Yeah, sure. [Music] council meeting 23rd 202 moment of silence before the prayer. We had obviously Kirk pass this first time we met since we remember him in that silence
and also Richie had obviously accidentally Gary Greger their employees passed away as a result of that Garcia was hospitalized I think he's been since released but we remember those guys So, Father, we come to you in the
precious name of Jesus. Lord, we just lift up Charlie Kirk and and the other ones that uh had the accident and the death. We just pray for their family, for peace, and we could reach out and let them know that we're here and that we love them and and however we could serve them and help them. I just thank
you for the city hall here and we continue to ask for wisdom and you've been giving it to us and we're growing as a city. We're coming together as a people where we play and work and do business. I thank you for the city for the vision that you give them. I'm grateful for all that you've done and
doing and will do in our life and through our life as we then have the stuff that's on the agenda tonight and with for the consent agenda and the public hearing and the council business. So, I thank you for the the team that are here to work together, the police,
the fire department. I thank you for the city manager, the vice manager, and the all operation manager, and all the council people. So, we're here and we just want to thank you in Jesus name. Amen.
To the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Madam cler have role, please. Mayor John Cooper here.
Vice Mayor Chris Mayer here. Councilman Robert Huard here. Councilwoman Lisa Burke here. Councilwoman Christine Sullivan here. City Attorney Nancy Meyer here. City Manager Andrew Butterfield here. Thank you. Okay, we've got several
groups of minutes to approve. Um I'll go through them one at a time and get a motion and a second for each one. Um the first one, the July 8th, 2025 city council meeting minutes. I do have a change in there. If we can roll down to as a typo, page nine of the the packet,
you'll see about the middle of page says Mayor Hoover asked that the motion include the refund of the $4,400 appeal fee. That should be $400. And it the one right after it states that, but if we get that corrected. So, if I get a motion to approve those minutes with the change, I'll make a motion to make the
correction to $400. Okay. Is there a second? Second. Motion second. Any further discussion? All in favor signify by saying I. I opposed. Motion carries. Next up, I need a motion for the July 22nd city council budget workshop minutes. So moved.
Okay. Second. Motion second. Any further discussion? All in favor signify saying I. I. Opposed. Motion carries. Next up, I need a motion to approve the July 22nd, 2025 city council meeting minutes. So moved. Second. A motion second. Any further
discussion? All in favor signify by saying I. I I opposed. Motion carries. Next up, I need a motion for to approve the July 31st, 2025 city council special meeting minutes. I'll make a motion to approve July 32nd minutes. Second.
Okay. 31st, actually. 31st. I'm sorry. Yes. Okay. Motion second for discussion. All in favor signify by saying I. I. Opposed? Motion carries. And finally, I need a motion to approve the September 4th, 2025 city council budget hearing
minutes. So move. Second. Okay. Motion a second. Any further discussion? All in favor signify by saying I. I. Opposed. Motion carries. Next up is comments from the general public. I do have a couple of signups. We'll start
with Danny Fields. Welcome. My name is Danny Fields. My address is 8114 Leo Kid. Again, I just want to thank you for your service. I want to also thank you guys for uh the memorial for 911. That was a great turnout uh
from the public and feedback. It went smooth and nice and I know next year it'll be a bigger event and so I get to be a part of sharing that as well. So it was great and I want to thank the the chief and the the fire chief and the
police for all that they did to be a part of that to lead in that. So, we want to give them honor and I want to thank you for showing up and we got to remember and not forget those who laid down their life and served. Uh, also we
got Carefest coming up at Waterfront Park from Somebody Cares. It's September the 27th. We're going to meet there at 8:30 uh coming this Saturday and we'll be back there for lunch at 1:00. I do have a list of projects there and this
is from Hudson and Port Richie and Newport Richie. So 10 of the projects are going to be done from Port Richie as well. Uh and so we're uh it it didn't have nothing to do with code enforcement on this, but it could end up in code
enforcement. So their grass is getting high in in areas and bushes and stuff like that. So we got a team that day is going to go out. They're going to clean inside the houses. They're going to cut grass. They're going to trim bushes and shrubberies and pick up any debris and make it look nice for the city. And then
we branched outside the city. So, there's 10 of them there. And I'll give you an example like right here. I don't want to post their address, but it's an an 83 year old woman that needs help with yard work and her gutters and cleaning and her bushes trimmed. So we
get that from senior nutrition versus meals on wheels and they vet everything through us and we go and evaluate it and then we go do the projects and then we do have somebody that does that every Thursday too if weather permits. Then on
another note uh we we did uh somebody cares with uh good news fellowship and light of the world adopted the park. So that day I'll be having a team there going through the park. We already filled out all our papers and everything and just uh beautify the park and help
out. Uh so we're willing to just serve the city and be a part of it because we're grateful to be here and work together with the city and watch growth and this is a great thing. So thank you for your time. Thanks Dan. Appreciate that. Appreciate you uh working with that 911 event as
well and for adopted park. Appreciate y'all. Okay. Uh next sign up I got Dave Mueller. Welcome. I thought we got rid of this guy, but here he is. Back in. Dave Mueller, 3327 Grove Place.
That threw us for a loop there. Dave, formerly 5439 Blueoint Drive. How about that? Anyway, uh, a couple observations. Um, I commend you guys for for knocking the budget out and getting that done. Going to hold you to it.
Um, next, two orders of business. One, you need to look at getting a full-time city manager in place. Whether you're going to hire um S and Andy, you got his tag up there, so I guess you're two individuals.
Oh, okay. whether you're going to hire hire uh Andy or uh replace him with another one, you need to start that process because we're in a limbo period there. And the
next piece of the equation is uh you need to look at hiring a full-time building official as well and getting somebody that is going to be here to help our residents put this city together in in a timely manner and appreciate it. Thank you. Thanks, Dave. That's all the signups I
have. by show hands. Anybody else like speak? Devin, welcome. Uh Devin Aaron, 5414 Bay Boulevard. Um couple things. Um Nick's Park is sort of on the sort of on the chopping block, it seems. And that, you know, every
iteration of of you know, city council seems for the past 10 years or whatever seem to kind of have an issue with Nicks Park and the boat ramp there and everything. But um if we were to shut that down for whatever reason, you would get a very full audience compared to, you know, sort of what we have. We
actually have quite a few people in here compared to what we we normally have. Um but I'm I'm concerned that um we're not concerned about, you know, our residents as much as we are maybe, you know, investors, whether it be Ryan Burk show or whoever it might be. Um but I think
that we need to sort of um be a little more mindful of what the reticence really want. I think we got some good property that we potentially um might buy for whatever price um you know is deemed fair. I think maybe 1.6 probably
out of the budget for that property, but I think that getting some proper appraisals and things like that is is in the works and probably should be in the works. And um I think I think connecting US19 all the way to Nicks gives the city
really kind of like the the the riverfront gateway to the to the Gulf here and what we have there. And combining the two properties that we have that we purchased to Nicks Park from 19 to the waterfront gives us that
whole strip which would allow us to do a lot there in the future and give the citizens a chance to actually have a say in what happens there rather than developers coming in and just buying it and doing whatever they want with it. So, I think buying that property is probably a good thing um and something
that we we should do. I'm I'm a little bit concerned about um some of the forces in the background with like the Ryan Burke show and things like that. I think that there might be a little too much going on back there and and um potentially might not be um as ethical
as it should be. So, I'm concerned about that. Um and uh the other thing is I was I listened to the um sign um workshop and um you know NY's been with us for you know years now and she's she's you
know a good person. There's nothing personal against her or anything but I think we need to find a full-time attorney um because we do have a lot going on with the city um you know when it comes to like AI and things like that. I know it's a new technology and not everybody's keen to new
technologies. You know, it's like um the horses were replaced by automobiles. Um but automobiles have been around for a long time now and AI is coming for most of everybody's job whether they like it or not. That's the reality of it. So, um, you know, if we're going to pay
Nancy, you know, buck 80 a year or her firm and she's got multiple, you know, cities that she's dealing with and things like that, I don't really think it's a good, um, use of our money. And also too, it's a bad use of our time considering we all come up here and try
to make good legislation for the city and not really get anything done. So, thank you. Thanks, D. Okay. See another bring back to the deis with comments for the city manager. I passed to Mr. Butterfield for his comments.
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh appreciate the moment of silence earlier uh for our uh colleagues over at Newport Richie and uh just proud of our team. The first response was to see what we could do. So S and Daryl led the way and uh our uh public works team jumped over there,
took our back truck and just wanted to be of whatever assistance we could. our our prayers are with the folks that suffered that. Uh had some good news for both police and fire. Uh we've received the uh grant for a drone for each
department. Uh we're also looking into getting some of the the tail for that the the nests that they have and we're uh working with the county closely uh for use maximizing use of the drones for safer law enforcement and u and safer
firefighting. So um more to follow on that but what was the grant for for drones for drones for drones? I think it's going to start with one drone each one each for for each department. they train them and everything when they do that or is there's the county's already got a
robust program and we're latched on to that I think for both departments right chiefs we'll be bringing that um forward to the council probably sometime in October as we get the drones and it does include the training monthly training and also assisting the county in getting their assistance on areas that we need to
eventually start a first responder drone program is there is it a matching grant or is it oh is outright grant. Uh we're we're looking for uh already asking for the housing units they refer to as a nest.
It's like a little hanger. Uh and then the county uh the county want there's a whole science to it of dispersion. So uh to minimize any gaps and coverage around the county. So all the municipalities who work with the county to uh so we may end up housing some they can go on
rooftops of buildings that sort of thing. So, more to follow, but our first birds will uh arrive. We'll focus on training before we're certified to uh actually do response with it. But there's all kinds of things you can scout out an area. So, there's no uh
so you avoid ambushes, you know, when people try to do bad things like that. Where are the grants coming from? Uh chief's helping from the state of Florida. Yeah, the state. Fantastic. I know we we originally talked about putting one in the budget last year,
purchasing one for the building department and Do we have that in the budget this year to still do that or is that No. Okay. I took it out. So glad we don't need that now. Yeah. So I've got a question. Thank you for the early I don't step on my toe throughout the
whole meeting. Um so I get it. You know in an ambush situation you just mentioned building department. Give me an idea what we're talking about using these drones for. Well, the building department can use it for all the things that they do for touring properties and taking photos
before and after. We used them before the storm. I had Hernando send a team down for the hurricanes and plot the whole entire coast of the city of Port Richie. And then I had them come afterwards and plot the whole entire course of the city of Port Richie. So, homeowners needed documentation that no, my property was in great shape before
the storm and this happened. This caused by the storm. We have all that video proof. So, I had Hernando come down and do that. We've used them on brush fires. We've used Hernando came and videoed our for our fireworks event for us. Uh, so we could put that onto the website. Um, and and for people can we can even do it
live. But that was just some of the things that we've used drones for recently. Um, one of the things that I keep on for that are advantageous to me are brush fires, um, mass casualty responses, and then things like people lost at the park, um, and kayakers and
boers. So, I if we get the nest, which is eventually something we're hoping to do, the nest is like a home base that it sits at. You can put it on a rooftop or whatever, and it lands, it goes inside there. Once it, correct me if I'm wrong, once it goes in there, it downloads all the information, downloads the videos,
charges itself up, and it just sits there in its little hanger. Um, from the nest, I can be sitting here in a council meeting. We can get a call right now for a kayaker stuck, you know, lost out in the Gulf. I can launch it from my computer. It just launches out of the nest and I can go out and fly it around as the crews are getting the boats ready
and we can monitor the area with the drone. So, there's a lot of things that all departments can use it for. Um, we tripped across the possibility of this grant a couple of weeks ago and we jumped on it and we we were able to acquire two drones only with no nest.
Gary, this is not your home residential type drone. This is a much larger Yeah, it's a it's a commercial drone. We'll team up with uh the county as well. Um they included with this whole thing um abilities for us to go with them, get the training that we need, the lensure that we need, um all the
background and all they want us to do. Is it is it once a month or once every couple of months? Once a month. Once a month and we would train with them as well. So it'll be an ongoing part of a task force. And how much how much they were 26,000 and change a piece and we got 25,000 for each one for the
grant. Yeah, because I remember we talked about before like 40,000,000. We were talking about $40,000. Is that what we have set aside for it? 40,000. Well, the grant would not. We had we had money appointed for it though. They took it out. So when you purchase them individually,
yeah, it probably was 40,000, but because we're going on with the county and they they buy these passes and every municipality in the county is going to be going on to this program. So we'll be able to get a reduced rate for That's fantastic. That's great. I was on the phone with my niece. I was on the phone with my niece last
night and she said in Massachusetts that the insurance companies are sending drones out to your house to do a circular flyby to say whether they want to insure you or not. Yeah. They are doing that checking the roofs. So down in Manatee
County, they're doing a pilot program where they actually uh it's it's an and not an instead of. So they get the 911 call, the ambulance rolls, and the the drone takes off out of the nest, flies over and brings Narcan, first aid kit, and something else. I But they'll
they'll they'll drop it at the driveway of the address they called. And so if there's somebody that made the call there, they can start something that might make the difference of minutes. Also, uh, in the public works arena, um, they can go down into into station wells
and that sort of thing and save people having to go down in wells for certain, you know, just periodic inspections and see if everything's fine. That way you've got people exposed to us danger like like we were talking about earlier, right? They can do their inspections like like on roofs. You can do the inspections.
So, in between done any of this before? No, it's all new to you. I've seen it. Yeah, I've seen it. Yeah, as soon as we pull together some stuff, we'll get a pres presentation for council and for the public. Thanks for the information, guys.
Uh, that was a good news story. U, I appreciate the FY26 budget approval in my absence last week. The, uh, status of the FY25 budget, uh, Adam and finances, uh, working hard to close that out properly. Um
uh there was some discussion about our audit. Um we're waiting on our auditor. We've been very proactively trying to get them to finish, but they're late. And so uh we've got a deadline with the state in November and uh we'll probably be bringing forward a proposal to get a
new auditing company to council. So, we'll uh probably put out a request for proposals soon, but just we're doing all we can to extract the audit results from our auditing company. It's in New York uh state, which uh I think next time we'll
restrict our search to I think there's plenty of auditing firms here in Florida that might simplify it easier to reach out and get them. They don't answer the phone. They'll email us back if we leave a voicemail or an email, but uh uh very frustrating. So, we'll uh you'll probably be seeing an RFP uh for a new
firm soon. So, but we'll try to get the question to you about audits. So, I saw a video yesterday and it was a Florida official uh touting they were going to they were going to audit each and every municipal town and city in the in Florida. Is that coming? Is that
happening? Are you aware of that? I haven't been notified that the the Doge efforts that I think through a Florida it's an official in Florida. I don't even know his name. I think I sent you a link. I sent you an email about it. That's right. Oh, okay. So, it should be in your inbox.
All right. Thanks. Uh, we have I have filled out a questionnaire once or twice from the Florida Doge office, but it was justformational. Uh, so we welcome it. Uh I think we uh Adam when he first got on board last year
found some errors uh that had been systemic and fixed them sent it to the auditors and they quite uh quite honestly they've admitted they've just pushed us to the back burner when they get in their busy season and that's not acceptable. So we're going to be looking
for a new firm but we we've got to get the results out of them first. Yeah. I that's an email. I don't know if you chance to read it yet or not, but um can we have Nancy review that contract with that auditor to see if there's ability for us to absolutely find a breach in it? That's not meeting
deadlines. We need to make sure that we're not have to pay for that or whatever we can do. They they actually send us a letter every year. I we don't have a contract with them. They send us a letter to uh and we agree to let them operate for us. So we we can leave them at any time and that's why we're going out for we're
going to put RFQ together about a bit for that. We're concerned about paying them for something that they're supposed to have submitted timely that they haven't submitted timely. So I don't know if Yeah, I I can uh I don't I'm not 100% that we have a contract, but I do have the uh uh letters they sent us that we agreed to let them do our services. I'll
send them over to Nancy. Thanks. Uh we've uh we knew we were trying to build a new fire station someday, but in the meantime, we got to keep this one uh working as good as possible. And right now, the roof is uh well, it's seen
better days to say the least. So, uh we are uh looking for grants right now, but uh I I'll keep you posted on that. We've got to get that uh roof fixed. Even if we're only in that fire station another four or five years, throw the new ones online, it's we've got to fix it. So,
uh, just FYI, uh, let's see. Um, uh, Mr. Moore's contract, uh, we will probably have that at the next council meeting. Uh, I I think you already voted, uh, for a a small increase in salary and, uh, we're working on a
piggyback off of, uh, Palmetto for his contract, and so plan on having that for approval, uh, at the first October meeting. Uh just a reminder uh my six-month contract is we're about nine or 10 weeks from that expiring. So if uh
doesn't have to be tonight, but uh if you guys wanted to keep that in mind and discuss options like some of the uh inquisitive public has already brought up. Uh let's see. uh we're uh inheriting if you will a lot from uh FTEM and I
asked Veronica to maybe explain this uh program that FDM has uh I'll hand it over to you on the property that we had in mind over on water side. Yeah. So the Florida Elevate program as
you know uh the city had 64 applications 64 residents applied for the Florida Elevate program. Out of that program, seven homes in the state in the city of Port Richie have been moved to the next phase. Out of those seven homes, um,
which is great for them because they can move on. Out of those homes, uh, the city of Port Richie has one property, a land acquisition project, um, that they've gotten involved with FDM. So,
with that program, it's it's a lot. It's a waterfront piece of property. I don't want to share that address, I think, at this moment in time until we know for sure, but they want us to start having internal discussions and conversations with the legislative to see if that's
something that the city wants to move forward with. Um, with that program, uh, the city acquires the land free of charge. There's not a cost to the city. There's nothing that the city has to pay for. Um, so Port Richie will not have to
pay any monetary funds to acquire this property, just maintain the future maintenance of the property. The transition costs such as the title, the deed transfer, as all of those costs will be paid by the property owner with the agreeing to participate into the
program. Um, right at this moment in time, I've been contacted by Florida Department of Emergency Management. Um, and I've spoken to city manager and the mayor briefly about it, but I wanted to discuss it with all of you and seeing if that's the direction that the city wants
to go in to acquire this. Uh, some of the things that I discussed with FDM was perhaps maybe housing our fireboat or our um, police boat there. Um, was were there were there going to be restrictions on the property that we
can't do anything with? Um I generally you keep these for open space. Um they have said that they're they're still working through this as we all know Florida elevate it's a fairly new program. So they're still working on some of the processes. Uh but some of
the things that we that they ask is that they keep it uh such as a park uh temporary probably camping which I don't think I think that's farfetched because it's in a flood zone and it's on the water. um but keeping it in its natural
state, right? Uh so she couldn't give me an answer as far as docks or if we can house the the police boat or you know our our public safety boats out there, but that is something that is according to her was not a bad idea to use. Um so
we're still waiting for that. But at this moment in time it's just discussion. It's just talk that the city of Port Richie has seven properties that have moved into the next phase of Florida Elevate, which is great. We have one property that has received a hazard
mitigation or an HMGP grant uh to elevate their home. So that's that program is working and moving forward. Um and so that's good news. How large is the property, the waterfront property? What's the
what's it assessed at? The lot size. How large is it? How big? I I don't know. I can have all that information for you. Um I can I can get all that for you. The downside would be that we lose that door. A lot of the mini parks or dog park perhaps the
right part of them moving forward into this program is that the city has to accept this. If the city doesn't accept this property, then they don't move forward in that elevate program of the land acquisition. So it it has to be dependent upon the city wanting that and
the city keeping it as open space and keeping it in its natural and the state pays uh the owner the owner eventually pays for everything through the state but they will give us contracts they will give us agreements and they will go through the process.
Thanks, Ron. So, there was Sorry, your question. Go ahead. We don't take the property, then it could be developed as a two-story home, like an elevated home. Um, I I would assume so. If they don't
proceed, if they don't move forward with the Florida elevate process, then I would assume that they would sell it or something would happen to it. So along same lines, so there was a property across the street over there that obviously was acquired um by Pasco.
So I get I'm assuming that the city the city owns that piece of property. Now we do, but it went to Pasco originally. Yes. So did do we have that same agreement where we had to approve that to happen and it went to the county or I I didn't know we had a I'm not quite sure how that was
acquired, how Pasco acquired that. I don't know if it was through HMGP grant funding and then they acquired it and then the city asked for it. I don't know exactly how that process went, but I do know that they tore it down and I would want to think if I had to assume that it
was probably the same type of process. So basically you're saying is for this for this particular part they're saying that we are the decision maker whether we allow that to happen or not. So if we if we don't allow that then the the homeowner would either have to elevate it through the other option and then or sell it or whatever then. Well, the
homeowner, to my understanding, does not want to elevate, right? The homeowner wants to be done with it and turn it over to the city. Um, FDM, I believe, in that part of the program, FDM, I believe, pays them 75% and they lose 25%. So, they're willing to take that
loss and do that. Um, but that that's I don't know all the intricates of that type of detail more so than the elevate itself, but that's what that homeowner chose to do. So, They could still go ahead. I'm sorry. Go ahead. They could still sell the property.
Yes. The city does not want to acquire. I would think that they can do whatever they choose to at this moment in time. They just want internal discussions. How does the city want to move forward? Does is the city even want to entertain that, you know, and if that's something that the city
wants to do, then they will proceed with the next steps and move forward. You know, the one challenge with this property is because it's a waterfront property and it's it's a viable property for somebody to to buy a bill. I don't know.
I want Are you sure that we have the ability to to intervene in that process? Uh they're asking us to intervene. That's why I wanted to bring this up because it's it's we decide whether and it's if we accept it, it has to stay green forever. We can't sell it later. Yeah. So, it's the program the idea
behind the program is is to make let let cities who want to do that take over so there's not another household there. It's trying to remove things from an area that's going to get damaged and make it a green space, make it a park, make it something that could survive storms to try to kind of help
change that landscape. Well, honestly, it's a it's in between two other waterfront properties that are that are occupied, right? What do you mean in between? the property. It's so it's it's interior lot. Yes. It's not like it's next to something that was already green space. You just
expand. You're actually putting another green space in between two waterfront properties which are the other properties elevated the two on either side. I'm not sure. I I think maybe one I believe one is on one side. Um so
have they have we been in contact with the owner? Uh we have not been in contact. They deal with FDM and so we deal with FDM. Yeah, FM plays the middle man. The homeowner. Yeah, one second. That's I just wonder what what they stand to get out of the FTM program to because basically the the
state or county is buying them out of the property, right? Well, they they collect 75% of that value, right? Right. So, but basically the government's buying in that property and it's turning to green space what they would sell for on the market if they were just outright put it up for sale and see if somebody would buy it that
would want to elevate it or what have you. Well, it's it's it's there's no structure there now. Just a pool, I think, right? Very significant damage. So, is demoed. Yes. So, it's already been demoed. So, it's just a lot pool law as it is now. I wonder if it's if what they could get on the open market for it is probably less than
less than what they would get. Yeah. So, I probably Yeah, that's interesting issue. So, not sure how to I I don't recall the deadline on when we need to advise them, but uh they didn't give me a deadline or anything like that. I thought they just
they wanted us to start talking about it and you know get them an answer that's where the the the owner would come in council and discuss just we that's the Florida Department of Emergency Manager will take the lead on everything there'll be a lot of paperwork as with any transaction
especially a governmental transaction um but it sounds if if you're interested will give you the this is what you have to do and if you want to do it it'll be yours but then of course as as Veronica has mentioned you'll be limited in what you can do with Here I can read you a part of what they said. So we are
working on finalizing the process but the state will facilitate the acquisition between the property owners and the local jurisdictions. The local jurisdiction will need to gain the necessary approvals through its legislative process. We will send out additional documents that the local
jurisdiction include a notice of intent which shows that the local jurisdiction is committed to participating in the program but can still reject certain properties for any reason. And that's of course if we had multiple properties, we only have one. Uh, additionally, we will share a
resolution document that the local jurisdictions can utilize as part of the committee hearings or committee forums to be used as part of the legislative process in your community. At this time, we ask that you begin internal discussions to determine if acquiring this property is an option for the city
of Port Richie. We understand you will have many more questions. You will need above mentioned documentation before you're able to finalize. We will get you that information as soon. So I guess the process would be we would have a resolution draft and we'd have it on an agenda to discuss and then folks
approve or deny it. Right. We would be provided with the address at that time. Yeah. Yes. And yeah, I assume we have I'm trying to be respectful, but I've tried to jump in three times already. Haven't been able to. Oh, go ahead. Sorry. Thanks. I appreciate that. Go ahead. I'm not trying to I'm not trying to take
over the meeting, but I've got some valid information. Go ahead. you you've told us that we're not going to release the address. If you're asking for us professionals up here, which I think everybody here is professional in their own area, for us to make a
decision without an address, I can't make a good decision. So, we're all just looking at popcorn in the sky right now instead of looking at facts. And the facts would be to me are this. It's real simple. If this is a property that is not in a high valued area and and we're going to go in and we're going to take
it and we're going to stop future development because we got this property we can't build on. That's going to be like a no-brainer. No. Okay. But depending on the situation, the address, it may be something that we want to do on. So, we're going to have to at some point at least we're going to have to have the information of what the address is so we can look at the big picture and
make a decision based on that. right now. I'm just trying to protect them. But I mean I it's it's in an email so it's public records. I don't mind. I just don't want people bombarding them and when we haven't city staff hasn't No, I'm not Veronica. This is this is
not about you. This is about us and how we have to sure about this. How can we communicate about this without blowing it out there and let everybody know what the address is? Well, I think what she wants to do is just say, "Yeah, we can discuss it. Bring the information next meeting so we can discuss it. I'll put it on the agenda though. I'm not crazy about having another piece
of property that's useless and does have the guys mow it. I'm kind of We can't even make that decision until you know it's I know exactly. Well, I mean I think what what you guys know it's a waterfront property that's in between two waterfront homes. Let's see where it is and discuss it. Oh, perfect. Yeah.
So, and when we bring it back if we could have some some some numbers. Sure. What what they're getting out of FDM because that's another part of it like you hate to stand in the way of what some owner wants to do again. FDM is the middleman. Uh unless the owners came and spoke at the podium,
I don't think we'd ever meet them and interact with them at all. I don't we don't speak to them. I don't even know if we'd be told. We I don't think we need we need to know. You just want to know more about the property itself. I think we know the financial behind it, too. That's fine. And it's that I can do. I don't mind.
And like I said, it's in an email. I have it. It's in my email. You could do a public records. I don't mind sharing it. It's on Wateride. Wateride Drive. It's an interior lot. Uh the address is 5027 Wateride Drive. Okay.
Home address is what? Miller's buddy. There's no one living there. It's I don't think it's any harm. That's public records. That's what I received. Okay, great. In Wateride Drive, what? 5027. 5027 Wateride Drive.
So again, I think I think forever we're not allowed to turn it into So if we accepted it, it would it would never be able to be and with the estimate of 8819. So something like
there, it's a lot of tax. Well, that would make a difference. I'm saying for us mow around the center. I'm almost uh I'm almost done causing trouble. You can't take minutes. You guys can't do it that way.
Sorry. I'm almost done causing trouble. Um I just want to remind uh ethics training. Uh I'm still new new here and I'm not sure if we needed to bring up some ethics. That was that was Andy mentioned that um when we talked this morning. I
don't remember when you had it last. Um so I suggest to him that perhaps you find out and Ashley would probably know. It's probably been about a year. Thank I think it's at least been that and you have some new folks. I wasn't it. Well, didn't we have it right after we had the reups from the boards?
So sometime in October, I guess. No, it it wasn't. I want to say it was after we because October 1st is when all those guys please Sorry, I think it was after October 1st. I think it's a good idea to hold them after October when we reup all the
boards of committees because we might have fresh new people, people who haven't sat. It's a good idea to do it probably sometime in October. Yeah. So, if we can and so I also mentioned to Andy last time we did it, which I couldn't remember when it was, but I knew last time we did it um you know, obviously Attorney Mo was kind
enough to come up here and do it for you, but he didn't do the full four hours that you guys need. There was a talk about getting that from him. And then there was all the talk about, well, we can get that another another get that in other ways. So maybe you just rather have a little primer because most of you have heard all of it already and that'll
change. So well, yeah. So the the nice thing about going and having the full one is that council could get theirs taken care of because I attended that one, but that didn't count for me. So I had to go to another extra four hours. But that was Oh, it was actually before October. September 12th.
Yeah, we should move it to October for sure. So yeah, I'd rather it just be four. Yeah, I I agree with that. The the bad part about that, too, is that um it's not required to have the full one for the board committee members, so you're tying them up for four hours. But I think the information is good.
It's very it's very worth it, as you know, it applies to them, too. And it's important stuff. And as we did last time, I'm you know, can be recorded. People that can't make it that day can watch it as the resolution requires them to um to make sure they're up to speed on anything that that need refresher. any objections to do in the full four hours?
No. So, I will get with Andy and Ashley and figure something out. Yes. Is Randy going to I will ask him. Okay. His schedule's busier than it was last time, but I will ask him if he can. Yeah. I do have a question though because we did have discussion about clarifying the
resolution regarding that and you guys discussed not requiring them to have four hours. So, if if we're going to require to have modifications to that resolution, if you could modify that, we'll fix that. Yep. Let me talk to all the Yeah. And if you would just kind of beg Randy.
I I will. I I tell him how Well, tell him how good he is. He knows. He can make four hours seem a lot less than four hours. I will I will do my best job at convincing him. And that that's all for me now. Okay. Thanks, sir. And I won't take it personal. Okay. Well, you can do it, too.
No, I'm not nearly as funny as Randy know him know that. All right. Okay. Comments from boards committees. Um any comments from boards committees? I have from the event committee we met. Um and what uh not much to share. Obviously we have the car show that's
coming up on the October 18th going to be a trunk or treat in the water in the Walmart parking lot. So obviously looking forward to that. Um at that the plan is so and just kind of segue into something else that you probably wondered about that. So, the the
Centennial B uh Centennial Rome that we've done, that's been bottled, it's been labeled, it's already um I am working on the the hang tags that will have the the one of 100, two of 100 and whatnot on it. Um and so once that's done, the plan is that they would have a
um tent there at the car show to sell those. And along that we we need to make sure that we have our u um nonprofit stuff and I had talked about that. So we need to obviously select a nonprofit that they would cut the the
proceeds to. Um and obviously the goal would be to do something along the lines of um substance abuse or alcohol abuse or something like that that we support with those proceeds. But that's that's coming. Um so that's and we're going to obviously try to do two a year, one the spring, one in the fall. Um what we
talked about was having actual city uh events and city hosted events where we'd have you know somebody would come and they want to have some kind of festival or whatever and we'd be a part of that from a hosting but we wouldn't actually um put forth any any work towards it.
There would be a fee schedule that we're working on putting together. Um I think have any update on that? We had a couple come to the meeting as far as different cities, what they have, and we kind of went with uh the thought process. We'll use Newport Richie kind of as a as a starting point and pick and choose.
There's been some good stuff in there and kind of build one of our own. Well, we're preparing that by borrowing from other cities who have good uh good forums and fee schedules, that sort of thing. We'll at the next events committee, but we'll be presenting that.
I want to say it's on the 14th, but I I think that's PNZ. I don't have the date off top of my head. They have a fee schedule in so if somebody somebody puts on an event they need police or fire protection, there would be a cost. So should that barriers or whatever um we we provide that
service for a certain cost. Um but what we did decide is we were going to try to have our own city events that we would be kind of the promoters of. you know, we would potentially hire somebody to to do the work or whatever to promote it um and kind of do a lot of logistics, but
they would actually be city events. And we we set it on one a quarter kind of arrangement so we wouldn't get too um inundated with with events. And what we what we decided on was we'd have a seafood festival, fishing tournament
time frame kind of together. So, obviously we had a fishing tournament for the uh centennial that was that was really wellreceived and so we'd like to kind of do that. We're obviously a fishing and boating community so we want to kind of keep that there. Um we have scallop festival that's already kind of done up in in Hernando
and it uh and of course Jack's got his thing there at the um what's the name of that? Uh Sunwest Park or whatever. So, but there used and then this idea actually came from the 106 representative that's uh that sits with us.
Yeah, Steve Friedell. Um I guess there used to be a seafood festival, but there's there's not one anymore. So, he thought that might be a good one to have here in the city and we couple that with the fishing tournament. So, we kind of settled on that. Um and then we'd have the formal ball. We'd also have the Fourth of July event that we always put
on and then we'd have some kind of Christmas event. There used to be a Christmas event a long time ago. Um, so we're going to bring that back and kind of build on it, but it's turns into a Christmas market slash whatever some some Christmas show. So, we're working on that. So, that's kind of the the four
things that we kind of spread out across. Any thoughts on that? Sound like a good list or You had talked about a fall festival possibly too at one time. Yeah, and that would So, we got the car show. Um, again, we don't
we don't want to get until we can get these off the ground, we can always add to them, right? But and so that's definitely something that we may look into as well. And not that we wouldn't have one, it's just the city wouldn't be putting it on. Somebody else could put it on for us. So, it's it's a it's a
fine line between what we actually do as city because we like it's have staffing to to deal with so much. Um, so we're going to try to focus on these four and then like I said, as as that kind of smooths out, we can actually look at maybe promoting our own fall festival or trying to get somebody to bring one in or what have you. I get it. You want to walk into the pool
instead of jump into it. That's fine. Gotcha. So, start set yourself up for success first and then hopefully we can build upon that. Um, so that's kind of what we thought. Um, so let me bring that back to you. And that's all I had from the event committee and you probably have it in your county should have, but
obviously from the centennial you see the awards over there. We're having the open house this Friday from 2 to 4 2 to 4. So if you could make sure you're able to be here, not required, but uh we're going to have we got back uh any interest in attending.
I would say we're I would say we're leaning more than half. Oh, good. Okay. So, we're going to have a lot of the sponsors here um to hand them their their plaque and appreciate them. So, more the merrier. So, try to attend that. That's all I got. Any other boards
committees? Okay, moving right along to the cons consent agenda. Look for a motion for the 923 2025 consent agenda. So, move. Okay. Second. Okay. The motion to approve, I'm assuming, right? Yeah.
Second. Okay. Any further discussion? Any public comment? Seeing none to put to a vote. All in favor signify by saying I. I. Opposed. Motion carries. Next up is council business. Item number 37717 Pier Road Demolition Appeal. I'll pass that to Mr. Butterfield for reduction.
Uh yes, sir. Council uh first took this up early July and this is a continuation of the appeal process for the subject address. All right. Thank you. Um, I will, as Mr. Butterfield mentioned, this was
initially heard. Um, it's an appeal from an order of demolition um, filed by Dr. Danelli. It was first heard on July 8th, 2025. Um, I have spoken to Councilwoman Sullivan. She did have an opportunity to review that because she was not on council at that point. Um, so she is up to speed on what happened at that. Um, which makes it a lot easier for her
tonight. So, I appreciate her doing that. Um, so as you probably remember, um, at that initial hearing on July 8th, 2025, you did hear testimony and you took in evidence, which I would ask that you there are in your agenda. Again, the the evidence is, the testimony of course you
have for memory, um, to take those into consideration tonight instead of having Tony go through all those um, questions and answers. Again, just keep that in mind as you as you move forward and make your termination. I know Dr. Janelli's here and I'm sure he'll have um, some comments to make it when we get to that point. He does have the opportunity to
do so. Um but for tonight I think um what I'm going to do first is just read the quasi judicial proceedings so everyone understands what we're doing. Um and then uh we can move on to the next part. So um this proceeding is a quasi judicial proceeding where the city council acts in a quasi judicial rather than legislative capacity at a quasi
judicial hearing and is not the council's function to make law but rather to apply law that has already been established. A quasi judicial hearing. The council is required by law to make finding a fact based upon the evidence presented at the hearing and apply those finding a fact to previously established criteria contained in the city's code of ordinances in order to
make a legal decision regarding the application before it. Council may only consider evidence of the hearing that the law considers competent substantial relevant to the issues. The competent substantial and relevant evidence of the hearing demonstrates that the applicant has met the criteria established by the city's code of ordinances and council is
required by law to find in favor of the applicant. By the same token, if the competent substantial and relevant evidence of the hearing demonstrates the applicants failed to meet the criteria established by the code of ordinances, then council is required by law to find against the applicant. Um, I'll ask if any member of the council has had any exparte communications regarding this
application with Dr. Janelli since the last July 8th, 2025 hearing. Yes, I have. He he I talked to him before the council meeting. Okay. Any questions to it? He basically stated what he was going to state to council tonight. I told him encouraged him to do so. Perfect. I I was contacted uh by Mr.
Dley and I turn it back to you guys. All right. Anyone else? Okay. Do you have any members of council have a conflict of interest with this application tonight? No. All right. Seeing none, anyone who plans to provide testimony during tonight's hearing, please stand to be sworn by the city clerk. That would include our
building official. Raise your right hand. Do you swear and affirm that the testimony about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Okay. So, we're gonna have an order of uh uh operation here. So, item number one, we're going to opportunity for
staff to present. So, I'll turn it over to staff for their presentation. Start from the beginning. You're going to start from whatever happened since July 8th, 2025. um and and council's agenda packet, you do have um a timeline that was put
together by the building department um of all the emails, phone calls, and conversations I think that have happened since then. Um so you can refer those if you need to or add anything additional that you want to add. July 8th, we came in for the meeting
front of the council. We had gone through the requirements. I had gone through with Mr. Janelli as far as what was going to be required. He was explained that he was going to have to have new plans because the plans that he had were from an existing permit that was three years old. That night
when we were in front of council, he had stated that it was going to be two weeks before he could have plans from an engineer, which is fine. August 7th, they submitted electronically for a permit. Application
was not complete. The paperwork that was submitted was from the old permit that was three years old. Um, I did another review on everything that was submitted and sent them deficiencies on Octo or on August 28th
and I was giving them until September 11th to respond. Nothing was responded other than a question of if the plans that they had submitted would work, which they would not. Then we had today or yesterday set of
plans came in that are signed and sealed by an engineer that are you say that are signed and sealed but there's still not a complete application. There's no SISD forms that are required for flood requirements. So we're at the point now where we're
two and a half months in off of the 30 days that you gave him. when I only had requested that we give them 14. So that's where we're at right now. Okay. Does that conclude your presentation? Okay.
So next up, uh the applicant can question staff. So if I can like to come up and question staff. Just a quick comment on that property that you are thinking about taking just from a tax standpoint. If you build a house on that, what's the tax value from
losing that uh it's a waterfront lot with a two-story house. It's got to be worth a million, two million. I think it's a no-brainer to let somebody develop it. So, um um yes, we we uh sent the application in Friday. My
engineer was out for three and a half weeks, three weeks and four days on some personal issues out of out of out of out of the state of Florida. So, I just want So, you're going to have an opportunity to present. This is actually your time to actually question staff and then a couple a couple steps
down you'll be able to present. So, I don't want you to present now, which is so focus on questioning staff. Yes. So Tony, u my contractor said he um attempted to contact you on four different occasions via phone. Uh and you I've read your response that you did
not receive any of those communications. He he tried to call you four times. called me one time August 14th message the number was because it's South Florida number and that was the only
time that he had ever tried to contact me when I started going through and found the phone number for him. So for him to tell you four times that's between you and him. Right. So, I had talked to you as well and you uh you and you abruptly cut me
off and almost of appearance that you hung up on me. I did send you an email uh requesting some clarification on some of the packet that you sent us. Uh you you uh gave us two weeks of which
to complete the applica the the critiques that you uh sent. uh you did ask us to get a survey. We interpreted that to be a formal certified survey and now just today you told me it could have
been handdrawn. So we were questioning why we need a survey in the first place because we're we're not doing anything to the to the house to the property. 107.2.5 2.5 of the building code in the administrative chapter requires for new
or existing construction the requirements for a site plan that shows setbacks any other existing prop any other existing buildings that are on the property something that I just pulled out it's the Florida building code I I understand that we interpreted that
completely different the the type of work that we're doing on the on the house the the scope of work has not changed except we're adding uh drywall that that was damaged to the and you're removing a shed that's in the back. You're removing a fence, which is
what's directly on your plant. So, if that's the case, where's a site plan showing me all of this that has to be removed? Now, we got to have a site plan. Okay. So, we we can we can submit a site plan.
Okay. But my question is, why is it that you're complaining now for me sending you that you had two weeks to do this, but yet we're a month and a half to that point? Well, because the our the professionals that I hired had some issues. We have
since uh hired um um Kevin Powell who is the building inspector for the city of Newport Richie and he is coming on as a consultant to help us out in all these areas. In fact, the city of Port Richie was very interested in hiring him at one
point in time. Uh he is he is going to do any inspection under 553791 to submit all of the proper paperwork while it's in application state for state law and that's what we're doing. He insuranceances license driver's license
and everything. He will he will absolutely do that. He was actually supposed to be here tonight but uh he had some issues back in Jacksonville. He had to return. He was in Newport Richie today. So, we've hired him as a consultant to come in and help us through this process so we can get through all the things that you are
requiring us to do. We still haven't submitted a complete application yet from August. Tony, you can ask questions after he presents. This was his chance to ask questions of staff. So, if he's done asking questions, we can move on to the next.
I I I get that. I But if you say that's the that's the case, it's the case. So, we brought him in to help us do a complete application. I don't think it's going to take a whole lot of time to do that. Uh, I I can't tell you it's going to be a day, two, or three. It should be
done fairly quickly. We do have an application. The plans have been signed, sealed by an engineer. We're we're back. Yeah. Go ahead. Yeah. We're past questions. We're we're past the issues that you had with the um
with the um the structure and that that should be all solved according to the questions that you had in the uh in the comments that you made for us. I've had nothing addressed yet. Well, you did make some comments about about the lentil.
You're having a conversation. That's not what this is about. This is your chance. Sorry. This is your chance to make ask questions of the testimony he provided. Right. done. We'll move on and you will get a chance to present whatever information you want. But right now, the two of you are just having a conversation. That's not what this is for. This is a hearing about the
demolition order. So, we need to we need to move forward. So, if you're done asking questions about his testimony, you will in a couple minutes have a chance, probably a couple quick minutes, have a chance to present any information you want the council to hear directly. Good. Okay. Hey, do you have any questions to ask
for? Is this okay? Hey, good evening everyone. Tate Lungquist. Say one second. I filed the application with the contractor. Is that accurate that he Tate Lungquist
has filed something to be I gave it to Caitlyn at city hall right here. I was here. The fing officials indicating that they did not get anything. I still have yet to get an application. There's nothing completed anywhere. He
he can comment later as a as a Well, I had a question for him. No, you're not a party. Okay. Be a witness. You can be a witness and have comment later, but just a drunk. Okay. If the council lets comment sometimes. Okay. So, and I apologize. I wasn't sure that dialogue if there's questions being
answered because I assume he can answer the questions and get asked, but it it was somewhat of a conversation. Yeah. So, as as we go on, make sure that you you focus on your questions if you could. Um, next up is council can question staff. So, is there any any questions from council for staff?
Is there any way we can make this work? [Music] If they submit the correct paperwork 55379 states that a completed application has to be submitted. If it's not submitted, then it's not an approved
application. So, then it's rejected. Right. And they've been told several times what has to be submitted. So this permit was from um 919. When I looked at it this morning, it was okay.
But looking at it now, it's been rejected. So that got done. That got rejected today. Correct. Because it's not completed. But it was issued 919. Nothing's been issued. five. It's been a slide. Okay. On the 19th. Yeah. Yeah. Because
when I looked at it this morning, it was it was there, but now it's red. So, I have a question. Obviously, when council met before, we allowed 30 days to have things get rolling. It it sounds and looks like things have rolled uh not
as as fast as um obviously they we would like but there is a there is a back and forth uh with staff. We have applications. So I guess I'm unclear. Do we have an application? So what what's this on that we have on the Okay. First you can't go outside the
record. So you need to stop looking online. You have to look at only what's been provided to you. So Tony's provided information. And I'll let you repeat it because I don't remember it all that some things have been submitted and some things was submitted in the the one that Commissioner Burke is talking about was
a set of plans. That's it. There's no application. There's no SISD form which is required for flood damage repairs and that's the extent of it. There's no subcontractors listed. Yes, that's all that says plans.
So when I'm reading the evidence here, this was submitted by staff. The permit was created online and given the permit number 2533. Wouldn't that mean that there was an application filed for permit? It was done electronically again electronically or paper. Isn't that an application for
but there is no application in it? It should have never been. It should have been rejected then. Why wasn't it? That I can't tell you. Okay. Okay. So, and it says after that it says, "Please remember that after an application has been uploaded," which again I would think would would
have been part of the process to for the permit to be created online. The permit must still be reviewed by staff before being accepted. Just because a permit application is applied for online does not mean that the permit has been accepted nor issued. So, it it appears to me that an application was uploaded
online and given a permit number 2533. I'm sorry. Go ahead. No, sorry. Um and and so that um would be reviewed by staff and then I guess you guys reviewed it and it was it was uh not complete or what have you. Incomplete.
Incomplete. Right. But so again, moving along not as fast as we would like, but there's there's things being done. And so I would assume that when somebody comes in, submits an application, it's found to be incomplete, that the next
step would be we're missing A, B, and C. We need AB and C. And there would be some time frame that we need ABC or we close. Is that we responded with 14 deficiencies? You don't get don't get to testify. That's that's um sorry.
So, so I guess if you could if you could give me a little more detail into the the process because it looks like it looks like there was something submitted on time and was reviewed by staff. It's not complete and then there was some there was actually some time issued to to allow for that 11 days or something.
If you could expound on that a little bit as far as it not being complete. Right. That's that's the exact statement that is in Florida law. Right. states that an application, additional documents, and all requirements to build something has to be submitted.
Okay. If it's marked as incomplete, then that means there was stuff missing that was that was required and so to be submitted, right? And so the the general process when something's incomplete, I would assume, and correct me if I'm wrong, that the city would reach out and say, "We're missing A, B, and C. We need A,
B, and C." Which was done. Okay. And then we never and then also I had 14 or 15 comments besides the fact that the plans were from 23 that were told upfront that had to be submitted under the new Florida
building code because we had a new code cycle. So they were told up front before any of this ever even got started. So we had deficiencies in the application. We had the plans that were deficient. And the reason that all of that was put in there was to meet and beat the 30-day
deadline because those were all submitted on August 7, right at night online. And so the final question that I have is that obviously there's a timeline here. We've heard testimony that there was you said that there was a sealed engineer um
something that came in or whatever. So it appears to me that things are continuing to move even even past the point where this was coming to council for review. So my my question being is is again I know timing is is not optimal
and it's not happening as fast as everyone would like it to but it appears to me that things are moving. Would you agree or disagree? I disagree. It's still there's nothing completed anywhere. permit number for the same address and
something has been submitted in each one but they're not completely that wasn't my question. My question was is is obviously things are continuing to come in in your opinion. Yes. And mine no I don't have to answer you and I'm and
I'm saying no. Thank you. Any questions? We you have hired somebody to help you with the process, right? This question for Yeah, we have to follow certain process. So we'll get ask Dr. J for questions. Any any more questions for staff? Um
staff another member of staff I think does want to add something but she has not been sworn in um and they have closed their presentation so it's up to you guys. Okay. So if you want to get sworn in though right right hand if you can swear the testimony you're about to hear
the truth the truth. Yes to the microphone. And this is going back to staff presentation I guess. Okay. So, mayor, you had asked a question that the building official had responded and said it should have never been accepted. Let me let me clear. So,
when you put an application in digitally, there's no approval or denial at that time. Anyone can go on the portal and submit a permit online. It's not until it's reviewed. So, I keep hearing the building officials say a
couple times now that it should have never been accepted. It's not a point of being accepted. We don't deny anything when someone uploads it. Once it's uploaded into the portal, staff has to review that paperwork. At that time, when it was submitted,
building officials saw it two or three days later when he came back. He's only here Tuesdays and Thursdays. He saw it after the fact. Okay. So, it was sitting in the portal as a permit applied for. So yes, paperwork has been submitted and
building official is correct. There are three open permits for this application. Okay, it has been expressed exactly every time the permit has been processed or has been evaluated for the proper paperwork
and Mr. Janelli has been afforded the opportunity to know what's the deficiencies, what's wrong, what's missing to get his permit into compliance. Okay. So, I just wanted to clear that it's not that the building department accepted a permit that they shouldn't
have. Building anything that's submitted digitally through our portal is accepted until we review it. That's why you saw a permit this morning and then in the afternoon after it was reviewed, it was rejected because there's things missing from it. Yeah. If a permit is not
complete, it shouldn't be going to the building official to review. Yes. and and at this point we've got three permits with paperwork from everywhere and we're trying to peacemail things and we shouldn't have to be peacemealing that. That's I just want to clarify
that. Yeah. No, the the only the only thing that I my question was is based on the evidence is that there there was an application and when you go into the portal and you submit something online, does it mean it's complete? It clearly states that. Correct. But it is an application to start the process is what is and that is what obviously council
had originally um gave time for was to get those things applied for. Now obviously there's a for a permit. Right. Exactly. And so it appears that was done and there's been some back and forth on things missing not complete and all that. That's just that's standard procedure when somebody applies for a permit. You're going to have some going
back and forth. It I'll say never was my intent that it had 30 days to be completed and done out the door and signed sealed delivered and house built and whatever. It was that we need 30 days that something would be moving forward and it it appears that was
questioning. So Lisa and is it true that that when things are submitted then if things are missing generally that contractor whoever's name is on this gets an email that says we still need and that has been done
that was done every time and and you and you probably have in your packets a timeline that I created from dates from emails when Mr. Janelli responded uh when Mr. Lungquist responded, if he was involved, if the contractor responded, you have a
timeline of date by date of everything from July 8th all the way to present of what has occurred and what has happened and the deficiency letters that the building official has sent. So anytime an application is incomplete, we have to send that to them to let them know what
they're missing. Right. Just to reiterate my question going back to that I see timing is not optimal but as you guys have sent out the deficiencies things are trickling in based on the evidence I I there's things that are trickling in from that is what I'm hearing. Is that not true?
We're two months into it. Forget we don't have a full application so we're we're not able to proceed. My my question is not a matter of timing. My question is are things trickling in? Is a process moving? We I understand the staff does not like the timing of it, but as you guys are as you
guys are submitting um deficiencies to different people, are they responding back at some point with information? Yes or no? Yes and no. Okay. Not everything, but some things are coming. They haven't submitted anything. That's
not true. They have submitted. That was my question. Yeah. Any other questions? Thank you. I would recommend since um staff kind of got another chance to speak and someone else spoke that Dr. Janelli should have an opportunity to ask more questions if he has any questions on.
Do you have any questions for Veronica? Any additional questions? Have more questions for him. That's they have that Veronica that's what the I mean I think you can probably direct your questions to Veronica if you have the opportunity.
Can it she may need to get help from other staff member to answer. Veronica, do you know do you need a permit to remove a shed? Remove the shed. Yes, you need a permit to remove a shed in city of Port Richie.
Okay. I actually have a solution. Not yet. There's questions. Okay. You'll get a chance for that. Thank you. In a little bit. Have a great solution. I would like those. Okay. Okay, moving on. Uh, now don't don't sit
down. Now, now you can present just so you sat down. That was a quick Yeah, we we want we want to make sure we had a good separation there. So, um, Tony, when if you will give me two or three times that you This is not this is not a question. Just present to us. Just present
presentation. I I think that a solution would to this would be that I will make my contractor, my engineer, my advisor uh that's come on board available to make an appointment with Tony either Zoom or a call and let them talk and let
him tell them exactly what they need and they can they can communicate directly with each other. I'm not a contractor. I'm not an engineer. I'm not a builder. And I think that within a day or two we can have better direction and complete
the application to his satisfaction. Okay. Is that good to your presentation? Uh I reserve the right to come back. So so but but in answer to Mrs. uh uh Sullivan
Sullivan's Yes. I I have hired a very very competent person to help us through this as as an adviser. That person's name again. Um Kevin Powell. Okay. He's a certified building instructor. He he was, as I said before, the city of
Port Richie was very interested in hiring him, but you wanted a full-time person and he didn't want to be a full-time. So, if I can hold you a question. So, staff gets the question and council question. So I'm going to turn over to So your presentation complete.
Yes. Okay. Hang hang tight. So now the next step in the process is staff has the opportunity to question the applicant. So staff like to question applicant. Is this does he have technically staff right? Yeah. But he's have a question. He has a statement.
I just I I don't want to waste staff's time if I I believe that we've already given Dr. Dr. Janelli and his team listen to everything they need to provide for the application to be complete and move forward. So I don't know why there's any question. Dr.
Janelli when we spoke on the phone you described it as a laundry list of things to do. That's the list. I don't think it's changed and to my knowledge nothing has come in. So I don't want to waste staff's time. We're wasting enough time at these hearings. Uh and I just I'd
like to not waste the staff's time. They're here tonight. You've got all the information already in writing. I I don't want to have another meeting with the building official to go over what you already have in hand. Okay. Respect. But can I answer that?
Not really. We're busy. We're under man and this is a waste meeting with Tony. When you already have the list, I find it a waste of my staff's time. I appreciate the the uh comments, but not place. So next up is uh council has
opportunity to question the applicant. So council had any questions for applicant. Did you get your question answered? Yes. Um do you have a contract that you could produce that you've hired the the person who you said?
Yes, but in order for him to be legal here, he has to apply. Well, you said you hired him. Yeah. Yes. I have an I have contract written contract. We we're in the process of writing it up, but we have a verbal. He was going to be here tonight to to represent me
and talk about hired him yet. It's it's that's I I I've actually hired him. He has given advice. You haven't signed the document. I haven't signed the document yet, but he did he said he has to qualify according to city of Port Richie's uh requirements. Okay. Which he will do.
Any council questions? Okay. Um, I'm open up to public comment. Is there any public comment? You can have a seat for now. Dam state your name and address for the record.
Trying to figure out where you live. We got to remember. I know where I live. I live in your mind, brother. Yes. Mueller, 5439 Blueoint Drive now. 3327
Grove Place, Land of Lakes, Florida. I sat on this council when this man came forward. And I believe the right thing to do is not tear the guy's house down, but work with him. And that's what we should
be doing as a city. We represent all of the taxpayers in this city. And granted, he's in a situation. He doesn't know what he's doing in some cases. He's trying to do that. He's trying to make
progress. And I believe that we need to help people get their problems solved rather than kick them while they're down. And that's what I believe this building inspector is doing here. And I believe that he needs to be removed from his seat and moved on. Yeah,
we need somebody that will we need somebody that will listen. You guys have the ability to make decisions up there. You need to make the right decision in the in the favor of moving this guy's house forward, helping
him through the situation that he's in and trying to solve the problem rather than create problems. Thank you. Thank you, Dave. building and Tate if you this opportunity you can speak to public comment.
Hey good evening again Tate Lungquist 7730 James Clark my my perspective is internal with Dr. Janelli and with the city here I'm perplexed as how Dr. Janelli had a
permit from this city to do a remodel of this home from one building official and then a year later the permits expired and all the rules have changed. And this gentleman keeps telling us that the building codes have changed over the
last year. But he won't tell us what codes have changed. What has changed? What code? The bar the the goalpost keeps moving for Dr. Janelli and And that's not a far-fetched
euthanism. It's it he gets this stuff in. I turned in the the permit application myself. Caitlin uploaded in the portal in city hall here. The contractor sent it in also because we were trying to get it done for you all timely. And that's why you have three
different permits for one property because I Dr. J said take get it there. I hand brought it here. The contractor not wanting to miss the mark, emailed it or put it in the portal. That's why there's all this confusion. If things
could just slow down, let Dr. Janelli get all the information and he's a he's a doctor. My my my god. Let the guy get the information put together and he'll get the file put together and get it sent to the man. It's just it's absurd what's transpiring here. It just it
infuriates me. The man wants to remodel the house, clean it up for the city, and pay his taxes. I don't know why this gentleman wants to tear the house down so bad. The house isn't in bad condition. The shed was demolished in the hurricane. So, I don't know what shed he's trying to remove
and the fence is already gone from the storms. So, a site plan for what? For what? Anyways, I'm not going to get I just I it this is this is just I I have no more words. It's just disturbing.
Thank you. Any other public comment? Okay, see I close public comment. Um like to ask back up to make a closing statement. A closing statement again. No questions. Just a closing
statement. Yes. I'd like to say one other thing. The houses to the houses on Pi Road all took water. The houses to the left and the right of me both took water. Uh both of those houses have been occupied. I don't believe any of them have ever come
and and had a building permit or any construction done. The house to the right of me, the garage is leaning probably 15 20 degrees. It looks like it's going to fall down. It's been that way forever and I still see it there. We're we're a year out from the hurricane. I did. We started this
process when Mike Alexander was here. That was a problem. We had a permit. The scope of work hasn't changed. We're This isn't a perfect world. I'm spending money. I'm trying to get this done. I really am. It's It's taking time. Time
is money to me as well. I'm losing rent. Cost me money. Taxes are will be better when the house is remodeled. So, the city's losing money, too. And I've hired the I've hired a new person to come in to help us solidify everything and get
it done in a timely manner. And that's what I'm trying to do. Nothing more, nothing less. Okay. Thanks, sir. Um, next up is staff to make a closing statement. I'm happy to to do it if if you want to, but
I'd like to respond. We're not responding. were making a statement to council about the evidence they've heard from the from the last time we were here and tonight. Okay. You can probably draft your response into that. Yeah. But just but we don't want to have any
the original plans were drawn and the permit was in 23 2023. The plans were done to the Florida Building Code 7th edition 2020 version. That's also the ASCE716
version. We're in the 2023 Florida Building Code 8th edition with the ASCE7-22. There's the code cycle that has to be met. He is stating that
he's lo the permit was in 23 2 and a half years ago almost three years ago. Nothing was ever done. There was never inspections called. So now all of a sudden Mike Alexander is the bad apple.
But yet now I'm going through the same thing and I've got former commissioners over here that don't understand that under Florida law 553775. Me and the Florida Building Commission are the only two people
that can interpret the Florida Building Code and the Florida Accessibility Code, not them. I've been trying to work with them. They don't want to work. All of a sudden, now I'm picking on them. So, you make your
determination on how you want. You do what you want. I've said what I had to say. Thank Tony. And the last up is council consideration of the application upon a motion in a second. So I'll bring back to the uh
the day for council and if I may before before this will help help you form um your your motions and your your conversation. Just a reminder um this is governed by your code in section 14-132 appeal to city council. Um and as you know you have a demolition order issued by the building
official. This is Dr. Janelli's appeal and um the um options are that you can affirm the order which would mean the demolition would move forward. You could um
find um that the structure um let me start that over. You could you could affirm that the the structure does meet the criteria for demolition as um set out in section 14127 of your code which is um the letter that you have in your agenda packet on page 36
35. The letter that um dated April 11th, 2025 that the building officials sent to um Dr. Janelli that that lists the the um the issue with the structure. So that
that gives the criteria there. So if you find that this structure meets that criteria based on the evidence um you can affirm the order. If you um and give the demolition within a certain time frame. If you find based on the evidence and testimony that the structure does not meet um the
definition of of the the need for demolition as appedin by the building official, you can deny the demolition order. or as we did you did last time. Um you can move to give him give the um um applicant more time. You can stay the demolition order and give him more time
to work on uh reconstruction, repair and restoration. I will remind you that for that provision, the petitioner is supposed to provide you um with his written appeal documentation regarding the proposed construction, repair, restoration, list of proposed work on the structure, estimated cost, timetable
for obtaining permits and timetable for completion of work. Um, so if you want to give them a stay, you have to look at the evidence to see if that information was provided. So those are your three options per your fit code. Could you re restate that? The last part um your third option is
the structure can be you can find that the structure can be reconstructed, repaired. Let me start that over. You can find based on the evidence that you've heard and seen that the structure can be reconstructed, repaired, or restored. If the petitioner is appealing based on this subsection which is subsection three, the petitioner must
submit with a written petition for appeal the following documentation regarding the proposed reconstruction, repair or restoration, list of proposed work on the structure, estimated cost, timetable for obtaining permits and timetable for completion of the work. And then then it says at your sole discretion you can say the order to give
him time to do those things. Okay. To do the reconstruction, repair restoration. So just give you frame frame where your minds need to be when you start discussing Lisa. So when you read that again let me read it over. Okay. Um let me
start on that again again. Well, three choices. If you could summarize the three, but but the the list of time frame, costs, and completion that is already to be in at this time.
Yes, it was supposed to be provided with the appeal last time. I think the light on the testimony. So we're saying whether that is all submitted at this moment or are we saying it has to be submitted
after a a stay order might be approved. So the way this is written, if you want if you feel that the structure can be reconstructed, repaired or restored based on the evidence you've heard, then the petitioner needs to provide with his written appeal um the following documentation which is
the list of proposed work on the structure, estimated cost, the timetable for obtaining permits, timetable for completion of work. So my question is with his appeal this so you're saying we must already have those items right now
and I I it should have been provided way back when he provided the written to start an appeal he has to provide something in writing says I want to appeal the order um it should have been provided then at the last hearing my memory is correct you you didn't have that that you allowed his testimony to fill those gaps
because at first it kind of sounded like when you said that that if an order was stayed again that then you could submit those items. But but the way you're reading is that they should they they need to already be there right now. Yeah. That information should be given to you because what it's allowing you to do is go, okay, based on what we're
hearing and seeing this can be re re um reconstructed, repaired, and here's how we know that because we've been told this is what's happening, who's doing it, and the timetable for doing it. Are those things part of the the permit application process? Is it or something? That would not be a question I can answer. that would be something fulfilling
because I mean I'm sure that the permit process you have a list of items that you have to do to repair the structure. I I think the the idea behind the list that's in your code is it's allowing you to have the evidence that you in front of you to go okay the applicant's
telling me we can rebuild this structure and here's how he's showing us he's going to do it and it's it's possible. So is that in the appeal process paperwork that you need in the appeal process paperwork does it say when you file your appeal you need to include these items.
It's in the code that that's should be part of it if this is if if you were appealing and you were seeking this remedy it says that that this should be provided. So if I could ask a question on that if if that is if that is truly the process I would have expected that that would
have been submitted with the appeal before the appeal was before councel. Well, we talked about my memory starts. We talked about this last and you you went with the information provided that you were given the information from him about hiring people and the time frame. He gave you the information verbally
just not in writing. So that's that's how you went forward. Yeah, but that's that seems to be more Yes, it's it was succinct on the list of what the repairs are and all that and obviously you can't garner that from a conversation. Well, last time he he and again you can use last time these are a continuation.
So you can still if you remember that testimony from back then um you can still use that information provided to you as evidence for your decision today. Um like I said if memory server was based on the information provided by Mr. Lungquist last time and Dr. Janelli you guys were satisfied with that information to to stay for the
fresh in my mind. I just the other day um can I make a motion? Absolutely. I would like to motion to stay the demolition of 7717 Pier Road for a period of 45 days. Okay. Is there a second?
He's left the building. So, is there a second? Did you go to the bathroom? I didn't know he left. He was here. Okay. Look, we operate without we have a quorum. So, is is is there a second? Okay, that motion dies.
Um I think we should on Bob. Well, I mean, I'll let restate the motion once Bob's in place. Is that okay? Yeah, it died. She can try it again. And I want if I can throw out there before the Well, you missed a motion while you were making a motion. I think
mother didn't need to make a motion. I had to second it. So, I suggest with the motion um because I think part of the confusion um with staff and me even and and council and maybe even with Dr. Janelli with the last one, it was 30 days to do something. Let's be really clear on what
needs to happen. you know, and and some folks took that 30 days as 30 days he needed to be have, you know, shovels in the sand. That was not your intent. You've just said that tonight. So, I would I would ask that whatever the motion is, if it is something to stay, let's be real specific to what we expected. What are the things that need
to be done in a Well, could I ask a couple clarifying questions because just for clarification for these minutes, Councilwoman Sullivan made a motion to stay for 40,000. There was no second. Motion failed. So then if we
make a motion, it's completely new. We're not worried about backtracking. Okay. Correct. That's failed. Yes, you absolutely can ask questions. I'm trying. I'm sorry. Hold on. Let me let me let me throw you in with me. That's up to your guy in charge here. I have a couple questions. Ask the building official.
Um I heard Veronica say that you need a permit to remove a shed, but you don't need a permit for a 400 square foot shed. Is that Yes, you do. Yes, you do. So, if you go out and buy a shed and put it on your property, it needs a permit.
Yep. Yes. It's got to be anchored down and it's got to meet the windload requirements. Yeah. Okay. So then check that out. And the reason for a demo permit is to take it off of the property appraisers website. I got you. Because you're paying taxes on that building.
That's what I'm trying to understand. Okay. So if the if the fence was blown over in the storm, you still need to pull it off the property appraisers website. No. No. The plans state that they're removing a shed and the fence. Okay. That's on the plans
and and hence the need for a for a uh survey. Is that what you're No. The survey under 107.2.5 states that on an existing building or new construction, you are required to
have a survey with all setbacks. And if you wanted to press the issue, you can also get it with elevations because each permit is required to have a site plan. Understood. Okay. One quiz. Can it Yeah. Can we if you guys are talking
back, it's distracting. So please have ordered. Okay. So you had a question for what needed to be done. If they don't you don't mind I'll let the building official explain exactly what right what would need what is the list of
things that would need to be done if a stay were granted within 45 days application completed with all subcontractors got to have site plan they got to have all the deficiencies of the 15 or so
that I had written up twice now addressed They already have the engineered plan. Okay. So that part will work. Okay. So it be those four things and then they also have to have an SISD. Sis, which is a flood requirement because
they're stating it as flood repairs. That's that packet that everybody's been filling out. Yep. Okay. I hope I hope that answer your question. Question. Can I make another motion? Yeah, sure. You want to say say something?
Do you have something else to say? Yeah, you can state your motion. Well, I wanted to make a couple things. You can make the motion. Yeah, if you want. No hurry to take the motion. I'll make the motion. I'll talk. Go ahead. Make the motion. I'd rather hear from you first. Well, I've built a few houses and I
administrator for air conditioning company for over a decade. I've dealt with a lot of inspectors and a lot of built went through a lot of building departments and I know it can be frustrating but uh the building officials have a license and they have to be strict because if something happens later the fire happens because
something didn't meet code or someone gets injured to the storm insurance company looks at they may look and see who per who signed off on something that wasn't done right. There is that chance that Tony has to take. Um, with that being said,
Mr. Janelli has wanted to do the right thing through some circumstances of his own and some not. It seems like with help he had, um, it wasn't accomplished. However, I do agree with Andy. If you hired Mr. Powell, he knows exactly what
he needs. You don't need to have a meeting with him. He knows exactly what you need to do. And what you do is don't bother him anymore till you get everything done. If you have any questions, Mr. Pal shouldn't have any questions. He should have it there. Just fill it out. But all the information you can too much information is never a
problem. I don't believe enough always is. Get it done. Don't waste the time. If you got the right information, which Mr. Pal will know what to do, you're done. I don't want to tear your house down, but we don't need to be sitting up here
going through this again and again. I know some people have the flooded, they put their house together like nothing happened here. You know, it's kind of frustrating because some of us want to do exactly what we're supposed to do and it's it's frustrating and those people don't want to get frustrated. But Tony
has a job to do. He has a reputation. He has a license. He has to conduct. Everybody's different. Everybody's a human. So, we have to have a little flexibility here and I really want to give you a chance to do the right thing. I think Tony has given you a chance. I
don't think he wants to give up on you, but can you only be bothered unless you have everything there? Neither does the staff. Have it all in because we don't want to go through this again. Believe me, we we don't want you to go through this again. Okay. So, um you want to make the motion?
Yes. And before I do that, I'd like to say that the reason for the 45 days is because we have a building inspector that works two days a week currently. And um this seems to be like there's a a lot of moving parts to this. I I don't know the complexity of those if they're
easier or not. But I'm going to go with 45 days because 30 days seems might be restrictive. And rather than have them come back again, just the extra 15 days, hopefully it wraps everything up and it's a done deal. So 5 days to do what? 45 days to do these things. I'd like to
make a motion to state the demolition of 7717 Pier Road for a period of 45 days conditioned on the application that the following items be submitted within that 45day period. Apply application for permits
site plan. uh the deficiency the 15 deficiencies addressed and a SISD blood packet and and so if I could clarify the motion before I ask for a second uh in that you you said submitted does
that mean just submitted so and the reason I I asked that so on day 45 all that stuff is submitted and then something is missing and approved and approved submitted and approved 45 in 45 days. Okay. Question. Sure.
Is that possible, Tony? Is 45 days enough time for them to pull all those things that they haven't got so far together? Is that a reality? Yeah, it's a reality, but how hard they work at it, I don't know. Can I make a statement before we go further on this?
I'm struggling here. I'm struggling a lot. Here's why I'm struggling. All right. can't hear his name. Can I get a second? Second. And again, just because it's second doesn't mean we have to vote either way. It just allows the conversation. Okay.
Council. Thanks, man. I'm struggling because, you know, I I have, contrary to what some other people are saying, I' I've learned to respect Tony and his position here and his knowledge greatly, you know, and what what what we're being asked to do right
now, Dr. Janelli, and I'm not I'm not taking a shot at you because I'm thankful you're a taxpayer in the city and your taxes are paid on time and everything else, but you're asking us to divide the relationship between the council and our building official. That's done. What's that?
Oh. Um, so it's a very difficult place for us to be. You've got a couple people right now who are making motions for you. you know, should this pass right now, I'd suggest you make some hay and get this done because it's it's causing the great division here between the
staff and and the people that work for us here and they would do a great job here in the city. So, that's just my two cents on that. I agree with Chris to a point. I think um I understand it's hard it's hard to get work done. It's hard sometimes just
to get the people to show up or work for you or the materials are back. But the thing is, if they're not doing what they're supposed to be doing for you, then you need to get somebody else. And you don't need to wait all this long
amount of time to say, "I need somebody else." So, I'm I'm the same way. Nobody wants to tear down your property. But you can't, you know, it sounds like maybe you've gotten the right person now, but if you haven't gotten the right person, then you're we turn right around
and we do this again. And there's not one person in here wants to do this again because really most of us don't want to do it tonight. Yeah. Well, sense of urgency. Yeah. Any other comments? Um, I'll make just a couple. So,
obviously, I've been dealing with this the longest and and I can I can tell you I am I'm very frustrated with the whole the whole process. Um, I I cannot for the life of me reconcile why this is taking as long as it is. And
I I I hear the testimony. I see the I see the back and forth. I see stuff trickling in. Um, you know, I I want to I want to impress upon both staff and applicants that whatever the the outcome of this is, this needs to be the top
priority um to to meet whatever time frame council decides to to stay it. Um, if it if it get stays, it's it's gone on way too long. And again, I I I don't understand is is there is there animosity out there? I don't know. But
we need to put all that aside and we need to work through this process and we need to work through the correct process. And I I think in the past there's been there's been process issues. Um if I if I go all the way back to the the original um uh
uh when we originally came to council. So um I I'm inclined as well to uh be up on stay. I I don't I don't know uh if I'm in total agreement with the time frame. Um you know, we've we've
already granted 30 days and it's it's it's been somewhat of a debacle. Um and but I'm not necessarily opposed to 45 days, but it needs to be done in 45 days. And and I can tell you my patience is extremely thin
on this. And again, I don't I don't want to tear anybody's house down either. Um, but I I don't want to be uh and I'm not saying it's the case, but I don't want to be strung along with with empty promises either. And I I get the feeling from staff that there's there's a lot of
effort being put into this and they're not getting what they what they are asking for in a timely manner. I can see based on the evidence that some things go right up to the deadline. And so, um, you know, and I I'll just give the example of where it was 30 days and I
believe it was 29 or day 30 is when we got the initial thing in. Um, so, um, that's kind of where I am. Um, I'll call a roll call vote. Mayor Hoover, what is your vote? I,
Vice Mayor, Mayor, what is your vote? Nay. Councilman Robert Hubard, what is your vote? I. Counciloman Lisa Burke, what is your vote? I. Councilwoman Christine Sullivan, what is your vote? I motion carries.
Thank you. That will send a letter out to everybody. They know that one question. No. No. Well, you ask on side if you need to. Um, next. Oh, you want break? I'm I'm gonna go. Yeah, let's let's take
a quick five minute recess. No, no, Dr. We'll have you out. Come on. Come on. Come on, everyone. Take a break. What kind of crap is that? frustrating.
Oh boy. Not again. both sides of it. But I mean, Jesus Christ grow up, right? I don't super ridiculous. He's like losing his patience.
He lost his patience. He didn't like that. What's happen? What is show? How do we get here? Only a That's not these microphones.
The main thing These guys were Huh? We're taking a few minute break. More than you miss. Maybe more than five. I'm here. Yeah, we maybe more than five. I know. I know how you feel,
to be honest with you. I drive you. Oh, [Music] next up is item number four, periodic review of old business items. I'll pass it to Mr. about a field for auction. Uh yes sir. Uh we uh discussed uh
Councilman Hover brought up uh in a pre re recent meeting that we needed to address old business and so we put it on the agenda tonight uh thinking that's a great idea to review from the bottom up. Everything old business. Uh we took his advice.
We're trying to uh make sure nothing CRA related snuck on to the council uh old business and move that to uh uh to the CRA agenda. but uh look forward to going through tonight and maybe there's some things that aren't in priorities anymore and uh maybe there's some things that
need to move up the priority list. So staff is all So did you say that the the items have been divvied up between council and CRA? We we No, I don't think we've done that yet. Same list was before, right? It kind of his suggestion prompted us to do an overall review.
Yeah. So I guess the part of the exercise tonight would be to find out which ones need to go CRA. Yeah. not only not only find which ones that we want to move over to CRA because they're more CRA related items, but also determine by this council that we have presently the items on old business if
you want us, you know, consensus to continue moving forward on them. That way we can we can put all efforts into these, you know, to completing these projects and get them done. Some of these projects have been moving along, but some of them have been stagnant due to just direction by council. We've changed members and things like that.
So, we want to get a more um positive direction on this and instead of just old business being that last item of just a small review, we decided to put on an agenda item so we can sit discuss each one um prioritize if necessary, switch it over to CRA and just go through that. So, that way city manager
and staff has a more direct um view from council on what you guys want us to do. Okay. So, we'll we'll step through them one by one. So the uh the first one is sun shades trees at waterfront park a CRA project. Yeah. I don't know what we're going to do or
Yeah. I would I would think that we move that over to CRA and we actually look at funding that those things they aren't that expensive. I know we've been trying to get grants and different things or whatever, but I I think we should probably try to put something together relatively soon on that waterfront park.
Would you guys agree? Can I ask a question? Sure. I mean, if we're gonna if an overhaul of that whole thing, do we really want to drop money right now in little pieces versus a big picture? I don't think so.
Well, and I'm not suggesting that we necessarily not put that in a in a larger scope project, but just the fact that that piece of it we obviously want to do. And I'm I'm not suggesting that we do it right out the gate and then we come, oh, we should have did it this way in a remodel, but we should definitely
move it as an old business item CRA because I think it's something that in the overall scheme of redoing any park, we probably need to incorporate that in. I just don't want to build a porch when we got to build a house%. And this isn't this isn't saying that we're going to do that, but it just
keeps on thing. It's it's a piece of whatever we decide to do. We need to take this and move it from to Yes. Yeah. Okay. Can I make a motion to move it from here? Is there any objections to moving that CR and keep it on there? No. Okay. And that's good enough. Um, next up is US 19 Grand Boulevard
intersection improvements. Um, I I believe this also could be a CRA project and that's probably where it needs to be just because the funding. Um, really? Is there something funny? No, we is that isn't that we have a grant for
that, aren't we? We No, we decided So, just give you all a little history because I know some of you weren't around then. So, originally this um we were going to go to the MO to help fund it. Um and the MO timeline, uh
it takes a a few years to get that in the pipeline. They were willing to to help with that, but city decided council time decided to uh fund it ourselves because it was what was our cost s roughly. Yeah. Estimated a cost for the construction for this project. I guess we probably have an actual new
number now, right? Um I want to say in the run of 300,000. Yeah, that's about 400,000 look. I can take a look when our engineers sent us. So, but I do remember the MBO was going to take a longer. I remember that. Yeah, it was going to be a few years just to get in the process. It was and we decided it was relatively small.
We'll fund ourselves. And I know it we we also talked about putting that as one of the projects to go to um appropriation request. Um but again it's relatively small. It's something we should be able to handle.
Um, whilst I was looking that um up, I I did have questions on where we're at as far as an update on this too because it was kind of going back and forth with if not and that's been resolved, my understanding and I I thought we were just waiting on the
final approval and it would be going to bid. So, I'd like to know where we're at on that as well. Talk about the golf cart crossing, correct? Right. Yes. It's a it's a enhancement to Grand Boulevard and it would accommodate golf carts. I mean, it's a vital piece right now. Many people can't cross over legal unless they have tags. They should be
able to to go ahead. So, our engineer has it estimated just shy of 300,000 for construction. It's 288 was their projected for the Grand Boulevard project. Okay. So, where are we at with with that whole process?
Um the drainage permit part of the um the storm water drainage part of the permit has been signed off by the city manager. Um that has gone back and we're still waiting for final approval from uh FD um FOT, but our engineer checks with them daily
on that because all all comments from from the engineer side have been accomplished. All comments from FDOT have been satisfied. So now we're just waiting for that final per permit approval. So then we can put out both put out to bed. We expect it to fall sometime
very soon. But I'm at the mercy of that. So, so we're we're still waiting on ESDOT just to issue the permit. So, they've made their comments. Both sides have made their comments and suggestions for the project. Those have been satisfied by all parties. We're just waiting for
the permit to be issued. Okay. We have everything in as far as the application for the permit. And how long's that been? Um, it's been months. I don't have an estimated time. It's been months since we submitted the permit. Yes. Well, we submitted Yeah. since the engineer has been back and forth with
FDOT on the permit. The permit process has been um I want to say submitted I'd say maybe at least 3 to four months, but I'll have to take I have to find out for sure. Okay. And when was the when was the date that we had everything resolved that FOT was in
agreement? Um has it been since then? I'd have to check my emails for that. The engineer just emailed me and the city manager. I just forwarded to him that we're just we're still waiting on the the permit itself, but everything is completed.
Okay. Um, if you could get me that date, I will send a message to the secretary tomorrow to follow up. I don't know what the holdup is, but I'll make sure that he gets on. Um, okay. And I'm not sure what what the giggles are for, but I'm going to I'm
going to and I think it's important information to kind of go through our CRA plan of what's in our plan. Um, and the reason that I've stated that um so under the page 48 CRA plan, capital projects and conceptual master plan, the very first item is intersection improvements and the very first item is
Grand Boulevard US 19. Second is Washington Street US19. Third is River Golf Road in US19. Next is street skates streetscape projects. US19 maintenance and landscaping. Again, Grand Boulevard pedestrian improvements and landscaping. Washington Street pedestrian
improvements and landscaping. Next up is redevelopment efforts. Waterfront district mobility sha sherrows and curbless parking access, boat access, entertainment, age inclusive instructure, street furniture, boat slips, connection to waterfront park, retail commercial.
Next up is open space improvements, enhancements, dredging projects, waterfront park connection with waterfront district, encourage age inclusive events and activities particularly for elders, teens and young adults parks. Acquisition of vacant blighted land for age inclusive public use improvements and amenity enhancements. Uh next is wayinding and
signage. signage gateway south entrance from Newport Richie north of 19 uh US19 parks historical c cultural Indian mounds neighborhoods public boat slips wayfinding and then community programs housing assistance and rehabilitation grants lowinterest loans and or deferred
payment options homeowner rehabilitation assistance emergency repair programs and accessibility improvements small business grants improvements for existing small businesses small business incentives incentive for business owners to relocate within CRA boundaries particularly waterfront district and developer for incentives attract
developers for redevelopment projects for small storefronts, street streetscape improvements and entertainment in a waterfront district. That is a layout of our CRA plan. This is what we have to spend money on for these things. Uh anything outside that we would need to make sure we get incorporated in a plan or would be outside the the guidelines floor
statute. So, um obviously Grand Boulevard and intersection improvement is well within our scope of CRA and I think we should move it there and that's where the the money is to be able to to fund that project. the CRA, our CRA resilience coordinator, you know, also
concurs that it's a project that can be in the CRA. So, so is there any but that project? Yeah, that project will just have to be brought before this the board once we once we get the, you know, once it goes out to bid and we have proposals, we'll have to approve on. So, that still will have to go before the board for final approval.
Thank you. Any objections move? No. Okay. Next up is Nick's park ramp fees allowance. Um this is obviously was with you Nancy. I'm thinking the last that we had which may have been closed out is that the
challenge is is in order to charge at next park if you're going to charge something different for residents than the the outside the city is there's has to be some kind of formula put together on you know because city residents pay taxes they would pay X and whether
that's free or not is to be determined by um you know I guess what the cost is to maintain and all that and you can charge um you you can't just arbitrarily charge outside city and not charge city residents. That was right the analysis. Um, but you can charge differently and
so that's so I think it's really back at the city at this point of how we I'm going to say and it was before time and I don't know if it was John or maybe before that time when John was here but at some point there was a conversation about how how to manage how to like even
before what do we charge how would we do it so I think that's where the conversation kind of stalled but yeah so obviously there's there's there's some kind of infrastructure to be able to charge where there's a box where you put an envelope put it on your honor system or you have some kind of electronic thing or even maybe some
public private partnership they would we would get that we would they would run it for us and then we would get some money. I don't think charge at all for parking or for the boat ramp. I think we should charge parking and citizens shouldn't have Yeah. How it would how it a parking
I mean there's an app now for paid parking mobile. Yeah. And then whoever enforces it goes around with like a scanner gun and can run the plates and it'll say whether it's paid or not that you would just have to delineate who was a
resident and who was not. And I guess maybe the license plate would have stickers that any or whatever. I think the the methodology of how you collect that is is secondary to what you're charge and how you're going to figure out who you're charging.
This is not talking about parking. This is talking about boat freeze. So, it's it's my thoughts. We got much bigger fish in this thing to deal with. It's my thought we don't deal with this right now. I think we just pull that off and move on to a different thing because if we're going to be spending some money
down there at Nicks Park um and we're going to be talking about getting some parking money and stuff like that, I think going after the people dropping the boat in the waters. Yeah. No, I I don't think we should necessarily take it off CRA though. No, definitely not CRA. Yes.
Well, well, I guess depending on if you use CRA monies to to do that, you might have to incorporate that with that that the the fees would come back into CRA depending on how it's funded if you understand what I'm saying. So, you want to leave it there. Um, I think we I
think we can leave it leave it just where it's at for now generally and we figure out what we do it later because, you know, depends on that. a priority column to this and prioritize our tasks.
One through three. That's what I suggested. The other are like, okay, eventually we'll get to it. One like we need that done yesterday. Sure. Yep. Just add a comment. Do do you want would it be better to divvy these up?
Prioritize so we see. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. So, I think that's a great call out. So, why don't we continue down this to to get them separated into into their their buckets and we'll come back and prioritize them within those. Yes, sir. If I may, I'll anything park related, we
would love to wait before we act park uh the overall comprehensive park plan. Park master plan. Park master plan, thank you, is uh completed. So, it anyway, it might affect our priorities because those those should wait for a comprehensive plan.
Okay. So, so we're going to leave next park rent fees allowance on here uh for now in in in the uh general side. Any questions? Okay, moving on to 5219 Miller Bayou Drive across from Olner
Park. Um this is the this is the property that we're going to do the community garden with, I believe, right? And yes, I think CAC is actively trying to get some help with that. Well, we we've we I've I've reached out to engineers to do a design to to do the design work for
this, but I was never given direction by um our former city manager. Um and with my discussion with the current city manager, this is once again a project that has been sitting here for a while if we just need to decide to move forward. The the green space was, you know, it's now counted as a green space
just like the property we talked about earlier um today, but this one has been designated as a green space. It's directly across from Mosner Park and you know there was a lot of talks about just doing you know a natural walkway a community garden having some Florida friendly landscaping placed in there um
and just bas making it basically an extension of older park but I'm just basically waiting for a go-ahad or set it aside and once again we could prioritize this this project it's just one of those dormant projects that have been sitting here for quite some time that you know staff just needs direction
on to move forward with. I think this moves over to CRA as well with the same theme as the parks kind of what I'm thinking guys. Yeah. Like I said, I'm cool with spending some money over there to make it look pretty and put a walkway and a little bench or something to sit on, you know. So, it's my consensus. Let's move that to CR as
well. Um, next is a utility lead and copper study. Uh, looks like utility staff continue field analysis compiling information for FRWA and FD assistance. All reports have been submitted to FDP for compliance and are waiting further direction from the state. Where are we at with that?
So on my my conversations with Darren Olas is that we have submitted everything to FT FT uh to be currently complying with lead and copper. It's an ongoing um issue with the state that they still want to address, but as of right now, we're caught up with it. They
haven't asked us to do any further um uh further digging or further analysis than the reporting that we've already provided. So, um, once again, it's one of these, this will, you know, this is a type of thing of old business that will basically be on there forever because I
personally feel that in one form or another, we're always going to be analyzing lead and copper in one form or another. This all part of the replacement of the the mains well with and well, actually this this affects the services that go from the water man to the person's home. That's
what the lead and copper study was about because there's a lot of homes out there that were are so old that they either have copper lines or lead lines. They're not PVC. So that's what the stud is for. Study is not about our main lines. It's about the services that actually go from the main to the you know to the home to
the residents. So what we in this um this analysis was basically us spot digging um several several meter areas in all areas of the city um doing a percentage of that. at that time the of what FTE wanted us to
do. We've submitted that and uh we're just we're basically waiting on what what further work they want us to do or if they're going to um ask these homes to start, you know, that they'll have to have these services changed out, but it's it's a very um we haven't received
any word from them in quite some time. So I don't know if the majority of the cities having an issue of complying, but as far as us, we've complied to what we need to so far. Okay. We we had talked about a comprehensive plan, master plan
for the water pipe replacement, putting that together. I'm assuming that we're moving forward. Daryl's supposed to have that together to the meter. From the meter to the house is a whole another deal, right? Not just to the meter house. Yeah. meter to the house is that's not deal. This utility lead and cover study is to
the meter as well, right? Yeah, it's meter to the house. Oh, it's me to the house. I'm sorry. Meter to the house. So, if we've done what we're supposed to do with meter to the house, we've done the study. We're up to speed on it. We we we don't need to look at this. Yeah. Sounds like we can just take this off. Take it off. I believe it'll take it off. If if there's something that you know that needs to come to the city manager or
bring to council, I'm sure that we can go ahead and do that. But, as of right now, we are we're compliant with this. And you know, like I said, until until FT, you know, gives municipalities further direction on what they want to do, um, I I think that this can come off that list in general.
Yeah. I think once they come back with something that we can look at, do we put it back on at that time and just say, you know, if we have to spend money and, you know, to do a further study or or they're requiring us to do something, I don't, like I said, but at at this time, we're not we've we've we've satisfied or have satisfied all
requirements. Okay. Objection salute. Move that off. Okay. Stricken. Um, next up, Brasher Park Demolition and Remodel. I'm thinking that should be moved over to CR only because that it is an ongoing project. I mean, we have we've done the
demolition uh demolition is fully complete and done. Um, and now we need to start with the park master plan redesigning that park. So, I think that we could probably change the demolition and just, you know, um move this over to CRA as just a fresher park, you know,
and basically remodel. Do we have a current survey on that park survey or do will we need will we need a survey to uh design this part? I'm sure eventually with, you know,
we're probably going to need a full survey, which I have to I'll have to be part of the scope of work. I mean, I'm sure it's going probably be the scope of work as far as the design process that they'll go ahead and do a survey if we don't have one at that time. So, we'll, you know, that'll be part of the scope of work anyway. Yeah. And if we had one, it probably was
outside the two-year mark that they need anyway. So, if we have anything, it's very old. It's, you know, so yeah. So, any objections to moving that to CRA? No. Okay. Next up is Limestone Drive Fishing Pier. Um, obviously this is completed
pretty much other than that one part out there to market, right? We were holding off back in the state to make sure. Chief, okay, we were holding off on putting that in and Veronica was going to contact the state because it's actually in state orders.
We don't want to make we want to make sure that that we have their approval to put a pole out there because if somebody hits the pole or if the pole blows out or this or that. So I see. Yeah. Once we once I realized it was at state orders with that change the game a little bit. We haven't been doing anything to work out getting that removed. Anyhow, huh.
I'm sorry. We haven't been working on getting that removed at any any As far as I know, they told me they removed they removed some rock from that particular location. So did somebody reach out to to Joerger and ask if he could help rectify that? I haven't. I don't know. Has anybody
reached out to Gator? Joerger. Joerger. Joerger. Oh, Joerger. Joerger. Brad. Brad. Yeah. No, I thought I haven't been able to get a hold of Brad on that. Understand? He's a boat guy. Where are you from anyway? Huh?
Not Florida. Exactly. Illinois down here. Jagger. All right. This can come off. I I did I did call other than that one thing. So, hey. Well, we just had back. We just had an
ADA ramp installed, but it's I don't know if the concrete has been poured. This the uh the building official went out there today to inspect before they pour because there's there was a there was a transition between the the roadway and the new seaw wall platform that was put in that there's the need to be a
ramp to go there. You know, people are going to still fish off off what's there now at Limestone Pier. We had to have some sort of ADA ramp to, you know, if anyone with a wheelchair wants to go up there and continue to fish. that that is about to be finished. Um I'm I'm in
discussions with the contractor because um we've paid we have sent them payment for the bid bid amount, but they're saying that they have a change order um a change order invoice and that's going to have to go before the the board to look at that. So, um, I I told them that
if they have a change order or anything outside the bid amount, that's going to have to be presented to, which I believe this is a CRA project. So, it's going to have to go before the CRA board to get This is for demolition. Yeah, it's been part of the demolition. Did you Were you aware of a change order? They mentioned that to me, but I told
him I says I can't approve anything without So, they're charging us more money and they didn't complete the job and I know we we went out and looked and we know it's still there. So yeah, I'm just I know that but I I've been informed them that I can't approve anything
without the council or CRA board giving go ahead to move forward. So can can can staff maybe bio help staff because I I I don't know exactly what we're talking about. I know there's obstruction out there that we want to mark or whatever, but I I don't have a a problem sending a message to Brad to see
if he can help. If I get the details from staff, then what I can just to make him aware of exactly what we're looking to do and I can see if he can help. We what we what we'll do is that um if I can coordinate with fire to get the specific coordinates of the location that we're talking about and then give
you that information to get the brand that way we can confirm that it's you know that it's state waters and then that way he can do that. So if if we can if we can coordinate to get like just some sort of GPS coordinates of that location in that area and then we can give it to him to reach out.
I'll see if I can't get that one out. Okay. Okay. But as far as take a couple days. Sure. Just let me know. Um and he's actually going to be here for the because the appropriation proclamation we're going to do
November 12th. November 12th is a tenative date. wait on Hooper to to confirm but that he might be here at that point. Council will be Wednesday the 12th because the 11th our normal is Veterans Day off. Okay. But Edward's committed to that. We wait on that. We're waiting on the other. So on the line still fishing pier. Do we
want to go ahead and take that off for now or do we I would leave it on. Leave it on too. Completed. Okay. Yeah. I'd rather it be you know everything is written off completed sealed and done. Okay. But the good thing is is that it's we're in the 90%.
Of course, it doesn't go on CR. Well, we we use CRA to do that, didn't we? Eric. Oh, no. We used ARA. I believe there was some. Yeah. Yeah. It was ARPA for the for the initial demolition cost. Yes. That was set aside in ARBA. So, that's why it's been on here.
Okay. So, we leave it on this this side. Everything good? Okay. Okay. Next up, city brush pickup. Um, so we could probably change that. Um, because at first we were talking um,
and this this is up to the council if they want to discuss this further. Um, city brush pickup. It's it was just basically are we continuing the the service or we not continuing the service. Um, uh, there's been discussions of fees in the past. Um
currently right now the um fire the fire department and the utility uh public works utility director are are coordinating to do a fire um do an air curtain um and burn the existing brush pile. Um you know please fill in what I'm you know he actually got approval to
move forward with that from forestry. So if you want to go ahead and add to that. So after listening to Daryl and S and all the amount of money it's costing taxpayers to do that and mulch it up and do everything they're doing. We looked at the property. It's pretty big piece of property, but it doesn't meet the
total setback requirements. Um, unless we use an air curtain. So, I had I met with Forestry today. Took us a little bit to get with him. I met with Forestry today. We went out there and walked the site. He looked at it and he goes, "Listen, as long as you use an air curtain and I told him I was I'd have a brush truck on standby because the amount of woods around that surround
it." So, he even looked it up on Google Earth. And he goes, "As long as you have a brush truck on standby here with somebody in it, and uh um utilities has a tractor out here, a loader the whole time it's burning, um and you and you're using an air curtain to minimize the smoke." We uh uh identified an area to
dig the pit for him to do it at. So it it will save the city significant amount of money. I told him, I said we would probably do this a quarterly thing. You know what I mean? You know, it'd be random, but you know, probably on a quarterly basis so that pile doesn't get too big. Uh we can burn it. So that's
where we're at. That just all came down the pipe today, literally a couple hours before this meeting. Just a second. Yeah, that sounds great. Work on that. Isn't that what we just saw over here somewhere? They were social media was up about some big fire control. Control burn in the state park.
Okay. Yeah. 150 acres they were burning to try to get the underbrush. So when they do get fires, they don't get so significant. God, it didn't look control to me, but question. Since our fire department is managing that plan and we're looking for
funding for a fire department itself, can we add a fee to this? I used to think that it should be free because it was a nice service, but we kept the we we did the roll back and we're looking for funding for a fire department. So, can we can we add fee to this and
designate it to a fire department fund? So, yes, yes, you can add fees. Mhm. Um, if you're talking about names of the tax role, no, like if you have a separate fee or whatever, um, the only other way we do fees obviously would be to attach something to a utility bill or
something. Um, I can tell you that I personally am not I mean, this is a service that the city has always had and is very passionate about. It's it's a good service. It actually keeps the city clean. I agree. I agree. It's just we have to start somewhere to fund this fire
department. Yeah. what what I what I had brought up a while back um was that you know cuz at the time it was getting so expensive to have somebody come out and mulch that all up or whatever which obviously sounds like we're going to have a a solution that's going to save us money
to resolve that. But uh I wanted to look at that as as a as part of a um whole garbage initiative and I don't think that's necessary off the table. I think Andy was kind of looking at that too where the city brush pickup may be incorporated into something like that
someday. But I think until those conversations happen, we still need to have not like not like an NPR. No, we definitely want to copy that. But uh sir, just to clarify, there's still going to be expenses involved and we're going to have a little time on the we
got the the rental of the air curtains. We don't they're $100,000 or something to buy, right? So there's the rental of the air curtain every time you need it uh for a couple of days or whatever that you may need it. The overtime from the fire department out there and the manpower for utility staffing to be out there. So I just wanted to make sure you
knew that this wasn't going to make it a freebie. It's still going to cost that we've already budgeted for correct. It's in the budget. What's an is it budget? Well, this I'm not going to say it was a budgeted item, but we have monies available in,
you know, in either utility fund or uh or the general fund to to get this done. But I we have to get costs, see how much we're going to do. We have operating money to do it, but I mean, it wasn't a specific budgeted item as a as a plan to do that, but we do have operating monies
to do that. But, um, but you know, you know, the fire chief is correct. We're going to have to uh you know have have crew there as well with a you know with a back goat machine you know just in case you know to move the move the brush around um and stuff like that. So yeah there are going to be rental fees but I don't know the cost until I get Daryl to
start reaching out. It sounds like it's will be a reduction in cost what it was taking us. Right. Daryl us out with no more of the actual numbers that it was costing on. It's going to be much cheaper than if we were to mulch the pile, you know, because the last time I tried to get a piggy back with Newport Richie to while they because they mulched their pile. Um
I mean it was going to was this was three or four years ago was going to cost us about 60,000 just to piggyback off that you know off the mulching. So burning is much is going to be much less expensive than doing that. It's not going to cost us that much money to rent an air curtain or or an
extra machine if we need it. So, but we we'll get those costs. Where do you rent air curtains? Air curtain store. Yeah. And what an air curtain is is that what it does is that it provides it provides air into the into the burning pile as
itself. So, what you don't have is a lot of smoke. It eliminates smoke and you get a clean burn. Faster, cleaner, hot air. Yeah. Right. So it forces air into the pile as as it's burning. So you get less smoking. It won't look like the other burn.
So it won't look like the other bird, right? It won't look like it looks like a torch. Yeah. So do we do we need to leave this on for any reason? It's not like we've other than we might discuss it later. Unless you're going to have a discussion about fees and and imposing something
like that. Yes. If not, it's an operational thing that departments are handling. I recently had a meeting with our finance director and he told me that if we were to get a bricks grant for the fire department that'd be great but we don't have so much as the first dollar save for a fire department. How do we
you know is do we not need to be looking for an opportunity to get some money saved up for the matching grant on the fire department? Well, sure. And then we also appropriation process too. We ask the state to help us with that and which we will be doing. The matching part. Well,
there would be a match based on what we would ask approp. So, let's say it's a $10 million fire station. We go and we ask for uh 8 million with a $2 million our cost or whatever. So, there would be a matching component
seems to think we don't have a dollar and trying to figure that out. Well, right. We need to start preparing for for that for sure. So, and maybe this but is there not a capital complaint about that item for the next five years for that? I think a lot of people will complain
about a lot of things, but we have to get some money for a fire department. If I may, the mayor alluded to it. The first couple days I was here, I asked my predecessor, "Who's our franchise hauler?" And he laughed because we don't have one. Uh so that's a whole another discussion that we if we close this off
but I opened some business soon uh discussing a change now say chopper just left but and now we can talk bad about I've got to proceed cautiously because they had quite a experience trying to change the the overall garbage process uh next door in our sister city. So
hopefully they'll they'll we can get some lessons learned out of it. that we could overhaul the the city and go to the franchise so we could collect franchise fees and we could target anything we get out of that towards saving for our next fire state. There were a lot of complaints about that. A
lot of complaints did not like it. Brush brush fees already. People move brush from not in front of their house. It's be very hard to enforce. So, okay. So, I shouldn't waste a lot of time investigating a hauler. Not what I'm hearing. Not what
I'm hearing. It would take a lot of traffic off the roads, right? If you had one company that picked up, we could even start recycling now. I'm just telling you what what I'm hearing right now. There are more complaints than and I'm very aware of that because I attend all those meetings. And so keep
in mind that the way that that was implemented was was really the the problem. Um some, you know, they tried to put on tax bill. Nobody wanted that. Um some people advocated for the water bill. There's there's a lot of things
around that situation. What they had was is they contracted with a single hauler and the city was the biller. So you have a go-between. It's just doing the billing. It's not the service provider. So there was a lot of a lot of issues with how that was rolled out. And so obviously there's lessons to be learned
there. I don't think that the idea itself is a bad idea. Um if it's if it's thought out and not that Newport didn't think it out um because they a lot of time went into that, but it's um it's it's it's a change. It's uh you got to be very careful how you roll it out
because you got to the public needs to be buy into it. And I you know rather to Councilman Sman's point, we uh it's an income stream that many cities have that we don't have is that franchise fee. Uh and so if we could be more efficient, have less we could do that with multiple halters.
I mean, we don't collect a franchise fee at all. So they're running garbage in here and it didn't cost them anything. I I' I'd been say they don't have the business tax receipt, which they should because they do business in the city. But um is that true? They don't have business tax receipts. Okay. So I think even with our current
system where it's it's totally on the resident to pick their haul or whatever, we're not getting any franchise money from that like we do everything else. We need to look at that for sure. So I think there's a there's a bigger discussion around trash pickup and what we do going forward, how we do it. Um but definitely we need to get some
income from it. So to that point, I wouldn't mind closing off the city brush because it's just uh ops normal as it's been for a long time and then we when we get our act together on presenting a a recommended change to the whole garbage plan that that would become new business. Does that sound
reasonable? I'm totally against it, but totally we're talking about the city brush back. Do we leave it on here or not? We can take it off here. No. Uh, I don't see why you need they got it under control, I think. Okay. So, we take it off.
Yeah, we take it off. And just to to you're against franchising. Franchise fee is just charging a So, so you understand is we would charge a franchise fee to the haulers that operate in the city because they're making money off our residents
and the city's not getting any money from that. It's so it's a it's a cost to do business in the city. It's just an increased cost to the citizen. They potentially roll into the thing, but they're also I think they there's a there's a limit on what they can actually charge. I think that's it.
I don't need to need to look at that, but I'm not really for it. But okay, we talk about later. And there's a lot of free riders too, people that don't have any service at all and that trash goes somewhere and we pick it up. So that is a much larger discussion for sure. Yeah. So anyway, so city pickup, we'll take that off. I think we're good
there. Um, Grand Boulevard speed humps tables, comprehensive safety action plan. So, obviously, we had the the the plan is completed. Uh, we actually talked about the speed humps last meeting, I think it was or meeting before where they s going to move forward to install those ones on on
Grand. So, I think we still keep this on here. Yeah, I guess you got Ajax getting scheduled to do that, I guess. So, and it could be within the scope of CRA because it's Grand Boulevard and its safety and and whatnot, which is in the plan. So I
but it's a minimal cost too. So I don't know that it really matters one way or another. Um probably you know I don't want to take too much from the operational budget uh for the new year because this is what it's going to come off from from the new year. So um probably want to see if we can use this
for CR. It's going to be very minimal anyway. But regardless, um I'd like to also take the safety action plan off and then add the two signs that we're going to put on Washington on this meeting. So then we could just keep council updated when that's done. But that's what I kind of want to convert it to. Why don't we why don't we definitely
change the the name of it to uh just something general as far as um uh traffic safety, okay, measures. And we'll we'll list those speed humps and the uh the signs. Okay. Traffic caling measures. tried to
calm me down. That didn't sound calming. That's frustration. I think I'm fine now. Um that's a very good idea because I, you know, the
and we can add to it as we add to it because the police chief has um some ideas that he wants to impose, you know, fourway stops, things like that. So, I think keeping like a keeping it general like traffic calming or something like that will, you know, be able to just keep council apprised of what changes we're doing throughout the year.
Yeah, I think it's a great idea. Any objections to that? And should we should we move that to CRA? I think keep it here for now, right? Huh? I think you keep it here for now. As broad as it is, if you're making it that broad of a topic, it's probably best.
Yeah, probably a good idea. Okay. Fit CRE. Yeah. And we and we can always fund something out there if we need to. So, okay. Funds for CAC Mural. Uh, we acted and approved a $2,000 budget. I don't know where they're at with that. I know
they were CAC. Oh, yeah. You probably plan to start that end of October, I believe. We just have to submit our plans, our artwork to you. And I think, you know, after our next meeting, we'll probably have that together. I hope.
Cherokee had been working on that. Now Cherokee's leaving. So I I know there were I know some turnover. I think little turnover, but I think they had a plan for that. So Okay. We should know more about that in October. Okay. Well, it's it's probably find where it's at then, too. Okay.
You know who could do that is the guy from the Highway 19 thing in front of Highway 19 sign or whatever. The 19 building. Yeah. Where he does all the stuff on the side of the building. Oh, sure. He does a great job. He's a little out there, but he's out there in a good way.
Project, right? I think they had some volunteers already. Yeah. Yeah. He'd be much higher than two grand, I think. But let him put us 19, whatever his name is.
Shwin Williams is giving paint as well. Oh, they are a lot of paint. Oh, that's nice. Cool. Okay. I think it's good for it's at um next is imagine Cody River landing survey um plan consultant is prepping statement of work for next phase that include
development of a regulated plan comprehensive land use plan amendment and development of land use code yes and I'm trying to think of what what exactly this is this has been here a while I guess this has been this has been on here for a while I know that we still have
actions on council that we need to modify our plan unit development. I know we're still working on our comp plan. Uh that too. Yeah. You know that too. So, um and I wouldn't even call it the the landing survey anymore because that survey has been done. It's been you know it's it's past
business. Um I don't know if we just want to call it the you know just Cody River Landing development. Um or just you know like I said I the previous city manager was involved in this in this particular item. Um and it just it's been sitting
there in old business for quite some time. So help me understand what this is we did and what did we survey? Um it was a survey to the the the initial survey was basically done um by
our planner to see what the community wanted for that particular area at the time um for the Cody River Landing like what what what kind of vision that they you know wanted to see it in. So that survey was done um and then council
received at the time council received that information on the survey and they basically just you know are are going in the direction they're going on now with the current development and and that's what we're doing. So So is it gone? It's gone. I think it's probably
there's a couple cleanup items that we need to do from a zoning perspective and plan perspective. But I think if the you know the comprehensive land use plan amendments or anything changes that we're going to do any of those are going to have to come before council anyway for final approval. So I don't think that having
this on here is is necessary because any of those items going to have to come to you to be to be approved from. And speaking of the conference land use plan amendment, there was a uh email went back and forth about could we meet. There's still because there's only two of us now. It's myself and city manager.
And it was it was that meets quorum. So I'm assuming we need to meet but I don't know why we haven't. I believe we're waiting on the planner Tammy. Okay. Yeah. And I know that she was in talks with Veronica. Um she is aware that we can meet. Um so I think we're waiting on Tammy. Well, if if we can tie up all
these loose ends relatively quick. So, and if that's the case, we don't really need to have this on on here anymore. Agreed. Do we have some materials that came from this that are survey that will be beneficial this planning consultant?
Were we provided with Okay. So, we have materials that will benefit this. Yeah. Just reach out to Ashley. She can get on that too. Okay. Um, a matter of fact, it might even be if you know the meeting date, you can go back and probably get the the agenda pack that was on there as well. Um, next up, water plant rehabilitation.
Uh, definitely needs to stay on. Um, we're still ongoing. Everything is going well. Um, we've just recently received the floor plans, um, a rough the rough site plan. Um, they're going to go to 3D model soon. Um the city manager is still
coordinating with attorneys to acquire the properties necessary for the construction of the plant. Um the also good news is that starting in this fiscal year, we are now going to be doing advanced payments with FD. So we're now on that program where before
the the city was initiating payment and then getting re now FD will pay it before we we don't have to we don't have to put forward anything. So now we're part of that program. So this is going to be a complete wash moving forward. Okay. We'll probably uh have a presentation to
council from the Kim Creed either one of the November meetings or the December meeting. So yeah, we've talked to him about that and I give council an update on what we're doing. Okay. And u that's day the next is the dredging project. Obviously that's underway. Stant's out probably been out
in the water every day for the last couple weeks. I think they Yeah, they've been they're out there doing the surveys and getting the job done, uh getting compiling data. Um we actually we actually sent them some reports for the DMMA site that the fire department hadn't done. So the uh the
cost from Stantech will drop a little bit because it's studies that they don't have to do because I the fire department literally just did the studies uh on the um on the soil content and everything at the DMMA site because they were considering it a a project site for the new firehouse. So I forwarded that
information to Stantech and they won't have to do that. So that's one less thing that they have to worry about. Okay. So and they're still continuing. Did you say we have results of that test? Yes. There is I mean I don't I trying to remember off the top of my head there is
high arsenic um content in some of the spoil sites. So and some spoil testing that they did. So more or less they have to they're going to have to come out. Okay. is the Weber Lane canal on the dredge project. It's already been done in dredge.
Well, so we thought that I was on my little float just two days ago and I noticed that the end of the canal where the fire department would be or the you know where the dredge lot is is full of
junk. It's full of mud way out to the very end. They didn't get to the very end. The very end house is and a little bit, but then it that's where it stops. But there's a lot it's it changed a lot in the last year from last year to this
changed a lot. Well, did last week was that finger on the the map for them to stand to do that? No, it was not because it been drenched. And then I saw that added on later, but I don't know if it was removed or not. So, it's just something to check into
because there it's way different than it was last year. I'm wondering if because I don't know if they can get it a machine in there with the trees and everything. I I mean, I was ducking with a with a kayak. The trees are really thick in there. But well, we're we're obviously some time
away from actually putting the dredgers in the water, but I see this the study. I can't remember if it was on there or not. It's just something to check into and if there's there's any beans that it back in the canal has changed a lot in one year, but they can clean that out with a big backup.
Yeah. Yeah. It's I mean, you're right. It's easy access. Yeah. And I don't again I don't know if we had the crass study and all that done in there since it since I don't like I said it was dredged before. Yeah. some recent history included in this scope of work. I'd have to reach out to them and see it wasn't, but it would I don't think it was
because it was already done. So, when you added that area, um then I saw that they had highlighted all of Weber Lane and I thought to mention it, but then I thought, well, maybe because future plans it was highlighted. So, when you added the the specific area,
you added I had Grant Boulevard down to the Yeah, just down Grand Boulevard. So, I did notice that it highlighted that. Canal. Let me verify that real quick because it was that was a special meeting was the last one we had. Um, you remember the date of that
special meeting? It was last was in August, wasn't it? I'll tell you. It was in July 29th. Was it back to July? Um, let's see. I got
these in order. 20th. That's the one. August 20th. That's right. For the July 29th pull that one. Uh yes, this is the one. Let me just look here. Thank you, Dave. Sir, then there was a special meeting on July 30. Yeah, that's the one that had the the
the complete maps. Um and that I believe that's all in there. Yes, it's all in there. But it did look like it was. Yeah. Let me I'd be happy to share just to show you. That's going to be tricky. Um actually my co-host
I'm sorry. My co-host or can you make me co-host? You are a co-host. All right. Thank you. Okay. So, we can look at uh what tree growth we get rid of. Far right bottom
and cut it out. Yeah. A lot of that is um Brazilian pepper trees. Yeah. So if you look so this is this is the scope of work for Stantech and Weber Lane. All that behind the dre is in scope. Yep. I thought so. Okay. So they're looking at it perfect in the
scope. Good. I was thinking it was cuz Bob wanted it extended on. Well that was down Grand Boulevard. They didn't have it going down there. And it's that it's all in there now. Good news is we got it. [Music]
Tragedy averted, right? Room chairs. So, I'm assuming we we keep it here. There is the ability to address some dredging in CRA. There's there's some things around that when
based on drainage and other things, but there is opportunity there. But so I think overall we probably leave it here now and then if as we move forward we may be able to tap into some of that to help actually do some of that project. But that's going to that's going to be
worst case three years um for total you know for them for them to gather the permits and lock in the permits before we start doing actually pulling mud out of the ground. That's worse that that's the furthest out that he was concerned with Army Corp. But um we'll probably have it before then. But we can decide
at that time where we going to start pulling money have those conversations sooner than later to continue this, you know, make sure this project continues is to decide where the money is going to come from as far as you know getting boots on the ground. Yeah. So
So good to leave here. I would leave it there. Well, yeah, this project was taken out of the general fund. So correct for for Stantex work. So I would leave that here. Yeah. Okay. And the last one is council room chairs. And I believe that's about to be I was told Friday. So they should be
here this Friday. We got one. Nobody sitting. I don't understand what that comfy chair right there. Nobody wants it. We probably put it in the middle so people actually sitting after the rest. You could have given us
your input after a full meeting there. Yeah, we would have we would have known how your butt felt after that. But the rest of them should be here. I was told Friday the delivery should be Friday. So I guess we'll probably leave this on here for one more meeting and then we should thank you for that. So you're welcome.
So that that concludes old business. Is there any other old business? No want to go over. Okay. Well, I was I was going to suggest since we're kind of pushing our time limit go ahead next meeting we go over this we can prioritize the objects that fine. Okay.
Perfect. Okay. Next up is comments from Mayor City Council. Uh let's see. I'll start with Council Hub. Uh there's a couple things I want to discuss. Um
[Music] kind of passionate about this, but it's really important. Um one is the need to have a hotel in the city. Um, if you want to get put on the
map and you want to show people you're open for business, you really kind of need a hotel. Um, not only does it bring a earn a lot of revenue, but it obviously brings traffic and it creates jobs, but the revenue is you get 6%
shared tax on all the sales of the rooms or anything else that that comes with that, dinners or whatever else goes in there. But you can also charge Pasco County right here have Pasco County 4% [Music] on any rooms that is rented out. So if
you got a $200 room, you're going to get, you know, eight bucks, I guess, whatever it is. So you get 4%, you get all that money. The city gets all of it. So like 150 room hotel. Uh between the
taxes on the rent, the sales tax and property tax, you get around $400, $500,000 a year from that. So it's imperative if you want to increase revenue. That's one good way of doing it for the grounded coverage that earns more revenue than anything else
you can build on property per square foot. The biggest part of that also is you will put literally Port Richie on the map because Pasco County tourism will promote the city. Not that they won't.
They really like the idea of the observation deck on Brad Park. I was talking to them and they want to put a picture on in their book. That may not seem like a big deal, but it goes around the world, right, Adam? That gets promoted. Pasco County promotes around the world. So poor Richie would get
promoted around the world and that would be like an icon for people to see the still house and they could actually visit a replica. People want to visit just to see that sometimes. But it also you're going to get a company in here that wants to promote a
destination. A big dollar hotel resort will promote promote that destination and we'll work with the city to bring traffic in. And the co-op dollars that are available from the county and the state to do that is is is incredible. It's not something
we could afford to do by ourselves, but it also show everybody we're in business and it'll create interest for other businesses to come into the city. But to do that, you're really kind of we have to have our act together.
Right now the opportunity is Windham and Hot Hilton are looking to build resorts somewhere in western Pasco County corridor and Pasco tourism like this is ideal if we have property available and we can
show them that we are committed to help do something with traffic, help them generate traffic and uh work with them to create a good destination. Excited. They were excited about the
docks, the splash pad, especially about the um the observation deck. They like about doing stuff with the pole barn on the river. The ideas that we're coming up with, they like to the roads need to be clean and sidewalks.
I've got ideas for that. Uh if we present this is what we're working on now. This is we're going to have these done next year and that we want to put sidewalks and curbs and make like Treadway and uh all the way around to River Golf a two-lane road with
sidewalks and curbs with lamps like Hide Park or like Sims Park around that corridor. It's going to spruce that up. It's going to look clean. It needs to be cleaned up. um it could be a good possibility that they may be interested in putting a resort in the city and that would be
incredible if we could get them to do that. So, um I can have them set up a meeting with Andy and somebody uh sometime Tuesday, Windham and Hilton and they could come and look and see
what properties are available. They could show see what they might want to do and see if there's something we can provide for them. make it available for them somehow. Um, but you can generate three times the revenue as you would like condos or anything else you build.
So, um, I got I got facts here. You got, uh, Cape Coral last year, oh, physical 2023, $42.7 million was generated just through hotels. How much? Um
remain economic uh engine in their community uh taxes and billions. Uh 2025 55.46 billion dollars were generated. That's just in hotel rooms. Um
what you suggested we bring them in to a council meeting or uh what you don't have to bring a council meeting. I mean, basically have them first look at the city, look at our area, see if there's something they'd be interested in doing. So, just invite them to kind of
it'd be something set up with Andy. Bachelor of Tourism set up something with Andy where it's convenient for him and you or Chris or or me or somebody go with them or you know just to show them around the city and explain the ideas what we're working on doing like
amphitheater splash pads all these things that we're we're working on doing and something that would be very fruitful for us and improve the property and welcome businesses down there is a parking garage. you know, I mean, you're looking four or five years, but if we
start the engineering process and we know where we want to put it, that would be important to put that down there because you're going to improve the value of all the waterfront if you provide parking. Um, if someone wants to buy piece of property there right now and they want to put a club in, I don't
care a comedy club or any kind of club, they're going to code Veronica and Veronica's going to how many how many seats does it sit? They say they well seats 100. All right. Well, you need to provide parking for 60 cars, for example. Well, now the seats 40, you
know, now it's not worth as much money, but there's parking next to it and it's it's on a nice curb and you don't have to they don't have to turn parking, that that property obviously is worth a lot more money for someone wanting to put a business in and build something there. So,
this should be thought about this. I've been bringing up now. need to think about this and I've got a lot of ideas. I really want to hear what everybody else here has to think about doing down there. So, we have our act together. If they come in and look, it would mean a lot to the
city because it would put us on a map. It shows we're in business and business will come once they see that, you know, we're doing something up here. You're gonna have businesses wanting to come in here and they're going to want to invest uh into the city and it'll make things happen a lot faster.
So, so next step, if you want to bring this, have him reach out to Andy to set up a time command. Um, yeah, I can give Andy Adam's phone number if you want to call him or I have him call you. Sure. And and Adam is director of Pasco County
Tourism. Oh, Pasco County Tourism. And uh he can explain to you the benefits. I mean, it's like I said, it's it's three times the earning of income than anything else you can put on there, not to mention the job creation. uh the traffic flow and promotion of the area.
Well, one thing I would suggest too is reach out to Pasco Economic Development Council. They have a an entity about bringing businesses and different things into into Pasco. That might be a good resource as well. I don't know if they're hooked up with those guys or not, but with who? The Pasco Economic Development Council,
I think it is. Well, they they're not connect I've got the the guys number. They they go to their their round table sometimes. They've been there. I took Adam to a round table last year and they they got Paradise U Marketing which is a
worldwide marketing company and like I said they've got people around the world promoting Pasco County Saddlebrook a lot of people that you know like Wesley Chapel a lot of that growth has come from the sports complex Saddlebrook and other hotels and motel that they've been building out there and
it creates generates enormous amount of revenue and they've just been wanting to So they really want to and the businesses in Pasco really want to promote the west coast of Florida, but we don't have a great history and they've been waiting for us to get our
act together. I'd like to show them that we do because if we can get something like that out here, it makes I mean it turns everything around. It makes life easier for us a lot easier for us. And you talked about raising maybe put a penny per dollar on meals served out there.
that would help too as far as just paying for infrastructure out there. So, there's a lot of things if we could put that together. Uh I'd be happy to talk to Andy about some of the things and then maybe next meeting uh bring agenda that we can discuss maybe more on
on what we can present to them to uh maybe entice them to do something. Well, why don't have Andy reach out to that your contact and I'll also give him the contact for the the other ent. I know we talked about incentives, uh, but if you have something that's
going to generate half a million, possibly between 200 $500,000 a year in revenue, I mean, that's a good incentive to maybe help, um, create some property for them to do something because if you know, Windom and helping them have
problem getting revenue, if they see something potential where they can make money, know they're going to build it and they're not going to ask for a whole lot of help. if we have something we can provide you. So anyway, okay, something to think about next meeting and one thing uh I'd like to also offer to the
citizens in Pasco County, I mean Newport Richie anyway, is a opportunity for them in the next ballot uh to have the option to vote to name a road after Charlie Kirk. Have you looked into that, Nancy?
I've not I did not have time since we spoke this morning. I apologize. Okay. Like we said, I don't there obviously there's no requirement that it start there. We, you know, we we there there's going to be a proof chef to go through. I have to look and see exactly what those hoops are. Um the conversation was
we need another row down and they figure out the road later that kind of stuff. I have some time to to look into there's a lot of that going on and I just thought it'd be fair just to offer if they say no. No, but if they if gives them an opportunity to vote on I don't know how everybody but anyway. Okay,
that was my thought. That it for tonight. Okay. Uh, Councilman Burke. Okay. Vice Mayor, mayor. Um I I did I wanted to comment on the Charlie Kirk
situation and how I feel um the local churches and um houses of worship are dealing with this because there's been a flood of folks that are seeking truth and understanding right now. And um I'm all for a road being
done for Charlie Kirk in our community. I'm all for that. I just, you know, are we doing everything we can do to support the local churches who are answering these questions who are giving people consoling people because that was that's that's big. That's big. That's the biggest thing happened in my lifetime that obviously, you know, as far as the
the people that it's affected and the people I got my phone's blowing up day and night, people ask me all about Jesus, you know. So, I just are we doing everything we can do to support the local churches? I don't know. maybe we just need to think about that and um and reach out to the local churches and ask if there's anything we can do to help
them um to deal with this. And I you know it it appears that it's not going to get less, it's going to be more. You know, we should just think about that. So other than that, I'm glad we got through tonight. Okay. Um I got Christina and me we're
probably going to just breach our nine o'clock if I get a motion to extend the meeting. Um and I'll make a motion to extend the meeting. Okay. Is there a second? Second. Okay. Motion second. Thank.
All in favor 65 saying I opposed. Okay. Motion carries. I just wanted to remind everybody that I want to be leaving October 5th and I won't be back to the 18th. It'll be right after the 14th council meeting. I will be here for that and then I'll zoom
the next two. What was the dates again, Bob? uh October 15th um due November 18th. Okay. So a full month base start October 15th. So it' be two meetings roughly. Okay. Any but you'll be on
Zoom. I'll zoom if you have an emergency meeting or anything. Yeah. Thank you. Councilwoman Sen. I have a few things. Um, this one I discussed with Andrew yesterday or the day before, I believe, and they recommended that I bring it to your
attention. It will eventually go on CRA um on the CRA agenda. And this is our residential grants, CRA residential grants. I'm proposing that we make some changes to that program to put some of that money directly in the hands of
people who um need it more like households that make under $75,000 I would think. Um, also, um, with disabled people, um, my proposal is is that they would
sign an affidavit that just says we don't require that they bring us paychecks or anything like that. It's basically a trust function. We don't require that now. I know. I know. But this this will be I'm not done. Okay.
There's more to it. um we would give the pay there would be no matching grant for them and the money would go directly to to the contractor. That way they don't they don't have to come up with the money. I think a lot of these people in areas that are you know a little lower
income, they don't have the money to put out for these repairs to their homes to be reimbursed later. So we have to find a way to compensate for that. And I think doing direct payments would be a great idea. But I also think that we
need to reserve more of the hundred,000 for those homes because those are the homes that more likely need that money versus the higher income housing. Those people are making their repairs anyway. So, if the people that are above 75,000
have a matching 50% grant, um, keep all the the limits the same, the 5,000 or whatever, but they would have a matching grant. Um, so you're advocating to kind of go back to the way the program was kind of before where you had an income test for
a certain level, right? But we're not I'm not say think thinking that they should have to submit anything. More just do it like a trust system with our residents and hopefully they would just be honest and fill out
an affidavit that they are under the 75% over 65 or whatever 62 whatever age we come up with or disabled. That way we can get money into homes that need the money because just sending it to the houses um you know where they have high enough
incomes to pay for things themselves. I think, you know, we need to do more. Obviously, to to put an income test in place, you have to have some way to administer that income test. So, you have to have you can put your honor system. Yeah, you can. I would I you can with an affidavit.
Here's my concern, and I'm not I'm jaded. Everyone lies. That's what that's that's just the way I'm that's what what lawyers feel. That's what we we see it all the time, and many people don't, and I understand that. Um, but my concern would be you are using taxpayer money. You're the steward of taxpayer money. you have to know where it's going and
it's going to the right place. I don't think an affidavit people if they're going to lie, they're going to lie. Um, and I would I would recommend you have pay the contractor directly though. So the I'm not even sure we can do that. That would because we're not we're not in in you're not in privity with that
contractor. I don't know that you can the city can pay that contractor. That would be something I'd have to look into. I think it it needs to go to the person applying for it who's attesting to what you need them to attest to and they would have to pay that. And it was more like that and it changed. to the way it is now. Very limiting for people of lower
incomes or elderly people or disabled people. We have I think we really need to dig deep and find a way to help those people get the CRA money because those are the people that it really serves. I think you could I think you can accomplish what you're trying to accomplish, but I think you you need to
have that they need to be able to show that they are of the age that we're asking them to be or whatever the criteria is. Um, and I I think the the bigger thing from what I'm hearing you say, it wouldn't be that we're re refund. They're you could eliminate maybe them paying and then you paying
them back, but they the money still needs to go to them and they need to pay the contractor if that makes sense. We'd have to put some kind of safeguard in there. Look into that. Yeah. Asking you to put $5,000 up and we'll give it back to you, but I don't have $5,000 to put out. There might be a way
to eliminate that is sitting out there unrepaired. So I think rather than just shutting it down, we probably ought to just do some research on this. This will go into the the CRA agenda for, you know, the next CRA meeting. And that's why we wanted to get the temperature of it. If there's support for the program, modifying the program,
we need to lay on an extra CRA meeting because right now the next one's scheduled for December. So if if you want to add one at 5:30 on the 1st October meeting, which is the 9th, I think. Is that
is that I mean if we have CRA goes it starts at 5:30 going forward right correct CRA CRA meetings will start at 5:30 and then council will follow. When's our next scheduled CRA December is the the meeting you can meet
and you can meet every time you have council meetings. It's just those those quarterly ones that are required. That's probably ways out. We probably ought to do it before then I'm thinking right. The funding starts again in October I believe right? That's correct. Yeah. So the sooner we can do it um I and I have I have zero issue with
opening up discussion CRA about the program and how we can make it better for sure and we need to really explore all avenues getting this done. I think it's just really important if you look at the lower income housing that's the blighted housing
you know it's not it's not these you know really big homes and stuff. Any objections to having a CRA grant discussion? on residential only or commercial as well or just residential? I was just thinking residential right now. Okay.
Um I wanted to thank public public works for their efforts to clean up uh the city dredge lot. They did a great job. They removed all those lighted signs uh the black sign the milled signs. Those
are all gone now. Uh they trimmed all around it. They also straightened up the um sign over at Olner Park and they mowed all the easements on Dedra. All of those were requested um last city council meeting and it all
got done. I drove around and looked good. Um I still think we need to review the nuisance abatement ordinance to see if revisions are needed so the city can clean up chronic nuisances.
um without any hassles because I think that's we're I'm working with the city right now to um start like a little or with staff to start a project of before and after photos where we identify some lighted areas, take some before photos, get them cleaned up, put up after
photos, they hit the city website, they can get shared to all of the other city websites, um the private ones, and then residents can kind of see the cleanup efforts that we're making and before and after, you know, stuff like that. But I think um nuisance if we can really
double check our nuisance abatement ordinance to make sure that if we need to do something, the city needs to do something to correct, you know, some violations, they can get in there and do that. As well as look at the uh the um
ordinance on how we can collect as far as like nonout ballroom assessments on the tax role. So, you know, if we can get those into a, you know, um, status report or something. I was requesting a status
report from our legal for all of our legal activities so that we can see because I kind of need to see myself. I never know, you know, what's going on and what we're waiting on, but for me to plan things for the future, I kind of need to see what's going on. Yeah, we can do that. Um, so if we could add that to a status
report on the nuisance abatement and the nonbound nonorum we talked about you're going to have a resol contract with yes we can do status I can give you guys updates each each um
meeting if you want to want to do that about you know here's the things I'm the ordinances you're waiting on or whatever and let you know where those are and the hierarchy things I'm happy to do that um you might have to add a spot for me on comments If you want me to talk every week, I don't have a spot. I don't need a spot,
but you know, if you want to keep track of that, that might be something to think about, too. Anytime anytime we're on comments, if you have something you want to say, just let me know. I can do that. Um, but the the second one you brought up, the atalorum, um Andy or anyone he's delegated, I'm
not sure if he he himself is doing it, needs to get the contract with Pasco County and then after that, all we need is a resolution. That's just a matter of getting that contract. Unfortunately, we won't be able to do anything till next. It's going to be tax season, but that uh right that'll help a lot. And then the first thing um that was
mentioned the um um the new sense stuff there are provisions in the code that let code forcement move forward without enforcement process. They weren't using it. They are now. We maybe sent out a couple of letters or I'm not sure if he actually sent them,
but I know he has them. We've drafted them. Um it you know it's very specific things you can do it on but we can make that as a discussion item and bring the the bring the ordinance forward so you guys can look code forward so you guys can talk about it. Yeah it looks to me like it needs some
work you know so that we can move some of the things that and we know specifically which things like they they can they can remove and vehicles there's things they can do but if there's things that you want to expand that to we need to see if that things are allowed to that's like what yeah that's what I'm talking about. We need to have a discussion about that because we don't
want it to be so broad that the city can go in and do things that we don't necessarily want them to do but requires a discussion. I'm happy to to discuss that if you guys want. Sure. Any objections? Um, you got a question? I don't I don't have an objection. I
just wanted to kind of clarify um the CRA thing. Um I I looked it up. I I was pretty sure you can't, but you are not allowed to um you are not allowed to use income levels as qualifying factors. Um the only thing the only factor you can use is whether property or project is
inside the CRA boundary and aligns with the CRA plan. CR CRA may not target geog geographic area or or can do geographic areas or locations, but you can't set any type of you have to what you do for one you have to do for another. only the only thing you can put to it is if it if
it does slow or if it uh meets a slum blight condition that's it so you can't do income level based anything when it comes to CRA money income based little targeting of thing income test everybody could say it says if a CRA tries to try to tie grants to individual
or household incomes it could be challenged as being outside statutory authority so it says you can't everybody can get the grants. It's just whether or not they You can't You can't say that a matching grant. Well, you can't say that. You can't say that I got 5,000 because I make under 75. This is what this is saying. And you
get you you have to come up with 5,000 and match it because you make a h 100,000. That's what it's saying. You can't tie anything that we pay out of this based off of your income levels. Well, it's interesting because we that was in our thing before discussion. Thanks for bringing into that and see what exactly that's
pointing out. Several cities do. I I think it's just it's a it's it's it's not a might be an agent. It's accessibility for handicap helping people that may not have access to do that. Maybe making it easier for them to get nothing to do with
I think that's something that Darren can maybe I can look into and make sure that we are all on the right page because we definitely don't do anything. Go check it out when we have it on the CR agent. We talked about our attorney can look into it as well. Right. Um, another thing was, can we
schedule an independent property appraisal for the property, the bait shop properties? Uh, because I understand that that's slowing down because the valuations are coming in low. But can we get some private appraisals on this? We need actually two appraisals. Yes,
ma'am. Right. Can we do that? Yeah. Once once the lawyer clears their checklist and make sure there's no conflict of interest, then we can start negotiating and order. Okay. So, so it's still moving forward.
It's not like Gotcha. I think that was basically it. Oh, and um could I mention to CAC about the painting of the Olsener sign while they have the paints next month because they're going to have all of that paint
for the desperately in need of park sign. Yeah, it's like a wood sign and it's just really sunbeat and everything. Can we give that to the CAC if they're willing to take it on? So, is that what you know the park sign at at why
the paint stuff's over there for a mural? Can they paint this the sign? I don't see why not. Um we can um we can public works can coordinate with that to make sure um if there's any prep work that needs to be done. But I you know um have they if they're willing I don't even know if
they're willing. I just wondered if I could present it gone ahead to buy the materials because that that's got to be invoiced. They're getting a lot of it from um uh Sherwin Williams. Sherwin Williams is donating a lot of paint. Yeah. So we may
not not need the money that counts as there will be some money to be spent but Sheron Williams is covering a lot of it I think. So I I think it's it's not moving ahead like they had planned because um Cher Cherokee is leaving and she had done the
design work. So we're kind of stepping back a little bit on that design work. So might be a little bit later than we originally thought. We discussed whether we need to carry over the $2,000 into the next FY. It looks like it at this point. Oh yeah, I think so. Definitely
that was it. Yeah. Okay. Um I have two quick things um on the on GI consultants. Don't see anything on them. I don't this we just heard we just heard from them today. I have been following up at an annoying rate um and they finally
responded today and indicated that they have been all hands on deck for some big conference that they are involved with and that they should be getting some scope of work in the next couple days. Okay. because we need to get that before council to see if we can employ those guys. They've given they've given us pretty much everything other paperwork
otherwise just that scope of work. Okay. And and the last thing I have is you know we talked about amphitheater. I've reached out to um uh um the Morgan Group obviously owns the Honda place and as the Ford of Port
Richie and I've had uh Terald Hopkins reach out to I forget the guy's name but one of the Morgans um and and they they're asking you know what what kind of money we would um be asking for to put to that and so obviously before we can actually go out and try to get
funding for something like that from a outside source which I think there would um if we couldn't get it all from them or majority probably crowd fun that um pretty easily with businesses to build something there. Is there any objections to us move forward on getting some kind
of design put together so that we can get a cost that we can actually see and kind of move forward actually planning that so that we can nail down a cost that we can start trying to get money for. I'm all for that as long as we have a scope for the cost so we're not like
checking water, right? I think we we probably would ask for just to we we'd like to build an amphitheater and ask for somebody that could do design and and probably put an RFP out to do that or if we use engineering. Well, are we going to try and incorporate this as part of the park master plan and include that as like a
total design for waterfront park or is this a separate project? I think the design for waterfront parks a little bigger than that. We Well, this Yeah. So, it would be a part of that, right? a piece. But I think in general we ought to be able to get a a ballpark cost of what
amphitheater based on a certain size or whatever what might fit there just to we got something to work with. I mean otherwise behind eightball. I I like the idea that that Chris has had over there. I think and I think talk about maybe if we could have a town hall
over there at Waterfront Park maybe and discuss locations of all this and maybe where we're going to put these things and that way it will help obviously with the cost and when the engineer wants to look at which we want it. Well, I don't think location necessarily. I mean you're going to build it. It's going to
sit here. I mean there may be some question. We have architects that live here who like to do some pre- bon pro bono work on like the filling house and maybe the amphitheater and and maybe have them come over too if they might want to put their input on it and stuff like that.
But I think if we had a town hall hopefully we get some citizens input to u some of the ideas that we want to do over there. I mean there's there's different stages of that, right? There's like the guy that's got the vision. He draws it all up, makes it look all pretty, and then there's another guy that makes it all
make sense. So, I mean, if we're going to do an amphitheater, we're going to get a design on that. When we get a design of what we really want to do down there, you know, something big. So, if we're going to do that, maybe Bob's got the right idea. Maybe go down there, get some public input, get some buy in from the public. So when
we go to get, you know, to to the voting booth, they're like, "Hey, I like those guys and what they're thinking, you know, so maybe we should get some buy in from order in order to ask people for money to help do something. I need something to go off." No, that's I'm all for that. But I I think for us to kind of for us to come
up with that scope of work to give somebody to design it up, we probably need a little bit of public input on that. Sure. I'd like to know what we can do with those mangroves on the west side of that park if we can. It blocks a lot of view. if there's something we can do to cut them out. Some of them aren't 6 foot, some are. So, we can thin a lot of them
out and we can cut some down. Yeah. The whole amphitheater just in general. I don't know if did you talk to FCT on on if that's something that we could do? It's not going to be more or less we're going to have to change because we have a we've had a plan sent to them and it's
going to have to be altered. So, like a master plan for that park. So, it's not it's not going to be a problem of not doing it. it's going to be an issue. We have to submit that to them as part of a plan and they approve that plan. So, can we agree to start some kind of a
public meeting there to get input from the community? Is that hard to put together? Yep. I think so. I agree. Do you think it's hard to put together? You think that? Would you put that together for us?
Like a like a town hall at Waterfront Park. You can do something like that anywhere just noticed and everyone has to be welcome like the one issue you had there was somewhere that not everyone was welcome to come open the gates and they come in their dogs wide open right so the CAC is designed to gather that so why don't if if that's the route we take
why don't we go back to CAC when's the next meeting for CAC next month coming up soon so if we can maybe see what their input is how they can engage citizens and whether we set up a town hall or whatever set a poll on Facebook or whatever to try to get some feedback
poll on Facebook. It's like too maybe it's a formal survey that we sent out. Put it out there, but it don't get poll. So, you're saying no um town hall with the No, no, no. I said I said CC let CC figure out what the best way is to engage the residents to to get that
feedback if it is a town hall town hall. Okay. Just get our feet dirty. You know what I mean? I want there put our feet in the dirt, look around and we can definitely do that. So, what what have CAC kind of spearhead that? That's a great
So if you could take that back CAC and you got a hand up in the audience Mr. Mayor. Yeah. So there's no public comment during now. So save for next meeting with the general public comment at the beginning.
I apologize. Oh yeah. Um then with that thank you. Oh, sounds sorry. I did have I apologize. I know it's late, but I did have one more item that I wanted to discuss. Oh. Um, we we had a meeting with um to these
are these are the branding um branding and wifing. Is it okay to pull your motion? It's it's not aable thing. Yeah. Thank you. Okay. Go ahead. So, um, Councilwoman Sullivan, myself,
the city manager, um, our CRA, um, resiliency coordinator, Derek Smith and and Veronica Hansen, we all sat down and went through these went through these concepts, uh, that were provided from us by KMA. Um, we are having uh, bi-weekly
meetings with KMA. Uh, this is a CRA project, so I don't want to dive into it too much. This really isn't much of a voting type of item. Um we're basically as per uh as per vice mayor mayor we wanted to provide all the concepts. Um
but as a as a design committee um we went forward with numbers 1 3 7 and 10 as our short list. One 3 7 and 10. Yes.
As our short list. And we're going to ask for some modifications. those notes are noted on each of the on each of these designs. But once again, after even after that's provided, um they're going to go to survey, public input, and whatnot to to
come even further. So, we believe that these will also be changed going going down further down the line. Okay. And these these logos, this is not city logo. This is just for like signs. This would be our branding concept for um
everything from stationary to um the the sides you know sides of vehicles um uh you know is it replacing the city level we have now? Yes the city logo though this would be on any sign work and everything going forward. Okay.
Did did anybody get my email today? Yes. Um, so I feel like this is a very important thing because it's going to replace our logo. And I got home and I got to looking at those and I thought just not digging these. I mean, they're so not what I expected to be looking at.
So, you know me. I started playing around and uh if I could share my screen, I just came up with some AI concepts. They are AI. You can have anything you want from AI. could be nothing to do with any of these, but I just wanted to show you the difference
and and have us to continue to explore logos before we sign up for anything. So, I mean, I'm happy to see that, but it might be better to have an agenda item where we talk about it. It really should be discussed during CR. Yes. I mean, there's a a huge difference in
what you're seeing here versus what we could have. Sure. And I do want to discuss that, but you know, we we had a timeline with KMA to, you know, like I said, but if we're going to continue this at a CRA meeting, then I'm going to have to break that timeline, push this off, and we're not, you know, this is this is going to take
a while now to to discuss because now we're going to be going through these concepts. what you sent was and when you think of a branding and type of you know branding and wayfinding you have to you look you know you look at like concepts like Dell like
McDonald's like Disney they're very simple and basic but you remember them because you know exactly what they are the more complex that you make a logo or a thing you're not going to see it you're not going to remember it those pictures that you sent as beautiful as they were the thing is is
that they're they're they would be great for, you know, a t-shirt, a moment, something like that. And I have no clue. You're talking about something that's going to last the test. I was just playing. I don't know. You want to consider something like that's going to be the test of time. Coca-Cola, for instance, the way that font is written is unique to them.
That's and it's a very simple design. These concepts were were were made that way. So when you're driving down the road at 45 miles an hour, you see that sign and it pops out to you. the words poor Richie, the sunset, the still tone.
We want to look at them as a basic concept in a basic design for for so many different aspects for just like I said, for people to see them, for people to remember them, um for a maintenance standpoint, you want to think about, you know, if the sign becomes damaged,
replacing and repairing that sign, things like that moving forward. Um, if we want to look more into this, I'll talk to the I'll talk to KMA about coming here and explaining more about what branding and wayfinding is. I'm sure they are going to come and present, aren't they? Well, yeah, once we have the short list
that that was going forward, but the thing is is that what they What are your thoughts on those? I'm good. I'm good with these. Do you like them? Yeah. Well, because what he's saying is is correct. If you get if you notice most things are very that are very
popular are one word Amazon Walmart I mean they're all short but it's the way it's looks is exactly what pops out about them they can make these and and get the right font and get a graphic behind it.
I I don't like welcome to the shore and more. Sounds like the reality of it is it sounds like we're gonna want several taglines that we It sounds like we live in Chesapeake or something. The reality of it is regardless of what they come up with, we still get to look at it and make a decision. And I'm not
seeing anything in here that I'm like, "Oh my gosh, that's it. I'm not seeing anything." No, but they can be tweaked. They want to be tweaked. They have to be tweaked. One thing to keep in mind is there's no rush to No, that's a big deal. Yeah, it's a big deal. 100 years,
you know. So, I love the fact you're coming out of your, you know, and doing stuff to make it show different stuff. I have no idea what I'm doing, but I'm saying you can you can if you could send your stuff to Ashley so she can send it to council so we can see it. I I don't want to take time now. It's not what it's supposed to be.
I'd still like to see it. I mean, it's not going to hurt to show. Okay. Okay. So, if you could simply debate out to everybody and then I guess we'll have this on the next CRA meeting. I I I suggest putting this on the next CRA meeting and I'll I'll inform KMA that we're going to have to push this
off, you know, push the timeline off just so we can I I and I do want I do want the board and council to really look at these and and understand the direction we're going. It is it is something that we're going to be investing in, you know, especially in the sign work and signs throughout the city. But I also want I want I want
everyone to understand is that when you do branding and wayfinding, you want to remember that you want to think of something that's going to to signify poor Richie, but not be too complex and too too much that you're you're not going to be able to absorb it all. You want something catchy. You want
something that's going to stand out. So, and for the when I look at these and I see the sign work that's being done, you know, the threedimensional layers and and the metal framing that would go into it, you know, that's where you want to think about is that you want to put all that into aspects before. And like I
said, the pictures that she has are very good. I mean, they they probably would be great for um uh a flyer concept or some of our events and used towards towards that, but they're as far as like making it into a sign, it's going to it would cost it would cost a significant
amount of money to incorporate all the different colors, you know, which which AI produced a lot. Like I said, you'll see the pictures and they're all beautiful. But the thing is is that when we think of branding and wayfinding, you want something that's you know in in a basic in a basic form
but pops to you just like just like all your your major companies do. The word Ford is just four letters but look at the way it's written. You'll never forget it. You know exactly what it looks like when you see it. Yeah. I travel around a lot like I said before and I see a lot of the monument
signs what they what they are doing now. A lot of I'm sure they'll tell you is sign a lot of signs are eye level. Like we were in Orlando and we wanted to go to the pet store, get some for the kiddies and she wanted to go to the Petco. So we knew where it was. We pull out and their signs every block they are
all identical. It looked like brass and we could see Petco straight up. Petco straight up. Then you can see the next block. Petco with an arrow. You look Oh, there it is. It's very informative. And it all says at the bottom is west side. But the west side of Orlando and that's
it. West side. So you know where you're at. You know what you're looking for. Everything's easy. But it's very professional, very clean, very neat, eye level monument type signs. There's no colors. It's just clean, right? And very Yeah. So it could be like like
you could have on the landings. You could have landings on all the signs. Then the rest could just say poor Richie or East Side or whatever just so they know where they're at and simple informative stuff with arrows. Well, let's let's have them have conversation later about that.
Okay, if I get motion motion second motion second. All in favor say by saying I. I