##VIDEO ID:FoZvFREjpjI## let the record show that member Ron podova is absent from today's meeting and member Devin Aaron here good thank you all right anybody comments on minutes comments from sorry r any comments or inputs from the audience or anybody uh to get started here that we today hearing none we'll move on um okay uh had uh an opportunity to uh do some followup with the county we'll talk about that that's one of the topics today um I think I was hoping that Sean might be here today Chris was following up so we could have some conversations from our last meeting on the Planning and Zoning components and how we wanted to go forward with that um so that's where I was no other General stuff other than um good stuff from the meeting with Pasco County on how to do Outreach and uh one of the things that I'll just land out here for the city uh to be thinking about from our County meeting was that that given our economic condition and such that for our size what we're being told is that there's virtually a limitless supply of dollars available to us to the extent my Takeaway on it was we're only constrained by our capacity of what we could handle so I believe some of the things we talked about the fire station as one topic maybe think on the road side as well but uh I don't know everything that's in the hopper so maybe a brief update at that so we can figure out how much band have can we potentially go after and is there more that we can put on the plate but we don't want to swamp ourselves so uh with that uh why don't we go around the horn and just uh updates on things start with you I don't have anything I don't have any updates right now at this moment okay well some might come but none right now all right um I'm still working on kind of a um maybe like you know some suggestions that we could bring to council for um sort of improving the standards for you know things that are built under um the whatever it is 12 foot line or whatever it is for the for the FEMA um you know like like sealing your studs and and instead of putting back drywall party board or PVC or whatever because you know to raise these houses it's like you know $150 a square foot and it doesn't really make economic sense um to do that this feedback kill me but uh but uh but uh you know and and the FEMA thing makes sense why they put that in place with the 50% Rule and some places it's like 15% and whatnot but the problem is we're a very unique place and a one- siiz fits-all you know thing across Florida or federally doesn't really make sense for everybody and I think when these rules were put in place the cost of labor materials was different and now we have you know crappy materials like drywall it's expensive you know and the labor to put it in is expensive so I think that um maybe rather than raising some of these houses when these when these um disasters come through which they're going to come through and they're going to be problematic for us and we're going to have to rebuild um you know instead of raising them right off the bat maybe we fix them properly so that there's not giant piles of crap of drywall and construction debris outside in our in our neighborhood because maybe it's just furniture and maybe it's a little more palatable maybe instead of having base plugs a foot or two feet up maybe we mandate that you know when when we have to rebuild we put them six feet up little things like that can make the the this community more resilient and on more of a better footing going forward for people who don't really have the money to you know rebuild or Elevate or whatever it might be and I think we're kind of in a funny in between spot um but I cringe because a lot of my neighbors you know they're doing the best they can but they're really just putting it back the way it was and the problem is is like next year does this happen all over again you know and that's really the issue and a lot of time and and and with idilia you know the year prior a lot of people just rebuilt their houses and this just happened again and and they're they're sick to their stomach but they're still doing the same thing let me interrupt you for a second I mean I think that's a a great um approach I guess the the one thing when you discuss the postmortem component we're bringing it all the way up to the federal level which is a big challenge because if you look at the uh Federal insurance and stuff that's a nationwide thing so uh going against that windmill will be a big challenge uh and stuff and I'm I'm wondering based on what you're talking about if maybe um a slight shift to say forget about helain and Adelia and when damage occurs because that's when the game starts yeah all right so maybe what we should be looking at from uh from your perspective is saying what kind of Grants are available out there in our potential community to improve my home now beforehand not after the fact beforehand so if I was to say I can get you a grant for $50,000 to improve the resiliency for uh mitigating damage so if a storm occurred I only had 10% damage versus 60% then maybe that's something we could do for the community then that people uh um could go and look for grants that maybe it's there's no cost to them maybe there's some cost to them but there's probably a whole Litany of flavors out there yeah but um and getting concrete walls or getting you know pressure treated lumber or any of that type of stuff instead of looking at as a postmortem look at as before the fact yeah because that's a whole certainly the question what should you do right is one piece okay so we could maybe Pro provide some um maybe there's things out there that talk about the things that you can do if you could bring that to the table we can say hey yeah that makes sense for us because we're on the coast and y y y yeah and then here's potential grant funding that could be done instead of paying $100,000 for cleanup right maybe it's $50,000 for getting your home in a shape that mitigates that my class example is nobody lived on the beach if they didn't have needed their head examine because you knew you were going to get water so but today I think people look at it more as a permanent established might it's not Castle right it's not it's not so what can we do in that line so I guess my two cents worth would be to look at it from that perspective not necessarily cleanup but going forward you know year from now somebody buys a home where somebody decided to go if you're renovating the city has these suggestions or recommendations there's these potential grants that are available and there's all these types of things so instead of getting your regular contractor to go do do that I'm sorry [Music] Matt when we were talking about grants you talk like state or federal grants or who where's the grants coming from my earlier statement yeah yeah uh basically a lot of federal stuff uh available a lot uh that we didn't get down to specifics I mean we could talk about so as it relates that's all I needed so as it relates to um your home if you're getting any money from the state or feds they're going to ask this one question are you in a high Hazard flood area Y and the answer is yes they're going to say oh so your home is is above the base flood correct and they'll and we're going to have a lot of people say no and they'll say sorry you have to raise your house yeah I I think that's reasonable and feasible today but I think if we go to our politicos and say hey look we don't want to hit the flood side what we want to do is try to get some money set aside for uh for bypassing that hit that the insurance program takes I'm with you so that's yeah no I understand what you're saying I'm I'm trying to give you the the reality though when you know they're they're going to circle all back because I mean I think the state right now um I can't say the federal government but I I can say the state right now is in pretty good lock step with you know if if you're getting money to improve um personal you know homes or anything like that and I think actually cdbg which is another source of money for renovations of homes that some of our residents actually you know today go to the county and work with them to get I don't know what the the limits are but $50,000 or so to do Renovations of their home bring it up to compliance but but the limitation is going to be are you you know located in a flood Hazard area and if so then it kind of goes back to okay are you elevated or not elevated well we're not elevated and then it'll be well um you can use money to elevate but not do the renovations that you're talking about I I I think where uh my if I put my optimistic hat on and we go the government by the way go I know it's the government I know I understand it's the government but we have a uh disadvantaged Community uh we have people that really can't afford to do these things in particular even today's programs if I don't have the dollars in the front end I can't play bottom line so you're really making a uh a severe disadvantage for people in the community and there's much of this in this in the state particularly in the middle of State both on the east coast and the west coast and I think if we could come up with a package that said hey look and show them the numbers okay by doing these types of things that we know are bulletproof and there's a lot of things that are perfect cating out post storm that are relatively bulletproof if people would be willing to walk down that path certainly some compromises on their home damasa but if they're willing to walk down that path and we can spend $50,000 instead of $150,000 that's got to be an attractive option at the from a taxpayer standpoint and at the federal level if we get to the right people to make the pitch but we got to have the story yeah we don't have that today yeah but I guess that was my my only thing that I was pointing out is that today you're kind of limited in what what you get Grant wise for your home if you didn't meet qualifications that they're they're going to put there that you know are you in the flood Hazard area yeah if so are you above base flood level right and and if you're not and I I think I'm willing I've bounced my head against the wall the government for quite a while and so I understand how it could go but in order to kind of get a potential walk forward with with Devon here on his maybe there is something that we can do not simple but maybe given our size we can say hey at least try it and if we got 10 homes better than they were it's not going to cost them a whole bunch but they could at least say oh yeah that doesn't work but we got 10 people's homes in a better St than they were so that's kind of I'm willing to play the game personally to go run that you know windmill down possibly if we could have the story so so I'm I'm I'm not a grant guy I'm not a government guy um I'm a real person who's rebuilding some homes right now so I I have Knowledge from that that I'm playing with in my head and I'm and I'm thinking about what it cost to raise a house versus fix a house and then and then do we fix it which in what way are we fixing it are we fixing it to withstand uh a 15 foot storm surge are we fixing it to withstand a 10- foot storm surge so what I'm saying is what I'm trying to do is give give give something to councel for us to give something to council a recommendation say hey let's make everybody spend 30% more or whatever it is a little bit and let's actually make these hous in the event that bad things happen you know we can actually you know just throw out our furniture and and and you know put a new house in there and be done rather than rip out the walls and rip out all these things because people are putting back drywall and just crap they're not they're not raising the outlets some people aren't doing anything and it's a health hazard it's going to happen again I believe you know we're um we have like you know an earth that's changing and we're like little ants running around and you know we might think we know but we really don't know and I think that it would be wise for us to um be thoughtful about I think there's I think there's I think there's when you have such a widespread between replacing it raising it and just fixing it and I think you can get more value out of just fixing these things rather than ripping down or raising if you do it in a manner that's more common sense more flood proof let's like flood proof these like little houses that are on base flood elevation because our city doesn't have enough money in it quite yet and enough growth and and pressure to really rip these houses down and redo them they're doing that in Tampa they're doing that all over but we're in like a weird funny spot in between so I'm trying to you know make some common sense things to where like a guy like me I own my stuff so I don't have insurance so I'm rebuilding my stuff under these you know thought patterns and if we get another flood I don't even care I'm going to throw away some furniture and appliances and I'm gonna move on with my day and it doesn't cost that much money can we can you take this and bring back a solution I'm working on that right now but I'm but I'm but I'm kind of bouncing around the room so everybody knows sort of my thoughts before I so so Deon I think brings up a good point in his earlier statements about what what is the level that we're building to right are we are we building for a 10- foot surge or 15 foot surge I mean you know understand if if it's over your roof done yeah I mean there's there's point and I don't even know what that surge would look like to get there for a lot of houses crazy but but we we had it I mean we were up to some roof lines in the city in this last score run but I was thinking that maybe the way to kind of answer that question in the vulnerability analysis they do those different scenarios right and and maybe that's something that that you know this this committee should pick and say this is what you know in the next hundred years the and again I don't remember what the numbers are in terms of height but this is what we want to build to 2070 is our our Target for everything is 2070 that's what we're warning around today uh on everything we're looking at and then if there's an interim step for like 2040 or something like that but our all our decision particularly on the city infrastructure is geared towards the 2070 we didn't know exactly what that meant we didn't know if that was the right number but that's the dart that we threw that's our starting point so uh going back to the vulnerability I can't quote you number right off the right off hand but the 270 threshold is what we're shooting for that's not going to deal with a u a significant storm event okay that's just the sea level rise component that's described in the vulnerability vulnerability assessment so but they do but they do in that when when you pick that it does have the analysis of what these different types of storms you know 100 Year 500 year so you could then pick you know which which one I mean it's to me it's like kind of like you know a store putting in parking you know do put it in enough in to park all the people coming to your your store in Christmas or do you put just enough that that you know you know will will suffice for the every day and then deal with the the big surge right I mean right so I mean that's that's I think what what needs to be done there so he can understand me because again you know convincing everyone to put their their uh their Outlets six foot up that'll there'll be a lot of interior de graders won't like that right I maybe it's or maybe it's you know a different a different height I think I think kind of like little little cuz Here's my thought process we had to replace our most of our outlets in these single single level homes right they got wet you know the actual receptacle needs to be replaced because it's rusting and corroding internally right so if you if you just move that receptacle up you just you just gained yourself feet of resilience to a disaster like this happening again that's true but I I hope we look a little further than that do we need do we need outlets at all right do we need outlets at all yeah we need Outlets maybe maybe not no no no we no no no we need Outlets period so we're not going there but but but needs an outlet I need an outlet all right you got to have an outlet but but but but really the the point is is that we're we're kind of in a funny Place between rebuilding new where we're 2070 where we want to be right but the reality the economics aren't here for us that's the problem so what can we do somewhere in between that's creative I like the creative side I like being creative I like I like seeing an issue creating a solution and in business I profit off of it but in this capacity I'm going through something personally and and what I'm learning from that I'm trying to implement to help the city so that when these people go through this again I'm going to have the money do it again I don't even care it's just a but these people don't have money to do this again and I want to make sure that my neighbors or whoever are doing this I see them they're putting drywall back and I'm just like oh my God we're gonna do this again I'm just a practical guy that's that's where I'm coming from so let's take that run with it and then next round bring it back to the to the table okay how's that cool I do do you guys think I'm sort of on the right track Bob what do you think you're dealing with this crap too I'm just list okay you know um but I think we have to have something yeah I mean I think there's a lot of things out there I think we just need to pull something together that we can I mean you're dealing with this too you're not dealing with this but you know you're sort of dealing with this you know everybody's got their stuff they're dealing with so I mean now is a good time to sort of talk about it and I just think these things are common sense because the the big Federal stuff doesn't really help us cuz we're we're we're kind of a poor Community here unfortunately you know so you know that's why you said sort of in Mid Florida it's sort of that way you know because South Florida's you know got the money and then North Florida you know is not as susceptible to the storms as much maybe Panama but well we just haven't tested the envelope so I think we have to have something that we can carry forward to see if it has legs and we'll we hunt or not okay because if we don't have some we can talk about till the cows come home but we've got to show something and see if it'll hunt and that's the part that's what I'm eager to try to find straight out of the blocks and I'm still I Flo our storm water issue here at the county and uh I I think maybe there's some receptivity but I think maybe something simple and see if it hunts or not is where I'm going okay Linda um I don't have anything at the moment I went to the meeting and I'm anxious to okay get to that um the only thing I have I talked to uh Michael fosi at the uh at Warner Boyce he was uh I think very enthusiastic I think Linda warmed him up for me um so what I did was I invited him to our next meeting yes he's uh it was too tight now he's catching up on a lot of things so he's planning on being at our next meeting so what I'd like to do is just forward um Ashley the information to him I can get you his agenda or I can forward it however you think is best uh to make sure that he comes if you want send me his contact information and when I send out the agenda I'll send it to him as well in a calendar invite perfect he's got a uh there's a biologist I think I mentioned Tracy zisa uh that works down at U one of the parks down south and uh he say she would be a very good asset to uh have involved with us so uh that was uh good news so that was uh my followup still no progress on Newport Richie um I've got I went ran One path uh before Christmas that didn't play out I got some other intelligence that I'm going to try a different path here but I wanted to give it time to soak uh here but uh so no uh no new news on on that front so uh the other guys here we'll just move on and uh go to the first item which had to do with the Pascal County resiliency meeting discussions that Linda Chris and I had an opportunity to uh meet the players there uh we met with Dr Mark Bellis who's heading the effort they've been functioning for about a year now and uh we also met with uh Jeff Harris who's their uh freshwater ecologist and uh very knowledgeable and also Anthony Thomas who is their um grants guy if you will that I think we have some familiarity with and uh also um Alan bom is the the fourth of the four horse folks if you will that is in uh in uh Dr Bell's organization so we had three of them there it's a very good session I'm going to let ly to kick off first and then uh we'll go from there we'll give you a little bit of a background of how it went and then if you have questions so we can have some discussion because we were just mostly listening as we went to the meeting um I I've already got sorry no you're got you're thank you I moved it over forgot sorry and spoke with him and had by notes with me and and shared a lot of the information with Matt so he's he's up to date on a lot of that um it was a great two-hour meeting it was a lot of information um all three of them were very knowledgeable and very very willing to help us there was no push back at all I felt it was very encompassing and um I think we're on a great road to to having them help us and us help them as well I mean this is definitely going to be a um a team effort and uh by the way they were talking that I think we're going to be good they they gave us a lot they gave me have prior to and I appreciate that very very much right so um you have the details and I know and you can speak much more eloquently on the details than I but um I'm very uh excited excited about about the whole Prospect of working with the county I think that's one I think that's what the main takeaway that we had was that uh they sound like they've made a lot of pro projects this was an early announcement if you will they haven't really briefed internally getting information from them that they haven't really discussed extensively inside um I think the the main thing is they're U they're focusing on um what they're calling the university based project called fut and Dr ping Wong is leading that effort out of USF and uh he's involved in setting up Coastal monitoring stations for freshwater monitoring and also title ISS issues looking at what we can do for wave along the M along the entire Pasco coast and uh they're studying Pasco specifically he was involved with the uh Houston galliston project there setting up uh what they're doing uh he was involved with Katrina and the Louisiana stuff so he's apparently the guy uh so having him as a as a resources um really big the other thing is they got some initial large trunch of money that reactivating if you will uh something called Rivers projects which is has to do with flooding if you're from the area uh there's only a couple of those things that were taking place historically back in the 60s one's over in Tampa and one's in pelis County but all the other efforts were kind of uh not looked favorably on by the politicos so uh they have got funding for that that seems to be I categorize it as Cornerstone of their efforts going forward on a broad brush standpoint because there's already State commit commitment towards it Army Corps commitment towards it um because they know what it is and they're basically lifting something off the shelf that's 60 years old like they're revitalizing it exactly um so it's but it's a known entity so it has legs and they is being shov ready if you will so I have not I've looked at it in the past it's been a while um I'll need to look at it a little more see if there's some hooks that we can draw down the cating and maybe get some a lot it does with Cypress Creek and those areas I think there's some for the um um ano but uh I think they addresses all the watersheds but I just don't remember what it had to do with the Cody so I'll just hold back on that one um one of the areas that they encouraged that us on was and Matt I don't know if you're familiar with this but the southeast director sustainability Network ring any bells that was the Tampa Bay I think it was the same I think it was I think it was like like a subet like a subcommittee of that okay I wasn't sure if it was something different or a subset of that but it was another entity to see if we had any engagement with if we don't they're encouraging us to get engaged so I did follow up um I reached out to uh uh Tampa Bay Regional planning can't remember what her name is now um and it's very exclusive apparently because they don't send out the notice to everyone um although now I have a notice but uh they but they only wanted City staff they what what she said is if you have City staff member we'll send it to you so I'm City staff member so it was sent to me so good the next next meeting I will plan on attending because it's all virtual for most part it's all virtual so I get to a little bit more I think they talk a little bit they've talked about a little bit about that at the uh resiliency uh conference if I'm not mistaken um and then different times during the uh Tampa Bay Regional Planning Commission they'll talk about it as well so it it sounded to me like some of the uh potential project discussions and positioning for potential projects on in those types of forums so it seemed uh very relevant for us to be tuned in on that based upon the tight knitted of uh those meetings I would say there something going on there yeah there's certainly posturing that goes on with the counties and through the Tampa Bay Regional planning but maybe this is new enough that we can shoehorn in to some extent um let's see Anthony Thomas has a lot of connections with uh ping Wong and I know uh Jack's office and some of the Commissioners as well so um I think whatever we can do we talked conceptually with them about establishing a technical committee and if they they might take away was they view ping is really the focal point on that but making sure that we had a broader base I still believe is is relevant um but the other Anthony talked about was am of funding that was available and this was my takeaway we talked about the fire station and our grants for that he talk I think there was one other project that you mentioned but basically what I came away from that session was if we can describe it and say what we want there is non-managing funds available so we don't have to come forward with anything from the city given our size in the criteria so the what I came away with is like as much as we could handle we could probably get so I don't know uh I think from my standpoint it would be help to know what we've got in the hopper from the storms and then anything else that we can identify and go after storm water roads whatever if we can matching funding from the city I ask but that's what I that was major emphasis Matt so we have um I mean I think from from a state perspective what what they've been kind of pushing all the communities through um you know the vulnerability analysis first and then the adapt adapt adap action plan yeah that's that's and they put I'm not even sure how much few few million dollars every year they 12 I can't remember what the number is and so they're they're at the almost the end of every community in in the State of Florida doing that and so their next phase is now um looking at the the either actually funding construction of theability plan items or doing the studies for those and so uh we submitted um sometime last year maybe in the fall to when we put two in at the time one was for the fire station and to help fund the the the program study we need to do for the fire station that's the next step is figure out what it is we need to build right and where um we also put in a planning grant for the um Bay Boulevard so from basically Wilkin to Old Post Road um possibly Beyond if we can get fit that in there but the plan calls for us to raise those erings right um and we're looking besides raising it trying to enclose pipes the open swells now because everything connected there um and so we've we've applied for that we probably won't get those because there's still enough communities seeking the first round of funding that they'll prioritize those first but we'll at least have them in for the next round I mean basically we have put together for the next round so we can resubmit them and they're familiar with um we're also as it relates to uh Babel our fire department all of our lift stations um the Indian Mound um trying to think and I'll explain the importance of the Indian mountain in a second back up a second so we're pursuing these how so we we've applied for Grants through that Florida resiliency I think is what the the funding is it's the same it's the same uh program that funded our vulnerability um assessment and adaption plan okay so that's that was the first one so now um these other areas we are pursuing uh first with the Army Corps of engineer um and also FEA I mean there's it's actually kind of a twofold so you know we're we're looking at 1026 or 2026 or 1606 I don't know what the numbers are um but looking at funding for some of these things through FEMA the mitigation uh program HD something um someday I'll have all these memorized it'll never Happ yeah I hope not um but anyhow so like like our lift stations you know we we need to harden raise whatever we can do to our lift station so they can survive whatever comes our way um you know FEMA is interested in that through the the mitigation Grant so you know we just received notice that uh we got three uh generators for for generators approved through that HD PT whatever uh program um and so we're kind of be going the same way with hardening of our our lift stations at the same time um it was actually something that uh we had a conversation with the county early on in in the whole uh storm scenario uh that led to uh them setting up a meeting with Army Corps of Engineers which I kind of laughed at at the whole Four Rivers thing because that's where that came up it was actually Army Corp brought that up to the county that that plan was out there resurrect that plan it's already an established Army Core project then it's easier to create the next project and and so they've flashed on to that um at the same time um I committed a a you know same time our own project to the Army Corp and um that was primarily looking again at at um not only well primarily Bay Boulevard in that area um fire station and all of our lift stations and the Indian Mound and again I keep bringing up the Indian Mound is the only way to protect the Indian Mound is to do something with all of Sunset and so I see that as kind of the Lynch pin if and and there is money to protect these these type of uh cultural inheritage um that's the only I'm aware of in the city are there any others that we're aware of I don't think there's any other that's been I mean I I don't there isn't anything that's been identified but I can't believe that there isn't is do we have any resource in the city that can go with uh reach out to the uh Florida his archaeological uh I can't think of the proper name but they've got a list of all sites that have been since the development and I've pursued it up on u in arica on things and they have a whole Litany of information may I suggest if we have somebody that can reach out for our boundary and get everything that they have on the record because the nice thing about archaeological sites they never go away so if we bring them to the table and they're scattered through this around the river and and art community that's a big Ace that we can play for anything because the mound is the only one I really know about right now dollars to Donuts from what I've looked at and the information and the folks at the state are pretty nice they actually can extract that stuff and you can get it all and I think any funding that we have going forward if we can bake that in that would be a major score so we'll leave that with you yeah and and the that was that was a part of the vulnerability analysis and and that's the only one that I believe was flagged in term which again I I you know I I don't necessarily think that that that was done to the degree that it should have been done I mean I think there could have been more but it is what it is now um so yeah we we can we can look into that because again I think that is an Avenue when when we're putting grants together especially the type that we'd be looking for identifying those cultural SL Heritage type assets just they look better and they score some more points that we need to do when I get back I'll go my records and I'll hit the state entity but I think if uh we start a dialogue there that'll give us some ammunition on that front that will really complement anything else that we do particular because along the river there's got to be things and we just don't know about them and yeah they've got stuff the early surveys were done in the 60s and 50s and what I learned from my exercise is they're always there they never go away so for grant funding consumption they're valid because we can point to a document that says they're exist so um actually just got something earlier from the Army Corps and we've been trying to set up a meeting to discuss this more the last discussion I had with them they weren't too impressed uh with helping us on the fire station because they believe that for whatever reason the water comes from all over to flood the fire station and so the Army doesn't really care about that they want a directional they want a connection between the Waterfront and and what they're protecting um so they they weren't too thrilled with doing anything but still in the air because I'm not giving up on that um but they were very interested obviously in our um lift stations B Boulevard and the Indian Mountain although see this this is and and my caution to you is a lot of people talk about a lot of things but that doesn't necessarily mean that they know a lot of what what they're talking about and my conversation with the Army Corp was that they they had kind of put the the county off that you know there wasn't any viable in in the projects that that they were looking at there wasn't any viable project for them to talk about now I had you and they seem to think that there is a project and the Army Corps is working with them they the county the county right so I I don't know I just know enough to know there's a lot of people talking about different things that aren't the same and and it concerns me so I I just you got to be careful when when people say this is going on because that that you know again Fort River Project didn't have anything to do with us right and and so if if they're pursuing that it's it's for the the Eastern side not not for us middle and middle KN I I I personally believe that we need to use the river to hook the Army Core directly and I think if we can figure out what exactly we want to hook them with what we want to protect those types of things then you know say we need a uh barrier to protect the road along sunset from the condos to the Turning Basin there uh where the road goes I think we ought to pursue do that if directly ignore the county on on their project but we've got to get some conceptual ideas that we can shop with the core directly and and so understand that that I I 100% believe in cooperation and working with other levels of government I think it's it's a must being a small City but I also believe that as to what you said we could be on our own own and so we can't just sit back and say well the County's taking care of us because I'm telling you um that's not the case um and so yeah I'm reading what the uh the Army Court had sent me throw these out so they're looking at a possible cap 103 initiation report and a cap 14 effort report so if you guys know what that is please let me know because I've spoken to him a dozen times still don't understand those things but I do know that if they're doing that and they have our name on it that opens up the possibility of funding later on that we really want so my my effort is really right now to try to keep city of Port Richie in in their their wording on these these initiation reports and whatever I can get on that initiation report hopefully it's to be because again you know we we kind of hit the sweet spot for everything they're looking at you know we have blue sky flooding cured in the city um and that's something that at least up until this point I can't guarantee you know after January 20th if if there's going to be a priority on that but right now there is a priority in the Army Corp for looking at those climate situations that are Ur and this is a big a big one so anything that we can do to to help that is is better beneficial to us well one of the things that hoped to do on the second part was to kind of identify those roads we've certainly talked about Bay last time uh but Sunset as far as I know is probably the most exposed Road in the city as far as just about anything I can't speak to the other side like Washington and where the river bends around there on Grand but uh I think that's a little bit higher than Sunset well sunset sunset is experiencing direct Blue Sky flooding all the time yeah Bay Boulevard is an indirect Blue Sky flooding because in and of itself it wouldn't flood if not the cross connections into you know the the canals you take those away then it doesn't flood but well we're always hoping for the second part of today's meeting my bias was to hopefully figure out how to escalate sunset or at least figure out what we need to get to what what information do we need do we need grades all along Sunset as a starting point do we have information there as far as elevations that we can compare in contrast to uh the 2070 or 2040 or or the Blue Sky flooding you know do we have that information at our fingertips today or do we need to get it [Music] D so that map I have in my truck shows what the elevations were in 1989 for for the entire city okay um but as we know since 1989 till now the tides have changed just like there's a flap that got put in that goes through the back of Davis uh I forget the lady's house that she she lives across the street from shering Shar right there that flap was put in in 1996 well where that flap is now it always stays half full so back then when it was dry everything was able to to dissipate out well it's not like that anymore so um it just shows right there that you know the whatever it is it's it's it's higher than what it was back then for sure right but you have that map you're describing has elevations yeah I'll go get it um let's just go next Roo okay if we can get that to Ashley to send out to us and we'll put item two on the agenda for next and that'll be a starting point that we can review before we come to the meeting if she can I don't know how what it looks like but if it's something that we can digitize maybe that would so at at Davis at Davis and sunset Davis and sunset flood because of the Marina's boat ramp yes it comes up floods right there obviously because the road is lower than the tide right and down by where um Pat Rogers lives that also floods and in the middle kind of close by where the Indian Mound is just to the east of it it floods as well so that just shows you right there the road is lower than the tide that part I I I see it so I believe it yeah what I want to do is figure out what can we package and what conversations can we have with the core because that's a federal Waterway Matt's earlier comment is coming out of that Waterway and it's affecting our community directly no ifs hands or butts yeah and it's affecting a a an important safety thoroughfare for the public to evacuate and I'm not sure how many people live in the how many units in that uh condo there Matt any idea the one there at the end of uh sunet by the marina that's probably 25 say no more than 40 40 but anyway we got a substantial population there that sunsets a critical potential evacuation route that we ought to be able to get the Army Corps off their dove with some basic information and even as long as we have the basic information we show elevations we'll translate them to our 2040 I mean we're running into stuff since 2015 all right 2010 whatever once we look at it but then by 2040 we're completely in dated and by 2070 forget it so let's get them focused on and I think I think you know a a connection to all this is that that when you get get into like The Surge both in idelia and definitely with hen so when when you look at the way this water comes in there's a path that follow right as soon as it passes this point right here which is limestone which is our evacuation route right Li the designated evacuation route yeah that's the one that takes care of anything so again what what we say is that that this blue sky flooding as it keeps going and pull it out a number of years could have an impact on our evacuation route because of the path that this this water is following it if you look at the dead trees follow the dead trees and you see exactly how the water where the water comes from first and where it leaves last and it comes right down through here I mean I'm willing to put together a brief story that we could do a briefing to Army Corps uh about that if I could just get the base information at least at least the conversations and these guys mentioned the other day the small projects group you know they've got like 20 up 10 to 20 million to spend uh on things if we can at least start telling the story work it through the channels and get something freed up um you know to me that looks potential like a potential shovel ready or close to shovel ready type thing because it's been happening it's not new news right um so let's let's put that Ashley when you were out darl's going to get with you on some details that he has specifically around if we focus on Sunset that would be good okay and figure out how we could digitize that to get it out to the member so we can at least review that beforeand so so i' let you know this this was the map that as I was getting a meeting set up with Richard Butler is the guy from the Army Corps not the head person but person that's been working with us is it Jack Jacksonville I think he is yeah pretty sure and so he had he had asked me for this next meeting we're were going to have is to kind of although he didn't want to know about where the fire department was he just wanted to know where our lift stations so I identified the lift stations but I also went and identified where the Indian Mound is I also identified by the Orange Lines where we're experiencing the the uh Blue Sky flooding and so again this is kind of my my action map that I keep bringing to him to try to get that that small project initiation report off the the ground now on the on the blue sky um we're not showing anywhere else along the river and on the blue sky do we have an elevation that we're describing that the reason why I asked is that through the culverts we've had street closures in Harbor aisles okay that not too much different than Sunset because it back flows in it doesn't over top like Sunset but are we shorting ourself oh definitely all right so and and these and and I'll tell you the reason why I I have gone with these is because we have pictures so I don't have any pictures of those so if we and and I'll tell you to to FEMA to the Army Corps pictures are gold if you have a picture that shows it they they are more willing to listen to you then just describing it I I I think if we can get the numbers and describe what it is I may be able to dig up some pictures uh at least to that area but I think the key thing is if we can come away and say um blue t uh Blue Sky deal at a 1.5 or a 3 five is limiting access they're going to understand what that is and that's here are all the places that are impacted by that and this is to the degree see this picture all right so I think that part is what I would hope to have that we could say okay let's get off the dang done because on Sunset you can drive down during high tide and the road flooded yes any day of the week yeah I mean if we have the the high high and it's running in a A plus three you'll get your tires wet yeah because I have it pictures where it's an April Blue Sky BW out flooded at one o'cl afternoon yeah destroys your car too destroys it's not good for the road because the road's not really there so kind of just sits and ruins a road Jesus yeah that's it right um so I we've got a lot of great ideas so we're going to focus on Sunset that would be my suggestion just so we could get something unless I hear something from somebody else that says I think we got to eat the elephant one bite at a time and I think got to start taking little bites and trying to make some difference I agree with you 100% so Sunset Bard right I'm sorry Sunset and Bay Boulevard those are like the two Bay is we've got in the hoer from Wilkins to Old Post all right so Sunset we don't have in the hopper other than some loose discussions let's get some meat on the bones and then if we can get more meat on the bones for uh bay we will but let's let's look at Sunset because those folks have been impacted for a long time and let's get a package together if we can at least get one package together then we can say okay let's do package two you know package one worked let's do package two three or whatever it happens to be but I'm anxious for one package if we can get to that and um I think the evacuation route is a is a really viable one to chase Indian ding Indian Mountain critical infrastructure so our sanitary sewer system and evacuation those are the three three things that tie this all together and the one thing that we can do at the because we have two boat ramps there but one of the things that we can potentially do if we get the core to respond is to uh mandate some protections for those ramps during uh normal uh during off business hours if you will or unuse hours however we figure out how to do that because that will all be required and and certainly you go to New Orleans and they have stuff that they put in place so there's no reason why we can't do that we just need to figure out what we want and how to do that to make to protect that part of our our Coast all right so what's the process for that so who who is responsible for doing what next week we're gonna pick up item two bring that F next week next month sorry um bring that forward darl's going to have some elevation stuff for us we'll have a conversation we probably will need to hold for that topic so we can get something done if everybody is agreeable on that um so I'm willing to go there and if you guys are good on that yeah all right do you want me to just make something like I did last time with the elevations what I sent out yeah I I think if we can get it beforehand not coming in cold turkey would help me and um and we'll do that and then the other thing Matt that I'll do is I'll look for the Florida archaeological stuff yeah and uh send that to you because I think if we get that out and we find that there's several others in the community we can leverage that on anything else that we're doing whether we have the details about it or not it exists is is there something that where oler park is located I haven't looked at the the county has some information but the state has all the information look like he's got a secret yeah does anybody know I always say I say it because I I actually um early on um had a a wide ranging discussion with representatives from the county on where the Indian Mound was located and they identified it at um olner park because it's the olner mound yeah I I'm assuming I mean I'm just I'm saying hopefully that's not why I'm hoping that maybe there's something significant there that they know that I didn't know so given my time in the area if you go to like philippy Park in penel County that's Mounds there but a lot of the parks I don't know our history on our Parks specifically but oftentimes what you'll find is the vacant land had something so if it has something let's validate it right and and again as what I've discovered is it exists at the state level it's a viable entity that all the government entities will salute and given what's going out in California right now with all the cultural stuff they've lost I think we can play that to our benefit if we can say we've got this here here and here and I gotta believe the river has something I think there's there's probably a lot more than what we we understand with it because I mean again you know in preparing for our Centennial uh doing some reading on the history here there's there's things that I know in other states would have been by the state in those different states would have been designated as historical area but it doesn't appear that it's been done here and and understanding again where those are located because again a lot of what I read doesn't really say it's located here it says somewhere around the point I like okay which point yeah I think you know Clarks has been here for a long time there might be some things in that area around the waterf and overlay discrict um but I think if we get this Source information then we'll have something to base on and then any unknown stuff uh but I would certainly encourage from a building department standpoint if encourage any of the permits that we issued maybe there's even a clause if you discover anything please let us know stop you from doing stuff but at least if you would let us know that might be something I don't know U but does that satisfy what you were talking about in this question one of the things I did write down was um that was surprised me at the meeting was when we talked somebody what either Chris mentioned we need to have like diamond we need to have something to a draw and they key right on dery key they're like you do you do have and I'm like and I brought that up to Matt I'm like don't we own diry key so what because this Dr W is all over Journey key and he's gonna go out there and he's gonna so I so I was a little what was he saying about joury key I'm sorry what was he saying about Journey he wasn't saying anything because this this this doctor is going out there who's going to be addressing the whole Coastline and and um that it was terms he was basically there's a study going on uh for resiliency on dir key it's cooperatively with USF and I think the emc's involved and stuff and the way the county was presenting it yes was as uh the canary in the coal mine yes routine I was not personally drinking that Kool-Aid kind of to what you were talking about okay County that's what you think is going on I think there's bigger nuts that we can cook with the state and with aabon versus dernie key I agree I just wanted to bring it up as as a point that we need to make sure that's diry key is ours correct uh I don't know about that one is that that's not I don't know that's State yeah it's state okay thank you but what are they trying but what is the discussion around JY keia my question resiliency island is is is affecting the Cody River and and how we can potentially um green and gray protections they're doing oyster balls and stuff like that and seeing their viability and cor protecting against erosion it's like all right I mean it's like disappearing that's like that was a good thing you know I think there's better ways to skin the cat personally but okay I I I think we we had met with a representative from the oton like a year ago this was a long time ago and um I think the lands that the aabon I mean that's where the canary and the coalmine is because you know and I don't know what his time Horizon really has been but but it seemed like a long time and you know he's talking about the changes happening at the oton land from when they first first acquired it for today is significant and and I think what are they saying has changed so so much water just like yeah it's you know he was actually I think there was more dry land in the past than there is in a number of the bigger trees are yeah because of the salt water intrusion I have one question and I was and I'm just curious because you you know somebody might have the answer here but I was talking to Mike FZ and he was saying to me that the the water is rising an inch a year and I was like well gez if that's the case that's really alarming and I don't I didn't thought I didn't think that it was that I thought it was like a more like an inch every 10 years you know but it really seems that in the past 10 10 15 years like there's really some uptick you know that's when we talked to the city presenting stuff that the what is it like do I mean the last 20 years been much more accelerated than it was over the previous 80 years and going to continue to accelerate um what it is today um you can certainly debate but U yeah I think if we look at some of our information that we've produced it's it's in there and I think that's as accurate as you're going to get and certainly the vulnerability study has things on events that uh are helpful and I think before we get into next week's meeting I would encourage encourage everybody to kind of re-review some of that stuff that we pulled together not only the half stuff but I think the numbers that we put in one schematic that we have this city and how many inches it's increased over time uh that's pretty much on point uh to the 2020 time frame so but from 2020 forward it was going at a much steeper rate so but I think next session one of the things we should come away with if we know the elevations the road we need to agree that okay by 2040 at that rate we're going to need this and by 2070 we're going to need that right we need to be ready to have that conversation amongst us uh next time is what I would suggest so prepare yourselves for that uh so we're all at least knowledgeable and so when Daryl brings the information when he says well we're at a uh you know plus two at Sunset well you know we're going to be at a plus three for blue water tide uh situations guess what we got to minimally do that and then if we have a 25e storm we got another two feet on top of that so what do we want to go after for this solution does it need to be three feet or three and a half what is happened to be what do we need to go to the core with that's what I would hope for and do that in an hour that'd be great so all right any other conversation before we uh go do I have a motion to wait wait wait wait so on on your desk I put the flyer for the coastal master plan Tampa Bay Coast so we we are a part of this they they received $2 million 1.9 something like that from uh Noah to put together a coastal master plan for the Tampa Bay area which were included in um on the n 19 21st they're GNA be having kickoff where they'll be doing some work to start that that project they indicated we could have three to four three Representatives um I'm going to try to get a representative council to go um and I don't know if there's anybody here I mean I was going to attend as well if we get another representative from uh this committee I think would be a good thing so if I could get um a volunteer so I could register the people it would be great I well you're from the city though yeah it would be better I mean it's okay if you go I'm yeah yeah it's like I said we we have kind of clearance she said four or five so how about put my name down and then Yuri uh possibly in certain but just at least put my name down and then we'll make by next meeting we'll firm up all the schedules and if something falls out then we'll do the text Tuesday I'm good to go because I'm not working anymore good for you I've got a lot of free time that's awesome not really that's why I was late too free with your time my first real day of doing nothing you know when you work you wrong time the uh I was you're right early other the other thing I wanted to bring to your attention is um the Tampa Bay Regional planning and the regional resiliency sumach Group whatever group that is I think they're all one in the same to be honest but who knows anymore um they have their resiliency Summit uh this year it's May 15th and 16th in P meow um now last year I went the mayor attended one of the days Chris Leeds attended one of the days um um I'm going to try to get PA Council to go because I think it's a very valuable resource to understand what's going on in the region all these different ideas which I think will help help formulate better planning going forward forward um I think members of this committee should go as well I have to figure out how to fund all this by the way but um that's you know this I think is an important thing so it's the 15th and 16th uh we're going to need to get um registered probably in the next month or so so maybe uh the next meeting if you can attend that you're interested in attending that if you go to the Tampa Bay Regional Planning Commission and I I've actually sent a link out to everyone you can see kind of what was the different things from previous years um but it definitely I mean I I think you know unfortunately the the first day when Chris was there was the best day of the two days second day because they have their their luncheon and everything it's kind of short and not a lot of good information there's some information but the first day was probably the best information so um if you could at least get first day if not both days it would be good as well so from my perspective on any of those types of events at least if we could get one seat from the committee that would be helpful that way that person can bring back information plus we can share it with who any any City members that go as well because I I think it's incredibly important for us to be publicly viewable and then for those things that we need to work uh on the side doors we work those as appropriate because they'll know we've already been there so uh that's my take well and you know one of one of the things on the the first day was a number of the state representatives of different agencies were there that uh we I was able to talk to about different things and that's what led us being able to submit for the or wanting to submit for the uh resiliency grants because he had said probably you won't get funded but you know we keep we keep track of what you're submitting and and that that goes towards the points that you get to get funded later on so so there is there is a lot of value there besides what you're learning from other cities um if we have a larger group go to some of these functions if you were to put together things that are important to us or hot topics right now that we could share and say when you get into that conversation with so and so at least this little cheat sheet says you know what that's something we're looking at too uh who can I connect with so we can be all problematizing to uh whoever to help our end game Cool okay so look your schedule May 15th 16th we'll talk about it at the next meeting set what the uh the workshop or the different uh things are they're still working on that so we don't know yet what what the different presentations are going to be but okay very good anything else all right so wait sorry so much going through mind right now I apologize uh going back to the Tamp Bay Regional planning I think it would be it would be time well spent and I know you're having someone coming the next meeting um but if I can get someone to come from Tampa Bay to talk here as well and talk about what services they could provide to us if not this next one the next meeting no sooner is better okay no B basically the only thing that I can think about right now is the what we were referring to to the next meeting um inviting the um State resources to come all right and if we have somebody from Tampa Bay Regional talk about what kind of resources they have available I think that would help all of us and help him too because he was he was need deep underwater too when I went and met with him you know first initial right he had all the drywall in his shop with well so whatever we do is we'll give him ammunition because he his boss is the state right right so it'll give him ammunition um I would think so I think it would probably be beneficial to him as well toar I think that's why he wanted to engage uh it was very degree and and also they always had a long laundry list of things that they needed to do from a restoration standpoint those things all got pushed back so anything that could be moved forward there's a benefit there it helps them out so yeah I think okay I will get that set up we'll fine-tune the agenda with Ashley but I think yeah between the two we if we can get somebody booked on that's a good thing okay we'll do I'll absolutely motion to adjourn seems to be my job second all in favor