It's called City Forward Community Redevelopment Agency Board Workshop Tuesday, February 3rd. Like I stand for the pledge. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all. >> Madam cler, please. >> Chairman John Eric Hoover >> here. >> Vice Chairman Chris Mayer. Let the record show that vice chairman mayor is absent from today's meeting. >> Member Robert Huard >> here. >> Member Lisa Burke >> here.
>> Member Christine Sullivan >> here. >> City manager Don King >> here. [snorts] We don't take actions here but Chris is in Virginia teaching a class. So I don't know if that if we need to next council may need to excuse him or if workshops
are outside the scope of that. But anyway, he's in class teaching. So, um, moving on, the, uh, one thing, if you're watching at home, um, we we did, if you logged into Zoom, you'll be able to see the share, um, very well on your screens. Um, but we also, if you're
watching the YouTube stream, um, we did set the camera preset to go to this monitor here, so you should be able to see as well on the YouTube feed. Just, uh, but if you're having trouble, obviously log into the Zoom, the links on the website. Um, with that, first up is comments from the general public. I do have two signups. I'll start with
Alan Rose. State your name and address for the record. >> Good afternoon. Alan Rose, one221 Hilltop Drive. >> And I have copies I'd like to present. >> Um, can we answer some copies coming in?
>> If he's if he's wanting something for the board, I would action it. I mean, >> okay. >> Get a motion to receive his handouts. >> I'll make a motion to receive Alan Rosa's paperwork. >> There second. >> Second. Okay. Motion second. First discussion. All in favor signify [snorts] by saying I.
>> I. >> Oppose. Motion carries. Thanks. >> This is the last minute fine for me. I didn't realize we were having the meeting and I said I've got something that I should bring to you. Okay. >> So, that's why I'm here. Um Alan Rose, Pasco Coastal Improvement Council. And
uh right now I've worked throughout our waterways for our 24 mile coast and I do have a particular insights into Port Richie and Newport Richie area here. And it's what that's what you have here broken out. If more is needed, I do have more but at this point um this is going
to concern Sims Park all the way out through all of our other parks. And I'll just read it to you. Basically, it's the uh the dredge from Sims Park out to the Gulf of Gulf of America, controlling depth of 12 ft and width of 100 ft, moving all past side cast dredging
remains and taking the spoils to Journey Key and the newly created offshore barrier islands north of the channel. Anyway, we're going to we're talking about Miller's Bayou needs complete dredging all the canals radius. And what
you're going to do here by doing this proper dredging here is you're going to recreate what should be in existence is a radial current from Miller's Bayou. That'll help keep the the quality of water. It'll improve your quality of water. Um and then you're going to take
extend Brasher Park. Brasher Park is huge. You can make that such a beautiful pristine park. take and extend that uh some 1500 feet uh west northwest ending at the mangroves of cow ki dredge basher
canal from Miller's bayou all the way to to the park and then west northwest to cow key and any mangrove displacement will be added to the park at best locations improving water quality and and flow to all tributaries
brasher park a dredge the north canal the north channel going to the EMC school using these dredge spoils from the north channel and Miller's Bayou and extend Brasher Park that additional 1500 ft creating a new more functional beach fishing swimming and recreation area
protecting mangroves, manatees, seagrasses, wildlife and other natural resources so prominent along our coast and we're going to go down to the resiliency in the back of Miller's Bayou. There's already an underpass but it does not
function properly the water and this will help your with your creation of the proper radial current millillage by um suggesting uh you add you have two underpasses and hook them up to the uh
Rasher canal and then that will give you a really good flow along Rasher Park and the fishing and the fisheries. You're gonna you'll essentially you're going to be creating a onemile beachfront half mile in each side. It'll be good for people to play volleyball, people to go
swimming, people to go fishing. You'll know to fish. You'll want to fish on the up tide on on the north side and on the flood tide on the south side and it'll be great for fishing. So uh
so that's so far that's there and dredge the main north canal Brasher canal DMC like I say west of the water. This is also going to help the state park to the north. All this water flow you're going to be bringing back the water flow and it will help all of the parks in the
area. >> Thanks Al. We appreciate the uh work pass coastal approval council doing. So appreciate that. Um next up I have William Barber. Welcome. He answered my question. >> Okay, thank you. Okay, that's all signs I have on a sheet. Any show hands? Anyone else I can
speak? Okay, there bring it back to comments from city manager. Pass Mr. King for his comments. >> Mayor, I'm going to turn it over to S and Derek here for these uh discussion points that we're going to be doing with the uh Tampa Bay Regional Planning Council for tonight. So, S,
>> is this board more board business? >> Yeah. >> So, so no additional comments besides business. Okay. Okay, so we'll move right to board business. Item number one, park plan sharet. And I will pass that over to Mr. Kerry to introduce. >> Uh, thank you. Um so they been working
with uh Derek [clears throat] Smith and myself with the Tampa Bay re Tampa Bay Regional Planning Council. We have uh Sarah Vitali and Allison Bedar tonight to do a basically what this is going to be is it it it's a park chet to look at
a 3D model that she will be able to show and we can manipulate on scene. It's pretty much a concept and we want we want to gather input from council. [snorts] Um Derek, if I'm correct, was about was it about a month and a half, two months ago that we had the the
public uh the public meeting? >> It's middle of December. >> Yeah. So, we had a public meeting in the middle of December to receive public input. We had about 20 25 people to point out ideas. Um Sarah and Allison were there uh to collect that data.
They've they've put in most of that data into this model. And now tonight, council is going to provide input on, you know, if you want something manipulated, changed, taken out, moved around, and then this way she'll have final guidance
to create a final model. So, we're going to present four parks tonight to go over. Um, basically, Olner Park, Brancher Park, Nicks Park, and Waterfront Park. Um, just remember that this is just an open concept. Uh, you pretty much have the ball to call where
you want something. nothing. >> This program that she's going to present is that everything is able to be manipulated. So, you want a sidewalk moved, you know, 10 degrees to the right, we can do that. Um, there is no final drawing here. So, feel free to,
you know, provide input and, uh, that way we can get closer to a final result. Okay. Let record show that vice chair mayor has joined virtually. So, welcome Chris. Vice Mayor, Mayor, were you able to hear anything I just said or should I repeat?
>> Very clear. Thank you, S. Oh, there you go. Now we can hear you. >> Okay. [clears throat] >> All right. So, I will turn over to Sarah and Allison, and they will begin presenting. >> Thanks, S. And thank you, Derek. Uh, let's do a quick audio check. Can you all hear me?
Yeah, we will turn it up. >> Yeah, I turned it up. >> Awesome. And just let me know if I need to speak more loudly. Uh, thank you so much for having us and uh I'm I'm joined today with my colleague Allison Bednar
who's also on the call and I'm going to share my screen and kick us off with a just a brief presentation to catch you all up on the work that we've been doing. Let's see. Let me know once you can see this well and I will go
ahead and jump right in. >> Yay. >> Awesome. All right. Well, good evening and thank you again. Uh we're here to to do a digital sharet and uh I'm really excited to do that and and fly you through our model and and the work that
we've been working on uh with your staff. Again, I'm I'm Sarah Vitali, the director of civic technology with the Tampa Bay Regional Planning Council. We have Allison with us, our GIS analyst. And for our agenda this evening, I'm
going to do a brief uh project overview into some of the findings from our workshop a few months ago. And we'll discuss some of the uh preliminary concepts that were uh that we were discussed in the in the workshop. and then uh we will fly you through this
live model and let you take a look and and collect your feedback and discuss some some wrap up and next steps and what you can expect. So, the Tampa Bay Regional Planning Council, we are a coalition of of local governments in the Tampa Bay region, uh
working with six counties and 23 municipalities, and Port Richie is our our newest member, and we're really thrilled to be able to support you all this year. Uh, Mayor Hoover is our representative on our board. And, uh, we were contacted about this
project, I believe, because of some of our prior work with the city of Newport, Richie. Um, and I think also because of our unique process of of co-designing with our governments, uh, allowing you to kind of jump into the 3D model with us and develop a site plan, uh, hand in
hand. But I did some work with the city of Newport Richie a couple years ago uh for the Rivergate Palm District plan. We made some some models and and they used that to uh take it to the next step after conceptual design over to engineering and and now you can see some
of the work that uh that's been happening over the last few years. Really exciting and and the transformation of uh their US 19 gateway uh entry area is is starting to take form. So it was really exciting to be a part of that work.
So the overview of the project uh so far we've conducted a preliminary uh strengths, weaknesses, opportunities and threats analysis and conceptual uh visions, excuse me, visions of each park. Uh we did a site visit and a community
workshop we're presenting to you all here right now. Uh and then after this we'll we'll uh put all of this into a final document report uh with the final SWAT analysis and all of these conceptual visuals along with the 3D modeling files so that you can take them
and continue to work on on this project and and take it all the way from concept to a built project. And uh I know it's an exciting time because of the CRA funding and that there's a timeline here that that this funding needs to be invested in the
park. So, so it's really an opportune time and an exciting time for Port Richie. So, when we began looking at the park, we started with the planning work that's already been done in the city. So, the community redevelopment plan and uh some of the takeaways from that are are these
top three that that Porici wants a connected city, uh an active waterfront and a place for all. And there's a lot to that, but uh stronger link stronger links between the park and the rest of the public spaces is a really key facet of that.
We did our initial site visit on Friday, October 24th in the morning for a few hours with staff and we documented the existing conditions at each of the parks. Took a ton of pictures which will all be uh delivered to you all in part of our uh documentation at the end of this project. So you have the existing
conditions of the park. Uh and we're working in Brasher, Olner, Nicks, and Waterfront Park. four beautiful, beautiful uh waterfront parks with an incredible opportunity. And some of the observations across the four parks is that clearly the
waterfront access is a defining community asset. Um and that but also that there's some infrastructure needs in each park. Um and the quality of the infrastructure varies from park to park. Uh you can see in the photo there's some
uh standing water in the uh disabled parking area in in Nicks Park at the top. Um I know the restrooms there's discussions of ways to improve the restrooms at at each facility, but this is a picture from Olzer Park at the center. And then uh the bottom picture
is from Waterfront Park, discussions about the kayak launch and how it needs to be repaired. So each park has certain strengths and weaknesses and things that in terms of maintenance and and improvements need to need to take place. So we've documented a lot of that. Uh shade, seating, uh restroom facilities,
uh and then they're limited. There could be expanded. Uh and then the several several parks experience conflict between the vehicles, the trailers. That's really to to Nick's park. Uh some of the congestion between the the voters and the uh residents and and visitors is
is clearly a concern in that park. So we'll have a discussion about uh the best use use there in terms of the boat ramp and how we can accommodate all these uses. And then the shoreline conditions uh there's opportunities to improve resilience and help with flooding uh while enhancing public
access to the waterfront. So the preliminary SWAT analysis strengths, weaknesses, opportunities and threats, strengths and weaknesses being uh you know favorable or unfavorable conditions that we should be considering and then in terms of existing conditions and then opportunities, threats thinking
into the future. Uh what are ways to potentially improve the parks and then what are some things that we need to keep in mind that could potentially be threats or may impede our goals here. Some common strengths clearly the views uh the sunset views the beautiful
waterfront environment are huge strength uh and then close to all of the neighborhoods in a walkable community that's that's clearly a strength and then the exist existing activities the recreational activities uh poor rich residents are really embracing uh these
parks and uh everybody is really clearly passionate about the incredible park um asset that you have here. Some common weaknesses, limited shade, seating and comfort amenities, incomplete or discontinuous pedestrian
connectivity, so sidewalks that just kind of end and aren't connected. Um, aging and and insufficient facilities. So, in some parks, uh, particularly Brasher Park, we don't have the restrooms. You know, there's opportunities here to to make sure that all of these parks are enjoyable and
comfortable, uh, places to visit for for all users. Some common opportunities We can expand some of the water access with kayak and paddle launches. Uh the boardwalks and the looping paths. There's opportunities to improve those and make sure that they're all connected
and that they allow uh folks to get really up close and personal with the water. Uh enhanced civic and educational andoriented uses especially around waterfront park. Incredible lawn large lawn space there. Uh I know that you
host a lot of events already there. So there's opportunities to um add to that and and also educationally there's a lot of natural um educational um things that are happening in the park, oyster beds, and there's opportunities to incorporate
that into the into the design so that people are aware and and can be educated as they're enjoying the park. Uh living shoreline. So, not just the gray and hard infrastructure, there's opportunities for green infrastructure, uh mangroves and and ways to naturally
uh protect the shoreline from flooding and protect uh the water from from the you know pollution from from humans activities and then opportunities to integrate the city's new branding. I the new logo congratulations really exciting. Um I I remember working with Newport Richie that was one of the very
first steps to their new brand and it really kind of brings everything to life. It's a It's an exciting time. So, ways to opportunities to incorporate the new branding into wave binding and signage um throughout the waterfront system. Kind of make sure that everything has a connected sense of
identity in place. So, we looked at other parks as well. Clearly, Sims Park, Newport Richie, uh and the splash pad and the playground, particularly the shade structures were were inspirations here. and their
amphitheater. There's a small uh stage. Here's another part photo from Sims Park. Uh thinking about the waterfront and and ways for people to comfortably enjoy the waterfront in the shade. Uh ways to encourage wildlife to to thrive as well
and enjoy those parks. And then uh there's some shade structures in that bottom photo that were some inspiration for us. We looked at Meadows Park uh and dog park in in Newport Rishi. So the the recent investments there uh you'll
notice the connected and newer infrastructure and more uh sidewalk systems. They have some interesting like tennis uh paddle board type uh activities happening here. So shared uses across the park as well as the dog park that's nice and modern. So that was
a really beautiful park. Got some happy people and happy dogs. Uh moving on to Lettuce Lake Park in Hillsboro County. Uh inspiration here was these boardwalk systems and and you know trying to find ways to make sure that when you're walking through these
natural landscapes, you're still comfortable uh and you're able to enjoy it for all all people of mo of mobility types can kind of enjoy the park in a similar way. And then the St. Pete Pier, the the newer investments in St. feet pier. Uh,
and then their waterfront landscapes were inspirations for for our concepts as well. Bayfront Park in Sarasota. So, they have this sunset viewing area and uh just a lot of really interesting new investments in Sarasota, Sarasota's
Bayfront Park. I definitely encourage you to visit if you're ever in that area uh to check it out. has been through a huge transformation and uh particularly inspired by their kayak uh systems throughout the park. Uh they also have kayak launches for people of of
different disabilities. So they can also have handicapped access to the kayak system which I thought was really neat, like an ADA kayak launch. And then Cascades Park in Tallahassee is uh it has dual purposes. It's not only a
beautiful park in their downtown, but it's also a storm water treatment facility, but it's the most beautiful storm water treatment facility I've ever seen. Um, it's got uh water features throughout the entire park that serve a purpose to uh clean from system to system. Uh, so it's like
a camouflage storm water function as well as a beautiful uh cascading waterfront park. Uh and then of course our amphitheater is a a clearly hot exciting uh thing to be a part of. I went to a lot of events there when I was living in Tallahassee. Uh it's a really
really awesome beautiful park. So common threats uh flood exposure. This is a map of uh you the the flood risks in in Port Richie. I'm sure everyone's aware of that. Um, so we have to learn to live with the water and there's ways to design our environments to make sure
that they're enjoyable, but they're also uh resilient when it when we have to deal with tidal influences or uh coastal storms. Uh so yeah, that that's clearly one of the largest common threats. And then uh we identify just the size of the
park. It's a little it's difficult to really fit a lot of different concepts in some of the smaller parks, but uh aside from waterfronts pretty large and a lot of opportunity there that there might be conflicts between the boat ramp and the facilities because just simply
because of the size. So that's one that one's more specific to Nicks Park. So I'm going to pause briefly if you have any questions for me at this stage otherwise I will keep going on. >> Any questions? >> Any questions?
Okay. Well, you can proceed. >> All right. Moving on to workshop finding. So, we had our workshop on November 13th and uh what we did is we reviewed the initial SWAT findings. There was a discussion of park by park all those
needs, opportunities and trade-offs. So, we presented just what I had talked about there. um identifications of some of the amenities and the improvements and then we explored these different concepts and where those priorities compete among the concepts.
We got a lot of feedback. I think it was well attended 25 to 30 people and then a lot of emails and and feedback coming to us in the weeks afterwards. And I'm still encouraging folks to send send us feedback. Uh you know, let us know what you're thinking. Uh we had a couple
worksheets that people gave us feedback on and then we had you know traditional sharet where everybody was sketching on the maps uh and coming up with different ideas on the spot. So that was a lot of fun. And some of those key themes that were identified is there's a lot of support for improving just the everyday
usability. That means comfortable places to sit, uh nice shady spots, nice clean accessible restrooms, uh just making everything a lot more comfortable and enjoyable. as you visit the park. So, some of the basics, uh, desire to preserve the neighborhood character,
particularly in Brasher Park and Ultra Park. Uh, and then the recognition that Nicky Park, is that the city's only public boat ramp? So, there's a lot to pack into that. You know, the only public boat ramp, is it the right uh place for the only public boat ramp? Are
there opport historic and cultural significance as as the city's boat only boat ramp? So, you know, that's that has inherent value. Um, but is there a way to design everything so it all fits well? You know, these are the kinds of uh
discussions that were had and uh something I'm sure we'll get [clears throat] into in just a little while. Uh, and then the interest in strengthening waterfront park. So, it's definitely capable of supporting those day-to-day uses, but also large events. So there's a lot of interest in in
making sure that we uh turn Waterfront Park into, you know, that postcard landmark for Port Richie. Next is our park concepts. Uh just an overview before we jump into the model. Uh I want to kind of explain up the
process a little bit more. So we have this four-step process. We've [snorts] already passed the initial layout level of design one, LOD1, where we're establishing access and the circulation throughout the site and some of those core activity areas. Now, we're in the
phase of level detail two. So, we're refining the concepts. We're introducing amenities and we're evaluating the alternatives and discussing them as a group. Uh after we've really decided that this is these are the concepts we like. They're in the right places. Uh
this is what we're moving forward with for a final site plan or or concept plan, we'll move to an illustrative detailing level of detail three. So adding diagrams and perspectives and finalizing all of those visual elements. And then uh four is I will will document
all of this into a nice uh not too long because nobody likes to read too long documents but highly visual uh document that summarizes all of this the recommendations so that you have this you can attach it to an RFP and the city is guiding and has had a hand in shaping
what they want for their parks. Uh and then you can send that out and and try to get some support to then take these concepts and uh you know put pen to paper and engineering design uh spec out the pricing of everything and move these concepts forward uh until they're
they're finally developed which is really exciting. So we're we're here to help you all uh kick that process off with our conceptual planning. Um but success for us is that you guys take these concepts and and move them forward and and build something
waterfront park identified themes. So I I discussed this already so I won't flavor this but uh usability waterfront access movement and connectivity resilience and shoreline stability park role and programming. And the vision for Waterfront Park from the workshop and
all its feedback is that it's the city's primary civic waterfront. Supports everyday recreation, community events, and long-term resilience as the centerpiece of the waterfront park system. Nyx Park. Uh Nicks Park serves as a
unique and critical role, the city's only public boat ramp, functioning as a working waterfront with regional significance. Concept strategies prioritize operational efficiency, public safety, and appropriate public access.
Rasher Park. Rasher Park is envisioned as a neighborhood scale waterfront access and passive recreation park, building on its scenic peninsula setting while responding to shared systemwide priorities related to usability, access,
and resilience. And lastly, Olenar Park. It's envisioned as a refreshed neighborhood waterfront park that prioritizes comfort, accessibility, and preservation of its smallcale residential character. So,
each tells a different story and and gives us a different sense of of its vision. Each has unique uh assets and and and strengths and weaknesses, opportunities and threats. And our role now is to uh jump into a group discussion and get your feedback as I
show you each of the conceptual plans in their draft format. And like Sal had teed us up, these are uh drafts and they're working documents and they uh are not static images. You can move around the model in 3D and and see
things from all different sorts of perspectives, which is great. It makes it a really essential design tool. A lot of the times you'll work with uh designers and you'll give them ideas and then they'll come back, you know, see you in two months, eight weeks and they'll show you a static image. Uh it's we're not doing that tonight. We're
going to show you the actual design models and let you kind of walk with me and and uh work on them together. So I'll I'll pause if anybody has any questions while I bring anything up, but I'm going to Oh, I have so many windows.
Just one second. I don't think we have any questions. So, whatever. >> Okay, cool. >> So, we we talked about the order in which to discuss the parks. Uh we're going to start with the lowest level of
detail at this stage. It's more of a blank slate. Uh and then we'll move uh to the other more detailed and more fleshed out concepts. But here we are in Olner Park in our 3D model where everything is to scale, but it's pretty
bare bones and that's on that's intentional because I want this blank slate so that we can have a discussion about what the needs and wants are that you all see from in this park. Uh so at the end of tonight, we have some good direction uh as a as a design team and
as staff what you all are are seeking in this park definitively. Do we want a playground? Do we want a new pavilion? Uh yes, that that's the goal for former park. So I will open it up for for discussion. And then I also have Oh, I
don't you guys can't see this, huh? No, you can see it. Uh I also have the Google Earth imagery so that we can look at uh what's existing now. Although this is older imagery, but that'll help us also as we're kind of flying around through Olner Park. And
I have Allison who's going to take some notes. And uh I apologize I'm not there in person. Uh I had a computer malfunction but luckily you all were able to pivot to Zoom which is really great. Um but I can't tell I might need
some help from staff on on kind of facilitating the the discussion there on site because as I'm sharing the screen it's hard to see everybody but I will uh kind of turn it over and open it up to the group. >> Okay. All right. So, just or Sarah, so we understand. So, you want us to kind
of give you some guidance on what we'd like to see in this particular park, right? >> Yes. I would like to know what you'd like to see and if there's a particularly strong feeling about where you'd like to see it. I'm going to be like designing and and making changes to
the model as you're discussing it. >> What was >> I mean, not personally. Go ahead. >> What was brought up in December from the people that were here? What did they want in this park? >> They were really passionate about the beach. That was the highlight. And you
know, don't change our, you know, don't take away the beach. That was the activity. >> Like Nick's park, the only boat ramp, this this Ozer Park is the only beach that we have right now. So, and we've I think we recently within the last year and a half, two years, I think we refreshed that with sand. Um I'm not
sure what shape it is in now, but um and how and maybe Style, you could speak to that. How's that look down there? >> Uh, public works just recently refurbished the be the beach area. >> Any way to extend it? >> Uh, not unless we were considering the
the property next door um to to go that way. We really can't go um any further uh into the parking lot part of it, but the only way to extend it is if if the if the board was considered that property next door um to go that way.
Um, one of the one of the open concerns is that we used to have a large gazebo um closer to the to the where the seaw wall kind of connects closer to the water there. Um, that gazebo has has been taken down due to just um, you
know, age and just rotting and coming apart. It was becoming a safety issue. [snorts] So, right now that's pretty much besides the flag pole that's there that that's pretty much an open slate. know if you have any input on that. Um maybe a refurbished playground, [snorts] you know, the size of Older Park pretty
much holds, you know, the the side of it it being a pocket park. Um there's really not much room to do anything, but we were just this is why we kind of wanted to leave this open for interpretation. during the the the public input. They were just more or less interested in keeping what has
already been established and just basically re revitalizing the the parking lot itself, which we have plans for. Uh we've talked about the fence that's going to be installed. Uh we have talked about, you know, the mural and stuff, but that's that's of course is painting and aesthetics. We're kind of
looking if you guys want if if anyone wants any type of uh structures or anything else added to this park so we can move forward >> is so how does that uh the the sandy part that we have there how does that hold up because obviously the waves stuff coming in or whatever it probably washes out but I was wondering if
>> as far as we set it back the uh what what what comes as far as high tide we've set the the beach part further further back so it doesn't wash away >> holds up pretty well I wonder if if if we could somehow I'll continue that on
back that sand area and maybe integrate the playground into into the into the beach if you will and South would hold up because it's all further enough back from the water that would stay pretty nice sand um and accommodate more people. What's y'all's thoughts on that? >> Yeah,
>> I mean you couldn't go any wider, but you could definitely go deeper. >> Yeah. And if we if there's specific type of uh playground equipment, if you will, that would lend itself to sand, um that might be a good option for that area.
>> I mean, do we do we know about the lot next door and what the um the numbers are on that? >> The city hasn't been given direction to do that. I believe currently, I think it's listed between 450 to 500,000, but
we'd have to um if the if the board wanted us to go forward, we can we can look into more specifics on that piece of property. >> I don't think it would hurt to just see what they're asking for it. [clears throat] there um isn't any of those Pasco grants
or anything available for that lot to keep it a municipal lot instead of a residential. >> That's something we can also explore and see if there's funds available. >> Yeah, I was thinking more on the lines of what we just dealt with on the other side of the bayou there. [snorts] Um, if
that same type of program was available for us on this lot here, it might get the owner what they want and the land swap, you know, through the county might be something that we could, you know, utilize to double the size of our lot [snorts] um and and its footprint. So, nothing
like making a park bigger that makes everybody happy and um gives us additional space there as well. >> Kind of changes the whole thing if you if you take on that other lot there. Yeah, you'd have twice the size about
>> so that beach could be expanded >> and the pool's still there. >> Okay. How about the uh playground? I mean for based off of the feedback from the workshop folks are really enjoying the act
mentioned uh we we would like to replace uh what was previously there no longer this new pavilion. So something that's nice and and comfortable and easy access to enjoy the water along the south tip of this peninsula here. And then uh
improved playground facilities is the next thing that we'll add to this model. [clears throat] The really small playground. Um there's a lot of nice shade trees uh here. So we could bring the beach up a bit but up to where basically the trees are so that we're
not affecting too many of these trees. Maybe up to here or so. I don't think this is here anymore. And then the last thing that we had talked about is parking can be a little bit of a challenge having to turn around a little awkwardly back here. Some folks aren't
don't love that turn around, a bit narrow. So I was going to look at instead of the angled parking like straight straight parking to see if that makes it a little bit easier and if there was any other ways to [snorts] adapt the parking to make that just a
little bit of an easier turnaround. You know, I always I always like the gazebo that was there. That was a nice place for that. I thought that fit well within that park. Um it it's obviously people want to go out and sit close to the water uh and have some kind of u you
know covered seating there. >> I I don't know if the right idea. What What are your thoughts? I mean I always like that covered gazebo. They had they have a nice look to them, but obviously you could have make something different as well. >> I was thinking of something a little bit of a, you know, put up some metal poles
with some shading with some, you know, heavy duty >> um almost like a, you know, UV resistant vinyl on it, you know, with some cables like they do with the car washes. >> And then you could put some seating underneath that, you know, some good weatherproof seating. Um, and you
wouldn't be into, you know, [snorts] something round, something a little bit more, I don't know. >> Yeah. People like to fish off there, too. So, it would if if you get in to where they had some uh some ways to have some covered seating and some some fishing.
>> Daryl mentioned uh and Daryl, our utility director, mentioned about like the same type of structure like a like a pole barn type of structure with a with an angled uh angled covering um you know, concrete slab, you know, several you know, maybe maybe three to four picnic tables set up there. That way
they're they're they're covered and stuff and pretty much serve as a multi-purpose type of area. Um, you know, and that way you if you um you know your people fishing or they wanted to have just a you know, small gathering, things like that or birthday, you know, could pretty much serve multi-purpose.
>> I like it. Yeah, that sounds good. [snorts] >> Yeah, like I said, I would probably get away from round the way it was before. You just if you do something more rectangular, you get more space utilized. [clears throat] I guess something, >> you know, rectangular or or even
triangular. What are your thoughts? Maybe just as far as something that was it would just give you a good dynamic look from the, you know, from the other side. >> Yeah. I mean, you as long as you had or even with trapezoidal or whatever, but as long as you maximize the the waterfront space there to where people
can get up against a rail or whatever, fish sit and watch the watch stuff going on the water, have whatever best seating area to maximize that space, >> right? and and get them some shade to get out of the sun. So if they're having a little get together, they don't have to get smoked in the sun. They can have
a little shade. Of >> course, they probably enjoy a little sun last couple days, but uh >> Well, yeah, but you know, give it a few months from now, we're going to be like [laughter] shade. >> What kind of trees do we have in that park right now?
>> Oh, coverage coverage. Sarah, did you say you had a Google overview of what we have kind of >> Can you see this when I switch to Google? >> Yeah, I'm I can see it. Yes, Sarah. I see the 3D warehouse.
>> Oh, you do? Okay, hold on one second. I'm going to switch so you can see all of my whole window. Can you see this? >> It's coming. Yeah. >> Okay. We got lots of really tall
>> some oak. >> But the sand could go back beyond those palms. >> But actually the sand could go >> Yeah. >> all all through the palms. That's when you go down to like Howard Park, that's a really nice beach and all the trees, palm trees are integrated into the sand. It's uh, you know, hammocks strung
between them. And I mean, it's it's >> I think that'd be really cool. >> Yeah. I think if you've expanded that that sand all the way back through there, it'd be a a really nice area. and then created some kind of a burm at the parking lot to keep the parking lot out of the sand and vice versa. >> Yeah, exactly.
>> Good. >> Because when I go to the beach, I like to sit under a tree myself. I don't care much about the sun beating down on me, >> but I'm weird. So, >> so all the way back to possibly over here and then uh the playground. Do we
like the playground being right where the beach is going to be? Would we like to see the playground maybe moved? It looked like in that Google Earth there was two playground sites at one point. >> Don't think that this one's still there. Oops.
>> I don't know that you want to have mulch in your playground. That's kind of like number one, it's >> sore on your feet. What about sand in the playground? Why not make the whole thing sand? >> That's what I was suggesting. the playground equipment be in the sand. >> Go ahead and rake rake the sand up, make
it pretty and just, you know, >> but if you make the play on the other side >> and make that everything from the bathroom back sand and then the playground up there because what else are you going to put there? >> So, a concept to move playground north.
Mhm. That's good. >> Or potentially a concept to just maybe an integrated with the beach kind of playground. >> Yeah. But either one's to good. Yeah. >> Sand gets hot. Rubberized mulch is easy for maintenance. So I think that's why they use it a lot. >> White sand doesn't get hot. That you get
down to you get down to um some of those beaches down there. What's it called? What's that white beach down there? Best beach in the world or whatever it's called? >> Siesta Key. >> Yeah. Siesta Key. They've got white sand and it can be, you know, 105 and that sand's cool, you know. >> Yeah. With a with a tree cover all
through there, it's going to stay relatively cool. >> I would say playground to the other side and then that area can be utilized for a lot more things. >> The only problem with the playground in the other side, Lisa, is you can't see your kids and it's over by the entrance. >> Yeah, you can.
>> So, if I had kids playing a bench over there >> and you sit you have to sit there and watch them on that bench. Well, I mean, when I if I go to the beach, I got half the kids up at the beach and the other half at the playground. I can't quite see both kids on both sides there. That's all I'm thinking. >> Well, you better get better control your
kids. >> Yeah. Longer. >> All my kids are grown. I'm thankful now they got to watch their kids. >> How about the signage? Uh, when you first come into the park, do we like that? Let me show you what it looks like.
And I know the fencing was a big topic last meeting. I listened to that. So I've got the latest there. Um but this is the entrance. Is there anything that you'd like to see in terms of improvements to the entrance? >> Entirely entrance like >> save nothing
>> start. >> It looks it look it looks Yeah, it looks like a prison yard. >> It really does. [laughter] >> Well, we we we we're moving forward on the black rod iron fence around there. >> Yeah, we got we got a beautiful black fence. more landscaping. It needs to be really
changed. >> It needs to pop. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And I wonder if the sign would be better in that on the other side in that that area. Kind of make that the sign area and then you can do some nice landscaping there on the >> probably a good idea >> for the park. And you can see in the
park a little bit better. >> Yeah. >> And then across the street, I know there's some something new. >> That's ours, too. Uhhuh. We We were looking at doing a community type garden there was the last thought.
>> Neat. Yeah, that sounds like a great idea. So maybe a Oh, wow. Look, you can see the old house. >> Can we do parking over there? >> Yeah, possibly do parking. >> Parking. >> I think the de restriction uh limits
what you can do there. No structures. I think I don't know if >> it's it's through the flood mitigation. >> Yeah, you could you could use it for parking. I'm almost positive. >> I'll have to see what the restrictions were or the D restrictions when the county gave it to us.
>> What's a structure? Could you do could you do you know like awnings and tables over there too? >> I think potent I think you potentially can do like rest facilities for parties and I'll read the so it's the flood mitigation assistance grant that does this. I have to read that language
again. Derek, what are your thoughts about the property next door? [snorts] >> Not the first time I heard it. Uh, I've seen it online going for about 500,000. We'd have to figure out what to do with the pool. So, that's something to figure out. It would take care of our our wall
issue as well. Uh, and we have uh money in the budget for a land acquisition. >> I mean, I think you demo the pool. We don't need the liability of a pool. So, you demo the pool, right? Yeah. I mean, I've heard ideas that you put
for out there, green space. You I mean, you open up a lot of possibilities. Get that. >> If there's water there already, water lines, could could you do a splash pad there, >> a small one? >> Just have to check with the building code. >> Was the home that had been there, was it
damaged in a storm? Is it substantial damage home? >> I'm not sure on that one. I have to check. >> I just seems to me like there could be some money at Pasco >> that would pay for that. >> Well, if we're looking at if we're looking at uh we probably need to figure
out that soon because we don't want to obviously paint the wall and tear it down either. So, yeah. Um, >> and then if so, and that we extended the beach along there, then the property across the street could possibly be um parking >> parking. Yeah. Exactly.
>> For a much larger park, a much larger beach >> and the community garden concept over here. >> Well, I mean, we might not have a community garden at that location if we needed it for parking. Mhm. >> I mean, we we could obviously
look at that, but then there's another side of that, too. That's a good potential waterfront home site, too, that um would bring revenue in the city as well. Um and we do have >> other parks that we can invest in. So, >> it's our only beach.
>> It's our only beach and it could be a bigger beach. And quite frankly, >> I I think it would make a better park than it would one homesite. I'm not saying it wouldn't make a good home site, but I'm just saying um what a great opportunity to enlarge our one
waterfront kind of beachy park, you know. >> No, I don't disagree. >> And over time, I mean, not wishing any harm on any of those homes, but over time, if more home or more lots become available, that could becomes become a
real uh beach area for the city over years and years. Mhm. >> Think think about this, Christina. Moving the parking across the street opens up the whole place to a different dynamic. >> I know. Yeah, that's >> And it's right across the street and it's a very low traveled street. It's
not You could put, you know, crossing signs and slow down, you know, all that stuff on there. But you could just use the the street across the from it from for some seating plus, you know, some parking, >> right? >> And then just you could really do something nice over there, you know.
Yeah, I definitely see it as better use for a park for extending the park than for um additional revenue to the city for a home. >> That's that's quite an opportunity right there. [snorts]
So, I'm hearing two big concepts coming through is we'll continue to improve the the park as as it's current layout. Looking at the uh tip of tip with something more inviting for fishing and
shade, seating, thinking about expanding the beach all the way through the palms. Thinking about looking at a playground here and or here. Uh, and then I'll look at the parking to see if there's a better way to angled or
not angled. That's one concept is just improving what's there. And then the second would be expansion into this side property and moving all the uses over the beach. You could have a bigger restroom if you wanted, but I think
that's probably satisfying the need. So, uh, have community garden over here and then use this for parking. >> If if we if we find out that the lot across the street can be geo web parking, um, and still maintain that natural green space and just make it a
geo web parking lot. Do you want her to go forward and and eliminate everything that's asphalt in in Olner? Because if we're going to if we're going to make that lot across the street, if we're >> I would say yes. >> You know what I'm saying? And then that way you have you have more green space to do to you know more tables more you
know I think >> cars out of that side >> just take them out completely right >> can take cars out of that side completely and make it very safe. >> Can you exact make it safe for kids and everybody over >> there too and so I've got some I've got public in here want to make some
comments too. So if we could uh once we get I want to let them know obviously as soon as we get done talking about this specific park I'm gonna open up public comment on this park before we move on. So, um, once we get to that point, I'll open up public comment. >> Um, but but yeah, if if we're really
thinking about expanding that or whatever, obviously there's a lot of stuff in play. We we need to move things and that I think we need to kind of explore that before we really plan too much into this particular park until we figure out >> I do the footprint >> because when I asked him about the
parking and he says maybe um but that's a lot between two houses, correct? Uhhuh. >> So, is there anything in our code something where that would be a problem that we now have a parking lot between two houses? Is there anything that we
need to look at before >> before we start any of these projects, we had to reszone them anyway? They're all all of our parks are either uh res 2 or commercial for whatever reason. They should they should be really like open space uh on on a use. So, we're working on that as well.
And one thing you could also do with all this extra space is make sure that you have enough of a buffer between the property once we're taking out this parking lot. You could have a nice like landscape buffer to >> Yeah. I just wanted to know if there's
anything specific to not have a parking lot between the two houses on the other side with that lot. I have the deed restriction here and it it so it spells out what you can erect uh as an improvement and it says a public facility that is open on all sides and functionally related to a
designated open space or recreation use a public restroom or a structure that is compatible with open space and conserves the natural function of the flood plane including the uses described in another paragraph above and approved by FEMA administrator writing before
construction of the structure begins. Now, what I do have on the property also is I, you know, I've got the property location bought up here. It is for sale. They do have a listing price on it right now. I mean, it's actively on the market. >> Go paying for that though to avoid it
ever becoming another residential lot because I know there was that program they came and talked to us about. Um, >> the property owner has >> asked it for that, but that is available. >> Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. But would have >> explore whatever. Yeah. Whatever we can
do to get past it. >> Ask them if they know about it. >> See if it's something. >> I'd like to get it for >> Derek. Is that something you can look into for us? >> What's that? >> I asked Derek, is that something he can look into for us to figure out if we can
get Pasco to to get it and gift it to us somehow? >> Well, I'll look and see what they did with the one across the street. >> That's what I was thinking. Well, is the one across the street or is the one across the bayou? >> So, the one across the street was done the same way where Paso County paid for the demolition and then once that was completed, there's uh like an automatic
clause that allows the city to take ownership of it. That's how they do. I'll see which program. I think it's a flood mitigation assistance. I'll just double check. >> But keep in mind, Chris, that's a that's a homeowner uh initiated act. They they apply for the grant and they they basically put it in that that uh that position. It's not something that Pasco
comes in just takes. Uh the homeowner because they have obviously they want to sell their lot. They may not want to sell it to Pasco. So it's it's really initiated by that homeowner. >> And maybe that's a conversation that needs to be had. >> Yeah. I would want to uh if [snorts]
that were my property and I could get paid for it via Pasco to extend the park that I [snorts] would definitely want to do that versus seeing another house go up on >> Yeah, I think they they probably don't pay as much as they would on open market, I think, is what the the decision point is. But
>> just additional on this this covenant does allow for unimproved unpaid parking lots. if um Pasco doesn't pay as much, we could maybe pick up the difference to purchase the property, like if some
kind of in our negotiations with the homeowner or our discussions with the homeowner that if they're if they're not liking the idea of getting less for the property, then find out through Pasco if the city could
pay some money along with that to get them what where They need to be >> but you know there's >> rather pay something. >> I think uh worth an ask. >> Yeah. >> Um
>> are we okay to have a little public comment? Is that okay? >> Yeah, absolutely. >> Yeah, sure. >> Okay. Public comment. >> I have no voice, so don't make fun of me. Linda Rodriguez, 5917 Lantern Court. Um, as you know, I'm working on the wall
at Olner and I went over there. The lot is 34 acres, 499, and it's been on the market for over 300 days. So, there's probably some negotiation there because I was going to bring it up. Our CAC meeting is Thursday. So, I was going to bring that up. That's why I kind of know about
that. So, that would be a really good And you were talking about wind surfing. >> That that's a great park for passive paddle board, kayaking, wind surfing. no motorized thing that that would be a great place for that. I was going to bring it up Thursday, but you [snorts] brought it up tonight, but I would think
after 333 or four days on the market comments on Braxer Park. Okay, go ahead, Sarah. All right. >> So, maybe we we we pause and and move on to another park and we'll come circle back to this. >> Sure.
>> Okay. Moving on. >> Good ideas of what what we possibly could do there. >> I got a lot of Yeah. >> little >> arrows and stuff. Okay, perfect. Saving this one and let's move on to the next uh highest level of detail.
We're moving to the brush or NYX. I apologize. or sorry yeah you want to do Nicks Park next >> up [snorts] to you >> either one is fine >> okay Nick's park so this one has a some more
sketching and concept development happening uh in comparison to the last one but it's still a draft right now you see uh existing mainly the existing site plan so we can get a sense of the scale and and see what might fit um but I'll
I've got the existing ing site plan as a base to start. And then I've been exploring other options for the boat slips. And then in thinking about scale, this isn't my my model, so I can't credit that to me, but this is a publicly
available model that I just stuck in here to get a sense of scale and size. And uh when you think about opportunities for changing the parking and the circulation around, you really open up a lot of space for more of a
waterfront activity center. So I included that model. But again, this is not what it would look like. This is just something I popped right on top to give you a sense of scale. Uh one thing that I did change was intentionally was the uh entrance. So instead of it being
a loop completely around, imagine this is actually green. Uh but you just have a smaller loop uh with some regular parking, some boat trailer parking, and then you can make a right turn. Uh the boats can to try to turn around over
here and and park the boat or or park bring your boat in and then go park the trailer. And then you see the multiple slips. So, we're starting to see some concepts come to life here, but um clearly this is still very draft and
it's just here for discussion. So, I will turn it back over to the group for ideas. >> I would think pe people already complain there's not enough parking for for their vehicles and trailers. So, I would say
that knocked that totally out because you just wiped out almost all the parking. >> Yep. I cut about I cut the parking in half essentially for the trailers. >> Um and then there's also the option of no boat ramp, but I I don't think that
that's necessarily an option. Obviously didn't need the boat ramp, but you know, there might be opportunity sites elsewhere that could serve the city better. But I that was outside of my purview for this. But I um I agree that it's got to be solved this parking
problem. >> Yes, sir. >> Elsewhere. So, we've had some preliminary conversations about uh alternatives. Um, and so the the challenge is is this has a boat ramp being in the heart of the the commercial district that's that's developing,
right? Um, and and all that property being for sale down there and and how we're going to invest and what we're going to do with it. Do we want to focus on a boat ramp and make that the the the main focus of that area or do we try to find an alternative location for that?
Um, and we're, you know, conversation very early. Um, I know there's there's there's a couple options that we were looking at. Um, just very preliminarily. Um, and they they are Pasco is putting a boat ramp in across the river. Um, so if if we could find an alternative location
that this would operate until we could get something up and running somewhere else in the city, uh, then we could possibly revision that park as a more of a a center place for people to gather and and enjoy the water and other things. But um again, we it's it's it's a tough
it's it's a tough resource to try to to deal with where it's at right now. >> Wasn't there a reason we couldn't put it at Waterfront Park? I remember at one point something with the FCT. We couldn't have a ramp there. >> Parking the parking would be the problem.
>> There was So there's an update. Someone updated your restrictions to waterfront park on October 31st of 2024. It reads con uh correction to conservation easement granted by John R. Gray adding language to ensure no water dependent structures are placed on the property or
adjacent submerged lands including marina ement parcels. So it was language to specify that that was a prohibited use. >> Okay. Yeah. And there was there's also an opportunity out um I think Bob you were
mentioning about the uh >> and would be better anyway. That way you can leave the park open for festivals. >> Yeah. The um and you know and we we did talk a little bit about Brasher and if we're able to ever get that uh dredged through there um potentially there as
well. It's just we don't have a whole lot of options. So we're trying to wrestle with you know what we do. >> There would be parking problem too that way. So branch has the same footprint as as Nick next park actually. So it would be the same amount of parking but you had
the overflow which we use occasionally and you would have to if we were able to expand that or if they parked somewhere down the street but also if if we were to utilize that for uh smaller craft and then deal with the larger craft elsewhere you parcel it out. Again it's
there's no there's no slam dunk solution anywhere really >> where it's at. Can we pause this park discussion until we [snorts] um look into the epidem because I I certainly wouldn't want to
take away a boat ramp unless we had one >> in the works, you know, to where by the time this one was gone, we already had another one built. >> I think we exalt the possibility of where we could possibly move it. If we can't move it, we vested it, >> right? But then we have to >> I'm in I'm in agreement on that for
sure. >> Yeah. If we can find a a good suitable location makes sense then we we look into it. If not we invest in what we got. >> We we do have limited time with the regional planning council what the you know what their scope of work is. Also too you know we we would have to reassign any monies that we assigned in
the CRA fund to other project if it's going to take up until the next fiscal year to figure this out >> or or we could do you know a refresh. So not changing it or refresh it >> maybe. So maybe some landscaping or
something for now and some paving uh work on the um boat dock or the boat ramp. Like I don't think it would cost too much, would it? Just to correct the problem with what's going on with the boat ramp as it sets.
[clears throat] >> Yeah, there could be some investment for sure. >> Yeah. And then you know just kind of make it a placeholder at the moment. >> Keep the lights on type. >> Yeah. Keep the lights on. make it look a little nicer without putting a whole lot of money into it. And
>> there's a nice seating area there right now. And without going without going too much into all of it >> if the bump ramp wasn't there, what would you want there? >> What would you want? That space is not real big.
>> Kind of what she had designed there would be kind of >> We do have a nice We do have a nice space there. We also have a place where our police boat is where where our fire department can drop their boat in quick because they just got to shoot across Grand.
>> I have it in I have it in my diagram. Yeah, a floating dock for the emergency boat. >> You know, our our safety forces need need that area and they don't need it to be clearing another part of the city.
You know, do you want them to run from Grand or from Ridge Road and go out to upside to put the boat in? >> Well, so so their boats stays on a lift there, I guess, is my >> fire doesn't. >> Yeah. Well, that didn't mean it could wouldn't in the future. >> And still, even if it is on a lift
there, it's still that much further. >> I'm I'm just >> I'm just saying it's something else to think about. >> What do you really want to do with that space? because what it's being used for now is something that a lot of people use is a boat ramp. And secondly, we
have our first responders going out of there on a fairly regular basis. >> So what do you want to put there that's more important? >> It's not so much that that want to put anything particular there. It's always going to be a park for the city, right?
And so if it wasn't a boat ramp, it would be a park and it could be a it could be a focal point like you you would have down in Mallalerie Square where you go to watch sunsets and have stuff like that. Uh you would have public dockage there. I think we would definitely continue to have that and obviously we would have um our our staff
boats there to deploy quickly. Um again, there's going to be a ramp directly across the river that uh people could put in at some point in the future, but again we want to keep the resource somewhere in the city. And again, if if if we can't find a spot for it, it's going to be here. It's where it's at
now. Uh but as as that area develops, it's just it's tough to to have all that uh boat and trailer traffic constantly going down right into the center of the waterfront to launch boats on. It's tough. >> I agree to a point. >> Yeah. >> On you know on it could be better, but
>> but it's not that big and you can't take it out and where so where are we going to put it? And it is important. It's important to think of a few other things. Like I said, you know, our fire and our police are putting their boats in there. You have to think about that. >> Yeah.
>> The docks that I drew up, I had thought about that whether you have a boat ramp there or not. The docks that I put there, if you have the ramp, you can utilize obviously, but the docks I drew up on both sides, make it a two-lane ramp. If we eliminated that ramp and put it off edit or someplace else,
>> then that boat ramp would be used for either a party fishing boat or for a floating uh RV. You could charge someone to dock there, but the boat docks would be there for I got designed for about 20 boats and you'd have a park there also
that they could use um either whether it's a a boat ramp or not. >> The docks could be utilized one way or the other. What you need to do though is the the lift is no good for for a rescue boat or a police boat. They should be on everywhere I go. They're on floating
docks, dock blocks they call them. And they're rapid deploy. You can put one on the river or you can put one right here in the corner. There's a there's a corner space. That's why I have it designed. So you could put the rescue boat in there, quick access, and put a light water there and they're all set. That's all you need. But that could be
it's supposed to remain a park. Even if you eliminate the boat ramp, need to be a park. But you could have a harbor master in there if you put in more docks. If you go down the line, depend on what a developer wants to do behind Hooters and all the way down. You could have a harbor master there uh to collect if you want to charge $5 for people help
him dock there, collect $5. He could get tips just a little harbor master plan. A park like this would be nice, but it needs to remain a park according to the FTC. But long as it's accessible for boers, that I think that's an important thing because that's really what it would it'd
be utilized for the best access for voters. >> Yeah. And if we like >> would you eliminate the boat ramp or not? The docks would be suited there. >> Yeah. And like I said, we we need to envision having that water walkway going all the way around the water and it would just continue along there >> and that would be perfect this Yeah.
point for that to start that park going one way or the other where you go to waterfront or if you go all the way across to the bridge. But [snorts] until you solve for a boat ramp somewhere else, it's it's kind of a non-starter because we have >> That's why I didn't go too far into it because >> I just think we look we look to see if there's any opportunities anywhere else.
If we can't find anything, then we because we've got to pull the trigger some point to invest in this. >> Either way, it needs that dock that's there needs to be removed and it needs to be dredged. >> Either way, if you use it to continue as a boat ramp or if you want to put docks, the city docks there. So when we dredge,
they need to come over to that seaw wall and dredge all that out so we can utilize that water area. [snorts] >> I agree to that. Okay, scrap this park. Let's move on. [laughter] >> I think I think the good news is the other two parks are should be a little
easier. >> How how long is it going to take to find out about Etv availability of that or whether or not >> I think D you're working on now, aren't you? We actually mentioned it that uh to the county. County is supposed to get back with us on >> thinking >> cuz county owns that property.
>> Two months, three months. Is it six? >> Last week. So >> could be two weeks. >> Could be two weeks. >> And I still >> I don't know how. I'm just I'm not complaining. I'm just asking like how long does >> he give us we can figure information. >> I think we can get some direction pretty quick, I think.
>> And I still I still got some work to do. That's still >> work that has to be done. So, could we direct um the Tampa Bay Regional Council to just do a um glam it up a little bit for now? Just a
refresh. >> Yeah, I don't think you would. Like I said, she showed some other designs there, but obviously it takes away parking. We need to I think it's it's the parking is probably maximized the way it is. So, whatever the the footprint is now, we just kind of need to dress it up, >> right? Well, maybe a little bit of sod
or something, but >> yeah, but as far as as far as layout, it's it's about >> not much you can do. I mean, yeah, we don't know what we're going to do with it yet, so why spend money on it? >> Eric mentioned up putting some shade structure here on these, but ends up being a hot seat to deal with that. Uh
maybe redoing the balls to a design, a better design, refreshing the inside of the restroom. >> Those things probably wouldn't change regardless. So yeah, you're not talking about major changes with refreshing, maybe doing the back the restroom, refreshing the restroom, landscape, the boardwalk, uh down to the dock
definitely needs a refresh. I mean, add some bumpers, things like that. That would be your base refresh till you figure out what you want to do with it. >> Keep in mind, too, is we got four parks here. As we come to these things, we can't do everything. So, we got to prioritize. So, obviously, these things could could possibly take a little bit of a back burner. It's going to So, so
the the purpose after this, we're going to go out to design and engineering and hopefully get some estimated construction costs and then we're going to talk about how we prioritize based on what we have provided. >> So, I just to kind of sum it up, I I wasn't sure if there was more public comment. >> Yeah. So, I was going to open up public
comments. So, I think we're council done on the next park. Any public comment on Nick Park? >> Okay. We have none. So, >> okay. So, I'm I'm really dying to fix uh this hot seat right here. I don't think that's [laughter] the most comfortable place in the summertime.
>> We can put a Sarah Vitali name plate on that if you'd like. So, I I will do a a nice glam up of the park, but keep the the existing parking, keep the circulation, but like I I've gotten your comments now, and I will
glam it up and kind of give it some nice fine upgrades uh until city knows what they want to do. >> So, that'll be a part of this project. Um, okay, got those notes. I'm going to save them and we'll move on to
Rasher Park. Okay, Rasher Park. This is the coolest park. I mean, waterfront's pretty cool, too, but this one is is amazing. Um, I think it's such incredible opportunity. Um, before I got a couple different concepts to show you. I'll start with uh
[snorts] this was my initial concept a couple months ago. Um, hand sketching. So, it's a little rough, but the ideas were adding a a dock pier, fishing pier off the the back, the north end of it.
Uh adding a loop around the entire thing to be able to walk around the park. Um this was supposed to be a splash pad type type thing. Uh here's the restroom facility. We would reconstruct it where it used to be. then a playground and
more shade shade structures and then orienting most of the kayak activity because I know that's the predominant recreational use. Uh having that have its own dedicated area for people to park their kayaks while they're out here hanging out. Um instead of just get
jumping on the kayak and going out and then just leaving immediately. They might want to hang out here so they keep their kayaks docked. Um and then having nice like newer kayak launch area. Um and then this side being more of a beach uh that there was discussion of that
during the workshop. Uh having another beachy [snorts] area along this this side. Um and then this is I think we've scrapped this but the idea being one of similar to the lettuce lake concept in the pictures I
showed earlier. um being able to walk through on a boardwalk all the way through and above even the mangroves to a platform that would have a structure to hang out and watch the sunset and that structure would be uh inspired by
the stilt houses that you can see along the coastline from Rasher Park. >> Did you say you think you scrapped that? Did you say you did you say you think that was scrapped? >> The uh not that concept, but the actual
location of the boardwalk. So, I'll move down to uh the second version of this. Uh now we're looking a little more detailed, but I it includes the what I had sketched, which is just a like a boardwalk that uh you have enough space
here uh to to even move parking up on the site. So, incorporating a boardwalk that takes you all the way from the eastern side of the site all the way down past the site. There's a little
spot to hang out and then you turn right and this was uh Mustafa and I actually walked out there during low low tide and stood right here and it's the most amazing views. So, we thought let's try to put it right here. But, of course, that could that could also go anywhere
uh law permitting. But we just kind of place the landing spot here and then we'd have that that stilt house structure here and this would be the the um you know this would be a really big deal for this for the city. I could see
this being their Mallerie Square, right? >> Um and then we I don't have anything else for the other parts of the site aside from Sal sent me this photo of the restroom facility being more of this style, more resilient. Um, I can't remember exactly where this picture comes from, but uh that would be the
inspiration for that structure and it would probably sit somewhere around here and then having a kayak area over here. >> Is that a 88 that How do you make that 88 >> elevator or has to be a ramp around? [snorts] That was one of the things with
the with the elevator structure that >> I got some pictures. >> And the worst part the worst part of Brasher Park are those mangroves at the end. >> That's the worst part of Brasher Park. And there's nothing we can do about it because it protects it. >> So, I like the I like the boardwalk
going out and around it because you can you really have about six feet. >> You have about six feet to look out. >> Yeah. I love I like boardwalk. >> And if it's low tide, you can go out a little bit, but yeah, that's the worst parting. So, >> oh, there it is.
>> You know, we had talked about trimming those mangroves. You don't have to you don't have to tear them down, but you trim them back a little bit. you know, here and a little bit there to get them back to a manageable area, a manageable level where you can see. >> Isn't it like six feet and you know, you still can't see over six feet. So,
>> no, you can see over six feet. I've got six feet at my house and you can see over it. Sure. >> Well, yeah, because you're up in the air, but when you're ground level, it's a little hard to see over six or seven feet now out there. >> That's the worst part of Rash Park, but
it protect it protects it. So there, but it would be nice to have something open that went out around around. >> You just can't let the mangroves take root outside the >> the logway. >> Well, if you don't do anything with the
mangroves, they will take over eventually. >> They would. Yeah. Right. >> Yep. You got to you got to trim back and we haven't trimmed it back. We've this one thing we've been lacking on as a city is keeping our mangroves trimmed back. >> Agreed. a dead dead recon. And there was
some this is pretty simple of a storm proof, fireproof, maintenancefree. You just put this where the slabs are already. And they have either metal roof to match. If we wanted to do a replica still house, it would
match that. But they also have thatch roof that is actually PVC fireproof. I've seen a lot of these in Mexico. They have vinyl. Vinyl doesn't look as good. and it doesn't hold up as well. But the PVC, they said storms don't hurt
it. 200 mph winds are fireproof. They're not reasonable and they're like 70 mph 70 year old roofs. You put on, forget about it. And they were [clears throat] quite frequent in Mexico. And hurricanes don't affect them. And they're they're pretty popular. Looks just like a thatch roof. That's that's that's
ic PVC. And they come in different styles. >> I like that. >> And it's simple. Um, and you can make it uniform across the city if you want, but that I mean four poles and a roof and it serves all the
purposes. Um, and I've seen them all over the state. Simple bathroom. And this is a [snorts] a platform you print in. That's like the steel house up there. And they do have an ADA walkway if you want to do that. It doesn't need to be very long because the park's obviously that big, but this that's one
of the >> They did some of those type things at Crumps Landing, don't they? Have you been up there to Crumps Land several times? >> Yeah. And it's they're very popular because they're maintenancefree and they're very inexpensive and they serve a purpose for like you have bicycles,
you know, you can lock them up there if you want. This this particular park is actually 492 miles from Jacksonville and 30 miles north of Key West. But that's an 88 walkway. Like I said, it's a short one up to a still home or platform. And that would be some similar
to a boardwalk. Uh something low maintenance. >> I love that. The the uh railing being rope that would be inexpensive. >> Yeah, that's a that's also a 100red-year
rope, the material they use. >> And it expensive. It's coastal looking. >> Yeah. I was going to say I'd love to see some photos of what you're all talking about if you can send me some. >> Oh, you can't see. >> No. >> Oh, I thought he was sharing on the Zoom. >> Wait, which ones were you talking about
that you love? >> Go back to that the railing with the >> Can you see that? >> Where? >> Yeah. You have to click on Bob Hubard, I believe, to look at it.
>> I mean, I think we need to be careful with wood. Wood is wood in 10 years is done. You're like having to redo the whole thing. >> Well, the the decking Yeah, you can use different kinds of synthetic. It holds up a lot better, obviously.
>> The railings, too. I mean, all that can be synthetic. >> But that's why I like the the the PVC thatch roof. Hurricane proof, fireproof, maintenance-free, hurricane proof. Um, so you can put on
on that would hold up better than anything else on the Fresher Park. >> What about What about raised aluminum panels? >> Nice. >> What' you say, Chris? >> Raised what? >> What about ra What about raised aluminum panels? Like, you know? >> Yeah. >> Um,
>> that was >> And that stuff that stuff is really It's bulletproof. It's It's really hard. And And if it's aluminum, it's going to hold up on the water there. >> Yeah. They're not quite as hot as a metal roof either. Um, if you had like a aluminum roof on the steel home, that would be nice to match that out at Rasher Park.
>> Right. Exactly. >> Yeah. Cuz this this is this is wood, but I a lot of them are, like she pointed out is synthetic boardwalk and they last 40 years. They do cost a little bit more, but uh that's
the best value. >> Hollywood stuff. >> They have different ones. Trex is popular. >> Yeah. So s for the most part I think what if you want to go back to your design I think what uh Bob was just showing was the type of materials to use for those things and and and you in your
first diagram you actually had walkways kind of going out through there kind of what he's showing here um that would that would be ADA compliant you could you know they they could roll up and and be elevated on some kind of platform out there like you kind of had envisioned but I think the uh the roofing and and
the structure is more uh tahesian if you you know, the thatch and >> Okay. >> As opposed to um you more modern. >> Got it. >> Can you all see my what I'm sharing on my screen now? >> Not yet.
>> Oh, okay. >> Stop sharing. Okay. >> We're back to you. >> Okay, cool. Yeah, I couldn't see what you all were talking about, but um I did take some notes, but if you have any photos you could share with me later, that would be that would be awesome. Uh,
I got some aluminum roof and synthetic instead of wood. Uh, what about the blank canvas of the rest of the park? I know that it used to have a playground. It used to have the restroom building and I added a tiny um another one of
these boardwalks off the the north end, but that could be smaller probably. >> Um, >> I mean definitely some shade. >> Yeah, definitely Sarah some shade. you know, it's going to be hot and you need to have some, you know, maybe some kind of a shade that we talked about over there in the other park. You know, some
kind of a triangular, you know, vinyl PVC, something like they have at the car washes on some metal poles that's, you know, holds up in storms, but it's permanent, stays where it's at. Um, just creating shade opportunities without taking away the the view of the the
beautiful view there. >> Absolutely. What about a playground? Is that still a priority for this park? Do we want to restore a a playground or have it be more of a sunset passive park?
>> What about like a volleyball net or something? >> Sand in a volleyball net. Would do you think >> volleyball would be cool? You could have people come out. They'd come out to play volleyball. You could have >> Right. >> We could have the Port Richie volleyball team, >> right? I I will say that park in the in
the mornings and the evenings, you can't hardly stand out there without getting eaten alive. Um so anything outside of midday activity. >> Yes. The nos are horrendous. [snorts] >> Life in Florida. >> Yeah. So I mean to put playground stuff like that, you have to think about that.
They're really going to use it in the heat of the day. >> I was thinking well it'll be geared towards a sunset type of park with the >> Yeah. I mean, I actually went down there to watch the sunset and can't even get out of my car. You know, >> it could be bad sometimes. Yeah,
>> volleyball. >> Sounds like we need to call the skater control. [laughter] >> We we lost uh the net that we had over at Gildog. So, I don't know if people would want that or not, but it's something to think about. >> It looks fun. if they knew.
>> I mean, volleyball in the sand is really fun. You got to have a bunch of sand bottom on it and Yeah, >> the guys that you or park guys that have to set that net up every day though or I guess you could have it on request maybe. >> Yeah. I mean, the most important use that's happening now that people do is is the kayaking and the and the
>> that kind, you know, giant boat launches and and stuff like that. It's it's heavily used for that. >> It doesn't need to be complicated. It's a small park. >> And even with that just being a volleyball net, kids could use it like a sandbox.
>> They could have maybe some water out there, some kind of flowing water that they could fill their buckets up with water and make sand castles or something in it. So, I'll uh share some some really neat
site plans that I received from Alan Elison. I hope I'm saying his name right for Rex Design. And he shared this poster board with me. I have it hanging in my office. Uh of his site plan. So, I wanted to make sure
you all saw it. I think it's pretty cool. He's got the parking set up a little differently. Uh similarly a long walkway and then going out to a new 100 foot dock. Um he's got this structure
that um I'll show you in a second the section plan but it's over on this side of the site instead of where I put one over here. [snorts] He does have it looks like a little boardwalk. So similarly thinking about access to the water on that side kept the kept to the playground
uh ADA restroom dry floodp proofed on that's what this says over here and then a little bit of ADA parking and then if you want to we're moving over here to look at the structure. So, it's this style of architecture and it's up high so you get that view
versus I was going to put something like this at the tip of the pier. More of a stilt house style. He's got a structure that gives you the observation point view, but it's on the mainland. >> Yeah, that was the one I talked to him at that uh workshop and it was a it was
an elevator in there. Um it was complicated. I do like the walkway all the way around. [snorts] >> Okay. And then I had one other
different program, but uh wanted to show >> I like that look that you did there, Sarah. >> I do too. >> I like that, too. >> It's great. >> I like that look a lot. It's very clean. It gives you a boardwalk. Gives you a lot of covered space. Mhm. >> Gives us the ability to kind of do other stuff there, including the bathroom.
Plus, it gets people out there. You're missing the piece where it shows the fisherman going on the other side there. It used to be there. It's not there right now for that piece. >> I don't know if you can get rid of those mangroves there, though. >> I like the ADA uh kayak launch thing,
too, because it makes it easy when you got a heavy, >> you know, [snorts] >> heavy kayak in your old Yeah, lots of shade, lots of metal roofing, um, lots of seating,
>> place to go out and walk and, you know, it gives people when they get there something to go do. Let's go and walk out to the point and >> hang out on the point. It becomes a real focal place, you know. >> Yeah, that's really great. >> Yeah, this is 16 ft width of up here.
>> Yeah. And then you can >> I like the rope railing though. >> I was trying to get far enough where you can see those houses. >> I don't know. >> That's That's actually pretty cool, Sarah. I like that.
>> Yeah, I like that, too. >> Expensive. >> I love that. Um, what about >> It's all expensive, right? >> Yeah, it's very expensive. [clears throat] Instead of all that railing, could we get a version of this that had the rope railing to show us what that would look like for
>> I don't I don't think you can. You got kids. You got kids. >> Oh, that's right. Kids. Yeah. >> I mean, you've got to do that [laughter] out of aluminum. >> I'm looking for those stilt houses. They got to be out here, right? There's one. >> Oh, they're out there.
>> That one. >> Oh, no. with the iceberg. [laughter] >> Hey, that's my neighborhood there on the right, Sarah. [laughter] >> You can see the new park. >> Yep.
>> That one out. They're way out here. >> There you go. There it is. >> People kayak all the way out here. >> I've done it. >> Wow. >> It's not that far. >> I don't know if I can do that. So, I don't know how you would be, but uh it's kind of a foggy day in my fake Port
Richie. So, >> um but cool. Okay. So, I got the feedback that you like the pier coming out off the end. >> Okay, I'll keep playing with that. >> But but Sarah, could you add could you add that fishing thing behind there
where they got a place to go back there and fish? It was like it was off the back side kind of behind the bathrooms. Yeah, cuz that looks like a great place to drop a fishing rod. It would give them It would give them a place to do that, you know. >> This guy here, right? Something like that.
>> Make that deck go all the way around. >> Yeah. Can you attach the decks together? >> I can. I'm not sure about narrow instead of it being You said it was >> But >> you said 16 feet wide >> when we walked out. >> Yep. I can make this more narrow and I
can make it eight and going all the way around. all the way around >> cuz we certainly wouldn't be able to afford 16 ft going all the way around. But maybe if we cut it down to eight. >> On the northern edge, there's concern about seagrass, which is why we picked that southern edge because we were able to walk on stone on limestone. The northern edge seemed to have searass.
So, we had to deal with that on the northern end. >> Yeah, I can show a smaller one that kind of brings you over there. Definitely. >> Right. and have it be connected all the way around just to just just to kind of see what it's like later.
Okay. So, I got that feedback that you want to see that all the way around. It'll take a minute so I won't do it live for you because I want your attention on the last last but not least, right? The waterfront part. >> Yeah. Let me get some public comment on Brasher real quick. Is there any public
comment on Brasher? Rob. >> Yeah. Go ahead. Name and address for the record. >> My name is William Barber. Uh 5418 Tropical Woods Court. I'm right around the corner from Thrasher Park or Thrasher Park. I see the traffic going
out there every day because I'm building a new new house right there uh right off the old post road. And I go out there almost every day and I see who's out there all day long. and nobody out there to play volleyball.
There are a lot of children being brought out there to play and they were playing out there all the way up to the day you took the playground out. I I think that's really important for Brasher Park is to have that children's playground. Um otherwise I think that's beautiful concept right there.
>> You think the playground is definitely something gets utilized and good information? >> Yes, sir. >> I know it was it's been dilapitated for a long time. I It's kind of a mud pit, but they were still getting out there using it. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Even after the storms, they were still coming out there. >> Okay. Yeah. Well, yeah. Sounds like uh
Sarah probably need to focus on some kind of playground there as opposed to the the volleyball thing. >> Well, we don't need the deep six. We don't need the deep six volleyball court. Is there not enough room there for a volleyball court and a playground? >> Oh, there could be. >> Yeah, you probably do both. Yeah. I
think the point we made is that there is some playground activity happens out there, so we need to make sure we we accommodate that. >> Thank you. It it helps. I mean, you're there. You see it. And that's very helpful to us. >> Uh Rob, >> hello.
>> Rob Kimberly, 5800 Queener Avenue. Uh as far at the playground, I don't think he needs a playground out there. A warfront park is pretty close. They can maybe expand on that. Uh I kayak out of brasher quite a bit. perfect place to to
kayak. Uh I think maybe with that the one concept with the building there out on the pier. I think if you put that on the end because you have that small island there that's going to block maybe a sunset going down. >> If you notice there's that right there
on the on the island that's going to block I think some of it depending on time of year where the sun's going to go down. you put that building on the far end all the way out west. I think that'd be a better spot for it. Uh kayaking where it's at now and that
uh rendition there was good and then I would think on the north side would be another good spot. Put a nice sandy the sandy beaches are fine. You don't need the crazy uh launches that they do now, but they are more convenient. Uh the of course we remove all the rocks. rocks
makes a little bit tough especially you low low tide. Um so that was my opinion on that. Uh north side I what I what I was thinking about with this is uh there's some place down south
Florida that does they do concerts out in the water on barges and and if anyone's ever been to Sunset Beach and Tarper Springs it's pretty cool. All right. Sunset Beach. They do every uh every every Wednesday, every other Wednesday, every third Wednesday,
whatever, they do a sunset concert, different types of music as the sun goes down. It's really cool. This may be a little bit small for where Tar Springs has because they do it's much bigger park, but it's really cool. A lot of people show up, they they shuttle people in and out because there's not enough parking. I go down there with the
motorcycle. Geez, I could park anywhere. >> I think that might be something to do here, a barge. Because what's good with this because the people that are complaining about grand within, you know, with the music and they are within, you know, they stop at 10:00. The DBs aren't above what they're
supposed to be. So, it's all legal. They're playing they're playing fair, but here there's nobody living there pretty much. There's a few people. I mean, Chris, you you probably hear it from your backyard, but I used to hear Gild Dogs from my backyard. But I think that'd be a great place. Put
a barge out there. Have a generator. Have a banner come out there. Play music out on the water. Doesn't have to be that far out. 30 feet out, 40 feet out. People gather. You watch the sunset out. Sunset sun going down. Listen to music. Those are my ideas.
What else do we have? See, I've been writing this stuff down. Trex decking is the way to go. There there various kinds. There's all It's all recycled plastic. >> So, you know, some of it has some wood particles in it that'll, you know, make it more durable, but that's the way to go. It's expensive. Probably three times
amount of of PT if you would use by pressure treated. That's about it for that. Those are my ideas for rasher. I think >> one more thing. Okay.
>> Bathrooms. I would thinking I I was thinking where where where I lived in New York on the off off the Delaware River, they had a we had 200 year floods in seven or eight months. And what they did, they they actually put a uh a temporary uh welcome center on wheels.
So when the weather was really bad and the you know reservoirs overfill, the spring thaws or whatever, they would move it. My thought would be that with the restroom, do a movable restroom. If a hurricane comes in, big storm comes in, just hook it up and take it out. You don't have to worry about it's cheaper
in the long run. You don't have to worry about building a building. You don't have to worry about where the waste is going to go. This would be like I guess like a portaotti. So that's the only maintenance you would need. Storm comes in, you take it. You don't have to worry about it being destroyed in any way. And it's a lot cheaper than building a permanent, you know, a building that's
going to sustain a hurricane. >> That's it. Thank you very much. >> Thanks, Rob. >> No, you're good. Anyone else on Branch Park? >> Okay, go ahead, Sarah. Yeah, he was describing something. It reminded me of
[snorts] um Sunset Pier in Key West. Uh I lost the picture, but uh there's lots of concerts out there and it's got the same shape of what I just drew out, but uh yeah, a place to listen to music that I'm at the
end of a pier. Kind of neat. Okay. Any other comments on Brasher Park before I move on to the last park or or any comments in general about any of the parks before I move to Waterfront Park? >> Yep, I think we're good. >> Okay, cool.
Press save. Okay, this last park uh we went from lowest level of detail in terms of the modeling tools and everything to higher level of detail.
Uh here we've got I'll try not to go too fast to orient you. You're looking at Waterfront Park from the entrance. And we've got, let's see, we drive in and I've added a new parking
area right on the left hand side. As soon as you're driving in, kept the little parking that's already there. And then if you're looking over towards the dog the dog park, I did some upgrades and some new uh amenities over there that I'll I'll uh I guess I'll
take you there now. Um so when you're looking this way, you can see the playground. There's a splash pad. There's an amphitheater. There's a lot going on. You're looking this way. That's the entrance for the bike ramp or
the bike path. And I also have a separated walking path and some bike amenities cuz I know that this is a [snorts] the terminus for a bike uh bike path. So I wanted to cater to the bikers. And
then I have a dog park a little bit more like more updated dog park with some places for people to sit and hang out. Uh small dogs, bigger dogs. I'll spin it around.
So, you [snorts] got this concept on the north side of the park, which is an improved dog park, which is what [clears throat] I heard was wanted dog park. And I didn't hear about the, you know, bike amenities, but I thought it's got to go somewhere. Um, so I have that
here and some wayinding to help people orient themselves in this big park. Now, we're going to pan over to the road that you drive in, and you got some parallel parking. Uh, and you've got some upgraded
playgrounds. And I heard that they like the they would like the playground to be connected. So, we've got a smaller kids area and a bigger kids area, but it is one fenced in area. That was the feedback.
So, I included that as a one fenced in area, landscaping, trees, all that stuff, nice, nice amenities. And there's a gate to come to to enter on either side here or on the near the
parking. So, three entrances. And then we're spinning over to the splash pad with lots. >> That's nice. >> You like the splash pad? I heard a lot about the splash pad. makes me want to go out to the splash pad.
>> So, we've got the splash pad and I don't know if this is the right type of thing, but it's I looked up like a beach, you know, like a pool uh has this little cabana where you get your towels and things like that. I just felt like I needed something, but maybe that's not
so so right. But you've got all of the uses for your splash pad contained in this fenced in area that is connected to the playground. So, here is the concept for you've got the dog park entrance for
the bikes, splash pad, fun fun place for kids and adults. Then we we're moving over to uh we've got this kayak area, which is something that was already there, but I think has been needed some repairs. So,
I added I added that back in and repaired it. And then we've got just a bit of parking. I think that parking exists now, but I added a little food truck type thing. I know that there's restrictions on the uses in this park because of the conservation easement.
So, a temporary, you know, can come in and out as needed might be something that would be permitted with some seating. And then you've got a restroom facility and a little path that takes you back and around
towards the front which is the amphitheater. And I know there's been discussions about where on the site to put an amphitheater, but uh landed on the bottom of the hill and you can see a slight grade. And then as you're moving
up, we don't have a lot of trees on site right now, so I didn't add a ton. trees are kind of expensive, but uh you know this is this is what you're looking at in terms of grade up the hill. Not a not a huge grade that could maybe be expanded if this conservation
conservation ement would allow it. [snorts] But then you've got some shade and uh the road takes you all the way around uh that area, the big lawn. And then I added a second parking lot. And it looks like people are already
kind of making their own parking lot. So I'm just making it more formal, a second parking lot on the back end. And then I will talk about this uh bridge at the end.
Uh, but when you're moving down this way, you've got your kayak launch area now over here. Kept the one that's over there, but I also have one here because I know that that was a concept that was discussed and I actually made it longer.
This might not be permitted with the conservation ement restrictions because it would be a new structure, but there may be an opportunity to work with the state and see if that's something that could be permitted. And then we've got
instead of a partially elevated um you know bridge and boardwalk, I've got a longer fully connected one that takes you from that side over here. And then instead of the bike trail ending, the last place it was ends is
here. Instead of having the bikers kind of come off and and we're weave into a high pedestrian traffic area and mow anybody over, I have them coming over and around and and the bike trail ending point would be here instead.
And in this concept and then there's a nice place for people to put their bikes up, get some water, and then they can keep walking to go enjoy uh the wind of their finishing their bike trail. And then you have uh this part is the
bike biker path and then you have the pedestrian path that is next to it. So they're clearly divided um more comfortable for the walkers and and the biker I would think. And then I just added another dock structure. There
was an opening here so I just snuck one in. Uh, we had talked about this interior waterway, you know, being more for folks who like to kayak but maybe aren't aren't the strongest at kayaking and they don't want to be out in the
open water. This would be a more passive kayaking if they're interested in that. It's kind of like a oh, what was the word? Uh, Sal and we a cove like a little >> training wheels. >> Yeah, like your own little cove area.
Maybe it's for kid kids who are learning how to kayak and they can be supervised carefully. It's all fenced in by nature or you know there's an opportunity to I think it's right here
go and dredge out underneath and make this more accessible and you could go right through out into kayaking in the open water. But right now I don't I think it would need some work to actually make that accessible for kayakers. So, right now people are kayaking but just in this interior area.
Um, I will pause there for feedback because I know that the discussion about the bridge is going to be its own thing. So, yeah. Any what is your feedback so far on what I've shown you? >> I'd like to see a picture. >> Take it piece by piece if you want.
>> I'd like to see a picture higher up over so we can see it all at once. >> Okay. It's hard to follow when you were doing Yeah. >> Yeah. Can you go overhead? Bird's eye view. Yeah. There you go. >> How about like Sorry. Wooy.
So you got your entrance here. Dog park, playgrounds, splash pad, uh kayak, amphitheater, shade structures, new parking, other new parking,
and then kayak, free walkway, and then you're back to where we started. So the I mean for to for a point of reference the the gray kind of driveway
path is that the existing >> gravel that we have now is that >> Mhm. >> Okay. >> Are you keeping it gravel? >> I I hadn't really thought about the detail of that but you know anything we
could change it to anything. >> I was just thinking more of where it should be. >> Yeah. So that that's yeah that's was curious. So basically the same pretty much layout >> that we have now. >> You just kind of added onto the sides. >> One thing I did change is this walkway.
It kind of does this path. I just >> kind of cleaned it up a little. >> You were going to tell us about that extra bridge you threw in there. >> Yeah. >> Unless you want comments on this portion first. You you ready to jump into the
>> I'd like to see um on the park area for the kids since it gets so hot >> if we could have one of those uh covered like they have Sims Park where it's these
steel holes and then Yeah. the vinyl hole in the middle >> over the top of it. >> Shade sails going off the sides. >> Yeah. >> Right over the top. And then maybe something in the smaller area. >> Um, >> she got shades there. >> Yeah, but those would be more like for
the parents where the kids are going to be out there baking at Sims Park. The kids are undercover. >> It's great. Take the grandkids there and it's really nice that they're not burning up.
>> It's hard to take the grandkids anywhere without having them turn beat red in 30 minutes and you got to go home. All depends on what Sean says. >> Now, that uh the the the splash pad and the the the uh kids area, is that pretty
much the same footprint that the existing playground is now? >> Everything down there. >> Mhm. >> How big is that splash pad? >> That freaking size is >> Yeah.
>> Sorry. walk. >> I mean, the size of it is not as important as if it flushes water up in the air and splashes everybody. They want to get wet, you know. >> I know. I just wondered how I mean covered area for the parents. That's great. >> But it'll be busy. So, you want a pretty good size one.
>> It looks like 30 feet across, doesn't it? >> It looks like it. Yeah. >> All of council will need to fit on it at one time >> laying down. [laughter] Looks like it is 45ish. >> Oh, that's awesome.
>> And you know, I didn't add any structures like little play things. I saw some photos. >> Different nozzles and structures and stuff on it. >> Well, we're going to have to add some kind of a water filtration system. There's got to have something built in there, right? >> Don's [clears throat] got experience with that.
>> Uh, Vice Mayor, there's there's two concepts that you can go with. Um, and if you go with a filtration system, your cost is going to skyrocket on this project right here. But you've also got a straight through system where the water will just go straight through uh you um the system out to a out to the
water. I guess you could say there'd have to be a location where the water would actually dump itself. And what you do is you modify that park with timers and you make the um you actually make the water devices if you want cannons or just there's a variety of different things that you can add to a water park
for the kids, but you make those activated so they have to activate them to use them so that you're managing the water. And then you can have a timer, you know, that actually runs the system as you see it going now. And then you have your shut off times. And what it'll do is the water cost won't be as
expensive as the filtration piece. So, in the end, you're actually saving money without having that filtration system based on the cost, based on the services, based on the constant maintenance. Um, but it's it's it's an option that's there. >> Sure. >> Okay.
>> And I've done it I've done it very affordable uh in in in Panelis County. >> Okay. >> Yeah. It's the same footprint of the the playground, but now we've had now we add this new splash pad
just it's [snorts] a little more compact. But >> could we get an option a layout option of having the um what do you call that? What's the band area where
>> instead of it instead of Yeah. the amphitheater instead of that facing the water. Having the water behind the amphitheater just the like just >> having a taking [snorts] the amphitheater and moving it to a different.
>> Yeah. Just to where people would be looking at the band and then you would see the waterfront behind the band. >> You watch the band and the sunset at the same time. >> Yeah. The band and the sunset at the same time basically. Yeah. >> The sounds sexy. You then uh you project
music out into the residential area. >> Oh. >> So it would >> we want Sarah Sarah, can you uh overlay the conservation easement? I think that's going to interfere with the conservation ement putting it over there. >> Plus you lose the natural grade of people who attend. So like your your
people will be closer to the pavilion, but as the grade goes up, everyone will have an equal seeing view of that. That's why we positioned it that backwards. >> Yeah. You'd have to you'd have to change the entire layout of the park. >> I think the way that it is now, Christine, is probably the best because
you get the best seating. Not just the shaded areas, but you could also work in that conservation area for seating in a place if it's positioned like it is now, you know, >> and it does kind of look like you've got the water behind it from this angle. You have the water behind it anyway.
>> Oh, yeah. Exactly. So, it's fine. Yeah. I just didn't see it from the right angle. I'm sorry. >> It's okay. And also you'll see a lot of mangroves that I don't have in in here. So you might that might obstruct your view a bit. >> Um >> I mean again if we if we trim them up and give them all a haircut like most of
us guys need right now, you know, we could we could have mangroves that were high and tight and we could see past them. >> Well, we're limited what we can do without mangroves. We're kind of limited since they're six feet high. How far can we trim them? >> You can trim them. You can trim them
down to six feet. I think >> you can. And yeah, >> you can bring them down incrementally each year as as long as you maintain [clears throat] that. So >> cool. >> If they exceed a certain height naturally, then you can't touch them at all. But I think that's >> that's why we got to Yeah, that's why we have to not wait to once you start push
pushing like 20 feet, but I have to check the regulations. Take a look at that. >> So, do you know the fence that's on the north side of waterfront? It got kind of bendy there during the hurricane. Has that been straightened or is that something we still need to work
>> That's something we still need to work on, but it hasn't been done yet. I I'd have to check with Daryl and see, you know, if he's doing that, but we were going to talk to the same fence company that's going to be working on Ultar anyway because of that. So, >> hey Sarah, you at the beginning of your
presentation, you you showed that one amphitheater that uh was built in storm water um Yeah. >> stuff. Um, and we had there's there's some grant money through the county that uh for storm water and whatnot. We were kind of asking uh the folks at the
county about that and it mentioned that specifically about the amphitheater being co-designed with with something to to handle that. So, there might be some opportunity there for us to to manage storm water better and have the amphitheater as well and get it paid for. So I I don't know if you that's probably not taken in consideration your
design or whatever and I don't even know if that would be something viable in that area but something to look at. >> I I agree with you completely. If you know if it has all these co- benefits for pollution then maybe there's some opportunity to help help pay for it by
the state. Um I the only concern I I'm not as familiar with the requirements of the conservation easement which you see in blue here and whether the park as a whole even if it's outside this this strict boundary like also has its own
sort of requirements that they need to meet as a park. >> But I know there's a strict boundary and in this blue area you can't have new structures over the water. So, I had already included some of these newer structures. They're they're replacements
of structures that were previously there. So, maybe that's allowed, but um that's the only thing I know for sure would would be restricted is new structures over the water. Um so, if you're doing any conservation or any
storm water mitigation, maybe if it's outside of this area, it could be okay. You'd think it would be a net positive. So it for conservation purposes it would be permitted >> because I know there's in that that tree area there to the uh right of your parking lot and all that there's
actually water in there I believe I believe that's overgrown but I think there's actually somewhat of a lake in there if I one of the residents was talking about it [snorts] about clearing that out again I don't know what it what role it plays in storm water or not but um
Whoa. >> Let's go to waterfront park. Yes. So, here we are existing. And now I can move to the bridge. Here we go.
So, uh there's discussions about pedestrian bridge. >> Before you start the bridge, let me see if there's any public comment on the park. Any public comment on Farford Park and any of that stuff? Rob, >> I was invited. Sorry. >> Yeah. [laughter] And I I'll open it back up after the bridge, too, to talk about. [snorts]
>> Oh, well, I'm I have nothing about the bridge, but I have stuff lead up to that. Robert Camero, the uh 5800 Queen Avenue. The dog park. Uh my opinion, there is a lot of dog parks around. This is probably the worst one I've I've seen.
Uh it's too small. You need a dog, a small dog and large dog and maybe combine it. The good example is look at the meadows in Newport Richie. That's a great park. They just redid that I think last year. It's unbelievable. And then there's also Anclo Golf Park down Holiday which is huge. We only have I
think it's 40 acres but uh before you Sarah on that dog park you expanded that right. So that where that fence is in the middle, that's where the existing footprint is. And you were kind of out the >> because there's a lot of room that you could expand that to. I mean, it's just wasted space going up to the fence and
then also to the left of that as you're facing the dog park. >> So the lands there just needs to be utilized. And like I said, small dog, large dog, and then combine them. Uh, you know, my dogs get along with everyone. It's just the other dogs don't
like them sometimes. [laughter] Um, one one uh point of clarity, I put it as far as I could before the conservation. >> Conservation. Yeah. >> So, there may be an invisible barrier there.
>> What about left to right or >> this is uh looking north. So, >> I went as far as I could. I could, you know, I could clearly make this >> west you really can't go >> to it. >> But on the east, I could maybe if there's a setback, but besides that, I could go. That looks like it you could
probably almost double the size of the farm >> based on what she's got there. >> There's room there. >> Yeah, if you go I mean if you go east and also south you should be fine. West I see you can't and there's not much room going north. >> Like the idea of putting another park for bigger dogs next to that for small
dogs. >> I mean it doesn't have to, you know, just right now it's just it's too small uh for any dogs you put in there and and to double the size would be good. my opinion. I, you know, I know a lot of people go there. Uh, I go, I mean, they when I show up with my dogs, they leave.
I don't like Chihuahua. I don't know. [laughter] Anyway, so the parking, as you talked, the parking was great. Uh, we definitely need more parking. >> A friend of mine said something about small dogs. He said that you're going fishing for a real dog is what the small dogs. >> I'm telling you what, I'll tell you what, they're like four and a half
pounds. They both think they're Rottweilers, especially little man. He's like this big. Yeah, he's he's he's he's unbelievable dog. Uh so yeah, opening up the mangroves. That's that's the way to do. And you know, back in the 80s, there was a pier that actually went out west
of the park uh probably 30 feet. And if it was mentioned that if that was something that was already there at one point, it could be >> a structure. Yeah. >> Yeah, >> it was. I mean, I've seen pictures of it and >> I read the language >> right there. I mean, it's kind of showing that it's there.
>> Could rebuild anything that there's an exhibit B and as long as it was on the exhibit. >> Um, then we could get it back, I believe. Um, and I believe Nancy addressed that too and thought the same that we could get anything back that we had formally had.
>> So, >> what if it's a larger than what it would formally was? >> I'm not sure about that. It was it was a pretty decent size from the pictures. I mean, I could get the pictures, but actually, you know,
just >> it's amazing. It's all conservation area, but it's all man-made. The whole park was created from the dredging of all the canals of >> Richie. >> It was a swamp. >> Yeah. >> We made it and Mr. Bookman, Mr. Mrs. Bookman sided it all. Made it a park.
[snorts] >> Bless you, Rob. What else? Now, oh, there there's another thing and this is I mean, you have the amphitheater. Great. I mean, it's you the amphitheater has to be set up that way because as Woodstock was, they had, you know, the bands were down below. I'm from the Woodstock area and and the mount the
mountain just went up like that and everyone just sat and it was like it was great. But I wasn't there. I was 13. Uh I just lived there after the fact. Um there's a there's a uh they call themselves Rockin 1000. They're from Italy. And what they do, they get a
thousand musicians. They have like 50 guitarists, uh 50 drummers. It's all these different uh people from different bands, different groups, and they all play together. It's one huge It's It's just amazing to see
like five songs and they're all playing. You got you got 50 guys playing drums, 50 guys on the guitar, 50 guys on the bass, you got pianos. It's just incredible. Something like that might be with local bands. might work there if we got this thing going. I'm sure local bands wouldn't
mind doing that. And if it came to the point of money, we got a lot of businesses here. I'm sure these these businesses would say, "Let's kick in some money. This is going to be good for for the city." People come around because no one does that. This is something that no one does. You ever hear of it? No.
It's it's it's pretty incredible. Watch. It's on YouTube. It's called Rockin 1000. Uh sponsors. And when what else? Movie nights. How about movie night? Do movie nights with there. You got the amphitheater. I probably work there. Put
up a screen like they do beach and other [clears throat] places. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, sure. Yep. >> I mean, you know, Newport does it. >> They do that in in Sims, too. [clears throat] >> Yeah, I think so. >> Ampha' be top of my list to try to put something in. For sure. We need some
kind of facility. For sure. >> Yeah, for sure. Yep. All right. >> Thanks, Rob. I think that's about it. >> Anybody else have a comment? Okay. On to the the bridge. The moment we've all been waiting for. >> Okay. Uh the bridge. So, there's all
this uh I guess it's better if I show you off here how close we are to the you know, we're in the waterfront district. How close we are to Nicks Park and all of the these uh commercial the commercial district.
um why can't we connect and have a pedestrian bridge? So that's what I'm showing and clearly you know it can be any sort of structural style but the idea that we have a bridge I kept the uh I didn't
model it but I kept the uh kayak launch where it is and just added a bridge to take you over the water. What's what's your clearance of that in the water? Because there there's still uh the opportunity for for boats to go
back past that and and depending on what they're going to do, the property owners that own that uh other side, they may want to have docks or something. I'm not sure what they're planning on doing. >> What I'm showing here is the low point
like a 48 ft, but I this could be designed higher. >> Higher. Yeah. >> Yeah. I just have >> a good clearance. the water >> standard. >> Well, you can't dredge that out. So, you're limited to size boat. You got like a deck boat going in and out of there. You probably need at least six
feet. >> And that would be maybe at high tide six feet. >> And the land down there on the other side would have to agree. >> Well, yeah. And is John Gray okay with something like this? You think?
>> I think that section's out of the conservation easement, >> right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I think it's out of the trustes. It's out of the conservation. So be a standard ask from FCP. >> The conservation was this extra layer. I think we're just outside of it where the position >> FDC is fine with it
>> with with everything we do. We'd have to let them know what we're doing and get touches down. They're walking across. >> I know Brian actually talked about that in his some of his plans. They'd like to do something to cross over. >> I I would think they would want to, but I'm just saying it's not not just where
the bridge touches. There you got it. Didn't they cross across the >> No, I I think it's you know having that connection across there would be really nice to connect the park to the commercial district. It would be >> we had talked about
with staff the view the sight line between the street that brings you to the park and if we had that bridge you would be able to see it from the street and maybe there's an opportunity to have our logo uh hanging from the bridge
>> a photo photo spot right Yeah. Can we do zipline over instead? [laughter] >> I love it. >> You can if you want. >> I wasn't sure if that was a serious question, but I love it. >> It is a serious question. [laughter]
>> We probably could. So, so the alternative is a bridge over here, which I think has really nice sight lines as well. Um, sorry, it's going to force me to save, which is smart.
Okay. So then you're you we could redesign the parking lot so it's more inviting and you kind of arrived and you get this nice view of the amphitheater. Um but from from diagonally from this lot here that's connected by a sidewalk
over and into the park. >> I I kind of like myself I kind of like the more direct route >> as opposed to more direct than having to walk off. Imagine if you're hanging out here and you want to come over here, you have to walk all the way over and all >> because really you could that's kind of
the path now. You walk out the entrance to come down the sidewalk. I mean that just kind of cuts off a little bit, but the the direct access on the back side would would be the shortest. >> Yes, that would be more direct. >> Yeah, I agree with you. I like that.
You get a view, too. As you're going across, you can actually see the water >> swinging bridge. >> [clears throat] >> Will we not make this one? It could be a swinging bridge. >> Yeah, there you go. >> You know, >> we need something We need something that's stable. We need something to hold
up. We need [laughter] a swinging bridge. That thing I want to swing out of there. >> We can make it fun. >> Trying to cut cost, Chris. Trying to cut cost. >> I'm trying to keep it there for about [laughter] 20 years.
Do you think the business owners would be interested in uh kind of like the the Tampa Riverwalk like you've got or Many County Bradensson has one where you can walk along the the waterfront all connected? >> Yeah, that's that's a >> I think that's a great idea.
>> Yeah. And then it would come over to connect you to the waterfront park. >> Exactly. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, the developer that owns that that peninsula there that goes down that canal, that's their in their design is a is a walkway all along there and around the >> super cool
>> front [laughter] and I think that the you know the existing business owners would be imanable to trying to make that connection happen. [cough] >> Okay, great. Uh what else would you like to see in
the final uh concept plans that we developed for this? >> Can we have anything that's high so we can we see out like at the other part? >> I'm sorry. >> An observation tower type Oh, that's we
can't there because it's new build. >> Well, I don't know if they would restrict it just because it's a new build. I know they would in this blue area, >> but that's just something anything that happens in this park, I think they would have to be involved in the planning. >> Well, rebuilding that old pier would you
had you could elevate that. Obviously, >> there's the green area to the left of the stage right there. Um, >> not to just beat this horse horse to death, but if we don't want a
volleyball net over at the other park over at Brasher, that might be a good place for the volleyball net over by because we did have youth playing volleyball at the concerts over at Gild Dogs and they might do it again, >> you know, and that
>> kind of looks like a you it looked like that area didn't have a clear that there for the concert. But >> yeah, it might be nice to have something there that you could do other than watch the concert. >> I think it does have a clear view of the
concert and leaving it open gives you the ability to put a larger crowd in there. >> Yeah. >> You know, if you if you have a really good band come in there, that gives not going to fit over under the shade trees >> or doing food trucks and stuff. It still gives you if you're doing practically
anything, it gives you more room. [snorts] Yeah. And I think if you build something out in there, it causes you not to be able to utilize that for multi-purpose. >> What about that area when you're coming into the park? The dog park's on the right side. What about right there on
the left side? >> There's a parking lot there, isn't there, Lisa? >> Yeah, she opened parking. >> Oh, the new parking area. >> Parking lot there. >> Yeah, and it definitely needs additional parking for sure. >> Yeah, we need all the parking we can get
for sure. I mean, >> yeah, that's all parking right now. >> Not sure that we even need one. It's just something to think about. Um, it's a beachy kind of thing, a volleyball net. >> I know people did use it before over at Gill Dogs, but I don't know if we need one.
>> We could always do that in the future, Christine. >> Find a spot, >> you know. Yeah. If we always if we we said, "Hey, you know, we really want a volleyball team or we want something." We could always pick a place and put it in there. That's not even a hard thing to do. It's sand and a couple poles, you know? Right.
just gives youth something to do, you know. Just trying to think of giving our youth places to go and things to do. >> Well, if we look at Olster or whatever and we were to purchase that additional property and then that'd be an ideal spot for that, especially in a great
>> That would be a great spot. You're right about that, Eric. That'd be really good. >> What? Where? >> Oh, if we were to expand older lot and >> do something like that over there. >> Yeah, that would be >> put volleyball over there. have a little beach for the kids and that'd be nice
over there. >> We'd be known for music over at this one and sports and fun over the other one. You know, >> have it all. I can't imagine if we could really get this done. I mean, it would just be
incredible. >> Yeah. Now, we need to figure out how much it's going to cost us to do it and get busy spending some money. I want I want to go back broke next year to Tallahassee and tell him we need more. >> Yeah. [laughter] Sarah, what what in your proposal all this stuff was included, right? Is that uh >> I'm sorry. What did you say?
>> I said all these structure stuff, these are included in your proposal. Correct. [laughter] >> I'm being facicious. >> Okay, I'll bring my hammer. Get to work. >> Okay. Uh let me let me open up public comment on the on the bridge. Public
comment on the bridge. Right. We got we got one quick [laughter] juicy. Oh yeah, sure. >> Rob Kimberly, 5800 Queen Avenue. Uh the two bridges, I kind of like the one that
goes diagonally. And I'll tell you why. The previous uh well the the the person that has purchased that property wants to put shops and all stuff. When I walk into a place like you you go into massive flea market, you kind of come into the middle. It's like which way do I go? You go to a fair, it's like, which
way do I go here? You start in the beginning. You walk all the way around. You check them all out and then you come back. >> Yeah. >> Instead of trying to start in the middle and because if you start in the middle, say, hey, there's only three or four over there. Oh, but there most of them are over here. You take the right. You won't see the ones that are left. Might be the best ones there. That's my
opinion. >> That's it. >> Interesting. Thanks, Rob. Anybody else? Okay, back to you, Sarah. Yeah, I can understand that point and I I don't know exactly what's going on with these property owners and if they're going to be a part of the Riverwalk, but they might lose out on
the activity if everybody just turns away and kind of goes down here, never gets to visit. >> Well, it would it would, like Rob said, that would that would kind of feed out into the beginning of the commercial because they're they're talking about two floors of commercial along there um as opposed to bring it right in the
center of it. Um, so >> right >> Okay. Any other uh comments on Waterfront Park or really any of the parks before we wrap it up? I just have a couple I think a couple slides to wrap things up. >> No, I think we're good.
>> Good. Okay. Jump back in. Do I? Oh, I really only have two slides. Um so next steps uh really the next steps look like I will take all this feedback
and fold in the concepts and the ideas even if they're not perfectly refined ideas. I can show something visually so that you have something to work with when you go off and start to price things out or work with engineering. So that's the goal is to to wrap this all
up into a nice uh nice uh sized document. And uh I'll also send all the modeling files to staff so they have them so architects and engineers can use them. And uh I guess I know that folks will be watching this later and
residents might have feedback. So I wanted to provide my contact information. Uh please do contact me and let me know what you think and uh that can be included into this process. I'm thinking it's February. sort of throughout the the month of February, I
I'll accept comments and feedback from anybody and then in March at some point we'll turn around a final document and deliver that to staff. Please put this out on the on the web so people can kind of push it out and let
them know provide feedback. >> Yeah, we can. [snorts] >> Is that a question for me? >> No, I was just saying staff make sure we could we could put that out there. I hope this is recorded. >> Yeah, it is. Oh, >> okay. Cool. >> Yeah,
>> perfect. And uh and I'm happy to send still images or videos too um if you would all need them >> uh throughout the next month to keep thinking about ideas. Uh but with that, I really appreciate uh the opportunity to work with you all. This has been a lot of fun and thank you for your
feedback and I look forward to the the next steps. So, have a great evening. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Sarah. you've been doing a wonderful job. Thank you so much. >> You're welcome. Thank you. >> Okay, so that's all the the board business. Um we didn't have anything on the agenda for for board comments, but
I'll extend that courtesy to the board if there's any additional comments. Member Burke, [laughter] >> just a few calls. >> Okay. Member Hubard. >> No. >> Member Sen. >> Vice Chair, Mayor, >> I just, you know, this is really
exciting. you know, being here for 10 years and, you know, kind of living off the short tales of what everybody else has done. This brings a lot to the city and and I just think it's important that we really get some legs on this and make it run in our tenure. We don't let this go and make this just something that we
looked at, we envisioned, and and we let go. So, I think it's important we get some legs on this. >> Yeah. >> Great job, everybody. I really appreciate the uh the expertise that Sarah brought to the table. >> Yeah. And I echo that. Obviously, we appreciate Tampa Bay region planning uh commission for uh helping us with this.
You guys did a great job and uh we got a lot to think about and uh it the future looks exciting. So then I'll entertain a motion to adjurnn. >> Motion to adjurnn. >> Second. Okay. Motion second. All in favor signify by saying I. I. I.