Let's call Richie City Council meeting Tuesday, January 13, 2026. I'd like to invite servant leader Fields for the invitation. Remain standing for the pledge. So, uh, Father God, we just come to you in the precious name of Jesus. We just ask for wisdom for the stuff that's
going to be brought up tonight with uh agendas uh the meetings with the public as well as the mayor and city manager and stuff with the council. So there's a lot on that agenda about approving stuff
for the attorneys and then also code enforcement and codes and then the vehicles with the impounds and stuff like that. So just help us to make the right decisions which you always do and for development redevelopment and for the
other stuff that would come up also later on in the meeting with the CRA board minutes and any old business. We just thank you as we say the pledge of allegiance in Jesus name we pray. Amen. >> Amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Madam cler, please. >> Mayor Johnny Art >> here.
>> Vice Mayor Chris Mayer >> here. Councilman Robert Huard >> here. >> Councilwoman Lisa Burke >> here. >> Councilwoman Christine Sullivan >> here. >> City Attorney Nancy Meyer >> here. >> City Manager Don King >> here. Thank you. Chris, is the audio
okay for you? >> Audio is fantastic. Thank you. Christine, can you say something so I can make sure I hear you? >> Here. I can hear you just fine. >> Okay, sounds great. >> Christine on Zoom. >> Yeah. Um, so the the so the public knows
with the with the Zoom meetings if you join now, it was the audio was really bad in the past because uh the audio uh the mic was on that portable camera there. So we were able to actually incorporate the the room audio into the Zoom meeting. Um and it it's working much better now. So you should be able
to hear a little better on Zoom. So good good stuff going forward. Um let's see. We got several uh minutes to approve for tonight. I'll just go through each one set of five. Um, so I'm looking for a motion to approve the October 28th, 2025 city council meeting minutes.
>> Motion to approve the council meeting minutes >> as listed in the agenda. >> Well, 1020 to do each one separate. So >> Oh, we are. Yeah. >> 102825 mo motion to approve the 102825 city council meeting minutes. >> Second.
>> Okay. Motion second for discussion. >> Any public comment? Put a vote on favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> I. opposed. Motion carries. Next up, I need a motion to approve the November 12th, 2025 city council meeting minutes. >> So moved.
>> I got Lisa Ed move. You want second, Chris? >> Second. >> Motion second. Uh any further discussion? Any public comment? See, I put the vote on favor signify by saying I >> I >> opposed. Motion carries. Uh next up, I need a motion to approve the November
25th, 2025 city council meeting minutes. >> So moved. >> So moved. >> Okay. I got Christine. You want to second that, Chris? >> I'd love to. Go ahead. >> All right. Make a motion to second. A for discussion, any public comment. So, you want to put the vote on favor signify by saying I
>> oppose. Motion carries. Next up, I need a motion to approve the December 2nd, 2025 town hall meeting minutes. >> So, moved. >> Second. >> Okay. Motion second. Any fur discussion? Any public comment? See put a vote. All in favor signify by saying I. >> I. I.
>> I. Opposed. >> Motion carries. And finally, I must approve the December 9th, 2025 city council meeting minutes. >> They're moved. >> Second. >> Okay. Motion a second. You got there quick that time, Chris. >> I was trying to beat somebody to it.
>> Any further discussion? Any public comment? See, I put a vote on favor signify by saying I >> I >> opposed. Motion carries. Okay. Next up is comments from the general public. I do have one signed up, Danny Fields. Welcome. >> Okay. My name is Danny Fields and my
address is 8114 Leo Kid. And again, I just want to say happy new years to everybody and I I I'm glad that we got the new city manager. I wish him the best and I know that I've watched a little bit and he's a a man that wants
order and brings vision and stuff. So, that's that's a good thing projecting out and laying down the plans. But I'm really here right now also to say welcome to you and and we work as a team. Uh, of course with me, I'm a
faith-based person and and work and and do business in the city here with uniting together and we do a lot of events. So, an event that we got coming up that's going to be with uh something that I want to bring up to you guys' attention. Union's already voted on this
and kind of approved it because I want to see where we're at with Charlie Kirk. Remember you guys talked about adopting a street and naming it after him. So that's why I I like to see where we're at on that. But we are joining together
from that and uh we got an event coming up January the 24th at on 206 and it's uh together with all those are welcome with pastors dinner at 5 the doors will
open at 4 and the event will be at 6 and it's going to be at uh hosting at a holiday community fellowship church at uh 5144 Sunray Drive in Holiday, Florida 34690.
And what we're doing is we're we're uh bringing these things back. We're going to have Doug Stringanger, which is uh international out of Texas, going to be here, and he deals with disasters and reliefs, which you've heard some of that
stuff that he's done here with us and uh worked and brought relief to like Sarasota and areas that are hit. Then we also have Seth Turning Point and they they're dealing with the schools and that and the new chapter is uh Troy's uh
Peterson is working on a directory of uh turning point faith with Daniel Bernard in Tampa. And so what we're doing is we're just networking together. We are also having at light of the world tabernacle. We already started last week
training on biblical citizenship and that's at 8114 little kid and we're teaching the people about government, what it was found on, how it works, how the laws and the courts all work together. And so there's more join in this team to be a voice in the community
and in America and know how uh politics and government works and get behind all of that and getting more people even in city hall to uh to watch it online and know how it works and you know and they're they they don't know all the the
lingo of like what what is a CRA you know and then stuff like this and so we're teaching them. So, I wanted to invite you guys to that if you want to show up. And uh again, there's uh I'll just make it brief. Somebody cares, Protect Our Children, uh Freedom
Alliance, uh Patriots Academy, Club America 813, uh uh God's Youth, and a lot of other ministers. And it's it's just going to keep growing. So, thank you for your time. >> And what date was that? >> Huh? That's going to be January the 24th.
>> 24th. At what time? and it's going the doors open at 4:00 and that address again is in Holiday Community Fellowship Church, 5144 Sunray Drive, Holiday, Florida and the zip there is 34690. Thank you.
>> Thanks, Danny. That's all the signups that I have. By showing hands, anyone else like to speak? Deon, welcome. >> Deon Aaron, 5414 Bay Boulevard. Don, welcome. Glad you're glad you're here. Thank you. >> Um, wanted to say also that uh Brian
Burke property is looking looking pretty good. So, I'm glad to see some some movement there and some some new things happening. That's very exciting. And we obviously don't know what's to come of that, but you know, progress is progress and we're we're I'm really excited about that. Looks a lot better. So, that's
good. Um, I wanted to uh Well, I always got a lot of things on my mind here, but um Don's here. super happy about that. Um, we we seem to have a problem with keeping city managers around, which is a tough deal and I understand, you know,
it's a tough it's a tough situation to have that position. Um, but um, you know, I think um, trusting the people we hire is really an important thing and letting them sort of manage and lead that that position. um and not micromanaging them, you know, through,
you know, various, you know, meetings and putting pressure on the person and being involved with every little thing that the person does. Um, you know, basically what I'm what I'm I won't even around the bush. Mr. Mr. Eric, love you. You're a great great gentleman. Um, you
need to let this man do his job. I know you got your key card and you you know you like buzzing in the back and all that stuff, but that is not um that is not really like the role for you, you know, in this in this government and what we have going on here. We don't have a strong mayor setup. Um you know,
I know you mean well, but if you have to micromanage the person that you hire, you got the wrong person. That's period of the story. And that, you know, you'll learn that through managing people over time. Um, but if you got to micromanage and sit on people, you got to fire him because they're the wrong people. Um,
you got to let this man do his job. Okay. So, I'm so I'm asking you, Eric, that, you know, and I'm I'm not running for mayor. I don't want to run for mayor. I've been asked to run for mayor. I don't want to do that. Um, but uh you need to let this man do his job, you know, and also too, if if you're going to keep this key card, everybody needs
to have a key card or you guys need to figure out that policy cuz that was a mistake that Andy made because Andy wasn't thinking properly. Um, but and it's no disrespect to you, you you you're trying to do your job, but that is not your job. You have a you have the
same power that everybody has on this council. and um you have a ceremonial position as a mayor. We appreciate that. By the way, you do a great job at that. So, I'm not taking that away from you, but you got to let this man do his job, okay? Because it's very hard to steer a
ship when you got somebody else telling you how to steer it and do this, that, and the other. Okay? Now, if he doesn't do his job, we fire him, okay? But let the man do his job. I'm fully confident this man will do a great job. Okay? and the the key card thing needs to be talked about because you know you're
you're basically changing the form of government in the sense that you're giving one person more power on the council than everybody else. Okay. So, thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> So, uh I'm going to comment on that just because it was a lot of stuff to unpack. Um Don, how many times have I talked to
you this last week since you started? >> Once. >> Yeah. And what was that about? >> Uh your vacation. >> Yeah. So, um I don't know where you get your information from. Um we're not a strong mayor. Uh I don't run the city. City manager does that. He's counsel. Um but obviously city manager does have
conversations with individual council members. Um and that's a um that's just part of the job. Um and then obviously when um there's uh there's things that need to happen. That's a collective decision by the council and stuff comes before the council. Always has, always will. Um so there may be some
misinformation. I also comment on the key card. That was a council decision. Each one of the council members are entitled to get a key card. um the uh when when that was rolled out. Um I was the first one because I was the one that brought it up. Um I use that very judiciously. Um there are times that I
need to come in to the to the building. Um I don't abuse that and if it if it becomes an abuse, I'd be the first one to turn it back in. Um each one of us up here can have that. That was a council decision. Um we clarify that, right? Council decision. We talked about was there anything legally behind that and we made a decision that that was was
okay. Obviously, um we don't interact with staff. Um, but I can tell you there's been several times I come up here. I don't necessarily want to have to ring the bell to check my mail. Um, and take staff or S or Ashley away from their desk working to come open the door for me. I mean, obviously, if one of us wants in the building, we're going to
get in the building, right? We're all on the council. We all have a role to play. We know what that role is. Um, and it's just it's been kind of a hassle in the in the past to to deal with that. And it takes takes away from staff's time to be able to open a door for you and deal with you. there's there's, you know, not
a need for that. So, we can always discuss that further, but uh I don't think it's been a problem in the past that I'm aware of since I've had that. Matter of fact, I've I used it when I helped decorate city hall. There's nobody here. Um so, there's there's reason that I that I asked for that. Um
it isn't to push staff around. Again, I don't abuse that and I'd be the first to give it back in if that was the case. So, I appreciate your comments, but I just want to put that to rest that uh there's no bad uh no bad intent going on. So, anybody else show hands like speak? >> Danny.
>> Yeah, Danny fs 8114 legal kit. I I can't I can't. >> No. >> Okay. >> Only one time. >> I just going to say I need keys to be able to get in where I'm at. So, without it, I'm in trouble. >> I appreciate that. >> Let me in. >> Anyone else? >> Okay. That being said, I'll close public
comment, bring it back to uh council city manager. I pass it to Mr. King for his comments. Uh, a couple of notes here that I have uh for the uh council and for the uh residents. Uh, as far as the m magistrate, the uh RFP has been
requested. However, we've not received any any uh bids at this time. So, we're still continue to push out and try and find a uh a a magistrate. One of the big things that that I'm that I'm working through is I'm working with um Newport Richie and seeing if we can tie with
their magistrate. And one of the big things that that I would like to do is make sure that you know during the magistrate events that we're doing the uh um red light uh code violations and then any other items. So we we get them one day and we accomplish all the tasks that we need to do as opposed to having
several days throughout the month that that we we do this. I want to pay for once. I want to execute and get the law done. Um we're on track for city council workshop uh with uh council member Huard. We met last week to meet with uh key stakeholders for the waterfront. Uh
we're in the uh process right now of uh setting up a uh a working group and we're looking to see who primary uh key attendees should be for that project and had a good conversation with them. got an executive report done on it, passed
it to C uh Council Member Hover to review to make sure that all the information collected was correct. And I council if they're interested in seeing it. >> Uh next town hall meeting uh on the 27th of January, uh Adam will be providing a
quarterly budget report and so expect that he's going to be more involved with providing you guys update on on the budget so that you guys have great visibility on it. uh because I think that's I think that's a big big issue item uh as we move forward with where
we're at with funds. Uh question I have for for the council. Is there any events that are ongoing the week of the 27th of January that would cause us to readjust the council meeting at this time?
>> This the second one in January. >> Yeah. Um, I'll be in Tallahassee for that following week. So, I won't be here. Okay. Um, that'd be the only thing. So, but >> the question I have is, do we want to reschedu for the 29th?
>> That's the Thursday. >> Yes. >> Well, >> I'm flying that day. I won't be able to do that. >> Who's going to Tallahassee? >> You said you're going. So well that's I have to bring up my comments but the but next week it's Tallahassee but the
Florida League of Cities Florida mayors they have legislative action days the week after that I'll be there for that as well for the for the mayor events. Um so I won't be able to do council unless I drive back like I did last year which that's that's an opportunity too I can drive back for it but if you guys want
to reschedule it even be better but >> um I mean I don't have a problem but >> rescheduling or keeping you on the 27th. So >> says he can't be here on the 29th. No, I can be here. >> Oh, you will be you can be here at 29th. >> No, I said I can be there on the 27th.
>> Oh, on 27th. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Any issues with other council members? >> I mean, Eric, we can run a meeting without you if you want to be in Tallahass while we're here, you know. >> Yeah. No, and I I don't have a problem with I just I didn't I didn't have the ask. I'm not sure why it
>> I just want to make sure there wasn't any other council member that was involved with it so that we were pulling. >> Yeah. I don't think anybody else is going for the legisl legislative action day. So, >> so we'll go ahead and keep it for the 27th and we'll move forward with that. Uh the park master plan will be briefed on the 27th uh this upcoming uh
meeting. Uh through February, the council will receive a 30% engineer brief uh basically for uh a council update, give you guys some information, feedback on what and where we're currently at with that. uh reminder and
this reminder is for everybody and pushed out into the community. Uh election notices will will be uh provided 11 through uh 17 February. However, the qual for the qualifying period. However, if you if you want to
come in and see Ashley now, the the city clerk, she can start you on the process with the paperwork to get that started if if if you are available and want to do that. Um, let me see. Autodraft. I want to talk
about that. I know there's been some questions from the council on what's the status with it. And I think you guys have been getting bad information on that. One, we're not done. Um, and and and we're the ones responsible for not providing the paperwork and the receipts
and everything that need to go to uh the auditing company in order for them to help clear our books. Um what we're projecting is that no later than 19th January it will be complete and at Tallahassee. So I gave him I gave him next week to be well the end of this
week to be complete but uh on a safe bet I said hey let's just drag it out to the 19th just in case there's any hiccups with the work the stuff you're working on at this time. >> What was the date that sanctions were going to be applied for that? >> I think I think I think they're already applied. >> Well no I think it was 18th or 19th.
>> Yeah. Yeah, I'd like to have that. >> And and I'm pushing him hard for it. Um the problem that we're having is is is for the $500,000 that's unaccounted for, we're having a hard time finding the paperwork to account for it for the audit. So that's where we're at.
>> Okay. And then >> did you want to expand on that? Any that was first I heard of $500,000. >> Most things >> most of the invoices have been accounted for. So it's already been turned into Adam. So he's just, you know, >> he's supposed to loop on it, move move
on it and send that back up. So most of them have been accounted for and uh and and located. There was a list that the auditors went ahead and sent us uh I believe it was just last week. So we we scrambled to get to locate the invoices that tied into the amounts that they
were searching for. >> So if you could explain how that happens, >> how we acquired that, >> how we misplace that invoice as well. >> Well, it's not about missing. It's just they will request they'll randomly go through amounts >> and select that. So those were the you
know and like I said I'd have I have to defer to Adam when it comes to this but from what I was informed is that there was a specific list um I think it was no more than um maybe a dozen dozen or so invoices that had to be tracked >> and located for those specific amounts.
So I don't have that list with me but >> from my perspective it wasn't a long list. From my perspective, it's a process issue in the way in which we purchase, get receipts, report it back to the finance officer because what I'm used to is if you want to go buy something,
whatever amount it is, you put in a purchase request. Purchase request gets approved, you go out, buy the item. After you buy that item, you immediately provide the receipt. The receipt and all that goes straight to the finance manager so they can put it in a box, keep it recorded. I think in some
instances people went out and bought and then provide the uh the receipts back and I think what we had to do is do for those receipts is well I get that $500,000 is not >> divided by 12 would be over the spending
limits of it without council approval. >> Was it a one one purchase at 500,000? >> No, it was multiple multiple so >> and I guess a whole lot of them then. >> Yeah. So what so what we're doing is we're correcting that. So for council to let you know that we won't have that issue again. I've talked to him about
you know the processes we're going to work. He's meeting with me next next week and we're going to have a long discussion about hey these are the procedures that I want in place to be able to manage how we spend so that we keep accountability for every dollar that we have because I'm a big stickler for every penny that we have because
every penny counts. >> Yeah. Sure. >> And the last piece I'd like to give a pat on the back to our our police chief. He was able to get a grant from Tampa uh for 30 $32,000 and we're looking at the best way to invest that for the
community and he's coming up with some options and uh we'll bring you up to speed on what those options are. >> Wow. >> So, and and the big thing just so that and one of the reasons I want to make you aware of it because they're doing a presentation on >> Thursday,
>> Thursday. And if they happen to be holding the check while the pictures are being taken, I don't want anybody to be surprised. And all I want you guys to do is give a pat on the back when you see them and you see that the article. So it's a positive thing for Fort Richie and I think she's been doing a fantastic answer. Absolutely. Is that Thursday? Is
it here at Chambers or >> No, it's actually in PK County. It's coming from the CF State of Florida. >> Cool. >> Fantastic. >> And then the last piece I have is is I'm working annexation. Um, I' I' I've grabbed grabbed a hold of a lawyer for
discussion. I haven't contracted, haven't done anything, but I've had open conversations. The reason I'm talking to a specific lawyer is because they sit right beside the uh Pasco County uh land board director that's going to be involved with that process. And as of
right now, if you allow me to move forward once I provide you the annexation plan that I have in mind, it's it's it's it's small chunks, but it's going to be big return. And so I think that'll be a good faith
on the annexation because it'll increase our revenue and it will provide us an opportunity for uh community development by one of our one of our partners out there. So I look forward to uh engaging with both of them as we move
forward with these projects because like I said um the people that I've been meeting with are on the team and what I want to do is make sure that I'm developing that relationship with them. So, you'll see me in and out running places to make sure
that I'm keeping up with them to uh to to take advantage of opportunity. So, I thank those that are working with me. Thank you very much. And um we'll go from there. That's all I have, sir.
Thank you. Okay. Next up is agenda item number two, January 13, 2025. Look for a motion. Oh, I'm sorry. Let me back that up. I skipped over comments from boards committees. So, and I do have some com any other boards committees. I think uh
I'll let you go first for the CRA or C CAC. >> CAC. >> Yeah. Sorry, but >> that's okay. >> I'll give you >> it was it's on the other page and I just there's one thing on the >> Not a problem. You don't have to. That's fine. Linda Rodriguez, 5917 Lantern Court. So, you know that we've been
working on the wall, murals for the wall. Um, understand that the meeting previously there's been a little hiccup in the wall, but I'd still like to present to you guys what we've done so far. Um, that hiccup hopefully will be
addressed and fixed. Do you have the stuff or did they have the >> the copies of the stuff? Um, we had asked for four artists for proposals. We did receive three. We just reserve re um received the third one today. Um but the other two were presented to CAC last
Thursday. So after you get those, I'd like to because I'd really want your direction to take a peek at these and kind of give us direction as to where you want us to go. Um we did not put prices in here
because honestly I want to know, not I, the committee. When I say I, I say the that we want to know the direction without the price being the main driver of that. The price, you will get the price and and absolutely and you can
change your mind. You guys make the rules, but um we just kind of wanted to know the direction y'all wanted to go in. So, if you want to do the wishing wall, she presented first. So, we'll just go in that order. The wishing wall presentation. Um this young lady lives in Holiday. Um,
she I met with her at Olner and I showed her you remember the the poster boards I showed to you guys. So, I showed them to her. Um, and she looked at the wall. If you look, she wrote everything out, but
we'll just look at the pictures because they're pretty. They're all pretty. Um, she did what we did. She started with the Indian and went on and very detailed at some point. If you look on the
bottom, we had originally said put like welcome to Olner Park at the beginning of the wall. Well, she changed that and put it on the bathroom wall, which I think is is a much better um better idea. And those were her suggestions. Um
because of Mo Martha Oln you know being in the early 1900s I had asked for like a Victorian type thing and that's what she gave us. Um now she did give us a proposed three proposals. Um if you look on the next
page the pelican you can see tier three two and one. And of course three tier being more um complicated it would be it would be more money but that would be a decision you guys >> So you guys saying content less detail
>> correct? Yeah. Yeah. Yes. This the content would be the exact same. It would be less detail but that would be a decision y'all want you know would go. She also put in there um the material and the summary and so on and so forth. Um and then she did on the last second to last page I think. Yeah, second to
last page. She gave a couple examples of her work in the past. She did put the one of the fresco just so you could see that she does do detail um human form. >> Yes, that's really nice. >> Yeah, there all three proposals are all
really nice. You're going to like all three of them, but they have they have different viewpoints because artists, right? They they they you go in different directions. So, um, that's the way it works. >> Mayor, what I found interesting because I sat in with the media is that the
artist on this one >> went back and dug into our history. You know, probably knows it better than most of us at this point. >> Agreed. And if you look at uh the images on there, and I I would say if you look at Indian Hill, she actually put these structures on there because she knows that there was a hut there
>> because she's actually working with archaeologists here in the town and doing digs that kind of go after what our history is. So when she did this, she basically said, "Hey, I'm going to take it all the way through from, you know, beginning to to present day with
the different seals and the different items on there." So I thought that was very creative and with her presentation with knowledge of the city it was kind of like wow I actually learned something during her brief. Yeah, I mean she she did she she did the whole thing. If you do look that first row after the Indian,
she we she didn't use the Indian we used she did like just a a basic warrior Indian. Um and then she could not find she looked like a picture of the post office, but she couldn't find one. So she kind of did one. We asked to incorporate American flag in it
someplace as we did in in our posters. And so she put it at the post office. Um she changed the picture. Martha Olner, she found a different one. There were only two that she, you know, one that we showed everybody and then she found this one. Um, and then she put the centennial
seal. You see how she incorporated incorporated that into that. So, um, and yeah, she was she is very into archaeological and historical and she was very excited. So, but that's one viewpoint. >> Now, is this is this representative? Is
this is exactly how this just sketch? Say it again, Eric. >> Is it So, is it what we see here? As I it's colored and and all that. Is that basically what it's going to look like as it's panned out? This is the kind of the color scheme she selected or is that this just kind of >> I think this is what her vision was, but
of course, whichever artist you do choose, you have, you know, Yeah. You know, you guys have input. If it she doesn't think artistically it's going to work, I'm sure she would tell you. Or any either any of the artists, if they don't think it's going to work, they're going to let you know. I would hope. I
mean know this is their work and they're going to be obviously very proud of it and and they wanted to be um representative of what you want but it also has to represent them. So it'll >> one of the items that we discussed within the county two seals >> maybe dropping the one to the left and
keeping the centennial one where it's at because it actually you know it's actually on the wall. >> That's really the way that they incorporate is really >> Yes. >> sharp. Yeah. >> So that would be something if if this is >> Yeah. like take the the seal out and leave just the centennial and then the
and then the new finding one at the end. If you see right past the pelican, she put the new finding one in there. >> Yeah. Or shrink it down to like they did the new seal or whatever. I think it's still important part of the history. But >> those are all details I'm with any one of these proposals, I'm sure. And those are all, you know, details in the devil's in the details. So, um that's
something that you can we can discuss with them. >> Okay. Nice. Okay. Um, the next artist was seven 57 Heaven Airbrush. Um, I don't have a it's not all written like this, but you can see
he presented us with sketches um of the same things. They're not in order. It's, you know, the the Indian is here. That would be first and then the second first page would be >> okay. >> Um, but he also did that, but that's a different concept, right? It's a little
bit It's a little bit different. And then he did like the 50s, welcome to Port Richie, almost like a neon sign thing, but painted. And then um >> let's make sure signs in our sign code. >> He did the Port Richie on the the last
page. >> So you can see it's a it's that they're great great pictures, just a total different concept. So that's why I wanted to still bring it to you so you can see the concepts and think about this and and we can go from there. Adonis from US US19 sign. You all see
his signs as we go by Walmart uh Sam's Club rather. So what he did was um he's able to do this more artistically. But what he took did is took our pictures and kind of just put it on the wall. He's able to do he's here if you have
any questions. >> Um but he's able to draw all this. He will give us a proposal with we've all seen his work, but I asked him to give us examples of it in here and so on and so forth. Um, so I know we have a hiccup with the
wall. I heard we will work on that. >> Yeah. And I don't see >> want this to stop because really truthfully, you know, I mean, you know, we've been working on this year and a half, almost two years. >> Votes on this >> to get the votes are really great. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. that with with that hiccup and
just the public knows it's uh evidently we we may not own the wall. Uh so obviously we can't paint a wall we don't own. Um and if we were to paint a wall we don't own and the owner actually decides he wants to paint over that not be a good thing. So um we definitely got to work that out. So that's obviously going to provide some port of amount of
a delay there which unfortunate but uh we'll actually do the best can to rectify that >> but we can still work on that and >> yeah but I think we can >> same time as we work on this and then hopefully it'll all merge together at the same time. Yeah know I know I'm dreaming big but whatever.
>> Dream big roll with that. >> It's the way I roll. >> That's right. These these are great. And I would also like to offer I did not ask the artists. I can ask he's right here. But um if you have any questions, I would more than be
willing to ask them to come the three of them at the same time so they could um answer any questions or if you have any questions and ideas, suggestions, whatever. Um the prices are ranging from 10,000 to 32,000.
Um I did have a resident after last meeting when I presented the poster boards. He he did um offer to help a little bit. I didn't didn't I don't know if $10 or a million dollars. I didn't ask, but um he there was an offer on the table. Um
so we might be able to do that. So I don't know if you all want to look at sponsorships. I know you did it with the Centennial. I don't know if that's possible. That would be a question for Nancy. Um so I don't know, you know, you know, donations and you know, putting their name on the wall and giving them credit. you know, how we want to do
that, if we even want to do that. Do we want this just to be I know the CRA does have money. Do we just want this to be a city sponsored thing and not rely on on um donations? That's up to you guys. But I also wanted to put that out there that maybe we can look into that or just make
it city, you know, city driven. >> So then you guys have, you know, >> you guys get all the credit. So, >> so procedurally, >> do we do we need to formalize a a a bid on each one of these and bring it back as an agenda item or just for consensus
and we want to kind of continue to move the thing forward or >> you're at the point that a decision needs to be made of what to go forward. So, I'd make it an agenda item, invite the the artist and anyone else that wants to come. >> Well, we have the we have the bids. I have this the the numbers. Sal can help
me with that. >> Agenda item bring the full >> Okay. >> proposals forward and then we can >> put the numbers and all the other information. >> Okay. >> Is there anybody opposed to moving forward? >> Would you guys like to us to schedule it for the 27th of January?
>> The next week? Yeah, that'll be fine. I think >> I know you're not going to be here, mayor, but >> Oh, I'll be here. >> Okay. I just >> Did you want to include the artists? >> That'll be >> Did you want to include invite the artists or not?
>> The next meeting >> the deadline for the 27th February isn't running. I hate to be Debbie Downer, but deadline deadlines are deadines. >> February 10th. >> February 10th.
a field exchange here. It's back up. >> No, no, no, no, no, no, no. We're in sync. Okay, we got to get We've had that discussion today. >> Of course, if he if he push I'm I'm the deadline enforcer, but if he pushes it, then I I go with what he says.
>> So, I haven't learned to read him yet, so I don't know. >> So So, so you know, the question is to council, how do you want to proceed with this? do you want to do the next meeting where you meet the artist and you get an opportunity to kind of figure out, you know, what direction you want to go and
then on the following be able to make the decision based on because arts aren't it's great, you know, um artists are great to meet and it kind of gives you a background on on on the project and it's something that, you know, you can tie and nest to whatever selection
you make because I I think, you know, the artists are deeply invested in this. Um, and I think we've got some good products, you know, to really assess and go through on on what we really want. >> Do do we want to obviously CFC's been
behind this, which is an arm or the residents or whatever. Did you guys want to do some kind of poll or whatever to kind of see what maybe the there could be >> that's a good I never thought about that. >> See what maybe the some of the residents feedback would be. >> We can put it out on this >> Facebook or something >> on the Facebook city. The first one gave
examples like of other of other >> of you mean the tears. >> What are you talking which one? >> Yeah. The the Wishing Wall studio. >> Yeah. Oh, the different tiers. Yeah. Uhhuh. >> No. Gave some examples of previous work. >> Yes.
>> Everybody's seen Adonis work, but the middle one. >> Yes. >> Is there any >> Well, yeah. And we have to get that from he he came late to the meeting unfortunately. Um, and he wasn't able to get that to us, but we will get that >> because the, you know, these aren't
final drawings. >> No, they are not. >> It's nice to see what somebody actually does. >> Yes. Yes, we we will get we will get that. >> Maybe we have like a Bob Ross paint off or something. >> Have three eagles. >> A non artist rather.
>> Um, all right. So, tell me what you want me to do. Uh well I guess also get get your proposals to staff to get on I guess February first being a February agenda. Um so we'll and >> we have them to be honest. I mean we we have them. We just didn't we wanted you
to look at this without looking at price because we want you >> honestly we don't really want price to dictate it. That's our opinion. >> But if price dictates that's your you know that that's that's your call. But we wanted you to look in this and see the three different options. And we wanted you to kind of like say, "Yeah, I
like this option." And the, you know, >> and and I like the method because it it forces you to choose what you want >> without looking at the price, >> without, you know, tying yourself to a price because at the end of the day, once we put this on the wall, that's going to be Port Richie's right.
>> What do we want Port Richie to look like? What do you want? I mean you're you're the you're the you know the future seers. So what do you want us to be known for in 25 years from now and looking >> it's going to be a piece to the part legacy. Yeah. >> That night that's bring it all forward
on the next meeting and I'd invite the artist just in case there's questions or whatever. And >> okay >> and u >> so the 20 uh no the February >> February 10th >> February 10th >> that's the month away. So that should be that you know >> you know we will be a little closer to some kind of >> Yeah. and and we can work on getting,
you know, the the the part with the wall, right? >> Yep. >> In the meantime, >> maybe they'll help even more clear, >> right? >> You know. >> Okay. I appreciate it. Thank you all very much. >> Thanks for all your hard work. >> I just want to clarify something. Um we've talked about doing the you know
the bathroom more with the with the welcome. Um we kind of want to move forward with that because it's it's very, you know, it's inexpensive as compared to the entire mural. And you know, if you look on this page here at the bottom of what that would look like, and this is a large version of that. Um,
>> can we get a sample from the other two? >> Uh, well, we can get a sample from the other two if you want us to hold off on that. But we will really >> you want to move forward and do the the bathroom? >> Yeah, the bathroom wall, you know, and because I mean that's it's our bathroom that's on city property. Um, public works going to go, you know, is going to
go ahead and prep the wall and prepare it. Um, but we, you know, uh, the city manager, it's it's well within city manager's perview as far as purchase >> and we're really interested in doing at least a welcome like a welcome to Oser Park on that wall because it's it's the
wall as you see as you pull into the park. So, we really wanted to at least do that while we're working on this two-sided issue with the with the wall itself, you know, um between talking to the artists and and working on the legality of maybe either getting, you
know, obtaining the wall or getting permission from the owner or whatever we have to do to approach that. Um, and I've already conferred with the city attorney on that. There are options to to move forward with that. So, we're going to explore those options, but we kind of want to move forward with the bathroom wall. um only because with the
with the tennis work that we're doing, we just did the roof to Ozer Park, uh public works is going to revitalize the beach area. Um and then we're also thinking of paving uh not paving, but uh resealing that parking lot, painting new lines, kind of like refurbishing and
revitalizing that park um so we can move on to the to the other ones. So this wall would be really pop as far as like entering that park. >> So a couple things. So obviously this this particular one is is is kind of the
same um is themed with the the drawing. >> Yeah. >> Whereas it wouldn't necessarily match up with the other ones. And so I think we should probably um have each one based on that what you know what they have here develop a older park bathroom sign
and we can move forward on that separately. But I think we should >> that that's what I was going to say. Why don't we Why don't um I I'll contact the one that I and then Donna see we'll ask the third person to submit a
>> part wall bathroom wall. >> Yeah, because that was kind of her her afterthought, I guess, that she wanted to pull that off and put it on the bathroom. Yeah, great idea. >> It was a That's what I'm saying. And >> maybe they would kind of just be asked to follow the same suit. Hey, pull out something welcome to park out of yours
and kind of design for that. that kind of matches your theme. >> What we'll do is we'll contact them and have them send that. We'll we'll give a a date, a deadline um so that we can get that with a price um >> and then we can present that on the the
the February meeting. >> Of course, if we have a if we have a benefactor that's going to um try somebody's going to maybe help with the cost um you know, we don't want to spend our money if they're going to take care of it for us too or portion up. So,
so we'll have that brass plaque for the names, the donations, platinum. >> Yeah, there you go. Something like that, right? >> People like their name on plaques. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> So, we'll we'll contact them and we'll get that, you know, I'll give like two
weeks, you know, week because we're not due till February, so you got a little bit of time. So, give them time to fit it into their schedule to >> Yeah. And I guess too going back to the the the theme thing. If you have if you have select one for the theme, then you're almost kind of bought into the the other wall, too. So,
>> but you still want to see that with the other, you know, you know, you might like this, but not like that. You might like the sign, you know, the bathroom, but not >> I'm just thinking, do we do we make the decision on what we want? >> I would I move forward on the bathroom first, but we I don't want to select and
maybe we could maybe select one for the bathroom and somebody else for the wall. I don't know what that but if we're doing you know they're going to kind of flow in a theme or whatever you don't want to put hers on the wall and then choose Adonis for the wall. I >> I would suggest doing it all >> the artists get selected and then they they move forward on the bathroom first.
>> I want to see what the wall on the bathroom would look like. >> Right. Exactly. >> So it would all be together. Um and maybe we don't get the wall. Maybe we can't get it for legal purposes. I don't know. And but at least we have >> Right. The bathroom for sure. >> Bathroom done. >> Yeah. Let's I think that's a good
approach. just kind of have them put that together and then bring it all to the next meeting and or the February meeting and >> and with that while we're waiting on the wall able to get that one artist or artist rendition on there. I think that'd be a big win for the community because they'll go in there and say, "Hey, look at Older Park." >> Absolutely.
>> It's it's it's coming together. >> Cool. Any other porch committees before I do mine? Okay. So, I got a few things actually. So, the let's start with the event committee. Um,
so we obviously we've set the dates uh for the seafood festival which is going to be on March 14th. That's a Saturday. It may be a March 14th, March 15th, Saturday, Sunday. Um, we originally thought about doing a whole weekend and then we just scaled it back to the
Saturday, but with the information I'm about to provide to you, um, and we're going to talk about it in our meeting on Thursday, um, it may grow to be a little bit bigger. And so I'll tell you a little about that. So, I've had some conversations. Um, evidently, um, our
area off off the the Gulf here is is like probably the best, uh, kite surfing environment in the United States. Uh, talking to uh, the uh, Shane Senior that lives out there and actually he was uh, enticed to come here from some of his
friends and he bought the place and he he's a big kite surfer and he that's what he does is day in day out events and whatever. and uh in his opinion, it's the best in in the United States and and competes well up there in other places too. And so as I'm talking to him, I said, "Well, you know, that's sounds like something we need to market
here in the city." Um and and I told him about our seafood festival and and of course he's all excited about trying the thing with kite surfing is that you got to have wind, right? And so you can't necessarily plan a date because it might not be able to happen from from a from a
environment perspective. So, right? So, um, his thought was, and he's he's willing to kind of, um, kind of move forward on that aspect of it to plan a kite surfing event. It may coincide with that particular weekend or maybe the weekend before or afterward, some somewhere around there, we would have a
a kite surfing event, >> competition. >> Yes. And he said it'd be easily two 300 kiters out there. Um, so that's really exciting. Um, and so he's he's he's got a contact that puts these things on or whatever, and he's willing to move on that. So obviously we'll we'll talk at the committee level to but I think
that's a great idea. The other aspect of it we talked about was uh we had the steel homes and from the kite surfing event um the original thought was is we could set up um each each uh uh steel house could have a different like a barbecue a band on one and they would
kind of have these stops or whatever and and the public could also kind of uh participate as well. Um, and then we kind of morphed that into uh a poker run. And poker run was basically um a lot of times they do them on motorcycles. They stop at bar to bar,
they get a card, and at the end whoever has the best poker hand wins some things and and stuff like that. It's pretty popular thing. They do it with boats. Um Patty Durmer, also resident, lives out there. Um she knows most of the the owners of Still Homes. And so what we were uh talking about and they also have
um they've moved into kind of the digital age where they they post a QR code. You scan a QR code that gets you your card. Okay. And so as you at the end you develop your poker hand and and this is not gambling poker. This is just the game. It's a poker ride.
>> It's a poker that you wiggling over there. Um so but anyway the um they would you each station you would you pick up your next card in in the hand or whatever and and um you talk to Larry reach out to Larry to see if he was interested from the the charter perspective for the folks that
didn't have boats or whatever. He could charter people out there and they participate as well and so that could be scheduled obviously with the with the seafood festival. And so we're going to talk about that but it could be a really large event that we want to do every year that would be kind of our signature event here in the city. So just want to kind of plant that
>> seed time though. It is it's very aggressive. But uh again the the key to making events successful which we found out with the uh our centennial events is that you got to have people participate. And um from from our perspective um alo
we're going to have some stuff going on. We'll probably get some music. Um some >> shoe on hold. >> Yeah. And um and so the the chamber has has been doing I'll get to that in a minute, but uh monthly market and their monthly market would be on that same
day. So they would be kind of the vendor aspect of it. They had the food trucks and the tents and doing all that as part of the festival and the city obviously would support that with whatever we needed to do, but they would handle that. Uh Shane and his group would handle the kite surfing and then the uh Patty and and whatnot could could do the
the poker stuff. So we we got some individuals that can help kind of put this together. >> The main body of it at Waterfront, >> main body of waterfront would be obviously where the the vendors and stuff would be and and we probably have some participation at the at the local uh restaurants there on the on the
Hooters, Whiskey Joe's and all of that, >> right? Because at this point, we're not really set up to do down the street, >> right? >> We can't do that yet. And there's also talk about um leveraging that uh is it um what's the island right there? Durnney Key. Yeah, Dy Ki is kind of a a
central area to gather and and whatnot. So, we got work a lot of details work out, but we've got people that are willing to engage with with resources and and uh in case you know, Patty Durmer used to um uh I think she used to run the Chesco Festival for 5 years or whatever. So, she's got lines of donors and all that and she's really excited
about helping out with that. So I think I think we can pull it off. Um it's aggressive, but uh it's it's the committee's focus for the next few months. >> Your next meeting is when? >> Thursday. So if you want to tune in that just we're going to be discussing those things. >> What's the date of the event?
>> 14th. It would be 14th and 15th potentially. Um but or just the 14th that weekend though. Um okay. So that's that. Um, >> so talk to your talk to your people about the music because
>> yeah, >> they have to you got to lock somebody in because it's already >> Yeah, that that would be the first one one thing focus of meeting would be obviously is a sponsorship act because we're going to seek sponsors and then we'll start to look at booking talent or whatever and that would be there at Waterfront Park. We probably
>> but they're already booking through the year. >> Yeah. No, it' be we'll discuss on Thursday and we'll try to get some things >> if you want to pass along the >> Did you have some ideas for that? If you want to come to meeting that'd be great, too. >> So, and we can start looking at that
because we're definitely going to need some music. >> Um, let's see that committee. Um, as you all know, I I I represent city on the uh Pasco Metropol Planning Organization. Um, I was fortunate to be appointed to the vice chairmanship of that. So, I'm now in leadership position on that
board, which is which is nice for the city. Um, I did at the meeting also ask for an update on the rideaway study um that they're doing for the Cody River Underpass. Um, they expect to have that done within the next two or three months. So, the next step we would get that back from uh the engineering group
over there at Pasco and then we would go to uh the owners of the property on both sides of that to acquire the rightway needed to make that connection. Um, so that'd be the next step in the process. And then once we have that acquired, then we'd go back and that the MO would uh uh potentially help fund if not fund
all of it uh to make that connection happen. Um, so that's very much alive. It's it's a very much priority for the the NO. Um, it it it used to be a top priority. It kind of fell down a list and now it's I think it's back up to number five or six on the unfunded project list. So once we get that right
away worked out, uh, that's going to um, start to move. So that's exciting. Um, and then one last thing, I also represent city on the Tampa Bay Region Planning Council. Um, they have their annual resiliency summit that is coming
up. Um, I know several folks went last year. The early bird registration for that summit um ends on January 31st. is 350 is early bird price uh for public and nonprofit se public and nonprofit
seprofit sectors. Um and then the admission cost is 400 normally and a day of is 500. Um so I give it I don't if you're aware of that or not but um I think um several staff members went um Derek probably knows about it. He was heavily involved in it. Um okay because
I sit I was also appointed on that um on that committee. Um Peter Alman Newport Richie was the chair time. He recommend I be um appointed to the coalition uh steering committee. So I'm on that as well. Um so my my admission is is
included. So um anybody else wants to go it's it's 350 if you get it by January 31st. And that summit date is May 14th and 15th at the Palmetto Marriott Resort.
So I do have I think I have now we we got a kind of a agenda draft. They're working on the keynote speakers and all that uh now. But um the first day um just give you an idea kind of
what to talk about uh economic resilience and workforce development, innovative technologies, education and training resources. Um there's innovation showcase with with technology and I think they're planning on having breakouts where we can actually go and kind of play around with that technology. um infrastructure
system solutions, uh adaptive funding solutions in changing times, and then regional food systems resilience through collaboration, innovation, and then uh day two they have county administrator portion that does county state of
resilience and planning and policy innovation, emergency management innovation, and then the close. They have some awards too that they get out. So, it's it's a pretty good summit. It's grown every year. So if you guys are interested
and I think that is well I will say one more thing on the event side of it from the Centennial Committee. Um as you all well where we um uh we put the Centennial rum out there the limited edition 100 bottles. Um I talked to Mike
Low. They have 21 left um before they're gone. And obviously we're waiting on uh those so we can take that money and and donate that to the the charity which is a segue into um where are we at on the
city's ability to uh redirect money to nonprofits or whatever. >> Okay. >> So together I thought we had direction on that. Is there any objection to having Nancy look at uh putting that policy together because we need it for that for
one. Uh the second thing we need is the one of the other events that the the city puts on is the uh the mayor's ball and we're going to um do that sometime in September I think is what we're looking at and it's going to be um uh to recognize and we we're thinking
about theming it every year. Um and this this next year would be um to honor first responders and we're thinking about coupling it with the tunnel to towers organization and supporting them. Um great organization. I've been to several of the the um uh dedication ceremonies they have in there. They got
a development in Pasco um that's it's really amazing. They just opened their community center. Um so I've got some contacts with those guys and I'd like to kind of honor first responders at that event and um proceeds with them go to that Tones Towers organization. So >> yes, >> which
um when we had a preliminary discussion about um the funneling money into nonprofit, it has to benefit the city directly. So we need to pract talk about how that would work out with a national organization >> discussing it. Yes. So anyway, um see
anything else on advance. So on the on the rum, if we could have a repost telling people to it's only 21 bottles left, please go out and get there so we can close that out. Um because they have it in their seller and I'm going to see if Mike maybe wants to
put it out in a display so people see it. I want one of those because right now it's just kind of whoever saw it on Facebook. So if you want it, go get it. And I think that's all I have for you. That was a long, was it?
>> You did pretty good. >> I talk fast. >> It wasn't great, but it was pretty good. >> Thanks. Um, >> you're learning. >> Okay. Any other boards, committees? Moving on to the consent agenda. I need a motion for the January 13, 2025
consent agenda. >> Motion to approve simultaneous. >> Chris, I got your motion. Do I have a second? Second. >> Okay. Motion to second. Any further discussion? Any public comment? Seeing none, I put to vote. All in favor
signify by saying I. >> I. >> I. >> Opposed. Motion carries. Uh, next up is council business. Item number three, city attorney bid discussion and approval. Uh, pass it to Mr. King for introduction. Um, as if uh everybody's aware, I did
provide a uh executive summary um reference um the two different companies, you know, pros and cons to help you guys, you know, make a well- educated decision. Um, and what I did is
I I I excluded cost because what I wanted you to compare was um ability, depth, breadth, and then just coverage, you know, for for us. And then
a few items, you know, I kind of address is like, you know, uh, relationships and and where those relationships are so that you guys when you sit down and you look at it, I don't know if everybody read it, but at the end of the day, I
think it was very thorough and hopefully you got something out of it, those that have read it. And so hopefully it'll help with your decision today or help direct you to uh maybe another course of action if you want to move that direction also. Okay.
And we do have uh represent from both we had three firms respond. One firm dropped out to those law firm uh pulled their uh their proposal and so we we have um TRA is here obviously and um as well as 17 law firm if you have any
questions here. >> Yeah. And would you guys maybe want to hear a pitch or anything from either one of them to kind of start us off or >> I wanted to share for those that don't know um Tom Tras and Eric Jello Eric Jeller are here with the firm. Jay Daniel tried to be here but he got stuck in a meeting at somewhere else. So just
want to let you know they were here. >> Okay. >> So we think you want to hear from them or you just want to open up the floor for discussion? I'm >> I'm ready to make a motion. >> Okay. I'd like to make a motion to uh
extend the contract of TR diagonal. >> Okay. Well, it would be extend. It would be a new contract. >> Say a new contract for T. >> Okay. >> Okay. Motion a second. Any further discussion? Okay. See uh seeing none, I'll open up
to uh public for comment. Any comment from the public? >> Okay. Seeing none, I'll put the vote. All in favor signify by saying I. >> I. I >> I >> opposed. Motion carries. Uh next up, thanks for coming, Gavin. Appreciate you coming. >> And Tom, appreciate you coming.
>> Thank you very much. >> Uh next up, item number four, first reading of ordinance number 26-740, City Porty Code 101-11, definitions and chapter 121, signs. I'll pass that to Mr. King for deduction. One of the things that uh we discussed
is as we as we're moving forward for the uh the amen for the for the signs is um is is looking at what we want to develop as far as the uh I guess the
branding of Port Richie and the ma in the matter in which want to be represented. As everybody's probably seen, there's pro there's there's there's actual um uh products that have been replicated
for view. Um I think all of them are are pretty acceptable and and meet the intent of what we want. Uh the only thing that I've asked in the process of this is being able to put u are we talking signs? >> Wrong. I think you're talking about the wayfinding signs for
>> this is the sign code for the >> for the council for ordinance and I can take over if you'd like. >> Yeah, please. >> Sorry. >> I'm sorry. We talked about it so much today that I >> Yeah, you you'll get there. >> Hold that thought. N I'll let you introduce. >> So, first I'm going to read um the ordinance by title and then everyone get
your pens and pencils out because we have a as you know a lot to to go through real quick. Ordinance number 26-740, an ordinance of the city of Port Richie, Florida, amending city code section 101-11 definitions and chapter 121 signs to remove or revise outdated
or preemptive provisions and to ensure compliance with prevailing first amendment case law to provide for additional definitions related to signs to reorganize sections of the chapter for clarity and consistency making related findings providing for codification severability and an effective date. Now, with all that, the
version in the agenda is the the version four codification. I tried to highlight um things that were changed from you guys. There's been a lot of changes throughout the whole process. Um some of the highlights didn't make it, so I'm just going to kind of try to walk you through each section. Um with the draft
that I believe you received by email earlier from Ashley to kind of show you some of my comments and explain why some are moving. >> So, the one in email is different. the the one in the email is is yes, there's some there's some comments. It's for the most part it's the same other than the one section that we completely moved to
a different section because I wanted you to see that in in the process. Um but I will direct you to the pages and tell you what to look for. >> Let me give me a second. That was from Ashley. >> Yes, I think a week ago. >> Yeah, I remember seeing it. So, pull that one up.
There we go. Okay, everybody else got it. >> So, um, looking going to give you the page numbers of the ordinance you see in your agenda. Um, if you look at page 97,
there's a couple highlights on there. >> You're jumping way. >> Oh, look. Well, that's there's a long a lot of whereas clauses and and I wasn't gonna I was only going to address the things you guys specifically talked about at the last meeting >> that you wanted to remove. >> 96 has colors.
>> It has a lot of colors. Let me >> So, you want us to go to 97? >> The section number section 121-3 >> yellow highlighting. >> Yes. >> Yes. Both of those. >> That's if you're looking at the document from page 13. >> Page 97. So, uh, and we can we can go to
each each color change, but most of that you've already looked at, approved, and we've moved past it. So, I didn't want to take you through the whole thing. So, we would really be here till tomorrow, right? So, >> you want me to throw this up on the screen? >> It's up to you. I have I have it. It's up to you. It's It's on both of them. It's just I have some comments on mine. >> Hey, S. Let me try to share this real
quick. You may need to do something. >> Yeah, she hasn't got it. >> Practice your clerk skills. Heard his back. >> Huh? He hurt back. >> Oh, you tell me that. >> Sam, you heard your back today?
>> Huh? >> You good? Heard your back today? >> I heard it back. I just shared it. I just allowed it. >> Oh, okay. This way public can Chris can follow along too. That should be sharing. You just need to
move the make this big. Can you expand? So, we're on chapter 121. You want to go to the highlighting, right? >> 1213. >> Yes. >> And these are sign specifically prohibited. >> Yes. So with within that section, things
that you did differently that had that had been done before, um we clarified that on the now number three signs other than sandwich signs as defined in section 121417 um can be can be can be cannot be placed
on the sidewalk or curve. And I'm going to actually make sure that 121417 is correct because I think that might be an old section number, but we'll double check that. Um, so that's just like we wanted to tweak that that there is it signs are prohibited on the sidewalk or curb except for the sandwich signs as you allow in a different provision of
the code. Um, you removed swing signs from this list. You removed bench signs located on private property. You added permanent in front of inflatable signs. And I did notice on the new number 10
window signs that um which do not comply with section 12149. 12149 changed to 12177. So I will update that. Okay. The next page >> that will remove poll signs.
>> You removed pole signs. You added permanent to portable signs. They're allowing temporary just not permanent portable signs. you removed um Festoons. Not sure what that is, but you added >> Festoons. That's the guys that you know
I had a quick little story about Fes science that I really like actually. You know, you seen the tax guy that kind of floats like this or whatever. Well, it's been in Brazil for last couple weeks or whatever. And it's >> also a lighting fixture. >> What's that? >> It's also a lighting fixture.
>> A lighting fixture. >> Oh, right, right, right, right. >> Electric. >> That's correct. It is. Oh. >> Um, but they actually had I think they've had them here too, but uh at some of the the like the where they replace tires, um they had the uh the blowup guy and just his arm was doing this. >> Yeah.
>> So bringing them in. It was had one side of the road was this guy's doing this. It was kind of funny. >> Okay. Um on number 20 new 21 we just added except is otherwise provided within the land development code um to make it clear
that you you have some other language later about the rightway that you tweet. So we're making it clear that prohibited unless it's provided somewhere else. Um, okay. What you don't see on this page is that you see on the the draft the draft that I sent uh a week or so ago is we
have removed um commercial mascots and commercial message signs. That was something that was added by attorney. You guys have removed that. So, you don't see it stricken because it it's not in your current code, but it's gone from the draft that was provided. >> Gotcha.
>> Okay. And this is what makes it a little bit more confusing on the the cut the version in your agenda. Section 1214 is now shows shows reserved because that is the one that we moved completely to a different section um in the code. It's
now section 12116. And if we could go there I like to >> so I so on the the one in the email that I have >> that still shows it and if you could see my comments I think you're too big to see my comments. It tells you on the side that this is that's being moved. >> Oh, the whole Oh, there go
>> 1216. >> 12116 >> which is on page. >> You want to skip that for now? Keep going. >> We're going to go to to that in its new form which is at 12116. Okay. >> So, I want to make sure we captured all the changes you wanted there which I show is starting on one page 114
of the agenda. Okay. Tell me when everybody's ready. >> 12110 >> big ordinance rewrites take a bit. >> Yeah. >> 114 15 and it's on page 30 Whoops. 33 of the
or 32 of the uh email document. Okay, we're there. >> Okay. So, obviously now it's it's section 121 um 16. I'm sorry. It's 12117. I keep doing that because my my comment says it's after
1216. That's right. 12117. Certain signs exempt from permits. Um, okay. So, I have a couple questions. So, all this shows as new because we're moving it. So, you actually strike it from where originate where it's originally at and it comes in as new content in the different section. That's why the whole
whole section's underlined. >> Well, this this is right of appeal in 217. >> That's the that's my draft version. Then you need to I'm looking at the agenda version. >> So I need to go back up to the >> the agenda version. >> So you had you didn't you said it was moved but you didn't actually move it down.
>> In the agenda version I did. >> Oh yeah draft version. >> Yeah that's what he has. >> It's the same verbage though. Let me go back to that then. >> Well yes I'm reading off to show because it's a couple questions.
>> So it's 1214 with now 1217 >> in that one. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Um okay. So in paragraph six new six um we added new five paragraph five we added
language um unless illumination through solar energy. So if you it was if such sign is to be illuminated then an electrical permit shall be obtained unless illuminated through solar energy. That's what you wanted added. So that's been added. Then the next paragraph um
um see this is in non-residential districts two signs. So >> Oh, here's residential different districts is the next one. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> And that's the same it added um the language that it can be powered by solar energy for both of those. Gotcha.
your old paragraph 8 has been incorporated into section 12110 which we'll get to because it fits in that section. So that's been moved completely. That's why you go straight to paragraph nine, which talks about,
I'm sorry, you go from paragraph six to the new seven, which is window signs. That was your previous paragraph nine. And that one you changed the um coverage to 60%. >> Is it seven or eight? I have eight on here.
>> Seven on the new one. >> Well, the one the email was a new one. No, the email the email is the draft with my notes and it did not move the section. The one in the agenda moved the section. That's where this is because the one in my notes shows things that
are being removed completely. >> So, what should I be looking at? >> Right. I I want you to look at the one in the agenda. >> All right. I apologize. >> And it's it's confusing when you have multiple um >> Okay. What page 121 of the agenda one?
You're on page 115. The easiest thing is to have them side by side, but that would take >> you guys all might try to give you the highlights here. >> All right, I'm there. >> Okay, so 12117 paragraph 7 is window
signs and you changed that to 60% coverage. And so just to make sure so we we talked about the the type of perforated vinyl is 6040 and so the the um I think originally painting only came
back at 50/50 and so we so the 6040 is 40% open 60% covered and so we're allowing 60% covered or less. Yes, >> that's what was cited. >> All right. And then >> your statutory no trespassing signs. Um
there was questions about um if all this language was required and I confirmed that um the language not exceeding one sign every 500 ft along boundaries of and at each corner of the posted property in accordance with Florida Statute 810.011
011 is consistent by with Florida statute. So that's required. Four in number per acre and no one sign exceeding two square feet in surface and signed surface area is not part of the statute and not part of any other statute I could find. So I think there were some questions about whether you
wanted to keep that in there >> and we never did add purple paint did we? So it's I mean it's been this way you know but if you want to take out that last provision the four in number and I think when we talked about this originally the chief said he is not going to be citing people that don't have four in number per acre but
>> well I think unless we want to really do that I say we take it out just >> statute track statute >> any any disagree with that agree with you Okay. Number 12.
Second line from the bottom. We added restrict or impede. The sign shall not be placed in public rightway and shall not restrict RMP pedestrian pedestrian traffic along the sidewalk. That's been added per your request. Now you're going to go back to section
121-5. So I have on agenda page 102. Um just showing you I updated these sub paragraphs to be consistent with the new changes from the things that were were moved around and removed. Um 121-6 we
added per drive-through line. This is talking about the menu sign and there was a very good point that some of our drive-throughs have more than one drive-through now. So, what do we do about that? So, we I just added one per drive-through line. Hopefully, that addresses that problem. Um,
and we added the word and in the last paragraph, which whichever is less and shall have a signed service area not to exceed 25. >> Okay. Uh section 121-7, you would change um the six months to
three months 121-8. This is new language that you um wanted to add and I had some questions about it. One temporary sign subject to 121-10 of this chapter may be erected within a rightway with the written permission of parcel owner adjacent to the rightway.
The sign shall be at least 5 ft from the roadway and require a signed permit. And my question for to you um we need to determine how this is going to be enforced and monitored. Um section 10 Florida statute section 106.1435
prohibits campaign signs in the rightway. Um, so that would not be allowed, but you could do some other signs. I'm sorry, and state or county right away. Not not in cities, state or county rightways. Um, so keep that that provision in mind. But if you want to allow some kind of temporary signs with
the permission of somebody, who's monitoring that? How are we going to enforce that? How's the city going to know that? So that kind of opens up a lot of um questions for oversight for that. If you want to keep that language. >> Which word you have? >> Item 1218
B1 >> B1 B1. >> Yeah, that was that we we had made that change um because we we had an issue with specifically about campaign signs um that uh were well off the road. um it
was made basically ineffective and I guess the argument was is that you know you're cutting the grass or you're maintaining or whatever as long as it's not you should be able to put it there it's temporary and that's I think we settled on the 5 foot off the roadway so you're saying that obviously that didn't apply to state county roadways but city
roadways it it's okay >> I see nothing that says you can't do in the city city um but my question is this is requiring um written permission from the parcel owner adjacent to the rightway who's going to maintain ain that permission. How we got a how's the city going to know when they're driving
around a back sign if that person has permission versus getting out and having to make contact with people have those conversations right now if it's in the rightway it's pulled >> well >> so it's making an enforcement enforcement show >> right unless somebody complains >> this is like if I put a sign in Lisa's
rightway without her knowing it obviously she would pull it >> run it if it's but if it's still there would be allowed I mean because you should get permission to put signs in people's property. So, I don't think I don't think we would necessarily please
unless somebody called in and say, "Hey, somebody's put the sign in my yard. Shouldn't." Then we address it. >> I think we would know whether or not >> we don't from a C. We don't care if as long as signs 5t off roadway, it's good. We assume that they have permission to have it there.
>> Unless, hey, call say I've got somebody sign here. I need to get permission. Well, then we would pull it. that would I'm here to bring out things that I see may be an issue. If you guys are good with it, we can go forward. >> Yeah, we should enforce the fact five foot off the roadway. That's all we're concerned with. >> Okay. Okay.
Um the next one is >> let me sign maybe erected right away. Would because it used to be two. We drop it to one >> for for just for this for the rightway.
This isn't temporary science completely, but the rightway you did one >> temporary science is another section. Um, so I I think this should sort of align with how many we can have
because I again conversation I thought we had was that we were just going to allow them in the in the rightway off 5 foot road. Not that we're going to limit less >> and you could do temporary temporary signs which would be the definition of temporary signs as a whole, right?
subject to 12110 um and the rest of the language. So I just take the one out the number one out. >> You guys agree with that or you >> and just three things. Let's say you got uh um for example this this election coming up you got you got mayor and
you've also got council person. So if you were want to um >> put two sides >> put signs you had to pick which one you wanted in right away had to be back. because I I think you'll be able >> That's right. But I mean, you're going to have there's other issues that you might want to put
signs in. >> You should be able to put as many as >> Yeah. Well, you should have as many signs as we allow >> in general just five foot off the road. >> Okay. The number the the z the the word one will be removed and it'll say
temporary signs subject to section 12110 which is a temporary sign section. Okay. That fixes that. And on the on the owner within a rideway with the written position of the parcel one adjacent to the rightway. Um which basically the is the one you're this this language is not
talking about the person across the street from from you was talking about the basically the proper owner. >> I think the idea was what you were saying it's it's my yard and I want to put the sign far enough out that it can be seen. I'll be five from the road but it's still in the technical rightway. Um
there was talk about getting permission. So you're so >> well to limit it from me going to your house and going here you go >> and you got written permission on here. I don't think we need to have written permission. >> I just take direction. We can change it >> as far as signs. If you don't have written permission, they'll just tear it up, throw it away. I mean, >> right. But I mean technically we would
have to have a document that Christine I'm allowing Christine have a sign in my yard. >> We did this already. This is what we wanted. >> This I don't remember these spec. This is kind of a >> that's it because we've covered so much. camps. You got to throw something out in
>> Well, keep in mind though, we had a workshop and we talked about this, but now this is this is the cotification of this process. So, if it's something >> you don't like it, let's fix it. >> So, I don't like I don't like the one. I think it's the >> one's gone. >> And I don't think we should have written. It's just permission. >> I mean, I should be verbally able to tell Christine, hey, you can put a sign
in my yard. >> So, just with permission. >> I agree. >> Hey, Eric. >> Yeah. I mean, am I correct in seeing that it requires a sign permit to put a sign in your yard? >> No. >> What's the last part of the sentence? >> Require a sign permit.
>> You're trying to find You guys are trying to find an enforcement mechanism. That's why this >> Oh, it does say require sign. It sure does. >> This one has issues. The very last words are sign requires a permit because you're trying to determine because I brought up it before enforcement mechanisms because if you're if you're not careful with this, this could result
in me going to your yard and putting a sign up that you don't want and me saying no, the code says I can put it in your in the rightway because there's nothing that says I can't. So, you need to make it make sure it's it's it's clear. >> I don't think we No permit. >> I don't think the permit thing needs to be in there. That's way overreach on
this. No, >> it's really a simple thing. You're right. >> So, you would want to codify this mess. >> Yes. >> You should talk about it or >> No, you was just right. >> I want to be real clear with that.
>> Yeah. So, we're take the number out >> tempor. So, now it'll say temporary signs subject to section 12110 of this chapter may be erected within a rightway >> with permission of the parcel owner. >> Change adjacent because I don't want to be mis misunderstood. If you if you think adjacent, we're thinking not.
>> I think take out adjacent. Just leave partial owner. >> Partial owner. Partial owner. >> If I want to put a sign in Eric's yard, I'll ask him. If he says yes, I should be able to put a sign in his yard. That's right. We don't want written. >> So, Chris, I want I want to specifically have you get a permit. So, >> we've done here except except the vice
>> vice may have had permit. So temporary signs subject to section 12110 of this chapter may be erected within a right of way with permission of the parcel owner >> of which the rightway applies. I guess you probably need that because technically the rightway is a city >> of which the rightway applies to ask
the sign shall be at least 5 ft from the roadway period. >> Are we still sitting with one sign? No, no, no. >> It's going to say temporary signs subject to section 12110, >> which it's 12110. It limits a number. >> I think it does. I was just looking at that. I thought it did.
>> I specifically think it was like two per issue or something. Maybe that was the old >> I mean, what if I want to put two signs in there? >> Yeah, per two per issue. So, when you have amendments and things like that, you should have a number a total of two per
per issue. So if you have a business and there's eight amendments, you can have >> 16 >> two per not. >> What about candidates? >> Well, and that's the thing with with mayor and council person. They could have two.
They could have two because it's two separate seats. >> What if it's >> you have four actually? >> You could. Yes, you could. >> It's two per >> two per issue. Two per issue thing. You're voting on it. It's two per >> Yeah. And if we had if we had charter amendments or anything like that and we wanted signs, you could have two of each
amendment. So you could have a plethora of signs in your yard. >> Okay. We're going to load you up. >> You got a lot of Washington footage, man. We're >> I do property. >> I'm selling I'm selling. >> Ashley, we're going to have to get a place to store the signs in your office.
That's what we're going to have. >> You put a sign in my yard. You're paying. >> Okay. >> Hey, don't even ask Lisa. She doesn't want signs in her yard. >> That's right. Well, she does now. There's a cost.
>> All right. Um, page 106, which is section 121-9. >> Page 106. 121-9 C 4 I'm sorry C3
>> should be a little yellow mark in there that might >> I see a mark that works >> what is it >> 12 page 106 it's section three yeah section three on that page on page 106
um you changed 18 feet to 8 This is projecting signs shall not be located above a rooftop of a building nor more than 8 feet above the grade of the street whichever is less >> less. >> That looks like 48 ft >> because of that through
>> so that's now eight. Then in section four right below that on paragraph B in boy you changed um the 25% to 75%. So the maximum allowable sign structure area for awning canopy
and marquee sign shall not exceed two square feet per linear foot of building frontage facing a public street. However, the aggregate surface area of all shapes, letters, numbers, symbols, and illustrations shall not exceed 75% of the total area of the awning or canopy surface. Awning or canopy sign
may be illuminated only if the material of which it is made is opaque. So basically now 25% of the canopy has to be canopy not being signed. >> Um you kind of stopped it from what it was. >> Yeah. >> Can we can we go back to page 104 for a minute?
>> Yep. >> So right there illuminated signs including neon signs. I mean nobody's putting up neon anymore really. So we're talking about illuminated LED signs, right? All right. >> I mean, illuminated LED signs. I don't
even know what a foot candle power is. Anybody want to tell me what a foot candle power is or whatever it is? One foot candle. >> Yeah. You know, so this is a good question for a building official. I guess in your in the enforcement of signs, >> I don't enforce lighting. >> Normally, it's normally it's lumens is
what they is what you base it on. And I don't know if there's a lumen to foot candle >> comparison on a foot candle gauge. You can buy them. Yeah. >> What's that >> on Amazon? The foot candle gauge. >> Oh, is there a gauge for the cam gauge? >> I wonder if it's um if there is a
>> I got Are you joking or there is one? >> Yeah, >> one lumen per square. >> Amazon's got everything. >> The definition of this term is actually in your digital sign code, which is new new new language in this code. If you go
to page 108, it is addressed in paragraph number seven at the top of that page. Foot candle measurement shall be taken that's not no hold on foot candle measurement shall be taken at at the measurement distance
determined by using the following formula. I assume that's how it's measured. I this is not something I created. This is something that we've borrowed from um Newport Rich or Pasco County. I can't remember right now. >> So it so it says that lumens are defined as a measure of the total amount of
light emitted from a source. Foot candles are the measured amount of light falling on a specific point or object. >> He should that definition like you did >> is it different what I >> I don't know. I pulled it up on Google. >> This is a foot candle. >> Foot candle. Yeah. Because I don't know.
I forgot to look it up. A unit of illumination now little used equal to that given by a source of one candela at a distance of one foot parenthesis equivalent to one lumen per square foot
or 10.764 lux clear as mud. >> Yeah. Yeah. So Tony, in your perspective, what's a good way to monitor these light things and what? >> Well, you have the candle and you have
lumen. Lumen is this. This is your lumen, >> right? It's putting out so many lumens, but I guess on the floors >> candle is going to be what is falling or exit signs. That's your perfect example for a candle power because those are rated at five to seven candle.
because they still they have to be bright but not too bright for them to stand out. >> So, how do you measure that? >> They have a meter on Amazon, by the way. >> There is there is there is a meter that they do have. >> They do. Yeah. >> I'm just trying to remember where I seen
it at, but they do have a meter as far as so that you can stand in front one foot out for one candle. >> Yeah. So this this so here's the term lumen measures a total light output source brightness candela is a light in
a direction beam intensity in a foot candle light on a is that surface oops light on a surface usable illumination so I think probably that's why they use foot candle is because they want to know
how much light is being cast onto >> that makes sense >> where you stand that's something >> a lot of lighting in schools is candle And that's how they do it. That you have to have 40 candles power as far as for the lighting for a desk.
So that you can have lights, but it doesn't have to be as bright as long as you have 40 candle >> at a desktop. And that's what they use in schools. >> What is light intensity? >> I got an idea. Can we just take that
out? I mean, we're not really deal with neon signs anymore. Well, that it's like a noise ordinance, right? You can't say don't be too bright, don't be too loud. You have to give specifics. These ordinances have to say, "This is what we mean. These are the numbers." And >> you could have stand there and do with
their device they get on Amazon. >> I had a digital know what we're approving, >> right? We We need to figure that out. >> I had a digital sign at Whiskey Joe's. What's that? >> We had a digital sign at Whiskey Joe's when I was docked there and they called me up at night and told me I need to
turn it down because it was hard to read the other signs because it was so bright. >> Yeah. >> So, and I did and that's kind of what you don't want someone having a sign that's that's normal and someone behind a neighbor putting a sign as bright that you can't even see that sign when your
eyes are looking at it. You'll focus obviously to a brighter. They need to be uniform. That's the reason that that they do that. Well, that's what the that's the term >> like 800 tea lightss. 800
>> 10,000 people know what that means. >> So, this is saying not produce more than one foot candle of illumination four feet from the sign. And so if you're staying at four feet from the sign, it shouldn't be dump more than than one is what this code says, right?
And then the Amazon meter that Bob's going to buy for us like um >> how does it know what whether it's the ambient light measuring or the >> Well, he he said a foot away or I mean he knows how to use them.
>> I mean that's if I'm sitting in front of my I want to see what the foot is of my monitor, right? Right. And four foot away or whatever. I've got ambient lighting here that is gonna read in that as well. So, how do you measure that? >> It it's
it's a very technical jargon that they try to use it so that you have to use an engineering design to come up with their numbers is what it is. >> Thanks. >> You almost want to put don't be
obnoxious in the code, but that didn't work right at that time. And and you're going to have the same thing in your digital sign section because it talks about that because you again you want to control the brightness at >> I guess you try to focus that on the actual source. >> 30 bucks.
>> Uhhuh. I mean is is the reality looks like mayor >> you can see Chris >> how it applies with the signs and and what they're talking about and then >> choosing the right light source and then the directional >> lumens and how you want that to support
like for indoor lighting direction for outdoor store signs and then for like monument or pylon sign you know the the last thing we want to do is put code out here and and we realized that that we really didn't make
it bright enough or we made it really too bright. So, I didn't know how to >> and I'd have to defer to Tony or someone Tony tells us to talk to about the numbers. This this was borrowed from except >> this was already in our code, right? Or not. >> No, that's that's new. >> That's all new. That's new.
>> So, that came from >> hopefully people smarter than us. What if we just eliminate four all together and just >> Well, if if if the technology today with some of the LED lighting, for instance, Culver's, if they could turn their light up, their sign up, it would overshadow
McDonald's, it'd be hard to read McDonald's because it's so bright. >> That's why they have and that's the reason why they have put stipulations in in other jurisdictions for that reason. Is it going to be >> something too bright and even it distracts driver >> right
>> going down the road? >> There's a reason for it, but >> I think we should leave it in there. >> It's just a matter of setting it up. And >> well, most of those have a brightness. >> Yes. Slider. >> Yes. >> First of all, it being in there has
nothing to do with how we enforce it. >> It's in case we have That's all. >> But we're >> I was going to say the same thing, Bob. I I think I'm sorry I didn't know who was talking it if if we're not going to enforce it unless there's complaints or it's an issue. I don't really care too
much about the verbiage, but what I I'd hate to be in the same camp with Eric where we approve something not knowing what it is. >> And you know, it was like how did you all approve that? That doesn't even give you any light at all or it's too much or whatever. And I just we don't have any gauge to go by on that. And and what
happens is that somebody has a complaint say it's way too bright and then we got to measure it and then we're going to be like it's you know it is out of spec or whatever and then then it's going to start a chain reaction then then maybe whatever code is every sign in the city is out of spec and then we got a problem. That's
>> that an electrician electrician that >> I think we need to hire somebody to go around and monitor foot candles. Well, that would that that would be either a a a a lighting professional or a sign developer that does lit sign because
they follow specific codes. >> Yeah. Well, we do we do a permit for signs already out there. It's help skeleton, right? But they have to provide photometrics, I think, which gives these numbers. Yeah. >> So, there you go. >> And I think right now from what I've
researched, it's 3,000 lumens. directional, which is less than 5K, which they say is high, but it's it's it's far more than the 100 and 200 that they talk
about, you know, as far as signage depending on size of sign, distance of sign. So, >> I mean, we could um obviously this we trust that this came from >> it's either Pasco County or Newport
Richie. I can >> Eric, can I interrupt you for one second? >> Co-pilot and it says yes, that wording is fairly standard for municipal sign ordinances and zoning codes. It uses technical terms like foot candle, measure from the base, and exposing neon tubing, which are common in light
signage regulations. So it's it's >> by a standard >> full sign provides you a a um a a lumen um
>> size like 3K or something like that. the the lumens are probably I mean probably coincide with that but >> they're a lot with LEDs usually >> you're more concerned about the light falling on on you is the way this code is here no matter what the lumen
brightness is it's what's actually falling from it >> Chris you got a comment >> I did it says here uh you know definition one foot candle is equal to one lumen of light >> um >> and and distributed over one square foot
of area I One lumen of light is pretty dark. It's I mean when you you buy these flashlights and it's like you know I don't know what is this 300 lumens or something. I mean and and I'm thinking wow that's one lumen light's pretty dark. That's just all I'm thinking. Um I mean if we're not going to run around
and and and beat people's door down checking the light on their signs. I'm not that concerned about it. Yeah, outside of getting into the science and doing a lot of testing and that I think my perspective is we we trust and we we
follow the we follow the the the code that other folks have around us and then as if we have an enforcement issue that would cause us to open it up and maybe we need change at that point. And that's really the only thing you can do without
>> getting into a big science class. Only only other thing I thought of is if somebody knows an electrician or whomever might be able to explain between now and the second reading, we can change, you know, two foot to one foot or whatever. I mean, change one to two if we wanted to.
>> If you're in Orlando, this be more of a concern for a little town like us. I don't see that particular provision is for residential. That might be might be why it's lower because you're talking about in a resial. Oh, >> this is the residential. >> Yes. Oh, that's probably a big
>> onsite signs and resial district. >> What's the commercial one? Is it >> is that commercial or is it res? >> It's residential, she said. So, let me just see what the commercial >> doesn't even apply to commercial then. >> Hold on. >> She's looking >> trying. >> And what I have here, sir, is nighttime
code compliance. Very important. Many cities regulate maximum foot candles at the property line, light trespass, and then glare into roadways. Color tempered lights are often at uh less than 3,000. >> Your residential is the large edition of
digital signs which starts on page 107. >> That address there's much more. >> Correct. I'm sorry the non-residential non-residential the 104 the one paragraph 4 and 104 is for non is for residential starting on page 107 paragraph seven
so page and a half long that is your new language for digital signs and non-residential >> doesn't have the footage >> it says I thought it does back here but I also says knits >> yeah it has knits but here it talks about I don't I don't know what a knit is either this is also important that's a whole another also talks about foot
handle measurement on the second page, but I don't see a number connected to it, but I might be reading it too quickly. Yeah, I think >> if two t light trespass from digital display shall not exceed 2/10 foot candle at the digital property at the
digital sign property line illumin the illuminous of the digital display shall not be greater than 2/10 foot candle above the ambient light levels at any given time of day or night as measured using a foot candle meter at the present preset distance described in this section.
>> What was the distance? >> 210th. >> Was it? Oh, >> at what distance? >> Cuz res the residential one >> foot measurement shall be taken at the measurement distance determined by using the following formula. Measurement distance in feet equals square footage
of the digital display face time 100. >> Good lord. >> And that's from our friends in Pasco. We got this from >> Yeah, I don't know what she said, but I'm good with it. We can we could we could leave it and see if Tony might be able to help us
find someone that could explain this better the numbers and or maybe Tony can go get a thing off Amazon and come in and show us how it works. >> Y >> so you have an understanding of what one foot candle is or the two3 whatever and >> why don't we ask the guy across the street at Pasco signs to come in.
>> I because Chris put up a big old bright sign. Chris I think we ought to measure your sign and see if it's >> where it falls. Hey, Eric, thanks for thanks for shedding light on my big sign. I appreciate that. >> That's nice. I always like being the subject of the room, Eric. I appreciate that.
>> But no, seriously, I mean, or any sign, Newport Richie sign or whatever. Just kind of see what that is and is that does it comply or not? >> And then that can give us a metric of going a larger number, a smaller number, leave it at the number we have. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Right. So, we'll leave it for now. >> Some additional information.
>> Okay. So, now we're going back to I think we were on page 106. 104. >> That's where we were >> the illumination. >> Oh, he went back. That's right. The 106, right? >> 106. Um, I think we already talked about paragraph 3C. We changed that from 18t
to 8 foot and we did the 75% from 25%. Already did that. Um, >> now next is is the commercial, I guess, right? Non-residential digital signs. >> You removed Hold on.
>> Yep. So you um subsection C canopy and awning sign shall be permitted only when in lie of a wall sign. You remove that. Okay. Then page 107 is all the information for digital signs that also went to planning and zoning since planning and zoning's approval of it.
You did change a few things. um seven paragraphs obviously paragraph 7 digital sign subsection one you changed that to 8 seconds instead of 10 seconds and you removed some other language. So it did say dwell time defined as the
interval of change between each individual message shall be at least 8 seconds and you removed with all illumination changing simultaneously. There shall be no special effects or other content between messages. You remove that language. So you can't special effects.
>> Um >> no you can't >> you can't. So um one of the things I wanted to make sure because we talk about this 8 seconds. Can you have full motion video or not?
The way I read this is is the 8 seconds is individual message. >> Oh that wouldn't apply then. >> So I'll take a slideshow. Boom. >> Discuss that for about half an hour. So I think we're >> right. And I and I I I can't remember
I want to make sure cuz and and as I've been driving around and even I think Newport Richie signed they have full motion video and transitions as well which we took out. Um are we are we trying to prevent full
motion video >> or is it separate? I think this was the in between, right? The change from one message to the next, >> right? So that's the way I read it. So I basically said, "Hey, shop here 8 seconds. We got food,
>> right? >> 8 seconds individual messages, but we talking about just watch maybe catches has a chef cooking this lobster and they're showing that or whatever. Is that >> Well, they can do that for eight seconds if you want to just I mean that's fine. So you're saying instead of having a
pause in between each message, it it would run continual. >> Well, that would be a video. You'd be like watching something. It's you you see it all the time. And just make sure do we want to outlaw that or do we not want to outlaw it? I don't have a problem with it.
>> I don't think we outlaw it. Personally, >> I don't think we outlaw it. >> Yeah, I don't think we did either. I think you've got the technology there to give, you know, somebody a, you know, let's just use catch as an example, you know, a fresh lobster coming out steaming and and make somebody wants to pull in there and go get a lobster
dinner, you know, >> right? So, my only concern is about this individual message, 8 seconds. What kind of impact does that have is, I guess, is the question. >> Most of them will probably be quicker than 8 seconds. That's just the maximum, right? >> Um, well,
>> I don't even know why we have that in there. Then I guess that's kind of where I'm going. Do we just take it out? Because >> there was there was 10 seconds in there. We b lowered it to eight. >> Yeah. The thought was is you would not want I mean you want your message readable. You don't want boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom that come distracting. Right.
>> You don't want distracted drivers which a video may do but I mean I I hate to restrict it. But I don't think it's going to be a big issue. But >> right, >> maybe we we take Well, I don't have a problem leaving in there as long as we it's specific for that kind of slideshow
type changing or whatever >> or make it you can add language to make it specific. >> You could put you know >> video I mean 8sec video is pretty video. >> Well, you could run the video longer. Whatever that is talking about >> message. Yeah.
>> This is talking about content changes. You got to keep the same content for 8 seconds. Not that the video is running any. So, it's not like you're watching um the Smurse and then 8 seconds later you're watching some other show, right? It's it's this is more geared around individual messages, not video.
>> You said they pull lobster out, you got a video lobster, my hamburger message. That's what that's that's what I'm trying to think like if are you picturing it there'd be a video however long that is for showing whatever you want it to but at some point that's going to end
>> and something new is going to start. So the dwell time I think would capture that in between is what it's trying to capture what whatever your message whether it's video writing once that changes it's going to change to something else the way this is defined that would be your dwell time.
>> Yeah. So if you if you're talking about from the the content or whatever from a video like you're saying like cooking a lobster or whatever and then all a sudden you go and he's making a cake, right? Each each individual >> I still think >> message I think it's still a message from that that entity, right? Still bad
>> because nothing there's no there's no the dwell time is when is when something's going to change. >> Why is this significant? What what do we fear would happen if we don't have this in >> I feel the same way >> Chris >> I feel the same way. I mean, why is this significant? I think we pull out number
one completely. >> Is that what you're saying? >> Yeah. I just see the significance. I think again we borrow this from somewhere else. I think the thought was the >> somewhere else. >> I don't I just don't think that's an issue.
Pull it out. >> I'll go with that. >> Okay. >> All right. I will remove number one. >> Yay. Move on. >> Which will kind of new numbering, but that's okay. All right. So then down to number two, you change that. >> You did just get a new contract, by the
way. So I have all kinds of time. >> So it did say >> that's right. >> I don't know what it did say. >> Okay. But you the you wanted um now says digital display signs shall
only have interactive capabilities based on physical touch, not movement. And you wanted to be a you added the physical touch part like you wanted to I don't have my notes for that one. I can't explain it to you but you did change that and you had a reason and I discuss
>> we agreed on number two and number two was the reason was is because we wanted people to have interactive signs like if you walk up and say okay touch here to figure out where the park is. We wanted that but we didn't want them to like walk by it and it like changes because you walk by it. So we already made
decision and we were all in agreement on that. There was another part of discussion which I've also thought about is the whole QR code. And you know a lot of times you'll have a sign up and have a QR code. And so if you say you're in a car, you go past that, you got stoplight, you can scan the QR code. So
this would I'm assuming interactive would would take that capability away. So you couldn't use QR codes. And that's pretty popular thing nowadays. >> Take it out, >> Eric. Why would that take it away? >> I don't see why this is I don't see why this is significant either. What if somebody walked by a sign and it
changed? Why did Why are we concerned about that? Let each business control that for themselves and let's stay out of it. It's not I don't think it's significant. >> I think it was a I think you guys discussed it as a safety concern with the businesses on US Highway 19. QR
codes in particular when people are driving by it becomes a a a hindrance and a safety concern with somebody trying to take a picture while they're driving. They're not supposed to have their phones out. But this but this doesn't change the ability for us to throw a QR code on a sign it catches and
have somebody, you know, scan the QR code. It's not really an interactive sign at that point. It's the interactive part happens on their phone. >> Well, let's say based on physical touch. >> Yeah, but you're not touching the sign. It's up near 10 feet. >> QR code. You're not touching it. So,
>> exactly. So, I think maybe Christine, you're right on this one, too. Just take this thing out. >> Take it out. Yeah. thoughts. >> Scrub it. >> I just dropped it. But that that Ashley is right. The concern is the the signs that are along the road and cars are
making them change and they're you know >> if things become a problem, we can always get back to it. But that's I don't see it being a problem. I mean, we can you can think of all kinds of things that you can control, but really, you know, you can't control everything.
People are going to do what people do. >> Chief, what's your thoughts on it? >> QR codes on. >> He's out there trying to find a $32,000 grant. >> He's worried about his grant. Leave him alone. As I look at these, >> just say yeah, >> sure.
>> As I look at these, my only concern safety, >> right? >> Life and limb. If it doesn't impact that or affect that, >> leave it or or take it out. >> Yeah. No, I I agree. And I I think the thought process is you're driving your thing down the road and oh, QR code. I'm interested in that. And you cause an
accident because you're trying to interact with the sign. And that would be the whole that's >> I mean people should generally know better but their passenger might take a picture of the QR code and in that case it's beneficient it benefits they do more on the propert
but but the code isn't specific to that. So that's why >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you can you can really delve into things and try to write a code to protect every little situation, but you can't cover it all. And this isn't I don't think this is >> going to help or harm
>> anything. Just remove it. >> If Mr. King wants to put a QR code on the city sign, let him do it. >> Okay. Um section >> You already scrubbed that one, right? >> Yep. It's It's gone. uh section 121-10 page 108 of the agenda
code of the agenda ordinance um section two this is what was already there um actually I'm sorry this is what um attorneyfelder provided that was what you were originally provided in the part I'm talking about this state law on usage and removal of political campaign
signs I'm sorry political campaign advertisements um he put language that you may not erect such sign earlier than 60 days before the scheduled election. Currently, you allow your um code allows for 10 uh no later than 15 days. Sorry,
let me hold that. Previously allowed no earlier than date of qualifying and removed no later than 15 days. So, it's that 60 days is a little bit different than that. So, I just want to get your input. >> Okay. Now, so now you can put signs up
before qualifying. >> I think that sounds good. >> I mean, it says here for city candidates, their signs need to be taken down within 72 hours. I'm in agreement with that. >> Um, after the election, I think that makes good sense.
>> Yeah, for our city, for sure. >> The 60 days before. >> Yes. Um, right now he's qualifying >> prior to qualifying though. >> Qualified is what it is now, right? >> When when qualifying period ends. So,
you know, you're actually qualified to run because why would you put signs out if you don't know if you're qualified to run, right? Okay. >> So, this we we don't want 60 days in, right? >> You can keep the language you had. You had like you had um you date of qualifying no earlier than the
date of qualifying is what you had currently. That can stay. >> That makes sense. Yeah, attorney attorney Esenfelder when he he did the red did this maybe other places allow 60 days no matter when qualifying is I'm just bringing it to your attention that you right now there's a conflict in what we have yeah we need to decide how you
want which way you want to go >> qualify >> qualifying >> okay >> and then 72 >> that's um the second part is governed by statute so you are good on that okay page 109
paragraph 3 a residential districts. This was moved from an earlier section that I mentioned to you. Um it it fits in this section so it's just more appropriate to have here. What I wanted to point out is
>> um they're not consistent. So number one, on properties with street frontage of less than 500 ft, one temporary sign is permitted provided the sign does not exceed 4 and a half square feet in and sign surface area and six feet in height. If the um
properties with street frontage of 500 ft or more, have more more of the more of them. Um, and ex they shall not exceed four square feet in sign surface area and six feet in height. I didn't know if you wanted them different or if you wanted them the
same. >> Don't nobody has 500 foot of >> Yeah, it's a lot. >> Right. >> Yes. And the two per sign has been crossed out. So if you want that back, we have to add it back. Right now it allows on prop on properties with street
frontage of 500 feet or more up to three temporary signs are permitted provided the sign does not exceed four square feet in sign surface area and six feet in height. >> Two political signs per candidate or issue. Do you need to add that back in there? >> If you guys want it. Yeah, you do. >> Yes.
>> And if not um on the properties with less than 500 ft. It does not have that. So you probably want that in both sections. I think the numbers should match. Bless you. >> The four and a half feet should be the same in both. I mean, just I think
that's just an oversight. >> Who's out there measuring that 500 ft? >> Chief is >> so chief not even >> Are we pulling the >> Nobody's measuring that. What I I was I was pointing I pointed
out that that this the the sign of the sign you're size of the sign you're allowing is different and there may be a reason you wanted by >> one is one is numeric and the other is >> and that's different >> and I started to go through and change all that and that's a lot of time >> I would just make them both four and a
half feet >> if everyone's fine with that we can do four and a half feet and my next question is we already talked about this earlier in you see paragraph two it says two political signs per candidate or issue may be placed on each residential parcel That was stricken by attorney Ashenfelder. If you guys want that, we
need to add that back. >> Yeah, it needs to come back. So, that's basically saying you can have more signs if they're political, but if it's not political, you can only have one if you have 500 ft, right?
>> If you're if you want to allow the two signs. Well, yeah. Yeah. Because that's that's specific to political. Why can't you >> This is a full review again of this. Should we be making this a workshop again? Um because we're kind of >> There's no way we're going to get
through this, right? And we have other things. >> It's up to you guys. I did not expect there to be so much, >> right? >> Uh there are the only problem with that there are people waiting on this from digital sign perspective and um I I don't >> it's a blowby-blow right now. I mean, I
don't know where the changes even come. >> I I don't know, I guess why we're and maybe it's just this one thing stuck on or whatever, but most of it should be we've already hashed it out. >> And I I when I when you you know, you talk through these and when you actually move them and type them, sometimes you
notice the inconsistencies or something and that's what I'm trying to bring out to you or something that we maybe didn't um you know, we need to define something or figure out what you want. Would those people who are waiting on this uh be agreeable to this being approved at the
next meeting and then we could all look through this in the next two weeks? >> Well, you got two readings, so you're going to have to have the first reading, second reading before it can be codified. So, you're talking about >> we already have a full agenda >> set and I would I would suggest that just looking through it won't be as helpful as me trying to point out. It's
going to be like what we already did in the sign code meetings and that took >> we had we had two or three sign code meetings too. So I don't Yeah, I think we're just >> we're there's a couple big bigger ones like a lot of them are smaller. So maybe we'll get we'll quick get quicker. Um
>> I think right now this one um because the two political signs per candidate I didn't didn't even dawn on me that that had been shricken. If you guys want that that needs to be decided. >> So my my question is on that. I think cuz right now if you have 500 feet or less you can only have one temporary sign and the way it reads to me if you put that back in there says if it's
political >> you can have two per per candidate or issue. >> So I didn't count for the one you can have two that means you want then based on how many issues there are. >> Why is residential crossed out? >> This is already a section that's residential. It's all about residential.
>> We do want that removed though because that's for properties. So, we wouldn't want 500 ft of frontage to be limited to two signs. >> They have three. They could have Yeah. Whatever. >> Oh, well, so that two political signs,
that's a good point. That's only on >> 500 feet or more. They didn't even talk about that on 500 feet or less. >> I mean, >> no, >> it only applies to the bigger ones. So yeah, a lot of a lot of houses don't have 500 feet across the front.
>> The majority do not. The entire city probably less than that. >> You have to ask Deon. Do >> you have any over 500? >> I know Deon probably got a big old 500. >> That's right. >> But he had to he had to assemble that
big. >> Yeah. It was a battle. >> How many prime is that? eight there at the corner green. >> It was like 10 all >> together. Now it's just a big park. >> Everybody asks what I'm building a park. >> That's right.
>> Trees. >> Okay. So, most of this language is in this that we're talking right now is new from attorney. Currently, what you have is for temporary signs, residential district. Temporary signs are permitted in residential districts provided that no
sign shall exceed four square feet and sign surface area and six feet in height. Two political signs per candidate or issue may be placed on each residential parcel. You don't >> there's a limit. >> You don't you don't distinguish between size of lots or anything like that. That's new language that was provided. If you like what you have right now,
let's just leave it the way it is. >> Yeah. >> So I will I can replace what you currently have. >> Yeah. Only thing that we really monkeyed with from our existing code was allowing in the right away as long as it's 5 foot off the road. >> Other than that, we were good with everything. >> Yeah. So, some So, are you saying that
whoever did this just changed some of it? >> He changed a lot of it. He >> It wasn't the stuff we talked about. >> No. So, the the very first draft that came through way back when was things to bring you up to the current requirements of the federal courts. A lot of it was
that um and he took other things that he has done in most cities the way they have addressed it overall and and made those suggestions to you. Planning and zoning as you know accepted some of those and rejected some of those and then you guys made the ultimate decision. >> But then he changed after that.
>> No no this is what he provided. I I moved moved the section to put it where it made sense to me um in the residential district section. But um if if you like what you guys currently have temporary signs, there's no limit. There's no um
there's a size limit which is four square feet of sign surface, six feet in height, two political signs per candidate or issue may be placed on each residential parcel. No 500 foot or less than 500 foot. We can just go back to that. >> Sorry. >> I don't know how we missed that
complicated. >> I don't know how we missed that in the workshop, but >> because it's a lot means a lot of it. Okay. So that's then page the very next page. This is non-residential.
Okay. Currently you have temporary signs are permitted in non-residential districts provided that no signs shall exceed 32 square feet in sign surface area and 8 ft in height. Two political signs per candidate or issue may be placed on each each non-residential property or individual business
establishment. This has been changed to limit you to three signs. >> Oh, this is page. Uh 109, the very bottom of 109. It goes under 110. So if you like what you currently have, let's go back to that. >> Yeah.
>> Which is no limit. All right. >> Um correct. You have a size designated and two political signs per issue maybe on the property.
>> Okay. So, we'll go back to what you had. Right. The next section underneath that on page 110 I added except as provided in section 10 1218B1 um allowing that right away signage in the rightway that we just talked about a few minutes ago. >> I just want to double check it since
we've made a few additions and deletions but >> double check all the the letters and stuff like that. >> Yes. Okay. Page one 11.
>> I don't see anything there. >> It's um something I noticed when I wrote all this. Section 1211, section 2A, maximum sign height of 20 ft. That is not consistent with another provision of your code. Let me find it.
I'll tell you. your definition section right now in your definition section of free when you define freestanding you have a 25 foot maximum this gives you a 20 foot so I >> change it 25
>> 25 Okay. Page 114, section 12116. You remove maintenance or repair of. Okay. So, I think this is the part that um we had a long conversation. I think this is the part about needing a permit to be able to change the the face of the
sign and the way we left it was we we did need that. Uh I've I've since looked at different signs and stuff and and uh again I don't I don't think you need a permit change your your sign uh face. You take you got to take the bezel off
um and um swap it out and do that. You shouldn't need a permit to do that because it's not changing the the size of it. Um it looks like most signs I can't remember what um how the code's written, but um it was almost like if you if you need a
tool, you need a permit. >> And it was decided with that conversation last time, it was decided that you would that's why you'd remove maintenance or repair of and that >> I talk about changing not repairing it, not uh cleaning it, but actually changing the the and maybe it's on down
a little bit. This says if you're going to erect a sign or construct a sign, alter or relocate a sign, you would need a permit. But if you're just going to maintain it or repair it, you would not.
>> And then it was the alteration. >> Chris, you remember that conversation? >> I remember. >> I do. And and I'm in agreement with you, Eric, that if you're going to just switch out the plastic in your sign and you're going to go from a company that went out of business and just slide a
new thing in there and using the same sign structure and everything, I don't think you should need a permit for that. I think that's a little bit >> the removal of alteration. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. >> So just scratch alterate. The only thing you could now alteration is a is a broad
term here. If I'm >> altering the sign, I'm actually >> tearing out, put a new one on. That's altering the sign, too. We're really talking about just alteration of the of the content. >> Content alteration was would be
accepted, >> right? The message, not the architect. >> Maybe maybe just after alteration, put not including content. That would that fix that, you think? Um, I might have to give you some more
language than just that, but I get the idea. >> Yeah. page one 17. This is section 12118 which is talks about the right of appeal. We had talked last time about changing board of adjustment to special magistrate. At
this point, you can't do that because you don't have a special magistrate set to do anything um like this. That would have to be something you'd have to um contract for. Um so, at this point, I would say leave it at board of adjustment. When we get to that point, you can always change language later. >> Okay.
>> Um section B, we changed his herit. We just said an agreed person must file a petition. Section 12119 variances. You talked about removing this and I've left it in here because I'm recommending that you leave it in there. There's variance
criteria in your code section 103-662 that explains how variances work and what they apply to and they apply to land development codes related to zoning. You're not supposed to have a variance for a sign. Now, it's about setbacks or something like that. That's what a variance is for. So, I think it's
important to leave that in there for clarity for people. They understand this is not something you can get a variance for. I want my sign to be 10 foot tall instead of 8 foot tall. >> It's not that's not the purpose of it. >> But if you don't, you might be able to get a variance for setbacks. Yes. Or
something like that place. >> Yes. And that that's still that's still in there. Um section 121 12121 B. You um materials, paper, or cardboard signs are prohibited. Cloth or fabric
banners may only be used for temporary signs. That used to also say cloth plastic or fabric and you've removed PL. No, is it cloth or plastic fabrics and you remove plastic? >> Yeah, for like PVC and longer term.
>> 12121 I just um added that meet the land development code. Just makes it clear that all permitted signs shall meet the code and be compatible with the building that they're with. Page 119,
subsection C, we added ground covering. Was a conversation about maybe someone wants to use rocks or something else. So, we added the term ground covering in there. >> D, we just changed some words because it had that this is the penestration word that we had to look up last year.
>> That's right. >> So, we changed that to openings. everyone. Since we all knew what that meant, I thought that would be everybody. >> Okay, >> dumbing it down. >> Um,
on page 120 in paragraph L, it says sign shall not be located on publicly owned land or easements or outside the street rideways except bus stopformational signs. You removedformational and said except bus stop signs and then the rest of it's the same. Okay.
Target looks a little sad. We removed it. >> Okay. 1217 fees. >> I'm going backwards. >> I'm sorry. I read the wrong numbers. 12128. We're getting towards the end. We don't want to go back. >> Yeah, we don't go backwards.
>> I made a promise. I got to get her down. Get her out of here. Um, this one you changed the wording. It's before it said before any permit is issued under the provisions of this land development code, the applicant shall at the time the application is made pay such fees as established by resolution
blah blah blah. You wanted to you asked to change that to at the time the permit is issued. I just wanted to point so I' made that change but I wanted to point out that this um you know sometimes before permits are actually issued a lot of work goes into them from your building department and your staff this
would and and part of that payment for that work is how they continue right so if you if you only require payment when the permit is issued versus when the application is made you will be affecting the income to the >> well that's I mean that's the way we do it on any permit right building plans
and all They look at it and they go through it, but you don't pay until >> I don't know. That's what I don't know. >> Right. >> Yeah, I agree. You don't want to pay somebody before they do the job, and you certainly don't want to have money in house and not have somebody get their permits back.
>> Well, the thing is is if you look at it by state law under 55380 states that the building department is for permitting, plan review, and inspections, and reinspections. The permitting is all based on how the
application comes in on. If you set a base fee, if it's in the fee schedule that there is a fee that has to be paid with the application, then that's what would be paid. I think with us right now, we're not charging anything until after it's all done.
>> So, we're doing a lot of work that if somebody decides to not get their permit, >> we've got staff time that's been tied up and for nothing. So to that and it's very valid point. Um I think I don't
know how and I don't know because I I didn't date the operations of that but I would assume when somebody applies for something that gets let's use the the silk fence the clearing lane over there. You apply for it had an eye closed silk fence would install. You know that guy will drop it
and just say okay forget it I'm not going to do it. You're going to work through that. Right. So, I think you're going to find that um I think majority of time people are putting permits in if it's going to get issued at some point. There probably are some that just like
cancel out of it. And I if if you think there's a lot of that going on where you're spend a lot of time and it's not in a permit, maybe we need to know that. But, um I don't I don't want to charge somebody for um if they aren't getting a
permit. um unless we do something separate in the fee schedule. It's there's an actual set application fee that's non-refundable and then the permit fee. The rest of it gets acquired later than something like that. But most building departments have an application
fee that's non-refundable period. >> So you apply, you go through, you have your plan review, you have your zoning reviews. Um you might have fire reviews. Everybody looks at everything. You've got who knows maybe 10 15 hours man
hours tied up in this along with the administrative side. That's where a lot of people have that as far as their application fee that's non-refundable. A lot of jurisdictions have $300 for a new single family house, $600 for a new
commercial building >> that is non-refundable, but that's to cover everything that has to be done to get it to the point to be ready to be issued as a permit. >> Because you have all them hours, man hours in the back time. And like I said,
I don't think we charge anything. >> No, we don't. as far as for an application to come in until it's done. And then if they decide they don't want to pick up the permit, you have all that time that's been spent that you you're having to eat. Well, and
and honestly the I think this fee schedule we have uh I think our permit fees are relatively high compared to other areas. I I hear that from contractors. So I think it's kind of built in so that if we do have that it's it's it's making up for it later when
actual permit's issued. So you know >> I've heard that too. >> So I I definitely don't want to charge somebody if we're not doing it and I I don't know if I want to change the structure although we can look at that but I I don't in this case
it's saying that and this is before the application was made. So they would pay upfront for a sign permit whether they get it or not. >> Right. So I think >> sounds like from what Tonyy's saying that's not the way it's working anyway. Right now they're not paying. So this actually the change is what you guys are doing. So >> reflect what we're actually doing.
>> I'll be quiet. >> And I believe we spoke with Veronica about that that day and tried to mirror what the city was actually doing. >> Once you said that, that triggered my mind too. I think so. I think as we go forward with this, if we find out that we're we're spinning our wheels and not getting any money, we probably need to
reook at the structure fee. But I think way we're doing it is okay for now. this I think. >> All right. So, go to now go to page 130. You've now moved on from the sign code. Now you're in the definitions and you see that that has bullet sign.
There's bullet bullet. >> Oh, that's a slip. Um bulletin sign. I'm not going to point all these out. I'm just going to use this one as an example. Your definitions were done in two different ways. Some were under sign comma in this in this
case bulletin but then other sign definitions were by the name of the sign. The easiest way to make that consistent was to get rid of the sign comma bulletins and put it as bulletin sign. Does that make sense? >> Anything that was sign, whatever is now going to be alphabetically within um the
definition code. >> Gotcha. >> Um so you'll see a couple of those. There are a couple doing that. It'd be me to discover there's a couple of duplicative. >> I guess the only problem with that though is it takes all the signs out throughout the entire definition. >> The majority Yeah, the majority and
that's what the majority are like that. And if the majority were sign, comma, whatever, I would have gone that way. But to put and I can still go back and put them all as sign, comma, bulletin, sign, comma, canopy. I went the quickest way, >> right? That would work. I wonder if it
wouldn't be better to have it all signed or together and then broken out. >> You can do whichever. I just went the I said I went the quickest way. If you want them all list sign, comma, whatever. I just have to reddraft it >> because the first thing you're going to look for when you're looking at signed is you're going to go to sign. Then you're going to >> I agree. I prefer it that way. But I was
trying to >> I get >> save time and money. >> Yeah. >> So if you want if you want think about that while we go through these and if you want that I can reddraft it. This is going to >> Well, well, really all they all this in Dave H. Well, I mean, they all have sign in the >> Yeah. >> definition. So, it's really probably not
too much work just to pull them all out. >> Well, what's hard is I have to go back to the original, right? And I have to strike. You have to strike what's you want to change and underline. You have to re It's not just move. >> You do want to leave this the way she's done it. You do want to leave. It'll
take >> Well, like I said, you can still search for side and it it rolls down through it. So, Yeah, it would it would take it would take a few hours. >> No, we ain't paying you. >> Exactly. That's why it is the the easiest way. All right. But page 136, >> but S, he could probably do that in his spare time.
>> Well, S's amazing, right? Um page 136, there's um directional sign and direct and directory sign. You have two definitions. I don't have a preference. Just tell me which ones you want to keep. directional sign. >> So there's three definitions
>> there. Well, no, there's two there's two directional signs. >> And there's two directional. >> Oh, two directional two. So we need one or the other. Okay. >> That's a that's fine. Usually you only do the purpose of indicating the location or direction.
>> The blue ones. >> Yeah. Yeah. The yellow really wordy. >> Yes. Yeah, >> I thought so too. >> Okay, >> next page. >> Lawyer wrote that one. I'm sure. >> Yeah, I'm sure. Took a lot of time, lot of work. >> They were obviously paid by the hour. >> Page 137. You have two definitions for
doublefaced sign. >> Again, no preference. Just let me know which one you like. >> The yellow one. >> Yeah, >> yellow. >> Yep. Next. >> Um,
>> all right. Page 140, you'll have the definition of festune, which has already been there. What I'm asking now that you're allowing it because previously you didn't allow for them, do you want to put any limit on how often or any kind of limitations?
We just made them temporary. >> Yeah, they fall under this temporary sign code. Yeah. Right. >> Yeah, I think it's fine the way it is. >> Okay. Page. >> Yeah. You say we do. We allow them. >> Now you do. Wait. Yeah. Hold on. Go
back. >> Talk about how we we prohibited it. >> I think you did. Now you allowed them. It collapsed out. >> Didn't you say you saw them in Brazil there? >> Yeah. Go back. I thought we had >> It was It was signed specifically prohibited section 1213 and you guys
wanted to >> Oh, it is crossed out. >> Yeah. >> We have another copy. It was It was there or something. I was Okay, you're good. >> Okay. Um page 143, you have two definitions for ground
assigned. Short is round at the base of >> Yeah. That's the blue one. >> What? >> The the black one, the non highlighted one. That's ground level.
>> Ground sign. It's yellow and >> Yeah. There's a yellow ground sign and then below there's a ground sign in blue. >> Blue. The blue. >> Yeah. >> Short one. Everybody knows what a ground. >> So, we want the short one. >> Mhm. >> Well, since the term ground sign includes pole sign
to the ground. Well, >> we have a pole sign definition too, right? So, >> is there potential for conflict there? >> The the top one says, Eric, ground sign means the Hold on a second. Ground sign
means any signer other than a sign. >> So, it used to be separate. >> And so, my question is, is pole sign was there going to be a conflict? Pole sign is defined as a sign independent of support from any building that is mounted on freestanding poles or other
supports so that the bottom edge of the sign face is 8 ft or more above grade. Do we do we take out the term ground side include ground sign includes pole sign in that case >> has its own >> you can just you know because it has its own definition so you don't really need it
>> guess okay >> I agree yeah >> and I and so like the difference if you look at the yellow it calls out that the sign itself is actually touching the ground it's not on a structure right and where the the
shorter version is basically saying any sign supported by upright of braces placed on or in the ground. So it >> So I think you probably need the the yellow definition, but maybe you could scale it back some >> cuz basically >> or just leave the yellow definition as
the better choice. I would say in this case I would leave the yellow one >> since Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I agree. >> Okay. One page 154. You have two definitions for illuminated sign. What?
54. >> I'm sorry. 145. >> 145. >> Did we not do nothing in that meeting? >> Oh, we added that, right? >> It's been in there. >> What's it highlighted? >> Just for me to know that that's my note
to me. There's two of them. You have to >> Oh, there's one below. Gotcha. short version. Black short version >> and blue >> illuminated sign and illuminated sign. The yellow has bullet or uh one, two,
and three. And then illuminated. >> So this well that black one is talking about illuminated from an exterior source. LED sign is illuminated from inside. So this this this non- highlighted version is basically got a light shining up on it. That's an illuminated sign from that perspective. Um the other one
>> well they both say illuminated sign means a sign which either one two or three and then illuminated sign means any sign which contains integral integral I can't say the word artificial illumination. So they're duplicative.
>> Oh it's yeah right that it or contains lighting on it. That's what you're saying. Okay. >> So, for Port Richie's purposes, I would say the short version is fine. We don't want >> delineation. Yeah. It's fine.
Page 152, you have two definitions of offsite sign. >> I like the blue one. >> Y that's funny. >> Kind of self-explanatory. >> Really? >> Okay. >> And you can see the the one highlighted
says see outdoor advertising sign. That's on that same page if you want to. The blue one actually does cover everything without sending you on a search for outdoor advertising sign. So >> yeah, you probably just make offer sign and say exact same thing. The blue thing
says means a sign other than on premise sign, right? >> Say that again. >> Just make it just like you did offsite >> other than on site other than off off on premise. >> So do the the two short the but sweet ones for those. Well, there's there's
only one for off premises, right? >> No, there's two off. Oh, wait. No. Yeah. Off premise sign outdoor advertising sign. >> Yeah. On premises shows see on-site. And I'm assuming that on >> the off premises see
offsite sign. Yeah, that would be consistent, right? >> Mhm. We also have two onsite sign definitions. Yeah, I was going to ask that. See how that one says on-site sign and impressive on premises? Yeah. >> Do we need to have separate definitions
or can we just do it like that? I think do it like that. >> Yeah. >> Instead of having separate ones referring to each other, just so change those ones up top. >> Yeah. Make them combine the terms.
The yellow, I guess. >> I like the yellow. >> Could be because the blue is so tiny that I'm not drawn to it. might be your mind again. >> Well, the blue was what he suggested it.
>> No, it depends on which one you look at. The blue is because I I' section why it gets very confusing. >> So, we had them both. >> Yellow is is fine. >> Yeah. So, page 154, pull sign. You now allow pole signs. Um,
and that definition means a sign independent of support from any building that is mounted on freestanding poles or other supports so that the bottom edge of the sign face is 8 ft or more above grade. My question was um, do you want to have any other right now freestanding sign currently is
limited to 25 ft. Do you want some kind of height limit for the pole itself? Do you want something different for non-residential versus residential? Well, we already have a limit on the height res. Yeah, that's >> the pole wouldn't be allowed to go
higher than the sign. >> I would think >> I think all of the heights and the sizes are um condition they're restricted elsewhere in the code and these are just the definitions. So, sometimes I would stick with the blue one.
>> Sometimes your code goes back to the definitions to give you the specifics if it goes. wouldn't since because if we did it here, we'd have to do it everywhere and we'd have to do a review for that and start putting sizes in every definition in order to be consistent. >> That's what I'm saying. Some some of
your definitions have that now and some don't. So, it just depends on different it's not consistent. >> I would remove it throughout. I would just >> have to somewhere else in the code. >> Oh, I thought it was everywhere else like I don't think that freestanding is defined anywhere else other than the
definitions for the 25 foot. That's a lot. I really stink. >> Oh, look. Then maybe we take that 25. Well, we change it to 20 25 system. Maybe we just take the >> the hypnot. Change it. Take it out. >> Um, you have two on that same page. You
have two definitions of portable sign. >> Blue. >> Yeah. Obvious obviously you don't >> pretty basic >> but not on windows because that's >> signs are fun, aren't they? >> I love it. You're alone.
>> There's nothing better in government than sign code. >> All right. Page 165. >> And you could go and put some signs up. Aren't you? >> Are you changed over there? >> I don't know what you're keeping. >> How much longer you think we got with
this? >> I only have like four pages on this one. Almost there. >> Almost there. >> So, what's 65? >> Okay. You've now you are now allowing swing signs which um this is the kind of a basic definition I found. Swing sign means a sign suspended from an arm
bracket or other fixture in such a way that is free to swing freely. You've not allowed these before so they're not addressed anywhere else. So the question is you want to address size um address any issues with storm and wind and >> it's a definite safety issue. I'll just
leave it there. >> I thought we had put that in the other I thought we had just went over that we were going to keep all of that in the >> It's not that you've never allowed swing signs, >> right? >> So, they're just talking about not sides necessarily. That could be one part of it, but swing signs swing. >> I understand. But we added swing signs
into the code at some point >> weeks, months ago when we did this. Did we not >> All you did was take it off a list that said you cannot have >> Yeah, it was. Yeah. So, there's no this would be the only place. So, it has to be addressed.
>> So, look, this needs to this can't be frustrating. There's too much too much happening, too many changes. We need to there's things that need to be addressed and we don't want to do it quickly. A swing sign that's swinging in Florida with hurricanes needs to be addressed. >> Sure. Absolutely. And >> that's just one example. I mean, >> from what it's sounding like to me, this
can't be a first reading either because we are going to have a very sloppy code if we have every Yeah. Mhm. >> So, I know I know people are waiting us so we're trying to get this done, but with all these changes and then actually changing things that we changed last time, this really needs to come back for a first reading at next next next time
instead of a second reading. But there are things that need to be I think you can you can do nothing with swing sign and leave it like it is. I think that's something you need to talk about. I mean, think just think of think of the optics of >> Well, we rather than trying to do maybe
>> take it out. Take it out. >> So, you want to exclude it again. No swing signs. No more swingers. >> Okay, next. >> You have two def. Oh, let me talk page one. Page the bottom of page 165 on page 166. You have two definition of
temporary signs. I am recommending that you keep the longer one that um was drafted by attorney because it helps bring your code up to date for the law. >> Sounds good. >> Thank you. >> Page 168, you have two definitions of wall sign
and they're different. They're not even >> definitely different. Even the numbers aren't the same. So what what is the text of the code? Which one complies with the code? I think you're allowed to It's not It's not prohibited. You can have one. I don't think they're addressed anywhere else.
>> The bigger the better. Go with the yellow. >> Let Let them have 18 in versus 12. Let's be friendly. >> We We talked about for a long time too on that one. I remember. Can you see it from the far? So, we're going to yellow.
>> I would say lean on the side of generosity. It's not a big deal. >> 170. You have two definitions of window sign and I mistakenly struck one out too soon. So, pretend that's not struck out yet, but I know if you want the highlighted one or the one
that's not highlighted. one limits to four weeks. >> I like the yellow one actually. >> Um >> yeah, yellow because we're limiting to four weeks on a window sign and why would we limit a window sign? So four
yellow. >> She looks like she's done. >> We're done. You'll see it again >> next time you see it. Just we won't read it. Just >> Yeah. Right. Yeah. >> Yes.
>> Or no. No. It'll come back and we'll >> find any holes anywhere. >> Right. >> Sides. >> Can't have that now. >> It's not that you can't have it. It's that or who doesn't define it either way. So go ahead and like we don't we
don't I mean I'm sorry you could never right so we went back to what we were doing but >> we still removed it from the code right now we're just not defining it >> the code you need >> a big one >> so right now it's >> defined
and and it's excluded >> but if it's if it's excluded you don't really need >> that's right because you're saying that is it a generic idea yeah if you're going to allow it >> but is it in the specific specifically um not allowed category. >> Okay. All right. And yeah, then we can't
have those anymore. >> We did have a long back for it first reading next time due to >> so we will uh do I need a I got a motion to table. >> Can I get a motion table?
>> Motion to table the sign code uh first reading ordinance >> till next meeting. Yeah. Is there a second? >> I got a motion, a second at least a second. >> Okay. >> And your next ordinance is the one that's been traveling with this for the WD. So I would probably just keep that
on the same track because that that that's going to reference this. >> So >> any further discussion, any public comment? All right. Ready for vote. All in favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> I. >> Opposed. Motion carries. We make it a
motion then to >> we keep them together. >> If I make a motion to keep item number five with item number four. >> Second. >> What is item number five? This is a motion. >> Go ahead. Yeah. Please look at it in case there's any changes you want to make. Just we changed the waterfront
overlay district to say signage. All signage shall comply with chapter 121 of the city's land development code. >> Yeah. So we got a motion table from Lisa and a second from Christine. Okay. Any any more discussion? Any public comment? See, put a vote on favor signify by
saying I. >> I. >> I. >> I. >> Opposed. Motion carries. Okay. No more sign code tonight. We got uh next up is item number six, lean payoff request for 5701 Regis Avenue. I'll pass
that to Mr. King for introduction. >> I'm going to pass that to >> Adam. >> Adam, >> are you tracking? That's this was a lean payoff request for 5701 Regis. >> I don't think Adam knows about it. I can I can speak to it if you like me to please.
>> Um, as you can see from the information provided, there's a number of outstanding leans on this property. It either has been sold or is in the process of being sold. I think it has it has been sold. The um individual who purchased the property did not know of the leans. They are trying to um clear
the title and you know clear all the leans up and and do that right now. Um, as of November 18th, the um, all the lanes added together totaled $9,468.64. They have offered to pay $5. I bet they have and I think you should
take that deal. No. Um, they're offering to pay $5,000 to get everything cleared up and released. Um, there is nothing in your town uh, city's code that allows city manager to make that determination. Some some cities do have that and that may be something we want to look at in
the future, but you don't have to obviously. So, it comes to you guys to make that determination if you um want to um settle the matter for $5,000 um versus not settling it for $5,000. Obviously, the pro is you're get $5,000. You have a
new purchaser on this property. You're going to hope that they know to keep it up because they're looking at how much they're paying because someone didn't mow in the past. And >> sir, I've got a question for you and >> I'm sorry. Go ahead, Don. >> I'm I'm tracking this one and because of the I guess the length of this problem
set and how long we've been working it. Um I'm just providing like I said just information. I would recommend taking the 5,000 and moving forward >> because if not this is this this is
problem is not going to get solved anytime in the near future and it may not get solved period. But if he's willing to provide the 5,000, I would take it. >> So I'll add to this without doing the math, but it looks like the 5,000
actually covers our cost pretty much. The rest of it interest. So we basically waving the interest portion of it. >> Yes. >> Um and obviously a lot of this is mowing which obviously, you know, does it really cost us hundred some dollars to mow a lot or whatever? It's it obviously
it's so I think $5,000 probably makes some sense. Um on on a flip side of that too um which I wanted to ask. We talked about these leans going to the tax appraisers office. >> That would be your question. >> And so what um
>> have an answer? >> You do have an answer. >> I have an answer. The city needs to get a contract with the property appraiser and tax collector and then I can draft a resolution. And this was before >> one of those things on my so if um we >> and I have not had a chance to talk about that. >> Okay. So just >> it's on we have a list and we haven't
had a lot of time >> but that's I I've been updated on this through Andrew Butterfield and based on on the historical information and based on I guess his discussions with Nancy um his feedback to me was you
know we can we can draw out this process at his interest and we can just recoup that 5,000 or we continue to push for the the rest of that which we will probably never see. Well, it so with this new method, it would go on the the
next tax bill, >> right? >> Um and so of course they didn't pay the taxes on it. Then it would continue to roll. I guess it' be our tax at that point. >> I'm not on I I don't agree with that for this, not for this. >> Well, no, I'm not I'm just saying in
general, right? Yeah. Going forward it would. But >> so if we and the other question I had is if we do that, does that open up all our leans for negotiation? >> Yeah. Anyone can anyone can anytime >> we behold them to negotiate it down >> and that's not necessarily a bad thing to
title agencies should informed these people though they should have >> that's that's the thing they should be responsible but >> there was that's how these leans came about there was a title surge done >> I thought he had repurchased it though >> it was purchased but that they weren't paid
>> well how they weren't paid at closing >> I guess >> yeah how do you buy a piece of property and not have a lean lean search done on that property before you buy it, disclosing what these leans are and then those leans being paid at settlement. How does that happen?
>> Cash deal, right? >> It's a cash deal. >> Yeah. >> With no title search. >> Y there's no title company involved. >> But this was >> so a couple things. D and I will continue to
work on the um getting the contract with the property appraiser and tax collector. So that can be something you guys do in the future. But for this particular situation, you know, >> I I I think we go back and hit them up at six grand is what I think we do. You
told them tell them to take 6,000. >> I think we remove the exact interest amount. We the the interest comes off and we take >> the amount of the >> the amount of the initial >> what is that >> because I believe this the the offer is
lower than the exact interest amount. >> Let me add it up here once I find >> I'm just telling you if I bought a piece of property I I don't think I would try to go in and offer less than the value of the property or less than the lean. The lean's the lean. You maintained it for years. Somebody bought it. Who in
the world buys a piece of property and doesn't know the lean search? That doesn't even make sense. >> From 2014. >> Yeah, but even on a cash deal, you you go to a title office, they close the deal, they run the they run the uh the >> lean a title search.
>> So, the amount that we're in without interest is 6,166.96. >> That's what I ma'am. That's what I think we go with. I'll make the motion. >> What was it? I'm sorry. >> Um, if we're going to do that, let me make
sure the math correct. So, two, >> this property had to have been sold twice because it was an empty lot and a house was built on it. >> I don't believe there's a structure on the property now. >> Yeah, there is.
>> There was a demo at some point in 2012. >> I don't know that. Yeah. >> So 61 or 66 >> minus interest. >> Motion motion to take to counter at the
>> amount owed minus interest. >> Amount owed minus interest. >> That should be 6,16696. >> Okay. Okay. >> That's fair. >> Okay. >> I'll second that. >> Okay. Motion to second for discussion, public comment.
>> I don't agree. I think we're >> got to get there. >> Got to be on the mic. >> Name, address of the record. >> Adam Thompson on 633 Ridge Road right here. I live here. >> Uh well, I I think we're setting a bad precedent. I think everybody is going to
owe us something is going to come here. But I agree. You have to do your due diligence. They owe us $9,000. They owe us $9,000. If he's got enough cash to buy a cash property, he has $9,000 laying around. I I just I personally believe that. But I mean, I think at this point you start taking off interest. Everybody's going to come through here and be like, "Hey, we did this." You know, and we're negotiating
all these things down. And, you know, right now on the books, we have $9,000 that's owed to us. We we we're wiping away 3,000 bucks or something. So, I just I do what you want. I'm going to follow your lead, but I just don't agree with it. I think we do the whole 9,000. >> Some of these things were from 2014.
This house sold in uh this property sold in 2020 and then it sold again in 2025. sold twice. >> It didn't get caught. >> There's one from 2012 in here. >> Matter if they do a title search. >> It's It sold at least at least twice.
That's a far I just went back as far as 2020. >> So >> how this one obviously didn't have title search done before. So how how were they alerted that they had these lanes that what they trying to do? >> They did after the fact. >> I I don't know. We don't know get them
and provide them the information. So I don't know. So they they bought it not knowing the risk and then they decided they're like say oops >> and he could just stay in it and not pay it. >> Uh you know there's least >> resistance there there's um there's ways
to look at this and I I totally agree with Adam. You know it's it's it's there right but um and also I'm understanding cash flow situation too. we can get it taken care of and not worry about because if we don't if we don't take that the $6,000
we're uh we're not getting 9500 for how long right where we're getting six the present value money and all the different things take consideration maybe it's better to go ahead and take the discount but >> this is why I asked a question too do we set a precedent now that everybody's going to be asking to come down and you know >> they can ask and you case by case basis
and you make that determination >> and and and from from my belief in you know with Adam's discussion you know the interest is that's self-inflated by us based on the prices actually bought them. So that that's ethereal. That's us just wanting money. So it depends on how
far we want to move forward with this. Um because it's been sold so many times and because this hasn't been caught and this hasn't been addressed. I kind of find it hard to have the end buyer be responsible for the entire mess >> because it's like if you bought the
property and you found out that it owed $9,000 on it, but it had been sold three or four times with all these issues and now you're like, "What the hell?" So I understand that you know there's a lean cost on it but what can we do to
rectify what has been a significant problem over time that is not this person's fault. The only pro the only problem this guy created was purchasing the property without getting you know this paperwork before he did it. >> It's his fault.
>> Yeah. Well, and I would too. I I agree with you, uh, uh, city manager. But the fact is is we put out uh, citizen money. We put out taxpayer money out front. The interest is what we're we put that out with no no nothing in return. We didn't get the property. We don't have nothing in return. So, that's what the interest
is doing. It's saying, "Hey, we loaned out your taxpayer money to this and we're making back $3,000 off." >> Well, we're not making interest on that money. >> The city is So, we're saying we're saying, "We took your tax dollars, spent spent $6,000. We're making $3,000 off. we what has been going on since 2014 12
>> 12. So like I I really think that at this point in this juncture we're not talking about something that's 2 years old. We're talking about something that's been flying around here and and the taxpayers have paid this you know 20 years ago you know whatever 1015 years ago. So I I think that the interest case is is in this case I think is something that I don't think we we we let go
because again we use taxpayer money that we got nothing back for and all we're doing is just recouping what we gave out 101 15 years ago. So that's just my that's my argument again years ago to somebody else who's the one that collected this debt. >> This guy didn't collect this debt. He
bought it >> not knowing there was debt against it. So me I have a hard time you know I think the money should be recouped what we invested and then like the $6,166. But me morally
I think it's I think it's bad. Now, this can be a what do I want to call it? A an exception that that we support, but it doesn't become the norm because we want to resolve something that has been in bad
standing for so long that at least somebody should have caught it and brought it to somebody's attention to be able to address it and solve it before it became $9,000. >> Yeah. Does the city have any responsibility for this going so long that we could uh take something off for
I've got some leans expire. >> They do. >> 20 years then we get nothing. >> Yeah. So, we got So, the only thing you could do before working this this out or or um doing what you're thinking about doing or adding it back to the the
>> the bill the tax bill thing >> um is forclose. And that's been talked about here before. I think it was you were here because we've been here pretty much together, but it may have been before everyone else. But there's an expense in that. You have to pay the lawyer. you have to file paperwork. Um, it's going to cost thousands of dollars
to try to get thousands. Um, and if they challenge you and fight you, it's going to cost a lot of thousands of dollars. So, that's always kind of been that that's your only options. >> You wait for someone to buy it and pay it off. >> But, with again, that's why I brought that up with our as we go forward with the tax bill, this becomes
>> right less and less of a problem >> because it's going to be on tax bill next year. I would I would expect and you assume you've had this. I don't think it's happened since I've been here, but sometimes just in in in general, even when they know about the the leans before the purchase, they will call the municipality and say, "We're
purchasing this. We'd like to work this out." It's not uncommon at all to do that. And it's just a decision by you. What's the property? Is it now in compliance? All those things come. >> He doesn't have to pay it. If he says, "Well, screw it. Then I'm going to pay it off." >> Well, he'll let it wash over time. It's
uh so here we have a motion and a second on the floor. Um >> I'm still in discussion. Eric, if you need a minute. >> Well, right. Nobody's called a question yet. So, I'm I was going to add one more thing. I'll turn over to you, Chris. Um the on the amount recorded, we have a
charge to file the lean. Is that include? So, on this 125, I'm assuming it's 125 is what our charge was and we had to pay a lean fee on top of that. That's not reflected here. Correct. Or is it >> I record? Yeah, you just get >> based on what is provided by the
building department. They say with $125 to >> you find a link. >> How much is the link? >> $10 per. So yeah, >> probably add that that many times just to make sure that we recoup everything. >> 102. >> Yeah, it could have been right. Chris,
you have the floor. >> Thank you, Eric. This house just sold two to three weeks ago. You don't buy a $328,000 house and not go check the leans on it. >> I agree. >> Okay. So, it just sold. It's a nice
house. This is not some dumpy lot. Some guy didn't like buy it in a poker match. This somebody bought this house. It's a It's a nice house. It's new. It's got a garage. So, this is not some cheap dumpy house. I think you stick with the money he owes. And that's what it is. If he didn't if he didn't go do the lean
search when he bought a house for $300,000, then he needs to pay us $9,000 which is owed to the city. >> Okay. So, I have a motion and and second on the floor. Do you guys want to move forward with a vote on that or do you want to retract it? >> Tell me the motion. >> So, the motion is is to accept uh right
now to accept um everything owed except for the interest. I'm going to revise my because I do want to add $10 for each lean because we need to get everything back that we have in this minus >> every bit that the city is owed. So add $10 on for each le.
>> If you're trying to recoup the reporting cost, we need to actually find out what the reporting costs were. >> Well, I'm just I'm going to I'm not going to word it exactly like that. I'm saying I want to charge $10 per length additional to.
>> So I revise my motion to um deduct the interest from the balance and >> add and add $10 for each lean. Well, you're going to have to has to be if you're gonna if you're going to call it
that, what she's saying is you have to has to be correct. If it was $9.99, it need to be 999. >> Find out how much it is. I was just add what it was. >> No, I don't want to put her through that. >> So, maybe if I could $200 >> if I if I could we can we can just
>> $500. >> You can you can just say we're willing to wave this much interest and it makes it easier then you can account for that. You know what I'm saying? uh the just this interest total >> um the so the if you add it up it's
6,16696 so you could say we'll take you know we'll take 8,000 we'll we'll write off 1,46864 interest or whatever something like that and you can account for any >> there you go there you go that's how I would do it >> let's just get her done
>> just deduct the interest off of it off of the balance we we will so >> we're going to wait so you you want to make a motion to wave how much interest? >> Um, 146864,468.64. >> Okay. So, we're going to So, basically, we're going to we're going to basically
come back and say we'll wave 1,46864, which makes the total uh $8,000. >> Okay. I make a motion to wave the interest of >> Well, so we're a minute a motion to this >> and I already had a second, which was >> Bob.
>> Bob, you second it. Are you okay with amen? >> I second the the first one. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, you have to you have to allow the amendment. >> Okay. I'll I'll second it. You >> have to allow it. >> Well, no. Well, if you allow her to I second it. >> Okay. >> Okay. So So the second is an agreement.
So we have a motion to second for $8,000 to wipe it clean. We're waving 1,46864 interest. >> Is there any further discussion? Nancy, >> instead of putting all that language into this, can we just say we're willing
to settle for $8,000 instead of saying you want to wave all this? Just say, "Hey, >> based on this, we just want to we're willing to settle for >> Yeah, that's what it is. We just The explanation was we just took some interest off. >> If he decides, no, screw it. I'm not going to pay it and not address it
again. >> They're going to pay it. It's a new house. $329,000 house." >> Yeah. So if if he says no deal or whatever, he's just going to not give us anything, well then based on what we're moving forward with is he's going to have 8,000 he's going to have a $9,468.64
tax bill on top of it when we go next year. >> Next year he'll have to pay the taxes in the tax. >> Be mindful that interest is daily charged. So that was as of >> right. >> So it would be more. >> So it's growing every day. >> It could be at 12,000. So, whatever whatever it is, >> I think we should just do the 5,000.
Stop it. It's been since 2012. Just stop this. Move on. >> We got a motion in a second for 8,000. Is there any further discussion on that? I I hear your your call out. Anybody else? Any public comment? >> Just get it done.
>> Seeing none, I bring back for a vote. All in favor 65 saying I I >> opposed. Motion carries four to one. >> Okay. Next up is item number seven, surplus of impounded vehicles. I'll pass that to Mr. King for deduction.
>> I'm not I'm not tied to that one. That's I believe that's under another one that chief or legal. >> I'm happy to Yes. >> explain it. It's the same thing you see every so often when the chief gives me these little packets and I return it to him. >> I'd like to make a motion to continue
the meeting till 9:30. Oh, good. Motion to second continue meeting any uh for discussion and public comment. See I put a vote on favor signify saying I >> I >> I >> opposed. Motion carries in the meeting and then going back to
>> the surplus. So you is the list of vehicles that have uh need to go to surplus. Just approving it. >> Yeah. >> Just need a motion to approve >> motion to approve the surplus of impounded vehicles. I just motion a second. Any further discussion?
>> Yes, further discussion. >> Yep. >> Chief, were we ever going to get a rundown of those vehicles that were going to the auction? >> Yes, I have them for me right now, but um I didn't get them in time. >> We have it, but I I didn't get it in time in the agenda with the holidays and
everything. So, we can get it to you a copy on the next agenda if you want it, or I can just send it to you. >> I'm okay either way. Hey, if you just want to send it to me, so I can read it. That'd be great. >> Okay. Any other comments? Any public comment? Seeing that, put a vote all in
favor 65 saying I >> I >> opposed. Motion carries. Next up, item number eight, GSK13 subrant for highway traffic safety funds. I'll pass that to Chief for introduction. That something you can introduce. I guess
>> this is the same grant that we've had before for traffic safety. is paid for. But the Florida Department of Transportation, it gives us up to $15,000 for overtime to go out and aggressively um take drunk drivers or repair drivers off the streets and highways of our city.
>> There's no matching or nothing, no cost to the city. >> I'll make a motion to approve the subrant agreement with the FDOT. >> Can you add to that authority for >> city manager >> signature or the city manager sign? I think it has your name on it, doesn't it? >> Yeah, I can say.
>> Okay. With approval of uh of the chief signature. >> Thank you. >> Second. >> Um Christine had a second. Move it before you. Any first discussion? Any public comment? See, put vote on favor signify by saying I.
>> I. Opposed. Motion carries. Uh next up is the GSK90 subrant for highway uh traffic safe funds. Item number nine. Uh is it so that this is another grant for the Florida Department of Transportation for
aggressive and um driving and excessive speed driving initiatives to uh make traffic safe during the city. It's a grant for $50,000 in overtime for reimbursement to our department with no cost to the department. >> Motion or discussion?
I make a motion uh to approve the subgrant agreement with the FDOT um SB2026-322 >> strict signature of the chief. >> Okay, second motion second for discussion. Any public comment seeing none put vote all in favor signify by
saying I >> I >> oppose. Motion carries. That concludes council business. Next up is old business. Um, is there any discussion old business before I open that up? Um, old business from earlier in the meeting. Um, I got a question matter if
he wanted to address the half million dollar conversation we talked about earlier. You okay with with that? >> Absolutely. Okay. Adam >> Adam Thompson 633 Ridge Road. Uh, I so I listened to some of the meeting on the way here this this afternoon. I do apologize for not being here. I buried
my uncle this this afternoon. So I apologize about that. But of course y'all are talking about something when I'm not here that I should really be here. Um I I did hear that we have uh 500,000 of um uh unaccounted for money. That is uh not true at all. Um what
happened uh so I'll I'll just make it clear our financial part of it of this audit is complete. It's every dollar is accounted for. What we're looking for in this is is just uh what they call um um basically what happens is everything
you do by our ordinances, everything $2,500 and above has to be capitalized. So what we did was when we looked at the uh year um the financials this year, we looked at some of those projects that were uh operated by or done by ARPA and those things because they were over
$2,500 had to have been capitalized. So that's what we did. We capitalized those projects. The problem is is when we capitalize those projects, those POS are probably two years older than what we were dealing with because that ARPA money had already been spent. So when you do that, what happens is they come back and they say, "Hey, we see this
$127,000 uh uh capitalized project because that's probably what we spent in that fiscal year. It may be a $900,000 project, but what we spent in that fiscal year and they want um they just need the uh um invoice for it." We're having a little difficulty with that because what they
send us over is just says waterfront project. that says some things that we are not 100% I try to get with uh SA some of those things it could have been the uh the um redress that we were trying to do downtown um uh why it's labeled waterfront I'm not really 100%
sure but we're trying to just locate those things that match that PO and the problem is is we're not finding that dollar amount because that PO might have been $900,000 PO this is just what we spent that fiscal year that had to be capitalized so there's no every dollar for this year is cap is accounted for we did get our draft audit back and We had
only 11 uh adjustments because we made most of the adjustments in the before we sent it out to do that. 11 adjustments is very very good uh for us. And I think most of them were just like 18 cent here and 19 cent. I think one was like 55 cent. Um there was a couple of uh other
adjustments that um uh had to be made that I couldn't do on my end. They're backend accounts that I can't do. Uh also uh we only had three um three memos. So, those are the things that they send to you guys and say, "Hey, these are what we found that was wrong with with uh with the audit and how the
process was handled. We only had three. Two of those were because they had to make those adjustments." Um, and most of that is because I I wasn't here in that in the first part of that fiscal year. So, we we we made those adjustments based off numbers and not having those um POS and stuff to the previous thing.
But, you have to tie everything back to the to the beginning of the fiscal year and the end of the fiscal year prior to that. So, that's what we did. It's almost like force balancing a little bit, but but we have the numbers. So, it's not like us just plugging numbers in to make it fit. These were things that were already in process, but I just
I we didn't have any idea exactly what it was. We knew that we spent that money because some of those checks that I've written myself and we just so we just had to capitalize those things. That's why kind of where we're at. But the audit actually for for what we've done is has come out very well. We're just looking for a few more things. Uh, I think the only thing that's really
holding us up right now is they're asking for some uh information from uh tax roles from 2015 and 2023. Because I wasn't here when they started the TIFF process, I couldn't find um the tax role for that. So, they want like the top 10
taxpayers. I did get a hold of the county. They're in actually in the middle of doing something else right now. So, they're supposed to be getting that information. So, as soon as we get that, we're all good. Me and uh Lindsay or Lindsay and I, I should say, we sit down. What you have to do with this is you have to dissect it. It's 200 pages.
We dissected it and put it in the AFR, which is a uh which is um the financial report for the state of Florida. It's all in there. I actually sent it to our auditors on Monday evening to have them just check it over and make sure we it was, you know, pretty much correct. I didn't get an email back from them that said it was wrong. So, it's ready to be
uploaded. So, once we get our actual final numbers back, all I got to do is just verify that nothing has changed and then we send that over. So, that's kind of what we're waiting on. All in all, from what I read and and what um we had our consultants look at it as well, it was a very good audit. So, um we should
be proud of that. It's just nine months late. >> Yeah. Right. >> What's our what's our projected submission? >> It's ready to be submitted today. I just we I'm just waiting on the final numbers from the >> It has been submitted in draft. You said >> we cannot submit it to the state because it's in draft form and we can't submit it to our debt serer which is the uh
League of Florida cities who holds our debt for our 2018 bond or 2016 bond. So once we get the final numbers and again I verify that all I got to do is hit that submitt button. It'll go right to the state and then I send them the actual draft portion or not the draft portion but our uh the original and then
I'll send it over to um to uh the Florida League of Cities. I've been in contact with them throughout this whole process because we actually were in default with them uh starting I think in June. But so they just go to their board every month and and extend us out a little bit. So um we're not as uh as as
of last month, we're not getting fined or anything by them. We're just waiting on this thing to come through. So they they understand that and so we've been on board with that. I think I did talk to um Mr. King, I think, or uh maybe I can't remember exactly if he gave me the idea, but we're going to go ahead and
submit the our draft form to um um to the state and just let them know that it's almost done so that we don't get those types of fines or anything like that. Now, as far as the next one, we are I'm going to get with uh S tomorrow on our new auditors, kind of get what we need from them and start that whole process over. So, we should be in good
shape. But other than that, I I want you to know it's it's about >> 94% complete and it's ready to go. So, but I didn't want anybody to think I didn't want anybody out on the outside to come in be like, "Oh, lost we lost 500 grand." We didn't. Everything is accounted for. These are just backend stuff. They really should have asked us for that back in June or July because
the asset process of that and that's what it goes into the asset part of our module. So, that's the only thing that was off. So, >> appreciate appreciate that explanation. Any other questions for >> No, we're good. >> Thanks, Adam. >> Okay. Any other discussion? Old business? >> No, but I do have an issue um that I I
need to address. I had told a resident that I would ask about the addition adding to our CRA program. Um, town homes, owned town homes with homesteads. I forgot to do that, so I don't know how to address that. >> Well, CR means next. So, we can
>> Oh, great. Perfect. Okay. >> Any other business? >> I just real quick signs on Washington Street and um Speed Humps on Grand I spoke to Daryl Rose uh yesterday. The speed So we're talking about the speed
bumps on the ground or speed signs or both? >> The speed signs on Washington and the bumps on ground. >> Um he's still in negotiations on getting quotes for the speed bumps. Um I wanted him at tonight's meeting because I knew this was going to be brought up. Um and
then the speed signs have been ordered and we're waiting for them to arrive. So that's we're just waiting on the the signs themselves and he's waiting. He we tried to reach out to Ajax Paving to do the speed bumps like we did before, but they've been unavailable. So he's reaching out to other vendors to do the
speed bumps. So as soon as I have more information, I will bring it to council. You're welcome. And then um on the the intersection bullet, I looked at the status. It looks like we've moved forward on that, but is it back in DOT's court again? Do I need to make another
phone call? >> Yeah. Right. Right. >> I I have arranged a meeting with the city manager and myself to meet with Chris Martin, um the engineer who's responsible from uh Burns and McDonald who's working with FDOT on the project because I wanted to bring the city manager up to speed with with Chris and
you know get a get a live followup um on that. So, we should have more information for council for the 27th meeting. Um but as far as I know the drainage calculations were presented to FDOT and that was done by the engineer and completed. So FDOT is once again
just has to approve the permit but the I will >> so that was submitted >> before the holiday >> before the holiday. So >> and so I'm hoping this month we should we should get an answer. >> Everyone is back now. So everything everything should be well why don't um
why don't we give them till Friday. >> Okay. to and if it's not done, let me know and I'll Friday afternoon like noon >> actually during our lunch on Friday. Let me know if you update and and I'll send a message to Justin and say, "Hey, can
you look at us again? See like it's back in you guys." >> A few months, right? >> For this particular instance, yeah, but it's been a long time since we started this process. I mean, it's, you know, >> it's been over two months waiting on a permit, >> right? So, but >> okay. So, yeah. Friday.
>> No, no, I I've been keeping you I've been keeping you in the loop and as long as as far, you know, as far as I keeping Don in the loop as well and the city manager email. So, I've been constantly every time I get an update, I've been sending it out to you and the city manager, um, you know, to to keep that going. So,
>> um, the more you know, as I get information, I bring it, you know, I bring it forward to you as a council. And just like I said, just on anything, not just this, but you know, I know stuff sometimes gets on somebody's desk, it sits and sits and sits. You guys are waiting on something. If it becomes in its obsessive or whatever, let me know
so I can because I have those contacts. I can reach out and have their boss check into it. And normally that helps facilitate things. So don't don't ever just sit back and and wait for a meeting. I just shoot me email. I'll happily engage trying to push stuff along. So or anything. >> Yeah, we're not doing that, Mayor. We're
engaging. So I'm not letting anything stand. >> Nobody heard that. >> What >> motion to adjurnn? >> We got comments yet. >> I have one thing I wanted to just remind like Danny had talked about as far as name road after Kirk. We talked about
that. >> Well, let me So I'm going open up comments. I'm start with you. So I'm open up comments for mayor city council. Councilman Hover. >> Okay. So I just reminded people on that. Um, just think about it. Maybe the next meeting or something or a couple meetings we can address that, put on the
agenda and give the name to Nancy. She's got an application that's pretty straightforward. And then put movement on that. >> Yeah. Um, one, there was a resident actually reached out as well about that on his particular street. And um, what I told him was is, you know, reach out to your neighbors. And here's the thing on
that. Um the you may have uh people on that street that you intend to rename that may not be on board with that because it's you know change your address whatever survey yes >> for a new new street or something like that becomes a little bit easier but actually rename something if you're talking about a like a major highway or
something at a road that has like maybe one or two addresses so you don't have like a street bunch of people that you might have more problems with trying to make it as easy I was >> as easy as following river golf drivers or something. But if you got residents that want their road named after it and
they all agree with that >> I know he was working he's he said he was going to get a petition together and see that. So >> Okay. >> I'll get a hold of him. I know who it was. >> Yeah. >> Cool. That's even better. >> So, um I know making mistakes if if all really want that. That'd be an easy one to to do that. So,
>> any anything else business? Uh councilwoman Sland. >> Um just can I get an update on where we're at with the appraisals of the bait shop properties? U we just had a meeting with Northstar who's handling Northstar engineering
who's handling all our um our appraisals for the properties for the water uh the RORO plant and and that property. Um I just need council consensus to move forward. Um, I'm also in talks with the city attorney to finalize an agreement with Northstar so they can you know move
forward as far as uh you know if necessary providing a purchase price and and providing a you know counsel. So um but I wasn't sure where we were at as far as the going forward with the bait shop. I know >> well we we asked for like what what the
prices would be and I think at the time we said about three to four, you know, $3,000 for the appraisal. So does council want us to move forward with the appraisal on that particular property? >> Yeah. So that was it. That's last thing to check it. I think it was exact amount. We was basically saying come back to us and tell us what the cost of
the appraisals are going to be and then then we would >> Yeah. So that >> we did last time before the holiday did we not? >> Well, we didn't action it. So the is it is that what the cost is? 3,000 for the appraisal >> as as far as what our engineer told us.
>> Per appraisal we need three. So be about $9,000. >> Yeah. Probably going to know I think at least two at least two because of it's over 500,000. So we at least we need at least two appraisals, you know, because it's over $500,000. >> Are they considering the property one contiguous property or is it five
partial 3,000 each? >> I have to look because I think it is multiartial, but I'd have to I'll talk to the clarification. There is it is um divvied up, but I'll ask them for clarification if we're going to have to pay for an appraisal for every single parcel or
>> because we're trying to buy the entire Yes. If we can have by the next meeting, if that's okay with you, by next meeting, if we can have what our appraisal cost is going to be out the door for those partials combined, how much we going to pay to have these appraised, then we can make a decision.
I know it's not you'll have too late for the agenda, but we can do that as an update. Old business update. I'll put it on there. >> Okay. Anything else? >> I have one more thing. I've had a couple residents and a couple different um groups online wondering what the plan
is. And I know that there probably is not a plan at this point, but um how will how traffic will be handled where the new apartments are going in um on Grand because of the excess traffic that's going to cause like on Pier Road and um
not Grand I'm sorry on 19 19 and Grand. >> What apartment you talking about? The Gildog properties. Yeah, the increase in >> Oh, okay. Well, so so the answer is there there's no plans, >> right? >> We don't know if pardons going in or there going to they just cleared it. It's going to be a big swimming pool. We
So, we don't have anything official. Um going back to what I said earlier. >> Um there may be um a change in um their idea for that parcel, right? >> Um but that being >> wanted it on I said I would ask since I
didn't have an answer. would ask >> and since that was a different me let me go ahead and repeat that. So um it's not really public none of it's really public yet because it's nothing's been submitted to the city. Uh we did get those initial drawings which were shared out there which was a a building with
apartments and whatnot swimming pool and pickle ball courts. Uh that was kind of the original concept drawing. Um and the the initial ask from the developer was the whole incentive thing where they they wanted some uh CRA benefits um on the back end um since about $4 half
million dollars. Since then um they have uh went back to the drawing board and they're looking at potentially doing something else which I've not seen. They have reached out. I think they're ready to bring that to the city and they they wanted to have a conversation with me uh last week but I was out of town. I think
the question is more that are we as a city if this were to come to fruition are we as a city going to do something to control traffic are would we then at some point do >> so depending on whatever it is that they they they proposed to build in that
proposal there would there's traffic studies and all that kind of thing any kind of development requires that. So, um, it's not they're not going to say, "Hey, I'm going to build this building here and we're going to like go for it." And they're going to throw it up there and, oh shoot, we got too much traffic. It's all being >> said that to me, too. >> Does that understand that Highway 19
runs right through the middle of our town? >> So, >> yeah, >> I'm hearing about going to be increased. So, some will be pulling on, >> right? >> So, to answer the the concerns, >> seen the concerns. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. So that obviously it's a
it's a it's a very uh long process as they go through permitting and all that. All those studies have to be done. Um they're probably going to have a DOT cut off of that into that uh big lot somewhere that goes there's all kind of permitting and traffic studies have to be done. >> It is not like everybody will just have
to adapt. Everything will be changed as necessary. I just want to make it clear to the public that we're not all we're not all just going to adapt to. >> It would depend things may have to change per the code, per the the traffic studies, but sometimes traffic studies are quite surprising to people and it
doesn't require change. So, it really does depend. And I'm not saying that to scare people, but like we need to see what they propose. They're going to follow the rules. We're going to make them follow the rules and if they need to do something, >> there are guidelines. >> Yeah, there's Yeah, there there's traffic study. There's experts for all that kind of stuff to help guide the developer and the city. And obviously
those as we those plans get submitted and get worked through the building department, they'll come uh for approval, right? And the public comment, they say, "Hey, you know, I've looked at this." If they actually detail that they can look through um and they're going to see kind of what the impact's going to be. They can voice their concern and we
can take consideration our decision. >> Who doesn't study that they should be fired because they do a lousy job around here? That's all I can say. Yeah, >> it is required. So it is required unfortunately for counsel. At my level, we are tracking this. We're just waiting for
their final decision on what they are going to build because right now it's one or the other. And I'm not going to say what the other is, but they've got >> two possible proposals. One they've got to decide on soon. And once we get that
information, we'll be able to better address it with code. We'll be able to address and all those other items to make sure that what they build and provide that that we're able to survive the influx of
of of family members and people that live there as they come on to the highway. is most of the if you look at most apartment complexes, they're really good about stretching out stretching out the um compound so there's multiple exits so that they're not all jamming in
one one specific traffic spot. >> Yeah, that's something I can't just say, you know, I can't just go out there and answer those type of >> We owe you facts. >> Right. There you go. >> And a lot of that be brought to light as they bring that forward. And just just to finish that, the thought I was
sharing is obviously there may be a change of direction and with that change of direction, um there's some positive things, the one positive thing is that the city won't need to help with that development. Um and that also the commercial part of the uh development, the phase two if you will with commercial and and that down there on
the water front is they could actually move forward with that much quicker. Um and so which obviously is is benefit the public because we start to develop our waterfront and have some sense of place. So we don't have to help out necessarily with uh CRA money on the back end. Um which is a good thing. They still
achieve the same uh measure that they need and so it could be a very positive change in the wind. So we'll see. >> Thank you. >> Um any other business? I mean comb 3rd. Is there a meeting? February 3rd
>> workshop I was >> which not we're in comments >> which workshop >> so the comment it was something about the park development of the parks >> I've got I've got it written down here real quick >> I just wondered what time that was if that's >> oh with the Tampa Bay Regional Planning
Commission. I don't know. I don't >> know the one that he requested, but I thought you I thought Don was going to come up with um his plan and then we would go from there to determine if we needed that meeting. >> The you had requested a meeting at the
beginning of this meeting, a special meeting to discuss um the five-year strategic plan. >> Yes. Yes. Yes. >> And that was for February 3rd. >> No, no, we haven't set that yet because that's something we're going to put in place. But you've got the Tampa Bay park
planning uh presentation. You referenced the CRA. That's three February. >> That one's in place. And then you got three February. You got a the council received 30% engineering brief. >> That's not meeting. That's they're delivering that stuff. >> So that probably be on an upcoming agenda.
>> So items on that's a due date. So February, that's all I'm tracking. >> Oh, wait a minute. Something else. >> Actually, I think we're we're a little off track here. Let me just do some corrections. So, and I thought we were going to discuss this at CRA, but the the Tampa Bay Regional Planning Council wants to have a workshop on February
3rd. Oh, >> okay. So, they don't they don't want to present on the 27th. We're going to we need to do a workshop and that's going to be a liveaction basically manipulation of of the park plan to get council to get the board's input. So that that and we need a workshop for
that because we're going to analyze all four parks and go through each one itemized and we want to schedule that for February 3rd which we're going to bring up we're going to bring up at the CRA meeting because it's a CRA it's CRA project. Okay. >> So all right >> but that will come up in in the next meeting in a few minutes. Okay. And
that's and that's key to our strategic plan as we start developing that moving forward. Okay. We already have a workshop on February 3rd for the abatement and the special magistrate. So >> I don't have that. I know we talked about it. >> We didn't schedule that. I don't think
it's I think >> you had scheduled to cancel. I don't think it's been res. I guess that's when the only reason it would be on my calendar was when Andy canceled it before and wanted to reschedule it. So I'd probably just reserve that date which is fine in those.
>> So we always do better linkage for when leading change. track it. Okay. Uh that way ahead, Christine. >> Yes. >> Okay. I'm gonna go out to Zoom to vice mayor, mayor. >> Uh I'm going to keep it short and sweet.
Don, welcome aboard. Thank you, sir, for investing in our city and we certainly are happy to have you here and look forward to great things for our city. That's all I've got tonight. >> Thank you. Thanks, Vice Mayor. And then, Councilwoman Burke. Okay. And then I
covered most of my I think I had just a couple. I did mention that. Um Oh, Tallahassee. So, um I know you're not going, Christine's not going. Are you going next week? >> No, I won't be able to go next week. >> You can't go next week. Okay.
>> Um so, we get Mike that count then. So, just myself, Vice Mayor, and you. >> Okay. >> And then see, I think I covered. Okay. The last thing I have is um so the Nature Coast Chamber of Commerce has um
revitalized um and and I know they started those monthly community markets that we're having in Waterfront Park. They are they've started those up again um except they're going to be changing the venue. Um there's one this weekend, Saturday the 17th from 10 to 5. It's
going to be in a Walmart parking lot. Um Walmart has agreed to allow them to um do that once a quarter. And so those have been scheduled out for the first month of the quarter there. >> Saturday or Sunday? >> Saturday. Saturday. >> Um and so that it's also going to be
branded as the Port Richie second Saturday month community market. Um kind of like Newport Rich has their fourth Fridays. We're going to have the second Saturdays for the market with with the nature coast. Um, and they're gonna rotate around. The the hope is is that
Walmart I think Walmart was a little gunshy on just opening it up and letting have there because of the car show and how big it was and how much activity it generated. I think once they see this, it's a little smaller. It's not going to be that much impact. They'll probably let them do that every month. The idea is is in Waterfront Park, um, at least
before when all the the trees and stuff were in the way. You couldn't know anything was going on there from 19, so you didn't get any organic stops. Um, and the signage was there, but it wasn't wasn't great. Um, so not a lot of people knew about it. Um, the hope is now at the Walmart at least and with the
branding of a second Saturday, it's it's an ongoing thing, but at the Walmart, they've got built-in traffic for people going to grocery store. They're going to see that there's a event going on there. They're going to naturally walk through. So, it's going to provide a lot of foot traffic for the vendors and hopefully it convert to sales for them and it'll be a good thriving market. Um, so that's kind
of the goal. the the second one, February, and they're all they're all set up as uh kind of themes. Feb New Year's market is this this this month, Valentine's Market, February, the the March one is a seafood festival market, and then like that, Father's Day, Mother's Day, and the different things
for each month, Christmas, whatnot. Um, and so the the second the way it's set out now is the second uh month is going to be at Cancun Beach and the that property parking area that they have between that and the Gildog property. And then the the the third month of the
quarter will be at Waterfront Park. Okay. And so that's kind of they got laid out. They're thinking about moving the >> Say it again. So So Walmart >> So Walmart, Cancun Beach, Waterfront Park, repeat for now. That's how they're they're scheduled.
And are always 10 to 5. Always on the second Saturday except for this first one. It's the third Saturday. Um rest second Saturday. The um uh the other thing I was going to tell you is I lost my train of thought.
>> No. Um anyway, so that's going Oh, that was so if if we could put out Saturday's market on our website for the community, let them know it's going to be happening at the Walmart. There's there's a flyer and stuff out there and I can make sure that they get it over to you. Yeah, I was going to say
>> I'll let Caroline know to send it over to you if we can put that out with an alert so people know because obviously we want that market to be successful um for a couple reasons. It it you know creates activity in the city and it um it's good for the community to have something to do and and um businesses to
thrive. So >> but before you return I have something to share. >> Yeah. >> Oh um >> she's I'm trying I'm holding her off holding her off with her motion over here. >> Okay. That That's all. >> All right. Thank you. I just want to let you guys know that um your next meeting
on January 27th, I will not be here. I'll be in trial in Tampa. So Zoe's going to be covering >> just like getting hired and taking a vacation. >> Before I want to recall that whole vote, >> just kidding. Just kidding. She's coming. She's coming and she's been here before and you know you guys enjoyed her
and she being here. Yeah, she's very very good. Very good at what she does. Um but I'll be in trial and I won't be able to get here in time. So thank you. I appreciate that. And luckily it's not for poor Richie. It's for a different count. So that's exactly good news. So I just want to let you know that um I will send the email to remind you when it's closer, but I'll let you know that I won't be here on the 27th, but Zoe will
be >> awesome. That's it. Now, >> so the 27th is be the new first reading for the sign codes. That's defining we're not reading again. No, I will. My goal will be my goal. This is what we'll try to do. I will try to fix everything super fast, email it to you
>> so you'll have it and if there's issues maybe you let let the city manager know there's already an issue. >> I prefer that I can look at it at home and just >> I and I'll you won't have the hardest part is I won't have the comments so that if you don't remember why we did something just call me. >> Sure. >> And you know that that'll be the goal.
I'll get it to you as soon as I can. >> Thank you. >> Okay. kind of.