There's a lot of No, I'm not. I don't want probably [clears throat] walking. You do this a lot better. This is like This is like >> So, Father, we just thank you for wisdom. We've already prayed earlier, so
we know there's a lot on the agenda for senior housing. So, we thank you that there's going to be development for that to help those in need and also for uh demolition approvals and stuff that's on the ordinance and develop redevelopment
and land development codes and all the things for the property taxes and and we just know that we could ask and believe and work together as a team to come up for the best things for the city and the community. So, I just want to
give you thanks because this is what it is about. Thanksgiving. Thank you for everything that we have that we could do and use our gifts and talents for the better for each other. In Jesus name I pray. Amen. >> To the flag of the United States of
America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Madam cler roll, please. >> Mayor John Cooper >> here. >> Vice Mayor Chris Mayer >> here.
>> Councilman Robert Hubard >> here. >> Councilwoman Lisa Burke >> here. >> Councilwoman Christine Sullivan >> here. >> City Attorney Nancy Meyer >> here. >> City Manager Andrew Butterfield >> here. >> Thank you. First up, we got two sets of amendments to approve. So, first I need
the October 14th, 2025 city council meeting minutes. If I get a motion to approve. >> So move. >> Second. >> The motion second. Any further discussion? All in favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> I. >> Oppose. >> I. >> Motion carries unanimously. Uh, next up
I need a motion to approve the October 21st, 2025 city council special meeting minutes. >> Motion to approve. >> Second. >> Motion second. Any further discussion? All in favor signify by saying I. >> I. Opposed. >> Motion carries. Uh, next up is comments
from the general public. I do have a couple signups. I'll start with Danny Fields. Welcome. >> Well, my name's Danny Fields. My address is 8114 Leo Kid. Again, I just want to thank you for all that you do for uh for the community working together for the
best. You know, there's a lot of things that that somebody cares does with the organizations around with the faith-based church and the events that's coming up. And so on uh Thanksgiving, we're going to be uh giving some meals
out for those that are shutins for the seniors around here that need field uh food to delivered. So the church is going to do that in the community. So we got uh a list here in Port Richie and surrounding areas of people to go serve and spend some time with them. you know,
there'll be uh widows, there will be uh you know, retired uh people that served in the military. So, we get a chance to be able to to honor them for their service and all they do. And that and that would uh be any citizens. That could be law enforcement, firefighters,
it could just be your your mom, your pop, your, you know, your aunt and uncle or cousin. So, I just wanted to say that on November the 27th, we'll be doing that. we'll be launching out at the Oasis to deliver them meals. There's going to be a bunch of them all around.
So, that was good. Another thing we got coming up is what we're working on on December, but we know on December the 5th here, we're having movie night, showing that here at the city. Correct. That's correct. >> And so, I'll be a part of uh that. I hope all of you could show up and bring
your family. It's a good time to promote and work together in the community. And then on December the 6th, we'll be having Christmas in the park. Uh, and somebody cares and uh, the businesses was partnering with the city to make that a great event. We'll have the
police, the fire department, toys be given out and vendors. So, we thank you that the vendors are there and that we could all work together as a team to do that public relationship to be able to share and and decorate and and then we know on December the 7th, you guys are
doing that event, too. when we're uh helping out by cutting the cost down, by setting up a tent and bringing chairs and stuff like that. See, that's when we come together as a people for the best for the community, for each other where I always say it's a good place to live,
to work, to play, and to work together and come together uh in any times and good times or bad. And you know, if we look at it this year, we've dodged a lot. We ain't had no storms. So that that's part of being able to keep that cost down. But thank God that you guys
is all ready for anything that comes at you. So I just want to to say that and then for time sake uh I do know that you guys has got stuff with the citizens advisory committee, you know, to sponsor a teacher. Uh you know that that's good
because they they got needs for the community as well. So, that's something that I'm going to bring to aware to the faith-based church and organizations around and try to get people to give some of the stuff that's on this list that we need, you know, and there's a list of stuff that's probably already on
your guys' website and we could share and post that as well to get them teachers to have what they need in this area and any surrounding area. So, thank you and for all that you do. >> Thank you, Dan. Uh, next up, I have Frank Growali. Welcome,
Good evening. Um, mayor, city council, thanks for having me. I won't take a lot of your time, but I want to introduce myself. Frank Grimmaldi, uh, Treadway Drive Property. I represent Cody River Inlet LLC, which owns a former Seaside property between Hooters and Gild Dogs.
And we appreciate everything you guys do out there for for the community and the waterfront district. Um the businesses need it, the community needs it, and uh we do appreciate your support and and I'm there if you need anything. Um we've got a lot of positive plans with
development down there. They're going to be coming out in the future that we'll be talking about shortly. And uh the waterfront district needs some continuity, needs some some help. some of the roads down there on Treadway. Uh
we're running into problems with potholes and it's it's dark. We have customers that come out of our our uh businesses down there and it's hard to walk around. Um so we need some
sidewalks. If you could please think about maybe putting something like that on the agenda. Uh work on sidewalks, some lighting. It's very very dark in the waterfront district. people want to walk with their families after dinner and and go to the other businesses, but
if it's not safe, you know, they they don't feel comfortable to do that and it's dark. Um uh as far as I I won't take a lot of your time because I you guys have some real important things to do, but we need uh some type of lighting on the post
street poles down there. And I know we already have uh polls. I don't know if there's any type of decorative uh holiday festive lighting that the city has that they ever put up on polls. Um
it it enhances the neighborhood and community and if you consider something like that to to help on the waterfront district um it would be much appreciated and we're there to support it as well in anything you do. Thank you. >> Thanks Frank. Appreciate that. >> Appreciate you guys. Thanks.
Um just on that is is it uh Darl is it possible to go down there and take a look and see if I mean obviously pil work we could probably fill relatively quickly on some of that stuff if we could at least try to patch it up until obviously when some of this development happens we can get a better sense of what's going to happen down there but we
probably make good effort to try to keep things safe for sure. So, okay, that's all signups I have. By show hands, anybody else I can speak? Devin, welcome. [clears throat] >> Devin Aaron, 5414 Bay Boulevard. I um I
con my neighbor Allan into who I love, by the way. He's a great gentleman. um to draw up some, you know, just some plans for Brasher Park cuz a lot of the other parks, you know, we want to do stuff with, you know, we brought these people in from the Florida League of Cities, but they don't even know what
our FCT, you know, constrictions are and things like that, restrictions are. Um, and it, you know, kind of listening to them talk, um, not really super impressed. And that's why I said, "Hey, you know, Allan, can you please maybe draw something up?" and he goes there
every morning to, you know, walk his dog and he picks up trash there and he's been in the neighborhood forever. His, matter of fact, his house was built by the Brashers. Um, so I mean, he's, you know, this is this this guy's been around forever. Um, and, uh, you know,
he's he's in his 70s at this point and, um, super nice gentleman. He he drew, you know, and designed, you know, a lot of the nicer homes in here. About half of the homes in Harbor Point. um not your house but uh you know but uh a lot of them but anyways um he he came up
with a with a drawing for free no big deal takes a lot of time to do that and it's and it's it's thought out he met with Tony um you know about it and Veronica um I'm not sure if Daryl was there talking about that but um but uh
um I'd really like to see something done with that park and the idea behind it for me is you know we would we would get some kind of an outlook up top, you know, up high and give the million-doll view that the people at Harbor Point have to the regular people. That's
that's kind of the idea there. Um because that that road that goes all the way out there, I think Coons Road, I believe it is. Um Road goes all the way out there. That's why it goes all the way out there. It goes out there because you're in the you're in the water. And now you go, you know, 30 40
feet up in the air and you can actually see it in observation deck. It is gorgeous. I mean, it is like a million dollar view out there. So, to be able to do that and maybe put, I don't know, 1.2 into Brasher Park, something like that. I mean, we got I think it's $4 or5
million in CRA that we've been stockpiling. You know what I mean? We need to spend that money. We need to deploy that money. And um and before we uh start, you know, spending money on bigger projects like waterfront and stuff, we need to actually know what our restrictions are and all that. Um, and I
think that Brasher is a good starting point and then probably um, you know, Nick Knicks and then, you know, and then we can go on to some of these bigger things, but we got to start smaller and and then go bigger and actually have our ducks in a row. But this is kind of like what I'm interested in right now and and
I'm sort of on the war path for this because this is something that the city needs. I mean, our parks are in jeopardy and uh, they're in shambles and um, you know, it's it's ridiculous. So, we need to spend some money on it and CRA is where it's from, where it should be from. And Matt Cppler told me that that's what we should do with the money
before we left. Thank you. >> Thanks, Deon. Um, just as an update, he's not here, but Z, do you know when when Tampa Bay Regional Plan Commission is supposed to be getting those plans back? >> January. We're we're aiming for January for their presentation. >> Okay, perfect. So they're they're
collecting they took everyone's input from the open house um which included Allan and um basically we're going to have a presentation for council and then make make some final decisions at at that at that meeting and then that way they'll produce a final product uh the concept we'll be able to use to go out
to you know start designing you know engineering and start building. >> Good okay helps in the way. So anybody else like to speak? Okay seeing none to bring back two comments from the city manager I passes Mr. better feel for his comments. >> All right. Thanks, Mr. Mayor. Um, we got
a full agenda as you know, so I'll try to keep it brief. Uh, but, uh, some highlights tonight, voting on the Live Local Act. Uh, I wanted to update you that the solicitation for law firms become the city attorney, uh, closes for December. And, uh, our city planner,
Tammy Brena, is here tonight. She's going to update us on the, uh, assisted living facilities parking ordinance changes. And uh just uh we just got something uh in the last few days from the county. There's a need to draft a new interlocal agreement with the county
regarding solid waste and um so the to meet the current timeline for bond closing the county is requesting our staff review of the ILA the old one from the 80s and for us to confirm to us our intended recommendation to uh council by
the end of uh day on the 12th of December in in advance of the January council meeting which they'll want to uh want to uh have some clarity on. So on 9 December um they're going to come and brief us on what they're asking for us and I'll be able to brief that night on
uh how we're doing on coordinating with the county on the new alley. It's kind of important because I mean it it's obviously important. It's uh uh the county uh is the over us as far as solid waste. They they've got the capacity and capability to manage that.
Um, and then there was a workshop scheduled this week, but we're looking to reschedule it in January sometime some more to follow on that. And that's all for now. Thanks. Thank you. Okay. Next up is comments from boards and committees. Are there any
boards committee comments besides? Okay. I'll give you a quick event committee. We met uh yesterday and we obviously are planning for the Christmas event on the December 5th, 6th and 7th. Um December 5th is going to be here at
city hall. We're going to have the uh uh story time with myself to the kids and also play the Grinch movie and um we're going to have uh some food vendors out in the parking lot. We'll the kids will be in in council chambers to watch the the movie and that. But there'll be stuff out. We're going to have the
lighting up at the city hall. Um, we got bids from from several different vendors for lighting up city hall and a tree over here is anywhere from $5,900 to $10,000. So, uh, the committee decided to go ahead and authorize the spend of out of our budget of $1,000 in by lights
and we'll basically the committee will work with staff. We we'll try to decorate the best we can city hall. Uh, I did speak with Walmart today and got commitment they're going to give us a 50% discount on the lights. Um, and I also spoke with Lowe's, um, because we want to put a a inflatable Grinch out
front. Um, and then possibly do some kind of LED tree associated with the, uh, um, the lamp or the clock tower out there. Um, and there's a 9 foot um, LED tree that uh, so that and inflatable grants are going to try to get those and
donate those to the city at no charge. And then we'll we'll thank them in a in a sign or whatever saying, you know, donated by by Lowe's and obviously Walmart as well. So, we got some community help with that. So, we should be able to get city hall lit up and looking nice and and have that event
kick off uh relatively inexpensive. Um, and obviously just remind the public. So, the after that Friday night event Saturday all day in the park will be vendors. We did have a insurance uh issue where um our insurance won't cover
individual tents. Um, so you know, mama and pops out there, they're selling cups or woodcrafts or whatever, unless they have a certificate of insurance to to pass along. Um, can't do that. Um, so the chamber, Ronald McDonald, the chamber um is going to uh put that under
his master COI for the events. So that will take care of that issue. So hopefully we can have some more vendors. We had a lot probably 10 or more turned down because they just didn't have the insurance to be able to come do that. So uh that was going to be detrimental. We do have several food vendors. I think 10 plus that are going to be there over the
weekend. Um and so we're hoping to actually have some some market stuff as well. So that's uh that's coming along. Um and then of course Sunday is the close of that and there's going to be a concert um out there from 4:00 to 7:00 and it's the if you can help me Lisa the name of the band Rocky Boven Band. Thank you.
>> Um so please keep that on your calendar. Come out. Um obviously Saturday is the Newport Richie boat parade. Um, we're going to close down the park at 5 for our event so that people can go and watch the boat parade and we'll open it back up on Sunday I think at noon. So that's the update from event committee.
So if you all want to come out obviously for the 5th um we'll light up city hall and take part in that. So let me get some food. That's all I had. So any other boards committees before we move on? Okay. Next up is our consent agenda. Looking for a motion for the November
25th, 2025 consent agenda. So move Move to approve. >> Move to approve the consent agenda as presented. >> Okay. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Have a motion to second. Any further discussion? Any public comment? Seeing none put to vote. All in favor signify by saying I.
>> I. Opposed. >> Motion carries. Um, next up is council business. Item number three, first reading of ordinance number 25-737, land development code amendment, definitions for special needs and senior housing uses and off- streetet parking requirements. Um, I'll pass it over to
Nancy for the reading. >> Thank you. Ordinance number 25737, an ordinance of the city of Port Richie, Florida, amending the lean development code amending section 101-11 definitions to add definitions for assisted living facility, an independent senior living, and to revise definitions for community
residential home, group home, and nursing or convolescent home. Amending section 127-94 off- streetet parking to update and reduce the minimum parking requirements for residential care and housing facilities. providing for conflicts, severability, codification, and an effective date.
>> Okay, thank you. And then I guess we have a presentation. Welcome our planner. Tammy. >> Good evening. Tammy Verona, Verona Consulting Safety Harbor. I serve as your on call city planner and I'm here tonight to discuss um the changes that we're proposing to the land development code and this is a first reading public
hearing. So upon review of the code, um we saw that some of the provisions in the code were um somewhat out of date or archaic. So this effort is to modernize the definitions within the land development code to address spe special needs
housing and senior housing uses. This would align uh with Florida statute who reflects the same types of terminology within uh Florida law. And then also to look at the parking standards, the off- streetet parking standards for special
needs housing um to conform those with it, which is the um inter I always forget this international traffic engineers I believe uh data and also standards that are adopted in other communities. And then lastly to support housing diversity within the community
and also um to address community resiliency. And also I want to bring uh to your attention is that this um came to uh a property owner came to us by virtue of their agent which is uh best care senior living at 5905 Pineh Hill
Road and their agent is um Ortiz Planning Solution. Patricia Ortiz is here in the audience with us tonight. they came forward looking at what type of parking requirements would be um required for a nursing facility uh for me memory care actually and when we
looked at the provisions that's when it brought to our attention that these things were somewhat out of date and the parking standards were ownorous. So, we're addressing two different sections of the code. Section 101-11 definitions, and that would be to add or
revise terms that are related to residential care and senior housing types. And then secondly, uh section 127-94 off- streetet parking to update those parking re ratios for those same types of facilities.
So, the first one is uh new definitions. So, we added a definition for assisted living facility. um congregate care facility and independent senior living. Um in those cases they those were not in the code. We had only one code that was
related to let's see if I have it pulled up here real fast to remember what it's called. [laughter] It was called care home or convolescent home. So that is not a term that's used in state law anymore. So we did away with that and and added these
definitions to support that uh in addition to the independent senior living. And then we revised definitions for community residential home, group home and nursing home skilled nursing facility. For the off- streetet parking standards,
uh we added there was only the one standard for the care home or convolescent home. So we split those that apart and provided standards that are specific to these different types of uses because they have different parking generation needs. So assisted living and
this is we we we looked at the IT trip generation man or parking generation manual and also other community codes to calibrate and see what was standard. And this is what we came up with is the one uh parking space per two units or one
parking space per three beds depending on the type of licensing at that at that facility. There'd be a parking space for the staff on the largest shift and then one parking space per facility vehicle for community residential home and this
is uh what was termed for a group home. Um but this is now for those that are above six residents. six residents are allowed by right uh would not have any special parking standards but in this particular case these are for over six so it would be one space per four
residents and then one space per two staff uh that are non-residents of the home and then for independent senior living which I believe Abigail Court out on uh Washington and Pineh Hill Road is that type of a use um and they did ask
for a variance when they came for their development approval because the one unit per um one unit, one parking space per bed was more than what they really needed. In this case, you can see it's a 6 parking spaces per unit and then one
per staff on the largest shift. For nursing home skilled nursing facility, which is a specific type of licensing, it'd be one space per four beds, one space per staff on largest shift, and one space per facility vehicle. And for continuing care
retirement a community which could be a combination of any of those uses we would ask ask for um we would either calibr or um determine the standards based on the proportionate um uses on the site. So if you had nursing facility and assisted living we'd look at the
standards for both. Um, as an alternative, the applicant could come forward with a study to show us what they need, what they thought the need was, and we could look at that and re and uh the city manager could review that um if they thought it was reasonable.
So, the benefits of this ordinance are clarifying the definitions and eliminating redundancy so that when we get applications, we know what type of use that we're we're um referring to. We'll simplify those zoning interpretations for the site plan review
process. Reducing unnecessary paved areas which would improve with storm water drainage and also increase visual compatibility in surrounding uh residential areas and then support additional housing options within the community so those standards aren't so
ownorous that perhaps a business couldn't actually open because they they could not meet the requirements. And this just a little bit of background to give you a sense of what the need is for special needs housing in the city. So in 2020, you'll see at the top row is
the age 65 and over. Um as of the 2020 census, there was 941 persons age 65 or over. By 2045, that um that figure is almost double at 1417. On the bottom row is the disabled, the
persons with a disability within the city. And overall 22% of the population has reported to the Census Bureau that they have some form of disability. So uh for the public hearing process, we met with the planning and zoning board on November 12th and they recommended
approval of this unanimously. Uh we also had one member of the public, actually the agent for the property owner I mentioned before spoke and also spoke in support of the uh of the uh ordinance. Um, tonight we're having the first reading and the second reading is
scheduled for December 9th and those have been advertised. So, staff review, we find it consistent with Florida statute and also the city's comprehensive plan. Uh, the ordinance supports housing diversity, accessibility, and efficiency of land
use. It enhances administrative clarity, and there's no adverse neighborhood impacts as a result of this anticipated. [clears throat] So, with that, staff recommends approval, and this is a motion that you may use if you'd like to. Um, and with
that, I'm I'll open it to any questions that you have. >> Okay. Thanks, D. Any questions? >> Chris, this includes my elderly homes. Um, also recovery homes. >> It does not. Recovery homes is coming up
next. So, it's not in this category that we probably could have lumped those together, but the timing we did I didn't know about this coming forward. >> Clarify diversity in housing. >> Diversity in housing is like different types of housing. So, you might have smaller entry level housing for people
who are just getting started. They're forming their household. They want to start, you know, just getting going, >> right? Um like bread and butter starter house. >> Bread and butter starter house. Exactly. Very important. >> Got married, don't have any money, need a cheap house. >> Yes. Exactly. And those houses are also good for retirees. So if they're
downsizing, um you might have bigger houses for families. You might have um apartments for people who might be here on a shorter basis. Maybe they're just getting started and maybe they're trying out a job. So housing diversity is just that, having different housing types
within your community to allow choice, >> provide different needs. >> Choice. Yeah, exactly. Needs. >> So you're going to talk about the recovery. >> I won't be handling that. Nancy will >> on your agenda later. >> Yeah. >> Topic. >> You will be addressing that though. Yes.
>> Thanks for >> any questions. >> Thanks Danny. >> I I can't go back. So anyway, >> thank you. I'd move that we approve the ordinance number 25737 amend amending sections 101-11
and 127-94 of the land development code finding the amendments consistent with the comprehensive plan and applicable Florida statutes was a great motion thank you sir >> is there a second >> second >> okay any further discussion any public comment seeing none to vote all in favor
signify by saying I opposed motion carries Okay. Next up is item number four, the 8648 Green Street Demolition Appeal. I'll pass that to Mr. Butterfield for introduction. >> Yes, sir, Mr. Mayor. It's uh this
structure in question was u uh in August 2025, the structure was deemed a slum in life for the second time. The owners, I believe, are here tonight have requested extra time to rehab the structure. It's been vacant since October of 2024 and it's been in great disrepair for a
substantial amount of time with no apparent maintenance or upkeep. The structure as it is poses the risk to the health and safety of the public due to the result of decay, deterioration, and dilapidation. And uh I've got our building official here also if you have any questions for him. >> Okay. So, this is a quasi judicial uh
hearing. Um so, I'll pass it over to our attorney to explain that quasi judicial process. >> Yes, thank you. This is a quasi judicial hearing. So um what this process will be is the city council is going to act in a quasi judicial pro qu quasi judicial um capacity instead of a legislative
capacity at the quasi judicial hearing the council's function um is not to make law rather it's going to be appli that's already established in the quasi judicial hearing council will be required to make will be let me start over in the quasi judicial hearing the council is required by law to make
finding a fact based upon the evidence presented at the hearing and apply those fact finding a fact to previously established criteria contained in the city's code of ordinances in order to make a legal decision regarding the application before it. The council may only consider evidence that the hearing the law considers competent, substantial, and relevant to the issues.
If competent, substantial, and relevant evidence of the hearing demonstrates the applicant has met the criteria established in the city's code of ordinances, the council's required by law to find in favor of the applicant. By the same token, if the competent substantial and relevant evidence that the hearing demonstrates the applicant failed to meet the criteria established,
then the council is required by law to find against the applicant. Um, and in this case, the applicant's actually the appellant. Um, just so we don't have any confusion later. I should have uh modified that word in my presentation. At this point, I would ask if any member of council has had any expporte communications with the appellant regarding this particular appeal.
Hearing none, I will then ask the members of council if any of you have a conflict of interest with the um application for the appeal that's before you today. Okay. Hearing none, anyone that's going to provide testimony needs to stand and be sworn by the clerk. That includes the building official and anybody on behalf of the appellant stand
right hand you swear and affirm that the testimony, the whole truth, nothing but the truth. >> Thank you. Lastly, I'll just remind council to um it's tempting the computers in front of us not to look up anything extra. Um looks like the applicant is here to
present his case and the building official will provide you with information. You can ask questions of both of them and that's what your um decision should be based on. So with that, I will turn it back over to you. >> So I'll step us through the process. So the first uh first item of the process is the property owner is able to present their appeal. So I'd like to invite the
the applicant to come to the podium, state your name and address for the record and please present your appeal. >> [snorts] >> He had a gardener. He wasn't doing a good job. He was doing all three houses in a row and we paid him. Big Nichols a neighbor. And so I can see why it got
looking so bad. And we got a massive tree in the backyard. That last hurricane it started leaning. The tree the trunk is as big as a subcompact. Guy I bought the house from he bought the tree. It's some kind of rare tree
and now it fell over and it did a lot of damage. But I've had everything removed from the tree except for the trunk. I'm hoping I can find someone that wants the a sawmill that wants to buy the trunk or I'll give it to them instead of cutting it up. >> If you just state your name and address
for the record. >> Joseph Doric, 8648 Green Street. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Port Richie. I've lived there since 1979. And a couple of years ago the when that tree fell the people called us and they
didn't say that it pierced the house. So in three places it pierced the tile roof. So in in we removed the tile roof and repaired the roof. Got an engineering study and I put a 26 gauge metal roof galvaloom.
It was costly. the holdings has a value about 44,000 and so I really can't have the house destroyed like and so I saw how bad the yard looked and Cheryl's yard looks bad next door um
>> but inside the house the the house was built in the 50s and it's chiprock 18inch giprock pieces 3 ft long 2 ft long and then there's a brown coat here's how thick the brown coat >> [snorts]
>> And then on top of that is a white um lime coat. And so there is, you can see there's no mold. And with my house, I had the front door done well and the garage door done well, but the backyard door wasn't done well. So we got very little water in the house. I don't know.
You can't even tell how much water we got. But I had the >> I had the rugs removed right away. And last year I got sick after we did the roof. I got something I was fat and uh I got something wrong with my intestines
and gallbladder and kidney and so I'm a Christian [clears throat] so I didn't so I was resolved myself I'm going to die and for 3 weeks I didn't move and then after that I went to the bathroom and then once every week for the next five weeks I went to the
bathroom on a commode and then I've changed my diet now I'm vegetarian and in a couple of days I'm going to finished my 79th year, so I'm coming into 80, so maybe it's time to fix up everything. I And uh I own the two lots
down the street. I was going to build on them back in the 70s cuz I had my I was raising my children and it never had never built on them. But I let everyone use my lots to store all their [clears throat] branches. So the city only has to pick up one place for the
whole Green Street. And uh so that was looking rough when we got there, but we've cleaned >> but the house inside. >> Yeah, there is no mold. >> There's no mold inside. >> And the fans have been running since the rugs were removed. And I'll get some UV lights.
>> The reason the reason it looks bad, >> oh, I'm sorry. What? She had her hand up. >> I'm see her hand up. >> [laughter] >> did. Absolutely. Absolutely. >> Let me finish. >> Properly speaking, >> but we we'd been working in contact with
Patrick Doyle >> and I'd been [clears throat] doing therapy in the swimming pool twice a day for an hour each day time and I was getting better and better and now I'm walking. It's a miracle of miracle of miracles. And uh and Rick Nichols, that was the guy that was supposed to be
doing the lawn and I don't know why he didn't. We had paid him and uh so we just want a chance to fix up the house. You see already we got the yard looking good. A >> little bit bad >> but it was looking bad. >> But when they when you say
>> I'm sorry Anna Dwarak 8648 Green Street Port Richie Florida. >> Okay. Thank you. talk to them. >> And um >> here >> when they took the rugs out of the house, >> instead of doing it organized like move this and then take the rug out and move
it back, they just helter skeltered it all over. So it that's why it looks that's why it looks so bad cuz whoever was in there said the house wasn't suitable to live in. And >> I can agree with that part because we have to just put all the furniture back the way it was because
>> get rid of it. And because when they took the rugs out, they just made a complete mess of the house like through the furniture and our belongings and chairs and other things that we had. And uh when we had So that's why, but the
bedrooms look fine. The bathroom floor was clean. So was the the >> the water that came in was very clean. >> So our house there's no mold. If somebody wants to come in and see it, there's no mold on those. >> Come in a couple of weeks, you'll see. And if you want me to remove the gip
rock for the first six inches. So I have rough cut pine boards that I got. They're full 12 inch by inch and a quarter. I could rip them in half and put a nice big board around if that's what you require.
But I think if [clears throat] I just painted with kills and put new plastic baseboard. So I'm just asking you for a couple of months and you'll see how nice it'll be. Okay. Does that conclude your statement? >> Huh? >> Does that conclude your statement?
>> Oh, are you finished talking? >> Well, we're we're we're pleading that you give us a chance to to fix the house. >> Yeah. >> And now that he's able to walk, we will be hiring people to help us do that. And um we like you say, he's been there
since 1979. And we just we really like the area and we like the house. We just and that new roof. I mean the roof isn't even a year and a half old yet. >> Two years. >> Two years old. >> Very expensive roof. Triple underlay. The most expensive. >> And
>> so you'll see it's galooms. Beautiful. >> So once we just we'll start cleaning up inside, we'll start cleaning up outside which we we were doing that today >> as well. So, I'd really appreciate >> fix it up and if >> give work if you could work with us that
and see how we progress that we're not going to slack off on this because this is our home and >> because he was in bed for a year and a half >> that's why we couldn't come here after we just hired people >> and so we hired and they weren't good
enough a roof to take out the carpets. Patrick Doyle was working with us. So, we were really shocked when he told us that they're gonna >> Slum and Blake >> going to do slum and blate. So, that was pulled that >> Anyway,
>> and also to Rick Nichols was cutting the grass, but he wasn't he wasn't trimming. >> He was [laughter] him for a long time. >> I agree. It doesn't look good. and and and >> he was doing three hours in a row, >> but we have pictures from before where
pictures >> really >> and I keep the the land down the road to two lots is a beautiful park. >> Anyway, so basically we're just trying to >> If you could help Cheryl next door, her daughter has >> never never mind. That's nothing for
>> we're so basically we would like your help or your >> yeah just get an extension and you'll see >> give us some time and watch our progress. >> I was surprised all the houses are still here. I thought >> and there's not there is no structural damage to the house inside. We called uh
>> we called the engineer >> barrel from tent >> and they said well with water that few inches of water foot of water that doesn't do anything structurally >> because I know there wasn't that much water in the house because when I go
away I always take my my comforters and drape them over a door. And so when I looked at the comforter that was over the door it wasn't soaking wet on the bottom. So >> that's good. >> Okay. Thank you. So next next step in
the process is there's uh questions uh from the prop of the property owner by the building official. So I'll pass that to the building official for any questions he has. >> No questions. Okay. Next is questions of the property owner by council. So open up to city council if there's any questions from council. >> Are you living in this home now?
>> No. >> No. We're not living in the house. >> No. Well, because they told us that we can't we >> but they told us we can work on it and take our stuff out. >> Well, they said we could take our stuff out. So, we were waiting for doing any work to get your agreement that we can
do some work in the house. >> I haven't slept in or eaten in two days. I'm so worried about >> We're stressed out and I know we can fix it and I know it'll look good and I know once we fix it and everything's done to it that you will approve.
>> Chris. Yeah, I'm sorry. >> Yeah, >> nobody wants to lose their hopes for where they live. And >> this is overwhelming to me just to look at, you know, the amount of work that
needs to be done there and the condition of the pictures I'm looking at. I don't know what pictures I don't know what pictures you got because I know that one picture that we did see is when they took a picture of the uh living room dining room area. >> No, I see a picture of a tree that's
fallen. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Taped in the support above the window. See that? >> Okay. >> Right. >> Is that recent or was that from >> Yeah, that's the big tree. No, that's >> if I'm happy to let them >> Yeah, it's ethics the the what we're looking at up here
>> because part of the agenda. >> Yeah, this actually posted on the website, so they're out there. Maybe get didn't get a chance to see it, but here's the pictures. >> Yeah, that we when we finished the roof, >> we didn't we never when we finished the roof, we didn't finish. >> That's a sophet. We didn't put that back
up. And then um and >> concrete lentil above the window that's completely broken in half. It's a structural. >> If you want to tell me what page you're looking at, I can show you. >> It's a It's a picture. >> Let me get back to my picture. >> It should be the page I'm running.
>> No, just the corner of it here. >> Okay. >> Oh, actually page number has a picture. >> I didn't see that window >> right here. Right. >> Was it the second set, Chris? I think
is uh I'm on page 143. >> This is the >> Yeah. 140. >> Yeah. Here. >> And it shows a lentil from a header from a tree that has fallen on the house. >> It's past that area. >> So, we'll
>> She's got it. We'll fix that >> right >> there. That one. >> It's 143 >> right there. >> There's a few. >> There's some more. There's some more where you show the block is corrupted and and broken on the side of the window, >> right? We'll get a we'll get a brick
layer of masonary and we'll re reform that and report. >> Here's all I'm trying to say. This is overwhelming for me to look at. I'm a very skilled, talented guy. >> Okay. >> And >> Okay, here I see it. Okay.
>> I'm trying to put myself in your shoes right now and and I'm I'm having a hard time visualizing being able to accomplish the work that needs to be done here. And >> we'll hire somebody to to re we'll reform it and report and hopefully we
can salvage the rebar in there. Put put rebar in >> because no there's been no water coming into the house and >> the roof's the roof's not leaking anymore >> and the roof's not leaking. I >> I can see where the gin was and listen I'm not I'm not going against you guys,
right? Please don't think that, okay? I'm just trying to make some good decisions here. you know, envisioning that one day I'm going to be standing where you are looking back at one of my houses and I'm be looking at the same situation. This is overwhelming. What are your goals? Can I ask you that? >> That's the this where the damage you
see. That's the Florida room. Anyway, that's a built on with a flat roof on top. You can see part of the tree here, but the tree is gone exceptone >> except for the stump. All that has been removed and the the
roofer was there and he's I think he did >> well. No, he he's took the we took the tree and this >> the tree is gone >> and those windows have been replaced. >> Well, not yet because they didn't tell us that we could do anything to it yesterday. >> Yeah, he told us we couldn't do anything
>> until we could and the guys told quotes see that sign out front and they say, "Well, once you get that sign done and we can do work, then we'll give you a quote." the section that they're pointing out with the concrete linel that you probably agree with me. I've built several houses that whole roof completely frame and everything needs to
come off for that. You can't just patch the roof. Any roofer would get up on top of that to do that is strange to me. That's a steel and concrete lin over the windows for support. It's like over over the doors. So, [clears throat] >> well, that whole that whole roof has to
come off if you don't want to use >> that's a new roof to be demoed. >> The ceiling is off. We took the ceiling off because we he wouldn't the inspector wouldn't let us put 2 by sixes. So what we did is we doubled up each 2x4. So the whole ceiling is off. So it'd be easy to just lift the roof up a little bit to
work there. >> An old roof like that won't just lift up. >> Huh? >> An old roof like that isn't going to just lift up. >> It's not easy to lift up. >> No, but I >> but basically >> I used to have a house wrecking business so I know what you're saying. But it is
possible to lift it. At the end of the day, a skilled craftsman could easily go in there and fix this stuff, >> right? >> We'll get one. >> That's not even where I'm going right now. >> Okay. >> You We're looking at a small thing here. And we got a whole bigger picture. What do you guys plan on building this house?
>> I think >> you want to live in it. >> Well, I don't know. I don't know. We're getting old. >> So, you're not living in another home permanently right now or >> I'm coming into my 80th year. So, >> I I have the conversation. We would like to repair the house and, you know, get it back in order the way it should be
and the way we and the neighbor >> and never mind the neighbor and uh >> he really wants to buy it. >> He's an executive from Hilton Hotels and he wants to buy it for his daughter-in-law, but >> but anyway, >> his wife is very nice. >> But in the meantime, we've removed the
trees in the back. I didn't I have until now I haven't seen these pictures and um and I believe that with my husband's expertise we'll get somebody himself >> and he [snorts] has and we can give you
the specs like what kind of concrete we're pour if you want a steel lentil >> we can put a steel one in >> building department things that's not really our department trying to make a decision it's come to the point where
>> we're a year plus past the storm, you know, >> city has a job to do to >> the blighted properties and looking at these pictures here, you're like, "Wow, this one's definitely not been taken care of." >> Well, >> you know, and I understand the agent thing. I'm sorry, Anna. I'm sorry.
Forgive me. I'm just I'm trying to Have you talked this through with any other family members? Have you all thought about that? >> This just >> It's just you two. That's it. There's nobody else helping you at all in the family. my cousins my cousins would come down but yeah they're we're Polish so
we're good hardworking people and uh >> but I would just get somebody to reform that or else I'll go to the building part see if I can put a steel lentil in >> steel lentle might be the easiest route to go >> if I can ask a question you you'd mentioned um that you had I think it was
barrel engineering that came out >> engineering yes >> was there a a report that you have you could submit to council to here. >> They only they only knew that there was flooding. They we didn't know about this. >> So So you don't have anything from the engineer basically at the stadium.
>> Well, we were >> see when when we had to redo the roof, the inspector wanted a barrel wanted us to get an engineer. So finally we found barrel cuz all the other ones wanted 5,000. >> Okay, never mind. What? >> And he came and he said there's nothing wrong with the roof that normal roofers
don't handle. >> And so we have that report. But if but we [clears throat] would call Burl again and let them have a look at this and see what they suggest. >> Okay. Um any questions for council? >> Well, I have a couple questions. Did you get a claim from your insurance company?
Was it insured? >> No. No. >> Didn't have any interest. You self-insured. Did you you said you had someone interested in purchasing the house and the property? >> Sure. I don't know if he's still interested. I haven't spoken with him in a while. >> We would like to get it fixed first. Well,
he I mean it might be worth him >> purchasing the property so you can maybe live somewhere else. Uh I mean I don't know what he's offering for not really in my business but I mean there's there's options out there, >> right? >> This is major >> this is a major malfunction.
>> Okay, but this is one corner of a Florida room. >> Major malfunction in that corner. >> Bedrooms are fine. The dining room, living room is fine. The bathroom is fine. The front hall is fine. That is the only corner. >> It's only 12 ft wide. So that's a problem. >> So there's not much weight laying on
that lentil. >> The [clears throat] u there's there's another picture um that shows a inside picture of the roof. That's actually the >> that's the damage before. >> Yeah. We never before we when we finished the roof, we went for a little vacation and that's when I got sick.
>> Yeah. We knew that we were in the process of taking down cuz we wanted to put a different ceiling up in that Florida room and like you said you say it's a small room >> and um that's why it looks like that is because we didn't finish it.
>> I wanted to take >> the roof off completely and put 2 by sixes in and these are 24 in centers these 2x4s. So this was silly design because when you're on a roof it bounces where so now each of these is doubled
up. Some of them are tripled up the full 12 ft. And so because the engineer wouldn't let us go to 2 by sixes. He made us stay with 2x4s. Not the engineer though. >> The inspector. >> Inspector.
>> Okay. Any other questions from council? >> Okay. See the next step in the process is uh the building official to present facts and evidence in support of the order of demolish and I'll pass it to Billy official. >> Okay. Can you make us a copy of them and
I'll send it to Burl. Okay. >> We would just back. >> Can I still speak? >> Sure. Quick. >> We would just like the opportunity to be able to >> to work with you. to work with you or have you work with us so that we can fix
that part of the of the roof that that we just saw which is like I say it's a small part of the house the rest of the house is fine >> you know so I >> I think a steel lentil would be the the route to take because it's a lot easier
>> yeah and the opportunity that the bill official basically tell us um the facts and evidence in support of the order so we need to hear that to hear what what his side is. >> Please state your name. >> Tony Bryant. >> And you're the building official for the city of Port Richie?
>> Yes, I am. >> How long have you been the building official for Port Richie? >> Uh, a year and two months. >> How long have you been a building official? >> Since 1997. >> Okay. on August 14th, 2025, did did you issue a slum and blight notice which be
found in pages 889 of the packet and the agenda um 48648 Green Street? >> Yes, I did. >> Can you um explain to council um I know on page 89 of the agenda packet there is a a sheet that is has highlights on it. Could you go through that and explain to
council the reasons you've um have determined that 8648 Green Street um should be um put on the slum and blight notification list. >> As far as with the slum and blight, you have seven comments. You have to meet at
least one to become slum and blight. The first one is the structure or portion thereof has been extremely damaged by fire, flood, wind or natural phenomenon such as the building or structure is substantially destroyed or poses an
immediate and manifest danger to the life, health, and safety to the general public or which it does because we've got water. We've got a road and barrier violation. We have a tree that went through the roof that's broken ls. So,
the building is structurally unsafe. >> I didn't go through the roof. >> Number two, the structure is unsanitary or is so utterly fails to provide the amenities essential to decent living that is manifestly unfit for human
habitation or is likely to cause sickness or disease or injury to the life, health, and safety of the general public or occupant. Got a house that has been flooded, been sitting for over a year. Got a hole in
the roof. We've got the damage there. It might have plaster, but I can tell you right now, if you pull the plaster away, you're going to find mold because mold will grow on 2x4s. Number three, the structure or a portion thereof due to decay, deterioration, or
dilapidation is likely to fall or fully or partially collapse. You've got the whole back section of this house that is caving in. So, it could fall at any time. Number four, the conditions of the structure or a portion thereof poses an
imminent threat to life or property by fire or other causes. The building can collapse, so nobody can live in the house. Number five is for the site to be cleared. That has nothing to do with it. Number six, there is a serious or substantial falling away. there's
nothing falling away from the house. Number seven, the structural parts have become so dilapidated, decayed or deteriorated, or there is an unusual sagging or leaning out of plum [snorts] of the building or any part thereof
caused by deterioration or overstressing of the structure or structural parts that the structure is manifestally unsafe. If we've got a 12 foot room with 2x4s for rafters 24 inches on center, they're over span. So that could be an
im imminent danger at any time. Minimum is going to be a 2x6. And for an inspector to tell them that it's a 2x4 is all you can do, it doesn't work. So I don't know who the inspector was, but that's the extent of it. But this is
the letter and those five items are what I have found. Could you go through the photographs [snorts] that are contained in the agenda? Um there's a a set of photographs um that are page number 90 to page number 97 that were taken when the slum and blight notice was issued. Do any of those um seven pictures help
you show council how those five criteria have been met? >> Yes. >> Can you explain that? Tell them tell them what page >> number 92 >> is one part of it where you can see there's the opening up in the roof up in the top corner very back edge there. You see the sun shining through the sophet
where there is no sophet besides the debris that's through there. And if you look at the window sill, right at the window sill, you see dirt, debris from flooding back there. So that's 3 ft of water.
>> You mean deep? >> Any other inches in the house? >> Number 93. It's just it's debris slung everywhere. That's our goods. >> That's how they That's how they
>> because 94 you've got the hole in the roof. That means it said one time this roof has leaked had water in it. Drywall on the ceiling is paperback. Mold loves paper. >> That's not drywall. That's just
>> sir. I give that's from when the tree originated. >> 95 is the same picture. 96 is just another area within the back room. 97 is the same picture. >> Now, when you look at this four,
>> looking at the second grant letter, [snorts] pages 129 through 146 of the agenda, which I was taken on November 18th um of 2025. >> Can you look through those and direct counsel to any of the photographs, anything in those photographs that help support the five conditions that you
have determined that this house has met for demolition? Yeah, 134 shows the sophet everything is missing there which is a road barrier violation. So that means anything rodent wise squirrel raccoon rat can get in build a
nest that becomes unhabitable. Number 35 shows the tree that was laying on the roof. It also shows the block wall that's busted all out. the ll that's partially collapsed with all of the sophet fascia missing.
36 shows more sophet and fascia that's missing all across the back which is the road and barrier violation and also shows the window that's down on the back side that's been busted out. Uh 37 is the same picture.
38 is just an up close of the window. We're showing a little across and the block the block is all blown out. The windows are open. The house is unsafe and it's not secured for people to be just wandering in and out.
[snorts] Uh 39 shows the tree that caused the damage and probably busted all of this block work up. And then the other picture on 40 is just showing the tree trunk that was over the house that's laying on the ground. And if you look at the sill below that window, you
can see where the sill itself, the block has been split and cracked because there's not going to be a seam there. And it's you can see that it's traveled down. 141 showing some of the roof material and a lot of debris that's piled up on the side. still has sopet material
that's missing. [snorts] >> That was >> and then picture 140 is showing or 140 looks like two 142 is showing the sophet. It's showing the roof that's been partially collapsed on the corners
with the sophet over the fascia board hanging down. 143 is showing the back. It shows where the tree laid across the back of the house now. And there's this window that's to the left is where the crack is
on the far side of it. And then we also have the lil over the porch area that is all shattered along with everything being opened up. And then there's the lint over top of the other window in one page 144. And you can see the stairstepping cracks and
cracking of the block all the way down the wall next to the window. 145 shows the end of the tree that was laying across the roof and has buckled the fascia. So, more than likely the double roof has been damaged and 146 is
just showing more sophet and fascia that's missing and it's a violation. Is there anything that you've heard today from the um opponents that changes your opinion um that the home structure at 8648 Green Street um
should be demolished? >> No, >> that's all. >> Okay. Uh next step process is the the applicant has the opportunity to question the building official. You guys can ask any questions to the building official this time? >> Well, the See, we went for we finished the roof. We took the soft off all
around and you can see it's all 3/4 inch plywood that we put down. We took the old boards off that were because they were pine boards and we put three quarter inch plywood. So we went for a little holiday and I got sick and so that's why the sophet's not done but there's no damage to the metal roof to
the Florida roof. >> I'm just >> and what you call debris inside the house is [clears throat] because we were working on the because the roof was being worked on and having the metal roof put on. We had a lot of wood and everything still inside the Florida room
and all the tools and that's where we were working from. And that's why you think that's all >> debris. >> Debris. >> And we went away for a little holiday all day and I got sick. >> But that's not debris in there. That's all usable boards and things that were being used at the time. >> We'll work with you. Just give us a
chance. You'll see. Couple of months. We'll work with you every day. Because we didn't know it was that bad. Patrick Bill never told us that. He said every time we spoke to him, he said, "Oh, everything's fine. You'll be fine." >> You were shocked when we got this. But >> did you have any more questions for the
beneficial? >> Well, he's an engineer, right? >> Nope. >> Oh, you're not? >> I don't claim to be an engineer. I'm not licensed as an engineer. >> So, whatever. If we get barrel engineering,
you follow their [laughter] >> No. >> No. I don't >> I don't f I don't have there's nothing in state law says I have to follow an engineer's requirement. >> Okay. And then a lot of the the stuff that you see wasn't caused by the the
storm. It wasn't caused by damage by the tree. It's just that it's work that we just didn't finish after we put the roof on. >> Okay. So that house has been open like that for over a year. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, who knows what's in the attic
because it's been left open. >> Well, so far we haven't seen anything. Um, you're right. So, let's close it up and we'll catch whatever's in the attic, but there's no food there, so I don't think anything would live in the attic.
>> Maybe squirrels, but >> any any further questions? >> Any what? >> Further questions for the >> Give us a chance. Give us a couple of months. >> It's not a question. Appreciate the question. I mean, is it Do you have any specific questions? >> We just got here yesterday. We didn't
know the damage. >> We haven't assessed it all. We've been cleaning up the yard. >> Okay. >> And Patrick, nobody sent us these pictures. >> We never saw them. >> Okay. >> And we've had three people like Rick
Nichols has been mowing the grass, but apparently he doesn't do any um >> Well, he didn't. And then he's also been in the house and he has the one that opens the windows and leaves them open and I and there's fans going on in >> the whole time there's been fans on
>> fans going and he looks after that and so he comes in and he does he airs it out >> and opens the window and he comes back and he closes >> again and appreciate the the detail but this is a time to question a building
official with specific questions. If you had any questions, I we can proceed. If not, I need move on to councel. >> Well, other than >> we're just finding out about this. Let us take a good look at it and we'll work with you. >> You were notified August.
>> Yeah. >> This >> Yeah, he's been he's been in bed for >> I've only been walking two weeks now. >> I know. >> Okay. Thank you. Um next next step process is questions of the billing official by council. So, is there any questions for the building official by
council? Chris push the button for work. >> This is apparent. I just saw a letter from Buxy, Mississippi here. These people don't live here in this house. Is there a path for [clears throat] correction here that you know that you can think of? Is there
a reasonable path for correction here for this homeowner? Because it's not like they've been jerking us around and telling us they're going to do this and that and everything else. They just haven't done anything. He got sick. Is there a path for correction? >> I would say it's probably more money than they want to spend.
>> Oh, no. You don't owe us. >> So, it would require >> a lot of money >> written plan drawings. >> Yep. Because we have structural problems >> submitted. >> Yep. Is there would would would you be and this is my question to you. Would
you be okay if we gave them a brief window if they're saying they're going to make drop trial and start writing checks? You know, is there a path that you would say, "Hey, if you guys did this, I would be okay with this." Is there a path for that?
>> I would say that's up to you guys. and that we're we're we're looking to you for guidance on that because what we don't want to do is undermine your expertise, but we also want to make sure that if we have a homeowner that is willing because some of them aren't willing. You know, some of them are like
they'll tell you this and they'll just jerk us around like they >> have been. >> Well, they've been gone for you talking about other homeowners. Yes, sir. Like they have. Yes, sir. >> But we have to air on the side of >> conservativism. And I will tell you,
30 years I was a framer. >> Mhm. >> In this state, I know what it takes to fix things. >> Mhm. >> Besides being the building official for the years that I've been a building official, I know the cost. I know the money involved.
>> The catch is by time they put everything together, it's probably going to end up over 50%. Wow. And then they're either going to have to raise it, demo it, or move it. >> Yeah, I was actually just going to ask that question. Is this >> That's a great point brought up if you
guys aren't aware of that. >> But you're aware of what the 50% rule is. >> No. >> Okay. So, I want I I'll spend a minute to do this if I can. >> Thank you. >> Okay. When a house is damaged greater than 50% of its current market
value in the condition it's in, you can no longer fix that house where it is. You either have to demolish it or you have to raise it up. It's one of two choices. And based on the 50% rule I'm looking at, what Tonyy's looking at, you very possibly right now could have over
50% damage to your home. And that would put you in a category where you could not fix your home. damage is only to the Florida room. >> It's not nothing damaged to the main house. >> Well, yes. This is a question for the building official. So, and I'm trying to understand so when we make this
decision, I have to make it based on fact, you know, um >> you could read bill quick. >> Yes, sir. >> Can I follow up to that? >> Tony, is has this been substantially damaged determination or no? Where? >> That's what I'm trying to look now to see.
>> Okay. Go ahead, Chris. Um, you know, I I I'm I'm listening to what Tonyy's saying. I I don't hear Tony kicking his heels in the dirt right now saying this is has to happen. But but I don't know if you guys realize what you're getting into. >> Well, I was I'm a builder.
>> I I I understand. >> I used to build >> and and I'm a little bit younger than you are and sometimes I can't accomplish things I accomplished at one time, too. And that's not me being a smart rear end. That's me telling you I know what my limits are. Well, just give us some time to we'll work with them. >> We'll prove it to you.
>> Yeah. >> And if we can't prove it to you on your time limit that you would get us, then >> cuz you can buy prefab lentils, too. And just put it in and he'll see that every 2x4 is tripled. I put it in like that
cuz I didn't want and and it's only the room's only 12 ft wide. And so they're >> and that was a because the building inspector didn't want us to put 2 by sixes. >> I can get Christine real quick.
>> So >> according to the property appraisals property [clears throat] record card the assessed value is 1951 150 and at 50% you're looking at 80 something,000.
Is that correct? plus the 15%. [clears throat and cough] So basically it looks like it would have to be under $100,000 to fix the entire property. Is that correct? >> Florida room. >> I understand there's a lot going on with
that house. Um who can I ask questions? I can ask. Um Tony >> um in your opinion with what you've seen there the the repairs to this building would far
exceed the 100,000. >> I'll let you know in one second. >> Okay. At least I'm just missing I'm just missing a real timeline of this. It's just they just came back two days ago. I understand you went on vacation. You
were sick. But where's all that middle part? Where? Where? Since the hurricane hit, what happened? I'm missing the whole question to Tony. Correct. >> We hired people to take the rugs out and dry the whole place. Place been dry non-stop. >> Tony, there's a question about the
timeline. >> At least a question about the kind of the middle stuff. >> I'm missing the middle stuff. There was a hurricane and then two days ago they came in and saw all this damage. >> That's it. >> I I let me let me It's in [laughter] >> I don't see a timeline. It's in your in
your packet on page 89 of your agenda is the letter that went um out. Um it's 88 and 89 actually that went out >> 89 >> 88 and 89 was issued on August sorry yes August 5th 2025. It was sent to these
folks to let them know the building officials determination and telling them what the next steps are. >> Was it received or was it rejected returned? Not >> my my understanding. My understanding is one was was returned, the other was not. And I'll tell you ultimately it was
received because then you had a notice of appeal filed by these individuals, by these folks, and that's found in your uh um agenda packet on page 118 to 121. So they received notice, they asked for their appeal. Um and we're here today to give them that opportunity. So um I I
want to also just remind you and it's also in your packet that um this began back in 2023. This didn't start in 2025. So if you look in your agenda packet on page 105, you'll see a former slum and blight letter that was sent in 201 >> because of the tree.
>> Because of the tree. Yeah. >> This is not new. >> That tree is as big as a subcont um with the timeline council member. >> Well, a little bit. Yeah, because it was just um that there was damage when I didn't know it was 23. I mean, I missed
something in there. >> So, and then all I know is they have no idea and they show up two days later or, you know, two days ago and >> but that's a lot of time in the middle that that's unaccounted for, at least in my mind. >> So, like I mentioned, notice was
provided on August 5th, 2025 and I'm trying to find their appeal application in the package. So on the if I if while you're looking for that on the on the March 13th letter 2023 about the tree obviously was it was slum and blighted
then was it >> it was resolved and then it was unslum and blighted is that >> that's why we put the new metal roof on. We reshaved it all three layers of that expensive underlay and 26 gauge metal not 28 >> cuz normally process is slow and blight
happens and then an appeal happens and if appeal doesn't happen it it goes forward. I don't think anyone here knows exactly what happened in 2023 because neither of us were resolved. >> Okay. Can I say one thing? >> Sure. >> Miss Sullivan 106400
>> that's $100 a square foot which is half of what normally would be >> to repair >> in your opinion. >> Can we make sure that the microphones on these >> in your opinion of what the repairs will cost?
>> Yep. or exceed that >> which which is over 50%. Now, if they bring a contractor, this by looking at the numbers, it makes sense possibly could be under.
But as far as with what I would use, as far as what out of the seven visits with FEMA that we've done, that would be the numbers that I would use [clears throat] >> because I've stayed out of trouble with FEMA >> by using those numbers. >> Right.
this time frame to question the building official. If >> I got a question for the building, >> I tell you, if you guys have more questions for anybody else when we move to our council consideration, we can ask during that time. >> If you choose to open back up questions to the appellent, you can. If you
collectively decide, you can do that. It also just obviously allows the building official to ask questions of the appellent. It kind of opens the process. So if we could follow the process now we get back if we can open it back up we can do that. >> That's had a quick question. >> Go ahead. Go ahead.
>> Oh for Tony and Nancy as well. If we decided to allow Mr. Mrs. New York 30 or 60 days to get started on this project. If we approve it today, if someone gets hurt out there, someone's child, if that house catches on fire and burns up a
neighbor's house or anything, anybody gets hurt or sick from what's happened out there, are you responsible building official in the city? >> I'm not because I've already put it in some of but city could be. >> Like I'm always going to say you can
always be added to a lawsuit. doesn't mean it's going to go farther. Um, you're following your process. If you follow your process, you should be insulated from an ultimately adverse decision, but there's never a guarantee. >> Could I could I indemnify it?
>> There's not time for that. >> That's all. Any other questions for the bill official? Chris, >> Tony, if we gave him 90 days >> 90 >> If we gave him 90 days to have plans submitted in your office and approved
and it was under the 50% rule. Is that something that would work? >> That's your choice. >> Say yes or no because it's put to you guys, not to me. >> Can I ask a question, Tony?
Is that undermining your knowledge? >> Would that would you take that as undermining? >> No, ma'am. >> Okay. >> No, ma'am. >> I'm here to do my job and you guys are here to do yours. >> Okay. >> Any other questions, Chris?
>> I'm good. I'm need to hear from Tony. Thank you. Anyone else? >> If I may, I want to finish to make sure um Counciloman [snorts] Burke's question got answered about the the timeline and the dates. So, the um letter [snorts] um regarding the Slowman Blight was sent out on August 14th, 2025,
separate from the 2023 stuff that happened, August 14th, 2025. The letter was sent, the request for an appeal was signed um on September 16th, 2025. Um so, it was received within a few days
and now they're here. So, they they did know about it. Um, and as you've heard, nothing has been worked on. >> Well, we were told. >> So, yeah, basically my my concern was between the time this happened and I guess before in August before they
were notified. So, what happened in all that time? That's what my question was. >> We work with Patrick Doyle. >> But have you you know you t you said you talked Oh, I can't talk. I'm sorry. Um, >> they they talked with Pat. >> There's a procedure. So, >> talked with Mr. Doyle, the code
enforcement officer, he has sort of kept them in the loop of what's been going on. He has been told several times, we will be down this weekend and never showed up. [snorts] So, you can take it for that part of it.
>> He did say he got sick. So, >> he did say he got sick. That's understandable. Um, but that Yeah, I wanted to know how long. So, it seems like it's been a while. >> Yeah. Anything else? >> Is that time? >> One second. Sir,
>> any other questions for Billy Official? >> If we can open it up. >> Yeah, when I get that. Um Nancy, there's just as a point of clarification and process. I don't see any public comment. I know there's some public comment for this. Does that come after the decision by council or
>> um it's not you don't have to allow public comment in quasi judicial appeals, but if you'd like to allow it, you can allow it whenever you feel it's appropriate. >> Okay. So, I think that's I think probably this is the best time to have any public comment before we had the final summaries. Um, so that I'm gonna open up the floor for any public
comment. I do have one signed up. Brian Duke, welcome. If you guys could just move over so the public can speak. Good evening. Brian Duke, 8716 Green Street. Would like a little bit of latitude. Um I'm here as this evening to
discuss the two yellow tag houses on Green Street. Uh marked to be torn down. We all we've been talking about it. Uh, but on behalf of John Howard, who lives right next door to these folks, he sent me a text this afternoon and he wanted me to share that with you along with my
comments. So, here's what he said. Brian, please express to the city council of Port Richie what a mess this house has been since we have lived in at 8700 Green Street. The roof was exposed to the elements for many years. Was finally fixed in 2024. The city has this
on record. The backyard has been a nuisance for many years with overgrown grass, weeds, and trees creating wildlife nuisance. Our tabby cat, Charlie, recently killed a 12-in rat from the backyard. And we have m witnessed many raccoons and possums back
there. There's a hole underneath the left side of the house where animals were living. You can see the prints. Um, imagine the water filling up that cavity during the recent hurricane. During Hurricane Helen, which you all been talking about, a giant tree uh fell in the backyard onto the uh house, creating
a hole in the roof. This was never fixed. And for 15 months, the outside weather has been entering their house. Additionally, from Alen, water entered their house, and it was never repaired or cleaned. I drive up and down the street every day, and there was nothing coming in and out of that house. Um,
this is the best one. The stench coming from the house during the past summer was overwhelming. The front yard is overgrown as well. Neighbors have taken turns trying to mow the front yard. Since we have lived next door, the owners barely made an impact to the house. And since the hurricane, they have not taken any responsibility for
maintenance of the house. We as neighbors cannot continue to stand by and watch the house deteriorate further. After neglect, it is must be torn down. Thank you, John Howard, 8700 Green Street. my comments. Additionally, it's
come to my attention, and you can all look this up. I wish you would. The owners of this house have not had water usage since 1998. So, they don't live here. They come down and live in their car and do whatever they do. Uh, this house must be torn down. Additionally,
the house sitting right next to them at 8642, uh, the person who lived in the home has evacuated. And to my knowledge, this was a reverse mortgage situation and the bank is now the legal owner. I say this for this reason. Uh and this this home
has had no remediation or anything. As council knows, most of Green Street experienced substantial water intrusion except the two houses at the end, mine and my next door neighbors. I'm in the process of selling my home to move out
of Florida. When prospective buyers come down Green Street, these two houses give Green Street and Port Richie a complete black eye. As a homeowner, these houses are hurting the value and process of me selling my property. Respectfully to the
council, I request Port Richie City Council do their job and vote to have these houses demolished immediately. And that's all I have. >> Thank you. >> That's all the signs I have. Is there any other show of hands like comment? >> Yeah, it's it's not this time public
comment. So, >> anyone else? Okay. So, bring back the next step in the process is final summary by the property own. So, I invite the property owner back up. >> If I may jump in again if there's more questions for anybody, I think do that now >> before we find then we'll summarize once it's all done.
>> I think consensus council would like to open back up for more questions or >> No, I don't. I've got a question. >> Okay. So, I'm going to open up question back. So, if you guys come back to the podium, I'm gonna open up questions for the uh council to the um property owner.
>> See, he has his son died of CO and he wants to buy my house. >> Sir, can you let me question? >> Mr. Howard. Yeah. His son died of CO. >> He's got a question for you. >> Oh, okay. >> I've got a question. >> Have you not had water usage in this
house since 1998? Yes or no? >> No. >> You have not? No. >> Where do you live? >> Well, we lived there, but we when uh >> Do you live there 27 years ago? >> Yeah. In Cheryl's water next door, which
I just have a hose with two two uh two female ants. And I hook it up to hers and then I pay her water bill whenever we're there in the winter. >> I pay her whole bill. So, we have water. not habitable, >> but not not city water because it's $90
to turn it on, $90 to turn it off. So, every >> We're getting ready to make a decision here. >> Okay. >> Okay. Whether to continue with tearing your home down or to give you a chance to get your home back where it belongs and and I need to understand the the
latitude and the reality of the situation. The situation reality is this is not your home. Okay? You live somewhere else. Well, since we retired, we travel >> a lot. That's true. We do travel a lot and we stay in different US
[clears throat] hotels and stuff like that. But um and then >> we have come back several times. We >> the power is on all the time. >> Another statement, please. Here you have neighbors, your neighbors. These are not us. These are not people live on different streets. There's people on
Green Street saying they want to sell their house, but your house is in such dilapidated condition that they can't sell their house. Is that fair to you? >> No, that's not fair to them. >> It's not fair, is it? No, >> it's not fair at all. And we have to take that in consideration right now. We think about >> That's why But once we If you want to
see pictures, >> well, we'll fix it. >> That roof. >> We'll sell it if you want. >> Beautiful. The house looks beautiful. We had it. >> We repainted it ourselves. >> It's a $44,000 roof. We we didn't pay that. >> We did all the grass. It looked beautiful. It wasn't
>> I even took all the tiles off and sold the tiles to a company in Orlando. >> Okay. Any more questions? >> And then that Mr. Howard who lives next door, he >> So you have you're have opportunity to do a final summary and then when we have
that final summary, you could have the floor to have your final summary and and please bring that stuff up then. I just got >> So what's on your driver's license? >> Florida. Address. >> Where do you live? 8648 Green Street. You want to see it? What's in the car? >> No, take your word for it. It doesn't
sound like you live there at all, though. So, >> I do since 1979. That's my my home address. >> Poverty taxes last week. >> And we own the two lots down the road. I was going to build two houses there while I was raising my kids.
>> Any questions? >> Just give us a chance then. We'll see. You can reverse your >> We'll come back to the final summary. So Nancy, I need to open up questions for the building official. >> We'll work with you. >> So you have you have been living in that house. You have no water other than
correct. >> Well, the water was on and with the hearts. See the hearts used to own John Howard's house. >> You have water? Yes or no? >> Yeah, but not not me. Not hooked up to city Port Richie. We always had water.
The Florida Building Code requires >> The Florida Building Code requires water in a house for sanitary conditions. If you're not hooked up to water and you're running it through a hose, we don't know what pressure that house has versus your
house. >> Same house might not be able to handle the same pressure that's in that house. >> You don't have running water. That's unsanitary conditions. >> Yeah, we do. We always have. You just said you didn't. >> Well, not paid city Port Richie water,
but we always had either from Cheryl or from the from the hearts. >> I'm done. >> No. No further questions. >> Okay. >> But we we'll turn the water on. >> I'm about to open. So >> So no water, no sewage. >> Yeah, we got sewage.
>> Carol. >> Okay. [laughter] >> So close question. >> Okay. with with the comment that was just made. Do you have any other questions about >> No, I'm done. >> No. Okay. Um since council asked more questions of the um appellant, they may want to ask more questions of the
building official just to keep >> Okay. Is there you have more questions for the appellent? >> So if [snorts] there's no water, there can be no sewer. >> That's right. >> I'll turn the water on tomorrow. >> So this question building official. Okay. >> Yeah. I'm asking the building official. If there's no water, there's no sewer. >> That's right.
>> And building says no. So there's no sewer and no water. There is sewer. It's just illegally being used. >> Illegally being used. Yes. >> 30 years of not paying the sewer bill. >> There if I could. So, which what that means is it would have person's water they're borrowing. They're paying for
the sewer for their house as well. So, >> we're paying for the neighbor's water >> but irrelevant but so >> he has no other. >> Okay. >> I don't know where we are now. >> Yeah. Thank you. >> So, the only question back up have we satisfied all the other things? So, we go back to the summer. >> Okay. Okay. So now the next step in the
process is a final summary of the property owner. You have the floor. You can >> Okay. With the the water, we can show you checks where we paid the heart's water or we paid Cheryl's water all the time. And then when we're only there for like couple of days, her husband John
would just say, "Just buy me a bottle of blue Johnny Walker." And we would like it's you gota >> because we travel a lot. We didn't see the point in putting on. >> No, because you got to turn it on, turn it off. But the power's always been on
79 in our name. >> Never got turned off. >> 27 years. >> This is not time question. This is this is their time to have >> we only it's only the last six years.
>> No, but the water we've always like Mr. and Mrs. heart. He died and her sis daughter took it up north. So, I paid her water for I got the checks. I can show it. >> Yeah. >> Take a while to get them. So, we were paying for sewage, but only through
another person's house, >> but I I'll I'll turn the water on. >> Well, that's what we're trying to do now that we're back and we knew that there would be >> a long time that we're going to be here to get this house back in order >> and yes, we were going to put the water
on in the house. Yeah, we'll see. He might still want to buy our house. >> He says he's selling his now. >> No, no, no. That's the other guy. >> That's Howard. You wouldn't believe >> Howard isn't selling his house. That gentleman that was just >> poor Howard. But since Mr. Howard has
moved into that house that where he's living next door to us, he's always complained. Um, >> he made me take my boat away. I had an antique boat because of him. >> I had a scrap. >> Got rid of our cedar strip. One at a time. One at a time. I'm sorry. >> Okay.
>> We got rid of right off. Yeah. >> And he's always wanted to buy our house and we said, "No, we're not selling because we like it here and we're living here. We're not young people anymore." >> We we want to stay there. >> And then his wife would complain that the tree in the back of our house was
shading her backyard so she could >> She loved it. Yeah. But then then she put to keep shade for herself, she had a big blue um >> awning put over where she sits all the time.
>> And they also had called >> and he re he rebuilds pontoon boat and he does it down the street on my property and he parks his trailers on my property and I don't mind that because it's the two vacant lots. >> So >> I don't know why he's doing this. He
never he never said anything about the new roof that we put on. The place was looking really good. Um we've also had the backyard cleaned up now since we before we came back that whole tree has been removed. All the >> Well, no, except the stump.
>> I'm trying to find the sawmill. >> But all that uh all that stuff that had come down that we saw in the pictures, that's all been removed. So now we can go and mow mow everything like the the flowers. They're not weed. >> Well, and I'll I'll even do Cheryl's
house. >> Fix it up. She's got a situation. Her daughter has got her locked up just a minute in her house. And she calls me and she says, "Danny, help me. Joe, please tell me what you can do." And I say, "Tony, she the guy that owns
Nicole, you know, that owns the stainless steel place. He was living with her since her husband died. And uh he even moved out because of the daughter. She was and so I called Nico and said do what you can do for Shid and she they won't even give her $25 so she
can take an Uber to see they've told her house is gone and it is a reverse mortgage. >> Understand? Again if you could just by your property because that's that's what we're here to deal with. You know the other property is not in play here. So >> and then with this gentleman's talking
about he's never seen it cleaned up. wh why didn't he see uh Julio Sanders who was there who did remove all that rubbage and the tree um from uh but our garden uh the guy who was supposed to be our gardener Rick Nichols he was only
doing mowing the grass he never went in the back >> he wasn't even picking up the sticks anymore >> so um since we've been back already been working outside to get all things that look bad to the neighbors
And now we can go and have the grass completely mowed and trim all the overgrowth in the middle garden >> and in the backyard. >> All we're asking for is 90 days. So if you guys >> just want now that we're going to be here, we will be putting the water on. We know that we were going to have to be
here for a few months in order to get this house organized again. We know it's going to cost a lot of money, but we're willing to put that out >> because I even told her, "Hey, go over and see if Cheryl's water's on because we need water." >> Never mind that. will have the stop.
>> Yeah. >> And like I say, there's power. We've always the utility bills except not to say what we pay the neighbors for the water. And as for the house looking so nasty. >> I know. I couldn't believe the outside.
>> I got to talk to Nichols. >> Looking so nasty inside is because when Mr. Hernandez Julio took out the rugs. Instead of moving something here, taking out that rug and moving it back, he's it's all held sculpture all over the house. I mean, I was shocked to see that
myself. >> And so now we have to put all the furniture back. >> Well, but I've checked the the floors. I've even checked the bathtub. The bathtub doesn't have any dirt in it. The floor in the bathroom is not like you say if there was all kinds of mud coming
in. That floor in the bathroom doesn't show it. >> It's tile floor. >> It's a tile floor. And the kitchen floor doesn't show that either. And neither does the front doorway show any damage of bad water coming into the house. Because
when when Howard made us take my boat out, I was stoing my dad sent my cedar strip boat 6 footer down from Canada and I didn't want it. And so I was storing it beside the house and when the building official found out that I had caught up with a saw, I caught up this
valuable boat all because I Howard and he he he fixes pontoon boats and he's always >> I don't know how many he's got now. >> Anyway, >> and he resells them. We have went when >> I work with the neighbors >> Mr. Howard's fence and he's also putting
the fence right on the property. >> Yeah. >> He didn't from our side >> and he's blocked off he blocked off our uh able us to get into our own backyard >> with our lawnmower. >> Well, >> but anyway, like but he like I say, he's
been wanting to buy our house. He's a little upset that we didn't. And he's also called the city once before and he said the lady came and said asked who we were cuz we were we were there and she said oh somebody said your house was
baker and I said well no here we are it's not bacon we're cleaning up >> anytime that we've gotten the the code enforcement over there it's like unfortunately because we go away and we sometimes stay a little bit longer than
we should and then but we come back and we clean it all up and it looks a little good again. So, I'm sorry that the neighbors, these two neighbors are having a problem with this. >> We're we're really close to her, his wife and his sister-in-law. She's over all the time.
>> But anyway, not that close, but close >> up wanting to buy the house. I don't know. But we would like the opportunity to get an engineer in, see what it's going to cost to to fix it, what needs to be done, and we're willing to put up money. Not if you don't have the money
to do that. >> As a homeowner, I can do it myself as fire laborers to work with me. >> No, no, no, no, no. You have to >> No. We would We get rural engineering. We would get >> Why do you have to do it? You can't do
it yourself. >> No, because you're not. >> Folks, again, I appreciate the the detail. Again, if you could just focus on your final summary. I think I think you've made it. Um, and so I I need to move on in the process. We've got a lot of other business to work tonight, but I want to give you your time for sure. Um,
but if we could just stay focused, is there any last things you'd like to say in your final summary? >> We're going to put the water on. Okay. >> Would like to get this house organized again so that we can live in it. We definitely will get that. If we have to replace the whole Florida room, we're willing to do that, too.
>> And >> okay, >> we just need some time. >> Understand >> to prove to you that we will do this. >> Okay. Thank you. Next up is final story by the building official. >> It's going to be me. Thank you. I appreciate it. Um, and with all due
respect, I want to focus back to what we're here for. Um, and it's on page 89 in your agenda, which is the uh page two of the slum and blight notice that went from the building official um to these folks explaining to them why the property at 8648 Green Street um was
being deemed um for demolition. Um there are seven criteria. The building official testified earlier that this structure meets five of them. He only needs to meet one to ask this um structure to be demolished uh for some and reasons. You've heard his testimony.
He went through the pictures. to explain to you the structural damage, the um sanitary issues, the rodent issues that are that are are there even though maybe they didn't know that um and the building official himself didn't see it. Um he's seen a lot of these. He knows what when there's an opening, he knows
what's going to be in there and he's he's testified to all that with his training and experience to explain to you that this is a dangerous structure. I appreciate that these folks don't want to lose it. Um they have had time to address this. I'm sorry they didn't do so sooner. Um today is not the day to
come in and ask for time to address it. They had that time. Today is the day to provide this council with either um testimony or information showing this structure is safe and they have not done that. >> Well, because >> um
the other things we've heard that have kind of added on to it, the water issue and these other other things and the cleaning of the yard and and how it looks outside. um all that adds to the concern about this this property. Um but the main issue that
we're here for is the structural um safety of this building and the only evidence you have heard um is from this building official that it is not safe and the pictures show that um and there's no reason to provide time. It is time to uh deny their appeal and allow the city allow them time to demolish the
home or let the city go forward with demolishing the home. Thank you. >> Thank you. And then so the last step of the process obviously is to bring back to council for council discussion and decision. Um council woman Burke, you you mentioned you had one question. I just want to caution that if you do open up question and we have to go back and question the same process. So do you
still have a question you want to get answered? >> Oh no. >> Okay. That being said so I'm going to pass it back to council for our discussion. Um I I'll start. Um obviously this is a this is a very tough decision council has to make. Um nobody likes to to to make a decision like
this. Um but we we have a responsibility to the community [snorts] to make sure that houses are safe and are not going to hurt people um including the owners. And um as as the attorney stated, we've had evidence significant amount of evidence uh for the record that shows
that this house is in in very very bad shape. Um I don't know if it would if it's if it'd be possible to even remedy that. Um that being said, if it does uh get remedied, it's probably going to have to be lifted out of the flood plane and remedy there. Um you know, so we've
had a lot of evidence to to support this this effort to uh demolish. Um I have not seen and I asked specifically if there was an engineering report um that they had that they could submit to say it was structurally sound. Um, I think that would have been the first thing if I was a property owner that I would have
entertained as soon as I get something that says that my house is falling in and all that. The very first thing I do hire an engineer to produce a report so that I could have that for my appeal hearing. Absent of that, all I'm seeing is is a lot of evidence to the contrary. So, I would um to unfortunately um not
be in favor of honoring this appeal. So I open up to counc >> just give us a chance to get burl engineering to because the only structural damage >> is this council [clears throat] I apologize we and and again we we've heard we've heard your your side of it
and and several times and I appreciate that and again my >> [clears throat] >> um uh you know I'm a human up here too and I want you to make sure you understand that this is the last thing that I want to do is to move forward on this but um I you know based on the evidence that we have before us I think that's the the decision we need to make.
So, does council have any other comments? >> Can I make a motion? >> Sure. [clears throat] >> Motion to proceed with the demolition of 8648 Green Street. >> Okay. So, that's a deni deny the appeal. Okay. Is there a second?
>> I'll second. Okay. Have a motion, a second. Any further discussion? >> Okay. I've already had public comment. Do I need to open it again or no? Okay. >> Um, if there is any further public comment, be happy to entertain it, which is not the applicant. Correct. Okay. Any public comment? Okay. See
>> what you're voting on here. >> So the motion on the table is to deny the appeal and move forward with demolition and it's second. So we're not put a vote. >> Let us get the engineer and show that. >> Sir, I apologize. We procedures now to vote. So I'll call roll call vote. >> We're going to ask it for a little more
time. >> We now be answered. So, the motion on on the on the floor that was seconded is to deny the applicant's appeal and to proceed with the demolition of the property. >> If you can roll a vote.
>> Councilman Sullivan, your vote. >> Yay. Councilman Burke, your vote. >> Yay. >> Councilman Hubard, your vote. >> Yay. >> Okay. Mayor Mayor, your vote. >> Yay. >> Mayor Hoover, your vote.
>> Yeah. Motion carries. We appreciate your time and and again apologize. I'll be praying for y'all's health and obviously if there's anything I can do in the meantime, let me know. >> Is there anything I can do legally? >> There's the you have your options. So I
I appreciate your time and um >> Okay, I'll work with him. I'll get >> again. So I apologize. So council decision is to move forward on the the demolition. So thank you for your time. >> How much how much time would do we have >> there? There is no time. It's it's done. It's been decided.
>> So, when would you do it? >> It's It's up to you to demo the property. I think is the time frame 30 days. >> I think Antonio Tony can correct me. I believe it's 30 days for for you to demol do the demo yourself. If you do not do it, then the city will get bids and have it done. >> How you spend for that money on that
roof? >> So, I apologize. It's a decision of the council to >> a roof. You're just going to >> I'm going to have you escort it out if you if you don't leave the podium. Okay. Thank you. >> Can we get >> Is there anything that we can do
legally? >> We can't advise you. >> Can't advise you on that one way or another. >> You can't what? >> I cannot advi They cannot advise you on your next steps. >> Okay. >> In that that fashion. >> Thank you. Okay. Next. Uh let's should we take a quick recess? >> It's up to you guys. >> You guys want quick bathroom break?
>> Yes or no? Let's let's take let's take five minutes. >> Yeah, mic's off, please. Yeah, but they're they're they're telling you on him completely. >> Okay, that was that was my bad. N if you could do your reading please. >> Ordinance number 25738
an ordinance of the city of Port Richie Florida creating article 8 certified recovery residences of chapter 103 administration and enforcement of the land development code of the city of Port Richie code of ordinances concerning the review and approval of certified recovery residences making related findings provided for providing
for codification providing for severability and providing for an effective date. Okay. Thank you. So uh discussion >> I would like to discuss >> discuss
>> um I mean I'm all about recovery [laughter] I'm all about recovery. Okay. Is there any any like glaring things that we're not paying attention to here that when we leave this meeting
somebody's like, "Oh my gosh, you approved that." And I mean, so somebody help me out with that understanding. >> I will add the only thing I'll add to to that is um as explained in the warehouse clauses, the language you see is mandated by the Florida legislature.
>> So this is nothing more than us just falling in line with what Florida already dictates to us. We have to have this in place by January 1st of next year. >> So, I'll make a motion. [laughter] >> That might help. >> Those are helpful. >> Thank you. >> Now, you know, next year it might change. Right now, this is what we have to do.
>> I'll make a motion we adopt. Where's that at? >> The required >> The required >> verbage. Burbiage. Uh >> I don't even have it behind me here. >> Motion 2538. >> Yep. Yep. Um the first reading of ordinance number 25738 to establish a
structure structured framework for the review and approval of certified recovery residences. >> Second motion second. Any further discussion? >> Any public comment? >> Seeing none please put the vote all in favor signify by saying I. >> I opposed. Motion carries. Next up is
item number six. First reading of ordinance number 25-739 amends section 105-167 of the land development code. I'll pass that to Nancy for her reading. >> Thank you. The Ordinance number 25-739 an ordinance of the city of Port Port Richie Florida amending section 105-167
article 2 chapter 105 of the land development code of the city of Port Richie code of ordinances regarding plat and replat approvals making making related findings providing for severability providing for codification and providing for an effective date and I may start here um we did mention we
talked about this briefly before the the bulk of these changes are um required by Florida legisl E um the process you have a plat or replat approved can no longer come to you. It must be administrative. So the bulk of the changes you see in here are statutoily driven changes. Um
the process is different. I said administrative the time frames are different than what we could do previously. I want to say I did go through this with your planner and your villing department. Um, and the only other changes
that weren't driven by the legislature on page >> 161 162 >> 163 [snorts] >> It's the It's the
>> 16. That's what I did. Um on page 161 in paragraph one you can see that we changed the size of this uh sheets of paper being used um from 21 to 25. It was 21 x 25 now it's 24 by 36 that is
making it consistent with Pasco County just old old information we just updated it. Um, and I think the only other change that wasn't statutoily driven is previously, >> this is just the size of a plat
submitted to the city. That's it. >> That's it. That was all that part was. Um, paragraph two, you can see it used to say 11 copies. We have confirmed with the building department they don't need 11 copies anymore. That was back in the day. They just need one paper copy and a digital copy. So that that was the other
um change that's not statutoily driven. >> Motion to approve amending section 105-167 articles two chapter 105 of the land development code of the city of Port Richie code of ordinances regarding plat and replplat approvals making related findings providing for severability
providing for codification and providing for an effective date. Second motion to second. Any further discussion? >> Any public comment? See, put to a vote. All in favor signify by saying I. >> I. I. >> Opposed. [snorts] Motion carries. Next up, item number seven, approved engineer list for 2025
2026. I'll pass that to Mr. Butterfield for introduction. >> Uh, thanks, [snorts] mayor. It's something we do every year. Uh, we uh, of course, don't have our own city engineer on board. So, we really rely on the engineers in the uh, private community. Several were here tonight or mentioned tonight. We've got 15 on the
list. They all presented their uh statement of uh qualifications and uh again most of them we've used extensively in the past and uh really rely on them. So do you have any to add? >> Uh yes. Um I just want to add that way
trim which is a which is an engineering firm that the city has used for several years. They did issue an SOQ but it was it was given to us while you know after the agenda was built. So I just want to notice that one of two things. Um it it'll come it'll come in at a later
meeting to bring them in as an approved engineer as well. We just we we've they submitted it after the agenda was built. >> So we cannot just add that in. >> We could. That's up to council to do that. We I did receive an SOT from them. Like I said, [clears throat] they've they've been with the city for many years. They've worked on several
projects with the city. Um you know, I know their staff well. uh we can add them to this list tonight to move forward or if council wants to see that SOQ because it wasn't included in the agenda I can bring it to a to a future meeting. So in a motion if you want is it way trim way trim. So
>> I'll make a motion we put it in. >> So So if you want to make a motion to add weight trim and accept the list. >> That's exactly what I'm doing. I'll make a motion to add and accept the list of approved engineers for 2526. >> Okay. Second. I got a motion to second. Any further discussion? Any public
comment? Seeing I put a vote. All in favor signify by saying I. I. >> I. >> Opposed. Motion carries. Uh, next up is item number eight, discussion of live local act property tax exemption. I'll pass it to Mr. Butterfield for induction.
>> Uh, thanks mayor. Uh, live local act. The goal is to try to um um provide affordable housing for the workforce. There's a process where, and I may ask Nancy to help me out here, but the Shimberg Center study every year
lets you know uh if the act is applicable. It is for this greater Tampa Bay area, including Pasco and our city. But, uh if you don't opt out of it, then uh there's a loss of uh property taxes.
So, we've got this um uh set up so you can make a motion to opt out or or to not opt. If you don't opt out, there's no action required. It automatically kicks in. >> Yeah. And go. Sure. >> I was just going to add you you those of you that were here last year, you did
adopt a resolution to opt out from this tax exemption. Um, it needs to be done every year. This needs to be done by January 1st, which is why I'm bringing the concept to you. And if you want to pass the resolution, we have to advertise it a little bit differently. So, it'll come back to you on December 9th, the actual resolution. Um it's very
specific to the live local um act um which allows for certain developments um which are there's a lot of criteria but essentially like a a lower income developments. Um if you have a developer that that qualifies for live local um they they do a development within your
uh municipality. If you don't opt out there are tax exemptions for the developer. If you opt out they will still be charged their taxes and last year you chose to opt out. So should you have that development you would get the taxes >> motion to ask
the resolution if everyone >> so we got motion second. Any further discussion? Any public comment? See put vote. All in favor signify by saying I. I >> opposed. Motion carries. Next up is number nine Ajax Paving Industries deep base invoice Bay Boulevard paving
project. I pass that to Mr. Butterfield for action. >> Uh thanks mayor. Uh you may have read this, but for anybody uh that hasn't, the Ajax paving performed work on the Bay Boulevard paving project uh this past summer. Uh did a very nice job, but during the project, Ajax had to add several tons of additional base
material. It wasn't included in the original estimate. Uh change order was not requested at that time. That was a mistake. It's very similar to the issue we dealt with early in the evening um on the limestone pier where there's a process to do a change order and sometimes the uh the inertia and urge to
get things done the guys out by the guys out in the field leads to a a misstep um [snorts] for the front office. So, uh, I and the staff negotiated a payment for the extra base material, uh, later in in the summer, but I explained to them that the final decision will have to be made
by council and the cost, uh, to, uh, to make us, uh, whole uh, with what the work actually did, even though it was without a change order, would be $50,916.97. Again, we have a good relationship with them. These mistakes are rare, but they
do happen often out of overexuberance, I would say, by the folks in the field that already have everything all set up and they want to get it done and everything's cooking. So, I can understand the mistake and I think it's a reasonable course of action, but >> money defer to council.
>> It's pulled out contingency, so it's not budgeted obviously be out of contingency. >> Yeah, because most of the project was done with ARPA fun. That's correct. and uh we uh expended our last ARPA funds on that project.
>> A question. >> I'd like to hear from Derek on this >> and you can disagree with me if I got anything wrong. >> No, you you got everything right. >> Um so the deep base was only supposed to happen that old posting uh B which we spoke about which was on it. Um, but
when they were milling, they started at the other intersection, the most eastern intersection. And when they were milling it, I guess they noticed they had to go deeper. Well, by the time I got out there, it was already paved. And that's
when they they said that they had to go deeper. I was like, well, you can't just do you if you know you have to go, you stop, start up the other side of the project while we work on this side of the project to see what we needed to come to. So, they kind of just did it on
their own. >> Yeah, that was one of the things I was going to bring up too is that in this case there was a, you know, they kind of just went ahead and did it assuming that they come back and could be taken care of. Um, is this this is negotiated down from
what the original thought was? Cuz I think was it like another almost 100 grand or something? >> It was over 100,000. >> It was over 100,000 that the board did, which is is crazy because that the entire project um >> Yeah. So, you're talking a significant increase in in the in the budget. Um,
and that was that was the very first thing they did. Um, aren't they supposed to come out? I mean, I was talking to Joe. I was talking to Joe just to understand these contractors come in, they bid, and
then they're like, "Well, boy oh my god, we didn't understand." Well, hold on. Weren't you supposed to come out and assess the situation before you came out and gave us an estimate? >> Um, I'm glad this isn't $100,000 asking. It was negotiated down to $22,000. That am I correct on that? 50
>> half 50,96. >> No, 28 was owed and the retain Oh, the retaining balance was 22. So, the new ask was 28. So, it was literally a 33% discount or more, maybe a 35% discount. They take 35% of what their ask was. >> They did their preliminary cores what
they're supposed to do, right? >> That's how they determine where the deep and it wasn't part of that during their initials. So, and they didn't notice. >> They missed it. I mean, I guess the question comes in here with a company like Ajax. A, are we
going to use them again, right? B, they're a pretty big paper in the area, right? So, I mean, you know, they missed it. They've given us a huge discount. You know, um, we should consider
paying them that difference even though it wasn't talked about. But you got to these these biders need to understand, hey, when you come in, you can't just [snorts] go saying, hey, the city's going to pay us an extra 30 grand. >> I I I want to say that, and correct me if I'm wrong, but also it's been a while, but I I thought that they had
agreed to eat that, and now all of a sudden it's come back to us, but they ate it quite they ate quite a bit. And um the the finance part of the office kept asking you know if this was going to be brought before council and I or it was going to be paid and I
explained to them I says to go forward with this has to go before council. I says we do not authorize you know this at all. So um I told them that you know that we will bring this in front of them um for discussion but uh they have you know council has final say on it. Um
there was no promise made to them. Uh the city manager made no promise, staff made no promise. um Leo the retainage part of the bill is is part of the billing process and that's set aside. So, it's more or less the the 28 $28,6740
that we're talking about which was dropped down considerable because we we started the numbers you know in the six you know middle six figures you know so it's a push come to shove this is pretty much just for you know the material
amount um I believe the the actual amount was approximately 30 tons of extra base material if I'm correct >> yeah something like that >> something like that I'd have to get the exact figure, but it was in that realm. So, [snorts] but I we made no promises to them that this was an either pass or
pass or not. But, you know, to uh clarify the vice mayor's comments, Ajax does have contracts with Pasco County. Uh we have piggybacked with them in the in the past. We will we will more than likely piggyback with them in the future. Uh they they they are one of the
m you know, major paving companies in the state. So, um, more than likely we will be using them again. >> Yeah. I mean, I was a little disappointed in the linings the lining of the road and stuff and there's some other issues or whatever. But, um,
>> that was another question I had for Darl. Darl, did they settle all the issues you had? >> Did they address settle the problem? You said, "Hey, I don't like this. I don't like that." They fix it or they [clears throat] gave you a good a reason why. So, if you notice the part where Bay and old post, some of them driveways
stick way out farther than what they should. So, that's what makes the line the white line look like that. Um, because they can't they're not just going to mill over somebody's >> Why do they just make the line straight even though the asphalt follows their driveway? You don't you don't follow >> Well, they can't they they can't uh
thermo somebody's private driveway. Instead of why don't they just make the line straight instead of like my driveways here or there. What they started doing this thing around it. >> I guess it's more or less uh
do you want the line to cuz the way the line's going to because it only that couple driveways that where it pops out >> in order to make it straight. You're going to have to make the whole line >> I got that that far over. >> Should those people have to put their
driveway [snorts] that far in the road? discussion. >> Some of the issues were that the the lanes are wider on one side than they are on the other. >> Um and if you if you drive down there, you can see that where they did the initial lines, they came back with the the permanent lines. It's it's a big
blur in some areas. I mean, it's a really shoddy job as far as the lining is concerned because it's it's it's off center in several places and some some cases almost a foot, I think we measured. So, you know, I got a little heartburn with the that end product and then to come back on a mistake that they
kind of did with the hopes that it would be remedied, especially that magnitude. I I have some heartburn with this, but yeah, I do, you know, I hate to I don't know. I >> They swear the road is centered. So,
>> I mean, I drive it every day other than those little reflectors they put on there, which I can't stand. >> Yeah. Well, it's because lanes on one side it's it's so narrow you got to drive over. So, it's >> should have been moved in a little closer. >> You know, I you know, I wouldn't
hesitate in using these guys in the future. Obviously, I mean, but um this this is a this is a bitter pill to swallow and especially with the with the product. If the product would come out pristine, I'd probably be more happy to to go ahead and cover this. But, >> can we motion to lower the amount?
>> We we we could do that. Again, this is what they're asking. So we could agree to a lower amount and we could have staff go back and negotiate further or just all out just deny it or pay it. >> Motion to renegotiate. >> Okay.
>> On a job of this magnitude. >> Is there a second before I >> Okay, that motion dies. Um, wait. >> On a job of this magnitude, this is like 5%, right? 5% overage. They used the
material, didn't they? Material. They used the material in a professional environment. That's where we are. I think we pay them the money. I think I think that reputation is more important to us in the future versus us taking a $28,000 shot at them. They've already bringing sales. They brought usund
something down to 28. >> So, and and that leaves us at a place right now where we're where they're like, "Hey, we made a mistake, but if you do this, we're cool. But if you don't then you might be cutting off your nose to make your >> face and and and the reality too is the
this is material cost basically it's been reduced pretty much as a material cost. Is that correct? >> Yes. >> Um and so to your point I think that's that that's a good sensible reason to pay it. Um the reality is is had they had stopped and told us that hey we've
got to do this deeper >> probably would have paid 100 grand to finish it. >> We probably would have paid more. So you can look at this as because the way it happened, we're actually probably getting a a good deal. Um, so >> you want me to make a motion? >> Motion to accept the Here, hold on. Slow
down right here. Motion to >> whatever it is. She's ready. >> Motion to approve the $50,916.97 in invoices from Ajax Paving Industries for the additional base material, labor, and retainage for the Bay Boulevard
paving project. I have a motion, a second. Any further discussion? Any public comment? Deon, welcome. >> Devin Aaron, 5414 Bay Boulevard. Um, Ajax is a multi- They might even be a billion-dollar company. Um, they know
what they're doing. They did a crappy job for us. The lines suck. I know Daryl's got to like deal with that, you know what I mean, in some of the areas. and we look at him and he looks at them and S talks to him and you know and Adam's like I don't want to deal with this you know don't pay it. Um we
shouldn't pay that. We shouldn't pay that. We shouldn't pay it. Period. In the story and and and and they'll they'll bill it to us on the next time when we get other grant money or whatever. But we're taking money out of our contingency paying for their mess ups and it's not for us to foot the bill
on that. You know what happened with Signature? That was a whole different thing. They had to build a seaw wall. They had ADA compliance stuff, all this other stuff that they actually did for the city and that was a good thing. That was something different. This is them not doing their job because they probably got idiots working for them is what it is. People that shouldn't be
working for them. And uh and that's and that's a wrap. So I don't think >> reality is if they had stopped working >> Yep. >> and said, "Hey boys, stop the trucks. Bring it back to base." they would have been in the middle of all the people down there couldn't get through and they would said, "Hey, we need another $18,000
worth of asphalt." It didn't work that way. It worked in our favor. They just did it and figured they come beg for mercy later and that's what they're doing. Mercy cost them $7,000. >> They there ain't no >> Doesn't matter if they're billionaires or not. >> It's not time for back for so
>> that's a uh Yeah, >> take it time. >> So So agreed. Agreed. But they're they're such a big company that they should be handling this in a more professional manner. Period. End of the story. And it's not for little Port Richie to foot the bill on that. You
know what I mean? And uh and as far as you know, you know, they could have they could have stopped what they were doing, went to the other side, you know, like Daryl said, you know what I mean? There's other ways to go about doing this. I'm not an asphalt guy, but you know, I'm not an idiot either. It's, you know, they mill it and they repave it. And there are other asphalt companies.
And that was one of our bigger roads and we might want to look at littleer companies that might be a little cheaper for our smaller roads. So I would say don't pay it and uh and if they want to go after it, let them go after it. But that was, you know, that was their mess up and they need to eat that and that
goes on their bottom line. It's not has nothing to do with us. you know, we didn't, you know, we didn't, you know, misbidd, [clears throat] you know, I got trailers and stuff. I'm like, so, it's so weird trailering on that road now. It's terrible, you know, because the the lines really did shift
over and I get people's driveways and stuff are goofy, but I wasn't happy with that job, you know, and they did, I think, the other road um over uh we had it done a couple years ago by Walmart or whatever and the the lines are like somebody was drunk, you know, and it's
it's it's not acceptable. It's asphalt paving. It's easy, you know, and they got technology now. Anyways, thank you. >> Thanks, D. Right on time. Okay, seeing that bring back for council. Any further discussion? Okay. Uh,
all in favor say by saying I. >> I >> oppose. Motion carries. Okay. Next up is item number 10, lift station generator installation. Bid approval, Santa Fe Power Solutions. I'll pass it to Mr. Butterfell for introduction.
>> Uh, thanks, Mayor. Uh, I think it was this spring before I got here. the uh the county emergency management folks let us know there was hazard mitigation rain program funding available to which we applied for four of our generators that were really challenged during the
storms right Darl so um we got accepted uh we we will be pay back 75% of the cost so Daryl's got the four sites identified during the writeup and uh it's a really good uh $1 for every three
that we get as a part of the grant U so again similar to the process described earlier on an earlier project our uh staff gets together and rates proposals. Uh I remember the room when uh that that
bid process went on and there were a lot of people that applied and our staff came up with Santa Fe Power Solutions as the uh best company to get the job done for us for the right price. So, uh, again, I I can start bringing forward, uh, multiple, uh, everybody that applied
if the staff if the council in the future wants to see that. But in this case, uh, Santa Fe was selected and S and Darl, if you've got anything to add. >> In this case, Santa Fe was the lowest bid because it's basically just going out to install the generators. So,
that's why we're presenting them to you. They're the and it's the only one on there because it's the lowest bid. >> Okay. They're provided generators. gas and installed everything like that. >> Are these covered or protected or how what do they do? Just sit on the ground next to the lift station. I'm trying to understand.
>> So, what they'll be is you'll have the fuel cell underneath um probably about 500 gallon fuel cell then the generator cell on top of it. >> So, it'll be higher than flood stuff. Okay. >> And then they're protected. They're powder coated [clears throat] and everything >> and we start them up, run them every once in a while and all that stuff. The
fuel cell is like diesel or gas? >> Diesel. So, what is the life expectancy on that diesel? >> Um, usually that you run them and then uh you run them once a week. Uh, usually like Wednesday or something for about an hour and then they just run and then you
just fill them up like >> So, you're burning that fuel. This fuel gets >> Yeah. >> used. It doesn't sit in there and go bad. >> No, it'll get used. That's why you have to run and test them and do your weekly >> weekly test. >> Yeah. Like we do here. You do them here for this generator and that generator
>> every hour. Yep. Every week. Okay. This one I think is Fridays, right? Or was Fridays? >> It was Fridays. I believe it's like Tuesday, Wednesday now. >> Yeah. It's like 10 o'clock in the morning, something like that, right? So, it was 10 o'clock in the morning. >> But yeah, they [clears throat] got to keep them fuel. They fuel them up
off road so you're not paying the extra tax. >> And then if they emergency, we have the ability to pump stuff. Right. >> Correct. >> Okay. A our four main ones, Bay, Cleaner, Chapel, and Olsen. >> Do so in the event of a complete power
outage, do you have any loss of sewage pumping anywhere in the city or do we have generators to bag it all up? >> So, we have two portable generators plus the bypass pump now. So, if any of those go out that's outside of those four, we'll just hook them up or we got the vac. >> I gota
>> we can back them out and dump them at one of these four stations that are still alive. So we're not completely out. Um that's like I said that's what saved us for Helen was Bay Boulevard 9. >> So there will never be a time or should never be a time where your toilet won't flush. Right. >> Correct. >> Okay.
>> I thought of you when I was on vacation down in the Keys. I saw some list stations. They were elevating have the stairs going up to them and some had those generators >> on them down there. Quite a few. >> Were they aluminum stairs with a little >> Some were galvanized. Most of them were aluminum. Yeah.
>> Yeah. And they went up there probably like eight feet up in the air. Yeah, >> that's about how high we're looking to lift AR. >> Very cool. >> As one of our as one of our state projects, we're working on that as well. We'll be bringing that to council soon. >> I took some pictures for you.
>> We ready for motions? >> Yep. Whenever you're ready. >> Motion to approve Santa Fe Power Solutions to install the lift station generators as per the hazard mitigation grant program. >> I'll second. Have a motion. Second. Any further discussion? Any public comment? See, put the vote. All in favor signify
by saying I. >> I. >> Opposed. Motion carries. Next up is item number 11, interim city manager discussion contract. Um I guess I'll pass that to Mr. Butterfield for a quick introduction and okay, the original contract that the council signed me to
expires uh I guess Thanksgiving day and there's a gap between the expected arrival of uh Mr. King June January 5th. So, um the mayor had drafted this and proposed extending the original contract
through uh for 20 November through 4 January. >> Okay. And so, um obviously I've got updates on Don King's contract which I'll I'll jump into here after we take care of the energy manager. Obviously, that contract with Don would begin on
January uh >> 5th. Yeah, January 5th, which is the Monday. Um and so we obviously need to see manager services up until that point. Um and so what we need to do is extend Andy um or propose to extend Andy basically the same same structure he has
um with one change and I'm going to give you a little uh information that we found out um why was this this change here. So um with with regards to FRS the full retirement system when we originally acted on his contract it was
our understanding uh based on information that finance received is that we are able to lower the F FRS participation for the and the city [clears throat] manager is uh senior manager service class. It's a 33.24% uh requirement of the city to to put in.
And so we um were understanding we could lower that down to the uh the regular class rate which is 14.03%. And so that's the assumption we've been operating under and we've been uh putting in that 14.03% every month in this contract for the last five months.
Um what we found out in negotiations with Don is that um that actually information was incorrect. Um and and and I will say that um you know it's really not a fault of the finance director. Um he made several phone calls. I'd asked several times to get some clarification. He attempted to do
that. Um there was a issue I guess on the on the site that gave the employer number. Um and we would call in employer number that would get routed over to the employee number and there'd be se long hour and a half waits to get to somebody and um the folks on the phone would
basically say the same thing. you can lower it and you can't opt out of F FRS altogether. And so I reached out to um obviously was going back and forth and it just didn't make any sense. So I reached out to to Mike Moore as well as Brad Joerger to see if I could get some kind of contact with FRS. Um Mike was able to get us in touch with a lady
there and um we had a phone conversation and found out that the the information we had was actually the reverse. You can opt out if you've never retired from the F FRS system. Uh but you cannot lower the the the rate to the city manager because the city manager is it's compulsory to be at the city city manager or senior manager uh search
class. And so that was a $15,000 phone call um basically to go back and and do the 20 some% difference. Um, and so what happens in that is when this when the city goes out and and corrects that, um,
Andy's going to get he gets an 8.3% match based on what we were paying as a regular class, he'll get an additional 1.37% match in there, which obviously was outside the scope of our contract. So, we' get an extra 1.37% for those months leading up to that. um to
mitigate the city's cost. Um Andy has agreed to opt out for this last month of his contract and any subsequent um portion that we give him so that we don't we aren't on the hook for that 33.24%. In return, we'll make him whole by giving him the match that he would have
gotten. And so if you take the five months [clears throat] at the um the additional 1.37% um I think I have that somewhere. It's a six point. So that would each equal 6.85%. The match for the final month of his
contract in November would be 8.3. So a difference of 1.45% which would leave us owing him $190.92 of a match. So [clears throat] that being said, that kind of gives you some framework around the retirement portion. And what you'll see in his agreement here is that um he has agreed agreeing
to opt out of the retirement system. And what we're going to do is we're going to pay his salary as we have been paying it except we're not going to have any FRS obligation. We're just going to kick in an additional 8.3% which is what would went to his retirement fund. So we basically would add on 8.3% um in lie of
the match. Any questions on that? Okay. So I I will say too by Andy doing this um the city makeup FRS would have been about to the tune of $15,175.90. um we're able to mitigate that for the last month was all we could do. We we've
asked to see if there's some way we could retroact at the beginning. That's it's it's probably statuto not possible. Uh I made it clear that you know we've had to get bad information. Um they're looking into that, but I think it's it's there's no way around that. So um we are able toate that and save 3,000 some odd
dollars by him opting out for the last month. Um so we're taking that 15 about 12. >> He's being compensated as he should be. he from his perspective it's it's the same instead of him having the money in one bank account it's going to be in another uh and so the only technical
difference is when we pay him that that that money in lie of the match um it doesn't really affect too much for this last month of this contract here November because it's only $190 but that's taxable income to him so he'll he'll have withholdings and stuff on it
um in the extension that we propose obviously that 8.3 would be taxed at the regular rate So it's not tax deferred match like it would be going into the FRS. Um that's really the only difference. So and obviously the tax situation that he has may or may not uh have an issue with that anyway. So let's
>> so um if you've had a chance to review that is there any questions on the extension really the the exact same terms that we have now. It's going to extend it out to um January 4th with midnight January 4th and then Don which we'll talk about in a minute will pick
up midnight 5th. Um >> so there's not going to be an overlap >> there be no overlap at all. Well that's that's a whole another so let me get to that. >> So we need we in order and so the reason we need to extend this instead of
talking another structure which I'll talk about in a minute is because we have to have a city manager in place. the city manager is not a 1099 employee and so obviously the IRS is very particular about allowing you to 1099 certain employees. So it's basically
would be trying to dance around IRS rules and so we need to extending the way he is um because it's going to cost more. We got to pay FICA Medicare uh just like we would any other employee because it's an employee type position. Um, so this this this extension of
contract would just take him from where he's at in the 27th. I believe this November 27th >> to extend him to the fourth and then we're going to talk about beyond that after this. >> Okay. So I'm good with going forward
with it as it is. >> Okay. So I need a motion to accept the extension as provided. >> Motion to accept extension as provided. >> Okay. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Okay. Motion second. Any further discussion? Any public comment? See, I put a vote. All in favor signify by saying I. >> I.
>> I. Oppose. Motion carries. Okay. [snorts] Staying in the same topic and um I'm [clears throat] going to skip to Don for now before we come back. So I think it I think it it's good to have the entire picture of that transition. So I I have an agreement with with Don. It's been
passed back and forth several times. Um, we've had good discussions and [clears throat] I'm happy to report that we have a a contract that's win-win for the resident city of Parichi as well as Don and um, I'm going to show you some numbers to kind of to drive that home. Um, obviously Don is flexible because
he's retired military and so he does not need FRS and so he's agreed to opt out. Um, and uh, he also does not need our healthcare plan. So he's uh, not taking that and so that provides us some flexibility. So, what I'd like to do is kind of go through the contract and I'll entertain
your questions as we go through that. >> Can I before you go ahead? Sure. >> So, he's opted out of those two things. Did he want something in return for opting out? >> Yeah. Yeah. So, there's uh and I'm going to go over what kind of those things are in lie of. Okay. Um so, if you step through the agreement and I can pull it
up on a screen this is uh this wasn't in the packet um because we got the language worked out before the or after the stuff was done. So, if I could share my screen here and ask the council has a copy in front of you. Okay. I might be able to make that a
hair bigger. See? Okay. Um, so the the starting point of this contract was basically the same contract that we used for Matt Cppler. Um, to have all the the special language and stuff that in there. So really I'm going to cover the the kind of the details. If
you guys want to talk about anything else within there, um, feel free. But, uh, as we go down, obviously all this is kind of boilerplate. um starting on the uh 5th of January and it it'll go for
three years and hit you need to provide a six months written notice to him if we decide we're not going to renew that. um the >> six months from us >> for six months from the time the three year when contract ends we have if we're not going to continue with him we need to give him that six months notice if we
are going to continue obviously there's a whole negotiation involved right >> um the obviously there's things about paying leave and all that all flip this severance is is the next thing I'm going
to cover um and So statute require allows up to 20 weeks of severance pay. Um and the in the past it's not been structured in any way at all. It's just you know if you if you're terminated without cause meaning that we just
decide we we don't want to employ him anymore they'd be entitled to 20 weeks of sentence. Um obviously I had issue with with just having that out there. Let's say we have we make a bad hire and um not you know we had high expectations
but you know he couldn't do anything wrong but we have to let him go because he's not doing a good job or whatever. Um I don't like the city have to pay six months salary to send him out the door. It's very expensive. Um and so what I what I did in the contract is uh put a tiering system in there. And if you go
down to page uh three of the contract at the top you'll see so for the first six months that's considered a pro probationary period and there's no qualification for severance. So there's no no reason to pay severance. If within 6 months we
decide to terminate without cause no severance is needed. Um once you reach beyond the six months up to a year we'll pay 25% of that 20 weeks. Um for another six months if it goes to a year and a half we'll pay 50%. uh up to two years we'll pay 75% and after two years we'll
pay the full 20% if we terminate without cause. Um severance is if if he's terminated for cause doesn't matter how long he's been here there's no severance and if he leaves of his own valition he decides he takes another job whatever there's no seance so really the only time that severance comes into play is
if we make a decision as a council to terminate him uh without cause um and then it would apply these this this structured um reimbursement. So that's any questions on the seance. Okay. [clears throat] Um actually goes through and talks about
what things are terminal cause determination. [clears throat] Uh then moving down to compensation. Um we settled on a a base salary of 150,000 per year. the uh obviously the benefits that I
talked about that he was waving allowed us to be uh a little more generous on the salary. Um and when I structured the agreement, [clears throat] the salary is is the driving factor from any increases which we built in to a the same cost of living that we plan for
staff that's eligible to city manage. So if we plan 3% he gets 3%. Um again that doesn't go towards any of the allowances that's strictly just the salary. the 150 is the the one that can possibly move over the course of the term. Um there is a housing allowance um that
will pay $1,650 a month to help defay cost of maintaining residence within incorporated boundary of city of Port Richie or other location approved by city council forever. forever. And um and and I know this sounds like a lot, but I'm going to after you see how this
kind of comes out in his total outlife to the city. Um I think you agree this is a really good thing. Um so 1650 and this helps maintain the uh the house in the city. He has to live in the city or somewhere else that we agree to and by charter states that we have to agree to
live anywhere outside the city. Um he has a year to do that. So the the housing allowance will start immediately um and it'll go for a year within that year if he does not um have an agreement for council to do to where he's living or that he owes all this money back.
>> Okay. But once he complies with that it continues. So it's really [clears throat] a it's an add-on to salary um and it's really in lie of his health benefits and the um FRS which I'll show you those numbers shortly. So that's the housing loss. Any questions
on that? Moving on to the personal automobile allowance. [clears throat] Um, we're going to give him $600 monthly for the use of his his vehicle. Um, he's used his vehicle for city business. >> How did you come up with that number?
>> So again, [clears throat] these numbers in lie of payment. And so I tried to structure it in a way that that made sense. If we if we go back to John Dude, he had $300 car allowance. um give it a little more obviously times transpired or whatever but I wanted to I wanted to
put some hooks to that which I which I did [clears throat] and so basically he's to use his personal automobile he gets a $600 but if he needs to go to a meeting at the board of county commissioners over on little road he can't submit for the 70 cents a mile IRS there's a 35 mile radius geoence around
city hall any travel within that 35 mile out 35 mile geoence if you just picture a circle around city hall, 35 milei radius all the way around. Um that's on him and that's kind of what that $600 is to pay for is for those those travel um
uh expenses if he does have to go outside. So let's say he has a conference he goes to in Orlando. Once he breaches the geoence at 35 miles from the point where that intersects uh on the road that's where his IRS reimbursement at 70 cents a mile or whatever the current rate is he can put
expense into to the finance director to get that reimbured. Once he returns back once he reaches a geoence coming back in that mileage stops. So we're only going to be responsible for any mile mileage outside the 35 mile hour geo 35 mile geoence. >> Any questions on that? Well,
>> was that yours or his? >> This was mine. Again, we're he was um in the discussions, it was all about what he's going to get out of pocket. Uh you know, whether we call it a payment in lie of uh health benefits or whatever.
Um I've structured it in a way that it's um the taxpayers understand that, you know, we're required to live in a city or very close to it. We're going to help with that because we don't have to pay retirement. So, we're going to help have a residents here and it it serves both purposes. Same thing on the auto bill
allowance. He's not driving around a city vehicle using it to need a city vehicle. He's his own personal auto. We're going to reimburse that $600 a month. Again, that's money instead of um instead of his health benefits and all that. This is kind of where we're making that up. Um the total of those two, the
1650 and 600 is 27,000. >> Yeah, 28. Let's see. I thought I had this. >> Is that normal to give that much housing
>> for a city manager position? >> So, do Richie do? >> What? What? So, every again, you need to look at this. >> No, I just want to know if it's normal. I don't I don't want I don't >> I don't know if it's if it's normal or not to be honest with you. We haven't done it in the past. I don't know ever.
Um I don't think ever we haven't had a car allowance >> and I don't think we've ever paid that high of a salary. >> Was there >> So that's a pretty high salary plus throwing in a housing allowance which we've never done before. >> Let me Yeah, let me jump to this so you understand. So what the what the city's
concerned with at the end of the day is what's our outlay for the salary. Okay. There's benefits all these things. So if you look at my screen here, you'll see John Duke our allin and I' I've adjusted this based on the current FRS rate. Um if you look, it actually
was a little higher. Senior management was 34.52% when John and Matt were here. Um and you also see the benefits at 11,000 is what they paid for what we paid for benefits on their behalf. Um but I adjusted these numbers based on the current FRS which is 33.24 24 as
well as the current benefits which is 13656. So if you look at the all-in which is this total outlay here um John Duke was [clears throat] it was costing the city $191,962 based on today's numbers.
Matt Kappa would be at 1975660 with this agreement. We're paying Don King 1978. not paying him, but what our cost is to him with everything is 190,000. So you can you can look at these individual
benefits and that in the contract, but what what the what the numbers are showing is we're actually paying Don King out the door from a city perspective less than we paid John D. And it's been a long time and so this is a really good deal. Um it's the the
housing allowance as a car allowance is just a way for us to manage a portion of that. And I will say too, in my original offer, I didn't have those, but I had a bonus structure. Um, and I had it targeted at 20% bonus target and gave
council the ability to based on metrics to put something in. Uh, Don didn't like the bonus structure. Um, and so instead, um, we we decided on the housing and car allowance, and I structured in a way that that made sense. Again, 1,650. It's going to cost probably more than that to
have a house here. um 600 is probably realistically what he's going to spend in travel with with gas and and upkeeping that using his own personal vehicle. Again, there's really no difference in saying it because all that's $177,000 benefit to him between the the salary of
150 and the 27,000 of the the car and house. $177,000. Um I could have put it all in salary, but then that increases every year with the with uh cost of living. um that way 20 you know the the 27,000 is not increasing it's
only based on 150 um one thing I want to point out for salary if you look at these salary.com statistics here um the 90th percentile for salary of in Florida so you manage 126 344 um with salary bonus you're at 16412
so um the salaries in the in the high end um Debbie Mans makes about 158 I think in salary alone. Um she'd been there 11 years, 66 times our size. Um I don't want to bring him in at 177 salary because that's higher than Debbie's
making. I mean we're kind of doing that but there again there's there's hooks to these housing allowance car allowance. Zephr Hills 7 times our size [clears throat] again about 157 I think Billy Po makes. Um now they have some other things. They're in FRS. Um, if you
look at the FR based on these numbers in red here, you'll see the city is saving almost $50,000 in FRS contributions. Um, of which if we were doing that, he would get 9.67%. But the 23.57% is just throwing an F FRS.
[clears throat] So, I structured it to maximize what money he's getting, make it worthwhile for him. But at the end of day, we're saving more money than than we had with our previous two city managers in including Andy. Andy out the door right now for the years 1924 498. So we're getting done cheaper than we've
ever had anybody. >> I think if um Don looks good I think this is a a good agreement like you done a good job working through this. I have um reviewed this. I used to be a contract manager um as when I was
working >> and I reviewed it and I made some clarifications and just some revisions of some like little um typos. >> Okay. >> Type things and I prepared a little prepared a um [snorts] like notes for you. Okay. >> Nothing that we need to go through here.
Just something for you to consider maybe with our attorney just to clarify some things and then of course correct those typos. And that's >> Well, we we'll cover those. Actually, let me finish the rest of it and we'll just talk through each one of those. Obviously, Nancy has reviewed this cont. >> Absolutely. Yeah. So, what what comes to
this is what I'd like to do is once we've if we need to make any changes, >> why don't I look at what she's >> while you guys are talking because it's just >> typing things. I Yeah. >> changes. >> Yeah. And and like I said, anything
substance, I'd like to go through those. >> Yeah. I mean, it's just all for consideration. There's nothing, you know, some of it could stay or go. Just a little quick question. Did it was it mentioned that we do have a staff car? I know his car is probably a lot more comfortable, but was that mentioned?
>> We bought a car for staff. >> Well, staff has a car. It's not it's not the city manager car, but and there is access to car and so if I know if >> if he was to go to Orlando somewhere farther away, I guess that he's supposed to use his car, but you'll be paying
those mileage on top of that. So, >> okay. Um the um the next item is discretionary incentive pay. So when [clears throat] I originally had that together, I had a target in there and so we reversed that went to these other housing and car lots. But [clears throat] I did leave
this in here and the reason I left it in here is because if it's in here, we as a council have the ability to incentivize him. And so my thought was is you if we get somebody in here and we want to reward them, this is a way to reward them and we can negotiate a a incentive pay package um that we would pay once a
year based on a certain criteria. And all this basically says doesn't guarantee it will ever be done, but if we so choose, we can put something in place and we can put a 5% or 10% annual bonus um that if you meet certain targets or whatever that we're able to compensate him for or not. So, it's
really just in there to give us the flexibility to do it if we want to. If it's not there, we can't do it. Okay. Um, vacation sick time. Uh, there was a small concession here. [clears throat] He, uh, the original contract with Matt was 20 days. Um, which is obviously a
lot kind of standard uh, now for especially for executives coming in. Um, he wanted an additional four days. Um, his reasoning for that additional four days is that he said that when I'm working, I'm going to be the first one in, going to be the last one out. You're going to be getting way more hours out
of me than than um you're paying for. And for that, I just like to have an extra few days. So, when I can take some time off, decompress. He has that ability. And again, that's uh I don't think that's unreasonable of a of a of a person in with that much responsibility.
He needs to have some time. And again, it's um at the end of the day, it's actually saving the city money for the last couple city managers. I didn't [clears throat] see a problem with that. Um so that's that's in there for that. Um all the acrruels, and that's the same as as regular staff.
Um benefits, you'll see here the life insurance, which is $111, and the short-term disability is $132. He's eligible for those just like the rest of staff. Oops. Um, health and dental. You'll see that
he agrees to wave all that. If he does want to participate in the plan at a later date, he can do so at his own payroll deduction. We're not paying we're not paying the $13,000 for that. So, we save that. Uh, disability insurance, I mentioned that the floor [clears throat] retirement system, he's agreed to opt
out. Um and of course once we execute um this contract he'll he'll simultaneously execute his opt- out form that he can send in. So we'll we'll we want to make any contributions on his behalf to this retirement system. Again saving about $50,000 um a year based on the current package
uh relocation. Um once he once he relocates to inside the city or somewhere else we approve um we'll give him $5,000 uh up to $5,000. It's not a $5,000 blank check. He submits receipts on what it costs to move his property
here and of the el and I put um in here reimbursement request will be paid by the city upon submission the city manager receipts confirming his payment such expenses to find director and for those expenses approved prior to their execution by city council. So he's not just going to come in and say here did this. Um, I wanted to put a plan for it,
say here's what I'm doing, here's what's going to cost, and then we approve it, and then we, uh, once those receipts come in, shows he paid it, we'll reimburse up to $5,000. Um, obviously, cell phone, laptop, will provide that [clears throat] bond and all this stuff kind of boilerplate. Uh, any other benefits out
there that's not specifically in this agreement that staff gets, he's also eligible for those. Um, there'll be a performance appraisal every year. We have the ability to discuss salary every year when we have that. So we can actually discuss leaving the salary the same or increasing it. Um even before
the contract extends. Um we can take consideration again if we don't want to do that. We can do a bonus structure if we side there's there's room for improvement. If we get a guy in here it's going to do a great job. We [clears throat] want to make sure that we keep rewarding them so we don't have him leave. And so the ability is there to to do that. Um they're dedicated
totally to us. No other business activities are allowed without council approval. Um, I think that's Yeah, that's pretty much all of the details. So, again, I'm going to summarize. It's
a total of $177,000 a year. To him, sounds like a lot of money, but to the city, it's less money than we've paid before. It's a It's a really good agreement for the residents. Um, really good agreement for Don. Um, appreciate his flexibility. Um, we had several discussions going back and forth on
different things. I held pretty fast. You know, I wanted to stay in that 190 uh range of the outlay of city so that we're not increasing the cost of taxpayers, but we're getting a good solid city manager candidate. Um, we did save $30,000 by not have to go um hire a firm. Um,
>> thank you for negotiating that. >> Yep. and and all [clears throat] in. I'll I'll just run that out. So, you know, we budgeted um 238,000 all in. Um the new city manager coming
in in January running out going to put it about 14388 and then we're going to talk about Andy um soon. But just a little preview of that, add it both together. Andy and I in this in this uh these numbers I'm
extending him to the end of February uh January February 1099 agreement which we'll talk about and the uh the total 21948 under our budget. The um the little $10,000 hiccup with FRS um is in there.
Now that's that's from the prior year. So we're going to show when he goes back and fixes this that the prior year budget is going to be over. Um but that number if you was apply it to today's budget that brings us to uh 230 230 and that includes the additional couple
thousand in in a October November time frame. Um so we're actually with both those scenarios we're actually $8,500 under budget for this year and again going forward we're well under what we were budgeting for the prior several
years with other simulators. So, you know, work really hard on this and I hope you all can see the the value in where we're at and I think the taxpayers can do it as well. I think it's a good agreement. I'd >> like to make a motion. >> I'm going to make a motion to extend the meeting till 9:30. >> Oh, good catch. There second.
>> Second. >> Okay. Motion second. Any further discussion? Any public comment? All in favor signify by saying I. >> I. Opposed. Motion carries. Thank you. >> I got something to say. Sorry, Chief. [clears throat and cough] >> Fantastic job, Eric. really. I mean, you
worked hard on this. You worked on behalf of the city. You you didn't get stumped when on some of the situations. It was appear he was coming back at John and you just worked through the details. You did a fantastic job and that's me telling you how I feel about it. So, >> I appreciate that. >> Thank you. >> Thank you.
>> All right. Great. >> Thank you. >> And as far as I I don't feel the need to go through mine, but they were just little comments, little suggestions for clarification. They're not regarding terms and no no term changes or anything. So, they're just like little nuances that I believe the city attorney
is highly qualified to look at and determine whether or not we want to put that in the contract. And then the rest were just some like little typos, a number change. The typos I found and have noted, but those are those are taken [laughter] care of. The other I mean, you you negotiated this. I don't think it substantially changes anything.
We may want to take time to look at this with what you have and talk to Don. Um, he may feel like it changes something somewhere. I regret glancing at it quickly. I don't think it does, but obviously it's also not a clock and it's doing >> like they're just nuances. >> Some some clarifications, some more
explanations. So, it's probably not going to make any substant substantive changes, but I would suggest that perhaps you look at that. >> Yeah, sure. >> Talk to him and and >> Yeah. So, just for you to it's nothing discussion worthy of you want to look at. I mean, if that
contract, if if Don's the right guy, if Don's the right guy, that contract's not going to matter. You know what I'm saying? If he's the wrong guy, it's not going to save us either. You get my point, right? >> So, yeah. >> So, um, if we can, if you guys are good
with this, um, and so how should we do this? If we want to incorporate any of this, >> I would I would you don't there, you know, >> we have some time. We had we that next meeting that we could suggest, you know, they're good with this. I would say thank you and we'll be done with this for tonight. You look at this,
>> we'll talk about it. Talk to Don if if you know >> you can throw it away for all that matters. I mean, it's nothing sub agenda item for February. February. Oh my goodness. For December 9th, put it on the agenda. Bring back whatever the final thing is. >> I think you did a good job. >> Thank you. >> Thank you.
>> Just concerned about working with Andy before he leaves to talk about. >> Okay. All right. >> Okay. So, by consensus, just so we know, >> as far as I got, I got some point of point of question here. >> Why are we waiting? >> Why are we not locking this thing down? >> I'm not You can do whatever you want.
It's one of your >> I'll make a motion we accept the contract the way it's written and move forward with the contract with him and we don't put this off for another meeting. >> Right. Okay. >> It's not an agenda. Correct. >> It's not It's not You don't have to have it as an agenda item, but I will also say it's not an agenda item to to um
solidify this tonight. is a discussion item kind of that got brought up. I'm just saying. So you you can amend the agenda. You can make it an agenda item. It's discussion. >> One of your council persons requested that the the mayor look at this. >> She says it's not stuff that's
important. >> Clarification. I mean that >> now we're splicing hairs over contract for the guy. We we've written the contract. He's accepted it. You've you've written we've accept you and Nancy looked at it. She was okay with it. So I think we move forward. I don't know why we're waiting >> at all.
>> I'm not I'm not saying you have to. I'm saying if one of your fellow council persons has brought something ahead, >> nothing is in relation to the terms or anything. There are just [clears throat] some nuances that like I prepared the cont. >> You'd be fine to withdraw that. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> Okay, cool. >> Minus the typos. I think
this are we able to probably need to be an agenda item. >> I would make it an agenda item. >> Yeah. >> For the final, >> we can make an agenda item right now. >> We could, but the public has not had time to. So nobody's consumed this information other than I mean if they're watching the meeting. So what I would
what I would suggest we have time it's he wouldn't start till the 5th of January. U we've got we agreed to extend Andy through um uh the the 4th of January. So we got one more meeting December 9th. What I would suggest is if
if everybody's good with the terms um that's that's important information for Don know that because obviously I can't speak for the council. I have to have you guys agree. So, it sounds like and I I ask for consensus that uh that we all agree that everybody's good with this, I can take a look at this and um if I see
anything that I think is important, Nancy pricks and errors or whatever and we can bring that final contract that and I by Don Don's not necessarily probably concerned about any of these things. Again, without looking at I don't know, but um if if I see anything that he would need to look at, he's
going to see it. Um, we solidify that, bring it back to the next council meeting to formally approve it. He signs it, we're done. Um, [snorts] we, like I said, we can technically do it tonight, but there's there's no need to rush. And that way we we do allow the public to take a look at this, read it themselves,
and they can show up tonight have on the night to have comment about as well. I think that's >> so um if um is there any objections to the contract as written and and uh >> no
>> going forward move it to agenda item on the nine. >> I think we moved them do what you said. That's fine. >> Okay. You go with that. >> I don't I don't see what we're waiting for. >> I don't either. >> I mean seriously hold on. We we've been empowered by the people to hire a city
manager. You've done that. >> You've got that contract in front of you. He's agreed to it. We've agreed to it. What are we waiting for? >> It's it's it's not a matter if we need to. It's just it Why do we need to have it? >> It's not a rush getting the job done,
>> right? Agree. And we'll do that in in two weeks. I mean, I'm If you want to make a motion to >> I did. I already made the motion. >> Motion to accept contract. >> Motion to accept the contract as is and have them sign it. Let's get on down the road. >> Okay. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Okay. Have a motion to second. Any
>> Yeah. Any further discussion? Any public comment? >> Okay. See none of Let's do a roll call vote. Just cuz it's late. Do something different. >> Councilwoman Sullivan, what is your vote? >> Yay. >> Councilwoman Burke, your vote.
>> Yay. >> Councilman Hubard, your vote. >> Yay. >> Vice Mayor Mayor, your vote. >> Yay. >> Mayor Hoover, your vote. [laughter] Uh, I'm a nay just because I think it there's no reason to rush it. We could have, but obviously that's that's fine.
Motion carries. >> Motion carries, right? >> Motion carries. It's just a funny funny vote of mine, but motion carries. >> All right. Okay. Next up is um [clears throat] [laughter] >> Yeah. Um, >> can I I'm Can I change my vote?
>> I'm gonna allow you to change your vote. >> That's That's being stupid. Just Can I do that? >> I'm gonna say Yeah. >> I I assume you can. I've never had anyone do it. >> Go ahead. Change your vote. >> Yeah. >> If you don't want it to be seen that you said no. >> It's just It's just not right.
>> It's just It's just It's >> I understand. >> I mean, honestly, I'd be disagreeing with my own agreement. I just It's more timing. justain. >> I know. [clears throat] >> I'm Please check. >> No slash. [laughter]
>> You did a great job. You did a great job. We just approve it. >> Thank you. >> Okay. So, the last part of this, obviously, now that we have both agreements in place, is the transition time between Andy and and Don. Um, and so what what I'm suggesting
[clears throat] is that we we once once Andy's contract expires, we extend him on a 1099 basis um through the end of February. Again, totally um up to the city manager who he report to and also he would not
have the title of city manager. It would be something like uh consultant to the city manager, whatever. Um I've spoken with Don. Don feels like a good solid month is is needed for turnover. Um outside of that, you know, if there's obviously some value, um Andy can
continue to maybe he needs more time. Again, who knows what's going to be going on that that time. Um Andy can, you know, I want to give Andy until the end of February if possible. Um as you can see based on the numbers, uh that's well within our budget. It's even still below the budget. Um I I don't think we're short of work here. Um Annie's
done a great job for us. Uh, I know we originally was going to um before this kind of came up, we're going to extend this contract for six months. That's all changed. And so this is only adding three months to it. Um, which is kind of the commitment that I I made. I I I really would want to try to do that if possible. Um, again, I don't want to
spend taxpayer dollars if we don't need to. So, I will leave um that open to the city manager. If city manager uh at the time feels like uh he doesn't want to renew that all the way to February, I give him the autonomy to do that. But I think from a council perspective, I'd like to see us go ahead and at least
plan on two months of 1099. Um, what he would get. Um, at this point, we would not be paying any FICO Medicare on. It's strictly a 1099 relationship. We pay him a a lump sum salary per month. Um, it's based on the salary he was hired in at
plus the 8.3% we were doing in the match. Um, so you see in this thing, it equates to $14,259.50. That's what the city outlay is. Um, which is the exact same thing as what he would get because there's no uh hidden costs and that they were paying other
entities. It's just he's a consultant and we're giving him, you know, 142 for two months. >> Is Andy good with this? >> I I a lot of times you don't get a turnover. I think a turnover is optimal, but uh I'll know when it's time to leave
the party after two weeks. He'll probably go got it and I can step aside. Um if there's a special project, let's say annexation where you guys want me to What's that? >> You're good to stay through February. >> Of course, I got to start looking for my
next thing. So, if something happens, uh but uh I appreciate the the thought, but I I I doubt I'd be here till the end of February. Like I said, it'd be good for the staff to know the new boss is the boss and I step out of the way. again if there's a special project or or several
that uh it would help Don out for me to wrap up things I've been working on. Uh so he gets a running start. You know, I I just spent a few minutes with him and was here during his interview and he seems like an easy to get along with a guy and uh I'm sure, you know, if I can
be of value once I once he lets me know where we both realize enough's enough, like I get out of his way, I have no problem doing that. Yeah, thanks for thank you Andy. Yeah, >> a party. >> Oh, absolutely. That's
>> maybe some pizza dancing girls and everything. [laughter] >> So, I I will say too that um I'll see [laughter] >> dur during that turnover, you know, Don's going to be his first first few, you know, couple weeks here, he's going to be meeting with staff, um learning
about his department heads and all that. Um there's a lot of stuff still needs to go on from administrators that Andy could kind of do as he's kind of getting frees Don up to kind of get plugged in and then they can kind of get together and have some good turnover and again I think I think that two month time I think it would be of good value if it
works out for Don. >> So in that time frame if Andy needs off to go because he's looking for something different he can go right. Uh so it's a great question because in that there's there's no time off in that time.
>> It's it's a it's a flat payment for services. So there's >> we are going to allow MTV off >> I mean the I [snorts] would I would I would leave that up to the because I let's give you an example. Let's say that he's he's
there and he's um he's having to take off a couple weeks within there. Well, you know, I I think for Don >> Don probably wouldn't approve that because he's being paid. >> Oh, yeah. I think there's flexibility. >> Yeah. City manager has discretion to do.
It's his consultant at that point if he >> Okay. Thank you. >> Can I make a motion? >> Yes. >> I make a motion we extend Andy 1099 status until February 20. What is it? >> It'd be end of February. February. End of February. End of February. Whatever
motion. Second. >> Okay. Um, so we don't have any >> language on that. Whatever. >> Bring it back. >> So the motion would be to draw that up and that'll come back >> have the draw be ready to go and get an extension for [snorts] 10. That's correct to the end of February.
>> Got it. >> Okay. I get second was Lisa. Okay. Any further discussion? >> Early comment. See none vote. All in favor signify by saying I. >> I. I. >> I. >> Opposed. Motion carries. All right. >> Question. Oh, hold on.
Okay. Now is uh comments from the mayor and city council. Um let's start uh I'll start with Miss Councilwoman Burke. [laughter] >> Council B. >> So do you have any comments? >> Yeah, that was it. You'd like to? Okay.
Uh Vice Mayor, mayor. >> Um no, I'm just I'm excited. We're bringing in a new city manager and you know, we've taken our time. we found the right guy and you've worked hard to get us a contract that is good for him and for us. So, thank you for that and I
look forward to the greater greener days ahead for us. >> Yeah, you may comment it should be a contract I can take to the voters in April. Is is would you agree that it is? [laughter] >> I'm just kidding. >> It's not on there. >> It's not on there. >> What? >> On the cover page. >> Yeah, put on I put it on there and it
didn't say >> if I could put a pause. So sorry. >> I could have paused very quickly. >> Is there any old business? >> No. No. >> Well, I had a question as far as the speed dumps. [laughter] >> I let him go. He ran out of here.
>> You told me they were about ready to do it last time we saw. >> So, I I got to follow up with him, but I know he's been talking with with Ajax to get that done. So I I'm pretty sure >> Let me get Let me get a definitive timeline for you and I'll I'll you know I'll have Ashley email council on that
particular >> and a gentleman got hit on his bike last week. He wound up in the hospital for about a week. I think you know remember anything about that? >> Right there in front of my house got knocked over in the neighbors across the street yard and hurt him pretty bad. Someone come down out in Richie.
>> So it gets concerning. That's why it reminded me. >> Yeah. They just move it forward, right? I mean, we >> Yeah, the latest email was from Isabelle at Ajax. I'm still working on finding a contractor who is able to match the existing speed tables in the area because I think Councilman Hover wanted
it to be the exact same kind. >> Well, similar kind ones are those ones are real bumpy. Those new ones at the end closer to Sims Park, they're rough. >> Yeah. Well, that that doesn't have to be exact, but similar. >> Yeah, but the ones close to Sims Park,
they're rough. The other way are okay. My golf cart rattles down there sometimes. >> So that was three weeks ago. So they owe us an update. Yeah. [laughter] >> Okay. Hey, any other old business? >> Okay. [clears throat]
>> Daryl was going to talk about the water lines tonight. I I guess it didn't come up, but he was working on getting that >> the RFP for that will be going out on the 30th. >> Very good. I know that clock start October 1st, so that's crucial.
Go ahead. Any old business? No business. >> Okay, I'm going to go back to comments. Vice Mayor, mayor. >> Um, I I have no additional comments at this time, sir. >> Okay. Uh, Councilman Hover. >> I There was a workshop scheduled. Is that going to be rescheduled?
>> I am waiting on dates. >> Yeah, we were uh >> that was regarding what? Because it was confusing how many things were going on. >> Several. >> That was regarding code changes. um the special magistrate. There were several different things going on. >> That's what I'm saying. There were so
many. >> But I was scheduled to be out of town this week and then that got postponed. So I'm It's kind of up in the air. So I'm really not I'm not ready to reschedule for the next two weeks at least because my schedule is up in the air at the moment. So
>> everybody has December January. >> I would say January. >> We thought January actually January. Let's look for a date uh for that workshop that uh we canled this week. >> Council agrees. >> Shouldn't be a a lengthy meeting or
anything. It's all been reviewed by council and the >> depends on city attorney availability and council availability. >> Okay. >> From I will be here on the 13th. There's currently a P&Z meeting and then the council meeting in between P&Z and council. >> Yes.
>> That makes for a long day. >> What day is this? Um, January 13th. >> January 13th. >> I think we were at 3:00 last time in between the two. If that works for everybody
>> when I get back to we could follow up at the next meeting with some recommendations. >> This also uh will be a discussion of the direct contractor payments from the CRA grant funding.
And that'll need to be a CRA workshop. So that needs to be >> I thought we were I thought it was your idea that we put them all together. >> I realized it CRA. So it can be at the same day just needs to be noticed that it's you know one like do CRA then when you're done you can start the next one >> because we're already doing those that grant funding. So
>> it's two you know just everyone knows what it's about and I actually go under separate >> okay >> things I have to build separately. for your >> let me see I don't know that [clears throat] >> yeah I return on the 11th so 13th floor
survey okay >> but if you said the one workshop or [snorts] >> you can do both just notice that like the first half hour is CRA whatever when you want to do it like 3:00 is the CRA and then 3:30 or immediately following is the >> non something like that
>> really workshop and council >> like a really long >> but the two two workshops kind of a misnomer really but we're just my time for your >> if it works for everybody. >> Okay. Anything else for you Bob?
>> Council. Okay. Unfortunat I have one thing. Um, and we can look that's so actually last meeting it was brought. >> Mayor, did we confirm if we're doing that? So I know. >> Yes. Oh, I'm sorry. Everybody go with
13th, right? >> I don't know. >> I'm good with the 13th. 3:00. >> Yeah. Check. >> I have to check. >> Okay. >> Um, >> most likely. >> Okay. >> I don't have that calendar here. I'm saying everybody's okay except Lisa.
>> I just needed to make sure. >> Like I said, we always we always cancel if finally can or whatever. >> Okay. [clears throat] Yeah. >> Good on that. Okay. So, last meeting um there's some during the comments there's stuff came up about uh the whole uh the
competing effort down at the waterfront whatever and Christine you'd said reach out to Pasco whatever. So, I've I've I've I've done some due diligence. Um, so I reached out um to Adam with Pasco Sports Coast to kind of get what his
take was on what was going on. Um, and when I talked to him, he said that he was reached out to by Bob. Um, and obviously Pasco EDC, sorry, Pasco Sports Coast, they talked to developers all the time and Adam said basically that um, he made some introductions. Um there's a
there's a lady who does not want to be mentioned um that uh was involved in that introduction and and so there was uh some stuff going on and there was another individual Paul of France that was kind of brought in and there was um
several meetings held. Uh I did ask Adam if if during some of the meetings he was in if if Pasco EDC was involved at all and he was they were not. And I I almost was a point I wasn't going to reach out to EDC because it didn't sound like they were involved at all. But I went ahead and reached out to Bill Cronin today
just to clarify that and he he did clarify that they've not been involved in any of that at all. Um I asked Adam, you know, are you all driving this project uh because council wasn't aware of it and uh they said no, we're not driving that at all. Um Bob reached out to them. he made some contacts and then
there was some obviously some stuff I think that Bob met with Andy and um and Pasco Sports Coast and obviously there was some I think meetings with uh some of the property owners down at Waterfront and whatever. So that's kind of how in a nutshell how all that kind
of got started. Um and so the the unfortunate part of that is that we have uh having two proposals that have come in that the expectation is that we would pay those. Um the the lady doesn't want to be mentioned. She has agreed to
withdraw her proposal um which was I I believe $8,500 um uh for the the contacts and stuff the work that she had done. Um but the the ask was for Paul of France guy that does the design is my understanding that he's
about 80 90% done with this animation um of the waterfront and and all that and his proposal was I believe $9,850 correct um I've not talked to Paul um but I've talked to the the individual that doesn't want to be named and this
Paul is a a good friend of of uh hers and he was doing this u what he thought was um agreed to um within the spending authority of city manager um and I think there was there was probably some miscommunication and I'm going to let
Andy quickly respond to his version of that and then um let council decide how we want to go forward on this but the reality of the situation because this work that's been done outside of direction of council um we have uh a
$9,850 $50 um item that somebody had been working on for the city under the under their assumption that they would be paid for it. Um and I explain the process is that proposals are are submitted, they're brought to
council, council reviews those based on our spending authority. If it's if it's up to $25,000, we can um agree to do something like that. If it's above 25,000, we got to take it to bid. Uh the city manager has a $10,000 spending authority. uh that is to keep the city running so that if something happens and
he needs to make a purchase um to keep the city going or or something else like that um he doesn't have to wait two weeks to come to council and get approval he has a bill to do that that's not for strategic uh planning um design planning anything like that um I don't know how you all feel but if if I had
the city manager going out writing $10,000 checks for just stuff that he's not bringing council I'd be the first to if I could make a motion motion to fire the guy. Um, so I don't feel that there's been ever any um uh from what
I've gathered that there's been any um misinformation. I think process was explained and people misunderstood that. Um, but nonetheless, here we are. And so there's a product out there that's about finished um that uh the assumption is
that we would pay that. So I wanted to make council aware of that. Um, and if you want to give a little bit of color to to your involve in it so council was aware. I
I it's it's kind of bizarre because um when at the Councilman Hover's uh request I met with this person and that she says she has this designer contact and she wants to envision building
hotels down at the waterfront. Um at most I agreed like yeah the city doesn't have a hotel. It'd be great to have a hotel. So, she proceeded to start making plans, as I understand it, or having her designer make plans about what to build down on the waterfront on
private property that the city doesn't own. So, I mean, why would I say I'm I'm going to pay you to make plans to build something that we don't do. We don't build hotels. We're municipal government and especially to build them on land
that we don't own and have no intention of buying. So, I don't want to use too strong language, but it seems preposterous to me that anybody misunderstood. As far as knowing my spending limit, I think the first time I talked to her, I
asked what her role was. Like, in other words, what's your interest in this? How do you get paid? She said, I'm a realtor, so I'll get paid when property sells or whatever. She has her own agreements with hotel years. I'm like, great. I didn't worry about that. And then uh I was going out on medical leave
and got a phone call saying I I think I put in a lot of time and I need to get paid. And that that was so I I go on medical leave and a couple weeks later I come back and I see these proposals in my email that I knew nothing about. And so I
it's just kind of crazy to me that I'm being accused of leading people to think that we owe the money because they're going to provide a product. I it just I was just being accommodating. I say it all the time. Let the let the free market work. Let
the the market prevail and people are going to want to I mean they didn't have to take their ball and go home. they could buy properties, put in uh proposals to develop and and develop here. I I don't know why all of a
sudden, uh it it's off. So, I I wasn't actively participating in private industry and I'm prevented to, I think, in my contract. I was supposed to have one job. So, anyway, I don't know if that helps clarify or muddies the waters. So, yes, sir. Chris,
>> when as a previous realtor and with lots of real estate experience, you cannot jump in and start working for somebody and just throw out a bill there say, "Hey, you owe me x amount of dollars, 10 grand, whatever it is, out of thin air without a contract. That is absolutely
it's ethics 101. You don't do that." >> So, if she is a realtor, and we don't have to bring up the name, I don't even know the name. Don't really care. She is a realtor. she knows better, you know, and for her to start to pressure our city manager, pressure you or anybody for $10,000 at the end of a thing, maybe
that's why she went through her requirement because she knew that if the board of professional occupational regulation got a hold of this, they'd have a problem with her license. They'd be reviewing her license in front of a board of their own, >> you know, wondering if she's doing the right thing. So, anyway, I'm a little
blown away by it myself. >> Yeah, the whole the whole situation is is a little bizarre. Um, you know, at the end of the day, there is no signed contract. Um, you know, there's a couple proposals submitted, but again, from from her perspective, and I haven't spoken with this Paul guy, um, but I
think probably from his his perspective as well is they are under the assumption that they they were okay to proceed for whatever reason again. So, I I want to make you guys aware what I found out and kind of where it is. Um, Nancy, did you have anything you want to
say on that? Someone has a question of me. >> So, you know, I don't >> Any comments of how we deal with this? >> I can fill in some gaps. >> What's that? >> I'd be happy to fill in some gaps. >> Since I was uh involved with a lot of
this like I like you said, I had met with I worked with the county for a couple decades. Um and the county has worked with with a lot of developers, a lot of real estate agents. Um they came to me saying that there's interest in in
the west coast not just Paul France could be uh Guy Harvey Park they've been working with the county they were working on anlo park they actually contracted me wanted me to build a boat for that park because I'm the only one contracted by the state of Florida license to take people out to the state
park anklo they I facilitated it with a friend of mine Ed who Andy met as as well as he met with Adam and Consuel at the ice store. Uh he was very excited about meeting with um with a couple people
representatives. Um as far as the contract as as far as the drawing goes, I don't know what the conversation exactly Andy had, but I know he was excited. He wanted to move forward with this. We had uh business owners and property owners that had met
and and talked to them. They were very excited. And the reason Apollo France came up because a lot of highly experienced hotel executives been had very good success with them and developers and county's had a lot of good success with these people with
development out Moffett, but the hotels, public centers, a couple hotels up on 52 and and the they've had a lot of good sex success with these people. They have decades of marketing experience, global marketing experience with Paradise. Paradise Marketing works with Pasco
County. They were excited because of the fact that they've been trying to help Fort Richie develop commerce and bring in some tourism of some kind. We're perfect location because they don't bring any traffic to our citizens. Our waterfront's right on 19. They
wanted to do something here for a long time and they came to me saying that they have these opportunities whether it's Paul France guy Harvey right now they work with Margaritavville and so is Frank Ramaldi so there's a lot of opportunities what's important that I
think the council should hear what they can do and have a presentation on how important it is to improve this commerce down here on on water and how they can help do that. a hotel, the [laughter] bed tax will help bring that bring the
revenue also to market it. >> Uh the county pays for all that. All we do is enjoy watching our business people succeed from that. >> You're going to develop a brand and that's what we were trying to do. And Andy was very excited. He had mentioned
how Palmetto has great success down there with a hotel in >> Marott Convention Center. >> Marriott Convention Center. these type of things have helped these communities and he was very excited. He was saying he wanted to move forward because we got a lot excitement from property owners.
That's what I was under just now. I don't know if that what the confusion thing was with you and her. I don't know. I I just know that you were working with her >> and she was telling me that that she was very excited because of the property
owners were very excited about this coming down there because it's going to help our business and while we owe our business owners down there um the the the due diligence to hear how Paso can help us in the state of Florida with all this these decades of experience with
these developers and marketing people and and how we can benefit from that. It's something that we should do and I think we should bring them in so at least they can tell us how they can help us whether it's with Paul of France or whoever they deal with a lot of people
but the Paul of France structure was very very unique. They've had a lot of success with that in other areas and the business owners down here really like that idea. It would be unique and it's something if you're going down 19 it's going to look warm, welcoming and a lot
of fun and people want to be a part of it and commerce is going to want to be a part of that and that's something that would help grow our commerce um exponentially and it would cause a brand that Paradise really was excited about promoting
uh for for the county. Adam and I it's been about a year. Adam? Yes, >> that we went out to Pasco at a round table and we met a with a little bit of Paradise Marketing out there to talk about co-op. We introduced ourselves out there to a lot of business owners in in
Pasco County and everybody introduced themselves. When we introduce ourselves, they all want, hey, how's it going? You got anything going on there? We need to meet with you before you leave. Everybody in this county is excited about what might be happening out here, waiting for something to happen because they know how unique it is. So, like I
said, they can come in and explain how we can benefit from it. And I think we need to hear what they have to say. At least for our business owners, we own that to see how we can work with these people. Doesn't cost us anything. As far as the design goes, my understanding was
that he can make money. There's people in the own property that are interested in him designing hotel for them. They own property here and they own a business here. other people were all also interested in doing that too. So he was going could make money off of those
people when they if they hire him to help design a hotel >> that wants to work with them. >> He wanted what they wanted to do and what the county had recommended and everybody recommended it would work better if the concept was in the whole district and just like one piece of
property and that's where we were excited about that. >> Yeah. I mean part of my charter sir is I've been told since they I got here. It's the the crown jewels, you know, develop the waterfront. Exactly. And if a councilman or the mayor says, "Hey, you need to meet with this person. Of
course, I'm prodevelopment, pro business, pro increasing the tax base." So, it was all with good intentions and I wasn't trying to disparrage the person who doesn't want to be named. Uh it's just it's a huge misunderstanding that I don't understand, but I take it that it was >> well and and I don't know all the
details. I know you were you, like I said, I went I worked with Andy on this whole thing and I have a friend of mine, Ed was with us. He helped me with a lot because he knows a lot of people. >> Yeah. Is he is he part of the >> Ed was used to be a head of EDC and he also was >> Oh, that's where EDC came in. He he got
you. >> Yeah. But it wasn't EDC. He was he was a member of the and he also was the director of Pasco Tourism and he was like my partner. I facilitated a lot of u uh of his clients coming from all around the world to visit and uh I
showed him the coastline and a lot of different things of that that nature and I've helped a lot of other businesses here. So that's why a lot of people on a waterfront know me. So they were willing to meet with these people. They got very excited. So Andy was excited when heard
about the concept and he had met with Consuela, Adam Thomas with my friend Ed and talked about we need to maybe set something up in December to get together because I've been wanting my council people to hear the details of how they can help. It's very important.
>> I think that's the only missing piece here. We don't know anything about it. >> I want you to trust me. I've brought this up a few times. >> It's like the cart and the horse here. We got the cart rolling down the road. >> I can make it make it easy and and she wants to have that workshop. They can
come in for like half hour, 45 minutes, do a foundation explanation to you. You can ask some basic questions and it'll like wow and give you something to think about. >> So we can we can definitely invite Pasco Sports Coast in here for an agenda item to present how they can help the city.
And again, I think that I think the the disconnect is is, you know, when we talk about these other property owners or whatnot, we don't we don't play in their arena and we have we have a little third of an acre property. >> I I explained that right from the
get-go. And Andy knows I did. >> We don't own property down here. >> Yeah. >> You need to talk to the business and we facilitated that. And Andy set up Zooms and and but they were all excited. They all been welcoming wanting this for decades down there and has been like
stalemated. >> I'm tired of stalemating it. >> I don't care. Maybe we don't want to do it, but the business owners want to do it. They have a lot of experience. These guys professionals. >> Well, what's preventing the business owners from doing that? >> Nothing. >> But like I said,
>> yeah, Frank wanted to do this. >> He's one of them. And so is Mark. So is I mean Whiskey Joe's is waiting to see. They're like, "Yeah, right out of the city's like they ain't they'll never pull their head out of their ass." Quote, you know, that's how they feel about it. Mike and Tim Low are excited
about doing something. Instead of putting a high drive marina, they're talking about maybe putting a resort over there possibly. But the whole concept would make it work better. And what what Paul did, he put together u and I didn't
tell him to do this, but he he was very excited about looking at at the waterfront. He did Zoom meetings with people and and everything really clicked. I think it might be fair if you guys want to talk to him in the Zoom, maybe explain things. Maybe there could be an explanation to that.
>> Have you seen this this product? It's >> No, I haven't. And be fair, this man does this stuff and typical little drawing of a district probably like worth $150,000. As we're putting trees on the median, we're paying $4ome,000 just to put to get designed trees in the
median. This guy's designing a whole waterfront with a concept. So that's worth about $150,000. He wants to present it to you, but he can come in and say, "This is what I want to do. This is the whole layout. Give us the whole layout." And we say, "Thanks, Paul. Appreciate that. Look at this. Let's
>> Well, he wants he wants paid for. >> He wants to get covered a little bit for what he did is what my some But I didn't tell him to do it and he was excited. But I don't know what the conversation. If he says he didn't tell her to do it, I fine. And I believe him. Like he said,
you should have a contract before you do that. I I all I know is I facilitated it. You went in the hospital. I went on vacation and now here we are. >> And everybody was excited. And I want from the get-go I've been wanting to bring them in so our council people can
know what's going on because it's important and I don't want to let this go anymore. Pasco County is willing to work with us because everybody in county wants us to do something. everybody that I've talked to. >> Well, what what specifically do they want us to do? Because that's
>> they want us to stimulate growth. And if we create, like I said, it's not if we'd let it happen. >> We did stimulate growth when we when we adopted a new land development code for the Cody River Landing area allowing up to 40 units of density if you come to us with a 5acre PUD. >> Right.
>> So, and exactly what you know, property has changed hands and that plans are coming forth. So we've we've we've done >> and that's kind of what we do and that was actually uh brought to us um from that actually Eric with Gilog, he's the one that signed it, but obviously in conjunction with Ryan and them, they
brought that ask for the city to to do something to help projects like that happen. So we created that contract. >> What is the difference between that development and Ryan Burke coming to the city and wanting to discuss developing Gild Dogs
when he didn't own Gild Dogs and those those conversations happening at that time versus having the conversations with hotel developers. >> Answer that. So, the difference is is that uh they had an active contract on that property and they had a due
diligence period and during that due diligence period they actually were engaging with the city paying our expenses for the planner um to to do all this work. They actually paid the fees. So, so we so we didn't discuss anything with Ryan Burke until there was a
contract. >> You say discuss anything with >> discuss anything regarding the development the Gildog property prior to a contract being signed on that. >> So, so Ryan again, you guys weren't here obviously. Um I think Ryan and his team, they met with each one of the councilmen
to let them know that they what they were wanting to do. >> Um >> I think that's what we're being asked right now is can we have a meeting? Well, Paul France they want to do just to get a concept. >> Well, Paul France doesn't own any property and he's not buying any property. >> Neither did Ryan. Ryan went to the
newspaper >> at multiple properties. I mean, she did call me. This woman did call me >> another meeting that there were three properties that they were looking at. Three, not just one. We're talking about things that aren't even on the >> I was I was told that there were three. So, if we could have conversations with
Burke prior to a signed contract on a property, I don't see why we couldn't have a conversation about this prior to a signed contract because as of right now, we don't know what the three properties are. >> Yeah, we you could have conversations >> conversation when they brought $20,000 of bills forward. That wasn't a
conversation. >> So, I think >> that was a shame. >> I'm just saying so we can all get on the same page right now. Nobody knows any story is different. >> There's two different things. I think there's two different related but two different things and they write none of this on the agenda but >> there's someone asking for payment we
need direction on >> what you might think right now your direction that anymore >> your direction might be we want to talk longer and more in depth about that >> okay the other thing is what you're asking for you've asked for it before bring these whomever these folks are bring them in let them present whatever
they want to present so everyone's on the same page everyone knows what's going on and collectively you can decide is this something the city's interested in is it something the city should be doing or not. So, it's two different things. And I think you want answers and I get it, but >> this is comment time. So, I think the
idea right now is if you're not ready to say, "Hey, pay that bill. Don't pay that bill." Not even a bill. Pay that amount, don't pay that amount, and you want to talk more about it, I think we asked to move this to December 9th or some other day to have that conversation and set up a workshop or whatever you need to have
the conversation, the bigger conversation. >> I'll clarify that. I vote we don't pay bill right now. You bring those people in so we can all get on the same page. That's what we're trying to do. >> Yeah, it's important and and like you look at a lot of successful cities, a
lot of them will have a concept of this in a park or a certain district that people appreciate and we can set up to where if you want to build commerce down there, it has to fit in with this neighborhood. We can't make people do what they want to properly
commercial realtors. That's all, you know. >> No, we're not. But there's a lot of people that that are and they know a lot of people and they know a lot a lot of developers and hotel executives with decades of success in in in developing communities. >> So if if we can get them on the agenda
and get them to come in and talk to us about how we don't pay anything. We didn't set up anything. >> I think it would be fair to set up a Zoom with Paul at that time, too, if you guys want to just hear what he has to say. just unfairness. >> I don't mind hearing, but I don't mind
if I don't like somebody billing us for something that >> ask them about it. >> I mean, I don't even know that I I don't if if if there's a thing a decision that we need to make as a group or a team, you know, I would love to be able to talk to them, you know, put them
on the Zoom, whatever we need to do. Let's talk. Let's find out what they have. And I don't want to shoot down anything you're bringing because I like all the excitement of this stuff. I just want to make sure we do it in the right order while we're understanding what's going >> right. Well, like I said, it's not something that would cost us money. Like, it's up to the the developer, I
mean, the business owners and developers that want to come into this community if they see this is what we want to do as a city >> that you're going to go into this in fairness to all the other business people that are in this district, >> you need to have something that
coincides with that district. >> So, so let's let's take this late tonight. >> All right. That's all. So by consensus there objection to putting uh Pasco EDC sorry Pasco Sports Coast on the agenda to come in and and tell us how they can help us one. >> Any objections? No.
>> Okay. So if we make sure we get that on agenda. >> Um any objections to um what was the second part that you suggested to have a discussion on this actual proposal? >> You need you need asking us to pay. Someone's going have to respond to >> Yeah. Let's let's um >> disable the payment.
>> Yeah. Obviously, we're not going to do any payment because there's no path to that, but uh if we could by consensus agree to have uh Paul of France or whoever uh talk about their proposal, what explain what they were wanting to do for us or whatever and we can have that conversation at a later date. Is
there consensus for that? >> I'm I'm I'm good with that. >> Okay. Can you can we have it if we can do it by the same day as a workshop so we can all be here have the set of separation? If I may, I think the problem with your workshop is there's already a P, right? And you're going to
start at three for a CRA topic, which may not take that long, but you don't know that. And then I think there's three or four topics for the next workshop. Um, again, you can't judge how long that's going to be, but then you have to go into a council meeting at 6. So, I think that's that's a very full
>> very well. important thing is maybe Andy if if it maybe if it's after the first of the year if you get a date as soon as we you get a date let me know so I can get a hold of these people because they're busy and give them plenty advanced notice on what time and day to be here I think it'd be easier to
>> I would say setting it up I see he's got the contacts facilitate setting that up and we'll get on an agenda >> okay >> that's all I have >> motion to second >> I motion second all in favor signify by saying