--------- Click, please. Chairman John Cooper here. Vice Chairwoman Caroline Gonzalez here. Member Salary here. Member Adam Thompson present. Member Julie Keenan here. Member Kim McCary. Double check. Let the record show that member Kim
Lerry is absent from today's meeting. Member Debbie Robinson here. And member Janet Applefield here. Thank you. Okay. First up, we got a set of minutes to approve for February 18th, 2025. Looking for a motion. Some moved. Second. Motion second. Any further discussion? All in
favor signify by saying I. I. I. Opposed. Motion carries. Next up, comments from the general public. I have no signups and we got one. Nothing. Okay. We're back to comments or sorry committee business item number two sentennial events budget discussion. I
will turn that over to uh our infamous finance director infamous uh member Thompson. Can you put that up please? I don't have it on paper the budget thing. Yeah. Yes. I should I should bring I update it every time.
Here the the one that she has. I think there's the request. Um, so as of uh a few minutes ago, uh we've sold six shirts um and three challenge coins. Uh we had a $5 donation from the fishing
tournament the other day, which brought our total uh um sponsorship funds of $53,35. And uh um I did update our thing here with the invoices that I did receive. I haven't received the invoice for the uh rulers yet for the fishing
rulers. Hey, you have it? I thought I sent that to you as far as it's in my credit card statement, but I'll send you what the amount was. Okay. Yeah, cuz I That was 250. Okay. Um and we did have a couple other people sign up for the uh expo. I think we're
we're at 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12. We're at 12 people. what I have for the expo. Um, no, but no signups for the golf. Um, and we had exactly 13 people sign up for the fishing tournament, which she said is what happened. We had one person that overpaid twice, which
we'll I'll cut a check for that tomorrow. Um, with the with the winners once I receive those. And um, uh, I had to verify. I believe we have two people that signed up for the car show, but the way it shows up on here, I'm not 100%
sure. But I did talk to them today about getting the information. Um, so they're finding some way. We don't have a way to actually log in there and see any information they have and they're like, "Oh, maybe you should." And I was like, "Yeah, maybe we should." So he's trying to figure out a way to get us so I can we can get the name link on his side or
something. Correct. Yeah. He's handling all that. And so yeah. So, uh, no, I'm talking about from our I'm sorry. When they pay from our side, you know how they go in there and put the name and address and stuff in there. So for the car show for the car show. They wouldn't
be No, we they can't pay online. It's gone. Okay. Well, somebody Well, it looks like two people have beforehand. Oh, beforehand. Yeah. So, and I But the $15 payment the way it came over, I can't tell if it's for a because it come over on the 7669, the regular one. So, I
can't tell. But we don't have any information either for me to call and verify if that's Do we have name or anything? Uh, we do have name. So, they they didn't use the the link that we had. They use the web 769. Yeah. Yeah. So, and it doesn't give us a whole lot of information when it comes over. And
those things are used to pay, right? I wonder why they just happen to know how to go in there and do that, I guess. I don't know. So, I'm trying to figure out how to get a hold of him. And then the one guy, Greg, um still trying to get information on him. Okay. So, but um any
questions on the You said we had 12 for the expo. Uh we have 12. Is that right? One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. Yeah. 12 because it shows six in the number of entries there. So you have eight at the top for the business expo. 75. Oh, like the slash.
There's one there. Seven. Yeah. So we had five more sign up. Yes. As recently. Okay. And that's tomorrow. No, that's next Wednesday. Next week, April 30th. You should have one other expense from the fishing for the um uh snacks. It's
on here. He he gave me that. So, I got the snacks and you sent two things the other day, but was that I don't I don't think the rulers was in there, though. That was the only expenses I had was for the snacks and the rulers. Um, so one thing I'll double send the rulers and I'll also send you the uh I'll send you
the names and the amounts for the winners. Yes. Okay. I'll cut the rules in the morning. All right. So, on the car show, we still have the 150 in there. If we could move that out and put that in the into the
uh that should be unbudgeted amount I guess down in the purple. Yeah, I'll take that out. That's what that budgeted amount means. Correct. Unbudgeted, right? Yes. Um and any objections to that? Any consensus? Any objections to moving that
because we were there's no cost to us. Um and then so the fishing tournament we had budgeted 400. What was what was the expenses on there? So right now for the uh fishing tournament we had well 104 right now and that was for the snacks
and then there's 250. So three uh 354. Um so we got some of that coming. We got a little bit. Yeah. So once I once I get the final on that I'll I'll move that around and settle that one out. And I had what 2100 I think was the income
from the Is that right? 14 times 150. Yeah. 13. It was 13. Oh, just 13. Yes. Well, one of them registered that night to captains show that was a $200 registration, right? No, I took 150 from everybody. Okay. So, it made me easier.
Yeah. More than Americ 15 150. So we had 1950 time 50. Yeah. 1950 and we gave out um 1,800 1,800. Yeah. So we met 150
there actually less than 300 or so in cost. Right. Right. So about covered itself close to. Okay. Um, in that unbudgeted amount, are you are you taking consideration the
income? Uh, yeah. So, the income from the shirts and stuff I do put in. The only thing that's not in there is anything related to the uh uh events just in case we have to refund anything. So, that's not tied into that. Once once we finish them out,
I will tie it into So, we can we can safely say that that what is in that unbudgeted amount, you can add in potentially at 1365 up here in event total. Yes. Okay. Yeah. So, once I once I do that, that way it'll come out as a total. You'll see that. So, I'll close
it out as soon as it's done. Okay. So, what was the $5 you said was a donation? Yeah. Somebody made a $20 Somebody paid $20 for a shirt. So, we just put as a $5. Yeah. Okay. Any other questions on budget? Keep the change. Anybody any of the
other events need any more budget? Okay. Well, um I wanted to talk. I was going to say it can wait till it can it can wait till um events. Yeah, discussion. I just um but I was going to ask for more funds for banners and signs
as we get closer for the 17th and 18th. Okay. So, yeah. Okay, next up we have the Centennial event updates. So, let's um let's start with what you want to give an update on the fishing tournament.
Um so, eight people eight people were um pre-registered. One person signed up on Friday and then one, two, three, four people came to the captain's meeting and signed up there. So, we had a total of 13. Um, Bill
Rutherford, uh, Captain Bill was um, fantastic. He was a great help. And um, the winner was someone who signed up Friday night. He showed us a picture of the first fish that he caught was just a
little tiny thing in his hand. And then the next fish that he caught was 33 and 12 in which put him over the top to be the winner. Um the story that he told us as to why he entered was because he said
his dog has cancer and he needed over $800 for the vet bills and that's why he decided at the last minute to sign up and now he won $1,000. So Dean has enough to take care of his dog. Yeah. So
really great story that that turned out a great story. It was um it was very nice. Um so one thing I wanted to do though was um since we have extra money and we had talked about this was um if
it's allowed to make a donation to Bill Rutherford's um charity which is Vet Catch where he takes out disabled veterans out on his boat to um for a day of fishing. He also does some other charity work but that's his um
nonprofit. So, I was hoping we might be able to make a donation to that for for help if it's allowed. Yeah. So, Matt, you probably can answer this. I had a chance to talk to attorney, but I know that the that the cities can support
nonprofits through grant processes and stuff like that, but general donations, I don't think that's is that's allowed. Is it? Yeah. I don't I think there's ways to do that, but it's not I don't think you all give a donation. I think through a grant process or something like that you
can't, but we can get clarification. Um on that same line, obviously maybe now's a good time just to talk about what the plans are for whatever residual money we have left from these events. I guess absolutely the um you know, my thought was is that we that would stay
in some kind of event fund that would defay future events or whatever we put on. Um but obviously we can open it up for other discussion as well. I know what was your y'all's thoughts on the residuals if there was any. Um yeah, I think it should just stay in the event line item. That way if we plan something
else um later in the year um it go towards that. Um I I I don't see any reason um why it shouldn't stay there. Um, as far as, you know, donations, I I know if we want for the mayor's bowl, I know we
were talking about setting up some things for charities or something like that. So, if he if he want if we want to, we can we can probably buy an item and see if you doing a selling auction and the proceeds would go, you know, towards towards his. So, he can be one
of the items, you know. Yeah. For that. So, I think we we That's a good idea as well. That's a great idea. Yeah, it's a good idea. Okay. And I know you had mentioned, which was news to me on Saturday, that
Oh, this is going to be an annual thing. So, Oh, yeah. So, I Yeah, I I did make a joke for you those who weren't there. So, when I um I thanked everybody for joining the uh the tournament, whatever, and I said, "We're going to do this every hundred years, so go ahead and get your your your entries in for next uh
next centennial." But that's all kidding aside, I I'd mentioned to them that we could possibly make this annual type event. So obviously um I'll bring that up to council and see if that's something that uh going forward we can do it annually. I think everybody would like that. I was saying until some of those funds could be sure put on that as
well. Sure. You know it's like a kickstart that and I gave everybody bags because everyone kept asking me what's in those bags? What's in those bags? So now everyone can know what was in those bags. Y thank you for that. Um I know the citizen advisory committee wants to start in June. Um I had mentioned to do
a neighborhood talk series. They'll have different um speakers come in like photo wildlife and anything that would be with the city or interest. Um so I mean that would be great because I know citizen advisory committee can't fund raise. So
if we could have something we need to pay someone or or an event like the fishing tournament. I don't know why citizen advisory committee can't host it either. So yeah, we for next year. Yeah, we'll uh obviously be having budget conversations at council level relatively soon and obviously the fourth
of July event was always something we budgeted for in the past and obviously this past budget we budgeted for this. Um I don't know where we're at with what we're going to do from a Fourth of July perspective if we're going to do anything. I think it was pretty much the consensus that we we wouldn't do fireworks for both, right? Um but it
would be nice to do something. Yeah, that's that was kind of what I was thinking too. Something on a smaller scale is a city picnic or something down there. there's something we could probably do and obviously any funds that we have left over from this could could help defay those costs as well. Um but going forward obviously I think we do need to have some amount of budget in
for events just in general. So yes and we'll talk about that for sure. So saving the money is kind of a difficult thing. Saving money or well moving it to the next year is kind of a difficult thing uh to do unless you did something
like uh you know did a PO for something or something like that. So you're saying what do we have left in this account if you will? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But from a from a budgeting session, obviously you can
realize what you've rolled over from the last year and apply it to any new budget going forward. No, you can do a PO. I mean, really, and honestly, you can't take the sum of money and say, "Okay, we had $10,000 left over from last year." It's got to be all entwined into one. So, you can't say, "Normally, we would
put $8,000 in that budget line, but we had $14,000 left over from this event we're going to put in there." Um because your your total has got to be it's it's all going to be the same. You know, you could add more money to it. I mean, you could say, "Hey, instead of we norally do eight, we can do $14,000 into the
budget line knowing that we had but it's not a direct correlation." Yeah. So, you can't say I'm I'm using this money that we saved from last year. The only way you can really do that is either uh we we uh encumber it now and put, you know, take it forward. So, like if you wanted to do that, the only thing you do with
that though is it needs to go somewhere. So, like I can't it's hard to do like a dummy PO and say, "Hey, we're just holding $8,000 and then next year we want to do $4,000 to fireworks and $4,000 to this." It's it's kind of a little more difficult than that. Um, so can you not do like a regular line item
for the next year's budget? Yeah, but that's what he's saying is that that's why we we go ahead and create a PO. So if we want to use that money for like next year's fireworks, right, we go ahead and encumber it. We we go ahead and create a PO for, you know, fire, you know, July 4th fireworks celebration or,
you know, boom, and then that would carry over because that is already created. Yeah. The fireworks from last 4th July that we haven't paid because we're in this whole ordeal. It's it's sitting there encumbered. I mean, we're it's not coming out anybody's budget. We already encumbered it and it's going forward. So when we do pay that or
whatever comes of it, it's there. I mean, so that's what we have to do here. But ultimately, whatever's left there or whatever because it's not in a it's not in that line item. It's it's not going to be in that line item. It's in a revenue account. So that revenue is just going to roll over. Yeah. And the the law is that whatever you have left over
out of this revenue. So like if we budget $8 million this year, but we have $8,500. We start next year with $500,000 to roll into whatever money we have. So to to be able to hold that for next year for this specific event because you raised this specific amount of money, it
would have to go into it have to be held some way without it being tacked on tacked into the budget line. So it's doable. It's just the way you have to finagle a little bit. So question on that. So let's say we let's say we have $10,000 left over, right?
And we do a PO for that $10,000 for future events, right? Um, and let's say we don't owe that next year. We continue not to use that. It's just it's just an open PO that never gets resolved or So that's a that's
another thing. So like with the with the hurricanes, I did a $100,000 open PO. What you have to do is every time we spent money out of that PO because I I you have to make a PO for something. So here I would make it I would just say here's a $10,000 PO made out to the city of Port Richie and it holds that money. So, if we spent $1,000 on, let's say,
the expo next year, I would have to go in, delete, delete, take out $1,000, make that new PO 9,000, then make a new PO for $1,000. And that's how you equate that. So, every single time you spend four or 500 bucks. That's what I had to do that for the hurricane this year for all the amount of money. Now, I can look
into um I can look into probably making like a uh so we have we have restricted accounts that we put money into um that like ARPA, for instance. We have an account. So every time we use ARPA money, we use our own money and then I go in and I just transfer that money and and eat itself out in a revenue. Um
really not I don't know the ramifications of that because usually that money is you know you can't just call restricted money restricted money. So we have those backend accounts that are for restricted money but you can't just save money. So there's law laws against that but we can see about it and the only only thing in my mind right now
is just make an open PO. That way it's there and you can just say this is an event line or event money and you can move it on forward. But like it would be very difficult to carry it for the next two or three years if you weren't going to use it. You know what I'm saying? And if it's if it's four or 5,000 bucks, I mean you you look at it and you're like,
you know, the ultimate goal of anything is spend it today. I mean, so like if there's anything we can do, we can spend it and we know that we have the ability to collect some money for some things. Um, so like at the end of this if we have 4,000 I don't think that's a bad
thing to move into a PO, but um it's just going to be difficult if you have like a $10,000 try to eat off that for the next three. Well, I guess as we get closer to closing everything down from the centennial perspective, we'll have to look and see at that point and figure out what we need to do with that. Yeah. And I'll and I'll look up the uh the
backend accounts and see about doing moving those things. Um but it's really not something you do with with because this is really budgeted money for this year. So when you budget money this year, it's you need to spend it. And then what you don't spend out your revenue accounts just rolls into your next year. So it's it's something that
be really hard to tell an auditor, this is just money we're saving for, you know, next year or something. It's not really something you do. But so there really is there's no vehicle to let's just say we call it a an event fund. If that's a fund, which has a fund balance, you continue that would that would be
static until you tapped into that. You have an event. Yeah, you have an event fund. It's a it's called budgeting every year. That's what you do. I mean, there's nothing here we we do that moves forward. Like I said, everything that you collect just gets rolled into the next thing. And and the law in the state of Florida is whatever you don't spend, you put that in your next year's budget,
you know. So, you know, you don't save things for a rainy day or anything like that. That's what you have your your 3% for your, you know, hurricanes and stuff like that. You have these different charges or different uh accounts for, but really whatever's in your whatever you make this year, you don't really save. I mean, you can't, it's hard to do
that, you know. So, but again, the only real way is to do a a PO for it and hold it. But again, it'd be really difficult auditing to say, I'm chipping off this $10,000 fund or PO for little things here and there because when you encumber it, it's like, okay, I couldn't buy it
this year. I'm going to get it next year. So, if you start keeping it for the next three years and chipping, I would maybe a little bit different say a little bit different what you're saying. So if you create the special event fund, so it's some type of trust fund maybe is what it would be end up being like a
park trust or something like that. Um you know you would then have to budget you know if it's $10,000 $10,000 for next fiscal year for whatever. If you don't spend it just goes back into that that funds uh reserve, right? And so
you'd have to budget it again. So you don't you don't really save the money to spend a particular way because every year council would determine the way that it would be spent. And if you have those sponsorships or whatever, wouldn't couldn't they go into that fund? Yeah.
Right. Yeah. And so it' have a reserve balance. It have some kind of balance that's left in there during the during the budget process. You can budget the funds from that. Yeah. Right. Yeah. But I I think again what what Adam's saying is that that you know you just you don't
put money aside say we're going to spend it on you know an event next year you know when that year ends you have to reappropriate that money through the budget process so that next year you can spend it towards that. Is there is that a legislative action to
have to create these funds or is that just something they count? I we can we can create I can create any fund I you you need back there but you know the thing is too it's like you know again well it's legislated to appropriate that money to something that but as far as
where to put it that's internally if we're me council I would I would get you to create that fund so you can then spell out what can be spent out of that fund so we'd have need to be an ordinance um
that creates this just uh you know the the CRA because I was just looking at the CRA earlier today. You know you created by ordinance a fund a trust fund for the CRA and you tell you know how the money can come in and how the money can be spent. And so you
do the same thing there. I mean I I think it probably wouldn't be appropriate just to create a fund to hold it. you know, maybe a service fund, you could do that, but I think because it's going to be more along the lines of a trust fund, you know, you want you want to be able to spell out that way as you go out and market businesses or
someone to give you sponsorship, you know, you can guarantee them, well, this money doesn't go for the road with it, the finance director's uh salary. This this only goes for here's here's the five things we can spend the money on, right? Yeah. Well, I I guess that makes
more sense when he says it like that. Yeah. You can create you can create you can create your own uh yeah but I understood a lot better honestly uh honestly you can you can do whatever you want. Yes he's exactly right. So yeah you do that but what I was saying is is yeah you just can't
just put money you know legislation is one thing. So like when when you get audited yes there's a restricted account restricted account has to have some reason behind it. So you can't just say I'm saving this money for next year or for an event or whatever. So that restricted money has to be spent on on a certain thing, but then you know you're
tied to that for ever, you know, or you know, till you spend it or whatnot. Well, well, given the fact that us taking in sponsorships is relatively new. I mean, we just recently created that that uh that process, right, to even take money in. Um, we probably need to look
at what happens when we don't spend all. Yeah. Could I just make one suggestion on that? Sure. I mean, I I understand where you're going to try to build up a kitty for, you know, future events. I think I would I would look at it maybe a little bit differently. Um, you know,
you you sold a centennial event to celebrate the city to the people that gave money and I think it would be maybe a better way to utilize any leftover money to do something that's going to be in the
community for a long time. I mean, you're not going to I mean, I have no clue what that finite numbers are. May not be a lot. We talked about a sign that's could different cost that probably would be. Yeah. I mean, something where, you know, you can, you know, again, honor Ocean Honda for
giving as much money, you know, Mr. Burke for as much money, something that's lasting and and maybe have a nice plaque, you know, funded by the kind support of these, right? you know, centennial uh contributors. You know,
maybe all you have is enough of for a bench in in the park at waterfront. I mean, I I don't know, but you have something that honors that that that you know, they can go see, you know, in the future. Yeah. No, I ideally I agree. If Well, what I what I don't want to do is put yourself in inflation. We have a lot
of money left over and we you know, we don't way to spend it. Yeah. That's probably not going to happen. I think we're going to have a little bit left and we could probably do something that we to zero it out. But just to have the framework in place that um that if sponsorships do come in for on down the road that they know that that money is
not being used for other things but that and again we should uh even if it comes down to having a another event that we we pay for or whatever. I think we should do our best to spend it down to zero because that's what it was given for. Well, and you have a line item you budget for every year for events, you
know. So, um I mean that you're always going to every year when you do your budget, you can put something, hey, you know, here's some for fireworks or here's some for whatever you got going on. You don't have a hundred year celebration every year. I mean, getting $54,000 donated to us for certain things is probably, you
know, a hundredyear event, you know. So, um my my my suggestion is spend it. I would Yeah. No, I intention of doing that, you know, with with the tickets and stuff coming in for those last events. If you wanted to buy a sign, that's one thing you can do it for. We say, "Hey, we remember this for a sign
and we can't buy it this year or maybe we don't have enough fun." You know, we can we can do that and that's a that's a fine thing to do. And I think the residual, like I said, giving it what them signs cost if we're going to rebrand the park. Um, that'll probably use whatever we have left for sure. Right. And I think the plaques would be
nice like Matt said for Ocean. Yeah. Like I said, we could even on that on that Centennial Park sign if we do that, we could we could put the sponsorships on there that help and that would be that, you know, that recognition for that, especially the at certain levels or put their logo on our
front door that they give us 20 grand. Front to your office. You put a you put another like a small little sign underneath it funding, you know. Yeah. Provided by or Ocean Honda or whoever. Sure. Okay.
Do you have something? Nope. Okay. No, I figured we'll just when we find out how much we got, we'll figure it out. Yeah. No, it's Yeah, let's We may have to borrow some more money. Who knows? So So yeah, we we'll we'll we'll talk about that once we start to close things down. What What's going to
happen? Anything else on Centennial Events? Thank you. Thank you everybody for helping make that successful. Yeah, glad it uh glad it went off well. I think everybody enjoyed it. It was a good time. So yeah, we definitely need to look at doing something on an annual basis for those those folks. I think
it's good for the city. Um parade any business expo coming up is that everything good for that? Just working on it. Yeah. Mayor's Bundle, anything? I do have Well, I I wanted to talk about
like South signs. Um I don't know if we talk about it now or we talk about it later. Sorry. Okay. because I really like what Mr. Lombardi did with those signs for the car show and I think we should have been doing that. Um I don't
know if we can make signs for and I I on that one for like the centennial festival and like like centennial celebration weekends if we can have signs like that all over our city to announce it so people can go to it. Um, and then the business expo. I mean, I
need to think about it, but I didn't know if we could have I don't know how long they'll take those little signs like the elections and put like business expo like it's going to be here and maybe I don't know if we can start I don't know if that's something easy we can do. I mean, they're pretty quick turnaround just in a couple days. Yeah.
Okay. So, I don't know if I can do that. Um, sure. So, definitely have something up. Let people know it's there. Yeah. And then I could just go around and put it the big one. There's no way I can put that by myself. But the little st ones, I can go around it like a real trip all
over. Yep. I mean, that's something. Um, I can get pricing from Space H next week. They've done they were the ones who did the Centennial banner. So, something they make the small signs as well. Yes. So, she just go ahead and order something so she can get it out this week. Well, I'm just asking. It's
for Wednesday. I don't know. Yeah, it's only like eight days away. Thanks for the anxiety. I can call them tomorrow and see, but can you please do you have um I I got to find out how much it's going to cost per sign. Um um it's uh I
don't know the price off the top of my head and usually it would be double-sided and we would put like Yeah. And how many I don't need that many. Maybe Yeah, four or five maybe. Okay. Well, I I I wonder as opposed to
that, would it be better maybe just to do one larger banner at that intersection because the event is right there? Yes. Kind of where that where he has that car show sign if we leverage that for that. Is it that day you wanted
or is it I was trying to get people to go to it. No, first that weekend before and that way get a few days. Yeah. I mean like the I remember seeing like Sertoma Festival. You see some of those bigger signs there at the that
intersection leading up week or two before the banner cost 100 bucks. Um I think it was like 90. It was 90 for the 3x6. And when do they come in? It's 90 bucks for a 3x6 banner because I don't know the little signs would be all that
effective. Yeah. They like if you put it at the entrance to where people stop at a stoplight like the uh the shrimp festival, lobster fest, all those, you know, they're very effective. That's how we found out about a lot of Oh, they No, not that they they they usually put them
out a couple weeks ahead of time when you got those big like up at Sunwest, they have that big festival every year. Um you know, just put one in our driveway. I'm like, "Oh, it's coming again." And around the neighborhoods. Yes. Right. Yeah. Right around here. Yes. That's what But as far as 19,
they're not going to be effective on 19 basically. No, the car signs those are right. I mean, you see those even something like just one big one if we can. I don't know if we can. If not, definitely for the centennial celebration. I can make a I can have them make a banner for the business expo
and hopefully have it done if I let them know first thing tomorrow morning. Um probably just change the banner that we have and put business expo and maybe the time and date on the one line. How do we put it up? Do we have wood poles? Um, yeah, we can. I mean, they'll have
grommets, so we can use PVC poles. We can use, you know, wooden poles. As long as we have permission to put it anywhere over there, that's fine. So, will those be considered a government sign because it's our event? You'd rather not answer that question.
You don't know how to answer the question. No, he's rather Oh, rather not answer that question. Why is that? Well, I mean the car show signs up over and that would be Ocean Honda or is that
he talked to City about that? Okay. But the ocean where TJ has his sign, Mr. Lombardi, is that an ocean Honda? Is that So that's I guess that's that's probably why you don't answer the question. Yes. Okay. But he has some on the other side by Walmart.
Walmart too. Well, the the the issue is is that uh their sign code, right? Yes. And um I should know that. It's you can't really violate it unless it's a government sign. I think is the the government has a little more
flexibility. Let's talk to the attorney and see what she has to say about. All right. But are you are you even gonna are you going to have enough time for them to get made and to get them out? I'd have to call them Yeah, I have to call in the morning to see how long how long it
would take to make them to make them. And you need them by Wednesday. Wednesday office Depot. We can probably get an answer on one thing tonight. She'll be here tonight. So we can ask her. Oh. Okay. So pinning her answer, we can we can do it. Go ahead. Get one if
it's okay. We get one. see how long it'll take. I think it'll take but a couple days, right? She was able to do the Well, I'm going to do the word. Yeah, I'm going to change wording a little bit, but it shouldn't take that long. But let me call Let me call him in the morning and find out. Okay. Okay.
Anybody that's signs banners? Well, I wanted to also create banners and uh just like we did for Boom Bayou, what we usually do is mount banners along Waterfront Park fence. Yeah. along the fence to
advertise it. Um, put a park a couple signs inside the park and then put a couple signs along the along the fence. And then I do about um let's say between a dozen and 20 of the smaller signs throughout the city for the you know for
the for the festival on May 18th. So I'd like to go forward with that. Get that get those I would have had those advertised that whole weekend though. Yes, I do. Sorry, I had my face turned away. Thank you. Um, no, I just would
think that we need to have something um that says like all three events, not just the 18. Mhm. I don't know about the mayor's ball because that's not Well, yeah. They'd have to preast the 17th and 18th. Yes, the 17th
and the 18th would be nice. The celebration weekend something. Yeah. Um along the same advertising. I know we talked about last meeting about all events and um Eventbrite. Did we get anywhere on
that? No, I have not had time to get anywhere on Eventbrite. So, um, yeah, if we try to get those somehow pushed out there just to help I don't know if there's a following in there that may help get some more participation. I did want to know, and
that's one thing for the business expo if because I'm going to be there, but I'm probably going to be doing things. I don't I don't know exactly how working, but if I don't know if another committee member would like to be there so we can have our own table and we can have our
signups and have and we can sell t-shirts and um challenge coins and everything at the expo at our expo. Yes, I should do that. Yeah, thank you. So, we can do that. You said you were going to man that one, right? What's that? You want to man that one? I thought you said
you. Yeah, I can do that. That would be great. and we could have it there and I mean I can always use help. So whoever wants to show up I'll be there too but I'm not but you'll be running around with a head like a chicken without a head. Yeah, but hopefully not. And so that's Wednesday. What time? Wednesday
it's um setup is at 2. Um it's going to be from 3:30 to 7:30. Okay. I can definitely help set up a bowl that night but um I can help set up for sure. Well we I'll bring we'll bring everything to set up for
that. We'll bring all the the same stuff that we have for all the other events, the t-shirts, the coins that just like we did for the fishing tournament. Going forward, every event's going to have to have that table. So, you know, you know, even at the mayor's ball, either we do something different outside or something
about promoting the other the last two. That would be great. So, and then and then the day of the seven the the 17th and 18th, you know, we're going to have a table selling the coins and shirts there as well. So going forward that that that's just a given. Okay. Um I
know public works and utilities would like to set up something um at the uh at the business expo to to promote about storm water. Love that. Huh. Development services. Well and development services. So um you know streets is that going to
be done by then that or not? They were talking about the car show, but that was I guess before. Um, since these are inter in inter departments, are we going to charge them to have tables? Okay. Yeah. And I was
even have one too. What's that? Finance have one too. Finance. What? Finance department will have one there too. Have a tent. There's a charge. You want inside or out? Outside. I'm going to I'm going to balance everybody's checkbook. You'll be the entertainment. Yeah. Oh,
burn it up. You're getting paid. I'll be like, is is that okay with with finance that the inter city departments have a free? I don't agree with it, but Well, I kind of had that. So, I was also
thinking because you've been overridden, by the way. I I noticed if I didn't say we offered it to Honda, but I was also thinking to offering it to other sponsors that sponsored our events if they would like to have something there. Um and again that would just be on us
because really it's no cost to us to them have a table right um can do or table for wet fruit or in like the other sponsors let's say oh yeah but you know I'm going to assume any of the other sponsor I think it was in our what was in the benefits um yeah definitely ocean
um if you know the development group wants to they may want to yeah and also for the centennial festival um the vendors like everything is free. I mean, if the city also wants to set up that day, they can as well. I mean,
obviously, um, the more the marrier. It's up to everyone. If Adam wants to be there, too, with Adam was just saying earlier he was looking forward to actually being there the whole day. So, Oh, from 12:00 to 9:00. Perfect. The whole day. I just I didn't know if my schedule will allow it, but you're going to hold the fort.
Great. He He is a salary employee, correct? Perfect. That means nothing. 5,000 at will. Those are the best volunteer, right? We're going off the rails. Those are the best committee businesses.
Volunteer. Sorry. That's just your hobby. Community service hours. Um, let's let's get this one off our chest. Obviously, the golf scramble, we have no signups. The only one we have is Ocean Honda want to play, right? And so I say um
any objections to canceling that event? Okay. Because I think we're have no choice. So um the other discussion on that is obviously Ocean Honda who is supposed to get two event team entries free. Um which they've not used any and they did have a team for the golf scramble. Um you just pay for them to
play. Any ideas on what you do? I think you had what's that? Just pay for them to play. Yeah, exactly. It was, you know, buy them a round of four at the at the thing. I don't know what that or so we had we paid $200 that I I wonder if
um is that just can they give us credit for rounds of golf for that $200 since we're canceling event? I can ask him. I mean, he's I don't know that he'll get back to me right now, but I can certainly write you back tomorrow morning. Yeah. So, I will see if we get
some kind of credit, golf credit for those that $200. Did you already cuz I think you had a deadline to tell him? Yeah, I have to tell him Sunday. So, so he it's as far as he's concerned it's canceled. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. Just if you could ask. Yeah, he's a nice guy. Yeah, I'm sure he would care. I don't um
and I don't know if if they'd want, you know, I'd be happy to play with them, too. Just staff, put a team of four together, we all go out with them or something. Yeah, I'll reach out to them now because I wanted to wait till we officially cancel before I start pulling stuff off
the the website and Facebook. Um, but I'll I'll email Shandanda and let them know but that we're trying to do something for their specific team. Um, because you know their sponsorship, you know, and get them to play. So, um, but as soon as she has more information,
then we can move forward with that. But you could even be their candy, I guess, if that was a Got to make it up. Yeah. I mean, it doesn't have to be four people, right? I mean, it could be five. I mean, now that it's not a tournament, you can argue. They they normally they don't let any
more than four play at once. Um, just because of timing. Um, so, okay. But if they didn't want team, you know, that two could go with two from staff and the other two staff, whatever. Or this they go by themselves, whatever.
I just be as accommodating as possible, I'll say. So, and I don't know what a round of golf costs there. Do you? Uh, I don't remember. I mean, they had it set up for us for like $59.99 or something. Oh, so $200 probably covers almost a round of
four, right? Well, that's my asking. Okay, cool. Okay. Anything else on events? Well, I do want to talk about the um the bounties. the bouncies. So, I hate to be that
person, but the the the the connect four and the I would assume the the um the axe throw is a is a safety is a safe type of axe throw game, right? Not a real is a blow up, right? Yeah. We know what the
real one blowup axes. It's a picture of it right there on the back. I'm okay with those two and maybe we can find some maybe maybe this company offers a few other similar games to that. But well, we've got So I don't All right. There's Connect Four. Go ahead. Connect
for Yeah, let me finish real quick. Oh, no. But there's So there's two um obstacle courses, which means it's not bouncy house. You you send a kid through, they have to come out before the next kid goes. So there's no um less a whole lot less liability there. We
also have um a couple other yard games. Um and there's a like a basketball throwy. It's a it's another bouncy house type material so they can't get hurt on it. Um we also have the dunk tank coming and that um that's not on here. That's
another company. Um they are uh providing a fence to go around that so that we have to just have one person manning the entrance to that fence. So it's not like somebody has to keep walking around it making sure there's no kids around it. Um that will help with
liability as well. And also we have cornhole and maybe one other thing. So I'm fine with anything that has nothing to do with them running, jumping, or the fact that I just I like
I said I got I like the connect four. I like the axe throw type of game. If we can get more stuff like that if the that's fine. I just when it comes to obstacle courses or anything like that, I just I I think of just something happening, a liability. Um, plus we're
going to have to have people manning every station. Um, you know, one before, one after. We barely have any volunteers as it is, you know. So, yeah, I mean, we're we're going to find volunteers, but you think you're going to find volunteers, but we don't have any
volunteers as of right now. So, it's let's let's just say like where we are currently right now, we only have two three volunteers total. Well, let me ask a question on something like this. Let's use the the OBS course as an
example. If that's controlled access, can we have the parents sign a waiver? And well, they would have to sign a waiver regardless, right? if they they get a band to be able to do these games, they do not get a chance to just jump in
there and go play. They have to sign a little waiver at the registration table or entrance table and they get a band and if they don't have a band on, they don't go on the on these on these things. So, so our church has to do it too. So, so that's what I'm saying. So, we have to draft a waiver. We'd have to
have a waiver drafted um looked over. Now, we have to involve legal to do that because it's not we just can't we can create one, but they're still gonna have to review it, make sure it covers our our liability. Um, do we have a general waiver of liability? Not for anything
like this. We don't we usually don't allow bounce houses or stuff like that due to um, you know, you know, chance of an accident. So, we No, we don't. We'd have to have one created and approved before to move forward. Um because we
have playground equipment up there, right? That's Yeah, but that's all this that Yeah, but that's, you know, that's built by, you know, these these are it's almost like um Carney going to a festival, right? You know, the playgrounds are built by professionals.
They're, you know, constructed. Everything is built to code. A building inspector looks them over before they're erected. Um they're designed that, you know, for that for longevity and and everything like that. This is very temporary. This is on the scene that day. So when in the um when you rent
these, I don't know much about this business, but I'm assuming that they have some form of liability. If their their product hurts somebody, they're responsible. Yes. Well, I'd like to see that paperwork. We have to review that to make sure, you
know, collapses on their insurance certificate. Yeah. We're You got some color? Well, I was just gonna say that that the issue is that while they have insurance for that, we would be sued at the same time.
They're probably not going to indemnify us. You know, they may's additional insurance may not indemnify us. And I don't know if the depification really would last anyways, but anyhow, um the issue then becomes from our our insurance perspective, they're going to
look at it and they do look at it different than the equipment that we have in in our in our uh in our playgrounds parks. In theory, we're we're supposed to be out there. We own it. We maintain it. We're supposed to maintain a certain level. We inspect it
and do all these things. The problem is you can't guarantee. Now, I mean, I first off, let me just say, you know, back when I was a kid, we wouldn't be talking about this. You know, our parents would be throwing us at that stuff, right? Say, go get her.
Yeah. Um, so it's hard for me to talk about this because I'm thinking about that in the back of my mind. But any um today is a different time. Yeah. Totally different. And that's that's why we have to be cognizant of this. And so that's that's where, you know, we have to be concerned about what our insurance would
have to say because they may not cover us if someone gets injured because again when when you go to a playground, we don't have someone there watching the children play on the playground. Right. Right. And so here ostensibly you're going to have someone watching the
children playing there if they get injured because you know one too many kids gets through the the gate and they hit heads and they're concussed and all this other stuff. Um that's that's the difference in the liability between a playground versus you know what what
we're what we're talking about now. you know, the the the waiver takes, you know, we we have waivers, you know, we'd have to modify it specifically for this. So, that's not a big deal at all. We can take care of that. Um, again, editorial
shame. We have to even think about this. Um, so I mean that that to me is not a big concern. Uh again, devil's in the details with what the agreement demification we'd have to make sure, but just say that other cities do these
things. So, we should be able to do it as well, right? Um, and and just, you know, as as a government, you just want to, you know, have a little bit higher level of of oversight than than you what you might see at a private event. I
Which is also why I fix picked what I did. Yeah. Well, it's because it's literally they're only allowed to have one double axe, though. I mean, that Well, yeah, but that's it's literally you could beat the crap out of somebody. It's not a hoping real.
Well, I also bring this up too. I believe in our in our park use agreement there is no bouncy houses and inflatables and stuff. Yeah. Which I gota Yeah, we would have to just make sure on I think that's why building department never allowed it before when people asked to do it for
their birthdays and stuff like that. You told me all this when I told y'all I was doing all this. Um, but like the connect and that's why well like I said if they have other other things that we can use like that and like the cornhole is a great idea
you know that's you know that that's fine little carnival games. Yeah, carnival games. I know Culver's just they don't have very much of that I'm getting I got like Plinko. I mean I can't do horseshoes because they would throw them at each other. Um I got one of the duckies. There's like a can that
jars who do js. I love that. Why can't Well, I have two thoughts. First of all, on the horseshoes, you could you could buy plastic ones rather than the metal ones. But yeah, my thought on this is right. Some of these things are
expensive and for us to buy it for a one-time use, I think, is is a waste of our money. the connect four. I've seen those in playgrounds like those eventually may be able to be part of the park should we decide to do that.
Cornhole hole also same kind of thing. We could leave it there as part of the park. So that those are like but I'm saying so the residents could use those um for but other than that I for a onetime thing I I don't think it's
a good spend of our money. Well, we're renting. This is renting. This is renting. Okay. Sorry. It's a little short. Did you call the um the church that gave you their phone number? Because they
when they do their events there at the waterfront park, they have all kind of um like little booths. But like you have to have people man them though. And they have games like I don't know. I gave you that number of the church that the guy had. They had
spoo. Yeah, we for like little games for the kids. As Matt said, government do this, right? So, we should be able to do it. We just need know make you need make sure that we do the right things to be able to do it. So, and and
maybe do we limit it to just maybe one big obstacle course so we have to worry about Yeah, the other one was thrown in because it's um So, which one would be the one? What's that? No, there was there was there's two of them right
now supposed to be the 65. That first one and the other one. What's the difference? What's the difference between the two? So is what's on here? This the ones even at zero. They're they're giving us all those. So no, no, no, no. All right. So some of them are
just pictures. So like that radical run 35 zero. Was that like the connect force? She's throwing in, right? And there's actually a um there's a same as the axe throw. It's a blow up, but it's got like a basketball thing, right? They can throw hoops. Okay. Um so and the
um so that one is free and the connect four is free. She just tried to and she tried to do it in her system the right way. So my question is all the things listed on here radical 35 actually ordered the 50 foot one. That one was the one that she kind of threw in the
jungle track. Correct. But these are free the radical run 35 and is a zero. That's maybe she threw in one too many for 1245. No, I think she put one on there anyway. Yeah, I got to go I got to fix that
zero. But yes, but the radical run is the free one. The other one's not supposed to be on there. That's supposed to be That's what it is. That's supposed to be the one that has the basketball. Okay. So, it's just this one. The radical run 65. So, I was thinking that was a picture of that one, but it's not.
So what this quote includes connect four the radical run 65 and the 50oot juggle track and axe throw just those four and yeah the basketball yep and then she was throwing in the
other one the 50 foot one at the end she throwing in two which is what I'm saying well I'm confused say 375 but she didn't get the she didn't throw She didn't put the proper one in here. It
was supposed to be the one that has the basketball and stuff. Instead, she's stuck in that 50ft jungle truck. It's not supposed to be there. So, it's supposed to be the radical two optical radical run
connect. Um, the X and the basketball. So, what do you think? Huh? Get it. You're going to man it. You're manning it. You're there all day. Have
you heard anything about connect? Is this the only company that does this? No, there's hundreds of them. I can look. I'm going to see if I can find like a garn carnival style game vendor type of thing. I know. I've
looked all over the place, but this these are the companies that have and which is where I'm getting the cornhole from the duck and the um Leo and Cam has their things all the time at the park there.
Yeah, but somebody has to provide all that stuff. There is there's there's a company that inflatables back on. Is that what you're talking about? Provides the little games, right? that you're saying. She says the little game like little boo,
you know the church that the guy comes and does the I gave her his his card. I gave her his card. I don't Well, see, she's done a lot of work in trying to get all this put together. So,
I think we need to um scale back or Yeah. Right. Do do we want to try to go forward with the FL? I mean, the finance director says he's all on board, so I don't whatever that means. He's manning it. Want to run those
obstacle course and you will do it. Well, the only thing I'm thinking about these, you know, these blowup obstacle courses is because they're going to be sitting out in the sun. The sun's going to be beat on. They're going to be very hot. So, you know, that was the other factor I was thinking about. I mean, I agree
with the city manager. I'm, you know, I'm 50 years old. When I was a kid, none of this was an you know was a thing. But we have to think we have to think differently today. Um so you know in here I was looking I was thinking about maybe you know like you
know like a video game like a video game trailer or you know something like that where where the kids can play. I was looking at ideas like that thinking of you know something less you know less liability. Um and and I'll call them for availability outside. You want them outside. Oh, I'm just I'm just saying I
just I was looking for different things. But but I I'm more I'm more inclined for a game for like just outdoor games like you know the plastic horseshoes, the the connect four, you know, you know, even the axe throwing is not not that bad because it's not like they're climbing over anything. They're just throwing it
at the target. So, um I just thinking about these obstacle courses and things that they're going to be climbing on between the hot plastic and, you know, the fact they can just hurt themselves. I mean, it's just something to think about. Um, you know, but and this is
just for kids. Yes. Okay. Just for kids. Well, anybody that would sign that waiver 50 pounders. Okay. I mean, if we we get a waiver sign, we can get them to sign waivers. I'm I'm, you know, then that's perfectly fine with me. I mean, if we can get a waiver, if we're allowed
to do that and have that signed, have at it. I mean, they could play all day. That's how you do it, right? Somebody let me know something in the next couple days. Yeah. We can't even come to a decision here quickly too, but we got another meeting. Volunteers to watch them the whole time they're there. And that's another thing is that we also have to approach. There's only be a
handful of us. Well, that's what I was getting with the waiver is that can we um have the parents make sure that they they they keep track of their own children. I mean, it's not we're not going to have an attendant there. Well, you have to have an attendant. If not, they're all going to want My
community had a bouncy house for Easter, but there was one lady there. She was she lives in our community. The line was like this. She tried to get like five people in and they were jumping jumping jumping. Then they were trying to come in. They couldn't get the people to stop jumping to try to get out. That's why I
didn't do any bounce houses. Oh, it was a mess. These are these are make them race that way. They're trying to get in and out. So, it seems somewhat controlled. That's why I didn't do a bouncy house. At the beginning and at the end. you
need somebody. Yeah. Yeah. I'll help you. Yeah. I mean, I'm going to sell shirts, right? I mean, there's Well, we're going to be there working. So, yeah. But, um I mean, we have not really pushed trying to get the volunteers yet.
So, that was we were hoping to get a lot through the city, but I mean I do have my church's youth group and there's that other church I was going to go with for your their youth group. Um that's a place to start. I want to know if committee members um have we gotten I
don't know if we've talked about this but have they not us but other committees have they signed up for anything to assist? Have they done anything? No. Is that something that we can push for them to do it? I think they have been asked by an email. Okay. I
don't know. I'm just asking. Yeah. In general, but I mean for obvious for a specific task. Can you help man a obstacle course at the thing? We get past that. I I would think that someone I mean I would hope or they have some family member that wouldn't mind, you
know, young adult or something we can do. Are we um this is just a random question, but would this be something that we can do for community service hours? I know like the young kids need community service hours and stuff. Is that something that we can have if high
schoolers or something they come and do, you know, 12 to 9:00 p.m. that maybe the city manager or you can sign off and say, "Yes, they were here. They helped us." M because that's we can tell the schools. Yeah, we can do that. Okay. I can I
mean, you probably can't have like everyone a certain I mean, you have to have some adults watching over. No, no, no. But like Yeah. Just so they can volunteer. It could be anything from from just, you know, going to the vendor booth and giving this out or a parade
and Okay, perfect. Thank you. I'll reach out. So, do we are we good to move forward on this then? Any objections? Scale it back. Leave it the same as is. Is there certain things you want to is
the dunk tank and the basketball and the corn holes? Is that part of this price? Separate company. It's what? Separate company. The dunk tank. Oh, it's a different company. Yeah. I was trying to get her to send me the official invoice today, but she did not. Oh, actually I started asking on Friday, but haven't
quite gotten there yet. It was Easter weekend. And the duct tank has a heater, right? No, they are nice. They're doing it like the Titanic water, you know, with the door. Yeah, with the door. But you're not on the door. The uh public works said they'll use the vac to fill
it up. It's great. It's great news. And uh by the way, I was I was going to let you off the hook, but you were definitely being a dunk tank now. I mean, I can definitely go back to just having the one obstacle course like I was wanted in the first place, but she just was throwing in another one. I'd like to scale it back. If they have anything other like any other field
games, that'd be great. When do we have to get final word on this? Because then at that at the same time we can look into the waiver and get getting that done. When do we when they next week should by next meeting we got to lock it in. All right. That sounds fair. Okay. Anything else on She's holding the
date for me right now. The dunk tank for sure. Oh well that's temporary, right? Yes. Yeah. I mean if you need to get something back I mean there's opportunity to No, no. I think that if anything we have to put more is that just you know and we've been advertising
we need to you know we got to we're already canceling golf scramble I don't want to let that go so many things understood I'm just you know thinking of the city right as a whole any other events updates
um the mayor's bowl um we're we're starting to get information back from the dignitaries um we have one confirmed is um you know our lobbyist Mike Moore um they will be attending um we haven't got any Mike Moore lobbyist our lobbyist
Mike Moore okay um we haven't gotten any guesses yet from any of the others but they're still coming in so we're we're still waiting to hear that I'd say so see if you if I get them all so um Governor Santis can't so he's he's out
our city attorney cannot um uh commissioner Uh Oakley cannot and commissioner uh Starky cannot. Is that is that everybody? I think so. I think
that yeah so far I think it's all so far because we've been basically copy respond right well Sanders office. Have we sold any new tickets? So the president hasn't responded. Haven't heard from the president or J Banks. So,
we have nice tell me there's a chicken five all together. So, we've sold five all together. Okay. And and then we have, you know, Mike Moore and his guest. So, um we we got a list. Yeah. I I think those uh I mean there's
other people I got two that's going to buy. So, I mean they'll be coming in probably pretty steady as it gets closer. Well, gonna get me a list of the people that are free. Um, I'll charge it to this account so we know. I have to get confirmations from them because I've
notified I've notified all boards and committee members in council. Um, I only have one confirmed on council so far. I'm sure the others are going to attend, but they have to let me know, you know. Yes. And with the city people, that's what he's talking about. Okay. And then
the board, our boards and committee members. Um, I've the only one who's who's responded was Lorie Simpson. So, and so while we're talking about the mayor's ball and and obviously Linda uh was not voted in for re-election, but I'd like to I could sense it make sure
she's still okay to have her in her plus one. Now, she is on the CAC still. Um but I I think I mean she' been a big part of the city for the last three years. I close out saying, but I want to make sure that everybody's okay with that. Okay. So, she still has her plus one as
well. Um, I'm having a meeting with the Veronica from development services at the end of the week to lock in the vendors for both events because we've been advertising vendors to attend both the 17th and 18th, you know, the food vendors. So, we're going to we're going
to separate them as far as we don't want we don't want like three ice cream people and so on and so forth. So, we usually split that up and, you know, confirm that. So, we're going to be doing that on Friday. Perfect. And just let us know. Yeah. I will let you know how many how many actually that we have
locked in for that. So, okay. So, I can see cuz I there was a coffee company too that wanted to do it. They didn't know if they can, but then they gave me another food truck for coffee in Spring Hill and I can reach out to them. But I want to see first what you have. You have any coffee or uh No, but tell them to go ahead and submit the application
because we want everyone to submit their application so then we can we can go through that list and then decide who we're going to move forward with. Okay. We're not saying yes to everybody because like I said, we don't want, you know, we don't want five ice cream. We don't want five, you know, you know, beverage. Email the admin and I can send
them the application. Okay. So, that's I've gotten quite a few who have who I've responded to with the applications and um they either respond to Veronica's email or mine and then I will forward it to Veronica for their to select. Okay. And then there is people that are vendors for the like they're under the
Florida food cottage law of the like lemonade and the cookies and everything. Those are not vendors like like truck food truck vendors. Those are just regular food truck I mean regular vendors booth vendors. Thank you. So those are okay, right? Because I'm
getting that that information. I'm getting I'm getting more than just I'm getting more than just food truck vendors. I'm getting non-food. I'm getting local like bread companies, small businesses who just do tent, right? Not a food truck. So, I'm I'm
having them fill out the application as well. So, Okay. So, all of them have to Yes. Everyone. All vendors. All vendors. Oh, okay. And then is that is there a payment that they have to do on that one then? Well, no, because we're not we're not having them pay until we select, you know, because here's the thing. If you
have even the tent vendors, if they're if they're selling if they're selling lemonade, but then you have a food truck, you know, food truck lemonade truck, you know what I'm saying? We have to make sure how many who how many we have of each one and we don't want we don't want duplicates. So, we make sure we have And how about the crafts? Like
like ours are you on Saturday, huh? Yeah, we have the free vendors on Saturday. That's why we thought that it was the vendors. We can just tell them yes, you can come. But if it's because we said they're not paying anything. I already told that I have a whole bunch of vendors. But are
they selling? They're selling stuff. Yeah. Like um the the community service, I mean community service, community market that we went to. Um I got people that do the crochet. Um there's a bride lady,
there's a cookie lady, there's a dog treat person, there is um a hands and soap fizzy thing. Okay. Books. No. Yeah, but those are all vendors. Actually, those are all they need to do the application. I have their information, but then they're going to pay something.
Yes, cuz I told them it was free. Remember, we said vendors were going to be free except food trucks. I don't remember saying that. You said that. I don't I don't remember agreeing to that. I thought that's all ag trucks
like food trucks was paying and then vendors like free for Christ. Well, okay. For instance, like Culver's wants to set up a tent, but they're not charging. They're not selling anything. They just want to play a game and give out gifts. That's fine. But if if you're free, that that's free. But if someone
else is going to sell items at at our event, they have to they have to fill out the application and they would pay Yeah, we had it free, though. I thought it was Well, no, I thought I thought the Fleet Fest when we combined it. Obviously, it was a separate event, but I thought it was uh it was was it $10
for a vendor or $10 for a individual and it was something else? There's two tiers of cost. Yeah. But when we were going to do that, it wasn't right. It was different. So like if I changed everything garage sale stuff up there that was Yeah. Well, we changed
everything and we all agreed that that it was all the vendors would be free for the but we can't we can't have we can't charge food trucks and and make them pay and then other people selling stuff for Well, we thought it was because of the permitting like the food trucks they have to be inspected. Florida cottage
law people could just sell their stuff like you can make bread in your house and it wasn't Yeah, that was on here February 25th, but I don't think that's when we made it. I have entry for parade, no charge, vendors, permit cost
for the food truck. We go back and roll the tape. Apparently February 25th because I thought April 1st we talked about it. Well, and the thing is we have to have a counting of all that are going to attend at the park. We can't we can't that's
why the that's the whole essence of the application as well knowing who would show up and who doesn't. No, I have I'm I'm having I'm keeping with vendors and I had to send it to you guys but I'm doing it all like a chart thing. I have it though. But I thought that vendors like crafts and stuff cuz I told these people they were free and they were all
excited. Okay. So I mean that that for me it's like I lied to them because I thought it was free for vendors crafts and stuff like that. Then food truck an actual truck or trailer was going to pay the permitting. The committee is going to have to make a
right. So how many how many commitments you got on the free probably like 20 or more? How many? I mean, I just sent you the Have they Have they filled out anything to They've sent me back like I've asked I need your organization name, your contact information, everything. They're asking for flyers so
they can send it out. I mean, practically everybody from the the community market wants to do it. I have I have had other people that are tent vendors email me and I've sent them the
application. I think it's good to to fill out the application regardless. Yeah. So, we have an accurate count. So, depending on I can go back and and try to confirm what the committee had decided for vendors versus food trucks. I just want to make sure because then if not I have to tell these people, oh,
sorry. Well, from my perspective, I'd much rather have a lot of stuff going on as opposed to any charge or whatever. And again, as long as we you can't just we can't fill park up. I mean, if it's a free event, you mean technically you could have over
booked, right? You got too many people. So, I think we're not we don't want that either. We probably need to have a plan together where how many spots we got or whatever. And the issue, just keep in mind the issue is going to have is let's use that example of two lemonade vendors. One's a food truck. It's not right. If you're charging food truck,
absolutely. You're gonna have that issue. So, I mean, just keep that in mind. Yeah. I And I I think Yeah. I mean, anyone in the US selling food, I I don't think should be for free at all. And that's fine. I mean, completely or and it need to be and we need to have that list up front. So, I
don't I don't have a lemonade food truck and then a lemonade tent or an ice cream food truck and then someone selling ice cream and I can send you that. I mean, it's just lemonade and cookies. The whiskey whiskey whiskey uh the cookie lady the food selling like items to eat.
Dog treat one. Um the food the food um the cookie lady the bread one is selling um to make coffee at home and the other one is the lemonade. That's it. Boba lemonade. That was the boba lemonade one
in the community market. That's it. Okay. That's food wise. Then the rest are like books and things like that. That's like their crafts. What's that? I still think that they should all fill out. So we have no problem with that.
Yeah. And I agree with that. That's fine. I just want to know about payment. And they're going to ask me because I'm going to tell them now. Oh, hey, we have to. So if we could decide something today, I don't know if we can or we have to table this because we're almost we're out of time. They're have to look at the video. Do I mean do you
need a decision before next Tuesday? Yeah. Yeah. I'm gonna I'm gonna look tomorrow. Okay. Confirm. Yeah. Let's so Ashley find out what the agreement was or whatever and if if we need to as committee change that or whatever next meeting we can do that and I even put it
out on Facebook that I put free for vendors. So I mean I don't know I'll I'll make that first and again I think we as long as we don't have any problems with the somebody walking over a food truck that's selling the same thing or
whatever they're charging or whatever it's probably not that big a deal. Is that your concern? Is that Well, it that's like I said, it's we're asking them to, you know, to to pay money and then these other people who are making money, not to spend money. It's just I I like I said, I don't recall agreeing to
that because that just to me that's just not fair across the board. But well, we could do we could do the food trucks as well. What is inspection cost, right? That's up to the committee. Yeah. I mean, cats out of the bag sounds like. So, I'm asking is what? So, with for the
food trucks, the fee is for inspection, right? Or no, I don't. I'm just asking. Isn't the fee for it to be inspected? And then the next question we're going to get is how much is the fee? So, how much is it? What are we talking about? Yeah, we we'll table Tuesday. She'll get
some more information about what was done. Um, get the list together. We're have to get them to fill out a form at a minimum. So, I'll get them to fill out the form and then and when you talk to them, you can let
them know that um discuss it on Tuesday, see what the Well, and then the fact that they're, you know, they fill out the application. It's an application. It's not a guarantee that they're coming. The application is an application. I think we all understood and all the food trucks, that's what they're doing. and they're they're submitting an
application that you know and then we decide who will be attending because we don't want duplicates and we don't want you know you know someone overriding someone else you know this you know when you plan an event that's that's the last thing you want is duplicates of of the same thing I understand but also for
crafts and stuff you could have two ladies that the same thing but there's different animals different things I think that's probably fine I don't think that's an issue like last week was the first time we heard about the vendor. I've got to shut y'all down because we've we're running out of time here. So, um we'll
we'll table that discussion until next meeting. We'll get some more information. Um by the way, do we have any any entries for the parade? No, not yet. No. Okay. Um little business. Uh we got
comments from the chair, committing anything. Anybody have anything? I think we pretty much cover everything. Okay. If that look for a motion make a motion. Second. Make a motion to what? To s. Okay. Okay. I post second. All in favor saying I. I. Part: 2
Okay, thank you. Council meeting Thursday. So, Father God, we just come to you in the precious name of Jesus. Lord, we just thank you for the mayor and the council here and for the new people that come on board and for the sheriff and
and the vision that you've given us as a a city to uh lift up you and to counsel the matter. So Lord, I thank you for the council tonight that the stuff that's on the agenda, supplies of the impact vehicles and for the fire station and
all the equipment they need. Lord, we know that it takes equipment to be able to to run and go out there and do stuff to help people. So, I just thank you, Lord, that the needs will be supplied by the city through the council that uh that we hear the hearts and minds of the
people and the stuff that's on there in new business or old business and everything that we need. So, I asked again for wisdom. ask for for for the truth and for the unity and for them to make council and that it will be good
for not only for the city but for for us and for the people and for the community for you're the one who helps us in these areas in Jesus name I pray. Amen. To the flag of the United States of
America to the stands nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Mayor John here. Vice Mayor Chris Mayer here. Councilman David Mueller here. Councilman Robert Hubard here.
Councilwoman Lisa Burke here. City Attorney Nancy Meyer here. City Manager Matthew Coffler here. Thank you. Okay, we have no minutes to approve tonight. So, we're going to move on to comments from the general public. I do have a few signups. Start with Danny Fields. Welcome.
Name's Danny Fields. My address is 8114 Le Kid. Again, I just want to thank you for everything you guys do. I it's so great to partner with you guys and the faith-based church and government working together. I've got a few things I want to cover. We just did Waterfront
Park uh at the Easter story about Jesus and the real story. We had over 400 plus people there. We logged in volunteer hours over 200 through the faith-based church and community. We
spent over 10 plus thousand dollars just in that event that was done by the faith-based church and our community to be able to get out and celebrate. I I thank you, mayor, for being there and uh speaking to to the people, Dave Mueller
and others, the fire department. Wow. The people was so great that they they enjoyed everything, the little fire trucks and the ambulances and all that you did and passing out that candy and stuff like that. It just it just pours out into the community. And that's
that's what I'm here about. Just reminding us, you know, that there's so much we could do. I know we do the celebration for, you know, the 100 years of being in Newport Richie, but there's so much that we're doing and continue to do and
growing and working together with our businesses and growth. And I I got to commend uh you know what you guys keep that park excellent clean and nice shape. And we when we leave we we we clean it back up. You you probably noticed that, right?
It's just nice. So we you know we we honor that. We we we're grateful for public works and all they do. And uh I'm so grateful for the police department. And I think the new chief, me and him, is going to talk about things that'll be coming up and be part of that as well as
a community. And uh so I got a little bit of time left. So, you know, uh when you got all these different communities and people coming together, motorcycle Christians and family and that the the people mayor, you you was there. I mean
for a little city all that happened there and we could do that five times and plus it really pours into community. It brings business, it brings faith, it brings hope, it brings unity. It it it puts the city on the map as a place where people recognize it. the the
comments if you could just hear what I get because I'm on that team and I and people come up to me, Danny, you know, the mayor was here, you know, and that that made me feel good and the police and the fire department and and the community and it makes for great public
relationships and okay, now I got a little bit of time left. So on uh it's called pour out to the God of hope and that would be Jesus and be filled. In Romans 15:13, it talks about uh a thing. What is happening is in our
government in the United States, this is the 74th anniversary of the National Day of Prayer coming up May the 1st. And just give me a minute and I'm almost that'll be Thursday, May the 1st at 2025. That will be at uh 8731 Citizen
Drive here in Newport Richie at Pasco government building. And we're going to be at 12:00 to 1:00. We're going to be having an event there. We're going to be praying. Usually the police is there and the sheriff and the county commissioners
and all that. And we worship, we pray, we pray for the government and leaders. And so, Mary, you've been there before. You know, it's a big event and and we never have no complaints. So, everything goes good. But we got a lot on the agenda tonight. I just want to thank you
for your time and for uh recognizing that uh that we're here with you to partner with you and partner with God and just watch each other be encouraged. And I'm all about faith and I'm all about family. And all I'm all about
growth and and and unity. And for black, white, young, and old to be a people to come together to a place where we could live, play, work, and and be known as a place where they want to live and come and visit and spend their money and and come and be entertained in Jesus name.
Amen. Appreciate you. Jessica Miranda, welcome. Hi. Uh, my name is Jessica Feronda. Be a little patient with me. I don't do speaking like at all. Yeah. Need your address as well for the record. All right. My address is uh 5106 Limestone
Drive and um um here uh because I was one of the flood victims from the recent hurricanes uh back starting with a hurricane. My house was the lowest in the land over
there on limestone and unfortunately it was flooded a little bit there and received a little damage with that hurricane. Um we had started looking for assistance uh through FEMA. There was an SBA disaster loan that we were applying
for um to get the home repaired and back to habitable. Um, and so we didn't realize at first that we needed to get a uh an inspection after that flood. Um,
and then we receeded up receiving a notice of demolition from the city um, back in January 2024. And I came in and I asked if we could just repair the damage at that time. Um, and I was told that I had to
pay $400 and file an appeal. um to and that they wouldn't be able to issue any permits until that appeal was over with. Um over the following months, I came in multiple times to building services and asked for a status update
when the appeal would be taking place. Um when I would be hearing from the city and was consistently told that they were working on it, um they get back to me and life just kind of happened. And
it was, you know, a lot of events came up for me. Um, I tried to come in about every month to get an update and I didn't hear anything. Uh, over so by the time, you know, hurricane
season had come around again there, they were saying just resubmit the appeal. So I tried that. Um, but then we had back-to-back hurricanes and unfortunately they were much worse. Uh, they completely flooded
the house. It blew out some floor joist. The home was uninhabitable. Um, and we started cleaning up again. Sorry, it was a bit much. Um, I had told development services that since
the house was irreparably damaged, it was an older 1950s, you know, cracker house type of thing and that we'd just go ahead and demolish the home. We had been putting plans into place uh to
build on top of the detached garage. Uh, had a structural engineer come out and look at that. and we were still working on our SBA loan to get funding done. Um, but that hit snags with uh
uh sorry they changed systems on us and so it kind of got lost. Uh I hope you don't mind if I go over just a tad. Just play quick. Okay. Sorry. So, there's more to the story,
but in the end, they had only given us a 30-day uh permit to demolish. I'd asked for financial help or if they knew of any financial help. Um, and they hadn't. So, I paid for the demolition permit,
and I had not realized it was only a 30-day permit because originally, I've been told I would have 60 days to begin work. Um, and that's what it says in the fine print of the permit. I have a copy of if you guys need to see it. It's pretty hilar. But um they could only
said they would only offer an extension, a one 30-day extension, and we were only able to demolish the house. We weren't able to finish the detached garage, which if that's what y'all want us to tear down, I need to ask to file
another uh permit. Okay. I'm going to I'm going to cut you off just cuz I know back and forth. I'm going to give you my card. Okay. Reach out to me tomorrow. Okay, we have a conversation and let's there's a lot of information here obviously and not this first I hear of it. So if you can quick approach take this reach out to me tomorrow and I'll
uh we'll have a conversation. You're fine. Too nervous. Thank you. Thanks for coming. Appreciate you guys uh for your time. Absolutely. Thank you. Uh next up is Bill Stevens. Welcome. My address is 9454 Royal Palm Avenue.
I'm also a co-owner to 5106 in Limestone. I'm essentially a life resident of Port Richie, having uh grown up with all my activities in Port Richie. At one time before 10 years old,
I could walk on mangroves from Dedra all the way down to the house on top of the mangroves. and they have since been converted to houses. The garage that she's speaking of was built in 1985. Your building office does not have
those blueprints. We've requested them several times. Clay Shake was the building official. We've paid taxes on that detached garage since then. It was built with intent to go above by Alpha Builders. They are no longer in
business. My proposal is to revise our plans on our new house to mirror the houses across the street. That is raise the floor of the garage with a floating slab which you which is what you required to do
today. Put a garage door on the front like across the street. a se perhaps a second garage door like across the street and uh windows like across the street so we reflect the housing around us there. How do I know this can be
done? When I was 16 years old I was hired in Gulf Harbors would to help build those homes and new owners often wanted a new window of door. What would I do? Go draw it, take a saw, cut it out and knock it out and finish it from
there. When my kids were growing up, I did remodeling such as out at Forest Lakes here on Ridge Road in condominiums and they had garages underneath. Oh, you want a stairwell going down? I cut out the slab floor with
rebar and put in this the stairwell for them. They're on it on my in my own neighborhood. I helped build four houses because we were a neighborhood. That's what we did. We did not have assisted funding at that time. My neighbor who is
a brickmason just did a similar remodel for Pasco County government on one of their utility buildings where he took out a window put in a new lenel to expand that to put in a door. Remodeling cement block homes is not unheard of.
Thank you. Thank you. And that is all the signups I have. By show of hands, anyone else that can speak? Okay, seeing no one, I'll bring it back. Comments from city manager. Pass Mr. Compton for his comments. Good evening. Thank you. Um, so tonight, you
know, on the agenda, we have uh our utility and public works uh director, Daryl Rose. So, as I'm going through these, if you want to bring up his presentation, that would be appreciated.
Um uh first uh I was looking to get uh some direction from council quick. Um as you may be aware uh the city does it historically has allowed um pool filling waiverss um for people to come in and
fill pools and we discount some of the the sewer off that right. Well, it may surprise you to find out, maybe not, but uh there is no uh legislative support for that action the city's been taking.
Um and so as we're going through looking at the different codes, we want to clean this up and and so to be able to do that, there's going to be two pieces that we need to do. one is on the ordinance side. We need to actually put in there the ability for the city to
have a policy to allow that that waiver. Um then the second piece is actually allow or is adopting what that policy is. And I think one of one of the concerns I have is without having direction from council on this staff is
just kind of winging it. And um you know from the standpoint of of making sure that the right thing gets done all the time having a policy in place that's adopted by council that we can then you know publicize to the public so they can see what's going on what to expect would
be very helpful. So if it's okay because only council can direct city attorney to create the the ordinances um if I get a consensus to allow the city attorney to go forward and create the uh changes to
the ordinance um and we'll bring forward for forward both the ordinance as well as the policy that we'd be asking later on. Okay. So by consensus is there any objections to that? Okay. Thank you. Along those same lines, um, as you
may be aware, uh, Holiday Mobile Home Park, which is, uh, there off of Limit Drive in the city, uh, was, uh, tremendously damaged during the, uh, hurricanes. Um, and we've still been going through this long process to, uh,
address the, uh, damage that was done to those properties. And from the standpoint of the building official, all those uh mobile homes have been substantially damaged and be removed. Um, however, there's not been a lot of
cooperation and um being able to notice the owners of the mobile homes has been a little bit challenging. Um, unfortunately, the owner hasn't been forthcoming with ownership information as well. Uh so what we would like to do
is actually take the uh owner of that property to court through a bill of discovery to effectively force them to provide us the information for the ownership of all those mobile homes. Um again something that the the city attorney needs direction from uh the
council. So, a consensus for her to move forward with filing that bill discovery so we can get that information so we can try to get this this issue taken care of. And I'll turn it over to uh Myers if she would like to address it. I think you covered it um pretty
well. Um for kind of a background for mobile home parks, the law does not allow the city to um for instance go to the mobile home park owner and say, "Hey, you're on notice. fix these. Hey, you're on notice. You need to demolish these. Hey, you're on notice. You have a code
violation. We have to notice the owner of the structure. That's specific to mobile homes. Um it's an it's a there's preemptions in the in the law about what we can do. So, um we know who owns the park. They don't have any obligation to tell us who owns the individual units.
Um it's been an ongoing issue even well before the storms with code violations. Um so, we're at the point that um letters were sent just to the addresses and hey, please contact us. we think you're substantially damaged. Let's work on this. I don't believe anyone's responded. Um, so the only thing we have
come up with that I've thought of is to file a bill of discovery, which would cost the city some money to file a paperwork. It's a complaint in circuit court that will ask a court and explain to the court why we need this information. Um, and hopefully have the court compel them to give us what information they do have so we can notice the actual owners and move this
process forward. Okay. So, by consensus, is there any objection to that process? Okay. Right. Thank you. Thank you. Um the last thing before I turn it over to Mr. Rose, uh we've had a brief conversation about
a plan moving forward on the dredging uh side. And what we were what I was trying to do is get um the county to come forward and talk to council regarding their uh MBSU program. Um that's not
been too successful from my standpoint. Uh and and I think in the end it probably was going to be a feudal thing anyways because what they're doing is exactly what we can do and we would be in total control over the dredging
process within the city. Um and so I was trying to get through that so I could finally get to bringing forward um a request to engage an engineering firm to start the uh work that needs to be done on dredging within the city. Um, with
that just taking forever and and you know, I have hope that I'll still have individual meetings uh with myself and and the county on this. Um, I think that it's time to move forward with this. If if we're going to do drying, we need to
start doing things today over the next several months so we can get in line to get a permit. Um, and so I just wanted to make sure before I do all the paperwork to bring uh an engineering firm forward for your consideration at the next meeting that you're in line
with that and I have uh the ability to move forward. So like I said, any objection to that? Have some questions. Sure. So what is the cost for this engineering project going to be? Uh well that's that's going
to depend um the estimate they have again from a blind perspective because one of the things going to dictate that final cost is which canals are we talking about you know what are we going to be dredging um the outside number for
the first part of it so the study uh that ne is necessary to do this uh the engineering firm said it was in the range of 90 to $120,000 um I think when all done is going to be at the lower end of that because again we're probably not in the
beginning going to be doing all the canals all 22 canals. Um so the first the first part's going to be a lower number. Um but again I don't know I'm not an engineer. Uh so it could easily be 120,000 as well but I think it's going to be at the lower end. Do we have
money in the budget right now for that? Yeah. council um during the budget process appropriated $200,000 to start this process. Are there canals that are owned by us, the city, and canals that are owned by Pasco County? And if the ones owned by Pasco County, are there canals are they
maintaining those canals like they just started between 19 and the backside of Oldpost? So there's there's three ownership types within the city of canals. They have uh certain canals, very few that are actually owned in
entitled by the city. Uh you have a number of canals mostly uh along uh going into uh Miller's Bayou that are owned and titled by the county and then you have those are in private ownership. So the private ownership are multiple
owners. So the people along the canals uh are the the owners of those. Okay. So this engineering project or the engineering estimate that you're looking at seeking is that going to include all those three things that you mentioned there or is it just one? So what what my
plans were on that is to get the engineer engaged and so before they start going down that road, we have that meeting with the engineering firm um one to kind of explain what the process is going to be so everyone knows what that
process is um and understands what needs to be done. We figure out which which canals and areas we want to dredge and then that gives the direction to the engineering firm. They'll you know produce an S so for us statement of work
and then we'll approve that final number and move forward. I'm sorry to be the one talking but this is important to me. I've got a house on Miller Bay plus I know a lot of people that have houses with canals that are just mucked up and they're terrible. So, is there any possibility that we have some additional
funding or money that we could get from the state that's already in progress? Is there anything out there that you're aware of? Because I I'm just coming up to speed like right now. Um, yeah. So, so there's always that possibility. Um, you know, there's and and so again, as
you start breaking down the different areas that may be drenched, right? you know, you have uh you potentially the county uh they have 589 million dollars that is going to be
thrown out to uh um different areas to be spent through the CDBGR program. That's a possibility. Um we have Army Corps of Engineers um as we're trying to get uh you know certain things associated with the storm surge as well
as well as riverine flooding um on the federal interest list. So we can start looking at that. Um there could be some state funding with that. You know, in the end, our success with getting outside funding is going to be how we go
about um addressing the dredging. For example, um there's a canal, blue quest, blue uh blue point quest that we have an outflow in. So, we're we're gathering storm water through our system out falls through
that and out um to the bite. So that may be a a candidate for some funding outside of the city's coffers to do that because we have US19 that leads into that and and so there may be some
state funding there because the their outfall goes into our drain system. Um but again it's going it's going to depend upon how we go about and putting this together. Um, you know, if we approach it from the standpoint of, uh, you know, water quality, drainage, storm
systems, you know, these are all key ways to get state funding and potential federal funding. Um, if we look at ways to try to uh, you know, manage storm surge and storm water that's going out to uh the, uh, the Gulf, we may have
some federal opportunities. So, they're there. how we go about it is is going to be important. But even beyond that, if we don't have the engineering done and started and do all the things necessary to get to that
permit, we may have money, but we're not anywhere close to dredging. And so this this piece gets us close to that decision that you all are going to have to make. How do we pay for this? Yeah. And and I'm go Dave, we were at a
meeting the other day and they were talking about dredging. Was was that the meeting we were at together? Was that the It was whatever that meeting was we went to where there was the tables all the way around the room. Oh, that was the Tampa Bay Regional
Planning Council. Correct. Yeah. They talked about dredging in that meeting, I believe, and they handed out some flyers and unfortunately it seemed like everybody from Hudson all the way down to Tampa was getting dredged. Right there was Port Richmond. There was nothing being done here. Anybody know
why or that? I mean, I'm brand new into that. I looked at that. I'm like, well, what happened to us? Because city controlled. And so, as part of this discussion with the county, the county has an MSBU program that's up and down the coast of Pasco. Um and so they are they're running that program from a
county perspective. Um we have the opportunity to embark on that, join that program with them and actually this kind of a good segue into comment I made. You mentioned that we can do that same thing ourselves. I think um we absolutely can from a to facilitate whatnot. However,
you know, their program at least the way they've they've um advertised it is they gather all the information for the areas. uh they go through that once they decide what the cost is per resident based on their water frontage and and all that they actually get the service
done they so dredging happens and then 10 years after that they're paying for it so they actually get the product up front now if we did that in house I don't know if that would be the case we probably have to do the same where that money come from I guess would be because they have a lot more yeah they're well
you mean the the upfront money probably be a bond the bond Gotcha. Yeah. I mean, it could be done. That's not a big deal. Okay. So, that that would be one part of it to be Let's have We'd have to float a bond or something to do. I just don't want to see something happen and all of a sudden everybody else gets dredged and we're
sitting here in the same pile of muck, you know, and I'll bring this up because it's the hot topic at the moment. Um, you know, Mr. Cppler is moving on to a new position in Connecticut and so he's going to be leaving here in 45 days. Who where's the handoff of this? Because what we don't need to do is have this
thing hit the shoe box again and not be brought up for a while. Where's that at? Yeah. So, obviously there'll be a lot of handoff going on between that project as well as others. So, that's that's after after Daryl speaks, I'll bring that piece up. Awesome. Thank you. One other
question I had there there was a lot of work done uh measuring the canals, how deep, what kind of debris was in there, uh and potentially a engineering firm that's local. I can't
recall the name, but was the intent to try to re-engage them and and dust off the old work and work from those documents because a lot of that heavy lifting's already been done. I can't believe anything else is different other than there's probably more debris in
these cans. um the length and width and and the previous depth from you know five or six years ago is evident in those documents and I think you've shared I I mean I've got them um a disc called Taylor
Engineering yeah yeah I think the problem with those so old they're not that old you know so the answer to your first question is no I wasn't working I wouldn't be bringing board them
Um second answer is I don't know if if we can fully rely upon what they've done but I think it's a basis and it should reduce the overall cost for what needs to be done. So I I I'm not going to say that it's going to save us a lot of
money because I don't know. I haven't sat down with the engineering firm yet to say what's what's the cost going to be because to them the bigger issue really is you got to define what the scope is going to be the scope of the work right and then you go for the permit right to to accommodate the work
and I believe from what I heard in the past they were going to dredge six feet down and maybe that doesn't need to be done maybe you know just remove the debris right and that's that's I think you know the difference in what what they were they were looking at a
different project altogether than what I think ultimately we're going to be doing. And so, you know, there there may be some pieces of what that engineering firm did that will be usable that'll save time in what they have to do, but I
still think they're going to be doing quite a bit of the the update work that um I believe we sent out. Do we send out what the county had sent me to council or just to Yeah, the document I thought I forwarded to
you from the county to send out. I know it was going out to the uh coastal restoration committee, but did that go out to I'll check on that. I don't recall. I'll check on that. I'll send that out. So, um the county provided me the the study that is the basis for
their uh dredging in both uh um north and south of us. That's a golf. Yeah. And so that's that's effectively what the first step is going to be is the creation of that study. It's going to have a lot of that information in it. Um
so that's that's going to be the the first step. Uh I I think that you know in my mind the two the two best engineering firms to go with is either who the countyy's using right now because they're engaged in and around us
or um Stantech which is a company that that we've used on other other projects. both companies we'd be able to piggyback uh county contracts obviously Pasco County with the engineer they're using um and Stantech uh because they're
actually working right now with Fernando County and doing the same thing um and they've done a number of other uh cities to uh in Penllis County and Hillsboro as well. I think it's it's a natural one of those two to be uh the choice. And
again, my work between now and before we get the council packet out to all of you is to kind of look at both of those and make an evaluation which one would be best to bring forward. So this $und00,000 engineering exercise that's just kind
an exercise requirement a requirement, right? But it's it's the I guess what's entailed in that is is um scoping that work. Yeah. And then explain I mean it effectively is is the document that'll lead to the purchase. Okay.
Okay. So back to by consensus saying objections of questions. Quick question. What Dave brought up previous document that was done five years ago. Is there sorry I made used to it. The thing that Dave brought up where five years ago we did some measurements. We know
where the bottom is and we know how much stuff it just may be more stuff. Isn't that something we could weave into this to lower our cost altogether by saying, "Hey, here's the stuff we have for this so we don't have to go back out and reme-measure the stick in the middle of every place." Yeah, there's there's going, as I said, there's going to be some some pieces of th you know, that
work that is going to reduce the overall cost to what we're going to be doing. And I just I can't I can't tell you it today because the bigger issue is going to be which which canals are we going to do? That's going to drive more of the cost than the work was done because
again there there was differing amounts of work done back then. You know, there was there were a number of canals and and channels that you were going to do and then there were the rest
and and so there was work done on all but not to the same degree and the storms would change. Yeah. From from five years the storms would change. You're five years further on so more silk build up and all that. So yeah, the estimates of what what the removal
pieces are going to be different certain And I think they'll probably take that work, right? No look at it and touch up, but at the end of the day, it's it's old. It's may not be the same engineering firm, right? So, if you think about it from a new engineer coming in or you're going to use somebody else's work without exactly
this just being real here, this, you know, you're probably they do it all the time on surveys and and all kinds of things. It's not like it's not valid. That's what this is. A survey of these canals are only good for six months. What's that? Surveys are only good for six months. Survey on a property. Yep.
If you go to a building department, they want a current survey when you go to pull permit. Well, I I I don't know if I 100% agree with that because I've done all kinds of building report. Things change, things shift, and and that was so long ago, I doubt if they're going to be able to use I mean, they may look
shift a lot more than land. I don't disagree. Best case, they'll be able to use them as they were. That's what I'm hoping for. Yeah, let's let's maintain that hope for sure. Hopefully that will help a little bit. Thank you.
So, like I said, am I object? No, no, we're good. And I'll bring that forward for the next meeting. Okay. Um, at this point, I'm going to turn it over to Mr. Rose for his presentation and the five minutes that we're a
loting less. [Music] Production, I guess. You guys know I'm the utilities public works director. Obviously all the waterways, water roads, water plants, parks, everything beautifification around the city. So
um this organizational chart um Adam is over our uh utilities. We have six guys. They do uh water and waste water. So, they do all your brakes, your locates, your service requests, any complaints that come in um that's not smell or
water quality related. Um we have our public works department. They're the ones that do all the parks, fill your potholes, change your signs, um any complaints that come in with the beautifification part of it. Um
we have one guy dedicated to parks. Um he cleans and trashes out all the parks. So, um you'll see him going around and he cuts them. He gets backed up. Other guys help out. We have two water plan operators. That's where your
um water quality complaints would come in for your smell, your discoloration, and they're out taking samples, make sure your water's safe to drink, go down to the system. Um we have two storm water guys. Uh
they do your MS4 reporting. They trash out the swailes when um they need it. Um they clean them, they cut them, they replace the pipes that need to be replaced. That's pretty much our crew in the back. Um all bunch of hard
workers. Just for clear case, the two storm water people, those are those are new positions, right? Because I think we used to I know we hired at least one of them. Yeah. So one was for storm water, one was for public works because the storm water um person was under public
works. So he had to help with the parks and stuff like that. So in order for us to have a storm water department, we had to branch off and make our own department. So this year this year we dedicated two positions through the storm water uh utility for Yeah. So, I
wanted to point that out because obviously we we had a rate adjustment for storm water and this was the the byproduct of that to keep some, you know, two people full-time on those those storm drains and all that to make sure that that's better functioning. So, and we'll get into work.
So, we have a work order system. We have Black Mountain through utilities. We have eye works through public works. Um, our utilities, these are all work orders based from October 2024 till when I made the PowerPoint two weeks ago. Uh,
utilities, we've done almost 1,600 work orders uh since October. that goes from meter box replacements, leaks, meter change outs, um uh new uh new connections, which we get uh
commercial properties and renters, launch irrigation, um lift station, war borders, steward backups, all that stuff. So, it's broke down there. And then our public works, we've done about about 600 or so um since works has
been been around. Um, this is tree trimming, potholes, uh, trash that gets called out, people just dump around the city, we got to go pick that up. Um, and any any complaints you guys put on the system that goes through our works, that goes through public works. Public
works handles it. Um, it comes to me, but some stuff goes utility, but most of it is uh is public works. So, okay. Um, just an observation. I noticed in both of these charts, and I'm a chart guy,
uh, we got 29% miscellaneous in the first and 42% miscellaneous in the second. Those are the largest components. My suggestion would be to try to break that down more if possible. So, if I put the miscellaneous stuff in this,
um, it would be everything would be a lot smaller. So, the miscellaneous stuff for utilities is your uh vacant meter status. Those are ones where we pulled the meter. We just want to make sure nobody is out there stealing water or it's the meter's just been pulled. We don't want to make sure there's no leaks
or nothing. We probably have we do those every twice. We do them twice a year, so every six months. And they're about 300 and something a piece and and they vary. Um, the other miscellaneous is your bathtubs, your uh just calls of
people saying there's water in the road, we go investigate it, there's no leak there. That's kind of where your miscellaneous stuff falls into. Um, your more important stuff is what is what we have. Um, but I guess my concern is when the miscellaneous is the largest item,
then maybe we need to break it down some more because there's something there. It's the majority of the items. It's just an observation or you just have a lot of miscellaneous stuff, I guess. Well, and and the fact and the fact that you mentioned you had 1,600 whatever,
you know, those numbers also would be relevant in here. You know, if you know, if you're trying to manage the workload and you got 1,600 things, that's a lot of things. And it emphasizes, hey, maybe we don't have
enough people doing this lot of things, right? Mhm. Well, it's just an observation, but appreciate it. And you see the backflow testing on there. We do uh do backflow testing within the city and uh we have a guy dedicated to it when the backflow season comes and we do
uh we do generate revenue from that. Is uh going to the the 13% on the the meter ch I'm sorry, the 10% meter change out. No, the meter change out. It's the 13%. Okay, 13%. I know we've we've been having some
issues with meters specifically. So, is that arbitrarily high because of the situation we've kind of been in? Yeah. So, that that includes uh meters not registering um ones we actually have to go manually read. We've changed those out so we don't have to manually go out and read them and take the time to go
read them anymore. They come over through our census program like we're supposed to. We changed out probably uh about 200 meters. So, I guess that that should be shrunk down a little bit. Yeah. Going forward. Go going forward. It should be shrunk
down. Yes. Because we just added the new budget line item for the meter equipment. Um, so we and we pretty much went through that already. Sure. I should say should be that. That seems better. Thanks. Oh,
yeah. Go ahead. I I want to make sure that this may be not the best time for it, but I'm going to say it. You know, um Darl, just from my perspective, because I've been running these roads, every single road that you run, like for the past month and a half, like meet and greet and all stuff, we've gone from
being a city of trash to being a city that's much cleaner. There's a lot more room that we have to go with that, though. And I've seen that. Um and talked to the residents knocking on the doors. are like, "Can we please clean up these trashy streets because it looks like a third world country." You've done
a lot. Thank you. And I mean, you've been a rockstar thing. I really mean that. You have. We have a lot more to go. So, if there's anything that we can do as a council to help facilitate that because there's homeowners that want to get together out there on weekends, go out and pick up trash. You know, how do we facilitate that? Obviously, through a
city manager um is how we would do that. But I don't think, you know, I have seen your guys picking up trash in the ditches by themselves. So, thank you for that. I really mean that. We have a long way to go. Yeah. And I think that if we're gonna get resident recognition for taking care of this city, the first thing we can do is pick up the sting of
trash. Yeah. All right. We um I think it was probably like,00 lbs of trash we picked up just out of the soils last year alone. That's not including the storm. So it's ongoing battle for sure. That is something that the CIC did for a
while. CIC would go out and do that on the weekends and pick up. Actually, we had a CAC clean up down Bay Boulevard and only I think only four of us showed up. Maybe five. Maybe five. Yeah. But we
cleaned up Bay Boulevard and I about a month later than the hurricane and put it all right back out there. I couldn't hardly believe it. We went all the way down Bay F Boulevard and all the way down Old F. They used to hit the parks and and Yeah. So that was
that was a good thing. Matt, with your experience, I think that's a great idea. I I think we probably need to kick that off again with as a CAC item to maybe try to get Matt with your experience. Have you ever dealt with adopt a highway or adopt a road or any of those things before? Because I mean there's not that
many roads and if you got like a business or Ocean Honda say okay we'll get this road or whatever other business will get this road. You know that would be something that we would have to kind just that would be their responsibility to go out and take care of it. You know is that possible Matt? How do you how do you initiate that? How do you get legs
on that? Um, we just start putting it together and putting it out to the the the public to come in and adopt it. We just have to identify the roads and put them out there. Areas has everybody on council for that? I mean, I think that's something we should start almost immediately. Yeah. So, in other words,
you put out Port Richie is looking for has an adopter road program. Any any partakers that want to do that. So Ocean Honda would come up for example and pick Bay Boulevard and they would be policing
Bay Boulevard on a monthly basis I guess right sent some of their crew from their employees want to volunteer and do that. Yeah we'd have to have signage that identifies that. And with that, you usually have requirements for the people
that want to do that adoption, right? That they do have to on a, you know, for a 12-month period, they have to once a month go out do some type of Now, is there a fee? Do they do they pay a fee to do that for the sign or is that something the city sponsors because they're going to clean it up? Typically
the city's role with that. Yeah. And then then the city provides um from from what I've read about it, the city provides the trash bags, picker uper, the maybe vest, I mean all kinds of things. So I mean you really got to look into Yeah. all the because there's details. I think I'd like to make that
motion. Yeah. By consensus, is there any objections to looking at that? No. I don't want to look at it. I want to do it. Well, you look into it first. See what And then we got to adopt something, right? I mean, we make official policy. What's that? You got to do the research.
I'm going to be your worst enemy right now. We have to slow it down. Look into it. Figure out. I'm sitting here worrying about liability. Boom. We're putting people on the road. I mean, there's a thousand communities nationwide that take up the risk. So, we can't we can't be automatically saying there's going to be a problem in Ohio. No, I didn't say that, but we need to
understand that. We need to say there might be a liability here. Here's our exposure. Do we as a do you as a council want to do that? I just don't want bring it back to you and give you that. Give me one second, please, Nancy. I just don't want to constantly stonewall things need to get legs on, get going because of liability
purposes because everybody's got liability every day. That's going to be your decision. Bright yellow jackets we need to get for volunteers working outside roads all like that. No, we could get, you know, get them. They come and check them out from the city and return them on Monday.
Matt say he's got experience doing this. So, I think we got to get some legs uns I think I think he can move fairly quickly. we obviously got to do due diligence. But but to that point, I think what you're what she's talking about is addressing, all right, you're going to sign up for this road and you
got to sign the paperwork to indicate, hey, you're all bets are off. If you guys get hurt out there, it's on you. You know, realize that you're taking the risk upon you, not the city, right? They're not forcing you to do this. Okay. No, I think that's great idea.
So, if I can just understand. So, we come up with this fantastic idea. And Nancy, please understand we're getting to know each other. So, this will be one of those opportunities. Absolutely. So, we come up with this great idea. We're like, well, we're going to look into it. Where does that go? What file cabinet does that? We're going to look into it. What
I want to know because if we're going to get in here and we're going to get something done, we need to actually put legs on these things and get them to run. We can't say we're going to look into it and then and I brought it up before we have a new city manager and it's like in the bottom of the desk drawer. It's not we're not looking into anything. It was a thought or an idea that we sat here and we kind of waste
each other's time to Right. So So one way we track that obviously is old business. So obviously we we've gave them marching orders to go forth and and and put a policy together whatever we should some point in the future they would come back to us with that recommendation and we move on. So this
is the putting the shoes on so that we can start the walk process. Okay. So but they didn't get dropped. I mean this is we've we by consensus we've just corrected staff to move forward with that. Does that count? Yeah, there's already language about adopter tree and
adopted road program on the city website. Might be able to leverage that. Why I think we we need to do is just review the agreement and the guidelines that's already in there. have Nancy look at it because it's it's been there for a very long, you know, for for a while. So, there is language already written. So, I think what we can do is just go
ahead and review that, see if there anything needs to be updated and then move forward with it. Language already on the website. Yeah. And then maybe advertise a little bit about that. Say, "Hey, city's looking for uh businesses that'll step up and adopt a road, adopt
a tree or whatever." Yeah. and and I think CAC would be a good place to park some of that effort. They could contact businesses. We can contact businesses. They can contact. We held a whole list of business licenses that we
could send that out in in the mailer, too. So, great idea. Okay. Where were we? We're in the presentation presentation. We We got off track there a little bit. page four. Yeah. Yeah,
we're back. [Music] Um, so this is just something our water plant operators do. Um, so we take uh 62 samples uh quarterly. So this is um just test for any bacteria in the water. Um
so when you guys hear that, you know, you guys here do go to blood that water is not safe, it is safe. Otherwise, we would let everybody know that it's not safe. Um the samples get sent off to Pasco, tested um and and it's done
throughout the city uh in random spots. So it's not just done in one spot and that's it. It's done up north, south, east, and west. So um so we have those we have the interconnects with Newport Richie. Um we've actually done really well. We
haven't purchased any water yet since the storms. So, we've been uh very pretty self-sufficient with ourselves. So, it's all it's all our water. Um our water quality calls are low, which is
good. Um so, we've only had nine of those. So, water guys been doing pretty good. Um as you can see what we've upgraded, uh what we've done at the plant this year. Uh keep it running. Hopefully, um this grant goes through with the new water plant. So, um, get
everything brand new back there. Okay. Yep. To the to the fact that the water quality is good. I've got a friend of mine that was over at his house and he says, "You know, I haven't been changing my filter as often because I haven't had
to. In the past, he put a new filter on, it'd be black in a day." And now he's gone a month and he showed it to me and it looks pretty good. So to that end, you are getting some benefit and some traction there cleaning the water up. I
appreciate that. Um mo a majority of our water complaints are um as you know, a lot of these houses are older. So they have galvanized lines going from the meter box of the house. Any air it rattles that stuff loose. They have filters. It's going to turn their filters red just because of that
galvanized and that uh corrosion inside the pipe. Right. Um, our stuff from the main to the meter is not. We're getting we're in the middle of changing that out. That's what our letting copy programs for. Uh, but just so so you guys are aware of of that as
well. When the red water complaints come, most of the time it's do what's on the customer side. And we've added some auto flushers and correct some stuff at the end of the line. We've looped in. Yeah, we've added three of them. We tied some lines in so there's not a lot of stagnant water just sitting there. Correct. Yeah. Couple other items. Do we
add fluoride in our water? No. Okay, good. And then this period of of inspection that you got here, what was the length of time this was? The 62 was this in the last since the fiscal year or just from January to now? So,
uh, the water plant season starts in January. Um, and it's every and it goes all the way December 31st. every month um or every year we have to take certain type of samples every every quarter. Uh our nitrates and nitrites come at the
end of the year. We have our THMs that we have to sample for. And the other other thing I looked on our website and I cannot find any current water reports out there. We are working on our CCR right now.
Okay. I think the last I saw was 2023. Yep. So on 2024 right now okay yep um that's due uh June. Okay. So and our percentage is still down for water loss. So we're good. Everything's good with
that. So All right. Thank you. Next one. Uh this is just a little fact sheet what we did for Helina Milton. Um, we picked up
uh 2500 cubic yards of home debris. Uh, just city workers alone. That's not including the companies that were in here. That's just us as city workers alone. Um, and then we did about a thousand of uh brush, not including our monthly that
we do. This was just from that was from Milton. Um, and then we had our 13 lift stations go down due to Helen. They're all back up and running and repaired, so everything's good to go. Can I ask you a question, Darl? I noticed outside of outside of my house in Harbor Point
there, right after the flood, they were there right away. When the lift station panel gets zapped because salt water encases the whole thing, does it quit pumping poop? Yeah, it does. So, so right then we're all flushing our toilets and it's just slowly rising. You're trying to beat it to the top by
getting it fixed. Is there a way to bypass that and just make it pump? Yeah. Um this so each uh one has generator receptacles on the side of them. Okay. But they all got fried as well. So the whole station so even us bringing a portable generator there plugging it in.
So what did you do to keep ahead of the stuff? So what we did is we um stuffed all the stations from uh that was highest up all everything on I'll use the west side for example because that's where everything was. Um everything
pumps the vapor on. So what I did was we pumped everything to the floor, dumped it all the vape because Bay Boulevard was still working. All the other stations were fried. So I was once we got them all, pumped down to the floor. Um I was able to use our system as a
holding tank for 12 hours. Then so everybody can go home, rest. After those 12 hours hit, we came back in the next day, pumped it all back down. Uh then we had 12 hours again. So during the normal hours, during those 12 hours, we were able to replace some parts to get some
of these at least one pump working on hand. So I had guys just every morning they would come in, they flip it on hand, pump to the floor, and keep going and then until we're able to replace them. I mean, I just got to say we are so blessed to have you at that time in that position because it could have been
a lot worse. Get out of the stuff in the streets, you know. So thank you so much for that. I mean that we got funding for the new for lift stations. We received funding for three three lift station generators, right? Three
generator lift stations. Four four. We have four. The unfortunate piece though is that they're not being elevated. So that was my next question. Yeah. and and so we have uh a request in
through appropriations at state to actually do an elevation of three lift stations. Yeah, we may be able to get four done for that, but three definitely we get that funding. We also have uh we're flooding flooding the court on this one.
Um so we have that in we're making a request through FEMA um to do the same thing. Uh we also have a request one of the requests in to Army Corps of Engineers um is to lift a number of the lift stations out of the
flood as well. So we we're trying to cover this from as many different directions and hopefully hopefully get lucky in one of them. Yeah. Well, thanks Darl. Yep. Thank you. You're good.
Uh this the last one. um this just each department where you know where we want to little projects where we want to head this upcoming year. So but that's the uh end of it if you guys real quick just give an update
because I you know although we're still through all the uh loan documents and grant for uh the water treatment plant the the engineering firm is moving forward with the the plant design. Yes. So, and and so if you just give an update where that stands. So, I met with
them last week. Um I'm getting them plans over for the electrical for um the water plant. They're bringing in a pilot machine which is going to run 22 gallons a minute for 3 months every day and all day. And what that's going to do is give
them uh what type of what type of treatment we need. So, it's going to run through this big pilot system, pump out, and that's how the engineers going to get all the design. So, it's part of the uh the design process. They are dropping that off basically a miniature miniature
version of what ultimately we're we're gonna get. Many water. Yeah, that's exciting. So, they are moving forward with it. Um I think we got a meeting. They sent out a request. They want meeting I think like next week or something. So, no more bagging iron.
Uh, we'll still have the the filters back there for the iron, but they won't have to go through the through the flushing process anymore. We're not going to be able to get rid of the iron being, but it'll we won't have to put it through the bags anymore. The RO
system, it almost be 99.9% pure. So, [Music] thank you, Darl. Good job. Thank you. The uh the last item um I wanted, you
know, obviously I I am going to be leaving now in less than 45 days. Um I want to get you thinking about the process to fill the position. Um because there's things that we can start working on in terms of notifying search firms.
Um working on potentially getting in if you so desire, but we need direction. So I was I was going to suggest that um we amend the agenda to put uh at the end of the council business item number seven would be city manager transition discussion and then we change discussion
business to item number eight. I have a motion that's my motion second. Okay any further discussion any public comment the vote all in favor signify by saying I opposed. Okay motion carries. That's all I had. Thank you. Thanks sir.
Okay, next up is comments from boards committees. Other than mine, is there any other boards committees? Oh, see Carl, welcome Carl. There wasn't a sign up. I didn't have a sign up, but I know uh Carl Roth, 8031
Island Drive. I'm here tonight on behalf of the 2125 uh resiliency and restoration committee. Um this is our first update. Uh we've been making progress after a few initial teething pains. Uh tonight we wanted to submit a couple of uh recommendations that uh we
have. Uh one of the topics that we've been dealing with over several meetings was around evacuation routes for residents and emergency responders uh giving them access. Uh this was viewed as a priority from a safety perspective and two areas that we looked at was uh
Bay Boulevard primarily east of Old Post Road and Sunset Boulevard on the south side of the Cody. Uh Sunset Boulevard uh road elevations, drainage and proximity to the Cody River were discussed in an attempt to develop some workable solutions. Uh for the committee's
purposes, an elevation increase to the road of 1 foot8 in to minimize effects of blue sky flooding, address nominal Gulf wind influences, and handle estimated sea level changes to 2040 framed our discourse. Given the
significant grade change required, adverse impacts to residential driveway access and uh close proximity of the road to some homes, the committee realized that it did not have the expertise to develop what we believed were practical solutions. In other
meetings, we had familiarized ourselves with the Cody River and that the US Army Corps of Engineers were responsible for it. Additionally, we learned they have initiatives to engineer with nature future projects versus their traditional gray only approaches used in the past. Consequently, the committee is
recommending to council that um the city reach out to the Jacksonville district for their assistance and how the city can be better protected from the river and Gulf for the future. We believe that they will have the expertise to propose
solutions that address our flooding concerns and maintain the federal waterways in the most pragmatic way possible. Um this was uh a lot of back and forth on our part. Um we think that leveraging the Army Corps because of the federal channel makes sense to offset
some costs. It's just a matter of going forward. But as we got into looking at everything on the roads, when it involved raising it up, that was a problem that created more problems and created other problems. So, we came out of our wheelhouse pretty quick. So, uh,
hence that recommendation going forward and then we can get them engaged. Um, as far as the, uh, Bay Boulevard, we're supposed to be doing some resurfacing on that. So we just tabled that aspect of uh uh any of our future work on the on
the roadside at least at this point in time. The second area was uh to provide a sea level rise planning table that could be used by the city to consider the long-term sustained effects on sea level rise on real property quality of life and perhaps more importantly to
sustain economic growth. uh the state of Florida is advising its communities to utilize this type of information for evaluating any future infrastructure and capital investments. So if the city is looking to raise lift stations, if the city is looking to buy
fire trucks, if the city is trying to do anything from a capital pro standpoint and that pro program is supposed to last for 10 years, 20 years, 30 years, we should be considering this in our decision-making process. So, um, I'd asked, uh, Miss Mcdana to provide some
copies. Do we have those? Yes. I just wanted I didn't pass them out. I didn't know if you guys wanted to enter them into the record before I pass them out or if it's okay if I just pass. Yeah. Yeah. Can we get a motion accept? Second. Get a motion second. Any
discussion, public comment? See, bring vote. All in favor signify by saying I. I oppose. Motion carries. Back in 2020 when we framed to council the needs to uh move forward in this area. We had provided some information
that talked about how the city has evolved over time. Uh and basically some of the early parts of the city were developed in about 1925 and then over the years uh most mostly in the '
50s60s7s 80s and 90s additional growth had uh taken place. So on page two, we had put together a document that kind of showed if a development like Harbor Point was put in in the '9s, they've
seen about, we estimated 3.8 in of sea level rise since that time. Uh if you look at the area south of the river on Sunset Boulevard in 1925, about 8 and a half inches was what we estimated at
that time. that was based on information that we got from uh St. Petersburg that had the longest history of of data. So we put this together. So five years ago uh we learned we knew something but we
know a little bit more today. So page three is a revised look at that based on what we know today. And generally what is being discussed is that sea level rise is occurring at a greater rate, a
faster rate, an increasing rate than it has in the past. So what we did was we brought that forward to 2024. And like Harbor Point, we're showing almost 6 in rise occurred since the '9s versus what we had estimated. So
on this sheet anywhere we underestimated in 2020 anywhere from about an inch to three and a half inches. So just for context for the for the council. Um so we wanted to provide you that. But more importantly Tampa Bay Regional Planning
Council has put together information. They retained a um group that's called the Tampa Bay Climate Science Advisory Panel. It's made up of uh univer people from University of South Florida, Tampa Bay Regional Planning, a lot of the
governmental entities. So I think their intent was to say we need to put something together for the Tampa Bay region. So if Port Richie doesn't does do something that they don't mess up with Newport Richie so we all look at it the same way because you have more money
in Port Richie means you can build a Taj Mahal. They didn't want that to happen. So their objective here was to have the communities put something in place that they could use for these capital projects so on and so forth. So um what
we did was uh put together something and Tampa Bay uh the planning council they start everything in the year 2000. That's when they said okay that's zero. So from 2000
on that translates to x amount of millimeters or inches or whatever metric you want to be able to use. So this table here uh they uh they looked at three different scenarios. A low scenario, a middle scenario, and a high scenario. They're recommending everybody
use the intermediate scenario which is what we articulated here. Uh so the other thing is is that uh St. Petersburg formed the basis. However, Clearwater is an is a nearer station to us and it's on
the coast. They've done a substantial amount of effort. We've hired a new gentleman here. We've all done resiliency from the CRA. Um and basically Clearwater's numbers are more aggressive than St.
Petersburg's numbers. So, for example, St. Petersburg since 1947 has been increasing about 3ome millimeters a year. Clearwater contr has been increasing about 4.4 millimeters per year. So what we did
in this table was we leveraged clear water's information as our basis because of that difference and we're on the coast versus St. Petersburg in the bay and water levels are not the same everywhere no matter what you think but we won't go into that today. So for our
purposes leveraging clear water uh starting out at zero in 2000 by 2070 which was our target on the committee the recommendations are to consider that we could see as much as 2.6 ft more
water over sea level by that time. And what we did is we put it down to uh 2024 and then breaking it forward every 10 years. The numbers that Tampa Bay Regional Planning Council is suggesting are the ones on 2030, 40, 50, 60, and
70. And what we did on this table is to kind of show you the change that's occurring from an increasing level over the years. So historically was the poor 4.38, most recently 8.9, and then it
increases as you as you can see. Um now the big challenge that folks have and I received counsel on this is that okay so sea level is this well what does that mean to my finished floor elevation is 10 ft okay so where's sea level all
right so mean sea level is zero okay your surveying marks are a little bit higher than that so zero from a surveying standpoint is about 0.15 5 in above that. All right. So, uh, when
you're looking at an elevation of a lift station or a water station, you need to do that conversion. So, the difference is 0.15. That's on here. I put it on the table. Um, so the other main thing here
that wanted to show is that mean high water is 3.18. So what that means is that on a normal high tide, a normal high tide, we see about 1.4 feet of flooding generally occurring. Okay? So
that happens as a matter of course. So when people talk about Sunset Boulevard seeing flooding on a blue sky day, that's what we're talking about. So, we wanted to provide this to you as a reference point for your efforts and
things that you do going forward. It's harmonized with Tampa Bay Regional Planning and u the folks that put it together put it together in an attempt to maintain consistency the different communities. So, if you talk to any of your counterparts in Manatee County,
Hillsboro, Penllis, they're all working off the same sheet of music, albeit a little bit different. So any questions? Now why is the 0.15 survey why they do that?
Because sea level and elevations are all based and the elevations are going to change here in the next couple of years because there's going to be a new datim established. But for our purposes, North American vertical datim
1988 is what's being used and that's the zero. So, it's a shell that's drawn everywhere. And it just so happens where we are here with our mean sea level at 1.64 uh at AVD0 is at 1.79. So, it's 0.15
difference. If you talk to your counterpart in Clear Water, it's going to be a little different. Okay. Tampa, it's going to be a little bit. for us based on what Noah says is mean sea level and what NAVD is that's our delta here for practical
purposes it's a nit but something important the other thing here that uh we'll say is that our numbers you're going to see a jump from 2024 to 2030 and the reason you see that is that those are actuals the our best guess up
to now but it jumps to 088 eight because that's what north uh the uh Tampa Bay Regional Planning Council says you should consider. All right. So, you've got about 4 in of headroom difference on
that. Okay. As far as where you are versus what they're saying. Uh but that'll harmonize with them. So, if it doesn't change at any different rate, we're a little ahead of the game. You only got about that much headroom. Okay.
Cool. Very good. All right. We'll continue to make progress on our right. Thank you. Appreciate all your hard work, Carl. And and the committee as well, actually. I appreciate all your hard work and the committee. You guys doing good work. Appreciate you. Um, so any other boards
committees? So, I give an update on the uh centennial. We we met today. Um, obviously we just had our fishing tournament. I want to tell just a quick story about that. We we'd had um uh 13 total teams, so it was a really good event. Um but there was a really neat
story that I wanted to share. So there was a individual that actually won the tournament and the top prize was $1,000 and uh his name was uh Nick Nappy. He um it was funny story too as he started day. The reason he came, he actually
came the captain's meeting the night of the fish, night before the fishing tournament, showed up on a whim, uh because his dog had uh cancer and he had to have a surgery to remove something in a chest or whatever. And so he joined a tournament to hopefully get defraid those costs because it was going to be like $700, $800 to do that. So he joined
a tournament that that evening. Um the next day in in a tournament, he he his first fish was just a real little bitty red fish, right? and he probably he's probably thinking, "Wow, this is uh this is not going to be a good day, right?" But he ended up catching the biggest fish of the tournament, 33 and a half inches red fish. And uh so he ended up
winning that that tournament. So really good story. He got his $1,000 so take care of his dog. So it was a really great story. I'm sure it um and as far as the the committee, obviously we've got other events coming up. You've probably seen the signs with
the car show being well advertised. Hope that's going to we we move that to the 10th of May. Um so hope that's going to be a really good event. Um we did end up canceling the golf scramble. There was not enough interest in that. So we've canceled that. Um and uh just a note
that we we're still well within our budget. Um we're still playing the rest of the events. Obviously May is going to be really busy and coming up to the actual centennial event in a part. Still working through that. Um but we do have t-shirts. Um if I could have my wife stand. She's got blue t-shirts on. Just
got to show everybody. So front CF4 Richie Centennial logo and on the back spin around. Oh, on the back it has the uh Oh, here we go. On the back it has all our sponsors and then council members and committee members. So those are $15 and are available in various
sizes. So if you're interested in one of those um please contact uh S or Ashley on the on the administration side. We also have challenge coins now at the mayor's ball event. the challenge coins will be free with with your uh seat at
the table, but if you are going to that, you can purchase those for $10. So, and they're very nice nice challenge coins. Be a good uh souvenir for the centennial. So, that's all I had from the centennial. Uh next up is our cont consent agenda. I need a
motion and or discussion. Motion to approve consent agenda. 20 seconds. and second. I get Lisa with a second. Any further discussion? Any public comment? Seeing none, I bring that for vote. All in
favor signify by saying I. I. Opposed. Motion carries. Uh, next up, council business. Item number two, surplus of impounded vehicles. I will pass it to Mr. CPR for introduction. Yes, it looks like uh we're catching up on uh getting rid of the surplus impounded vehicles.
Um, second time in a row, I think. Uh request is to surplus 10 impounded vehicles have been stored in the impound lot of the police department for 90 days or more. The in registered owners were sent notifications via registered mail and have not responded to retrieve their
vehicles for Richie Police Department will send these vehicles to the Royal Auction Group as is our standard practice. RG will auction these vehicles through their standard process. Okay. Open up for action or discussion.
Uh motion to approve surplus of the impounded vehicles. Second. A motion to second. Any further discussion? Yes. I noticed that these were going to Zephr Hills. I thought they were supposed to go down to St. Pete. Is that the case? They're listed to go to Zephr
Hills, Michael. I'm sorry. It's my understanding that's where they've been going to is Zephra Hills. I I know when they initially brought this forward, I thought St. Pete was the area. Uh, also, um, and I can have this discussion offline. I've got an idea for a better
format that's going to show us how long these things have aged and uh, what we've acred fees and whether we've got any gain or loss on these things. So, it's maybe something to track later on, but we can talk that offline because I want to have
it. Okay. Any discussion? Any public comment? See none, I bring back for a vote. All in favor signify by saying I. I oppose. Motion carries. Next up is item number three, discussion of reimbursement of legal fees requested by
mayor. Pass it to Mr. Copper for introduction. Well, in an effort to speed this meeting along, I'm going to actually turn it over to the city attorney. Okay. Thank you. Um, everyone should have received a memo. Got. Okay, good. Um, kind of outlining um what the
request is and what the process is moving forward. Um there is um it's not the first time this has happened. There is cases on attorney general opinions out there that that address this issue. And as I've outlined in the memo, the um money spent in
attorney's fees in defense of a complaint to the commission on ethics is something that a the mayor is entitled to reimbursement if the council determines that the
um underlying complaint was due to number one he was doing the performance of his official duties and he was serving a public purpose while doing that. So, um, the memo explains what those allegations were. I think you all are familiar with them anyway. Um, but if you feel that those the allegations that were made in the ethics complaint,
um, arise from the mayor's official duties and he is serving a public purpose um, due to the fact that the, um, the ethics challenge failed, he is entitled to reimbursement of the amounts that's been requested. if you find those two things. Um I would recommend as I mentioned in my memo if someone is to
make a motion to please say specifically that you are finding that make those findings and I can answer any questions that you have. Yeah, before I open the floor I'll uh I just wanted to add so I I'll say I'll be abstaining from this vote and I'll need to file a form I think with the clerk. Correct. Um I do
want to apologize to everyone the public. Um the it's very unfortunate that uh I was put through this. um I do my job I take my job very seriously and I I do it with the utmost of integrity and um unfortunately um others didn't
believe that and so they they embarked on this this journey. So I want to apologize first and foremost that uh I even have to come to ask for this. Um but as you know we we don't get paid a whole lot up here and I never would imagine in a in a million years that uh taking this position and and working
hard uh for the public for the city um that something like this would happen. So I would I would definitely not expect to be exposed to any any legal fees out of my own pocket. And u with that I open the floor. I do have some other documentation if we want to have discussion. I'm more than happy to answer questions. Before we move on, I
did fail that I was going to talk about the ethics complaint reimbursement first and then we have the recall which is a different conversation. So this will just be for the um attorney's fees for the ethics complaint which total $2,192.50. Yes. Absolutely. Okay, so I sit on multiple
boards and all those boards that we sit on from time to time things can get a little bit dicey. Okay, you can get into places that are hurt people's feelings. You know, you can say things that people like, well, I'm going to sue you and crazy stuff like this happens all the
time. Sometimes you find people on some of those boards and those people have these vendettas to come after you. I mean, sometimes I've felt in in fear of of of literally of harm to my family because of decisions we made on those boards. And and I'm just the new guy, so
help me out understand this, okay? Why in the world would we not defend the mayor when he's attacked from the outside in a situation like he was? I'm not done. And and if we don't have something in place to do that, why wouldn't the opposing party have to pay
the fees? Why do we, the citizens of our city, if they've been found to be not true, in other words, blame, he was found blameless in this, why are we putting the bill? The law allows the mayor to go after the people that alleged the um ethics complaints against
him. I think the standard is for for him to have been successful, I don't have it, the law in front of me, but it's a high standard he would have to meet like like like very um like a liable standard, slander standard. So it's it's a hard uh fight to fight, but he could have done that. The city doesn't have that
right per law. The mayor would have and there's and there's a time frame and that time frame's passed. So he can't he can't do that. I don't think he would waste his time doing that, but I'm just I mean and we haven't seen this is how many times has this happened in the city? I know one other time before I was here, but it happened. It happen. It's not It's not super common in all the
other cities that we represent, but it does happen. Do we have a form of some kind like some kind of an internal arbitration thing that we could actually go to versus the legal fees that this thing cost? Well, um I've never been asked that question, but so the there arises because
someone's filed a complaint with the Commission on Ethics. It's out of the city's hands. So like someone felt that he did something inappropriate. They filed a complaint with the Commission on Ethics, which is a whole separate entity. They do a review of it. They determined there was probable cause just
based on the allegations to investigate. So then they investigated and then ultimately as you know they found that that what he did they didn't feel violated any of the ethics ethics laws. Um but they went with that investigation. So the mayor could have sat there and done nothing and not and occurred attorney's
fees. Personally I'm glad that he did what he did because if you know they found something something more than they did he would want someone there on his behalf. Did you get any kind of an apology from anybody on this at all? No, you're not required of that. It's not even the requirement. It's just the fact
the guy had spent his name. His name was slandered and dragged through the, you know, the papers and everything else and it was not valid. And and I think I think the obviously a person that's made a complaint could choose to do that should they want to. There's no requirement that they do that. And I unfortunately I think that what the mayor's left with is he can say there
was nothing found and and that's for his piece. If you guys feel that those those two prongs are met, I'd make a motion that regarding the ethics complaint that what he was accused of and ended
up being not a fact that it was during an official duty serving a public purpose. Yes. Recommend reimbursement of $2,192.50. So I recommend the reimbursement of $2,192.50 50 cents because it was it
was all all of those complaints were during an official duty on the dis serving a public purpose. Second. I have a motion to second. Any further discussion? Any public comment? I've got discussion. One second. What about the rest of it? We're going to thank Okay.
Okay. Any other questions? Any public comment? Okay. See none, I bring it back for a vote. Again, I will be abstaining from this vote. So, all in favor signify by saying I. opposed. Motion carries. All right. So, the second part of this is the u monies
spent by the mayor in attorney's fees regarding um related to recall. Those total $1,137.50. Is that right? $1,137.50. Let's make reading fast to make sure. Thought it was 13. I might be
reading the wrong line. Hold on. There was there was a item in there where he build it as recall, but it was actually ethics. And so as he pointed out, yeah, the one that was built incorrectly put in the total and the recall was actually $25 an hour cheaper. So actually was a good deal. So the
amount is $1,137.50. Um so the the law on reimbursement for attorney's fees for a recall is not as clear as it is for um defending yourself in front of the Commission on Ethics. um because the
recall it started we know it was it was announced it was going to happen they collected petitions the first step in that process is petitions are submitted to the clerk which then submits them to supervisor elections and at that point this recall failed because they did not have enough signatures um now within
that time the mayor of course had his attorney connected to the other um issues going on also the attorney and you've received a copy of this started to draft a complaint to file on the mayor's behalf have if the recall were to pass that first stage, they were going to challenge it in circuit court as non-sufficient petition. So, he was
going to initiate litigation. Um, it's very clear had that initiation that litigation been initiated and he had been successful, he would be entitled to fees based on those same two criteria that we just talked about for the ethics complaints. It's not clear because there was no litigation whether he is entitled
to the fees based on those two prompts. I will tell you within my office alone, we have different opinions. All it says is that that um it's it's a possibility. It's out there. So, it's not as clear. I can't clearly tell you absolutely um like I can for the the uh
Commission on Ethics attorney speeches. Now, that hasn't happened here before that I know of that part or recall, but a recall was attempted and he did have to do something to defend to defend himself.
there weren't enough valid signatures. So, it didn't go further. Had there been enough valid signatures. Had there been enough valid signatures, he would had five days to respond, which he would have, his part, needed an attorney to be involved in that process and then it would have gone to a second round of
petitions. It never got that far because there were not enough valid signatures to start with. But once again, the attempt was announced. It happened. It failed. You still had to be ready. in order to defend
himself within five days had that gone through. So, I don't know if anybody's aware of that whole process, but it's complicated. And yes, when it got to that point, he would had to have done something. And if it was me in that position, I would have had an attorney. Yeah. And I and I I will give a little
more color here on that. Um, and I've got I've got a print out of an email. So, this was not in a packet uh because this was a this was a personal conversation with my attorney. Um, and so I I forward this on to Nancy. I was gonna talk to a little bit. Is it Do I need to get motion accepted record or
Okay. Yeah. Can I get a motion to accept this into the record? Even got a motion from second. Okay. Have any uh discussion? Any public comment? See, I put a vote. All in favor signify by saying I. I. I can vote on
this, I guess. Right. Just don't. Oh, okay. I'll stay for this. Well, witness here. Okay. What are we looking at there? So, so hold tight to this for a second. I'm going to reference this in a minute. So,
in in NY's opinion, again, like she said, her her office had conflicting points of view and I think they could see it argued either way. So, what what I would like to point out and I'm going to pull up and she referenced this um Supreme Court uh opinion of Trisha
Thornberg versus City of Fort Walton Beach. And in that opinion, I I'll spare you the the details of all that, but I want to get down to where they talk about um their opinion. And it says, and so you'll see there's there's two parts to this. and one is uh statute right
that requires case to be submitted in court and fought out that way and you've got common law okay and so this reference to the common law and I think that's where the actual ethics portion is is that's what allows me to be um reimbured there I argue here as well
that this is the same thing and based on the same uh Supreme Court opinion it states Florida courts have long recognized that public officials are entitled to legal representation at public expense to defend themselves against litigation arising from the performance of their official duties while serving a public purpose. Several
sightings in there. The purpose of this common law rule is to avoid the chilling effect that a denial of representation might have on public officials in performing their duties properly and diligently. This entitlement to attorney's fees arises independent of statute, ordinance, or charter. For
public officials to be entitled to representation at public expense, the litigation must one arise out of or in connection with the performance of their official duties and two serve a public purpose. Again, just reiterating that in in the case. Um, as you read further down in the case as it describes their
case, um, it also states it does have a decided interest, however, in protecting its officers from untimely and illegal recall petitions. And this is referencing um the the action that was being taken um that that basically the
the government and public does have a decided interest in that process. What do they mean by illegal illegal recall? Yeah, but I'll get to that. So that was made school a friend. All right. Um, so as we go down, it also says if a recall petition is commenced,
and I think this is key key language in the in the opinion, if a recall position is commenced, the public has an interest and the city has a responsibility to ensure that the recall committee follows the proper procedures. For example, that the recall petition is facially correct.
Officials should not have to incur personal expenses to ensure that a recall committee follows the proper procedures. Okay? And so that's all I I'll highlight there. I've got the whole thing if we want to look more. But I think the important part of this um this opinion in my again what I would argue
if a recall petition is convinced now if I if you pull up for a recall statute um let me just refer to that real quick. It's 316. So you're saying part of the import important part of that is that the city had to once started the move
the city had to make sure everything was correct. Right. This is where I'm going to get my email in just a second here. So Florida reco statute. Give me just a second. So, the Florida recall statute 100.361. Um, in the process, uh, there's notice that comes to the city that they're doing the recall. as you go down
and it's um uh 101 100.361 uh [Music] see which filing of signed petitions all signed petition forms shall be filed at the same time no later than 30 days after the date on which the first
signature is obtained on a petition. The person designated as chair of the committee shall file the signed petition forms with auditor clerk of the municipality or charter county or his his or her equivalent here and after referred to as clerk the petition may not be amended after it is filed with the clerk. So my argument is based on
the opinion you know as they were gathering all the signatures right the process really hasn't commenced at that point once they file with the city clerk that process commences. And so from my perspective, and that's why I'm gonna
refer to the the the email to my attorney, and I'll read that for the record. Hi, Mark. As per our conversation, I would like for you to petition the court to issue an injunctive relief, to stop the recall process, review the committee's recall petition as to its legal sufficiency, as well as its devoid of facts, and to have
it thrown out based on the opinion AGO75-119, grounds for recall election, and the case law referenced within. 276 signatures were submitted for verication on 91024 and are currently being verified by the supervisor of elections office. I anticipate that they will achieve the 250 necessary and would like
for you to move forward on this as soon as possible and this is and I want to I want to be clear here. I could have waited and gone through the process. I was confident process would have been defunct in the end. However, um there was a a large campaign. I'm
going to give a little more color here. So these ethics complaints were filed. Okay, that's normally a confidential process. What is a confidential process? However, it's not legally confidential. I could release that been filed or the person filed the complaint can release
it. And what happened is as soon as they were filed, they were released to the media. And so, you know, I was denied due process in that in the in the ethics complaint. Um, and it's interesting in the ethics complaint they they alleged that I potentially violated these
statutes, right? But in their recall documentation, they stated that I violated them. Okay? So they they basically, and this is again my opinion, my opinion is is they wanted to paint the picture to the public that I done something wrong to further their recall process. And so because the total
background of the recall process was the ethics complaints as well. And so again, comp process, they chose to release that to public in stages. It first came out in the first complaint with the building official. Um, and then a couple weeks later, um, they released the one from a
former, uh, Councilman McCclary. And, uh, those were in process. And I think in their mind, again, this is again my opinion, that, uh, they were going to use that to further the recall process. They were going door to door um saying that the mayor's done illegal things, getting these signatures together. Uh
they had this media attention out there that people could read. And you know, when you knock on somebody's door, they didn't pay any attention. Oh, the mayor's doing something illegal. You know, they're probably going to sign. So, it really furthered their effort to get this. And I think I think what their goal was here was to um to get this to actually get me
removed from office and not worry about what the ethics commission decided. the appropriate way to done this was file ethics complaint, let the ethics commission do their job, look into it, and at that point if I was found to be negligent, then start the recall process. That would have been the appropriate process, but that's not what
they had done. So, I going back to my my email, my concern was again, not that I was worried about it going through because I knew it wouldn't, but there's a there's a there's a big responsibility and burden on the city staff and your taxpayer dollars to uh make several
copies of these petitions. Um, and I you can ask S. He spent a weekend in here getting boxes of petitions in a in a patch recall attempt. Since it's a huge administrative effort to facilitate this and I did not want staff to have to go through that and so that's why I engaged the attorney once the process was filed.
It looked like it was going to go through and so I stated um and I'd like for you to move forward on this process soon as possible so that the city can potentially avoid the expense and time of having to prepare the second round of petitions until decision can be made regarding petition. I will forward the
corresponding ethics complaints in a subsequent email to prevent attachment size issues. The ethics complaints still pending review by the commission. Can wait until we see what to what they do, but I wanted you to have them as they align with the recall effort and the allegations being sold to the public and may provide you additional detail for
this case. I've attached the supporting documentation. Please let me know if you have any other needs or questions. And so he immediately um as you'll see in in your packet, he immediately started to file that um petition to the court for and jumped up relief against the recall petition because a couple things it
wasn't legal sufficient to begin with because it was devoid of facts and it is you know denying my due process, right? And so had that had they had gotten the signatures they needed that was going to go to the board immediately to hopefully stop that process. And so that was that
was my that was my rationale for proceeding as I did. So I feel free to answer any questions as well on that. So [Music] motion to reimburse the mayor the remaining money. If you don't mind it's
it's in the memo. If you could if you could language if you could frame your motion that you are finding let me find the language myself that you you're finding that um page says I move to find
ethics of reimbursement in performance of his official duties at two. Start at two. Number one and two. One and two. The performance of of his official duties and to while serving uh a public purpose Thornberg versus city of Fort
Walton Beach. That's that's all you want me to do right there. Well, what why don't you state the motion? Let him give me my make my my words back then. I don't have it memorized. Right. Don't make this hard. I try to make it easy. I wrote it down. So, you know, so once she
states that, you can just so move it and it'll be so moved on Thursday. Okay. Got it. Um, do you find that the uh recall for which Mayor Hoover is seeking reimbursement um rose arose from his official duties
as the mayor while serving a public purpose and is re um was officially abused as mayor for serving a public purpose and you recommend that he be reimbured $1,13750. So moved. Second. Okay. Motion to
second. Any further discussion? Sorry. No. Any public comment? Again, I'm abstaining for this vote as well. So, all in favor signify by saying I I opposed. Motion carries. And again, I I apologize to the
public. I apologize council. Um I'm glad I've put this behind me. And uh I'm anxious to get back and work for the people. I'd like to comment. I mean, there's $3,300, but it's more than that because it's all the time spent, the legal time,
and all it's probably 10 grand is what it cost the city, probably. That's crazy. Which is, as the mayor, some of the um language she read from the case, that's that's a one of the reasons that the courts have said individuals in his situation, should you find that he meets the two prongs of that test, should be
reimbursed because it's not just about him. It's about everyone in the city and the cost and the expense and the time. To me, the success and the the kind of get back on this is your success in that seat. Thank you, John Air Cooper, for your service. People's right to do things like that, but you have to be legally sufficient. If you're not
legally sufficient with what you're doing, then that this is what happens. You end up spending money on things you shouldn't be spending money on. Okay. One thing I will point out, so I have not paid for this yet because my attorney was was was gracious enough to
wait until we could get this counledled. Um I don't know if we need to bend anything that the city will pay them directly. So let it go through my hands. I want to make a motion that the payment can go direct attorney. Okay. Is there a second? Second. Okay. Motion second. Any further
discussion? Any public comment? I'm staying forgot about that. Yeah, I know if we need to do it procedurally, but all in favor signify by saying I opposed. Okay, motion carries. Thank you all. Okay, next up item number four, fire station feasibility study purchase
report or purchase request. I'll pass it to Mr. Coppler for introduction. Thank you. Um, as you all should be aware, uh, our fire department, uh, as it, uh, currently exists has been around for a long time. And unfortunately, time has
not been a friend to, uh, the station. Um, and has now put us in the position where we need to look to, uh, build a new, uh, a new department somewhere, possibly there, somewhere
else. We don't know. Um and because we don't know, we have to do a study to figure that all out. And the first step in figuring that out is doing this uh feasibility study. Uh you consider it to be more of a of a program study of you
know what what is the size that we need? What are the things that are going to be contained within this department? And then obviously where uh this new station needs to be built. Um, fire department staff led by uh, Chief Potocastry has been uh, doing a
lot of due diligence talking to different uh, architectural firms to figure out uh, what what is necessary and what that cost is going to be and today present to uh, city council the firm of Fleshman, Garcia and Masalowski.
Um I'm going to let Do you want to do a little bit of the background why you're uh presenting that? I'll just say really quick that uh we are looking to do a Pback uh work for Pasco County who has the uh
design of a number of stations and will be designing a number of stations over the last few years into the future and felt that believe is top quality and will suffice for the city. Um, as you guys are aware, um, welcome
to the council. As you guys are aware, we, um, about a year ago, um, Mr. Coppler sat down with the then council members that were on the council and put together a list of priorities for the city. Um, the fire station ranked in like the top one or
two priorities for um, the station at that time, which gave us the go-ahhead to say, "Hey, look, we need to start moving forward." We've all known it's a 1960s building uh built in 1960 origin of the police fire station city hall. Um when this city hall was built in 2002,
the police department then moved out and moved inside their own um building where they're at now. We met um and we called around to all neighboring agencies and said, "Hey, you know, fire stations isn't something that's not being done right now." called to Hernando County Fire Rescue, Pasco County Fire,
Hillsboro County Fire Rescue, and call out to all the other organizations said, "Hey, who's your architect? Who are you working with? And can we get their contact information?" Uh, the chief and I met with four to five different architect firms. Um, and going through those architect um firms, um, some of
them really just met us on a phone call and said, "Hey, what are you looking to do and and how you looking to do it?" um all the way up to the gentleman that we have here tonight where they met with us, gave us a presentation on who they are, why they build fire stations, how they build fire stations, how many fire
stations they built, even did a little leg work about the history of our fire station, the histories of properties with inside the city and started looking forward. We were, you know, impressed obviously, but we continued meeting with other ones. um and then went through the process of continuing on their end, the
comment on their end, still saying, "Hey, we found more information. We know you guys talked about this." A few things stuck out um about the company that you have in front of us. Um ironically, they do build for Pasco County Fire Rescue that wasn't um it's a pro, right? Because they're we can see
their work. Um but one of the other things is they have a lot of experience in building fire stations in flooded prone areas. um like our city, they have a lot of experience building fire stations in general. Um and you see in
the packet that they presented to Pasco County. Um they build everywhere from Hillsboro County to Sarasota to St. Petersburg, Penllis County, and they came highly recommended by a lot of the fire chiefs that we've sat down and met with. Um they've also allowed us to go
tour. They've set up meetings with us to go tour how they project manage stuff. how how are they going to follow along in the process with us? Um, all the architect firms that we met with had that opportunity. Um, and they were the only architect firm that took that opportunity to to go ahead and do that.
We even tried leadering some other ones along to say, "Hey, look, are something you're interested in?" Um, once we kind of came down to we know who we wanted to go to, tried to figure out how are we going to get them to come here? Does this have to go out to bid? Does this have to go out anything else? And ironically, Pasco County, as you can see
in their scoring card, um took 11, right? 11 different architects um and graded them themselves and they scored high with them also um on their scoring high level on their on that different side. Um so here we are tonight um in the beginning stages of trying
to figure out what we need as a fire station, right? You guys are going to come to us and say, "Hey, look, do we need a current? Is our fire station size good enough?" Well, we know obviously our bays aren't good enough, right? We we talk about how we have to buy trucks specifically for that bay. We know that.
But this company here with this project management is not only going to look at properties, but also look at what we need as a fire station. Do we need nine bunk rooms? Do we need three bunk rooms? Do we need five bunk rooms? They professionally are going to be able to tell us what it is exactly we need for our community and the future community
needs. That's the big thing right there is the future community needs. We have a lot of projects that you guys have uh ahead of you that we have to consider those. This is going to be a building hopefully that lasts another 50 years inside here. It's a big project. Um they also when we were meeting with them, we
explained to them community input's important to us. Um and would they be willing to to have community input and they were more than willing to to work along the side with community input. You know, it's going to be a obviously it's not going to be an inexpensive project. Um but they're willing to work with us
on that. Um so we're asking permission tonight to begin the process on the feasibility study of the fire station itself um properties and then also um as you read through the memo the additional stuff that comes with that. Thank you.
Um also say that um we some of you guys are new up here and gals but um we we'd had a planning session um as we talked about the budget and um we went around and put uh priorities on things we want to do and overwhelmingly if I remember correctly that new fire station was was
overwhelming uh let's do this. So I would look like I had biased if I said it was number one I believe but thank you for counter it was number one. I'm just not I don't want to There were a lot more firemen in that meeting than there were anybody else running around putting pins on.
Yeah, we are strong arms some said part of this instead of us we started from square one with meeting with the vendors and then as we met into this this particular vendor name kept coming up and kept
coming up and then when we spoke to Pasco County and said that's when we found out they actually went through and they had 11 of them that they actually scored. I know that's 600 pages of paperwork we gave you, but they actually met and they had facilities maintenance, they had uh uh um their truck maintenance team, several staff members,
all um um purchasing OM all met and grilled you all of these engineering firms about what they want, what's expected of them, this and that. They did all of that leg work already and that through the paperwork and the charge, you can see that they're the
ones that came out through flying colors. Um, and they've been building fire stations for them for several years now, I do believe. Right. 12. Yeah. Um, and they're still going. They still got plenty more to do. And the cool part is they're changing and evolving their fire stations constantly. You know, what what
was being built then is not being built now. And, you know, they they've stayed with current times um and cost-saving times. That was another thing that we noticed um about this architect firm was that um you know one of the things there there's different types of evacuation systems to get the smoke out of the bays and they found a way to potentially have
some cost savings on that. Um so you know we were impressed by that too that it's not like oh we need this because it's the most expensive thing that wasn't um their case um when they presented to us. Um I wish I had the packet here but I came from my part-time job. They came their first day with a
packet about this thick of research that they already had did. They were the only architect firm that we met with that did that and no dollars have been spent with them. Just one one more thing. Um you may remember from the budget process we did appropriate $50,000 the penny for
Pasco for this study. So it's a budget expense. Yeah, it's a budget expense we came under for you. Oh, and that was one of the things I was going to comment on because I've commented on every time I see a request is how much is in the
budget, how much is the request, are we saving money or are we going over what we allocated? We are saving 15,000 under. So, I appreciate that. And we're way past due. He said he came from his second job. So, we're obviously saving money on his salary if he has to work
somewhere else. Is that not true? I didn't say that. There there is um before you get too joyous about being $15,000 here comes um there depending upon you know the next phase of this um
one of the possible locations may require uh some structural uh like uh um study of the the ground. Yeah. to make sure. Yeah. There was there was a word in my mind. I couldn't remember what it was, but it's
not that bad. And so, so that type of testing may factor into this as well. Um, but again, I think that number, at least some of the estimates that I've seen for those numbers are are still well below 15,000. So, we won't have any issue. Good to have the cushion. I got a
question for you. So, I just saw the council approve a special firet truck, you know, like the short version. Yeah. Well, yeah. A little bit shorter version. Build this big Taj Mahal to drive. Yeah, but they're need the truck before I'm sorry to interrupt. Yes, sir. They're going to need the truck before they get the station. So, that was
brought up. The the issue was though that, you know, we don't know, you know, this is going to be a large expense, right? Um, we know we need a fire truck. So, we had to build the fire truck to our current base, but that set some pretty strict limitations on us. Um, it also sets future strict limitations on us that we could never ever have an
aerial apparatus at that fire station. Never. Um, and to you guys as taxpayers, that could be concerning if you're talking about putting high-rise structures in. Big of a luck. It might be in there somewhere, but how big of a luck? Actually, so that's what they're want. That's what they're going to tell us. That's exactly what we're paying for. They're You guys must have an idea,
though, don't you? It's not us sending you um the Taj Mahal that we want to build. Um, I know you want five acres, but we we sit out in front of our fire station and the, you know, the DMMA site right in front of it, right? So, we we stare at that. And then when they had came in and did a presentation, we had
mentioned, "All right, well, there's a piece of city owned property. I know we own several different pieces of, you know, of plots of land, but I'm like, there's a piece of property." And I had specifically asked them that question. They're the ones that said, "All right, how many fire trucks do you have? How many boats do you have? How long are
your trailers?" They're the ones that ask me all these questions so they can put that information into their datab. this how many square feet you need. But um the the chances are we will probably have to go twotory. That'll leave the downstairs for all the bay and
flood water run in and out and don't really impact anything and all the living quarters would be up above that. So our goal would be to design something that would probably be twotory and could go anywhere in the city and pull through and pull through. Yeah. And with pull throughs. You don't have to worry about
something that concerns me is you're going to put all the equipment on the bottom. It's going to flood. You know, we we'll move it out of there. Oh, yeah. We wouldn't evacuate it. You guys would move it. Okay. Just like we do now. We I mean, we would have to build it to the same standards that we require residents
to build their homes. So, it's going to be above plus three, right? So, we're we're going to do above that. And I think there's a couple things you need to keep in mind as you look to site the fire department inside the city of Port Richie. Um, you know, one one is there's
there's not a lot of large acres that you can that well, let me there's not a lot of large acreage that is in a service location because again, you know, where where we're at right now kind of services the city well from a time
perspective and so it would make sense to go to an extreme that would then drive up the response calls to other parts of the city. So when you start kind of putting this together, you're probably not going to be a lot further away where from where the fire
department is right now. And again, you start looking, there's not 5 acre lots all around there. Um, and there may not be five acre lots that are attainable at a right price to do this. And and you know the the strategy going forward on
this is you know how do you build what's necessary to service what is needed for the right amount of money for an extended amount of time for the next 100 years right and and so you know I know
that there's a county station iss going in um on probably a constricted impacted lot that is probably costing um 89 million extra to build. They would they would know. You talk about station 19.
Yeah. Yeah. That that you know was in my mind when you have to do eight or nine million dollars more than what's necessary was probably not the right site, right? Um and so you know as they said and and I fall victim to this as well. You know I see across the street I
see acreage enough to to house a two-story building in an urban setting. So, you're going to go up. Um, it'll probably meet the needs and there's already fill there. Now, that's me, not an architect or an engineer saying that.
And, and that's the type of thing that we need, you know, a professional to come in and tell us first off, you know, what is that that size of the building that we need? And then you can start matching it to locations and and there may be a better location. There may be a
location that is available. It costs less. you don't have to do as much site prep as what you'd have to do there. Um, and so when you're looking at the cost, you you try to put all these factors together. And so, you know, at the end, what they'll produce is something to
give you thought about what are those costs going to be and what are the best choices for you to make. Well, these companies go to places that aren't even for sale because they're writing product for our fire department. and ask well I
I well they they wouldn't be doing that we would probably be doing that but but again I think the the first the first thing is to understand what is that size that you're building to because you know obviously if it's going to be you know a footprint of 10,000 square feet I'm just
making numbers up 10,000 square feet you're not going to be looking for a lot that's only 5,000 square feet so we need to get that that piece done first and then the next piece is okay where can that fit You know, honestly, I'm just saying you never know who might sell the
right spot, but you don't know unless you ask. Well, that's your spot. I go ask. Yeah, I'd like to make a motion. To approve the Oh, wait. Hold on one second. I just want to make sure. So,
um, on the agreement, this is to the city of Turkey. On on the agreement, do we need to put in there some language for us negotiate the contract? Yes. The the Yes. the yes because we don't have we're we're need approval to move forward um wanting to piggy back but we still need to negotiate the actual
contract for the city with with the company. So we need that as part of the motion to negotiate the contract. So it's it's a motion to move forward with the piggyback that's what I was going to do here real quick this Yeah. So, uh, motion is going
to be approved the piggyback purchase, uh, con, uh, purchased for the fire station feasibility study conducted by Fleshman Garcia Mesloski not to exceed
$35,000 and uh, authorize city managers to the attorney to negotiate a contract for that agreement. So Lisa moved. Do I got a second? So Bob Bob second. Okay. Any further
discussion? Yes. I think I think we need to really look for another location and there's places outside of the city that above the city that we could easily look at doing that. Why would we want to build on a prime
piece of property that we could probably sell and buy a better piece of property for for this exercise is not No, I know that and again we're we need to figure out what size we need. That's what this is going to we need, you know, like like
chief said, we could need I s we can eat five acres, we can eat two acres, we can eat one acre. We don't know until they the professionals who've done this far more than we have tell us. And and that that's again I you know as I said I I kind of fell into the easy thought
process but when you go through these and I've been through these so I should have known better. Um, you know, you start finding out that, you know, there's, you know, the cost on a constricted lot or a lot that's too small drives up your your construction
cost where you could spend less money acquiring a larger parcel of land and reduce your your your construction costs, so you're better off. So, well, look at the options. Exactly. Right. There'll be a lot of options. We don't need to go deep into this, but but once
that happens, what happens to the old um fire department? Does the police department get it? Cuz they should. Well, I mean, you could potentially knock that down and build on that site. I mean, there's Yeah, it's another there's there's all these different options that Well, I'm just saying we're going to We're not going to forget them.
Yeah, the idea. You need something, too. Okay. Any other discussion? You're two days. First things first. Sorry, fire chief. We knew I'd do that. Uh, any public comment? Seeing none, bring it back for a vote. All in favor signify by saying
I. I opposed. Motion carries. We are just over the 2hour mark. So, I'm going to suggest that we stop here for a minute. Take a 10-minute recess. We'll come back at quarter after finish up. Thank you guys. Yep. So, recess for 10
minutes. I enjoy it. Yeah. You learn a lot. start and like the 90 days and notice everybody smoking in. Oh yeah. How can I not?
And then you I enjoy listening to myst put new frosting on a jar of frosting and we go right to there would have been but I was
told that probably Oh no. So you have a concept process. All I do is put together. Oh, look. She didn't address. All right. Yeah. Keep going.
I'm sure they think about it. I understand. I am not having right now. Right now you're close by. [Music] like here's the papers.
Yeah, he for me. I try not to miss I think I'm on the same page because when I got there I was making notes today about what the dates are, how much they were, and all this other stuff to get with them to figure it all out. just
uh whatever if you want to sit down and just call in. I was I was going to I was going to show you maybe case vehicle bin date in date out days impounded any acred fees. That's another thing I want to see how
they're bringing the fees and it's so much a day but that gives you a value. It's really not costing us anything for that. You know what I mean? For some reason, I don't know, I got to look it up, but they cap it at 90 days. Yes, they do. And then when that's where they
prices, but yeah, it's funny because I had the same things on here when I was going through and I'm looking at generic change. But what I was also wondering, I was inbody. Do we make any efforts to try to talk to them along the way or do we just wait till 90 days and up your deals up? You
know, most of them we can't get in touch or they're in jail. That's where it's easy to get in touch with me about something to get something out of and you know that's just you know phone call especially you know with us moving to dispatch and where that is
that's on my list right I thought they thought they signed off I was hoping to hear something here out Thursday. It was Thursday was my retirement down there and then I found out Thursday night and I was like, "Oh, where were you at?
Okay. Well, so I'm at I'm the GM of Tarpon Landing Marina." Okay. But I retired from the sheriff's office. What do you do here? I'm the GM at the marina. He works down at the marina down down down by next to Captain Jack. That's something I'm saying. So, why are
you He lives in Fort. Just like you work here, but you live in Newport. Yeah. When I worked here 25 years ago, one of the um broke at American Marina and when those boats fell, they crashed and other boats and the gas was leaking all over
the place. Oh, no. He worked the um yeah um I don't know if you remember old man Corman shot himself in the head and I had to work that suicide and I had to bust down his door to get him. He was still alive but he died in the helicopter. He was 90 something years
old. So yeah, it's it's full circle. It's it's you know as soon as I come back and I'm not let a little bit and then warm your way back. I'm
like presentation. What happened? Yeah, I get it. They made today his first day ever. Should have been Danny, but if not Dave, it should have been Bob. And if not Bob,
then it should But but I definitely wanted one of those two. Something I go, "Nope. I voted against you and I go you should be it. I'm gonna find out what he's done. I have my opinion. I have my opinion
too. So I don't think so. No. No. I cuz I wondered that myself. [Music] Hey y'all should go to I worry about the fire. Oh no. I worry about the fire. Go to house later. What's
happening soon? I'm in the city truck. I can't. But I'm in the city truck. I can't. I still got home. I got to drive home. We'll just do it tonight. We'll just go. I'm all for it. You know, it's
funny. I laugh about downtown Newberry for how many years? Going out downtown Bourbon, Maine, Old Jill Tavern. That was about there wasn't much there. You know what I mean? And then going out to downtown just was never even on our radar. It was the place you drove to to get to Safety Harbor, Dun
Eden, Palm Harbor, Clear Water. Right now, we go here all the time back up and get it going. Cities work a little bit together on some of these events because we have waterfront restaurants. We just don't have anything
on the waterfront. I think that they have the downtown. We don't Everybody ducks after him anymore. He's got a great He's got a great We're done now. We'll be there afterwards.
Come to the fire station. They're everywhere. very enjoyable. Wow. Wow. Wow. Yeah. Okay. Don't listen an hour and a half. [Laughter]
[Music] Here we go. Ready? Okay. Next up is item number five, fire department Ford F250 purchase. I just want to state that normally we only allow one fire department thing on the agenda, but somehow we've got two, but
pass it to Mr. CP for introduction. You uh those council members who are here during the budget process might recall that during the CIP and discussions, we replace uh the 2001 Ford
Expedition. Um, they are putting forth a purchase request for a 2025 Ford F250 4x. Two things I will point out on that. I'll turn it over to Captain Quinn. Captain Quinn. Uh,
first, uh, they're looking to use the Sourcewell cooperative purchasing contract to buy this, which is a nationally recognized cooperative purchasing program. And secondly, uh this purchase was budgeted in the penny
for Pasco um five-year capital improvement plan and I think it was 75 for the time. Thank you. Couldn't remember. Catch stand for any questions.
Go ahead. What motor is it? This is the larger V8. It's the V8. It's a gasoline engine. V8 gasoline engine. V8 gasoline to save money kind of thing or something. We didn't go with the diesel to save some money. It doesn't run a lot. You know, the truck ran all the time, hours and hours and hours. We
would have went with the diesel, but we felt that uh really we need the tower capacity is what we need out of it. And the truck that we're replacing can't do anything near what that truck can do. What was the difference between the diesel and the regular? I don't remember the actual price. Yeah. And the other part is the diesel could take up to a
year to get in. Oh, we'll be over our cost. Cost. Yeah. I've seen the big blocks go both ways. I've seen them go like 350 400,000 miles and I've also seen them like go out everyund, you know. Um,
so we're we're aggressive with our maintenance program. It obviously gets PMI every 5,000 miles. We we stay up on the maintenance of these vehicles. I mean, obviously we have a 2001 truck that we're replacing. So, what are you? What are you using? What?
What are you using? So, this truck's going to be used for pulling the air trailer that we acquired through the safer grant. Um, which requires the medium duty truck to be pulled on. So, right now the what we have to do is we have to dump the water on the brush
truck then hook the truck up. So, we got to wait for 300 gallons of water to dump out of a two and a half inch line. um which is more timeconuming when we're trying to go for a call than what you think it is. Um the other part of that too is this will um pull all of our all
of our boats including the shared police and boat with them. And this boat what this is going to be doing is going to be set up for a a utility type vehicle is what we kind of call it as. So it'll have all the water rescue equipment on side of there for flooding. Uh high water profile th those are the vehicles
we use during the current the flooding that we had with Helen. um you know, I'd rather put a $60,000 truck than a $ 1.5 million truck through the saltwater. Um you know, when you've got to look at trucks that we're we're pushing through. Um so that's why we're asking for those capabilities. It's going to actually
look just like the fire chief truck. We're not changing anything between that truck and our truck. So you'll have two practically identical trucks. Three door regular standard. It's a four-door because of so you get extra seats. Yeah. Because So our volunteers use this to supplement when we get a fire. they'll
come in and jump on that truck to respond it to there. It'll be used for that. It'll be used for staffing um it um pulling the the trailers like I said before and replacing the 2001 um vehicle
that that it's currently serving as a question. I hear replacing. Is that going to be surplus? Can we send it to the auction? That was Yeah, that's going to have with the boss. I mean it's it's a 24 year old vehicle 70 miles on it but
it's running and driving and you know my my opinion would be it let the city hold on to it until it gets a cost becomes a cost issue because I don't think you're going to get any more for it a year and a half or two years from now than you're going to get today but that's up to you guys fire instructor using it today yes it
currently right now so when he's using it you're not really using it in fire capacity back in place. Well, he could use the building officials truck that's sitting in the parking lot. Well, no, because he supplements our our fire response, too. So, if so, for instance,
we've been running into where we only we getting two calls for service inside the city and we only have one fire truck to send. Right now, the fire inspector responds to give first response to that. So, he needs a vehicle that he can respond would like to he's capable of responding. Yeah, this will have medical equipment, AED, all that other stuff on
it. We put AEDs on there and medical equipment and he responds to car accidents and backs up events and so while he's out doing inspections, he's still got his ear on the radio and if we need him, we call him for pricing. This is a good price for this truck.
Hold on. I got two people talking at the same time. I'm sorry. Bob, did you have a question? Yeah, I was just curious how much source is actually saving us. So when you look at the there's two contracts mostly that cities will go under FSA which is the Florida sheriff's office association and
Sourcewell they're they're you're talking pennies of a difference. Um and some charge more for this and then less for that but the bottom line is the same. Um so source well was actually more aggressive on the F250 than what the FSA the Florida sheriff's office
contract was. And how fast can they provide it? So when I talked to this guy he said he's getting about a three-month turnaround on trucks right now. He would have a quicker turnaround if we weren't doing a red vehicle. Um because he gets a lot of white ones. Well, no. Three months. That's that's about average on a
truck is three three months. White. So, well, white and you put red lettering on it. Well, we we've we've thrown different stuffs out, but it's the about three months on all all vehicles. And that's another reason why we didn't choose
diesel is the year lead time on that. their Ford's lead time. The other reason why we chose Ford, um Ford's lead time is a little bit better than most others. Um and if you notice, the price did go actually up than the last time we bought a F250. And the reason being is that Ford's being a little bit more priced
higher on contracts just because Ford is the only um vehicle manufacturer that has stuck on government pricing where other contractors as you know have pulled off, taken on, Chevy pulled off, Dodge pulled off, then they go jump back on. So Ford to kind of stay competitive
in that say, "Hey, look, we we're with you through the long run. We're going to just charge a little bit more." Yeah. What is the warranty they give us with this truck? So unfortunately, because we're government, we get such a good price on the car. We we don't we don't get we get the normal um warranty
that a consumer or whatever it is. Yep. We get the same one. All right. Can we make a motion? I need somebody to do something. I'll make a motion we approve the purchase of the F250 truck for the fire department. Second. Okay. Motion second. Any further
discussion? Okay. Comment now. Put a vote. All in favor signify by saying I. I. Thank you guys. No, I didn't have photos. I just No, I was trying to keep up with I got
unanimous. Yeah, I haven't. Okay, thank you. Next up, item number six, discussion of streets that golf carts are prohibited on. I'll pass it to Mr. CP introduction. Yes. At the uh previous meeting, uh there was a discussion, I think led by the mayor, that we had an item that
talked about uh the allowing of golf carts on Washington Street. Um, currently, as you're aware, it's prohibited as well as on a number of other streets in the city where it's prohibited. Um, I've kind of outlined based upon what our code says and what
the the state law says, um, that has, you know, kind of the the level that has to be met for, uh, golf carts to be allowed on city streets. Um, from my review of this, uh, unfortunately in the past, uh, there
wasn't, although they said they had a lot of discussion, it doesn't look like they had a lot of discussion about Washington Street. um and was not able to find anything definitive why they chose they didn't choose to allow golf carts on Washington Street other than um
you know when they ordinance they they said it was based upon you know the safety considerations um but again didn't necessarily say Washington Street they just said streets that they were not allowing so obviously a new council can relook at any of those
streets and they different determination um today um based upon the traffic speed, volume, character um of of vehicles and you could easily change the ordinance um to allow it there as well
as on any of the streets that currently are not allowed as long as they fall within uh what state says you can allow. you know, basically a municipal street designated by the municipality, a two-lane county road within the city within the city jurisdiction
um to do that. So, thank you. Um I'll I'll jump in here. So, obviously, Washington Street was one major um myth that I that I want to talk about obviously, but I I'd like to look at this more holistically um and and and
even simplify it to some degree. Um you I would I would rather see the statute again cuz I'm for small government less regulation. I would like to see this uh golf cart uh statute be a little more lenient than it is. I would venture I
mean I want to be a golf cart uh friendly city even more friendly than Newport Richie. And so what I would propose is that we look at basically any city uh sorry chopper we got to make some headway here. So, um but anyway, I the um the idea behind any street within
the city that's uh and the 30 mph and 35 miles hour and I might have to ask Chief to opine on this, but um low speed vehicles can be on any street 35 m hour or or lower. Um but golf carts is 30.
Now, there is a a max speed on golf carts. It's 5 miles hour less. I think they're 20 and 25 on the low speed vehicles. Um, and maybe that's why this is like that. But from from my perspective, I I wouldn't. And again, most of the streets in the city, if not
all, I think are 30 miles per hour anyway or less um or less. And so I I would two things. I'd like to see that we open it up to any street within the city limits that's uh 30 or 35 mph or lower. I' I'd venture to put it at 35
just in case, which we'll we'll talk about a little bit later, but if we take on any more areas, we don't have to go back and name roads and and all that. It's just, you know, they they get annexed in if they have a street that's um within that parameter that they can
have a golf cart on. Um uni code, the only street that it specifically talks about in names is Washington. No, state routes 19 Ridge is state route two. So those two, no, right? The only street specifically is Washington. However, on
our city website, the map, the map list things that aren't in our MUN code, which I don't know why that is. I can I can tell you that. 19 Ridge, Washington, Olner, Limit, Leo Kid, uh, which I don't understand. Leo Kid, there's golf carts up and down it all the time. Pineh Hill Road only east of Apple 6, Springer, Old
Bridge Road, Squim and Bench. Now I understand the last four because they're over here. They wouldn't want anybody to come up 19 or come up ridge, but if you are on one of those streets, you can't go around. I mean, I don't know where you go anyway, but the whole point is these streets
right over on this side are on that map, too. Yeah. I think the reason is because those are county roads. Is that countymaintained roads? But county maintained. But again, it goes back to you can allow
um city can designate county maintain roads within the municipal corporation as long as they're two lane. Yeah. Too late. And so our our code currently the way it reads, we exclude county roads. So you're saying Leo Kit is a county
road. Uh there I believe are Leo Kit and Pine Hill. Well, I I I don't know. Yeah. I mean, nah, that's somebody messed this up. Well, I I think I think there was a couple different things going on. I I
don't know about Pine Pine Hill Road. That that one was strange to me when I looked at it. Yeah, because I like there's like a little there's a little place between Washington and Leo Kid that you're allowed to be on your golf cart, but you're not allowed on Leo Kid or Washington. So, how so, oops, I
almost said it. How do you get to that um spot? It can't be on this road or that road. How do you get to that road in the middle? So, some of the the streets, you know, like when you get there, Springer, um Old Ridge Road, Twench, and Breeze. I
think the reason that those are the way they are is because you have this county county system that intertwines with the city. So there's portions of those roads and and most of them are county maintained roads. Well, I thought
that was because they connect a ridge and 19. So really, how do you get there? No, no. I I think I mean again, I I can't say this for a fact. I'm assuming based upon the way that everything's written. Um those streets specifically back there because they kind of go in and out of the city that that they're
county and then you have some that are in the city that are county maintained. They probably took the approach is that that you know you could be driving your golf cart on a city inside the city countym road. Okay. But you know you go
outside of the city very quickly. And so who made that map? Because 10 years ago this map wasn't around. So at some point in the last 10 years somebody made that map. Yeah. No idea. Well, so I can go home and make a little map of my own and I can bring it in here and say, "Well,
you can drive here and you can't drive there." We'll stick it on the website and then everybody else here and guess who made that map? Nobody will know who made that map. Well, so there's there's a definite disconnect between the map and the the language. Actually, I think the language that probably coincide a little bit better, but the Washington Street was definitely called out
specifically. So, I my my proposal is let's just open up golf carts to all roads within the city, county or otherwise, that are 35 mph or less. And but how but how do you deal with those? You can't do that bridge, right? Well,
no, too. But but those areas again specifically behind us where you have only small sections that are in the city. So they would be driving on legally on our a road and then be
outside not legally driving on it. What about over in um what is it? Candle. What lantern candle? You know, you're so you got to go. You're you're in Port Richie. You're in Newport Rich. You're in the county. You're back in Port Richie. That that's
not blocked off. Anybody can drive a golf cart back there. That's that's three different jurisdictions. Well, so we we can only control what we can control, right? And of course, my my long-term goal, and hopefully not too long term, is that we we annex in some of these enclaves of stuff behind us that we've solved that problem. Um, and
obviously if there's if there's places that we need to work with Newport Richie coming out of Canada or whatever, maybe we can petition those guys to allow that as well. I don't I don't know the answer to that, but from our city boundaries, which is what we have jurisdiction over, that would be my proposal is we take out
the county road stuff. Obviously exclude US highway state roads because we don't have the ability to do anything with those, but the county roads we do if they're two lanes and uh any road that we have is is our jurisdiction as well. So that would be my recommendation to make it easy. I'm interested in what the
chief might have to say. Chief, good comments on it. I I don't see a problem with that. The problem we would have is the crossing of US Highway 19 and making sure the signage is there on all those cross streets so people know and on Ridge Road also so we don't have any fatal crashes
along those roadways. But the rest of them, like you say, Washington Street going back to Candle Light and all that stuff. I mean, it's a 30 mph speed limit down there anyway. So, you know, even going up Pine Hill, I understand how it changes to county to city because a lot of it goes by the businesses. If it's a business area, that's a county business,
then it becomes a county road at that point. And we still work crashes on all those roads. But as far as an ordinance like this, you know, I I don't really and we don't have a problem with it if it's under the 35 mph roads. It's just the the proper signage and education to the people so they know and they don't
violate the laws. Right. the um uh on the crossings. Obviously, you still can't cross uh and I don't if you're familiar, but we're actually in the process right now of working on Graham Boulevard to make that a designated crossing. We've got to modify that intersection. So, yeah, this by opening up on those roads, you still don't have
the ability to cross any state highway on a golf cart period. Now, really Graham Boulevard is probably the only place that we have. Unless you're an LSV. Well, right. LSV is totally different than us. Or if you have a go-kart tag in the back, you can't
cross, right? Yeah. She'll tell you that story. LSV can cross 19. If you're LSB, you're you're a motor vehicle. You're licensed and tagged and and you can go on any road. You can go on any road, cross any state highway. 35 or less. 35 or less. But when you cross 19, what
that mean? You can cross 19. LSV, there's no restriction, but it has to be LSV. So, and golf carts can be converted to LSV, but if you're not converted, you can't cross unless it's a designated crossing. Understand? So, that's the beauty of LSV program is is you really
have any restrictions. You can drive it like a car on a 35 mile or less road. And then there's a couple things in here that I just went through and highlighted. Um, down into the the meat of this, we talk about item C. Golf carts must be
equipped with headlights, brake lights, turn signals, windshield. Okay. All these things. And then we we reference Florida statute 316271 on the horn. Um I think it's uh pull my thing up
here. Yeah. So that is strictly on the horn. Uh but down below in F we say golf cart should not be operating on street county road state highway unless golf cart meets the equipment requirements of Florida statute 316212 which repeats most of that. um except it doesn't include headlights,
turn signals, windshield, seat belts, child restraints as required by law for more vehicles. So um in cleaning up or redoing this, I think we have clean up the equipment that we just reference whatever the floor statute does unless we want more specific items in
there. Um and then Same thing in F. I'm sorry, that's just No. No. Yeah. So, we reference floor statute, which is not as comprehensive as C, but we do repeat stuff in there. So, if we just kind of make that, if matter of fact, if we refer just to Florida statute, unless
we don't unless we want to add some more things, we really don't need to worry about that. If it changes, it changes our code with it. So, uh I think that's all I had to annotate it on it. So, So, I think that the purpose of this
discussion is not necessarily to to act on it. Um, other the fact that if if you guys are interested in having that draft up, we'll task Nancy with putting those changes together and and doing that. Or if you want to leave it as is, we can do that, too. No, I I think your uh vision
for making us a golf cart friendly community, which opens up that whole, you know, beachfront, waterfront, drive down to the restaurant, have a, you know, have a have a nice dinner, sit by the water on the boardwalk. We need to foster that the best we can and opening
up back to golf carts. One of the most frustrating things for me when I moved to this community is I bought a golf cart and I couldn't go anywhere. I was stuck to like, you know, now that everything's closed, Gildogs, all that stuff, there's really nowhere to go, right? you know. So, um, yeah, I'm all for it.
So, why don't we change all the road mile per hour to 30 mph? Then we're good to go anywhere. I think we're already there, but no, we're not. Is there something about 35? Congress. So, is Congress ours? I don't believe it's ours, is it? Only I don't even think
part I don't even think part of it is. Congress is is 30 mile 25 down at Newport Richie and when it gets up the ridge is 30 to 45. Well, so I'll go ahead and I was going to say that for my comments, but um the board commission I believe today just approved lowering
that speed limit from 45 to 35 at that section. So that that will be 35 all the way through there now. So I I did get that changed. So we're good at we're good at 35 and 30. So we need to change it from here. It specifically says 30. So if we had a 35 mph road in the city
or county road in the city in our jurisdiction, it could not currently. So use Congress as an example. If in fact that does become us at some point, then that 35 mph would allow them on that road as well. Only for LSVs.
Well, no, it' be for golf carts. No, golf carts can't go. They're 30. Only 30 and less. LS are 35 based on our code. That's correct. No, based on the law. That's a law. Is that state statute? I don't think I don't think there's a speed limit on state statute for golf
carts. It's only talks 35 Lville. My understanding I I'm not sure about that. I have to do some research and get back with you. I thought it was 30 for a unlicensed. The only only place I found statute less than 30 is that when they talk about
golf carts they talk about because there's you get you basically tell the speed technically and I know this is seems odd but technically you could put a golf cart if you deem it as safe on a 45 mph road in your city because there's there is no statutory speed limit for
that. But LSV there is LSVs you have to be 35 or less. So it's there's and again I'm pretty sure that's correct but I'm not 100%. But I've been doing a lot of research on this. So I So I would just
and we could we could draft it that way 35 or less depending on it doesn't violate floor statute. Well, let's move to do that. Okay. So well I'll ask a motion. So I I'm going to make I'm not going to make a motion. I'm going to state the motion. Somebody move for so
looking for a motion to have Nancy modify our golf cart code to make it consistent with the Florida statutes on equipment and to revise it to allow for any county road within the city um as well and to change the speed at 35 mph
or less and to I think I covered everything. Yes. change the speed limits to 30. I did that and then the county roads that any any street within the city basically to uh be legal use of golf. Those are
the three things I noted. Yeah, that so I got a motion from Bob. Is there a second? Okay. Second, Dave. Any further discussion? Any public comment? See vote. All in favor signify by saying I. I. I. Opposed. Motion
carries. Okay. That chopper was not here to here to defend his golf. Okay. Next up is item number seven, city manager transition discussion. What we've all been waiting for. I'll pass that to Mr. Copper for introduction. Kind of already introduced it, but um
I'll let you lead the conversation and well, as I said earlier, um I'm now 40 some days away from leaving. the need to come up with a plan to fill the city manager's role as I go
out. Um, and then direct staff I from my perspective you would directing staff to start the process to find an interim manager and also to engage a consultant to uh do uh recruitment for a full-time
building to that. Okay. I'll I'll add some information. Obviously, we've had Mac for year and a half, give or take, and we did we use Colin Basinger's search firm in that
process. And we thought we'd had an agreement of possibly two years, but we couldn't find out it's only one year. So, whatever we do from a search perspective, that would be new cost. Uh we thought we might be able to get that search done for for free, but that's not
the case. So, but that's there's a cost there to go out through that firm. Obviously, we're not obliged to do that. We could do a search in house. We can put the job out on social media and all the places and see what we get. Um, I will say, um, just in my experience, and
I was I was vocally against doing this, at least at first last time. Um, and I thought we could save the money and put it out and see what we get. But I will say that as I went through that process, because I was the odd man out on that, again, I'm just looking to save money.
There is a lot of value in that. I don't remember what the price was. 40 grand. You remember Dave? I thought it was like 35. 35 somewhere in that ballpark, right? They do a nationwide search and uh they they get in all the the
applications and they vet those applications thoroughly and then when they provide a packet of of I think it was top 10 we got last time. It was very thorough. We had all kind of information and it it was really a lot. You get a lot for that that process. Doesn't mean
you have to do that. I can tell you that since the announcements been made, I've had several people reach out to me that are interested. Um so, you know, people are watching outside of those things, too. So, it's really a decision here we have to make. I mean, there's always there's always other options as well. Um
I think that this search firm, they do temporary or interims as well, correct? can help with that. There's there's different firms that do that. I don't know necessarily if Colin if you go with him that that's a part of the service. I think is
something that he you know sets up you know through his network. We got posed on the last weekend almost before no the interim guy that we got Simon I think it was before one time
before. Yeah. two two before it was the interim before due before due but we got we got jam. Yeah. Another thing about interims that to keep in mind is they can't bid on the job. Well, so that's and that was the problem. That was the
problem. Yeah. You really want to make sure that your interim that's all he's going to do is be the interman not going to because what the persona is poison the water hole. Exactly. Nobody wants to bid on because they think well the guy's already doing the job. He's going to get Didn't Cosman bid? Eventually he did. He
bid. Yeah, but no. Trembly Trembley allowed him to bid. I said didn't cause bid. He's saying no. But after they agreed that they would not I know. And what it did is it drove everybody away and we we ended up with what we got.
Yeah. And so last time obviously when Matt was hired S was the interim and um he was not going to apply for the process and so we we everybody that applied was going to be considered. They knew they weren't there wasn't somebody in place that would have the leg up. So right.
So you got some people that in mind that are potentially I don't have anybody in mind. No, I mean that have approach but I have I can I can tell you the uh I've had a uh a former mayor reach out. I've had a former uh police chief reach out.
I've had um uh Jeffrey Shubbridge reached out who was actually um had reached out last time when when Matt was hired and he actually went through the process and he he was in the top 10. Um but he uh I actually tried to put him in
the top five that we interview but it uh got squashed and so and then we picked the top five and then one of the top five that one of those five ded so we only interviewed four. Um so he I don't have not talked to him but he did reach out and he he was he was aware of the
situation. They're willing to be interrmanate. Yes. So, and so what I what I was wondering is obviously Matt's here for another 40ome days, right? And I don't know if this is you're counting them exactly at hours,
minutes, seconds. Um the uh if we have a if we have a few interested parties from an interim perspective, would you be interested or is this would even be right to do this to have you actually interview them for your replacement to for the interim purpose?
Well, I because I I value it pretty heavily. I mean, I think that would have to be a part of the process. I mean, it could be does have it could be a part of the process. I mean, the more important piece really is that fit with you guys. So, I mean, you know, you you would have to be a part of that process. Sure.
Sure. But I mean, while you're here, obviously, you'd have a lot of knowledge from the internal workings of the city and what some of the projects going on and you could you could see where some of those intercut to mustard or not. Yep. that we might not be able to more than happy. They say send him in so he
can talk to him and till we find someone and and I would I would suggest if if we go that route that we would put the job out as an interim. Yeah. Um because I think the key thing is here, let's get somebody in here quickly. Uh and
hopefully that could possibly happen before you actually leave so that there could be a good week or two of transition. It takes like 50 days and then going forward then we could actually look for a full-time. What's the realistic time that they can get the
u the the job posted through this firm and do a search for regular? Yeah. For permanent. Yeah. Um well, could they do a 30-day, you know, get it out there? They've got a requirements. I mean, this isn't so I mean, first part is the first
piece, right? So, you have to get the firm. And so, you have to decide how you're going to do it. You know, I would recommend that that you know, you get at least three quotes on this. Don't just go with Colin because you've gone with
Colin. Okay? Nothing against him. I'm saying that cost perspective, you know, there may be other other choices out there that do this as well. Oh, I'm wondering if he's willing to give us a break. Maybe you don't ask, you don't get, right? Worth the ask for sure. Um,
repeat business is always good. But again, I mean, I think you're in a position where you don't necessarily have to go out do a full bid. So, I mean, I think in in because we have uh a little bit longer period between council meetings. So, I mean, it would be
realistic that we could start reaching out right away to these firm and getting numbers pretty quick so you could have something by the next meeting. I can't hear you. I'm sorry. that you could be reaching, you could we could reach out in in this time period between this
council meeting, next council meeting. And so you could be talking about um selecting a firm to go with at the next meeting. Um if you do that, then you know there's probably a period of a couple weeks for them to put together the materials.
Um depending I call them probably can get it right out. um someone else probably will do a little bit different than what he's done. So it's realistic that that you know you're you're two weeks out from that um then you know 30
to 45 days of advertising. So you know you're you're in June sometime in June that it goes out and you're probably interviewing sometime in in August. Yeah. I was thinking I was thinking we get on this
end and it goes May 1st and you and you put a two week or a 3 week time limit on it and let it rip. We got I don't know how many we got the last time we seemed like we got an awful lot. They're they're because these guys are looking for jobs. People are looking for
jobs. Yeah. Well, the the the process is a very robust process that they go through. They submit their resumes and all that and they do background checks. I mean they're all the social media internet. I mean, they really put a lot of work in that and that takes time obviously to vet those candidates. So, there's a I think there's a time frame
that they put um accept applications and then they go through those. Um so, maybe not as quick as could be, but obviously they got time. It would be good to have. Do you have a question, Chris? I didn't have a question. I had a statement. Statement. Go ahead.
Um since this is where we lay it all out and we don't talk behind the scenes because all the sunshine stuff, we might as well just say it right now. Have we thought about a different form of government for our city? Um, you know, Matt, you've been wonderful. You really have. But it's hard to keep these
good guys. And then if you don't get the good guys, you get somebody who's less than good and you they don't have a vested interest in the city, right? And then they just run us down a rabbit hole. Next thing you know, we're chasing our tails. What about I mean, I can read you what a strong mayor government looks like. It says uh it's a municipal
government structure where the mayor holds significant executive power. Um so that person would be somebody who has the ability to conduct business includes authority and appointment and remove department heads draft proposals uh for the budget and exercise veto power over
the council actions. So the the real the real defense for the city would be us the council against a rogue guy in the mayor's position you know but it would eliminate city manager alto together and we wouldn't have to we'd have a vested person in our city that
cares about we're small city it's a real small city you know and so I think we look at alternative ways to manage our city versus just the way we've been doing it forever that's been a constant you know and I and there's al there's also other forms as Well, the commission
style where each individual commissioner has responsibility to the city again. And also in the strong mayor side, there's there's some strong mayors that have a city administrator that kind of carries things out, but there's a little more uh uh cohesion there. There's a little more uh power, if you will, on
the on the mayor to interface with staff, hire fire department, whatever. There's there's varying degrees of how those things are implemented. I I think being small um there is uh it's worth a discussion by all means. Um but
nonetheless we have to get an interim in here first and if we find a good interim to go forth we can have those discussions or we can gauge the firm to try to find something. But again valid points. I I just think we need to be looking at now's the time to look at it. I mean Matt's been great. He
really has been a blessing to us but Matt's going on to other things. how we need to think about. Why are so many other smaller cities the same as we are with the city manager? A lot of small cities that are strong mayor in Virginia. There's plenty of them. Yeah. A lot. Well, there's a lot of uh so when you have a larger cities generally are
strong mayor. Yeah. Like smaller really small cities are a lot of times strong mayor. Um it's in between midsize cities and whatnot. They they overwhelmingly um the ones I know in Virginia, they love the mayor. He's
been reelected as his third term. He he knows everybody. He conducts business. He's not doing underhanded stuff. He's always above board with everything. It's just a good situation. So, I think we should look at it or talk about it. How do you even How do you even look at that discussion? Is
that a a charter item that would have to change? It's a vote. It's a It would be a charter amendment and a complete overhaul of your code because if you get rid of your city manager, your code has to be rewritten because most of the stuff in there says city manager doesn't see but the first step would be a charter amendment. So the voters would
vote on the change of the form of government. Yeah. So we'd pass it by ordinance. So it' be two readings and then it would go to a ballot. Do you know if it would uh is that something that could be a special election ballot or can it it would have to go to the next No, I think you you can call it a reason why you can't but it does have to
go to vote. The other the other thing against that the thing I say against that is you you the mayor would have to live in the city, right? Well, you have to live in a city. No, no, no. The city manager does. But, but the mayor would have to live in the city. So, now you're
drawing from a small population. That's absolutely true. So, this is this is what my reservation is is is you you got a small pool and a lot of people in this community are retired. Maybe they don't want to participate. I I don't know.
But on the other foot, Dave, being a resident of the city means you'd have a vested interest in it and you wouldn't be like hightailing it and taking off and getting a new job in California, right? I agree. I certainly agree with that. So I could So another thought is that
every three years you could have a new mayor. Right. Right. Yeah. and that mayor could decide that I want a new finance director. I want a new operations manager. I want a new this, a new that. So
potentially every three years you could be changing over and so again and that does happen. Um so you know you know obviously I am
um very biased in this and I would expect you to um and and I understand that that concept that you may want to look at but but I think again when when you're a growing community that has a
lot of dreams and desires to be bigger better and do all these things consistency is the number one thing you the the reason I'm going back someplace is because they are consistent. They've been, you know, they set a plan in
motion almost 18 years ago and and that that plan is coming to fruition right now and that's, you know, go next door to Newport Richie. You know, they have they have grown in the last 11 years.
And the reason that they've grown in the last 11 years, you can you can say it was the council that came in there. You can say that it's the city manager because she's been there for 11 years. Um, all true, but they have kept consistency in what they're doing and
you know, the concern would be that because again, you know, the mayors change on a regular basis here for a lot of different reasons and city managers and city managers, no doubt. But but again, the mayors and and if the mayor
is in charge of the department and you're now changing out the public works director and the finance director every three years because that mayor wants their person in those roles, you're not going to have consistency. And so it's going to be probably take a year and a
half to two years to bring those people up to speed and then you have another election. And you would have to have a whole different system for the mayor because there would be more requirements. I would hope. What's the difference, Matt, between switching out
your city manager every three years or your mayor every three years? Right now, we're doing the city manager all the time. You know what I mean? So, it's really no difference. And as a city manager, you get to because I'm not getting I'm not getting into the real the real differences between, you know, what a city manager's
experience, knowledge, and education is versus someone that again, and I'm not coming in off this I'm not writing anybody's background, but I'm saying that there is a lot of difference between someone that is trained and educated and has experience in running a
city versus someone that that you know, their other job has nothing to do with running government and and again with with all due respect why you have a city manager is that you guys don't have to worry about all those technical
things but you get a mayor he get doesn't get reelected and you don't get dredging you don't get reelected and you get someone else in here and they overrule you think you you're gonna handle what's going on he's fired he's fired he's fired he's going to put his own people in here
you can't vote on that. So you can vote on policies, but you can't tell who to hire either, right? I hire I don't hire fire hire whoever wants to, right? That's true. But you know, I don't hire my friends and and the history of strong mayor governments
in small cities where they bring in their friends. Yeah, they You know, that that is that is what started the profession of city managers back in the early 1900s was the the idea of patronage that strong mayors brought in
their friends and they rewarding people for the vote rather than basing their abilities on experience and knowledge um in their in their in what they do. And and again, I I think that it's it's you
know, again, I I I see across the United States a lot of well-run mayor-led, you know, strong mayor governments. I I I see that, but there's a a big history just like in city manager form too. I mean, there's a lot of well-run and
there's some that aren't very wellrun. You know, I I would say though that cities that that do it right with council manager forms, you know, it starts out not not trying to be, you know, cheap and, you
know, not paying what a city manager is worth. It comes from how you select a city manager. You know, city managers, you know, first off, you have to jive with that manager, right? I mean, you have to have comfort that he's going or she's going to do whatever you need her to do to make the right decisions. Um,
but then, you know, you have to look at the background and and you know, people hire, you know, managers that's been fired three or four times. To your point, my role, my role is one by the way, one firing after that becomes question. The mayor comes in and
brings his own personnel which you have control over. Um, at the same time you have uh the mayor and Sal could work together uh well when he's gone. I mean they could until or we get Andrum to help him
out. But if uh he fires somebody, like I said, you can't you can't fire him. If Matt fires someone, we can fire him if he's not doing what we want. He's not handling personnel right. We can fire him. You can't fire the mayor under the city council. Yes. Under under strong
mayor, you can't control the mayor from the city council. No just does whatever he that's what you're asking. There's certain limitations, but he is your CEO. He's your He's right. All CEOs are terminated. That's what I'm saying. Right now, the five of us can say, "Matt, you're not doing your job.
Goodbye." Actually, three of us. Oh, just three of us. But so there's again, there's varying and I'm not advocating for this either way. I'm just being transparent. I'm on the ballot in April. So, um, whatever we do, you may or may
not have me sitting here. Now, obviously, um, from my perspective, you know, I would guarantee you that I could do that and do it well, but my fear would be who would come after me, you know, and so that and when you make a charter change to change your government
style, that until it's changed again, that goes for a long time. And once you make that change, let's say it gets through. Let's say people like me and want to see me here and then I drop dead after the election and all of a sudden you got to elect a new mayor. There's no guarantee they're gonna get what they
and it would only be a resident. There's no guarantee and I'm not trying to please don't think I'm trying to ride us down the road. I'm not I'm just trying to get us to think. We're just having 10 or 11 years out of you before you went to be a Jesus. Okay. And and you did great things in the city and got lots of
traction. And then all of a sudden we're like, you know, we really don't feel comfortable with this and we switched to it have to go to vote again. Has to go to vote again. That's exactly and it might not pass it. So you might perpetuate that style government in perpetuity, right? So there are there
are real risks and and I I'll be 100% transparent. There are there are things within the council manager form of government that is very hard to operate under without a doubt. Um and uh that's it's imperative that that uh all of us as council members and me as a mayor
whoever sitting in these seats have a good working relationship with the city manager. And at the end of the day, any three of us if if he's not doing his job, we put him on the street and it's so that protection is very real and can happen tonight. We can take a
vote tonight and it just happens. Now, there's obviously contractual things or whatever that could lead to that, but but going back to the the the mayor position, obviously, unless I do something that by charter allows the council to uh remove me or whatever,
which there are provisions in there, right? Um again, me, we're sitting here. Um outside of that, it has to go every three years for an election. The good thing about that obviously is is that
that mayor and council is directly tied to the people. Um there's that buffer obviously. So somebody reaches out to me and says, "Hey, I got this problem or whatever." You know, I can't go to uh Daryl and say, "What's going on over there? The water issues and the billing's all out of whack, whatever." I
I have to go to Matt. Ties Matt up. But Matt has been very very good about taking care of those and researching those issues. Again, the part I hate about it is is that I can't do some of that leg work for him. Um, it all has to fall on him, which takes him away from
other things he has to do, but that's the nature of the position. Um, so, but it is it's a it's a structure that's, you know, tough to work in and I I tell you losing and I I I don't want to tout
on you too much, but I will. Matt has been a godsend for this community 100%. I've worked under just him and not under but over him and Duke. Um and I can tell you night and day difference and I've been familiar with some of the other city managers. We
really hit the jackpot with Matt. Um will we be able to replace Matt? I have my reservations which really is a concern but hopefully we will. Um but that's the real fear is is whoever we
get in here um if he's not Matt, we may have trouble with him. But well, we still got S. On on the flip side of that, if we don't like it, we have the ability to fire him and go to go to the well again. And if we do it within the one-year period, then we'll get Do do we
have the ability to study this, look at it. I mean, is it worth us? We're talking about it now. You know, I see some apprehension from the council people, and I get that, but shouldn't we not? Don't we have a responsibility to at least look at it? Oh, I I I am all for having a discussion and I and again,
there's varying degrees of that. I mean, you could have talk about hiring friends and whatnot. You could put a strong mayor thing where the department head firings and and hirings have to go through council. Um, that takes away that card. So, there's there's things you can structure it to to make it
better to put controls in place, right? and and and just coming from years and years and years in business, asking Matt what he thinks about that is not the right thing to do because Matt's 100% pro, you know, what he does, you know, and that's going to at the at the end of
the day, whatever decision we would do on that would go to vote and and the residents would decide whether they want that or not, right? And I would if we ever was to do something like that, I'd want to be transparent as possible to explain to them and and we would we would spend a lot of time drafting what
that would look like, right? Because again, there's there's varying degrees of how that you going to be totally strong or you be kind of strong and have that tie in. But how do we how do we study that or look at that? No disrespect to Matt. I'm just saying we have somebody in the room that was a mayor at a strong mayor city, don't we?
Yeah, that's true. Yeah. What's that? I'm sorry, Bob. We have someone here that was a mayor in a strong city. Yeah, Matt Douglas strong mayor in Taylorville, Kentucky. So, but I think if I would imagine that that would
be a workshop type of thing that we would entertain and we would talk about it and and we could definitely look at that, but the the immediate need right now is is is replacing to get an interim get an interim and if why we have an interim, if it's a good
interim, we can start to have discussions and see and if we get to a point where we want to put the vote, we can do that. Um and if it passes then we would basically let the interum go and it would be done or if it didn't pass we move on with hiring. Exactly. Yeah. I think we have a responsibility to look at it and
then what we find out if we find out it's no good we can say that's terrible don't do that and we might we might find out it's good. So I thought at least worth the effort to talk definitely against it. There was there was two things that were said here. Eric mentioned that we hit the jackpot with
Matt and Matt said, "What you don't realize is I've got the training to understand where the problems are." Exactly. And he has been spot on on every time. We're going through the charter where he's pointed things out time and time after again where things
were really out of line. No, he spoiled it line because he's got the background and he's got the he's got the formal education to do that. Coming in off the street, I'm not sure any of us would have all of that in a package like he
is. Okay. All of us together wouldn't have what he has. The only other situation that I can tell you that may be very effective, okay, is for somebody because Matt's very reserved, very smart. I mean, so far from what I've seen, Matt's highly intelligent,
educated, been around, you know, but Matt, what's the longest you've stayed in one place before? Nine years. Nine years. Nine years. That's where infield. So, he has he has some experience, but maybe for our city and the growth we're at right now, we don't need us we don't need a guy who's, you know, safe. We
need somebody who's a risk taker. We need somebody to take some chances. And then you have an an an attorney who's like, well, hold on a minute here. Here's the governor. You know, they pull down. That's what that's for. you might need somebody a little more risk-taking in that position. I'm I'm just saying. I mean,
you know, entrepreneurs who build, you know, multi-million dollar companies, they take chances. They take risks. And our city right now is in a place where we we don't need to be safe. We need to take and forgive me when I say not safe. But we need to take some risks. We need to take the risk with their money, not the citizens money. Risk with their
money, not citizen put forward here to get the city out of the out of the ditch. We have we have been we've been chartered by our people by voting trusted to say, "Hey, we need to take some chances." I can tell you right now, Newport, Newport Richie has not gotten to where they are because they sat back
on their laurels. They got there because they took serious chances. They took bashings from people. They all kinds of things. They put up that sign across the road there with a city manager. They have a city manager. No, I'm not I'm not I'm not talking about that issue. I'm just I don't know if you know this or you. The city poverty wasn't always a city
manager run. It was back to 80s or something. I think they changed. Was it strong mayor before that or it was commission? Was it commission? Yeah, I think it was. You're right. It was so was commission before which basically it's each one of the council members would have responsibilities with the
different department heads. I I mean I'm shifting gears on the strong mayor thing just trying to get us to think a little bit. You know, some what I want to do is get us to get out of that box and look at some other possibilities. And that and even with this the council manager, former governor, I think there's there's flexibility within the charter that we
could build in some of the things that that that boilers about that form. Correct. I mean, you kind of have a hybrid, if you will, and still have that expert um that's accountable to the council that carry out day-to-day uh things, but could provide us with a
little more ability to interact with staff or whatever. You know, there's there's there's things we could do. And and by all means, I think we ought to look at everything that we could improve upon. If we were even possibly ever going to go that route that is that
whole that whole scenario is going to take a long time, right? A very very long time. And this is what happens a lot of times with this cat. You get so far off on something that is not now and it's not what we need to be talking about right now. I'm not saying we can't
look into that, but that that now would even if we went that route, it would never happen right away. We've got what Matt 40 less than 43. We've got a certain direction that we've got to go. I get it. And we don't need to be, you know, off thinking of all these other
scenarios that aren't going to happen within the next 45 days when we need to be doing something. Yeah. Know, so I'm so we're totally and this is what drives me crazy about council. You know that. You all know that we're we We have something to talk about. Stick
with it. You talk about things not getting done. It's because because you can't we can't finish a thought. This is my first meeting. It is your first meeting. Let me finish. No, let me I'm talking. Go ahead. I am talking. It is your first
meeting and I understand that. So, this isn't all directed at you. This is directed at all of us. And this is why some of these meetings go on just forever because we we circle around something, we circle around it, we circle around it. We are not going to
get a mayor government in the next 45 days. However, we do need to do something. So, why don't we just focus on that and then we can look at the rest of this. I'm not saying we can't look at it and I'm not directing this at you, Chris. I'm just saying it is so
frustrating when this council gets just around and around. Yeah. Let's focus on what we need to talk about. What we need to talk about is Matt's leaving unfortunately. Yeah. Or else he's leaving now. What are we going to do? Yeah. And we we have to find at least an interim in that time
frame. Still coming? Are you done, ma'am? Yeah. Thank you. I've been in this situation before. I've been here years ago, decades ago, where you come into a a an older situation and somebody new comes in. They've got all these ideas. They're like, "Gosh, sit on
him. Shut him up. He's He might have a crazy idea. Change the whole thing." Yeah. We're going to sit in here. We're going to talk till 10:00. We're going to do all those things because our city right now needs our help. So, the new guy's going to come in. He's going to throw these crazy ideas up against the wall. We're going have to look at them and as a council, we're supposed to go through them and we're supposed to
decipher whether some of it's valid because everything I say is not going to be valid. But if I just sit over here and you say, "Uh, Chris, do you have anything to say?" And I'm like, "No, I'm good. Let's go home." What good am I doing here? I'd rather just go back to what I was doing before I came here. But if I'm going to make a difference, I'm going to take us places that we're not
used to going. So, please forgive me in advance. I'll sit here till 10:00 at night. If you're mad about that, I'm sorry. No, you have a right to say things. I just when you can get your point out and then what we do is we all agree to talk about it later. Yeah. It isn't on the agenda. That's all I was doing. And I and I think that's where we
were. So, let's table that discussion. We absolutely can talk about that. Yes, we can. And again, first thing at hand, let's focus on getting a interim in here. And so what I would propose, um, and again, I'm not the end all say all
here. You guys, I think what we probably ought to do is I will forward the names that have reached out to me to Matt. Have the city go ahead and put a job a job out there and all the
different and there's actually I think city manager. if I access to the city manager. Yeah, we'd probably do Florida. Yeah, for an interim and give us a two weeks. Does Florida League of Cities have any? They have a search
size. Well, so yeah, just basically put it out everywhere that we have like our HR would do for any other job posting. Look for interim. Let's see what we get. In the meantime as well, we we go to look at the firms
Colin and otherwise uh and start moving down that process like we're going to um reach out and see what uh what's out there from a permit perspective. I think we we focus on that. That's all we need to do right now um until we figure out
where we're at. Yeah. And ideally ideally we find an interim relatively quickly. they get some turnover and we continue to move the ball down the road. And then once that's in place, then we we can talk about either looking a little further at government styles,
hybrids, whatever, or moving forward with a search firm to put out for permanent. That sound fair? Yeah. Is it all or none? That's what I'm kind of thinking. Why are we doing why we do them all at the same time? the the interim would be obviously first
we have to do that. Yep. Because if once he's gone, we got to have somebody because we don't have the power. What would happen if we didn't have an interim in place? We we'd have to put one. Okay. Um just just another option. Obviously, if anybody wants to resign their seat, they could be the interim
city manager. So, that's always out there. But, um no, let's let's let's focus on putting that out there. get that in and then once we solidify that interim that would be the time we could say okay do we want to have a discussion maybe we have a workshop and talk about
it but that point we've got somebody in place doing the job there's some qualified people that would I'm pretty sure Matt will like I think a workshop's a good idea because then you can I mean invited they're invited to everything too I don't want us all being the decision let's get some work done
take at least 30 minutes more a lot of stuff we got so that that fair by consensus Any objections to that methodology? I'm all for that. Anything else you need for? So, as far as pay for an interim, is that anything we That's negotiated once we select,
right? Based on But that's that's a good question because when we put it out the bid, we probably need a range out there, I guess, right? For interim or Well, I don't know necessarily for an in you need to, but but uh I mean what?
So again, uh, intrams generally don't get any of the benefits. So you're going to potentially be paying a little more when he interviews them. That's going to be a question he's going to ask. So what are you looking for to do this and then
we can determine on that person based on that also. So may not be much, it may be too much, right? Depending on the calor person. We That's what I'm saying. You could hit strike gold on the first shot and find well this guy you know he's going to be a good guy you know
that we keep him but Matt's going to determine in that we trust Matt on that Matt when you do interview these people or grab the applications order. What is the process for us to participate? How's that work? Well I again I my expectation would be all I do is give you insight
into what I think. Okay. Right. I mean we interview. Yeah. I mean you guys will have to meet them and talk. I would I would not be the person to tell you who you want. I will tell you what you feel. You can probably tell us who we don't want. I probably tell you that. That's that's what I really want to get out of
here. Who we don't want. Okay. We can work through that process, but let's let's post the position and let's and I'll forward the names that I know of that are interested in that. Okay. Um former attorney in there too as well. I mean, four or five people I
freed out. So, old business now. Uh, which is there anything else on the city manager session? That we good? Okay. Old business. Thank you. I'll let you go right right off the bat. Well, I have a lot, but since it's after 9, don't have anything. Dave, is there anything is
there is there anything really pressing you want to wait? No, nothing pressing. Or I would say something. Okay. So, make sure you got your time. Dave, do you have anything? Um, old business. Yeah, let's see. got a an Excel file with 300
pages here, but because I was You need to listen to Bob on this one. But because I was I didn't get it until late this afternoon, I'm going to have to save that for another day. Um, but I do have a couple items.
Um, you know, and and these are things I can work offline with Matt on. They're not that critical. Um, old business or council comments? That's old business. Do we have anything on Oh, you know this is old business, right? You still got council comments coming. Okay. Yeah.
Okay. I'm good then. Okay. Good read. Yeah. See, that's that's the kind of stuff you Okay. Um, so I I do have I've been up since 3, so you I do have just a couple quick things on the US 19 Grand Boulevard intersection improvements. Okay. Um, is
the status here? It says the drawings and agreement are under engineers QC review and they're expected to be uploaded to FDOT's permitting portal early next week. Is that current or is that old? Where we at with that? I thought it was getting ready to go out to bid. No, no, no. We're still working
through getting the permit from FDOT. Okay. So, yeah. And so, it's like it's like week with week to week they're waiting on FDOT to finalize getting the permit. And so the engineer checks with them every week. So weeds week. How long has it been? Because I'll
make a phone call tomorrow on that. How long has it been since FD dot we put into that? When did they start? Well, we just had uh we had that meeting was in March is when we had the uh the pre pre-lication. Yeah, we had the preemptive meeting with with FDA with
the FDOT in March and that was like mid to late March and then you know now we're in mid mid mid April. So, when did we when did we upload uh to upload the stuff to FDOT's permitting portal? Uh they just did that. The the engineer just did that.
So, like like last week? Yeah. So, what's the expected time frame on it? Normally, any idea? I probably make call because just last week I 30 to 45 days. So, let's let's let's do this. If you guys could stay on that next council meeting, if if you haven't had any uh
further progress on that, let me make that phone call. Okay. Um, next park ramp fees allowance. This same staff has been here for a while. I don't have we gotten anywhere with that. I've not been asked to do anything with that. Yeah. So that I mean we were waiting to see how we
were going to do the redesign of Nicks Park. Can we figure that in there? Because we're going to have to figure out how to get the the kiosk and the the gate. Um, so I mean that's okay. So we really can't do anything unless we were just
going to put an envelope system out there or something. So you fix the boat ramp first. Yeah, I get it. Right. Okay. I was curious where it was at. Um, that's uh speed traffic signs on Old Post Road. We put And so that's new. So we put two
signs on Old Post Road. Keep them out there. I believe they have data gathering capability. Have we? Huh? I do got any information. So, have we have we analyzed that at all? They've
been there for several months. I'm just curious if they if if if it's been effective. I know a lot of residents complain about that area. Of course, a lot of those homes have probably from the flood have not been there, but I'm just curious if it's curbing the the speed. Nobody's tried to beat the land speed record yet, so Okay, good. Good.
So, they seem to be affected. Yeah. if um you guys just kind of monitor those so that uh because obviously if they're effective we want to deploy those in other places in the city as well. So okay that's all I have for business. You guys have any old business? No
business. Okay. So then moving on to comments from the mayor city council. I will start uh with councilwoman Burke. I'll let you go first. Well, I want to welcome the police chief
to his first meeting. I hope you feel like it here. And Chris, this is his first meeting, too. So, welcome. Welcome aboard. And I think I I think I've said plenty of other things tonight, so I'm good now. Okay. Vice Mayor Mayor, that's
a mouthful. I just want to say um man, this is really exciting to me. I I've built multiple companies in my life. I've made lots of money and nothing satisfies me more than be able to give back to the community that I live in my
family. So, I'm thankful, Frank, you're here right now. Police chief's passionate about things. I'm thankful for Daryl and what you do for our city. Man, you have I've watched you. You've done so many wonderful things around our city. Sometimes you don't get enough recognition for the things you do. And I
just want to tell you from my own perspective as a resident, I recognize. Thank you so much. our staff right here. Listen, you guys do the work of about four people each and I'm so thankful for each one of you and I really mean that. So, thank you so much for that, Mr. Cob. I wish you were staying because you and
I would have got along real good. I would have been that thorn all the time and you would have had to perform at the highest levels you had in your life. And you'll miss that. You'll miss me on that. Tell us the truth. When you found out Chris got elected, that's why not at all. I just want to say to the
residents who elected me, to the people in this room right here, I'm going to do everything I can to get you out of your comfort zone and put you into a place where we perform at the best level this city has ever performed at. It's not that I'm great. It's just that I'm that fire starter. I'm the igniter. So, Mr. Merritt, with all due respect, you know,
and I have a ton for you and want you to know that, you know, I'm excited about this relationship, this time for me to be here. So, thank you all for that. Um, I could go on with a plenty of things that I believe in. You know, I believe we've got the best little gift here in the Port Richie area ever. Where we're
located on the water, we have an unbelievable opportunity here in front of us right now. Properly energized, properly taking chances. Nancy, keep us out of trouble in prison. Thank you. You know, but we have the opportunity right now to change this whole dynamic right
now. Be the best little vacation place for people to come. you know, with a soaring economy, with plenty of money to fix our problems. But it's going to take chances and it's going to take guys like me, my council lady, that are going to irritate the crap out of you, okay? Most of the time at 10, 11, 12:00 at night,
but I'm going to I'm going to take us places that we're not used to going because some of the stuff I say is going to be very valid and very good. We're going to grow from it. Some of the stuff may not be, and you're going to have to learn to read me like a book and use me for the skills that I have. So, I'm excited. I've got pure intent on helping
our city right now. But I want us to be the greatest city there is. And I want to make sure that the people who are out there who have entrusted us at the end of our terms or the end of our lives, they're able to look back and say, "Man, that council and mayor and those people got some stuff done and we have a great place to live for it." So that's all I
want to leave you with tonight. Yeah, we appreciate you having look forward to working with you for sure. Council, on that note, uh I would recommend that you reach out to Sal and Daryl and meet Sammy over at Waterworks and
yeah, we're going to be scheduling that and go meet some of the people out there working in the field and you'll appreciate even more. There are a lot of lot of good people out there and you should you need to go out and meet those. Maybe we should in council we should go do that together. Well, so all basic but since Matt got here, he's put that in place where you meet with all
departments. I love it. Okay. When do I get started? Schedule those meetings with the department heads with you and them. Awesome. That's it. That's it. Council me, I got a few items. I think I did. I I've looked at the red light camera
tickets. Uh and I was looking as of February. I just got the March data today. Um so next time maybe we can talk about that. Um, and I mentioned about the auction fees and I'm going to get together
with the new cheese to kind of go with some ideas if that's if I can since he's new. I'd like to circle all of us probably need to circle through him at some point in time. That's I appreciate that. Um,
uh, let's see. I noticed that the business tax uh the business certificates for um looks like they're running to the positive for a change here. So evidently the efforts you've been doing to collect
them um it's been pretty good. We got 89% uh which is good. Um I would also like to get a handle on what are the waved permit amounts for
that uh as well as golf cart registrations, we've only collected 150 bucks. We had budgeted 1,600, but that's not a lot of money. But the point is is I don't know if we got a process in place. It might be a process issue. And
uh fire inspections, they're actually way up. So that's good. You guys are doing a demo job down there. Um, and then, uh, we we did a five-year
plan on the, uh, pitting for Pasco and some of these discussions that we've had tonight about, hey, I'm I'm buying this truck. It's budgeted. Maybe we need to talk about that format so that we can just go snap to it and say, oh, okay,
you I had a $75,000 budget. We're spending 62 grand. So, we got that delta as a positive that we can use to spend other things. Okay. Um so, if we just take a look at what we've spent um and
bump it up against that report, we probably need to have u you know that kind of flushed out a little bit. Um other than that uh I attended uh uh one of these meetings uh with the coastal
and uh the Salt Strong guys when we went to a meeting there last night, a fishing club meeting, um they had some ideas on building a kayak launch or getting a kayak launch built at uh Brasher Park.
um as well as you know the bathrooms and I assured them that hey we'll take that into consideration and try to get that addressed. Uh also uh I think it was two weeks ago we went to the energy and marine center out
there at the end of Old Coast Road. Uh they've got a seminar coming up uh how to create hanging oyster reefs from your dock and it's actually the same day May 10th uh that the car show is. So, that's coming up. Uh, something to think about.
Um, and other than that, I can do that. I got moisturers hanging from my took the liberty of uh summarizing all those goals in those goal planning sessions that we did uh back in about this time
last year. And uh the mayor's right uh one item number say one more time, sir. The mayor was actually right that uh item number 6A1, construct a new public safety facility for the fire
department. It was the number one list on strengthening Port Richie's ability so it can be safe, resilient community by delivering highquality public safety services. And that was a priority. Um, but what I'd like to do is, and this
probably needs to be a annual, maybe semianual review, charting progress on this and making sure that these things are assigned to either departments or people and look at a progress report because we, you know,
we had uh almost a hundred items on this list. I think it was, well, I had 113 lines. It's less than that because I got headings in here, but say 100 items. And it's real difficult to keep track of that unless you're actually got a
process to review that u periodically. So um and I can share that with you Matt to share with your team and and potentially uh get some of these items completed because they are they have been completed and and it's always good
assurance that you see that you're making progress to your goals and this was our vision. So, u I'll share that. Thank you guys. Thank um just two quick things. Um in regard, and this is probably more
CRA related um so maybe next time we have a CR meeting or whatever, but um obviously our Grand Boulevard planning we've talked about and that there's um and I think Matt's been doing some work behind the scenes on properties over there that the old blue building had
tore down. I think there's interest there for the city. Um, but there's also some I told him about a couple um homes there that look like they're vacated or whatever. I think we we probably need to start looking at some acquisition along Grand Boulevard as well as planning for
that. And I, you know, probably planning should always come first, but obviously if there's opportunity for land acquisition, now would be the time to do that. We do got we do have several um well, what's our C balance? four some million five million
four million dollars. Um and one one thing to keep in mind, the legislator is actively seeking to remove the ability to have CRAAS. There's probably going to be a bill passed um to start sunsetting those. Um last I heard from our
lobbyist, I think the original thing was sunseted by 2035. I think they've negotiated it to go to 2045. Is that correct? Um I think it's where that ends up, I don't know. um and then um the ability to start new projects or whatever. But anyway, we we need to get
on the ball to look at where we're going to revitalize what we're going to do at CRA funding. Um and so I think I think Graham Boulevard is probably the next logical place to really focus on as the waterfront develops with these other developments. just to give you an update
on that. Um I talked to Ryan and he's actually be bringing something to the city to engage with the city staff on initial plans very very soon. So that's something going on as well. Um, so do we from a land
acquisition, do we need kind of consistent to move forward to look at things or I had that we were planning on having actually having CR CRA meeting tonight, but we couldn't get things situated to get it done. Um but two
topics that I had on the agenda that we'll have for the 13th agenda will be um getting permission to move forward with uh uh putting out an RFQ for planning um
developing a planning document for uh uh Grand Boulevard. And the second is talking about uh property acquisition because we need to be kind of directed because again one of the steps in acquiring properties we're going to have to do appraisals of the property develop
you know what what what the base number is going to be. Um so we need direction on which properties you want to go at. So it'll be a discussion. Yeah. if if before that meeting and I or maybe during that meeting we talked about it, but if we could maybe have staff go out there and kind of drive down Graham Boulevard and kind of target some of
those things that might be of interest. I said those two properties there obviously um are in a a state of disrepair that the doors open, walls are all tore out. Again, they're not for sale that I can see. Um but uh they they probably already got from because it's really just those couple residential
homes on in street. So that might be an opportunity can kind take an inventory and bring back for us to talk about what we want to look at. Keep track of tax note. Yeah. Um and then the the second thing and I I will need a consensus for
this is uh annexation. Um we so the this our planning and zoning board I guess at one time we had an annexation board but I'll read out our code section 801 city planning and zoning board. Item uh D is to assume all the duties and responsibilities previously assigned by
the charter to the annexation board. Uh item number one pursue the logical annexation of contiguous lands. Two prepare a program to present to property owners the reasons why they should annex the city. Three to develop an annex timetable and five-year plan. Um, so I would uh like for consensus of council
to engage our planning and zoning board as the annexation board and really start moving forward on that. We've got some enclaves that should be relatively easy to pick up. Matt's been doing some work in the background on that. There's uh there was some code out there which I'd also like Nancy to take a look at. um
that when we have water service up outside the city, uh I believe he'd read some code that stated that when they when we offered them that service, they took it, they were um beholden to annex at the time, we look forward to it. Howard's very old and so if you could kind of look at that and see what legs
that would have as far as if we obviously when you go to annex there's a vote process but if we have something uh in our code that basically when they that holds them to actually do that it makes it a lot easier obviously to bring it in. So how does that differ between
residential and commercials because typically commercial don't vote right? residential. If there's residential property, that's a vote. If it's not residential, then it's 51% of uh the land area. Owners in the land area are
looking at annex have to sign off on it. Well, that's a lot of property right around here is commercial. It's checkerboarded. We need to get that. If they look at one property, what do you mean 51%. It's one property. Then he says, "No, you're you're out." Yeah. Okay. So So you have to build a case.
Why? Why is it good to annex? Yeah. And it and so our planning zoning board, that's what their part of their role is is to start putting that together. So is there any objections to tasking them with moving forward with annexation and hypers speed? Let's do it.
Okay. But, you know, while you're on that subject, having boards, really active boards now, would it be uh out of line to give some consideration to these folks that you give them a, you know, a
$50 or $100 uh every time they meet so that it's something that we're not just, you know, passing off. I mean, these guys spend a lot of time looking and researching that. That's something that we can do as a council. How does that in your experience planning and zoning
boards are they ever paid in any kind of capacity? Um there's some I mean but it's in the charter that specifically says that they're compensated at $25 a meeting or something. Yeah. Yeah. It's at least in
the charter but it's not in the charter. Um I guess you have to worry about state statute and see what state statute says. I don't know of any that are, but I can look at it and see if there's any reason you can't. Is um is if we were to look at that during the budgeting process to
compensate them something for that is that something we can do by ordinance or we have to go in charge. Okay. I have to see if it's allowed and if it's allowed if there's any requirements. Yeah. If you if you is there any looking into seeing what because I I agree if just PNZ say probably just P&Z. They're really the ones that going to do a lot
of pertinent work. And that's all it's all per let me rephrase that as far as zoning and they they're regularly active meeting they meet that and then you you've got the coastal groups also kind of active pretty active right so yeah
let's talk about this more later yeah so in general it wouldn't be we can make it broad um but focus on py okay sounds good and that is all I
So, um, oh, wait a minute. Did didn't we appoint him to a meeting that we needed to have another vote on or something? What was that meeting? Oh, um, well, couple things on board. So, yeah. Have you have you resigned from board of
adjustment? Okay, that needs to happen. Yesterday, send an email and get home and resign. Oh, I think it was was it and Bob is he's already on 2125, right? Lesson on
that. Don't leave the room. Yeah. Um long same line. Yeah. Um Linda has not resigned from CAC as of yet, but she's not the council representative. And again, there's no formal council representative, but I just put out there's anybody interested in because obviously that committee is on life
support at this point. Um, I think they've only got five and she was there'd be four. Um, I think a minimum has to be three or five.
Is there five, but is there is she looking at that? Is there any interest in nine on that or whatever? I don't know. Right. Nine. And I know we changed it. their core requirements is whoever's on it down to four, but I think there's a minimum size. Is there anybody
interested in being on CAC as the council lays on? No, I'm not saying I won't be, but I'd like to take a couple deep breaths after my first meeting before I Yeah. Yeah. We can talk about next time right now. Step out to the restroom. We'll take care of Yeah, if you wouldn't mind stepping out
just for a second. Yeah. So yeah, just all of you if that's something you want because we want to we want to tag that committee because there's there's a lot of good things that that committee can do for us. So we want to make sure that's moving forward. So David, I looked at it for like five years. Yeah, we have to have five to operate
and so right now we're at five. Um um and so people volunteer. Yeah. So we need encourage participation in that. Look for a motion for the Make a motion to adjurnn. Second. Have a motion to second.