We are It is 202. Sir, turn your mics off. Turn yours on. Yes, I will. I will. Turn it on or off so they can hear you. On or off? I w off or off. No.
This call to order city of Port Richie City Council special meeting Tuesday May 20th, 2025. Like to stand for the pledge to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Madam clerk, I have role, please. Mayor John Coover here. Vice Mayor Chris Mayer here. Councilman David Mueller here. Councilman Robert Huard
here. Councilwoman Lisa Burke here. City Attorney Nancy Meyer here. City Manager Matthew Cppler here. Thank you. Okay. Okay, first I have comments from the general public. I do not have any signed up. Is there anybody like speak? Seeing none, I bring it back. Uh
comments from the city manager. I pass Mr. CP for his comments. No comments. Okay. And we'll move right along to council business. Uh first item, actually we got old business, but it's out of order, I think. But first item of business of council business selection of interim city manager. And
that's all right. No problem. Um so did you want to do a quick introduction of that or just I'll take Okay. So obviously this morning we went through individual interviews with everyone and so what I thought we'd do here is invite each candidate uh to come up and uh tell
us a little about themselves uh open opportunity for council have any questions and then we'll roll through the entire slate of candidates and then we'll have some discussion after that. Um so why don't we go ahead and do the virtual candidates
first and let's start with uh Mr. Tang. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. My name is Yeah. Go ahead. Give Yeah. Give us one second till we get you up on the screen here. No problem. Okay. Everybody got
it? Am I good? Yep. Okay. The floor is yours, sir. All right. Thank you. Good afternoon, uh, mayor and city council. Um, my name is Darren Tang. Introduction. Um, I've been a city manager for 10
years. Both in Colorado and Massachusetts. Um, over those 10 years, I've worked for my most recent um, position. I worked as a city manager in uh, a town uh, in Cape Cod, which is a historic beach town um,
in Turo, Massachusetts. that community has a lot of similarities in terms of size and some of the complexity in terms of uh coastal environment that you see in Port Richie. Um, and I will just say that I I've had um some experience in
terms of uh my time uh in the area of Fort Richie where I've I've visited both as a military officer and um with um friends um in in job job searches in previous previous years of my of my
career in the Penllis County and Bas Pasco County area. So um terms of um my experience uh obviously sort Beachtown uh with similarities in terms of that um related to Port Richie but also in terms
of infrastructure economic development um experience in other communities as well and taking projects from development from vision to completion. Um, and I think
those provide some good good reference to um, you know, what you might need in the next 3 to six months in terms of the transition uh, for your city. Um I said you spoken to all the city
council members today and there's specifics in terms of your um your need or your timeline for your city manager recruitment but I've given general um feedback on my availability
during that time and so I'm open to other questions related to that um today. Okay. Thank Thank you. Um, so I'll open the floor up for any questions. Council has good. All good. Okay. Thanks, sir.
Appreciate you. Okay. Uh, so next up we have let's go with uh Mr. Brillhard. [Music] Can you identify what the agenda format's going to be or we have to interview each of them first and then
somebody's room or Yeah. So that was that's why I ask you any questions. So we're kind this kind of interview. Did you did you have a question? No, we can go through and let them We can also do it this way if you'd want. Go through and let each one of them talk and then we can call them back up for questions if you'd rather that way.
I'm okay with the format you have right now. We have questions for each individual. Yeah. If we have questions for each individual candidate, we can talk to them now. Okay. So, did you did you have any questions for Okay. Okay.
You have Mr. Bhart ready? There going to be an opportunity for them to ask us questions. We can do that too. I can open that up because I thought I think it'd be beneficial to have a two-way dialogue. Yeah. Mr. Bhart, can you hear us? He's in the meeting,
but try to message him if you want. Well, where would him? Uh, Mr. Tman just to to close that loop. Did you have any questions for us that you wanted to ask? No. No. The only question I posed um earlier was
and it would obviously be beneficial to all candidates is just uh you know discussion and consensus on what you're looking for in terms of timeline for um the the interim position. Yeah. So that's all. Yeah. So, I can um I can tell you kind of what the thought
process was. Obviously, with Matt, our current city manager, leaving at the end of the month, um the goal was is let's let's cast a net, see what uh kind of candidates are out there and see if it possibly get somebody in here ideally to spend at least a week with him uh before
he leaves. Um that being said, if we, you know, if that worked out, great. If not, we need a little more time. Um we would do that obviously. So if that's this kind of first round obviously is to see if if possible get somebody in here before he leaves just for some turnover. So and then going forward
obviously we would discuss what uh what that format might look like. Make sense? Yeah. Thank you very much. Yeah. Okay. Did we hear Mr. Bhard? Yeah. I see him. There he is.
We should start with Oh, he's online, but he's not responding. Oh, there we go. Yes. Okay. So, the floor is yours. If you could just tell us a little bit about yourself and uh why you want to be the inter city center manager here for
Richie. Yes. Good afternoon everyone. Thank you for the opportunity to be with you. I'm getting a little bit of I'm going to turn my volume down a little bit. After graduating from the
University of Cincinnati, I'm a bachelor's degree in administration. I was trying uh working in the public. You might want to you might want to mute your sound maybe because it's uh it's
it's echoing. Now we have no sound. He's got two on here. So, I'm trying to make sure. Oh, you probably kill one of them. Yeah. Oh, yeah. There's two. Yeah. One second, Mike.
[Music] He's back there. I need your help. Fix it. I muted him, but I can't unmute him. See how he's got two?
That's better. We're good now. Okay. Thank you. You You go ahead and start over if you want. Yes. Again, good afternoon everyone. My name is Michael Pearl Harris. Um, after graduating from the University of Cincinnati with my bachelors in urban
administration, I began a long-term journey of working primarily in the state of Florida. uh worked for Penllis County, high writing grants, putting together stud division regulations, concurrency statements, uh serving as a
legislative liaison and meeting with all of the communities uh within the county on a penny for panel sales tax distribution. From there, which was my local government beginning, um I've had a lot of success and enjoyment
performing operations on services on a day-to-day basis. for cities and counties. U Richie seems like an ideal fit for me in that I served as an interim city or county manager on five occasions and know how to hit the ground
running and I would be able to do that with the city for as long as needed at the desire of the of the council and can serve uh as a permanent city manager in his job. Sir, I love the G Coast. Um, I love the
people of the G Coast region and feel that I would be an expert to this organization and appreciate the opportunity to provide my services and to interview today. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Uh, anyone have questions for
Mr. Bro. No. Did you have any questions for us, sir? Um, wanted to say again, thank you for the opportunity to interview. Um, if you've got any questions either now or there's a followup, I'll be more than happy to address them. But but in
looking into a job description for the position, again, I have had tremendous success and hit that in the ground running knowing what the city's needs and I feel that I could work very effectively with council and staff. Okay, thank you very much. Okay, we'll
move on, Mr. favors. He had two up. So hopefully when he you have this weekend, it might might solve the problem for Mr. Edwards. Next. Well, good afternoon, Mayor U and city
council. Uh grateful for the opportunity uh to be invited uh to have a discussion with you today. uh one of these uh very highly qualified uh candidates that are looking for the same um opportunity. Um
I u am a 19 year over 19 years professional um I'm born and raised in Florida. Um and I have worked mostly for Florida local governments u for about that time. uh starting with my hometown
of city of Leburg. Um that's after completing undergrad at the University of Central Florida. Uh received my bachelor's in public administration. Um and then from there going to Marian County uh and more recently the city of Newport
Beach and throughout that career um I have you know really worked uh with economic development and community development. Uh I think facets and capacities um gone through the planning stages of
of communities that where they are and um where they want to be. Uh had an opportunity to work with all kinds of commissions and councils um of different spectrums politically and and understanding how to be a student in the
midst of those very um changes at times. Um and also adapting to, you know, the the unpredictable uh like certainly our weather events here in the state. Um and just having good success working with
local businesses and citizens alike uh and communities uh where there's a strategic plan uh where there's a master plan in place. We're even having to work on developing a strategic plan uh for the community um to help enhance the
local um economic trajectory and certainly look at ways to make the community stronger, more resilient and sustainable over a period of time. Um, prior to my time, just after the time of getting with the city of Detroit Beach's director of CRA and economic
development, um, I was able to get my masters in business administration, uh, from the University of West Florida Panhandle. Um, and so from there, I've also taken continuing education courses here and there as well. Um, but, uh,
this is a unique opportunity in Fort Richie. Uh, I think it's a it's a a very uh unique community uh that is that is in the midst of a growing county uh in Pasco and I believe there's a great opportunity for my skill sets and the
needs of this community and this this council uh to align and and make Fort Richie a better community than it already is. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Um any questions, Mr. Okay, you
all. So, thanks, sir. Appreciate you. Uh, appreciate your interest. Okay, with that, we've got uh the rest are in the room with us. And so, uh, I'll bring up next Mr. Butterfield. Welcome. And I'm assuming that mic's
live, ready to go. Hot seat. Hot seat. Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. and low chair. It's like a confirmation hearing. So, uh, I'm Andy Butterfield. It was a pleasure meeting individually with each of you this morning. And I'd like to thank the mayor and the and the each
councilman and each staff member I've met today and I've met several. Everybody's been very gracious and uh and uh welcoming and kind. So, and uh they seem like they like what they do and enjoy doing it here. So, that's a
good reflection on on the city. Um I was a career military officer and a pilot and a manager uh all through that time. And uh so I think I bring a wide experience base to uh municipal government. I ended up working for my uh
chosen hometown of St. P Beach as the operations manager for a little over four years and then I worked at the Manatee County government for a year as a a deputy county administrator and a chief of staff. Uh I think my background uh I'm used to getting a new assignment
every uh every two to three years or less. And so uh I feel like I'm very able to jump into a a place where I don't know a lot about yet. Uh, but I would be a quick study and uh and learn as quick as I can. And I would lean on the staff uh
the experts to help the generalist uh to feed information to the council. And uh uh I'm very good at at I believe at uh the two-way street of communication, good listener and uh and a good uh communicator passing on what people need
to know. Um not perfect, but uh always trying to get better. And it uh it feels like the the the tenor here is it's a kind of place that it's really good, but they want to make it better, the town and uh and the government. So, uh it feels like it would be a really good fit
for somebody like me at a place like this. Uh I understand you're uh you need somebody quick. I am available, but I know you also want to get somebody good. And I haven't gotten a chance because some of the guys uh zoomed in, I didn't get a chance to meet them, but invariably at a at an event like this,
you you meet other guys and you're very impressed that there's a real professional class of city managers that uh I think you're in good hands with, whoever you pick today, from uh what I've seen from the uh the colleagues that just talked and getting to know Mike, who's following me uh
next. So, uh, I know you'll you'll be in good hands whoever you pick and, uh, I hope it's a great fit for the city. I'm available for any questions. Good. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. And finally, we've got Mr.
Mclofflin. Welcome. uh mayor and city council. Thank you very much. And uh let me first also uh echo the thanks of all of us candidates. Um I'm aware of you know being part of these types of processes before in my career. I'm aware of that you not only
the critical function that you're um fulfilling for the city but also uh how the the demands it takes upon your time uh for taking out a whole day. So I understand the critical task but I understand the demands it takes upon you. So thank you very much for doing
this so so that each of us can come up and uh speak with you and present ourselves. And I'm aware that you know you've all uh we've talked individually uh about uh many various uh different uh topics and I know you've got a copy of my resume uh before you. So I won't bore
you with anything that we've already talked about. Uh but I would like to bring out uh maybe a few uh topics that we haven't yet covered. I uh am on the personal side. I'm blessed with a fantastic wife, three great kids, and uh three awesome grandkids. I've been in
government service since 1987. Uh within that 38-year career, uh over 30 years of leadership, supervision, and management experience. Um I served 31 years in law enforcement, the last nine and a half years was a
chief of police before retiring in 2018. I've been uh serving at the municipal management level uh for the last seven years successfully. Uh my education includes a bachelor's degree in criminal justice administration as well as a uh MBA with a concentration in public
administration. Uh and I've a member of uh the international city manage association since 2019 as well as the uh Florida uh Florida City County management association since 2023. Thank you very much for uh the time
you've given all of us today uh to come present ourselves to you once again. Uh and I am open for any questions that you may have. Any questions for Mr. Mclofflin? You good? Thank you. Thanks.
I think he's out there. Okay. So the uh next thing we need to do is we can open up for discussion. Um and see amongst ourselves what uh what you guys are thinking. There's a couple different
ways we can we can do this. Um we could we could do a poll with like we did um on paper and kind of come back and take initial tally and see where we're at. Um couple comments I would I would make. Um, I know that, um, when we when we engaged in this process, the the hope
was is that we would get some candidates and if we get to a point where this there's a good one, we put them in place and actually could spend some time with Matt before he leaves. Um, I think of the group that we have, uh, only two of those could possibly be here. I think it was by Tuesday. So, that that would, uh,
that would work there. Obviously, um we had a couple candidates that we we chose to um interview that uh one's out of the country and so we weren't able to interview him for this time frame and another one dropped out. Um so if we do
do a tally, I think one of the options that we put in there is to u select a certain number of candidates, maybe one, two, we can figure that out. And then uh a defer as well. Put defer in there that we would basically go back maybe look at
uh I know John Manning was still interested that we hadn't got a chance to talk to him so we could possibly do that. The the the caveat being is that Matt wouldn't be here to do any kind handoff if you would. Um but
actually I'm not I don't want to rush the process either. Yeah. One sec. I didn't want to rush the process either. uh we need to make sure we get the right person and so we we do have the ability to have you know someone else act in that capacity while we find that interim
as well. So that's kind of where my head is. Um what's your all's thoughts? Well, if someone didn't couldn't be here before he leaves, they could still be on the phone and there's a lot of other options besides I mean that's not the
one reason to pick somebody. So Right. For sure. But I'm sure Matt would be okay with that. Yeah, I think even for some time afterwards he'd be traveling, but he'd be he's contactable for sure. Three candidates here said they could
start Tuesday. Two, I think. Andrew, Andrew, Darren, and Michael. Was there three start Tuesday? Yeah. Michael, Darren, and Andrew. Which Michael?
Michael. Yeah. Michael Michael as well as Yes. Darren I of course Darren you can correct us wrong. It says that he can arrive as soon as housing lodging is available within a week of selection. So
right you're in and you're in California correct Darren? No in Connecticut. In Connecticut I'm in Massachusetts. Massachusetts close to Massachusett.
Sorry, I was close. And again, so and that I don't want to make that the main requirement. Obviously, that was I guess the ultimate goal. Obviously, we want to select the right candidate even if they would be here in time for Matt leaving, but that was that was the initial rush
to see what we we would have in front of us to to possibly make that happen. Again, not not a requirement by any stretch. So, One one thing that I had asked Matt uh that individual that was uh out of the country unavailable if they had if he
had sent this questionnaire to want to delay the process and get that information because he was originally on our uh list. I I think it might be fair to consider all the candidates that rose
to the top from our first pass. I don't know what your thoughts are, Vice Mayor. In in my opinion, we have two candidates right now that have rose to the top of the crowd and they're here. Um, they're they're either online right now or in this room here. And I
think it's our responsibility to get somebody here sooner than later to get them with Matt almost immediately. Um, so I think what we need to think of as a council is how do we make that happen? What's the best way to make that happen right now? Beautiful thoughts, Lisa.
Why why don't we do this? Um like I'd mentioned we can if you could pass out piece of paper each one of us let's write down um two two yeah top your top two and
uh Bob could put his in the chat I think you have to keep it all these all these the things you have to keep. So either print the chat or use have you email to Yeah.
and tell Ashley to write it down. Probably email that way she can just have a record of it. So send you send Ashley an email with your your top two. And in that top two, um, defer would be an option as a candidate and that we that would be an option to defer the
process until we look at uh any initial candidates or or what. Okay. [Music] You want to do three? Let's We can always will it down after that if you want. Is that any objections to three? Can I ask Matt a question real quick?
Yeah. Matt. Um, Michael Brillhard can't start for three or four weeks. Um, but the possibility of him commuting and I I appreciate his um devotion to the job
he's at right now, which could reflect on what he does here. If he worked with you uh before you left, your notes, emails, talking to you on his time in your spare time, would that work, do you think? Yeah. No,
it's, you know, I I always make my phone available for the communities where I'm leaving. So, you know, we'll figure it out. It's going to be a little bit difficult. Yeah. It's going to be a little bit difficult during June because I'm going to be on a different time schedule.
Right. Well, we do have qualified people sitting in the room. So, I was just I was just thinking about that. Thanks. Yep. No problem. Okay. So, is there is there objection to three that like say we will it down from there. So go ahead and pick three and like I said with so five cans we have
three virtually two here or defer would be an option to put in there too if you want to defer the process. Okay. You don't have to but yeah have up to three. That's in no particular order right. No particular order. And we'll tally them up and then we'll come back
with and look at that tally. Yes. What? second. I wish Bob your email your choice. is correct. Oh, perfect. Thank you. [Music] [Music]
[Music] I forgot about you. My goodness. Oh, he's way behind all the rest of us. Sorry. You don't count. I don't matter. You don't matter. You don't count. Here you go.
[Music] whoever that was black or Yeah. So, so I actually got stuff on top. So, let's see. The the second set. That's the top is my initial. Okay. Gotcha.
I was going to put this up on the screen, but some reason it's not letting me edit this. So, There we go. [Music] [Music] I'll show it to you in just a second. Okay.
What are you doing over there? Take them off. Sort. Okay, I'm gonna share my screen. They're like, hurry. Oh, I know the suspense is killing everyone.
Where's my meeting at? Okay. So, we had both Andrew Butterfield and Mike Brillhart with four, Mike McGloth with three, Darren Tangan with two, and then defer one. So that's where we're
at. Thoughts? Bring up questions. Let you guys Well, one question is we have I like Andrew Butterfield, too, but he's asking for 180,000 a year. can ask whatever I think that's conversation we have to
have. Yeah, obviously um it' be once we make a selection and possibly I assume a a backup selection uh we start negotiation process on on salary, right? So might maybe we uh maybe now we um we
drop the bottom two off and we come back and pick one a piece. Yep, that's fine. Sound like it. Okay. So, we're gonna uh we have Bfield, Mike
Gart, Mike Mclofflin. Um we're going to do another round. Each council person pick one and then we'll tally those up. Same thing. Bob, you'll email yours. [Music] Can you guys see the chat?
Mr. Edwards wrote in the chat. I saw something came up there. Did he drop? He just said, "Mayor, city council, and city staff, I want to thank you for your consideration." Yeah. So, obviously, uh, Mr. Tman, Mr. uh, Edwards, um, we appreciate your interest, obviously. and then
um good luck in your search to state council for your consideration. Okay. Pick one. We're going to pick one, but do we want to come up with a backup position in case we can't come to negotiations? Um, well, unless if we're
all unanimous, then we can go through another round for backup. But if there's a couple in there, then we can talk about making one primary, one backup, right? See how the one want to pick two. One for primary, one for backup. Or three. All three of these are really
backups. Could be backup. There's only two, right? Just pick one and we'll see how it ties and we'll see where we're at. That's fine. It's better. Yes, me still. Let's try What do you do?
[Music] [Music] [Music] Okay. [Music] Share. Okay. So, we had uh Andrew Butterfield with four and Mike Bhart with one. Okay.
So, do we Someone want to make a motion for uh Go ahead. I'll make a motion. Wait, wait. Oh, we got to do a motion first. All right. Thank you. Go ahead. I make a motion that we move forward with Pander
Butterfield as our interim city manager. Motion would be to negotiate negotiation. Correct. Staff to draft the contract to negotiate negotiation. Yeah. Last time with with Matt, what you did is you appointed one member of council to work with me to help negotiate the contract with the incoming
potential city manager. That might be what you want to do this time. Yes. We want to direct your motion to include that. Author comes from you guys, but collectively it's hard for us to do that unless we sit here together. Do I get to do that? I want to. I would love I'll make the motion and I'll be the layers on the council working with that to
negotiate. Second. I have a motion to second. Any further discussion? By any discussion? Okay. Any public comment? Seeing none, I'll bring it back for a vote. All in favor say five by
saying I. I. Opposed. Motion carries. And now uh do we want to put uh forward a motion for a backup? Well, okay. Is that a motion?
Was that your motion? Motion to make the second choice with Michael Butterfield. Okay, I second that. I've got a motion and a second. Any further discussion? Any public comment? Seeing none, I bring back for a vote. All in favor signify by
saying I. I. Opposed. Motion carries. Okay. So staff will go forward and work with Chris. We'll get his contact information and we'll start. Okay. Welcome, sir.
And just to all our candidates, obviously, thanks for your interest. Um, all very wellqualified. Um, everybody a little different obviously. Um, it's a tough decision to make. Um, but we appreciate your your interest in the city and and uh we wish you well in your
further searches. So, okay. Thank you, Mike. Yep. With um with that, I get to my thing here. I'll move on to comments from the mayor and city council. I'll start with
my right with Councilman Mueller. I'm done. Okay. Well, I could bring up an issue that's uh I had an opportunity to uh present our uh adopt a street adopt the park program at the uh the
west coast chapter of uh Salt Strong last night and they overwhelmingly uh wanted to participate, wanted to be involved and I indicated that we'll have that paperwork back so that a
formal process can be applied for. And I kind of talked to them about the loose uh rules that we talked about about four times a year cleaning up our park or road. Um and they indicated they wanted to do that. Overwhelmingly, they were
really interested in taking Brasher Park on as a project and being able to uh keep it clean and potentially the road Coons Road along there. Uh, one thing that they did point out is there is a
uh a little wash out there on the west end by the pavilion where the concrete barriers are there. Um, if that could be, you know, potentially a load of gravel in there probably could address that. And one of my pet peeves and I
don't see our I do see now is trying to get the mangroves cut down to the minimum length. Uh either uh using an external uh vendor or more importantly maybe encouraging uh to get that expertise in house so we don't have to
pay an a third party to address it. Uh so that we can actually have a sunset view from that park. I think that would improve the looks there and uh potentially continue to move forward. I indicated that we are looking at potentially bringing a floating dock out
there uh for kayak launch and the bathrooms are being discussed. So anyway, that's the update and like I said, they they really want to participate, want to help keep the community. And I think those
relationships with these clubs and other organizations in our community uh help help build our community. Okay. Thank you. Uh Councilman Hbert, I'll turn it over to you. Have anything?
No, not at the point. Okay. Councilwoman Burke. Nope. Nothing. Vice Mayor Mayor. Vice Mayor. Mayor has said I mentioned that. Um, I just want to tell you all coming as a a new person to the
board, the way that we handled this was stellar. It was excellent. Even with all the drawbacks and the fall apart and the drop things and all that stuff, the process was good. Thanks to Matt, thank you for everybody participated in that. George and Ashley and S and uh and you, Mayor, thank you so much for all your input there. Really made a difference
and I think we've made a great move forward for the city and I'm thankful that we made the decision we did. Okay. Um I have uh one thing about I brought up about the remote town halls possibilities. Um and so I've talked with
um named Cindy. Yeah. Cindy, give me your last name. Over at the uh Cindy Boy. Yes. Thank you. Over at the mobile home park across the street and they are excited to potentially have that. Our next town
hall is June 3rd. Um, did you find out any logistics wise? Is that Yes, I spoke to her yesterday. There is um Wi-Fi access and she does have a PA system. So, we would be able to bring um a computer over there and set up for uh
YouTube. Okay. Is there any objections to holding our June 3rd town hall at the mobile home park over there? Not at all. Okay. And so, um, with that, if staff could kind of figure out what we need to do, lo logistically talk to
them. I know that they're limited on parking. Is this a Did you When you told Cindy that they're okay with people from the community coming in as well, right? Because it's it wouldn't be just for the mobile home park. It would be for I didn't I don't think it would be a problem, but uh yeah, that wasn't I
didn't know to bring that up to her. So, I can call her about it. It has to be open to the public. Well, yeah, it has to be open to the public for sure. I just didn't I don't I didn't know if she assumed it was only for the mobile home park or for Yeah, everyone. And I and I I think I told that, but just reiterate to her that um that council's approved
to have it there on June 3rd. And just reminder that the public so everybody will be anybody from the public can join. Will we have Zoom access to that? Yeah. So, how do we It will it will be it will be a Zoom meeting. Yeah. We'll take one of our Zoom cameras over there built with Wi-Fi and it will it will be
this camera going over. So, will we be here? No, we will be there. So, will we have a computer in front of us? No. No. Okay. If you won't bring your laptop or whatever or something like that. I got paper. Yeah. Analog steady.
So, obviously if there's something you want to bring paperwise, we can print off, but you know, it's town hall. It's open agenda, so it's really just residents asking questions. It's just us taking notes. So yeah, exactly. I I do have one more thing. Sure. Uh I would like to personally thank each candidate
that actually participated in this event and appreciate you uh being making yourself available so that we could better understand each of you. Uh I know we had come to one choice but uh I think
all of the candidates the five on the list were excellent fits for this community and uh sadly we can only pick one. Um but potentially you know every time you go through an interview process you learn stuff you get better at it and good luck
to the remainder. Appreciate your time and efforts here. Okay. Um, another thing about going back to the the candidates though, since since we selected Mr. Butterfield, his earliest available start date May 27th, obviously, how fast can we get something
worked up? Hopefully by the end of the week. I'm available. I'm like, the three of us will chat when we're done and get things moving forward. I'm going to take Matt's version and cut and paste in the room as long as we get the number we get the numbers done. Well, you got you
can't you don't have to leave until 4:30, right? That's right. So, essentially, we've got and m and the rest of you maybe can work it work it out this afternoon. We can try to and have another special meeting. Can't do that without notice. Have to notice that. We can have another special
meeting properly notice. You guys appointed me to work through that negotiation. Yeah. Well, so that was a motion and so I I did have a comment about that. So, obviously when I was uh when I was elected two years ago, we went the same process. Um and uh uh Vice Mayor Claire in time did that
negotiation. Uh I can say that I I thought that should be me. Um but I say I don't have a problem with somebody else doing it either. Um she you obviously prefer to do it. That's that's fine. I don't like being the most senior person on council not having direct
input in that process. Um so that's kind of a concern of mine. So I don't I don't know if ultimately the agreement has to come back to council for approval. So you you get to say, you know, okay, we see what you did here, what we think this other
thing, and we can talk it through. And yeah, the problem, I guess, they could slow it down. I have no problem submitting to you, negotiating it back. I will do a great job for it. You want to do it to do it, but I would do a great job. Just the only reason I bring
that up obviously from the history perspective of it, I kind of know the other salaries, where we've been, what's going on budget wise, since you're just brand new, obviously. um that you might not I mean I wouldn't do a job do a good job but um you need to motion the hand
well it's not that I just like said I it's um I think probably backgroundwise and that from the city perspective might be better if it was if it was me since I can't talk to you outside the meeting that's that's a big
thing we can't it would be better if all of us could sit in a room and talk about it to be honest that's way I'd really rather do it and and and maybe I guess it would be unheard of to have a conversation now. I guess well we're in meeting right now. We're going to stop this we could continue on the conversation and Matt just brought up a
good point. Um what you some as a as a council you need to give whomever you decide um is going to do the negotiation from council's perspective some parameters of salary range so they have somewhere to start. I was going to use what was advertised. My understanding is
that's a pretty broad numbers. So you might want to that a little bit. Let me ask you direction. Are we is that um with sunshine are we able to go into executive session for that negotiation? No.
That's it. Not negotiation of a salary. Not for not for this. And so obviously whether it's me or or or Chris, um you guys work that out. That's come back to council for approval. There's no way he's going to be able to start on 27th because we
wouldn't have another meeting until next Tuesday. 27th. So that would be the meeting. Um so is there could we have the discussion here and try to come up with a number? I don't know. Is that Yeah. pass it on
here session still and he's here. I'm sorry. Go ahead. Want to make sure. You're good. Yeah. I just I would love it if we just called him up right now. Let's get having this conversation right now. We're here Sunshine Law. It's I would love to do that. He's a phenomenal individual. I think he's got depth on his vision and stuff. I don't think it's
all about for him. It's not all about the money. Yeah. Why don't we do that? I like that better. Supposedly, just one of us. So too. Um, and would you mind come up the hot seat? And now we're going to discuss your contract terms. I don't know if you were prepared for that or not, but uh, no pressure. Should
have left you had a chance. So, um, on the the questionnaire that was sent out, um, there was uh, uh, compensation expectations of 15,000 a month plus one a.5,000 a month per housing statement for the first six
months. And then that um, a straight fee was acceptable. Well, you weren't looking for any benefits. Correct. That's kind of where you correct. I don't need any health care or anything like that. Okay. Do we have the I may I appreciate the faith and confidence in
the council. Thank you. I hope we can come to arrangement here. Um do we have what the the benefits? So if it was a straight line salary plus benefits, what that plus would be? Andrew [Laughter]
Adam or Andrew work that out real quick. Yeah, we kind of know that number what that because if we're doing straight line obviously we can we can bump the salary up to compensate, right? If there's no benefits. Well, let me ask this. And you are you uh do you want
benefits or you don't want benefits? I I don't want benefits. I already have health insurance as a military retiree. Okay, perfect. All right, so let's let's get that number and see what what that would be so we can take that consideration. If you wanted to call it a housing stipend, a benefit. I I also wrote that in that. Yeah. Yeah. So what
And so where do you live at now? Written in stone. It's uh it was just the you know. Sure. Where and you you live I live in Sarasota County right now. So it'd be a little difficult. It was two hours this morning to get here as far as your city. So you're uh and you're
available to serve up to six months. We consider extending beyond that if So are you interested in a permanent role if we decided that was something we wanted to do? I I said no because I thought you weren't looking for that. Well, so again I have no expectation. I just I thought six months was reasonable. Talk to me if
we I guess the question is are you you when you are you definitely don't want the permanent role? Uh, at this point I don't because I've got a life down in Sarasota County that I intend to be my long-term if I ever retire. That's
perfect. I just need know that obviously it says we sort of plan. Yes, sir. So, what I would see based on that is is we'd bring you on, right? If we come to terms and then we would immediately go out to a search firm to search for the Yeah. thing. I thought that was the
intent. Well, that that is that is the intent, but again, if it if a candidate was somebody that wanted to permanently wanted to permanent, I mean, I would probably ask council one second ask council that um maybe we hold off on putting out the the search and kind of do a see how it works. And if it seems
like a good fit, maybe we could extend that and and make a decision later on to do that search. But, um I'll see if it's something that you don't want, then we'll basically uh we'll probably that' be the first thing we'll do is we'll put out search firm to uh start looking for the permanent. Okay. Okay. And it's always better obviously if you have an
interim that's not interested in the permanent otherwise if they are it kind of pollutes your your ability to pull good cans in because they'll think that they'll be a leg up. That's part of why I applied because I could do this short term and and it seemed like that's what you wanted is somebody that wasn't
um eyeing the I just there's some people in there that applied that would have wanted it as well. So I just want to know where you were at, right? Because that makes a difference in how we Now my mind could change. I think I said earlier I could fall in love and so but right now I want to give you guys the
flexibility to to find your next I think it's great question. Can I comment on our conversation earlier? Yes, sir. So I I um after extensive conversation with Andrew, you know, Andrew's intent is to come in here and just help us get to where we need to go, but he's also
open-minded to see maybe there's something going on here that he's supposed to be a part of. So it's not like he's shutting it down. So, I think we let him get his feet wet and get going a little bit and then we start to make some decisions from there. So, I guess your intent would be you still would would have your home in obviously Sarasota and you would get something
permanently here for during the week. You kind of go home on the weekends or something. Yes, Mr. Mayor, that and I was I was open with that when that we talked about with some of your colleagues at least that uh we've got a lot of animals and acorage that um was our long-term plan. Yeah. But my wife
assures me she can handle all the chores I do for six months or maybe more. I she has my full encouragement to do to even apply to this. So Okay. Uh yeah, I would probably be down there weekends but available by phone and Okay. email.
Makes sense. Yeah. [Music] Did you commute through 19 or up 75? Uh this morning I came up 19 and uh took you to me 75. It looked like it was pretty close. It just depends on who gets the car wreck. So think about two
and a half hour, two hours. It was two hours and 3 minutes or something. I think traffic two two and a half. It looked like people coming south were in a lot more traffic than people coming north. against the grain. Kind of against the grain. Yeah.
What are the possibilities that we could get you with Matt for a week before he leaves? And his departure date is uh 30th. Yeah. So, if you you said on here the 27th, which would be Tuesday next week, right? That'd be our Yeah. I I put Tuesday
because Monday's Memorial Day. I assumed it was celebrated as a holiday. It's closed. And so, we if you were able to start on the 27th, you would have that day out. So you come to the council meeting and and that and you all the way through that Friday. So we a good four days with with him. Yeah. That would that would be optimal just to to learn
from I'll be a sponge and he's a bucket of water and I'll soak everything up I can. Yeah. Get a running start. [Music] So do we get right down into the nuts and bolts here? Well, is what it um he's
working on the the benefit. I like the idea that Chris brought up because if he changes his mind, it would be prudent prudent to maybe go two months without putting a uh feelers out for a permanent
replacement. Let's see how things go. I I don't know if you'd be able to. Uh I mean your your decision I what I assumed when I saw the advertisement was that you wanted somebody right now and I'm semi-local so but that I assumed you
would hire at the Benzinger firm and then proceed with the normal thing firms I think that we've we've engaged with that we've gotten quotes on. So um obviously we wouldn't make the earliest we would make that decision would be Tuesday and and probably realistically next month at our first meeting talk
about it. I know that process can take a while months or more. So, at least six months. Yeah. So, I didn't etch those numbers in stone. It was just uh trying to match what I thought you guys were looking for. So, yeah. And I and I I think on that if if if let's fast
forward to conversation or whatever, knowing where you're at, obviously you're definitely okay with a thing. Maybe, like I said, fall in love it or whatever. I think during that process, like I said, over that six-month process, once we get down to that and we realize that
um maybe the chance we we have uh we don't fall in love with one of them, whatever. And obviously, he's still here doing a great job and he's interested that point, we can always reconsider them or move forward depending. So, I obviously what we're doing right now
gets us what we need for the immediate term, which is most important, keep us keep us going. So we can we can talk about that later. What did you get the number? So right now So right now benefit wise is FRS.
Yeah, he'd be about 51,000 780 bucks uh paying in FRS and then our health insurance would be about $11,000. So you're looking about $62,000 give or take benefit. The only issue that may come up is that I'm pretty sure our contract with FRS, if he's an employee
here and we pay him an actual check, he's required to have FRS. So that means he pays 3%, we pay the 34%. Now, if he's a 1099 employee, I'm not sure how we're planning on doing that, then he would be required to to get the FRS. But well, I
think if it was a if it would be a 1099 arrangement, right? If it was uh make him a consultant you I do have an FR 1099 and him when he's using all our stuff 1099 use they pull up in their own truck using their own equipment and all their
own stuff. Well the issue is going to be generally with with a a contract employee you can't say what their work schedule is. I mean that's the big dividing line between contract and employee. As an employee, you say your
time, you work 8 to 4:30. But with contractor, they they decide what their work schedule is. Even if it's in the contract what the work schedule is, you can't do that. Well, your schedule 7 by 24. Well,
yeah. I didn't know what what what my schedule is. Yeah. What what did you say the all in just the FRS portion was? Uh 51,780. That's at the city city manager. That that's annualized, right? Not we're talking six months.
But he's working backwards to an hourly to figure out what Yeah. I want to know what because that's we're basing this on a yearly rate, right? A yearly salary, right? Yearly salary. Yeah. So basically whatever we pay Well, I guess it's going to vary that amount too, right? You're based on what? I base that on 150,000. So on
150,000 15,000 is 51,780. Now that's uh it it actually is going to go up in June. It changes every June. I don't have those figures yet, but that's what we're paying right now is the 51,000. There's Well, the bottom line, there's significant retirement cost. The the
salary expectations that I wrote down was assuming no F FRS. I do have an F FRS account, so I could take a lower salary and have it be F FRS time if I if that works. Yeah, I'm very flexible. So, you can also pay by the hour.
I mean, and that would kind of hit your contracted thing. you pay him by the hour and he works 40 hours a week. That's Let me ask this. Is there is there a way to do this where we don't have to pay the retirement? I have to double check, but I'm pretty sure that when you're contracted with FRS, every employee has to be But I
would I I could double check that. You don't know. I can double check that. Let me ask this. If we if we if we factor in the FRS, is that Uh I would think obviously we can bring on with F FRS but that's obviously a
significant portion of the Right. So I would bring down the salary that I wrote on the form. Is that is that something you okay with or would you rather have the straight salary? So can I interrupt here? So Gary uh Gary Adam you said 52
plus how much? Plus 11,000 for our insurance as of right now. So now we're 63. Yeah. He's asking insurance. What's that? I don't need the insurance health insurance. So, we're reducing it by that. So, so if you take 63 minus the 180s asked for plus the $1,500 a month
for 6 months, what's that number? Numbers. It's numbers. 180 minus 63 plus 1,500 at 6 months. Is that what you were asking for? So, it's that's about a 120 if I'm
doing math in public. more that it it that's um you're subtracting 63 but she asked for 180 that be about 126 if you're doing the 1500 times 6 months for the housing. What did your
wife tell you you had to ask for? He's a big boy. He's got it. So the question is since we're all here and we can only do this publicly, it's if you can go with or
without F FRS, correct? We we have the ability to not do insurance. Yeah, we you don't have to have insurance. You can opt and that's 1100 and that doesn't fluctuate based on the salary, right? Was it,00 or 11 grand? 11 grand. Sorry. 11,000 11,000. Yeah. So yeah, it doesn't matter. You
can opt out of it. Okay. which obviously he's you don't need that, right? Yeah. I'm not smart enough to know if it's better I take F FRS or to go straight without it. I I I think the latter. I think straight salary. You say you have FRS already? I I have an F FRS account
because you vested in it, you know, or I'm vested. Okay. Are you drawing off of it or? No. Okay. So, you still contribute to it? How many years you have of that? Just one then a few months. Okay. So, you got your vest one year vesting or whatever. So, one year vesting for the investment plan. Yeah.
Yeah, sure. I mean, from from a what what's better for the city is because it's kind of mox nicks to me, the a higher salary or the lower salary with the F FRS. So, I'm not just I'm just not real up on what how that hurts or helps the city. Well, from from our
perspective, it's the same dollar amount going out. So, it's okay. impacts you more than it does anything else. So, defers your income. Yeah. You got a significant portion of that going into your F FRS as opposed to in your pocket.
And you so this is with you thought it might be required though. FS worried about the FRS. I hate talking about money. If we were if you were to take it around, you know, that's another
fact that ends up being actually But but but we don't have we don't know we have that option. No FRS both ways. So you know we could he he doesn't necessarily I mean if you want to lower the F FRS part of it I mean how how quickly could you find out
that answer? Well we just we just looked it up is mandatory. Oh so we have to pay FRS but the thing is he can he doesn't have to take the 34% that we give to a city manager. He he can take a lower amount. I mean he's technically he's a interim city manager. he could get the 13% we give every employee that would only roughly at 150,000 that would be
about 20 grand if we could if we could adjust the match plus I want to I want to help him out as much pos he'd be required to pay 3% of his salary and then we match or we do the 13% which or it's like 13 well I'll tell you it's 13.63% 63% what we pay uh per employee.
So if we can get him down to that, not charge not charge the 34%. And that will lower his FRS. What's that number? Let me get it to you. Yeah. So at 13.6 63% at 150,000 you're looking at
20,445 again 20,445 at 13.63% 63% based on 150 150,000. Yeah. Sounds fair. Sounds fair. Sounds fair. Sounds good. So, do we offer him the 150 plus the F
FRS? Dave, I'm trying to get your numbers working over there, buddy. You're you're the only help we got right now. I mean I mean if if we're trying to back into a number with FRS and you're starting you start off as 180 is 180 the right amount
is it too high too low made a he's made a comment yeah he's not telling us it has to be 180 he's telling us he's trying to be reasonable I agree now I agree so right now what Adam came up with was 150 and the FRS is 20,400 so you're right back at what 170 or 170
170 uh and Correct. If you're adding the 1500, that's another 9,000. If you're giving in the housing, it's a 1,500 times 6 months. You haven't talked about that yet. And I and I would uh I hopefully that's not a taxable thing. Is that not right, Nancy? If it's a part
of a contract, it's not taxable. Like car allowances usually aren't tax%. just like salary. Yeah. Okay. So there's no benefit. So and rather rather than muddy water with a housing allowance, I would just regular adjust the salary to
be all all-incclusive. Mr. Mayor, if if I can, that was just my way of letting you know I I I needed to get a place here because I was two hours away. Yeah, absolutely. Doesn't have to be a separate Yeah. I just put kind of
wrap it all in, sir. Um, now an annual rate of 150 with the lowered F FRS rate sounds very fair to me. What was what was in Andy? Does that have to include housing or is that is
that less housing? I'm asking that would be helpful, but I I just would go out of pocket. So if we if we went with 150 plus F FRS um and no insurance so it put you about roughly what 170 right and you you say
uh we'll give him three months of housing sement for a thousand if you want. I I was just putting numbers in I had no idea we were doing this right well fill out the form Sunday. Yeah. And and I tell you the reason that um I like this is is that um I like having the
input of rest of my colleagues and this is great. No, this is this is right here where we get it. This is where the rubber hits the road. Okay. So she drafted right now. I I think I think Andy's being more than reasonable with us. I think what we do is we go with the
the 170. Just call it 170. Okay. And that includes the FRS. Okay. And um and we give him $3,000 towards his housing allowance. Which is that is that what you're asking for? Is that enough? Um
3,000. No. Are you talking about 150 a month? 1,500 a month for six months so I could, you know, live in a hotel or whatever I got to do till I get 15 settled. But I I offered But I
offered to lower that to three months, just something so I can so I can have a place to stay. So here here's here's what I'm So he's going to get he's going to get 20,000 roughly in FRS. FRS,
right? 20. And so what if we what if we went to um Sure. Well, and you're talking annualized. We're we're talking about a six-month contract. Annualized. Okay. All right. And we'll So if we did one
160 all in that get another 20, it puts him back a little bit over his 180 and that includes his housing. How does that sound? I think he's more than happy with that. Are you locking in this for 6 months? Because if he's here six months, great. What if he's not here
six month? Well, so the how's the contract get written on? Is it uh Well, it's month to month. It's month to month. Yeah, I know. But it's an annual contract. That's it wasn't how you normally do that. I guess it was normally I was been never done a short term like this. It's been
contract starts on this date and it's good until somebody doesn't want to do it and have provisions terminated. Right? So this is going to say starts on May 27th or whatever day decided good for six months. That's what you want. There be a provision there for both
sides to terminate should they need to six months. Right. So it's not definitely 6 months. It can be less than six months. I think I have 180 annually, right? Wait, is that Are you backing off for the the F FRS is included? Included
in that 180 included, right? And the housing stipen because we're at 170. We dropped another 10 grand on the table for the house. You got to back it off because the FRS going to be automatic, right? The F FRS is going to be automatic. So we need have to back it off of that. Yeah, but when Adam can figure out the numbers, it's 180 all in, right? We've gotten rid of a separate
housing statement and we're just talking salary. We're at 170 a minute ago and we added $10,000 for the for this for the house. We're going to get a little bit less than a th000 a month basically. So 10,000 for the housing, right? Um and then he's only looking for six months
help on the housing. So it's more than a thousand. It's well what we come up with you divide in half from his perspective, right? If it's only 1500 times 9,000 9 grand. Okay. But it but if it were to last four months and it would be four months, it wouldn't be six months,
right? Correct. In a monthly it's going to work in a monthly fashion, right? You're going to get a paycheck every month. Now, the FRS doesn't show up on his paycheck. The FRS is our match. Correct. Our match. Yes. We pay that monthly. Right.
So essentially that F FRS he doesn't he doesn't ever see that on his he sees it as going into his account and it's non taxable portion of his individual match. Yeah. Hey Bob, do you got any
questions or comments or uh you guys seem to be covering pretty good. It's a monthto month and you won't be there six months. You're looking at like 15,000 a month where we're at and that includes housing and FRS, right? Yeah. FRS will be on top of that.
There'll be no benefits. So, okay. I mean, that's that's what he was asking for. I think that's fair. Um whether or not he wants to stay or not, that's irrelevant right now. We don't have to 15,000 on a monthly basis for
the next 6 months or four months or however long it is. And we do we did we did we put a range out on the advertisement at all? One of one of the other applicants said there was a range published up to 210.
I want to say correct, but I didn't I didn't see that. What was the F FRS total? Was it 22 grand? It was 2545. 2445 here. Figure figure what the FRS will be on 160 160.
2000 and be and be job sure on these numbers. Measure twice, cut once, while they're figuring out their numbers. Let me ask you a question. Sir number the ask is $1,500 a month for six months, right?
As a housing, tell me. Okay. So So that's 9 G's. Okay. And then um the F FRS they came up with was 20,000. Okay. Yeah. Annual, right? And then the
number we came up with earlier was 150. So there's 170 plus 9 180 all in. We should be on the same page. Yes. Yes, sir. So, the Are you okay with that? Yes. Okay. So, if he's okay with it, what's what's the
number on 160? Uh 160 has uh FRS come out be 21 808 at the 13.63%. That would put him at 181 808 minus the I mean not taking any insurance. That's what you're trying to do is put it all in there, right? Yeah. So, figured 181 808. Now,
give me FRS on 155. 155 2112650. That's 21 what? 2112650. So 26. Andy, you want a pen and paper so you can write Do you want a pen and paper
for Do I have down? Do I have what, ma'am? I'm sorry. Want a pen and paper to write anything down? Um, why we're talking? All right. Now, now give me uh give me uh 158. It's exactly what I was thinking.
158. 158. That should put us right there. That' be 215354. [Music] So 179535. So if we do a salary of 1585 1585 plus
1585 we do 155 give me 1585 please Adam 1585 I'm doing my final numbers 1585 right if I can have that be 2160355 21603 60355
plus 1585 plus 1585 How much is that plus 1585 what's that that's the number We started out with 1585 plus 21603. That's 1803. Thanks. 181
1803 55 180 180 $10355. So what I what I was what I would suggest that takes over um there's obviously you know this is a this is a well experienced salary for sure. I I would just drive it to 158 and
it just be a little bit less than 180 be about there. Keep it even. I don't like weird numbers, but now is that all in with the housing? Yeah, that's all in. So, if we went to one if we did a 158 salary, he gets F
FRS, no benefits, and then we can look at um Are you okay with that, Andy? I sure am, Vice Mayor. Perfect. Thanks. I'll make a motion. Okay. We pay him 158 salary. Salary plus
the stipen which is going to be what Adam says it is and his job depends on it like you said. Right. I think you could just say with FRS with FRS and that's all in. That's all in. That's all in and happy with that. I'm happy with that. Okay. Okay. And so so essentially
that includes the housing allowance. That includes the housing allowance. Correct. Okay. And so the impact if it was six months would be right around 90,000. Yeah. Right. Don't forget we're going to have one week of overlap and then and then there's and no insurance. No, no
insurance. Okay. Yeah. He doesn't need it. Yeah. So, there's that motion. Is there a second for that? Second. Okay. Motion second. Any further discussion? Hold on. Just so I'm clear, uh, we did the 158 even. Correct. And then with that Okay, gotcha. Then whatever it is,
it is. And then any public comment, huh? All right. And I'll bring back what the motion is, please. So the motion is for $158,000 salary and includes FRS benefits, but no insurance. It does not
include plus FRS benefits. Plus FRS. It does not include FRS. He's going to get FRS. So 158,000 salary. He gets FRS, but no insurance. That's correct. And that includes the the housing allowance. It's all housing allowance. No separate
housing allowance. Yeah. comes out to 180,000 and can we put that as 13.63% F FRS cuz we good point that again 13 13.63% right he gets the lower match which is
the 20ome thousand what it was do I have the motion for that as amended with the 13 whatever match 13.6 you say 13.63% 63%. Yeah. And and then obviously if that moves up to something different in June, whatever that Right. works out
to be. Okay. Is there a second? That was you, Dave. Right. Yeah. Any public comment? Put to vote. All in favor signify by saying I I opposed. The motion carries. Any other contract items we need to talk
about as far as um your sick vacation personal a lotment? I left what um divisions Matt had. What do we have in there for time? Vacation time shall acrew at 1.67 days a month. Um that's
for total 20 days annually. Um sick time is 1.25 days a month for the city's personal manual. Sorry. Objection. Keep that same. Keep the same. Go ahead. Yeah. Keep vacation time same as it has
been. It occurs at vacation's 1.67 days a month. 1.67 days a month for vacation. Thick is thick as 1.25 days a month. 1.25 days is sick per month. Do you have comments? Well, it was probably better if you want
him to be able to take time off not to do it that way and just agree to over six months you get a number of days. wasn't supposed to. I mean, yeah, that just advanced the
allocation across that. Those matters are inaccurate a little bit from what the I'm not sure where So, how how's how's policy work here at city? If you, let's say that you start, you need to take a day off, but it's different though, right? So, the way that those are set up are you're going
to be with us for a long time, you can't take any vacation your first year. So again, because you're looking at a short short stretch potentially, just find what you think, you know, how many days off per month that you want to give if you want to
accept how many hours and do it over six months those numbers of days. 1.1 vacation, you know. So, for instance, you know, it it annualized out two weeks or four weeks a year. Six months would
be two weeks for that. That six month period was 1.67 per month. That comes up 20 days per year. Okay. So, on on a six-month agreement, that would be 10 days for six months. And that's for vacation. So, I guess 10 months, you get
10 days. No, you go with that. How much you get? Six months. 10 days. Yeah, that you're good with that. Yes, vice mayor. And what was the sick? 1.25. So 1.25 15. So it's going to be I'll plan on not getting sick. Keep eating healthy. No sick days. No vacation days. So it's
it's seven days. Just give him seven seven days for one. You know, we could we could instead of splitting it up, we just give him days off. A day a month. Well, then you just cut him back some. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So, it
said So, he could actually use him for non sick if he wasn't sick as well, unless you want to force it in there. I think you keep sick days, sick days, and I think you keep vacation days, vacation days. You also have um personal dating personal absences for the old contract personal absences
for the city's personal manual and city policies applicable to city employees. I don't know what that policy is. So, Matt had one 1.67 67 days for vacation, 1.25 days for sick, and then personal absence as per the manual. We're not into that right now. We're doing interum, right? We're not pulling
a fulltime thing. I'm not saying you have to. I'm just letting you know is these are the benefits that are were discussed and and so we gave these benefits in in the memorandum we put out there looking for a city manager. Let's not we've got him agreed upon and what we've gone right now and we're
giving them sick and vacation days. I think we stop right there and move forward in our relationship. See how it works out. Yeah. Cuz we can sit here and keep giving you stuff till you're happy. But at this point, you are happy, right? Well, obviously he needs some time off
in there potentially, right? So, I mean, he's going to work five days a week and go home all weekends and take care of his horses and his wife and come back to work on Monday morning. That's what he's got to do. Animals need to be fed every day. Okay. So, just want to So, how would you
suggestion we do it? We just put a number of days in there for the year and then So, how's that work? Let's say that um let's say he he comes on board, we we uh put out for city manager, we go on
three months. So, he gets the three months. He gets paid out the the days or you you do you divide it up what time he actually worked? How's that work? Pro rated it. I think that that and if you
use it so take it back. You got to watch this guy. He's a Yeah, I don't trust him. So yeah, what So why don't we do that? So So it's 10 It's We It's 10 days for six months for sick, right? That's 15. We're going to
back it up to 10. No, it was 1.65 time 12 comes out of 19.8, which is basically less vacation. Let's start with that. Let's just right there. Let's just say that's 10. Six days was 15. 7 and a half. So now you
got 7.5. So 17.5 days is what he's getting. He's getting 10. He's getting 10 vacation days and he's getting 7.5 sick days. Days in six months. Okay. That's where we are. That's pretty much the same as what we had, right?
Is that okay with you? Yeah, it sounds great. Can you say that again? Sure. He gets 10 for six months. You'll make a motion. And if it's a year, it's double that. Yeah, I'll make the motion. I'll make a motion that we give Andy 10 sick days for the six-month period. So if it's a year, it's double. Okay. And we
give him 7.5 sick days. And that would be obviously if it was a year be doubled, too. Okay. You said sick days twice. No, sorry. The first one was vacation. First vacation. 10 days vacation 6.5 7.5 sick days for 6
month period. That's my motion. Okay. Is there a second? Second. Motion. Second. Any for discussion? Is there anything to uh maybe prorate that and let it earn each month whatever that number works
out to. And that way if he's here four months, you know, you you earn your vacation as you work. Yeah. I mean, I think what what the way I would like to see it in there is that um you know, depending on his tenure,
right? If he if he chooses a he had a PL vacation plan or something, he uses that up front that it would uh we prorrate whatever he would have actually earned and then if you use it more, you just pay it back. So he's just I understood if you use it all in the
first two months or whatever and you then you get it was based on a six-month thing and you only was you know you only stayed three you know three months of a curls back in the final check if he takes a sick vacation for the first month if he if he gets here day one and and he gets sick for a week which you
may so might get sick of this I don't know if we need to yeah it gives you the flexibility to take the time off but you're still earning it really so it's you're on the hook for it at the end I think Andy's going to work hard in this position is going to be just fine. I I look forward to not having to talk
about me after this session is Thank you. I know you've got to work through this and it's tough. The motion there's a second. Okay. And no further discussion on that. Any public comment? See, put the vote on favor signify by
saying I opposed. I motion carries. I recommend you take a break and give me a minute. Okay. So if we could more than a minute, let's recess for 10 minutes. I want to do this and let him have a chance. Okay. Do you want 20 minutes? 10 minutes.
It's 3 3:35 right now. I've been working as you guys have been talking. So you want till 3. Give me 10 minutes. Give her 10. All right. We'll reconvene at 3:45. Take a break. Bob, got 10 minutes. Bob support, sir.
Oh my good. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Wait, actually, let me get you to [Music] This one Can you hear me? You're on.
Whoever signed them up with FRS. Check that out. Sure. [Music] Can you hear us? Okay. Yeah, you're giving out your uh credit
card numbers and stuff on the public meeting. You weren't on You weren't on mute. You were giving out your passwords and stuff on on the public meeting. Oh, okay. That's all right. We've already bought a few. Yeah, I got some real nice stuff. Appreciate it. I'm going to forward you the agreement
to look at I see you. Please. Okay, we're just reviewing the uh employment agreement that uh Nancy has so quickly put together and we'll uh we'll come back to that when we're ready. Make
sure that under section two paragraph number two the third line there was a reference to a section I took out so I just took that section reference out but now it reads that no seance shall be paid unless later determined appropriate
Good. Just She got a couple changes. I made some corrections on land. Like right now, if you sign that, you're Matt Cop. I forgot to change his name. So, we don't want you to be Matt. We want you to be Andrew. Yes. You got a couple minor fixes once they are. It's nothing else in there that you
subst. Right. So once they tell me it's okay, we'll print print again. Yes. And then we'll get your signature and then we'll let you leave for today. Have to promise to come back next Tuesday. How's it [Music] going? Andrew, the contract says no
outside employment other than here. That does not mean fence fences and Oh, I can still stole the doors and stuff like that. Weekend cowboy activity. I can add that in there. You can still be a cowboy. His wife will make sure that trust me. Look, I'm not allowed to have
any of that. Yeah, that's great. Paying you. I don't know. Sorry, honey. I'm under strict contract money, right? No payment in kind. Oh, goodness.
have to hire somebody to do all that stuff Monday to Friday and realize what I'm worth. Yeah, you may have a house to rent, right? Long day online for right on the [Music]
golf. This would be quite the handoff process. Four days of like he's already started folders and stuff together, so he's well ahead of the game. Yep. Everywhere office.
Thank you. I see. Um I I have one question. Yes. and that opening term a term of service. Um since this thing automatically terminates six months or do we want to put some more extended?
I would recommend you probably if you want to do that we would revisit it at point time. So if we get close we would just basically all your all your your your numbers were just based on six months. That's fine. That's fine. We're going to know about more then anyway.
Yeah. comments. Hey Bob, do you have any comments? Yeah, my wife changed her password. That's probably that that's probably prudent. All were cancelled. No, I think we covered everything at the
moment. Like has to do a lot of work. Well, the work's the work's pretty much done. I just need a motion to approve contract as written. I'll make the motion we approve the contract as written. Second. Okay. Have a motion second. Any further discussion?
Any public comment? See none. Bring it back for vote. All in favor signify by saying I. I. Opposed. Bob was an I. Opposed. Motion carries. Actually, I'm gonna send
you this. This will not come back around on Tuesday, right? N tired. Let me Okay. Just a couple signature line. And I would I would assume on on Tuesday for our meeting, I guess we could bring
an extra chair up here. You guys could tag team up here to kind of go through the council meeting. That's right. I'll stay out there. No, no, I think you should be here. You're you're gonna have your last meeting. Okay, let's see what else we got here. Any other
comments? Any old business? Seeing none, I'll floor for a motion. Make a motion to second