I have a cat that does keep looking like, "Okay, did she rub up against me? Council meeting Wednesday, November 12, 2025. like stand for the uh Troy do the invocation. Pastor Troy's gonna do the
invocation. R stand for the pledge. Oh, Father God, we just thank you for this opportunity to come together in the unity of the faith with the bond of peace. Lord, I pray for your wisdom. And even so, as
iron sharpens iron, so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friends. We're all friends here working together in the city. So I ask for your wisdom. When I think of wisdom, I think of King
Solomon. And Lord, how your word says that to receive instruction of wisdom, just justice, judgment, given subtility. And I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed. And even in
this scripture, it says to the simple. And sometimes I seem real simple, but when I study that word in the Hebrew, it means to have prudence or it means to be crafty. And wow, we sure need to be
crafty and prudent uh with the finances, the resources uh and everything that we we have with the city. So, I pray a blessing over this meeting. I I bless our mayor, the council. Uh, I I bless
our state representative and our senator and our commissioner and Mr. Moore. And I just thank you that they're all here to be workers together for the city. In Jesus name I pray. Amen. >> To the flag of the United States of
America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Can I clerk roll, please? >> Mayor John Eric Hoover >> here. >> Vice Mayor Chris Mayer >> here.
>> Councilman Robert Huard >> here. >> Councilwoman Lisa Burke >> here. >> Councilwoman Christine Sullivan >> here. >> City Attorney Zoe RS here. City Manager Andrew Butterfield >> here.
>> Thank you. So, very happy to have some very distinguished guests here with us today and uh we um got some proclamations to hand out. So, I'm going to call you up one at a time and then we'll uh have a group picture. So, if I could have uh Mike Moore come join us.
So Mike is our lobbyist with Southern Group. So this proclamation in recognition of Mike Moore partnered to Southern Group for his lobbying efforts for the city of Port Richie. Whereas the city of Port Richie recognizes the invaluable contributions of individuals and organizations that work tireously to enhance our community. And whereas Mike Moore as a dedicated lobbyist and
partner for the Southern Group has demonstrated exceptional commitment and expertise in advocating for the interests of our city. And whereas through his relentless efforts and strategic initiatives, Mr. Moore has successfully assisted the city of Port Richie in securing vital Florida state funding in the amount of $4,300,000. And whereas these funds will
significantly enhance our community's infrastructure, support essent essential services, and promote economic development for the benefit of all residents. And whereas it is important to recognize and appreciate the hard work of those who play an essential role in building a brighter future for our city. Now therefore, John Cooper, mayor of the city of Port Richie, do hereby
proclaim my sincere gratitude to Mike Moore for his outstanding diplomatic efforts and distinguished service as a lobbyist. Let it be known that city of Port Richie is grateful for your dedication and contributions that enrich our city and enhance the quality of life for our residents. Dated this 12th day of November 2025 signed myself, John Ray
Cooper, mayor. >> One, two, three for one more. >> Perfect. Thank you. Oh, thanks. Thanks. Just stay there. Why don't we get a picture? Now, if I can have Representative Brad
Jagger. So this proclamation to recognition of Florida State Representative Bradford Troy Brad Jagger for his support for the state funding provided to the city of Port Richie. Whereas the city of Port Richie has been presented with the significant opportunity to enhance our vital public safety and infrastructure systems through the general support in the state of Florida. And whereas
allocation of $4.3 million in state funding for the procurement of a new fire truck, improvements to our lift state stations and essential water made replacements will benefit our community. And whereas this funding will ensure that our fire department is equipped with the latest technology and resources necessary to protect the lives and property of our residents. And whereas
the improvements to our lift stations will enhance the reliability of our wastewater management and contribute to the overall health and safety of our environment. And whereas replacing aging water manes is crucial for maintaining the quality and safety of our drinking water supply. And whereas representative Joerger's unwavering support for our community and his efforts in securing his vital funding reflect his deep
commitment to the growth and betterment of the city of Port Richie and its residents. Now therefore, I John Arver, mayor of the city of Port Richie, do hereby extend our heartfelt gratitude to Representative Bradford Troy Bradford Gagger for his steadfast support, leadership, and advocacy for the city of Port Richie. We celebrate this funding as a pivotal investment in the future of
our community, and we anticipate continuing our collaborative efforts to meet the needs of our constituents. dated this 12th day of November 2025 signed myself John >> I just want to say your mayor did a fabulous job communicating working for the citizens driving to Tallahassee
staying on top of anything we needed quickly great communication so thank you for that make it Get a picture with last but not least proclamation for our senator Senator Hooper. So this proclamation in recognition of Florida State Senator Ed Hooper for his
support for the state funding provided to the city of Port Richie. Whereas the city of Port Richie has been presented with a remarkable opportunity to enhance our public safety and infrastructure systems. thanks to the generous support of the state of Florida. And whereas the allocation of 4.3 million in state funding for the procurement of a new fire truck, improvements to our lift stations, and essential water man
replacements will benefit our community. And whereas this funding will enable our fire department to operate with state of art state-of-the-art technology and resources, thereby providing better protecting the lives and property of our residents. And whereas the enhancements to our lift stations will improve the reliable reliability of our wastewater management system, contributing to the
health and safety of our environment. And whereas replacing outdated water mains is crucial for maintaining the quality and safety of our drinking water supply, ensuring the well-being of our citizens. And whereas Senator Hooper's unwavering support for our community and his efforts in securing this vital funding, reflect his deep commitment to the growth and betterment of the city of
Port Richie and its residents. Now therefore, I John Hoover, Mayor of the City Richie, do hereby extend our sincere gratitude to Senator Ed Hooper for his steadfast support, leadership, and adv advocacy for our city. We celebrate this funding as a pivotal investment in the future of our community and we anticipate continuing our collaborative efforts to meet the
needs of our constituents. Dated this 12th day of November 2025 signed by myself John Mayor. >> I am now have the check here. There you go. Right. >> An amount of money that really is just I
tell you these guys did a fantastic job. We couldn't have asked for any better representation of Tallahassee. So in order to represent a huge amount of $4.3 million, we need a big check. So here it is. >> I think it's best for him to be in that one. >> Okay. >> Looks great.
>> Thank you guys. Appreciate it. >> Thank you. I appreciate how >> Yeah. If you guys want to come forward, >> just so you know, this is everything the House and the Senate. We're a little sloppy. >> There's more differences than that.
It could help. Oh gosh. >> Oh boy. two more check with me. >> He didn't want the money. Mike doesn't want the money. >> Okay. I didn't check with Mike. I'll
just take a with audio. >> Thank you everybody. Thank you very much. And so I just I just wanted to take a moment to recognize also we do have another very important person as Commissioner Jagger from Pasco County
Commission for so we can have two. >> Okay. First up we have three sets of uh minutes to approve. Uh, first is the September 2nd, 2025 town hall minutes. Looking for a motion. >> Motion to approve. >> There. Second. >> Second.
>> Okay. I got Christine got second. Um, any further discussion? All in favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> I. >> I. >> Opposed. Motion carries. Next up, I have a set of uh city council meeting minutes from September 9th. Need a motion to approve. Motion to approve September 9th
city council meeting minutes. >> Second. >> Okay. Motion second. Any further discussion? >> All in favor signify by saying I. >> I. I. >> I. >> I. >> Opposed. Motion carries. And last, I have a set from September 18th, 2025 city council workshop minutes. I need a
motion to approve. >> Motion to approve 918 2025 city council workshop minutes. >> Second. >> A motion. Second. Any further discussion? All in favor signifying by saying I >> opposed. >> Sorry, opposed. Motion carries
unanimously. Okay. Next up is comments from the general public. I have no signups, but show of hands. Anybody like to speak, ma'am. And when you come to the podium, state your name and address for the record. >> I didn't see this. Excuse me. I didn't see the signup sheet. I'm sorry.
>> La France, 9731 Sandstone Lane, Port Richie, Florida. Good evening. I have a couple things I wanted to share in my short amount of time. Number one, the fall festival that was held at the waterfront park on November 1st was a big success. A lot of
families and children showed up. The fish fry was excellent. In case you missed it, I'm sorry. Hot dogs were good also. But the the most important thing is that many children were with their uh family members and they came and enjoyed games. We gave out information. some of
the things such as Convention of the States was there. We had uh the Gideonss there. We had the fire department. Woohoo. And the police department there. They were wonderful. And I just wanted to thank you all again for allowing so many cares Tampa Bay Pasco and all those
other ministries that come together in unity to share on your beautiful land. That was number one. Number two is I want you to be aware that Broken but Beautiful Ministries every year Thanksgiving Day and Christmas Day, they provide a free real,
okay? Not a box dinner. And there's if there are any needs in your community in Port Richie, elderly or any shutins who need to have this meal delivered, we would appreciate it if you uh gather those names and contact the particular individuals. I do have a flyer or two
flyers or three for the Port Richie Council here to take because it'd be easier for Julie and Dan Cole to receive the group of names together and we will make sure that they do receive the meals and I'm telling you there are excellent meals. We we uh they're real turkeys.
They're real hams at Christmas. The cranberry is not uh watery and it's very good. And then they have a community afterwards uh dinner at the Church of God up in Hudson. So I just want to let you know that the volunteers are needed.
Also, we served over 800 last year at Christmas, I believe it was, and 750 at Thanksgiving. And last year, many were in hotels because of the floods, the two floods we had. So we were serving the community people in hotels because they
were displaced from the floods. So, uh, mayor, whoever, I may present a couple of these flyers. Just >> Yeah. You, um, you have a question. >> No, I just I'll take one. >> Okay. Well, if we want a record, we get a motion and second a vote on it. Um, or we just leave them out in the lobby. Um,
I'm assuming we can probably post that on our website since it's for families that >> families in need. >> I didn't see an issue with that. >> So, you want accept it in record? >> Yeah. >> Yes. Yeah. >> Okay. Motion accepted into record. Okay.
Second. Okay. Any discussion? All in favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> I. >> Opposed. Motion carries. So you can bring it up. >> Would you like if we can get it on the website shared out so that folks know and can reach out
to us. Hey, we app we appreciate you doing that. Thank you. >> Show hands. Anyone else I can speak? That's Troy. >> Um, thank you Valerie for bringing that. Uh, Troy Peterson, 8114 Leo Kid Avenue,
Port Richie, Florida. Um, just to give you an idea what I got my bodyguard with me. It's funny. Throw me off, bro. But no, it's he just feels like being, you know, how you need a right-hand man.
>> That's what he is. He's my prayer prayer warrior. Um, but we actually get them list of names from Elderly Nutrition from Pasco County because I didn't know this all this all these years ago that elderly nutrition don't get meals and
wheels delivered to them on Thanksgiving and Christmas. Could you imagine elderly shutins? you know, they're used to getting that meal every day, but they don't get it on Thanksgiving and Christmas. So, I I'll tell you what, we were at a prayer meeting today, and the
way God uses that just to unite businesses and the local church. Could you imagine 800 plus meals delivered routes all throughout Pasco County where a team actually shows up your your door
and uh gives you the food and of course offers prayer. Um also I have this if I could I know I can't ask for a motion to receive file but if I could. >> Yeah. You can get a motion to accept in record his motion to accept. Is >> there a second? >> Second.
>> Okay. All in favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> I. >> I. >> Opposed. Motion carries. >> And so, thank you Valerie as well for talking about the harvest fest in the park. That's always a a blessing. Um
Christmas in the park is always a blessing as well. And I so appreciate the fire department, the police department. I mean, all the years working with Tom Senior and him bringing by the toys and even I was trying to
look back how many years ago it was that like dur during co I think was right before you came on that we had this underneath the revival tent that light of the world and you know there were a lot of things that had to be changed during co you know there were people
that were afraid and stuff like that and we were able to do drive-thru or those that didn't want be around people. Um, you know, but this is coming up, of course, working with the city, uh, the city having, uh, you know, their event,
you know, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Uh, but from 11 to 1, um, even if we could at some put it on, you know, the city site that we're really noticing that it is such a blessing when the kids
decorate the tree. It's like a focus where you can draw everybody in. We decorate the tree. Kids decorate the tree, I should say, you know, and then share the true reason for the season. It's that simple. And then, uh, you
know, Santa Claus, uh, you all know who he is. Um, you know, then hands out the toys to the kids and and so it'd be great if we could see you all there. Thank you. >> Yeah. Thanks, Pastor Troy. Show me anyone else like that can speak.
>> Welcome. >> Hi, my name is Gary Cule. Um, I represent uh the organization called COS and I just wanted to stand up here really in support of of Pastor Troy and Valerie. I I was honored to be able to a
to be asked to be part of the uh the uh park um event and I just have to tell you, well, I don't have to tell you, you guys should know already how proud you should be of this fire department and the
police department and the great representation that they give this town because to show up and and be so kind and and so many people go up and they talk to the the police and the firemen and you know these days our youngsters
are afraid of so many things and our parents are are afraid as well. But having this kind of representation with all the churches and the wonderful repres representation that they did and and also having the fire and the police department there was just a fantastic uh
representation of you know community and I think that this community should be very proud of that effort because it makes such a a huge difference when the kids aren't afraid of the police. They'll go to the police when they're in a time of need. when they're when they're not afraid of the fire
department, they will go to the fire department. They will go to the churches. They will go to the places where they know that they feel that they're safe. So, I just wanted to congratulate you people because these events in the parks are to me are very very representative
of my childhood where I had lots of this. We used to have the police coming into the the schools and do do great presentations on why not to do drugs and all this other stuff. And it made a huge difference. And I think you guys are doing the same
thing. You're making a huge difference by having the town and all of your your uh facilities support these kind of meetings. So, thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Appreciate. >> Anyone else like to speak? I guess I'm Daniel Humphrey's warrior of
faith 7026 Whittington Court, Newport Richie. I just wanted to speak to Pastor Troy right here. He's been um nominated for events planner. Um I'd like to give you a little u kind of history of how I met Pastor Troy. Known him for about two years now. I was a baby Christian, kind
of rough around the edges. I think you saw something in me and um he decided to make me a warrior in God's army. And uh I think I just became a full patch member. Instead of lording over me, what he did for me was he washed me and my family's feet in a in a church in
church. And he said, "I'm here to serve you, not the opposite. And I'm his underling, but uh that was what he wanted to tell me." And that's what Christ did for his apostles. So that's the kind of leader that he is. He's he's here to serve. Um that's all he really
cares about. He has a heart for ministry. He has a heart for Pasco County. He always tells me that God is about to move in Pasco and I believe him. So, thank you. >> Thank you. >> Anyone else? >> I'm Paul Atherton. I'm the insurance guy
around this community. One of them. By the way, it's my 60th year in the business. >> Wow. Okay. I just wanted to say I hadn't planned to say a thing but I just wanted to thank you guys and ladies uh for your
tremendous service. Um I moved here with my wife 10 years ago and had res sell sold my agency back in Iowa and u decided that I didn't want to retire.
So, I just keep right on going. And I'm also a Christian. And the Lord spoke to me one day and he said, "Paul,
what's my business all about?" I said, "Well, restoring people." He said, 'What's your business all about? restoring people financially. I wish you had told me that 50 years ago
in my business, but I just wanted to say thank you. And we're enjoying and loving Florida. We're, like I said, we're from Iowa, by the way. Um, the day I moved out of Iowa was 20 below zero. I haven't
been back, but um I am additionally looking forward to becoming a little more involved in community affairs. So um maybe a contact or two, whoever is appropriate. Um I'd
like to be active. >> Yeah, we definitely have boards of positions uh board and committee positions available. Reach out to our clerk and she can tell you where we we need people. >> I see. Okay. Well, thank you so much. >> Thank you. >> Much Okay. Anyone else? >> You're right about the chair.
>> Mr. Burke, welcome. >> Uh Ryan Burke, 4529 Harbor Points. Um apologize to those of you that were at Planning and Zoning. You're going to get to hear it twice. Um and I I am not part of a show for the record. I'm just Ryan Burke. Um, and
we've been hard at work, very hard at work, um, trying to get, uh, a pretty impactful project off the ground, um, over on the waterfront. Um, and I wanted to, as we talked about in the process of getting there, that we wanted to involve you all, we wanted to involve planning
and zoning. We had, uh, a similar thing today with them. Um, and in an informal setting, just really fill you in on where we're at. Um, so I have these that you guys can look at, pass around. Unfortunately, not as many as I had this afternoon, but I think that's to be motioned. >> I got a motion to this.
>> Motion to receive those. >> Second. Okay. Motion second. Any further discussion? All in favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> I. >> Opposed. >> Motion carries. >> Um, so we we listened to the community. We were very open um to what the
community really wanted down there. Um, as a result, we've kind of looked at the project in two phases. Uh, exciting news. you're going to start seeing a lot of activity up there in the coming days. Today, they're out there redoing the silt fence because u the first group they hired to do it uh didn't do it
correctly and so those silt fences are being redone today um and hopefully pass all the the inspections tomorrow. Um and we'll start clearing and demo on Monday. Um we we shifted more residential off
the waterfront. We went more heavy residential. So, the images, the renderings you're seeing are the 19 property with the idea of going less residential on the waterfront um with some larger
condos, but 43,000 square foot of retail space, restaurants, bars, whatever has been there. We're trying to keep it very local. Um so, very heavily resident um uh retail on the waterfront. Most of that retail will
be elevated to a second floor. It'll share that second floor with parking. So, structured parking on the second floor, parking underneath for both the 19 and the waterfront property. Um, the parking uh underneath would allow
residents to use the elevated parking, which means in the event of a storm, something like that, we're not trying to get cars out of there. Um that second floor will be well above the the right elevation as long as as well as the majority of the retail the end caps of
building A which is on property that we can control today. Encaps on building A two stories of retail. All in all um we're investing about $52 million on the 19 property and about $78 millionish
on the waterfront property. um to really bring something that I think will will make the waterfront a place we all want to go to. Um so wanted to share that with you today. I'm here and happy to answer any questions. I know I'm at my time, so if there are questions, I'm
>> I've got some questions, Ryan. >> Yeah, go ahead. >> I mean, this is some stuff here, you know, and thank you for sharing that. >> Okay. Thank you for sharing that. I mean, we are we are excited about this and about what it's going to bring to
our city as far as, you know, a new uh there was an article that was released and Christine posted it today. I haven't had a conversation with her about that yet, but it ranked us as one of the worst places to live because of the flooding and the houses built 1982, blah blah blah blah blah. This is the kind of
stuff we need. This is the new news. This is the stuff we need to post out there to say, "Hey, this is what could be coming to our city and this is what's going to be new in our city." So, thank you to you and your team uh for the work you're doing for this. My question for you is how long how long is this all going to take um because I mean that
that's a question. >> It's a great question. Um one of the things I did not know is the amount of things you have to do to clear a lot. Um so we first had to do our gopher tor gopher tortoise study. Um we turned that in. There were no gopher tortoises thankfully. Then we found out we need an
asbestous study. We did the asbestous study, found out there's no asbestous. Then we had to find proof that there was no buried septic on the 19 lot. Um, and that took some digging and we we found we got our our evidence there's no buried septic. At that point, we were
able to actually start clearing. We didn't start the clearing process and that I mean that setting up the soul fences until we knew financially we could do this like we can make this project work. Um, a big help to making that work is we've hired an outside firm
that was uh has a HUD department. And HUD, everyone knows, is not like affordable living. It's just government financing for certain projects. So, we're able to get kind of pre-approval for HUD financing for the project. that allows us to do and control everything. The build,
getting, you know, the residents in there, controlling the retail, making sure it's what we want as a community and and hopefully the community is excited for. Um, HUD is very, very strict that once you go to your interview, that starts the formal process, you cannot do anything on that
land. Cannot change it one bit until that loan is approved. So, we have to clear it. The minute we clear it, we will go have our interview. Our hope is early spring. We have shovels in the ground. Our plan is 2027.
We have people living in it. Um, and that would be phase one. We're going to stage it. So, the plan is phase one will start and for efficiency, the builder can move their contractors that are doing pilings. They're done pilings on the 19 property. They can move them over
to the waterfront. And so we staged them, but they're pretty successive. Um, and the flexibility and the financing that we're doing, the debt financing portion of it that we're doing is allows us to do that. Um, and right now what we're trying to solve for is
uh myself and a couple partners, we've put in um roughly now about a little north of 11 million into the project. Um, we're going to have a gap of about roughly 4 and a.5 million we're trying to solve for. So, hoping to to
find an easy way to do that, but I don't think that's going to be hard. I think we can do it pretty quickly. So, as soon as we get that approval, our plan is to be ready to put shovels in the ground the next day. >> So, can I ask a question? This may be a question some of the residents have, so I want to ask it because you're here.
>> This is your project. >> This is your baby. >> It is. >> You're going to be standing there cutting the ribbon on opening day. They're not bringing in any outside people, any Wall Street people, other investors from Texas or Tennessee or none of this stuff. It's It's Ryan Burke and his team. Is that correct? >> It's me. It's one of my neighbors.
>> No, I'm I'm I'm asking. >> That is 100% correct. >> You're not flipping this. You're not doing any of that stuff. >> Okay. I'm not sure where those >> I wanted to clarify that cuz >> No, I've been head down in this along with um running another company, helping
my daughter, she's 12, get her company off the ground, wearing her hat tonight. I started a girls golf clothing line. >> All right. >> Um but been head down on this. I live a I don't know, maybe a mile and a half from this. And our whole point from day one, which I said was we want to have
something here that we are proud of, we can go to is safe, brings community together, promotes small businesses in the area, and gives people a place to live here that they're really proud of and safe away from flooding, brand new. Um, I think some of the renderings in
there, you'll see like we're not cut cutting corners. It is going to be very, very nice. Um, and that's really important to us. >> Thank you. You're welcome. Is there any other questions? Thanks. See what the pack you have. If uh these
are renderings of the 19 property, um it has some information about the uh the commercial side with the building one, building A and building B on the Gildog restaurant property. Um but uh there's no reason for that. It's just just the residential portion. So obviously there's more to come on on those plans
as well. tough. >> We could The reason for that is we wanted to get feedback from planning and zoning, see if they said, "Hey, no, what if you incorporate this? What if you change that before we invest in additional dollars in getting the renderings of the waterfront?" But we, this one, we actually have the plans.
We've had engineering in. We can build that. Um, so next we'll we'll come back hopefully at I think the next council meeting is in a couple weeks. Sorry, >> maybe not make it by then, but probably the one in December will have the renderings of the waterfront.
>> So, the plan is for this open side to >> the park that'll face the park. >> Yeah, property that'll face the park. One of the things we really want to work with the city on is how do we tie it all together? I think there's a real case to be made that the park creating something
that connects the park into that waterfront district can create a pretty amazing, you know, it's a jogging loop or walking loop and pedestrian friendly pull it all together. >> Maybe an overbridgeidge or something like that. >> Yeah, that would be awesome. >> Maybe there's kind of a weird awkward
little pier coming down from the park and nothing across the park. There's a lot of options I think we can really explore and do some really neat things. We got a blank canvas here and we could really do a good job as long as we all work together. >> Yep. 100% agree. >> So, we'll we'll bring renderings of the
the waterfront in the next month. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Thank you, Rob. >> Seemed really I mean, they were great. So, we're going to move forward on getting the plans on the next one. >> Awesome. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, sir. >> And Ryan, if I could have you stay up here for one second. I didn't want to mix up with the other proclamations, but
I knew he's going to be speaking. So, >> kind of embarrassed now. >> So, so Ryan and his company, Port Richie, our whole company was one of our Centennial sponsors. They were our second level $10,000 sponsor. So, u we had a presentation for the plaques that we got made for all the sponsors. He
wasn't able to be there to get that. So, I wanted to take opportunity to present that to him tonight. Thank you for your donation. One more. >> Perfect. >> Thank you, Ryan. >> Thank you. Okay. Any other public comment before we move on?
Seeing none, we'll bring back council and open up to comments from the city management. >> Thanks, Mr. Mayor. uh got to say it's inspiring to uh hear all the great things going on in this community that Miss Lefrance talked about community efforts like that, the pride in our fire department and uh
police department and uh Pastor Troy's words uh seeing our elected officials at every level cooperating for the greater good and then here hearing what private industry is doing down at the waterfront improving our our crown jewels. So uh just great to be back. Uh first I want
to thank the staff for covering for me. Sal leading sitting in my seat and the whole staff uh taking care of things while I was unavoidably out. So I really appreciate that from uh the staff. Uh it's already been mentioned uh Ryan mentioned earlier the planning and zoning board meeting met at 1:00 this
afternoon to discuss a land development code amendment definitions for special needs and senior housing uses and off streetet parking requirements. So this will come to you at the next meeting as it's passed PNZ. Fire department has a lot going on. First, the controlled burning of the
city's brush pile has begun. Public works and fire have been uh coordinating with the department of forestry to burn the existing brush pile, which was pretty massive. And burning will end this Friday. Fire department also recently completed helicopter and hoist training to support rescue operations.
fire chief. He can talk about it if you have any questions, but he I sent him out to state last week to uh check out a vote for the uh fire department vote that was approved in the uh FY26 budget and uh we can bring that information to
council if uh people have questions. Um police uh police department organized a regional crime prevention meeting at city hall earlier today which included several outside agencies uh on auditing. Good news, bad news. The good news is a bid opening for city auditing services
will take place tomorrow. Uh the bad news is we still haven't got our audit from last year back from the firm, but we're uh we've got our attorney uh team uh trying to force that issue, get that out of their hands uh so we can answer the state and the Florida
League of Cities. So, more to follow on that. Um there'll be an open house tomorrow. might have been mentioned during the CRA meeting, but tomorrow to gather ideas for park improvement. It's open to the public for Bradford, Nick, Waterfront, and Olsen Parks and Derek Smith and S
and other staff members uh will join the uh Tampa Bay Bay Regional Planning Council team that's uh coming up here to uh do that. They're very excited about the opportunity to help us improve things. Uh there'll be another blood drive uh Tuesday the 25th, the day of
the next council meeting here at city hall from noon to 5:00. you can roll right from the big red bus to uh to join the meeting. And let's see, there's some upcoming meetings. The events committee is planning on meeting both on the 18th and the 24th because uh I think in large
part because there's really trying to put together that Christmas uh event which we'll need to make sure we uh deconlict with the flyer that uh we received this evening. Um so again on the 18th and the 24th at 6 pm events committee meeting open to the public. Uh
Tuesday the 25th uh there will be a city council workshop to discuss code compliance magistrate options and new system abatement. That's at 3 p.m. on November 25th and Tuesday the 25th or will be the uh aforementioned city
council regular meeting at 6. Then a reminder right after that city hall will be closed Thanksgiving Day the 27th and the day after Friday. So um then lastly um um I just when I
accepted this uh position as an interim knowing you needed a long-term solution with a city manager who lives in Fort Richie and has invested longterm as a resident. I've uh I've thoroughly enjoyed working with city staff and would suggest we uh that uh the council do everything you can to hold on to all
these great employees. They're an experienced and valuable team and you it's hard to come by that great corporate knowledge that we have here. As you know, I was fully prepared to offer more time here. Uh but uh when the council pivoted and found your long-term
candidate quickly, I uh presume I need to do the same. I'm very happy Don has agreed to come become your long-term resident city manager. I'll start pursuing other opportunities that have come up closer to home and uh my wife Lisa and I would love to spend some of
the holidays together. So I think the timeline of turnover with Don is still fuzzy, but I'll work with work with you, excuse me, work with you to give him the best possible turnover I can. Okay, that's all for now. >> Thank you. Thanks.
It's good to have you back. >> Yes, it is good. It's good to be back. Thank you. >> Okay. Next up is comments from boards committees. Do we have any board committees comments? >> Okay. >> Rodriguez has offered to make the
comments. >> Okay. >> Um we'll show >> Yeah. >> Um you know, we've been talking about doing painting on the older wall. Um, so the CIC has been talking about this for
me. Do you want my name and address? >> Linda Rodriguez, 5917 Lantern Court. Haven't moved. >> So, we've been talking about this for probably years, I think, right? A long long long long time. So, thank goodness for Lisa. I'm looking at Lisa, Lorie
Simpson. She's been absolutely instrumental in getting this done. So, we have we came up with a um a nonartic idea of what we want on the wall because
Lori and I and the people on the CHC are non artistic. So, I have a little it's just blank. Um we have we kind of had ideas. We we kind of we wanted to do historic because we had no other idea. Um, we've talked about this and there was no money
previously when we talked about this for for a um a professional artist. I'm hoping that'll change where you see my rendition. >> I don't know where you want me to put this. So, I'm just going to put this here. I don't know if you can see. I'll just This is the first part.
>> Gary, >> I'll turn it around to everybody in a minute. >> Um, >> we don't have any procedural thing for committee, do we? To >> No. Okay. Not for committee. Okay. I'm behind you, Linda. >> Bob's like, "What about me?" >> I I'll show it to you in a minute, Bob.
Hold on. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome. The Indians because that's where it started, the Weeden Indians, and they settled along the Florida coast. So, what I did was we measured, we thought as you walked in the f at the
wall at the gate, >> you Michael, there's the pick up. At the gate, we would do welcome to Port Richie Olter Park. This would not start till after the bathrooms because to put a a mural behind the bathroom is kind of silly, right? So, we thought we'd start
after that. Um, so this is just an example. This is the wall. We put the Indian first. >> Oh, you need help here. >> Aaron Richie, obviously the bear who was named after would go there. And then Martha Olsen, that's the only picture we
have. I'm sure we can get a better picture of her, but just as an idea there. I did measure the wall is six foot tall and I didn't bring my papers. Um there's like 19 ft between the we have um gaps in the bottom for drainage.
So there's 19 feet between those gaps. I tried to encourage to put that down also to try to have continuity. I thought we were thinking just grass like grass with the different kind of fish that we have in the uh river and the dock.
Continuing on, this is all continuous as you can see. I'll hold it up. Thank you, Carolyn helping me. And we I will turn it around in a second. So then we would put >> I know we're doing a new symbol, but just for purposes, we put that in there, >> which would be the new city logo.
>> Exactly. >> Awesome. >> Exactly. The new way, but I don't have that one. I'll hold this for you. >> Thanks, Rob. Thank you. Um, so when we were talking about doing something instead of painting this on the wall, getting something whether it be metal or
um, acrylic, >> just mounting it, >> mounting it so it's so it stands out a little bit. This is Port Richie. That's our new symbol. We would do that. >> I ran out we ran out of ideas, so I just put a mounted tea. It's a really cool manatee. I'm really not artistic. We put our coordinates of
>> It could be a hot dog, too. I mean, >> banana. >> Hey, there you go. >> I'm hoping this I'm hoping this >> my mind's running away with me right now. >> I'm hoping that manity sways you to what my last question said. >> Oh, yeah.
>> Um, the coordinates and then we at couple years ago CAC, we did the pelican as the um symbol for Port Richie. Put that there. We were coming up to Veterans Day and I thought it was really appropriate to put the flag with thank you to veterans and first responders.
Thank you guys behind me. And then the shrimp boat's here and then this is where the water is. That's why I brought the shrimp boat there. >> How are we going to do this? We're not artistic. >> Can you show? >> Yes, we'll put it out there. And Bob
>> there, Bob, can you see? So the Indian that's where we started. Aaron little a little closer. You >> want me to stand up on the uh on the camera? >> This is Bob's camera. The camera behind me. >> This camera.
>> Oh, I didn't know that was a camera. >> That's a camera. Yeah, that's the zoom camera. >> There are two cameras. >> If you need any uh help with like trees, shrubs, dolphins, anything like that, I'd be happy to help out. Work in that in that area. But that was pretty cool. So that's kind of what
that's kind of I think we can put that down. Thank you my assistants. I appreciate your help. Um so we were thinking how are we going to accomplish it? We've asked for artists to come and give us ideas and nobody was able to.
No, nobody told us I'm an artist. I can do this. We've reached out to a couple people. Since then I've there are some other things that we've reached out to. I'm hoping that the council will allow us to maybe pay for an artist to do something really nice. This is our idea.
This is not an artistic. Maybe an artist has a better idea of what to do. Maybe you guys have better ideas of what to do. We just wanted to get this ball rolling. Lori really wanted us to like get a projector and start painting on the wall. Our the Lori unfortunately
wasn't there. She was out of town last meeting. But we kind of felt we didn't want this to look like an amateur did it because we are amateurs. It's not it's not an insult. It's the truth. We really want it to be professional. We want this to be the start of something that's really great.
Ryan is doing a whole bunch of stuff. We don't want this to be second class. We want this to be first class and we want it to be beautiful. Um, somebody, one of our residents and former CIC members was just in Mount Dora and it's a beautiful mural wall and I was trying to get in
touch with the city. I finally found out that it was a business that paid for this beautiful mural. So, I've uh got on their Facebook u Mount Door's Facebook page and asked for artists hoping hoping that artist will reach out to me because I don't know who that was and some other people have been reaching out. I'm
hoping the council will allow us when we come to that point, maybe we can get some money and do a professional really nice job on that wall. I think we I think that the it will be the start of making the city more beautiful than it is.
>> Have you checked with the >> Have you checked with the 19 sign guy? >> He does charge as well. >> I know. I know. Maybe if you buttered him up a little bit, said, "Hey, we'll let you put your logo down there somewhere." >> Right. >> If you give us the deal on doing this because he he does a fine job.
>> Yeah. >> He's He's professional. >> Well, I just kind of want to get I If you all say, "No, we're not paying for artists." I'm not reaching out to artists. >> We weren't >> pay. No, I No, I No, I know you didn't, Chris. I'm just saying we have in the past there's been no money. So that's why I kind of wanted to get the blessing to say I don't know how much it would
cost, but I'd like to get the blessing to say at least we can investigate it and bring back M and things here if you if you're willing to at least >> we would rather pay for a good job than not pay for a bad job. >> We agree. We agree. >> Yeah, I I think if you guys get some
estimates and bring it back, whatever. >> Weren't you talking about starting that next next weekend? >> Yeah, we we're going to I was waiting till tonight to talk to you all before we canceled that. >> Right. I didn't, you know, I don't want to start this back and forth and make making wrong posts and stuff like that. So, >> good idea. And there's a shop down in
Newport, Richie. Um, it's uh Hudson Postal, whatever. >> They individually have different where people paint. You might want to stop in there. >> Okay. >> In there because they have people that paint that sort of thing. >> And and I don't know, I mean, maybe you
guys have ideas. Are you liking the historical thing or do you want something just like nautical fishy or You're prof I think you're going after a professional to pull it all together as a wise move. >> Okay, good. >> Um and I got to tell you, if that guy can make that ugly little shack on 19 look that good, he probably make our wall look pretty good, too.
>> We'll absolutely contact him. >> Yeah. And we have contacted him. That's how we we thought he would like volunteer and then we found out he c charged and that's why we >> Well, maybe he'll be reasonable with us if we let him put his little 19 sign up. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Any artists that would want to be a part of that would uh would give us a
good price if they could have their name on it. Sure. Um >> we'll pursue that. >> Yeah, we did. Um you do guys have $2,000 authorized already, I think, was what we start with. But obviously, >> and that was just for painted supplies. Yes. >> Which obviously if you they would you haven't spent any of that yet, right?
>> Nope. >> So we could um look at whatever comes back, but I can't imagine it' be that huge of a cost anyway. Uh so I think it's a great idea if we get some estimates. >> Okay. >> We behind them look at it. >> We've already put feelers out, but we'll we'll >> what you have. Ask them, you know, how
long is it going to take? What does it cost? And let's find out what as a group what it takes to get that done. >> Yep. Yeah. Perfect. >> I don't know. There's several murals in Newport. I don't know who did those, but those are nice, too. And maybe >> Yeah, there's a lot of nice murals around. A lot of a lot of the girls have been um like in their travels, they've
had them and we were showing them and and all and Rob, not only just girls. Um so, yes, we will continue to pursue that. I think you're right with the logo >> on a piece of metal >> like aluminum, something that will outlast the paint. You can just leave and then just repaint if you had to
retouch up the paint, but the sign stays the same. And if it looks bad, you just replace it. >> Adds a little dimension to it, too, as well. >> Exactly. It does. >> Permanency. I you know, it it makes it stand out. This is Port Richie instead of just >> You saw the logo. That logo there. >> Oh, it's beautiful. I liked it. I I liked the idea of the I didn't want to stand up because you all had it. But
like making the the uh the orange on the bottom and the writing makes it stand out much better. Much better. >> Okay. Are we done with that? >> Thank you. >> Perfect. All right. Next. You have in your packet, welcome to City of Port Richie,
>> I think. Right. >> Yes. >> We've talked about newsletters. So, um, we came up with this as a idea for a welcome, um, Fort Richie.
We did theformational contact, city hall, the hours, etc. I'm not going to read it all to you, but, um, city council meetings. I kind of put in there because we really do, I know you, we I know you all want participation, so I put in here when they were, what the rules were. I remember coming here at
the beginning and not knowing that you had to sign up. What you had to do that theoretically you guys don't really talk to people when they have their three minutes. I know you do sometimes, but I didn't want anybody to be offended if you didn't talk to them or if they had a question. So, I just kind of put some
general guidelines in there for that. Um, put all the boards and committees in here and I took this out of off our website. Um, the only thing that I think was changed was what?
Maybe port authority or planning. It was just a little bit more embellished. I think S did that for me. Sal and I worked together on this. I did an initial one and then I gave it to Sal and Sal um proof read it. I maybe Ashley too. Proof read it and and added and deleted from here. >> We get this to the new res.
>> I'm coming to that. >> Um, I put on here about the CRA residential and commercial grants, all that in here so that people knew about that. all that our parks and then the water bills and brush. So, as it's a welcome to Port Richie,
but a lot of residents don't know this information as well. So, I was proposing a one-time mail out to all the residents for this. Then after that, one time, everybody gets this now, but let's say I sell my house next week, not selling my
house. Next person when they come to sign up for the water bill, then they get it. >> Hand it to them. >> Hand it to them. >> So it'll only be a cost of a one time >> sign up for the water bill. They got to come in and sign up. >> Yes. >> Yes. So that that would be the new welcome, but everybody would start on
the same page with the information. Whether you're here a week, a month, 10 years, 30 years, now you have the information. So it would be a one-time charge for this. So when I came when we were talking about this um Andy had
asked S to do this as well. But what S did which I think is phenomenal is the bayou beat which I really love the name of that. This would be more of a newsletter like Newport Richie does. And this would be mailed to the
residents, you know, whether you choose once a year, twice a year, quarterly, whatever the council decides. um kind of like a you can't put every event in here because those events change, the dates change, things like that. But just a
general overview like the water um the water department uh things we're looking to do for the fire department. We're getting new police car, you know, all that sort of stuff. Those general overview things to put in there so our residents know about it. So, um kind of
looking for approval, I guess. or if you all want to do these both these things. Maybe one or one of or the other or none or both. >> I love these. I think they're fantastic. Great way to connect with the city and let them know everybody that lives here
what's going on and where to go, what to do, and >> good job. >> I love this. >> Thank you. >> Great idea. It's something that I think we should definitely do. They come from the water bill. They got them sitting in a stack of thousand there. You're seeing a mouth. >> Mhm. Everybody's ditch.
>> No, not everybody. >> Oh, hold on. >> Okay. >> The majority of the people that are not going to see Jesus, but are, you know, coming to Jesus, you know what I mean? They're those people are digital. >> And the new people coming in are digital. >> So, I'm not saying we can't do this, but
I'm just telling you every agency that I'm associated with across the country, we're doing away with paper and we're going to digital. So, is there a place we can do this? a link on the website, click on the bayou beat, you know, I mean, here here's the here's the connection. All we got to do is go to the city website. Here's your bayou beat. Boom. And this whole thing's right
there. We don't have to spend any money. It's just done digitally. >> That's all possible. And I I had this conversation with the CIC when I attended their meeting uh last week and we we discussed that issue and even with the concept of doing a newsletter, what you what you have to do is that you have to compete against the digital world.
And the thing is with the new with the newsletters nowadays, they have to be more informative than telling you about something that happened today because what happens in the digital world that's posted automatically, right? So like an event or or like you know just for instance the the pictures and stuff that we took today. Putting that in a
quarterly newsletter about them receiving the you know they receiving proclamations is not really going to point it out because I'm going to post that immediately tonight first thing tomorrow morning. That'll be out digitally. So then why wait for something like that to be in a newsletter? The newsletter's got to aim
to be more informative information that a person can rely on um you know that if they need specific phone numbers, if they need points of contact, if they need to know information about the police department, events that you could put in there f you know further ahead than your quarter, you know, than your
quarterly newsletter is going to be. It has to be managed that way. So then your information is still pertinent when you're versing the digital world. That's the only way paper will still work today is that when you release something, it's still got to be pertinent enough that you have digital media going out all the
time. Facebook, uh, Instagram, you know, the website. But this newsletter is to is to the uh, you know, to the elderly people who don't really don't know how to surf a computer to to the people don't who can't afford the computer at home or anything like that. And they'll still have this pertinent information at
the house that they can put on their, you know, put put on their refrigerator and say, "I got to call somebody." That's who I talk to. if I if I have to reach out for that, that's who I, you know, that's who I contact. So that's how the newsletter in in today's society has to be forwarded to. You have to kind of you have to second guess the digital
world to paper because like you said, I completely agree with you is that paper, you know, it's just like snail mail, you know, you know, you're waiting three days for a letter where you can just send it as an email, right? So the thing is is that what you have to do is that make sure when you're sending that mail like you know the and the mail service
is still used today very popular the mail service what's going out in the mail though is that those official documents or those official things that may that may repeat what the email said but then may require an actual digital signature or wet signature. So you know what I'm saying? So there's still that
use for paper because then why why have the mail service? Do you understand what I'm saying? >> That's what I'm wondering. and wonder why we have the mail. Just so you know, it's like, you know, I everything that comes to my mailbox that that is junk mail gets trashed. The minute I get it out of my mailbox, it goes right to the
trash. It's a waste of time. So, if we're trying to really impact the city or for us, we should figure out a way to have it. You know, let's come up with a committee or people that's handling these things. Let's do it twice a year, whatever. Let's go out there and meet people, say, "Hey, we just want to let you know this is who we are. And by the
way, in here there's a place where you can make a donation to the fire department or make donation to the police department, whatever it may be, you know, and and get to know the city. That's more of a way to do it versus the, you know, we only knock on their door if we want their votes. We need to knock on their door and just tell, hey, we're here in the studio.
>> Well, we did talk about um having this discussion as well going whether we should just go digital or not is um I was going to talk to um George, but I did not unfortunately. um seeing if there was a way that we this does go on our website on the Port Richie um
official website, but when we send this out, put a number on here. I don't want to get the mail. I only want to get it digitally. Is there a way that we can sign that up? You know what I mean? Like like so you could sign up for digital and not mail and but I did not get in touch with George. So I'm sorry that was my
>> get their email address and their phone number when they sign up for. >> Yes. >> So if they don't have an email address on file then we might want to deliver 150 of these things to people who are waiting for meals to get delivered. If that's the person you're talking about that's sitting at home that doesn't have any digital stuff.
>> I' I'd have to confer with the city attorney on this as far as using that email or phone number information for utilities that would have to have utility information on it in order to utilize those. You know what I'm saying? I know that. But I'm just that's what I'm just clarifying that so you understand that is that you can't you
have to be careful >> there's our phone and >> she'll explain that is that it has to be you know when people provide that information it's protected information and you can't just I I I can't just pull all their emails to send out anything random. So that's what I'm saying is I'm
just letting you know that's information >> if I'm wrong if I'm wrong please. >> No I think that's I think that's a good explanation of it. Um, you know, you could obviously love the idea of having a newsletter in general. Probably quarterly might be the right um cadence.
Um, the uh we do have the people that do get the the water bill and if we could add I think we have we can add some information on there um that coincides with the newsletter that would have the digital link and all that. And then on the newsletter itself um on that digital
link if we had some information if you would like to if you you know if you have issues where you can't use computer or whatever obviously how are they going to know that >> opt in so that goes on a water bill but you can opt in for it you know I don't I don't have a problem if there's a handful of folks that um that don't uh
that aren't technology savvy that they willing to do that um sign up and we could send it out and we could always obviously if it gets to be overburdensome um we could uh we could you know if they really want it that way we could charge a nominal fee to cover that or something
but uh again I don't know we would have a whole lot of people that would really want that um but I don't know but I don't want to exclude anybody for sure so but I don't want to do a mass mailing either because probably 90% of that is waste more than likely because most people probably are online. This is
super cool job. >> So do you want to I mean like do you like did you like this one? >> Want to move on this one? right away. >> Okay, >> I'll make a motion. Whatever we have to do to make >> Well, I don't know. Y'all figure that out. I just want to I just want to separate I I brought them up together. I also have Carolyn is here for something
as well for the CIC. >> I don't want to trash this either. I think it's a great job and you and your team, whatever. S >> Yeah, Sal s did this. Yeah. >> I like Well, Linda, Linda did the basic, you know, all posted the work on the welcome. Um like I said, my wife and I,
we just basically we we proofread it. We just added some pertinent a little bit of pertinent information, but that was basically her building concept, but uh Kim and I developed the the BUB together. She uh we basically correlated with all the pertinent information trying to combine that. She did a lot of
the you know, the format layout. So I want to give, you know, great thanks to her and her help. Absolutely. >> And um but like I said, what we can do is like I said, we can add it to the you know, we can add a language to the water bill, >> do something like that and just start just start getting out and getting that information to everybody. Actually, if
we if we go forward on this and we're going to mail this out to everybody, >> um, >> we incorporate the by you beat information onto this so that they can go and sign up for it. >> That's a good idea. >> So, are we okay to at least do one mass mailing of one or the other, >> which we do both? You send them both out
in the mass mailing, >> the poor Richie thing, the antibody beat, the initial one, and let them know if you want to see this every quarter to >> how does how do we get charged for for mailing? It's probably number pages way. Yeah, I'd have to confer with the um with Veronica from development services
because they do the hurricane newsletter and basically what it is is that it's kind of funny when he when he mentioned that junk mail. Um that's the kind of same type of you know mass mailing billing method or that we use. It goes into the same way that they you they basically outline the city's outline
34668 but not the outer 34668 just within the city limits and then that's what everything gets mailed to and it goes out at the same time as when those other flyers and handouts go out to people. >> So you're talking about every door direct mail, >> right? So that's yeah the only and that's that covers most of the city. Um
case of point though her neighborhood does not is a separate route. >> Um and so that it's a much bigger route that she's a part of and her and candle light and all that. So >> we try to add them when >> So those would probably have to go differently. >> Water bills, don't worry. >> Right. Right. That's another thing. If we could if we could attach them to
inserts into the water bill for the first time, I think that'd be the the cheapest way to do it. >> That I'd have to talk to >> we got the money that in the past and that wasn't able to be done. That wasn't able to incorporate in the water bill some for some reason. >> And then plus the fact that you you got to remember that you got the difference between city residents and then the
outside jurisdiction that we provide water and sewer to. So we'd have to we'd have >> those are code we know who's inside and who's outside. So >> it would probably be easier to use an email method because we can segregate those as opposed to trying to incorporate in the water bill. We can add a message to the water bill itself
in informing about this information. But adding this to the bill, we'd have to confer with the company to see if that's possible because it that would just be extra cost for addition to beailed out. >> It would be extra cost, but if it's lesser cost than actually doing a single mailing, right? And then, you know, just I'm looking at all the avenues to try to
save the most money. But I I think these are great and I think this goes a long way. >> We get this going out. This is a great way for us to start to get back on the map here. >> Good. And Carolyn also from the CAC. She's got one last thing.
>> Good to see that CAC working hunger. >> Good evening. I'm Caroline Gonzalez. Um 8648 Candid Lane. I'm here as the secretary for the citizen advisory committee. I believe you all have some paper. It says sponsor a teacher for the holidays. >> That's email.
>> Oh, I'm sorry. Via email. Um, you should have the flyer for sponsor a teacher for the holidays as well as calling all Port Richie teachers and then a suggested teacher wish list. So, we came together. This was actually an idea that we had
for um the beginning of the school year and then we thought well children you know we I know we have the backpack drive and all that so we thought children take supplies and they get supplies but teachers they don't um sometimes so we went through um school
list and everything you see like they say suggested for the community like for community group for the staff um staffing room and planning the items that they need. So, we decided um and it took a while for us to figure it out, but sponsor a teacher for the holidays. Uh we know this is like a fast
approaching um item. So, we were we thought from November 13th, 2025 through December 23rd, 2025, um we would have a box here at city hall where people could come up and pick up a wish list, which would be the suggested teacher wish
list, and they would drop off the items here at city hall. Things like hand sanitizer, disinfecting wipes, baby wipes, um Ziploc bags, aluminum foil, index cards, copy paper, paper clips, and binder clips. anything a teacher may
need to teach her classroom um or for the children. So, we were thinking also to give the teacher their gifts at the CAC meeting in January 8th, 2026. So, between December 23rd and January 8th, we can get together. The teachers also would they have to be within the city of
Port Richie. So, it's a Port Richie city resident um teacher. She would list he or she will list five items. They would write their name, the name of the school. We only have one school in the city limit. So we didn't go just for that school. Um so the name of the school and the grade and the subject.
They would say let's say they have five items from here and then we would come together grab the teachers wish list grab the items and put them and then that day in the CAC we would go ahead and um distribute it to the teachers. This is an idea that we would we would
like to move forward to forward with if we can and we would need your approval for that. Any questions? So, it's just for the just for teachers that live within the >> Yes. And they would have to um email our council leaison, which is councilwoman
um Sullivan, and she would go ahead and just check she they would send their address, their name, their five items, the name of the school and the grade and the subject. She would check the address to make sure it's within the city limits and then um they can participate. >> So, they have to live in the city.
>> They have to live within the city limits. I mean, what I don't see where you hold it to live in the city when they're teaching the kids in the city. Why would you want to help? >> What schools in the cities? >> I thought we were talking about a school. >> No, this is just teachers occupation.
>> Any teacher >> any teacher that lives within the city limits? Yes. >> Teacher of anything >> anything >> at all. >> Well, they >> Well, you know, >> yeah, great subject. I didn't think about that one. But more for teachers from K through,
>> you know what I'm saying? I mean, >> middle school. I mean, not middle school, high school. >> Okay, that's school teachers. >> School teachers. >> Thank you. >> So, I have some some questions. Attorney probably needs to weigh in on some of this, too. So, um, so just for the those who live in a city, um, there's no
there's no taxpayer funds being expended. This is a you guys are facilitating a donation from the public to transfer that to teachers, right? So, >> correct. It's something that anybody like let's say for me as a resident personal I want to buy school supplies and I want to go drop off drop it off
here in the box and then it's given to a teacher and then any items that we have remaining then we can donate as I I'm assuming the CAC can get together and then we'd bring it for approval we want to donate to >> right >> golf high what whoever >> called >> teacher gift what's the name for it
>> we have sponsoring teacher for the holidays drive >> the only complication I in that is you're saying the teachers do a list >> but people just bring things in and drop it off. >> How do you >> I think that they they're going to put
post a list of what's needed and that's what drives the donations. >> Right. So we would say like the list what I did is I put this list together. This was from school supply list that for this year 2025 2026 as well as some teachers input like things that they need. Um, and mostly it's like that
disinfecting wipes, uh, Expo markers, uh, crayons for the little ones, uh, number two pencils already sharpened, uh, pens, um, another thing that highlighters, glue sticks. Um, and I I put also like recess toys because they
were asking that, jump ropes, chalks, balls, things like that. And so the legal question I wanted to ask that um let's say that we do this, I think it's great to to help out this these these folks. Um but does that open us up to having to if somebody comes in that
maybe something we we aren't necessarily wanting to support, they have equal access to that some us facilitating a drive for them. Does that make sense that question? >> Um are are you asking because if you're supporting this organization but you're not supporting this organization?
>> Yeah. Say somebody comes in from uh the yoga teachers or whatever the what yoga teachers yoga teachers and they want they want to be able to include it in this process. Does that open us up to have to you know we do it for one we got to do it for all type thing. >> I don't I don't see any implications in that regard. If you make it specific that it's for school teachers that live
within the county within the city. I don't I don't think it would subject you to being over inclusive and having to include every single teacher of any >> Well, I'm not I'm not saying just teachers but let's say something totally different. thinking of something way more gory than that. >> Just anything that we we that might be
controversial or whatever where they they want us to to do a uh a drive for their organization, >> right? >> I don't see as much different than boys for it. >> Yeah. I I I don't I don't I don't see as I sit here right now, I don't see any any issue in that.
>> Okay. I just want to make sure that we're not open Pandora's box where everybody's going to be lining up wanting us to facilitate. >> No, I do not I do not see any issue as I sit here right now. I could also, you know, triple check this with Miss Meyer as well, you know, out of after the meeting, but as of right now, I wouldn't
see an issue. >> I can check change also the verbiage here and then specifically put because I do see where there's that discrepancy. I didn't think about yoga teachers like that, but I can put, you know, prek through um high school, 12th grade. I mean, we're limiting that school
teachers. >> Yeah, >> that's something great. >> It's true. There's different teachers and >> and a well focused program like that yields better results too. So >> I Yes. And and that's a great suggestion because it's true. I didn't think about that. It just says Port Richie teachers. >> I think it's a great idea.
>> So >> as long as long as it doesn't open us up to any any issues something we might not want to get moving on. It's coming quick. >> Yeah. I'm okay with it. >> That's why we we said and also please let us know like we had said to start tomorrow, but I can start sometime next week. >> Handle the display or the box or
whatever we're going to do out here. I have um >> glossies and everything. >> I have my my husband is going to be wrapping box and making it pretty my helper. So that's I would do the display. I would put it out here just the box and then if we need another one then
obviously we'll bring another one. Um just like a mediumsiz box and whoever would like to donate can donate. I was thinking um going through this you know. So we are >> the door in the building here and getting >> give me your stuff. you know um just anyone businesses maybe they want to
sponsor they want to give something or or anyone um so that's that's for this >> yeah so any objections on >> before with that program objection >> may I ask a question >> who is going to coordinate when this
teacher wants this this and this who is who is going to coordinate uh you have all these these boxes full of stuff. >> You got to take it out. Who is going to physically do that? >> The committee >> and coordinate that
>> with this teacher wants this, that teacher wants that. Somebody's going to have that's going to be labor intensive. >> There's about five of us in the committee and we decided we're so ahead here. The question was who going to basically facilitate that? And
so the answer is CAC has a group of folks that will be doing that. >> Yes. And that's why we have such a a a big span amount. Well, not as big, but from December 23rd through January 8th, um we have that time to put everything, organize it together. >> Yeah.
>> So, we've been think and then anything else you guys may think of. I mean, this is just something for us that we want to get involved. We want, you know, citizens advisory committee to be out there and and >> it's just we're all working together. So, >> so you got to you got to appro forward. So,
>> yeah, >> you got a thumbs up. >> We're good to go. >> By consensus, you are good to go. >> Good. Thank you. And then if I have a minute to if I can change my hat as vice chairwoman of um the events committee. Um I do not know, Mayor Hoover, if that's something that we can bring up
about the insurance for the crafts. >> Oh, for the events. Um yeah, and actually I was going to cover some stuff. Is that only Okay. Was that the only thing you had for events? >> That's the only thing. And I just can I just make the comment that we are still looking for vendors. >> Sure. >> Um we have vendors for December 5th
already. Um I believe we have all of them, but mostly food vendors. I think it's only food vendors. We have already of them. I think I believe it's five or six. Um and then we are looking for vendors for December 6 and December 7 for crafts, um businesses, anything,
anyone that wants to market. Um that's it. It's all I got tonight. Okay, thanks. >> Thank you. >> I'm gonna That was a good segue into the >> Thank you, ladies. >> Welcome.
>> Yeah. I just uh again the same theme. Uh we don't have a marketing department, a public information department. This is a labor of love that volunteers like Mrs. Liceri and Caroline and Linda do. And I just I can't thank them enough. Uh for a small staff, we can't do everything. And so we really rely on the volunteer
spirit. Thanks, Mr. Thanks. Um, carry off from the event committee. So, we we met this past uh Monday, was it? I lose track of days, but um the um the Christmas event is what we're we're hot after at this point. It's uh
December 5th, 6th, and 7th, so Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Um we made a decision for the the night of the of Friday, the 5th, to move the festivities here at city hall. Uh what we were going to do for there was was do a lighting of some
sort and then also show the uh the Grinch movie to kids. Uh I was going to do the um Night Before Christmas uh reach to the kids. Um so we thought having that here at city hall might be a little bit better venue. Um and so we
would have the some of the food vendors outside and majority of that would take place outside other than the movie and and maybe even the movie as well. We're still trying to figure that logistically out. But um there's concerns about if we have stuff in here, council chambers um
some getting spilled or whatever. So we're working out those details, but uh the the short of it is we want to have that Friday night event here. Um we did get a lighting estimate um to light up city hall and the big tree out here was like $7,000, which was a starter. Um so
um we're we're we're reviewing options. Uh we're going to get some more quotes is what uh to come back next meeting which is our next meeting is the 18th and then um we may uh also look at just purchasing lights ourselves and doing
something uh internally. Um so more to come on that but uh we want to have the lighting event here. Another thing about doing that obviously the park's closed at dusk so whatever lights are out there not going to be viewed anyway. Um so if we have it here it's going to be lit up at night. People can drive by and see it. So it makes little more sense. And
we would have city hall decorated. I know we got a big Santa that goes out there and different things. So that's kind of where we're at with that. And then Friday after Friday's over, um Saturday is the the market, which we spoke of. Still trying to get vendors for that. Um that would go from 10 to 5.
We shut down at 5, close the park because the Newport Richie um uh holiday parade, boat parade starts at 6:00. And so that gives people time to transition to that and doesn't take away from that event. Then we open back up on Sunday again at noon and that goes to 7 from 4
to 7. Um Lisa was able to provide a the contact what's his name? >> Rocky Boven. >> Rocky Boven. The Rocky Boven band um who's going to do country, some bluegrass and some holiday music and just a good uh uh uh different v different uh genres of music for that 4
to7 event on on Sunday night. and that'll close out the event. Um, and he's came in at $700. Very reasonable for that three-hour thing for a five piece band. So, um, so that's kind of what we got slated. Obviously, we're meeting weekly up until that point to to
bring that to life. Uh, there's a lot of backend work still needs to be done, but we're moving forward that we should have a flyer done very soon. It's going to go out on the website and whatnot. So, um, another thing on vit committee, we did have a you guys should have an email from today. Um, Pastor Troy Peterson
would like to be a part of the event committee. Um, and so I wanted to uh see if council would uh ordain him becoming one of the event committee members because we are now we're down to four I believe or let's see
>> it's a nine member committee. >> Yeah, nine. >> Well, no, we we had one resign which you still six. So we have myself, the city manager, >> Caroline, >> Caroline, >> Lori,
>> Lori, >> can that is >> who the other one >> lives on. >> Oh, no, you're not. >> You have Caroline, Kim. >> Okay, so it's five. We got five.
>> Steve Chardell is resigning. >> Oh, I didn't know that. I I sent him things. He let me know he was resigning. >> I nominate Pastor Troy to be on the events committee. >> Okay. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Okay. Motion second. Any further? >> I already got a second. Um any further discussion?
Any public comment? See none, put to vote. All in favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> Opposed. Motion carries. Pastor Troy, welcome. Glad to have you on Vic Committee. I know we're also going to have uh another thing up on agenda to modify the
quorum requirements for um the event committee because we're getting to that point where um our minimum quer is five and we we rather uh have that based on the number of committee members actually on the the committee. So we're going to take it up obviously in the agenda tonight. So with that that's all I had
from the event committee. Anything else board committees? Okay, moving right along. Uh, we have item number two, the consent agenda for October 28th. Look for a motion and or discussion.
>> I think we had a print out. >> Changes. >> I apologize. It was on the the cover page, not included as an attachment. >> Okay. >> I don't know where mine is. >> They're in there somewhere. >> It's in there. Yeah, there you go. It's that little spreadsheet.
>> I had one disappeared in the police department. Bob and uh Christine, do you guys see that consent agenda? Did you >> Yes, I do. >> Okay.
>> Did you email it out to him? Um there's uh five, sorry. Yeah. Five items on it. McKim McCreed um for $199,9152. Alan J. Ford Police Department
FD158,792. Pasco board of county commissioners 911 communication service fee $22,827. Department of revenue red light camera $12,948. And then TR Danielle our city attorney services $17,94. So is there a motion to approve? Motion
to approve the consent agenda as presented for November 12th, 2025. >> Second. Have a motion. Second. Any further discussion? Any public comment? Seeing none, I put to a vote. All in favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> I. >> Opposed.
>> Motion carries. Uh, next up council business. Uh, item number three. Um, first read of order 25736 amending section 109 318 article 3 division 1 chapter 109 of the land development code to remove more stringent re requirements. It's my understanding that staff is wanting to strike that for now.
They're not ready to bring that. So, if I get a motion to table >> motion to table number three, >> second motion table and a second. Any further discussion? Any public comment? See, put a vote. All in favor signify by saying I. >> I.
>> I. >> Opposed? Motion carries. Next up is item number four, discuss discussion of amendments to resolution number 24-18, citymandated ethics training. I'll pass that to Mr. Butterfield for introduction. >> Yes sir. Thanks Mr. Mayor. It applies to all the members of boards and committees
and of course council needs ethics training too if anybody's do but it's it was discussion of amending the amount of training. So okay and another thing on this you you would have seen the uh calendar invite
for the the meeting which is what's today? >> Wednesday. Thursday the >> 20th. >> The 20th. Um Lori Simpson had forwarded that out accidentally to other folks and then then subsequently canceled that. So
um there was some confusion already that was still being held. It is still being held and Ashley's going to repush that invite. Okay. So it's already been pushed. Um so there was a little mix up there but it's not been cancelled. We're definitely moving forward with it. So um if you want what's the amendments we
need to discuss on it? >> Some minor changes to uh allow people that can attend in person to watch the uh recorded version of the training and to give members 60 days instead of 30 to complete the training. >> Is that everything, Ashley? Did I miss
anything? >> Is the the time requirement? Uh >> the time requirement um as well as I apologize the location of watching the recording. Um the prior resolution stated that they had to come here to city hall. Um I believe in the
resolution it states um to the city manager's discretion on where they're allowed to watch the recording >> if we if up to city manager discretion >> city manager's discretion and then and obviously extending the time. >> Okay. So if we if we do allow what
anywhere else but city hall the the question comes in is it how's it being monitored? So that'd be my only concern if we have some some way that we I mean obviously virtual stuff can happen but we need to make sure that actually you know they are watching it because it's important
>> we can assign somebody to go watch them watch it >> like Chris I've dealt I've dealt with that before and it's difficult to enforce unless unless it's a live thing or it's a Zoom thing or you know instructorled or something like that. Um
>> the previous um resolution mandated them to come to city hall. Um and I did have quite a few people who weren't able to attend that that first training and would come in here um and sit for the two hours and complete the training. >> Are they able to come to the 4 hour that
we're doing with the guy? What's his name? >> That's what this is. If they don't come to that, >> if they don't come to that, they can watch they have 60 days to watch it. >> They don't come to that. I think they come to four hours of sitting here watching a screen in here with, you know. >> Yeah, I think I think you put it out
there where they can do it from home because they, you know, they'll hit send and go and go fishing. >> There's no way to there's no way to to to track the recording for if somebody were to watch it at home. >> They could they could start it not even be in front of it. So, you know, >> at the end of the day, we're just trying
to be better servants to the community, right? Trying to make sure we don't get ourselves in trouble. This is not punishment. This is like help. Yeah. No, I we we need this. That's why we started doing this last year to make sure that that folks on the boards committees had ethics uh training. Um so, you know,
it's it's important information. Um yeah, it's a burden. The electives up here have to do four hours every every year. Um and um so we want to obviously have the the board of committees have that same training. Um we went ahead to extended it this time. We were doing a shorter version. Um but um this gives
the council the ability since we're paying in-house training for us to actually get our training done here in house as well and get that off the off the list. So I mean it's important information we need to have it all our board of committee members need to understand all the things the law. So if
we don't have a way to you know manage that from a virtual standpoint we have come in to do it. So let me ask you this Eric. So do we have a way of finding out who's going to come to the 4 hour in person thing with this gentleman? I have a >> you have a list. >> I have I have sent an invite. Um and
they are supposed to respond or deny, you know. >> So if it's only a few just a few small people that can't show up for four hours, then why don't we just have them come in for a different time or something, you know, like a video preview? >> We we did propose that in the past, but um everybody's schedules, I mean, I had
the training twice a week for a month and a half. Um still didn't get them. >> And I had individuals come, not as a group. So >> yeah, Lisa had a question. >> Linda. >> Oh, >> sure. >> Linda Rodriguez, 5917. I can't come four
hours in the middle of the day. I got the baby. People have full-time jobs that are on these committees. They work 9 to5. They can't come 10 to two in the middle of the day. They're not going to take a day off to come to do four hours of training. It's only offered one time.
>> Yeah. Well, the actual training is at night. No, the training is from >> Oh, that's right. It was It was a night last time, I think. >> No, but some people work nights. I mean, but I mean I I understand and it's four hours. We don't get paid. >> You don't get paid a lot, but you get something.
>> Sure. >> So, um, nobody's going to Well, I shouldn't say nobody. Many people are not going to take a vacation day to sit here for four hours. They're not going to do it. >> They don't or they can't. As a nurse, I just couldn't take off when I wanted to.
maybe have an evening >> or or offer a I know maybe he can't do it a couple times. Maybe you offer you tape it or you know record it and have offer multiple options for people. They have lives just because you have offered it one time. You got a lot of people quitting
your committees because they can't make it. >> Well, I think that's quite harsh to say. I don't think we're going to lose everybody because we're asking them to get better at serving. Uh, nobody is saying they don't want to do it, Chris, but they're not going I'm as a nurse, I'm not going to take a vacation day to come sit here for four hours to do
ethics training in the middle of my day. Maybe I can't get off >> the >> No, nobody I mean, your job is is a little different. You you can alter your schedule. Work 9 toive jobs Monday through Friday. They can't just alter their schedule that easily. Some can,
some can't. >> Maybe like Gleason said, we offer one an evening thing, right? maybe a six to 10 or something like that and then not I'm not I'm not volunteering you Ashley. I'm just saying maybe we have the mayor come in here and open up put on a four hour
thing right and then we get somebody an opportunity to do it in the evening. I >> I think you have need to offer various options for people to to to >> yeah that's um marry their schedule around it because they want to do it. I'm not saying they don't want to do it but they they have lives. They have children. They have things to do.
They've got work to do. They >> a possibility to do that in two hour increments >> like come for two hours and then come back another day. >> Yeah, you could as long as you have four hours >> and then come back another day for the last two hours of it. >> I know that just complicates things but
it makes it >> to do it. You wouldn't have to do it. One of us council members would sit here with people that did that four hours. I think Chris just volunteered >> typically. Normally, and and I think that goes with the extension of time to allow people to come in and do it. Um,
typically, no, I don't sit in here while they watch the video. I mean, I can I can obviously see them in here watching it. Um, if they can only attend for the first two hours, they can say, "Hey, I only got to watch till hour two. I'm going to come back, you know, on X day to watch the other two hours." Sure, I
can I can notate that. Everybody that came in that did the um recording training, not the inerson training, I noted it, marked them off that they completed it. >> I did. >> Um Yeah. So, there's multiple ways to do it. >> Yeah. They could do it an hour or four times. >> Yeah.
>> As long as we have some way of >> as long as completed. >> So, Linda, we'll we'll fit your baby schedule anywhere we have to. >> I'll I'll bring I brought it to the thing. I'll bring her. She's fine. >> She probably hangs any babies as good as mine. Oh grand.
>> Uh so yeah, I mean those great points. I mean it's, you know, we're asking a lot of these volunteers, they don't get paid. They they they show up. Um but again, another side of that, it's it's also a responsibility to make sure that you have the appropriate training um to be a part of those boards and
committees. So I mean, I want to be as flexible as possible with folks um to make sure that we we want to accomplish the goal, but we don't interrupt their lives. So, if we can string along into smaller segments to kind of accommodate people, again, the goal is have most people here because we're paying to have
him come on site and do it. It's to be here interactive is is always a better avenue for for that. Um, and so, but there are going to be folks that are going to be able have to miss that. And so, if we can somehow figure out a way extension of time, I don't I think it's what's in the ordinance now?
>> Uh, it was 30. I think it was 30 and it's going to 60. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Yes. I mean, we could we could even maybe look at extended that to 90. >> It does in the in the um original resolution if they needed more time, if there was an issue, they could discuss
it with the city man more time. >> Could Couldn't you also do Eric like if we're running the council meetings here, you could have the conference room and you could so it wouldn't take away more time. >> That's that's a great idea. >> Run two or three people in the conference room for a two-hour period during
>> Yeah. If we have a late meeting or something, we're going to be here anyway. They could work work that schedule. They could do that. That's a great idea to get some of that time in and off hours. That way minimizes staff as well. That's a great idea. >> Could we Could we split it into two different months? Two hours and two
hours and possibly incentivize it with a box lunch and some cookies and drinks or something. >> He's his time has already been scheduled for this class. >> Yeah. So, yeah, we've already booked him to come in. Obviously, in the in the future, we could probably uh like next year we could maybe look at doing it in
two sessions. Um, I'm not sure if it it's probably the same cost as half and half. I don't Is uh >> It's the trip that's the money. It's the gas. >> Ry's the one doing it. >> Um, do you know if he does it in parks? I think he does. >> Uh, he may. I I'm I'm familiar with him
usually doing what setting, but he he very well may be able to split. >> There probably a little bit more cost because he's got to come out here twice, but it's probably >> minimal. So, we can look at that in the future, but he's already booked now, so we'd have to >> Yeah, I'd rather do it. We have to roll with it. Me too.
>> Just do the fork. >> Could we provide box lunches like it make it an appreciation lunch or something at the same time and possibly give some kind of um you know, award certificates or
something for people who have served for a while. to somehow incentivize it to where people um you know feel appreciated for this because not only are they serving on these committees but they're then taking time to come in for these requirements.
Can we can we feed them? >> I I'll defer to you on that. >> I I would defer to the city. You know that would be a city policy. I know that as it's required for elected officials, but it's not required for appointed members or because the city is the one that requires the appointed U members to
attend these. I think it would ultimately just be a city policy or decision whether or not they wanted to um incentivize it in that way. >> I would like to show some appreciation for what they do for us. Well, so I I I will say Christine that um we we did
last year and we're going to do it again this year during December to have a a recognition for staff. Uh and all the boards committees are invi I think we invited board committee members to that too, didn't we s last year, but if not we could definitely they should be
invited to that >> to recognition for the for staff. >> It was a lunch and learn so you can do for that. >> Yeah. So we can we can provide that during that same venue of staff. Um but I think recognition is important regardless. Um if if you think that
>> I'm just thinking some box lunches and you know some beverage selections and some cookies or something just because for them to come and take their time to do this >> for the city. I just don't see a problem showing some kind of appreciation for that.
>> Maybe an adult memory asking for a friend. Well, that's a hard no, Bob. But, uh, appreciate you thinking out the box as usual. >> We could just give away lottery tickets to come, you know, >> right? So, Christina, are you saying for the the actual meeting itself where the
where we're hiring the attorney to come in to have some refreshments? Are you talking about the one-offs that are going to try to watch here at city hall? Uh, kind of an incentive to get them to come in to do that staggering. >> I'd say anybody anybody who comes for a designated time frame to watch to watch
these videos and comply with this requirement. Um, so we'll be setting times I I presume and >> there will be sign up so we would have a count of how many people are there. Perhaps in the RSVP we could ask
>> you know I I don't want to just give people pizza all the time. Maybe we could provide them like a sandwich box lunch. We used to do that, you know, at my work and we would get a s, you know, like a half a sandwich >> and some chips and, you know, it just
kind of make made you feel appreciated. >> Yeah. >> Got something. >> Ashley, did you have a call? >> Um, >> and these these um volunteers, you know, they serve us regularly. I'm just thinking to do something for them specifically wouldn't be too much to ask
or too expensive. Can Can you do that separately? Because I don't see how you could do that with people staggering in. >> I mean, you could do a committee appreciation lunch hour. >> Well, just a No, just totally separate from that.
>> I thought we already Eric says we already do one. >> No, but but she's saying feed all the committee members and stuff. >> She's trying to connect that to the training. So, >> but you could do it on a different date. Yeah. But how you going to do that one? If >> How many people are we talking about? if everybody can't make it in on that day. >> Cash, you have
>> Yes. So, last year with the two-hour training, we did provide light snacks for whoever attended in person. I think what Councilwoman Sullivan is stating is to provide food for people individually to come in. I don't necessarily agree with that, but
>> No, no. I thought that there would be like a follow-up group meeting where you could attend. I didn't know you could just walk in at any time. I'm sorry. If it was group meetings afterwards, like you have these options of coming in at this time, that time on this specific
day, and then we would have a group of people that had signed up, we would know the count for those people and could get the the lunches. >> Well, and as of right now, I've only had seven people accept the invitation for Thursday. So, >> is it this Thursday? for
>> I wonder if she has any of these situations with other cities and if there's any um other ways this has been handled in other municipalities besides ours. >> I I I can see I can see giving them sandwiches, a bottle of water, and a
cookie. If they're coming in for the 4-hour deal, if you don't come in for the 4-hour deal, eat on the way, right? Come in. We're paying for the instructor. Here they are. We're going to feed you, give you, you know, bottle on top or whatever. And um and I can see that. Is that what you're thinking,
Christine? You good with that? >> So, >> yes, >> I I think that's what we do. Is everybody else okay with that? >> Well, the only thing is then you incentivize coming in separately because you get free lunch, I guess, out of it as opposed to >> No, no, that's not separate. You have to
come in as the group with the 4hour live training. That's the only time >> for the actual Thursday. >> Yes. >> For the Thursday. If you come in during that time and you miss work or you >> Yeah, it starts at 10:00 and goes to two. >> We'll feed 10. >> That makes some sense. >> Yep.
>> You want a motion for that? >> Sure. >> I'll make a motion that during the ethics train, the four hours we send out notice that we are going to give you a boxed lunch and a cookie and a bottle of whatever. It's not spiced drum. I can tell you that yet. So, it's like water or soda.
>> Well, can we just say something? We don't know. It's a box lunch. So it's not so specific. >> Actually figure it out. That's this. Yeah. Is it actually Ashley? How do you feel about making sandwiches? >> Great. >> Well, yeah. So I've got a motion and I got Bob second of that. Um any further
discussion? >> And I think we just leave that in the city's hands on how they're going to feed us. >> Yeah. So the the only discussion I have on it is that uh obviously there's there's facilitation because certain people are going to want certain sandwiches and whatever and then there's their dietary restrictions and so you got all this
>> minutia that administratively has to be done by staff if listen I think you keep it simple right kiss right and and I think you alter them >> two types of sandwiches you get >> yeah last year it was literally like
little snacks obviously this is a longer training We can we can do public sandwiches and some chips or something. I mean, it's not doesn't have to be too involved, but >> yeah, let me >> And can allow them to bring their own. I mean, you can also put and you're
welcome to bring your own food. >> Yeah, we'll supply this, but uh if you don't like this, >> a snack or something for a lot of people. So, if they, you know, if they're concerned about dietary restrictions, they could also bring a box lunch of their own. Yeah.
>> You know, all the firefighters will be here. >> Yeah. Our training is going to be busting at the scenes. >> Lights on. >> So, the mo the motion was for box lunches and and drink or whatever. Um would we would we be better served
instead of doing that having just like a it might be cheaper to just have a big sub that they can just regular food as opposed to actual catered box. Can we get one of our local people to make it? Like maybe the guy over here at the sub place make it make the sub for us. >> Yeah, I mean it's
>> Can we do that? >> I just need clarification on your motion. >> This is really super I'm trying to give some business to a local business. >> Sure. >> Christine, what' you say? >> I didn't hear the propos what you proposed. >> Okay. So, we got a motion on the floor for the box lunch in a second. I want to
vote on that, but I I was going to see if they wanted to modify the motion to to just where the city actually buys a large sub to provide to make it a little easier. They have we'll have real food here for those folks, but uh um not not individual box lunches is
>> you could probably go to Publix or Walmart and they would probably donate a sandwich platter, a vegetable platter, and a fruit platter for at least discount. Of course, Walmart or Publix probably would do that. >> Yeah. >> Or a local sandwich shop. Maybe we could add the new deli or you know some local
sandwich shops if they would like to um sponsor this with you know at least a a discount. >> Yeah. So donations from a few businesses. I think that's a good idea. >> Right. That new deli um they might >> so point guys. So
what they might offer a discount to the city. >> Yeah. So >> we we don't we don't need to micromanage how the food gets to the city hall. And honestly, >> no, we're just we're just giving some options. This could be done on a tighter budget.
>> Yeah. No, six staff is okay. I just if if we're moving on box lunches, we can vote on that. I just ask if you guys are good with staff providing some and and they'll they'll look at local vendors and and and I'm sure they'll cut us a deal or whatever. All that, but all that could be worked out staff level. These
are decisions that they can make. Um I'm open up public comment just a second. Um is there any other further discussion on that? Did you did you want to amend the motion to let staff buy the food or you want >> Absolutely. I want to amend the motion to let staff handles food for whoever comes around. >> Bob, you okay with that amendment? >> Yeah, I'll second.
>> Okay. And any fur discussion, council level? Okay. Public comment who Hannah first outsider to the podium. >> I get you next, Carol.
Brian Burke, 4529 Harbor Point. Um, as an outsider listening to this, if you're having people come in to do a 4-hour training over the hours of 10 to two, and not feeding them is kind of ridiculous. As a second note, if we can end the conversation, say we're going to
provide lunch, I'm happy to pay for it. >> Thank you. There you go. >> Thanks, Ryan. Caroline's like, I'm gonna go home. Caroline Gonzalez, 8648 Candy Delane. Um, as committee member for committees,
I would appreciate the incentive of the box lunch. However, I would actually appreciate it more if it was accommodating to a schedule of like after work for me. Um, to me coming on a day off or something like that, it wouldn't work. I think as
as maybe I don't know if we could have two sessions like the one during the day but then also another session at night. I know I can't make it to that initial one. Um but two hours or whatever it may be that would be more accommodating than
a box lunch just for me. >> Yeah. >> Stating that >> again that that point's well received. I think going forward and I can't do anything about this this year but going forward I think we could try to make that a little more. Last year it was in the it held in the evening and that was great. So I don't know why the change
but >> okay >> I think it was availability probably. So we'll uh we'll look at better scheduling next year. Um so any other public comment? If not put to a vote all in favor signify by saying I >> I >> opposed.
Motion carries and the committees will be fed. So for for this item, I think it was just direction for Nancy to to modify and move forward. So if there was any any clarification
to what you guys wanted, I could put in the notes as well so me and Zoe could >> let know. >> Was that that motion was apart from >> the resolution? So that was I thank you. That was actually going to be a follow-up question is if if this resolution as is presented to you all
tonight is you're what you're wanting to move forward with or if there alternatively if there's any changes you want to make to it, please let us know and um Nancy will work on it on the back end. >> Yeah. So is the it's 60 days. >> So only change going is basically the
time frame >> 30 to 60 >> and it's four hours required. >> Four hours required. um 30 to 60 and then it was the where to attend. Uh it says or watch
videotape training and approved training by an alternate method at no additional cost whereas the prior um resolution stated they would watch it here at city hall >> which sounds like the only reasonable thing to keep that. Yeah, keep it keep it watch at city hall. But obviously
they the city manager can can parcel that up into >> you know four or four hour sessions. We can probably try to accommodate them during evenings at council member staff and council's here. >> Um but that schedule can be worked out as >> yeah I can I can work on a schedule to
try to get groups in here so we can I mean we don't have hundreds of boards and committee members. Um, but for those who don't, I can try to work something out with if they can come later in the day into, you know, >> and and we can actually have an alternative evening session where it's
they come in here and they watch the video that was here. I mean, that's that's an option, too. >> Yeah. >> Um, the secondary, you know, didn't have live presentation, but actually they watched the video all together in council chambers, >> right? >> I I was going to inform the clerk. I'm going to talk to it tomorrow as well.
There there should be some sort of engine that we can we can apply to the video to make it to where because I know we were we were skeptical about people watching it at home, >> but I know that there's been training videos out there that from from other
entities that require you to watch that video um in in in order to you and you have to you have to either prompt something or enter something as you're watching it. And so I'm I'm going to talk to him tomorrow and see if that's also an option that we can explore. And >> they ask a way to monitor that, make sure it's being watched.
>> That's what I'm saying. I I I feel confident there has to be something out there. I know other places have used it and other, you know, other training videos that I've even watched that, you know, for other other subjects may make it mandatory for you to do that. So I think if we can explore that option,
I'll take I'll talk to him tomorrow and see what we can find out. And and if we can do that as well, I'll I'll have her inform everyone that that option is for. >> No, that that sounds great. >> Bottom line, mayors, we don't want to drive one volunteer away because this is too hard. So, we'll be as flexible as
possible >> to get everybody uh opportunities to get trained. >> Perfect. >> So, to clarify, I was just going to just to clarify so >> what specific changes, if any, were being made to this proposed
>> resolution. Can I get a motion to accept the the changes that she just read which is the 60 day time frame? >> The one that's already in the proposed is that in the proposed >> that's already there. Okay. Nothing's changing from the proposed one and this stuff. Okay. >> Except for the part where where it has
to if you can't make that arrangement, it has to be watched here, >> right? And we'll and like I said, we can or should we change that language to to add unless a virtual option
becomes available in the future where we can monitor it? >> We can always change it. >> I'm just trying to incorporate that so we don't change again. But >> recording must be watched at city hall unless um digital version >> digital moniitored version is available
something like that. >> Thank Chris. And that way if we do >> so if that doesn't in the future allowed to do it that way. Yeah. >> So is there a motion for that approvals? >> Okay. Is there a second? >> Second
>> motion second. Any further discussion? Any public comment? See put to a vote. All in favor signify by saying I. >> I. I. >> I. >> Opposed. Motion carries. Okay. Next up is item number five. discussion of modifying resolution
number 2535 changing the quorum requirement for the Port Richie events committee. Uh I'll pass it to Mr. Butterfield for introduction. >> Thanks, Mayor. Uh yeah, this is just a slight adjustment to make sure the quorum requirements aren't overly stringent so the events committee can
meet uh more often than not. So, especially as you alluded to with the weekly meetings right now during the busy holiday season flexibility was sought to be uh wouldn't impact uh the committee negatively in any way we think but enable them to keep going.
>> Yeah. And according requirements five right now and so if we only have five or six on committee they pretty much all going to be there. So this is the same thing we did for CAC. We we're modifying it so that it's based on the the committee members that are on the committee. Well, so if you have uh five
members, it's a three requirement and so on so forth. So it changes as the the actual committee membership changes. So is there a motion to approve the change? >> Motion to approve the change. >> Approve. >> Okay. I got Lisa with a motion. Do you want to do a second? Christine, >> I'll second it.
>> Okay. I got Christine second. >> She got it. >> Yeah. I think there's probably a little delay on your end. So but uh uh any other discussion on that? Any public comment? See, I put to the vote. All in favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> I. >> I. >> I.
>> Opposed. Motion carries. That concludes council business. >> Just to just to clarify and let council know is that this this will be drafted and then approved at a later time. >> This is this wasn't the actual resolution. >> No, no, that was the previous one from that committee. We have to actually
>> Okay. So, we got draft that and come back. >> Draft and bring it back. >> And it's a resolution. So, it'll be one more reading. >> Yeah. >> So, perfect. Okay. Um, we don't have old business on here. I can't remember if that comes after council comments or before. >> Old business. Uh, >> old business comes before comments.
>> Okay. So, I'm going to The agenda does not have it on here. At least cover page. So, um, I'm going open up old business. There any old business discuss any old business? >> Uh, just a couple comments. >> Okay. Okay, I got comments next. So, are
they specific to old business or >> No. >> Okay. >> No old business at this time. >> Okay. All right. So, seeing that I'm going to move on to comments from the mayor, city council. Um, let's start with uh vice chair or vice mayor. Mayor, >> vice mayor. Mayor is quiet tonight.
>> All right. Um, I just want to say that I I feel like the burn pile went well. You know, I'm close to that area and you could smell you could smell a little smoke,
but it was it I I think that worked great. So, the curtain >> the wind curtain did a good job. Yeah, because it wasn't like the whole neighborhood was smoke or um you knew something was happening but barely, you know. So, I'm glad that
worked out. Do you guys take pictures of that? I think >> No, but again, I think they're burning again tomorrow, so I can take some pictures of it. >> How fast does it burn? How much stuff are you burning? You dropping a load in there, it takes a few minutes to burn it. >> I didn't go out there today, but it's it's pretty intense. I mean, it's >> it's
designed to do exactly what it's doing. It's just to burn that pile as fast and clean as possible. >> And ashes are left. >> I know the first day they had a little trouble, you know, keeping it lit in the beginning, but some of the stuff was wet from the the rain. But once it gets going, it it rips. And they've been trying to finish about 2:00. Then we
spend another hour and a half out there, making sure it's totally out. And then we try to go back at least once, like before it gets too late at night just to check it to make sure there's nothing else so we don't have that. >> So you don't know volume, how much we've been able to do or how long? >> I didn't go out there today. I Well, I
spoke I went out there um last week. I spoke to Daryl. I think he's around 1,000 yards. >> He's already burned, >> I Yeah, I think he's he's at 1,000 yards. Like he's up to >> What does he have to do? >> And then um they were doing some brush collection today and uh and Monday to
bring in everything from the city so we can burn that now. Um I mean cost effectiveness, this has been the best and most efficient way to move forward. I mean the air current alone was it was a rental of you know $2,000 to rent it for a week. Um it's the most costefficient way to to manage this in
the future and I've already spoken to him about you know continuing this quarterly. um so we can stay on top of it. So the um the pile has been drastically reduced to what it was. Um there's still there's still some, you know, um some mulch debris and whatnot
that we still have to remove that wasn't that's not able to be burned because there just too much dirt mixed in. But the as far as all the brush, they've been sifting through everything uh throughout the week. And you know, they said today was actually one of the best one of the better days because they
pre-dug everything out before starting. Um the ash is very minimal. They've been complying everything with the Department of Forestry. Um which they haven't had an issue at all. >> So everything has been running really really >> anticipating finishing Friday, right?
>> Yeah. which is I mean that's a big pile to be done in a couple of days actually. >> If it's if it's not too much if we get maybe a little video of it that we could even post out there just because I'm curious I don't think I'm going to be able to get over there and see it but uh I'd like to be able to watch and see how it's done to post on the website people
see how we're saving money >> by doing things a little differently. >> It's been a little brutal on the on some of my guys but they got to sit out there for eight hours. >> It's been windy and cold. I've been trying to rotate people and and not mandatory people out there, but you know, we have to be out there. So, one
way or the other, we're getting it done and it's definitely saving a lot of money. So, it's costing us a little bit in the end, but overall, it's been a huge savings for the city. So, it's a win-win. >> I'd like to give credit to both the fire department and public works and utilities. Um, they've all been joining together. Um, I mean, it's a long,
dusty, you know, ash, uh, you know, uh, day that they've all been putting in for several days. Um, and like I said, I I I spent I spent a few hours out there and by the time I came back in, my clothes were already
smelling like like ash and smoke. So, it's a lot that they're they're b you know, they're putting themselves out there for and it's greatly appreciated. >> Yeah, sure. >> Thank you. >> Yeah, that was me. >> That was you. That was her. >> Oh, you done?
>> No, I'm not. >> Oh, that's right. You Yeah, we were first now second. Okay, go ahead. >> No, that was me that as that. >> Right. Right. I got confused. >> That's the problem. We always lose when Lisa says something. >> I didn't lose it. Hold on. >> You go back. You go back and watch the tapes. >> I was on it. Right. No, wait. Today I
was on it. >> You go back and watch the tapes. When it's Lisa's turn, >> I didn't lose anything. I knew it was >> I barely get my question out before it's all over the room >> and I sit here and I don't say anything. But that's what happens. And you
couldn't even remember where we were. >> Yeah. I got lots of discussion. That's my fault. No, but the discussion wasn't yours or the discussion was mine >> and and I brought this up once before about how it rolls around, but we all get a turn and right now it's my turn.
>> Yes, ma'am. It is your turn. >> So, I'm finished with that. Thank you very much. It was that was noticed. Um, two things a little bit quicker. Um, I've gotten people don't like to file
code complaints that because their name goes on there, but we all when we're sitting up here, we all hear them. I'm sure we hear things from our neighbors what they like, what they don't like. There's a lot of late night late night work going on and weekend work when they
know code, nobody's around. I don't know how to address that. They don't want to file their own complaints about it, but we do have a lot of work in the city. So they're not there's people doing work but not going through the process. They're not getting the permits. They're
they're just working under the cover of dark. So I don't know if that's something we need to talk about, but it's been brought up to me more than once. I know we we tried to schedule um the code force officer to do some weekend
work as well to kind of catch the weekend stuff. I don't know if we ever done anything from a night perspective, but maybe that's something we could >> How many days does our code enforcement work? I mean, but but he you can't catch somebody out, you know, late at night, you know, they're they're soling at
11:00 p.m. I mean, and I understand some of that people are doing that work because maybe they work during the day, but but you know, I've gone and checked to see what they were talking about and no, there's no >> public input's going to be the best input. And if if if there's if there's
certain things going on in certain areas, if people don't want to divulge their name, I mean, if they at least just want to give a a description of the street that it's going on, um, you know, any input is going to help us being able to to track this down and be able to do something about it. >> All right. Because I don't want to go,
you know, as a council person, I don't want to be going to the departments doing, you know, say anything. So, yeah, I just want to know what what to actually say to them. So, when Matt was here, I'll come back to you in just a second. When when Matt was here, um council people that brought
things to his attention, they weren't the code enforcement complaintant. Um it was either the city manager or the building official. So, I I think that the solution to that is is if you have residents reach out to you that want to be uh they don't want to report it themselves, you can report it for them
and it can the code enforcement can do that. And I is that the way >> Yes, I would agree. staff can can that would initiate staff to to begin an investigation. >> Yeah. So, >> enforcement as you see fit. >> Yeah. And last and real quick, and it's
it's probably just a no thing. We talked about it before like the fall trash pickup, >> but it's getting so late now. I mean, we're halfway through November. We talked about last year we didn't do it because all the hurricane stuff. So, is that off the table? We we were going
to aim early spring like after the holidays. That's when we've done it in the past. We've done it like March, April, March. That's when we usually done it in the past. That's when we were going to aim to do it right after the holidays. >> So because actually most of the time um >> people are getting rid of stuff right now.
>> They're getting rid of stuff. They're bringing in new stuff. They bought new stuff. So now we're going to get rid of the old stuff. So that's kind that's usually the best time to do it. It's you know it's um it's still the dry part of the year. So that's when we're going to aim to do that. >> All right. That's all I have. >> That's all I have. I'm done.
>> Chris, you had >> I'm just imply you go sister from another mister. >> Thank Chris. >> I'm just envisioning that she's telling
me this. Thank you. Some hardworking guy gets off of work after an eight hour day, comes home, wants to fix his rotten, stinking floor. She's in there saw cutting wood to put down for the floor. and somebody I don't like to hear that saw at night and they're coming to you and in my eyes if you're not willing
to go turn it in, why would they come to you to say Lisa go get them, you know, like this. I won't do that. I'll tell you that right now. I won't do it. It's not my place, you know, and I think we have a city a code enforcement person for that. And and I think that >> that's their whole point. It's after hours.
The guy that the guy that can't come here for ethics training is working eight hours a day and he's got to go home at night and his wife's like, "Honey, you've been working on that four for six months now. Finish that floor." >> So that's what I'm saying. Sometimes we have to be a little bit gentle with our neighbors versus just >> Well, well, so is is the complaint about
doing work without the permit >> or the noise? Because a couple >> without unpermitted work. >> Okay. So that right that's one thing. If there there we have noise ordinance in place. >> That's what I said. people I I understand people work and they do things on the weekends that they do, but they also do things undercover. Yeah.
>> You know, they do things under the cover after city halls close after. Everybody in the whole world knows that people do things undercover when they close their drapes in their house and they start working on their >> All I'm doing is bringing up I a constituent has brought up in a couple
to me of particular incidents and I'm bringing it up to get clarification on that's my duty, >> right? And they have a they have a they have a valid uh >> whether I like whether I like what they said or not. I'm just going to say I did
or I didn't. But whether I like whether I like what somebody says to me or not, whether I agree with them or not, that's the whole point of me sitting here is okay. I will find out an answer or I will direct you to where to go or I you
know, >> yeah, I I don't want to discourage people from reporting things that are happening that shouldn't be happening. Um I know that maybe you can give a little backstory on the law how that came about. >> Well, I I was just going to actually clarify something. And I I previously said if it's if we are if anybody's
experiencing an issue with the noise ordinance in the city, that's something that would typically have to be investigated in that moment in time. So yes, there would have to be an individual to call it and report it so that it can be investigated right then and there. Um there are just different different violations of different types. So if there's work without a permit
that's being complained about by several different people and that's brought to staff's attention and staff can go out there and investigate accordingly. other specific violations like a noise ordinance violation would typically have to be investigated at that moment. >> So the person would have to
>> inevitably call in >> call in and say, "Hey, I've got this going on." So they get there with a noise meter and >> Right. I understand that. And that wasn't the complaint. The wasn't the noise. The complaint wasn't the noise. And even if it if it was the noise and anybody calling me, I'm not I'm not calling in a noise complaint for
somebody else. No, I wouldn't. No. But I will try to find out an answer or what they can do. I mean some answers I I know the answer. I can tell them an answer. But as for after hours unpermitted that kind of you know that
I'm I'm here to bring it up to you. >> Yeah. So with the with the reporting code enforcement law requires the person who the complaintant to not it's not anonymous complaint anymore. >> Correct. It is not anonymous >> that got changed two years ago. And and there are people that don't >> they won't do that because you know
somebody calls in on their neighbor they say hey it was me and and it was uh the neighbor knows it was them and it starts yeah >> but it's not it's not my place to go to the you know different departments and tell them what's going on either. So >> right >> it wouldn't be appropriate to act as like a conduit in that
back to you one second but the you wouldn't interact with the department. you would reach out to city manager and say, "Hey, I've got a complaint. Work around a permit." Because you have staff look into it and he would take it from there. And then you wouldn't be attached to the complaint. The resident wouldn't be attached to the complaint. The city manager would be investigating. >> All right.
>> I I and and I've been I've seen this recently in the city where two neighbors start to telling each other. He did that and they put the thing there and I saw him pull it. That leads to bad neighbors. That leads to you hating your house, wanting to leave the city and going. You got to be very cautious what
you do with the neighbors. Neighbors, good neighbors are hard to come by. So, I encourage everybody listening, everybody in this room here, let's be good neighbors of one another. That's all. >> Good point. Okay. Anything else, Lisa? >> No. You sure? >> Oh, yeah.
Moving on to uh uh Councilwoman Sullivan. >> Nothing tonight. Thank you. >> Okay. Councilman Hover. >> Uh a couple things real quick. First, I second the appreciation for Gary for
what he's been doing with with the burn system and everything. And he's a professional. That's what we expect from me. Thanks. Another kudos to officer Cotch sitting with tonight and his boss Batman turn the traffic around the city. Very
well. I see they've got blue lights all over the place and the word's getting out. you just don't fly through Fort Richie anymore and we do appreciate that. It does not go unnoticed. Other thing that they're doing also is
this uh sentinel project going around checking all businesses the we hours of the morning checking front doors and back doors making sure lights are on and everything's the way it should be. as well as walking around businesses, going out to docks, checking
on lines on boats, making sure everything is as normal, leaving a calling card at 2:45 in the morning, letting us know everything is working as the way it should be and nothing disturbed. If there's anything else that they can do for us, let them know. We
appreciate Opera for doing that. And that's the way above beyond duty and it's much appreciated and very noticed. We thank them very much. Oh, that's incredible. >> One other thing, um, yes, it is. It's
very good. One other thing is I got an email from Nancy on the application for changing a street to Charlie Kurt and his name. And it's up to us council to make that decision.
we decided to do that road would be something with great little address changes road office would have to make an address change. So we want to make that as convenient as possible and once we decide on that that she
would fill out the application and submit that and that would be that. >> Could we have that excuse me could we have that discussion to the meeting on the 25th of November? >> Absolutely. I just want to bring it up. Give us something to think about.
There's a road like a short road that has very few addresses on it and we can bring that in vote on that maybe 25th would be great and if that's something we want to do, we can just make a motion and approve that and then
Nancy would that application and the city manager believe there's a survey need to be done and that would be it. Bob, Bob, you mentioned a >> discussion. >> Did Did that go out to all council members?
>> I don't remember seeing that one, but >> you're referencing something that just came to you, I guess, Bob, right? You had a question and she responded back to you. We've not seen that email from Nancy. Um, so if we can get that, >> she sent it to She sent it to me. She didn't I don't know why she didn't send anybody else, but she sent that
application. Um, she's not here tonight obviously, but if you wanted to ask her and send it to you, she would. >> Yeah. So, it sound like she just responded maybe to an email you. She didn't do a memorandum for council, right? >> I think I think what she wanted me to do was present it to you guys since I'm the
one who brought it up, I guess. >> Okay. Was I don't know what the meat of that email was. Is there a way that you could uh have Ashley forward that send that email to Ashley to have her forward it out to council so we can see what Nancy said on it? I can I can forward
that email over to Andy or Ashley and forward you guys respond because what she would do is something like that it would come up and she would do a memorandum for council that we'd all have the same information. Um so I apologize so this this we take a look at what she said on that and what the
question was and then is there any um I think they sound like they want to do a agenda item for the next meeting. Is there any objection to that to discuss that? >> It's a pretty full agenda already. We were actually looking to move some things. So, uh, but if it's if it's urgent, we can move more things to December.
>> Yeah. >> As as of notation too, this is why I include you guys on agenda item deadlines. Um, that for that meeting, the agenda item deadline was Monday. >> So, I Bob, are you okay with us taking that up at a later meeting or maybe you think
waiting till the first of the year to do that or you want to do it before the end of the year? >> I don't see the rush in it. I'm going to bring it up for us. think about it and leave that up to city manager and clerk to determine when the best time to present that to us.
>> Okay. >> I can have that. I'll email the application to like said >> apply and she can forward it to you guys. >> Okay. So, yeah, if you do that and then I think I don't see any objections to talk about a future meeting this whenever it works out best for staff
when we have some time they'll put it on the next agenda. >> Everybody everybody's okay with doing that. >> Yeah. By consensus, we're we're good with having that on the agenda in the future, not next meeting because it's >> Yeah, there's one more important thing probably coming up that I think would be key to get this done. So, yeah, no
problem. >> Okay. Anything else? >> That's all I have. >> Okay. Um, and that leaves me. Um, I spoke at the Pasco delegation uh this week and showed up there um and
obviously gave thanks to the uh the delegation for helping us out. Um, and then uh you let them know we appreciate the support and going forward. Um, so I just want to let you know that I did attend that and and represent city at that uh that meeting. Um, I want to give
you just a small update on negotiations between myself and Don King. Um, we've had a couple emails back and forth. I actually have a meeting set up with him tomorrow. I don't have the time. It's going to be tomorrow afternoon uh to have some more discussion um on that. And so hopefully I know my my plan was
to have something possibly for this meeting um but it's probably going to be more or less on the next meeting um depending on how tomorrow's meeting goes. So hopefully we'll have something for the next meeting to to a contract worked out. Um the only other thing I have is you heard from Ryan about the
the development um and he went to planning zoning today. Um I believe brought in the past but there was um as they're doing through their financing there's about a $4.5 million uh gap in and what they're trying to achieve and they were wanting to the
city to look at uh incentive options to help uh that along. Um I know Nancy has been looking at some things. We don't have a policy in place currently to um to handle incentives. There's lots of ways you can help incentivize
redevelopment. Um she did pull something from uh this is Bradenon, Florida. Um I don't know if she sent this to you guys. I got a copy of it, but uh you might know where she's at with this, but uh I think >> I I can get that to everybody. >> Yeah, if if you could send this sustainable redevelopment incentive out
to kind of show what Bradenton does. Um, and I'm going to read an email from her. Obviously, it's always good to have that policy in place so that developers can come to it and they it there's a there's very defined uh incentive policies there that they can if they do certain things,
they can achieve these levels of incentives. Um, so I think we need to do something along those lines for the future, right? Um, but we've got a development knocking on our door. And so the the question that u or the response Nancy gave on that give me just a second
here. I had it pulled up but I just switched. Okay. Um since my previous recommendation that the issue of incentives be addressed separately and apart from this particular development so the city can create its policy/procedure moving forward for all developers interested
parties has not yet been accomplished and it is evident this developer is ready to move forward. I recommend the developer work with the city manager Veronica whomever to bring the matter forward to council as an agenda item so city staff council the developer and the public can all be present and prepare for the discussion. So, if there's any
if there's any objections, let me know. But I like to get council consensus that uh we start to work on um an incentive policy that we can uh have out there to to help encourage development and and help uh spur development um that we can
use to do that. And if there's objections, I'd like to hear them now. Okay, see none. So, if we could uh obviously work with our current developer um and I know staff is looking at the the plans and stuff and they were looking at what the city possibly could
do if we could kind of consolidate that information and get that in front of council for the future agenda item and and probably sooner or later because I want to move forward. Um we need to have something in place to to do. >> So, I just want to clarify so you know city manager direction. Do you want us
to move forward with creating the policy or you want us to move forward on this particular development? >> Well, I I think the policy um that's a good question. So, because we have a developer in place, I think we can we can look at that individually, but I
think what we we look at through a lens of is what we what we possibly end up doing for that becomes part of a policy going forward. So, it's we're looking at it from a policy perspective. Um, but we have a a live case study that can help facilitate that. Does that make sense?
So, we're not we're not we're not handling specifically for that developer, although we are looking at it for that developer, but we keep the frame of mind is is we're not doing something special for this developer that we wouldn't be doing later for other developers. Does that make sense?
Well, but that's what I'm saying is that we can pretty much use the Bradenton uh policy as a template, draw that up, bring that before council, and if we're going to just go ahead and modify what we want to do for this for this particular development, we can do that. But then we will, that's what I'm
saying. Well, we'll augment the policy that we have. So then moving forward, it would work for anyone else. Yes. >> As well. So I I and from what he was explaining as far as their time frame, it's just pretty much uh now that we have direction to move forward, it's
just basically using that template to create our own policy and having the city attorney look that over for anything, you know, anything that we have to add legally and then present that to council. So, >> right, the only, like I said, the only thing that the concern is obviously that we don't get bogged down in in the
policy and this this delays stuff that's going on in real time. So obviously we we would take this and maybe there's other ones out there we can look at too. Take the information that that they have what staff's looked at as far as you know internally because we're going to probably tweak this to a certain degree
um to fit our specific city needs. >> And so and obviously they would be a good partner to help hammer that out looking forward um because obviously they're they're a real consumer of this now. So, um, that's really what I'm looking for is we need to get this
started sooner than later. We should already had something like this in place. Um, >> is there any particular incentives that that, you know, it's council while we're talking about this now that we can definitely add to this policy moving forward? So, they haven't seen it yet.
So, they need to see this policy for see what's in here. Um there's there's all kind of there's there's back-end tax incentives um that uh help use future tax revenue to repay through the through the CRA. There's we have the ability to to wave certain amount of building fees,
uh impact fees or whatnot. I think there's a there's a lot of of parts that can be looked at to to kind of help in certain areas and not so you're not all focused on one part specific area. >> Um it could be a hybrid approach of different things um to meet that need. Um, but again, this is a good starting
point and any others that are out there. Um, they spent a lot of time on this and so it's probably a good boiler plate to start with, but obviously if you guys kind of get together, if you can get something back to staff to council that's, you know, staff has looked at this, you know, what could we do from a
building fee perspective? Does it align with what's in this policy? Um, and and talk about those things so that we do have something that we can apply to this developer and developers in the future. question. >> No, just statement.
>> Just statement. And we've got Ryan here now and we're talking about this and um you know, we don't have 12 waterfronts in our little town. We got one waterfront, the crown jewel of our like it's like you you raise four
daughters and you know what I'm saying? One of them's smoking hot. You know, like my smoking hot parts, you know, she's going to go to the guy. You know what I'm saying? You get my whole point there. Well, this is our this is our the daughter, you know, I mean, we got our daughter here and Ron's getting ready to court our daughter. So, I'm I'm not I'm not saying I don't want to help the
developers get in there. I haven't seen not one thing that showed me, hey, we're everything works, but the math is right here. We're just short this much here because right now, I mean, interest rates are dropping. >> That means his costs are dropping, right? So, does that all stay the same? So, these are things I want to see to
try to help him and his group and I haven't seen anything yet. It's all talk at this point here. We need $4.5 million to make it work. Well, I think the interest rates dropped two points in the last x amount of months. It's probably all that money and then some, you know. So, I'm just I'm trying to make sure we're doing the right thing for the city
with our one daughter, which is all we got. People aren't going to rush to us to put up properties, you know, up in these neighborhoods here, you know. So, >> yeah. So, I don't know mind if you wanted to add a little bit on that. Um, >> I think it's good conversation, don't you? I mean, if we don't get it out here
and talk about it, then it's just stuff that is it's in the gossip columns, and that doesn't help either one of us, you or me. >> The number I don't know that that number is is a hard set number. That was the original kind of number based on when it came in. >> That's not what I was listening to a minute ago when he was speaking. He was like, "Hey, we're going to make this thing work somehow. It's going through
>> and and we will find a way. This is probably I think a great opportunity to do it this way." And no, it's not a fixed number. to your point now 2% drop in interest rates doesn't actually change the law like the interest rate that you get on your debt financing but it does rate it it will drop it you know
15 or 20 basis points that does change that number you are 100% right we don't want a penny to even ask for a penny more and so I think the creativity is making it so it's something that works for the city for the residents and for
us to get shovels in the ground versus us going out and trying to go raise privately more capital to come in. Um I think it's something like this is going to generate a lot of tax revenue for the city. Um
and so we've all we've been talking about different options things like can we you know we've talked about municipal bonds. There's also municipal municipal bonds you can tie directly to that property that we're then paying back with tax revenue with a percentage of the tax revenue is paying that back. There's a lot of different ways to go
and we want to be very open to it, but it is a moving target until we close and so we do not want to take a penny more than we need if it is going to in fact come from the city and the city's open to that. Um but it that's it is we have
all the math >> target we can't weigh it. You're and you're asking us to >> we know what it is today and we have it down to like and we have the math and it's not us. It's a third party working with the HUD team to know exactly what that gap is and equity that we you have to equity to close
>> format that somebody who's not a trained builder or or developer would understand. >> Yes. >> It's right now. Do you have that in your possession s where you've seen you the apple cart's got this much here and we're short two apples. Two apples makes the whole thing work. Have you seen that yet? >> No. >> So I don't I haven't seen it yet. I've
I've heard I've heard things flying around but I need to understand it. >> Yeah. >> My help I need to understand it. We we will be an open book on that. Happy to provide it. This was >> how can we do that? >> Well, so what I'm looking for here is we we we're going to have to there going to be some number X. Let's call it X,
right? Whether it's 4 and a.5 million or 2 million or whatever it is. Um we don't currently have any any defined policy on what a developer can come and ask for, right? Um so right now it's just there is no help, right? And so I guess do we
do we want to take that stance where we don't help at all or do we want to have something in place like Braden has done and and and most other cities do. Newport Rich example right next door to us. They use their CRA to to help projects all day long. And you can see what that the product of that. That's
really what the CRA is for is to be that engine to help spur economic development in your city. And so, but we don't have any policy in place for developers to to to look at and say, "Okay, looks like if I if I plant this many trees, I can get
some help here." You know, there's no >> Every city doesn't give away money. Every county doesn't give away money. They charge profiters to come do business in their city and to tie into their system and create the money-making machine. I'm not saying that we're might stand in Fairfax County, but you know, when you go to Fairfax County and build,
you're you're pouring money on them to go go building. they're not pouring money back on you. Um, so that's all I'm trying to I'm trying to understand what Ryan's needs are and I don't know what they are yet. So >> yeah, and so you know, we came and said what it what is available, what is out there. I mean, in most areas when you go
to develop, especially areas that have had no development in a very, very long time. They want to do something to incent people to come and develop. Went and asked and the response was there's nothing in place. And so that's what's spawn in the conversation um I think with your attorney as well of
what is in place, what has been done before and no one really knows. And so there I think that's what they're getting to is let's start discussing it and figuring out is there something is there something >> I'm a okay with that. But what I what I have a hard time understanding is how
we're going to go to staff who are not trained in this type of atmosphere and say come up with a game plan when they've never done this before. No. So, what's what staff has been asked so far basically is that uh they they got the details on the the development presented
to you in this packet. There's some stuff in there, but if there's some more stuff that staff got um to go to the building department, have the building department look at that um what uh you know, what kind of fees will be involved in this or whatever so we can kind of create those numbers, right?
>> I want to push this thing through like anybody else does. I want to get it done. But when you start going over and saying and fighting the high-rise people, okay, and now all of a sudden you're like, "Hey, we gota we got to give them all this our CRA money. Here's our money and our daughter and everything else." Those people are going to fight you too from there or fight
this fight us. Now, I'm not saying I don't want to help them, but I need a more quantifiable understanding. >> Let me let me quantify for you. So, $138 million development between two projects, the 19 property and Gildog, uh, equates at our current 6.29 mills at $868,20
in tax revenue. Okay. annual tax revenue >> annual tax revenue every year after year and it's going to obviously go up in price too. So you're talking about uh a waterfront now that that brings in about $50,000 in tax revenue to going to $868,000. Do you want that or not? And
so in order to get that um you the city becomes part of the investment, right? So if we don't want it, we say, "Okay, we're not willing to give anything. That's an option, right? We don't want to help this project at all. Good luck to you. We'd love to have you. Uh but if we do that, we risk a chance on losing that potential windfall of tax revenue
and the spur of economic development it would bring behind it because that's just in a vacuum that project that project happens what happens with the surrounding properties and and whatnot. So um so I think I think we'd be prudent
to have a policy in place so that for transformational development like that the city has a vehicle to be able to provide some incentive and it could be again it's all tailored by the policy we can give very small percentage we give
>> I guess what I'm saying to you Eric is I don't know that we have the staff with the experience to come up with those things this is a this is a very oneoff thing as a city. We've got our waterfront out here. Ron's getting ready to pour money into our waterfront. You know, we don't have anything up that way and we don't have anything down here.
It's like right here, right? >> So, so I guess it it I'm I'm concerned as a sit as a sitting council person that we don't have the expertise to come up with what that really should be or is. And I think we
might have to I don't want to do another study either. Okay. I think we need some probably some expert advice on this. Yeah, that that was part of the GI or whatever. >> So, we there are consultants out there that do this. Uh GI was one of them that met with the city. Um and obviously
Nancy was involved in that. And so I think there probably will be some consultant work that probably we're going to have to prove to to help out with this. >> Well, I just you know what I would wish for council to do is to no offense because you've said several times you'd
be fiscally responsible. um give us a chance to produce a product and you don't like that product, we can bring it back to the drawing board. But I think that with the discussions that we've had with the city attorney, the city manager, um Derek Smith, our CRA resiliency coordinator, um with the conversations we've had, I don't think
it's going to be that difficult to come up with with with a with a with a building block for an incentive program. Um as as the mayor said, many cities have done this. we can pull that information, utilize that information, add add what's ours into that policy
and, you know, present that to council. I think I think going that route would probably be the most costefficient and and and and most direct way to do that. Then hiring, you know, you'd have to go out, you have to go out the RFP, then hire the consultant, then bring the consultant on, you know, unless you're going to p piggyback, but that that's
good, too. But there's a process to that. I think that in this case and since we we have some time since they're at the the point of you know uh clearing the property, we have time to work this out and and produce something that we we we can all we can all just not only use
for for this particular development but other development going forward. >> So I I think I I I personally will speak for the staff and I know the city manager will too. I think I think with the with the assistance of the city attorney and and what we have in front of us, we can develop a policy that's not difficult at all. Ryan, did you hire
any experts so far on this job? >> Yes. >> That's my point. Yeah, >> that's all I'm saying. I I I I wouldn't feel comfortable with any of us >> in this arena because now we're into a commercial relationship and we're talking right >> potentially millions of dollars,
taxpayer dollars. And I think we probably need some expert advice on this and that might work in your favor. You know what I'm saying? I just want to find out what the, you know, what the trading game looks like. You know what I mean? And and and I don't know that any of us have have been to that level of trading. And and hey, listen, Sam, I'm
not saying you're not capable of all kinds of things, but when you start dealing with commercial real estate like this here, there's a whole different way these things are done. And we I don't know if we've ever done that ourselves here, >> have we? >> We haven't done that ourselves, but there's many places that have. I'm just saying it's, you know, and like I said,
we I have I have no quarrel going either way. I mean, it's I I'll >> just think you're talking about maybe a few thousand dollars of expert advice here, you know, is worth it weight and gold to to to get us in a place where we're like, you know, we just don't have that person. I absolutely have been
doing this since I was, you know, 20. >> Again, we're we're we're digging down. We're micromanaging a certain process. >> I'm not not micromanaging anything. I'm just being cautious. That's all. And this is a this this is something that that uh is very important and we need to spend a lot of thought and put some time
into it. All that the ask is is that we start that process whether that involves hiring somebody to come in and help us or we we're good with what we've seen again that's all stuff that can be entertained at a later date. We just need to start somewhere. And I and I
will reiterate this is that the person that is involved in this is a taxpaying city resident who has invested in those and is is is an open book. And so obviously he's got a team. Obviously the city has to have our own entity. We can't just take for granted what anybody
brings us, right? Um, but there's a lot of knowledge that they've already paid for and resources that they've already expended that they can help meet with staff to bring something back to council that we entertain. >> What do you need a consensus? Do we need a consensus?
>> With this I I I agree we should move forward and look into this and and see what can be done. >> And how what tools we bring in to accomplish that is all debatable. So that's I want to help them get started. I want to hold one of those shovels. You know what I'm saying? Now you got two years to hold. >> Do you have a consensus that we need to
look into this >> with that? >> Any objections? >> I didn't once say I didn't want to. >> There's there's people down on the waterfront district that are excited about another architect and designer world class decades of experience and a lot of support from a lot of other
investors and developers as well work with other property owners and business owners down in the waterfront district. Um, and I think that Ryan should also work talk to them as my Disney get help from those people to tie into what he's
doing and put it all together. Um, and I think it's definitely worth it. Andy's been working on this. What do you think, Andy? >> And their information was passed to me. Yes. >> And we had a team do quite a bit of research on them. We are not going to
talk to them um or engage them. And so I'm just making that clear. Okay. >> We are not going to engage them. >> Understood. >> Yeah. And actually, since you brought that up, Bob, I'm going to go ahead and and talk about that a little bit, and I apologize, but I think it probably needs to be aired out because I know I've been
contacted by um uh the lady, Donna. Um, and all this stuff that's been going on in in the background that uh I I guess you've been spearheaded, Bob, uh, with with this Paul Leaf France guy and Donna and proposals are coming in the city.
There was there was never any council direction um other than that we were looking at getting um uh um appraisals done on the on the property there that was for sale and and all a sudden we've
got proposals coming in from from um Donna about her her work with going around the city and and entertaining hotel developers and all this and I want to I want to point out the city homes nothing down there but about a third of an acre corner lot And >> I made that perfectly clear.
>> Yeah. Well, it I it it did the message didn't get across, I think, to to to Donna and them. They they they're think they're fully on board with rolling with this. And again, we've not talked about it at all here, council. And so, and again, what what that would involve is
the city to acquire a large track of property um with the speculation that some some of the stuff would happen. Um, I've also been aware of business owners have reached out to me asking about this where um, you know, they're saying what's going on? I've been approached
about am I interested in selling my property? Um, and so again, you know, the city is is not in a position to to to really entertain this because again, we don't have any property for one. And
what happens in in private industry if if people want to sell their property and they create large tracks of land that they want to do development, we have land development code that that governs all that. And so that's where the city's role is is to uh provide the codes uh and encourage private
investment to come in and do that. Now there are there are cases where a city um would own a large track of land where we could purchase that like we're looking at for a water plant to to serve a public purpose. Um, but to speculate on real estate is not something that a government entity normally does uh and
shouldn't do because you're speculating with taxpayer dollars. Um, and I know I can tell you from my perspective, I don't I wouldn't want my taxpayer dollars going towards real estate speculation. What I >> I I don't understand where you're going. I don't understand what you're talking about. Nothing to do business owners and property owners down there were
interested in working with them. I don't know what comes up as far as city dollars going forward. what to to purchase any land tracks that this would apply to. Obviously, if somebody came in and and and made an offer and purchased catches and whiskey joe's and and Hooters and all that and um and they
sell that and they come to us and they want to put something there, uh we we would look at it from that perspective. But what's what's kind of happening in the back end that the council hasn't talked about is that uh we're starting our own initiative that we're going to try to bring these resort hotels here
and we're trying to get everybody in a room to sell their property and and create the avenue to make that happen and pay u uh folks to help design that. Again, it's all speculation that it would even happen because at the end of the day, like I said before, the city does not own any property. Um and and
we're not, you know, we haven't discussed looking at not that we can't do it because we obviously have the ability as a council to make a decision to purchase property. Um but what we do with that property um and so if we want to if we want to acquire property to build a resort hotel, that's something we want to bring into the city. Um by
all means, we could we could look at that, but we have not talked about that at all. It seems that that's that's kind of happening in the background. And now we've got people sending us proposals and bills uh to pay for uh that we haven't even talked about. So there >> you're saying that people came in
wanting to buy the property and businesses down on the water district. >> The city's not get involved in independent real estate transactions. >> I I I well I I know that. I never assumed that they were. I just they talked to business own property. Are you
saying that other people come in wanting to buy Missy Joe's and Ketches of the property down there? Is what you're saying? the the the word I've gotten is that there's there's been conversations happening um and that uh you know what the city's doing with the property. I
think there's I think there's information getting out that isn't accurate. Um because again the only thing that that we've talked about at a council level is that we are we know there's a property for sale in the center of the waterfront and uh it was listed for $1.6 $6 million and that uh
we uh we see the value in that property um of what we might be able to do with it. And so we wanted to have appraisals done on it, the required three potentially and we haven't even made that decision yet. The only the only thing we've made decision on is to see what the cost of those three appraisals would be. And then um
>> we talked about possibly using and some other things, >> right? you you've brought you brought your ideas and whatnot, but again, we've not made any decisions as a council um to move forward on any uh parking decks or resort hotels. The only thing we're
doing is is uh looking at possibly seeing what the appraisal value of uh the waterfront property is. And at that point, we'd have a discussion. Should we spend taxpayer dollars to purchase that at those at some cost? And then what you know, the next thing we would decide on that is is why are we purchasing it?
because we'd be accountable taxpayers on why we're purchasing a large track of property. And what were plans is it and if if our plan was is in the future we want to put a parking deck there that would be a public purpose or we wanted to expand our boat ramp and or whatnot or turn it into a park. I mean there's
all kind of public purposes we could do with a land acquisition but again we we've not come to any conclusion on what we're going to do with that nor do we own it. >> So I think there's some cart before the horse. That's I know that's all we talked about. That's why I don't understand
the other alternative focus there. I don't understand nothing like that was discussed with Andy and me and talking to property owners down there. That's that's all that Andy said, >> right? the what what what the public record
would show is there's proposals that have been delivered to the city by both Donna and Paul def France on a cost to uh draw up designs for all this at taxpayer expense and to pay Donna to talk to all these real uh hotel
companies at taxpayer expense >> without my understanding that was uh designed they want they talked about was the businesses uh having a theme and everybody being on the same page was a theme. So we have a
world class designer architect was going to design a whole waterfront as far as a theme for everybody to follow. So when you drive down the road it all looks like either it's like Crystal River on the water or John's pass something like that theme. So if he wants to encourage
other business owners to to build that archet whether it's a hotel or a condo or whatever they would hire him to do that if you want good old trouble to design the whole waterfront then show us hey this is the concept this is what I want.
He's done a lot of worldwide concepts with hotels and resorts. Well Tasco County and Paradise Marketing was very excited about this. They're the ones that brought this to the table and I sent it over to Andy. Andy wanted them to work with Tammy on what they could do
down there and they wanted to talk to other business owners, get their idea. Everybody was all excited about it. >> Well, again, council's not direct. >> Didn't want to go to all the trouble and put this design together and hand it to us. We can just use that say, "Yep, this is what we want to do. This will follow." He don't get anything out of
it. He wanted to get some of his work out of it. That's I guess what that's what for I I just read the email. I don't know about all the conversations going on behind that, but I'm just telling you what I know. That's all I know is just the whole water district as
a concept that people could use as a guideline to change the business. >> Right. Well, well, again, if catches and Hooters and all these property owners got together with Paul France and Donna and and they uh wanted to draw up some
design on, you know, on their dime or whatever, that's that's great, right? and and you know, no problem with that. But when it comes there there's been no council direction to instruct our city manager Andy at the time or anybody else to do any of this leg work. uh this is
all coming in the back end and and again I know you you you mentioned yourself on on council about you you you've have this this dream right of of bringing resort hotels and whatnot but again it's not been a direction blessed by council that we're going to pursue uh drawing up
plans to hopefully attract that and I'll just give you my my personal opinion on it >> toy about it suggested to me the only way all you can see at the same time would be a town hall you didn't want to entertain All right, let's >> go ahead.
>> Excuse me. Um, is there any way that we could find out who that contact is at Pasco County? And Eric, Eric, you could reach out to that person at Pasco because I feel it it sounds to me like there's some
miscommunication going on and that nobody's on the same page about what is transpiring in the background. I know I was contacted by Donna and I referred her to you, Mayor Hoover, so that you could get to the bottom of this. But I think before we make any decisions, yay
or nay, about moving forward or you know what what we're doing that you go to whoever that is in Pasco that recommended that they contact us and just find out what it is that is ex they were hoping that we would do so we can
all get on the same page. Well, in my Adam from Pas County Tourism that reached out to me and EDC, I guess with that as well as Paradise Marketing, they're familiar with him. He's the one that reached out to me and then I just introduced them to uh had a meeting with
and city manager and >> I yeah just like for um for Mayor Hoover to have the opportunity to speak to that person and Pasco Tourism and just get to the bottom of whether Pasco Tourism was
approached by this group or if um Pasco Tourism, you know, I I really don't know. Um Bob, I'm just asking, you know, for for Eric to be able to get to the bottom of how this came to be and what the expectation
was of from Pasco Tourism to send them to us. >> This group of people are building two uh hotels at at the bypass and at 52 and expressway. They're also doing condos and hotels out there by
all that. They're also doing big projects in Mississippi and Fort Myers and other places around the world. The designer has anyway pretty good, like I said, tried to bring to the
table, but the other business owners were excited about filming. They did a Zoom meeting with them and I just thought it would be a good idea if they wanted to work with Ryan to help him out. They have decades of experience and decades of marketing behind them uh to
make things happen. But if you don't want to, that's fine, too. I'm just >> Well, and Bob, let me be clear. It's not it's not a unilateral decision that I make. It's a it's a decision that the five of us make. if it's something that uh we get together, we talk about and as
a council we decide we want to >> that's why I'd like to get some clarity by sending you to this person in Pasco Tourism to to find out if we're missing an opportunity by you know not understanding what I don't think it
doesn't sound like we all have an understanding of what what's being requested of us by Pasco Tourism. So if you could get to the bottom of that for us then we have a better idea of what We just have him come in and talk to all of us. >> That'd be fine, too.
>> Yeah. Are you talking about the the Pasco Economic Development Commit uh committee? >> Well, Adam, I mean, Adam would come in and speak for him. >> Adam is Pasco Tourism, right? >> Okay. Do you have a question, Chris?
>> I did. Chris, >> I'm okay with looking at all kinds of things. We got a big fish on the hook right now. Only work with the fish we got instead of going to look for another one. You know,
he's not he don't want he doesn't want to speak to these other people. He he already knows his game plan what he wants to do. You know, can we talk about it? Sure, we can talk about it. He said, I'm not shouldn't talk to anybody else. I know what I want to do. >> Right. And that's the way it works. He's he's he's like any developer. He's
trying to work through his puzzle and all that stuff. And >> sometimes when you're working through the puzzle like, "Hey, get out of my puzzle." You know, so at this point here, I I'm I'm willing to talk or look or you can call the e economic development people and all that stuff you want, but we we're looking to get this guy here with some shovels in the
ground and pictures of all the council people holding a shovel and getting in the paper and getting that place off the ground. And that's that's really what I was trying to portray is is that we've got real life case study happening right now. Um this seems like a competing um thought process that the city go off on
a tangent and try to build this theme if you will and and all these other things. I know when I had a conversation with Donna, it's it's hotel and possibly two or three hotels and and I'm thinking in the back of my mind, I want to share this with within the public meeting because I can't talk to you outside of that, Bob. Is that you know, what do
resort hotels necessarily do for the residents of Port Richie? I mean, it's great that it would be a destination to bring all these tourism people in, but our responsibility is for the residents of the city. And I'm not going to go down and rent a hotel on the waterfront to enjoy a resort hotel. Um, but I am
gonna go down there to visit shops and restaurants and and all that. >> Get your haircut and whatever. >> What? Haircut, right? Do I need one? >> You do. I need one, too. It's all right. >> But, um, so, you know, >> needs one, too. That's all right. >> Resort hotels are great. Um, but is that what is that? Is that the product that
we want us to really sell here in Port Richie? Hey, is we're going to be a a destination for everybody else, but exclude the the the very people that live within the city that's going to support these things. Um, so that's a question. Uh, and and maybe the answer is yes, we want to do that because
that's what we we need in the area. Um, I'm I'm somewhat selfish. I think we we need to build a a community place down there um that everybody can enjoy and live there and uh and and congregate and and be that that uh small town >> um that welcomes outsiders, but we
really exist to to to be our own >> uh place. >> Excuse me. Was there not also consideration for the for zone two of the redevelopment district over on Clark
and U Bailey? Was that not part of the area that they were interested in possibly redeveloping with a hotel? You talking about the uh the old welding shop and that when you say they who's
the >> this hotel group I believe I heard from them that that zone 2 area over at Bailey and James Clark was an opportunity. So what I'm saying is I I would like for us all to get on the same
page about what it is they're even even proposing and that might require at least one person to go to um Pasco Tourism speak to what is it Adam? Is it >> mine is the sports coast? >> Find out why they are being sent to us.
And if if it's zone if it's not waterfront and it's actually zone two, James Clark and Bailey, that might be something that, you know, we could look into because there have been several residents asking for a a nice hotel,
something beyond just a quality in or something. Um, so I'd hate to miss an opportunity just by not understanding what it is that's being presented to us. >> Yeah. I I think what we need the >> possibility of somebody Frank's property
out there where seaside used to be the CEO co um and investing into that condos possibly tying in with Ryan's property maybe selling in gaps working with him so he wouldn't have to borrow money from the city or get incentives from us
saving the taxpayers money. There's a lot of possibilities, a lot of options on the table. >> Yeah. The only the only thing I'm saying here is that I'm not >> I'm to hear just take money from the city or have us give a break. Uh I mean, what does it hurt to listen to me? >> There there absolutely is nothing for
all that. But what I guess the question is is what involvement does the city need to take in that private uh real estate holders business? That's what I don't have any I don't have familiarity with that. But I I
don't know if other cities do anything in that regard and that's why I just think it's important that we talk to Pasco to see why it is that that these people are being referred to us and what is what the expectation is of them of us to receive the information from these pe
you know these requests from these people. If we go to Pasco, I think that would just, you know, sum up some of the confusion that we have going on. And if we find out that it was actually Pasco that was um
that was approached about this and they just referred them to us casually, like I don't know, go talk to Fort Richie. Or if it was something else, if we just get to the bottom of that, I think we'd all have a better understanding of what's going on. But if there is an opportunity for um you know for us to improve an
area, give residents a nice hotel that many have requested, not necessarily a resort town or anything like that, but but many residents have on numerous occasions requested that we look into, you know, the possibility of a hotel, a
nice hotel somewhere because just the that hotels in this area for when they're excuse me, I'm saying I have cold um when their families come into town that there's really not very great um hotels in the area. So, they have
requested that on numerous occasions. So, if we can just get to the bottom of what the request is of us from Costco tourism, I think that would would help direct us. >> Yeah. Well, why don't we do this and and we don't need to talk anymore about tonight, but um Bob, if you could
whoever you've talked to at Pasco EDC, I mean, I think Bill's his name um that heads it up. I can reach out to him, but I don't know if he's the right contact. Um, or Adam, but if you could have those reach out to me. And I will say that normally if something like that where the county is is uh want to do something, they would reach out to the
mayor. Um, and they have not. So, nobody's reached out to me. This is just other than these individuals that have been working with with you, Bob. Um, and maybe with Pasco as well. >> They were they were working with Andy >> or with Andy, but I didn't write any checks I couldn't cover. Andy's got Andy's got all that information.
>> I just I heard took a meeting with them, one meeting with Donna and one with Paul Le France guy and they were discussing ideas and I mean let the market prevail is >> right >> essentially the message if they want to acquire properties down there
request a PUD that sort of thing processes are in place. Well, I think there's an expectation of those folks that the city is playing an active role in this and to my knowledge, we haven't discussed that and so that's all I was bringing up. So, um, Bob, I would say have head have those contacts, reach out
to me directly and I can I can get some more information. I'd be happy to bring that back to council and and uh be be better educated. >> I don't I rather not Andy Andy got all that information >> or I can if he doesn't he can ask >> Yeah. Yeah. Please send me sir. I
remember meeting a couple of people at that meeting that Friday afternoon in Newport Richie, but I I didn't get >> business going. Okay. Whatever you want. >> And Adam is Sports Coast.
>> Yes. >> Yeah. Right. >> Appreciate it, sir. >> And maybe if you want to set up a meeting with myself, you and >> then we get bottom what's what's going on. >> Perfect. That's all I have. So >> motion to adjurnn. >> Second. >> Have a motion to second. All in favor
signify by saying I. I.