You want to council meeting Tuesday, October 14th, 2025. Father, we just thank you again for the wisdom and for the council here for the decisions and stuff that's coming up. We just ask you to bless us and help us to
look forward to growing this city and watching redevelopment and development and everything we need to do to be a place where we build and work and live and play and we get on the map with the waterfront and uh the boat arena and all
these things in Jesus name I pray. Amen. Amen. To the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
Madam cler, please. Mayor John Eric Hoover here. Vice Mayor Chris Mayer here. Councilman Robert Hubard here. Councilwoman Lisa Burke here. Councilwoman Christine Sullivan here. City Attorney Nancy Meyer here.
City Manager Andrew Butterfield here. Thank you. Okay. First up, we got a boatload of minutes to approve. So, uh, go down each one of them. Look for most to approve the July 29th, 2025 city council budget workshop minutes. So, move. Second. A motion second. Uh, all in favor say
discussion. All in favor signify by saying I. I. I. Opposed. Motion carries. Uh, need a motion for to approve the August 12th, 2025 city council meeting minutes. I make a motion to approve August 12th minutes. There. Okay. Motion a second. Any
further discussion? All in favor signify by saying I. I. Opposed? Motion carries. Uh, next up, I need a motion to approve the August 26, 2025 city council meeting minutes. Some moved. Second. Motion second. Any further discussion? All in favor signify by saying I. I.
Opposed. Motion carries. I need a motion to approve the September 18th, 2025 city council budget hearing minutes. So moved. Second. Motion second. Any further discussion? All in favor signify by saying I. I. Opposed. Motion carries. And finally,
any motion to approve the September 23rd, 2025 city council meeting minutes. So moved. Second. Motion second. Any further discussion? All in favor signify by saying I. I. Opposed. Motion carries. Next up is comments from the general public. I do
have one signed up. Linda Rodriguez. Welcome. I was going to read your writing. Linda Rodriguez, 5917 Lantern Court. I wrote it down so I didn't mess up. Um, I'm here tonight because after watching the last council meeting, I feel compelled to share my disappointment at
how a member of the audience, not a city resident any longer, was allowed to speak to a staff member and call for his termination without any respect to that staff member. The building official, Tony Brian, is the person our city has employed via contract to keep our citizens safe in our personal homes and
businesses. In my over 38 years of living here, I've had to use the city official business person from 38 years ago when I had a pool put in eight, nine, 10 times. I probably forgot some of them. Um, I never had any problem
with not one city official in the b in the building department doing that. To my knowledge, the only person legally allowed to interpret building codes is our building official. Mr. Bryan has the following licenses and certifications. Again, to my knowledge, no one else has
these qualifications. Um, I did print up his CV. He has a building code inspector board. He's the building code administrator. Standard inspector, building medical um, mechanical, plumbing, coastal one and two family.
Uh, family plans examiner, modular inspector, modular plans examiner, fire inspector one, fire inspector two, fire investigator one, uh, fire code specialist, mechanical code specialist, plumbing code specialist, building code
specialist, electrical inspector, commercial combination inspector, combination inspector, commercial electrical inspector, plumbing code official, certified fire code official, fire inspector 1, fire inspector 2, fire plans examiner, plumbing inspector,
housing code official, uh re residential combination inspector, mechanical code official, uh commercial plumbing inspector, mechanical plans examiner, coastal and flood p plane examiner, uh building inspector, plumbing plans examiner, building code official,
certified building official, mechanical inspector, building plans ex uh examiner, and ICACA property management and housing inspector. He's more than qualified to interpret our codes and keep our residents safe. And I don't think what
happened last time was appropriate. We need to have a building official that is competent. It seems like he is. If some people don't like what he says, there's a reason for it. And he is the only one that is allowed to interpret it. We can have opinions, but our
opinions don't count. He's the one that keeps us safe. So, I just want to thank him for keeping us safe and um thank you. Yeah, thank you, Linda. Um I a little bit to that just u what obviously when when Dave spoke um he gave his opinion
and and everybody has three minutes to express their opinions or whatever. Um the uh it really when you're addressing council, you should be addressing council, not individual staff members. So, very very very true statement. Um so, that was um a little unorthodox. Um it was it was a quick flippant phrase
and I think he went through some other things as well. Um you know that being said we should always try to when we do public comment make sure you address the council. Um what did happen later on in that were the where the altercation say altercation but u potential altercation that was totally out of line and I
didn't strike together was going to escort anybody out if that continued. That was definitely out of line. Obviously, public comment, there's going to be some some opinions up there that may or may not be liked again, but just everybody's entitled to them and um that's their that's their opportunity to express what they what they feel. So,
thanks for bringing that up, though. And and by all means, Tony, as you well stated, is is is very qualified individual. Um and I apologize that that that whole ordeal happened. It was unfortunate and we hope to not uh continue to have those type of things.
So, well said. Um that's the only signup I have. Anybody else like to speak? Okay. I'm going to ask because um so I have Tia Gorman here from the NO. She's NPO uh director director and she has an
update on the uh NO merger that uh we're looking into and she wanted to share the information. It was supposed to get on agenda. Unfortunately did not. So if I could um allow her limited time on on public comment just to go over that, would that be okay with council?
Yeah, we're great. that we don't have to mend. Jenna will just extend her public comment because it's kind of a presentation like that. So, perfect. Hello. Good afternoon. I was about to say good morning. We're not there anymore. So, uh before I I I came here today to
invite all of you to our principal workshop for our regional merger between Hillsboro, Pasco, and Penllis. But before I get there, I kind of just wanted to give an overview. I know um all of you don't sit on the no board. Um Mayor Hoover, he does. So I just want to
give a high level overview before I kind of jump into um our principles workshop that'll be happening on November 17th. So just some background as you all know we've been talking about this for what 40 some odd years. Pasco Penellis and Hillsborough NPO's merging. Uh it has
been a hot topic of choice and it came up again in early of 2024 by the legislation. they asked us to get together and do a study and then send our legislative updates by that December of 2024. That is what we did. Um within
that update, within that study, we told the legislature that we would have a consultant work with us um after we had turned in the study to actually like, you know, move through some details on what an actual regional MO merger would
look like between the three counties. And so that is where we currently um are our energies are directed to. We have a consultant group right now with the White House that is looking into like the regional governance of how our MO
would look. Our staff uh structure um you know just the operating procedures of a regional MO. Well, you probably ask why do you want a merged NO? What are the benefits? Well, if we merge right now, we're growing really fast. We're growing really rapidly in this area. I'm
sure some of you are native Pasconians and you've watched this area change dramatically. I moved to Pasco officially in 2019, but I kind of spent most of my uh adult life in the Tampa Bay area and I could say when I moved to Zephr Hills, I thought I was going to live with the cows forever and then
something happened and everybody moved in and now I can't get down Chansy Road. So, we definitely have a very strong uh population of growth. We know by 2035 we'll have almost a million people in uh residents in Pasco County. That is a lot
of people we have to move. So here at the MO, we're looking at how do we support this regional transportation. Also will be considered with having one voice going up to the legislators and to the state when it comes to looking at
that discretionary funding that we talk so much about in the transportation network community. Um, also we want to align with our mobility, our safety goals. These are all some of the pros of, you know, being a part of a merged NO. Well, what are some of the
drawbacks? We know we have to talk about local representation, the cities, how and what that looks like. Um, I know when we talked to our NO board, they wanted at least one city representative in this one of the seats rotating so that way the cities had representation.
There's also a million other ways to slice that. um to get MO the committee's representation, but that's just one way. There can be subcommittees, there could be weighted seats, but we'll move through that more as we go through the talks with our consultant. Um and of
course, you know, being a part of a regional NO, we're like, well, Pasco is the smallest. We're going to get slighted. Of course, there's consternations, but there's ways to work through that. So we are looking at all different facets of the merger as we come and we're going through this
process now with the consultant. Um currently we also have some peer workshops that we're working through. There's 411 NPOS in the entire in the entire United States. Florida has 27 of them. We of course we have the most of
them. So out of all the states 27 we have more NPOS than most. So hence probably why another merger, right, to kind of condense some of those NPOs. But the NPOS serve a very uh pivotal purpose which is getting that federal funding
down to our cities and our counties. So right now we're talking to we talked to River Cog in Connecticut. We talked to Hampton Rose MO in Virginia and Rio Grande NO in Texas. And why that FHWA peer support group was very important
was was at the ability for us to talk to another NPO that actually went through a merger and have those discussions with them which was really amazing and we're going to actually sit again on the 14th of November and actually have further discussion kind of get into the nitty-gritty and some of those more
complex conversations. We also have a trip planned to metroplan Orlando. If you guys have not heard um if you all have not heard um as city council members, we are going to metroplan to experience what a Florida merge no is
like. So that no covers Oyola Orange and Semino County and we are traveling there on October 27th to really see what balance board representation looks like. Um I know Gary Hutman is a colleague. uh we talk often through uh other forms of
the regional network we do outside of the Tampa Bay area, but it's also for the two boards to meet and have conversation as well. Um, and then we have, um, lastly, which I'll be inviting you to here, is our November 17th principal workshop where we want to have
all elected officials, stakeholders, um, city officials, staff come out and give their, um, you know, input on the regional merger and how you think it will help advance Port Richie and Pasco County. So, with that being said, we
have a lot going on with the NPOS's right now. Lots of regional work. Um, can I say if it's going to happen or not? Not at this moment, but we are looking and following through these processes to see if we can have a regional no. Thank you.
Questions, comments? Um just to let you guys know. So is it is it still 25 seats that they're proposing for the merge? Still 25. Uh right now we left it at 25 seats on a governing board. And and so the the the challenge is I
think Pasco's aortionment is four or five. Uh right now it's between three and four seats. Four. Okay. Four. Max. So you can see by merging Pasco's voice really diminishes. However, um there's there's um like she
she mentioned, the advantage is is you can compete for much larger pots of money um as a as a larger NO. And so um they and of course they've assured us that uh that won't hurt what Pasco gets, but that is a a concern obviously is because our representation will be
small. And then if you take the cities in Pasco, it's even even less, right? So um we've got to work through how that structure would best fit and if we decide to do that obviously. But uh it seems like that wouldn't three seats out all those
much. It's not much. Yeah. I think uh Hillsboro is the largest aortionment which Hillsboro is the largest portionment. Oh, I think they left off with uh was it five seats or six seats and I think Ford Pel had five.
Okay. Oh. Um yes. So they yes they would have the larger portion because their largest they have the largest city but keep in mind when we're talking about city representation there's many ways to represent the cities uh metrop plan who
has three counties they have subcommittees to represent the cities then the cities go to the board um we can do it where we have rotating seats um for each city in Pasco. So there's different ways to kind of do this. I
think the main idea is to focus on when they're look when the federal government's looking down and and looking at the distribution of discretionary grants, they're looking at, okay, what's the size of each of these NPOS? Right now, we're size next to the like a city or state in Arkansas.
You know, we're looking like cities in Arkansas, major cities. That's not kind of big enough for those discretionary pots. They're looking down and they're like, "Hey, we want to give it. Let's go over here and give it to Seattle or Boston." that was for merge together. That's how big we'll be. You know what I mean? And that's that's
the kind of area and the width and the population that you're seeking when we're looking at these federal funds. Our planning grant funds will not change um as it's allocated by population. But remember, we're getting ready to do our aortionment, which goes with each denial
census in 2030, and we're already in 2025. So, we're already on the race right now to do the aortionment and we'll be we're already at right now about 700,000. We'll be close to roughly about seven or even over that 800,000 people. So, that changes board
composition. So, there's a lot of different nuances to look at as we go through this. That's why I'm urging everyone to come to the principal workshop and have these discussions and really work out some of this because Panellis is in a a same boat. They have
what is I think 27 cities. So, you know, they're definitely feeling some of that uh pressure there when it comes to like how do we have city representation, especially city of St. Pete, Clearwater, Largo, those are some of their bigger cities, right? We're not even talking
about the smaller cities or the beach cities. So, it's definitely a lot to work through. Um, but we are up for the challenge. This is the farthest we've ever gotten. And I think it's history in the making at this point because we've always talked about a regional merger, but we've never we've never moved on it.
So, we're definitely learning as we go. We're trying not to make any critical or, you know, horrible mistakes, but we are working together the best that we can and how we know to. So, yeah. And so, also on the on the
even in our current structure, um, so there's a nine nine member board. Um, there's four cities. It's uh Newport Richie, Port Richie, Zephr Hills, Date City. So those four um individuals and we our vote is counts as one. The commissioners that sit on the board
five, their vote counts as two. So even if all the cities banded together and voted on something, that gives them four against the 10 with the current board. Unless it's just unless all the commissioners don't show up. Uh the cities don't really have a voice anyway.
We're on the board and we have a voice, but when it comes to voting power, Yeah. But it'd be even a bigger extreme and what's the guarantee that it's all gone to Hillsboro and all gone to Penllis and then Pasca gets us and and then to try to portion that out. It seems like it seems
like two cent. Yeah. It's it's it's a challenge. So it's like say we all the money going to Penllis or Hillsboro. Yeah. No. So with every MO the money is aortioned by the actual population and then we as the MO then
take our current governing documents by federal and then we merge them all together and make one projectization process, one long range transportation plan, one list of priority projects. So that's how we would merge it all together. So then the governance would
be coming from the board. So there can be allies, everybody can work, you know, separately, but that's kind of how it would go. So there there is that fairness piece. It can't just be one taking all of the pot because we have federally mandated regulations. That's
how the NPOS's function and then we pass by way through the state and then we come down to the local governments. So we essentially have three bosses every day. The NPO reports through too. It's a good time. And we've got a real uh project in here. I think number is
still number six on our unfunded list. Correct. The underpass. Underpass. So it's in rightway uh study now to see what we needed to acquire from rightaway. Um but that's something that the NO would potentially fund. Correct. And so you know we would look if we were
to merge what would be the quickest time frame you think after all I mean we still probably a couple years out from a merger right? Is that correct? It's supposed to be July 1st, 2027, but that's actually the actual vote. Um, then, you know, subsequently thereafter, it takes really a few years
to get everything kind of flushed through if we were to do that. Um, but it takes it takes quite a bit of time. But July 1st was what we told the legislation um that we were going to work within that time frame. So, it
didn't drag on and on like it's been for 40 some odd years. The decision has never been made. I think that's the problem. So now we're here to say at least we did the study. At least we did the work where we go from here. Okay, that that has to be on the the county commissioners and the NPO board, but at
least we can say we did everything in our absolute power to make sure we had the informed information for our elected officials and our stakeholders. Obviously encourage you all to to attend this and voice for sure. And obviously as I'm
involved in I'll voice that as well. 100%. I think so. And even if you wanted to write a letter or send some type of, you know, SOS bird, you know, you could send it to me and I'll take it on. I don't mind. Um, but of course, we encourage you to come and interact and
engage. So, all right. Any questions? Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, today's been a great job for us over. Appreciate you. I was not paid to say that either.
that that was true from my heart. Okay. Okay. No more public comment. Correct. And we got everybody good. Next up, comments from the city manager. Pass to Mr. Butterfield for his comments. Yes, sir. Uh thank you, Mr. Mayor. Council uh approved a budget for us. uh
we're two weeks into the new fiscal year today and we are taking it as gospel that uh it's a plan you want us to execute. So we are really off and running with uh putting out RFPs and RFQS and uh trying to get the get things
done during this fiscal year that you can see that the public will be able to see the results of. So um on top of that we are transition into ADP uh modernizing some of our finance systems. So, a lot of lot of stuff going on. Kind of a generational uh change in uh some
things that we uh we needed to modernize. So, we're taking uh the the mandate from the governor to Doge. Uh we're taking it very seriously and we're trying to execute the funds that have been appropriated by the council. So, thank you for that. Um on a personal note, I'm going to have to miss probably
the next two meetings. So, my apologies up front. Um just a reminder to the public that we because the federal holiday for Veterans Day is Tuesday, November 11th, we've moved council meeting that day to November 12th. Uh so for your calendars and then on the 11th
uh there's a a some local community group is having a Veterans Day appreciation and they're going to hold that at the firehouse. So since they know they catch the uh the firehouse open 247 whereas city hall will be closed. So, uh, I believe there will be donuts and I encourage people to come
say thanks to the firefighters. Somebody say donuts. I said it. Now I got to make sure we have donuts. Anyway, we've got a packed schedule, so I will stop now. But, uh, looking forward to, uh, getting a lot done tonight.
Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Next up is comments from boards, committees. I believe CAC's got an update. Is it Go ahead. You've got a Okay. So, Linda, in case you didn't see, Linda's been uh promoted, I guess, as
the new chair of the CAC. So, really back in the HUD seat. Congratulations. Thanks. Um, well, the one big thing is the we've been talking for a long time about the mural in Olner in Olner Park. Um, Cherokee was kind enough to do a sketch
for us, but as some of you maybe all of you know that she's moved out of state. We have the preliminary sketch of that. Um, after the meeting, I was contacted. We do have an artist that I am going to contact. I contacted him. We've been
playing phone tag or text tag, you know. Um, we're going to see how that goes. Um, but my main question is I'm going to make a really good assumption that y'all want to see what we come up with and approve that and add, delete. Correct. Okay. because
that was a question I think you guys agree that. Yeah, that's that that was one of the biggest questions. Were we just going to do it or we needed your approval? And and I kind of thought that that would be the best thing to do is get your approval. So, that will be coming to you. I'm going to take um the one that
Cherokee did. I'm going to try to do it in a bigger form to the best of my ability. Um and then I'll get that artist form and we'll kind of bring that in to you guys so you can all see that and we can add and delete and put it on that put it on that wall. Um Andy is kind enough to have that. It's already
pressure washed and painted. We might have to pressure wash by the time we get done with the as fast as mold grows. Yeah. Um but but with that we're moving forward with that project. Um we've got people that are going to donate paint. I know we have a budget for it as well. So
we'll keep you updated on that project. Um we're going to do a meet your neighbor. Again, we don't have the exact date and time. We'll get that out to you when we get the details. What else did I forget? Anything else, Christine? The Veterans Day. So things you you just mentioned that they mentioned that on on the 11th.
Yeah. Firehouse 8:30 8:30 to 11:30 I think right in coffee on the is the was the logo incorporated in that mural. Yes. Thank you. Um, we had talked about that and um, she had put the the this on
there and it was really looked nice. But as I'm looking at your rebranding and we talked about doing this and seeing if we could get something similar to what the size back there so that it's not painted like I don't know wood, metal, something
with with the city logo and put that in the middle. We could try to paint it too, but I don't I don't know how that good that would do. That's that will be the centerpiece whether it be this or the logo you all come up with for the rebranding. Um we're gonna we're going
to try to do that in the middle. Yeah. Always leave a placeholder if you get a paint or whatever and come back and do that for or we can do something cursory and then when we get something when you guys get something official and if you come up with something like metal or wood or something we can just stick it over it
as you know you know whatever you all want to do to it. But um that that that was kind of what we wanted to make the centerpiece is is the logo used piece of metal. That's what I was thinking, Chris. And put vinyl on it. Yeah. And you know, five years or seven years
from now, just pull the vinyl off, put another one on it, and that's what we do. We use vinyl all the time. It only has about a sevenyear shelf life. Is there a I know there's some history timeline stuff in there or I can't remember. I I wonder with with the logo, just an
idea if maybe we could put all our old logos along there too in that timeline smaller like that just to kind of capture that. I think for branding purposes, you probably don't want to drag in the old some of the things they thought of was um doing obviously doing a stilt house
which is all over um doing um like a Indian like a native Indian uh the shrimp boat. Um, what was some of the other things on I didn't bring it with me unfortunately. Um, just the palm tree. The pelican. Yeah, pelican. The palm tree. Dolphin or something.
We didn't know. I didn't do a totem pole. We didn't think about that. Oh, okay. I thought that were you referring to. Has printed out a whole bunch of um photos and given them to me so that we can try to see and I'll give them to the artist. Um, that's cool. To see if he can, you know, incorporate
that if he chooses to do it. If not, it'll be we'll figure it out. Somebody brought up about maybe painting house Johnny Cash on there kind of put pictures of him. We got pictures of him and Billy Graham put them in there
and the history of the still houses on a plaque in there and all that stuff. Absolutely. No, exciting project. Look forward to seeing that. So, so we'll get that to you. It's upcoming hopefully. Lori wanted to start painting next month, but that's not going to happen. It's just Yeah, we had the 15th and 16th and the 22nd, 23rd, but
it's not going to happen. It's too soon, unfortunately, because we want to do it right. We want to do it right the first time. We want to make sure it's it's nice. It's not thrown up there like crazy person. So, but any if you have any other suggestions, ideas, get it to Ash. You can get it to me. We'll try to incorporate it in there more than this
is a fluid project and it's not set in stone. We'd like to just make it really, really nice. That sounds good. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Any other boards committees? Um, they wouldn't there somebody new just got on? Yeah, Rob Kenworthy.
Yeah, I'm I'm going address that now. Actually, um, so I'll give you the uh um my board committee. So, obviously that committee meets Thursday, so we haven't met since last uh meeting, but um I sit on the the Tampa Bay um regional planning council.
Um and we had a meeting yesterday and just to let y'all know, so there was wasn't anything brought up that was pertaining to us um in in that meeting. Um however, the um the Tampa Bay Regional Resiliency Coalition Steering Committee meets directly after that. Um
and I was fortunate enough that Pete Alman, the chair, he recommended that I be appointed to that uh steering committee because there's there's two openings on that. And so that was appointed by the chair yesterday. So I'm actually on that committee as well. Um and there was uh something I think good
that was talked about there is there when they head their working group updates. One of the working groups is a resilient storm water and infrastructure. Uh Megan Blancher headed that up and there is actually a meeting tomorrow and I let Andy know to see if I think Derek is confirmed to be on that.
Hopefully Daryl can too. They're actually going to be um talking about the um uh the 48acre McDill 48 park it's called and they they they did a big thing in Tampa to uh storm water and drain a
pond. They created it. So it's it's a nice place to visit or whatever. And they're kind of going over that um and talking about how they accomplished that. I think it' be some good things that we could look at from our storm water to be able to do something like that. create a pond somewhere or whatever to help um prevent flooding or
whatnot. But this this sound like a good project that we should at least listen in on and I'm gonna try to join as well. But um anyway, that that's something that is going on tomorrow. So thought I'd bring that back. So I'll say Daryl was think he will commit to Derek Derek's been a long-standing member of that committee. He was already
scheduled and I haven't confirmed yet on my email. Okay. Daryl, well he could join too like I said, but it's uh I don't know if they're recorded or not, but obviously share that information. I think they do uh record pretty much everything they do. So, but try to get him on there live too. Okay. Uh and that's all I had for that.
Um Rob Kinworthy was at the CAC meeting and he's also submitted his interest in joining that committee. And so I'd like to go ahead and action him if uh you guys uh could pass a motion along to accept Robert Kenworthy to the CAC. Motion to approve Rob Kworthy to the CAC.
I'll second motion second. Any further discussion? Any public comment? See the vote. All in favor signify by saying I. I oppose. Motion carries. Um and there was a there was a change too on Seth resigned. I believe is that Seth Cap
resigned from committee. So now you're with Rob. You'll be five strong. Okay. And speaking of the devil, I didn't call you a devil, Rob. Let's do it again. Let's do it again. Uh just for Rob's edification, we have a motion on the floor to uh accept you as
the CAC committee and a second. All in favor signify by saying I. I opposed. So welcome to the gloves in the closet. Would you like to say a few words? I got donuts.
That's why we put you on. I've got donuts already dedicated for the veterans uh November 11th. So, they're homemade donuts and not storebought. So, these are going to be really good. You make them. I didn't know you were a donut man.
Yeah. So, we'll have at least four dozen donuts. I don't know about the coffee. Someone else is going to have to figure that one out. Uh I just want to thank you for accepting me there and I'm hoping, you know, we keep advancing the city the way it's going. I'm thrilled about it. I'm trying to maybe do it in a
positive manner. The negativity, you know, as you know, I don't like the negativity and there's too much of it. So, if if I could, you know, be a positive part of it and actually get out there and convince some of these people and I did talk to a few people. I'm surprised they're not here today, but maybe next time. You didn't tell them about the chairs, I
guess. No, that chair, which that chair's got to go. That's a squeaky chair right there. We found it out last week. Bob's chair. Squeaky. So, no, not that one. up here. That's why. Yeah, it might it might be. Yeah. So,
anyway, uh yeah, and thank you. I'll see what we can do. Hopefully, we can make something that we have to do slow and easy. Make sure, like you said, get it right, you know, get it right. I might even have someone to help with that park also. Awesome. So, we'll see. Thank you. Thank you for your service. Thank you very much.
Looking forward to your input. Thanks, Rob. He timed that on purpose. And that was that was impeccable timing. sitting out there waiting. Yeah. Um actually I'll bring it up now. My comments since it's a long line boards
committees and we have a acceptable amount of folks on the um historical preservation I believe. You Beth and is there a third? Yeah, we only have two. No, we have a
which is a quorum. Wait, I think because you have Yeah, that's right. We do have Kim. I can't run. So, we have three, which is the bare minimum we need to to meet. So, um I know that has there's been any meeting. So, if you guys could maybe try to get together and have a organizational meeting and
yeah, after after the submissions, which is on your next agenda um to realign the boards and committee members, I will be scheduling re Okay. readjustments for everybody. Oh, Beva. Is it Beva? Is that her name right? I think Beva Steven.
Yeah, Beva. She's actually very active in Newport Richie and she's excited about the committee as well and she about history. So, um I'd like to at least get her I'll be doing that as soon as council reorganizes everybody and
I think she probably could uh convince a couple more folks to those letters coming out, right? The letters. Yeah, the letters were already sent to all the boards and committees. I had given everybody a deadline and that agenda item will be on your next council to approve that list
of um everybody who's responded to me. Great. Cool. Okay. Next up committees. Okay. I just spoke to the volunteers. They're going to purchase the coffee and bagels
for you guys. Thank you. You need tables and stuff or you have a lot. I got all Okay, cool. Okay, next up is our consent agenda. Agenda item number two, 1014 25 consent agenda. Looking for motion discussion.
I do have some discussion. So, let me just start I guess. Um, so there was um there's okay, let's start with this. There's two floor league cities bond principal payments and it looks like one
of them was not budgeted appropriately for so if you could explain that. Yeah. So the we pay a $26,000 interest pay sorry yeah so we pay a $26,000 interest payment in April and then we
pay 130,000 plus some little admin fees in um in uh September. Um but this year um they the board convened and we pay two $26,000 interest payments now because of the way the um uh the way it
was the board you said. Yeah. So yeah. So we now we pay $26,000 in uh April and we also pay the principal plus the admin fees and then another $26,000 which I think is going to be a little lower next year. So yeah.
And what's that bond for? That's a utility bond that they took out several years ago. Um I think it was it started out about 3 million. It's now 1.6 and they actually converted into a it was a 2008 bond. It converted into a 2016 bond. So they they basically just
refinanced it several years ago and that's what we're paying on right now is the refinance portion of it. And and so this was new this year this Yes. double payment. Yes. Yeah. And it's because of the refinance. Well, I it was kind of like a balloon thing
that that went up. Um, so so going forward, we still going to have double? Yes, because I paid I paid the original 130 plus the admin fees and then they called me and was like, "Hey, you're $26,000 short." I don't see that in our schedule anywhere, but he did send me
some paperwork that says that it is due. So, every year now we're going to pay two interest payments about well about $52,000. So, yeah, an understanding. Where's the original note? So, we understand what we owe. Well, that's the thing. The original note doesn't say that. It says 56 thou
or 26,000 and it says 130,000, but they um sent me some paperwork, which I'll I'll um that we owe to the two interest payments. So, I pay interest payment plus the principal and the fees uh in September. I didn't do that last year. Um I followed the schedule that was in
our that was given to us. Um, but there's uh um but this year they said they sent me another invoice for 26,000. Sounds like you missed last year and they said, "Hey, you missed the last year. US this year's and last year's we paid we paid last year. You just got done tell me you didn't pay last year."
The second part I paid just I paid the 26 26, right? So I guess I'm trying to understand how how a bond we took out all refinance and all of a sudden our interest cost doubles. I don't doesn't make any sense. again. Last year it was paid before I got here and then I paid the $130,000
payment and then this year they said that we owed 26,000 in April and then 26,000 again in September. Um okay maybe there's just there's something's been lost in the explanation or something. Um can we look into that for sure? Um I'll send you what they sent me.
I'm I'm as perplexed as you. I've not heard about it. I I was perplexed too because it does it's not in our schedule of payments. Our schedule of payments is 26 in April and 26 or and then the principal payment of 130 plus the admin fee. Did our term change in that refinance?
Uh that that refinance was years ago. So So the refinance is not what triggered this. It just uh not that I can see but it's kind of like a balloon is what he was trying to explain to me. But it's again he sent me what it is. I didn't one time type of thing. Not but we didn't do that last year. I don't know if this is just a this year thing.
Yeah. We could um sh When's this due? I guess I would say it would also help if our auditor would finish our audit, but we have done everything except fly to New York and pound on their door. Yeah. If if we if we pull the additional interest payment off
the sent to Jennifer now, does that cause any issue? Uh it doesn't cause Well, we already paid it. We've already paid the grant. We had to. I mean, we're we're bound by the by their by our contract to pay it by that time. That's why I paid it. I held off on it.
So, again, it's a that's a $26,000 change that we didn't have any input into. Correct. Again, last year I followed the schedule. The $26,000 payment was made in April. In September, I made the $100,000. One of the problems was was
there was the $100,000 payment, if you go back, has never been budgeted for. So, it was never inside of our budget. we just made that payment without it. So last year I made that payment. I went to Matt and I said hey thisundund I think it was $136,000 last year. He said pay it you know because it wasn't budgeted. So we paid
it. I budgeted this year but I budgeted per the schedule which was 26,000 in interest and 130 plus the fees this year. But when I sent that over when I when I sent it over they called me back and said hey you give us another 26,000. And and that was when that was uh September last a couple
weeks ago. Okay. So this is cuz this is this is the second time that something's got paid on a consent agenda that we haven't provided consent for. Um obviously I don't want to make a habit of that if we have to um
and I don't know procedure-wise if if it gets to that that we should convene a special meeting to entertain that cost but as a consent agenda none should be paid until it goes through council. Well, every everything every sing is paid and there's a again there's a statute in there that says that I'm
required to pay it if it's due. So with that I mean that was due. We're we're bound they have a board that convenes every month and they they send us our things. So they're they're the ones convene and say hey you still owe us 26,000 and they send me the paperwork. It's not on my schedule. I paid it because we'd be in default if we if I
hadn't. So what if somebody could explain to me what the four purposes consent agenda is? Well, exactly. And someone made a did this several years ago and just passed the buck to us on it, too. I'm making notes on it to do some
research. We don't need any sense. I mean, I know the purpose of consent agenda is is regular reoccurring items that are just part of, you know, the electric bill and all these things or whatever that um we need to approve. we we approve, but you know, we we shouldn't have definitely shouldn't have
$26,000 surprises on there that um I mean, in in any company in America, nobody goes write these big checks without talking to the boss first. And at this point here, we've been entrusted to receive these things. There was never an opportunity. Well, the problem is the bosses change over the years and
No, but they're all sitting here. We could we not the people that made the deal. What's that? Not the people that made the deal. Well, Adam saying he doesn't he doesn't understand why it just popped out of nowhere. Is that right, Adam? That's correct. I mean, our city manager can only stroke a 10,000 or less check. My point with that is
is when Adam says he doesn't understand what happened and he's just like, I got to write a check for 26 grand, I don't want to let pressure on Adam. I want him to shift gears immediately to us and say, "Hey, I don't know what this is." Nancy will look into it and then we make a decision based on But Matt said go ahead and do it.
Well, that that was last year's payment. this this year's payment again, we would be a default. And again, our our contract and our our bond is based off of a a board. So, right now, we we are kind of in a what they call a minor default because we haven't had our uh
audit back yet. We go I go before them, I call them, I ask for an extension on that every year. This if you don't make your payment, you're there. We we have we have money set aside as a kind of like a deposit. They pull that deposit from us, which is a a a lot of money. So, I had to pay it or else we would be
in default and they would pull our deposit money. So, we're required to pay it. I mean, they sent me this paperwork on it. They sent me an invoice on it. So, we're required to pay it. If I had waited until today, we'd be in default and we'd lose any No, and by all means, I we need to pay our bills on time and we we don't cause
any more issues. But, just in general, obviously, we we want to try to have more notice in this so we can actually say, "Hey, Nancy, can you look at this?" So, um, we don't get a habit of I've been I've been researching it as well. Again, I I do know that there's a
there's two different things. There's still that 2008 there's a recurring payment from that that where we rolled it into something else um that we we dealt with when uh when we were working on the audit stuff. So, there it it could be a fluctuation from that. Again, I the thing they sent me is
like this thick. I haven't been able to go through it 100% myself. I was flipping through it to kind of see our schedule. The schedule is the schedule I have, which is where I budget the $26,000 and $130,000 principal payment. But again, this year, again, I made that payment. When he asked me for the $26,000 again, I showed him where I
wired the 26,000 in April, and he said, "No, you're required to send us another 26,000 for interest on the principle of it this time, too." And he sent me another invoice. And did you did you ask him why? I did. That's why he sent that book over and I have not yet looked at. I didn't want to be in default because it would
it would have ruined our building. Understood. Understood. Um well, so let's say there's some something hokey going on here that shouldn't be happening. Again, I I can't imagine that be the case. It's just very odd. It's probably it's probably just an explanation that we're we're not
understanding. I'm hoping the the high paper the stack of work paperwork explains something. That that being said, if we if we approve as is, does that bind us to Well, no. It's it's already been paid, right? So, you're you're you're approving what's been done. If there is some issue, let's just say we you look
through the paperwork and say, "We disagree. We shouldn't have paid this extra." They're not going to give it back. They're probably going to hold it and they'll apply it towards your next payment anyway, right? And that that would be the I would assume the result they would want. Um so, I think just approve it with the direction that we look into why
all of a sudden you have an additional payment. So, we have an understanding moving forward and if we don't think there's an additional payment, we will let you know that judge back with we don't we don't uh we don't by approving it the way it is. We're not basically agreeing to it. Just
if there's something with it, we'll we'll get our money back or we'll get some kind of credit. We'll work on that. And we are working on like I said, it's a it's a thing. I wasn't here when they re I wasn't here with that. All I have is the notes that was left by the consultants that were here before me on paying that. So, um, that's kind of
where I'm at, but I didn't want to go some default. So, I I went ahead and paid it and, you know, figured out. Yeah. We're just saying we see you spent that. Okay. You're you're approving what he's done and giving directions because that doesn't make sense. We want to understand why we had to do that.
Especially if it's got to be yearover-year because I'm assuming this isn't our we're $26,000 shy in our budget this year too, right? Going forward. Yeah. So, there's a there's a gap for next year. We'll figure it out. We'll we'll report back. Okay, good. I think they owe us a schedule of
whatever their schedule of payments is that they're working off of. They they owe us a copy. Well, what I have I go by the auditor has um you know, I I send that to the auditor and that's what they audit us on that part of it. And again, it's not uh it's not in there. So, like when I
budgeted last year, me and Matt talked about it and then we budgeted this year. It I went by the schedule. They say a payment. We're good. But if this is an overpayment, we'll we'll definitely get our money back. We'll fix it from there. Perfect. Um the other item I was curious
about was the red light. There's there's three payments on here, but yet the year-to- date doesn't change for any of them. So, I'm I'm assuming that those were all Yes. So, the year to date is this is prior. Yes, those are payments that were made.
Um and then I pulled the year to date on it. So, all those So, what you see is the year to date is after those payments have been made. So the remaining budget is after that's 143 all three of them. So that's after all three have been calculated. Correct. And it's weird to to do it that way because we pay it every week. So we pay
it on a weekly basis. So by the time I get it to you and we do those uh uh thing it it's uh it's always going to be like that. Okay. Okay. I questions I have any other questions?
I need a motion to approve. Okay, move there. Second, second. Now they're coming out of the woodwork, right? So, I'm going to give it to Christine. She was she was a tad bit ahead of me. Um, any public comment? Seeing none to put the vote. All in
favor signify by saying I. I. I. Opposed. Motion carries. Okay. Sometimes you got to have a little fun with your consent agenda. This is That's right. Next up is council business item number three, surplus of impounded vehicles. I'll pass that to
Mr. Butterfield for an introduction. Thanks, Mr. Mayor. Uh just a routine uh release of the vehicles and uh think she's got some data. I don't think we have the data yet on the last uh that council had requested results of our sales, but there's a lag. So, uh
hopefully next month we'll have uh have a report on that. But this is on the ones going out. We're working on trying to get several months worth of data rather than just one month because you could have like nothing but scooters one month and show major losses compared to good cars another month. So I'm trying to get back
to June and then um we didn't want to mess with finance because they're doing the budget and then doing his new payroll project. So it'll probably be around the first of the year when we'll be able to give you a good spreadsheet of numbers of what we're doing and how this impelling lot is doing.
You want to give us a like a three or four rolling month average? Is that what you're thinking? Yeah, I want to give you sort of almost the whole second part of the 2025. If I can get from June to December and then I'll give you a good month by month of what's going on and how much it's
costing us and how much we're making on it and all that. I don't want to create a whole another job for you. No, we don't. It just it's a lot of its finance though and I just don't I didn't want to burden them with everything else going on with the end of the fiscal year. Um so we're just kind of waiting till that all settles down on these ones that are way past the 90
days. I guess they weren't worked out I guess to I can't tell you before I got here but there's cars back there for years and I told her I want them all out of there by first of January. So you're trying to get back up and get everything smoothed
out so we can figure out where we're at and what we're doing here. We do this every every month. So I don't know why there's Well, I mean here you take five off and we get 10 on, you know, and then we got to starting start checks, don't they? I mail you a check for this stuff.
There should, but the checks don't go to the police department. They go to finance. So you're afraid to ask them for stuff that's going to them? No, we just I don't want to bother them when they're doing this payroll turnover and the budget that's going on. I mean, I would be happy with a
snapshot. Five vehicles that went out there. Here's what they brought. That's what we're trying to do. But I'm trying to go back from the five that we sent in June and then the eight we sent in July and then the eight we sent in August and have it like that for you so it's broken down so you can actually see
because like even on here with these scooters, we're going to take a loss on it. Nobody Nobody gets those from the auction. Nobody buys them from the auction. We end up owing money at the end of the day on these things. So you don't want to show me a losing game. Like
he's like, "Chris, we're trying to get one good one in there." I didn't know to make up for the $3,000 we lose every time we come out here and pick up these scooters. You're a pretty good dancer over there. I didn't know you could dance. Well, I mean, it is what it is. You're going to show Red. We got to figure out a better way to dispose of them.
We're looking at Yeah, we're in conversation about that. Yeah, we don't want to lose money on because I've been down this road before I've seen that, you know, and all of a sudden you're like spending more to dispose of somebody else's scooter, you know. So, so he'll get his six months of information and we might be bringing you some different alternatives. I'm agree.
Does Chris want to make a motion? Is there a motion? I'll make a motion uh the surplus 5 bill vehicles and be sent to the Royal Auction Group for auction. Okay, I got a I got a motion and a second. Any further discussion and public comment? See, put a vote. All in
favor signify by saying I. I opposed. Motion carries. Next up is item number four, Axon officer safety package year one. Pass it to Mr. Butterfield for introduction. Thanks, Mr. Mayor. The uh you heard about this earlier this summer while we were putting the budget together. It's a
transformational uh change for the police force. Uh and this is year one of a of a 10-year contract that uh chief uh let us do. Uh part of it is sole source. Part of it part of the equipment could
go with other companies but not work um uniformly with our the sole source products we needed. So um and it started off as I think you're going to do a leaprog chief, but you ended up negotiating better than the leap frog
prices. Uh uh so it's it's a great system that's going to do increase our efficiency uh in policing. And the first year budget is it's like 99,000 and some dollars just under$100,000.
And uh by having a 10-year commitment, there's upgrades to the equipment every couple of years and some new stuff. Over to you, Chief, if you want to. Yeah. By doing it that way, we know exactly how much it's going to cost every year rather than every year a cost comes up and we don't even know what
it's going to be. This locks us in so we know exactly what we're going to pay. And uh we were able to negotiate it down. The first year when they first gave it to me just for a one-year deal was almost 200,000. and I was able to negotiate over several months to get it down to 99,000. And then you can see
over 10 years it doesn't go up more than 35,000. Um, and we talked with the finance about that and where we going to get the extra money from in our $5 fund. So, um, it it is next level. It's going to be the best opportunity for the best
department to do technology-wise will be the front runners and Pasco for right now. Newport region getting ready to go to this probably after the first of the year. Um, and Zephr Hills and Date City have already signed contracts, but they haven't gotten their new equipment. So, this contract will also give us new equipment every two and a half years.
We'll get brand new body cams with all the latest and greatest toys and tricks on them. And then we'll also get new incar cameras every 5 years. Our incar cameras that we have now are at the end of life and we don't even have body cams. It also gives us brand new tasers. Um, the tasers we have now are also end
of life tasers. They don't even support them anymore. Um, so it brings us up to great on that. It gives us, which you'll love, is the Exxon AI portion for our report writing capabilities. And it actually looks at what you're watching on your body cam and tries to translate
what your report's going to say and almost writes your reports for you. And then all you have to do is go in there and fine-tune it and make sure it's correct to what it has. It also transcribes. So if I'm talking to somebody saying Spanish and I don't speak Spanish, I can push a button, it'll transcribe it for me right then and there. It'll tell me what they're
saying. Plus, it'll also tell them what I'm saying when I'm speaking in English. They'll hear it in Spanish and then it'll transcribe it into my report. So, I don't have to sit there and retype all that stuff and it'll save a tremendous amount of time. So, they won't be back there on the computers. They'll be out there in the streets fighting crime.
Going to save you money and manpower as well. Absolutely. And, you know, we'll be coming forward with you in a couple weeks about the t uh the uh drones. And this system integrates with these drones perfectly. And it could literally find if we launch the drone, it'll find where our body cams are. And it's such an
amazing product. It's it's crazy. Did the drone see any infrared stuff? Yes. Yes. So if you had somebody who was running from you that had robbed a bank or something, you you could literally chase with the drone, see them hiding in the woods. You could depending on the woods. Now,
if the woods are really thick, sometimes it's hard to get down there, but it all it will show us where the officer's at. You know, we could set up perimeter so we know where we have those woods to corned off to where they can't get out of that area, right? Or if an officer trips and falls and hurts himself, the drone can find
it. Yes. And the this system here is so state-of-the-art where, god forbid, one of my officers goes to an active asalent call and we run in because we don't wait for anybody else and they actually end up getting shot or killed, we can activate that body cam and see what's
going on so the next person doesn't run into the ambush also. Um, and that's one of the the biggest safety concerns with this officer safety package. Wow. Very, as I read, there's a lot of really cool technology stuff that built into this package. So, I was curious.
Um, it's like we came from Tarbon. Did Tarbon have the same system? No. Newport Richie, Pasco. Is this going to be like when we get it, US and Newport Richie will will probably be getting it after the first of the year because it's on their agenda in two weeks. um will be
state-of-the-art, but everybody else will catch up in the next two and a half years when they get their um their newer equipment because they've all signed 10-year contracts. Tarpon was on the same system we're on for our inc cars now. Um and they chose to stay with that with their body cams, which is Motorola,
and they just got hit with almost a half a million dollar increase in their cloud storage for that. Wow. And you know, I I gave them this and I showed them what it was and it's like, you know, that's where the big cost is with the cloud storage. This includes our cloud storage. Yes. It's unlimited data for the whole 10 years and they can't drag it up or they can't
charge more. And that's what happened with Pasco Sheriff's Office several years ago when they first started this system going back probably about 10 years. Um, after their three-year contract was up, their cost went through the roof by several million dollars for cloud storage. Um, so it's one of the biggest benefits I
see is to where we know exactly what we need to budget and how we're going to get there is through the budgeting process and we can find money other way. Yeah, I can tell you that cost can get What are What are the downsides, Chief? What do you look at as far as the downsides to us as the city
or to your officers? What are the downsides to this equipment? I wish I could tell you one, but I I tell you, I' I've looked through all this and I studying this system for years and trying to get
a system like this down south and we are working on it. the system that we get with this and our drones that we're pretty much getting almost practically for free, it it's second to none, I tell you. You listen to the radios now that we're on the county radio and they they
dispatch drones to everything almost and it's it's it's so crazy. They had a chase the other day on County Line Road and they're calling the sheriff's office in Hernando. They're dispatching drones to it and they got FHP, Hernando Sheriff's, Pasco Sheriff's all working together as one because they're all in these systems. So you don't need a helicopter in the
air anymore. You need a drone. We've already came up with the sheriff has has asked us all not to request helicopters anymore unless it's a pursuit going through different counties. Um because the drones are so much cheaper to operate, so much easier to operate and the operating costs are so little
compared to the helicopter fuel and the pilots and everything else. Everything you get everything in this package or some of these extras or do you get everything it says in this package? So you get everything that's on the quote there. There's some things we're not getting like the fuchsia system which is the real-time crime center. I
want to wait a couple years for that because I'm not ready to actually implement this. So I don't want to start paying for it now and we're not going to use it for a year or two. So once everybody gets trained and that cost is is really minimal. It's not that big of a cost anyway. But uh the rest of it is like I say the body cams, the tasers,
the incar cameras, the even the rating system it goes. Yes. So that's the things where you know some people get tied up with the new with the body cams and all a sudden we get into a pursuit and our the levels are high. The stress levels are high, the tunnel vision is really small and we
jump out of a car and start chasing somebody. Forget to turn our body cams on and then all of a sudden they're like, "Why didn't you turn your body cam on? You just beat them up and you did this and you did that." We have no proof because we got the camera there. With this system, when we turn our lights on our car, the body cam's going to go on. If we draw our gun, the body cam's going
to go on. If we draw our taser, the body cam is going to automatically go on. So, it's automatically recording those situations. If we forget to push the button and start, too. And there's something about up to 18 hours. If you forget to turn it on, you can actually go back and get that. Yes. So, it it it basically what it does, it's like a recording after the
fact. It's constantly recording, but it's not burning it into the system and uploading it to the cloud. So, god forbid something happens, we get into a chase and we don't turn it on and we get ambushed and we're down, we can always go back and and and watch the video after the fact even though it wasn't
actually on, but it'll eventually will erase over top of that after a certain amount of hours. You're just going to review that information. Are you going to be stuck at your desk doing that? No. So, that's the the good thing about Axon. And when down south, we actually had to hire a person to do these body cam reductions. With this software, it
comes with the AI software. the officers can actually redact it themselves. It's just a little bit more training. And when they're going through it, if you have a juvenile or somebody like that that you can't release their picture, they can click on that and it goes through the whole entire video. And then our records clerk will actually review it one last time before we hand it out
to somebody when they get it. So the officers be able to do their own through AI quickly and efficiently. You have to hire a new person. You're not going to be chained to your desk back there going through videos because video reviewing takes days. Yes. Because the if you have an hour video, it takes three hours to redact it
the old way because they'd have to watch it. They'd have to go back and redact it all and then watch it again to make sure it's all gone. So, you're wasting three hours of your time with the AI system. It'll go through it all, but you definitely need somebody to double check it just to make sure that the AI did what it's supposed to do. Um, but I I've never heard anything bad about the
system. I talked to uh the chief in Zephr Hills a lot and they love the system and it's working out great for them and they have the older equipment. They don't even have the newest equipment yet. Do you have the hardware back there in your system to integrate with this right now? No. So, what do we have to do now? We have to buy new computers for you.
Well, the the computers, no, because we're getting we already do have our new computers. You do? We just switched over from the sheriff's office to our own computers. Our IT specialist is actually working on that integrating that system right now. So, as soon as we get those computers out there, everything is ours.
Um, the computers and dispatch, everything is like right there for us, right? You already have what you need to make this work. Yes, we just just got the computers. The car is the office. I was just, you know, sometimes you buy something, you're like, "Yeah, we got everything but the main frame, you know,
million five like the phones, they don't give you the charger anymore. I got cable. Yeah, is is really good business. And we're just addressing the operation stuff. I haven't even addressed the training issues with it. Like now we get this new training system. It's virtual
reality where it just gives you so many different scenarios where you're in that virtual world and you're making decisions based on the officer and the trainers are sitting there watching them and we can see on the screen what they're seeing and how they're reacting whether the person's got a gun or a knife or they don't have any weapon at all. Eyeglass stuff
next level virtual reality stuff. And then we also get suits to where we can actually do I call it training at the speed of light where you know we put these suits on and we can actually deploy a taser on somebody or deploy simmunitions on a firearm or hit them with a baton or whatever we need to do to to raise that training level to make
sure our guys are ready for everything they come across in that world. Like he's writing a Christmas uh the letter to Santa Claus there or something. Does FDLE have a grant for this? No, they u they do have grants for a lot of things. Um, most of the time stuff like this is there's your downside.
There there are some grants out there you can get for parts of the body worn cameras but not the whole entire system. It's very hard to get a grant for the whole entire system. And usually when they do it's it's one of these bigger departments that have they're under degrees and they have problems and
they have issues with the Department of Justice. So, they want eyes on what's going on out there, such as, you know, some of the bigger agencies up north that don't have body cams and are accused. They have a lot of um lawsuits against them and things like that to where, you know, those are the places that they're going to try and get that
money to. One of the drones, we did get FDLE grants for those and Ashley's got it on the calendar for next council meeting. They'll there's a a a PowerPoint, a short PowerPoint and about a three-minute video that we want to see a drone in the parking lot. Can't we see one go up near and take off?
We'll uh little video action. We'll do video for you next time. Work on the demo. But yeah, once we have we can do a demonstration. That's what I was thinking. See how tough the mayor is. We should make here's a hard question.
Bring one to a town hall. It's budgeted. It's already budgeted. It's already budgeted. Adam's like what the question I did have. So is is it actually two questions? the cost we see here. There's no there's no gotcha, no
additional administrative costs or whatever personnel costs, whatever. We we're not accounting in here. This is no, this is it. And and like I say, when we talk about the soul source and non-soul source, this includes everything. We're talking about USB cables, the connection, stuff like that that you could go to Best Buy and pay
more for. But it's good to just get the bundle, get their stuff, and then it's covered under their warranty. If we don't get their stuff, then it's not covered under their warranty. I was going to point that out because, you know, I get nervous about the soul source and you're going to bid and doing all those things, right? But if you buy a cable from Best Buy, all of a sudden,
now you don't have a warranty. I mean, that's not really a wise choice to make. Obviously, you're send to help you get all this set up. They'll probably send a team of about five people because they have caser people, they have body cam people, they have incar, and they're also going to be installing our incar cameras for us, too, with this price. Um, so we don't
really have to pay anything extra for the install or the training. It truly is allin-one. Yes, and that's the way Axon tries to be and that's why they're the best of the best right now. It's one-stop shopping. Um, and like I say, we have their report writing system right now. Um, but this will also
integrate our evidence portion into the report writing system, which we don't have. So, our officers could literally when you're sitting at a car, take a picture of somebody's driver's license and it's automatically going to dispatch, they're working it, it's going into our report writing system. And if we take a picture of a written statement, it automatically goes into
our evidence vault. So, it's there. So when we go to court, we don't have to worry about a piece of paper that we have to bring back here, scanning and and all the other stuff. So they become your evidence vault. Their their their storage system becomes your evidence for our digital evidence. Yes. So like when my officers if I pull up one of my
officers reports right now and I want to watch a in-car video camera. Then I got to exit out of that system, go into another system and hopefully the system works and see the incar video camera. This I can click on the report. I can read the report, watch their body cam, see their incar camera, see a picture of
all the evidence that they're putting in evidence, and it's it's so much easier even for the state attorney when they're doing prosecution because they have all that in one area. All right, I got some big questions for you. Can you sit at home and watch your officers through their body cam? So, technically, yes. I think
if you're worried about if you're worried about not that not that I have any problem with your office, no, but if you want to see what's going on, what you know, they eat donuts down here. Are they doing speed radar stuff over here? you know, cuz your officers are We We technically could, but I think the union's going to probably step in and
not want to do that. But if we had something to where I thought somebody was doing something inappropriate, we could get and start doing an investigation to where they wouldn't even know. But right now, when we get them, if we do start logging into their cameras and like dispatch starts watching them live, they'll know it right away because it'll tell them that
somebody's watching him. Especially if you were in the bathroom or something, they wouldn't be able to see it, right? I got you. That's good. If they if they don't have bad option for you. No, you know, and that's another thing too is we do a lot of stuff here and I I increased our evaluation system. So now we do evaluations every quarter then
once a year and watching people's body cams. You could see how they interact with people making sure that they're deescalating the way they should rather than, you know, we get citizen complaints and now it's their word versus our word. And now we can say, you know, here's the video. Are you sure you want to file this complaint because you're the one saying all the stuff that
you said? I've seen the benefits to it. It's incredible time. We've been recording closings on car deals now for almost 20 years. Yeah. So, the cool thing about this too is the Fuchsia system when we start the real-time crime center here in the next couple years is people like say Walmart,
they could buy their own cameras. They're not the same cameras we have, but they can give us access to those cameras. So, we could be watching the person steal stuff if we wanted to and see them leave the store, watch the get the tag on their car with the license plate recognition readers. There's a a whole glet of things here that we have
the access to and this is pretty much the the beginning stages of the next level in crime fighting if you ask me. Um the other thing I had was um you mentioned that there was something you were delaying that there would be additional cost. That's not baked into
these increased costs we see here, right? No, that'll be a totally separate thing um and that'll come to you for your approval. It's more of a software type of thing than it is this is pretty much mostly hardware. Is it one time? Uh, no. That that's that's a yearly thing. That's why I don't want to pay for it now. How much is it a year roughly? Just
it just depends on how many licenses we get. You know, with those I don't think we need that many licenses, but it also gives us the access to where if you have cameras on the outside of your house, we can give you a device and you can give us access to your cameras on the outside of your house. So, if we're chasing somebody through people's yards, my real
time crime center could watch those people in those backyards. And then it also sends you an alert as a homeowner saying, "Hey, the police department logged into your cameras on such and such date in such and such time." Probably not. And same thing with like Walmart and the businesses. That's the the big thing
about the real-time crime center with this system. It all integrates perfectly. Very cool. I think I think this is a long time coming. That sounds like we're going to be cutting edge and that's that's exciting stuff. Make a motion. Okay. Motion to
motion to approve $99,929 and a 10-year contract for the uh accent system for city of police department. Any further discussion? One thing I have one further thing.
Since this is a 10-year contract, I'd like to just note that the range of the payments will be 99,92934 all the way up to 1349210 for a total of 1,267,547.93 over the course of the 10ear term. Yeah. No, it's uh it's it's
so the range year one is cheapest, right? Yeah. I just want to do it. I just see I see the benefits of and saving multitasking shortening the the amount of time they're spend doing reports all that and and safety safety you know last lawsuits
all that stuff. No, we got to prove here it is right here. Yeah. Know that I think it there'll be probably several instances where it's going to save money um because we're not going to we're not going to lose some. It's another reason we call him Batman. All the good stuff, all the goodies.
Okay. Any public comment? That clear? No. Okay. If not, I'll be right back for vote. All in favor signify by saying I. I. Opposed. Motion carries. I just want to add a demonstration of the the the the drone drones.
Next week or in two weeks, the next commission meeting, we're bringing the drones for you. Cool. I just want to know it's really exciting to to do this get get the equipment in the police hands this kind of technology know we spent a lot of money on fire and doing all kind of cool fire equipment so
this is good to you guys get a little that action as well and no fire department cannot have body cams just pointed with theelves hey we did get four dozen donuts though okay but anytime you need a body cam on site you just let chief know I'm sure there you go thank you on behalf of all the officers
I was going to ask One last thing. Are all the officers okay with body cams? Yes. They uh you know when I first got here and I told them get ready because it's coming because there's no way I'm going to be achieved without body cams. Um and there are some people that were a little nervous and then when I explained
to them the benefits and how good it is for us, they understand it all now. So no push back. None from my current officers. Understand, sir. All right, good stuff. Uh, next up, item number five, Florida Division of
Emergency Management, FDEM, Elevate Florida Programs Offer to the City of Port Richie to accept or reject ownership 5027 Wateride Drive. Pass it to Mr. Butterfield. Thanks, Mr. Mayor. This should sound familiar. Last meeting, we uh discussed this and realized we needed to try to go back and get a little more information
so you can make a good choice. I think it boiled down to do we want a empty piece of land that's never taxed again but we can't do much with it or do we want to uh turn down this offer and hopefully it'll revert to the market and uh somebody will build a house there again. Right now it's empty but it has a
swimming pool as I understand it. So there's no house yet on the property right now. I think it was taken down right? No. Oh it's still there. Okay. But it's severely damaged. Are they living in it? No it's uh it's severely damaged from the storms. Not to my knowledge.
I drove by there and I believe I saw activity, but last I knew is they were in there removing things, but that's last I knew. I mean, things would have changed. I don't know. I mean, I'm on Miller Bay and that is a
beautiful body of water and it has lots of potential. And for us to go in there and take this free property and sit there and look at it, cut the grass on it and weed it and all that stuff, that's a waste of revenue. So, I think we reject this completely.
I'll certainly make the motion to reject the offer. I'll second that. Motion a second to reject the offer. Any further discussion? Um, I'll just add that, you know, I'm in total agreement. Um I I really hate that it we we play a factor in that decision
for a homeowner resident that wants to to utilize that uh uh program in that fashion. Um and I again I don't think we know the the reasons why. Everybody has reasons behind that. But uh that's like I said that's very valuable property over there. I I wish they would elevate.
Um obviously there's costs and everybody has to make a choice. Um, I would think they could sell on open market and probably get at least what the government was willing to pay. So, I I I really in this vote I I hope that uh that everything works out good for them by or denying this because I hate to
stand away somebody's choice, but I don't think that's I don't think it's a good choice um given that particular property. So, um anything else? Right. Any public comment? Rob Rob Keworthy 5800 Queener Avenue. This
property is would would be donated to the city. So the the um the property is would be um basically given to the city so that the government the county I guess or FDM the federal government
through their program would buy them out of it and it be it property becomes restricted. you can no longer build on it and it it would uh come to us probably like a $10 transfer or something like I think the the one we've turned into community garden for it was another example of this and becomes the
city's property we could do certain things with but we couldn't do a whole lot with it knock it down the house made like a nice kayak launch there with a couple picnic tables in a little covered area right across Molner we already have it yeah there was a it's
I mean it's nice property yeah it is nice property we do have park over there already. Yeah. And like I said, it's a very viable property. It's, you know, I understand. So, nobody's going for that. Huh. That's my opinion. Rob, it's going to be a a multi-million
dollar home and the tax base is going to be it's going to be What happens with what happens with the property? The property will still go to the city. They'll resell it. They'll sell they they will resell it. So, so maybe put back on tax. Yeah. Something clearly was in there, too, just for the public's knowledge. So
by us rejecting this, it's not like the county will accept it and keep it for county purposes. It's the this program what they can do is they can try to put them in another program like elevation or something like that. Uh but the property would still remain a viable property somebody could buy and develop. So it won't be just sitting there doing
nothing. That's correct. Okay. Thank Thank you. Anybody else? Okay. See I put a vote. All in favor signify by saying I I opposed. Motion carries. Uh, next up is item number six,
extension of professional service contract for Mr. Mike Moore of the S Southern Group. I'll pass it Mr. Butterfield for deduction. Uh, yes, sir. Uh, Mike here and uh we uh the council approved into the budget a
uh pay raise, $6,000 pay raise from 36,000 to 42,000 annualized. 3500 a month. Yes. We go from 3,000 a month to 3500. So, we utilized the same contract at uh uh Palmetto at Palmetto last year that they they
extended their contract. So, we were able to piggy back him more. Next year, we might be able to do our own contract with them. But for now, this was an expeditious way of thanking him and uh for what he did this year and uh hoping he'll keep doing good stuff for
the city in the coming year. Yeah. Is that negotiable? Everything's negotiable. I I will say this that um that Mike's original uh ask of the city was 42,000 and we actually at the time found this other contract
that was cheaper and they honored that. Um and at at the time obviously there was no guarantee that anything was going to come of that. It's it's a you know there's there's a risk there that you pay a lobbyist and you don't get any funding. Um obviously we got a whole
lot poop pot full of funding. Um, so if I Yeah, I know. And so a good and so by all means, first year out the gate, I mean, he did a bangup job for us. And obviously there's there's a lot of things in factor in play, but um um I I
I I have no reservation of bumping it to what his original ask was for the firm, and they like I said, they're they're going to do a whole lot more work for us going forward. Um, I think he had like a 90-year payback based on what uh we're paying him and what he actually brought to the city. Um, obviously this would
take that down to some 80 something years probably. But uh anyway, I I think it's it's well warranted, well deserved. Um, and I think we can always negotiate something later if it doesn't continue to work out. I I I think we have a lot of opportunity here. I met
not only here in the city but also in DC when I was down there. him him and his staff invited us into his office, gave us 20 25 minutes of his time. Uh when he found out I was vice mayor here, he's like, "Chris, we were willing to do whatever you guys need. Let me know what you need." I came back and um and and and let the mayor know he's willing to
do to help us. So, I think having Mike here and and helping us here and also with Gus, I think we're good place. Yeah. No, Mike is worth his weight in gold and the firm as well. So, like I said, they have a lot of a lot of connections with uh with different legislators and I, you know, it's money
well spent. Like, so we'd always reevaluate. I think this is a this contract is three years with options for two renewal or No, we just did a two I have to look at. Okay. Motion to approve. Yeah. Okay. A motion to second. Any further discussion?
Second. Uh interesting. Um just for you see what it's renewed it for one more year and that's what we've done. I know we originally asking for different terms. So we just went it's just another year.
I think I think this one because we needed to piggy back. We needed something to piggy back on because you didn't wanted to, you know, go quickly. So I think it's just for the one more year. phone and next year make your own, you know, goid.
Okay, cool. That's even I guess somewhat better. It's just another year. So, we can always reevaluate it next year if it's not something's going to work out. So, I motion second. Any further comments? Any public comment? See, I put the vote on favor signify by saying I
opposed. Motion carries. Uh, next up is item number seven, discussion of city attorney services contract. I'll pass it to Mr. Butterfield for introduction. Uh, yes sir. Uh, the trust or am I saying it right? Daniel,
does it look Daniel? Daniels much harder than that, doesn't it? Daniel. Um, I believe so. the firm in the form mostly of uh of uh our good friend Nancy
has represented us for the last almost three years. I believe the contract current contract with the city expires at the end of January. So, it's a a good time to discuss renewal or other options. Okay. Thanks. I I'll uh I'll start. Um
obviously, I've I've worked with Nancy my entire time. So, I' I've got a long almost three year history with Nancy. And I um I can tell you that I've always um considered the cost of of the agreement, right? And there's, you know,
and and I've always wrestled with, you know, could we and I've got some numbers here. Let me share those. So, obviously, the the year she came on was a partial year. And so, we had uh Jim here that was really sound.
Um so all in we spent on if this is right 124 65284 for the year. Okay. And then then a full year with with with NY's firm in 2324 was 190 68261 and then and we budgeted uh looks like
160. So, we're 30,000 over um 2425. We as of right now we're 179630 uh and 15 cents. Um I believe we're probably going to be probably around the 190 range. Once there's no acrruel in this number, so when that comes in it's
going to be around there. We believe 170. So be about 20 over there. So but we're running about 190 uh all in over two years. Very very close. So, and I've always, you know, I've always, and nothing against Nancy. Nancy is great,
and I' I've told her this, and uh and um it's a it's a very tough decision to think about doing something else. Um but what I what I know is that there there's um obviously in the contract, they're asking for a rate change. Um, and I I
know and I can use my my uh instance as an example when I went through the recall that attorney was 350 375 3 and a/4 350 per hour depending on which thing was doing. Um, so you know we're at 210 now in another contract arrangement. We're
we're probably not going to find a cheaper rate than the 210 right now. Um, you know, could be surprised, but I I I highly doubt it. Things are costing more. So, I I really see that that's um not going to be the case. The other thing that we could look at obviously is
putting out for an actual in-house attorney. And again, when you we start talking about that, you're going to have a lot of bakedin cost above the salary. You're going to pay one a high salary, but you're also going to have benefits and all that. And so, you're probably going to be around that 190 range anyway
with benefits or whatever. Um there is somewhat of an advantage because it's it locks your cost in. So, it's not variable. you you know what you're spending out the gate for that year. Um you know if uh if I just call Nancy Moore in one year that's going to obviously fluctuate to to the higher
side whereas an in-house attorney wouldn't. Um but I don't think we're going to be saving any money by doing that. And I'm not sure we're going to find um um somebody either. You never know till you try. But where I'm going with this um is
I think what I would like to ask before we make any decision on that and again contracts till January. I would like to ask that um Nancy would go back and see if they would be willing to extend the contract at the current current rates as opposed
to up it to 235, keep it to 210 and everything else. and you know time frame obviously we could talk about but if they're willing to extend that you know maybe we could go two three more years I think this year was a three-year contract the first one I um so I would I
would like to go that route first just to see because after we in my mind after we go out and the data comes in and we realize whoa these rates are a lot higher and we're not seeing that then it it doesn't give us the ability to, you
know, to go back to that established three-year relationship that we have with our current provider. Um because at that point, they're going to know they came back, you know, much higher. Maybe they're not willing to to do that. So, I I think it would be prudent of us to um
You lost me on that last little Yeah. So, let me explain. Sorry about that. So, let's say that we go out and we get some numbers in and they're all 300 plus. And then for us to go back and say, you know, we'd like to keep the 210 or rate, they're going to be like, you
just saw this 300 something. Right now, we don't know. We don't know. Um I speculate that we're going to see that. So that's why I think I think it would behoove us to try to negotiate with um the firm to see if they're willing to extend the contract at the current rates
that we already have and not not of it. But did they not come at us? Well, that's they're asking. That's what they're asking. That doesn't mean that they won't take anything less. We have discussed this and I I have no problem going back to the firm and and explaining them what has been asked if that's what the the consensus is to do
and all we can do is see what their response. Yeah. And and what I would say is I I think our and I would impress upon Nancy to to let them know our intent is to go out and look. Um but we value the relationship that we've built and um
we'd really like to continue that relationship. uh if we can, but it's it's very taxing on our small city currently. Um we've we've we've been overbudget every year the contract saved the first year because it was a and actually was I
think it's over budget then too because it wasn't expected. Yeah, we were actually over budget 57,000 uh dollars that year. Um so we've been over budget,000. Yeah. Again, the gym was very, very cheap and we went I think you came in January.
Yeah. End of January. You're talking about the local person we had. Yeah. So that it really blew it out then because it was you know we we budgeted for Jim and we got her in January. So, um, but that being said, we've we've we've exceeded budget every year the
contract somewhat unsustainable, but depending on what you can, you know, what you can acquire to replace, you you may you may not be doing yourself any favors. Relationships are important to me. Um,
we've established relationship. I think that um Nancy does a great job for us. Um the firm itself is a great resource. Um and you get the whole firm and you get the whole firm with that. I mean we got Nancy, but we got our whole Yeah. And that's that's another thing
you need to understand. If we do in-house attorney, you know, you have some digital accessibility, your your costs are somewhat locked in with that particular attorney, but as soon as we have a a specialized need or whatever, he doesn't have necessarily that firm behind him that he can pass it along. And we and
those rates vary based on um the expertise, right? Whereas your firm it's like it's set that rate is that that's the rate. So you get the power of the firm at that rate. The only thing that extra is for the parallegal what is that? Yeah. Which is which in this sort of work there's very little parallegal work
but that is there but it's 95 an hour. I think it's current contracts 75 I think. I think it's I don't think we changed 95. There's really it's really just not much at all. It's a It's a $25 an hour change on the attorney, which is
most most of the the time. So, that would increase us, you know, somewhat significantly that additional time. I mean, not huge, but um I'd have to calculate the hours and see what that equates to, but it's not a small change. So, I I think I'd like to see us at
least pursue seeing if we would be able to talk that firm into keeping our same rates and going forward and preserving that relationship. and then based on what they come back with, make a decision. Don't we have another law firm that does our traffic cameras, John Maguire of
another firm? He's your He's your special magistrate. Mhm. He wouldn't he's the he's the court entity. He still represent He couldn't do the same thing. He would have to pick one or the other. And I don't I don't know what he does other than special magistrate work. He he may
he may be someone that's qualified, right? And and I I don't like changes either. Uh keep it at the same price would be great. I think it's our due diligent to see what else is available anyway for the citizens. And whether they're more or they're less don't mean we have to do that. It depends. But I
think we need to do our due diligence. Yeah. I just if we if we do that that might maybe it would maybe it won't. So I like Nancy. Nancy you've been doing a great job. Okay. This is not a personal conversation.
No, it's not. No. Trust me, I get right down to it. So, we're going to talk about business. I foresee us going through a growth spurt here, okay? Where we're going to need boots on the ground, people in place. I mean, we
know we hired Andy as a interim city manager, but what what about when we get a full-time city manager there and that person's like a general of war and he's looking for people around him to help him make decisions on the fly real quick like this here and she's 45 50 miles
away from here. You know what I mean? So, that's I'm just thinking it for us to to look at just to say, "Oh, no, we're good." And go on. I don't think we're thinking about the growth of our city and I don't think we're thinking about the need of of a future city manager that we may have who's sitting
here who really needs somebody there by his side to make decisions and make things happen. So I think it would be in our best interest to at least see what's out there. You know, it doesn't mean that we're I think we I think we'd be derel of duty not to, you know, and
she's done a fine job for us. You know, I just think that we would just like Bob said, I think we need to see what's out there and see what our options are because if not, then we they don't need us here. Our job is not to hire a a city attorney and a manager that will work together to bring our city what we consider to be in a whole different
place than where we are right now. You know, like we'll call it on the map, you know, actually with the place that people want to come to and hang out and all that stuff. We're going to need some hardcore muscle for that. And I don't know. I don't know. You don't know the firm has that?
Turn that beneicial. I I'm I'm talking about inhouse staff attorney right here. They've got an office in the building here that the city manager can walk across the hall and go sit down their office and and say, "Hey, I'm dealing with this. What do you think?" That's what I'm talking about.
Yeah. So, there there is definitely pluses to that 100%. Um, but is there the work for it? Right. You find that person and so and again the cost you're probably not going to save anything and it may but you're it's not about saving,
right? Okay. So long as we clarify that um the I'll talk about Newport Richie and their arrangement. So they have a full-time attorney if you will with the with Tim Driscoll and he is there Tuesday, Thursday. That's his office
hours. Monday, Wednesday, and Fridays he's not there. how they pay him a a set rate and I'm not sure what it is. I don't know if there's any benefits involved or whatever. Um, but he's he's their in-house attorney, but he's there. He's not there five days a week. Um, he's doing other things. Um,
and so I would and they're five times our size, too. And that works for them. So, yeah, we got things going on or whatever. And you talk about not being um, you know, right here. I mean, she's phone call away.
Phone call away. Very responsive. Um, jumps on a Zoom call. I mean, Andy, um, if you maybe talk a little bit about how that interaction with staff goes because obviously we we know the interaction, but maybe share how staff interacts with it with with NY's firm because
if we if we have a another firm, right, you're probably going to have a similar arrangement, right? Right. So, the only difference is if we actually find somebody to be in house at beer in house attorney. I I I you know I is a full-time person here. Maybe they retired to Florida.
They've had a great career. They got good they've got great references. They know how to get things done. They might be, you know, have a lot of runway left in their life. They want to do something. They want to come here and help us in our city. That's what I Yeah. And we can find that person. Yeah. I think they're out there. I like having a million.
I like having a firm. I like having a firm. Right? If if Nancy is not available and you could have an attorney who gets sick, goes on vacation, does this, does that, when that happens with Nancy, if she gets sick or she goes on vacation, we still have an attorney. Yeah,
I like that. I think it's I think it's gone smooth the last three years. Yeah. And there's there's also there's obviously anytime you have turnover and change city managers or otherwise council members there's there's a period of time it takes to learn the things and and and the legal aspects of the city
are the most important part of that and knowing the code and whatnot and of course Nancy has three years in of that knowledge and so she becomes more and more proficient over time if we translate that to an in-house attorney there's going to be some ramp up time and and again that work itself out in a
certain period of time. I I get the argument and I and I it's a struggle to to do that. I just, you know, knowing what I know, um I would, you know, I I think we should uh definitely make the ask first and
based on that ask, we can then decide we still want to go out. I don't I don't I'd hate to go out and then do the ask because at that point, the cat's out of the bank. There's no you there's there's less leverage there if that makes sense. That's our job.
Well, I'm not saying I know what you're saying, but it's our job. That's part of sitting in this chair, right? We got two jobs here. Yeah. Hire the attorney and hire the city manager, right? That's our job. And I I would say because there's kind of two different conversations if and I think you understand this. If the idea
is to go out for bid for an in-house attorney, that's you need to, you know, you need to say that and be specific in your request for proposals of what you're looking for and give that detail versus, you know, going out to bid just for any any attorney that might want to, you know, apply for it because that that would be two different
two different looks for the people that are responding. Christy in Timothy Driscoll's contract he contract initiated in 2016 and they should be on the eth amendment by now but they have seven published amendments
and his hourly rate he's he's no less than 16 hours per week but his hourly rate is 150 which has never changed over the course of the entire well that that's uh because they I think they test increased it last year. I
cannot see the 2025, but is it as of 2024 the change? It remained the same. Yeah, because he just got a raise, I think. So, it would be just this year that he got a raise and I can't I can't find that one, but he also has a cap of $11,000
per month. Um, so, okay, it says right here, at no time during the length of this agreement shall the total amount build by attorney in a calendar month exceed an amount of $11,000. Do we need to rein ourselves in and
create a cap um to where we, you know, you're saying you're two days a week. He's still he's still available to to work, right? He just can't fill past that left, right? I haven't I haven't read that. I know there are I've seen contracts where there have there's provisions like that,
but then if there's obviously a provision if you need your lawyer, you need your lawyer and he's going to get paid and it may be that he's that hourly rate's a different rate somewhere. And I haven't seen his maybe then it has to come to the consent agenda, something like that. I mean, I don't
know. We have to approve additional charges over $11,000 because that's just they're a lot larger than us and their legal fees. I mean, I don't know what they're actually paying versus what his contract reads, but if they were
sticking to this contract, they would be coming in at far less annually than we are for legal services for much larger city. So, just something to think about. Yeah, I I can I can ask and see what the all in for him is. Yeah, I would love to know. Yeah, I would too actually. It's uh
because they may there may be some benefits in there that are not right. I don't I don't know. Does it say in his contract about benefits? Um and there's probably things. No, it's very basic. Okay. So, there's probably things in there where he has to hire another attorney or whatever.
He has to attend the meetings. Uh all the proceeds. So, there's a list of things that he does. He provides administrative oversight, um, prompt responses to the city with the date stamping or other tracking, accountability purposes. I would like to see more of that. I would like to um get
a um with with the agenda. I would like to see status report just at all times just for accountability so that we know where all of our projects are tracking at all
times because sometimes I just don't know like I've I've heard I've listened to all of the meetings for years. So I know there's things out there but I don't know where we stand on them. So, I would just like to see when things come in, um, when they're done, um, when
they're expected to be done, you know, what the ask is. Um, and we should probably consider putting some kind of cap on it because we have to rein ourselves in sometimes. Some of it is our own our own policing. We can't
just have this open ask at all times for something that is this expensive. Yeah. you know, we have to, you know, is it a priority? We should discuss these things rather than everybody just being
able to run to her freely. Um, I know there along that there was when Matt's here, I don't know about now, that there was I think, you know, there was there was a lot of staff interaction directly with you without going through the city manager that
that maybe I know Matt seemed like Matt reigned that in a little bit. I don't I'm not saying there wasn't. don't have a specific memory of that being an issue. Um, but it could have been and I'll tell you when when Mac got here, it also transitioned into like a and and we continued that with a weekly
meeting. So staff also knew, you know, city manager is going to have that call on Friday with her and some of that stuff was filtered that way. So that may have come limited that, but I don't I don't have a specific memory of that, but that doesn't mean Yeah. And there's other obviously the travel cost has tried to has tried to
been mitigated as well as you know like we put planning and zoning on the same day as council now. So that's not a separate meeting. So there's there's certain things that have happened over time to try to keep that contained. But at the end of the day when you need attorney you need attorney and it's Yeah. But I mean I just I think there
should some kind of policy because you can't just have an open-ended attorney. I don't think because if so then our our expenses are far exceeding our neighboring cities and they're larger. They're much larger. So
we have to rein ourselves in and really come up with a procedure of can we I I think just something written where we have to follow some certain steps. Of course, in council meetings, then we direct for things to be done, but outside of that, I mean, I could call
her up five times a week, and I don't really think that I should be able to call her up as often as I want to because it's just a cost to the city. I mean, I try to really rein myself in. I have some things that I really need her for, but I don't just I don't just
call her and I don't open-endedly email with her or anything. I try to get it all organized. That's right. That's kind of the responsibility. I think we need to have some kind of policy where we, you know, rein ourselves in a little bit to keep our costs under control because we owe that to the public.
Sure. Audience. Oh, I'll go public comment. Go ahead. No, she has. Yeah, I had a So, we're talking about annexing. We're talking about acquiring property. You know, I mean, having attorneys got real
estate experience is vital at this point for us because none of us do. I mean, we're talking about the people on the staff in here don't have real estate experience. Why wouldn't we fish for somebody who does have real estate experience that can help us with the annexation, with buying property, the things that we're all talking about? Is that two different things?
Well, real estate attorney, they have your firm, right? So, we'd have to contract that out anyway. Real estate, it would depend on what it was. If you want contracts written, I think you mean the bigger picture of the negotiation. somebody real estate savvy person. That's all. You know, a lot of attorneys are real
estate savvy. You got to go specifically look for one savvy in that department. And really annexation is what you're talking about as far as making the city bigger and getting more taxation money in here. Then you're going to need somebody who's savvy in that department. Yeah. But isn't that two different attorneys?
No, it's not. So, what I mean most attorneys are going to specialize in something. Um, you're not going to have a a jack of all trades attorney. You may, but then you're not going to be really good at the things that most import 3,500 residents, right? 1200,
you know, we're going to hand attorney or woman, you know what I'm saying? That's inhouse here that is able to do multiple different things and they're going to grow with the city manager and they're going to help each other and support each other. Yeah. You know, and and that's all I'm thinking. I'm I'm not I'm not opposed to
going out and I don't want to be poo pooing on Nancy because I love Nancy. I really do. I just I'm trying to think what's the best thing for our city as we grow and for us just to kick the can down the road and and just say, "Well, let's just go what we got, ask her to work a little cheaper." I don't know if that's really us hitting the gas pedal. And we need to
hit the gas pedal. Well, this again, you're still making an assumption that that process comes out positive. So, why don't why don't we do this? This is my this is my thought. And do you have to poo it if you want? I don't care either way. I I am fully on
board. How many times have I mentioned it about going out and Yep. Because sure seemed like we could get somebody in here full-time for around that money. Know if you don't ask. Um that's right. However, I' I've come to understand
uh the relationship and cost and and all that. And so what I would suggest what why don't we at least find out before we do anything if they would keep with the same rates just and then we can look at Newport Richie in the meantime we can
see what their allin is and that way we know coming in yeah we if you guys extend with us X we'll keep it the same rate or maybe it's a hard no we this is our bottom offer take it or leave it and based on that answer and even if we hear that they'll May
they come back and say we're going to cut you a deal going to be 200 an hour instead of 210 what what they come back with this Nancy will advocate that um our position and what our intent is and then they come back with their last best and final for us so we know
then we go ahead and we get till January anyway then we can go out with that information that's that's already sent right and we can see what's out there and then we can prepare. I'm just I'm afraid if we don't do that first and
we compare and and then we find out, whoa, this is going to be way expensive and then all a sudden, well, if we rethought ours, we're going to go to 450 or then be 250. Well, so be it. We really don't have till January. We have to figure it out before January. You know, we have to have an attorney in place. Well, you guys go month to month after
that. Well, there's an option by January. Yeah, I was going to say there's an option we could do that. We within our agreement and would, you know, be agreed among us if if you went out to bid and you needed some some coverage time. I'm not going to say, you know, see you. We're going to we'll help with that transition. Um once we get there, and
that's why I I wanted this to come up now and not in December. If you want to go out, you want to you want to bid, you want to put the the word out there, um you need time to do that. You need time to look at your responses and make your decisions and interview, you know, interview people if you need to do that. If you want to do an in-house
um option you need time whomever is going to to put that together and figure out among you and we can start that today we can start that today what we need I mean I think responsibilitywise I think we need to put it out there that we're looking for a full-time in-house
attorney and I think we have the right as the people that's been entrusted to be here to do that and if we go if we go out there and say Nancy no we search everybody in the whole place and you're the absolute best deal for us then that's We've done our due diligence. If we don't do that, we haven't done our due diligence. We're coming up to a
contract renewal in January. We have months to do this. And maybe I'm not maybe I'm not being heard correctly here. I'm saying exactly four times what you said, but I don't agree with you. What don't you agree with? I think we got to go fishing right now. We got to go fishing and see if there's somebody else out there and and I agree. All I'm saying is
before we fish, we got to put together just get an answer from the firm if they'll keep the same rate so we know when we fish. Get a pick get a get the firm to respond to you. Get some dealers in the water. find out somebody. We don't have to go out there and hire a firm for $30,000 to hire a new attorney. Put an RFP out is what you put an RFP
out there that we're we're looking for a full-time inhouse. Something NY's not giving us right now. Yes. Not that we're ruling against Nancy. It's that we're looking for somebody who would be more involved in our day-to-day operations. Somebody that would be here on staff instead of like, okay, well, I'll look into that. No, I've already looked into
it. Here's the answer. Boom. And we're just we're going to get more traction faster. That's what I'm saying. We may not need a 40hour a week attorney. We may need a one. They come in here attorney. I mean, we may get away with 18 20 hours a week in a small city like this. Sandy.
Yeah. I mean, that that's something I I don't know. Everybody else knows that you've seen her billings, you know, how many hours she's putting. How many hours do you think are just in meetings? Oh, yeah. So, you're saying we need somebody 18 hours a week? I'm not. I'm not. No, but it said we
could maybe just need somebody for 18 hours with the thing. So then if we got four hours just in this meeting, we're going to need somebody for more than 18 hours a week, right? Could be 30 hours. Yeah. I mean, and it might it might be
18 hours. Here's your answer with the additional meetings. Think 40hour week 2,80 hours a year times 210 is 436,800. We came in 190. So you said 40 hours a week. 40 hours a week is 28 hours. You take
that times a bill 210. You're assuming that we're not going to be able to hire somebody for a salary. And you would not be paying them 210. No. All I'm saying is we have an attorney now that we're not listen. You sure can too. Yeah. Sure. I'll get back to you. We have attorney now that is putting in the
time that should tell us what we need. Do we need 40 hours a week? I'm just telling if we if we needed 40 hours a week, we would be seeing our bills at $436,800. That's what I'm saying. So, I'm saying the numbers show that we don't need a fulltime. Sure. Okay. Thank you. Yes. 19 hours a week about
part time. We already had made up our minds on what you were saying. We know what we don't need right now. If we want to get this city growing and get this thing really moving, I don't know that status quo right now is like, well, we don't need nobody else. We're doing just fine, but I don't think that's the case. I think I think we need to really hit the gas pedal here to get
on the math. So So it sounds like I'm hearing we don't even care if they're willing to do the same rate. We're moving forward. I completely did not just that we need to explore our options just for due diligence purposes. Can we can we can we do that and ask we can do that and ask well I don't
understand what I said I already said that. I said all the above. Yeah. Yeah. That's what we got elected for. All of it at the same time. I understand what's happening here. But yeah, I all at the same time. Okay. So, by consensus, yes.
Can we have Nancy go back to see if they're willing to keep the same rates? Yes. Or even better, if they're willing to do something same rates or better because our intent is to go forward and look for a move in the back office here. That's been discussed too. I'm sorry. I'm going to decline that offer. And so,
I appreciate the offer. And so she goes back into I'm sure she can have that relatively quickly by next council meeting. And then in the meantime, staff prepares the the city attorney uh inhouse announced an RFP. Wait a second. We we have to step back and
staff is going to need to find out by reviewing the billing statements how many hours because the RFP would need to state how many hours we're looking for, what that hourly rate would be. So, we're not necessarily looking to get a
full-time attorney or even attorney in-house. We're exploring our options of having an in-house attorney. That's just the possibility. Like the possibility. Yes. And putting the proposal out doesn't mean you have to do it. It just puts the information out there. This is what I'm look This is what we're looking for. You guys can make I'm saying to save time, they can start
working on that because that's our intent. Absolutely. And that's up up to Andy, too, if we decide to keep him. So, That sounded that sound. So, are we all on board there? Yes. Okay. So, Nancy, if you can go back, I will do my best
have them put a number of pants so we'll know what that discount. Yes. What that is and tell them that we said relationships are important, but our intent is if uh we probably don't go out and look for options, see what's out there. Options. So, we want to know what your option is involved in that. Understood. I will report back. Okay.
Any questions? S. Uh, so I just I I need a little more clarification. RFP, RFQ, however you want to do it, is usually a 30-day standard. So, do you want that prepared and put out while she's doing that or do you want to you want us to start
preparing it? I think we need to review that next council meeting and we make a decision. I think prepare it. We want to see what's going to go out, I think. Right. Absolutely. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. So, Chris, you're shaking your head over there. Do you not care? Just put it out. You don't
want to look at it. I thought we just talked about it. We're going to fish. We going to use the RFP needs to give the details of what you're looking for. We should have overight, what work scope of work. Okay. So, you're going to have them put together and next council meeting.
They'll bring back that and she'll have her answer and then we'll move from there. We could we could also explore We could also explore what our sister cities are doing. Yes. at the same time. So we can provide that information. We'll we'll confirm with Newport Richie what they're doing. Zephr Hills, Dade City, and
we get their online attorney call us and look at all I can I can work with the city manager and uh you know to uh to prepare the RFP. But like I said, um then I'll present we'll present that to council to review and with everything else at the next meeting.
We're going to have to factor in some things if I can. We're going to have to factor in some things besides a desk and a computer and retirement and life insurance, liability insurance and all that. The the things that make a law firm go the the West Law database, the
Nexus Lexus Library, all those sort of things. And and most people, as you said, mayor, aren't a jack of all trades. Uh the beauty of having a firm is that there's somebody who specializes this and that, and Nancy's been able to reach back to them. So, if you're hiring
an in-house lawyer, they either need to be able to handle everything or they're gonna have to sub out, too. So, it's just it's comparing apples and I'm not we're just doing the comparison because then we will be able to present the public with we did our homework. This is the best option.
Pros and cons of what we found. We won't know if we don't check. That's right. We're just I'm just saying we're going to try to brainstorm and capture those costs you might not think of at first. Makes sense. What's next? Lexus research research
was there's West Law and there's Lexus Nexus. Those the two main So that's where you go to get your facts. So when you come back, you didn't go to Google's AI and get the information which you told me you wouldn't do and I get I said I wouldn't do a project with AI. I do research with AI and then I do the
real research. It can help prompt you but I just today did one and guess what? It was wrong. So So anyway, I see it wrong all the time. So we're on the same page. But yeah, so that's what that's it's our way to to research the case law to find out. That's cool. And I don't know how much it cost, so I can't I can't help you.
Sounds like a fancy, but I'm sure I can find out. Okay, I'm getting ready to open public comment. They've been waiting very patiently. Um the uh before I do that, there's one one more thing. So just so you know in the in-house situation or whatever
a firm not necessarily Nancy but Nancy firm has that where they have some cities require office hours where they do that might be get another attorney or whatever but I don't know if that work for Nancy but another firm so you don't necessarily hire in-house attorney they
could be part of the firm as well so you might still have that synergy of the firm but have office hours too well knows how to do that and they can submit with or they can um comply with to the with the two different things. So that's why you
need to be clear what you need to be clear with what you're looking for. An in-house attorney would be an employee of I mean independent contractor I don't know how you set it up but they would work for the city. A firm wouldn't be in house. That would be a firm that you retain. Now having office
hours here, you know, let's let's say I had office hours. I would Tuesday and Thursday like Mr. Driscoll, you physically have the attorney here, but that wouldn't be your in-house attorney. Sure. Right. Okay. But I mean, the RFP could be adapted to
be either or that we are looking for either this or either that or have two different RFPs that go out at the same time so that we can get all the appropriate Yeah. Well, you're you're on call, right? Yeah. So, that's I mean on call even if they're in house, they can still be on
call. They can have their own firm. And some like to have those office hours here. was addressing the office hours. Well, then there'd be certain times that they could only use them like uh emergency. Usually the office hours doesn't mean you can't talk to the attorney outside
of those hours. That's just kind of the designated time for that attorney to be at city hall. So, you would know, okay, that he or she's there. I can stop by and ask these questions because I didn't want to call because we're paying that person to be there to do that. We have not done that in here because we try to
avoid the travel time. I I'm not against office hours. That's something ultimately is decided that people want. You just have to make it work with everybody's schedule. Um but I want to make sure that having office hours does it mean you're even office or availability to where
there's this segment of time they're definitely available. I mean, not necessarily here, but that they could be called or Zoomed or something like that remotely and be accessible to us for a designated amount of time. So,
there's all different kinds of ways that we can structure without paying the drive time to get here. Yeah, that's true. They're remote available. And I will say you have that every night accessible. You guys call me be working on a different city at some point or something like that. I'm saying
like they work for us remotely and like any company if they hire a remote a remote employee if they call them up during those hours you kind of better answer you know because if you don't regularly then you're not going to be a remote
employee anymore. So just another way to think of structuring we have like three options or at least and most of your work is remote actually I'm not saying you're you're not or you're doing anything wrong at all. I'm just saying if we are going to go with
an in-house um approach or we're even looking at that, we could look at it from a remote standpoint as well so that you don't have to be here. And that's very common right now because Okay. Anything else for I want public
comment? Public comment. Oh, come on. I apologize for the wait, but it's a very uh I know 5917 lantern court. I'm glad you're all sitting down for this because I agree with you, Eric.
Oh, I got to record now. Um, and I agree with him for many reasons. Going in-house to one attorney is a great idea when you're going to buy a house. TRA was recommended to us as a very
large, very reputable in Florida law firm for city business. Nancy is the one that sits here, but there is a stable of people behind Nancy that she has to support her. A stable of
people. And I'm sure I don't even know the amount of people that work in your office and that you consult with on a daily or weekly basis. And I think by using Tras and Nancy, maybe Nancy doesn't want to work with us, maybe we'll get Joe Blow that works in the office that wants to come, whatever. But
they have the resources that a single attorney does not have. I understand what you're saying by doing due diligence. I get it. But you're not doing due diligence if you keep changing the stable behind you. They don't know the history of what's gone on last week,
last month, last year, two years ago. They don't have that. Tras has that knowledge or another large law firm. So I I I really think um sticking with Tras to be able to use their large resources
behind them to support us. Legal is a very very important issue as you all know. I mean they can make or break you. They can cost us millions of dollars or they can save our butts and and having that stable behind us is very very important. So, um, encourage you to
continue to go with tr. Thank you. Thanks for Would you like another three minutes? I give my time. Do you? What do you have to say to me, young man? Thank you. Appreciate it. Rob. Wow. I want to know if that was for all
it was worth. Okay. You all right? No heart attack. Rob Keith 5800 Queen Avenue. I agree with her 100%. Really? I mean, she's been here three years. She pretty much knows how the city works. She knows everyone. Why? Let me give you a cheap example. I've been
seeing this girl for three years, but I went out there. I'm not looking for a new one. I said, "Nah, no good." I went back the old way. She said, "Nope, no more. I'm gone. You don't want me anymore." You got to give her a chance to negotiate first. Don't go out. Like you said, don't want to advertise because
that's they find out. Oh, yeah. You know, sure. Yeah. No, we're not gonna adjust our price because that it's only gonna be two weeks if that before we get a decision. Correct. What's the rush? Right. I agree with you 100%. Thanks, Rob. Wow. This is
emotional moment for I can't wait to go and tell my wife. I'm just wondering how long it's going to take to deflate that heavy. I'm sure right now. So, here comment. Danny, you don't want to tell me she approved my I I like I'm
good. All right. Thanks. All right. Um motion. Is this motion or is this a discussion? So we're good. Okay. I'll report back and I think S has So for clarification for our next council agenda
deadlines. I'm just trying to make sure we're we're bringing back an a proposed RFP. So Nancy has her stuff from what they're willing to do and then um and then uh you guys prepare something for us to look at and see you
know what we're going out for some information from other cities um just whatever you can give us around city attorney. Clear. Clear flood. Clear flood. They go that sound. They probably cuz they probably could
have told us probably. We can do that, right? Um, so we've got uh we've got obviously city manager contract and we've got nine o'clock looming in nine minutes. I know we got started late because it's CRA meeting. So I need a motion to extend
the meeting. Motion to extend the meeting. Motion to extend the meeting. I got Christine with the motion. You want to second it? And I'll second it. Okay. Any further discussion? Pass my bedtime. Don't laugh at me. Chris, any public comment? You guys are good because the chairs are
wonderful, aren't they? All right. Feel free. All in favor signify by saying I. I. Oppos. Motion carries. Okay. Okay, next up is item number eight, discussion of interim city manager contract. I'll pass that to our interim city manager for com.
Uh thanks Mr. Mayor. Uh it's been a pleasure and honor to serve with the good folks here and we looked at the calendar and realized the six-month contract was going to be coming up in about six or eight weeks. So I thought it would be good time to discuss what
the city wants to do. Okay. So, with that, I'll I'll start again. Um, obviously Andy is is here. He's uh he's learning things and he's he's coming at the end of his his time. I think our intent has always been is
we're going to find a permanent city manager. And I think we need to start that search. Um, and so we can we can see what's out there. Um, we can also wait and see if Annie wants to come back with a halfp price offer for us.
You're having a good night. He's on a roll. Just want to forward you the same opportunity we give to Nancy. So, um but the and I know we had three quotes from three vendors all around $230,000. Um what I what I think we should
probably do, my opinion is I know we got quite a few um respond to the interim advertisement and again those people that responded interim was for an interim position. So there was really a not there was there there's probably several candidates that were may have
been interested but since it wasn't a permanent they weren't going to allow go there for six months and hope right so um I think starting off let's attempt to save the $30,000 on a firm and see what we get for a short period of time and if
we get some good qualified candidates maybe interview them and we might be able to subvert that $30,000 fee and if we don't see good candidates come back from that then we can always invoke one of those firms to go out. Um, and in the meantime, obviously Andy's here. He's willing to stay as as long as necessary,
I believe. Um, that correct? I'm getting a deer in the headlight look. So, I don't know. Five years. Five years. No, I'm I'm I'm as interested in as anyone to see where this is going.
And and I will say work with Annie as well. My bed ready. coming home. Andy Andy is is is at least my perception of this Andy is uh is is really um excited about see if poor Richie even after if he doesn't stay or
whatever that I'm sure he's going to keep an eye on us and see what where things end up because we've got a lot of exciting stuff going on and I know he's he's uh there's a lot of future ribbon cutings that I'd like to go to. Right. And we will invite you back for sure. The things that are getting developed here. It's an exciting place to be right now and he and he really cares about the
city. um and he really cares about staff and he's he's really he's been a great interim uh you know it's it's it's a tough job extremely tough job and especially when you're coming in blind um not having some of that background and I know he's he stays at I drive by 9:00 at night his car is there um you
know so while he does go home on the weekends we actually probably somewhat fortunate because he's actually busting it well past 8 hour day here because you know his wife's not waiting for him to come home right so he's you know and you know He's he's working. So we we
actually get a little bonus out of Andy and we really appreciate that obviously hard work put in. I know it's I know it's mind task. So I mean that's kind of my thoughts on it. Let's let's put out for a permanent um city manager ourselves and see what we get and then
based on how that goes um decide whether there's some in that bunch that we want to entertain interview and if there's not then we next step would be to put out for a uh a firm to do more. Linda agrees with you on that.
About to find out I'm sure so how much longer I guess. Three minutes long for home. How long is Andy willing to stay? A year. Um Andy's obviously here for six months. I think he said that you would be willing to stay for a year for sure. A year.
Yes. So I think we've got we've got time. Like I said, he's and and what I would what I would say too as as we talk about the other side of this extending his contract to some degree. I mean, we could go monthto month. We could maybe go with three months or six months. I
think whatever we do, um, realistically, if we went out today with a firm, you're probably talking about a minimum of three months before we would actually have a candidate in place. Um, maybe even more. I think when we did mag it
it's going to take a little four or five was it's going to take if I hired if we hired a firm like right now you're you're you're probably at a minimum of six months between between the firm going out nationally searching then creating the short list and that
short list then coming to council then setting up in-person interviews and then you have to remember there's the contract negotiations that have to happen and then after that we have to determine when that person who you select would come down here. So, if they're coming from out of state, that's going to take month, month and a half to
set them, you know, set them up. Plus, you probably want to set up some acclamation time between between Andy and that new city manager. So, so that's what I'm saying is that, you know, moving forward, we have to look at this as even even if we put this position out locally, it's going to take quite a bit
of time for you to sit there and select the the the person that you want to do this job. So, I I think that the most important thing right now is to, you know, because his contract is is is pretty much up is to decide how long we want to extend that and then either if
we if we're going to if we're going to have it for another year, come back with this conversation again at a later time um you know, within this, you know, within that year or are we going to do it for six months and then within those within this new six months period, you know, put the position out. So, I think
that's what council needs to to to talk about and discuss and provide direction on. So, well, obviously the contract extension is a is something we're gonna have to discuss. I think we we need to to determine our approach first.
So, I'd like to hear I mean, I don't mind signing Andy to a one-year contract, but I'd like to see what Andy what be the best possible uh scenario for the city was coming from Andy since he's a professional. He's got the experience in that area. Well, before we
I I would I would like to see Andy come for a year too. That gives us time, right? If he if he if he wants to stay for another year, he's working hard. He's doing a lot. I'd like to see him stay for the year. It's gonna That would just ran it through. It's going to take months anyway. Not for another year before another six
months to take it to a year. A year. Yes. You say a year from now from with when a contract expires in November. November to November. Right. Right. So sounds like if you want to start looking now then a six month extension would cover us pretty really
well discussed. So it's that that's if we were to start right now my recommendation is that at least renew him for another six months if we're looking right now. If we're not six month renewal after that that's always there. Yeah.
If I got an idea if you want I'm sorry. if you want to wait six more months and then you know if you want to do a you do a contract with him for a year and then you know because we do have a lot of projects going on we have a lot of work that you know we're getting into right now um but you know four to six months
go by then we put that position out at his six month mark and then by the time he gets to a year then we've we'll we'll have a new position so that's the kind of decision that you guys would transition transition yeah like I said it's going to be transition time period and like I said it all depends on where
we're hiring from if we do hire a firm they're going to do a national search. If we do if we do local like in-house, you know, application, it'll probably just be be Florida and see what we can get with that. But, you know, it it would all depend on what we get. And then once again, we can get several applications and you may not like any of
them. So, then what do we do then? Then we'd have to go out back out again. So, there's it's a timely process however direction you guys want to go. So the most important thing is just how much time do you guys want to buy yourselves especially with the with the projects that and everything that we have going
on and then you know and then with the with the city manager search. So, I'm pass over here just a second. The uh the only thing I want to um mention is too the longer that contract if best case scenario, let's say we put it
out to bid, we find a real couple bang up candidates in a month and we want to bring them on, then you've got this long contract that you got to deal with where you pay them out or whatever works. So, um just keep that in mind. But in just that, it's not you're not going to get a bang up candidates in two months. By the time you go through,
you talk about the firm. I say if we put it out, I mean, we could have candidates within a month to look at or you could have nobody and then and then in this next uh few months, you've got all the holidays going through all kinds of things, all our projects, everything we're working on.
I mean, how fast does six months go? Fast. Six months is goes fast. I I'd like to make a motion that we extend it. I'm still talking for a year. I hear the motion. We can I started talking and everybody interrupted me.
Every single person interrupted me. If you can state your motion, I I'll I'm going to make a motion to extend Andy's contract for a year and then we can look into how we want to move for a year or for a year. For a whole year. Yes, for a year. Okay. I'll second that. Okay. Motion a second. Any further
discussion? Chris, I think Andy was his intent when he came here was to be the interim city manager. Andy's done a great job for us. Andy could probably hang out here for another year or two and that'd be fine, too. But
I think it's our due diligence to at least see what's out there. Well, we're going to and but here we can do that and still be straightforward and and and and and transparent and helpful to Andy by doing a threemonth with a threemonth and instead of locking into a
whole year. Why would Andy stay here for three months? He knows he's out in three months. He's going to be looking. He might be out in three months. months. We haven't said that. But just we're not locking ourselves in to I think locking yourself into a year right now. When he came in as an interim city manager,
I know, but if you're telling him you're here for three months, what's he what's he doing tomorrow? I didn't say he was here. He's out looking for something else tomorrow. What about six months? Just six months and six months and and we can't get everything. We can't get it. If you want to do it, right? And we can renew it in six months. Well, the first contract is six months.
can't we aren't going to get every we aren't going to get it done in six months. But then we just extend it for another six months and but if we did get it done then we don't need fair until we're done deciding. How's that? Because you got to give them a time frame. That's not fair.
We we could do six months and then we could renew it for three months if we did have somebody or was six months. So I I have a problem with a year not because I don't I don't know we maybe Annie's here in right and I don't think Annie's necessarily going to go anywhere. Um, that's too long though. If we do find somebody, you can't be locked
in for and have to pay him out another seven, eight months a contract because we found somebody. So, I think it's, you know, at a max, my standpoint would be six months. And we can always as we tell you, I this from my experience, which is very minimal, but we start looking now and we start looking at
people in a month or two. He's going to be here for six to nine months. Okay. If we start doing so, find the right person. In my experience when we did it last time the firm we uh was it June or July? I think we started and Matt was here November 1st.
So four months in I can't remember exactly I'm trying to find the date started. That's fairly accurate. So really if we started a year and a half unless we don't find candidates you're
going to have some good till November right now. Is that right? Through November. That's right. I think I think it's the last day November. Okay. So, we're basically December one, January, February, March. That puts us four months. If we do a three-month with a three-month renewal with a three-month
renewal, there's nothing wrong with He came here as a partner. We didn't hire him as a full-time. He didn't come here for three months. He came here for city manager, right? He came for six. Who's coming for three? I didn't come for three. Say no, Andy. I uh Any other comments? Do you have any
comments you want to? Uh I think six month renewal sounds like you'll you'll have somebody great within six months. So that sounds fair to a good balance. Three months I've got to put my resume out tomorrow which I haven't looked anywhere. I'm focused
totally on here. But to be fair, three to six months I need to start hanging my hanging my resume out again. Yes. And I I could make a case for the six months um just the fact that the more time that we have overlap if we did have somebody the better. I mean there's
plenty of work to do. So but staying at three or six months he's looking what month contract compromise do I did is that what you said is trying to be real is it? Yeah. Yes, sir. But uh I mean it's you just you got I got to start thinking
what's next. Six months isn't that long enough. I mean, if it's three months, I mean, it takes a while to to get hired. So, I would I have to start immediately. Six months. I think I wait till after the holidays and then I can, you know, start. Well, so are you are you saying six
months is a is a good I I can't dictate to you all, but we're trying to we're trying to get how you feel about it. Six months sounds very fair. Three months sounds pretty rush. I'd be good with six months. Would you be happier with a year? No, I don't want I don't nine months. I I I want to be what I can be for the
city while I'm here. And you've been that since you've been here, Andy. We love you for it. Thank you so much. I mean, it's great. I mean it. It's a great place to be for me uh at this point in my life. It's it's just been professionally rewarding and personally met some great people. Uh but I can I'm kind of reading the tea leaves and I'm
thinking six months seems fair for the city to get ready to move on to their next permanent guy. That seems fair to me to get through the holidays and not have to worry about job hunting until you know. So, so that being said, I got a motion on the floor for a year and a second. Do
you guys want to move forward with a vote or do you want to amend your motion? I still think it's going to take a while. I if if if he's happy to go with six months then six months with the monthtomonth because I still think it's going to take longer than that. And
let's say when we get two months outside that six months that we can keep right back here again. We can take our time. Make sure we get the right guy that's going to stay here. And that may take more than six months. Maybe not. But yeah, we can extend it. Six months. You okay? I am. I just I think I think he's done
well. I think I know he's working. He's working on so many projects and I I think he's done a good job and I certainly don't want to rush him after all that he's done for us. I don't want to rush him either, but what I do want us to think about is we have a couple jobs here.
I want us to make sure we got the right lawyer. I make sure we have the right city manager. And Andy has been more than a great interim city manager for us. He's been awesome. He's staff loves him. We need enough time to find I think I think we just came to have six months with the month.
I'll put it to a vote if you want. I just need to know if if you if you She's okay with it. And was okay with it. She just said it. Well, I need I need amend the motion to six months if you're gonna do that or do you have Well, you can put a vote if you want. Vote to a vote.
Okay. Is there any public comment? Let's see what happens. If I um my comment is about whether you go just local. You guys put it out or put
it out to the firm. What was I forgot what what did what was the firm how much was that 30,000 30 they were all all three a little different but they were all something 30 maybe a little higher between 30 and 40 okay I think that's that is the
the center of the wheel that job that is the center of the wheel if that center is weak we are in deep trouble um when we went with um Matt and we went with the firm they
nationally and they pre- interview them and they do all the background searches. So, they cut a lot of people out of that before it even gets to you guys. If you go if you just put it out that you're putting all that work onto the staff that is not really
they don't do that for a living. They don't do all that background search, all the all the legal criminal background, all all that stuff. That is such an important job. And I know we've changed city managers, you know, every two years
or so. You want to keep them longer and I think you're doing the city a disservice by just going putting it out yourselves and not going with the firm. That's my opinion. I think we need to go nationally. Maybe somebody from California, Oregon, Illinois, Texas,
Alaska, who the heck knows that will fit our city perfectly. But if you just put it out around here or put it out in a national thing, not everybody sees that. We did that last time and there was a lot of unqualified people came out. I agree. A lot of qualified people came out, but a lot of unqualified people applied and
didn't get through. You know, they they do a really good job. So, whatever company you we use, you choose to use a company, they they will do all that basic and then you will get the cream of the crop. You won't have to go through all the muck. You'll get the cream of the crop
and you'll be able to choose from the cream of the crop. That is the position. You guys all change every 3 years. You know that. I changed after 3 years. Who knows who will be here. That position should stay longer and that is what's going to keep all the projects that you want to keep running. That position is
the one that's going to keep it running and we need to have the best of the best and we need to do that and I think a national search would be best for the city. Thank you. Anyone else? Rob Rob camera 5800 Queen revenue just kind of go put a period on that. Andy says
six months I should be six months. I mean is there a monthto-month option? Is that what I heard? Also what he said. Yes, sir. So I mean that'd be perfect. He doesn't want to be here a year. He only was only hired for six months and put the national search out now. Yeah. Six months. Put your search out now. Should be should be plenty of time. S
was sitting there almost six months I think. So right. My thought. Thanks, Rob. Anybody else? Only one more. Oh, okay. Um, with that, so the motion on the table we're going to vote on is uh is for contract extension for uh a
year. Um, which would take it out to November of 26. Right. November. Yeah. I thought they were amending that. No, it's that they want to vote. Okay. Um, so just so we clear on the vote and I'm going to do a roll call vote on
that. Councilman Sullivan, what is your vote? Nay. Councilwoman Lisa, what is your vote? Yay. Councilman Robert Hubard, what is your vote? Yay. Vice Mayor Chris Mayer, what is your vote?
Nay. Mayor Hoover, your vote. Nay. That motion dies. So entertainment the motion. can make a motion we extend and contract for six months with month-to-month after. Okay, second. Motion second. Any further discussion?
Who seconded? I'm sorry. Christine, any public comment? She does. Sorry. And I'm on Zoom. I can't hear you. Okay. And so I'll say the terms of which this is just the agree on a time frame. This motion then we'll have to dig a
little deeper into that for any terms or whatever. The vote is for six months. Contract six months month to month. Um put vote and do a roll call vote in as well. Councilwoman Sullivan, what is your vote? Yay. Councilman Burke, what is your vote?
Yay. Councilman Hubard, what is your vote? Yay. Vice Mayor Mayor, your vote. Yay. Mayor Huber, your vote. Yeah, that motion carries unanimously. Okay. Um so that's the extensions out of the way. Is there on that contract do we
need to probably next meeting we would probably negotiate that contract? Um you you could in the past we have also um council has appointed a council person to be appoint um at that point incoming city manager. Um, so you could do that and then that
council person to come back to you and report back or you can do it live and in person next meeting and if Andy's ready to discuss it. Yeah, I know we've done that pass and when we did Andy, we actually did it all together in public. Everybody kind of
had input into it. I'm okay with either way. I did kind of like that that everybody was here to talk about that. You guys want to do that again? just set up for the next meeting to to discuss that contract or do you want I'll personally be out for medical? Oh, that's right. Um
uh are you ready to talk about it now? I like to wait till I come back if we could. Well, you I'm happy to wait. Well, you know, it's going to be six months and obviously is wait to get back. Does it work? I'm happy to wait till I Okay. Well, drops out also. So, wait
till he gets back as well. Yeah. We'll just wait till everybody can be here and we'll talk about it and we won't go past November. I guess when my computer has died when does November 28th. November 25th. Okay. Then there's time. You said the 25th. I thought it 28th,
but whatever it is. I'll be back. We'll be back for the second council meeting of October 21st. Uh I hope I hope to be back by the 12th, but uh November 18th. Prepared to drive yet. So, but I'll definitely be here for the 18th. So if
we November November 12th November 25th 25th, huh? November 4th and 18th. No, that's the second meeting. Second and fourth.
Oh, you're right. 11th and 25th. Oh, 12th and 25th. 12th. Oh, okay. 12th and 25th. 12th and 25th. Thank you. Well, that's a funny month. I'm fair to drive on the 10th. I can be here for the 12th. I'll come pick you up. Thank you. So, so, so we could do it on the 12th
and that would give us enough. Your contract goes till the 28th. I think I won't be back till 28th. It is when he won't be here. I won't be here till the 25th. Um, we can reook at my remote. You won't be remote or
I guess I could. I'd rather be here, but will you be here for the first December one? Can we do it after that or no? Well, we have we have to extend month to month. It would be better to get get it done before then. Okay. So, it's done. Well, the 25th is
Yeah. I mean, you did it in like 10 hired. I think the 25th as long as we can all be here. You got draft it and we got to sign it and everything because we have the the draft of what he used last time. We just need to plug in the whatever terms or decide it and we can do it. We did it quickly last time. Dramatically different.
Yeah. Okay. Well, depends on what you're doing. Plus, you're going to give him a big deal. Think about that big deal. Okay. Take a lot of time off. So, I wasn't here last time when you guys negotiated this contract. You weren't?
No, I was zooming and I was yelling shut up and no one listened to me. So, I want you this time. 25th. I'm good with that. Okay. So, we'll negotiate the the the terms of that if any on 25th question. 25th. 25th.
Thank you, Andy. Thank you. Appreciate you, buddy. Now, the other the other side of of this is um preparing to go to a search firm or in-house for a short period of time to
see what's y'all's thoughts on that firm. Here's here's what I think. I think we have the time. Okay. So I think for a short period we we and and local is not local anymore. It's just like saying oh your phone's on your wall. No it's not.
Everybody gets the message when you put it out there in advertising. I think we don't we don't spend the 30 grand up front. We just fish figure out what we get. If we don't like what we get, we just go out to a firm, but we have time. I think we give it about 90 days to see what we get locally without spending the 30 grand of the taxpayers money. And if
that doesn't work, then we go out long term. That's what I think. Okay. And on that same token, the um you know, a lot of Florida League cities, they they have jobs out there and the city management. So there's there's you in house. Now there's and and I'm going
to I'm going to agree with Linda on the value of a search firm. Now you this is getting a little bit rough. You and Linda agreed so much something's going on here. I owe Linda a little love. So I'm gonna give it to coercion here. And and so I and I and
I'm coming from a per a level of experience here because I had if you remember back I mentioned the same thing and I will say as we went through that process I saw its value afterwards. Okay. So there there is value and I still I can't I can't love you too much.
I still think a very short period of time just to see what's around here locally or whatever um is is not going to hurt anything. Um, and again, staff is not going to be able to do that and I don't necessarily have that expectation. We do have a full-time HR person that
that's what she does. Um, so I think we have the capability to do that. We did it for the interim. So I, you know, maybe not 90 days. I think we could put it out there and just see in 30 to 45 days what we have, come back and then make a decision at that point to move forward or not or to see if we want to
interview. And if we could save $30,000, I don't see any reason we shouldn't try to do that. And I I think there's probably some interest in the area. Um and and I will also say too that there's been several um city manager position
search for I know Dave City had a had extremely hard time and they use a search firm maybe even twice. Um so just because you have that search firm doesn't mean you're going to get necessarily a good candidates. You're going to get a you're going to cast a wide net and it's not going to be not
wide if we do it in house because you put it on the right things. Indeed, I did last time all the different places. City managers are watching those places. They're not just looking at the firms, right? Um so I don't think you're going to hurt anything by trying it and see. Um again, it's due diligence. You can
always hire a firm. You can always spend a $30,000. And if we do spend a 30,000, they will do a fantastic job for sure. a 60 day 60 60 days at 60 days to search. We're not hurry. I mean Andy will hang out longer than six months if it takes.
I'm not hurry either. So yeah, I agree with Chris. There's no sense in rushing through the case and spend a bunch of money. We might find some might find someone that works out perfectly. So we do we agree on 90 days before we go? Yeah, I say 90 days would be I'll make that motion. Okay. So your motion we we do immediate
search for permacy manager. Yeah. We don't just do 40. We just put it out there. Yeah. No, it's out there and for 90 days. Yeah. See what happens. If we don't find something in 90 days, then we go for the big firm. If it's less 3 months, you see it when three months. 90 days is three months. Yeah. I'll second that.
Okay. Motion to second. Any further discussion? Any public comment? Okay. I put the vote. All in favor signify by saying I. I. Opposed. Okay. Motion carries. Question.
Do we want to set the parameters now for salary and you know benefits for this job description as we posted out? Uh great great question. Um what um what's the the range that we should put on there?
I don't know. Do we have to put what they want? They're going to want to know. Okay. Well, perimeter I guess between 140 160. But I would I wouldn't necessarily say a low end. I just say top end.
I mean, you'll put Richie. She's 130,000. She's 150, I believe. What would make you go for it, Andy? If you were ask Yeah. What are we What are we What should we put on this? I think uh anything under 140 would
probably give a lot of people look at but it doesn't need to be 200. Yeah, I can tell you when things went out the second time they put theirs up to 180 I believe. Um and just for for clarification purpose I'll come back to
you. Um Matt's all in he was at 130 135 130 130 and his all in with benefits and everything retirement was 220. Is that correct? He had $90,000 in extra stuff that wasn't on the original. Yes, I believe that's correct. How's that? That just
FRS is a big portion. Yeah, I think we're paying 40% of his uh FRS. That's a citymandated F FRS. A city manager mandated F FRS. We're not paying that. That's what we were talking about with Andy. We paid him the 13% instead of the 42 or 4. Let me ask you this. That we was able to
do that for the Are we able to do that for a permanent? Is that negotiable or is that That's always negotiable. I I I can look it up. I have a book in there, but um we could probably I I'll have to check before I say what we budgeted for for the year.
Uh we budgeted uh probably important part we budgeted his uh salary at 157 times the 13%. So we'd have to we'd have to build into that somewhere out of our reserves or something to cover that because we're so budget probably about
what 210 um yeah a little higher than that. I I don't know the exact number. I think Okay. Uh hang on one second. I can tell you exactly. I also didn't take the healthare, right? Right. Healthare. So that's I think he's
I think he's below that. That's not an option, but I don't know about the retirement. So that's something to check into. And I say I just want to make sure that when we say what that top range is that we we're taking it all in consideration because it's going to be the top r. You want us to come up with
the numbers including all the stuff they're adding to it. Well, you keep those in mind when you set the top range of salary because there's going to be another 90 grand on top of it or even more. Well, 90 grand because we did 40. Unless he's union, you don't have to pay him any you can pay him what you agree upon. Negotiable. It's all negotiable.
Exactly. don't just throw off well that the FRS is a for instance we established that FRS hierarchy with them now I don't know about going down on that but I know going up on it you you can't
do right now all in for 238 432 Holy cow apply for a city manager position wow well that's with that's with everything the benefit benefits and all that good stuff before taxes. Obviously,
we don't have any benefits. Oh my gosh. Well, I I built in his benefits just in case. So, his health insurance is in here and stuff like that, but that's that's if he had benefits would have been 238. Still a bargain. Now, that makes sense because I know
Matt was at 220 or something with benefits. Yeah. He only gets um he only gets the FRS and that's at 13% and then but what is built in here on this 238 is his health insurance. Okay. So we put in 140 180 and if they mention
F FRS fine which would be part of the negotiation but I'm just talking about pay salary is what you can post. We're required to we're required to do FRS. You have to post it though. Yeah Mr. Whenever you read it talk
I will verify what we have to pay him. The chair has been asked for some comments. The vice chair. It's the vice chair. I'm the chair. The chair has been asked for time to take it. Now the vice chair can talk. Are you ready? Yes. Okay. Thank you, sir. Appreciate that.
I think we need to have somebody sitting in that seat eventually, Andy. eventually that has Matt's skills without his quirkiness with a little bit of like personality, you know, somebody
can really control the room kind of thing versus sit there quietly. I love Matt, but Matt, there was things about Matt that I thought we could get real better with and and that is people skills. Andy's got some people skills, you know, but Matt has mad backend skills. So, we need that right person and that right person's not going to
come cheap. that if we get the right person, it's going to alleviate this constant jumping that we're doing. If we get the wrong person and we we go in there, oh, we're going to like this. We do that and you get the wrong person, you constantly be searching for that person and it's expensive to search for that person. What I
what you want to put in there then? I think up to $180,000 is what we put in there. What's the all in for 180? And why he's looking that up with benefits and do the FRS. Well, we don't have to give all that to him. 180,000 you do according to him. That's what I'm
saying. Now you're looking at $300,000 almost and 180,000 doesn't buy you personality. 180 grandality. Well, so so while he's looking at a the couple things to keep in mind, if you put if you put that range out
there, you're going to get cannons that would accept that range, right? And they're going to ask for it. So, but but if you don't put I'm sorry. Glad and there's I don't think you're necessarily bound
to the range you advertise if uh so let's say that we had it at 150 just for easy figure purposes and we found the right candidate and he wants more we go above that just your parameters and you can negotiate but if you if you if you put that bar
there put and I'll give you an example I apply for jobs all the time and I apply for jobs under what I would expect and what I would expect if I get pulled into there, anybody else would too, is that that's their top range,
but they they may have some wiggle room in there. So, I don't preclude myself just because that salary. So, what I'm saying is you you may get that $180,000 candidate. Why shake your head? Because I hire people all the time and I'm tell you may apply for all, but I
heard you say up to $180,000. But that's that's again that's that's a theoretical ceiling for the right person. People know that again what I'm saying if you had it at 160 somebody wants he wants 180. Would he not apply for that?
Maybe maybe not. But he might apply for it and he and we comes and we realize that he comes back said you know I know you said top 160 but you see what I bring to the table. I'd really like 170. We could we could do that. So I didn't but what I what I will say is if you if
you put it up there they know you're willing to to write that check out. So I don't and again and let me let me give you this information too. So when Matt had his announcement um
I I asked him I said Matt is this about money? Because I I'll be honest with you I was on Matt every day that I talked to him. You need to get to us with your evaluation so we can adjust your pay. You know, you're doing a great job. We want it. We We Well, I said we
I kind of disagree with that. Disagree. What? What you're saying? What part? Most of it. Like Chris was saying, you put out a range $1 140 $180,000 plus FRS. But you put that in there. got really want to
work here, maybe young guy with some good experience, a very sharp guy like Andy, he may come in and say, "I'll I'll do this for 140,000 because he really wants this job." Knowing that other guys are going to want 180, but he'll say, "I'll do it for 140 if you give me a certain percentage every
year in a raise. I'll stay here for five years, maybe longer." Right there. They will do that. Well, it So, so I know what you're what you're saying here just for the first part, but let me finish my my second part. I'm sorry. Because I'm just I'm just regurgitating information you can't disagree with because it's fact.
Okay. So, well, not everybody's going to ask for 180,000. So, I'm just going to use Matt as example because I I'm very familiar with that and this is what he this is words he said to me. Okay. I just I'm just sharing this not maybe it doesn't have any value. I just want to share that to you. So when Matt came here um and the other candidates as
well, there was some big high salaries for some of those other and I matter of fact the the front runner that came out before we had him in house, they were making 200 some plus somewhere and I but and but on paper that looked like the the best candidate, right? um then as we
interview process or whatever and and I know for a fact that Matt um took the the pay that he was getting a lot lower than what he would have wanted and that that factors into him obviously moving forward for money later on. Um but but
when I had the conversation with him when he told me that um he he he got this offer he's he's was leaving um I told him I said you know what if it was about money which it wasn't about money to to Matt but what he said was
and I think this is important to to know and I I want to say it was I think it was the 180 mark I can't remember what his salary actually was but um when I asked him I said well you we could go back and see because obviously we've had you here year here we can see what the
council could do and he flat out said so you can't afford that and so it wasn't even it was a it was a non-starter and this is the center of the hub the seed of manure telling us what we could afford and he you know so he's just he asked that
he's with his benefits he's making well over 300,000 and he's got an assistant town manager as well right so we I get what you're saying Chris and I agree agree. It's it's it's the most important position outside of the city attorney.
Thank you. Um that um and you in order to get the right person, it's money is going to draw that in. But we also got to keep in mind we have responsibility and it's very difficult for us to uh we don't
want to be city manager poor either because we've got a lot of things that we got to to take care of. We've got failing infrastructure. I mean, we're working on that. We're working on all these other things. Um, and so what I would going back to my thing that Bob
disagreed with is if if a can looks at the potential, we can adjust salaries every year, right? And we can make significant jumps. I had I had told Matt my initial thing, hey, you know, I want to give you
10 grand. I'll take that back to council. Just get us your evaluation, whatever. and he and and Matt I'll share this with you too. He he'd stated that, you know, I wouldn't I wouldn't want to do that because that's me and the staff isn't following along with it. So, you
know, these are things that to keep in mind. So, and this is coming from Matt who I respect a whole hell of a lot. And so, what I don't want to do is I don't want to put a number out there that we are going to put ourselves in a bad situation. Not to say we wouldn't necessarily go with something even
higher than the number put out there, but I'd like to see what we get at a maybe I mean I think one 50 I could even go maybe a little higher than that and and see and then there
plus FRS and plus incentives I mean whatever and we can fluctuate on salary if we if we're able to take FRS down that's not important to somebody in order to keep someone here. I mean, like said, if if someone wants to come in, they'll they'll work $140,000 and they'll prove that they want to stay
here. Then we can give them a $10,000 raise in six months. That can be in the contract. Well, if you suit our needs, we're going to pay you more money in six months. Then another six months, we might give you another raise. That gives them incentive to stay without coming up with a whole bunch of money up front and going through the transition with Andy.
And then in a year, they decide to quit and go, we're at another stepping stone, which happens a lot, which I'm sick of. So, I might get someone that's going to stay and some incentives may help with that. But, you like I said, if they really want to work here, they may not this. Look, I'll I'll I'll prove myself. Hire
them $140,000. You got I'll start and I'll prove myself and then we if I do work out where you want and I want to raise in a year or whatever it is that we have more flexibility when you start lower. We could also, you know, time off is important, right? So we could we could
maybe make up for it on time off as well, right? Yep. So I think it's there just negotiation. I still want to lock us into this big salary that I can't afford, right? Um because if you're willing to give them 180,000, which comes about $280,000
after FRS and incentives and then they're going to want another 20% after their contracts up in a year. So what? So give me your top end 180. Is that what you said? You don't have to
under 180. What if you get a rockar? What if a guy comes in here as a rockstar or her? Whatever. Well, this just this just for the announcement. Whatever whatever can So this I'm just we gota in order to announce that we got to have some kind. What did we What do we What did we go with last time when Andy was hired? Do
you remember? So uh no, because it was negotiated. Do you remember? I think it was 130, wasn't it? No, inter was a little different scenario. So, but when we went with Matt, I don't remember what the range was there either, but there was different circumstanc.
Yeah, I think I think we upped it because this it wasn't a full-time position and plus we were talking about not not incorporating benefits or or negotiating FRS. So, right, that's, you know, we we we made the ceiling higher at that time, but that's I'm just thinking this.
Here's what I'm thinking. I don't want to waste any taxpayer dollars at all. But again, I don't want to waste any taxpayer dollars, okay? I don't want to continue to do this thing every few years till we're just blew in the face and can't stand it, you know, because it's not it's not financially responsible for us to continue to go
through it. I think if you're going to fish, you got to go to the bait shop, you got to buy shrimp, right? You buy the good stuff, you can't buy the cheap stuff. So if we're want to go fish for the right person, we got to fish the right bait. So we say up to this man here when they come in, right? You know, and we don't find that that perfect person that we like that we all
get along with. They're charismatic. They're like mad, blah blah blah. Then you start them out at a different place and see what they can do. You don't have to give them what you say. Absolutely not. Why don't you say starting at instead of up two? Why don't you say because up two sounds better? It brings in more fish. That's why.
Well, yeah. Starting really doesn't matter. I mean, if you Okay. What's the max I'm gonna get out of here? Yeah. Are you a rockstar? If you're a rockstar and you can help us grow this city and you're going to stick around for six or eight years or whatever, earn their money. And you know, we may find somebody that looks like they got a lot of potential,
whatever, and we can actually pay them lower uh because they're because they don't have the experience. And so we obviously they're not going to top dollar. Yeah. Up to. So what what is it up to? That's what I'm trying to get. What you told what I thought. 180. Is that what it That's what I thought. What you're up to. If you're going to fish for the
right person, 150. What you're up to? I I'd say 140 160. What you're up to? 160 165. So if I average those, we're probably about 150. I'm okay with 160. I'm okay with 160. But I think you got to do a you got to
do a WOW number to get the right person. Is that a motion? Yeah, I'll make a motion. I make a motion we put the number at 160 plus. 160 plus FRS and all that other stuff. Um, you don't normally you don't you don't normally put that in the application.
That's something you can negotiate later up to 160. Okay. Is there a second? I'll second it. Christine second. You're close, Bob. Next time that time. Any public comment?
165. Okay. All right. So, we got too much. Any further discussion? I'm put the vote. All in favor signify by saying I. I. I. Opposed. Motion carries. We forgot to add them. Huh?
We We can afford 160. I put enough money in there to that. So that's that's a great example of like us doing something uh approving something that's already been paid agenda. That's what it feels like. Hey, Adam. Touche, buddy.
Should ask him first. Yeah. I love you, brother. Do we need anything else, S for that to go? No, no, I'm good. Can I say one thing? Thank you. Don't ask any I would like to say Andy and Nancy, you guys have been pivotable to where we are, but as a city council, we're
responsible to the voters to make sure we look at least for the best options. If we didn't do that, they should not reelect us. They should take us out. SP I think we did good with Matt and Andy. Andy's going to be hard to replace. Yeah. very knowledgeable, a lot of
Andrew's been a godsend to us where we are right now. And he's done a lot for us. He's going to be here for another six months plus. And he's just now getting to know everybody around here who to contact. So, it's just starting to roll, starting to gel. So, it's going to be hard to replace. Okay.
All right. So, with that, we will move on to comments for the mayor, city council. I will start uh let's start with absolutely nothing. Just council B. Nothing at all. Okay. Uh, let's jump over here to Council
Wait. I apologize. It's not on the cover page, but you do have old business attached to the agenda. Okay. Normally come before comments. Normally, you do old business then comments. Okay. Let me let me since we just started, let's back up. So, old business. Is there any old business? I
think you said old business. No, thank you. That's just follow the agenda real quick. Sorry. spreadsheet is attached. Can you uh share my screen at all? So
hopefully that'll come up. I don't think fully in says connecting to audio. I do appreciate your screen by the way. Your taxpayers work your tax dollars. There you go. Now you're in. Okay.
All right. So, I was uh still not up there. Maybe it's coming. There it is. So, I was looking at the different things that we could do at Waterfront Park and I was looking at the trustee contract, the dos and don'ts, and there's a whole lot of don'ts and as far as dredging and
docks and stuff like that. And also the one specific thing in there it said was no amp amphitheaters which we were really counting and looking at at doing over there. So let me correct you there. Um so um and I'll give you time back but I
just want to make sure you have the right information. So I I watch CC. I know you you brought some things up and so I'll say I've had conversations with Sal myself and um uh FCT and so the um and actually let me let me read this and I I got clarification from a rep. So if
you engage and I use after I watched the meeting I I specifically talked about um the amphitheater. those other things but I talked about the amphitheater because that was one thing that we had talked about before um with them and I was understanding that was good and so if
you engage with AI on the FCT properties and amphitheater it's no no no no no it's more of an active path not not a passive activity or whatever um then I went out to um the SCT site and I'm gonna I'm gonna share something with you
well hang on this is kind of irrelevant to that I'll come back to that then okay Well, uh, as my colleague Chris said, sometimes you got to think outside the box, sometimes you come up with something better. Even if we could put emphas, uh, this is something that's definitely
a can do. So, you want to have a a concert at Waterfront Park. You just imagine kids are playing on the splash pad and the and and the parents are sitting there listening to good music. You got the food trucks and ice cream trucks and have a summer fest. We have the fireworks on Sunday at the end of
the week. Um the next day when all said and done, everything's all put away and just like it was before. Nothing happened here. It's just just like it was the the week before the festival. So you want to have a Christmas festival the whole month of December. So you
close boat ramp 5:30, 6 o'clock. You roll this thing in there, you set it up, you can have Christmas plays, Christmas shows, music, whatever right there at Nick's Park right there in the in the landings. And here's a real good kicker. What if you have the observation deck,
the fish camp out there at Brasher Park with the observation deck and the walk the deck, you walk around the boardwalk and everything and someone wants to have a wedding out there. They want to have a band. You can roll this out there. Just imagine you can have a wedding. You want to book that still house for a wedding. You can have a band there with 200 of
your friends and relatives and that would be an experience like no other. Um, that's definitely a possibility. And right now, Pasco County Tourism with Paradise Marketing would mark it as is the most memorable wedding venue on the
west coast of Florida. If you have something like that, another nice thing with this being it's so versatile, if we're not using, you can rent it out. Say, uh, San Antonio is having their rattlesnake round up for a week. Take this out there $10,000. They rent it for
a week. as well as a band, well as a school or church. As long as we're not using it, we can monetize and we can rent it out. And it costs less than half as an amphitheater. So, I was going to play this and you can kind of see.
I don't know if it's got the sound or not. Well, we can look at it anyway. See what the sound connected. So, it's connected. So, you got electric motor 110 and you've got a gas motor. You can plug it
in and use the hydraulics or you can uh use a gas motor if you don't have power. You can put this up anywhere you want. You can you got hydraulics to lift it and level it. All automatic. I don't know why it's not playing audio,
but what is he talking in the background about or something? Yeah, when you claim they got 8,000 lb adjustable legs here for support. They make stages all over the place that
uh I mean Kenny, Chzn, Madonna, a lot of people they make them as big as carried by semi. I mean they they do a lot. They just sent three to Broward part or Broward County and that is where you can hang speakers that comes with that.
Very easy to set. One guy can set it up. 45 minutes. It has inspections. You can buy extra four sections so you can make the stage larger. You got a net in the back if you want. Put a net in the back. You got another bar for more lights. You can hang lights. You can put more lights up there
if you want. But this whole package right now, just the way it sits, I have some truck and pull with a two and 516 bowl. They make these in Pittsburgh, Kansas.
delivered. They can deliver it here and show the staff how to break it up and set it down. All the there's extra floors u for 167,200. That's great. And you can rent that out, like I said,
for 10,000 a week when we're not using it. But it's very versatile. I mean, you can have music out of Brasher Park, not just at the waterfront park. You can put it at Nick Park. And like I said, you don't have to get permission and roll it out or use it and put it
away when you're done. And uh that leaves Waterfront Park is more versatile as well. What about leasing one when we need one since we could lease ours out? Maybe we could lease one when we need one where they're locally like they just uh somebody they lease
one. You can but and at the same time it may not be available. Right. True. So this if like I said if you have a band that wants to perform here for a wedding out well you can't really we get it on short not well we have it you know
so um what I would like to do is for Andy reason I'm bringing this up is for Andy to get a package on that what the accessories are and what they cost. I've got the numbers uh the guy contact phone number and everything and um you want to
put together a package maybe for the next meeting very simple he'll get he'll send you a list and you'll bring the list to us and we can observe and the the thing is it's a year out if we order it now it's a year before we get it what's the warranty they're busy u
how long does it last well they got they got um there's not much maintenance on it but it's a one-year warranty It's in the budget on everything. It's in the budget. Well, you got a year to you got a year to pay for it because they don't want any money down. No, no, they just want a
work order and then you don't have to pay anything until a year till they deliver it. So, is there any objection to at least getting a cost? You say it was 167,000. Well, that's 16. It's 160 7,200 to deliver it and to do a demonstration,
explain everybody and and and for support if someone has support if something goes wrong or whatever. So it's all there different sizes just one. They this is this is they have different size. They have some big they have someone that take a gooseeneck like a fifth wheel hips and then they got
semi-truck die stages. Well, this 116 some thousand. What's what size is this? This is 2016. It's 20 x 16. But you got floor sections. You can make it bigger, the stage part bigger. But this size is looks perfect for us as far as I can
see. Um, and it's easy to tow around. Any of our trucks can tow it around. So, what do you want Andy to look into? Huh? What do you want Andy look into? I just wanted him to just get up the There's a lot of accessories for this and uh you can look at the different accessories on that. If I can close this
out. optional equipment. That's some of the the pictures of it. And this is there's probably other companies that sell these, too. So, I guess probably there's other you want to compare prices. Uh, there really isn't.
There are some that make it look basically like a utility trailer where that it folds up and then they got it's kind of cramped and they're like 130 140,000. So this was a professional stage. I looked at the others there. There was
also like flatbed with no sides or top and it was almost as much as that one was. Okay. So I said for the money and this is why it's a year out because they're it pretty much for professional stages. This is not this is not rinky dink. This is this is professional stage.
Um well, so question. Um it looks like a pretty awesome piece of equipment, but we have waterfront park. We have
Yes, ma'am. We have the absolute crown jewel of the entire area. We got park, too. Well, then maybe down the road we'll do something where we can go in that Nebraska. But I think our crown jewel down there needs to be something absolutely stunning. I love
the, you know, the splash pad thing going on there, but we need to design and build. You know, I think you just said there are some more abilities that we can do. You said that they do allow Yeah. And I I'll get that during my comments. Yeah, I I think we need to
invest into that part and to to really make a place where people want to come and have venues, concerts, all those things, you know, and hang out with their kids and have fun there and all that. It's just it's just such a beautiful park to to not give it what it really deserves. And what we need to do
in our generation is change what we have down there to really be something that's destination spot. It's not going to be something that comes and goes with the wind. This can be a solid structure that stays is there for decades to come. You know how much
how much is that going to cost? I I'm not gonna I'm not going to look at how much it's going to cost. I'm going to look at what we need to get this community off the ground. And what we need is we need something that's special down there. We need to be able to bring in, you know, venues have at least this
is your place. I don't know. bring in some real talent to this area to bring in people that want to come to spend money down here at shows that you can advertise that bring in a thousand people, you know, maybe a couple thousand people, you know, where they're sitting out there on their, you know, their lawn blankets and there's some
kind of shade over it, you know, but you got a big stage, you got bathrooms and you got concessions and you got all that stuff. You got to do something special and something different. But that's all planning. That's all planning on down the road. But yeah, I know what you're saying. I think we're here now. Yeah. Well, well, that's what we have the events committee and stuff like that. We got to
have an event to need a stage to be able to do this. So, you think they allow us to put a a big concrete permanent amphitheater down there? The short answer is yes. I'll get that in and I'm done. I'm done with my comment
on that. Thank you. I uh I like what you're you're thinking outside the box obviously and and I there's there's advance because you move this around and all that. Then go back to what Chris says, you know, this is not going to put us on the map. Hey, Port's got a mobile stage, they can move
everywhere, right? But if you build something, if we do right, that that it does do that. And I I think for our our needs, again, I don't know what the rental cost is. And if we if you want us to look into it, we can like sense say just we got a price on it. Let's see what the price is to rent one so we have
an idea and can't can't keep this as an option maybe from temporary. Maybe it's something we do and do this or something so we can maybe have a mobile stage. I'm not necessarily against talking about it. But as a as to replace to make it our go-to, I think that's not thinking
big enough. But you're trying to solve a problem that you thought was there and so that this one's stage is bigger than what they had at Gild Dog. They had pre I agree. So, I mean, you can do a lot with these and
like I said, you can monetize it and you can I mean, we're not we're not a big city. You don't have a huge budget, but you want to put a big state, you don't care what the price is. I mean I mean 7 $800,000 for a big amphitheater is that's a lot of money,
right? And you can you can have four of these. I'm not saying you won't have four of these, but you could do a lot more with just this this one even. And if you want to if if the city grows in five, six, seven, eight years, you want to put an amphitheater over there if the students support it. I just don't think we're ready for that right now. Yeah.
I don't think it's in our budget right now. And maybe not as we have the conversations. I think I think this is a good option to keep in our back pocket to maybe we can move forward in if we find out that doesn't work. We don't. You see what I'm saying? Well, I mean, and if if if
an amphitheater, we get the budget for that and we can sell this for about what we paid for it if you want to do that, too. You know, it's kind of hard to go over. You can't sell an amphitheater. You can only tear it down, right? So, um, so I mean, what are you
looking for? I'll try to get Well, just let Andy put the package together. They got accessories. Like I said, extra safe. How many extra sets of stages do you want? If you want them, you want the screen on the back. That's here. There's a screen in the back. You want another light bar. That's what I was looking at. Maybe another light bar, maybe some extra floors, depending on
what kind of play we have. And if we want to do that, then if you want Andy do a work order on it, then we can do a work order on it. Is there any objections to Andy doing that? Just exploring the possibility. Possibility. Yeah. Find some uh quotes.
It'll be years till we have a amphitheater anyway. So I mean yeah you can have this year know what they are even just to lease one I can find out I can find out how much it is to lease one but any objections I mean okay anything else
Bob anything else okay uh counciloman I just wanted to get a consensus on um scheduling a workshop to discuss the appointment of a special magistrate we went through that today. Um, Veronica, Nancy, Andy and I, and we're just ready
to get it scheduled. So, special magistrate and the code enforcement or the uh nuisance abatement code. We went through all of that. So, we're ready to schedule. So, you want a workshop for it? We need a workshop and Veronica would like it as soon as possible because she
really wants to implement some changes. Yes, I agree with that. We're four of us are excited with the work that we uh talked about. Bring it to you guys. How much time to prepare for the workshop? Is there any is ready to go? Staff's going to have to put some stuff together. Staff has to put some stuff together. Maybe
November 18th. Well, and if we want Andy to be back on Oh, yeah. November 18th. Let me look. November 18th is the is the off Tuesday. Yeah.
Is this uh is this something we're planning on starting this fiscal year because we didn't budget for a magistrate for that. That's part of the conversation. Yeah. All of that will be figured out by then. They'll have an idea of what those fees will be
part of the conversation. Want to make sure everyone um think my computer holds up. Well, there was one other thing I wanted to ask for talking about. I'll come back to you. Yeah, let's finish. I was trying to find
Let me see if I can find I I just mentioned that day. That's a hard um November. They're now having a council meeting on November 12th. Are we having a planning and zoning meeting on November 12th? Okay. I was going to say I move them over just as well.
I was going to say I'm going to be up here. So if we want to do it the 12th if he's back. Yeah. But planning and zoning is already meeting at 1. I don't know if that is too much and one day for your clerk and others. So at 6, right? Any idea what time?
Yes, like two hours probably. That's probably funny. I would think, but I don't know. Two hours would be more than enough. Any idea what they're going to be discussing? I don't know that yet. I don't have any big. So, they probably
So, there's a one. Yeah, we probably What do you think? You want to do it all? You want too much? I would prefer not to have that many meetings in one day. I know it's beneficial to have her here, but I mean three is is a lot in one day. We've
essentially been a meeting since Yeah. since we're doing it in November. What about the earlier on the 25th during the day on the 25th? Oh, before council. Yeah. How about that? Ashley, is there anything else going on 25th? No, there's nothing else on the It's kind of It's a month out. Is that
okay? That came in. Well, two things. One, I I want to apologize. Um, I got a price on the 2024 trailer. That one there, the 2016, the one I was showing you, I was recommended is 116,000. Okay.
7,200 to deliver it. Okay. Are are you good with the 25th? Yeah. I'm going to come back to you. Well, yeah, I'm good. Chris, 25th got you. We got before council council meeting. We meet before the council. What time is it? November 25th. Um,
November 25th. So, I would I would say Yes, that's good. 3:00. So, what do you what do you three to what? And then council at six. Yes, ma'am. They give you a little time in between
if you want or we can just go right four and if it goes two hours, we'll go right in the other one with you. We can't really take a we have to take a break before the six. Start the three work with Congress. take an hour break and then go six. Yeah. Do three or we can maybe do 3:30
if you want a little closer. You guys tell me. I don't care. Three. It don't matter. Three. Three. Lisa. Um I'll have to check but I think Okay. So three on 25th. For the for the Southern workshop for the what workshop? Southern workshop.
It's a work. It's for the special magistrate and the nuisance abatement code changes. I was trying to summarize. What about the CRA grant? Do you want to save that for a different um Yeah. And the CR Yeah, we should do
that all all together. All three. So the CRA grant program too. Um by then we should have all that figured out. I think we're getting close. We just have to have the same workshop as normal. You can you can Yeah, you can do as much as you want. Um the the abatement it you
want to say anything is kind of part of the special mag. They kind of go together. That's why we were suggesting to have them together. Um you know and if we get in and it's close to five and we aren't to the grant, we can always just punt that to the next one. But at least it's on the books and not getting lost. Anything else?
No, I'm good. Yeah, I was I was just kidding about the Sville workshop. I didn't realize Yeah. So, I was uh hoping everybody would be available on the uh 20th of November. I've got uh
a developer realtor that uh sets up a lot of different hotels and condos. She's got a big project out 52 in Expressway. She's got a big project in Naples. Um and she's also contacted a worldclass designer architect has got
two television shows. He's done a lot of work on a couple other shows as well. He's very popular. He does a lot of outdoor designs as well as hotel executives and um business leaders and property owners over on the waterfront would like
to have a town hall on the 20th. You guys are available to see the different options that these people want to bring to this area. Well, so we have a town hall scheduled December. December. Can we do it with the regular schedule panel? December what? December. It's quarterly that goes along
with your other ones. I think it's the second or six. Yeah, not Saturday. It must be the fourth. I'm sorry. December second. Post on Tuesday. Okay. I can't do that one. I won't be here in December second. How about either
you'll be here November 20th? Yes. Um I don't know. six o'clock or earlier.
I would say we we cancel the if we do cancel the town hall and make this town hall the town hall. We can do that, right? I mean, we stand we just since these guys aren't going to be here, we just change the date of it.
If it's it could be that close. I mean, where's it going to be, Bob? Here. Right here. Yeah, we can do it here. Okay. Oh, we don't need to tour the waterfront. I thought you want to do one at the park. No, time is not I might not.
They They've looked at the looked at the park. Okay. They looked at the waterfront and of course the business people own businesses over there. They know what's going on. And Andy and I have showed them around. Are they only available on the 20th? Well, I don't know. I told him I had to
get with you. They're wanting to do all these things. They could get with you and I says because I'm coming back on the 18th, so it was a Thursday and I thought you guys might be available on the 20th is why I suggest I said let's see what my colleagues say. So no nothing is until you guys tell me it's so they don't own property or they
don't Some do, some don't. Some I mean like I mean they own property here in Port Richie. Mike and Tim love own catches. Oh, there's Crab. Yeah. Well, there's Whiskey Joe's and then there's uh Mark and Stacy on the where the casino boat
was and and uh Frank owns over there where the seaside was and hopefully Ryan can come too, but I'd like to see if we can get a hold. I haven't got a hold of people at Hooters yet, but they're going to be a plus hotel executives, designer,
the the bro the broker, a lot of people showing interest in here. I said we need to get my colleagues up to speed before we go any further. What's what what do we what's our involvement in this I guess? Well, it basically you guys can can see what they have to offer and the business
people can ask them questions at the same time and see if there's something you know I don't agree at everything they want to do but it's not my decision because it's not my property. So I you guys I know that. But we can sit here and see what how we
can help people as a city and we can be up to speed on what they might be wanting to do and it may be something that So you're saying the the people that already own the property are wanting to do the hotel or somebody else is coming possible investors as well or somebody else is coming in and saying
they want to do it. I guess I'm confused. What's if if business owners that own property there now and own businesses there now would like to see what kind of options these people are bringing and they may bring other people in here also of course.
So when you say when you say options what what I mean we have zoning and we have these different things. What value we I mean what value we have being there in that I guess initial conversation. You want to you want to fill in Andy? It's I think it's really a facilitation
to have people meet each other and try to figure out what what the potential buyers are down there. Like the the real realtor, you said she she doesn't have property down here, but she knows she sets up deals with hotel years, hotel construction,
more facilitative meeting. It sounds to me that if these guys want to get together and have a conversation or whatever, that that's good. I don't know where our involvement comes in yet until somebody
engages the city. So that I mean all we'd be doing is kind of sitting there listening. I think uh we can't really offer anything because I thought the intent was just show we're development friendly, business friendly, and help him make introduction to Does
the city be willing to do that? Well, we're here with say yay or nay. Well, well, we can't we can't make those. We can't do that. I mean, that's the way it works. Yeah. Okay. Some of that stuff that would come before you would would probably quite judicial decisions even. So, you you really can't do that. Okay.
Be part of my concern with doing a meeting like that. Um I think it's great to facilitate and you know, introduce the make the introductions. Yeah. Um, but they need to when they're ready to do something, they need to bring that project forward to the city as the council to make the decisions the
council makes. All right. Yeah. Pasco Tourism wanted to be here too, as well as u Paradise Marketing. They kind of set this up. They started the whole thing and said people were interested in area reach out to me. And I said, "Okay." And then I
met with Andy and then we met with Donna and some other people and she's told me about what she's doing and all the stuff's going on and all the talking about doing it in the sunshine at a town hall with the cameras on and everything. So, right.
Well, the the I guess the problem is is we have I mean we have zoning, we have all these other things. We we have the the additional density if you have five acres do PUD. We have all that's out there public record that they can engage with the city if they want to do some project and and go through that process.
We we can't we can't all like and maybe you're thinking this will come out of it. So we we convene this town hall and they say well hey we all think about this. I think it's a great idea but that you know that's all well and good but that's not the forum that we can make
those deals. Um we've had so let's give you an example. to say, uh, I want to put 200 foot skyrise in. Okay. And we all may say, yeah, you know, I like that. Uh, we go about and and and try to do that. And there's a big process that
goes for we can't make that decision. We can't make any promises and we can't convey that we're making any promises in that. So, again, I don't know I don't what value we would have there. Matter of fact, I think we would have uh we would have um uh potential risk
there. We would limit conversations. Sure. Maybe it's more inappropriate a chamber of commerce event, but they don't have a good facility so we could host it here. I mean, and make sure we're following all the sunshine. Well, it wouldn't be a sun sunshine
issue unless your council was there. Yeah. Acting and doing something, right? We don't we don't have to be here. If it is that you're will you're okay with whomever these folks are coming here and using your facility, that's a different conversation. you know, you would have the facility, introduce people, let them have that
meeting. If you want council to be there, obviously then it becomes a sunshine issue. But if it's not involving council, they can meet wherever they find a spot. And I don't know if city hall's ever offered out as a spot for meetings, but that's, you know, something we could consider physical location.
And then you also have that that whole interaction there or whatever. Grant public would be notified they could come or whatever, but it it it's a little odd. U scenario, but I don't um
it's not the purpose of a town hall. A town hall is for folks to come talk to you guys um and talk about city issues that may then prompt action later in different council meeting. Um and this isn't city property that you're trying to get the word out we're selling and here's what we're selling it for or anything like that. So I don't think a
town hall's appropriate spot for it. Again, if city hall can be used for the event, that's a conversation for those that run city hall and the staff that would have to be here to make it possible. Um, but that would be different from council in my opinion. Yeah.
Yeah. I I think the get have them get together and meet and talk about that stuff and at the point that they they decide they want to do something then engage the city with that question. That'd be the time we talk about it. Then everybody knows the purpose of it, whatever. Uh
that's kind of my thought. Instead of involving the elected officials, we could have staff like I mean this would be the first uh this would be the first of its kind maybe. But trying to show we're business friendly, development friendly, have an
open house. Is that is that a better term? Where they could have the members of the staff here, hey, hey, how do you go about uh getting a bu building permit in this town? Oh, well the office is right over there and Oh, if you want to go pal's meet and greet or whatever, we can definitely do that. I think I think I mean
if that's what you're looking for, that's something. We hadn't talked in depth about it, but that I think that's the sense is just making sure they know we're open for business and where we are and that we're interested in what they might want to do here. So, I hope that's why that's why that's why
I told him. I said, you know, I don't own property here and it's not city property. It's private property. Yeah. And everybody's individually owned, but you know, I wanted you guys to kind of see what we're what's going on. But that's fine. They need to kind of figure
it out themselves first probably or maybe one of the restaurants hosts get together. They want to go over there and and meet or Whiskey does or something. And it wouldn't be inappropriate for me to come down or Veronica. Yeah, that'd be Well, you could. Yeah, you could go down
or you could go. It wouldn't be appropriate for all of us to go there. We just couldn't talk about things come force at the city, which would be kind of hard not to if they're going to tell you about Well, then you could have it here. You don't go to bowling now. You're not going to bowl. It's the same thing. Yeah, you could have it here then. I mean, whatever. But okay.
Anyway, Andy, that's You want to write this number down? Apex stages. Apex stages. Yeah, we're looking at the model 2016. Model 2016. And that's the footage. It's
20 foot. Yeah, that's the base base. Yeah, base footage. The number is 620. 235 171212. Got it. Yep. All right.
Good luck with that. Thanks, sir. Okay. Unfortunately, I do got a couple of things. It won't take very long. Uh business. No, remember you started in comment but then we realized old business. So they did their
Oh, they thought we just passed that. Okay. Um so you're not old business. You're old business. Old business. No, you're still you were still an old business. Okay. So I don't have any old business. I think our old business morphed to comments because we also it's kind of a blend.
Hi Robbie. You hear my comments? I'm just kidding. Good night. No, no, no. You get to hear ours. That's all. I think the trail is a great idea. Okay. So now, um, so we're done with old business. So any anything else, Bob, for
the mayor, city council comments? Oh, good. He said no. He said no. Said no. Move on. Okay. Okay. I had one thing.
Don't get me started. I didn't know. Okay. So, I won't I won't go into much detail, but I want to read this list so so you have it. And so, Luchia Cortez is our um representative for Pasco and several other counties for SCT properties. Okay. And I so I found this
particular um thing on the site. Recreational facilities on Florida Community Trust sites. Below are the more common resident recreational facilities found on SCT sites throughout Florida. This list is not exhaustive. If you are considering facilities not listed or have any questions, please
contact SCT. And the list is picnic pavilion, fishing pier, frisbee golf course, wildlife observation tower, wildlife observation platform, geocache, permanent and multiple sites, trails, hiking, nature, biking, fitness, shared use, equestrian, canoe launch, pier,
boat ramp/pier, campground, playground, climbing rocks, athletic fields, baseball, softball, soccer, football, multi-purpose, remote control airfield, skateboard park, volleyball court, tennis court, raetball court, basketball court, rope court, course, splash park,
swimming pool, swimming area, interactive music station, BMX bike rack or bike track, equestrian rink, amphitheater, dog park, port swing, shuffleboard court, and roller hockey court. So, there's a lot of things in there that you can do about
we're not only regulated by the FCT, though. We're regulated that that park is not only FCT. It is Southwest Florida Water Management District. So that sets the parameters of the two waterfront parcels there and then the um easement
there. There's a conservation easement and then when we took money from the FCT then we uh restricted what we could do with the remainder of the property. So there was a bunch of property there that had no restrictions within the southwest
central southwest Florida management water whatever it's a big long acronym. Um but then when we got the grant money then we restricted it with the FCT so that so it has dual restrictions on it. We really not only we need a we need a
lawyer to actually look this over because I mean I I've played with it for a long long time and I still just I'm like it it it's it's a lot. We might even need more than that. We might need some kind of special. We might need a
meeting with the the Southwest Florida and the um FCT to pull all these because it's not just in the documents. Then you have to go to the Pasco books because it'll reference like book and page numbers. Once you start putting this all
together and looking at the the um there's an exhibit B map, it's like one piece another piece and it just makes this very very complicated mess of you can't do much. So before we get the public any more excited,
we need to really really take a look at it. Yeah. The looks back. I know. I've been been here for 40 years. I've seen a lot of projects get kicked out and they all set and they oh we can do that and they go do it. Oh, okay. Well, a lot of times 10 years ago, the city
told the state to take the property back. We should have a we should have a review on this that's in a binder that's in an office somewhere under lock and key forever so that we can always always resort to it because I think this has come up in on numerous occasions
predecessors and they get pretty far down the road with discussions and then they figure out that there's it's very very limited what can be done. So, it's it's not just FCT. No, there's a couple different people. Yeah, you got to look at this piece, that piece, and I I mean, I played with
it. I really put it I'd like to see that this piece that piece because it's not something I can explain right here. And I don't even feel qualified enough to to even try to advise on. I think you need an attorney and possibly
all the documents pulled together in the FCT and the somebody. Yeah. Point. Well, it because is there any objections to Nancy getting to the bottom of because we need we need to know this answer what we can do what we can't do and I
you know so I'm all for it dig into this waterfront park okay on it the expertise that you got over there got start reading um some of the documents
the the PNZ board met today and they um they wanted some direction from council to um talk about WOD. Uh the conversation was was about basically, you know, they
want to make sure that there's access around the the perimeter of the waterfront, right? We don't have it now. some of the new development stuff that's talked about there is is one that and the concern is that you know it would go so far and stop. Um and so
um they they wanted to one look at setbacks and stuff if what was there. Um, and what I kind of surmise is that if we could maybe take up a a boardwalk initiative because I think there's there's there's properties
there that um go right up to it and and possibly we could look at as we think about this boardwalk initiative going all the way around there that maybe we could build out into the water past those properties like where Hooters is right there. There's no nothing to walk through, but maybe we could look at what
we could do to complete that path and how we complete it. So that's one of the things that they they're concerned about and obviously as the the development might might happen um we kind of be nice to kind of talk about that boardwalk initially. I think it's something everybody wants to see is that access all around there. So if we can somehow
around where the water from behind the restaurant you got a marina there you're not going to go through but it's part of it right. Well I yeah it's like Hooters would be like my stage two of the docks I was planning on next park. I'd like to do the same thing behind Hooters. Of course, a boardwalk all the way up brown
waterfront. Yeah, that would be great. And I don't want to talk about it now. Add that to the special meeting on the 25th. I think that meeting is probably full. Yes. No, this I don't you know I just something to kind of keep in mind and maybe all we need is for for Andy to
start thinking about what we need to do to make that a reality and to work with existing property owners and what our options are as we have those conversations so that we kind of have a plan of how we do that. So, Councilman Hover's uh idea of a a get together with
those same people, that might be a a good venue to to talk about that. Well, so I I will say that I've talked to I mean, Catches, Whiskey Joe's, they they would love to have that. It's it's more of execution and we have to work with them on some of the things and and
like for inance catches, they actually have something they could maybe allow it to become a a open pedestrian thing whereas others don't. the meet and greet we were discussing, it's a lot of the same players. So, people that are prospective builders out here might buy a property and build something there, we
want them to be aware, too, that that's something we want into. Yeah. And some of the people wanted to zoom, you know, a couple persons in Canada. Oh, this this is more of a of a of a plan put together in a waterfront over relation district code
that we I'm going to if I if I may and I think we talked this was mentioned to P&Z that it might be a good idea to um talk to the planner and say this this is the idea we want the code to um ensure that this boardwalk would be possible. Is that just setbacks? Do we need to have
something more? And that way that can be brought to P&Z and you guys to have that ultimate conversation of how do we change the code to make the boardwalk a reality and not just relying on hope to do it. So I think that's a conversation um for maybe Andy to start with our with
your planner. Yeah. And and report back. That would be my suggestion. Any objections to that? No. Okay. Um Oh yeah. and and so there was a concern about having some architectural
committee and the we have the WOD and we have in the WOD we have um a theme if you will fishing village slash um Florida nautical theme or whatever in there but there's no real teeth to it
and so and that would normally happen in a in a planning and zoning review but not all I mean PUD with five acres or more those projects would come select the development with uh uh Burke and they're going to come to us with plans. We have some talk about that. Um but uh
individual projects don't necessarily come through that process as long as they meet all the zoning requirements, whatever. So um we probably need to look at adding something in there to make sure that that has some teeth to it and that that any project that happens in the WOD would need to come to planning
and zoning so that we could make sure that those themes are enforced. Nancy said in that meeting she was going to look up St. on past length stuff. So when she brings that to us, we could probably either just review it and improve it. Yeah. Decline it with any special edits at that time, right? Yeah. Is there a gap? I'm letting you
guys know. Well, you got you got land uses over there and people look at that like a a hotel or resort once it be that's all covered. It's the it's the the look and we're we're in the code. We're asking for it.
Look at land use. They're going to do I can't do it. I can't build nothing there. And they won't even talk. So we we take the the the look out and not have it thing or we we need to put something in place to make sure that the look is adhered to. That's that's really conversation. Okay. Um
talk about that. Um just remind the car show is Saturday the 18th. Um so if you could make that I'll see it public this Saturday. This Saturday from 10 to 3 at uh Walmart parking lot. Um the uh
I'll save that for last. The second to last one um I want just to get on the record. Um Bob, you had mentioned some stuff about hotels last meeting that the information you provide. I I thought it was incorrect at the time, but I didn't want to say anything without making sure. Um a couple things. So you'd
mentioned about the hotels and and the the moneymaking thing on it. We share some 6%. So there is no sharing of the 6%. So what happens on on the 6% that's state sales tax penny for Pasco is on top of that 7%. And so of that 1% penny
for Pasco we would get as well as everybody else would get their share. Our share is 67%. So that's shared but not it's not shared 6%. It's shared and could be just way like 7% share or whatever. Yeah. 1%. You don't get it.
We we get 67% of the 1%. Okay. Okay. So this we'll make sure that you understood it. It's 67 of the extra p the extra percent. I didn't break it down but I I know people could be confused. So no we're getting 3% they're getting 3%. So we get 67% of the 1% and so is vice. So that
was but the 4% is all ours. That's that's incorrect as well. So the 4% is actually not 4% anymore. Pasco up to 5% and that goes all to the county. So we get none of that. What? Now if it's in the city limits you get none of it. It's all goes to Pasco. Check it out.
that that I did and that's if it's in the city limits. Um it doesn't matter if it's the city limits. It's a it's a Pasco bed tax and it goes to Pasco and they they use it. So I looked it up. So that's my
understanding. So if you guys want to prove that wrong, I'd like to find out for sure because the information I'm getting is we get none of that. So would love to but we don't. It looks and I don't think we get any now. So, and we do have some stuff going on that would charge that, but to look into
that. Okay. Again, um, next thing, most exciting thing. Well, for some the run is done. Nice. It's beautiful. This is This is um what looks like
here's the thing, the tag on it with the number. So, um, there's been there's been some changes to how it all works and it's still fluid. It's all done. It's all packaged in the cases. It's six per case. Um, and
that has to go to a distributor. Distributor has to give it to a retail point and that retail point catches it is volunteered to do that for us. Okay. Um, still got to work out the taxes and all that or whatever. And so what whatever's left over would have to go to the the cherry.
Yeah. That's right. Did you say it was fluid? It's fluid. Yeah. No pun intended. It's only bottom number one. Just crack it up. So you've been wrong. And so um so that's still be worked out. But uh so we're not going to have it for
sale at the car show. Um but it's going to be catches local. So we tell people to go there once it's they have it and they're ready to to sell it. Then that happens. We still have the policy for the the donations thing to be able to do that. Um that's in and of itself
complicated as everything is. Um and so the gist of that is is we have to we can select somebody but we have to twist. You have to show that it's the legislative body which would be you guys have to have to make a finding of
whoever the um money is going to is providing a primary public purpose for the city not just that the city's names mentioned and incidentally the city gets some some good you know uh PR or something on it. You have to show that there's a primary public purpose. Um,
and then you have to show that there's some kind of safeguards lined up that you're able to ensure like through an audit or something the money has been used for what they have agreed to use it for. Okay. So, we'll have to do that. So, um obviously
once once we decide on that then we can get that money dispersed in that cherry. So, obviously we talked about um the uh a substance abuse/ alcohol abuse uh uh uh charity that does that.
Did you say it's too small of a bottle? You want to leave it? Sorry. Um um and so the what I was thinking to help the the that cause we do have at least one I don't
know if anybody knows else maybe you guys know we have PAR over here in Washington that's a substance abuse thing they're actually in the city um and so that would that would be a good we could probably do that and they could actually show that it goes towards city residents and help with that. So, and we just think about we have decided
tonight, but that's coming. But I want to let you know that um this particular bottle here where it goid um so this is number 20. This is number 25. Yeah. So, this is number 25. She broke it open. Do not open. So,
it's it's time. It's time. Yeah. So, this is number 25. Remember I said that you so they in order to distribute this to distributor you can't do partial cases and 100 made a a case with only four in it not six. And so I had um I did all the the
engraving on the the tags. I bought the tags. I bought the the twine um and the machines to do all that. I got significant investment in that to make it a nice product or whatever. And so they they sampled out four of the bottles to me um to kind of compensate
for that. Um and so I secured number 25 because 1925 2025 is the year. So and I'm going to donate this bottle to the city that we can keep in the case out there. So this is the city's bottle. So it's not to be drank. No, you have a bad day, you don't get to
open the bottle. So any forthcoming I wanted to share that with you. That's This is a city's body. We put in a case. Put the camera right back in case that comes up missing on it. Yeah. In case of emergency break glass
and uh and with that I just he said, "Oh, by the way, the fire department, God bless him, they're going to retrain the staff with CPR. And so if any of the elected officials would like to refresh your CPR class, there's
an email going around with the dates, Tom. I know that. Yeah, I can forward it. I'll forward it to you and then I'll pass on the council. Is that going to be where? Next week at the fire station. Yeah, we're also doing on city employees. Yeah. Yeah, the city employees. Yeah.
It's next week. We don't have dates yet. Huh? We don't have dates yet. It's on my computer. I not the one who's You already shut it down. Just forward out to us. Yeah, I'll forward it out to you guys. You'll see the uh the email. I don't want to speak for the the guy that's doing the instructing of the class.
That I'm looking for a motion to I can't take it from you. Motion to adjourn. Okay. Motion to second. Second. All in favor signify saying I. I. All right. Now, y'all get out of here.