right do order city of Port rich city council meeting Tuesday February 11 2025 like main stand for the pledge so father God we just come to you and we want to ask for wisdom as the stuff that's going
to be on the agenda toight as we seek uh to discuss with what the city is doing I thank you for the city and for the wisdom that you've given them to lead and serve your people as we come together to counsel the matter so I
thank you that uh on Redevelopment and land and stuff and the code enforcement and stuff that uh everything's going to be processed to help the community to grow and to be together and with the new development and the water and the sewer
and everything that we need to make this a great place to work play and live and do business so I thank you for that in the precious name of Jesus Amen United States of America and to the for it stands one nation under God
indivisible with liy and justice for Mr clerk could I have a ro please Mayor John Eric Hoover here vice mayor Linda Rodriguez here councilman David Mueller let the record show that councilman David Mueller is absent from tonight's meeting councilman Robert hubard here
councilwoman Lisa Burke here City attorney Nancy Meyer here city manager Matthew coper here thank you uh first up we've got two sets of minutes uh looking for motion for the October 22nd 2024 City Council meetings City approves
motion to approve the council minutes from 10222 second 24 2 oh sorry it says 25 up there I'm sorry yes 24 got second uh any for discussion all in favor say5 saying I I
oppose motion carries I look for motion for November 12 2024 motion to approve Council minutes from 11224 second have motion second for discussion all favor 6y by saying I I oppose motion carries next up comments
from the general public I do have a few signed up we'll start with Danny Fields my name is Danny Phils and my address is 8114 Leo kid happen new there in Port Richie uh first thing I want to thank you and again for your service I
want to thank you that that you took a a minute of silence for my my wife she was a great woman and I appreciate everything she poured into my life she made me a better Christian a better man a better uh dad and a grand
Grandpa and better uh for the serving people and serving the community as not only a servant but as a leader so I see that in you guys too we know what it is to lose a loved one we will be having a celebration for my wife at light of the
world Tabernacle 8114 that will be February the 22nd from 11: to 12 you guys are invited I know we have the bowling stuff coming up from 2: to 4: or 5 or whatever it is so if you could stop in that would be great it's uh it's an
hour it's just to talk about what she's done not only in the community with somebody cares but also standing behind me supporting me uh doing what I do in the community and for our families and for uh for America and so I I thank you
for that and uh you know we do have other events come up as well we got at that same address light of the world on February 19th uh at noon time we're going to have Richard wil he's going to be in on the Sabbath and he's going to be speaking on
intercessor prayer how we pray the seven mountains influence which is talking about praying for you guys praying for government praying for the federal state and local government so you know everything to me starts with prayer and God helps us and gives is wisdom and
guidance and you've hear me pray that here with you guys as well and uh and he helps us and uh and together we could have a multitude of counselors is what you do and then and we could make the right decisions we sometimes we we got
to listen to other people's voices and make votes on it just like we do in the church and sometimes you know I don't get my vote and that's okay and so I thank you guys for that we will be uh coming up uh also at the Oasis Coffee
Spot which is a on Little Road and uh starting uh yeah I'm trying to just not cry here cuz I I come here and I was like I'm going to be strong you know but it's hard it's definitely hard do you know to try to keep your opposer when
when when your heart's broken and I look at you guys and I appreciate you so just just bear with me thank you sure and uh you know like I said my wife was my great encourager she you know they call me the
Weeping preacher anyway so you know I kind of mode but that's okay that's just who God created me to be so we're going to be seeking God for the city praying the seven mountains influence again and that's going to be if I could see I got my eyes all watered up there
um March the 5th and we'll end up at uh the County Commissioners over there uh and doing a service there so I'll announce more of that later thank you and bless you all in Jesus name okay thanks and again our deepest consult is from City your wife we keep p in our
prayers okay thank you uh next up we have Pat Rogers welcome so Pat signed up you signed up for two things um we you think G need both both set three minutes go yeah we'll uh we'll give you a little bit of time it's it's not
necessarily we're good yep well first some reason last year we got a little bit behind on doing our reports for the events in the park so this is for 2024's events on behalf of somebody cares we thank you for the continued relationship
we have with Port Richie in 2024 we partnershi for an easter event a backpack giveaway a fall festival and a CHR Christmas Outreach to the community a special thanks to the Port Richie Police Department the fire department and the volunteer fire department for
for their time hats stickers candy and Christmas gifts their Outreach to the children of this community we logged in over 1900 volunteer hours including food and drinks backpacks and stuffing the contents of them totaling over
$31,000 last year and we look forward to a continued partnership with the city of Port Richie and the fire and police departments and pray that we have been and can continue to bless our community thank you thank you did you
have something else too personal person I have a rental house on Limestone that was my very first ever house bought it in 71 but anyway I came in the city to see about what I needed for permitting to get it fixed up after
the storm and was told that it was scheduled for demolition I didn't know anything about it didn't receive any letters Valerie did tell me that a certified letter was sent out but seeing as I'm not living in my house right now I never got it so I had asked for some
leniency so the contractor can get all his numbers together and get the permit so that's basically why I'm here and it's the 4838 Sunset no that's my house 4841
Limestone did um well so we followed the rules within our our code so even though she claimed she didn't receive it you know we we have evidence it was delivered to the proper address remember that for 30 days we have a very large
sign that says this house is under slum and blight and it was actually there for longer than 30 days and we had pictures of it it was there for longer than 30 days because it started before the storm and we did it for a period after the storms as well so I I understand that
she feels she wasn't well notified but again we followed everything within the code well I within that 30-day period She had the opportunity to file for an appeal and I believe she had conversations with
people about this during that that period as well um and so she didn't follow that the code doesn't you know allow unless you guys vote not to do it there's there's no way around this and again I don't know how you vote now
because it's outside the the period in the code and it's not this is not the proper form really have the conversation but no the the um the code was followed the appeal time has run um the remedy is really not with Council i' I'd like to know who signed for the letter we count
gonna do this yeah we can't talk about here P anyway that's that's the whole thing I didn't I never got it so okay thank you I'm looking for any leniency I can get thanks that's all signups I have show hands anybody else like to speak
see I bring it back uh next up is uh com from city manager P Mr cop for his comments thank you very much good evening everyone I have a number of things on my list here to talk out first off I wanted to notify Council that last week uh we submitted a storm water
master plan Grant to uh fdm Florida Department of Emergency Management through their Watershed their Watershed plan program if I'm not mistaken um we requested $150,000 of a $200,000 total project um
we hope to hear sometime in the very near future whether uh we're going to be granted that particular Grant and this is going to be the the backbone of practically everything we do with storm water um as well as looking at our
resiliency and Coastal management efforts going down the road um we had appropriated $50,000 within this year's budget we knew that that would only get us so far in the process and we're kind of planning on breaking it down over the next few years anyways um but this gets
us to where you want to go very quickly um so hopefully uh we'll get that the way that they're awarding it they're going to just keep going down the list um of those are accepted until the money runs out so we hopefully will get successful for that I'll let you
know as soon as we here um something else that we've been working on uh is with the Army Corp of engineer and so this started probably November I think uh actually Pasco County engaged the Army Corps of
Engineers um and included the the city of Port Rich Richie and looking at uh efforts to get funding through the cap section 103 program and this is basically uh projects that help
Waterfront areas due to storm surge primarily and so we've had a number of different meetings with the Army Corps it resulted in both the county and the city uh submitting letters of interest to push them to go to the next step in
the cap program which is to fund a small study on whether whether this warrants any any that the state or excuse me the federal government can do um so we're in the first phase which is the letter of interest they've submitted it uh we hope
to hear back sometime in the near future that um we've been determined to have a federal interest in the improvements we talked about and to let you know the improvements we talked about are all of our lift stations that were flooded this
past uh storm season um as well as our canals that have been impacted due to the uh um as well as uh some of the you know when we have a couple areas right now
that actually on a on a blue sky day could be flooded so Sunset Boulevard Bay Boulevard uh some parts of Old Post Road and we we kind of threw that or I I threw that in there um hoping that we
would be able to to kind of shoehorn it in and get them to look at it they actually started getting more interested in that part of the project because that's not a 103 it's a 20 20 205 section 205 Pro project the straight um which is riverine flooding who would
have known um but anyhow uh we stand a possibility of actually having two projects come out of this now uh one to address the storm surge issues which primarily are going to be our fire department um and our lift stations and
then the riverine flooding which really is that blue sky flooding we experience on Sunset Boulevard as well as uh Bay Boulevard so we will wait to hear from them hopefully uh it will warrant their interest and we'll start a study to see
what kind of funding is available for that um want to let you know that uh we have met with a developer that's interested in the crime in property crime in property ver is they're adjacent to Walmarts at the end of Richie Drive um this is kind of an
interesting issue because it currently is zoned as a PUD but we can't find what that PUD was nor can we find what it was owned prior to the Pud so it's it's given us some complexity to get this done um our
workaround is basically they're going to come in and rezone it anyways um because we don't know what the Pud was and what they're looking to put in is about a 100 plus uh Fe simple Town Homes um I don't have and I would have provided you a
drawing to that but we don't have that yet what they've given us needed to be redone um so as soon as I get that I will'll share that with you so you can kind of see what they're thinking it's it's approximately 20
acres so that's 20 per AC so yeah they're they're well within yeah they're well within because the one of their big issues is they have substantial Wetlands on that property and so if you think of it from this way the property that they're really going to be developing is
what's up against the Walmart property and what's up against the Richie drive right away I mean that's that's where their development is really going to be it's kind of an L-shaped along there then the rest will be some somehow in conservation but they're have to deal
with that uh they are at the point where they're confident that they'll have something submitted to uh Planning and Zoning uh within 90 days and we ask them that they start that process well before the 90 days because
we like to get it through um you know the the internal reviews we need to do so when they have the package it's a package that's going to be clean that's going to go right to planning hopefully get through that process but I think it it again based on what they're saying what they've shown
us thus far I think it would be a good development um and improve that area based on what's there also uh had a meeting uh with the developer that is looking at our Waterfront um not a lot to say about it
other than you know they are still committed to move forward with that project uh our understanding they're going to be closing probably within the next two to three weeks um and uh they're starting to collect the information necessary to put together
the the the resoning application that's ultimately going to have to happen um don't really have a good understanding when that is going to be but I know they are progressing and working towards that development we did submit everything to
the state for their final okay on it hope to hear back from the state anytime in the next two weeks once we receive that it'll be 31 days before it takes effect and then the last thing uh I had mentioned that uh our finance director
was going to do a brief update on where we stand financially something that we will do on a quarterly basis um since we're doing the second meeting of the month for Department reports I expect this the first meeting of the month
generally will be right after the quarter closes so we're a little bit late but that's okay if we can pull that up I will turn it over to Adam for a brief update I'm a man of
words Adam Thompson 633 Ridge Road tell a joke three priests we're in a no okay can't sing though huh Ring of Fire that's all I know that song and you know why he's doing that is because he is one of the individuals
responsible for the Johnny Cash portion of the yeah if we can't find nobody it'll be me running around there and I'm pretty cheap yeah we can get some black Dy we can do
that yeah so this is going to be pretty quick um you know I could stand here and talk for the next four hours about money but I'm going to make this kind of quick so just an introduction this is just airly where we're at at this moment I do want to point out that even though we're
in well this went up to January um we don't really count October because October all of the revenue and stuff we reive for October we always a month behind so all that got shifted into last fiscal year so we really working on uh just three months of Revenue and expend
Revenue mostly so just talking about the state of the budget we're going to talk about storm and disaster relief what we spent so far and where we're at with that real quick and then what's new and what's changing the finance department it's going to be really really quick and then going forward we have some really good things that are happening over
there so next so this is our Revenue um can't really you know I'll just kind of tell you the the red is uh what we've expended so far in the fiscal year the green is our appropriated money and then the I want to say that's blue blue is
how much of the Appropriations we still have yet to come so we are actually in pretty good shape the red is kind of high in the general uh general fund because we you'll see it's in general fund and in the uh Utility Fund because we expended a lot of money towards uh salaries and stuff for the hurricane
cleanup and things like that but where we're at right now we're actually in a pretty decent shape so when you when you look ahead at your your uh your budgets uh there's really not a whole lot I could say that we're going to be loss in you there's no loss right now I I wouldn't say there's a whole lot of
goodness coming we haven't really received any of our uh state revenue sharing and stuff like that yet so that'll start coming in the next couple of months so we'll see that uh those uh revenues rise so the FEMA reimbursement stuff is not on it no for you reimbursement we did receive some
reimbursement from prior storms in this fiscal year they're in there in the miscellane or in the hurricane uh fund but they're not really yeah we haven't received anything from uh Helen or Milton yet but you've got it approved right so that we'll talk about that if you don't mind when we get to the hurricane stuff because it's a it's a
quirky thing okay so but this is just the revenues they're kind of on point where we need to be right at this moment uh we've gotten uh you know a little bit of this and really all I'm focused on in these things is just the general fund the CRA fund um the uh penny for Pasco Utility Fund and storm water fund so you
go to the next one and this is our expenditures again the red is what we've expended so far uh the the purple is our budgeted and the blue is what's left out of that budgeted amount that we have yet to spend and again you can see um a lot
of that I kind of got ahead of myself the first one a lot of that is just our salaries and stuff that's in there it's going to stop there yeah so the red and the blue together that's our total expected the total purple is the total annual that's our appropriated funds in
that correct m what we've incurred a date or received a date or booked a date yeah with this yeah it's what we've what we've booked a date what we've and that blue bar would really be stacked on top of that so
yeah and and actually you're just forcing that to be the total yeah okay yeah so and again you can see um the CRA we received the funds from the county we moved our money over um so we're I mean
at this point point I wouldn't be I wouldn't be tooo on any one of these funds be like oh gosh we got to cut cut cut uh even though we do know there's uh there's money from the uh from the hurricane that we've expended and once we receive some of that funds back from FEMA we'll we'll cover those uh those
overages so go to the next one yeah because I guess the general fund and Utility Fund the halfway point expense right but uh we still got yeah so we've we've only received three months of Revenue but we've had four months of expenditures in there and really a whole lot of that in October November and a
little bit in December um so our hurricane cleanup um just kind of give you a heads up on that so we've we've pretty much uh paid most of our bills uh so this year out of the general fund we've expended so far about $139,000 in in Hurricane cleanup that
we've we've passed on to FEMA that we've done and I uh and in the Utility Fund not to mention the um the POS that we provided before uh from out of the uh previous fiscal year we've spend about $730,000 in this fiscal year and in that
for Hurricane cleanup um with that we'll talk about what we've done is is we've we've uh turned our or working on turning our money over or our expenses over for um for the hurricane we've uh asked for expedited a million dollars to be expended back to us as far as I know
uh I don't know if that's been approved yet or not so we we just um did final send in of everything so so we should be getting word back um so in the expedited we would get uh right
now whatever right now means to the federal government about 560,000 I think okay which is approximately 50% of what our total expedited project would be and the expedited project is really only the the
debris management side of this not the the work with uh lift stations and all those other things we did yeah we still have we still have outstanding in the utility department about 200 roughly about $240,000 in POS that we created for the lift stations and things like
that that's all included in that uh in that total of the 730 minus what we've we spent out last year so um yeah so the 500,000 we had asked for a million but I guess 500,000 the expedit processes designed that they'll give you
50% and then they'll do the final review of everything you submitted and then as long as everything's meets their standard they'll they'll give you the rest um you know we're gener you know my my thought of expedited means like earlier on they
would have gotten US money but the reality is that we've been done now since mid mid well mid mid December I guess um so they got everything from us and they've reviewed everything so we should be in pretty good shape of getting the other half of that as
well but again who's to say yeah so for I I want to say we were right at that million dollar Mark when we added up all of our almost 1.2 million yeah so it was uh it was quite a bit and as you all know we
we uh we took out $500,000 each out of our investment account to kind of cover that so we'd be deeper in a hole had we not done that right now so but we'll we'll get that back and then you guys can decide what youall want to do with that we can either cover the overages and the salaries and other things that
we expended or put it back in the investment account that's up to you guys and and I think one of one of the things be more after the second quarter the fiscal second quarter is we'll be coming back with a budget amendment to account for because what we don't want to do is
punish this year if we don't have to um and right now we're punishing this year because if you look at especially the overtime we have a lot of overtime that's uh been spent in in public works and uh water sewer utilities because of
the work from the storms that wasn't accounted for in the budget when we put the budget together and those are all going to be expected to be reimbursed at some point from from uh FEMA so what we'll come back with is you know by then we should have everything submitted so
we should be well on the way of knowing we're going to be getting that money we'll do an increase in the revenue you know from the federal uh government uh grants and then we'll increase you know in the expenditure side for that so it kind of wipes it out so it doesn't
impact what uh we should be doing on a regular basis and also me and Mr kler has been talking about you know one way to head this off is is I think in the code I'm pretty sure in the code I think we were talking we're supposed to have a 3%
disaster relief um fund so that we can H tap into that instead of using um the general fund money or the you know Enterprise fund money so I think going forward when we when we do that budget amendment we may start with that but also in next budget season or cycle
we'll we'll add to it not maybe 3% but maybe a little bit more if we can handle that because I think it's really important to have that there and we you know we we don't have to come to you guys and say hey can we borrow from the investment account we have those Monies to um to do what we got to do with it and it'll also cover that overtime and
stuff like that but as far as hurricane clean up again we're just waiting on fem to come back with that the city's in in pretty decent shape and again we're just going to try to uh plan and prepare for that financially going forward which we should be doing anyway so we'll do that any questions on
that yes okay uh in that event occurred in last fiscal year was there any attempt to estimate those recovered uh uh all the trash clean up and all that and park it in Prior year so we parked
several uh $100,000 POS from the previous fiscal year to accommodate that so it was kind of like right on that precipice of of the new fiscal year so what we did was we we parked I want to say I want to say probably close to $300,000 out of the
previous fiscal year that rolled into this fiscal year with the with the PO but yeah we paid for about $300,000 of that cleanup out of last fiscal year and then we had the the uh then the other hurricane hit so it it kind of was so the cruel
itself was done in this fiscal year I get that but the event occurred that caused the liability and attached to 2024 okay or what it last year right so
wouldn't it be prudent to estimate what that recovery would be that million one and park it into 2024 well I I think the amount of of that million and one came out of was in the new fiscal year I mean I think it
would be I I know we paid it this year I'm talking about the the work itself I mean you were so close to that end of that fiscal year and again we we did take $300,000 out of the budget of of of uh 2024 did the auditor go through that and say okay we have an event that was
clearly established in Prior fiscal year right so that damage should attach to that prior fiscal year and I'm wondering if they did they have any discussion about moving that back uh estimating and
moving it back in other words at that point in time you have a a loss that you need to declare but I think well I I think the problem is going to be with that is that we didn't have any idea at the time of the event happening what
those costs were going to be so when I mean while we can sit here and look back and say okay this is what it cost is when when the event happened you know what what we did do which which you know kind of addressed what you're saying and Adam said we did say okay we're gonna
we're g to create these purchase orders that freezes money from the current year and we spent that but I think from the auditor's perspective they're going to look at it from the standpoint of one the work was incurred or you know the the liability was incurred not until you
had contracts and work was was done and that happened after the start of the new asking yeah have they looked at that we have we we we talked about it and we talked about the PO situation and they were in agreeance that what what had
been done was was yeah for for that that's what I wanted to know yeah and I I think that if if it has happened probably in the beginning of September we'd be talking about something totally different here but I think it was so close to the end and we did most of that clean up in this new fiscal year that it was you know it
was uh you know and to go back and try to well it's an acrel right you know right and but this this makes it a lot cleaner we Clos that out and then we we come in here and we put everything in this year we're you know we're not we're not backtracking at
all so thank you anything else on the you can go to the next one um updates the finance so uh since uh since I got here there's been some uh you know the way we do things so uh we we've actually went back changed our processes
on how we input income or revenues and and how we uh also uh the PO system was really broke situation when you when I first got here and you look at it we were spending $400,000 a month um but only two POS were created um so what we've done is we've we've uh you know
talking to Mr coppler and and things like that we've we've decided hey POS have to be done it's it's a state statute it's a it's what we should have been doing I don't know why we got away from that so now we're we're po hungry now so everything has a PO to we have these open POS and things like that that we're really doing our only only issue
with that is is our system is so Antiquated it's really hard so like the POS from that I made in in 24 that we're trying to attach some of this to we can't really attach anything to it we have to go in and lower those POs create a new Po and kind of break it out that way so I can't attach like uh you know
clean up debris to one Po and then you know what we bought and whatever so it's it's being very very difficult so we are looking to to upgrade that but we have that also so our Revenue we were doing Revenue vouchers so all you're doing is just putting in a you're going into the system and putting in a you know
$800,000 ad valum tax with everything else so all you see is that $800,000 it's not broken down we actually have a system we pay for that allows us to go in there it's called you know we go in there we we we make batches and I go in there every month and I put in aderium and I put in you know um uh penny for
Pasco money so it's broken down so that whenever you look at it now it's not going to just say Revenue voucher 800,000 when you pull it you can actually see what was actually incurred in that month and in that batch or whatever so those things are making it cleaner when I first got here reconciling the bank accounts I could never get it down to to zero you're
talking 880,000 100,000 that you can attribute to certain things but the way we're doing Journal vouchers was also um absolutely crazy when you have a $400,000 journal or not $400,000 but $280,000 for for payroll and trying to Cipher what's been paid out of that is
is very difficult so right now like I I balanced uh yesterday I'm only about you know I'm still at 23,000 versus 100,000 I've been for the last three months and we can attribute that I can actually go back and find that 23,000 into some payroll liabilities that haven't been paid yet so we're on the right track of
making sure that our money is being tracked and and spent responsibly uh with these new items so um it's getting better it really is you go to the next one um yes like what you're doing here Adam
and I think you know you're getting a handle on some of this stuff um you had a a revenue and expenditure slide uh I'm thinking ultimately we're just squeezing the number so that we balance back to
the budget because that's what you're authorized to spend right right but at the end of the day we know it lands somewhere else and as we get closer to the end of the year I'd like to see this stuff net and more importantly let's forecast what our remaining revenue is
actually going to be rather than just subtracting what we've incurred and what we've booked you know or so that that's what that I do that anyway so I I take a look at it and I say okay we're supposed to make a million dollars how much are we you know break that down into 12 months right you know it's like our red
light camera situation um when you look at it it's it's we're not where we need to be at this point in in the year because we we're not booking as much money as we should be per month um I think uh I think this month we booked uh
hold on I think it was like $132,000 $1 136,000 and I think that's pretty good it is pretty good and it's actually one of the highest since I've been here but the thing is is to get where our budget needs to be we need to be a couple thousand dollars more than that but last month wasn't it was a slow
month it was Christmas you know or well I say last month but December it was slow um we're getting there it just needs needs to be a little bit better so we look at our process and say okay how do we get that correct because we make this budget based off of we we've grown you know percentage wise for the last five or six years there's just no reason
we should be not making that same amount of money you know now I know there was a hiccup last year we we found that problem and fixed it but we're still you know in that we're still not getting where we need to be with it and then that's when we have to look at it and see but I think barring that uh
everything else has been right on par where we need to be so I'm pretty satisfied okay anything else questions that was good okay next up are get anything else that's it okay thank you so next up is
comments from boards committees do we have any updates from any the board committees yesterday fortunately I was unable to attend so I don't yeah they have quum so they didn't didn't me um the uh obviously we're U with the
Centennial committee we're meeting month weekly now um because got so much going on um the we finalized some um uh event flyers and so those being pushed out I think we're creating some
events did we we didn't have any update from the city on sign up stuff did we on the tool we were that uh job forms or whatever do we clarification on that was going to use that for some of the signups what the
job forms we can use it we just you know it's the financial piece that we can't use okay that was I think I mentioned that last time yeah so we're looking at ways to to take those signups basically for the events question just
comment um talk to my couple of my neighbors about some of the events coming up that they had idea of what was going on so two of them are suggested why don't they why don't we send out like a postcard with the dates with everything that yall plan on
doing so that they can plan in advance um they they don't know I mean I can't tell them I tell them look at the website but you they're all busy right they don't have that ability so some of them want to attend some of the stuff but we uh we meet tomorrow um we bring
it up commit see if that's something we can do like a half a sheet of postcard something date what it is contacto maybe or something like that that way maybe you for participation yeah um
the updates how do you have the latest update on the um sponsorship I think we're up to about 32 33,000 I think uh with with the inine we're at $ 32,2
something5 so Cashwise what we had uh is 29,200 okay so just shy 30,000 said one today yeah and tomorrow be looking at um shirt design with sponsors on the
back and anything else out yeah we're at 15 sponsors total uh between actual um monetary sponsorship and inine um I'm back and forth with the t-shirt company you know as far as sponsorship so you know as a committee
we're going to have to discuss if we're going to do a cut off um because obviously once shirts are printed you know we can't add anyone else to them so um they are I just sent back um some more information today from the sponsors that we just attained so they're going to be sending us uh new proofs for the
shirts so um hopefully I should have them tomorrow for the committee to review um also um you know we have to talk about you know the banners uh what we're going to do for them and then you to okay so you have more
Comm Pat Rogers 4838 Sunset Boulevard as the chairman of the board of adjustments I think we missed a meeting last year where we needed to appoint a new chairman or or reappoint me because
of the storm you know things would got a little crazy and so I would just request that we get a meeting scheduled sometime for the existing board so we can at least stay on top of what we need to do
yeah who SS that that you for Ashley to set up just me cool thank you anything else okay Mo you consent agenda no moving to the Tampa Bay Regional C
Council um meeting that Matt and I attended yesterday they had a lot of good information on uh impacts from Debbie Helen and Milton uh we captured that information uh they've got staff that are able to help facilitate some of
our concerns and uh potentially our Development Services Group will uh reach out to them and work with them but they are having a summit uh on May 15th and 16th uh um that I've discussed with uh
Carl and that committee and potentially having some of our Council attend that uh we do get I think we get one seat um as a member of the council one person can go but uh the kinds of topics that
you're talking about uh especially with the floods and the damage from the storm and Coastal resiliency um I think it would benefit all of us to looked at U really attending in and and really learning
that have people from staff people from Council and people from that uh resiliency committee attend and try to make some contacts and and get some information and it's very would be very useful for some of the flood damage that's been
been going on in the community south of us um they've had some discussion with ISL as have have I uh with some of these rules that they placed and potentially looking at relaxing some of them to uh
help people get back in their homes and that kind of thing so uh I think it's something we need to consider um and you know I think it's um what's it 400 400 a person to go so I know we probably have
some funding available in TR in training uh this would probably would be an event that would be worthwhile that we me and you went to last year y strongly encourage everyone to go you have those two days or even just the
first day I think really the second day most of the second days is taken up by their their resiliency awards that they do um but the first day there was a lot of good information I think that that you know was appliable to things that we
were we've been talking about um and will be talking about so I think if if you're available one or two of those days let me know you signed up it's in Tampa right no this time no what's the dates again 15th and 16th
of May May um and and that's not that bad of a drive from here it's probably an hour and a half you say p petto yeah and it's at the Palmetto Marriott Resort on 41 Thursday 8:00 a to 5:00 p.m Friday 8:
a.m to 2:30 anything else okay next up consent agenda for motion motion to approve the consent agenda for February 11 motion second further discussion we approve the minutes already yeah
yeah any further discussion no any public comment see I bring it back for a vote all in favor CI by saying I I I opposed motion carries uh next up we have two public hearings um and they both uh one they both align with each
other obviously one is the um the future land use map and then the the rezoning of that parcel um so I open up the public hearing now um we be staff to present anything right want let the record be clear that this already heard
right right yes so we I heard this at our last meeting at first reading yeah and so I don't think Tammy's on right so nothing for staff that we need anything from applicant okay any public comment okay so then I'll close the
public hearing and I'll have Nancy Reed by title it number three okay ordinance 2579 an ordinance of the city council the city of Port Richie Florida amending the comprehens of plan future land use map to redesignate partial ID 32 25162
8110 0200 parcel ID 32256 0280 0110 023 and partial ID 32256 0280 011
00231 containing 0.98 Acres more less from residential to commercial mixed use and providing for an effective date okay I open up for a motion or discussion motion to approve ordinance
25709 second okay motion second any further disc discussion see I put to a vote all in favor 65 by saying I I opposed motion carries and except I'm number four You by title ordinance 25710 an ordinance of the city council of the city of Port
Richie Florida amending the officials Z running map to redesignate partial ID 32256 02811 0 0200 parcel ID 32216 0280 011
0230 and parcel ID 32256 0280 011 0 0231 containing 0.98 Acres more last from R2 to family residential to C3 General commercial and providing for an effective date yeah just to
clarify this is without restriction correct yes yeah so open up the floor motion discussion I just have a discussion where uh the first line whereas yes should that not say as trustees M does m says
at it's not the major but oh yeah mine says as yeah her says that at trustees page 79 yes M says where says at Trustees for there's right
there it says down the bottom of this page first scroll she's on 20 is that 29 or 79 is that the last one let me look that's a different I think she's looking at a different version because her page is 29
Gordon is 2579 it does say at trustees that's that's fine it's a script here it's not not a problem but okay thank you for pointing it out okay okay for a motion and or discussion motion to approve ordinance
2579 7 710 710 maybe that's why I was looking at the 710 second okay motion second any further discussion all in favor CI by saying I I opposed motion carries okay next up is Council business item number five approval of resolution 25-2 for the
city sign and apply for the state revolving fund loan to finance the planning and design of pable water plant facility I'll pass it to Mr cop for reduction as mayor and council is aware we've received a uh planning Grant loan
which will be 100 100% forgivable of $4.25 million to uh do the planning and design for a portable portable water plant facility um as part of that is we have to fill out the loan application um
and we need authorization from the city council to do so okay open the floor motion discussion motion to approve resolution 25-2 second give a motion second any further discussion any public
comment see none I bring it back for a vote all in favor 65 by saying I I I opposed motion carries next up item number six first reading of ordinance number 25- 711 amending Article 1 division one chapter 109 to update the flood plane management regulation of City Port Richie I'll pass that first Mr
C for introduction so uh we're back in discussing chapter 109 uh the last time we talked about this there was quite a bit of conversation related to the um to the I can't remember what what
what we call that now the uh non conversion agreements yes yes I'm trying to forget it actually nonconversion agreements uh staff went back uh City attorney and uh
re Reid the the ordinance we sent it to the state and the other thing I guess we also talked about raising the uh base flood elevation from two feet to three feet currently it's one foot we originally had asked to go to two foot
Council during their discussion said let's move to three-foot both of these items went to the state for their review uh they gave us a few comments I don't think really related to those if I'm not mistaken um so we are good to go if
Council wishes to act on these okay if I if you can read by title if I will let me before I do that if I may if you look at page your page 545 through 546 um it came to my attention that there was a Florida statute that addressed
um this City's ability to limit temporary shelter when the governor declares a state of emergency um so that has been added to be consistent with Florida statute um it it's all the r writing on those two pages um it's pretty much just mimicking um Florida
statute 166 0335 which allows in certain circumstances for um temporary shelter in this case um recreational vehicles um and some other things that that are defined by Statute um to stay on the
property for up to 36 months when certain conditions are being met while they're rebuilding their home so that's been added um so that not only does it talk about the FEMA guidelines but this is specifically to an the governor declares a state of emergency I'll Me by title okay
ordinance 25711 and ordinance of the city of Port Richie Florida amending Article 1 division one chapter 109 to update the datea of the study to support the city's basis for establishing flood Hazard areas to remove the requirement to evaluate previous permits and substantial Improvement and substantial damage determinations in Article 1
division 3 chapter 109 update definitions in Article 2 Division 2 chapter 109 to correctly defined appeal remove Declaration of land restrictions and modify the definition of substantial damage and substantial Improvement for consistency with modification made in Article 1 division 3 chapter 109 add
more stringent requirements in article 3 Division 1 chapter 109 to one increase the minimum building elevations on residential and non-residential buildings two limit contents within an enclosed area three address flood proofing and Foundations in coastal a zone four require registered design professionals to design dwelling
foundations and five require anchoring and elevation of replacement equipment amending article 3 division 5 chapter 10 109 to allow the use of temporary shelters for stent to section 16 3.03 35 Florida Statutes And to clarify article 3 division 5 chapter 109 that
permanent placement of recreational vehicles and park trailers are is prohibitive prohibited providing a fiscal impact statement providing for severability providing for codification and providing for an effective date thank you Flo motion discussion um after we had this
discussion a couple meetings ago um I was talking to uh a couple people and I totally agree at that time about the um the form that people have to sign the say they're
not going to put anything on the first floor um that's going to put a lot of undo work on staff it's a it's it's not um saying they by not signing the form it doesn't say that they can do it
our code says you can't enclose the bottom floor that's the code correct no I don't think that's the code you can enclose the bottom floor but you can't make you can't put yes you can't make it a living space you have Breakaway walls yes well
yes you can have Breakaway walls or in a in a be Zone and AE Zone does not have to have breakway there's all kinds yes yeah yeah there's many different nuances to to the different areas and I acknowledge I think it's going to be less work on staff with that particular
thing not more explain to me that because because we're not asking people to file the form anymore right but they're still responsible for not making living area downstairs correct it puts it we're not asking the question
here then they can't they never could yeah only thing that's changed is that we're not going to force them to sign a document that says they won't to do additional work they were forcing people to sign that document and register it with the county correct as a deep
restriction limiting and that was done because of why because it was in our code that we had it we're taking it out of our code but was it was it a state recommendation or it was one of the was one of the things recommended the help with the arting the help with the rating and who
recommended that Veronica's not here so I can't the state was the state recommended it so it wasn't just something we we thought up it was a state recommendation it's it's in our code now and the way we had it in there was just for new certain degree right
now existing it wasn't there the way the code reads right now if you were coming in Seeking a permit to enclose that lower area you were required to sign the non-conversion agreement that was the only time what the state was recommending is that we ask for that no matter what you're coming in for you need a new roof great sign this non conversion agreement need a new window
great sign this non conversion agreement decision was made last time that not only are we not going to do that we want to remove what was already in the code and that's what's been done what did you feel was extra extra well it's all it's isn't the is it our building Department's
responsibility still to make sure that that they don't that that there's no living down there they code code and building have the same respons they still and she indicated if we see it we're going to deal with it so they still got to deal
with it but the point was is people were being made to sign this document and they're doing work on the second level of their home and it doesn't have anything to do with that predominantly that document was required when you
build a new property and an elevated property and say that you're not going to do that we have not been collecting that all no I know we we weren't doing it until the hurricane when the state recommended it I that that I that I acknowledge and I recognize that and I thought they were
used from what I remember Veronica saying was an educational piece that they like saying I got that they were told about it whe whether you did it or not after the fact is a is a say a mood point you know I mean it's still going to happen if you if you're
going to do it you're going to do it it was showing the state that we educated them that they're not supposed to that that is the state law I don't know it's just I I don't want to lose our rating I certainly don't want people to lose their insurance and and all of Port reaching not to be able to I know there
are many other things that will play into that that's just one piece of a large puzzle and I understand that I just don't want people to not be able to get insurance and buy and sell homes in Port riching I I I'm just a little for an educational piece of
paper there's no there's no benefit at all to to the resident to sign this agreement it just it puts additional teeth behind what's already there and it's it's just something else above and beyond like it can't do it anyway and um
it's uh it just attaches to the property and it I guess probably puts more teeth behind that actual action there probably is some some points associated with it but again I don't know what they are well there is points associated with it I what they were I don't know what I don't remember either so but okay I was
just concerned I don't want any body to be a not be able to buy or sell a home or or get insurance for their homes in the future I mean we're not making this for right now we're making this for the next 20 30 40 years so you know I'm looking forward and I don't want anybody to get in trouble not in trouble trouble
you know like financial trouble well the fact that we're raising the uh freeboard two feet also is going in a positive direction so point being is is we are intensely aware of things that are going
to impact our our community ring system right so I I think this series of hurricanes has basically made it U very apparent that we needed one do a better job and two we've taken steps to move in
that direction and I believe I don't think we're any case in a Jeopardy scenario um because we are making progress and I think that's what they want to see and you know FEA might
not even be around next week I I know maybe they'll be pushing that back to the states where it needs to go and Things Can Happen um in a different Manner and maybe faster better cheaper right so that's I just warn you on this that the
the responsibility for this stuff is with fdm f Florida department Emergency Management oh okay so unless they change you're not even if FEMA changes
you're not going to see a substantial difference in the way FL yeah unless the State of Florida changes which so there is there a motion motion to approve ordinance
25711 second okay motion second any further discussion any public comment sayak by for a vote all in favor signify by saying I I opposed no motion carries next up it number seven first read ordance number 25712 amending articles 1 two and five of chapter 10 C
appr cified codes I'll pass it to Mr C for introduction so this is the uh companion uh chapter of the code related to flood flood plane management uh before this a lot of these items were
actually cified in the chapter 10 and so one of the changes that fdm had recommended is that we put all the flood plane management information into one chapter and so what you're seeing with this is um effectively removing those
things that are related to what we put in chapter nine and chapter 10 pass n for if I may before I read I'll let you on your page 616 section 10- 397 that the new language is referencing
the provision I talked about in chapter 109 that's this following FL statute about once the governor declares a state of emergency that up to 36 months of temporary shelter um this needs to be referenced in in chapter 10 all six it talks about Recreation of vehicles so in
certain circumstances um they can stay longer than what's listed in chapter 10 okay ordinance number 25- 712 an ordinance of the city of Port Richie Florida amending article one of chapter 10 of the port reg code of ordinances to expand site tobr clean up requirements amend article two of chapter 10 of the
port regie code of ordinances to update and remove definitions to language explaining actions that are subject to code enforcement fines and penalties and to align the parameters of obtaining a permit by affid David with Florida building code amending section 10397 of article for consistency with Section
1.66 0335 Florida Statutes and amending Article 5 of chapter 10 of the port reg code of ordinances to align the requirements for address displays on Commercial and Residential Properties with the Florida building code providing for separability providing for codification and providing for an effective
date okay open up motion discussion yes on page number 606 there's a section in there about votes stocks pilings and talks about building
um within a third of the canal and each th but no that less than 10t from the center line there was some discussion a while back that uh I believe it was Mike the
Coast Guard Mike gett mentioned that that one3 is not a really true number and we probably need to get clarification on that um but I think there's a there's a side process going on I say if I could jump
in I didn't want interrupt you but um I currently working with Carl and your new building official to work on that issue along with our seaw wall issue and some other things are all connected um but I don't think you want to hold this up while we work on that I just want a clarification because I knew that was
going to be an issue um and then I also want do we address enforcement of that that's going to be that's going to be in your thing too okay all right that's good I'm okay with that and then the other part was this thing on the uh
address displays on page uh 608 um moving from 3inch numbers on your mailbox to 4 inch numbers on your mailbox is that going to be or people with 3in number is going to be
grandfather Dan moving forward okay yes no um if you'd like to go buy new ones you're more than welcome to no that's what I was trying to avoid right because everybody's got three in on there now and make sense
perf I'm good I did bring up on page 566 where talked about appraise value being 120% assess value I'd ask about um in our current calculation we're using the 15% based on what the county assessor's office is using based on our code it
looks like we have an additional 5% and so I don't know if there was anybody within that close that it might make a difference they went back and did the recalculation based on 120 yeah okay so they're they're basing their current
valuation 120 and so that that no matter of the change here that will still be the case um with that because it's in the past correct so if we if we once we pass second reading this is going forward yeah so that's a that's a positive thing for the community they're getting
another 5% on evaluation but we're striking it here but that would be going forward and it' be used it' be based on a whatever they put out like they put out 15% this time right um or you're still entitled to your own apprais right
yeah but I just want to make sure we were recalculating ours based on this past event at the 120% what's in our code now okay perfect is there a motion or discussion motion to approve ordinance number 25712 second okay motion second any
further discussion any public comment see none I bring back for a vote all in favor signy by saying I I I I oppose motion carries next up item number eight first read ordinance number 25- 729 City Port Richie Florida enacting Article 4 and chapter 18 of Port Richie code of
ordinances to address the prohibition of camping or sleeping providing a tent providing death definition providing cability providing for codification and providing for an effective date I will pass it to Mr C for introduction the council may be aware last July State Statute had
changed and on the public um requirements and so a lot of communities uh had went and made sure that their their prohibitions on camping on public property was uh Within the the
code that uh the state adopted we've looked at it and based upon the review by the City attorney the attached ordinance brings us into compliance to make sure this protected properly okay by tit yes ordinance
25729 at ordinance of the city of Port Richie Florida enacting Article 4 and chapter 18 of Port Richie code of ordinances to address the prohibition on public camping or sleeping providing intent providing definition providing for cability providing for codification and providing for an effective date okay
open up for a motion or discussion I do have a quick comment obious this is public property um I know we've I've had several complaints about the uh the individual that sleeps out on the corner of of I think it's Leo kid in Washington
um and because that's private property they there's nothing that they can do there so I didn't know if there was something in ordinance that we could um extend this not only to public sleep but we wouldn't allow it on private either and I don't know if that's something we can do or not do or it's not your
property to regulate private I mean right but we we regulate we don't allow people Park boats in the front yard stff like that do we want people sleeping in the front yards even it's private property I guess is the question well is that really is it really private property because it's EA he's in the EA technically public
property sidewalk no you got to ride away that's public proper yeah I I'm not sure I've never gone out there and measured exactly where where that individual is sleeping so could be on private property or could be on public property but I
think it's something that on the light pole what's that he leans on the light pole yeah at times but his his Camp is sometimes more into the bush there and I'm just not sure again where that is I think two things one if it's on private property the the property owner has the
right to trust to do that um but again I think it's something that our police department does go out on a continuous basis and speak with the individual try to help them get the the help and move them to different places and I think it
works for a few days um he's been there years years years you have no place to put and he sleeps in the woods and on private property he can sit on the side of the road and that's what he's doing he's not sleeping there he sleeps in the woods so and where you going to put him
is not illeg Al to to sit on the side of the road I know I know the residents in the area are if reached out several times about they're tired of seeing it and you know it's I think they they have empathy for the individual but um you know they still don't want it to see that I think people that don't know
because a lot of people in that area know he's been there five six years they know I think but they don't know a lot of times think that maybe he is UN alive you know when he's laying out like that then they think he's un alive and that fli people
out any I just know we were talking about that know if there's something that we could put in there to because we don't want people s put out in their yards so we don't people sleep in in their yards huh we don't want people sleep in in their yards I wouldn't think so I mean a if you put a tent out or
something like that your private property that's that's okay but this is I think the remedy for that because it's private property is a trespass from that owner of that property okay yeah that would be the proper remedy which is aot is applying to the parks the city parks
and no that's said I just because they reach out so many times I just wanted to bring that up is there a motion or discussion motion to approve ordinance number 25729 second I believe they second so oh
sorry you first I'm still sorry I'll be sorry if I want to be sorry okay a motion in a second is there any further discussion any public comment see none I bring back for a vote all in favor signify by saying I I I opposed
motion carries next up item number nine first reading ordinance number 25- 730 of City Port Richie Florida amending chapter 113 article 3 of P code of ordinances to up police and fire impact fees remove offsite definitions correct scrier error providing for separability providing for codification and providing
for effective date I'll pass it to Mr cop for introduction so uh last September seems so long ago now um we had Stant Consulting Services present to the city council their findings on the proposed update to the impact fees for police and fire the study was conducted
because the impact fees for police and fire had not been updated since the early 2000s during that discussion city council agreed to increase the impact fees collected by the city on the following schedule and I included in my cover letter what the current uh
schedule is and then what the proposed schedule is for both police and fire and you can see that um there is a significant increase going on but is within the amount that we are allowed by State Statute to increase that and the
increase is actually happening over four years okay make a motion second 25730 ordinance of the city of Port Rich Florida amending article 113 article 3 of the cour regie code of ordinances to update the place and fire impact fees remove obs definitions corrects R's error providing for
severability providing for codification and providing for an effective date okay motion discussion make a motion um to uh approve the 2530 first reading Amendment amending chapter 113 article 3 in
relation to police and fire fees okay I yes you want see second first not i apolog y is there a second yes okay motion at second any further discussion yes just a question um proposed schedule for fire police per unit so if you have if you're building
five units it's going to be your fee $212 per unit if you're building a, units it's $212 per thousand for for every right I just want to make sure that people are aware okay thank you yeah so on the same
line so it seems like the the single family homes are the the most expensive what's I guess what's the rationale is I guess it's been like that so it must be a rationale behind it I'm just curious why a multif family would be cheaper because they're all in the same
place well it's it's the I guess when you look at it from the standpoint of each of these different so you know when you go to multif Family Mobile Home commercial residential you're getting smaller units than than a home so the
thought is that a house may have five people in it multif family generally has less than than the number of people so the impact that you're having is going to be greater with a single family home than an individual unit on on the
development right so if you're doing aund more likely to have a hundred multif family units then you are a hundred single family homes and these are I for unit right yeah so yeah that's make sense I guess
yeah so if it's a so in case let's say it's a duplex that multif family would be 67 times two so it would be higher than a single family I got you okay so I got a motion second any further discussion any public comment see none bring back for a vote all in
favor signy by saying I I I opposed motion carries next up is item number 10 first read of ordinance number 25- 731 of the City Port Richie Florida amending chapter 113 article two of Port Richie code of ores rename the new development fair share contribution Road improvements to Transportation impact
fee replace calculation of the fair share formula with a transportation impact fee schedule uh increase Transportation impact fees providing for stability providing for codification and providing for an effective date pass it to cop for introduction so this is a little bit more complicated um because
right now within our code we don't call it a transportation impact fee we call it a fair share fee and they are two different animals um according to the state so what we're doing is we are changing what we do related to the fair
share and turning it into a transportation impact fee so the changes replace the previous fair share formula with a fixed impact fee schedule and increases the transportation impact fees the amendments are based on a 2024 study by Stanek Consulting Services Inc which
recommend these updates to ensure new development contributes contributes equitably to road infrastr infrastructure cost the ordinance also clarifies that Transportation impact will apply to all new land developments that generate traffic and will be used exclusively for Road Network
improvements including new Lanes traffic signals and RightWay Acquisitions ordance also establish roles for fee collection impact assessment and refund eligibility if funds remain unused after specific paring again all that lines up with what state statute says we have to
do when we uh create these impact fees um this process is a little bit more lengthy or a little bit more work than uh the police fire uh we will be establishing what the fees are in a separate
resolution um and I don't know if the timing is during the second reading right after the second so the second reading uh we'll be bringing forward that resolution that then lays out what the the costs are and we've included in your packet what those proposed costs
are again based upon what Stan Tech did during their uh their study and that actually got left out of the packet so you have a print out of what the resolution the resolutions in your packet the exhibit a that shows the numbers was left out of the packet and those are the numbers from Stant it's
just in a exhibit a chart so this is their example this isn't what we plan on going we haven't made a determination well that no that will be what goes with the and that's again based upon stant's uh study of what what our fee
should be so I do have a question looking at this along the lines ER say um the single family home the the current fee is 763 um 87 multif family is
36776 and the mobile home is 576 and. 75 so I'm kind of three totally different fees and it continues throughout the projection up to 2028 but why would a multif
family or a single family be different from a mobile home because it's still a in such so significant because usually mobile homes aren't I'm sorry to interrupt no is generally as much living space probably well you could have a small you
could have a thousand foot single family home as well as uh single family I guess they're all driving a vehic right or two or whatever maybe there's more Vehicles driven in a single family home than there is a mobile home that'd be my guess I believe they base these um
analysis on Transportation studies so my guess is the transportation studies would show a a mobile home is not a permanent structure single family home one at a time go ahead Nancy single family home probably on average has more Transportation more cars coming back and
forth than one it's a single mobile the home not the whole park you're looking at the one mobile home there's probably less back and forth with vehic traffic based on studies from they don't make them Transportation studies that's what they base it on so it's that's why I was asking because I mean like you a normal
household single family dwelling has two adults and children that usually don't drive until for a while and right mobile home have two adults a husband and you know two people and so that's why I was just curious I was comparing trying to compare apples to apples that it just
doesn't seem to compare I will get you I will get you that specific answer understand what I'm trying to ask no I understand I understand the multif family you know you have multiple people and and stuff I get that so but mobile home and a single dwelling to me is very
similar in well I I will say that that typically this this fee structure is is same everywhere where you see single family homes are going to be charged higher than than multi just you know I think generally the concept is that that
you know part of it is the number of of trips that you would expect from that single family home kind of going back to the thought that you generally have more cars in a single family home uh in apartments because again when they're talking multif family they're they're really not talking about your duplexes
they're talking about your complexes I wasn't talking about the multif family I was really comparing the single family to a mobile home unit yeah then a whole but then a whole Warehouse is 65 which probably has a whole lot 100 people work but that's per thousand square feet correct yes so
it's if it's 10,000 square feet it's $65 time 10,000 I don't have I don't have that specific answer but the multi family I get I understand multif family that I understand it was I was trying to compare single family to mobile home okay this is pretty much a standard
calculation I just for my know wanted to know why yes I based upon the facts and circumstances of our situ this is their recommendation yeah I have no problem with that I'm just trying to educate myself as to why they have two two
different fees sometimes it don't make sense I'm sure they can explain it I was just going to say that yes it's a recommendation from our consultant and for statute we aren't making up our own numbers we can't no I I I'm no problem with that so motion to approve
25731 I got Leisa for a second any further discussion any public comment so any I bring back for a vote all in favor signy by saying I I I opposed motion carries uh final Council business is it number 11 purchase request fir work
display for 58 2025 centennial celebration I pass it to Mr cop introduction so as part of the uh centennial celebration the committee wishes to do a fireworks display uh staff has gone out and uh issued uh
requests from different companies uh to get quotes for their different shows I think you'll find on least on my page 721 you'll see the bid tab that shows the company uh the timing of the show
and then what the proposal is at this point in time uh we are recommending that uh pyro Productions estimated uh 22-minute show for $20,000 to be awarded this cont um so I open the floor motion
discussion but I got a couple comments the I know we I don't know we've made a decision from the committee that we're definitely doing a fireworks display I know we talked about that and grown show um unless I'm wrong but
uh I've always thought the May that theork was a you want to T I mean table this that always PR you well I guess what's what's council's thoughts on I know you g to get some costs from from a drum show
perspective right yeah they're they're I mean they're estimated between 15 and higher so but I I'll start reaching out for quot so if you guys saw Newport Richie they had a Dr own show okay um and then you know we've
got we could do fireworks we can do fireworks at drone we could do just drone just fireworks um I'm not sure what you guys what was the request well we're gonna have some kind of celebration on the 18th no this this is result of some requests that went out
to these individual companies what the request fireworks okay so we're going to talk about fireworks here but what you're saying is you might want to talk about drones if if you guys are good with fireworks budget of
40,000 we got 20 to 22 here we can use some of it on 4th of July or none of it on Fourth of July so there those are all the things Mak that was also what I wanted to bring up too is if um if if we're looking at having two firework shows one right after another the
Centennial and July 4th we show then um right so we we probably need to figure out what we want to do um what company did we use for fireworks last year do do you know the next sorry
we can't use them we might be suing them oh okay that's fine I that I was thank you that I would recommend that you not use them not on this yeah okay that that was one question I think we're still in negotiations on we have not heard much
so the next step will most likely be us Matt I coming to you asking if you want to file a BW yeah okay to get our money back all right that was we're not using okay not of problem I'm good with that um I went to the Newport
Richie drone show as well and although I loved it it was great I it quiet it was very quiet you could bring your dogs and your kids and it was very nice um and I like it my reservation is I
don't want to be the same as Newport Richie I want to be Port Richie so I like the fireworks only because I don't want to be the same I'm I'm always different I like to be different you like black I'm gonna like white just because you like black that's just the way I am there's nothing wrong with
black or white right um and and it was a very nice show yeah but but I don't want to do the same as you know they had a Mar's ball and we're having a Mar's ball and I I just don't want to do everything the same as them so I'd like to I'd like to stand out a little bit and the kids like the fireworks yeah and I'm okay with fireworks that that's my two sents
yeah and I'm I'm totally in agreement with that I just want to make sure there there is other options the thing about drone there's some advantages obviously is you bring your dogs and stuff like that and what not it's not that big a deal um I always kind of thought if we could do something maybe a hybrid of
both um but the nice thing about drones is you can you can customize what you're seeing you do that with a little bit of fireworks as well but not you can with drones so I just want to make sure you guys were aware of that we're we're good for whatever really yeah I can open public comment in
just a second once uh this time ahead I was just wonder why I was suggesting longer show lower cost most you see those ones are about the same cost but 15 minutes opposed to another sevenes go bigger go home right
well they got has five in sh I don't know it's in 4,000 of and it's plus or minus so it's a little gray area there but no I I don't have a problem with one of them really it's not a big deal I just curious what the uh why suggest on
that I yeah I think in the end it comes down to the length of the show and the cost yeah you get a longer show with with the the amount so the money goes further money goes further for longer time what what
are y'all's thoughts on Fourth of July do you think you still have the intention of having a firework show them too or or would it would it be maybe better to maybe not do that this year and put all that money towards a a bigger
fireworks display on the Centennial well I think has is having a firework display they have well they did that last year last year so they we should do something different
so I think maybe you could have the uh drone show for the Fourth of July since superer Richie is having fireworks I believe aren't they for the Fourth of July or they they probably yeah we need to get it lined up early though because everybody's busy need to get on schedule is this something we can put out to the
people yeah I mean I I think we should ask the people just it's a matter of locking stuff in probably is as big I mean I know we have to make some moves well move on it can't wait should have done that earlier but yeah have to move on this maybe not July Fourth of July even more so I think this is probably
there's more comp you're right you're right but I would like to know what the people think you know what do you want what do you want or pitch in on Newport Richie's fireworks display make it even better so we can and they can have it right in our Val yeah you pratically ain't movement
on that you pratically a movement on that good so if I could say um you know from from the standpoint point of what it takes to do these things um we we are lining up a lot of things in April and May that's going to require a lot of
Staff time um and that's staff time taking away from other things they have to do one of which would be getting everything planned for the Fourth of July um you know I I know you know there's there's a lot of reasons not to
do a Fourth of July you know we have the heat we have you know the fact that there could be competition from other Fourth of July events going on but from my standpoint I look at it you know it it is a lot of effort by the police department the fire department Public Works to get that done and we're going
to be you know what we'd be asking our staff is don't do it once but do it two or three times because there's a lot of events coming up in in April and May that requires a lot of Staff time to do that and and understand that's overtime
as well um I just help out Newport Richie with their firework display and let them do it take care of it so these guys don't have to worry about scheduling that and it'd be a more enhanced firework display for everybody because our residents are gonna go and watch it then new P Richie would' watch
ours and just have one big display would be nice that's suest personally I I agree with Matt I do agree with mat but that's just me that's just me and I'm just one you know I would like everybody's opinion but this is a big event for us this is a one in a 100 Year
thing so it's a big deal and that's Fourth of July there's lots of stuff going on right even even if they're not going somewhere they're home in their own backyard and not leaving anyway so and it's only seven weeks later I just counted it's literally from May 18th to July 4th it's seven weeks so I I would
say we put we dump whatever into the Centennial like Lisa said and Matt said it's only once in a 100 years we can go back to 4th of July next year that's not a problem I I will say that um OB we're having the the chamber has the Community Markets the first Sunday of the month
and July 4th is Friday the first Sunday of the month would be the 6th we could um maybe try to organize some kind of Fourth of July picnic or that something that weekend and couple with the the community market and do something with that more need stuff though well not not
as much because that's planned by Community Markets we our local band you know we might be able to kick in for that kick in for that make something yeah not have fireworks but do right some stuff I said it would be food trucks and stuff like that something to
do what's the potential of of getting or negotiating with any of these folks I mean did we ask for 22 minutes or did we ask for 15 minutes how did that work out we asked for two shows we asked for two shows one for 15
minutes and another one for 25 minutes the minute shows were pushing anywhere between 35 and 40,000 because of what else they would have to deploy for that size show some of them needed um extra you know another barge some of them needed you know obviously there was
going to be more fireworks that was more you know um more product but the Pyro Productions was offering the 22 minutes plus or minus at the 20,000 which to me was the best all the way around because you're getting as close to a 25 minute show but much more than 15 minutes it is
plus and minus as per their quote but you're still going to get a lot more you're still going to need more time than 15 minutes so have we used any of these people before no have we verified any of their uh contacts and and got references uh each of them all have
websites um I don't I didn't call any references per se but I noticed that the Pyro did have some caveats with regard to permits and stuff like that if it was over 150 I'm not familiar with the kinds of permits
but some of the other uh vendors had much more detailed in their in their U you know in their agreement that indicated you know levels of uh you know permits were included all of it then
general liability all that stuff which I thought made their quotes look better but didn't know if if we've got some unknowns there and I know we usually send a fire truck out there as well as uh fire people
right so we have those on site well we have to have to the one that caught on fire oops if we um if we're pretty sure we're we're going to not do fireworks for Fourth of July and we we solidify this
pyro Productions I'm assuming if we give them more money they can beef up the show is yeah I'm sure I can bring that bring that to the table for them but then that's going to be a different amount so I'd have to bring that back to council for approval right but do we need to
Beef It Up much more than no 22 minutes I think that's probably I think 2 minutes is good we might we might have a little extra money but that I'm sure it could be used for something else exactly and we're fine with this that okay yeah I
make a motion to approve the purchase requ EST for pyro Productions thank you for $20,000 for the Centennial event second okay motion second any further discussion
public comment Chris Chris May 50 uh 4591 Harbor Point Drive uh great decision I think that not doing the Fourth of July and saving that money this year and doing this aneno is much more important we can do that next year and having something ever in the
park or some kind of outdoor event is great for that so good choices thank you any public comment bring back for vote all in favor 65 by saying I opposed motion carries uh next up old business is there any discussion old
business um we have a list of properties that we have either torn down or mode or stuff like that is there any progress trying to do any foreclosures on that try to get those lean closed
out yeah I actually glad you brought that up because I was looking at that lean list and I um there's it shows the active lanes and there's several of them that are closed on there which I'm not sure why they're passage of time they over 20 years I think you'll
see they're PID some are paid off and they're still shown up on this list why are we still tracking those for record that you've done that what was it's L sales aren't active if they're paid off right they just paid off just paid off recently yeah probably showing that
they've been paid off but I think there's also a request that we show history as well they they ought to they ought to stor it so all those fall the bottom or something it's inter miixed with all these kind of weird the way the is
but but going back they say what is our what is our um progress progress towards collecting this money I I will put it down and give you your report the next meeting I know the for culture process is relatively expensive yes it can it can that's part of your your analysis you're going to
need to look at it it may and I I can't read I'm looking over your shoulder but um some of these if they if you're getting a challenge you can spend 10,000 plus dollars to try to resolve it and it may not be worth that so each one needs to be analyzed you know for what it's
worth and how much we have to spend like here's one for for $110 for a mo I'm not worried about I'm worried about like that that property we tore down across from the uh fire station next to the naor it's on Grand oh the blue yeah it's
like 30 or 40,000 7737 yeah 27 yeah how much 27,600 and I know they were trying to sell it that would be an excellent spot for a new Firehouse let me ask you a question this procedure wise
how we have an active lean for almost $30,000 on that property we foreclose on that property what happens is it do we do we get the property do we only get $330,000 of it how's that work it depends on the property depends on who else is involved
who else has a lean if there's no leans other than ours um I I mean you you might you may you may end up just working it out like hey take it and let's let call it even which your IDE your ideal is to get your money your your value out of it so there's a
chance we can foreclose on and get the property out of it and the reason I bring that up is because that's a very good property not that yeah there's a lot of leans on that oh is it really okay I think that's one a million million some million dollar there's there's at least three three properties
that they've used that as collateral for so there's some Panky Panky going on there it's a confusing one yeah yeah it's it's I mean the best that we can get enforcing what we would be doing is getting just the money that we
have so obviously there's with all Lan they they have the same opportunity we do to foreclose on right so first some some no it depends um um different different different lean holders have
different priorities government's pretty high yes taxes are first obviously before anything else um so we're we're up there um but just depends on each property and what they have and who else shows up sometimes people may have a lean but they choose to ignore it and don't claim it for whatever reason so
it's it's really each one's very unique on on its experience so these other lean holders when a foreclosure process gets started let's say we they get notified that hey this is in forclosure you have to you have to notice anyone that and then they make their claim yes but you know that one's a strategic
property it might beho us to try to look at an opportunity there and maybe make contact there and buy that from the CRA and we can always just reach out and say hey interested potentially that that
might us going y do that I like writing letters I definitely think we should look at that one just because of where the property is strategically yeah what what happen is just from an imminent domain perspective on something that you would have a lean against
imminent domain's different right imminent domain would be for a public you we need your land for a public purpose and we have to provide you you know what we thinket right does a convolute that if you have a lean on the
property yeah you have to resolve lean the leans have to be resolved or like if we want if we want property and there's leans on it somehow that's to get resolved before you know we take the property all those lean holders would have to sign off on the acquisition everything has to be resolved I see okay yeah but it sounds like some somebody
got DED along the way this thing was pledged as a collateral that was really undervalued and it's interesting there a lot of different I think it was trusts or llc's and a lot of name changing
since about adverse possession can we grab it that Park our equipment there start start a storage lot you know Impound Lot on there that's a long process think you want I think you want it quicker than that
talk to your lawyers figure out how to get that property but I um I made a note we'll get started on it that's 7 7737 right yeah y anything else what's going on with the um be UPS on Grand I know that's part of the Safe Streets for all that's in on
that somewhat yep no we actually um lastek last Wednesday we actually had the public meeting and uh I mean we didn't have any public there um
but those of us that were there Council vice mayor Rodriguez was there um we made sure that uh all the items that we've talked about here uh is being addressed through that one of them is Grand Boulevard related to the uh the
speed bumps we have a workshop on February 5th Workshop yeah okay what time is that that was that was at 6 o' add that a six
yeah and then we we have um there's still time by the way if you go out to the website you can put information in there of areas that you think need different treatments um so I would encourage anybody that uh you know knows
of areas that are of safety concern to go out there and address those so uh we can make sure that they are included in the study that's being done I was going to talk about about that meeting was um it was quite interesting um and as Matt said no public showed up unfortunately
it was just about five or six of us um these showed up fire showed up as well um I encourage all if you're listening to if you've got concerns about any streets or any places in the city to go on to the website and and place your concerns they are collecting
that information and they're investigating it um they had a lot of good data in that meeting um of course the majority of our um accidents were on 19 as we expected um they did a lot of they took a lot of
data from our police as well as I'm think probably how to take it from um the county and the state right um and the majority 87% of the accidents were during the day which I bring that up because I was shocked I would have
thought majority of the deaths and and and accidents would be in the evening and and they were not it was 87% during the daytime work traffic I guess just didn't give hours it but it was very it was very the data was very interesting they
will be bringing it to us um so I encourage you to look at that um they gave us the exact locations whether it was a death whether it was incapacitating injury whether it was a rear end collision was it a Side Collision so it's a lot of good a lot of
good data they had so um if you've got a problem you want a sidewalk you need something put it in there and they will look at that and they will compare that to the data that they have and that they will come up with a plan for us it was really quite interesting so Chief are you giving the are you them like um when
you have the um speed control set up on Washington and and on old posts and stuff like that are you giving that company that information those numbers yeah we provide that too yeah most most of the crash dat they got was from the crash reports that we generated send to the
I just wondered if you all all your stop information yeah I actually um I had all that already because we had Council request to see all that and um so we provided that same information to them for us so they can see what those speeds
are that's going on there um on the uh on the old business the um where's it at the mural funds for CAC CAC CAC mural um Bob and I went to the
the map meeting and Jeff branch executive director for the Flor leag of Mayors was there and he mentioned a Content how get on that subject but about murals um and so I want to pass this information along to I don't think I did the did I to you okay um I
know you I think you're looking in um to determine funding for the project but there's a there's a lady mayor um and he said let Meredith know that he's he said so Jeff bran sent us um and the website is live
wild.com l i v w i l d l y and um they they do murals um and I think they even fund them um there may may not be some yeah
it's it's uh act like they they they like to do that grants so be wor something to reach out to see if they can we forward that to Lori she's the chair of that committee we forward that information to Lori Simpson sure yeah I'll send it to tomorrow I think to that end the way
that we set up the budget there's there is money that you could earmark tomorrow to do that type of project in CR CRA yeah it's just matter do okay but any that's a that's a
resource that may be able to do a lot for us with with a little little match or even no match way he talk so I want to bring that up great thank you um should we should we start getting quotes as well I mean looking into it you know contact other companies start getting quotes for this or I think this is
coming from the CAC CAC I this has been on the table for years think years I think what what would probably be a good start to that is Council saying they're willing to commit a number of well I guess actually the CRA is willing to
commit a certain amount of money to that project and move forward I think additionally CAC was talking about doing that at ol but you know this is something maybe somebody can say to them to that yeah
we're having the markets at Waterfront maybe we better not to do olner where now we've got people that are starting come to that park right on a regular basis and maybe they should
rethink the first location yeah and they only wanted to do that because of that ugly wall I know so that was but I'm sure more because the park starting to build up a little bit more people maybe they should reconsider where bathroom walls and stuff we have talked about
that but yes you're right absolutely and so along that same line um which we could maybe incorporate something like that as well is um I was bring it up tomorrow at the Centennial meeting we I brought up before about rebranding one of our parks at Centennial Park um and
we we kind of thought either ni One about the name yet Nicks Park is already named Nicks would it be Nicks Centennial Park or water Waterfront Centennial Park just somehow incorporate a rebranding of one of our parks for the Centennial um and we possibly even do maybe a mural
there as well or something but any this ideasa anything else still business well do we have any updates on the b r still got P after going strong all
right what about that utility lead and copper study de completed I believe everything was submitted it was a little late but it was okay because of the storms yeah he's he submitted what he needed uh to do um to uh D so um but
it's still ongoing so we can get a more specific update from from darl and his crew next so the intent is once this data comes in that we're going to use that to potentially leverage that with grants and stuff because it's it's the underlaying decision why we need what we
need yeah and way that was supposed to work so we back in October we just subit the preliminary inventory of what we think's there right um the next step is to actually get it more accurate to what what is there um so we're we're still
doing those different different Discovery events within the city I think uh terl was looking at maybe using some uh can't remember what the the title of it was but but using AI to uh do some
predictive models of of what's out there based upon what we know is there um which again is something that the state would accept for that that final piece of what really is there but we have uh you might recall we submitted the um uh
request for funding to uh our state representative state center uh for the uh desbest concrete and lead and copper pipe Replacements right and one of the things that we focused on was the fact
that we have a significant amount of that within our system and this is necessary so we are using that information all right and then um the street Paving with Ajax and arpa funding that's getting ready to start right um
well we have to finalize uh what streets it's going to be um Daryl darl R our Public Works utility director has submitted uh a number of streets that they fill he fills needs to be done um
you know as as I drive around I I keep going back and forth with a lot of different ideas on this um but I think the more that I drive our roads you know it's hard not to focus back on Bay Boulevard and see the shape that that
road is in and I I don't know if you know one it's it's going to take years to do the elevation project on that about years and millions of dollars which we don't have lined up um and I I just don't think we have more than a
year left on that road surface before it it is might to bite the bullet anyway and just what we can yeah so that's one of I mean I I don't like that because that road will eat up most of that money um but and and there's other needs as
well but I just don't know if we have any any roads that are more accelerated than what that road is it's a lot of traffic so you know that's all my to get done this month so we can bring it to you for approval
so um I I want to plant a little seed here um one branching off the the old business item of the us9 Grand Boulevard intersection improvements do we have an update on that because that we should be getting shovels in the ground to do something on that soon right we've
received I was talking to uh sou about this we did receive the comments back from uh the state on the initial application I think the engineering firm is going back to them uh to address some of the comments so we're getting closer to getting the state to okay to do the
work okay so are we anticipating we'll actually start construction on that someday someday this year um so to to to plant the seed just be thinking about this um obviously there's the project underpass Cody River Landing project to go underneath the
bridge connect both sides um is um we're trying to revitalize that not Revitalize resurrect that at the no um uh board so the original cost was making it I think
20 feet wide or whatever four golf carts um which was astronomically expensive um and so the new thought process is just make a hike and bike trail underneath there keep the golf carts on Dr Boulevard where they really should be anyway um and so the original plan was
to come down along c is go underneath the bridge and then spit them out onto what's the name of that road um that goes by crap check whatever that road is um Clark is it James James Clark yeah um so
we've the ball's kind of in our court to to acquire the rideway that we need to kind of bring that project forward um but we need to know what that rideway is that we need to acquire um given the they've us a a
um a shorter version of what we need to acquire from catches um which it it just impacted I think like nine parking spaces and they are actually not full parking spaces so they could even do like like a short golf cart parking there so they wouldn't actually lose a lot of that uh to get down to the bridge
and then on the other side my thought was and me and Matt went over there and kind of looked um is to mirror that what we do coming down by catches as you go underneath the bridge go right back up and get on that sidewalk um at least for the first part of it and so there'd be a RightWay acquisition
along that property there um at um property where the old welding shop and stuff is um don't know how much because a DOT has a RightWay and we'd have to acquire some of that and so Matt put together a kind of a diagram of that
thought process and we're going to meet sometime late February early March they I think they've solidified that dat half of that boat ramps on do well that was the the original thing was he's got a boat ramp there and so if you if you bring people underneath the bridge they would have to cross his boat ramp um and
so obviously there's not a lot there's not sidewalks or anything down there there there's a Crab Shack and I think long term as that gets redeveloped over there we would um obviously do something around that you know at least you're under the bridge right but I think to get that connection made quicker than
not if we think if we rethink that is to mirror the same size culs West Side would come down along the 19 go under go right up 19 get back on that sidewalk that completes the loop and we can always do something different as that redevelops in the future um but anyway so it's just kind of stuff that's
ongoing we' like to try to get that it used to be like a number two or number three project n list now it's like 30 something I know one time that one time they thought it was gonna actually go through but yeah it up I think the golf cart now I think that's helpful I was
under impression that you go to dot you should go with I may be wrong a wish list say it's one item at a time so you want LED lights under the bridge we need to have water main run under the bridge and we want to have this hiking trail present that and whatever else we want
at one time in the package you're more likely to get more stuff approved I don't know I just well from an N perspective they wouldn't deal with the water infrastructure stuff like that now obviously if they if they had a underpass uh hike and bike tra there would be lighting as part of that or so maybe would be in there but as far as
the the the water infrastructure that would be different um but obviously as we would need to think about that if we were to go into that project and and how that would integrate and and I think there's there's Synergy here because the County engineer is very interested in
this project and and I think he he is a very good advocate for us to get this project move up on that list and actually get funding he he understands what what is needed to get this project moved forward yeah and I know both Mariano and starky are very much in
favor of it so um there's a lot of interest in making something happen there so we're trying to resurrect that just let you guys know so we'll be at some point we'll probably need to talk about you know what part Equity we're going to have in that but the n's willing to obviously step up in a big way to to make that happen so we're
going to have some preliminary conversations about RightWay stuff and then um I'll see if we find more I'll bring that back to you guys so there was some discussion at one time about the sidewalk going over the bridge yes is there any traction on that
or so the Matt looked into that as far as golf cart crossing the bridge you have to have 8 foot minimum um we actually went out with tape measure one afternoon and and measure that we do have 8 foot on both sides however there is a small portion as you as you come up
to go across the bridge where it Narrows in a little bit it goes like seven and a half or whatever and we don't know the question will be asked obviously is that can we have a exception for that for that one spot which I would imagine probably could but anyway I've asked Matt to when we start talking about that
to for the Grand Boulevard stuff to see about the the bridge as well to that approv that's that's a a project that we would have to do with Newport Richie as well because we own one side we own the other side and to be able to do the connection it's GNA have to be joint that we want to do that those two narrow
spots you got one on each side okay yeah um and then there's and and there again is because of the development that they're looking to do on that side there is some logic to them to want to work with us on that exactly uh I got two
other questions I I know we have I believe in the budget we had sidewalk money and Canal maintenance money yep um have we started any effort to get that rolling at all uh there's no tangible effort on
that can we we're trying to move it y okay yeah good answer any other open business okay that we'll move on to comment from mayor city council I'll
start with vice mayor Rodriguez first um the only thing I had was the comprehensive Safety Action Plan that we already spoke about so that's all cast bur no I know I discussed everything bring up thank
you Council Hub make a motion to adjourn you can't do that that's my job but you have to fight Linda for it she might let you second it I don't know I'll second it okay go ahead I've been asking questions along the way and like to thank Adam for
putting that together um and I'm sure that will develop over time and I think it's good information to have out there um other than that um good job you guys are trying to get the Centennial uh thing rolling um I am a
little perplexed why you know all these people that say they love the city aren't engaged uh which makes me wonder this is an opportunity for you to get involved uh they need some help and
uh I encourage you to try to find your place and and get engaged yep there's plenty of opportunities to help for sure I did want to say second that I you guys need a lot of help a lot of volunteers so please if you got anybody or there
contact Ashley or Eric or somebody they do need a lot of help yes y just contact anybody on the committee we'll get you plugged in for sure um that all you had yeah I just a couple quick things
um the first I want to if youve noticed talk about minutes for just a second um we're we're required at a minimum from a minute perspective to to record the actions of the meeting so you go to the agenda motion second and the vote
outside that you really don't have to capture anything it's it's good for context um obviously with all the meeting stuff Ashley fallen behind on getting those prepared and as you she has scaled back on some of the content to a degree to kind of really summarize it but I was wondering what you guys
thoughts were if we were to do to the the the bare minimum which would be I mean those minutes could technically be out the very next day right um and spend the time in taking the actual video of the meeting and sectioning that off so
that when you go out to watch the meeting um you can actually click on item number 11 the purchase fire plate jumps right to that spot in the in the meeting and you can actually see the entire dialogue back and forth I you're going to get a synopsis in the meeting minutes um but really as that as that AG
is and it's not real complete I mean you do capture somewhat of the essence depending on topic but there's a there's a lot of discussion that happens and really to to understand that with technology now we go out and we can actually watch the actual meeting and if we if we spend that time instead of
trying to uh build these synopsises in the in the minutes if we just capture the actual the actions and then refer people to actually the the video of that where we section off and we can go to each item on there and actually watch that portion meeting I think that would probably be a better better service to
to get an information out but who who's going to edit that think they should be too brief though I don't think they should be too too grief I I actually sum there uh and then if there's any extenuating circumstances or discussion I you can CH
that down did Ashley suggest this that she wanted to do this she she's she wants to do whatever the council wants to do and that's why I told her I would bring it up to see um if that would be something you guys would be okay with personally I mean I would when I want to
go back you know the minutes may or may not um give enough context it's really better to actually go back to the meeting and and watch it and see because it's if you think of from a minute taking perspective it's hard to capture all the important points I mean it's
just it's tough and um and I know she's she's working her butt off to to try to keep all these meetings up to up to date and get these minutes out there but like last last meeting we approved something from October I think this one we had a October November in here so she's a couple months behind
um if we was to relax that and actually just capture what we're stat statuto statutorily required to capture um is is what the uh the agend item was you know what the action was taken and then um you know if there was something of of not we might want to put in there most
it's it's just a lot of times it's ban her back and forth about certain things and he really is that anyway you know she say the mayor talked about this you know vice mayor talked about this and it's um you know it would be better sered just a section off that video and you can actually go and see what was
talked about is that possible to do that because that's possible that because let's face it we are here four hours frequently nobody has time to sit through a 4our right YouTube thing to see what they want to but they might go want to see it number two number three absolutely so if there's a way to do
that very easy to do and it uh she could do that as well as do the menes but I was would help complement the minut yeah as opposed to her going out and watching a 4-Hour meeting to try to capture those things and you ignoring different things and whatever take notes um she can just
basically put those time stamps in there while while she going through it it's very easy to do that obviously and then um and matter of fact she can even somewhat capture it as she's sitting there approximately go back and find it' be very easy to do that and then that's that record's out there for anybody to go and and go directly to what they want
to watch I actually see if that's something have her try it and see if that's something that would be not cumbersome for her to do if that would be a help for her to do then I would be totally for that yeah and I would also say that there's a it actually has some artificial
intelligence actually we do that for you I'm curious to see how that would divide this because obviously as we go through you know I announced the changes I don't know if it would pick up that it' be interesting to see how it it will put those out there for you and then you basically review them and you would tweak them take out something that
didn't matter and so that I think some of the work be actually could be done for her um at least start and she could just ammend it and then like said the minutes was the main thing if if you guys are okay with with uh not capturing all that detail in a minutes and just do
the actions like we're who who made the motion who seconded that's that's what at the core and you can confer yeah so if you guys are interested in that I would defer to Ashley see what Ashley thinks if she thinks that's a good idea she just wants
to give us what we need so um the other other thing I want to bring up um I've reached out to to Nancy about um the 2125 Coastal residency and rest uh restoration committee and I think as well as maybe the CAC but specifically
because I had a conversation with Carl um about seeing if there was some way we could redo that resolution to that would take them out of the Sunshine Law provision make it more of a strict fact finding committee which would allow them to uh
meet in in smaller groups or whatever um and it wouldn't constrain them to have to come here because that committee is very important that we get that going and get some progress done and it from Carl's perspective and again uh ny's going to reach out to Carl and find us spe speically what he what he's looking
for talk on Thursday um oh on Thursday good um but just think about if if outside that what comes out of conversation if we could look at maybe amending that to uh free them from the shackles of the Sunshine Law to be able to actually get some stuff done now there's it will limit their their uh
ability to to action things and make recommendations stuff like that but at the end of the day the council is really making those decisions anyway for all the the groups for that matter um and maybe that group would be better served to be more strictly fact-f finding and then bring stuff to us and
then we action it but that would kind speed that process long and they could actually do some more um more work in smaller groups in doing that you would have to direct them on what they look at right they they couldn't say hey we want to look at this you
would have to say we want you to look at this cust well can we make that not AB broad I mean I need I need figure out yeah well have this so people are getting thinking about this so so again the
sunshine wall is is set up so when decisions are made it's in the open so again if you say well let's have it broad so they can look at whatever they want to look at well that's the decision right they theyve made a decision that they're going to look at something but
if it's not within the Sunshine Law I mean it's not open to the public who made that decision well they made the decision you didn't direct them you you say well look at Coastal resiliency there we know there's a lot of topics there and so if they say well
we're going to look at this part of coastal resiliency shorelines that's the decision that's that has to be public yeah so and like said I want to make sure we're keeping everything on up and up but again I just had a conversation with Carl and he
feels like he's they're unable to to you and one answer is meet more right they could meet weekly they could beet twice a week I mean but again it's it becomes cumbersome if there's if we can explore that and see if there's a way that we can make better progress by doing that
let's explore it that's kind of the thing but if not then we just we keep it the way it is that's kind of the thought I'll talk to him Thursday and get back to you guys and then along the same line cac's kind of similar to that and we make it a lot anyway so we we we plan events and stuff like
that they've done some good stuff so if there's I mean said but specifically that committee he's he's made a thing and I said I just thought you know sometimes CAC they might think the same way but you know doesn't matter what what
you're and I I've not been to a CAC meeting so I don't know everything that's discussed but the idea of the nons sunshine body is that like not was trying to say they are given a task to collect facts about a topic that's it and bring the facts back to you I think you guys go well beyond that I think you
discuss different ideas different opportunities and make decisions about it that would not not qualify yeah I don't think the other one will either but obviously talk to him and see what what he's doing and what the committee is doing and what he wants his vision is and then we'll talk what your vision is
um as a council because also we you and I had talked about I think what you also want to avoid is make let's say you can make the resiliency committee a non Sunshine body well you might need them to be a sunshine body because you want them vetting and making determinations to
bring to you to make your decision process smoother quicker easier versus them collecting facts bringing everything to you almost like why have them as that middleman when they're going to go get information from this expert just bring the expert to you they may not help you because they can't
limit anything they talk to the expert they're your FactFinder they bring you everything so it might yeah I understand that there's a there's there's a price to be paid for that just that's I understand his frustration he's frustrating andly as
you guys know it's hard to get things done and that's that's we you know we don't want and they didn't have Quorum which didn't help so it's a monthly meeting so there's there's you know now two months have gone by and they struggle to get Quorum which actually I should probably bring that up now as we as we talk about that we probably need
to either add some alternate that committee so that um I don't think we have the ability to add alternates now so we may change resolution at a very minimum to put some alternates in there um because we've got to have that committee engaged in I mean and and doing some work we've we've got to we've
got to do this stuff the waterways need attention and we can't can't let things stand in our way whether it be quorums or Sunshine Law or you know what have you I was trying to see if I had the
resolution to see what the numbers were and I'm not finding meeting yeah yeah you got talk to got Dave Mo how you second second okay all in favor say five saying I I [Music]
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