November Thursday. mobile unit there. >> Okay, that is good. Yes. Yeah. They don't care. Get away. >> I just saw that just about an hour ago. I was like, "Oh my god. crazy people.
>> I hear stuff out, but you know, I'm busy. And then she mention >> that was So, Father, we just come to you. We ask for wisdom. We thank you for the stuff that's on the agenda tonight that we could come together for the better of
the city and the community. So with the board of committees and membership renewal and the red light cameras report and the law enforcement drone program, we know that's a great tool could be used in every area. So we thank you that
also for our city uh uh attorney and things that will be decided there for the better for the community and for the people. So we just give you all the praise, glory and honor in Jesus name. Amen. Amen. To the flag of the United States of
America to the stands one nation under God indivisible and justice for all please. >> Mayor John Cooper >> here. >> Vice Mayor Chris Mayer >> here.
>> Councilman Robert Hubard >> here. Councilwoman Lisa Burke >> here. >> Councilwoman Christine Sullivan >> here. >> City Attorney Nancy Meyer >> here. >> Operations Manager Salicary >> here.
>> Thank you. Uh so we have no minutes to approve tonight. So moving right along comment John public. I do have one signed up. Danny Fields. Welcome. >> Okay. Danny Fields 8114 Leo Kid. I'm here again to just thank you guys for everything that you do for our
community. again for what happened with that Walmart with the car show. Great turnout. Thanks for everybody being there and public relationships and working together. But I want to remind us we do have a event coming up on uh
November the 1st from 11 to 1 at Waterfront Park 8119 Oppos Road Rogue. And it's Fall Fest. We're going to have fish, hot dogs, and tater chips and stuff like that and snacks and popcorn. >> What kind of chips? You gonna have
>> tater chips. >> That's a country phrase. I know. You got >> on that. I should have just said chips. See, >> give him an extra minute for tater chips. >> That was good. Okay, give me an an extra minute on that. Okay, thanks. And uh so
the police are supposed to be there and fire department to help out to pass out candies for like a trunk or treat deal. Uh this is a great event to be able to continue to reach out to the community to build that relationship with the
city, the police, uh fire department and uh public works and all those that that represent the city here and the communities and business because a lot of businesses uh locally support this and and put money into this and show up
at this event. We will have Christian serving motorcycle uh people there uh doing the cooking and uh so Leonard's already bought the fish. It'll be fresh and ready to go and they'll deep fry that. So anybody likes fresh fish,
they'll have that. And uh they'll be carving pumpkins this year. Uh they'll be face painting. Uh there'll be all kinds of good things going on there. So, we're going to have like a a hay set up with a background where you could get a
photo op with family or or or people and friends there. So, I hope to see you there. Uh we'll continue to work in the park and in the community and support our city and all that we do. So, I think I I I will mention it is an event
sponsored by somebody cares and area local churches together. So, it's not just one church. It's really a community effort with the churches kind of networking with all these different agencies and different groups of people.
So, thank you. >> Yes. >> That is all the signups I have. By show hands, anybody else like to speak? Nope. Okay. Seeing none, bring it back to comments for city manager. pass it over to our acting city manager, Sal Kerry, for his comments.
>> Uh, thank you. Um, I'm filling in for interim city manager, uh, Andrew Butterfield, who's out on medical leave. Um, I have been in contact with him. Uh, his surgery did go well. Um, he's in good spirits and we hope to see him back soon. Um the CRA resident uh resiliency
coordinator Derek Smith uh director Daryl Rose and I met with members at a Tampa Bay Regional Planning Council on Friday the 24th for an on-site visits at Brasher, Olner, Nicks, and Waterfront Park to gather information for uh for the park conceptual plan. Um basically
they are assisting us with doing a 3D model and basically um park concept that we want those four parks to look like in the future. We did talk to them about the splash pad. We did talk to them about the amphitheater. Um, we mentioned the observation tower or observation
area at Brasher Park to go beyond the, you know, with the walkway that go beyond the mangroves and do that. Uh, we have mentioned all those things, but um there there will be an open house on November 13th here at city hall. They're going to bring some of those um ideas um
for the general public and anyone can attend. uh we just want to try and pull as many ideas um as possible before they get to a you know to a finished product with this. It allow us to um you know to attach that to an RFP to go out to an engineer to start designing um and doing
the engineering for these items if if council wants to move forward with this concept. Um there's been so new a new 200 feet of 6inch water line was installed on Bay View Drive from the casino entrance to to the Hooters entrance. This was a um a plan that
Hooters had to comply with a 6-in fire line. So, this new water line was installed um by by a contractor by them. It was it was um not done by the city, but Daryl Rose was inspecting the entire job at the at the entire time. Um our
finance department has initiated the ATP workforce program to streamline the city's payroll system. Uh this was something that um Adam asked for uh months ago and they've been involved in training and finally that this is the first week that everyone has been logging onto the portal and clocking in
using this system. Uh the roof at Olter Park bathroom is scheduled for replacement. Uh this is something that we've kind of held off for quite some time. and we were trying to see if we were going to get that covered as a insurance um you know insurance due to the storms but after the inspections
were done the the damage that's been done to the roof is just old and age as opposed to you know what was done from the storms but the the repair is minimal. Um we're actually going to do a metal roof on there and because of the size it's only going to be about $2,000.
Um the uh the Senate Manor lift station restoration has been completed. This was a project that council approved um about a month, month and a half ago. Um they completely rehabbed that lift station, realigned, you know, relined it with a with, you know, with a spray liner and
redid the pumps and receat receated everything at the bottom. So now it's fully operational. Um the air curtain for the city's brush pile will arrive next week. Public works and the fire department will coordinate uh to burn the existing brush pile.
The fire department has initiated and completed CPR training for the majority of city staff. Uh we had the training done here at city hall. Um I believe that they have one more training they're going to do at the firehouse for some of our, you know, later shift uh police officers that they're going to do, but the majority of staff has been
completed. The police department partnered with the Drug Enforcement Administration and Walmart for a drug takeback program, an event where where everyone can turn in their unneeded medication for proper disposal. Uh during this event they collected about 40 almost just shy of 40
pounds of medication to prevent it from ending ending up on the streets. This was done over the weekend. The police and fire departments uh participated in a trunk or treat event at Wter Boyce Salt Springs State Park. Um from what I was told it was very successful. Um they had a you know good
time just as much as they did at the car show. So it was it was a good event. Um uh the police department also over the weekend they were very busy this weekend participated in a grand opening at um of of Pesco Honda which >> kind of Fort Richie. >> Yeah.
>> So upcoming meetings this Thursday the 30th there will be an events committee meeting at 5:30 p.m. Our next map meeting is scheduled for November 6th in Dade City at the Green Door on 8th Street. And the open house that I mentioned will be on November 13th uh to
gather more park uh improvement ideas for Brancher Nicks waterfront and Olner parks. Um Derek and I and members from the Tampa Bay Regional Planning Council, they'll be there. So we hope to see anyone who wishes to come and provide us with additional ideas for the for the
parks. And that's all I have. Thanks, Al. >> Okay. Next up is comments from boards committees. Do we have any board committees comments? No. Okay, moving right along to our consent agenda. Item number one, we need a motion for the
consent agenda October 20th. >> Make a motion to approve the consent agenda for 20. Second. >> Okay. Motion second. Any further discussion? Any public comment? Seeing I put a vote. All in favor say by saying I. >> I
opposed. Motion carries. Uh next up is council business. Item number two, board and committee fiscal year 2526 membership renewals. >> Mr. Chair for introduction. >> Actually, I'm going to pass this to the city clerk. Um, this is one of her this
is one of her things that she performs throughout the, you know, annually. So, >> so this this item um happens annually. Uh, the myself I send out letters to all boards and committee members. they um
are supposed to send their responses back to me if they wish to stay on the committee or wish to resign. Um the the list that you have is everyone who has responded via email or um letter um via
electronic or in person. Um and it is your up to you guys if you want to approve or deny all of the board's committee members for fiscal year 2526. Okay. So, by the council for motion or discussion, I'll
>> make a motion to approve the board and committee member list for fiscal year 2526. >> There a second. >> Second. >> Okay. Have a motion. Second. Any further discussion? Any public comment? See, bring back for a vote. All in favor?
>> Linda. >> Sorry. >> You're welcome. Linda Rodriguez, 5917. I heard you talk earlier, >> but just there there are corrections on the CAC. I'm down there twice. Um, and Lori is vice chair and I know heard you I heard you saying that earlier and but I just wanted on the on the minutes that
>> problem the there is a discrepancy on the spreadsheet. I'm going to update that. Um, the CA those changes happened after I sent this out to council to my knowledge. Um, so I'm going to update that and all of the department heads as
well as um, CAC will be notified. >> You can't you can't come and >> I have a couple comments I could make, but they're probably not a to do with my size. I could fit both seats. >> Oh, no. >> But anyway, so um, yeah, I just and I heard you talk and I knew about it, but
I just wanted to that for the minutes that it was noted that. >> Yep. >> There was two corrections. >> No problem. >> Yeah. And I notic that cuz on the on the chair person it does show the reappoint submitted but >> I think that's when I was moving. >> Yeah, we could use some help on the CAC. We got a couple positions though. But if
you you want to come twice. >> All right. All in favor signify by saying I >> I >> opposed. Motion carries. >> By the way, I'm not I'm not hearing you by the way. Are you there?
>> Ashley had me muted. Oh, okay. >> I did I had him muted at the beginning just in case. >> Okay. So, if >> if you could while you're not speaking, stay muted just in case any of your background. >> Yes, ma'am.
>> Please. And thank you, sir. >> Okay. Next up is item number three, 2025 annual red light camera report. I'll pass that to Mr. Carrie for introduction. Per Florida statute section 316.834, 0834. The city must prepare a written
summary of the report highlighting certain information as provided to the Florida DHSMV annually and read it into the record of the council meeting before the end of the calendar year. The report summarizes the period from July 1st, 2024 to June 30th, 2025. Following this
report, interested members of the public will be given an an opportunity to provide comments on the program. Um, I will turn this over to the chief for any questions that the council may have on this particular report.
>> I did somewhere somewhere said we had five cameras and then I said we had two cameras. How many cameras do we have? >> Two intersections. >> Five cameras. Two. >> Five cameras. Two intersections. Okay. Uh I one of these there's a couple questions on here that uh was a little
concerning I guess and that was um let's see >> there was one about where some report wasn't turned in or something wasn't turned in. Well, so if if maybe we just go down this. I think it's question number four. As required by section 316,
Boba, did you present your red light camera data report as a single agenda item at a meeting? It was no, right? >> Is that a bad thing? >> That's no until tonight, then it'll be yes. >> Okay, >> that was the one I was talking about. >> So, that gets flipped over and it's in, I guess. Yeah. Okay.
>> Um, and then the date to be in there obviously in question five. Uh, there was something else I thought was Let's see if I find it here. Where did I see that? There was a loss in the red light camera. There's a
parenthesis agenda. >> Yeah, >> I think that's >> what's that all about? Was that just 14,000? American Traffic Solutions. Um, so we were
we were under or we were overbudgeted I believe. Is that so we didn't achieve what we budget for or something? Is that what the this is reflecting here for the year? >> Yes. I believe it was anticipated to be 1.6 million ended up being 1.4 million.
>> So that's probably why that small amount there is like 14. >> People are learning. So, we didn't actually lose 14,000. No. Okay. Um, I think that was probably the only one.
Yeah, I think that's it. Any other questions or hang on it? >> Needs to be read the whole report for the statute. It says that the report must be read aloud at a regular meeting. >> So, someone needs to read. >> I'd be happy to do that if you want to
achieve this whoever doesn't matter to me. >> Okay. Where do I >> It's going to be a summary. I'm pretty sure at least go back to the >> I think it would start on that first page where it says pursuant to Florida statutes. >> From there all the way down >> through the >> what page number is that?
>> That first page. >> Oh, first one. >> His report. >> Page 12. >> Yeah, that page 12 is the report. >> Oh, that's all you need to read. Okay. >> Okay. Pursuant to Florida statute section 316-00834A2B. This report is submitted to the city council of Port Richie to provide an overview of the operation and results of the traffic infraction detectors, TIDs,
also known as red light cameras within the city. Each year, the city is required to prepare a written report for the Department of Motor Vehicle DHSMV detailing outcomes of this TID program. Beginning in 2024, municipalities operating TIDS must also submit this report to their elected governor body
read into the official and allow members of the public an opportunity to comment. This report covers a period from July 1st, 2024 to June 30th, 2025. The TID program is managed by the Port Richie Police Department under the direction of chief police Frank Roserio. The city
contracts vary mobility as a vendor for its TIDS. During this reporting period, the city operated five cameras at two intersections, US19 at Ridge Road and US 19 at Graham Boulevard. Over the course of the year, a total of 11,737 notices of violation were issued. Of
these, 7,65 were paid. 79 notices of violation were contested with nine being dismissed, 56 being upheld, and 14 notices of violation awaiting final resolution. Additionally, 2325 notices of violation resulted in issuance of a uniform traffic citation. There are no
notices of violation currently pending issuance as uniform traffic citations. During the covered program year, the TID program generated total revenue of 1,43,29.36. This amount was comprised of1,196,9142 from paid notices of violations and
$26,114.94 from paid uniform traffic citations from the $1,196 sorry $1,196,9142 collected through notice of violation. The following allocations were made.
$533 and $533,865 was deposited in the department of re revenues general fund. $76,233 was allocated to the state's health administrative fund. $22,885 was contributed to the state's brain and
spinal injury fund and $37,945 went to the city's police $5 fund. the remaining balance of $525,92342 as well as the $26,1142 paid from the uniform traffic citations for a total of $732,3784
was credit to the city of Port Richie and that is the report. So my understanding the 533865 goes to Pasco County or the state of Florida channel.
>> State of Florida. State of Florida. >> So we had the 700 number whatever that was >> and that goes into our general fund I believe. >> Yes. >> Yes. So, I guess we just need a motion to
approve the report or what's what's or just was just for discussion? >> I think you need a motion for public comments that they're allowed to ask any questions. >> Any public comment? >> Okay, seeing that, I guess we're done with that. >> Y have to be reported to you guys.
>> Okay, next up is item number four, Florida Department of Law Enforcement Drone Program. I'll pass that to Mr. Kerry for introduction. Thank you. The FDLE has opened an opportunity to provide the city with financial assistance to purchase two drones, one for the police department and one for the fire department as part
of their drone replacement program. The drones must meet the compliance requirements outlined in rule 60 GG-2.0075, Florida Administrative Code. Staff is in the process of preparing a request for a cash advancement. In order to qualify for this method of payment, we must
provide a valid executed purchase order to ensure that the purchase is ready to be made immediately upon the receipt of the advanced funds. So basically what we are coming to tonight is for council to approve us to create that purchase order. So then it's
basically going to be a wash as we create the purchase order. It's very similar to the water plant um the water plant design that we're doing where FD is providing us funds before we pay them now. It's pretty much the same thing. >> Okay.
So, basically $50,000 goes out, 50,000 comes in to replace it >> and drones come in with it. So, so is there motion or discussion? Motion to approve purchase order 82627
and purchase order 8628 in the amount of $50,000 for the procurement of two drones, $25,000 each. One for the police department and one for the fire department. A cash advance will be obtained from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement drone replacement
program to purchase the drones. >> Okay. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Motion a second. Any further discussion? Any public comment? Seeing none, put to a vote. All in favor signify by saying I. >> I opposed.
Motion carries. >> Uh, next up is item number five, city attorney discussion. I'll pass that to Mr. Kerry for introduction. >> At the 10:14 2025 city council meeting, the council instructed staff to reach out to one of the municipality municipalities to see what they pay for
attorney services. staff were were also instructed to prepare an invitation to bid um for attorney services. Mayor Hoover asked city attorney Nancy Meyer to approach her firm and request that they keep the current hourly rates and consider a longerterm contract contract.
Press Bagno does not want to change the terms of the renewal contract and the city council needs to provide directions to move forward with the current firm or post city attorney position for proposals. >> Okay. Thanks. Um, so I'll open up the
floor to motion and discussion on this on what we want to um do going forward. Uh, I can start with with a little something. I uh obviously was disappointed to hear that um they weren't willing to to negotiate on that since that was the rates that they want to go with. Um, and so I think based on
what council discussed last meeting, it sounds like we need to go out and and look for some services. I do have something that um I can contribute that um I had a conversation two years ago at Florida League City's um
conference and I met uh Wade Boss I think I pronounced the last name from the uh Voss law firm very nice man had long discussion with him and at the time and as I mentioned last meeting that um I've always been concerned about the the cost of the city on on the attorney um
being uncapped and whatnot. And the way that they they do their um contracts is they look at what you've paid on average across a certain period of time and then they come back with a set amount that they provide you the same services at a
lower rate and uh it's capped and you'll you actually see an example of that in the packet. Um Brooksville is currently using them. Um, if you look at their I think it was like 26,000 uh some dollars that they were averaging on their attorney per year and they came
back at about a 27 and a half% discount on that for a flat rate of 150,000 uh for the year. And that's kind of how they do things. Um I do have a copy of his card here that I if you guys wanted to reach out to the firm and talk to them as we talk about other things. But um >> if you're going to go out to bid, you don't
>> Right. Right. Why is but that's they can still ask questions about >> if they're going to if you're going to put a request for proposals or invitation to bid they cannot talk to you guys until they >> oh until we put the bid out. >> Okay. >> We can invite them to that. You know >> I mean I think they definitely provide the information but if that's the route
you're going to go south can reach out and get whatever you know make sure they know about it so they can provide their information to you but then when the bids are open they can be here. You can ask them questions do that kind of thing. that there's a lobbying provision and the request for proposals, you
should be talking to them if that's the route you're going to go. If you just want to not do that and give them a call, >> right? >> But if you're going to go out to bid, I would suggest. >> Okay. Well, we haven't decided what we're going to do yet. So, >> my just my that's just my warning. >> Gotcha. No. >> Do as you wish. >> So, I'll pass these out. So, that's
obviously what Nancy says is is is true. Um the uh I did speak with Wade today. Um and they're obviously very interested. I said I the council will be discussing tonight and um if we were to go out to bid they would be interesting in in bidding on that. Um but again it's
that's all >> you said they're the ones at Brooksville. >> They're Brooksville and they actually did used to currently with Brooksville and it's one you the arrangement you see there. Um they also had Dade City for I think three or four years. I did reach out to Mayor Black uh today as well just
kind of see what they thought because they don't they don't have any more and he had nothing bad to say. Um uh and so that's that's all I know. Only reason I bring that up is like I said I I did meet this particular individual and we had atlength conversation really uh
smart guy. It sounds like it's something that we could entertain. Um but if you guys want to go out and bid and just see what's out there they would be interested putting a bid in on that process as well. So >> on page 38 we're have the pace guys for all the cities. Um
>> on page what you said >> 38. >> Okay. has it broken down to other municipal city. Um are those all current dated last year? >> Uh are those or are those contracts
longer? I know it says that at the top, but is the contract was the contract done last year or was it done? >> These are these are just the current contracts that they have on file. So um even Brooksville's is from 2017. So, um, each of them have different years that
they were renewed. So, >> Right., >> but they're not like they're not they were just done just this year, >> right? So, they're and and they're probably coming up for renewal at a certain point.
>> Newport cheese is the latest renewal. That was that was 150 and now it's 1622. >> Oh, that's current number. >> Yeah, that's current. >> New Richies is the current number. And that's another thing too if if we wanted to reach out to Timothy Driscoll.
Um because obviously the council that overdue poor Richie they meet on opposite weeks as us. So that's you know we could definitely reach out to him as well to see what >> he might be one or just like I said >> is he just individual or is that a firm too? >> He's individual I believe. Do you know Nancy? >> I believe he has his own.
>> Yeah he's this is a whole firm so you don't know who you're >> right. There's um they have I think 14 cities within Florida. >> They have they recently have Rocklage City, St. Pete Beach, Neptune
Beach, um Melbourne Village, >> anyone local >> Sebring >> they um when I talked to Wade today >> um >> I was see St. There's a guy down there. They have firms, I guess, around the different
areas that they have uh attorneys they that are I guess associated with them or something that they they do. There's the lady that's in Brooksville. Um she goes to their meetings. I think they're the first Monday and third Monday. Uh I don't know if it'd be her, but you would
I know Wade said he has commitment himself on the second Tuesday of the month. So it just depends on who from the firm that they have available on the nights we would need them. And that obviously they fill in for different things as well is how they kind of operate.
So >> according to their website they actually have Cocoa Beach, Fort Myers Beach, Anamaria, Neptune Beach, Daytona Beach, St. Pete Beach, Rockidge, Rocklage, Okachchobee, South Daytona, Brooksville, Oakland,
Indiana Town, Banell, Barefoot Bay Recreation District that is Sun and Lake of Sebring, Orange County, Monroe County, and St. Augustine. So, they're pretty big. >> Yeah. I mean, like I said, I the only
reason I bring it up is because I met the guy two years ago. I had actually brought the information back at the time to have a discussion and it it didn't really go anywhere and so um I was just bringing it to you. >> Well, one of the discussions we had the last time was over the fact of getting an attorney or having a firm,
>> right? >> So, it's so that's a great question. How would we if we wanted to could you put that all out in one bid per se? Because personally I like having a firm because >> there's a lot of reasons to like having
a firm. I I a lot >> I have I I understand what you're saying and and I respect that but I have plenty of attorney friends of mine who are not with a firm but they network with all kinds of people. So if they need expert advice they can pick up the phone and get that same advice just between them.
>> Yeah. But if they can't be there are they going to send their attorney friends to sit their advice? So I guess the other part of that is is that you're let's say he reaches out to let's say he's a real estate expert or something then they have their own rate structure right you're not under contract that so with a firm you get whatever the
contracted rate is whatever they provide you it's the same contracted rate so that you know that's really the the difference there not that they wouldn't have the ability to reach out to >> so the answer to your question is what >> so we go out for a firm are we able to
go out for individuals at the same time. S is that something we could do? >> Well, with the RFP, you can request anything you want. So, you can request both firms and and individuals. >> I think we want do both at the same time. >> I agree, too. Yeah, >> that's that's not a problem. Um, so just
so you know, the RFP, um, if I if we get it out, if you guys approve to do that tonight, the ad will go out in this in this paper and that RFP will go out on Monday. Um, that will be 30 days where we do that opening and then bring those to to council. So, um
it's going to be kind of tight between, you know, with our timeline, but um you know, once again, TR can stay on board monthto monthth until we get this resolved. >> Yeah. What is the month-to-month rate on the current contract? >> So, it's the same that didn't change going forward. >> So, basically what happens is she's at
215 now as of January. >> Is it the end of January? >> Yeah, I think it 28th 26th. >> Okay. basically. So in February if we continue to use TRS it' be at 250 an hour >> until we find that gives us enough time to do something doesn't the holiday
>> uh the only you know we usually just ask for the second meeting in December um which is done traditionally that we don't we don't meet but I think I think given that timeline with the before February we should have this done. I I see no reason why we can't have this
done by February. >> Definitely. It's currently 215. >> Yeah. >> 10 210 210 and it goes to 235 as a new rate. >> So if you put an RFB out tomorrow, >> you get them 30 days to get their information into us. They're interested
and then we have X amount of time to look at it, review it, make a decision. >> Who does that? >> Uh it's you guys decide you and you could have interview let um whoever, this is my recommendation. whomever
responds, let them know on certain day we're going to discuss this. Please come so you get that they're here. You can talk to them, ask questions. Um, you know, that's kind you're gonna want to know thanks and and ask them specifics about what they can and their experiences are in that kind of >> is this proposal for try still in it?
>> Um, the firm would decide if they would respond to the if you put a request for proposal out, the firm will decide if they're going to respond. >> Yeah. And it could respond with the same thing they gave us or something different. >> And I can't tell you sitting here what that decision yet. >> Right. Right. But I think that if if trust was automatically or
>> we have to we have to respond to the request for proposal. >> Now, so there's um are we and I was talking to Wade about this today too. I guess it's different. Do you have to go to bid for attorney because sometimes their attorneys are excluded from the bid process? >> Don't necessarily have to like if you
wanted to continue the contract, you could just do it. If um you know you had somebody in mind, you could you could do it. the more common ways to to do that to get the responses and have some different options the right fit for your >> with the with the RFP.
>> It specifies to to these firms to provide packets. We could we could basically we can put it out we could put out an ad and you know an advertisement for city attorney um and then just have those come in in as opposed to going through the the official process of putting something out to bid. Um we may
get a lot more responses in just a couple of weeks as opposed to waiting to 30 days. So that might that might shorten the timeline, but you you definitely want to be specific that you you know in the RFP it's like I said it specifies um the whole the entire structure of their firm, who they'll be
providing, you know, everything like that. That's and that's how the RFP is outlined. Um you know, the the job the job description has, you know, quite a bit in it, but it's not as detailed as an RFP will be. >> And I like the RFP obviously because then you get a competitive bid. you
know, they're going to come in at what they're probably the lowest they're willing to go as opposed to just reaching out directly to somebody where they're just going to shoot you a price. At least they know it's a bid process and there's other people competing for that. So, it's always the best possible way to get the best price. So,
>> what about though if we were to find say a retired attorney or something that that would be quite a burdensome task? Um, we could maybe find somebody locally and put on
>> we'd want to give the option, would we not, to just submit a resume and interview? >> Well, so if if you actually put the bid, you have to conclude that process first and then if you didn't like any of the bids, you could always entertain. >> You could do it again, >> but you had to close the bid at that
point and then you'd have to go out another process. >> You couldn't intermix the two. You couldn't just have a bid process itself. It's a resume, we'll look at you. Yes. Everyone's trying to comply to the bid process and then if you're just going to have someone just drop off a resume, it's going outside that process where all these other firms or or individuals
are are are complying to the actual RFP. >> And I guess technically we could if you didn't do a formal bid process, you could always just announce it like you do your city manager. Hey, we're looking for attorney. Um send in your your stuff and we'll put that at
I'm sorry. >> You said just like you do the city attorney announce it. Where do you announce the >> employment sites I guess? Is that Florida? Florida legalities. Maybe Florida attorneys out there now that looking for that anywhere that >> Florida might have a site for >> Facebook Marketplace.
I mean you could I don't know how many city hall you know say hey we're looking for an attorney. If maybe I should start using that for my my uh >> Christine to put it out there in AI. >> That's right. Get some biders, man. >> That's right. Um probably the most common would you say was probably going
to bid process. So >> because it does like like S was saying that the the request for proposal lets the the firms or the individual know what you're looking for. They'll from that can maybe see if they're the right fit and then they're going to provide you with information to kind of give you an idea before you even meet with them
if they look like they're going to be the right fit for what you're looking for. And of course it gives you the numbers which is something here >> in in a case like this firm where they actually look at your um your spend over your average spend over interpretive time I guess do you would you put that in the packet or if somebody say put out
there and they say hey in order for us to provide a bid we need to know this >> there's a pro provision that they can call the city manager or the clerk to ask information and remember our records are public records they can right you know they can ask for >> yeah meetings
>> um so one of One of the things in here with Bllelock Walters, which is St. Leo attorney firm, whatever they apply to, it says land use and government law. >> So, is that is that something that sometimes that they're both >> experts in in both because
>> I think it depends on what you're looking at. Like it might be the person that might be what that person specializes in. >> So, land use obviously is one thing that we deal with. Government is kind of the bigger overall arching theme. >> Do you have uh land use? >> My expertise? Yes. I personally do not. my firm does.
>> Okay. Gotcha. That's not the same thing to have a firm attorney. They have specialties. >> So like in that case that that individual you're looking at might have a land use specialty may not have the procurement specialty that someone else would have. So someone else in her firm probably maybe I'm not saying she
doesn't but that might be someone else that handles procurement issues or employment issues. >> Are you looking for a motion? >> Well, we I mean sure. I mean, we can figure out kind of consensus wise what we kind of want want to do, but you state a motion, too.
>> And I I make a motion we go out with an RFP to u look for either a firm and or an individual and as many places as we have to and we wait 30 days to get the right person and TRA is the right person, they'll rise to the top and we'll make that decision and if they're
not, we'll make the right decision for the people and the taxpayers. Okay. Is there a second? >> Second. A >> motion to second. Any further discussion? I just want to make a point. Um I was thinking about this and I just wanted to inform council if I didn't. Um
so just for history sake um with the with the coming of a new city manager. Um in my time here, I've always seen either a city a seasoned city attorney or a seasoned city manager work with one or the other. This would be the first time that I've seen where you would have
a new CA and a new CM simultaneously. So, I just wanted to make everyone aware of that. Um, you know, so usually, uh, a lot of times one relies on the other for knowledge. So, you know, of the city. So, um, I just wanted to bring that to you guys' attention.
>> Yeah. And I I actually actually mentioned that to Wade when I talked to him today to just get his opinion on on that. And, um, he said, "Believe it or not, it's not that uncommon that happens." He case where you both are relatively new at the same time. So he's
it's not uncommon. Uh benefits to to both obviously. So for it's worth but very good point for sure. Um uh where was I? >> Yeah. Yeah. Second. Is there any further discussion? >> When does your contract end? Very end of
January. So the 26th of 28 might be in here. 26 28 something like that. It's the very end of January. >> Okay. Any public comment? >> Say I put to a vote. All in favor signify by saying I. >> I.
>> I. >> Opposed. >> We're not hearing Bob. >> Bob, you good? >> He Okay. So, is that Next up, that's that's uh concludes
council business. Next up is comments from the mayor and city council. Um I'll start with uh I think virtual last time first. Vice Mayor, mayor, let you start. >> Um I I'm I'm excited about where we are as a city. I'm excited that we're um
we're moving. We're making decisions for the taxpayers and looks like we have some great things on the horizon. So, I'm I'm encouraged about where we are right now as a council and I'm encouraged about the council we have right now. >> Thank you, Councilwoman Burke. >> No, I'll go to I'm waiting on old business.
>> Okay, Councilwoman S. >> We have the park um planning on November 13th here and I wondered if we could get an update or if there is an update available from council regarding the restrictions at Waterfront Park. Waterfront is part of that. Okay. You
working that's this pretty little folder is right here. You see all my my tabs? Um I can tell I'm still looking for or waiting on some waiting on some information. Some of the as you know because I know you did went through this. Some of the agreements reference some permits um and things that are not
part of the recorded documents. So I've done some public records requests to see if I can get those that may or may not change. You know what the ultimate answer is. Um it looks like if you kind of just ignore all the older stuff and just look at where we are right now and
the the deed that conveyed this to the city. Um it let me find the right language. I highlighted it here for you. You are you are governed by a lot of a lot of these these like some of the permits that we don't have. You're governed by the other agreements. But there's language um in
the deed that >> the FCT portion >> that came straight to you that says >> they supersede I think. Is it >> that all building structures improvements and signs shall be require shall require prior prior written approval of FCT as to purpose and then
it talks about even like removing trees and stuff like that you need to get approval from him. Um and it doesn't so in this document itself it doesn't say you can do this or you can't do this but it's saying pretty much anything you want to do get approval. Um older documents talk about
you can't even have a structure. Newer documents say you can have a structure. So, there's definitely been a change. It's just not clear that you could sit here and go, "We want to do an amphitheater." Yes. No, you can't. You know, we have an answer. It looks like it's going to be a process of what's the vision. Then, we're going to have to go
um to the contact person that's listed and say, "This is what we don't, you know, I wouldn't say go spend money and get an architect and build it, but what's the vision? What are the things we want to do?" Um, and we'll probably have to get something in writing that says yes, move forward. Don't move forward. Yeah, I I can comment on that.
She's the lady at the FCT that does our county and other counties as well. She's our I forget her name. What was her name? >> Anyway, she she basically said, "No, it doesn't have to be an engineering document. You can actually just do a kind of a straw document what your what your vision is, what you're going to replace things. It have to be anything
um you know, ornate to get that initial dialogue going and approval. And then once they do that, then obviously you go back and you do the appropriate engineering or whatever. But they just and >> it references in the D giving bringing the the property to the city. Um a project plan
>> there's nohere else the word project plan. They don't define what a project plan is. There's no project plan that I can find. So that might provide more detailed information. That's going to be something I wanted to talk to S about requesting from um >> we have a plan that was updated in 202
I think or something that she mentioned. I think she sent it to me. I have to look. I believe it was 2022 when we we we updated the plan, but there wasn't many much changes at at that time. Right. So that >> and then the time before that is when we we built the new playground at the at waterfront. Um basically like like Nancy
said, as long as they see the concept first, so we we take that concept, we put it together, we put that put that package and say this is what we want to, you know, do at the park. Um they'll review it and Usually you'll just get some feedback.
Um like I said, their main concern because they're they're part of FD is maintaining x amount of green space per x amount of you know what you want to do. You know they don't want they don't want it to be an entire parking lot for instance. So, you know, I think that, you know, as long as there's like a give
or take relationship as far as being open, um, you know, even on parking, if we if we would like do natural geo web type of parking, if we, you know, we plant a few trees here, do some landscaping here, you know, around the the amphitheater, I think they'll be more than happy with that. It's, you know, it's more like a give or take type
of situation. And, and once again, they just, you know, like I said, because they're part of D, they they have nature in mind. So, but I don't think we're going to get a lot of >> when when we're talking about the footprint. I would assume it, you know, because what we talked about with the
with the Tampa regional planning council was the amphitheater was going to go in the same location as the existing pavilion. So, you're using the same footprint. >> Um, which is a great spot for because with the hills and the way everything is tiered, it'll work out perfectly there. >> So, with that existing footprint, you're
not really going outside of that. you know, you may go a little, you know, a few more feet out, you know, just to, you know, make sure you accommodate everything, but it's really going to be the same. So, um, with that in mind, they they'll definitely be open for that. >> Yeah. She did say too that, um, you know, it's not like you request it and
they like hard no and you it's basically, you know, you request it, then they may come back with, well, you know, because you've only got seven acres and you're wanting the size, you know, we'd be able to a little smaller or you could go a little bigger. So they basically they work with you on what
your vision is to keep you know keep the spirit of the agreement in place um but allow you to do things with the with the property as well. Um and so >> remember a few events from past that I stupulated though one was the uh the
ramp. We were going to close down Nick's parks ramp and we're going to put a fourlane ramp over waterfront park. Uh Tom O'Neal had a big design drawn up for Dick Park boat ramp ice park and we had a whole thing in engineered over at waterfront. So much so we got a
contractor and when we went to pull the permit it got blown out of water and then moving the boat ramp that got blown out of water. So you might remember it about 10 years ago. >> I recall some of that but I'd have to look into into that. I'm not I'm not
100% sure on on what that plan was. that was that was spearheaded more by Pasco County. Uh tours wanted to have some world class fishing tournaments here on the river and they had they had this big project in mind. It was about over a year's worth of work and time and
everything and it all get blown out of water and before that like over 20 years ago when Richie got their amphitheater put in we wanted and that didn't happen either. I do not know the details on that. That was a long time ago that that
got turned down. However, in 97 it says, I believe in there you can't have docks, but they did approve docks along the west side of Waterfront Park and a permit was pulled to put docks into harbor large dessels all along the west side of Waterfront Park, which we had
talked about. So, that's promising. It looks like we we might be able to do that as well as the bridge over to the to the water district. So, um, in like I said that a long time ago, it changes. I think the trustee John Gray has passed
away. So, you got new people up there, but it's handled by a uh the trust of public land at the California company and it's based they got an office in Tallahassee and maybe we go to Tallahass and say, "Hi,
>> we actually have a point of contact there at SCT that we we deal with on these things." So, I think um I think what we need to do obviously is complete this thing with the Tampa Bay Regional Planning Council where they've kind of come out public input and see kind of
create that vision um pull our plan that we have and kind of dust that off and and make changes of the outcome of that that exercise, submit that to FCT and start that review process and then work
with them on how we execute that vision. >> Right. and then they'll tell us >> get it amended and have a book so we know >> right and while we're doing that you know because waterfront park is the only part where we have that level of involvement so
>> the uh we can work on Brasher we can work on Nick Park so I mean you know while that's being reviewed we can focus on the other one if we wanted to go out to engineering on you know let's say Brasher Park or or one of the other ones so you know we can you know we work um at the same time. >> Yeah. >> And I will if I receive any of the
documents I requested for public records request if it I'll let you know that I don't expect them to change the ultimate thing that you need to let them know what you want to do and they're going to say yeah or >> but I'll let you know that if it gives some specific yes and nos about it. I would I would think that if there were
some additional restrictions outside the FCT that the FCT because they're the governing body that does that that they would have to take those things into consideration >> should be referenced in that to let you know that. >> So >> So I'll see that D mentions a couple permits that we just don't have. >> Yeah.
>> And with the project plan it sounds like S might have what whatever what might be the project plan that's referenced in there. I don't it's not connected. >> We have the we have the older version so we'll be able to help you. One of the things that FCT does, they look at that plan. Yes. And they it's like any comp plan or whatever that you're following
your plan. So obviously if we're going to kind of change the scope of that plan and add some more things like empathy or what have you, >> dockage or whatever, we just put that in the plan, submit that, it goes through and then we start to execute on these things with them. There, this is not outside the box. There they there's many
parks that they work at throughout the whole state that have done the same exact thing as far as an amphitheater, you know, modernizing equipment, things like that. So, this isn't going outside the box. So, I I think that they're going to be very uh very on board with what we want to do. And that meeting is
the 13th. The 13th is the open house at uh with the Tampa Bay uh regional planning council. Um myself and Derek will be there. We're going to set up some boards. Um they're going to have some concept concept ideas and then if anyone else has any additional ideas, they want to gather as much information
as they can. Um so then they can put the the the model and the packet together. Cool. for each of the parks. >> Okay. Anything else? >> When when you finalize this, can you make us um like a binder that we can keep make copies? Everybody has so we'll
have this forever. They have to be a big binder because the documents are so old. They're 18 by 14. I had to I had to search long and hard in my office for 18 8 by4. We don't have that anymore, right? >> But yeah, we can we can Yeah, definitely. There's no reason to keep doing this every time you guys decide you want to do something. So,
absolutely. Thank you. >> Do we have a digital archive here anywhere? >> I know, right? >> Not that I >> talking about like do we have server rooms got hard drives in it that's backed up in the cloud that we have all this stuff into or we just go into a library and pull it got deleted or it
got locked? >> No. We No, no. We have we have we have servers for each department that that basically the digital records that >> are they backed up anywhere else? Uh we well thrive our company that we have our data server company they back everything
up you know redundant >> everything everything is backed up redundant here in the state and then they have another I can't remember where the other off out of state facility is backed up >> everything is backed up this should be a file we go to waterfront park >> and that's what's going to be
>> agreement and boom right there it's for any future folks who sit in these seats here it's like there it is it's right there you know >> exactly exactly with a summary page that says this is >> if there's anything we pass in the next generation is for us to get our crap
together when it comes to digital storage and pass that stuff on >> it takes a lot of time >> speaking of that so we have a lot digitally but we also have some stuff that's probably not been >> digitized right in folders and stuff that is is are we making an effort to
kind of get all that >> yes but it is very time consuming and just identifying old documents ments, making sure they're the proper >> um documents and if they meet destruction and of course if they meet destruction, there's no need to scan them. That's redundant work. Um so if
they meet destruction, they go bye-bye. And if they do not, they get scanned and put in the appropriate. >> Is there any kind of software system that would read the document and automatically put in the right place? >> No. >> Yes, there is. There got to be. >> I will talk to my IT person about that.
I think some of the older documents be hard it's even harder to read them because they've been copied and copied. So that might >> well documents you can but as far as the state of Florida with the destruction schedules everything is is
very down to the precise thing. Some things are permanent. There's whole different descriptions on all different kinds of forms. So >> there's no kind of government stuff that does that or >> Nope. It's all manpower. Plus, a lot of our documents were
scanned with technology 15, 20 years ago with scanning technology, >> but they weren't scanned as OCR, which is now a standard for ADA compliancy. So, a lot of our resolutions, ordinances, um, a lot of our plans,
documents have to be, we have them digitized, but we need to redigitize them and rescan them or or set them up as OCR, which is now today's compliance. CR stand for >> optical character recognition. It basic takes when you scan it, it actually turns it into text.
>> So digitized like be disc digitized or like hard drive stuff. >> Hard drive stuff. >> Hard drive. >> Hard drive. >> Okay. >> Cloud. Cloud is the backup to the backup. I mean you can scan stuff to a flash drive, but that is not secure. Those go obsolete. So the cloud is is
the backup to the backup. >> Here's kind of where I'm going with this. And this is not taking a shot at anybody here because you guys work harder than anybody I know. But but I got a water receipt the other day. I 72 cents on my water bill and the mayor was kind enough to pay the water bill for me and bring me back.
>> He gave me the it was a it was a handwritten receipt with a stamp on it. And I'm just wondering is there not a better way that we can do this without somebody walking around the office ripping things in half two piece then they had to count it again red double entry. Isn't there some way that we
could fasttrack all that where it's all done digitally? Hey, would you like me to email your receipt? Sure. Boom. Done. >> We we have we have AC, we have credit card payments, we have all forms of payment, but sometimes someone will come and pay cash or someone will pay with a
with a check and they want a stamped receipt. So, it's just it the the part of the bill that they receive it work timewise it's quicker for them to go ahead and stamp and check off and then hand that back to the customer as to
walk over to their station, scan that receipt in and then email that to you. So, it's a it's a faster process for them. If you requested an email receipt, they will give you one. But at that time with the receipt that he did, it's just there's it was just quicker for them to stamp it and you know sign it off and
and hand it and hand it over to them. But we do have customers that get emailed receipts all the time when they utilize the when they pay by credit card or they get the AC automatic out of their checking account. They get electronic receipts all the time. >> I'm just thinking get away from printing all together. Just just tell them, hey,
we've gone to a digital system and this is how it works. We need your email address and boom, that's it. Well, >> we don't print anything anymore. We don't buy toner cartridges. We don't update. >> The more our customers, the more our customers sign up with email, the more we can get that out to them. But we don't have 100% compliance. So, until we
get 100% compliance, I mean, and you're going to have you're going to have seniors who still I mean, I'm going to put my hand up because I there's a couple of account, you know, a couple of bills that I still pay by check, you know, I still pay by check because I don't want to pay the fees. So, I I I pay by check two of them. But a lot of
them some of them are automatic. Some of them are pay by credit card. But a lot of a lot of people today still there still they still want to pay cash and they want to pay by check. So >> you'd be surprised how many people actually come here every month and pay their water bill by check.
>> Yeah. Or cash. And that's why we're we're moving away. We're trying to and we're trying to tell people, you know, it's on our bills. Sign up for a sign up, you know, sign up with credit card automatic payment. Do that. So then you don't have to worry about coming here anymore, but people still want to come.
They got, you know, they got they want to do their rounds. They want to go to lunch and stop and pay their bill and go about their business, say hi to everybody, you know. So that's why we still have we have multiple services open. It's not just one thing. It's, you know, we're trying to accommodate everybody at the same time.
>> And I'm happy to provide that service for anybody if they want me to run their money up here. Be happy to even 72 cents. Right. I don't know how that happens. That was going to be my question later. >> I was like, I'm getting ready to get charged a late fee on 72 cents. >> Anything else, Christine?
>> No, I'm good. Thanks. >> Councilman Hover, you're up to >> Hello. Sorry about that. Yes. So, we're happy about parks that people went back. So, is that November 13th?
>> Yes. >> What time? >> 5 to 7. >> 5 to 7. >> Yeah. Don't schedule any vacations then. >> PM. >> I'm hoping that I can leave. I was going
to talk to uh Brian and Grand Lake. They got a a drawing of their still house. try to get that maybe to Christine's group and they can get with the architect for an engineer. I think Greg and Brian have a have a contractor that did that. They can probably put a really
good deal together for us and maybe we can show couple these other ideas. I think it would be great to get Rash Park back together. Another thing I was uh hoping to do tonight uh is get a work order started
on Apex 2016 portable stage. Uh if we get this work order in now possibly I talked to Jeff today we might be able to get that by June for a summer festival like Fourth of July festival if you guys want to have an event or something we might be able to get it by
then. Uh, and I have a rundown the whole price on this with everything completely loaded, delivered, and everything is $143,218. That's with extra stage. Um, the screen
drop in the back, everything. Um, I think that'd be a great asset for the city hoping that we get a work order started on that. I can get the all the stuff to sell and get that started. >> So, so Bob, we couple things. We don't one we don't have that in the budget and
two um as of yet we don't have council direction to move forward that purchase. So the the the first thing is to if that's something that um uh you want to spearhead obviously you take a motion to make a motion to do that purchase and we have to get you know council has to vote
on that. Um, so >> be a work order. There wouldn't be any any monies involved. It didn't be a work order. As far as the budgeting, that's what we talked about to give Adam plenty of time to appropriate the funds next year for that.
>> Just get it started. >> So, a work order to do what exactly? >> Order it. Order this order to stay put, >> right? That that would be that would be a purchase. And so, a purchase order is what you're talking about. And so again, we don't have council direction to buy
the stage, nor was it budgeted. Um, so the the step is is probably to if you if you'd like to consider doing that, we can do one of two things. You could you could act on it now and we can take a vote. Uh, you could actually uh ask for
consensus to put it on agenda where it be on an agenda item. We could all look at it and and make a decision at a next at another meeting. I don't I want to add and I'm not sure this might be the only that does this find it but if it's not that's has to go out to bid well above the threshold.
>> Yeah. So this has to go out to bid. We can't just pick one. There's other companies that provide it. >> I couldn't hear an answer. >> I'm sorry. I was saying that you have to go out to bid for something of that value. You need to get bids. You can't just pick one. Even though you think it's the best deal, you need to go out to put out there that you're looking for
it and let companies provide um bids. >> Yeah, Bob. any anything over 25,000. Is that the right number? Yeah. Anything over 25,000 basically the the governing entity has to go out to bid to get prices on it. Now, and that that company you're actually mentioning, they can bid on that, but there might be another company that does the same thing that
would bid float or whatever. >> There's a few most of them are overseas. There's a few and that's fine. I mean, I I kind of kind of did that, but I think >> Yeah. Well, if it's if it's the sole source, obviously, that's that's another
issue. But How do you determine if it's a soul source or not? >> Find out from the company and they usually have a nice letter that says there a soul source. I know that's important. Um but I think you just said there's other companies. >> Yes. So, >> so that would be something that um staff would address and start if that's if
that's the direction of council >> and the company find another one and get fixed and put together the package that that I have here and he can bring it in the next agenda. That would be great. >> Okay. Well, why don't we why don't we do
this? Let's let's see if if the council has appetite to put that on the next agenda where we could discuss it. So, is there any is there any objection to putting item one on discussion to consider purchasing a portable stage? Any objections to that?
>> I mean, I love the fact Bob's out here looking for I love the fact that Bob's out here looking for alternatives for us, for entertainment, all that stuff. I think that um if we think the boat at
$100,000 is going to cause the people to get excited out there $140,000 stage parked in the parking lot and gathering rust is another one and I think we should probably be focusing on the things we have at hand like the design of the park s's doing right now the fleet of Florida league of cities
looking at an amphitheater versus a backup amphitheater that we're going to have a real amphitheater for. So, um I don't know. And again, I don't want to discourage any one of us from taking some chances, doing things that are positive for our community, going
outside of the box. I love that Bob's coming out of the box with a lot of stuff right now. I really do. That means a lot more to me than him sitting over there not saying anything. So, please don't take this as a negative towards Bob because it's not. But, I don't think $140,000 stage right now is a wise decision for us. Um, and I don't want to
burden the new city manager who's getting ready to sit in that seat over there with stuff that is going to be um uh taken away from him really pulling some pieces back together that we have here. So, that's what I I'll echo that as well. I I um I don't think it's
necessarily a bad thing if you had money sitting around to burn that you wanted to have a tool and toolbox to have that. I mean, it would have some value. Um, but I think obviously with the focus on uh injecting capital into these parks and looking at amphitheater as more a full-time of of venue, um, I think our
our money would be better served there. And at the at the end of the day, this wasn't budgeted for this year. So, we would have to rob Peter to pay Paul to to move forward on that. So, I would I wouldn't be in favor of pursuing that, at least not at this time. Um, anybody have any other thoughts?
I don't have any problem discussing it, but yeah. I mean, and I don't either, but again, we don't want to waste time either on on things that um we really don't haven't >> I don't have any problem discussing it either, like Lisa, but what I don't want to do is burden our new city manager with another thing that he's got to run
out there and deal with. That's all. >> Do you have any comments or >> I mean, I just learned tonight that there's a possibility of getting an amphitheater at Waterfront Park. I mean, after I reviewed those document documents, that's not not what I gathered. So, I'm excited that we might get something Yeah. you know, permanent.
>> So, I don't have enough information to, >> you know, even be thinking about a mobile stage at the moment. >> Yeah. But, it um what I'm hearing is is it I don't know that it um timing is right. Why don't we and I mean, I can put it to a vote if you want to take it that far, but um it doesn't sound like
there's a consensus there to at least move forward discussion on it now. But, um >> Okay. what what again what we got a lot of things going on with the parks and all that and like I said like Christine mentioned the potential to actually put a real amphitheater there um we should definitely focus on that and that's
going to be you know a significant expense as well so we think we'd be better served to kind of focus on that and if that happens to fall apart then we can reevaluate >> absolutely then it would be more of a necessity to look into that
>> is that are you okay with that Bob >> well But if if you guys don't want to do it, then we're going to do it. >> Well, >> it's not that we don't >> It's not that we necessarily don't want to do it. It's just it's uh we've got a
lot of things going on to um that may eliminate the need for that. That's a more a better option. U like I said, if if we go through this and we find out we can't build amphitheater, um obviously it would be nice to have a stage here in the city for different things or whatever. And if we can't have that
venue, uh, then I think it becomes more of a pertinent conversation. But, uh, I think it's a little premature to discuss that purchase now. >> Okay. >> But definitely that was definitely good thinking outside the box and and like I
said, those things are and I will say this too, we could always if we do need something like that, those are available for rent on a one-off. So if we needed to put something on it where we in a process of moving forward on the amphitheater, we could always rent one for, you know, a minimal cost for a
weekend or whatever to satisfy that need. >> Well, I can and I also wanted to add that um if this does not this does uh does not fall through or does fall through with FCT about the amphitheater by the time we get to budget season, we can we can put this money aside. We can
plan for it and then execute it the following year. And like you said, at at the time, if something does come up, we can rent a stage and get that done. >> Yeah. So, I don't want you to think it was a bad idea because there's no idea is a bad idea. It's the the ideas that are bad ideas are the ones you don't mention. So, I appreciate the leg work
on that. And like I said, if it uh if if if we come to find out that it's not going to work out, some of these other things we're working on, we can definitely review that for next budget season at a minimum. So, anything else you have, Bob?
No. >> Okay. Um I don't have a whole lot really. I don't have anything, but um uh I feel like I should have something for you. >> I'll take your spot. >> Go ahead.
>> I do. Yeah. Um there's a couple things I wanted to to discuss. One, um I maybe I think Ashley sent an email about ethics training dates. I don't know if there's a consensus on that yet, but Mr. Mora is holding those time slots, so I need to get a date.
>> I wanted to have more so of this discussion with you guys together because via email you guys are sending multiple days. It's not really a consensus. And just to reiterate, it's not just for you guys. It's for a board and committee members to have this this 4hour training. So,
>> um, the dates that he is available, I'll just throw that again. October 3rd. All of these are from 10 am to 2 pm. >> October 3rd, >> November. I'm sorry. >> Going back in time. I will not be here. I will not. Didn't I already have this 4-hour training?
>> You guys aren't. You guys can't have a different way to do it. This was mainly geared for our boards and committee members to have Randy come in and do it. >> Gotcha. >> And so you have to do it every year. >> You've done it this year. You have You don't have to do it. You've already done it. You've met your requirements. It's a
calendar year from >> So you're good. >> Just 6 months ago. >> Okay, >> perfect. >> So the So the dates that Randy is available are November 3rd, November 5th, November 13th, November 19th, and November 20th. >> I responded to this
>> November 20. >> What dates did I have? I was available. >> Hold on. >> Um I But I did want and I I don't know if Nancy was going to bring this up. Um, we need >> Yeah, we need to modify after we do it. There's two. We can't We need to do this
and then talk about >> Sure. >> November 3rd is a Monday. >> I really prefer the third if I can get anybody on board with that. 3rd, 5th, 13th, 19th, 20. >> Third is next Monday. >> My only thought with that is it's not a lot of notice for people. But
>> I mean, I don't have to take it, but I I won't be here anyway. So, if you like the third, I'm good with the third. Let me look at my counter. I came here for the third and it was available or not >> and it will be recorded. >> On the 13th. Um Sal stepped out. We'll have to ask when he comes back.
>> So we said the 3rd or the 5th. So regardless, we've got Don't we have some? >> Do we have anything else that week? >> No, the 13th. You have P&Z, right? >> Well, we can't No, because that's the holiday. No, wait. 12.
>> I've already moved another day. >> No, no, you're good. Okay. >> Wednesday the 12th is planning a council. >> Yeah, I think the third I said I was okay. I do have something, but I can miss that. >> I could do the third. >> I think the third is a little too
>> committee members. >> We don't have any other Mondays or Tuesdays. >> Yeah, those are the five days that attorney Morris provides. >> We don't we don't have anything on next Tuesday. Correct. So the only thing next week we'd have would be we could do the fifth.
>> So the fifth is uh that's the new Rotary Club veterans thing. So I'm not available during that time and other people as well. >> How about >> and I will I will share that um attorney >> I don't want to do the 20th. I I shared with um I was shar attorney Mora had had
shared with me because it is so late in the year that if if you all have your training for the year you're the you have to report um your resolution was passed to to help boards and committees understand the requirements of sunshine and public records because all that
stuff applies right um so he had suggested since it's late in the year if anyone on the council needed it you could go to the league of cities and and I think he missed Attorney Mora has some coming up I could tell you about that you could watch online. Um and then we could set it for next year and that would get your requirement for next year
done as soon as you wanted to. Um since it is late in the year and schedules are crazy and the holidays are coming. So it's that's just another idea. But you guys >> you can do it online. >> I believe they have it by when I filled out my charge. I don't whatever that
>> says are free >> form was. >> So I had to I had to watch a class >> before I could fill out that form >> check the box. Yeah. >> Okay. >> So I did mine >> the full four hours. >> There was a box. Yes. And I had to check
a box. So I had to watch a 4hour video online. Do you >> that they provided a link to >> Do you record the >> compliance? The one that Randy did I recorded that was the twohour one. So I did >> I was how how do you track electeds?
>> Oh no electeds. No that's that's on >> ethics department does. >> Yeah does that not me as long as the document >> right? It's provided online. There's a link from online to a 4hour course and then there is a check box in the um form
that you fill out >> and you're supposed to take the course before you check that box. So I took my course. >> Okay. So you're probably good then. >> Yeah. >> I'm good for the fifth. >> I can't do the >> I can't do the 13th. I have the MO meeting. The only one I after that I
could do the >> 19th and 20th. Actually I could >> You didn't say 19th, didn't you? You said >> I meant to. Sorry. 19 and 20. Both of those days. The 19th go. >> 19's a Wednesday. >> Could we aim for December and get a Monday or a Tuesday?
>> I can ask him. >> That'd be great. >> I can I can do that and send I can I'll send you all an email, but you won't reply all. >> I'm good with the 19th or 20th. >> I think that works for >> Well, if you you don't have to take it. If you >> I don't. Okay. All right. Okay, then I'm
good then. So, I'm good with the 20th. >> What about you? Your requirement. You do not have to attend. >> Okay. >> Bye. >> Are you there? >> I'm here. >> Have you Have you taken your ethics for this year? >> What?
>> Have you taken your ethics for our ethics requirement this year? >> I haven't. >> I took them last year. Not this. >> Yeah. You got to take it every year. So So this applies. So are you good on the 19th or the 20th of November
from 10 to 52? You're good on both days. >> I'm good on both. >> What day is 19? >> What day do we >> 19th or 20th? From 10 to 2. >> Would be better.
What >> did you Lisa? Was 20. You couldn't do it. >> I can't. I'd rather be 19. But at 20 fine. 20 for Bob. I'll work with everybody. >> 20th is Thursday. That gives another day for folks to
>> You owe >> me. >> It's too late. We're doing the 20th. You're too late. 20 2020. >> You Yeah. You don't want to come back from vacation and jump right in ethics. You need a day to rest. Oh, but attorney Morris.
>> Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, Randy does do a good job, so it probably doesn't matter. >> Okay. I will let him know that. And um >> from 10 to 2. >> Put on your calendars and >> 20th, right? >> Yes. November 20th from 10 to 2. >> Okay. >> Yeah, my uh my calendar looks clean. Is
that Did I give you the 20th? I just want to make sure. >> I was trying to look for your email and I can't find it. >> Let me just verify. I'm good. >> I'm pretty sure I am. sent >> and that'll be here at city hall. >> Yes, sir. >> Yes, that was good on 20th. So, 20th it
is. >> Okay, perfect. I'll let him know. Um the other two other things I wanted to bring up a while back um we did an ordinance to amend um your um chapter 90 land development code where you increase the base foot elevation to 3 feet. After
that, Senate Bill 180 came out and you can no longer have that 3 ft. You have to go back to one ft. One foot. >> Do we need to have a >> So, I'm going to need to do an ordinance. So, I need direction from you all to draft the ordinance to return it back to one foot. I'm going to look at the other changes you made to make sure none of those are contrary to Senate
Bill 180. Um, which Senate Bill 180 um as a reminder, we can't can't make anything more burdensome or restrictive than it was um prior to the the date that's in in the statute. So with with that procedurally
um the stuff that they did that preempted that, doesn't that supersede what we have? I mean I mean we can do orders to fix it obviously, >> right? >> But um >> even if even if you chose not to fix it, you can't enforce it. It's it's right.
>> Well, right. So that's why I guess that's what I'm asking. Let's just Well, I mean, we should clean it up obviously, but my main concern is I know that I think obviously with Chick-fil-A and other thing people are trying to build or whatever that they're kind of on hold. >> I don't believe Yeah, I don't I don't
believe anybody's been told they have to do three foot. I think every the staff knows >> they should move forward with anything based on the one foot. >> This is this just cleans up what the legislator's required. >> Okay. Well, as long as Yeah, let's get that taken care of. to make sure the staff isn't holding these up waiting on that ordinance because they could they
can proceed at the one >> then they know that and they're just they would like to get get the code fixed. >> Yeah, we fix code. It's pretty much for the code for code sake and anyone reading the code and anyone doing research and if you have any other future developers that haven't approached >> development services but they're looking online at the code, you don't want to
scare them off by them seeing three foot. >> Well, I was under the impression that this was we we need to get this done because it's holding things up. >> As far as I know, it's not holding anything up, but I have not been told. Please reiterate something. >> Please read the building department that they're to move forward at the one. >> They have not told me that they've they
got they so >> we'll get I'll find out again tomorrow. >> You'll see that at the next meeting if you're I'm not sure which city manager is going to be here next. >> No, no, I'm I know you'll see at the next meeting depending on if the city manager puts it on the agenda. I'm just not sure who the city manager next
meeting. Um, and the last thing I have is, um, I noticed when I was doing some other, uh, work in your code that your homebased business code is out of date. It is legally incorrect and it's a couple years out of date. So, um, that needs to be updated, but I need your direction to address. >> What's specifically that?
>> I didn't write it all down. I The legislature pretty much preempted you can't regulate hardly. You're very limited in your regulations on your homebased businesses. Um, and I don't I don't have it in front of me, but >> So, there's some in there that regulates homebased business. We can't have
>> We can't have any objection to Nancy. >> So, it loosens the restrictions in home based business. >> Yes, it is more more business friendly, >> right? >> Hey, we're all about that. >> Exactly. Exactly. And I don't know if that is an issue. I don't know if people are coming in here getting told they have to do what's in the code, but we
need to make sure the code is correct. Objection. >> They're looking to do what they know what they can and can't do. >> Any objections fixing the business code, the homebased business code. Okay. >> Okay. That is all I had. Thank you. >> Okay. Do you have something else? >> Yep. >> Okay. I did um I did remember what I wanted to say. Um so just to give you
update on negotiations. Um I did speak with Don on Friday and um he is uh asked to review our benefit information to see if there's what things he would be interested in or maybe not want to take or whatever. So he has that information as of yesterday. Um I have not heard
back from him since. Um, and then I I'm waiting on Andy to be ready to have a discussion as well. So, um, I'm hoping next couple days he'll be up for that. So, but I want to give him some time obviously with his hip to do that. So, my goal would be to have um everything
solidified um by the next council meeting on the 11th I believe is >> 12th Veterans Day. >> Oh, so the 12th. >> Okay. So, 12th. So that that would be my goal is hopefully have everything back to council consider that on the 12th.
>> Can I provide a recommendation for the negotiations? Something that I'd like to see in the contract. >> Sure. That's okay. Yeah. >> I would like to see um some performance-based >> raises. So rather than getting the >> like say the whole chunk up front that
there be a six-month increase and possibly a year increase based on some goals that we review at 6 months and 12. >> So yeah. So basically with with a ramp up right >> time to salary. I can discuss that. >> Okay, perfect. Thank you. >> That's a great idea.
>> Just just for some clarification. So would you say bring up uh bring up on the 12th like just to discuss because she would Nancy would still need time to draw up the actual contract? >> Yes. How much time would you need to do that? >> I will not be here on the 12th. Someone's going to be in in for me because I'm in a different town on
Wednesday nights. Um so I won't be here. But if you get the if you decide that night that everyone knows that what they want and want it to look like it and we'll take one off. It's just us to give me the information I can get to. >> And I will say too that um when in our discussion with with with Don um he he I
kind of asked what he thought start period time frame or whatever. Um he's good with um starting like first of the year. Um, and I said, "Well, you know, Ken would like to have the option have you here sooner, sooner and have some
transition time or whatever." And he said he would probably uh he'd want to start would be mid November. So, I think that probably about that contract on the 12th that could possibly meet that if he wanted to start on that uh mid November time frame. So, but I'll say all up in
the air, but I just want to kind of give you a >> But he he had mentioned that he does have vacation with his wife. >> Does have vacation in December. >> We need to honor that. >> Yeah. and that and that would go without saying. So, and that's I guess early December, second week or something like
that. Um, so if if he was to start mid November, we'd have him for that period. Obviously, Thanksgiving holiday would happen. Then he would be gone in December. And again, the the goal is to have Andy in place at the same time for a transition period so he could cover while he's gone on his vacation, come
back in the holiday, Christmas time, be worked out, and then um as we get into the new year, figure out what when it uh what stops and then takes over. Um and I and along that same line with we get to the numbers or whatever, I was thinking about uh somewhat of a ramp up period,
but tying it to specific performance metrics or whatever. I I have those questions. That's a good idea. Um, anybody else have any thing they'd like me to discuss on negotiations while I'm doing that? Okay. Um,
the I had and this spawned from Don. He he was um he was looking for some or was it somebody else looking for some docs on our website and I mentioned that to you the um I think the comp plan and then the strategic plan. Did you ever get those out there?
>> Not on the website. Okay. >> I can get those to him as soon as possible. The comp we have the uh we have the older comp plan. The new one hasn't been finished the new one yet. >> Well, I think it has some value to have the older ones out there. Even if we, you know, quite looked at the last one
and see the changes, if you see the new one out there. So, any anything we can get out there that's of importance, like those documents, we should have that out there for the public to to look through. Um, I think that's all I have. The event committee is going to meet on Thursday.
Um, and I know it brought back um the um the goal is to have a Christmas event the 5th, 6th, and 7th of December. Um, we do some kind of treelighting ceremony thing in Waterford Park on the evening of the 5th. And then we would have uh uh
on the six a market uh going on um with probably some some either DJ music or or something or other. Um and then we'd shut that down um at 5 I think because the Newport Richie boat parade is starts
at 6 or something I think is what we talked about. So we would shut the we'd open the park for the the event. We'd shut it down early for the boat parade and then come back on Sunday and we would have um continue some stuff and then have some music a couple uh bands
or whatever country bluegrass or something there in the evening um to kind of close out that event. So that's obviously we'll be talking about that on Thursday. Maybe I don't maybe you already discussed it too with the events committee if you're going to do a tree lighting ceremony that maybe residents
could bring an ornament their own ornament. >> Yeah. >> And everyone could you know >> Yeah. So we wor I mentioned at the meeting on Thursday um Steve with Hitch 106 on the committee. Um he wasn't at the last meeting unfortunately but hopefully be the next one. I know he was
going to look into if you go up down the water you can rent those lighted trees that are really big. So I think he's going to look into that. I don't know if you can hang orange on them or not. You might be able to or if you >> be fun especially for kids like to bring their own ornament put on or I mean but
even for residents I mean pe people like to do things like that and it's your own your own little >> and we can make do a big tree like that and also do a smaller tree when you put the ornaments on but I'll bring that up on Thursday. But not that's a great idea to involve other people.
>> Um, and why I got you obviously since you book boot music and stuff. I know you you do individuals and smaller groups or whatever, but uh we may reach out to you to see if >> maybe you better do that really quickly because they book way way out. So >> yeah. So we like to we'd like some live
music there on on that Sunday to kind of close out the thing. >> Yeah. Just I just the sooner the better. >> Yeah. You wouldn't have to be a volunteer for the vet committee, would you? >> No. >> We get you get you on there right now. >> No, I >> write down her out. Yeah. >> Now, you think so, but
>> she's a walking talking event. >> Yeah. >> Um >> I don't need to entertain anyone. >> I did go to the um uh the uh Orlando the other day with the NO. They met um
with Metrop Plan Orlando. Um Metro Plan Orlando is a is a regional MO. So they have uh seminal orange and OA oy >> that those three counties are combined.
And so obviously um Tena was here I think it was last meeting where she talked about the um the potential that we may merge our Pasco Hillsboro and Panelis NPOS's. Um so we went up there and and met with that board just to kind of see how they they functioned. Um the
way that they had their city representation um is they had a a MAC committee um I don't know what the he was but committee and so if your if your city size was 50,000 population or more you actually had a seat on the board they
had a 22 22 seat board you could by statute you can have up to 25 um there may be a provision to ask for more for the state legislature but that's the kind of the cap have 25, theirs is 22. If you have 50,000 more, you had a seat on the board. Any city that was below
that threshold was a member of this committee and the the chair of that committee would then have a seat on that board to represent smaller cities in that arrangement. That's kind of how they do it. Um >> you have one person representing all the small cities. >> That's correct.
>> They have vote they have the voice. Now they they were very um it was a very kumbaya type of board. they they all got along really well and everybody and there the the MAC chair was there said never had any issues anything you brought up they took care of them. So I
think it's it's it's doable. Um but again our dynamic is a little bit different than than that. They're all kind of together around Disney. Um you know we've you know we've got Pasco, we've got Penalis and Hillsboro that we all kind of kind of do our own different things or whatever. Not really coales
together. I mean we do cross those lines but not not kind of the same as they have up there. So, I don't know how that would work out. Obviously, that's a decision that um is looming that the board to make, but they wanted to go up there and kind of meet with those electeds on on those boards and see how
it works. And that's kind of how they do things. So, it was very informative um thing. More to come on that. I'll keep you guys posted as as things progress on that. So, and that's uh that's all I got. >> No, I just old news. Old news.
>> Oh, it wasn't on the cover. We got >> Oh, it's on. Yeah. So, I guess we probably should have covered that first. Old business four comments. Okay. So, jumping back to old business. >> I mean, not a lot. I just just want to update. Did we get our Did we get our bids on the signs for Washington Street?
Didn't And also with the quote for um Grand >> Those two projects, >> the Grand Boulevard speed bumps. >> Yeah. >> Yes. So, Daryl, I I spoke to Daryl today. be still um coordinating with Ajax getting updated quotes for the speeds and the uh speed signs should be
coming back to council um once I have once we get the quotes put together but that's in the process of right now. So purchasing is taking care of that. I should be seeing that tomorrow and then bring it probably bring that to the next for council approval so we can >> I think that's all because we moved some
of the other things to CRA. Yeah, the Green Boulevard crossing move the CRA, >> right? >> Just just let you know that's um moving along. We get we cleared the DOT hurdle. U was just waiting for them to approve the final engineering that's been uploaded to the portal. Um I did reach
out to >> So something happened between last time and this time. >> Yeah, they >> So >> we got another check mark. >> Yeah, a little bit closer. >> So the next step is they approved the plans and they've been working together. So they should basically give us our permit and then we go out to bid. So that's very very close.
>> Nice. Okay. Yeah, that's it. That's all. >> Any other business? >> No. >> Business. >> I'm done. >> Okay. You want to make the motion you like? >> I'll make the motion to adjurnn. >> Okay. Is there a second? >> Second.
>> All in favor signify by saying I. Right.