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Part 1 (Video ID: HyxnYFg7oPU):
- 00:00:39: Meeting Called to Order, Roll Call, Introductions
- 00:02:09: Memo Introduction: Rethinking Historic Preservation Approach
- 00:03:10: Memo Discussion: Inventory, Owner Interest, Flood Risks
- 00:07:24: Honorary Recognition System, Florida Municipalities, Tax Incentives
- 00:10:10: New Smyrna Beach Example: Honorary Plaque Program Details
- 00:11:46: Maintaining Historic Homes, Building Codes, Disaster Recovery
- 00:15:02: Recommended Next Steps: Inventory, Owner Engagement, Inactivity
- 00:16:38: The Convoluted Circumstances of Port Richey's Historic Preservation
- 00:17:43: Public Comment: Experiences and concerns with Historic Preservation
- 00:19:35: Historical documents and Landmark Potential, Vault Housing Documents
- 00:22:01: Property Inventory, Historical Society, Address City's Realities
- 00:25:03: Discussion of Fish Camps, city owned land, and Future uses
- 00:27:25: Chatilly Farm, Discussion of Land Historic Places
- 00:28:13: About the AI Assistant, Personal Experiences with Flooding
- 00:30:36: Saving the past, State and National Registers, Local Historical Designations
- 00:33:22: State-Level Training, City-Level Restrictions, 3 Square Miles
- 00:36:03: FEMA Guidelines, Flood Resiliency, Coastal Resiliency Committee
- 00:38:16: Inventory: Pasco, Online, Letter Surveys, City Council Approvals
- 00:40:23: Historic Age Considerations, Inventory Cost Analysis
- 00:41:31: Tours, Incentives, and Chasco Discussion
- 00:43:10: Homes in the 20s, Hotel Sunset History Tour, Home Year
- 00:46:10: The Pink House, Inventory Process, Incorporating Port Richey Only
- 00:48:10: Building Standards, aesthetic, no designated land inventory.
- 00:49:17: Original Survey, Negative Publicity, The Vault
- 00:51:28: Coastal Reservations Committee, Meeting Scheduling
- 00:53:09: Plastic Sleeves, Finding Inventory for Fragile Items
- 00:54:18: Online Resources, Budget Approval, History and Heritage Day
- 00:57:33: The Sunshine Law, Museum Research, Discussion, Motion
- 01:00:16: Duties, Page- Splitting, Going Through Boxes Duties assigned
- 01:01:38: September 17th, Birthday's, and the Adjournment motion
- 01:02:59: Discussions for Saturday Meeting, Ashley Send, No Business


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Let me start again. I think it Is that one ours? >> Yeah. Oh, no, it is. All right. Say it again. Is that one ours? It's ours. That's not ours. I call the Port Richey Historical Preservation Committee to order today, Thursday, May 14th, 2026, 6:00.

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Call to order. Say the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all. Thank you. And secretary will do roll call. Um Chairwoman Laurel Hubbard. Here. Vice Chairwoman Christine Sullivan. Here. Secretary Courtney Tuttle. Here. Member Kim Lascari.

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Here. Lecarry. >> Lecarry. And member Bev Stevenson. Okay, here. Um everybody's here. Uh we need to approve the minutes from the last meeting. No, not this time, ma'am. No

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roll call this time. The meeting has started. Next meeting. So, there be in minutes. Any comments from the general public? We have nobody here today. So, no. So, we'll go right on to our general our agenda [snorts] for general

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discussion topics. I have something. All right, Christine. I have a memo. If I could get a motion to introduce this into the uh record. I need a motion. Oh, I'll make a motion

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to enter that into the record. I'll second. Okay. All those in favor? All right. There we go. You want to pass those around? And if you'd like, I can just read it. You can follow along or something. Um it's just something I've been mulling

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over as we look at this and um of course with needing some training and money being in you know, something that's coming next. Um I thought I'd I'd mention these things. So, anyway, um memo Port Richey Historic Preservation

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Commission members from me, May 14th, 2026. Recommended initial approach prior to formal organization process for historic preservation efforts. >> [snorts] >> Before undertaking the formal steps to organize and activate the historic preservation commission, including

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member training qualification determinations and establishment of post designation requirements, would it be prudent first to assess which potential historic sites still exist within the approximately 3 square mile

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city limits of Port Richey and to determine whether property owners have interest in pursuing historic designations. The commission may wish to begin with a preliminary low commitment inventory of potential historic historic sites and an

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assessment of owner interest. This collaborative approach would help us better understand the actual scope of remaining resources in Port Richey, gauge community support, and thoroughly consider practical realities before committing resources to formal structures

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regulatory frameworks. Public records indicate very few recognized historic resources within Port Richey city limits. The primary archeological archeological site of the Oelsner Mound, a late Weeden

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Island period temple mound dating back to approximately 1000 AD. This site located near the Cotee River was added to the National Register of Historic Places in September 2020 and benefits from historic protect existing protections. There are no known national

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registered districts or significant clusters of historic buildings comparable to those in neighboring communities. Much of the city's development occurred in the 20th century and older structures, if any, which there are some, are likely scattered and

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privately owned. Difference in size and scope between Port Richey and New Port Richey. Port Richey [snorts] has an extremely limited inventory consisting primarily of one significant archeological resource with virtually no concentration of historic buildings or

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districts. In comparison, or in contrast, New Port Richey features a defined downtown historic district along Main Street from Madison Avenue to the river encompassing multiple structures dating to the city's founding in 1920.

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The Port New Port Richey also maintains several individually notable historic landmarks landmarks including the Hacienda Hotel from 1927, the Richey Suncoast Theatre of 26, Sims Park, and other early buildings. New Port Richey supports an

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active active historic preservation board with regulatory authority over designations and has conducted structural inventories for properties built in 1970 or earlier. This creates a substantially broader scope for preservation activities, education, and

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tourism in New Port Richey compared to the minimal resources available in Port Richey. In this waterfront city, flooding risks remain a central concern as demonstrated by recent hurricanes. Property owners often need to repair and elevate structures quickly and

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efficiently after flood events to minimize damage and costs. Historic designations can add layers of review and requirements that increase the expense and time needed for maintenance and repairs. Maintaining historic structures frequently involves higher

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costs for specialized materials and processes compared to standard modern resilient upgrades. These factors may reduce owner interest in designations, particularly where flood resilience and rapid recovery are priorities. For

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example, um Sunset Boulevard where we have some, you know, early 1900s sites. Um they flood frequently. And to add added burdens of reconstruction or, you know, um or even

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um remodeling, you know, it limits it limits them. So, what I'm trying to get to is do we have, you know, the the needed desire from residents to, you know, And do they And do they understand what >> Do they understand what that entails?

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And we get into that we get into this next, so. Um let's see. Florida municipalities are not required by state law to adopt historic preservation ordinances or establish commissions. Chapter 267 of Florida Statutes provides the framework

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for state level historic preservation and authorizes the division of historical resources to assist and cooperate with local governments but does not mandate local programs. Local historic designations and associated regulations are voluntary and implemented through local ordinances

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when a city chooses to do so. There are optional incentives such as property tax benefits for owners who enter into maintenance covenants with local governments governments but these are not mandatory. How an honorary recognition system could

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work in Port Richey, which I'm kind of wondering if this might be our approach based on limited inventory and the fact that we flood and we're in a flood zone and you know, adding extra burdens onto people who flood, you know, frequently a problem. Um so an honorary

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system would focus exclusively on mapping, education and public recognition without any regulatory restrictions or financial rewards. The commissioner could develop a simple local register or list of qualified sites based on clear criteria such as

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age, pre-1960 construction, that's for instance, you know, or documented historical historic significance. Property owners can voluntary apply voluntarily apply for or consent consent to recognition.

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Key features could include official plaques purchased by owners and installed at owner request that note the historic status status and approximate construction or event date with no maintenance obligations attached. Creation of a public map, brochure or

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online resource highlighting recognized sites, the Oldsmar mound and any other qualified locations for residents and visitors. Educational efforts such as walking tours, interpretive signage, historical narratives or partnerships with the West Pasco Historical Society to raise

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awareness. No requirement for certificates of appropriateness, no review of repairs, remodels, or alterations, and no impact on property rights or flood resilient actions. This approach mirrors plaque only programs

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used successfully in other Florida cities where the focus is civic pride and public appreciation rather than regulation. It would allow the commission to fulfill an educational and promotional role without creating burdens that might deter participation

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in a flood-prone waterfront community. Examples of the Florida city with honorary or plaque focused programs, New Smyrna Beach offers a clear example of the voluntary historic property plaque program for buildings 50 years or older. The city implicitly states that

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displaying the plaque does not restrict use or maintenance of the property in any way. Program promotes public appreciation and civic pride. And I provided a link so if, you know, you want to go or put it in here, it it will bring up this >> New Smyrna Beach. And and they also have

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the broader historic preservation commission that designates actual um historic preservation sites and the requirements and restrictions and everything for those. But they have a

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two two-tiered system. So So that's not when you say uh very that's not like state level. You're talking about just they have a two-part like what you're saying. >> Right, they have the city part and then they have the honorary part whereas if

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you're a certain in age or you have you know, you were your house was at one point a gas station, the first gas station, something like that. You can apply for that um for that plaque and you pay for it and you can have it put in your front yard and it gets included on maps and

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educational materials and such. And that's it. You're not required to build back a certain way or, you know, you just you're designated significant in some way, but they have the higher-level historic preservation commission as

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well, which is acting as we initially intended, but, you know, they're a larger city and they have, you know, more More insight and such, yeah. that, you know, that works for. So, rules governing how designated historic

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homes are maintained, preserved, altered, or repaired after disasters or remodels are primarily established at the local level through the city's historic preservation ordinance. These typically require a certificate of appropriateness from the preservation commission for exterior changes,

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alterations, additions, or demolitions to ensure compatibility compatibility with historic character, often guided by the Secretary of Interior standards. The state provides guidance and resources for disas- disaster recovery of historic properties, but does not impose

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mandatory preservation standards on locally designated property properties. The Florida Building Code applies to all buildings in the state, including older homes. However, chapter 12 of the Florida Building Code existing build- existing buildings

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contains special flexible provisions that apply specific- specifically to qualified historic buildings. These provisions allow greater flexibility in repairs, alterations, and restorations to help preserve historic character while still meeting basic safety

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requirements. To qualify, here's the the tough part. To qualify for these historic spec- specific flexibilities in the code, the building must meet one of the following. Individually listed or eligible for the National Register of Historic Preservation,

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a contributing property in a national registered district or designation as historic under local municipal ordin- ordinance or resolution. Without such des- designation, the building is treated under the standard non-historic

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provision of the code. If the city opts not to include stricter requirements such as mandatory use of age-appropriate materials or additional review processes in its ordinance, then locally designated historic homes would benefit from the code flexibilities described

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above, but would not be subject to extra preservation restrictions beyond general building code safety and flood plain rules. The level of additional regulation is determined by what the city adopts locally rather than automatic state mandates. No state law

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in Florida mandates formal training or certification for members of a local historic preservation commission. Training is encouraged, particularly for communities participating in certified local government in a certified local government program where the commission members are expected to make reasonable

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efforts to attend state historic preservation office programs. For a basic local commission in Port Richey, training is not legally required, although it would be beneficial for members to gain familiarity with preservation principles, the Secretary of Interior standards, and local code

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provisions. Proceeding directly to formal processes risks creating bureaucracy around minimal resources or in the absence of owner and resident support. If preliminary assessment shows limited viable historic resources or low owner

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appetite or even a lightweight honorary program, the commission should evaluate whether ongoing activity is the best use of volunteer time or if placing the commission on inactive status would be more appropriate. Recommendation Recommended next steps: Conduct a

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preliminary inventory by reviewing Pasco County property appraiser records for pre-1960 or pre-1970 structures, whichever we choose, consulting the Florida Master Site File in the West Pasco Historical Society, as well as performing field

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observations, engage informally with owners of any older properties, particularly near a river or mound to assess interest in local designation plaques or related incentives, while discussing flood resilience and repair considerations, solicit broader

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community input through surveys, letters, or discussions to weigh potential benefits such as recognition or tour- tourism against concerns regarding renovation restrictions, property use limitations, higher maintenance costs, and flood post-flood

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recovery needs. Based on findings, recommend to City Council whether to proceed with ordinance development with an ordinance development focused on minimal honorary program or to allow the commission to go inactive if no clear preservation path exists. The The

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reconnaissance focus strategy grounds our work in current realities for Port Richey. It can help shape a targeted and effective role for the commission such as education, stewardship of the Oldsmar Mound, or cultural programming of formal

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designations pre-limited in viability, or supported decision to conserve volunteer resources by reducing activity. So, I just think that we have a we we have an elephant in the room that we have to face, that we have a flooding issue in the city. We have

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limited what would actually qualify under the state specific requirements, um, due to the fact that these homes have been repaired over and over again, and not much of them remains, um, you know, original. And then, should they

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flood and rebuild if we build our permissions stringent, you know, like say to to using studs, you know, if they have to use studs or if they have to use flooring or anything of the sort, doors, windows, tile >> then they wouldn't meet the

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the NFIP you know, or the FEMA restrictions um for flood resilient. So, we have this we have this convoluted set of circumstances and I think we better address it before we go through all of these formalities and training and such

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only to find out that our residents are not receptive to the program because they don't want the increased costs and they would rather just have a plaque in their yard, you know, the chance I'm historic, I'm thinking about that. My house was built in 1942. Right. I think it is and we've got like

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one of the first sunken Mhm. bathtubs. Mhm. I just concrete the way they did it and then the tile is like all from Italy or something. I would have to try to replace that. I mean, we just went through the flood and

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had to do all kinds of stuff. Now, if I had had to replace all that tile for that would be ridiculously expensive. >> I I heard and I have not ever confirmed this that but mine may have been a Boy Scout fishing camp from that back in

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1958 built by the Clark family and you know, that's kind of neat and everything, but I don't want I did flood for the first time in Helene. That's the first time that anybody ever knows of that home flooding and I wouldn't want the added restrictions. I wanted to rebuild within

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my 6 months. I got done like the day before that my 6 months was up and had I had the extra restrictions and requirements that I go searching for certain boards and Right. And what would insurance cover at that point? >> Exactly. Insurance is going to say,

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well, we're just going to, you know, this is what it cost and Many of our historic homes are on the water because we're a waterfront community. That's where they started building. And this commission has been um authorized by the city's charter for

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quite some time and it may have actually been formed and disbanded. We don't I don't necessarily know. Sam might know more about more about that if if anybody's ever attempted to >> yeah. um to organize >> they never really did never tried to do

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anything. Right. But there besides just the buildings, there I I don't know if any of you attended when we did the Centennial his- history heritage day. There is so many old documents that are city related that are

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in the vault. So, even if we stayed together for if we take that out of the equation because we are, you know, a flood in the flood zone and we're a coastal community. At least preserving some of the documents and organizing them so that,

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you know, we could and this is why I had given this out because what we did for history and heritage day, we basically had anybody that wanted to come in, they could come in, they could look around, they could look through all the old books, all the newspapers, um

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and then we also did a tour. So, even if they're not necessarily a historical designation, they could still be a landmark that we could share with Where are those housed right now? Hm? Where are those documents housed? Kept? >> They're in the vault. Oh, here?

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>> Yeah, they're here in the vault. >> Yeah, I mean, we could we we could form this however we want. I think originally we were looking at doing it like Newport Richey and as the more I looked into that, I thought we just don't have what Newport Richey has and we're in a, you know, a little bit

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of Newport Richey is on water, but we are, you know, quite a Yes. >> It's very close to water, you know, if we're not on water, we're very close to it. >> Yes. Um and I think I believe the entire city is in a flood zone. So, I'm not quite sure if there's There There are properties that aren't

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It's few. The only building that I can think of off the top of my head that would possibly even be considered if if the property owner would is the one that's on River Golf almost diagonal at the corner of River Golf and Washington by the fire

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department. That is That is really the only house I don't believe that it is, but it is flooded so many times because it's on Sunset. So, I don't even know if we could get designation for it because it

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is literally probably flooded 10 times. >> I know. That's what I'm saying and it you know, based on the qualifications at the state level, most of what we have left wouldn't meet those requirements. Now, we can build our own city level, but then we'll never qualify for the state.

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You know, like what you were talking about, we would never qualify for the state recognition. So, that would keep us from getting grants and things like that. So, we could put a lot of effort into this for very few properties. We don't know if any of these property owners would want to subject subject

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themselves to the stringent, you know, requirements. So, we better face the reality of what we have. And I'm I think basically for tonight, what we could do is determine who's going to look at West Pasco Historical Society, who's going to get online and pull some records, who's

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going to take a drive around, you know, who's going to determine things that are not property related, like you said, the records and such. And then we could come back We could come back and reconvene in this boxes and boxes and in 2 months or so with whatever we have

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all taken up upon ourselves to do and decide how we want this committee to move forward cuz whatever we want make of it. Doesn't have to be anything like, you know, We I actually be with for the tour I actually went through and made like a

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whole little history sheet for the tour guide to actually go up to give like a little explanation when we did the bus tour. That is still available. I believe Sal has that so we could probably take a look at that at the next meeting because it has a lot of the different historical

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sites like Nicks Park originally was City Hall way back when I mean so But again, it's right on the water. There's nothing that you can the city hall building is gone. All building is gone and even with the

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next even with the park still being there if we designated it anything it's going to limit it's a boat ramp right now. We're going to limit what we can do there and if it gets designated now we're shutting basically the boat ramp down because how how do you have a boat ramp as a

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historical designation and then we can't really make any changes to it. I think about this also we have this very small you know piece of land here in Port Richey that is the incorporated Port Richey. So say we were to take the fire department and

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make it historic when they move over to wherever they go and we decided we wanted to declare that historic monument. That takes a tax generating parcel out of a very small city and designates it as something that you know

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has no real purpose and it's an old structure that's not flood resilient and we're all about getting these buildings up in the air and making them flood resilient and all that and we have a relic that then sits there that doesn't generate tax revenue and we remove a

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piece of tax generating revenue out of the city by declaring something like that a historic site. We don't have a lot of land to designating things and removing them from the tax base. >> at least it's useful right now because it's

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where the fire department is, but >> Right. But I mean >> Once you take that away Right. then we have a It's still there. We don't pay taxes on not necessarily beautiful or is not very easily repurposed. It will flood. It, you know, will continue to age. I

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believe right now it needs a roof for $60,000. That'll happen again, you know, and that puts the city on the hook for maintaining something that you know, is a relic of the past when we are like so small that that parcel could become available again for something that would

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generate revenue, tax revenue, you know, tourism, so on and so forth. >> Are any of the fish camps um considered city of Port Richey? They have What's I didn't hear. I meant the fish

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camps. They they are um I think they're on the state >> I think they're state, yeah. They're state. So there goes that. >> Right. Yeah, they are. So we can make an assessment >> and back besides what we besides what we

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actually have. You know, break this up into chunks of what we can And I [clears throat] can get sound to print that Mhm. whole little tour that we had because it has addresses and everything on there too. So that might be helpful instead of having to dig through All right. some some things.

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I would love to go through that stuff though. And back out where the I don't know how to phrase it any better, but where the mansions are. Mhm. That used to be something else. That was back in Harbor Point? Huh? That's by Harbor Point. Yeah, I'm

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certain. Boyces Boyce had a mansion out there. He was one of our original builders, but his house is gone, you know, and before that I think Richie lived out there, Captain Richie. He had like an old shack out there. So the land itself

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could be So, you could say, "Well, this is kind of historic land." But, it's Right. The Even if it's the residence or the you know, the plaques, the preservation itself, the designation of being historic and what it is, and then the

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possibility of some kind of tax break for that. But, with that comes the added responsibility of how to upkeep that property. So, you know, say >> Or like if you set a plaque Yeah. when you enter into Harbor Point or whatever,

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you could put a plaque there that said it would explain, you know, what the change is or what's going on out there over the years. Please tell me about the the old Chantilly farm. Is that anything or nothing? That was there a long time.

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>> I I was trying to think of and I'm sure somewhere in all this stuff I have, what are things that are considered historic? So, it it might be just a place.

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Right. Just the land itself, a place. >> Yes. Mhm. So, it's, you know, And it's whatever we want it to be because we're already out of the state mix right now as it is. I mean, that's writing's on the wall that I was going to ask you, this is

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beautifully written. Did you do all this or >> Yes. >> AI or No, I had the assistance of AI. I I have a special way of like I don't I don't just say, "Draft this for me." I feed it everything that I need like things Yeah, things Yeah, this isn't something that

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it can just generate on its own. I'll tell it, you know, "What about you know, for instance, Something had to trigger you to think about this. >> thinks like in all these different steps, and then I say, "What about this? And what about this? And add this?" And

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you know, cuz they they can't just do this. You got to have human input to it. >> Right. But no, it will definitely save me the typing of But this was on your mind. >> Yeah. Mhm. It's It's been on my mind. I've been been thinking you know, because meeting number one, I knew very little,

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and then you explained more, and then I think, well, how is that going to work in a flood zone? And and then I go out, and I'm always researching. I was a paralegal, and it's just, you know, I'm institutionalized like that. I just always had to know everything. And so I go out there and

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research, and what would that require of residents in a flood zone? And then it, you know, it starts giving me all of that. And then I ask about the state laws and the building code and how the building code affects, and so now I have a general idea, and I'm like yikes.

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Maybe this is why, because I've also wondered in the back of my mind why this hasn't been established. Why this commission hasn't been established thus far? And then I can look at the differences between Newport Richey and Port Richey and having a downtown and you know, and

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I think what do we have? We have the Hacienda. We have the beautiful homes on Sunset, but they flood. You know, and we don't want to put restrictions on people that are already in a precarious situation with flooding. Well, Newport Richey has flooded twice. You live over there, right? I live right

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on Sunset Boulevard. >> Would you want the added restrictions? Without a doubt. In the Johnny Cash house, they've only flooded twice, I think. I flooded three times. Right. So, I mean, I can't imagine they would want those restrictions. Right. So, maybe my own plaque, though. A plaque? >> Yeah, my own plaque to let people know, hey, at one time I would say maybe a

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plaque. Yeah. And for clustered areas, it could be a clustered plaque. You know, if people don't want one in each yard, you know. I I think that >> whatever we want it to be. At this point, we're in the formation to determine what we want. I think a plaque is definitely the way to go. I mean, with with a lot of that. Right. Yeah, I

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I would I would think, and that's something we've talked about because it's a slow process. We haven't gotten what was submitted to our city managers on we're waiting to for approval to So,

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we discussed a little bit about well, yeah, that house that's historic, but what if that person doesn't want that? And then just today we were at the conference and there were, you

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know, the initial messages going out, but you kind of get the feel that people are more about um saving the past because when you're part of that, you you

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you you know, like when it somebody brought up when they were a kid they remembered going to this little it was a store or something and it was still there. So, 50 years later they couldn't wait to go back and see it again. So,

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that's the beauty of of preserving. But like you said, and I I did speak to someone that's here locally. And I said talked about if we could get it the historic preservation and be on the list.

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I think they were torn. And I have to say I I keep um one of the girls that went with me we were talking and it's like, I wish we had someone I know we have our personnel at the city

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level. But when it comes to getting on the state or national register, what does that entail as far as what you can and cannot do? And at that point if you're so restricted on

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um like we were discussing kind of the school like the windows that kind of thing. So, sometimes I hear one thing and sometimes I hear something else as far as the restrictions. So, I wish there was a Right. And then the reason why you are hearing some of that is because it's

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discretionary for the city. It's if you want the state designation, then you have to follow the state rules. But if you if you just want your your city historic preservation commission to be built a certain way, we could we could say it's

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only 1950 and before. >> Yeah, you We could say 60, we could say 70, we could say waterfront is 50 and before or 70 and before. >> Right. And inner, you know, non-non-coastal is something different. We could make it whatever we wanted it to be with the understanding that we're

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never going to get the state recognition. Right. >> And with with that comes, do you really need the training from, you know, the state level training? Do you really fit in with the commissions like the invitation you sent out? Because we're

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on a whole different level. We're doing something at the at the city level, you know, that doesn't doesn't cross over to the state, so we don't you know, we're not on the same level as other cities who take it that far. I think that's why we wanted to

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start at the city and and start in a small square area, but just keep building and and like you said, it's you start at the city like like we mentioned we would the first project

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would be the 1922 GHS. But you wouldn't have the restrictions, so to speak, at the state national. You could start at Right. And at any point, if you allow remodels with the at the city level and

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you have any intentions of going to the state level at some point with this. If you If you allow your restrictions to be so easy at the city level, then effectively you're removing any chance of that property

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being approved at the state level later on because they they could then remodel that they could flood and replace all their beautiful flooring with, you know, laminate or something like that, change their studs out to modern Home Depot studs or whatever, and then come

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state level time, you've effectively lost all of that because you allowed thing things at the city level that the state would never allow. So, it's kind of like you have to have a long-term goal, and then you have to structure your city goal with the

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long-term goal of the state level in the future. I just really don't think we have that. We have to rebuild quickly. We have to We have to encourage um resili- you know, flood resiliency. That That is >> [snorts] >> We're 3 square miles. I mean, New Port

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Richey, which I do understand wanting to keep some buildings or you know, it's nice to go by and say that used to be and I went there as a kid or whatever, but in a 3-square-mile city, you know, it's just so limiting. Well, how would

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FEMA look at it? FEMA would look at it as everything is still required to meet FEMA guidelines. >> Right. >> Your historic preservation does not you know, play into that role. >> Play into that. All right. Yeah. And you've got a percentage there. Right.

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Well, do we have a map of that 3-mile like if you were to Oh, yeah. That's a It's probably on the site, right? >> Yeah. I think I've seen it probably several times. >> Yeah, just a a Google search of overhead map of incorporated Port Richey will bring up

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the I think it's like New Port Richey, there's like general three, you know, 3-mile. Like New Port Richey, it's not just cut and dry everything. It's like Yeah, it's not it's not it's not in Port Richie either. It's not good, but that's how they

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weighing heavily like what we could do for Sunset without putting Sunset homes in a bowl because you can't, you know, you want to raise the road. You can't put them at you in a bowl because if the water comes across the road, you're you're in worse situation than if

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there's no help at all. So, we have considerations like the future of Sunset and how to deal with the situation they're in with just the king tide flooding that you suffer over there. And to start asking them, do you want to compound your problems? I just don't see

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it happening. I can't compound my problems. I've got to get back on my feet. If that happens to me again, I've got to get back on my feet. It's nice. That may have been something cool, you know, but I can't I can't focus on that. My focus has to be getting back home. Getting getting my

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home livable again, you know, and and out shopping for, you know, age-appropriate board and stuff, doors and that you might not be able to find. Right. May or may not. How long is that going to take, you know? So, and and that does even if there were, you

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know, like a tax concession for for the burden of going through these processes or whatever, that's the you know, the consideration, I guess, is what it would be. That doesn't mean that, you know, council is going to approve that or P&Z or or however that process works.

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Um So, [clears throat] it's just we just have a whole lot to think about, I think, before we dive head first into all all the regulatory stuff that we could get ourselves into and then just want to quickly back out of. So, how

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would we conduct a preliminary inventory? That's in the next steps portion where I said, you know, we could break up you know, the duties of what comes next and I would say, you know, just kind of make an inventory. You could say if anybody wants a a portion of this. Like

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I could go to West Pasco. Like >> [snorts] >> that'd be something I'd be willing to do and would love to do. And sit down with them and find out what what they have available. If you want to do some something if you want to do something. And then I would say reconvene in about give us time. I mean

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there's no hurry here. Give us time. Give us 3 months to put our stuff together and then when we come back we can take what we have. You have documents and other things. We take what we have and we our next step would be do we send letters to residents? That's

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what I was thinking like a survey or a letter. >> go to their door? Do we put a poll out online? Do we invite them here for a meeting? You know, what are our next steps? Well, we'll get to that part once we realize what our inventory >> What's there? Right. You know, that's what I would say.

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>> do it online. I would do it in person. >> Yeah. Right. I agree cuz there's no way to To know if they're going to get online. I mean somebody said they did a survey online and I'm like I don't remember Right. [laughter] Yeah. Yeah. Just throwing out I mean it could be

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like a survey that gets sent to them in the mail, you know, something like that. But not like on a website >> My only thing about that too with the cost of each a stamp. Yeah, well, I think we could I think if we're going to save the money on the education at this point I think we could

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I don't think we're going to have more than a couple handfuls of homes. And we can figure out what we're going to offer cuz we don't know >> send our letters out. not. We should tonight determine by consensus what we want to look at as

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historic. So, we know what we're looking at. And I would say I I would think 50s. Anything before 1950. 1950s so I'm a historic. Back when I was younger, 50s was

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nothing. That was 20 years ago. You know, now they're like 50s is old enough to be a historic. Great. >> [laughter] >> Great. Great. So, 1950s anywhere within the city incorporated or Right. And you know, and there may be like two

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designations. We could do a 50s and then if you've reached 100, then you get like a little bit something extra special, a larger plaque or maybe a little bit of some language or you know, just something a little bit more if you've reached 100 years that

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there's a goal to preserve homes to you know, we still want to keep them with whatever materials you have to put into them to keep them, you know. Um but the goal is still there that we aim to keep preserve prior's.

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Offer some kind of incentive. Like the plaque or And then like you said, you you do a map or and then you do a pin and Yeah, somebody says like when we have a You can have a yearly tour or something.

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I would like to see that like doing that. And and set up a Port Richey kind of historic tour day. Be a part of it. Cuz Chasco is more just Pasco County, right? Or is it just

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New Port Richey? Well, it's mostly in New Port Richey. It's mostly Most of it is in New Port Richey. What did you ask? Pasco, it's more New Port Richey. It's Pasco. Yeah. We could always

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tag. So, just to start out, I guess what we could do is say what we're willing to do within the next 3 months and I will go to the Pasco Historic Preservation and I will also get on um

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the assessor's website and see if I can do some searches that way based on age status and stuff and come up with some addresses. Now, if you're going to take I'm on the board there the West Pasco. Oh, if you'd rather take that one then and then I'll play online. I can't tell

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you exactly what I'll do, but I'll do everything [laughter] I can online, okay? I'll take the online stuff. I'll do all that stuff. >> Yeah. I'm looking at some things um one of the guys that's on our board, he's our vice president, but

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this was before he became an officer, but he's on the board. And but see this is a different scenario and this is for New Port Richey, but these are in the 20s. >> Mhm, I know. So, are you Do you think that um

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you've got older homes? Along Sunset, I know we do and then I know we have the the one was the hotel. What's the end the one that's at the when you come around off of Pier right on the Sunset, that that was from the 20s, I believe. It was a hotel at one time.

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The big house that sits in the back. It was a part of the It's on the right on the corner like on the bend when you're turning onto Sunset from Pier. There I know that was a hotel right where there's Shop and Go or something there now. Oh, you're saying it's gone?

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No, the house is there. The house was a hotel? Mhm. The house itself was a hotel. >> Yes. And this is it here in front. Do you know when that was, approximately? I I'd have to look at my I'd have to look at that paper that I made for the tour. >> white house with the pool

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and the house. >> something in >> Yeah, I imagine that is. Yeah, Sunset's loaded with it. It was, I can't remember off the top of my head, but it was one of the things that we did when we did the tour. That that was on there. I'd love that I would say your house is probably around 1900, right?

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>> No, my house. What house? 50s. Your reference and everything? I would have thought you were like early 1900s. No. No? Just well preserved? No? No. Okay. >> I think like Pearl games that I was

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talking about, that's been there. Yeah. That That's why I'm wondering should you go should I say older? Back to the 40s or 30s? >> That's what I'm saying, we could have two tiers. You could have the smaller,

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you know, um 50s and 50s and earlier. Um and then if you get into the and then when you get into reaching the 100-year mark, you get something more and we don't have to determine what that is now. We just need to know everything that's 50 to 100 year or or from the 50s or

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before. That's our first stretch and then after that when we come back, we can determine how we want to treat those properties as far as if if we're going honorary route, if we want to tier them in, you know, at 100 years you get something from the

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city rather than you paying the $50 or or the the 50-year or 1950s plaque yourself. If you reached 100 years, then the city's providing a plaque and we'd have to get council to approve that and stuff. But I mean, we could have some incentive type

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stuff to keep these homes going, you know. Not that they Not that you know >> that's like the oldest area there is back in there. Yeah, it is mostly on Sunset, I would say, and then we have the pink house over there by uh Crab Shack. I know that

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is old. Yes. And there's some maybe some other stuff back there, too. I don't know. That's what I'm wondering. Is it If it's cool, you see, is it going to be too much to start with? It very well could be. We only have 3 square miles, so we're we're only

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We only have 3 square We only have 3,000 So, if we have 3 50s and the very first three behind where Robert used to be, Barbecue used to be. That's the school used to be back there, too. So, I'm just wondering how this going to work. So, at the museum,

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that's what I'm saying. Yeah. Would have to know that it's got to be within the 3 mile. Yes. Yes, it has to be. Yes. Yes, and for you know, we don't have a map. I can send you a list of all the

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schools. And they actually Aaron Richey, I'm remembering correctly. I would think if we just have a map of the He owned the land. He sold it to the Pasco School Board and then ended up buying it back when In fact, I think they'll actually know um I know.

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what at the historical society. They have a very very broad idea of what is incorporated in Port Richey only, nothing else. trailers things Give them an overview of that map. Maybe leave it with them for a little bit. I could provide you with the

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street addresses, the street names within the city. You could take that to them. And then they could just determine, you know, it's to the best of their knowledge where the clusters are 1950s and before. And we may have to

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once we can back with this this later, but we may have to come back with this to 12. Narrow the field. Narrow the field that you have to qualify in some way that the building is aesthetically pleasing cuz it could be a 50's lean-to. You know what I mean? And we don't really

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>> And it has to be it has to still be standing. Yeah, it has to be standing, yeah. Okay. >> Um and we don't want to designate land. Yeah. Mhm? We don't want to designate land. >> If the land has some significance, it wouldn't be a bad thing to know that.

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And that would would be where you come in from the historic preservation. Uh or the West Pasco. They'd be able to tell you what land. And we have determinations to make when we come back, but all we need to know now is what is our inventory. Right. >> 1950's and before, yeah. Just what do we

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have? Right, what do we have? And so, what do what do you want us to do? Whatever you want to do. I mean, we we got to get through the inventory process. So, whatever you feel like you're best at. Like, I'm really good at, you know, online researching and stuff like that. So, we can break that up amongst the two of us.

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>> Okay. Uh Yeah, I like doing that. Yeah. Some of it doesn't go back far enough. I've noticed that. Like, my house doesn't go all the way back. Mine is 1944. Yeah, but I know when it was built. I have the original survey and everything for it. Mhm.

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So, it's like sometimes you can't find it all online. You have to go into the actual their actual records that are like here. Yeah. Okay. I actually heard that you over went to my house. >> records? Is that a two-person job or

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more? It's way more. There's I mean, when Sal and I set all that up for history and heritage day, there was just boxes and boxes. Well, maybe we could all take a chunk of that, too, then. I mean, I would like ideally, I would like to see that history and heritage

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day done once a year here where people can come in and we do a tour. I mean, I think that there's you know, there's been a lot of negative publicity towards the city. I think this is something that's very positive. It shows like the history of Port Richey, not all not all negative.

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It shows like the development from where it started to where it is now and actually how it's continuing to develop and you know, you wanting to make it a resilient city and how it was before. I mean, just to see the differences. I think that that That's just my opinion because I really enjoyed looking through

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all that stuff. As much work as it was, I was like, "Oh my gosh, look at this." Yeah, I mean, I loved it and all the old black and white pictures. I mean, there's old flats, there's there's all kinds of documentation. Even when um Is it all preserved somehow? I mean, like

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No, it's That's the other thing. It's not really organized. Oh, we got to get into that. >> Yeah, so there's quite a bit. There's quite a bit and there's even photo albums. There used to be a group called the Pipers, which was Pride in Port Richey.

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Phyllis Gray actually started that group forever ago. I mean, it was going on before Sal and I even knew each other. And they would go out and they would get donations and do little, you know, little events for the community and

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I mean, it was there's just old pictures of them and you know, all the little events that they used to do. I mean, and some of that was from like the 70s. So, it was it was really nice. How bizarre. >> Okay, we have a we we all can't be looking at the records at the same time. From what I understand from our old

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coastal reservation committee commission, whatever that was, they weren't allowed to go out and look at sites together. So, I don't imagine I imagine that transfers over to looking at the records that we wouldn't be able to have conversations about those records unless it's during a meeting. If

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we did do a meeting, we'd have to get clarification from Ashley if we did it during the you broke this into three if we don't come back cuz we're doing our inventory, it doesn't mean we're not working. We're just not meeting. We're working. Um you know, so if we want to put this our next meeting off 3 4 months,

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you could have a month, you could document inventory, tag your boxes, walk away. You come in next, you have a month, you could document inventory, follow her lead, what she's done, you know, take a look at her work, and try to mimic that with the boxes that you

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open, tag, inventory, mark your boxes. I don't touch those. I come in on month three or whatever. I do the same thing if you want to do that as well. You know, we could each have a month. And and you just do it when you can. I mean, there's no strict requirement that you

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can get through any certain amount of boxes. We could call and say, "Can we come in here if nobody's in here?" And that's what we did. We put the We set the tables up for the for the event, and then we just started pulling everything out. And then obviously just

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very neatly put it back, but it was not organized when when we pulled it out originally. It was just thrown in boxes. >> fragile? Some of it is, yes. And some of the stuff Sal did buy like plastic sleeves for that we did put some stuff in. Yes. There's a certain paper I know

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that the museum has on. I don't know. Our goal of this would actually be to find inventory in those documents and then treat them correctly as we're going through them. Maybe if we have the time to inventory what's in the boxes if there is no inventory, but the

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the main goal at the first go, you know, first pull of those records would be find inventory. Um so if you would set the the tone, if you would come in month one and then whoever comes in month two, take a look

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at what you know, have an inventory sheet or whatever you did and then the month two person mimics what Kim did. Month Month Same for three and same for four and we each have a month of those records and no obligation to get through

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massive amount just what you can. Right. You know. Yeah. With this does that help you any there? Look at the title. Absolutely, yes. Yeah. Yes. Can I take it? It's in my notebook so I've got to keep it. Can you just make >> take a picture of it. Yeah, take a

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picture. What is it? Um online resources and I'll still do this, too. I'll do online. Send it to me. I can't send this big book. I can't hardly carry. So we since we are in budget season right now, if we do get everything organized and

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decide we want to do a history and heritage day, do you think that we should propose to council a small budget for us to be able to fund maybe snacks and a bus tour if we do decide to get everything together? >> When would it be? When is history

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heritage? Whenever we determine We could yeah, we could make that determination. But you know that they're doing the budget right now so I think that maybe it'd be a good idea if we propose to council if we could have maybe like $2,000. Not that it wouldn't necessarily use all that but at least better to ask for it now while they're

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doing the budget right now and be like, "Hey, can we >> Well, $2,000 that's yeah, I think it I mean I can tell Dawn what we're considering but I think something like that being as far

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Obviously need at least four months to get through these records. Um and then we'll come back next time see what we got done. If we have If we have enough finished because you know, who knows how much we'll get done. Hopefully, we'll all dive in and enjoy

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it, but we'll see how that goes. And then, once we know how how far we progress through the documents, then we'll propose something to council for a date and a recommendation for the amount of money the budget that we need. Right. Because they If you think about it, the

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budget So, it would actually be for October. Would be cuz they're doing the budget right now for Yeah, but I mean, if we're talking $2,000, that's a Yeah. That that doesn't need to be included in our real budget hearings and stuff. I I don't believe it does. I mean,

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I'll mention it to Don, and if he See what he says, just to have a line item. Cuz like the events committee has like a line item for their We have a line item for our expenses, so >> Right. Maybe we can have a line item for the committee and then just a small little

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budget if he thinks that's needed for Heritage Day. I wonder if there is a line item for boards and committees, period, where they just allocate I can't recall from the last budget hearings if they allocate a certain amount of money towards boards and committees.

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Um but that's a possibility. But like I said, I'm thinking $2,000 is a discretionary spending amount, and we won't necessarily need to have it in the budget hearings. And I will talk to Don, but if you want to go ahead and by consent consensus

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tonight agree to that I discuss with Don the potential for having two thousand and twenty-five hundred and uh a budget line item for the historic committee for Heritage uh History and

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Heritage Day. History and Heritage Day. I motion for that. Do you want me to make a motion or Yeah, I want to make a motion for that I discuss the possibility of two thousand to twenty-five hundred for History and Heritage Day. I'll second that.

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Okay. And that covers our bases. Yes. Hi. >> [laughter] >> That just covers that base, I think. Can I ask when like I could get with Courtney and maybe your

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mom could even help us, but like the Sunshine Law and we brought this up trying to think which board it was. I think it was the New Port Richey press um >> [snorts]

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>> preservation board and it's like if you're working on a project and you're or anything. We brought that up and it was going we've never it never was

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um I guess voted on. We were discussing it. If that could be allowed if we are if we are working on a project and it's not something that we're voting on, we're just doing research.

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Is that an okay thing? No, I think we should Once we come down to who's going to do what, then we should make a motion that we all work on what we discussed. Can we do together? We cannot do it

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I have to ask. No, I have to get clarification from Ashley. I don't think so. We can't. We like we can't get together and go through the boxes together or you and I go to the West Pasco. We can't do those things. That's so discouraging for a for a committee like this. That's so

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limiting. I get it for the whole, yeah. For council, it makes sense, but for something like this, it's Right. It's just truly disappointing people trying to Right. trying to work together and can't do it. There was someone that was going to

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bring it up as far as since you're not voting on it what you're doing. You're working on a project why you can't like go to the museum and do research. So, there's no way we can ask that.

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>> of that. We already had our city attorney delve into that whole scenario with our coastal coastal resiliency committee and it couldn't be done. I mean, the the advice of counsel was they can't they

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can't go to sunset and look at the where the flooding occurs and try to come up with some solutions collaboratively as a team of you know, water people [snorts] with you know, knowledge about those things. They weren't able to do it and that's why the committee went

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inactive because they they really couldn't function under the limitations imposed by the state. Well, that's silly. That's right. I think that's it. Yeah, it can't get done. Right. So, what >> what jobs we have done so far you and I are going to

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>> You and I will split the page. I'm going to send you a message and I'll split it down the middle and you can take the upper or lower or whatever. >> I'll I'll just initial which part I'm going to do. >> Okay. You take the rest. And then going through the boxes, right? You can start and then let

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let us know when you're done and you could go next cuz I'm going to be gone for summer then I'll go next. Okay. And then whoever else would like to go. Okay. Cuz I'll be gone. Do you want to do that, too, Courtney? Would you like a month of the records? Sure. Don't Yeah. Okay. And then you're going to handle

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West Pasco? Yeah. And I think if you ask for a motion that we all attend to the Yeah. duties we agreed upon. Right. That's what I'm asking >> turning in inventory. >> that we all do our agreed upon duties.

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I think that's I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'll I can't make a motion. No, I'm asking for a motion. So, I've made a motion. And I make a motion for whatever you just said. >> [laughter] >> We all work upon our agreed-upon duties to >> I have a motion. Anybody second? I'll

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second. All those in favor? I. I. And then we need a motion to reconvene in 4 months. Yes. I'll make a motion I'll ask for a motion. I'll make a motion to reconvene in 4 months. Second.

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All those in favor? I. I. Let's pick an actual date. Right, that would be 4 months September. June, July, August, September. So, September 10th? That's what it would be because we're

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second Thursday. Can we do the week after only because we're planning the Mayor's Ball for the 11th? Oh, I'm afraid that Yeah, I'm afraid that I might be tied up on the 10th. >> Yeah, we can request it. So, if you'd request that or you, whoever does that part is

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requesting the next meeting date. Is that you? I don't know. Then we're all ordered the 17th because The 17th it would be September 17th. Oh, that's my birthday. Oh, nice. I'm September 1st. Oh, really?

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Does that make you a Virgo? Yes. Cool. I'm a Virgo. >> I knew I liked you. >> [laughter] >> I'm a Virgo. I'm a Virgo. You're a Virgo. I'm a Virgo. Look at that. We're all Virgos. What are you, Courtney? I'm a Sagittarius. I'm a Scorpio. Oh my gosh.

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Well, we're doing quite well so far. [snorts] >> [laughter] >> Was there anyone that is going to the Saturday We paid personally ourselves for the day was like I think 90 something so and driving down is like

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to St. Pete it's like >> [clears throat] >> Anyway, I do have this if anyone is interested. That was Ashley sent out Um Ashley sent that out it had

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um preservation as a state level and their conference is going on that started yesterday. We went today and said I'm not I feel like I would be over my head at this point. I appreciate it but

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at this point I think I would just be like I don't know what we're doing. Yeah, Ferg is Ferg is a place it's all downtown St. Pete near the Tropicana. Oh, it's beautiful down here. And um that's where they're going to

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meet at Ferg and it's kind of the hangout for the Rays games when somebody doesn't have a ticket they'll Right. Yeah. So it's pretty cool. We saw it today on the way home. Saw it and that's like it's neat and it was going strong.

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Okay. Do we have any old business? No. Do we have any new business? Okay. I need a motion to adjourn. Motion to adjourn. Second. All those in favor? Aye. Motion to adjourn.

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Could I borrow your pen for a second? What was the date? September 17th? >> 17th. So Ashley just sent