Council meeting Tuesday, June 24th, Father, we just come to you in the precious name of Jesus for the stuff that's on the agenda tonight for the second reading of ordinance. We thank you that you'll guide us through that
and that we could get things done. And we do thank you for uh the requirement of Pasco County Port Richie Code ordinance and everything that we're going to be doing, approval of uh maintaining things on 19 and redevelopment, development, and all the
things that you have us do. I just thank you for this night and for the safety of coming together and being able to counsel and plan for events coming up. I thank you for that as well. I know we got a holiday that's going to be coming up called the Fourth of July. So, I want
to thank you for the men and women that served in our military and law enforcement, first responders, and thank you for their service and what they've done and doing and will continue to do as we pray and give thanks to the pledge of allegiance and God we trust in Jesus
name. Amen. To the flag of the United States of America and to the stand, indivisible, liberty and justice for all. Madam cler role, please. Mayor John Eric
Hoover here. Vice Mayor Chris Mayer here. Councilman David Mueller here. Councilman Robert Huard here. Councilwoman Lisa Burke here. City Attorney Tom Tras here. City Manager
Andrew Butterfield. Let the record show that our city manager is absent from tonight's meeting. And just for the record, our normal city attorney Nancy Meyer is also absent from today's meeting. Thank you. Okay. First up, we got seven
minutes from April 22nd. We do have a item concern in there. There was one of the uh let's see item number four. It didn't have the vote tally on there for fire station feasibility study. The motion was made by uh council Burke and
seconded by council hover but there's no vote in there. So it was unanimous vote if I remember correctly. So that was the only thing I saw. So motion to approve with the changes that the mayor has reflected
to reflect the vote on item number four. Okay. Is there a second? Second. Okay. Motion second. Any further discussion? All in favor say by saying I I opposed. Motion carries. Okay. Next up is comments from the general public. I
have one signed up. Danny Fields. Welcome. Danny Fields 8114 Leo Kid. Again, I just want to thank you guys for your leadership and your servitude. Uh you're really appreciated by the your brothers and and friends and
co-workers and the community and the businesses and the faith-based church. So, you know, I I did that stuff with uh somebody cares and the church is working with other mayors and we was at uh Coachman Park. That went good. And
then also the conferences and stuff that's coming up with that mayors getting together, talking about the cities, learning from one another and and just growing together and dealing with the little things and things that they have experience in with each other. So, that's a great thing that's going
on. But really what I signed up here to speak on is the free school backpack supply giveaway from kindergarten to 12th grade is coming up and we got that for uh
July the 26th at Waterfront Park. So we pulled the permit and got that ready to go. I am glad that the fire department, the police, and the city will be a part of that like you have been. We promote that and give probably uh anywhere from about 400 back to school backpacks
giveaway from the faith-based church and the government business around the poor into our schools. And that's a chance like we always do that the police and the fire department and and the city people come together and we promote that
to be able to pour into our communities, our business. And it's a day of of fun and games and celebration, too. and it it represents a lot of good things and that's why somebody cares does this. So, uh
at for those online that would be at 8119 OST Road, Port Richie at Waterfront Park. Uh they are a number here that you could reserve a backpack starting on July the 1st. We will take uh that
through these numbers. You could call 7279923611 or 727 8/19881 and reserve a free backpack and then come out and pick it up. an event will be uh
from uh 8 to 2 and backpacks will be split up because the crowd coming through 10:00 pickup 11:00 and noon and then we'll release there'll be food fun and games and a time to celebrate. So just thank you. Hope to see you there and uh we could continue to work
together. Blessings. Yeah. Thanks Danny. Anyone else? That's all I had signed up. Anyone from breakback? Uh, next up is comments from the city manager. City manager out, but uh, S's acting. Did you have any comments, S? Um, I got a few points that
I can bring to council's uh, um, bring to council tonight. Um, we are currently working with the community for FD clean water state revolving fund program grant. Um, we are seeking about $83
million in infrastructure. Um, both our SCADA system and lift station um, rebuilds. Um the Kim and Creed is helping us with that grant. Um we have we'll have more details as we submit for it, but just wanted to bring that to council's attention. Bay Boulevard
paving is complete. Uh Daryl Rose, our public works utility director, he did go out and um I think you went out with him uh today to look over any points of concern to bring to Ajax Paving. um he's already submitted an email to them
pointing out those points and hoping to get those, you know, fixed before we submit payment. Um um on the city manager's uh request, I sent out a couple of uh two letters to two property owners located here on Springer on right here on Springer Drive
in the corner of Springer and Formell. Um, we had discussions with McKim and Creed during our our RORO plant design and there's some vacant properties that are adjacent to the water plant. Um, we're going to contact those property owners and see if we can attain those
properties and, you know, get pricing for them and bring that to council's um, bring that to council later on. Um, that's all I have right now. I stand for any questions or concerns that you may have. Well, you're talking about rebuild the
the lift stations we have on the agenda as far as rehabilitating them. Those are re those are realigning the lift stations to continue, but what we're submitting for is complete rebuilds. This would be basically taking out lift stations from the from the ground up and
you know rebuilding them. Brand new concrete, wet wells, piping, everything. But the realigning I guess you're talking a temporary issue. It needs to be done immediately. Well, because of the the the age of these tonight and the contract that we have, these relines will, you know, pin blast the test of
time, but we have over 45 46 listations total. So, we have plenty of list stations that we can be rebuilding throughout the throughout the system. Thank you. And what was the total, Grant? 85,000. Uh, we're looking for 83 83 million to change and then a million.
83 million. Yes. And then a million were slated for the appropriation if that goes through um for lift stations. Is that in addition to that I guess or this would be addition this is a separate uh this is a se separate funding from FD. Okay. And now we are still we're still
finding out if it's a 50/50 match or whatever. We're just submitting all the projects that we can right now to put in as much as we can. So we're not being we're not on hook for anything. This is just trying to get as much submitted as we can so then they can decide what they actually want to go through our
paperwork, you know, projects and whatnot and decide what they're going to grant to us. Okay. Anything else? Okay. Very long comments from boards and committees. Um obviously I don't think there's been any meetings of note, but
um I did want to go ahead. We we had talked and we actually created the event planning committee and we sent out uh a solicitation to those existing Centennial members to see if they were interested and you should have two emails in front of you. So Janet Applefield and Caroline Gonzalez both
expressed interest in being on a committee. Um so if you guys want to go ahead and action that I'd take a motion to approve both those I'll take a motion to approve Janet Apple. Second. Okay. For Janet and and yes and Caroline second. Okay. Any further discussion?
Any public comment? See not put to vote. All in favor signify by saying I. I. I. Opposed. A motion carries. Okay. So that that will bring that committee to four, myself, those two, and the city manager
or his designate. Um so we'll we'll look at getting something on the calendar to meet and um obviously we still got emails out to the other committee members if they're interested. So how many I forget how many? Nine. Nine. That's right. Do
we need five? It's nine. Yeah. Five. Five. Okay. It was you and your or your designate. Are you going to Yeah, I'll do it starting off. Sure. But it we need we need one more. Yeah. Okay. So, if we could maybe send out another
reminder on that to see if I'm sure somebody else and you know Janet responded. I'm sure Debbie probably wants to as well, but if you just send out another email, see if we can get that going. You also want me to send it out publicly like via website, Facebook? Sure. Absolutely.
Okay. Any other board committees? Okay. Moving on. Consent agenda for motion. I got a question. Sure. I noticed there was uh one item for the first invoice in engineering for the water plant improvements dated 59. Um,
and I noticed that the year to date is also for the same amount. So, is that invoice already been paid or it's been booked and just as accounts payable here or what? It's it's been mailed out. It has not the bank or anything. We did mail it out, but the invoice we held the
invoice because So, we've paid it. So, what do we So, the contract that we have is a reimburseable is a reimburseable grant, right? And we're doing it one invoice at a time. We did submit to FTP for automatic reimbursement. The difference is is that as of right now, we have to
pay the invoice, submit it, you know, to make him agree. Once we get that return check, we submit it to FT and then they they pay us back. The automatic reimbursement when that goes through, unfortunately, FT says it could be up to their first quarter until they approve that portion of it. The automatic is we
wouldn't have to submit, we wouldn't have to pay anything up front at all. we would just say the invoice is for x amount paid. So right now in Kim and Creed um they are they're very patient. They said let's just they have two invoices with us but they're willing to do one at a time so we get reimbursed
and then they'll submit the second one. So the process should take between the time that we put in uh we paid McKim and Creed FT says it takes about four weeks to get that money back. So, right now we're in that kind of reimbursement, but hopefully soon sooner than later we'll
get an automatic reimbursement where it won't even come to council for approval because they'll pay it up front. But my concern was is this is stated 59 almost two months ago. We were we were holding on to it because we were waiting on wait how it was going to get paid. We
weren't sure exactly and and that's fine. That's great cash flow management. Okay. But probably would be important to notify council uh cuz what you said is this check's already gone out the door and we
didn't have any say at all on it. And if that's exceeds the authority, isn't that what this is all about is those expenditures that exceed the authority of the city manager to approve them and send them? Yes. But there there is a
statute that says that if this is passed due. It's passed. We have two pass due bills. So there is a statute out there in the state of Florida that says that if it is passed due and it's requirement, we can pay it. And so we paid this. This it hasn't cashed yet. This is something that's approved through our budget as well. So um we can
we can hold them. It's just that it's just that process just delays it a lot more to get our money back. We could we can stop it if council if council wants to do that tonight. We can stop it. We just we're intended in stopping and I'm interested in in looking at the process.
What's holding things up? Why didn't this go out the week it came in? Because we we were talking to FDP about the automatic reimbursement and we were trying to get that before having to pay the invoice. I didn't want to me and the city manager didn't want to put out any money and that was that was actually
Matt Coppler's plan as well. But unfortunately EP won't have that approved till the first quarter. So unfortunately we I sat with the finance director and said first of all do we have the monies to put this up front in order to pay that which we do I believe have a contingency um out of our
contingency fund to do that but the thing is is that we're we're doing this one invoice at a time um the second one will be brought to you earlier before we even submit that check um but we just we were we were talking with FD ourselves and mre to make sure that we can take
our time to process the invoices there they have absolutely absolutely no problem with being patient. They said that sometimes it takes up to 90 to 180 days until they get back, you know, get an invoice paid. That's their average time when it comes to all their contracts. So, they were understandable
as far as the duration of time. Okay. Thank you. We do have a we do have a second invoice that we pay them all at the same time, but is this something you guys want us to bring to you before we actually have the check out? We did that because bas, you know, it was already approved in the budget that we were gonna My thinking is is if you had it
since 59, why didn't it show up on the first or second one in May? Because we didn't we didn't want to we were we didn't want the city to pay it first. I we were hoping that the automatic reimbursement would take place, but after submitting all the forms, FD told
us in order to get the automatic reimbursement, it's going to take it's going to take several a couple months to do that. So that's what we were waiting on. Good. Okay. Anything else? Is there a motion? Motion to approve consent agenda. I'll second that. Okay. Motion
second. Any further discussion? Any public comment? Seeing put vote. All in favor 65 saying I. I. Chris. I. Okay. Opposed? Motion carries.
Next up is uh we got several public hearings. Uh I'll start with uh item number three, second reading of ordinance number 25-732, repealing ordinance 96-768 and providing for an effective date. I'll pass that to Mr. Trash for his reading. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. This is a reading of ordinance
25-732 and ordinance of the city of Port Richie, Florida, repealing ordinance 96-4168 providing for an effective date. That was the second final reading of ordinance 25-732 by title only and it requires a public hearing. Okay. Will that open the public hearing? Is there
any comment? I don't have any sign up, but anybody public like to speak? Okay, seeing none, we'll close the public hearing. I'll bring back council for a motion or discussion. No, I'd like to make a motion uh to approve the second reading of ordinance 25-732 to repeal ordinance 96-468.
Second. Okay, motion second. Any further discussion? We are going to second. So going to take the vote. All in favor 65 saying I I oppose. Motion carries. Uh, next up, public hearing number four, second reading of ordinance number 25-733,
vacating a portion of the city's rightway on Bridge Street, providing for conditions, and providing for an effective date. I'll pass that to Mr. Tra for his reading. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. This is ordinance 25-733, an ordinance of the city of Fort Richie, Florida, vacating the city's right of way on Ridge Street, providing for
conditions, and providing for an effective date. That was the second final reading of 25-733 by title only and it requires a public hearing as well. Okay, with that I will open the public hearing. I have no signups. Members like to speak none back and close the public hearing
and open up motion council motion or discussion move. Okay. Have a motion to second. Any further discussion? I just want to make sure that the motion was to approve. Yes. Yeah. Chris, do you take the motion to approve? That is correct. Okay. Good.
Thank you. Second. You had a question. I have a comment dependent upon whether we approve this or not. Because if we don't if we don't approve
it, then my question is move. Okay. Let me put the vote. All in favor say five saying I. I. I. Okay. Opposed? Motion carries. Your comment? Not my comment. Um, since we were approving to remove
this land from our tax role for the city of Port Richie, we need to ensure that Pasco County is aware that it's moving to a taxable entity and we need to ensure that that's picked up on the tax rules. So, I want
to I want a followup for the next meeting that we've notified Pasco County that this property is no longer within the city exempt and now is moving to a new owner u taxable owner.
So, my suggestion is that you make a certified copy of the ordinance once it's adopted and then provide it to the tax collector, the property appraiser saying that this property has been vacated and then uh It's my understanding that the person uh the applicant is on both sides of the road
right away and so we've just notified them that this is the new owner. You said we weren't paying taxif and ask for an acknowledgement of receipt Michael you're right though got that sound. Okay. Anything else?
Okay. Moving right along. Item number five, second reading of orders number 25-734, amending chapter 36, article 5, section 36-162 and section 36-163 of the Port Richie code of orders to modify the roadways upon which golf carts can operate within the city and removing repetitive subsections
providing for severability, providing conication and providing for an effective date. I'll pass that to Mr. Trash for his reading. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. This is ordinance number 25-734, an ordinance of the city of Port Richie, Florida, amending chapter 36, article 5,
section 36-162 and 36-163 of the Port Richie code of ordinances to modify the roadways on which golf carts can operate within the city and removing repetitive subsections, providing for severability, providing for
codification, and providing for an effective date. Again, that's a second final reading of ordinance 25734 by title only and it requires public. So that I will open the public hearing. I have no signs. Is there any one public like to speak? See, I now close the
public hearing and bring it back council for a motion or discussion. And I do have some brief discussion on that five. So, one of the questions that I had on here is we we removed a lot of the
redundancy that Florida statute covers. Um, but we didn't talk about the the speed of the vehicles and I I know it's in the ordinance that still states that uh uh in section one and that are not capable of exceeding speeds 20 miles per
hour. Uh my question is do we need to specify that because that's governed by Florida statute and the reason I asked that is it's let's say that they go and they change that to 25 miles an hour then we got to go and redo this code. So I don't know if it's something that we need to restate
um or not. It's also down in item E says golf carts should not be operated in speed excessive 20 miles per hour on city street county road and also says or state highway which you can't even operate on state highway there. So the there you can either um
adopt the changes to reflect that it's going to be consistent with the state statute or you're going to do it pursuant to your code as currently written. If you want to make that change, that's a substantive change and we'd have to come back and read the ordinance a third time. Okay. So it
would be a substance on that. So yeah, with that I don't I don't think that's going to change. It's probably okay. Leave it in there. We can I just like I said I know we were taking some of that out that duplicate of language. Um is there anything else on
that? And that was all comments I had. So motion to approve the second reading of ordinance number 25734. I'll second that. Motion second. Any further discussion? Okay. All in favor 65 is saying I
I opposed. Motion carries. Okay. And last public hearing item number six, second reading of orders number 25-735 amending chapter 24 article 4 section 24-180 of the port rich code of a change of residency requirement to Pasco County providing for severability providing complication
providing respect to date. I'll pass it to Mr. Tras. Thank you Mr. Mayor. This is our um second and final reading of ordinance 25-735, an ordinance of the city of Port Richie, Florida, amending chapter 24, article 4, section 24-180 and section 24-181 of the
Port Richie code of ordinances to change the residency requirement of Pasco County and address selection of the chairperson and vice chairperson providing for severability providing for codification and providing for an effective date. Second final reading of
ordinance 25-35 by title only. I'm sorry 25-735 by title only. It requests public hearing. Yeah. And this is uh for the historical preservation commission. That's what this applies to. So with that u I will open the public hearing
and we're out of public. So bring it back. Motion to approve the second reading of ordinance 25735. I'll second. Okay. Motion second. Any further discussion? All in favor signify by saying I. I I I. Okay. Opposed.
Motion carries. And that's our final public hearing. Next do we have council business item number seven, purchase request to epoxy line, the Green Street, and San Pebble list stations. I'll pass that to Mr. Carrie for his introduction. I'm assuming you're going to introduce that, right? Yes, I I'll go ahead and do
that. um as a continuing effort to you know reline and um basically uh protect our lift stations from II and Trillian uh we're requesting the purchase to reline the Green Street lift
station and uh Brent Street in San Pebble lift station. Uh the stations will be epoxy coated to address the issues of falling walls, holes and storm water infiltration. Um, Restoration and Protective Solutions will be performing this work for the lift stations. Um, and the city will be piggybacking the
contract from the city of Cape Coral. Um, to make this purchase, I have spoken with the city attorney um, and I included the RFP and original information for the city of Cape Coral contract. This is a contract that we've utilized for the several other lift
station realignings that we've done. Um, and what we're going to do is we're going to reach out to Restoration and Protective Services. So, uh, to formulate a contract for the city of Port Mitchi. That way, we don't have to go forward and go through this process. Um, we're going to go ahead and use the
same guidelines as the city of Cape Coral contract. So, they uh, restoration services is okay with that to move forward. And, um, we're looking for a motion to approve the these list station improvements in in the amount of $52,88.
Okay. Just so otherwise I live on Green Street so I just ask Mr. Trey ask it's okay if I vote on this. Absolutely. Okay. Thanks. Motion or discussion. Motion to approve of boxing. I have some
discussion lining on. Okay. Give me a second. Chris, I got a motion. Dave, is there a second? Second. Okay. I got a motion. Second. Go ahead, Chris. Your discussion. Yeah. I'm just I'm all for making sure that our list stations are going to hold up and I like the idea of the policy and stuff. It is that going
to be something that's we're going to do and then they're going to rip those things out and put in new tanks. How long is it going to take for us to get this other money we're asking for? That's uncertain as of right now. This is like the money that we're make for this is the preliminary ask. Um I have
to find out for from the Kim and Creed and FD how long that can take. I was told that it could be a lengthy process. Um could be a few years, but um like I stated to council before, we have uh several, you know, we have over 45 lift stations that we can we can consider. We
submitted for all of them across the board. That's why the ask prices is is quite a bit. Um but this these these two lift stations have immediate concerns, especially with the rainfall season that we're in now, and we want to address this as soon as possible. These monies
that we have were budgeted as operational expenditures for this year. So, um, these are the these are the next two list stations that I've conferred with Darl to move forward on. Okay, that's all I needed. Thank you, sir. I need Thank you. Yeah. And actually, this
these lines, even whatever we do at lift stations, they would still be utilized, right? We wouldn't rip those out. I mean, they would be the last on the list. We would start with all the other ones that we have not relined. We've only relined a very few amount I believe uh it's off top of my head I believe
fiber this would be this would be like six number five and six if I'm correct so we've um but the the asking for the grant and I'll get more particulars after we submit we we have a we have a June 30th deadline to get this out to FT
so we're trying on McKim McCree is being very helpful to write the scopes and this is also covering our entire entire a new a new SCADA system for the lift station network and the water plant. So, um that's that's where the other monies
are going towards. So, um we just want to get we want to get the ask in as soon as possible and like I said, as we move forward with the particulars and if if approved, we'll be bringing we'll be bringing options to council. Is there um Daryl might be
willing to answer this one? Is it down downtime on that for anything is when you realign those? Is it uh just people know we put them on by pass so we have so seamless to the people. Okay. It won't interrupt anything. Okay. It's all completely redone. So and in
the condition of these are these the worst of the entire batch and that's why they're being focused on Yeah. So this one has broken base 90s as well. So those are getting replaced as well. Okay. They're the ones that are in the most need as well. So the area he is you're you're trying to repair the ones
Yeah. the worst ones first. Mhm. Good. Trying to get the mayor's wa waste out of green street as quick as possible. We don't call it waste where I come from. Okay. Any further discussion? Okay. All in favor say by saying I. I. I. I. Opposed. The motion carries. Okay. Next
up, item number eight, approval of the district 7 highway US19 landscape reimbursement and maintenance memorandum agreement with FDOT for 450 million. I'll pass that to Mr. Dary for deduction. 450,000. Oh. 4,000 450 million big difference
some serious landscaping landscaping. Uh this is the third time the city has submitted uh for this um for these monies by FDOT. Um obviously we have done the center medians um uh twice uh twice now and this is the third time
that we're asking uh for monies to either. The thing is is that we have not uh this will be including submitting a plan. Um we could either decide to do the center medians or we can do the outside rightways. So right now this is what this is the initial ask to submit
and to go forward with a u I'm sorry a MOA with FDOT. Uh that way we can start formulating what we're actually going to go forward with design uh with the project. So, okay. I didn't know something on on the
exchange back and forth with with Matt and the uh FOT on page 319 of the packet is the response back from FDOT saying we're approved. They made a note that please note that the
HLR MOA limits design fees to 10% of project installation total. Um so we had requested 450 and in his letter on the page before that he estimates the 50,000 for the uh um the design which is
outside that parameter. So I don't know what what that means if anything but they'll they'll only reimburse us 10%. If it ends up being a little bit more we'd have to get different funds to supply that. So basically his estimate at so if we did spend 50,000 we wouldn't be getting reimbured 50,000 based on
that. We get 45,000. 10. They will only give us $45,000. So, we had 5,000 bar money. Okay. Just make a note of that. So, did we ask them to knock it down to 45? Well, whoever we approach to, we'll we'll explain that scope that we only
have x amount of dollars to spend. And when they say of the project installation total, would you include the design in that or would so would you just be doing basically 400,000 as the investment? So, we'd only be able to vote for 40. I'm assuming that's probably the way it
would read, but I don't know. The 450 is the total amount that we're going to receive. So, that's going to include the design and the construction part of it. Yeah, we hopefully we'll be able to stay within that. So, okay. Is there a motion?
Motion to approve and sign the district 7 highway US19 landscape reimbursement maintenance memorandum of agreement MOA with FDOT. Okay. Is there a second? Okay. Motion a second. Any further discussion? Any public comment? We have one public
returned. Okay. He declines. Bring it back for council vote. All in favor signify by saying I. I. I. Opposed. Motion carries. That concludes council business. Next up is old business. Is there any old business for discussion? Uh couple
things. Uh one one Andy's not here. I want to talk to him about the the st was very familiar with the company that performed the fireworks for a centennial event. I was hoping we could contact them and get
them on the schedule for next 4th of July next year. They get an earlier start start. There's a better chance of getting them contracted, I believe. and the possibility of maybe a long-term contract for the next three to five years, possibly like a $20,000 minimum
uh budget. I can reach out to them and explain those parameters and see what they would be willing to do. Um per the amount, I'm going have to get other quotes for that. Um since we're on that topic, do we want to lock in a date so I can tell them
because I want to tell them this is the date that we're going to do it. Yeah. Yeah. Do we you want to take a look that calendar now? Look at the calendar. Um so if we go out to July 26, it's on this it's on Saturday. Fourth is on Saturday.
So could do How about the third because we got a lot of stuff going on Saturday. Think we'd be safe doing that? Um just to inform council that will be an um that will be a city holiday um and
also reflected by Pasco County and everyone else because the fourth is on a Saturday. So that will be a so it goes to the Friday instead of the Monday. Right. Right. If it next next year will go it will go on the Monday. Um but this year because it's on a Saturday the city
hall will be closed on Friday. I I actually think it' be kind of nice to actually have it on the 4th if we can do it. if we can do that. But I mean I'm thinking new poor Richie probably have theirs probably on the fourth and as well as other est other other places municipalities and people be doing different things.
But I mean I agree with you. I would rather have it on the fourth but it might intercept a lot of their other activities is all got get more participation was on Friday. Well in any in any and it's up to them if they're available too
in any of these that are done at night. Isn't people going to be on on overtime anyway? Like on a regular on a regular weekend if you had it, you're going to be on overtime or Well, yeah. It would just I mean it would be over time throughout
the day as opposed to like on some on some days that we've done it on weekdays it's you know they've had regular time and then that evening would be overtime where this would be overtime straight throughout the whole day. then I'd have to I'd have to we'd have to coordinate with the police and fire on their
availability um or that holiday weekend as well. Um and I'm sure that they would both have you know issues or other you know things going on for that weekend. And I don't, like I said, I you know, for I can't speak for either one of
those departments, but definitely would have to talk to them to see how a holiday weekend would be managed and how much more staff we would have to accommodate to cover just the regular shift about what's going on and then also the event itself. So, just bringing that up as a possibility. Well, you want to discuss
it with everybody and we'll we'll weigh it out and maybe next meeting, put a date. and also reach out to New Paritch and see if they've locked in a date and then we'll then we can establish a date if you find out more information from these guys. Have you guys locked in a date for next year? 28th. Oh, it's
always a Saturday before the fourth. Okay, so there you go. So there so the fourth is open. There is probably um uh a price uh to think about on the fourth that they have. They probably charge a premium on that. So that's probably
going to be Yes. I definitely get all that makes sense. Put together all that high demand obviously for that because these guys may have if they want may want to make plans for the weekend and then we'll lock them in that they can't go anywhere because we on Saturday too,
you know. Yeah. No, like I said, I think that the main goal I think Bob's getting at is it was a really good show that they put on for us and we want to make sure that we can use them in the future. Um, so maybe by next meeting if you do some checking and see and and
potentially see what if the fourth would work out. Do we want to talk about any alternate dates? So I can ask them what it's going to be. Friday, Saturday, Sunday or Monday? Maybe you know any of those days or Thursday? How about Well, we also have the Friday if there if Newport
Richie is going to be on the Saturday before. We have that Friday before and the Sunday before. I'd rather be a little have a little more distance between as opposed to back to back. I mean, it's tough. I have to mandatory people. So, I'm going to mandatory people on a holiday. You know what I
mean? So, it's it's it's tough at the end of the day. We got to do what we got to do. But there you go. But, you know, you know, if they're doing the week before, if we can't get the week on, why don't we do the week after? Just I just throw stuff at the wall.
Yeah, I may just bring back some just kind of start checking and see I'll start reaching out to them and seeing what their availability and what dates they have available. I mean they may they may already have the fourth actually booked and then we'll see what they've got and we at least obvious council now that we have that date.
We'll just I'll just work out that entire week and see what we got available. Even if we got to do it on a Wednesday, Thursday, whatever it's got to be. I think not the fort because there's so many things going on on the fort, right? I mean, there's so many things to do. Maybe not just fireworks, but there's so many things to do on the 4th. So, it would be better to do it a
different day. Be different. Yeah. Yeah. Find out their availability and get with staff. See what's best for everybody. Okay. So, we can have a test. Okay. Anything else? Old business. Yeah. So, I was looking at the limestone or what you call that the limestone pier
that's been taken out. Has it? It's gone, but they didn't remove the worst pillar which is out in the middle of the river. It's still there. And there's a marker, PVC marker there right next to it. Have we paid them? No, the project's
not complete yet. Navigational hazard. Have you paid them already? The project's not complete yet. They're still working on the retaining wall. Okay. So, so that's not done. And I'll bring that point to to them about that particular market. The point we need to make to them is are they still going to remove it? If they are, we need to give
them 30 days to remove it or we'll remove it and we'll just back charge them for it. It needs to be removed. It's a navigational hazard. Is that the only one that's left? That's the only one that I can find in there. So, they pulled all other ones out all the other ones that I Yeah, I don't see any other ones in there. I'm sure they're all gone. I would have seen them. I was over
there swimming around and yeah, it's that's one big one. And we can remove it with a crane. It's not that big of a deal, but it it's going to cost a couple thousand dollars. I just I'm I'm gonna have to talk to them again because gota remember the and gota remember the original pier that we had was only 90
feet out. So I don't know if that marker goes out beyond that and that was another pillar from the other side of the bridge which they weren't contracted to do. But let me get let me get measurements and talk to them and see what that is. you know what that is because I'm not I wasn't 100% sure if that that particular pillar was part of
the part of the they should have left what was left at a pier out of the water so no one would run into it. They left a navigational hazard is what they did. Do do you know if the if this one you're talking about was it part of the pier or was it out? It was the very
last one the very end. Right. I don't think there was one outside the what the actual pier covered. So cuz otherwise it' have been hit all the time cuz that's right there. Absolutely. Been over it many times. That's that's that's 10 ft deep there. Yeah. Yeah. So, I think sounds like they'd left that last
one. I'll talk to them about that. And um I was looking at the um Oel got an email, I guess, on those traffic signs that have radar in them that catch speeders. also has a flashing warning for speed and it is made in
Georgia and they can actually radar tag people that are speeding at a set rate that we set um as in replacement of the uh speed humps on Grand Boulevard. Possibly putting a sign like that up there and
maybe one on Washington Street is a consideration. These things will actually over time pay for themselves also in revenue from the speeding tickets. And we can set like a 25 mph speed zone on Grand. We can set it at at 40 miles an hour if we want. Unless most
people I think they're only allowed in Florida with school zones, right? The automatic ticketing the speed. I I don't know. I would have said I don't know. I don't recall the email you're talking about, but I was thinking it was a it was I got it in my email. I know that a
number of cities and the city of Baltimore for example had a red light camera um speeding cameras and it was um not in for very long. They had there was a lot of public response to it.
It was not successful. They eventually removed them, but other cities do have them. Um I would just need to verify whether or not they're grandfathered in versus this section you're referring to, Mayor. Yeah, more information. I know that I know obviously red light cameras
are out there. I was read about I thought it was very interesting that you know if it's like I said 25 mile speed liine we don't have to write a ticket unless they're going like 40 miles an hour and not like they're going over 25 to get a ticket. So on it but I I don't know if we can do that or not. And if if
we could I don't know I'd be on board with that just because I don't like automated ticketing things. Well, you go 50 miles an hour down there too so I sure you wouldn't like that. I don't I've I bathe the law of course to get a speed grip for you, especially on your street because I know how sensitive you are. So anyway, I thought it was
interesting. I read that email. We'll look into that. Um otherwise, you know, speed humps are coming, I guess, because we're getting a safety. Yeah. Do we got update on the safety thing? Is that Yes, they're supposed to be setting the final draft the end of this week. Okay. So, we should have that maybe by next week. As
we look that over with city manager, any small changes they have to make, we'll be bringing that to council for approval by resolution. Right. Next meeting to just you'll be gone just the one meeting, right? Next I'll be here next meeting and then the week after I'll be gone. Okay. You'll be on Zoom, right? Right. Either way. Okay. Like it's
coming soon. So, yeah. You're not going to get rid of me that easy. Anything else on old business? Yes. Uh, I would like to go have the staff go through this list and update this because I noticed there's a
lot of things like the what's going on with the BRA bath bathrooms at Brasher and then the uh scenarios with uh you know the centennials completed. I think we just need to have the staff go
through this list and freshen it up because there's a lot of this stuff's been hanging around since 2023. Um, and if we could get that done and then once the list is done, then I think we ought to prioritize that list and
move forward with an action plan that says, "Okay, here's what what's out there. Let's sit here and we could do this in in a council meeting pretty easily determining uh maybe even put the cost in here. It needs more information,
right? Like the the Grand Boulevard speed humps that that Bob was talking about. Potentially we were going to spend money for speed humps. Maybe we're going to get speed signs. So those are the kinds of things that help us make a decision and and I think we need to
really just move some of these items forward and and really get information to do that. I actually brought that point up to the city manager since he he came in and I said old business has you know some of the items have become stagnant. I do update information you know just like the centennial committee
we are having that last meeting. Um as soon as that meeting happens that item will fall off. um limestone pier. Unfortunately, until SC signature is done with that project, it's still on there. Um I told him things like the u items like the 5219 Miller Bayou um
Bayou property. Um I've you know um of course um when Matt Coppler was here that that was he had other priorities at the time but this is one of those stagnant items that I think that we need to address council look at this list and say what do we want to put on the top and keep
knocking down. I I' I've received proposals for each of these projects but until I get green lit from the city manager I I don't move forward until he tells me let's put it in front of council. So I I think that when um you know it's either Mr. you know, Mr. Butterfield comes back or, you know,
when we bring in another city manager, this list needs to be itemized. Like you said, if we have to throw some some estimate pricing on what they could be, we get with staff to do that. At least we have a ballpark number of what it's going to cost to put forward and then go ahead and do that. But I I do agree
because that was why I I literally did bring that up as I was revising this list is that some of these items are stagnant. Um the the utility lead and copper study that is constantly ongoing. um the branch of park bathrooms, same
thing. I have engineering proposals to start with design, but till the city a city manager tells me, let's get these in front of council. Let's get a number approved and let's come forward. You know, that's where I'm at. And once of course once we, you know, once Mr. Butterfield comes back, I'll,
you know, bring this again to his attention if he hasn't watched this meeting tonight and say that we need to itemize this list and, you know, list priorities and have council analyze this and what they feel is priority to start getting knocked out. Right. And and to your your point, if we've got quotes or
estimates, put it together. That way we can see what the cost on some of this thing is because my next question, and I'll address that uh when I get to make my comments. So, appreciate you looking at this. Thank you. Um on the on the
completed items, how long I know you wanted to keep those on there. Do you want to those will drop off at the end of the calendar year into the fiscal year? My suggestion would be is add it to a separate schedule because at the end of the day, those are the items that
you're going to look at and say, "Hey, let's look back and see what we've done." And you see what you've accomplished. I think that's a good way to recognize that, hey, we are making progress. Here's the list and it's probably good information to have out there for the public because they can
see that we are making progress on these items. Yeah. It just moves to a separate list of completed projects. Yeah. It's off the agenda. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it could it could float on this thing. It's not it's just information. As you as you fast forward
two, three, four years, as things complete, we're going to continue to have a big long list. In other words, at the end of the year, you'd look at how well we did. These are the items that we completed this year. Okay. After the year is over, again, they'd age off.
Yeah. I just come off this packet. Yeah. So, leave leave completed items on another page for for a year. Yeah. and put a date in there completed so that we know it completed in fiscal year 2025. You can put on there on budget or over
budget too if you want. I mean, you can do that. Yeah, it I tell you what, you probably could do it if you and maybe calendar year or fiscal year. Either way, at the end of that, you would take the things that were accomplished on here and have a step like we have our financial reports or whatever. just on
the website, here's the things that were accomplished in 2025, 2026, and just have a yearly close out, right? And then this is this is a tool to uh evaluate how well our city managers do, right? You got city accountability, city
street, and it's completed, but it's not on here. Well, it just happened. So, yeah. Okay. So, as going forward, we can look at cleaning that up. Obviously, there's not a lot on there completed anyway, but as they do, we can roll those off. The Grant Boulevard intersection improvements, we haven't
got that back from the state yet, or have, have we? No, we're waiting for final the final from FD. So, the questions were submitted. They replied, our engineer went ahead and answered those comments, and we're just waiting for
when did we send that last um update? I just asked I actually I just submitted an email to the engineer uh late last week. So I'm waiting to hear back from him. So he's he's basically waiting on them. So it' be nice if we do the landscaping once
that's completed and that intersection I think would be yeah the focus of most of it should be okay. Yeah. If that gets to be a issue let me know and I can reach out to the to the uh secretary. Okay.
Glenn want to hold that up. I want to get that keep that moving. I I stress that to both the engineer and and that council is to accomplish this project. So um old business.
Okay. Then I will move along to the comments from mayor and city council. I'll start uh Chris dropped off, right? So he's Okay. So I'll start with uh Councilwoman Burke. Um, I just want to say that this police the speed display setup on
Washington, I've noticed a little difference and um, patrol's been out there a lot. I've noticed. So, I I think that's helping quite a bit. I haven't been hearing the vehicles as loud. Good. And also, I wanted to say something about fire did
another water rescue this week. Right. So, since you don't have a lift or a dock, how fast can you get that boat in the water? Depends on which boat you're talking about. Well, whichever boat you needed the other night. How fast could you get that in the water?
We got we got it pretty dialed in or as dialed in as we say we could what we do is we call PD and meet immediately and have them go and clear the boat ramp. So, they're clear the boat ramp. While they're doing that, we we're hooking up whichever boat we decide to take and there depends on what factors we get from a caller. Is there a fire? Is it
not? Is it shallow water? Is it deep water? So, if we're using one of the boats at the station, we're calling them. They're clearing the boat ramp for us. We're hooking up the appropriate boat, towing it to the So, we're pretty much at the marina. I would say maybe six minutes, 8 minutes. We're at the
marina. Um, and then launching the boat from there. Um, which takes a couple more minutes because you got to back it in, unhook it, blah blah blah blah, pull the truck out of the way, park it, jump on the boat, go. But it's we're as fast as we as we could be. Um, if it's a boat from the station, if it's the boat that's on the lift, then the unit just
responds there. We have everything we need on on on the trucks already. All that stuff. They just respond there. Jump in. Right. Well, thank thanks to both departments because both usual like always, we all appreciate you
both. Awesome. Thank you. Well, if you can elaborate on give us an idea of what happened. I'd mention that to you. On Sunday night, it's around 9:00. We got a call for a vessel taking on border in distress. Uh it was just getting it was dark already
nine o'clock at night, so it was dark. Um he was alone. Uh that was a 911 caller. He was alone in distress. Wasn't sure where he was. He said he could see the stilt houses. Uh the engine stopped running and it was sinking. Um turned out it was a a bigger jet ski is what it was, but he was sinking. He said he
could see the stilted houses and he could see some condos on both sides. We had a general idea on where he was. Uh the sheriff's office didn't have a boat. Coast Guard says what they always tell us. Uh it's too shallow. We'll send a helicopter if you need it for rescue, but um because they really can't go in the water. I think it's under five foot,
right? Something like five or six foot, I think. So, and it was shallow. Um so, we deployed the rescue boat. Um so, Captain Quinn responded to the rescue boat, which is uh the soft side Coast Guard looking one, the smaller one. Um so, he deployed that and I responded from home. He got the rescue boat in the
water, was responding out there. The sheriff's office had their helicopter in the air, so they were out trying to spot him. Um, they found him. I want to say it was around Stilton to seven, six or seven, somewhere in there. Um, Tom got I got on the bigger boat, the marine unit
by Hooters. I lowered it in the water. And so if it was a little further offshore, I was going to be the offshore boat. He'd be the inshore search guy. Um, I just But I sat there because he he had pretty sure that helicopter had found him. So I just sat in the water there and didn't actually deploy the boat yet, but I was ready to go. And
then um Tom had got to him. Uh so we took him and you he we uh towed him to a stilt home. Uh he wasn't injured. He was freaked out, but he wasn't injured. We towed him to a still home, secured the watercraft, and then um he he had some decisions to make. And one of them was
uh we us take him to shore and him try to find somebody to go back and get his jet ski or spend $2,100 on sea tow his jet ski. Um, so we he wound up deciding he want to leave it. So we uh secured him there, got him to a safety point,
secured his vessel for him, came back in, and then he had called Sito. So it was a jet ski. There's a jet ski, one of the bigger like three person jet ski, but he was by himself out there. No lights. Yeah, I know. At 9:00. Yeah, they can't run them at night. No, they're supposed to be on an hour before dusk, I believe. And he was sober. Yeah.
Huh. From what we could tell. Yeah. But he sobered up probably. But you could stand up there. I mean, that turned around. Yeah. Did he hit something? Is that what I We didn't get that far. We don't really know for sure. He just said it was taking on water. He said he left the sandbar or the island. Said he left the island and was going heading home.
Uh he knew he was later than he should have been cuz it got pretty dark. Yeah. And then uh all of a sudden it stopped running. That's when he realized it was way bogging and then it was just taking on water. So he was just clinging to the thing floating out there. Yeah. I found people out there at night yelling in the
distance. That's what he was worried about. He was worried he's going to get run over. Yeah, he was with some people and they left him. First I found he's out there floating off Golf Harbors hanging on to a jet ski. We were out there shark fishing out there. We hear yelling and there he was floating hanging on to what's left of it.
Good bill. Yeah. Good. Yeah. Good. Thank you. Anything else? No. Okay. Council Hubard. Ner. Uh yeah. Uh I quickly looked at the uh spin for our capital expenditures and
we're way under running. Um do we have a get well plan to get that engaged and moved ahead and can you bring an update next meeting? Uh and then look at the items on the list. I know one of them was the the lining of the lift stations
today, but there there is quite a bit of I mean we're spent about 3%. And we're 3/4ers of the year done. So we should be at 75%. And actually if we look at this, all
this needs to be deployed on day one to get the full benefit because what this does is it helps us run things better, run things smoother, uh gives us the tools for the departments to do their job. So um let's
take a look. You guys got two weeks. Put something together. Uh this is all over the board. you know, water, fire, police, all that stuff. Um, now let's come up with a a plan because now we've got July, August, September, three
months left in the year, right? Um, I can tell you on our end, we if it's not if it's something we we need, we're immediately jumping on it. If it's something that's a replacement or an upgrade or sometimes we'll wait till the last quarter to do that because we don't know what else is going to hit us or
happen. So to try to be budgetarily safe, we'll know we'll hold on to that and and kind of wait a little while and ride it out, ride the year out. You know, hurricanes and things could happen. Sure. Next thing you know, well, instead of replacing the brush truck, I guess we're going to have to wait one more year because now we need a new fire truck or So, I know on our end, that's
typically what a lot of the departments will do. They'll they'll hold off on some of those until the last quarter and then jump on them. But I I'm just speaking for myself. But right now, I'd just like to see you have the gear if you actually need it. Somebody put it in the budget for a reason. Mhm. Um, you
know, understood, sir. Anyway, that's that's my only thing from Don King. I'm gonna give an update. Okay. Anything else? No. Okay. So, couple things. Uh, since Bob asked, I'll start with that one. So,
update on Don King. So, he reached out uh he had family in town last week and I know Andy was trying to reach out to schedule July 1. um he had talked over his wife and and he has a house basically to travel back and forth between here about five hours a day and
so he was they were talking about well if if I did get selected would I you know rent a place there or whatever and so he basically is graciously appreciated the offer to come in for interview he's he's bowed out so he's not he's not going to be interested in
that so so he's off the off the agenda um so that being said um we We also need to uh regroup on the vendors that we uh had before us and we tabled. Um but I
thought cuz we we we conversation. I know Chris had brought some things up. So I thought instead of July 1st, we're going to have the interview if we go ahead and have that workshop and talk about if it's, you know, if anything we want to do from a city charter perspective uh on changing government
tweaks or whatever. And then after that uh discussion what comes with that we we probably go ahead and look at uh making some changes we just he he brought up about um uh talking about using this opportunity to look at possibility
changes that we could look at doing. right for the beans. What happened? I can tell you right now I'm not interested in that. Again, it's a conversation. So, we I don't think it hurts to have a conversation and just kind of look through things to see if there's
anything we we want to possibly change and then if based on that discussion that we can bring back the three is there three or four? Four. Four. Four. Four. Okay. four proposals and bring those back and and make action on
those. But yeah, we're going to have interview on July 1st. We can use as a workshop and get that over with. So people go about that. Well, just do that. But the workshop is going to do what? Select the
organization or No, just a workshop. Just a workshop just to talk about if there's anything we see that we want to look at changing. Oh, in the chart and not deal with the um specifically around city manager and and that well
chain but if we have that meeting could we address the firms that we were looking at and get that kicked off so it goes faster? We can. Yeah. Yeah, we can. A workshop you cannot have action. It would need to be a special meeting. All
right. Not there wouldn't be action anything. The workshop will just be had a discussion and if we decided we wanted to action something, we'd roll out the next meeting. So again, Chris wanted a conversation. I think we owe a conversation. Well, going we could vote on it the next meeting. You know what we
voting on? Yeah, I think the I think it's just a a public meeting. We get together and talk about here's some potential things and if we want to decide we want to make a change or whatever, then we can bring it back for action. Why don't we have a special meeting instead and then Yeah. Can we do
that instead of a workshop to address it that way and that way we could address the Well, I think there's probably depending on what comes at workshop, I think there's probably going to be some work involved to get it to a point where you're going to vote on anything for sure. But we can I mean, well, here's the
thing. We already took the time on the last agenda, reviewed all those four firms. I made a decision on where I was going to stand and I'm assuming everybody else did too. We just tabled it. We didn't I know we did. Chris
tabled it. We said that's fine because we waited what Don said. Right. Right. Because something else entered the picture. But as far as I'm concerned, I was ready to to vote on it that night. And now two weeks have gone by. Now another two weeks. So that's another
month. Yeah. Well, do we want to go without another month without engaging a firm? So, I can make a motion right now to hire that company and see if it passes. Well, it's not on the agenda. We have to add it. We don't have We're not ready for that. We can have it as ready as the next meeting, which would be July
8th or Yeah. So, and July 1st is before the 8th. So, that's why I was thinking if we wanted to have the conversation about that, get it out of the way, and then based on what we discuss here, we be ready to go on the 8th. That sound
you guys just want to keep everything the way it is and desire of the firm. That's what we need to do. I don't know what I don't know what we need to do. I think again we're in a situation now where we have the opportunity to take a breath talk about if there's anything we want to discuss change and could be
minor. You talking about a mayor run city or city manager run city? Is this what we're No, I I think there's what talking about other things specifically around uh the the structure of our governor, right? So, so now let
me give you an example. Okay, he he said strong mayor what um there's very different views of strong mayor. There's mayor run a city. There's also strong mayor. I think they have um one of the other cities in Pasco has that which is there they still have a city manager,
city administrator or whatever. There's there's different things. So why don't we have that conversation there and talk about all those different things. I don't want to have it here. It's it's not really pertinent to have it here. Why? Because we're not prepared for it. We sit down and talk about look at some of
the options and see if there's anything we want to tweak. And if there's not, maybe we leave everything exactly the way it is and then we move forward on the eth with with hiring one of those firms and get a city manager. Well, at the same time, we we do that and we we also pursue some charter changes. I
don't want to be the one to say I don't want to hear. I'm willing for improvement as long as it's improvement. I'm you got to have a conversation. I mean, you don't know what you don't know. So that's I mean if you all are dead set against having a conversation about
making improvements to the government style then we'll just move forward. But I think it's an opportunity to to talk about it and I and Chris brought it up and like I said I don't care one way or another. Like I said doesn't make no difference to me. I know there's there's things in the in the charter that I
don't like that makes the things tough to to do business. Um, and I think we could probably take a look at that and make some positive changes to where uh we're more efficient. This is conversation. I think it'd be a good good opportunity just to hash that
out and see what what maybe makes sense. Well, it's on the schedule to be here. I'll be here. I mean, that's fine. Well, actually, it's not on schedule. No, we were planning on my calendar. We were planning on doing this. We're supposed to interview Don King. So since that's off, just makes sense to me. Right. Huh.
So we can still do this. We can still do it whenever. We can still do it. Absolutely. Right. And I'd probably be better if some staff didn't have to be here late. I just need to know if we're going to be doing a special meeting or a workshop. I don't know which way to I don't think there's any need for any
action come out of that. It just be a just a roundt discussion talking about different things and points of view and see if there's anything we propose to change. Again, anything that would come at that workshop, we would have to then action it ordinance and it wouldn't
change until an election. So, anything come out has it depends on what we're doing. But yeah, yeah, it depends on the election. Depending on what you're doing, it would depend on an election, right? Any any change to charter would require a vote of the elector.
So all we would be doing would be talking about any any changes that we would just like we did with the 15 or whatever some charter changes or whatever, right? Except we didn't that was very uber focused on some certain things that needed to be addressed. So
that won't change us looking for a city manager anyway. So we need to get a hold of the firm. So I I would say the next that's we still need to do that. Yeah. And that would be July 8th. we would be have that back on the agenda. I mean, if you want to make a special
meeting, we do it on July 1st. We do that, too. But again, I don't want to cloud that. July 9th, I'll be out of town. But I'll be here for the 8th, but the following meeting I'll be out of town.
So, I'll be teams. So, you guys okay with July 1st move forward with the workshop? What time? What time we Can we have it at noon? Can we have lunch? Would you rather do it after lunch or during lunch? We have 10
or 11 a.m. or 10 a.m. is scheduled. 10 a.m. fine accommodate. Then we can do breakfast. 10 a.m. 10 11. You want 10 11 Mayor's buying breakfast if he wants us here. That's how it works.
Yeah. I don't care. Just I'm trying to He was brought up to have a discussion. Let's have a discussion and then 10 a.m. Pick a time. Yeah. 10 a.m. 10's fine. That's what we have. Yeah. Is that good with you, S?
Workshop 10 on the 1st. 10 a.m. Yep. 10 a.m. Okay. Any objections to that? No. Okay. And uh if you also plan on bringing back the tabled item on the eighth council agenda for these four uh
city major search firms. Good. Okay, sounds good. Okay, that's that update. Uh, paving was mentioned. Like I said, I did riding Daryl. We we meticulously looked up and down Bay Boulevard for punch items to and they were a lot. So, he's going to
be working with uh Ajax to get those things addressed. Um, I will say that even as we were looking at that and I just to give you some examples, I noticed that it looked like one lane was a lot wider than the other. And so I actually measured it and there was there
was a spot that I measured was a foot difference on both sides. So, and as we went down through Bayville, there was actually some that were almost two foot different. So, the striping is a is a big problem. Um, and so obviously we'll be working with them on that. There was also some some paving pitting and stuff
that uh can lend itself to potholes, water enters and that. So, he's going to be work with Ajax to get that those items taken care of. Um I will say though that as a as a positive thing, people riding by and commenting on how great it was. Looks nice. Yeah, even with the issues,
very well received by the public. So, so that was good. But anyway, he's going to be working to get that. I think made a comment to the guys. He said it was good. And I said, "Well, we want it to be perfect for you, so we're going to, you know, tie up these loose ends." Um, and then finally, uh, Linda
Rodriguez was here last week. I happened to see her and she had mentioned about the discussion we had with CRA on three quotes for the residential grant. And we had a discussion, I think you actually brought that up. I went back to see um, it was on the January 14th meeting and
we had a fairly lengthy discussion about why we require three quotes. Um, Linda had asked I thought we had changed that and I didn't think we had changed it. So, I went back to look to see and we didn't. Um, and what and just for the public's awareness, what we what we talked about was is the reason those
quotes were there is because as the city um, anything over $2,500 up to 25,000, we require three quotes. Okay? If we can't get three quotes, we're not bound to three quotes. But, but that why no one can explain to me why. Just
because because we do we have to have we're not paying for this. The customers paying we're reimbursing for something that they did. There's there's some things that we do in here. We don't have three companies that can do it that you can't get three bids. I get that and
you're not beholden three quotes but the reason so our purchasing policy requires three quotes and I think it's it's good that it does. You wouldn't want just one quote every time. Looking to get like three bids for something that they're paying for and they want to go with like the cheapest or the one in the middle. I
would understand that, but you're having to you you can't dictate to the Well, you're jumping ahead. So, hold on a second. So, we're talking about the city purchasing policy. Okay. Three quotes. If we go out and we're going to spend $10,000 on some project, we want to get three quotes because we probably will
take the lesser for the city. But this isn't this is for citizens. Let me get there. So, so that's our purchasing policy as a city. So, what the conversation was is this $5,000 grant money. That's city money, right? And so,
the reason that we have the three quotes mimics our purchasing policy. And so, that's why we do it. Doesn't mean we have to do it, but that's that's the rationale. And it's probably it's probably good. And and it was it's interesting as I watched that Lyn had
actually said that it was it was good policy. I think she had herself had gotten a couple quotes on something and she went uh with the lower one was you know she got the quote if you you know you if you don't if you don't do your due
diligence and you just call some guy up to do something and he charges x amount of dollars uh you could be pay overpaying. You might get lucky and get the cheapest off the bat, but again, if you don't talk to a couple people, you're not gonna 90% of the time when someone wants
something done, they already know who they want to do it ones like that licensed, they're contract, they're they're licensed, bonded, insured to do that. As long as they're qualified, they got a license, and they pull the permit to do it, then you're making the homeowner go out and harass two other
companies to spend their time to come out and give you quotes that are useless 90% of the time is buying what he the person he wants to. It may not be the cheapest, may not be the most expensive. It doesn't matter. That's who wants to do it.
Sometimes it's good to encourage someone that doesn't know anybody should get three bids. It might be something we put in or you should get three bids, but say this guy's doing the job. He's my friend. He's giving me a good deal. He's licensed. He's bond insurance. I know what I'm getting.
No one else around here I can find to do this job. So, he's not going to qualify. Well, I think what the discussion was before you talking add in there. I get the bureaucratic conversation. I understand that. So the if if you can't
find another quote, you aren't beholden to have more than one quote. Okay. Just just that's what I understood last time was that you don't you're not required to get three quotes to get that, right? And that's what you say, I guess. Yes. But also, and Diane is is take without three quotes. So she'll go ahead and
approve it. Well, yes. So the thing is you got to try to get three quotes. I mean, obviously, you know, if you one person doesn't come out, you have two quotes, it's fine. you know, you tried, but the fact is is you're spending taxpayer money. We're beholden to three three quotes because we're spending
someone else's money. We even though we give it to you, we're we're okay in the project itself. So, you're still you're still beholden to those rules and regulations because we're spending that money basically on on that thing. And that's why people don't do it. If you're using taxpayers money, it's
not your first it's not city's money, it's taxpayers money. are using taxpayers money to buy something for the city. We should get three estimates to show to the taxpayers, we did our due diligence to spend your money on this project and this is what we determined and why. But when you're telling a
homeowner, you need to you're going to tell them, "Well, this is the cheapest, but we're not going to pay for this one because this is too expensive. We want this one." Homeowner says, "I want this guy because he's doing extra work for me. He's he's it's a better product." You're saying no, you can't tell him he can't use that company as long as he's
licensed, bonded, and insured, right? Nobody's saying you can't use why get the bids. That's my point. Because purchasing policy because it's just good practice to do so. It's good practice. See what I'm saying though? What if and you're you're you're talking two companies come out to raise and you're
wasting everybody's time. Yeah. But you have to understand too, the only thing we're asking you, we're giving you $5,000. The city is giving you the taxpayers of this county, the city is giving you $5,000. You get three. I don't think that's a big ass. When I got the windows, I had to call two other companies come out and
I had to be there when they got there and went all the crap and then and they tried to give me these sales pitch and I keep getting emails from them now. Is that not worth $5,000? Yes. That's not my point. Well, I get your point. I know your point. I And I totally agree with you. It seems like I'm not If someone
wants to do that, that's fine. I'm just saying it's not necessary. That's all. Yeah. So, I'm saying you should recommend people to get three three bid. If he comes in, who am I going to get these three bits from? This is the only company I know that does this particular kind. No, you you answer your question.
You can't get them. So, your one quote is sufficient. Good that you tell people you don't need three quotes. We prefer you get it. We tell you need three quotes. That's what I'm saying. You have to go out there. But anyway, you want to do it. I'm not going to argue with you. We do the same thing. If we can't get three people to
come out here, we've done that several times. You can't get three people out here to do something, we go with the two quotes that we have. But I mean it's it's just it's good price and and again I'll stress this asking a lot for someone to ask three people money on city things and you can't get three bids. Well, we may not want you to do
that. Well, let's do this. Okay. I just I just wanted to inform that we did not make any change there. So, just to clarify, we did not change that. So, you still need three quotes. It is well within our purview to change that. And so, I would suggest if you want to change it right at the next CRA meeting
when it's appropriate because that's the CRA, right? bring it up for discussion then we can and we can look at changing that and I do I do say I did not bring it up tonight but I still stand strong that I don't see I I think it should be recommended but I think I think council
people ought to get five quotes just to show that we really are doing this so anyways well go ahead no I'm just kidding this should lead by example this is real simple you want the 5000 you have to walk the path we've sent people down that path who came in here and they
didn't follow the rules and they didn't get reimbursed. So, the point is if you want to get the 5,000, you have to go through the process. Yeah. I mean, I'm all for making things as easy as possible. Don't worry. And and you asked me if the three quotes were worth the $5,000 to me. Yeah, it was. But it was
just a pain. And and I just I look at say why? I have a guy as a resident, Port Richie, has done all my all my work for years and and he gave me a great deal and but I still have to call these two other companies and there's a lot of people the same same position as me that
and they told me why do we have to do that? Well, how do you how do you know they do that? That's a policy because we can. That's why we do it. How do you know it's a great deal unless you get another quote? Because they they have someone they know and it's going to they already know what it costs. Other people
have done it. Yeah, you know there as you as you build relationship with people over time it does get a good deal you you know you you've already done that due diligence before so you at that point you don't feel like you need but things change and it's I don't like I said it's it's good practice but you
know again at the end of the day you can you can use whoever test it I just disagree is all I'm saying and I'll explain why but if you want to continue that's fine. Well, I it's it's it's a council decision. So, if you guys want to bring it up, CR, think about it, bring it up and we can talk about taking that out.
More than happy to discuss that. Um, but I did want to dispel that we did not change it. So, you still need three quotes as of today. And that was that was that was the ask. But what we did change is the annual versus a by annual, right? You do it every year now. Yeah. Right. But it's you're reimbursing the
taxpayers their money. It's not city money. City don't have money. It's all taxpayers money. So with that motion to make a second. I have Dave motion and and uh Lisa had second. So all in favor signify by saying I. I
there you go.