Would you like to do the roll call? >> Chairman Shawn Pool, let the record show that chairman Shanpool is currently absent from today's meeting. Member Randy Stout >> here. >> Member Lorie Simpson >> here. >> Member Michael Ferez >> here. >> Member Ronald McDonald. Let the record
show that member McDonald is absent from today's meeting and our standin city attorney zone Zoe RS. Uh do we have any uh comments about the planning and zoning board meetings from uh this October 14th?
A motion to approve. >> I move to approve the the minutes from October 14th. >> Do we have a second? >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I oppose. I Okay, also um and do we have
any comments from the general public? >> Anybody would like to speak [Music] >> to say my name and address and stuff. Ryan Burke, uh 4529 Harbor Point. Um, I
wanted I think I told you guys a meeting or two ago, but I was out of town last meeting I was going to come with some more informal like just open for discussion, answer questions, get thoughts and feedback on kind of our original what we're we've come up with for uh the the development of the um
property over by the the waterfront. Um, and we have that now. we have something that we have gone through the financials on, the diligence on, and something we know we can build and do. Um, and we've already have the uh the the means to do so and
really get this project moving. Um, you guys probably notice over the next several days there'll be a lot of activity. We originally the person we hired to do the silt fencing didn't do it correctly. Um, so we have folks over there now dredging correctly, putting up
the silt fence. Um, and we're going to start clearing uh and demo on Monday pending this silt fence goes in correctly and we can actually get moving forward. Um, so that'll be I think exciting for the community to see the activity happening.
But we've been moving um hopefully for all of you understand like pretty fast um for a project of this magnitude. Um, so I have some some handouts for you all if it's okay to give to you. >> They would have to they would have to to vote those.
>> Okay. Um, I have them. >> I just want to accept them. You'd have to make a motion to accept those. >> I move we accept this information. >> Do I second? Do we have any discussion?
>> All in favor? >> Awesome. >> Opposed? Um, >> thank you. >> So here I know I'm popping off real quick, but some highlights. Um, we've gone down a
little bit on the density. Um, and kind of combination. This is what you're seeing the renderings of is phase one. idea would be to start phase one and transition into phase two to be really efficient with the the contractors and builders so that they can if they're
driving pilings on one when they finish they can move to phase two. We've shifted more of the residential to the 19 property with more retail and commercial on the waterfront. Right now we have about 43,000 square feet of
retail storefront um proposed and uh largely most things being elevated above ground level. So more retail on a second level with kind of an amenity deck that you walk open to the public. Um also a publicly
accessible deck on the waterfront on the top floor that will hopefully be a nice waterfront restaurant up on the top floor of um phase two. Phase one though is kind of where we're we've invested most of our our time and money because
of the fact that we want to get moving on that and then quickly move into phase two. So, thank you and ask the questions if they like. >> Yeah. Uh, in the render is this is this the
5acre parcel that abuts 19? >> Yes, the rendering is the 19th thing we're going to get going right away. Hopefully generate some excitement. We also want to get more people in there. Um, especially with the demand for housing right now. Get more people in there. Really nice places um that will
be within hopefully a budget for most people and in a in a rental capacity. We are um so you know we are 99% going to go even less density on the waterfront with larger condos um along with the retail
>> that guy. Um so the rooftop restaurant you're expecting so you're looking over waterfront park. >> Yep. Nice. >> Ideally we can work really closely with the city. I think there's a huge opportunity to connect the park into the
waterfront retail area and it almost creates an amazing loop for people to go for a jog, for a walk. Um, but really kind of tying the park into it. >> I just want to note on the record that Chairman Sean P is currently uh present
for today's meeting. And this is I think you know from the beginning we said we want your guys feedback. Um it's heavily focused on phase one. Phase two we'll get into more detail in renderings. We're investing in those now but again less density waterfront goal is 43,000
ft of retail shopping restaurants and then the rooftop restaurant will be on the waterfront. So in your site >> so this is the are the two parking structures >> is that part of phase one >> that's phase two parking will be
underneath phase one >> okay >> and surrounding u but mainly underneath the building so on the first floor phase two plan is first and second floor parking but the back half toward the water is all retail >> okay
>> running along the water with twotory retail on the end cap app. Um, we show a building A and a building B because we can only build building A today. >> Gotcha. >> Because of the land that we currently have. >> Sure. >> Thanks. Very nice. >> Yeah, it looks good.
>> We're um right now budgeted for about a 52.5 million investment in phase one and about a $78 million investment in phase two. Now phase one parking I'm assuming is for that building >> correct? Yeah.
>> Um phase two parking will be open to public. >> It'll be designated spaces for residents again going less dense there larger places less parking need but then hopefully opening up that where we'll do the first ground level will all be public parking. >> Awesome.
I apologize if I missed the conversation prior to team walking in. Um, just kind of walk me through is the first two or three pages. Is that the images that from I'm assuming phase one on 19? Is that what we're looking at? >> Yeah, it's 19. Yeah, >> perfect.
>> Shifting more resi over there so we can create more space for retail on the waterfront. And your building height here listed at is is this what six stories or seven stories that you're you're trying? >> I think it's six. >> Okay. Is that the plan? >> We'd like Okay. >> Going up higher
I don't think creates any value um for the community that we heard the community wanted to keep things lower. We're keeping them lower. Um we can get to a a number from a density perspective that allows us to afford to be able to to build the building. I mean, I think you're going to get a
better community response for sure going left. That that's always been the biggest complaint, right? You don't want to see nine stories on US 19. >> So, so that that that's aesthetically it's very aesthetically pleasing. And I think the larger I think the larger
while it decreases the number of families you have to populate the restaurants, it draws a crowd that's more likely to populate the restaurants. >> True story. Um I think and I think it fits the aesthetic you're talking because what are your roughly what are
you thinking um square footage wise in some of in the condos themselves like are you are they 1500 2,000 >> waterfront we're looking right now at penciling some things we have some smaller ones right now at 1,200 and the largest at 2300 square feet
>> but I think that fits the rest of the neighborhood the houses in the neighborhood 100 to 2300 square feet um most of them um so I think you're still pulling the same family structures, the same, you know, your smallers are going to cater, I think, to your retired folks
that coming in without kids. Your larger are going to bring families in with kids. Um, I think it fits the dynamic of the neighborhood. I think >> and I I think that we're going to have demand in this area. We are like every market study we've done has shown us given us the confidence that we can
stabilize this very very quickly post construction with occupancy. >> Well, you're going to be some of the some of the only available property that's flood compliant. >> So, >> and also I think it'll make retailers feel a lot better about coming in
knowing that they're going to be on the second floor. Um, we think those end caps where we do two stories could be a larger store that has their stuff up that needs to be up. Stuff that can easily be moved on the ground floor. >> Yeah. And then having public parking
that when we have an event, a storm event, there's nothing there. >> There's nothing there. >> There's nobody parking there. The people that are the residents that are there that even if they're evacuating and they're leaving second vehicles, they're leaving second vehicles on the second floor. >> Yeah. I mean, >> third floor >> having >> Yeah. having lived through it 5 ft.
>> Um, luckily our ground floor was just our bikes and tools and things like that that like weren't inexpensive to replace but replaceable, >> right? >> Um, we want this to be the same so people have peace of mind living there that they're never going to have to worry about flooding. >> Yeah, sounds great.
>> Very similar. >> Yeah, very similar. >> Yeah, I think but I mean obviously San doesn't have public parking. Um, so having all the parking up means that you're the city doesn't have to worry about evacuating vehicles and things like that
that are on that ground floor because there aren't any. >> Ground floor should be solely retail and restaurant visitors >> and that should all be empty if we're having an event. So seems seems seems like a good idea. >> Yeah, these renderings here, these are just phase one. There's no renderings
for phase two. You just see kind of the layout, >> but the site plan makes sense, right? the the parking for the site plan makes makes sense in those second buildings in the phase two buildings. >> Good. And like and guys, I would open all of you and I don't know if you I don't know all the rules, but all of you can call me as you think about it more.
We we want feedback um you know based on today's feedback, we will move forward with renderings and investing in the renderings um for phase two. So you you all can see that. But phase one was more urgency because as soon as we finish the demo next week, we'll be working on
closing our debt financing for phase one. Um, and getting that squared away so we can get to work. Um, start putting filings in, start building. >> Well, it's been a vacant property forever, so I think excited to see something going in there that's a
logical spot to get everybody fired up. And we've done >> we've got a local builder Tampa. Um, so we keep it local. Someone's got a lot of waterfront experience. They've got an office, main office here, another one in Jacksonville. So they're they've done waterfront. They they get it. Uh, it's
important to us. We wanted to keep it someone here. >> Um, what kind of time frame are you looking at for phase one and phase two? >> Estimate. rough estimate. >> I'm an open book. So, um, we
appear to with very much certainty qualify for HUD financing. Um, that gives us some good terms allow us to put shovels in the ground as soon as possible. Um we are closing trying to close a gap
of about somewhere between four and a half to $5 million of capital outlay. Um and then but HUD is very very clear on once you start the formal process and do
the interview nothing can happen on the land. So we have to get it cleared. um soon as we get it cleared, we will begin that process. Uh looks like government's opening back up. Um so hopefully that means we can get in for
an interview quickly. Uh our ant we're we've hired a firm to do it that all this this firm has a department that all they do is HUD. So they know the people. We've got to go to Jacksonville to meet um with them and do the interview. Uh we
have to get a noise study once we initi after the interview. Um and a couple other things and it's just how quick they move >> to close. >> Um we would love it to be early spring.
That's that's our goal >> to start. >> Yeah. And the minute we close that >> and then >> we go the next day. >> How long do you think it'll take? I mean a couple years. >> No. No, our plan is occupancy in there
2027. >> What? It's It's really This is really going to change our city. This is awesome. >> Glad to hear. Thank you. >> Yeah. >> Mike, any other questions, comments? >> No.
>> Excited to see where where we >> I commend you. This is a step in the right direction. finally has just as Lori put it is that it's finally nice to see something finally happening for those of us who have been here a long time and and asked for this change for many many years and to have a resident
that's doing it is the key part. >> So, >> uh you have no idea how much that means to hear >> a long couple of years with not a lot of complimentary things said. So, I really appreciate >> but I think this this will this will satisfy many of those questions concerns.
>> That's >> the aesthetics of this and the fact that it's not nine stories where we're breaking the ceilings and everything else and we're trying to change the world basically is going to satisfy and calm a lot of the residents because the concerns are valid because change is difficult for everyone, right? So many
of us embrace change which is why we sit on boards like this but for many of the citizens they just see it as the way you're changing. They they can't go get their wings at their yada yada wings at Gildoccks anymore. You know what I mean? And that to them is is is lifech changing. This is not this is
lifechanging. This is changing for our children, for the people who live here and who want to live here and we can take our golf carts and ride around the corner there. That's big. That's a big thing. And part of the fact that a resident's the one who wants to be part of that. >> I commend you and I will put on the record. I commend you immensely and I look forward to kind of seeing how we
kind of move forward and the city council of course will be do their best to make sure you you get the support you need. But yes, wholeheartedly well done. >> Well, and I think the push back that you got originally was because they couldn't see what you were trying to do and the
initial renders I think scared everybody. >> Well, I think it's there's an education involved too. You say the word HUD, people automatically think, you know, subsidized living that stuff like that. that that's the first thing they think and they're or low income and that that how many times we have that conversation, right? So there's always
these misconceptions and 90% of misconceptions are caused by a lack of education. That's all that is and this is the first step into educating them and getting public buy in and that's a big part of that. So okay, any other questions because any
other comments? >> No, just we're excited. I mean I I could not be more thrilled. I was there this morning as they're starting to put the the new silt fence up. Um, you know, confirmed that the crew is ready to start clearing Monday pending building official going out there tomorrow and
saying the silt fence is is done correctly this time. >> It's good stuff. >> It's just for me, I I cannot tell you how excited I am to be at this phase. Um, I said from the beginning, like my
my intentions in this were very selfish in that I wanted a place for my wife, my daughter, and I to be able to go and enjoy and feel safe, see nice things. Um,
and I'm thrilled that we're getting to a point that we can do that. And I hope that everyone else is equally selfish wanting a place like we can all say this is our home. This is our area. Take friends and family there. It it's it's exciting. >> It's a funny use of the word, but I
think it's the reason we all sit here is the selfish desire to make sure that we make a better place for for our children, those of us who live here in our in our residents, in our neighborhoods. So, because our neighbors come to us and knock on our door and go, "What in the bloody hell is he doing?" has a conversation. I mean, Mr. Hoover
understands it more than most. He probably has a revolving door of people coming to his house asking questions and so yes it's that's a I think it changes the entire idea. Yeah. And I think there's that there's education in all aspects, right? Like I think people have been sitting going, "What in the world's
taking so long, >> right? >> We've been figuring out a way to invest $120ome million dollars into the waterfront area and do so in a way that's pleasing for everybody. And it takes a lot of work. And then also
stumbling like had no idea we had to get gopher tortoise study prove there's no buried septic And then I think the last one was an asbestous test. Like we didn't know. So we submitted like three times because each time we just didn't know. Um now we
know which is great. And I think we're all kind of going through it together and everyone's been great. >> Question. Do you have a name for the project or for the building or phase one or anything like that?
>> He's not there yet. ideas. Um, we want it to be what the community wants. Like I know that was originally called the water. Uh, was it the Cody River Landing? >> Well, Cody River Landing is the place. >> Uhhuh. >> I don't know what
>> I mean. I think we'd be opening up to back. I I >> I'm really not married to a name at all. That's >> so >> this at Cody Griffin Landy. >> We'll have maybe we'll have a fun contest around it. landing place. >> The landing place >> that might not be a bad idea to to get
buy in from the citizens to have a >> contest. Let people vote. >> Help us name the development. >> Yeah. >> So, I was just going to comment that I know when you originally talked to everybody, you were saying that, you know, the new Muffet Cancer Center is going to draw a lot of maybe a lot of doctors want to live over here on the
water and my daughter lives over in Lando Lake. I'm like, "Oh, that's going to be too far." But I timed it. It's like 20 minutes to get to the first part of the new stage. So, they're definitely gonna be coming in. >> Yeah. I mean, there's an executive right now building two lots over from me.
>> A Moffet executive. >> Um, it's coming. >> They're coming. Oh, it's coming. >> I'm glad you didn't give up on us. >> Yeah, >> it's exciting. >> Thank my wife for that. There were plenty of times.
Thank you guys. And if you have any other questions, again, just ask. Feel free to stop by and ask me or or call me. >> Thank you. Good luck with >> Mr. Chair, if I could. Right. We You're gonna come to council tonight, correct? >> Yeah. >> Because we have a we have your sponsorship plaque, so if you're going to come tonight, I we can present to you
then. >> Make sure if you're not coming, I we could do it now, but uh if you'll be back tonight, that'd be >> perfect. Thanks. >> Okay, perfect. >> We already did. We're down to um
>> I didn't know if we had from the >> Oh, they're for this this case. >> Perfect. So, in that case, any other comments from the board that are not related to the agenda today regarding anything else? >> No. Okay, moving on along. Uh today's
agenda, I will turn it to the attorney. >> Oh, thank you. Uh item number two is definitions or updating definitions for special needs and senior housing uses and off streetet parking requirements. Um the proposed ordinance updates the city's land development code to
modernize terminology and parking standards for special needs and senior housing uses. Uh specifically, it adds new definitions for assisted living, independent senior leave living and congre congregate care facilities and additional definitions and as I mentioned updates uh off street park
requirements, you have a presentation, I'm assuming >> I'm ready. You ready for me? >> Yes, ma'am. >> Okay, let's do it. Uh good afternoon. My name is Tammy Verona, Verona Consulting, and I serve as your on call city planner. Uh, today we're I have a little presentation for you and then I'll open
it up for any questions that you have. Um, so why are we updating this code? We received a request for variance. I'm going to go back to my notes here. Um, uh, for the best care senior living facility on at 5905 on Pineh Hill Road,
because of the parking standard, uh, they they were not able to meet that on their site. So we looked into what the standard was for the city and it looked to be in comparison to other communities quite high. So this kind of led us down this road and when we got into the plan
or the code we realized that there was a need to modernize definitions for those different housing types. Um those are in accordance with Florida statute that has been you know changed over the years since the land development code was first adopted. uh we wanted to calibrate
those parking standards. So we we looked at um the um this it now institute of traffic engineers, transportation engineers manual and then also standards from other communities to compare what was on the books for the city of Port Richie
and then also we want to u make sure that we're supporting housing diversity and resiliency in our community. So the affected portions of the land development code are two. The first one is section 101-11 which are definitions
and the second is section 127.14 off streetet parking. So for the definitions when we got into looking there was a definition for um community residential home and there was
references to congregate care and group home but there was nothing for assisted living and and of course um some of the references in other parts of the code um didn't have a place in definitions. So what we ended up doing was to add new
definitions for assisted living facility, congregate care facility because those are legacy and other parts of the code and then something called independent senior living which is similar to um Abigail Court when that came through. That's kind of a 55 plus
but independent living. They asked I think Veronica said that they had asked for variance when they came through. So they also kind of hit a a barrier with the city's existing parking standards. Then in the course of this we looked at community or residential home and
updated that uh per kind of modern um terminology and also standards. We referenced group home only as a legacy because that is in other parts of the code. So we have a bridge between group home and other parts um of the code and this um section of the land development
code. And then also for nursing home we um uh defined that to include skilled nursing facility which is it's no longer nursing home congregate care facility it's now nursing home skilled nursing facility.
Then for the off- streetet parking standards, there was essentially one standard and it was go this now. It was essentially one parking space per bed, which is excessive when you look at
what the data shows and also what other communities are uh are uh using in their codes. So what we did was we created a standard for assisted living facility that would be one space parking space per two units or one space per three
beds. When these uh entities come forward they um uh they have to stipulate in their licensing lensure if they're going to be by units or by beds depending on what their type of care is. There'd be one space per staff on the
largest shift and then one space usually there's a facility vehicle for community residential home um which was called group home um back at the time the land development code was adopted. It would be one space per four
residents and one space per two staff that are non resident. Uh sometimes those are small homes like six persons to a group home and so it could be a resident that's actually um providing all the support at that particular site.
For independent senior living like an Abigail Court it would be6 parking spaces per unit and one per staff on the largest shift. And then continuing the nursing home, skilled nursing facility, missing my
parenthesis there, would be one space per four beds, one space per staff on larger shift, and one space per facility vehicle. And then this is something that kind of looks at a hybrid um type of facility that might come into the
community called a continuing care retirement community. And so you could have an instance where people start out in assisted living and then as time goes on they might graduate it to more of like a memory care. In that case we would look at what the sum of the distribution of those types of uses
would be in that particular business. Um and then also we could accept a study that shows what type of parking demand would actually be um um reasonable for that space and that would be subject to approval by the city manager.
So the benefits of of this type of an amendment is to of course clarify definitions, eliminate any redundant redundancy, but create us uh make us go a little crazy when we're trying to define things. Uh simplifying simplifying the zoning interpretation
and site plan review processes. Um also if we're if we're reducing the amount of unnecessary parking area, we're reducing u pvious surfaces. uh so that affects our drainage and also visual uh impacts
within a in a neighborhood and then also it supports uh housing options within the community. And this is just some data that I pulled from the housing element which is pretty much prepared and will be going to the uh comprehensive land use plan committee
for review and then uh to the planning and zoning board um after that. So this is just a little bit of data. When we looked at the the projections that were done by the um Bureau of Economic and Business Research at the University of
Florida, uh by 2045, the age 65 and over population in the city would rise from 941 in 2020 per the census to 1417. So that's a pretty significant increase. So that means that's a sector of your
population that you need to be thinking about what their housing needs would be. And then on the bottom it shows uh the population with a disability. This data is not directly from the census because that that site's been down for about a month. So I
triangulated with what was at the state and county level. So you could expect that um you know the total population within your community that has some form of disability is about 19%. So the public hearing schedule is of course today this is a public hearing.
Uh it would go on to the city council on November 25th and then if all goes well there it would go on to a second reading on December 9th. Uh staff has reviewed the the um city initiated land development code
amendment and found it to be consistent with Florida statute and the city's comprehensive plan that it supports housing diversity and accessibility and efficient use of land. Um it enhances administrative clarity and it's no adverse impacts to neighborhoods
anticipated. So with that staff has ma made a motion. There's a slightly longer one in your staff report, so you can use this if you like. Um, and I'll say thank you, but I'll go back. So, if you have that
motion in case you'd like to use it, and I'm happy to answer any questions that you may have. >> So, right now, we're just discussing tweaking the parking requirements. Is that right? >> The definitions and the land and the
parking off streetet parking requirements. And this was b brought to our attention due to a request for a variance because of this the stringent code we have currently >> and the a the um the owner's agent is here tonight so or today. So if you have any questions from them but yes we did
receive a variance. We looked at the variance and thought that well this looks like it's an opportunity to refine the code and make it more consistent with what actually occurs at those types of businesses. uh in your staff report you'll see my research or some of my
research for other communities. So the standards all stack up to what date city hills Newport Richie um I think Tarpon Springs might have been in there. Uh and the applicants agent also provided some of that information right off the bat.
So we were able to say well this looks like we should look a little deeper and find out if this is appropriate for a land development code amendment. So would the would the applicant need still need a variance? >> They would not need this modified. >> This would resolve that issue.
You want to have the >> Absolutely. Yeah. >> Hello and uh good afternoon. My name is Patricia Ortiz. I'm with Ortiz Planning Solutions and today I'm here on behalf of Best Care Senior Living. Um we
proposed a variance um for the location we have here in in the city of Port Richie. Um because generally you guys are asking for one parking space per bed for these um re you call them retirement
homes and really over time we the idea of a retirement home has changed. Do you know there's the 55 and up active community which um can be considered a retirement home because most of the residents are retired and looking for
that active um amenity focused lifestyle. Um but then there's also the assisted living facility in which the residents um require 24-hour supervision and assistance with daily living. So
that is the very basic things of getting something to eat, getting a shower, uh moving around. Um memory care has also become very prominent. And these folks who have um these maladies that prevent them from being able to bathe, shower,
eat, and move on their owns are are not able to pass the the driver's license test anyway. So requiring one parking space per bed for this type of use really um and I'm kind of going on my opinion here is not in the best interest
for your city because it takes up viable land for you know to be paved and creates heat island for for parking that's never going to be be really used. The other issue that we find with these assisted living facilities is that
visitation is generally low. And that is like maybe a good reason would be because you outlive all of your friends and family or potentially a a less desirable situation where your your friends and family have moved on and um
just don't have time to come and visit. But visitation is not it it's not zero but it's not as high as you know I think I would like if I were in that situation. So the things that we consider um would be the parking for
staff for a reasonable amount of visitation and for um the facility vehicle. Then um as times have changed a little bit more uh the patients aren't
really being brought to the grocery store or the doctor's office instead through services like Instacart. Um the and medical um facilities have now doctors who see patients, you know, they
they come to you. So to back up, like the patients who live in an assisted living facility are not going to be ordering their food from Instacart, but if they have additional monies, they may be able to use some type of service like that. Whereas in
the past, the focus would be on, you know, we've got to take the people so they can get out. So our society's changed, so it's kind of more brought to you type of culture. And so that was the impetus of our variance. Um, we
researched, you know, a reasonable number of beds based on, uh, what we see occurring throughout Central Florida. And we had actually proposed, um, something a little bit different than what Tammy came up with, but we're very, um, happy with with what she did. We we
our proposal had said 0.2 parking spaces per resident and Tammy came up with 0.25. Very similar. um the best care facility, which we represent, would either um reduce their request for number of beds. You know, they could
reduce the number of beds that they're proposing or uh potentially seek a variance if that were the case as I understand the code today. >> Okay. Any questions for the applicant? Frankie, >> um, are there any stipulations in
general about like delivery vehicles or anything like that to a a facility that you're talking about? >> Well, um, what we say is we say one parking space per facility vehicle. The state does not dictate a required number
of facility vehicles. So um traditionally the facility vehicle was you know a bus or a group of buses 12 passenger vans even that would take uh the residents to and from various
activities. But the facility vehicle in current times is one that's used to go and get facilities uh to get amenities to bring back or supplies. So, um, that's kind of captured in the proposed amendment which Tammy has presented.
>> He's asking about like delivery. >> Yeah. Like, you know, >> so that would that would fall under your um site planning criteria as far as like how wide your aisles are. And so, >> um, I know I don't know this is an existing business, so I don't know that
they're necessarily going to do a site. I mean, you're not >> No. Um well this is a increased number of beds. So it would I I would defer to you all on how that would uh affect your
site planning techniques. But generally um we're we're you might have an Amazon delivery. You know typically those are being done more and more through the box truck. um you're not going to have an 18-wheeler coming in and bringing you
know like you know larger items and and that type of thing uh very often. >> You had an observation with any issues? >> No, not in particular. Just curious. >> No, they have to have stuff >> delivered there no matter how big it is and so I don't think they
>> we all do, right? We're always >> I wouldn't expect a big Amazon vehicle to be waiting for a parking spot or something. I think there's has to be some place they can pull over temporarily. >> Yeah. So I think that would be addressed during the site review or planning stage
but there would have to be require your code wouldly it said one parking space per facility vehicle. The facility needs to each facility has different needs right there are different sizes uh different number
of beds different populations and different ways of doing things. So that facility will understand their own delivery needs and you know they'll they'll come up with places to make that happen because they that's a need
>> and typically those types of deliveries would be fairly swift. I mean, it wouldn't be necessarily like a a beer truck that's like doing a bunch of in and outs. So, but you know, those drivers, they get in everywhere. You know, they're but they wouldn't stay there very long. I would >> I mean, the things that we would
anticipate being delivered would be personal care items, um, food, uh, you know, it it we're not delivering TVs or beer or or restaurant supplies or any of that. So, you know,
that would just have to be a case- by case analysis in my mind. >> Right. Uh, the only qu we have something currently in stipulation for size of parking spaces. >> There are standards in your code.
>> It's that's under site development. So, when was this facility built? >> I'm sorry. >> When was this facility built? >> Oh gosh, I don't know the name the answer to that. I'm so sorry. I don't have it in my my paperwork here. Um I it wasn't in the last few years. It's it's
a little bit older, but I think the the compact car parking regulations have come along after the facility was constructed. Um that's rather new in terms of planning kind of >> seems like you get more that way too. >> That's right.
>> Right. and this and we still she'll have to take her uh request to the city I guess through the business tax receipts or or whatever. There'll be a process for that property. >> Yes. >> Today we're just looking holistically if
anybody comes forward to the city >> if uh what sort of standards would be reasonable for that type of use. So someone coming forward now even redoing a a space then code's going to building department is going to look at the current standard. If you're
reassigning parking, I assume that code's going to want to look at, okay, well, you're under the old standard. You have whatever it is, 75 parking spaces now. >> If it's a substantial type of change, they would look at that. Otherwise, there probably would be a level of vesting for >> um if it's just minor.
>> Yeah, it was more just a question of >> the difference between I drive a very large truck, so you know, the compact spaces. >> Oh, yes. I >> three of them. >> I know. I I hate that too when they all the spaces are compact and you're like I
just drive a normalized car and I can't. >> Well, I know a lot of a lot of businesses and a lot of residences now are setting aside two or three parking spaces for Door Dash, Uber for those type of quick in and out less than 10
minutes. Um that way those spaces are constantly available. >> Yeah. And in this type of use, the assisted living facility type use, the people who live there are really
unable to they're really not going to use those services unless like say you know you go to visit your mom and it's her birthday and you're like someone run out and get a cake or oh we could have one delivered go downstairs and wait for it. You you know what I mean? It's just
not a typical >> I was thinking more along the lines of for your staff. >> For the staff calling Uber for lunch. >> Exactly. >> They're door dashing lunch in. I mean, my guys are down there currently standing on a dirt pile and they're still door dashing lunch in. >> Yeah.
>> And and those guys are parked with their hazards on in the road trying to find the guy on the job site that that food belongs to. >> There's food production on site so you could just >> Sure. >> eat the meals that are there. >> Yeah. that this would that was just more of a question. I think I think that
becomes like you said a sight by sight um that's going to be a a if based on facility needs and that might be something that you guys simply do internally at the end of this go hey this has really picked up and these guys are blocking traffic all the time with their hazards on looking for who they're delivering to we're going to save that
one staff parking spaces now our transient door dash space so yeah I don't think that has a bearing on on the the code >> okay I will entertain any motions or discuss
or any further discussion. Lori, do >> I have any discussion? >> Okay. No further discussion. >> All right. I'll entertain any motions. >> I will be willing to read the motion. >> Fantastic. She's going to make a motion off what she's reading. Exactly. Sorry.
Thank you. >> Recommend that the city council approve the proposed amendments to sections 101-11 and 127-94 of the land development code finding them consistent with comprehensive plan
and applicable Florida statutes. >> Do I have a second? >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. Fantastic. >> Thanks for your time. >> Yes. You're very welcome. Um, do I have any further business from the board or any other things you guys would like to
discuss? If not, I will entertain any other motions. >> I move to adjourn. Do I have a second? >> I second that. All in >> favor? I I Fantastic. Thanks, guys.