You guys ready? Let's do it. for city council budget workshop Tuesday July 295 to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation under God indivisibley
and justice for all clerk roll please Mayor John Eric Cooper here. Vice Mayor Chris Mayer here. Councilman David Mueller here. Excuse me. Councilman Robert Hubard here.
Councilwoman Lisa Burke here. City Attorney Nancy Meyer here. City Manager Andrew Butterfield here. Thank you. Okay, moving on down the agenda. First up is comments from the general public. Any comments from general public? We have none here in
council chambers. I don't believe we have anybody online, so we'll move back to council. Next up, comments from city manager. Pass over Mr. Butterfield for his comments. Uh, yes. Thanks, mayor. This is a nice follow to last week's budget workshop.
Today's focus would be CIP and uh capital improvement projects for the public and any follow-up questions on any issues from last week's briefing and the things we covered there. I would note that CRA budget workshop would be covered
separately when we do a next CRA meeting. Okay. Thank you. Next up is uh comments from the mayor and city council. Um I'll go out to you first, Bob. You got any comments? No comment. Okay. And we'll pass it over to Councilman Mueller.
I'm good. Thank you. Vice Mayor Mayor? Nope. Council Burke? No, thank you. Okay. I have none as well. Moving right along to our council business. Item number one, discussion of the city of Port Richie reserve schedules. Should pass that to you or Adam or
uh I'm just going to call Adam. I'm sorry. So yeah, he's the finance director has been working this hard, gotten input from each department and I will give the floor to the finance director. He's got Mr. Thompson a slideshow put together also. Well, for the uh
for the reserve schedule um Yeah. Hello. For the reserve schedule, uh that's just more of a spreadsheet if you guys had any comments. It was just showing you what we have in our investments accounts uh right at this moment. If anybody had any questions about that,
real quick. Any questions on the reserve fund schedule? I I had a conversation with both of them. Yeah, this a good start. Yeah. Okay. And if you note, um, really need to look at this at the end of the budget
process to determine where you're going to land as a percentage. And you indicated the target is somewhere around 30% reserves in each and and every one of these accounts, we've got more, but this is the 25 budget and the 25 balance. Correct.
Correct. So as we exit this year, the tendency for the discussion was is we were probably going to be adding to the reserves a little bit. Correct. So and then based upon where we settled
the budget for 2026, uh these numbers are going to float around a little bit, but it gives you an idea of what kind of cushion you got in there above your say 30%. Right. Correct. Yeah. I I think it's it's good to note
that we're in a really good financial position, right? Which just basically shows and so I obviously sort but remember that's because we haven't spent what we anticipated spending and we withheld
at this juncture we're probably looking at moving forward with spend. So that's why this is want to be in the forefront. Yeah. Well, I I think too with that, we really kind of uh sit back and make sure that our capital plan is in line with what we need and where we're at. Not
just because we have the money to do it, but it's just it's absolutely stuff we need. And I think that's going to be the best use of any of that money. Yeah. Much much rather be in this position and needing to spend money as opposed to not being in position need to spend money. So, yes, I think we're a good place to to really
start to to do some good things. Anything else on the reserve schedules? One of the other things you note that the um we have a lot of money in impact fees that we're certainly going to want to
try to utilize for water and sewer and we've got water and sewer projects. So maybe we want to go and click that one off first. I don't know if that needs to be at a 30% level or not. Um but those are for things that
you know impact our water and sewer which we do have issues there. Yeah. Um speaking of impact fees on the transportation impact fee um line did we did we check on if that was something we could use for Grand Boulevard. We still looking into that. Uh I'm still I'm still looking I don't have a
answer for anticipating that we can use some of that for for that project. Um, the other question I had on the on the police confiscation, is there anything you can let us know about what that can be used for? Well, I I think we have
purchases as far as body cams, vehicles, whatever. Yeah, I I think we have I'm working with um um the chief. I think we have some plans on to to kind of work with that in this this budget year on some things that we we kind of gathered this year that are a little more expensive than
what we had originally budgeted for. And that way we can eat it out of uh of that and not mess with our budget at all. So that that'll come down this next budget year. Good. One of the things on transportation uh can we utilize that for canal
maintenance since those are water highways? I'm going to I'm going to say probably not to that, but I can check into that. But I I I believe the big question is we have that uh is it the Grand Boulevard uh deal we were working on. It's supposed to be around 750,000. This would this would eat in a lot of that if
we were able to do that. That's what we're looking into to see if we can use it for that. Yeah. Any other questions? Good. I'll assume so. Okay. I'm good. Okay. Thank you. Uh next up, item number two, discussion on the capital
improvement plan. Again, pass it over to Mr. Thompson for his updates. Okay. Uh got a real quick slide I'm going to go through uh kind of kind of quickly. These are just some updates since our last budget meeting. Some things that we changed and um things like that. Um didn't do a whole lot to
impact our overall numbers. So, uh kind of impressed by that. Um so, overview uh our uh uh oh, so I messed that up. It's uh our FY25. It's supposed to be 26. No, 25. I did
that right. Okay. Budget adjustments made. Our net increase to overall budget was $3,521. So right now our revenues uh set at 33,860,851 and our expenditures set at $33,860
or $860851. Um internal allocations absorbed some of those cost variances. Um and I'll explain what those were going forward. Um personnel and benefits. Uh I did make a boo boo. I do that every now and then.
Um, so when I did the police uh um wages, I did it at three and a half percent instead of the PBA contracted 4%. So I went in and made those adjustments. Um, and that uh that add an additional 35 grand with uh with benefits. Um, our health insurance uh
had a 17% placeholder. It was sufficient, I think, for what we're going to go with. Uh, our percentage is a little bit lower, but we keep it at the 17% have that that little cushion in there going forward. So no adjustments were needed on that. What was the what was the percentage we're anticipating? 13. Uh about 14%. Right at 14%. I think 139
something I think. So right at 14. Um and our workers comp and liability property insurance. Uh we uh they come back with about a 13% increase with that. So I had to go in I didn't put that much in there. So I had to go in and fix that. So um but this slide um so our software and
technology uh I put in there we're we're doing under it and um uh now I was able to reduce that by about 35,000 and I think we still have a little cushion in there for some things that maybe I didn't miss or maybe things I missed that are tied to other line items that I couldn't find it in. Um, our state fees
for our red light cameras, we did go down on that. I left them the same in the original, uh, the first time I wrote this, and that kind of gave us a little leeway. We knew we could reduce that a little bit, and that gave me a little leeway to reduce that. So, I reduced that by about 50,000. Um, some questions on the lobbying services. I just wanted
to I broke that down on where we were paying for the lobby service out of. Um, general fund is 10,000. CRA, um, actually we actually talked about yesterday we actually increased this. So, I had 39,000 budgeted and we ended up going to 42 in case there was some
kind in case you guys wanted to do a uh increase for him. I know that we talked at last budget hearing or I'm sorry, the last contract that the contract was originally for 42, but he did it for 36. So, we may just in case we go to that 42 mark, we have it covered. Um, so CRA actually went to 8,000 from this 5,000.
That covered that $3,000 difference. uh water distribution at 6,000, wastewater treatment at 6,000, waste water at 6,000, storm water at 6,000. Um I also uh went ahead and adjusted our ad valerum on this one from 6.2976, which is our roll back. I went ahead and
just made it a nice round number at 6.29. It shows that we've actually reduced the taxes a little bit. It's not a whole whole lot. And that created uh about a negative 3,666.65, 65 which uh which really just was offset
by those other adjustments. Uh capital and debt changes. Um so we did remove the $250,000 from Penny for Pasco for the police vehic vehicles purchased by Penny for Pasco. Um one of the problems that we were having, we agreed that we' take that out and kind of put that back into Nick's park. Um,
but we had a couple meetings this week about our appropriations for the fire truck, and it looks like the fire truck is something we're going to have to pay for at least until we get it uh here uh and have had the title to it. So, we're going to have to make sure that we uh account for that every couple or every year for the next couple of years, at
least until we get it here. So, that's a $200,000 payment. So, I took that $250,000, reallocated a debt services for that firetruck payment. So, that was $200,000 for the firetruck and 25,000 for the admin fees in the in u in the uh interest on it. Um and then I I put the
other $30,000 in a wastewater vehicle purchase um to help offset. He does have enough and all of his line items to purchase a new truck in his regular um regular budget, but I added another $30,000 to see if uh um just as a uh
maybe or contingency for that. Um, just so you guys know, so on that the fire truck also, we got the $800,000 appropriation. Um, what they're telling us is that we have to actually have take delivery of it, have the keys in our hands, paid for before they can actually release the money. That seems odd to me.
Um, so I reached out to Mike um to kind of follow up on that. He's going to continue to do some work. In my mind, it would seem that once we actually pay for that um that regardless of whether we have it or not, if it's on order, it's paid for that they should release the funds. this budget for this year. But
supposedly this process is not uncommon. This happens a lot. And so you just go back every year and you reappropriate until you actually take delivery of of it and and then you get reimbursed. Um so they just roll those funds forward. Yeah. There's obviously some some accounting that goes behind that or
whatever. But a couple problems that that I have with that is, you know, obviously there's no guarantee it's free appropriate every year, right? Although it's it's pretty much a guarantee. doesn't go against us and it's just more of an administrative type thing. Um but he's going to continue to check into it.
I also um said, you know, well, if we're able to pay it off now, we save taxpayers from paying the interest along five years, four years. Um so by delaying it administratively, it's in budget now. It seems like we're forcing additional money to go out the door of taxpayer money towards interest payments, which doesn't make any sense
to me. So, he's going to talk with the new CFO, Blazia, and who's actually over the um uh the fire marshal, who we're dealing with, whatever, to see if there's another route. So, that's kind of in the works, but as of right now, we got a plan obviously to to do it this way. So,
all right. I just kind of wanted to give us a heads up on where we're at with Penny for Pasco. Uh we throw a lot of money into penny for pass to kind of help uh offset a lot of our big expenditures, but just kind of give us um uh food for thought. Our budget this in this fiscal year is 1.578 million.
Currently with the with the uh police cars, we are sitting at $838,49 spent. We only received about $75,000. So we're right now about $133,000 that we're going to dip in reserves for. We are
gonna uh place or appropriate $200 more thousand dollars for the canal. So we're at $1,ion38,000. So now we're sitting from reserves uh $333,000. So that's going to leave our reserves at 1 point roughly $1.2 million
for this fiscal year. So going forward, so there's another slide that you need to keep that $1.2 million in your mind. So on that I'm sorry. So pay paying for Pasco we show on your previous reserve fund schedule at 88% of budget.
Is that taking this into consideration or not taking consideration? Is that 88% after this or is that going to reduce that once that'll reduce that once we once we spend it? Yes. Okay. Because that those are built in the reserves are built in there. But now that you see what we have in reserves and what we're actually
going to spend in it kind of makes it'll make a little more sense that I need to cut back a little bit. Thanks. So we're so we're on track to spend a million cents is what the budget is for 25. Correct. Year to date we've we've
I think we're spending about 838K. That's what we've have. Yeah. With when I put the 250 thou or the 440,000 for the cars in there, that's what we spent 838,000 this year budget year. Now the 705 has that been added to well
yeah it's part of the 1.5 sorry what what was our starting point because I think our starting point in reserves we had a balance of over a million dollars we have 1.5 million was in there so for a penny for Pasco we had and then we added 700 to that so that
would bring it to 2.2 two. Uh, yes, you could say that. Mhm. Okay. Minus eight or or nine. So, we've got a good Is that what you're saying? The remaining is 1.4.
1.4 after we take out what we use this year. Okay. Now, we still we we go forward into 26. We're not done yet. We still have to take out the 200,000 we're going to uh appropriate. We have not appropriated that yet. So, now you're at a million 38 is what you've actually spent. And that's that's not everything we're purchasing. That's if we stop purchasing
right now. So we haven't met that 1.5 million, but we we're not done purchasing. So even if we slack back, let's say we don't spend 200,000, we're still going to be if we stopped at just the canal, we're at 1,ion38,000. So now you're pulling out $300,000 out of your reserve. There's a schedule that we had the
fiveyear schedule. I think I sent it to you guys. Yes. Remember that one? Yes. Did you do that walk with 2026 and 2728 all the way through 30 yet? Started I didn't have time to Okay, that's cool.
Yeah, but this is just this is just if we're starting at zero with with what we have in the reserves right now and what we're going for, but we got that reserve to start with. So, we're going to add next year's uh approp or Pasco that comes in going down. G Yeah, give me a second. I'm gonna we're gonna We got problems and I'm
going to get to them. Okay. All right. Second. Go ahead. All right. So, are we all clear on that? So, if we stop now, well, we'll be at another $200,000. So, we're at $1.2 million in reserves after we don't spend nothing else after we do the canal. We exit this year. As we as we exit this year.
All right. So, that's our starting point. 1.2. We go to the caution. So, they did a revision. Uh I guess the h the state did some kind of uh they repealed a conference um tax this year. So, it lowered everybody's penny for Pasco amount. So everybody in this county and everybody in mostly everybody
in the state, there's only a few counties that went up. Uh we were one of those that went down. So every city in in Pasco County went down. So I put that in here. What they put in there, it's a um the 2% business tax repeal adopted by the uh conference on July 15th. We were
estimated to get 749,188. That's what we budgeted for, but it went to $74,917. That's a draw loss of $44,271 for next fiscal year. Hey Adam, when they um whatever cause
this, did they actually do did they do a reforcement where they actually look at the population in this too or they just Yeah, there's in the in the form there's a a formula in there. So what they do is they they dropped it in there. Yeah. So the county lost we everybody in the Yeah. So this one because it came up
within the last year. I I think maybe Chad was in the audience that mentioned about something about we should we have this looked at and I said well you got to be careful what you wish for because if you you may go in and actually get some well that's exactly what happened is they looked at it and um not not at
our request I think just happened to be timing wise but uh they looked at it and we actually got lower. So that's that's we did get a lower allocation. Yes, that's what this is. That's over and above this. This is something else. He's talking about a business tax that was eliminated from the calculator,
right? But at the same time, that's why I ask him. Yeah, this comes out a penny for Pasco portion with population. So, there was a two-step effort to reduce That's what I'm asking. I'm assuming they when they looked at it, they opened up the entire Right. They said other cities went down as well. Okay. And it it says in here they um I think
the only thing uh Simol County uh was the only thing that actually changed because they did two changes so far this year. one was our original and then Simol County rose and then they did this uh uh adjustment here. Yeah. So, we're actually making less money than we made this fiscal year. Right. But Pasco gets all the money and
then they have an allocation that goes to all their shies and that's what you're talking about, right? That's correct. Yeah. That's a sales tax that this this is penny for Pasco. This is what we get for the 1 cent or half cent sales tax. Statewide conference like a bed tax. It's a conference fee and that
Yeah, that was but that brings it down everywhere. Right. right as opposed to reallocating what's coming to Pasco County which is the other step. So that's my question happening. So did Pasco County in this calculation when
they got their lower allocation they take that and then they aortion it to the cities. So that so the interlocal agreement we have with Pasco County is for the sales tax in the in the county. That's a totally different thing that goes to the general fund. This is penny for Pasco.
is that half cent sales tax that they voted on last November and it got adopted again. That's what gets appropriated to us and it it comes from the comes from the state but we have an interlocal agreement with the county that we get a certain portion Richie gets a certain portion this is penny for Pasco only the other h the other sales
tax is general fund money but that hasn't changed but the appropriation or the allocation to the cities from Pasco County has not changed no the the percentage has not changed it was just that the this 2% went down and we we lost that so they did not look at that enforcement
then finish this we didn't also have a sense change in addition to the statewide reduction. Did we? That's I think what you get now, right? No. No. It was just that apparently this that when they voted on this, this new tax was not coming through. They repealed it. So, it was just it just lowered everything.
If you got all the items that are taxable and now some items are not taxable, we got a smaller tax across Yeah. Yeah. So, that's what he's talking about. Yes. Yeah. This is Penny for Pasco. I apologize. Yeah. So, there's there's penny for Pasco, which is a half cent sales tax. That's what we buy all our
infrastructure or big items with. And then there's the sales tax that goes into the general government. That that has not changed. But potentially people could spend higher than what they're estimating. Correct. And the actuals are what actually dictates what comes in.
Correct. Yeah. This is just estimate. Sure. Right. Any other questions on that? That that is that that stinks. I ain't going to lie to you. I mean, $40,000 is a lot of money to to lose anywhere to be honest with you. Um, then we we talk about the
2526 outlook for Penny for Pasco. Um, this was before that. So, if we our projected revenues are now 704 uh 917 we have a proposed budget of around 1.8 million 1.792 million. Our
reserve draw down on that would be, you know, one 1,ion43 and then projected after that would probably be around $400,000 in our in our uh in our coffers. So, I only put that in here and I put the sloth in here to say maybe we slow down
our spending. We need to stay somewhere in in around that $700,000 mark every year um going forward because we're $44,000 less. We're getting $44,000 less this year, right? Um and then a summary of uh balance uh
balancing actions. Personnel costs overages offset by operating reductions. I I spoke about that earlier. Uh capital needs adjusted for cash flow and priority which uh I believe we've done that and that's what we're here to talk about today. And then the re reallocations uh ensured no new
appropriations uh needed from our from our reserves and stuff like that. So we're we're in good shape with what we have. Um key items to monitor. Um the police baseline uh increases for future years. Um I know we're going to uh um
PBA uh negotiations this year. Uh keep those in in mind with with what we got. Our insurance uh cost trends are, you know, going up in the double digits. So we keep an eye on that. Uh penny for Pasco revenue draw downs. We need to keep an eye on that. Firetruck debt
servicing ramp up. So again, we now added that to our debt services for paying for Pasco. Um and then our lifestyle our life cycle planning for uh vehicles um everywhere really. So we need to look at the life cycle on those things and kind of do that appropriately. And that is just you know
not saying that we don't need these things. It is just saying hey we need to be more cognizant that we don't have a pocket full of money sitting somewhere to help offset those things. Question on that last one. Yeah. Do you have a a a capital ledger for all the all the city assets?
So, departments I know police is doing that. I'm assuming that uh fire and uh utility is doing the same with all their vehicles showing that they've got a maintenance schedule. They know uh that they've got to perform all changes and
what whatever tires what whatever it is. But so kind of snapshot as to the the state of each vehicle and when it reaches a point of obsolescence whether it's incurred too much repair cost and
that kind of thing. So so the only thing we have uh in the finance department we have an asset module that we keep our assets asset ledger but it doesn't it doesn't uh attribute no that kind of thing to it. So I I don't have that. Now, going forward, our the plan is is, you know, we're we're introducing this new kind of uh
purchasing um/utility role that we're hoping that we can uh put that in where we keep track of that in one ledger in one database. So, the police would send theirs and fire and that way it takes that off of them and we kind of keep that there and that way when we come to you guys, we can we have that answer.
Hey, you know, we had this vehicle, it needs to be um it's time to let it go and and it's costing us x amount of dollars. We do need that. Uh it's something we don't have currently, but it is something in the works and we understand that it's a it's a priority going forward. Okay. Well, I'm glad you got it on your goals for 2000.
Yes, we're working on it. You got to be thinking about it and it looks like you are. So, that's we're we're dealing with it. You know, we uh Yeah, I see that. That's me actually. I've actually reached out to McKim
Creed, uh one of their engineers, Allison, who we work with on some other things. Uh, I talked to her about asset management plans, right? And she's an expert at that and so u I'm going to meet with her I think it's next week I'm supposed to sit down with her and talk about that. So am I.
So Oh, you want to join us? No. Well, so I I'm afford person. I don't like paying for things that we don't need. My previous job was as man. So anyway, I I I don't like paying for things we don't need. uh doing this
thing is is kind of a it's going to be a daunting task for everybody to keep that in mind. He is talking to somebody. I kind of agree that maybe we get something that that keeps it more u automated for us and you know can uh kind of you know something that that the police wouldn't have to bring us anything. They can fill those in
themselves or Jackie or whoever back there can do that and the fire department can do the same thing and it just come to one central location so that we have it and we know what we're doing and stuff like that that that serves that function. Right. There's other things in other than that. We need to know where all our pipes are, the
condition of our pipes, roads. And Daryl Daryl's working with a company, Civic Plus, I think, right now, trying to get that in place, right? You know, my my only concern with that is is our software line lines right now need to be under control. So, we have a lot of software right now that we're
overlapping in what we do. We have a software line for um for uh work orders out in utility. We pay for one with our software line we have right now. So, there's overlap in a couple things we do. Um, we need to we need to streamline that and make that better. So, we're not
paying for things we don't need. So, when you start adding these things, we're not just adding $12,000 a year. We're adding we're taking away 8,000, maybe adding 12,000. And we're we can we can offset that $4,000 some way, but we need to understand what we're paying for right now. And it was hard to do that with the way we were handling things
before, especially between different departments. with this we can get with George and we know what we're paying for, where it's going, and if we have any overlap, can we fix that? And we do need these other things like Civic Plus for outside because it'd be hard for me to keep track of all the pipes and how old they are and if they're as bestus
ridden or whatever the case may be. That that needs to be something that needs to be handled by its own uh little organization. But also, the cars in here need to be one of those things, too, because you're not asking me about the age of pipes, you're asking about cars and things like that. And that's what we need to have an answer for going forward. So, we're working on that.
Ellen and and if we had a pipe map then would we could see that hey we know the southside needs uh pipes so so much in pipes and start allocating for that right and planning. Yeah. And I and I think
going forward, this is kind of where we need to be. Like, you know, we I don't think I think we threw money at things and said, "Hey, we we need to do this." And we don't do it. And, you know, when we have a plan and things like that, I think that we need to stick to those plans and move forward with it, you know, because this is where you're getting this, you know, $12 million in
in um um uh reserve funds is we're not following through with our plan. So when we come to you and want to ask you for something or if you know utilities come to ask you for something well you know you didn't spend $4 million of your capital improvement last year and so we need to we need to have a plan we need to follow through with and that's where
we as a finance department need to step in and help help with that also because they have other things to do. So it's our job to make sure we do that and I think this next year we have a plan to fix that. So we we will fix that. Um, and you know, again, I think what we've implemented with the PO system and
stuff, our revenues are showing that it's working. And, you know, we're not willy-nilly spending. And I think that that's a that's a good thing. I It's a it's a but we can get better. And I think streamlining those things is the way we do that. And that's working together with the police and the fire and utilities and making sure we have those things in place so that when you
ask me, I'm not like, I don't know, you know, so I I want to know. So, but that's about it. Do y'all have any questions on that? I mean, everything is is is uh kind of the same as it was before. We we have that 3% increase for salaries. Uh fix the the uh police department. It you know, like I said, it
only messed our budget up $3,500. So, I think that's a very good very good thing, Mr. Mayor. You good? If I may. All right. Just I'm proud of the uh at the work we've
done where we can not only lower the millage rate, but slightly actually lower taxes. In fact, if uh if the council agrees to 6.29 took a lot of figuring, I really commend uh Adam and his department for the hard work on this. Uh I'm very comfortable with the
level of reserves. The governor is actually going around in the state making sure people aren't holding on to too much reserves. Otherwise, maybe you're feeling overt taxed. So, I don't think we're overt taxed. I think we're lean and we can spend some of these reserves on good projects that improve the city. So, I think we're well
positioned to do that. some of the and I think I think this budget helps do that. I mean, sometimes in your life, even in your personal life, you have to sit back and say, "Okay, let me eat ramen for a couple months." This allows us to really sit back and, you know, as a as a finance director, I I kind of do now, but you know, I can really hold people to the fire. Why are we spending
this? What do you need it for? Things like that. And that way when we make our budgets and we do things, you know, we have a better understanding of where this money goes, where it comes from. And tight years really, really do that. And I don't think you can get any tighter than we than we are right now uh with where we're at. Then the last
couple of pieces of the puzzle are uh the uh health insurance which we've got the special meeting pri Thursday. I appreciate everybody uh helping us out with that. But whichever way we go uh we're down to within the planned budget.
We allotted 17 as as high as 17 and we looks like we'll be able to secure something at 14 or or slightly less. So and then uh is liability and property still out? We we incre we increase that. We're all good on there. So, that met budget, too. So, I think I
think think we're in good shape. Again, we'll look to do even better next year, but with more predictability with asset management plans and having a a pipe map and plans on when we're cameraing and smoke checking and cleaning, uh getting on schedules for scheduled maintenance in every area.
Um before we get into actual CIP, I know you guys have questions on what we're spending and why we're spending. Before we get into that, um, we do need to kind of solidify our budget hearings, our first and our second budget hearing. And I know we're at the mercy of the, uh, school board. And I think we found two dates that work for us on they're
Thursdays at 5:30. Um, and, uh, it's September 4th and it's September 18th. Those are both on Thursdays at 5:30. Does that sound doable for everybody? September 4th and 18th. 18th. Mhm. As long as council weeks.
It stays in cadence with previous that work with everybody. And this gives us a little time. The 18th gives a little time. If we have to fix anything, we can bring it back before you go. Um, and there's a possibility I won't be here on
the 18th, but I can always zoom in. As long as we have three here. So, when do you get back? of August. Okay. So So you'll be here in September.
Well, I got a meeting Monday. September. September. We're asking about the budget hearings September 4th and 18th. You'll be in town for those. September 14th. fourth and 18th.
Thursday. Yeah. Thursday 4th, Thursday 18th. It's It's the off week. No problem. Okay. Yeah. Chris Chris, he'll be remote. We've got to have at least three council people here. And Dave's obviously leave at the end of the month and, you know, so his replacement,
whoever that is, would would possibly be here as well. But if we got myself, you and Lisa committed, we should be good. Well, what time? 5:30. Well, you're going to have a new You're going to have a new person. Well, we don't know who this what their schedule's going to be. Maybe they're out of town. That's what I'm saying.
We're probably okay, but I'm just seeing what Bob's doing because we know his schedule, right? Keep in mind, too, you're going to need to appoint a new person for the Tampa Bay Regional Planning. That's correct. Yeah. Yeah. So, Okay, I think we're good for those two
work. Y I just need a confirmation because I have to let TBT know this for the second hearing as well. So yeah, that's perfect. So okay. So I I'll start with my stuff and then the other departments can run through their CIP and explain to you why
they need it. Okay. Um so for uh the general government uh we in building maintenance uh we have uh replaced an air conditioning unit. We had this in last year's budget. Um we did not do that. I put it in there again. Uh I think we should go ahead and replace that out there. I think for energy efficiency and
things like that. Um yeah, I I concur just just on the fact that you know this building is going on its 25th 26th year. Um it's good to have at least one unit in in reserve in case we have to start swapping them out. So, um, maintenance-wise, we do have a
maintenance program every year for all the air conditioners in the building. Um, they come out twice a year to make, you know, they blow out they blow out all the lines. The filter the filters are are changed um, every quarter. So, it's just they're getting to a point where we might have to start changing
out units. So, we like to keep at least one in case we need the money for it. Am I looking at here? What we just going to talk through the What? What am I looking at here? Um, well, this one should be in there. Hold on one second. Something. Yeah, this one should be in the council packet.
16. The police department. All right. Hold on. Page 16. Yeah. I'm sorry. I got mine in front of me. So I I didn't go through the thing. Yeah. Page 16. to what happened
going out order I guess. Okay. So there's like multiple over there on the police side. Would it be better Adam to cover these in order in a packet or you uh we can do that. Why don't we do that? Just so we people follow along. So let's go to page eight
and talk about the uh remote well field generator first. Okay. Uh and Daryl's not here and he'll he'll back up what I say. I I had a conversation with Daryl, but the remote remote well fill generator is uh part of the five-year plan. It was two years. This is the last year. It's the last uh
$62,100 that's uh in that plan. It's just to upgrade the the You spent 60 grand last year. We did. Okay. And we got a follow on spend of 62100. Yeah. And um we we put that in there, but uh talking to Sam, we don't think we'll need that much money, but we put
it in there just to be in case because there is some electrical stuff and stuff we want to do uh that has to be done with it. So, and what what fund did this hit? Um, this is coming out of uh the water plants. Really? Yeah. 400 the water plant. So, none of these uh not well I
this isn't out of C um out of penny for Pasco. Why wouldn't it come out of water utility? It is. It is utility. That particular utility fund. Yeah. There's there's three there's at least four different breakdowns of the utility
fund. You got utility billing, you got the water plant, then you have the utility um waste water. I don't see a line item for that item. Well, it very well could be mixed in with something. That's that's my point is we should have a line item for every single one. That
way we know what the spent is, right? Well, you can't uh when you put it in that line item, so if you're talking about just CIP stuff, you'd have to make a line item that says well generator um to to do that. So
in other words, at the end of the day, we ought to be able to reconcile what's in our GL to that schedule that shows all of our capital spend, right? Yeah. Yeah. In a in a perfect world, that's exactly what you should do. But the thing is, our system doesn't allow us to do that. Right now, uh we are out
of uh uh organ um not organization, but object codes. Okay. I couldn't. So, and then that was when we was talking on the phone this morning. I already talked to the auditors. I was about changing some of those object codes, but because um they can go back, anybody could ask for anything. It's hard to change the object
codes because you may still get audited and have to pull something back from those. Right. So, at the end of the day, we're going to be well, I don't know. like well and we are and again uh this being my first actual budget I'm working on. We have gone through and made there is there was some uh object codes that we weren't using that we did input in here
but I haven't had a chance to go through every line and make sure that if there was something we were doing that that matching object code but yes I agree with you. So essentially, you're going to have to have a spreadsheet that ties out all those spend projected budgeted spends. And if they're they're grouped
in a single line item, you're going to know what the detail is behind. I tried to put in the notes in there, but again, the system is not great. There is some notes in there that that spell it out. So like if you if you look for like this one right here, it says replace air conditioner unit, replace and upgrade sound and commission. I
tried to do that with with everything that didn't have its own breakdown line item. So I try to do that with some of those things. All right. Or most of them that I could find an object code for. But we will at some point in time get a schedule like that, right? Yes. I would love to find some time to
do that. At the end of the day, in order to get to that final number, you have to have some detail to get to that final number. So they Well, that's that's what I'm saying is is are you pulling all this stuff? You know, they're not just pulling out of the air. I mean, they got No, Evidently, they got support for it. I just
it somewhere. Yeah. in detail. I'm sure you got spreadsheet that lines all that out to get you this number. Yes. And and again, I didn't say $10 million and I want to be able to here. Again, I didn't pull it out because, you know, the budget is this thick and it would take me 10 minutes to try to find
that one item where we put it. I can absolutely try to document that in a Excel form for you on the budget and try to send that to you. But again, um I I think that all these things that I put in there with me and Daryl went and talked about I did make some notes in there so that it's it's covered in there
on what it what the breakdown is. Okay? But you're gonna have some breakdowns. It's going to have some and then there's some CIP projects for smaller like tools and stuff like that that I didn't make a note for. So you're going to see an oddball number and you're going to come ask me the same question. What is that for? So this I'm not an accountant but the
you object codes, right? and we're we're out of them. And so I would assume that in one object what's an object code is it? Let me characterize. So the object code for like uh building maintenance that would be an object code. So I could object code to building maintenance. And again, so what what is that code? Just uh it's uh 460.
Okay. So 460. So I'm assuming that if you you could take whatever you do track your detail, you could have a sub subobject code. So 460- A. No. B. It doesn't allow you to do that. No, it's 460 system. But no. Yeah. If we we could do that. Yes. Something that if Dave reached out and
he wanted to know where these line items were, you you could have that breakdown outside the accounting system. Yeah, we could do that. Back. So if the question asked where is this, you know, it's in 460. And and and again, the notes aren't for y'all. They're really for me. When I put those in there when I, you know, because I knew you were going to ask, I I put those notes in there so that I know what
what it is, too. But also so you can look at it because it this accounting system is is horrible. I agree with what he says. In a perfect world, that's the way it should be. should have a 460 461 because 460 if I do 460 uh air conditioner 460 this it's going to roll it up into the same thing anyway it's not going to give you two different
lines that says right but you could take the 460 and you could put lease you could put it in admin you put it anywhere utility so now you got the ability to spread it around a little bit right we do and but in this one line though we have two different things in building maintenance and it's it's
combined it together without those notes it's just $80,000 it doesn't tell you there's 40,000 for this 40,000 for that. You have to actually go in there and make notes on it. Building maintenance would never end up in cap X, right? It's not in capital expenditure. It's it's in uh No, but we were all those all those
forms that we were talking about add up to the capital that's in penny for Pasco. Um yeah, this well this is penny for well penny for Pasco is not available for any maintenance. So it's for but only for things that have a life greater
than five years. Correct. And that's what these things see. No expenditures in there. This isn't in capital. This isn't in penny for Pasco. This is out of utility. This is out of our regular fund. Okay. But I do see uh I do see operating
expenditures coming through in Penny for Pasco. That makes me think that they shouldn't be there. Well, these are everything in here is a five-year uh uh plan. And again, I'm following suit with the way it has been uh for, you know, if you look back in the operating
expenditures for 19, we have we have actuals going back all the way to 22. So, when you when you look at that, I mean, it's it is but you could you could argue to an auditor that this is capital expenditure. It is. It's a huge amount of money and it's for an upgrade to to something that will last more than 5 years.
Well, then it should sit on your capital ledger. Well, you're you're probably right and I brought this issue up in prior years and uh your predecessor had uh couldn't answer the question. So, uh my concern
is the way I read penny for Pasco, you have to have an expenditure that is going to be basically a capital asset. And it brought the issue up about canals and using things uh to do that or and equipment.
You can't you can't capitalize a canal though. So the thing is I mean you can it's a it's a road. Well it's a road. Well I get what you're saying but you can't you can't capitalize when you talk about capital asset that's a motor that I can say okay this has five years I put in our capital expenditure plan. Pipes
you know these are you know things that uh you know now the air conditioner. Yes, you can you can capitalize the air conditioner and you will when it comes in, but it's part of it's it's really part of a a maintenance thing that needs to happen with the city. It is a five it's over the 5year mark and I mean I think we're we're tip for tat when it
comes to capital expenditures or just you know uh operating expenditures. But I get what you're saying if that's what you wanted to change as a collective whole you tell me what to do. I'm following suit with the way we've done it and this is the first conversation I've had where you don't like it like that. We can obviously change that going forward. saying is is at the end of the
day have a document that basically explains the five W's why we're acquiring this particular item of capital nature and we have a good story to tell rather than we
just wanted it right I want to make sure there's a legitimate need that's my only concern and then maybe go back and look at at these items that you have in here for maintenance. Should we have maintenance
items in penny for Pasco? Well, so well I agree with you. If you if you want that changed, I mean I can change that. Uh expenditures and capital expenditures is you know when I when you look at it as a capital expenditure, a car is a capital expenditure. I understand a air conditioner's capital
expenditure. Again, these things were were placed in here and I I could argue it that you know it's an it's an operating expenditure. It is an air an air conditioner is an operating expenditure. It's part of your building. It's it's the way it is. We're not buying a new building. We're not buying a new motor. We're buying a new thing.
And we will capitalize it. And I mean, I think it's just it's pulling hairs at this point on where it goes. You know, we can fix it if that's what you want. We can fix that. It's not a problem. I mean, I don't know that I would want to go back and fix it in this budget because it affects, you know, uh 10
different lines. But going forward, if if that's the way it wants to be spelled out and this uh this commission wants it, we can absolutely do it that way. Uh okay, good on that one. Yeah. Um the second thing, uh I believe
the production well one through eight through Yes. So um that's an $80,000 spend that is coming out of uh um the uh utility fund. Um, we did spend $150,000. I that was a pretty recent purchase, I do believe. Uh, me and Daryl sat down
and made the purchase order for it. So, we're we're spending $80,000 on that this year to follow through with the with the capital expenditure plan. Why do we why are we not putting the funding sources in the the blank for the reason that we left? That was Daryl. We did. Okay. So,
truthfully, I wasn't part of this last year. This was uh uh Matt did most of this. So, when I got here, I was working on hurricane stuff and stuff like that. So, I wasn't part of this part of it. So, I my the way I've always done capital expenditures and budget meetings are was a little different. I was planning on doing it my way. I was sent
these things and say, "Hey, this is the way we want it." So, I was up against the wall trying to get these things done. So, of course, I had um uh I couldn't even find this report. I had to kind of recreate it and then he sent it to me last jam job is what this is. Everything that is in here is inside the
the the budget. Okay. Yeah. We'll do better next year. So for this capital improvement plan project I believe didn't Matt generate these or I did. Yeah. Okay. You did and I do like the funding source because
that way you know the account or the source is coming from uh in the description down here. The sustainability would allow a city produce its own potable water uh as opposed to purchasing from another city at a high rate of cost.
doing on what we spent last year on this stuff for buying water and how this would offset. That stuff should self- sustain. And so those numbers should reflect the amounts uh that we
won't be spending as a result of this 80 $80,000 spend. Right. Yeah, I agree with you. So um and and we have an account that tracks the spend from purchasing water, right? We know what we spent for purchasing water,
right? Correct. Um so having that information there when you compare, let's say we spent 100 grand and spending this 150 and this 80 subsequent year is going to make that go to zero for example. So that's an
$80,000 uh uh reduction reduction in perpetuity. Right. Right. So in you know basically in two and a half years you got full payback on that thing. So those are the kinds of things that send the signal hey this is a
worthwhile thing to do. You got a two and a half year payback. You're looking at what you're spending. You're looking at what you're not spending. And now you're doing the comparison. And it's easy to make a quick decision. This is a green light. I I assume that this is this is second year two of this plan and
you guys approved that plan. I'm assuming that that was explained to you guys when we agreed when you guys agreed to spend this in the first place. It never was. And and and that's probably true. So again, these are things that I can we can definitely work on going forward for improvement. Yeah.
Any questions on that? No. No. Next one would be the uh super lift station. Um yeah. Yeah. So, this is a uh another $100,000 for the list. Before we move ahead real quick, could
could that come out of the impact fund the the two the a rehab for water water wells. Well, I think the water impact is for uh greater. You have to make it greater
consump uh well, it is you're going from a well be wait a minute. It's greater because we don't have that capacity. We're adding something to add capacity. We're buying outside water. So now we're adding capacity internally. Well, well, no, they're they're
basically re redoing. Yeah. It's a it's a rehab. I mean, unless we were unless we were fixing what we have. Yeah. And unless we were taking it from a more Well, you're not going to produce more. Produce what it should be producing. We're not going to be buying extra water, right? Well, you're you're calling it rehab. I mean, we're not calling
upgrade. We're not calling it We're not saying We're not saying we're taking it from a 800,000galon water tank to a $900,000 water g water tank. That may that may suffice for the fact that we're Yeah. Passing a tire in a car, Dave. Yeah. This is This is a rehab tire in a car.
Not necessarily. We're buying extra water by doing this. We don't have to buy extra If you're buying extra water because the the stuff you have isn't producing what it's supposed to be producing. That's right. By fixing it, it does produce. That's right. So you're not you're not upgrading it. You're fix you're bringing
it back to its original production value. But we've got diminished capacity over time. We're rehabbing this thing to produce what it's supposed to. So we don't have to buy. Yeah. So you're not you're not increasing anything. If it if it at one time produced 230,000 gallons and it's
only going to produce 230,000 gallons, you haven't increased one more gallon so that we can make it make it fit into this. You're not going to regret ride impact fees. But if your tire is flat on your car and you just go rent a car, you're paying for a car. If you fix the tire, it
doesn't increase anything on that car. But you don't have to rent one. I mean, we want to use impact fees when we can. I get that. I don't see that this is Well, well, those Well, if the impact fees really, we we have these uh these water projects. There's no reason why if
we pull, you know, we have money for it. We already have the set aides for it. if we pull these up, why we couldn't uh take that impact money and fix other things in the ground with that impact fee money. So there's there's there's a there's there's ways to spend it with those impact. That's for sure.
Um lift stations. Um so this is replace pumps, control panels, float valves, check valves. Uh this is part of that five-year plan. Another $100,000 to make sure we have all 48 or 46 of our lift stations up to date. Is that right? And that's coming out a penny for Pasco.
This one is coming I I believe this is uh regular budget. I believe this is uh coming out of um utilities. This is utilities as well. So there is some in here uh coming out of penny for Pasco that's going into the grant fund to help uh with our um our
our cost. This is above and beyond the the million dollar let's face appropriation. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. This is just for us to go out and fix them and the million dollars whatever they have planned for that million dollars. Yeah. This is take care of the rest of it or whatever. I see bigger more efficient pumps.
That's that sets off that uh impact bigger pumps more capacity. Yeah, that under sustainability. You know, the other thing that this story if we knew what the repairs were in the previous year and stuff like
that, you could compare uh but and you're going to three-phase which you reduce electric uh cons doing that as well, right? So that's that's all good stuff. Um and then we have the vehicle replacement program
uh for Daryl. Um, so I put enough money in there through auto's uh funds to purchase one vehicle. So I do the fire department next if we can skip ahead. After you're done with this one, just Okay.
If you can let us be the next department so I can let Tom go. Yeah, that's all. All right. So yeah, this is just replacing one truck and we have that built into the uh uh one this year uh the 76,000. So, normally what happens is he takes some of that out of utility and
some of that out of um of penny for Pasco, but Okay. Yeah. So, this year we didn't place hardly any money in there for penny for Pasco, but I did put enough in there throughout all the three funds to purchase one vehicle. So, it was about $70,000. There is after reducing the
cars for this, there is $30,000 in car purchase over there. So, if he can find two trucks that would come out to be, you know, $100,000, then he can buy two trucks. But right now, what we built in there really is is enough for one vehicle, and that's out of the um utility fund.
Okay. Also, is this is it'd be a good idea to put what his current inventory looks like so that you kind of see where this fits in. If this comes in, something goes away. What's that? Does something go away out of this?
Uh, yeah. So, he has some older charts that'll be So, this is this is where looking at the whole picture. [Music] We can check would be beneficial to everybody. Not tight. You are.
We're not We're not I thought I made Yeah. Do you need one? I'll share with him. Okay. So, we'll uh we'll talk about the uh fire fire department now. Um so, the
first one here is for um a 20 one foot fire response boat uh forund on each project. Yeah. Do you want me to talk about what we're going through with our presentation of our slides that we have? Do you have presentations?
Yeah. It's just a couple basic exact. Go ahead. Go ahead. Yeah. Go ahead. I'm sorry. Go ahead. Yes. Go ahead. Okay. Thank you, Mayor. How you guys
doing? I apologize that I'm remotely. I wish I could be there, but uh trying to take care of some stuff. So, you'll see on the board there, Ashley, don't mind clicking through it. So the first thing that in our presentation that we have for our a for our capital improvements, this capital improvement we're doing is
following our fiveyear and sixyear plan that we set about three years ago. Um so everything that you see inside this plan is something that we addressed about three years ago. We even developed a plan. Um and we said hey what are our needs? What do we do we see that our our department in the future you know fit
and fiscally responsible? This took care of what we refer to as the capital improvement side. There was obviously other needs of making sure we retain employees, training and everything else. So this came down to the comp the needs. So this wasn't something that we just threw together. This was something that we knew that this was the plan. So the
first thing you'll see on there is the fire station needs assessment. Uh 2024 and 20 2025 we budgeted $50,000. That $50,000 took care of facility site planning, systematic floor plan, school color perspectives, everything we're currently working on that you guys
already approved, but we only spent $35,000 um on that. So, we had a uh we kind of overbudgeted on that. Um when speaking with the individuals again, they're like, "Hey, we should probably budget about another $35,000." Um, and what this year we're hoping to
to take care of in those needs is the community risk assessment, our service area analysis, stakeholder input, energy efficiency, sustainability planning, and utilities and infrastructure reviews. Um, to make sure that what we're doing can can do those. Um, so that's one of
our CIPs for penny for pass. Uh, any questions on I have a question. So, um, so out of the 50,000, you only spent 35. So, are we spending the other 15 or you because uh I thought the 35 was included with the
eight uh 50 make it 85. So, we don't you only spent 35. So, we have $15,000 left over out of that. Yeah, that's what we referenced and referenced about because of the lighting package coming in over like we talked about about three four I think about $4
extra,000 because of tariffs and everything. Um, that's what we were going to um ask to do the budget transfer on like we discussed. That sounds familiar. So, we only need 20 instead of 35, right? So, well, we're asking for $35,000 this
coming fiscal year. We budgeted $50,000 last fiscal year. We spent 35 of the $50,000 to get us to where we are. That took care of facility site planning. Our floor plans that we're working on currently are full color perspectives, conceptual estimates of how much we
think this project's going to cost us on the geotechnical and contaminant services on properties that we we look at. And the 15,000 I think he wants to reappropriate to something else this year. Yeah, he just explained their So So you guys are aware that the one
after um the lining package for the F250 truck. Yes. Okay. I mean, we're not we didn't change anything. Just unfortunately, the way things are and tariffs, everything being put on it, even though it's built in the United States, components don't come from elsewhere, the the price came back a
little bit more on the lighting than what we we budgeted for. Um, and part of that too is we budgeted for a Dodge um 2500 and um Mr. Copler at the time suggested that we stick with the Ford just for sustainability of the truck.
that the truck cost a little bit more than what we anticipated also. Um but it's not going to eat up all that $15,000. We're well within our whole overall budget. It's just we might need to to offset a little bit line item from another line item and do a budget transfer.
Okay. But there won't be any additional funds. We'll actually be giving money back and pay for the share. Any questions on the fire station needs assessment? No. This 35 is in your current budget? Yes.
Yeah. The 3500 we put in. Um the next one you're going to see is small equipment 41,129. Where we came to that number um is roughly 16,00 129 of that is for firefighting saws,
fire hose, fire hand tools, a vehicle pedal color which you see a picture of that portable lighting and electric vehicle firefighting equipment. Um our fire hose we have it set on a replacement schedule. So we never don't have fire hose. Um so it has a 10-year
cycle. Um sometimes hose gets obviously damaged be before the 10 year life. Most of our large diameter hose that doesn't get used as often just gets exercised has the longest life to it, but our hose that we use crush fires sometimes have some burnt umness through
it. So an average section of inch and 3/4 hose probably goes for about $250 to $300, believe it or not, for 50 foot section. Um, so where we came with the $16,000 asking for a saw, battery operated saw, switch from there. Um, just basic firefighting hand tools,
replace ones that break and all that other stuff. The vehicle paddle cutter, which is roughly about $8,000 itself. Um, and electric vehicle fire equipment, obviously, like I said before, changing. Um, we're dealing with electric vehicles and
ebikes more often. So, it kind of really deals with anything kind of dealing with the the lithium ion batteries which we have a pretty significant increase after the flooding. Um, in addition to that is $25,000 that equipment that's being asked for is for dry suits for
firefighters during water rescue and flooding responses. Um, one of the issues we seen during Hurricane Helen was we only had three dry suits for the whole department because we typically didn't have to have a good number of the firefighters in dry suits. You know,
typically we have three guys off our shifts. Those three dry suits are varying size shares. Um, some are a little baggy, some a little tight. Uh, the problem we had was we needed everybody to have dry suits. Some people had waiters on and waiters are designed for that just waiting in the water.
They're not designed to actually go in the water and retrieve people like we were doing. Um, so some of our guys can do to be able to to conduct those rescues and flooding things. Um, so we're looking to do dry suits for firefighters and again we're going to
buy a variety of sizes, common sizes. Nobody's going to get one directly to them. It's going to be one size fits most and that's what we'll do. Um, in addition to that, it's going to be rescue PFDs, which is a certain type of personal flotation device designed for to conduct rescues, other water rescue
related PPs, helmets, stuff like that. Um, as you guys know, we are one of the few departments in the area that have our a rapid diver team. Um, that rapid diver team, we're looking at increasing that capabilities to other vehicles. Um, so
at this point in the boat, we'll have a rapid diver set for a submerged cap size boat. uh if a plane goes in the water or something along those guys will go in uh and then replace the inflatable rescue boards that we lost uh this past fiscal
year. Any questions on the small equipment? I have a question for you. Um Mike, I've got a question for you on the uh handheld Hurst thing there. That is that thing waterproof? Can you go under water
with it? Um, that one is so all of our tools currently, that's why can go underwater. That is one that currently right now isn't going to go underwater, but they told us by the next FDIC they'll have a model that can go underwater. So, we budget because they
don't know exactly how much it's going to be. And we budgeted for what they assume the cost would be of that. Um, which could be a little bit more and a little bit less, but that's okay because, you know, if we have to maybe not get an a section of codes or something like that, we can we'll figure it out. You know, we we always do. We
don't ever go over our penny for past expenditures, but yes, um that that will be something that that can go underwater. I don't think they make one yet. Okay. Okay. Thank you. No problem. Thank you. Um next slide.
So, the next slide is our safety equipment. Um the NFTA has a 10ear which National Fire Protection Association had a 10-year replacement cycle on all of our gear. So what we did was we got a list of everything um and looked at how much a year is going to be going out of
service in the future in the next one, two, three, four years. Um we found out that an average replacement of six sets. So you you'll see everything here is going to be six helmets, six sets of boots, six six sets of an average of six sets is going to be going out of service
10ear replacement cycle. that doesn't take into consideration if there was to be um something damaged due to unforeseen circumstance, a call, something that we refer to as so the safety equipment for 18,000 yards is something that we put in a while ago. We've been doing it every year. Um and
that addresses replacing and updating any anything that's done out of date, our fire helmets, our fire gloves and hoods, our firefighting boots, our brush and vehicle accident here. Um, as you know, we've had like I think in our presentation close to 74 bushfires last
year within the city. Um, so that gear allows us to stay with the firefighting gear and the wear and tear on the firefighting gear walking through trees and bushes and everything. Um, and that average set of gear costs about $2,000 replace compared to a set of up that
cost about $5,500 to replace. Um, so that allows those guys and also limits also the guys kneeling or stepping in or sometimes leaking from a vehicle accident. And it's part of the cancer prevention initiatives where we're trying to limit our firefighters being in their gear as
much as possible because of the fact that every time we put them in that gear, it puts them more and more exposed carson engines to that side. Um, so you'll see the next thing says cancer prevention equipment and SCVA equipment. question on that.
Yeah, Tom, how many how many spares do you have? How many how many spares? I mean, because things can happen. Yeah. So, so does this include spares that you would need? We have about two sets. Well, we have
two. We could outfit three firefighters right now if we lost here. Um, all of our fire. So, we're okay on that. Then we can outfit a whole shift. God forbid something wasn't completely outfit. We probably have a little bit more gloves and hoods. Um, I should say we probably
do have a lot more gloves and hoods. I have our exact inventory on that. So, our exact inventory, we like to keep roughly 10 pairs of every size in stock of um, not obviously not boots, but 10 pairs of gloves and hoods because those
are common things that get destroyed um, in there. Um, and then we try to keep at least one size of every bunker boot. So right now we have about 12 bunker boots on hand um of common size because you know most some guys wear 13 and they have like 113 or 213 on that side.
But you feel like you have enough. The scary part to answer that question. The scary part to it is is that bunker gear is the size dependent. So and it's extremely expensive. So we hate to go buy extra sets of bunker gear and then find out that not nobody fits in those
sizes or those sizes aren't who we need. We had, you know, two peanuts that worked for us a couple years ago, these tiny little girls, and we had to buy, you know, gear for them. Buying extra gear of that size, you know, is kind of a waste. So, we we try to weigh the weight between buying the most average
common size gear and then if we have issues, we have an emergency backup for common size. But if we have somebody that comes in that's a peanut or a bigger person, then we just have to special order those and it is what it is. And you can get that fairly quickly if you need it. Well, all depends. Co killed us.
Yeah. So, is peanut a technical term? It's a hard balancing act for us. Something that and we don't really know how to resolve it. You know what I mean? Other than spending a bunch of money that we'd hate to do that, have the gear sitting there and nobody need it, right? So, it's hard. But if you do need it, we want you to
have it. Yeah. And we we do have it to where if that's currently our all of our career firefighters, if something was out with your gear, we can we can output them with gear until their replacement gear comes in. So that's that's not something
that we're worried about on that. It runs into part-time gear were destroyed and we might have to get a little created, but that's why we have partnerships with local departments. Um, and if we have to, we just have the bars and stuff comes up.
Thank you. Any other questions? Yes. David, you move on. So, the um the next one is going to be our You guys should see it's a fire here. Are we on the same page?
Yes. Hello. Yep, you're good. Yes. Okay. Sorry. Thanks, Al. I appreciate it. One thing that happened this year is a Florida law, specifically House Bill 929, requires all fire departments
purchased here um free of what we call PAPs, which are periodic some cancer substances. Um, so this the state has gone and said, "Hey, look, if you've got bunker gear that have PAS in it, you need to make your firefighters aware by writing them a
letter saying, hey, look, your gear has PAS in it." Luckily, the gear that we've been getting um is PAS free except for one um liner, which is a moisture barrier. Um, but the gear you will see in front of you coming up here for this
coming budget year um will be PAS 3. So, this will be the first set of gear that we're buying that's completely PAS-free. Be one of the um few departments in the area that's actually started a process already. Some fire chiefs are just waiting. Um but we replace six sets a year to keep up with the replacement
cycle. Um and we'll be complying with House Bill 929 that requires the fire department to start replacing it fast for a year. Um every year we replace six sets. uh one year we were only unfortunately able to replace two four
sets because of a significant increase um after COVID in in materials. Um but we we feel good with what we've been the gear we're purchasing has one of the highest um cancer prevention initiatives out there. Um, and we've gotten our gear
from a study that was completed by the city of Orlando fire department. I spent millions of dollars on firefighter stresses, wearability. Um, you know, how good does the gear hold up over time? How good does it land? Lion gear is the one that came out on top. Um, so we
said, why reinvent the wheel? Um, you know, let's let's do this. We if we can it's being fiscally responsible and we can maintain this and we give our the highest level industry standard canction in our fire here. Um because unfortunately we can't um afford and
want to to be able to have a washing machine show up on site and wash this year if you guys get them. So what we've done is we went out there and looked for alternative fiscally responsible ways um and this is what we've come up with. So,
um it's around $5,500 a set uh for the bunker gear and that will be replaced. So, um after this fiscal year's purchase, this next fiscal year, every one of your career firefighters will be in u year uh and complying with the
state's custom if you chose to do this. Thank you. With Hey, did they with all the lawsuits be fast and and whatnot and these mandates I'm assuming there's potential grant opportunities to help do some of
this stuff is there's you guys look at that or I'm sorry. I with with all the stuff around PAS I didn't know if there's any grants out there that could and I know you guys are good at going out and looking for those but I didn't know if there's anything obviously it's a hot topic. I would
assume there's some money out there to help reout some of these things. So, because the PAS we, you know, we've met with our grant person, um, Christine Wolf, who's been helping us tremendously, who got us the trailer, got us the gear washer, the ALS
equipment. The the problem that we're having, this is a Florida specific law, not a federal specific law. So right now for two after aging and use this as the as the catalyst for it for lack of veteran. Um this is just a specific loss
to the state of Florida. Uh but I'm sure in the future and as soon as we do we will definitely be trying to hit that that funding on that. Yeah. I don't know if we we know still pursuing that. I think do we are
we keeping track of our the stuff we need to add to our cost to mitigate I can look into it but envision that was more about the water itself. Yeah, I think anything that we expand regards to POS, we probably need to try to include that. We'll look at it.
Thanks. You want to go to the next slide? Uh, yes ma'am. Thank you. Actually, so um the next one um is the capital outlay purchase for a specific vote. Um,
again, this is part of our our six-year plan that we set about three years ago. Um, looking at the needs. Um, just to kind of give you a brief history on our water rescue capabilities, our department is all most said all, we
constantly have a boat captain on duty on our fire truck. So, we never make sure that the the fire truck is left without captain. So, we can deploy the boat 24/7, seven days a week. In addition to that, we also have rapid divers and surface water rescue capable people on those boats. Um, so since
providing water rescue capabilities, we've had 80 marine unit responses and 103 water rescues. Um, so the reason why we're asking for a vote is I don't want to to sound negative towards the current
vote that we share with the police department. Um, butvious we were put into a a thing by the city councilvious obvious you guys were on the council at the time where they wanted to have a joint venture boat. Um unfortunately the boat at the time the fire department had
no input uh for rescue capabilities. So um the reason why we're looking for a purpose built rescue boat um is I've listed some things out here. One is a hydraulic jack. Our boat doesn't have a hydraulic jack plate which limits us.
The boat's available 247 and not time dependent to launch. um low sides. So the pictures you guys see on there are what we're looking to ascertain low sides for victim retrieval stable when lean toward the side of a boat.
Right now we have to move back and forth from every call inside the boat which can slow our response times. The ability to uh transport a spinalized patient which is a backboard. You'll see on that bottom slide where the backboard fits right down there so the firefighters can
do CPR, can ascertain a patient, uh, can treat the patient when we're bringing the patient in. You know, we don't want to just pick the patient up and bring them in real quick. We also want to be able to give them advanced life support sustainability at from the immediate time that we get them. Um, room for
placement of the fire fire pumps. Um these boats um excuse me, there's room for placement of the fire pumps. The side levels currently can't accommodate a hose going over the side um and do that. So um that's why we want
to be able to to get this boat is that we'll be able to put a fire pump over the side and use that um dual boat response. One thing that you know I know that it's going to be brought up is hey we have a police boat, you guys share a boat. Um but there's an industry standard on dual boat response. Everybody, you know, the joke is folks
boats break down. So, how we able to do that is be able to have a potentially a dual bowl response. Um, our chair boat um the boat is only available when tides are about one and a half foot. The fire has zero input. There's big wells, rod
rollers, stuff that really makes not able to be handled. High tunnels for shoot firefighters get patient and control the boat. The uh the boat lists heavy when leaning on one side or another to get patients into the boat. No placement for
mobilized patients. Hard to approach other boats in rough season weather conditions. No subside. And then obviously the no hydraology jack. Um we're asking for $105,000 to complete this task. The sheriff have a couple boats.
The sheriff's department has currently a safe boat. Um, which looks like a rib boat, but it's a like a Yeah, it it's a soft type. I think it's foam fil side.
Yeah. What you're asking for, I guess, right? Yeah, correct. The only downfall is that boat. Um, if we were to go for a state, probably about $350,000. But if you get a call, you say they need two votes. Would the sheriffs from Pasco
County be assisting you or you be assisting them or those? It depends on it depends on where it's at. Councilman or all the above. If it's in our jurisdiction, then of course we're going to call them asking for help. Um if they need the additional
assistance on their end, they call us and ask for help. Um there's times when there's a lot of times we're the only available vessel because um you know a lot of rescues happen at night. Um if you were to zero down at night and of
course when it's rough weather. So typically patrols being conducted typically not being done at night or during rough weather. Um you know we everybody because you know the adage is that to head in and people should be heading in. Um so that's what this would be capable of doing. So I guess it would
be it would be assisting both sides. Well, I see most most of the rescues I see out there running out there all the time on most of the rescues I see. I know that the other boat has been out there and has performed rescues. I guess what I'm
getting at is we're helping Richie were working with Pasco County. Are they do they assist in the funds with that or something? They don't assist in the funds with with us with that. Um but they definitely bust this. I mean um there wasn't too
long ago that we we ran a call and pass in our jurisdiction, Pasco County, they didn't have a boat available, so they sent us a helicopter. Um and helicopter was able to plantation on the water. We can but we we were we had no vegetation from, you know, out on the water. Um
Morch Newport has assisted us when our boat broke down. um and they've come out and get us and brought us back in um and brought us inside there. So, I think the as for everybody kind of coming together and helping for the betterment and safety of the people on the water, I
think that I think we overall help each other in a way. Tom, yes. Is this the boat stripped? Is this the boat with the engine? Is this a boat with
what what is on it? Is it fully rigged for 105? I'm sorry. Is it fully rigged for 105? So, the price for 105 is the boat with I
mean with a light on the roof with with lighting. The only thing we're going to have to add is our mobile radio. This is a boat ready to go with the VHF radio set up for rescue. What what's the power
motor? The motor horsepower. So the motor horsepower we can go anywhere between cheap was a 250 or 300. Correct. Yeah. I I want to say the So does this come with the motor or does it No, the ones we spec the price we spec came with the motor.
It was a whole setup. Just the picture. Was it just the motor? Yeah. No, it was the whole set. Most of the gear on it. The picture was just the most readily available, you know, picture that shows the highlights that we wanted you to see. So, does it have a trailer? Does it have a If I got a choice between a 250 or
300, I'll pick a 300. But that's a $10,000 upgrade. Of course. Are you picking that or We're going to pick the highest motor we can get for that price of an upgrade. 300 emergency go. And is it
right? It's under state contract pricing. um typically with those motors and the company that that actually sells these just so you guys are aware we have a long relationship with the um the aluminum boat that Firehouse Subs bought us the uh 16T boat is a recipe one boat
um that's who we'll be working with on that are our boat that we use for flooding responses that we did all those recipes on for the flooding that's who we've got a relationship with them um and we we've spent probably about the past two years looking at all the different types of vessels all that are
out there pricing of different vessels and going through trade shows looking at what's this and any um so we spent probably about two years looking at this um to to come to this to this area to come to this conclusion can I can I make a suggestion
sure um if you were to ask me today I would tell you we can't afford it it's just not one of those things but what I will tell you is uh we are paying for a firet truck that we will hopefully get our money back on so once we get the fire truck in We could take whatever we paid
into that and they give it back to us to purchase a boat. I understand it's going to be a little more expensive in a year or so when we get the firet truck. But I I I think at this juncture in our tightness with our budget, I I think that'd probably be the best way to go if you wanted a new boat. If you if you ask
now, I I your financial person would tell you you can't afford it. We're over we're overextended in penny for Pasco as it is. So that's just my thing. Not that you don't need it. I'm not saying that, but I'm saying you could get you can get Is this 105 reflected in the current budget we have in front of us?
It is, but you have to understand we only have we only have $75,000 in in income coming in and we're spending 1.7 million. So, it's what's in there right now. And again, I'm just a I'm just a finance guy. I'm not going to ride on this boat. I would love to, but I'm not
going to. But, I mean, it I I would not be doing my job if I be riding on it. Actually, you'd be the patient if you were riding. Yeah. if you ever caught me. So, if you don't want to write on it, uh I wouldn't be doing my job if I if I didn't tell you this. Now, ultimately, it's up to you guys. And you know, I
obviously don't know the actual needs out there. So, I'm I'm taking them where they need it. But financially, if if we were if you financially you can't afford it unless you cut back on something else. I mean, that's just all there is to it. Are we are we giving anything else up if
I mean because the current boat would just become full-time police boat? But are there any other vehicles or anything, Chief or Tom, that that Not really. They need the small one, too. They need it. I think I think I saw Go ahead. Sorry. So, let me Yeah, let me wait a little
bit. So, I was on council back when we purchased the the shared the resource and and I was against that purchase at the time. We had people here in the audience spoke adamantly against buying that boat. So, I can tell you from from a resident perspective, um that was not a good purchase. unfortunately went through and so I do apologize that you
guys weren't involved in that because you should have been. That should have been a joint effort and we should have got something that uh that made sense for for both departments as opposed to just kind of lapping you guys on at the end. Um so that that was definitely an issue. Um again, I want to stress that that was a
very unpopular purchase. Um and unfortunately I couldn't stop it. It was kind of rammed down the citizen's throat that time. The other two council members that were on with me are no longer here and that's probably part of the reason they are no longer here. Um, so I'm I'm uh I'm going to agree with Adam
here. Obviously, it's it's not something we really can't afford. We we've been cautious to slow down some of these purchases. I know we've been very dedicated to fire department on other things and we're especially even going forward, we're looking at uh a new fire station. Um I know you guys currently
have two boats, right? You have the Firehouse, the boat that Firehouse Subs got us, right? that I bought on the spur of the moment because we had some extra money left over in Penny for Pasco and that thing's been a godsend, but it's a tiny little boat. It's just something me and you could
carry. Yeah. So, and this isn't saying not get a boat. I'm not telling you I can't get a boat. I think that the best way to do this so it's not coming out of our pocket today is we wait till we get reimbursed for our for our uh the fire truck because we're going to be $400,000 into it by
the time uh we actually get it. you you know you can allocate some of that money for but I know it's going to be more expensive in a couple of years but well it might be better as well it might be right I mean and again you know people are going to hate me but it's it's that that's what I do
and so there's I think there's obviously so I know there's some issues that we could probably address with the current shared boat one a jack plate we could definitely outfit with a jack plate I think we ordered a jack plate it was in the capac What I recall seeing on that order,
there was a jack plate in there. I was It's not hydraulic. He told you there's a jack plate on there, but it's not hydraulic. A fixed jack plate. Is there something else? If that's something that's needed, that's probably two grand upgrade.
And listen, regardless, that will it'll help. It'll help, but I can mow my lawn with a weed eater. It doesn't make it the right thing to do. So, I can tell you that if somebody calls, we're going to get whatever boat we have available and we're going to go out there and we're going to help them, but there's nowhere to put a patient on the boat if it's backboarded. I'm going
to get them on there. We're going to have them on the backboard and we're going to do CPR on them. We're going to get them in there, but it's not built in designed for that. So, we're we're using something that's not designed for what it's what we're using it for when we have the ability to buy something as Listen, but something's better than nothing.
people people didn't think we needed a brush and we have I don't know Tom he had the number on top of his how many brush fires we had since we bought the thing. It's just and I don't ask I don't ask for a lot. I asked for what what we need. We need a ladder truck. Everything
in this city is elevated. If you go to any any fire chief's conference and you look through NFBA, they're going to tell you across the board this city needs a ladder truck. Everything about it is is everything's elevated. And you know the the definition of a highrise is is everything higher than your highest ladder.
Yeah. Well, 70% of the houses we have are two and three stories. But we we don't have the money for a ladder truck and we don't have the place to house a ladder truck. So I would never come in here and ask you for a ladder truck. But the problem is since I've been here, border rescue is is far exceeding house
fighters. So we we have this problem and we do everything we can to solve the problem and help the people and protect the citizens. But I would be negligent not to tell you to come in here and say the numbers don't lie. The statistics are right there in front of you. And we didn't even include the 116 water
rescues that we did during the storm because that that was just a crazy. So you add those numbers up and it's it's just it's just crazy the amount of water rescues that that we run. So as your fire chief, it's just incumbent upon me to come in and lay that information out.
We tried to be extremely budget friendly. Yeah, there's, you know, there's fire boots we can buy three and $400,000. We tried to find, Tom and I tried to find the most cheapest thing that we could find that will do the job as safely as we could. And this is what we came up with. That's why we didn't give you like a specific spec sheet
because we know in our minds what we want. So, we checked with several vendors to find out, okay, what's the what's the general range that we could buy this boat that we need for? And that that 105,000 is what we can do what we need to do. And we could probably have two or three vendors that would bid on that at that price.
Is there Can we get this through appropriations next year through Pasco County? We can ask for anything. What a great [Music] passion of mine's been ascertaining a actual boat. Um because there's nothing more frustrating than being on shore or
in a boat that you can't actually conduct a rescue on. as somebody that's been in that situation quite a few times, working for the city for over 20 years, that's it's it's it's a it's a gut parting deal, right? Um, so we originally we've been starting this process when she poly cash first came
here, I said, "Look, just been a goal." The first thing that we tried to do is try to go after grand for for the downfall to that is the city port, she's not considered a port, believe it or not. Even though we have port in our name, we're not considered a port. to become a port, you have to petition
the port master of the city down in Tampa. Well, it's a whole political fight on to become a port. And why they probably won't let us become a court um as it's been told kind of through this is that hey look you know now you're
going to have to apply with this rule apply with that rule for a port you're going to do this you're going to have to do that and then that's also now going to now take that money that they get for that port and be distributed amongst another organization that's in there for a port so for getting CBG grant excuse
not CVG for AFG grants or anything like that the first question is are you a port right so that that takes us out of which led us down the road to Firehouse Subs. Firehouse Subs, unfortunately, um just so you guys know, now puts a cap on all their grants of $25,000. We were one
of the last grants to get that boat that we did, the flats boat that we have, the 16 foot flats. Um it has a limited capability, but it got us in to to be able to start deforming these these rescues and be able to to get out there.
That boat was funded by Firehouse Subs for $65,000. There was no cost to the city for that. That got funded by that. Now, so now we're on we're getting our feet wet. We're we're seeing if our guys can handle this. Can we respond effectively? Can we actually conduct
water rescues? Is this something we can even do without taking away from our services in there, which led us to lead to other grants? FWC has a grant that you can apply for that and alcohol is is that grant limits on the usage of the
boat can't be used if you want to use it for code enforcement. Um and it doesn't meet the the fire rescue aspect. It meets the sheriff patrolling and everything else. Um so it led us down to federal funding. We got a federal vote that that came in. Um some of you guys
might have even seen it. It was sitting at Sunset Venom Marina. We got a federal vote. That vote, unfortunately, once we brought it in from the Federal Reserve, they gave us up two motors and they said, "Hey, look, hodgepodge of motors together and see what you can get um and
push that through." Unfortunately, that bill was going to come to well over $100,000. Um because you have to do lighting of boat and like the marinas were telling us, hey, this is still a federal surplus boat. We don't know what happened to the boat, what it went through. There there's not much records
on it. Um, and then the other part of that is too is finding a motor that fits the boat. And when we got a rough estimate of how much it's going to cost, it led us to over the $100,000. Well, if we're going to do that, we might as well get a boat with a warranty on it that comes with sustainability for the city residents and be fiscally responsible.
So, it started leading us to this. Everything unfortunately leads back back to that. It's hard to when you're looking at this, this is a high priority thing when there's fire departments out there. And I don't want to, you know, we're we're fortunate in the fact that where we are the US fire
departments in North Florida that are using breathing apparatuses that comply with 1990s regulations. So a lot of that money that is out there for fire department unfortunately gets eaten up a lot and so by communities that really
can't afford to do to do anything for their fire department. Um so I'm I'm very comfortable in saying that. Of course, you know, you guys will always be looking for grant funding. We'll always be out there trying to get somebody other than the taxpayers to fund this. Um, but I feel comfortable saying that if we were coming to you at
this, I I think that's why I mean, we wanted to come to you with this last year, but we're looking at say, "Hey, look, one more year. Let's see what we can get for funding. Let's see if there's other opportunities out there." So, I just I want to let you know kind of the history, sir, on where we're at. This wasn't just something that like taxped.
Hey, May Thomas. Of of those 80, I'm looking at a screen. Of the 80 marine unit responses and 103 water rescues, how many of those were in our jurisdiction? Yeah. Did you say none of them were in our How many What percent were in our jurisdiction? What percent were in our juris?
I can extrapolate those out, but I got extrapolated down here to 51 of those responses were on fire boat 42. 21 were on rescue boat uh 42. Now remember the the Marine unit that was shared with the police department uh has only been in
service for not even a year and we're ready to deny responses um with with those. Well, I guess the reason I'm asking is is if if a majority of these calls are outside of our our technical jurisdiction, you know, it it's a hard
sell in community. Hey, we we want to purchase the resource that everybody's going to get to take advantage of and we're going to pay for it. Um, but in reality, it's not servicing our direct community. Obviously, we're we're we're good partners and and that's great. Um, but we shouldn't we shouldn't have to
fund those operations for the surrounding county and other cities. That's that's kind of my question. I I agree with you on that and I I I do I feel comfortable saying that I would a very high number of those are in what you would call our response
area. Our response area in our jurisdiction, two separate things, right? ran outside the city, believe it or not, are sometimes city residents um that are like, "Wow, I'm so glad you guys have." So, you know, I know what you're trying to say.
And we get help from other people, too, so why wouldn't they expect help from us? We do have a mutual aid agreement with the county. That's how it works. And I believe Newport Rich as well, right? Yes. Anybody in the rescue business doesn't look at the lines, they just go,
they don't. That's right. I saw a beautiful ladder truck from Newport Richie yesterday. I'm out trying to talk to get my ladder truck. I'm just saying I I live in a three-story house. I want you to be able to get to me my bedroom on the top floor. You know, you can't do that from a ladder. You know, it's coming. Once I get the new fire station, it's coming. Just is what it
is. Let me let me ask a question. I know we got appropriation for 800,000 for a fire truck. Can a 100,000 be used for a fire boat to complement that? and and we pay
that out of that. Now, since we can get titled to that in a short order, no, the answer is no. The answer is no. That's what Adam's saying that once we get that money and pay for that, the money we're going to use for the fire truck, we can pay for the boat. He's already he's already agreeing to that, right?
Well, it's money we already spent. I mean, we're going to get $800,000. So, if we spent $400,000, we get $400,000 of our money back. You know, you either put it back in a penny for Pasco. Well, we should put it back in penny for Pasco, but I mean that's my thing. And I I know
it's not the you know, I know people don't like it, but I mean, you know, I've been harping since I've started this budget that we just are overspending, overspending. And, you know, it's hard to it's hard to say you can't have bunker gear. Uh it's easier to say you can't have a boat, you can't afford it. I mean, those are those are things that you can do.
And I speak appropriation process. Like I said, I getting ready to put projects forth for that. This is a relatively uh small purchase, right? Maybe we go with it. We we we take it out now. We go with appropriations. See if we get that fun. We can potentially have this bill next
year when when those come through. So, this would be one of the things you submit for appropriations in the next budget cycle. And and I think as a backup plan, you said you're going to ask, can we get that money for the fire truck now? And if we do that, then we've got the money sitting there to take care of Gary and
get them into water rescue, which I couldn't agree more. I mean, I've seen the waters loaded with people these days, and it doesn't matter where they come from. We're saving lives, man, you know. So, I think it's important. Um, but I think we need to be responsible as well and listen to the um finance guy
and say, "Hey, okay, we can do it, but probably not right this very minute, but hey, it's on the radar and we're going to put some pieces in place together for you." And I don't, like I said, it's already in the budget as it's worked up now. And and I guess
a half and I' I'd like to have it, but obviously cautionary we're we're overspending. Well, we already we already have to raise uh the uh uh dredging uh almost $75,000 as well. So we we already at
this point have to add another $75,000 to get the dredging study done because we need almost 400 grand. And so we only have 135,000 budget. We need to find another 75,000. Right. Um now again you can you could absolutely do that. It's up to you. But the thing is is you know we've we just we're we've overspending.
Okay. I guess what I'm saying is if if we were to leave it in there because we we want to be committed to purchase at some point. We want to we want to try to get that funding elsewhere. Um you know obviously it's going to before it would be purchased to come back to council for to agree to purchase it anyway.
Right. So from a budgetary perspective, if we can maybe leave it in there with with hopes that we do that and then we we pursue these other options and like I said, if we get an appropriation or whatever, then we can go ahead and move forward with it. If we do get the uh some way get that $800,000 for the fire truck, we're able to do that earlier, then maybe we can
Well, you know, you could another suggestion. Uh I don't I don't like it, but it's a suggestion. We you know, we we took money out of Nick's park upgrades and left $75,000 in there. If we wanted to from this year's budget uh set aside $50,000 of that and just lower
the 105 to 55,000 you have if that's if that's what y'all want. Those are just options for you. But again, that's you know kind of where we're at. So all right, but that's going in you're going into you're thinking about a $1.2 million
between one and $1.2 $2 million in the penny for Pasco as a reserve going forward cash forward, right? And then you're getting another 700. So we're at 1.7. You're thinking that we're going to spend our paying for Pasco is about 1.7 I think you'd mentioned.
So yeah, we're already 133. We have 200,000 that we're going to pull from for the dredging. We're going to go ahead and appropriate. So now we're at $333,000 of that 1.5 we spent this year. And that's buying nothing else, right? That's not even paying for the truck lights for his truck or anything.
I'm uh you know, so we look at that and now we're 333,000. We have 1.5 in there. Next year we we are over spent, you know, by you know what, seven, eight, almost a million dollars. So that with this you're at uh you know one point you're you've used all your there's
nothing left. And so with without without holding these things you're not going to be able to buy bunker area. You're only going to get one or two. That's just the the the plight of it. And and I get it. We all need things and we want them and I I I don't think that this is something that's a want. It's probably a need. I get it. But is it
something we can afford as as as it goes right now? No. We we need to cut things back. We need to cut our land purchase back. But if you do that, so there's there's different quadrants of this. We can we can purchase more more land from CRA, but that really harbors what we can do with it. So we have land purchase
money in in this to purchase land to to be able to build stuff on, move it around, rent it out, whatever we want to do. But then you have Nicks Park that really needs to be worked on. You have $300,000 in there. So there's there's a lot of stuff that is almost it's like we need it all, but you can't have you just can't have it all. So those are some of
the options. Again, the best thing I think we should do is is say, "Yeah, we can get you a boat, but you have to wait until this appropriation comes through." If it came through tomorrow, we have $200,000 sitting here for this firet truck payment for uh next fiscal year or for 27. You know, we can use that, but
we don't know if that's going to happen. And we got to think $200,000 is coming out of that $700,000 pot every year off the top, right? So now you're only left with $500,000 to spread out between the utilities, uh, fire and police. And that is that is the argument you make at this point is, you
know, just like if you were at home, you need a boat, can't have a boat. It stinks. I I I do I do feel for that, but that's just my that's my argument. But again, buy a boat with the $400,000 I'm sure we'll have by the time the appropriations come through. That's my plan.
Go ahead. Um the million dollars for the fire truck, our portion is going to be 200k. We got to flush that out next year, right? We don't get that back. We only get the
800 back until we take delivery. You know, we've already we've already flushed out the first two our portion 200,000 that came out of this year's budget. So, we've already paid for we've already paid our $200,000 portion. We paid that off and then next year we have to make another $200,000 payment
and that is where we're going to and what do we I'm not sure. 200,000 this fiscal year of 200,000. Has it not occurred? Uh it's it's in a PO. It's been poed. It's you haven't booked it yet. It No, it's booked. But you don't book
your acrruels. Not yet because we have we haven't paid. We're going to that payment don't come out till next year. But it Yeah, we'll we'll look it'll move forward with us. Okay. What we're doing. So that $200,000 and that's our cost share to it. So this So we're in for next fiscal year this
Yes. We'll we have a 200,000 200 back, right? So yeah, if we if we if we pay the 200,000 next year and then we receive it a month after that, we'll we should receive the $800,000. That'll give us an extra $200,000 that we could do that. I'm I'm guesstimating that we're going to at least pay it for another I'm not sure exactly when we're
supposed to get it, but I'm assuming we're going to make two more payments above and beyond what we have set aside this 2027. I didn't think we had to make any more I can help answer that question. I've already reached out um once we heard the
state's rules and regulations on the funding. Um just so you guys know, already reached out to the fire truck manufacturer. He's trying to figure something out to help us. There's no way we're going to have a fire truck built by him this this fiscal year. That's just not going to happen.
Like that's virtually impossible. But he's he's looking to become creative. I told him the issue about the state allocations. It's $800,000 for the purchase. Just so you guys know, we're going to pay 140 back $149,967.
That's going to be our we're going to in theory be paying um on this truck. um as a total purchase was $949,967. Um so we are talking with the fire truck manufacturer to see what we can come up with. So I'll have more information for
you, but the projected timeline was 34 to 36 months from the time we signed the P which was probably about six months ago. Is are they saying they can accelerate that time frame? No. right now. He doesn't know if he can accelerate the
time frame. He's he's looking at what he can potentially do. There's no way that he'll be able to accelerate the time frame, you know, 12 months. That's just not going to happen. Hey, Tom. He's looking. Hey, Tom. I I thought we had to make a down payment and then the remainder was
due it on delivery. So, you're financing? No, we financed it. Yeah, we financed it. So, Mr. come to the financing your payments to $118,3483 for five years financing at um we got to pay all we got to pay it all
up front budget just so you're aware make sure we didn't go over um so you know we kind of took that hit from from what we would typically be buying from um and then to make that
first payment on that purchase because like you guys and us we probably $800,000. Um, and we were just as surprised. Well, and we still may, like I said, Mike's Mike's working on that. See if there's a way around that. So, so if that works, we reallocate the $225,000 we have this year. If that's
what y'all want to do and and buy that, then yeah, you're good to go. Yeah. Let me ask you about this purchase of land you talked about, paying for pest. We haven't spent any money on land this year, correct? What were we buying land for that? We
wouldn't have bought it out of CRA. Well, this was to uh purchase stuff outside the CRA. So, what was it? Um I mean, you have to have a supporting document that says, "Hey, we're thinking about buying that property next to my
house and knocking it down and putting amusement park in." Right. Right. So, uh Yeah. So, this is set aside. So, when we do find something, we just got into the real estate business not too long ago. We just talked with someone the other day, but again, when you when you
purchase anything in the CRA, so I think there was talk about maybe renting out some land or anything else. If you buy it out of CRA, that goes right back into the CRA. We buy it out of this, it goes into our money. It's our money. It's, you know, so we rent it out, we sell it, we lease it, whatever the case may be, it comes into that. And then you're not
limited to what you can do. Well, outside CRA could be property that abuts the city that brings it into the city. Exactly. So they were outside city if it's not outside if it's outside the city. For example, we could have bought that lot on the other side of the hotel that
Newport bought. We could have bought that and then it would have been brought into the city. Yeah. So, but you wouldn't need CRA dollars for that because it's not technically in CRA. I think there's always been a plan there. We just haven't capitalized on it. We haven't done it yet. And and that's that's the thing and I think that by we actually got a realtor now. I
think we're actually moving forward with it. I you know so we I think there's a plan there to actually purchase stuff and again we purchase what we can out of this and out of CRA. We're not we're not limited to what we can do with with the CRA. All right. So there's 150 left over from last year. Yes.
That we're not going to buy. Right. Now in three months, right? So does that that's freeing that up? Well, you got that factored in at the one point. Yeah. So, so, well, it's factored in the fact that we haven't spent it, so we're
not taking out of reserves. Okay. Yeah. So, all this that's left in there is all reserve money. So, the $200,000 for the dredging reserve money. The uh um whatever the 135,000, you know, it's all reserve money. We've we've spent what
we've brought in this year so far. Over spent. You you were asking about councilman about some of the reason and part of it is the uh the water plant uh for deep water wells, replacement wells,
refurbish wells, uh deep water injection. So, and uh just, you know, one of my tasks I got when I first got here was to start looking at land purchase. I've gotten in touch with the realtor, gave him eight or 10, I think nine different addresses, and I'll meet
with him Thursday for initial assessment on what things will cost and what's what's doable based on our end of the year funding or end of the year what's what we have left to spend. So, your recommendation is
hold off. And um what's y'all's thoughts? and they want I would like to buy it right now because it's a safety issue. They need it. They want it, but we don't have the money. So, that's something we don't have the money. We don't have the money. But, I think we should really try to figure out
how to make that happen. Yeah, I think we can definitely work on that. Like I said, I think there's all it and I think there's I think there's a very bright light at the end of the tunnel here. And I think we can probably come through.
We're a waterfront city. So this is this is important and and they are the only ones trained to do a lot of things. So for them to be able to run out of here, that's that's a big deal. not just us, but uh a lot of people in the area
for for example, there's a $70,000 line item for vehicle purchases for at there's there's ways to trim this. And I think the point is is we need to sharpen the pencil and look for an opportunity.
And that's the direction I think that I'm hearing. That's that's what I've been yelling. Mhm. I mean, I I think it's important. I mean, the thing is $700,000 a year um is is not enough, especially when you're talking about buying, you know, police
cars and fire trucks and stuff like that. It's just not enough. But, you know, you have to you have to think look at it. I mean, you have we haven't talked about we have $100,000 for for the police uh cameras and stuff like that that we need. We have, you know, car money. We have this and that. You're you're already 3/4ers or uh 3/4 into
what you have. It only leaves you a small pot to buy other things and you're always going to go over. You need that little bit of cushion to do that. We have a full-time grant person. Correct. We can put a line item in here for that. But if a a grant comes through, the line goes draw a line through that line item
and the grant supports the spend. So the point being is do we need to work harder to try to look for opportunities grants and you guys are doing a great job. I mean, um, and and try to find
opportunities, uh, to support some of these other things. You know, at the end of the day, the CRA is probably going to start declining as well. We've already shrunk that. We need to be taking a constant look at pulling stuff out of that area, right? So, that's going to go down and
well, you have you have a lot of different factors, right? We we spend money as what the plan is going forward. We should be CRA is one place we should be spending the money, you know, but the problem is too when you start spending money, we we depend on the $400,000 in income we get from
our re or our uh interest. So, you know, you pull that down as well. You're losing in two two factors. So, we spend $ 1.5 million of our uh reserved money. Not only are we losing $ 1.5 million, we're losing all the interest we make on it as well, right? which isn't a ton of money, but it's still
enough money to help help feed that a little bit. So, we're, you know, we're kind of in that we're in that boat. It's it's stinks. It it does, but again, um I'm I want to make sure that we can buy stuff tomorrow and three years from now, right? Which which is why, you know, we
have to go through this analysis to determine all the needs and then based upon those needs, prioritize those in a way that we try to accomplish most. Not maybe not all, but most.
Well, that's why you have the the buying of land and stuff. All that's reserve money. That is just okay. If we if we see something we need, we buy it. Those are those are big purchases you should take out of your reserve fund. Not the small stuff like the the the uh uh car cameras and stuff like that. That should
come out of the 75,000. But you want to buy a piece of land that's going to increase in value for us forever, then that's what you buy out of your reserves. And that's why we don't look at those as okay, this is a purchase we make every day. So when we don't purchase those, it doesn't affect us at all. We just keep that uh we keep that one, you know, $1.5 million in the bank.
We don't use anything. And that's really what's kind of kept that solid for us all these days. Chief, you have something the boat thing to bed. I listen, everything in here we're talking about is passionate to somebody, whether it's financing or car cameras or
dredging or it but I guess the hardest part that I have is that I I've held off um as long as I could. Um you we're using a 20-y old vehicle we're finally replacing. I'm not replacing a fire truck because I I wanted to chase a pipe dream. because
NFPA says that it's too old. It has to be replaced. So to be in the fire department business, we we have to do what we have to do. We have to replace our bunker gear. Like like Adam said, we have to replace our gear. We got to replace things, update things. It's just part of being in the business. But, you know, as council, again, don't mean to
be, you know, hit sensitive spots, but we don't even blink about adding hundreds of thousands of dollars to dredging, which we feel is important, but we're going to hesitate about buying a $100,000 boat that'll response out there to get the people that are on the
water. So, again, I'm not trying to push buttons across the board. I'm just trying to be realistic. I I get it. At the end of the day, there's only one pot of gold. It is what it is. But what's more important where what are the priorities? Yeah. Well, and and so I I wouldn't say that
we're we're not blinking at some of these things. I think everything is is is looked at with with eyes of scrutiny. Um as far as a dredging commentation, I mean commentary. The uh the majority of the the residents that we exist for want
something done about that. So and and we've not done so they can go out on the water and enjoy the water until they have trouble and then we got to go get them. I get that. But again, it's all it's a tangled web. So that's what I'm saying. I don't make light of that either. What's what's more important? That's all. And listen, you don't need an answer. I just coming from my heart to
your heart. Food for thought at the end of the day. You guys are going to decide the direction of you know that that we all go and Yeah. And I I think we're on agreement that we we want to we want to think it be a good good purchase. It's just it's the timing now like we we appropriate it
and buy it tomorrow or do we we make a plan? We're going to buy it. we're going to buy it sooner than later. And we we go to town to try to really sharpen our pencil and see if we can maneuver some money within our budget now. Go after the appropriation process here coming
up. Um look for I don't know if that $25,000 from Firehouse Subs is that something we could possibly get the $25,000 um we have to chase after at the same you know and we've got a whole another month to work on two months actually.
So, well, uh, we, you know, I'm trying, uh, I don't like this idea either, but we did receive $500 and some thousand dollars in claim money for our insurance. Just going to bring that up this that's sitting there now. I would remind C,
would I recommend you use it for that? I would not, but uh, we use the money to fix whatever was destroyed. No, we have not. It's it's, uh, sitting there right now. What destroyed? What was destroyed? it it's it's just claim money from our insurance and so
the majority was the limestone pier which we weren't replacing regardless so we're using a portion of that to demo it of course but the um we're not rebuilding that pier that was council's decision not to rebuild that pier so that was an item though it was an insured item that we had at the time and
we put a claim in for it and got the money and got the money basically we had a windfall on that we don't use those words but yes so I was going to bring up that money I'd remind council that we have not set the mill rate yet. So could uh we could
instead of rolling back or going below roll back where it is and get the vote. Have we got the check on that? Yes. And it's in those reserve numbers we just looked at or not? No. Okay. So that's a half a million bucks. Well, minus the
repair. Minus the repair. It's a it's a portion of we're approximately about 85,000 for the demo and then the uh 85 88,000 for the demo and the uh the knee wall and then also if I'm correct a portion of that money that came for us for insurance was
for some of the lift station damage and then we're awaiting the second portion of it later on. But that's where the 500 change comes from. The majority of it was the limestone dump here and then you know the down lift stations that we had during Helen and Milton. We, you know, if you don't, if you
didn't want to use that, we also received $65,000 in FEMA money from Inda Irma, whatever it was. Whoever whatever one of those ladies that blew us through. Yeah. So, we did we did receive that um that you
know, we haven't appropriated that money and that's it's sitting there. Um it's in the general fund. It's in the general fund. So, I mean, you know, I I honestly feel bad. Uh, you know, because I get it. I I do. Um, you know, and ultimately you have to be the
bad guy, but you know, we do have we do have a little extra money that we didn't account for this year. I mean, if that's something y'all want to do, again, I'm I'm against it, but I want y'all to know there's there is options out there. Uh, and I I recommend we leave it in the budget and we will find an option to fund it
for one of these many reason. Well, I the the one thing we can keep in mind, too, if you if you move forward and purchase it, there is no grant as you retroactively get the money back. So, if we like I said, that's why I was kind of leaning towards let's budget it. Well, I'm going to tell you where the budget the budget doesn't Yeah, the
budget is is I mean, so grants for fireboats are hard unless you're buying massive fireboats like Tampa's fireboat. They're they're hard. There's so many stipulations to get one. We we looked we looked listen we're good at trust me we not take
a couple years that's why this was you know put into the capital improvement again a couple years ago and we spent that time if you look at the original one you'll see that we researching but it talk about funding sources we were researching grants can we not just fund $50,000 this year out of our general fund from that
$65,000 uh FEMA check and then $50,000 you're taking $50,000 out of this one and just you know I mean those are other options again My my option to y'all would be to wait till we get our money back, but uh those are those are what we have available to us. It wouldn't
wouldn't cause us to have to go You're saying 65 from the FEMA and then what another 40 for the uh the balance. Yeah. I I I want to say off the top of my head and this this came in uh in you know December so it could be 63 or 65.
So let's just flat it at 60 if we're going to appropriate it. There's 60 60,000 you need 40. Yeah. because we also you need to we need to appropriate more money for the rest of the canal dredging study. So that would I think that would give us enough money if we did that to allocate
40 grand in here and then the rest of it to that. So would you be would you be comfortable with leaving it in the budget for now and then we obviously go after putting in for appropriation whatever and just kind of see if we can and if we maybe we end up getting the $800,000 all in once and then we feel
more comfortable again being in the budget and and purchasing still two different actions right and put it in there comfortable whatever you are comfortable with I just you know my my only job here is to to give you my my opinion and I'm fine with whatever you want to do the caution flag I want to make sure that's if that's if that's that makes
you feel comfortable I I'm I'm fine with that if if you are okay with that. But I'm hearing a caution flag, but then I'm hearing we got this extra money sitting over here and I still don't have an exact breakdown. No. And I would hate to hear from sound. We spent $85,000 and those guys did a bang up job. Nice job.
They're not that. Yeah. Okay. But we're still $415,000 sitting there. How much money do we need to do the lift stations out of that? And can we swing 105? Because I hear Gary saying we did drop 200,000 more just like that for dredging. But, you know, a
lot of us are sitting here because we said we're going to do something about dredging. It's kind of offset because when you look at receiving money from insurance, you don't at that time, you don't know what you're getting when you put the claim in, right? So, the thing is that that offset was still out there at the time. Now, we know what that portion is.
The lift stations are all, you know, are all up and running now. That's been done. That was that was financed through the utility fund. We had money in the utility fund. He had Daryl had to get them up and running no matter what. We we don't wait for we don't wait for claims money. Yeah. So, it it all depends on what council and
you know what deciding to do with that money now. Now that we received this check, do we go ahead and reappropriate back into the utility fund to offset the lift stations and this demo or now since or since that I believe if I'm if I'm correct the demo was ARPA if I'm Yes.
If I'm if I'm I believe I'm 95% without it in front of me. It was I believe the de the demo was ARPA. So that's covered by ARPA fund. So that once again that's a wash. So we have this money lift stations are done operationally through the utility fund. That's that's already been done. That's been accomplished and
done and moving forward. What we get as a claim from our insurance company is basically they go out and assess what you know what those were worth at the time and then we get this check. We don't wait for that to come. So now we have this money. We just need to decide where we want to appropriate that money to. Do we want to put it back into the
general fund? Do we want to reallocate it for projects? Do we want to put it you know set aside for something else? That's what we that, you know, unfortunately we have the benefit of that because we weren't counting on that check. Now we have it. Um, so it's just like the FEMA reimbursement. We put out FEMA, we put out money, um, we put out pulled out money for reserves, uh, I
believe in the realm of like 1.2 1 million 1 million 1 million for, you know, the CND collection and and damage control and assessment. So now we're getting reimbursement back from FEMA. So that's once again, you know, we put that money out. We're not expecting it to get back because we don't know what we'll get
back. But now that we're getting back, now we're going to decide we're going to put that money back into once again in back into the reserves, back into the general fund or re reallocate that money, you know, as we see fit. But that's a that's obviously a decision between council and, you know, city
manager. So I I saw this weekend and and chief, I I want to commend you. I saw your police boat I believe out on the channel there, you know, and I saw people coming just swinging by all they saw the police boat and they're like real slow driving. So it it makes a
difference huge difference what's happening on the water there. I see the water activity picking up big time around here. So, what I don't want to do is have enough money sitting there to Gary and his team the boat they need to go out there and make sure that we're going to save lives and and all those
other things and all of us sit back and say, "Well, we'll look at it and talk about I don't want to do that. If we got the money for it and and you're telling me we got the money for it, we should act now and make this happen versus sit around." No, we don't have the money for it. Let me let me let me add That's not what you just said. I said we can use it. It's not I mean,
you know, when you when you look at it, we have the we have money. We have extra money. It doesn't necessarily mean it's boat money. Um you know, we have we have other things coming up, too. Uh let me if I could one second. Um so, could we purchase the boat today?
Absolutely. We've got $12 million in reserves out there, right? It's so we we have money, but you got to understand that there's there's a lot more things around money. when you once you spend it, you lose the opportunity cost of what you could spend it for because it's spent, right? You don't you draw it
down. There's some other things to keep in mind from the appropriation process, and I'll use this as an example. One of the things that that um we got this $2.5 million water pipe appropriation. We just don't get $2 half million. We put in the request, we have to spend $600,000. And so, as we go forward with
the appropriation process, we don't just ask for free money. we have to put up some collateral towards that to get those right. We gota have skin in the game. And so if we spend money, it reduces our amount of skin in the game for bigger projects, right? And one of the things that was,
you know, while we're very thankful we got $2.5 million towards the uh water pipes. We're going to it's a $3.1 million project because we got to put $600,000 towards it. Um and so you keep those things in mind, too. So, we're really going to be doing $3.1 million
worth of water, not two and a half. And we're, you know, so thousand as our trying to be conscientious of that, but I also don't see this as a boat toy. I see this as last time we had a hurricane, the flood, those people were out there at 2:00 in the morning pulling people out of the water. Well, you had three or four more feet
last time, all of our houses would have been underwater and they'd had to save all of us. And if we don't have this kind of equipment out there to do it, this is not like a toy. Hey, the boys need something to ride around on fish. This is not like that. This is like an ambulance with a boat motor on the back of it. That's exactly what it's like. So, I want to make sure we're not missing that.
Well, two, I want you to understand, too, he's exactly right. We have $3.1 million. We we have allocated our catchall, but this is a pay and we make it we they pay us back grant. So, if we do this all in a year, we got to come out $3.1 million, which that's got to come out of um
come out of the reserves. And so, you know, this that 500,000 when I say there's not money for a boat, that three that 500,000 is there. I'm using that as an option. You absolutely can do that. I'm telling you, it's not boat money, but that's the option you have if you want to buy him the boat. I feel like we want to buy him a boat. I'm fine with
that. Uh I'm just giving you the lay of the land. We We can We absolutely can do whatever we want. What's the life expectancy on a boat like that, Gary? 15 years. Okay. So, why can't we go out there and get a three-year note? Okay. Get a three-year note. Sign the note. We're solid. We're a good city, right? We
don't have any money out of it. Just And if we get the money there, it's done. It's paid for. And and you know in that case only the expenditure of the principal payments go against capital. Is that right? So that'd be one what you can get a
5year note 15ear note. Get a three-year note. Get that thing paid for. Get that puppet paid for quick. It's it's cheap. The money's cheap. It's relatively cheap right now. And and what to what you're saying is you could do it set it up like that for five years. If this stuff flips around,
then you pay it off immediately and you're probably going to get a probably an eight or nine or 10% rate unless you got a handshake deal with the bank. If I if I could that um I heard what you guys talk about the notes. Um, we I've already reached out the company that
actually helped us finance the fire truck is able to do any kind of fire or life safety equipment purchases under that financing. Just so you guys, yeah, we're talking we're talking 105,000 bucks. So
understand the city resident. If you ask me about not making a note on it, I would say that's that's dumb. Uh not that you're Hold on. But you can't do it both ways. I I I I can because when you when you do a note, I get what you're saying. Listen, I thought of that. I thought of that idea, too. But you're paying interest on
something that really in all honesty we we could pay for. I mean, we're paying when doing this firet truck, we we have enough money to pay for the firetruck. We're paying $140 something thousand dollars in interest over the five years for the fire truck before we got the appropriation. So, that was that was the deal. I I I don't like that, but it it
allows us to leave our money liquid. So, we can do things if something come up, we can we can do those things. So, you take a million dollars out of three million, you don't have a whole lot. You're losing interest. You're losing all this. Uh, so yes, that that that's the thing. I would say if you were going to purchase this thing, just buy the stupid thing and let's move on about our
lives. I don't know that I would I want to make this easy because obviously I think we're all on board. Leave it in the budget for sure. So why don't we leave it in the budget and then we'll we'll cross this bridge when we go to finalize it, right? And what's the lead time on this, Tom? You know,
Tom, lead time on the boat. Uh, the lead time on the boat um can anywhere between three to six months. Right now they're expect they're doing longer times because all the boats have just been eaten up by Texas um during their flooding event. So all the boats
that were available we got calls saying hey do you want this vote or not? We're like no we're just just kicking the like okay Texas. So all in Texas so they're just waiting for the the the votes to get back in but three to six months. So, if we made a decision today to put a PO
out today to get this boat, earliest is probably November. And we don't have to pay for it till then, right? Yeah. Right. And we expect an interest rate reduction between now and then. Yeah. Yeah. It's in the budget for next year.
Well, you wouldn't you wouldn't you wouldn't buy now. It' be October. That's right. It's in the It's in the budget, right? So like we would basically if we bought it October 1st it'll be at if you put together today you're not going to get it till October or November.
You have to you have to encumber that money. Yeah. But I'm looking at lead time. Yeah. But then the the purchase for financial purposes would be in this fiscal year even though you're not getting it till then. Right. Yeah. So, but
well, so, so could you order it before the fiscal year? I thought you had You have to have a PO. You have to have a PO. Which PO encumbers the money? So, it's not like we can say, "Hey, we'll order it." Encumber the money for next year. We can pre-enccumber the money for No, that's what I'm saying. October. This is the budget for October 1.
I get it. But he's saying if if we put a PO together now, it would it would come out of this year. That's right. It's coming for this fiscal year. No, this year this year. So, what we got? We got stuff we're not spending this year. We're buying three more police cars,
right? And we still got a million dollar three extra. But that's nothing. Frank's like, "Keep me out of this. I'm good." That's nothing compared to your vote. We still got millions of dollars. Can't talk anymore.
Well, so you're advocating put to Yeah, we can figure it out. There's a lot of things we need to check check on. I mean, we got to wait. I I agree with Adam. Wait to see what appropriations come through. Um, and we'll see what we can do.
And we can also write a letter to Santa Claus. [Music] Yeah. We'll we'll just leave in the budget. Yeah. Does that work? I'm fine with that. Sure. Oh, yeah. Y'all y'all are going to you know, y'all are going to have to approve it. So, I'm I'm fine with that. So, if
y'all are good with it, I'm good with it. Again, I I just give you my opinion. You do whatever you need to do. In the in the meantime, if we can reach out to Firehouse Sub and see if we can tap into 25 grand. Let's uh let's write this up as an appropriation that we submit to Mike to go with meet with the
legislators here in September. I think we want to try to get stuff by and we may find out back from the fire truck. So, right. And we're working that actively now. So that that may be sooner than later. So I think we've got a little time to see how the pieces fall together. Okay. I think we solved that one.
And maybe we maybe we can just part of it, you know, do money around and we might get help like you said, whatever. All right. Yeah, I think I think we're good on that. So I think that was it for
us, right? No, we got the fire truck. One more slide. The last one, the last slide is the fire truck. I think we talked a couple in this test. Yeah, but you don't have that in the budget right now. You're gonna It is It's in there. It's under debt services.
Okay. We have a We have We're in a lease agreement, so it's a debt. Okay. Do we get a confirmation on if we are able to pay this thing tomorrow? Let's say we get the full 800,000, we we pay it tomorrow. Do we avoid interest or not? So I reached out but I did not
reach out again because of the mishap with this. So I will reach out to find out what the deal is. But as in I would like you have a number to say hey if if you guys make us wait it's costing taxpayers x if we get the money and we'll purchase it now and just have to wait on it that
we we save this. Can you answer that question? What was the question sir? If we Is there an early payoff penalty for the lease company for the fire truck? I'm 99% sure. No, I don't think there was either. I thought we talked about it.
Yeah, I thought we talked about it, too. I don't think there's So, we will we will avoid that. Yeah, I want I want to know I want to know the payoff and what the interest will save us as opposed to taking it to turn. I'll tell you. I I'll find out. Okay. Because because I'll pay for the boat.
It would pay for the boat. Two birds. Two birds. So the the more information I can give to Mike to to talk to to Bla1 about to explain situation because you know I get government does dumb things sometimes and this is a dumb thing and and I want
to make that known and so if we can save taxpayers $150,000 in interest. Why do we have to wait just because you want to reappropriate this every year from a state level? It's got the money now. It's it's it's it's all it is is it's bureaucratic waste of money. So
agreed. So we're we're good with the fire department. Yes. On the last budget, you must have stuck that fire truck in because the numbers that I have. Yeah. I I Well, after the This was This was last week. You put it in this week. Yes.
That over uh there's $225,000 in debt services. 200,000 for the principal and 25,000 for admin and interest fees. Can I ask that you when you get finished with this send me the Yeah, I can do that again so that I can rerun. I don't want to look at that.
I don't want to see it on paper, man. I I can't I can't hover over it and add things up. You follow me? I follow you. All right. There's only one thing in debt services anyway. Well, I don't see anything in here. So, this is what I'm looking at. Last week's numbers, I didn't get an update. So,
all right, moving along. Is that all fire? That's all a fire. All right. Thank you, fire. Thank you, chief. Turn the hose off. Thank you, Tom. Thank you, Tom. Thank you, Tom. Hi, Tom. I'm gonna make a suggestion. We have a special budget workshop just for fire
department. Hey, don't leave the police out of this one. We need badges, cameras, and what else was it? Stun guns. Stun guns. All right, so I think next up, I think, is where we go to the air conditioner, I think.
Right. Uh, we were on Was that the 80 grand? No. Um, no, we were on the Yes. air conditioner. You're right. Police department. Okay. Police department air conditioner. We We spoke about that. We need to replace one of those air conditioner in the police department. It was in this year's budget where we reappropriate for other things. So,
I know I know we got air conditioning in the back seats for the prisoners. So, I definitely want That's important. That was a good thing. That was a good Hey, I was for that. I know you were. You and I'm definitely for this. All right. So, I think the next thing is our You would never see that action. You
know what I'm saying? I may see it. I'm not going to lie to you. That is true. I'll tell you exactly how it feels back. Sure. You pick him up in one of the old cars. Do we I got a question. So, I'm I'm not quite sure I understand
because somebody said one air conditioner, somebody said three air conditioners. Is this for all the air conditioners surrounding you and your guys and gals back there? It's It's just one. It's just one that we were gonna replace last year, but we didn't. Do we bid this stuff out or just like pick the most favorite person?
You bid out four different companies. Yeah, you couldn't buy a purchase like that. If it with our purchase policy, if I get a quote that exceeds 25,000, then it's got to go out to bid for a company to do it. But if we get quotes for 10,000, 15,000, 20, you know, those would be three bids and then present it to council, you
know, or then you have the the state contract route. But something like that wouldn't be state contract. that would just basically reaching out to companies and getting works. And that thing back there's 25 years old. They're all original. They've been maintenance, but there there there's no there's no new units. I
believe we've we've changed out air handlers. The air handler behind us has is a new one. Is a newer one. I mean, it's it's already about 8 years old, but uh the AC units outside the building are still original. The condenser? Yes. The condenser units themselves. So
that that's the only air handler that's been actually changed out. The others are still original. Um but like I said, I mean, you know, belts and some parts aside throughout the years they maintain, but the the one in PD has had had more issues than most of them throughout the building. So this is why
we've set aside money to, you know, to replace the inside and the outside unit for that back there, right? Yeah. That's I mean probably because of the how old it is, you're probably going to have to replace both. I mean, yeah, I don't think you do one, not the other. Yeah, it's just just, you know, when most change outs like that, they recommend both.
So, do we look at just like a window unit for a chief's office? He hasn't requested one, but unfortunately Tesla there, so he would, you know, we'd have to replace the window, too.
Tesla with the All right. Uh the next thing I'll never leave that one down. So the next thing is axon officer safety package. Um that's for uh the cloud service to hold it, but it's also for
the body cameras, the the car cameras and stuff like that. Um originally we had budgeted $100,000 for this. Uh it seems like the price may be a little off. So Frank is uh chief chief chief is working on that. Rogerio
drinking Rogerio. I don't know why I can't say that. Rogerio. Rogerio. I've been called worse. Sam right, but he might. Yeah. Sam Sam is working on some new numbers for I can say that. Uh so we'll we'll we'll know that. But right now we have $100,000 for the uh
Do we think it's going to be more? I guess it it looks like it, but he's working on that. Yeah. I'm working with Axon to get different quotes and trying to get cheaper quotes as much as we can and maybe have to cut some equipment so we can rotate stuff in and out rather than having it permanently assigned. I just
can't do that with the car cameras. Once they're in a car, they're in a car. Um I definitely want to get the new cars outfitted and then we're going to go to certain cars, but ones that we're going to deadline after next year, I I think we'll just hold off on them. Um so she's working me another quote this afternoon. and I just called her again and she's
working on it to try and see if we can get what we need at a reasonable cost. Um, so I told her what we wanted to do and I was trying to keep it under 110 at the most. So she going to tell me what kind of bang we can get for our buck with that. But like I say, the talk about the civil rights and all that
stuff. The cameras are like a necessity if you ask me. The tasers are also a necessity and our tasers right now are out of life cycle and some of them don't work. We have like five or six of them back there that they're just they're not replaceable because they don't make them no more. So, they're just sitting in a
drawer um and and not being used. And if we have something to where we can actually taser somebody with the new taser, we can actually deploy them from 45t away. The ones we have now, you have to be less than 25 ft. And those are even debatable if you're going to make it within 25 ft. So, if we can actually
use a less lethal option on somebody rather than a lethal force option, I think that's huge. Definitely a game changer. And like I say with the cars, with the uh the crime fighting capabilities with whole entire package deal and trying to get everything we possibly can, but also
keep it to where we're not pricing ourselves out of business. So we originally was $100,000 for 10 years. So we, you know, we're paying for Pasco, but once we gets that worked out, we'll leave it at $100,000 for right now. And then if whatever overage, we can take it out of police confiscated
funds. And if it's, you know, $8 or $9,000, we can still do the $100,000 and there's enough money in there in the reserves and police confiscated funds to carry that for 10 years if we have to. But it depends on how low he gets it. But we we have a plan for next fiscal year. We'll leave it like this and then we'll come back if the price is different and kind of work it the for
the next fiscal year. So I think we're fine this year. Um the next one is the impound lot fencing. Um that is uh $50,72.58 to replace the uh fencing and the electronic gates and stuff like that for the impound lot and I I think that's
been uh needed to be done I think for a while. So I think it you know we put it in there to have it done this year. I think it's a important thing. Yeah. With that the gates when it rains they don't shut. So anybody can just drive back in the lot and we have our impound lot back there and sometimes if
you drive in and the screen's not right it looks like a junkyard and we don't want it to look like a junkyard look like a professional business. If um if we were to uh acquire property and and move the police station would would you envision the impound lot would probably stay here or would that be
something we move with it? It would I I would say it be the vision of wherever we can get it to where it's out of sight, out of mind. It's just doesn't look good and it's not really professional. Got a place in mind of Bridge Road. Uh yeah, that's that's why I'm asking. Do we want to invest this here or wait till
we see what what we work out with that? So, uh I think based on the time frame to a new police station, uh probably be probably be worth it. Yeah. But I mean, like I said, even if we move that, we probably still leave this as impound not behind us or whatever.
I just wouldn't be a good option. Yeah. Okay. And didn't we have like 105,000 in the confiscation fund that could go toward some of these police asks? Some of these police what asks? Um, so uh yes, but again, we don't know
how much the difference is on this uh uh the police cams and body footage and stuff like that. So right now it was 165. So, we had planned on taking the 65,000 which eat up most of it, but he's working it down. So, we I I don't want to do a whole lot with that until we figure out exactly what we need to do with it.
Right. But right now, it's coming out of penny. Right. Right. So, since there's an surplus in the confiscation fund, 105,000, what I what I think you presented, could that help support the boat
and for the fire department? Yeah. In other words, if we put the 105 and offset some of these police spins, it frees up the penny for Pasco funds for the fireboat.
[Music] That's a possibility. Then you don't have to dip into your insurance. You know, I don't think there's a I don't think there's a requirement to have an X amount of percentage in reserve in the police confiscation fund.
No. Uh but you know, too, it's not they don't bring a whole lot of money in that thing. Sometimes they do, sometimes it's 10 bucks, $5. Well, 100 grand is 100 grand. Yeah. So, obviously, we haven't spent out in a while. So, ever. I got a question for
trying to say it correctly. Um, is a vinyl fencing secure? I mean, at the end of the day, I see those vinyl fences, a little four, you know, six inch slats and they I mean, they wouldn't blow over in a storm. I mean, I guess they probably would, but that's what I'm saying. We're going to
put,000 fence storm's going to come along, it's going to be a $5,000 fence. You know, they're just easier to put back up than the wooden ones. Once they snap, then you're done. Is that a wood one back there right now or is it link with the the screening over time? And the fabric never lasts more than a year or two with any type of wood.
I think the reason the vinyl is is just to uh obscure it, right? And not have to because they've got the chain link with the fabric that just keeps ripping it. I'm just thinking the idea behind that lot is a secure lot, right? And the vinyl doesn't seem secure to me at all.
I mean, I could probably take my foot and kick through it. You cut through a chain link fence just as easy. Not really. No, it's not just as easy. Once you electrify it, it's pretty selfrified. And the new phaser, it's really hard. We could use those phasers or phasers.
The big thing is is blocking it off so people can't see what's back there, you know, especially when we were bringing prisoners back there. If they have a family member that's looking to try to do something crazy, they don't know where they're at back there. Um, things like that. Plus, it's everything's monitored. It's where you bring prison prisoners
in, too. It's not just it's not just the impound lives. The whole entire back part of the selling port, too. Okay. Gotcha. So, they keep they're No, I understand. I know. So, it protects your guys from being seen from the street, too, right? Yes. Okay. Is this a sixoot bench?
I would hope so. I'm not the one who specked all this out. This was built before I got here, but I would put anything less than that up there. That's for sure. We might want to might want to revisit those specs. Yeah. Yeah, actually curious what she and it probably would need a new quote too
because like I say, it's been a little bit. We need a new what a new quote to see where we're exactly at. I think this is a good start though. Something we can work on. Like I say, the the gates are definitely have to go is they're just
every time it rains and the power stuff. Okay, got it. I think that's where the majority of the money is really. Okay. And the gates and that can't be vinyl either. Well, they do have certain ones that they can make the make it look like that,
you know, like a frame with boards. Yeah. All right. Uh, and then the last thing is the upgrade the visual and audio in the council chambers. Um, I uh we have $30,000 set aside, $35,000 set aside in
this fiscal year that we're going to appropriate. I think he's working on um I think he's working on the bids now. And then this is the second part of it to make this ADA uh uh compliant. Um and then fix the audio in here. And I think we had talked about that during the uh
CIP shop last year. That'll take these standing mics and stuff from all around the room and correct it. Is that right? We've approached this from several different routes. Um the previous city manager talked about incorporating this room as an EOC.
So, right now we received we received a couple of quotes from Sharp um the current vendor who did some of the the work in here and another company to basically rechange all the audio and visual, new microphones, new everything. But I I still kind of want to I want to
get more of council input as we move forward on this project because I I know we've discussed with the mayor um actually changing changing the camera to incorporate you know incorporate zoom at that angle so that we can allow people to you know zoom in you know now that
they can zoom in from home. Yes. But we're trying to change the aspect of instead of using this camera here using that camera there. we have we want to continue working the problem as far as the audio for the room itself as compared to the audio at home. Um that's
something I think I we need more input at on where the target issue is at. Is the target issue more or less people hearing as we're talking in the room or is it more at you know at at home via Zoom or just through the audio recording. So this is something we've
set aside enough monies to to address the entire problem. meaning to do the front to do the room room front and back, but I I would like to do this more like um almost like a peace meal addressing each issue and each problem as we move forward. I I don't think that
I'd hate to throw $70,000 into this room personally. I just Right. Um or somebody's I hate to like I'd like to see what the companies have to offer. It be great. Maybe not all at the same time, but they
can come in and do presentations. Gives us ideas. I I'd like to see us address the whole room as a whole. Yeah. This furniture, you know, the day itself. The only thing that looks older than that car in the firehouse picture we saw over there earlier from 1950 is the furniture in this room. Yeah. And that was that was you can see
it's sad. And here's the deal. We don't have to make this all look grand with big columns and stuff. This should look a lot like what it looks like over at Newport Richie where you've just got you got desk. there's room for like all the people to sit out there. We're facing the camera. We're talking to the people,
you know, and and and it's so much easier to set it up like that. And I don't think it's a lot of money. I don't think it's I'd like to incorporate a workshop moving forward in the near future here to get to get all these points passed along because now we're not now now we're not only talking about audio and visual, we're talking about furniture
and stuff like that, which is good. And I I agree with because I mean this is I think this has been passed on three times um through tree city halls. Can you believe that they actually built a new city hall here and used old furniture from the other city hall from the other city hall? I couldn't actually original city hall
the original city hall where Walmart is now this dis used to be at. Then it was transferred to the temporary city hall um in the uh in the shopping plaza on Congress and then that was temporary and then when this was built they just transferred it here.
I think our city I'm okay with that. I think our city is worth investing in a little bit of stuff here. If we call Jim get over here when Matt was here and putting this as an EOC that was all
part of that and he wanted to make these where they could mod you could roll them out of the way redesign. Yeah. A flat a flat square room. Basically, these would be wheeled in, taken care of, put back together when a meeting was called for or the room would be completely empty as EOC incorporate
that. Um, we've talked about, you know, with some of the companies that we've already added here, we've talked about a video wall incorporating on that far wall. That way, it would be a multi-use screen. Basically, you can use it for, you know, EOCC purposes, but also a a front screen
so everyone here can see. Um, we've talked about all those things, but I really think moving forward a workshop should be locked in to decide, yeah, what we're going to actually what what is our needs and wants and get this done the right way and have, you know, direct council input. I mean, you guys sit
here. I mean, you you everyone here does the meetings here. I mean, we have other boards and committees, but you know, the council and CRA, you know, CRA board are the main people who incorporate this room um monthly. So, we I really like that direct input. And now that you
know, Mr. Coppler is gone and Andy is acclimating himself in, I think that would just be good to see what direction we're going to go in and get this and get this completed. So, but the money that we have set aside for there is is in the ballpark of doing everything. I mean, we haven't incorporated furniture
yet, but honestly, if we look into that, that's not going to be nowhere near as much as the audio and visual. So, we can find we can find other options for furniture and stuff like that as we move. Yeah, I know. Like I said, I know I introduced him to service back here. Obviously, they're in in our city. They
might be willing to do something on donation basis or whatever. You know, so there's options out there. Furniture wise, though. I like my chair. Leave my chair alone. Sample chairs out here. Sample chairs out here for the audience. Yeah, but I'll be the only one sitting
in them. Yeah, we'll schedule one. We'll schedule a meeting for Let's talk about planning session. Yeah. Okay. Good. Awesome. One other one other item I wanted to br a couple items I wanted to bring up. Um
unfortunately wasn't included in the packet. I did send it over to CM and and the the finance director. We did want to add um a $20,000 uh CIP project for the wireless uh the wireless building as an
IT project. Um the the wireless is, you know, as is as old as the building. Um the good thing is is that the wiring, the new wiring has been done for city hall. We have all the ports and stuff done. The switches have just arrived that the council approved um about a month and a half ago. Those are in now.
And now we're going to install those new switches for both the police department and city hall. And then we're going to be able to incorporate the new CAT 6A wiring that we uh we just had installed. So the company the company that did the installation is waiting on us to do that
to um to to do the switch over and then that'll be that'll be that project will be done. So as far as our new year as far as an IT project we wanted to address the the the wireless here um for city hall and PD. So I just wanted to include that amount as well.
Isn't that a liability? What's that? Wireless in the city hall. Isn't that a liability for people to be able to penetrate get in? Well, it's protected regardless and it's on a separate it's not it doesn't wireless for me when I come in here on my cell phone. Yeah. For
your your box now is connected wirelessly. Yeah. Okay. This box is connected wireless. Why why didn't the cat 5 or cat 6 this? Because there's no runs in here. But we'd have to I mean we could do that for sure.
We can do that. We could do those runs and we had that we have that set up so when if we want to run that when they we change the room we can run all new ports in here and have that done. Yeah. You have a secure wireless and you also have a a guest
portal that people come in they they jump on the wireless. I mean it's common. Okay. $20,000. $25,000 wireless boxes.
Well, is that what you said to $25,000? Not 25. And it's it's already in the budget. Uh that's not in the budget, but we're going to hold off on the uh wireless. We can use that money to do that um in place of until y'all do a workshop and figure out what you want to do.
Yeah, we'll do the workshop either in September or October. Spending money talking the latter part of September. So that'd be really nice. First part's all jacked up. Okay. So the second reading's on the 18th. So maybe then next week
we have normal council meeting. I think we can try to work in a budget either late September or early October. Yeah. Yeah. After budget all over once we get the budget out the door. All right. Any other questions, comments, concerns?
All good. I think we addressed everything. Okay. So, okay. Any other questions before we Yeah. Anything Anything needs to be changed? I'm not changing anything. We're leaving the boat in there. Everything is right as rain the way it is. Yeah. Okay.
And I I I want to um want to thank you for all your hard work. I know you and you too, Andy, coming in. Obviously, there's a lot to to come into, but um especially the fact that we're u not only lower the millillage rate, but actually providing a tax cut. That's uh I'm glad you're able to accommodate
that. So, it's two years in a row we've actually tax cut the residents, which is always a good thing. I love that. Yeah, you make it sound like you love doing that, but it was like pulling your teeth. So, yeah, we're doing good things here
and and and we're going to pass along the residence is always good. Were you guys okay with the of the admin vehicles? 70 grand. The not the utility ones you talking about? No, I'm talking about the admin vehicles
out in the parking lot. We didn't talk about those. Oh, yeah. I didn't put a CIP in there. I'm sorry. Oh, maybe we should. Oh, you didn't put it in. It's in uh No, it's in the budget. I'm sorry. Yeah. But we have a sheet on it. Did you want to talk about it? Yeah, let's talk about He's talking
about replacing the fit and replacing the GMC. The train. Yeah. Uh, and do we know the miles on either one of those vehicles? I don't. I was going to get it from Veronica today, but she was out today. So, um, but it's just, yeah, it's just sell the
fit in the terrain and get a new vehicle. Again, you know, what kind of vehicle were you thinking? Uh, I don't have a idea actually. $7,000 thinking vehicle. Well, it wasn't it's not a I put that in there as a placeholder. Placeholder. Yep.
Okay. But again, you you could take that and police boat or Well, we could You told me that we can put a battery in the fit and it'll run, right? Yes. But again, it's a Go ahead. Okay. I mean, that's an option. Is an option.
Looking to save money. I mean, if it's a low mileage fit and it needs a battery, we we bought that thing years and years ago and it was used when we bought it. So, I mean, you know, so And what's the matter with the terrain? Um, it's just it's just old and uh I mean again it's perfectly fine. Huh?
What year is the terrain? Does anybody know? Uh I don't know the the terrain. Do you know what year it is? Top my head now. I want to say 2012. 2012. Yeah. Both the terrain and fit have been with the city for a very long time and they have very low miles on them.
Right. Well, the the fit I believe ballpark is between is about close to 60,000 60 70,000 and the terrain is probably less than that. Um I I'll get everything for you tomorrow morning. Uh I'll have I mean it's very easy to the
vehicles are like I said both present. Um you know we have the records on them. So and they run good. Uh I mean I can't fit in a fit. Yeah. Well, put you in the train. Let's say the the fit is unfit and we
and we move off the terrain, right? Yeah. I mean, just in just, you know, the amount of hours and year, you know, in life that those both those vehicles have had. I mean, I would consider if you can get a trade on both of them to towards one, you know, towards one vehicle would probably be better better off for the
city. Um, I I just I don't know how long you want to hold on to them and use them. I mean, could, you know, are they being used? They're being used for um you know, you know, if if uh if if the clerk has to go to the county building to collect records, if the the police department
needs a needs one of the spare vehicles to run to the go to the county uh to the county themselves, uh training, someone wants to use the vehicle to go to a training seminar, something like that, they use it. Um I mean, so it is used um by we can rent a vehicle and do that. If you got to go out of town, a rental
vehicle will suffice. That's already an option for them. Keeping those vehicles out there, we get rid of them all and put everybody on an expense report just like you do in corporate world. No big deal. You can do that as well. I mean, it's
just, you know, Well, I think with with that and, you know, that works, but I mean, you know, you put people on an expense report, they're out buying, you know, they're they're getting the, you know, Uber black to take them somewhere or something like that. You know what I'm saying? I mean, you
drive my own vehicle mileage. You actually they pay them so much a mile to drive their own vehicle that that that is true. But I think the liability on that again I we had this conversation today. If I take my my car down to Miami for a for a training session, I wreck it. I got to pay put it
on my insurance even though it was a work thing. I mean I think the liability on that I I'm not okay with that. If you're going to Miami can rent a car. Well, you don't if you have to drive your own vehicle to go up to the county or something. Now, you're you're supposed to tell your private insurance company that you sometimes use your car
for work raises your You do. You do. You do. So, now we're everybody else. And when I do my insurance, they ask me, "Do I use it for work?" I do not. But if I do, if I drive it to to wherever I got to go, I mean, yeah, I use it for work now. So, now it my insurance is is
different because, you know, I might as well Door Dash while I'm at it. You know what I'm saying? I mean, that's just that's a different We can look at a city admin Uber account or something. We'll try to be creative, but uh spending 70 grand on a vehicle is
not top priority right now. We'll see if we get the maybe a fit. We'll have it looked at. Yeah, we can do that. a surplus this year once we figure out I don't I would I would say we go with an electric vehic admin car to start but that means I need
to start looking at infrastructure like a charging station right away was going to put one in here for no cost really yeah I'll see if they're still offering who I work somewhere where they were going to they were they were but Trump stopped the infrastructure so we couldn't get it now anyway he stopped uh he stopped
putting them in and you know the the thing is too I mean you know $70,000 He was going to spend $70,000. I I don't know. I don't know how much it cost. I go out and finance mine. Aren't we getting a bunch of gas generators for the utility guys and we put one of those out there and crank it
up with gas and then we can charge it. We already have a generator out there. It probably needs to be run to run some fuel. That's true. That's true. Off side and plug it in. Probably we could do that. We could bad diesel fuel once a year.
We could run a generator out there just to run it. and in the meantime charge the electric vehicle. So that sounds like a no 70 grand. Well, it's again I don't know how much a car costs. I put it in there. I mean you could I could take it out. It's in the budget with options. Same
way we want to buy a car later. We It's in a budget. If we don't Yeah. Yes. Motion to? Not yet. I got one very important thing to mention. Yes, sir. Um any old business? Well, yes. Uh, three chairs here. Have a
That's right. Have a seat. Take a pick. Let me know. Do we need to do that during the meeting or can we do it after the meeting? You do it after the meeting. Yeah. How do we submit to to him which one we want? There's a checklist right up here. Okay. I just make that part of the budget shop. Okay. Just put a check mark next to one.
Any any other old business? I have uh Oh, go ahead, Bob. I got a question about the uh heard sal about the limestone pier and I know about the seaw wall that was good. Did
they get that piling out of there? Well, I'd like to get you actually on site there because we've had a we had a long discussion, the city manager, myself, the engineer, and the and the contractor. the the PVC marker that's
out there is just, you know, that's to show where the construction part was done. And between, you know, I've talked to the engineer and I talked to I talked to um the contractor and they fulfilled removing 3 ft of the existing of the existing where the pier was. Um I'd
really I'd really like to get with you as soon as possible when you come back to see what we have to pinpoint. Now, there is oyster bed outside the original footprint of that pier, but we can't we're not permitted to go outside that. So, it all depends on where this this
this this pillar that you're speaking of actually is, and we can pinpoint that and find that out. But the marker that they have out there right now is just basically showing where they where they were where they d uh dug out to. It doesn't that's not where there's a piece
out where the PVC marker is. So, we really need to Oh, that white that's just to show where they how far the the pier was. Guys on the go out there later that day and they saw they marked it with that
with a piece of PVC where that that pillar was left and they said they were going to remove that. But when I get back, we'll get them a vote. Yes, absolutely. U because I like I said, we're you know, they just finished the wall. We're going to do some last uh
last touch-up landscaping on the the front end of it. Um the uh we're pretty much getting ready to sign off on everything, but I really want to resolve this issue before before final payment. So, um the the contractor I told him I Yeah. So, I definitely would like you
you there present so we can be we can all be on the same page. So, when you get back, let us know and we'll set up another meeting to go out there. All right. Excellent. Anything else? Okay. Anything else on the paving? Thanks, Bob.
Okay. Anything else on the paving? Punch list. Yeah, we actually uh I sent you an invite for Friday. Oh, that's right. Thank you. I accepted the two, I think. So, okay, perfect. Um, and the last thing I want to mention is it is S's birthday today, and I want to wish him a very, very
happy birthday. So, happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday, dear.
Happy birthday to you. Thank you very much. Nothing pleases me more than being here with all of you at six o'clock at night on my birthday. Nothing tell you how happy I am. Thank you so much.
Well, we're going to get you out of here at 6 o'clock. So, I told you there was hard in there. Bob, you have something to say? We would that's not in the budget. So, and and Adam would definitely not go for that at this point. So, looking for a
motion. Motion to adjurnn. Second. All right. Motion second. All in favor say I. I. We enter our workshop.