July July 15th. I'm not here. That's my work, right? We can do it. We do have one. July 1st.
July 1st. July 1st. July. Good for me. I don't know what day is it. Tuesday and here at appointment, are you there? Yes, I am. All right. Excellent.
Yes, I can. And we all can. [Music] 15th I have a uh we have here when you get back I get I get back on the 21 flooded like
it's like in the soil. It's just holding up somewhere else Yeah, one o'clock. It is [Music] Nancy, they're just talking about future meetings. if you can hear. Oh, you
probably when we finally work around your schedule from the 9th to the 7th August you have anything you want Monday the 7th but I can do I
can do the 10th right I'll be here on the seventh in August the seventh or eth day is that it's Monday Monday, July 7th. I'm I'm here then. Yeah, sure. You
can do that. You want to do that? Council meeting. Huh? Council meeting planning zoning. I'll be on the road leaving South Carolina. There's a CC
[Music] Oh, City Council special meeting Monday, June 16, 202y and justice for all. Mr. Courtney, roll please. Mayor John Eric Hoover here. Vice Mayor Chris Mayer here. Councilman David Mueller here.
Councilman Robert Huard here. Councilwoman Lisa Burke here. City Attorney Nancy Meyer here. City Manager Andrew Butterfield here. Thank you. Okay. First up, uh, Council General Public. We have no one seated
out in the public. Uh, no one online, I suppose. Okay. So, I'll bring it back to Counc City Man manager. Pass it to Mr. Butterfield for his comments. Uh, mayor and council, I appreciate coming in on short notice uh, for uh, this special meeting. Uh, we just saw an opportunity
to uh, avoid paying another setup fee to our paving contractor, get some more paving done and get it done uh, faster than if we had waited till next week. So, I thank everybody for coming in. I hope the information we've uh, sent ahead of time is helpful to understanding. Uh just it's uh
requesting a motion to uh approve $33,030 of further payments to Ajax paving. That's just above my threshold to approve. So had to ask you all to come in. Uh the total that this uh addition
would take us over the 450,000 that's been already approved by $7,041. So then that that we have in the public works operational budget so we could cover that and get the project done and subject to any questions. That's my
recommendation. Okay. Well, actually since it kind of went to this go ahead and jump into the uh council business which is approval of paving Wilkins Street and Bay Boulevard Bridge. Uh Andy's already introduced that. So if
you guys any questions so moved. Okay. Second. A motion second to approve. Any further discussion? Uh the only discussion I was going to ask which I asked before the meeting um we had Bay um sorry Grand Boulevard improvements. Did you find anything out on on that if
that's in the budget? I I have to confer with the finance director and see what we actually have set aside for the construction part of that. We do have money set aside for the final permit and uh final set of plans, but I don't know if we've set aside money for construction. Okay. So I know I'm
waiting for that number. Yeah, because we haven't received that number yet. Yeah, because I thought that was we were looking at using potential AR funding for that. Um, but we put all that AR funding into this. Is that the intersection on 19? Yes. Okay. Um, I just want to make sure we don't have an
issue with that. Hasn't been approved yet. No, but we it's going to bid. So, that's obviously it's going to come back. We have to authorize that. The blanket that we set aside for paving um in in late December for Ajax was 450 regardless. that letter was done and that was the monies that we set aside
for painting. So, we're not exceeding that anyway in ARPA. So, if there is money set aside for the Well, AR's done because I'm saying but if we did set aside for the construction part of the project um that wasn't that's not being touched by this, right? I know, but I'm
just curious if we have that set aside another fund or something budgeted because otherwise we have to come up with that but we can have a follow council meeting on that. Okay. Any further discussion? Okay, seeing none, I put the vote on
favor signify by saying I. I. Opposed. Motion carries. Uh, next up, comments from mayor, city council. I'll start my left with councilwoman Burke. Vice Mayor, mayor. No. Councilman Hbert, not at this time. Okay. Council Mueller.
Sure. Um, having been to a couple meetings with nicer chairs, I noticed a comment that Chris made. It says, "Wouldn't it be nice if we have nice chairs out here?" And I'm thinking, having sitting in a church yesterday
with nice foam padded chairs, I I think we maybe that's why we don't have anybody out here. So, maybe we ought to look at at getting uh chairs. He sent me a link today. He what? Vice Mayor mayor sent me a link to look at
those chairs. Right. But since we couldn't discuss it amongst ourselves, I just wanted to bring that up in in open counsel so that we can have a discussion on that. Uh he made the comment and I filed it away and said, "Hey, you know,
that's probably not a bad idea and thank you for reflecting that." Sounds like some price proposals for new set of chairs. So, this was an item he actually brought them to. I found $25 chairs. Really nice fat, cushiony church chairs. Excellent condition. They've got 200 of
them for $25 a piece. So, we could get Yeah, it's a real deal. Yeah, you only need two since Facebook somebody else shows up out there. Okay. Well, I got to talk to him because he didn't allow me Facebook because I think it's a blog
thing, but I George will have to hack. Yeah, but I I searched it myself in my on my own. It popped up. Yeah, we'll start getting move. We're going to move because if you sit though, somebody else will get them. Yeah. Yeah. So, I was going to say we got budget seat coming up, but I say if you find
something for 25, there's 200. You say 200. There's 5,000 bucks. That's within his purchase authority. Is there any objection to a motion to move on that? Yep. I'll second that. Okay. Motion to second. Any fur discussion? Long as those chairs are decent. Long as you That's what I'm saying. This is excellent condition. So, What do we want
to do with these? Auction them. Auction them maybe to the trailer park or something or clubhouse. Buy a community center and fill it right up. I mean always use chairs for something. So Danny will figure it out. I'm sure. Um
any further discussion on that? Okay. Any public comment? None out there. None online for a vote. All in favor signify by saying I. I opposed. Motion carries. and and I I sent the city manager um two
areas that we brought up that I brought up at the last meeting about property located uh north of the city and property located along Co Coons Road that we could build into a killer park
or smoking park smoking killer park uh as as vice mayor mayor indicated but um maybe he could share share that with you uh at some time. But I think it would be wise for the city to be looking forward
into areas that u as we grow we can accommodate various needs of the city. Yeah. I'd mentioned to to Andy as well that and soon to come workshop we need to kind of look at uh some several parcels to see where we might be
interested in picking up some stuff. Well, that's I agree with all that. I think our infrastructure like water lines and stuff, we should get that settled in those areas first so we don't have to worry about it. And if you put in
sidewalks, you have to dig them up and you have to put water lines later. I'd rather have that all in place before we do any sidewalks or any walk or do anything on top of the property till the water lines are updated and storm drains if needed. I don't you know but yeah
that needs to be done infrastructure start at the bottom make sure that's all done before we it's like grandf it's not our property we can't do anything with it right exactly the same so oh this is a we can't do anything
till we annex it if you're not going to do anything unless it's annex right right well some of the was in the city actually I think all of it's in the But if the city owns it, it's annexed by default. Well, I don't have a city limit. Well,
no, you I don't I don't know if if the city buys the property that's adjacent to its existing property that it's I think all this property that I was talking about at the city already. So, it's like you were talking. I wasn't at the meeting, which I got to get an internal speaker for my computer because
I didn't hear you very well when someone else was talking and you were talking. I I couldn't understand it. But, I'll I'll fix that. But I know we were talking about uh Grand Boulevard and making that more like the main street and I had brought up the fact that that's that's great. We're going to be putting if
that's the case, you're going to be putting in sidewalks and joining from Main Street over to the waterfront area. Waterfront, all that water lines need to be done before we do anything. And Sure. Sure. And we got it
as Matt got with you on DOT as far as putting water line across the bridge. I mean, we talked about that a few times. That's going to take a long time to get that approved, but that's eventually going to need to be done, right? So again, this the Granola stuff would be a workshop just
to kind of start the planning aspect of that. So which would include all those things if we were to move on that from a construction perspective, right? But you gota you gota look at it and plan from a zoning perspective of what you kind of want to see in that area first and that's what this first and obviously if
there's any property that needs acquiring along there we can look at that as well. Um but then as we start to move towards any kind of execution obviously that would infrastructure would be first and foremost. There's there's a lot of possibilities there right like the uh the dredging
that area that needs we need to put all that dredging out key and not put it on that property. We could do something really good with that corner piece of property. And obviously that's something in play too is that the fire department is looking at um doing their their study
that's ongoing about how big a fire department need where it would need to be or whatever. Obviously that that property is is in play for that depending on the study results. So that's a terrible location for a fire department probably. But I mean that's just saying that's something that's been that we own already that's been
mentioned in the past. So again, part of the planning process is to look at Grand Boulevard and all those parcels that we own, any parcels we might want to acquire and see what we want to do with that area. Is that a workshop there? Yes, absolutely. Yeah, that's a great idea. I
think we should set up a workshop on that so we can all I mean there's a lot of different there's a lot of aspects of property out there. That one that we were talking Dave and I were talking about that property where the blue building used to be is tore down next to the mullet in between
not that's one of the properties we don't own that we should look at acquiring. I know that Matt had done some work before he left on make a nice park. You got there's a lot of parking there. Well, one time I guess there were a lot of leans on it but Nancy said that tough because of the waiting line. It's
there's no there's no place for people to stage their boats out there for a boat ramp. Although it could be just for city city residents only boat ramp. Yeah. I don't want to get cart horse here. Let's let's have a workshop where we talk about the area what we what the vision is and then we can start looking
at uh in that part of that vision and how we would execute that on different parcels or whatever but you got kind just happened. I understand that Whiskey just bought the parking for the boat ramp. There's a there's very limited now for parking again. People were parking lot bait shop. The bait shop. Yeah. They
bought that property. So you can't park your boat and truck there or Joe's bought the bait shop. Yeah. And the property. I heard I know they bought the property right next right next to the house. House, right? The house. Well, they bought the house and the property across the street. I had not heard that.
Yeah. Well, there's two properties across the street. Directly across the street is is their overflow lot now, but the other one diagonal, which one belongs to Catches, the other one belonged to the gambling people. And you they're telling me they just sold that to Whiskey J. That's Well, I haven't
confirmed, but that's what I've been told by several people, including people that work there. There's a sign up there, no parking, so I assume that's correct. But the only reason I act surprised you is because I talked to the GM, Marty Defan, all the
time, and he's never mentioned that. So I don't Marty. Marty. Oh, really? Okay. So he mentioned the house. They did. Yeah, they bought the house. They're going to make that like a wedding thing. Then across the street from there where they were parking, they bought that lot too.
And for I understand they own the B all that property. Well, parking now maybe. So I think I think they separated. So this I know for a fact again I want to I don't want to get in a rumor discussion here. If you if you know something, great. But what
you hear in the street may not be true. Uh but so unequivocally they've divided that one house parcel and it has sold to Whiskey Joe's but but I but it wasn't a package deal. So if they were looking at acquiring that other one as well. I've
not heard that. So the um where the bait shop where people were parking trucks and trailers. There's a no parking sign there. So you can't still Billy still may own it. I don't know. Yeah but you're not but now you're limited just parking in and mix parking. I will say just recently I saw a bunch
of trailers parked in there over Memorial Day weekend. So I don't know when they put Yeah, that was Yeah, it's so recently changed. Just recently. Yes. Like last week that's going to be a severe problem. Maybe that was just it might have just been last week too. A lot of people people talked I talked to
a few people over there and they said that uh yeah they they acquired the property. They're not leasing it no more. They bought it. Okay. Well, it could be maybe they put a bid on it. Maybe they didn't buy it. I know it's been for sale for a long time, so it very well could. I mean, sometimes deals go fast like that. I know that Mark and
Billy are wanting to get out of there. They want that's their the property that Councilman Mueller mentioned north of the city uh talked to Daryl and S and believe the RO water treatment facility that might be a
useful piece of land for that. So, we're looking at that and uh there's 500,000 in the CRA and for land purchase and then 150,000 in general funds for uh land purchase. So, that
that's in this FY and we could combine that with future FY monies to to purchase some of these properties. So, we're looking at it. We have a workshop this afternoon. I mean, a SAP meeting on it started off as being about the Coons Road or Drive project. the idea of a
park there, but it we we'll talk about other things. As far as the uh Grand Boulevard workshop, what time frame? I know we're we're working our calendar as hard as August. Yeah. Have you talked to Tammy with Verona? I've spoken to her
once and done a couple emails, but Okay. See what she could have. Yeah. See what she's available and reach out to us to try to schedule something. Okay. Because she'd need to be there for that. I just pulled up the Pasco County records and Whiskey Jones only shows ownership of
that individual house just to the north. Well, if they was a if there was a deal last week or something, it wouldn't show. Right. It's be pending. No, I mean they usually go to record with that stuff pretty quick. Not that quick. Yes, that quick. Yeah, they have they have to go to record before they fund. I'm telling you, I've never seen one in a
week's time be on there. I have. They can't fund it. The recorded deed is what shows up on the website as two different things. You get recorded deed. Okay. Well, I think it happens simultaneously. But anyway, no big deal. How about if we just How
about if we just investigate anyway? Yeah, it's we're getting cart for the horse for sure. But but anyway, things are changing down there and there's supposed to be a meeting with the developer soon or what's this week? This week. It's a is it Wednesday? Uh
Wednesday the 18th. Yeah, it's a Zoom meeting to see where they're at with their parcels and whether they're acquiring anymore or No, to talk about the update on their project. What time is that? It's 11:30. So, it's not a it's not a
council meeting. It's not a public meeting. Okay. Meeting with them. Yeah. And we can't more more than one of us can't be on the sunshine law. So, you're going to be there? Yeah. It's just an update kind of get bring Andy up to speed. bring the rest city up to speed where they're at in their
process and is back open I hear right yes awesome can't wait to go yeah I don't they're going to be talking about property they don't know they're wasting their time if the developers will be talking about
property that they don't they're going to be wasting they're talking about property they own eight and a half acres on Gildogs right okay so I don't know what I mean other than them being in talks with everybody else's property I don't know where they're at that but they they own 8 and a half acres that
they're actively looking at development. You you'll get an update for us, right? Yes. Off. Thank you, sir. 10:30 on Wednesday meeting. I think you're you're on it. Okay. So, actually at the council meeting Tuesday, I can bring back anything we find out. Anything else from
the Florida legislature? Any updates here? Um well, I'll go ahead and and since you asked, I'll you may have seen it. Um, so we had um we went with the request back before everything started for 10 million different things. Um,
what came out of the original set of the budget was uh 4.3 million was in there. We had $400,000 on the House side and we had a for the firetruck we had 800,000 on the Senate side for the fire truck. We had $2.5 million for uh replacing the
water pipes on the Senate side as well as a million dollars for rehabilit rehabilitation of the lift stations on the Senate side. Um those budgets when they came in they were about $4 billion apart. Obviously Mike has been working that um you know Bob myself and you went
up there with with Mike and and met with with Hooper and and Joerger and and others. And so that process has got elongated. Obviously they have decided last week on a budget. So they they've reduced that down and they've they've done their horse trading and so our the
total 800 2.1 and one for a total of $4.3 million was approved in that budget. Um that now gets packaged up and goes to the governor. Um if the governor signs that city be getting $4.3 million in appropriation. Wonderful. That's great. Um so obviously keep that in your
prayers. Um it's uh it's we've we've we've we've achieved the hard part. I said once it gets across Governor's Day to veto that as a line item or whatever, then we we get that 4.3 million to be included in our upcoming budget. So So
good news on that. Fantastic. Excellent. Anything else? Pretty well spent. Absolutely. Yeah, I think we paid uh $32,000 for the year for Mike to be a lobbyist and uh we bring back $4.3 million of that. It's a huge uh Can we
do that again next year? Uh well, the goal is is to continue to obviously keep Mike on staff. Um we may need to look at um adjusting his contract obviously, but um the uh um because year-to-year contract, but yeah, you sign him up for long term for that year to year. We want
you know because at the beginning when we hired him, there was no guarantee we get anything. That's one of my big concerns is the water supply lines are deteriorating in the city especially on well we limestone sunset that's 60 60 $70 million I believe over 10 years
right Darl water supply lines approximately throughout the city how much it cost the plant it's about four times right to just redo the whole system rule of thumb do you know what went in that $2.5 million thing he
submitted because that was replacing the water supply lines for the budget the city. Yeah, it's just where we're having a bunch of breaks and stuff that I just replace some of the old galvanizing aspest line. So, is it I don't remember it being an isolated area. I just thought it was in general. Yeah, it was
throughout the city just because we have some asbesus lines on Green Street. We got some on bridge right here. We got some on some galvaniz. [Music] So the good news is is that we didn't have any money for that, right? And so
if the governor signs this, we will have $2 and a half million dollars to start replacing it. Something's better than we just got to pick a side and go instead of jumping around, right? And the cost of a lot of it can be directional drills. So a lot of open
directional drill a lot of it. So worry about tearing driveways and everything also. There was driveways, roads. There was a study that was being done about the asbestous lines. Did that ever get completed and the results ever be displayed? It was lead and copper. Lead and copper. That's what lead and copper.
So we submitted the report. Um we were allowed to have a certain number of unknowns which we submitted those and DP hasn't said nothing back to us yet. So right now well the benefit of that report is it'll
help us to assess how much of this correct problem we have and then there's potentially grants available for to correct that issue. Yeah. It's not more or less the main lines, it's the service lines with the leading copper. So, um,
we pull we pull samples throughout the city every year through lead and copper. And we've only had one house. It's the one right there at uh, Chapel and before you get to Washington, that old
house, it's from like almost 1800s or whatever. Uh that's the only one where we exceed we exceed our um but we pull it throughout our system and majority of the leading copper stuff is all internal because we make the people I don't know if you guys if you
guys are on that list at all it's raining throughout the city. So what you got to do is your first grab in the morning soon as you turn the water on first thing you fill the bottle up close it send it outside we come get it we send it off. So, it's all done internally in the people's house. It's not outside at our actual service line.
So, we determine which ones have copper. Um, most of our lines have been replaced. It's all customer base related. So, if we exceed that, it's up to the state to determine who's responsible from replacing from the meter box to the house.
Yeah, that would be a good uh basis for you know one of your monthly reports that um you know where you come in and present your data what's going on in your department you know department presentation could we use the RA money to help homeowners do that they're
responsible basically for water connection stuff meter to the house I don't believe I don't believe CRA money could help with that meter to the house is on the homeowner It is right and that's where the problem it's also included. So if it's on since they
draw it from their stuff even though it's not coming from our distribution system we it still exceeds our threshold our threshold no matter what. So at that point there we step in and replace the launch to their house. It's whatever the state comes back with what they want to do with it because a certain amount if
you if you exceed a certain percentage then you have to replace it. Right now we don't exceed that. So, we would be going into people's houses replacing lines. No, straight to the meter box to the house. That's why when when you dig it up, they want a foot dug before the
meter box and a foot dug after the meter box, which I don't get why we have to go on the customer's side because if they have a break on their side, we're not going to go out and fix it because it's private property. But it's that's what this part of the state guidelines was for the EPA. EPA, right? Because that portion
connects into our service, right? Our meter. Yeah. which probably So, how do you sample on the other side of the meter? It's the grab. It's the grab sample. What we're supposed to what the uh state DP and the EPA wants us to do. It's part of the letting copper
sampling. But, but you grab it first grab first morning. The we drop it off at the customer's house. The customer grabs it out of the out of their out their faucet. But that's coming through their line and our line. Correct. But if our lines are just say PVC up to the
meter and then they have lead pipe from the meter to their house make our results go higher. Right. So you almost have to test before and after the meter to assess whether you're getting where the problem is. No, I don't disagree. That's just is what D and E wants done.
Well, their information's skewed. Yeah. It sounds like it. They're about as good as So maybe we can maybe we can get that committee to address that. Yeah, we try. It's done all over the United States. I know. Well, yeah, it's a lot for for
small cities, you know, you got identified. We got 3,500 connections. All right. So, there's no way we were going to get 35 connections verified within a year without hiring a firm in here, which was going to cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. So, we did what we were allowed for unknowns, right, to
be done. So, okay. And there's a certain percentage if we did I'll throw Westport out there for example. There's probably 500 connections in Westport. Um, we don't had to do 2% of Westport to to meet the requirement. So, my PVC meter
to the house and I've got filters all through the house. But what's under in my slab is nasty. And that's something that's that we that's the difficult part that no one's gone. it is is we only send out um it's like
01% of iron actually goes out to the city. So when people have these filters, they're supposed to take it out. The filters are supposed to take it out the people that put the RORO's or whatever little systems they have at their house, it's supposed to take out. So if your filters are red and your filters are, it's the filters and everything are
doing their job, what they're supposed to do. But um a lot of these homes, like Bob just said, they're galvanized. They're they're lead, they're copper, they're whatever. And when a jolt of air comes through that shakes them galvanized lines through and it lets the rust come through you know and we test
for all that. So if our our water was bad it come back in our samples. All of our samples come you get salt water flooding too. Yeah it's a lot of water complaints are from galvanized from galvanized lines. Well,
well, one thing. So, in anticipation of that two and a half million for the water pipes and a million for the lift stations, if you all could be looking to get that because as soon as that money comes in, I want to deploy that capital. And the reason for that is is I want the legislators to see that, hey, as soon as
you're given to us, we're putting it back in the community. So, as we ask for continued funding, they see that we're being good stewards of that. I don't want to be sitting on it. So, that helps down the road. Yes. So, we got 500,000 set for old post main to be replaced, I believe. Right. Set aside. Yeah.
$500,000 we have set aside for the the main the 10inch main on old post to be replaced all the way down to uh treadway treadway and uh something discussing. I don't know if he put that in budgeted this year. Can you confirm that? I don't know if Matt put I don't
know. It's on it's I saw it on the budget. The only thing on Old Coast Road that I put on this year because Matt was doing something with the water was uh redoing the hiking bike. Redoing that. Talking about the asphalt. What about the uh what about the lift
station uh fencing in front of the park waterfront park to get it replaced? Yeah, we're going to work on that. I don't know why it going to be white. Yeah. You see the ones we're putting around the city? They look awesome. They they actually look nice versus like Yeah.
But that's what we've been doing been doing white fencing. Nice job. Get it done. What you saw Bob with old. I don't know. I don't know if Matt put something with because I know we had discussed that water line, right? Redoing it for when the development the proposed development
came. to do it before they develop it to that corner. And we had talked about you were going to do some drilling. We were going to run it down to like a bridge and uh treadway and then we were going to just put a hydrogen on the end of it. Yeah. Put a hydro until we could get
that main going across the river across the bridge. Y and getting that approved with DOT is going to take a while. Like to get started on seeing what they can do to prove that we're going to need to do it. for that water main. Is it going
to go underneath the pack the walking hike thing or for that babush? So we don't have a big rideway right there and that hiking bike well the hiking bike just goes to uh waterfront
park. So where we're tying it in at is going to be after that. It's on the other side of waterfront. It's like right where uh the property line between where Gil Dogs had a waterfront park. That's where the tenants would start at and pick up go down. So we wouldn't
touch the hiking bike to put that water line. So it wouldn't come this way. It would Yeah, it's going to go towards Passway. Okay. North almost from the intersection of Grandon Post to Pas what was it like 500 feet or something
like that? Is that something wise to do with the developer coming in there? And that's why I think we put a hold on instead of dropping 500 grand on something that's getting ready to be all changed up. Well, two, obviously, whatever they're going to do, there's going to be impact fees that are going to help fund some of
that infrastructure development there. So, if they wanted you kind of put it on the developer to to upgrade your system for you because that because they're the ones going require a lot more water down there than so that's obviously impact fees cover some of that. So, I think even if it's not in the budget, did you
find anything? I don't see. Yeah, I had seen an $800 unless it's in our fiveyear plan and maybe Yeah, it could be. I believe there's nothing there's nothing there's no $500,000 budget for that. But obviously there's things we need to
be looking at because they're going to have to do when they come in do that they're going to have to do capacity analysis on the on the stations anyway to see if they can even hold what we what we have you know same with the water mains
needed to fire in. They are extending 600 all the way down to there's a question earlier about the uh the Grand Boulevard uh improvements. Do we have money set aside for that?
Um that's something that's going to be when's that going to go to bid? You know as soon as I get the information from the engineer. So we haven't received that yet. So, did the DOT approve the permits or whatever it was? They the
last time that I talked to the engineer, the the FDOT made some comments on, you know, revisions for the permit. The engineer made those revisions and sent it back. So, we've not yet final. Once we get final approval, then we
create the bid packet and get it out. Bid process goes for 30 days. 30 days. So, in the next couple months, we could potentially be hire somebody to start that. That's what I thought we had money to budget for
that. Does that include the speed bumps? Where is that? That's That's the safe streets program they're looking at. I know that's still dragging and on and on and on. People ask. So, do we have an update on
that? uh out probably give us update. Do you have an update on the safe street stuff that I actually sent a email out today for to get the final uh they're supposed to be, you know, finishing the final plan? Okay. So, they should be coming back to council with that report soon. Oh, yeah.
That that'll go back to council for final approval. So, we should hear on that soon as well. That's why I'm waiting on Adam to Well, how's the traffic on Washington Street? Are they keeping it under 70 or
sometimes? Didn't we reduce the speed on that? No, that was Congress. They're drag race down there. I mean, it's Oh, they fly down. So, I did notice issue some speed bricks. that uh recently. So, Pasco
passed that Congress change to 45 to 35 and then month and a half, two months ago, they finally changed the sign. So, it's 35 there. If you have a speeding problem on Washington, why would we not? So, we we've been talking about speeding issues
in the city for a while now. We we bought two uh those not we got trains too but we bought two permanent signs for Opost down by Mhm. um Bay. So the question is any feedback? What
what we'd like to see is some feedback from that and then if if it's positive then I think we could probably buy a couple more for Washington. I don't think a sign will help anything whatsoever. We'd be surprised actually. It's they it's Yeah. the first time they see it.
Police presence over there once in a while. Tag a few people. That would help. But you know the stop sign there at that new development, the Keys would that's a four-way now. Al. No, that's not a four-way stop. Aldo. No, it's not. It should be. You got Aldo runs straight across Washington
there. So people going right into that subdivision off Aldo. I mean, our main skating streets are Old Post, Bay, and Washington because they're the longest, the straightest. Yeah, those those are our three streets that are that are the worst. How difficult would it be to put a four-way stop sign there? I don't see
a lot of speeding up on Bay Boulevard or Coast. So many people say differently. I mean, I travel with every So, and so that's that's another uh thing about the the visual readouts is tracks everything. Well, hear me out. So, if you're out in
your yard and you're within eyesight of that and you perceive a car speeding down your road, when you look up, you also see what the speed is and you can think, "Oh, I guess he wasn't speeding." Because I know that a lot of people perceive speed differently. And so, if
they if you have that visual there, that actually informs the public what the actual speed is as well. So it's it's it it helps uh show you your behavior as your driver, but as a resident, you also see what you're perceiving is whether it
be true or not. So that's Well, I'll give that a lot of you'll see you'll see it and come off the accelerator. Yeah. I mean, it's it's not the end all sale, but anything you can do to help bring that behavior in line as as less of intrusive as possible because nobody
likes speed bumps, right? I mean that'll slow you down if you but nobody likes your coffee too. Exactly. So if we can and and maybe that's the next approach if we could have I know we get data on those speed signs, right? If we kind of look at that data and see how that is.
Maybe reach out to a couple of the residents on uh ost Betty Betty Lou Cumins I think was was one. um if we can reach out to her. Um I don't know if the other couple that live there
anymore, but um just kind of see if those help. If they are, you know, they're relatively inexpensive, I think they're good to have. And the thing with stop signs, Bob, is some people don't like them either because you're hearing the braking and you're hearing the acceleration. So those
houses that are right by it Oh, yeah. You know that they're they're hearing especially trucks or trailers or whatever. also suggested putting like a lot of municipalities will put a police car without a person in it. This park over there. Yeah, they had to move that
around. People will slow down when they see the police car makes me we need to get we need to get a mannequin in there. Got to pay insurance on that and all that other stuff. But I I mean I've thrown out suggestion. I think Washington Street is one of the worst and I and I when I did my ride
along, we actually did some speed enforcement on Washington. I think they do it on a regular basis in the evening or whatever. Um, so but obviously if we see spots we can and knowing it's bad is more reason to make sure those sidewalks are good on Washington, right? Yes. I
don't have any sidewalks on Grand, but it's not as bad. So the sidewalks of Washington really taken care of so people aren't coming out the street. On our side, I've seen a huge increase in enforcement and presence as well. Yeah. Um, so you know,
hats off to the to the guys here. They're doing a great job. That makes a big difference. Yeah, I think we definitely need to get the data back, look, and possibly put some more of those in because like I said, if it's there all the time, you know, people don't know if there's some other thing
behind the scenes going on with us. They they they hold data. Yeah, that was pretty cool, too. They do hold data and they tell you who's what time a day they're speed and all that stuff, right? But what the data doesn't do any good unless it's communicated and it's
been not communicated effectively. So we need to look at that. So it when you download the data it gives you the information and it literally can tell you hey the same person speeds like 1:00 a.m. you know 30 over. So then when they pull that data in all they can do is get
out there at 1 a.m. to park and boom they got them just like that. So it's that dialed in. And you're right, it has to be reviewed, but it's probably not hard to pull the high-speed data out of there, the ones that are, you know, 15 or more over. And I don't want to say we haven't been reviewing it. We haven't seen a council. Doesn't mean Frank
hasn't been here that long. Yeah. So, they're looking at it. We ought we ought to hear about it, though. The point is is if you're going to make a case for, hey, we're doing a great job. Let's hear about it. I'm sure. You know, we'll bring it up to Frank next meeting because he's hadn't been here
that long. I'm sure he's working on it. Hey, have they been They haven't been in there a year yet, have they? No. No, they haven't. Six months, maybe? Six, eight months. And one of them was broken for a while. Yeah, we got that fixed. Yeah. So,
anything else? Motion to second. Motion second. All in favor signify by saying I. Bob look like he's going to say