thank you by the way great no I'm good recording in progress thank you by the way recording in progress Thank You by way and you said it had them in the room yeah they had s directional m
actually you ought to give them a call down there and ask them what they who they what's expens 60 Grand yeah all right I would like to call to order of the me meeting of the Planning and Zoning Board it is now thir it's not Thursday Tuesday
Tuesday uh February 11th and it is now 1:09 p.m. please stand for the [Music] pledge the United States of America to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with
liberty and justice for all can have a room call please chairman Sean P here member Randy stout here member Lori Simpson let the record show that member Lorie Simpson is absent for today's meeting member Michael FZ here member Ronald McDonald here City
attorney Nancy Meyer here perfect thank you all right is there any discussion more motion regarding the board minutes from our meeting back on 9:17 God I can't believe we're just doing that if not I will entertain a motion we
have no comments or questions I move to accept the minutes like the meeting the Planning and Zoning Board it is now thday Tuesday Tuesday February 11th and it is now 10
nember 172 a second all in favor thank you very much indivisible withy and Justice
today your public we have we have any any uh comments on the general public not regarding what we're discussing today yeah good okay all good uh what about the board anybody from the board or we going to just jump into it all right let's just jump into it agenda today we are Miss Nancy I am going to go
right ahead and hand it over to Miss Miss Tammy Miss Tammy okay good afternoon Tammy ver ver Consulting Safety Harbor your pH call city planner and today we're going to talk about the comprehensive Plan update
in response to the city's 2023 evaluation and appraisal report okay anding up my slides here my goodness [Music] gracious and what I'm gonna do is um a little bit of a
refresher um I came to you guys in December of 2023 and did a little bit of a a primer on comprehensive planning so I thought that maybe we just do a real quick go through like what a comprehensive plan is and the components and why we do it without spending too
much time because I know you have a lot of things you want to discuss relative to the um proposals in front of you so let's go ahead and get started so one oh okay
there we go let's see if it works oh yeah I think you're gonna have to okay just go to the next one so in the State of Florida we have a community planning act which is chapter 163 part two of Florida Statutes and in the part
two of that act it um or in part two of chapter 163 it sets forth the requirements for comprehensive planning um by all local governments in the State of Florida next please so the app um outlines the
requirements for local government comprehensive plans how to make comprehensive plan amendments uh the growth management requirements and part of that including the concurrency management system for your public facilities levels of service it also
calls for intergovernmental coordination mechanisms and then engaging the public in decision making regarding growth and development in your community next please so the comprehensive plan is a written adopted long range plan usually
a period of 10 although now it's 20 years it is establishes the shared Vision um of the desired future by the community it sets forth goals objectives and policies for growth and development it's intended to protect your valued
places and promote economic prosperity in the community and it's implemented through city regulations City budgeting and decision making so day-to-day decision making as well as um periodic
decision- making on plans and whatnot the purpose of the comprehensive plan um I won't spend too much time on this but you know addresses Housing and Community Development sustainable development Environmental Protection public health and safety land use management adequate
public infrastructure Economic Development and then again Community engagement next please the required elements of a comprehensive plan are listed on the slide my little arrows I guess I could you hit
it one more time s let's see what pops up oh okay there you go so this slide shows the required elements to the left future land use Transportation housing conservation Coastal management public
facilities Recreation and open space intergovernmental coordination and Capital Improvements uh there's also a public school facility element uh which is not required anymore and then there's a possibility of optional elements some communities have an economic development
element or historic preservation element so that's optional each one of these elements contains data and Analysis that looks at existing conditions projected conditions over the 20-year period when you're going to increase your uh
population conceivably and then from that to identify needs needs relative primarily to your public facilities and services but also Land Management um and then also importantly it includes adopted goals objectives and policies of
the city and included in that is your future land use map which you're very familiar with the future year Transportation maps and the fiveyear schedule of Capital Improvements and that is the schedule that indicates uh what you're doing relative to
Investments to resolve any level level of service deficiencies next please so with the comprehensive plan when you're doing a more robust overall and this is something that you might get into later on down the road is to look
at the vision where are we now where are we going what is our vision for the future and how do we get there so the comprehensive plan is about how do we get there it's the starting point so the the role of the planning
zoning board is in drafting the plan and any uh major plan amendments that as a local planning agency in the statute facilitating public input at your meetings monitoring and evaluating the
plan over time and then importantly implementing the plan so looking at proposals and consistent with a comprehensive plan and then using that information in your decision making which is your recommend to the city
council so every seven years the state requires that the comprehensive plan be evaluated under a concept called the evaluation and Appraisal review in 2023 the city conducted its review and it identified the following elements for um
having needed changes to maintain consistency with the state statutes and we're going to go over those in in a little bit we start we went over those last time as well so go to the next one so these actually have the element
at the top and the proposed um changes to the policies relative to what was identified in the evaluation and Appraisal review um and I don't want to spend too much time on these because I did them last time and maybe you're more familiar with them than you were then so
but this one just relates to um naming us19 as a facility on the state's strategic inter modal system next please the next one requires that there be a policy related to recreational
traffic next please this one is changing the level of service standard for portable water facilities Supply and infrastructure which was 105 gallons per day per capita but based on the new
water supply facilities work plan that the city manager prepared um the city is uh comfortable with reducing that level of service standard uh down to 96 gallons per day per capita which is a a good
thing next pleas the next one is just touching on the requirements of that uh 10-year water supply facilities work plan and corresponding the update of those plans with with the southwest Florida Water
Management District Regional water supply plans so it's just kind of process related and the next one is intergovernmental coordination which required that dispute resolution processes not be voluntary but they be
mandat Anda Bay Regional planning Council um has a dispute resolution process so in the event that local governments come to odds on a particular thing and they need to have some help um sorting it the process there next
please and then this kind of gets into that so there's the procedure there's the regional process for conflict resolution and uh they just bring these policies up to date from your existing policies next is concurrent or Capital
Improvements element um so in this particular we just did a little refresh there's no such thing as rule 9 J5 flid Florida administr code anymore so uh just a little bit of a housekeeping there and the next one shows that uh
level of service uh change from 105 gallons per day per capita to 96 as I mentioned before and then the next one is um again just kind of updating your um concurrency management system policy to
directly reference the section of the statute doesn't really change any oh this take out Financial feasibility there's no longer requirement that a comprehensive plan plan be financially feasible so pull that
out does anybody have any questions about those before we jump into the the meat of the matter your comprehensive Plan used to be accounting you know it's like there's needs and you need to identify how you're going to resolve the need and
then you need to be able to within your fiveyear schedule of capital projects um how you're going to resolve that there's no longer a financial feasibility there State's not I mean that's you know I guess it's what you guys are handling at your local level the state's not saying
you need to be financially feasible but the state is saying that you need to maintain your level of service standards whatever you adopt you need to be able to show that you are maintaining you're not dropping below what you what you've established as your level of service
standards for some reason the legislature decided that they didn't want that Financial feasibility clause in there so they pulled it out it's a long time ago this was done not recently probably 2011 I'm
thinking no was following it to begin with so they just took it out because you know who was spending the kind of money that the comp so there's also a requirement in the statute that you update your schedule your um schedule of Capital Improvements every year and you
submit it to the state you go through a process it's pretty straight line but you know a lot of times it's not done some communities do it some want to do it but they don't get around to it and the other ones probably just don't even
know that we're supposed to do it so so for a future plan you don't show how you pay basically for something well you you need you need to I mean as a as the uh city leaders need
to make sure that what they're expended expending has the budget to pay for it and that they're maintaining their level of service standard so yes there's still a requirement there but it's not coming down from on high okay so the next is the conservation and
Coastal management element update next please so there were five goals and each goal has is this automatic I wonder if it's gonna be automatic no hopefully not five goals and each goal has a set of objectives and then there's a set of
policies so I'm not going to go through each policy because there's a lot and I'm hoping that you have had a chance to review and have some questions for me today for some input but I'll go through the first oops is it automatic I just oh
okay can you go back to the sorry okay so the first uh goal is regarding natural and cultural resources um it's required by State Statute that the city have a strategy as to how it's going to conserve natural and cultural
resources the objectives uh related to this goal are ecosystem preservation habitat protection air quality water conservation energy conservation cultural resources protection and
Waterfront uses and Public Access and these objectives the subject matter comes directly from the statute next please the next goal is relative to Coastal resiliency and this was a big part of why we really dug into the
coastal and uh conservation and Coastal management element is because the city needed to to have What's called the Peril of flood policies um after I think it was in 2023 that the vulnerability assessment and the adaptation plan were
adopted there was sufficient information to show that there was a need for these um Coastal resiliency policies we use that data and also the recommendations from that adaptation plan in the policies that you see within the plan
also I want to point out that largely the policies that have been that are in your packet have been sort of carried over and updated from your existing comprehensive it's a new set it would actually be a repeal of the old set and the replacement of the new um but there
is a legacy of what you've had on the books already as well as what was recommended uh during that vulnerability assessment and adaptation plan process so in this this particular goal holster resiliency the objectives are risk
assessment and mapping so making sure that you're keeping up with the the threats and the vulnerabilities of the community because they're changing over time uh to look at your public infrastructure vulnerabilities your natural flood protection because there's
a lot that the natural environment does to help you withstand the forces of uh sea level R and uh severe storms land planning and regulation so that you keep U development out of harms way and lives
out of Harm's Way building standards so making sure that you're building to withstand uh those forces and then finally risk financing and insurance such as your National flood insurance program next
please the third goal is emergency preparedness and evacuation and the objectives under this are emergency preparedness and emergency evacuation next please the fourth goal is post disaster
Redevelopment so in this um under this goal we have the objectives the post disaster recovery so getting things back together as quickly as possible so people can carry on their lives post disaster repair and development so a little bit longer term so you know when
you're going back to go rebuilding uh replacing you know are you are you doing that in a resilient Manner and then the post disaster Redevelopment plan so um actually having a plan that goes through all the the different check
boxes of what you need to have in place uh to be able to re rebuild in a more sustainable and resilient Manner and the last goal thanks Al for doing this is community engagement and Partnerships
because it's very important as you all know um that you know when when the community is planning when the community is responding and when the community is rebuilding that you have the um the energy and the input um the out the
perspectives the uh insights of of all members of the community and also your partners because it's uh it's difficult to do everything on your own and we really reach out to um our partners um and and help support Partners in in times of
need and so with that it's not really the end but I'm going to go ahead and open up my version of the or my copy of the policies and I would ask for any input that you have any questions if you
see something that is missing if you see something that you feel isn't important and we don't need it um you know this is your document and so want is responsive to you know we did work with the comprehensive land use
plan committee over the last um year and uh we've got some good input from that group so uh but this is your your shot to make it your own I have a general question
okay throughout the whole document using the words promote say encourage NS support NS partner so what are we committing to
different so when you when you say the city shall promote because each policy the top says the city sh there's a little CLA that tells you how to use that that document is that those are things that you're going to be conscious of or you're going to use that
information for perhaps allocating dollars to a program down the road so really this is the the vision the aspirations of the community there's a few cases where it says the city shall do this you shall maintain your level of
service standards you shall you know um use your future land use map to make land use decisions but in a lot of cases it's just a sort of a a nudge in the right direction and to keep a placeholder for things the community would like to to see so for instance if
the community would like to see living shorelines instead of having um you know the The Hardscape seaw walls maybe over time to replace those with living shorelines so that might be a an aspiration and also when you have
policies related to that encourage promote support you can also use that information to help you get grants so for instance you want to go to this to University of Florida and get a grant for having a team of people come in and design and install a living Shoreline
this shows that there's a commitment that it's been so important to the community that they've adopted in their comprehensive plan that's different from support they're it's just different words I mean you're supporting you're encouraging we
could say support support support but we just they're it's not a um it's just different words we have we have a lot of words we can use so I'm just trying to make sure we're not committing ourselves to different
things like turns to you shall right and I think what you brought up last month is that you were looking at what does this mean in terms of commitment for the community and so it's if it turns out that something is owner and you cannot
do it first of all I don't think that anybody's going to come from the state to say did you encourage those living shorelines no they're not going to do that so it's really your internal document your planting your seeds of
what you would like to see happen within your community to have your decision makers as such as yourself and your city council be able to look at those things and say this is what's important to this community and and and maybe as a
resident you could come forward and say this is in your comprehensive plan I would really like us to do this and I'm willing to help in some manner organize whatever somebody's making a application for permit and that maybe it says
encourage the use of planning pal make and you guys I'm not don't want plant palm trees right palm trees so what they would say is typically when I've been involved in these things they'll say where is that written in your code
right so then we'd say well there's really not written in the code but he might say or she might say that I am and I want to be a partner with this community in my development and if the community says that they would like to have a palm tree what I can do a palm tree instead
of another kind of tree so it's really a way of conveying what's important to your community so not only your your elected officials your boards um your residents but also the people people come in to do business and say Hey you know I want to be a partner and I want
to be able to do otherwise you're you have no information right you come in and you're just you're doing what you do but so no you would not hold somebody or over a barrel or two if if I could add to that so one the first thing is kind
of bring it to an item that you've been talking about in the past and that's the seaw wall updates to the ordinances um if have in in your uh comprehensive plan that the city wants to look at
alternatives to The Hardscape right um that's your opportunity in in crafting that new language to try to incentivize the use of these other technologies that may further and Advance what the the comprehensive plan is so that that's
like one way that that this can can work with you to develop new new laws right you should as you look at changing your codes look back at your comprehensive say what what was our goal what what was it we were trying to create the second
way is again something that you're going to be dealing with in the future when a developer comes in and says I want to do this PUD you know that's an opportunity for you to look at your goals that you've adopted through the comprehensive plan and you know using your palm tree
example you know the the city wants to see 10 times more palm trees and the developer has you know all oak trees you can say Hey you know we want to see more palm trees according to our comprehensive plan so how about you know we we CH change some of these out and
and so it's a way that you can help negotiate you know with the developer to achieve the goals that that you have you know you have that you need more con you know land conserved for natural uses well you know what do doing with
this five acres here well not going to do anything how about we we do a conservation easement so we can conserve this which meets one of our goals related to uh improving our our CRS points um that's something you can do but if you didn't have it in your
comprehensive plan you may not think about it so it's it's a way it's a tool I guess for a like better word for you to put together when you sit down with those uh developers to achieve things you may not be able to achieve otherwise
it it seem seems to me like it's it's it's there to level out the the ups and downs of new boards so say two years from now this is a completely different board and they want
to change somebody comes in and wants to change without this document someone comes in and says I want to build such and such and we don't have a vision then it's up to the people sitting here to decide if that's a good idea for Port Richie or not versus this has had so
many people touch it that it's a large scale the community is giving us a vision and we're just trying to help adopt that so that as we move forward when someone does come in and go I want to build such and such somewhere we can look back at this document and go the
community wanted fewer car washes and more palm trees what you whatever whatever the vision is that surrounds that thing and that levels out the this particular four people want to build something this way and then the next four people want to build something this way and then we end up with really like
some of the places you've pointed out where we have some development when we didn't have guidance and we've got a lot of different things going on in one neighborhood along one street because there wasn't a guidance document for that this is kind of like giving us a lens with which to make sure that we're
we making decisions and then we don't have to worry about people coming in and going well you just decided you wanted to do that no I it really didn't the city of Port Richie decided this five years ago that this was kind of what we wanted to do and that way we all as a group can sit down and go hey look we're trying to do what was asked we're trying
to get to that and the council can too and that way it's not and also make sure that we don't end up us making a decision and then Council wants to make a completely different decision this gives us a way to all sit kind of on a here's what our vision is at least that's how I took it it's a starting
point it's something to build on it's something to Matt said to refer to um you we I heard uh what if if you don't have a vision any road will get you there so it really is it's it's a tool so that you can refer back to it say
this is what was important to the community when this plan was developed and continuity so it is it's a vehicle for continuity is what it is and we've utilized this multiple times you and I in particular for the last 20 years every time we do it when there's
something brought before us such as the the community that's on Washington Ava it had to meet the comprehensive plan and kind of make sure that it fell in line and we we we built off of that accordingly especially when it came to the table the parts where you kind of
the rubber hits the road are density and intensity so dwelling units per acre floor area ratio your level of service standards for your public facilities you know you get your land use Mount where things are designated on the ground and consist
comp compatibility with your land jues those are the things that that people who don't like a decision will grab on to and say we would like to challenge this but the other things that are kind of like the ideas Community would like to do this maybe they want to be more
you know have some Wildlife areas for future generations to enjoy or they want to make sure that they're doing things to help keep people uh safe during after storms and from um different types of threats you know those are certainly
laudable things that a comp plan can help you know it's almost like it's the first step you can go and say oh these are the ways that we can help us to be more resilient or these are the ways that we can make sure that we can evacuate our community safely if we need
to um but it's it's really high level it's it's not Land Development code or those sorts of things but right and I think if anything does seem like you you come up against something that you don't want to adopt you revisit this every seven years or sooner there's no limit
to how many times you can update your comp plan and you just simply erase it you know go through a process and delete it are you going to provide a loery of terms a good example is one of the big items you have there is affordable
housing as soon as you say that 90% of the people immediately think we're talking Section 8 and Loan and housing and not just housing that's affordable for like we just had this discussion I've got a developer that's interested
in doing tiny home development U mostly for retirees and firsttime home buyers starter homes the thing is that on our requirements right now uh I believe
a single family residential home has to be on a 4,000 square foot line with a minimum of th000 square feet H in a minimum of th000 square feet yeah and if we bring in a a tiny home developer and
he's got really you know nice 500 square foot units that have one bedroom one bath open area uh we're kind of restricted as to what is considered affordable housing is
that based and predicated on a number or on a a average of what community is what is the definition of affordable housing that's why on some of these things that we're talking about we almost have to have a glossery so we we
know what it relates to yes so if so whenever you get into your housing element that would be something that would be in the data and Analysis or even in a policy to say and there's typically some standards definitions for those things but you know you can put your own definition S as you know for
whatever for certain things um but certainly having um established a baseline understanding of what these terms mean um if not in the in the overall um world or in the community is
a is a good practice to do so well just like as you said a submission to the state has to address a lot of different issues from Intermodal travel to what housing is and that seems to be a really
vague definition to what are we talking about here we've gotta certainly comply with what our water system can handle if we're doing that and what are we going to be doing sewage lines U to make sure
that we can cope with what this is great great it was it was um in instrumental when we did the pro when we did the project on Washington Avenue I don't know if Tammy remembers
that but they were they didn't have pitchforks and and uh you know torches but it was pretty close and they were complaining that level of service didn't work was no there was no way that we could handle that we couldn't handle the water we couldn't handle the the Ingress egress
all those things and we lit did we referred back to the com this plan and said listen this Falls in line you can't fault the developer based off of what you leave when this is what our plan has already always been and accordingly we adjusted it during the building process
and when they went through their PUD process we added things we added fencing and did things like that they that wasn't listed here but it was a guide and that's what we used it for so yeah the suggestions there there's a lot of suggestable Clauses in there they were
key and it calm the actual it it gives you something to measure against when you have a standard and they were able to understand at that point too they didn't just think that somebody was just building something willy-nilly that didn't fit what they were trying to accomplish here because they lived over there in Candle Candlestick or whatever those place is called over there for the
longest time so it just kind of helps work through the minutia when this guy this document guides the developers that are looking at our community to see if when they're hunting for a piece of land to do something in and they're looking up and down the coast they want they're looking
at these in each Community to see where they a vision that what they want to build fits right then there also means that they're hopefully they're bringing when they're coming to showing up at at the zoning board or they're showing up at the building department they're showing up with something that has
already been designed to fit this so that it should fit pretty easily with minimal adjustment not just we want to build X and they don't have any guidance um you know that way we don't have to argue with them in a perfect world it's almost a
should be give a lure to the actual developer oh my God this is the city that actually has the plan that we're trying to accomplish what this is what the vision we want they seem like we're on the same path I mean we're dealing with a condo situation very similar right so it's it's you have to as long as the P the plans work together and the
more we can kind of narrow it down with Tammy's help it helps us out there is a benefit when you have some predictability in your community for somebody who's wanting to invest Y and that they can see what's been established as far as policies and
regulations and that they feel that their investment is going to be protected over time so I could say these terms are vague enough not to that's right sorry support encourage do you want to just pick up question
we yeah whenever you have a question we'll just we'll go through it I'll make notes a wide question the reducing the poble water to 105 so you need to have a use your standard to help you project out to what
your facility needs are and you look at what actual demand is so with with a little bit of a buffer because you don't want to just you don't want to uh develop your infrastructure to meet demand because sometimes you have to go above that you know it might be peak days or moments so the city looked at
its data and saw that it was actually using less per person per day and so they felt comfortable bringing that standard down do that apply to app their density or whatever how many
homes so so if someone came in and they said they wanted to build 100 homes I would say well in those 100 homes there's probably going to be 2.1 persons per home and then I figure out based on that St 96 gallons per day per capita how much water is going to be consumed
per day and so then we can go to the utilities department to say is there capacity can we allow this development to to go forward sounds like kind of automatically increasable number of the water the
only yeah but it's it's kind of being fair you know you don't want to necessarily you want to have enough to plan you don't want have it so Bare Bones that you're going to get to the end and you're not going to have enough Supply or facilities but that might and M you might want to say that 96 was
adding in some buffer because I think 80s so yeah right now we're rounding up we're at 80 we're 7 gallons per person right now and and in fact as we're starting the the work on looking at the new water
plant you know they're they're they're right now talking talking about setting that at at an amount less per day than what we're doing right now okay so that's to say that we're probably
well below what that 96 is um and will be for the foreseeable future um I you know you could say that it was picking number out of the air which pretty much it is but I looked at it and said you know if we had a large development
required a lot of water for whatever reason or or if we had two large manufacturing firms come into the city you know that number is going to change so we need to have enough capacity within there that we don't cut our shelves short um going forward so we
don't you know get in this situation like except for Hills where they wake up and well we can't can't bring any more development in because we have no more capacity and so having the number a little bit higher kind of forces that discussion on capacity sooner in in the
dialogue rather than later um and so that's kind of the thought process why it's 96 because you know I guess one way you could do is 105 plus 80 divide by two and that's what your number should be but but I think you know you should be making that conversation happen of
additional capacity long before you need to be talking about additional Capac they've stopped all residential permits complet because they want to focus 100% on Commercial so if you're trying to build something new that's a commercial or
manufacturing or industrial we're going to wave at you say come on in but if you want to put a new home in even a new single family home they won't give you a permit now so is that a philosophy that the city itself needs to take up front
say our goal is to encourage us to become more industrialized or do we have the ability to say well we prefer to keep ourselves more residential with less of that industrial impact that's more outside the scope of
what these amendments are I mean it's a good discussion to have but not one gerain to what what is in front of you right because those aren't the elements that brought Jeff Hill yeah yeah no no no no I understand it's a great a great conversation I think it's a conversation
that needs to be had um in a number of our areas I mean you know I'll bring up an action you took a couple meetings ago with you know rezoning a residential area to commercial you know that's that conversation there is you know do we
need more residential or do we need more commercial you know should we be looking at areas that that that are residential today but but you know are good uh transitional areas where maybe it should be you know commercial mixed use rather
than strictly residential right that's a great conversation to have and what it should be had because you know I think what what I see you know we use the term planning very Loosely at times um you know just just converting a property
from residential to commercial because someone asks for it um isn't planning right you know you need to look at it and say why why are we making this decision and and you know these plans are difficult to do they lost money to do and there's a lot of Engagement
because you know you want to be able to say this is what the community wants right and and when you make that change you know my first question is do we spend the same amount of time and effort on making that change as we did in
creating what we're changing and if the answer is no to me red flags right you know we need to look at that before we make those decisions so this is a great discussion one we definitely need to have probably greater than you know just residential commercial versus industrial
um but we need to have that conversation but unfortunately that's that's not this this particular topic unfortunately but it is a topic yeah it definitely is well I just was I I I met with the
uh developer uh in charge of Zephyr Hills and they were very they were very clear that oh we don't want any more residential we only need Industrial and Commercial industrial looking for jobs you know and it's like
what how you going to feed those jobs if you don't have housing for the people that are supposed to work in they have a lot of housing on the books that's where the water issue came in so there's a lot of housing they're doing fine on housing okay what's next I got more okay
keep going moving into the wetlands okay and the definition of a category one wet okay and item e the last one says wetes of any
size if it has threatened or endangered species would be considered a category one that's correct and so that actually came from your adopted comprehensive plan um and I think that that definition is used consistently even in Pasco
counties so uh but it would if you did show that there was a a species a sweaten species or Species of special concern in that area you would um need to look at that Wetland a little a little um
harder and that would also invoke some permitting with State and or federal agencies has man get threatened I think so I don't know threatened or spaces special concern I believe
so but they probably wouldn't be in that Wetland would they would be if they were they would yeah I mean I guess there's Coastal Marsh I don't know what they don't get up so far they're threatened
not endangered but threatened okay well they found some kind of plant let's say in know square foot area one bush Okay it would seems like it would stop everything yeah the one thing
that you have going for you or you don't have going for you is that a lot of the natural flora and fauna that you had were probably not really in abundance um in a in a very urbanized City so um but
there is the potential that some little Orchid or something pops up but I haven't heard of any any of that happening um in this region anyway so yeah I agree in this area probably not a problem but U I think before I mentioned that
was Los Angeles criminals fires and there's an article here about a particular shrug that was endangered or something and so they stopped all Rush control and Fire Control and everything
and that's one contribut you know one um this the scrub J I remember that was always a big thing with these developments of regional impact was but they were tend to be more in the like the well like the scrub areas like Beacon Woods Beacon Woods East up there
where it's kind of dry Zer but I think you might have they might indicate some scrub way in Port Richie but is there actually an observance of it I don't know like it was here probably at some point U would they find it if they did a biological survey today I don't I don't
think so probably not in stories where there would be a eagle nest on a property and so all a sudden the eagle nest and the eagle disappears and so they went on with construction
also can work the opposite way to go [Music] Turtle a real bad one if that whole line was eliminated what would happen Wetlands of any size providing critical
habitat I think that and this is not really like my strong area of expertise but I believe that with a category one Wetland it's of a significant size that you'd have to do a biological survey and if something was
found you'd have to contact the agencies and then they would so I I don't know that but it's Say in any I gu because the 40 ACR are larger um I don't to look into that one was that but that language though is
consistent with like Swift Mud and D though isn't it let me let me they're not you're not making a decision today right on this because it's okay so let me can I look into that and then find out what the implications would be if we took it out yeah I'm
curious yeah and you question like if there's state laws or federal laws or something like that say about an a dangerous species no matter what we do or say here or what
code and laws and everything right they're going to come on down house any I think I think if if it is you know founded within state law or sayate law me or something um you know something that when we submit this to them they
may have a careful eye to that and and especially I think Swift Mud would be the first one to the kind of blow on that the whistle on that because I'm thinking we talked about this before and I thought that language was kind of consistent with what they they say in
their wetlands and so it's going to be reviewed by them obviously with and we s it send it in so it may be something that they raise their hand and come back and say you need to do that I think the answer to your question though Trier question I think you're asking is we
don't right now have an inventory of what those are within our community and and I think that's that's an area of improvement we need to make with this is we need to identify not only those um environmental you know
biological you know plants and fish and all this other stuff but also from the standpoint of of archaeological history as well because those are the two things that usually catch developers off guard is they go through the review process
and oh you know that used to be an Indian burial mound there and and then all of a sudden everything gets stopped but if we do those things up front we know and we can help guide them so there's not that gotcha that that they ultimately fill and kind of slow down or
stop velopment all together so I think there's a solution to the issue if if we have those surveys done we know already where where it's at when the developer comes in listen we know those what what's the
tortois goer yeah yeah we know that they're they're in that area you're going to find it in your planning you better start thinking about how you're going to deal with and the same thing with the wetlands I mean you know we had uh developers coming in it's looking at
the criman property there off of Richie Road right and you know they have substantial Wetlands on that and they knew up front that they were going to have to deal with those wetlands and we didn't even have to say anything to them they they've already started looking at that and what they have to do but you
know if there was something more there instead of just Wetland if it was the the was the brush J or whatever scr scrub J you know we'd be able to say oh by the way we also know that that area has this particular bird you need to be
thinking about that as you come together and in those pre-planning pieces that's valuable to them because you know they can figure it out but if it's at the last minute during you know them sitting in front of you and it's brought up that you know that you know whatever it is is
there now all of a sudden they spend a lot of money and it just brings everything to a so I mean there's ways I think to address that um that we need to do regardless of whether that language is in there or not because it will get caught somewhere and I think just to be thinking that if you're if you did
identify a rare threatened and dangered species special concern in your community would you want to do something to in a wetland I'm not I'm not saying I'm against in danger species or anything I'm just saying Al it says any size all sudden any size is any size
right right right so so that kind of kind of scary so really the only the only thing is is that you wouldn't necessarily be able to bulldo that Wetland just F fill it in what you probably don't want to do as a lowline flooding type of community you want to
have those sponges as many sponges as you can have in your community you need to hang on to those sponges and so I think if you had a scrub J you wouldn't be living in a wetland because they're like dry Upland Birds but if you have that you want to say well that's
probably a good reason to protect that w so you really have to think about what the impact is in this community and you don't really have a lot of natural areas left and you don't as far as your Wetland it's mostly like your Coastal
marsh land right and those are large those are the big ones but I'll I'll look into it further and have a better answer for you next time what's next ry's at a run go Ry keep going check marks lot ofif
for let's see navigable waterways um what's the number of that one DCM 1.1.8 okay you dealing with dredging seek federal state and County
funding for the dredging and removal of sediment and debris from Miller value and all canals within the city to restore a minimum depth of 4T below mean sea level that was in your adopted plan so that's something we've been doing anyways last 20 years we we felt we didn't want to touch that one because
it's it's I know working with the city since the 90s and how important those that drudging was to the keep seeking how about boat traffic 1.2.1 one
point2 I provide provide Marine Patrol to Monitor and regulate boat traffic in order to protect Wildlife prevent shoreline erosion and promote the sustainable use of marine and freshwater resources is that a sh provide yeah it's it shall be the policy
of the city to provide and this from your comp plan already to provide Marine patrols to Monitor and regulate that's an existing that's a legacy poliy do you think that you do provide Marine Patrol correct don't you have through your I've
seen once every six months water I mean if you're enforcing your wake your wake uh what do you call it no no W zones that's part of that for
okay and as Matt has said before doesn't say anything as long as you just do it one time or whatever it doesn't there's no stipulation about the amount of a nice vote no or be
24 hours we're not we're not having a spec sheet here it's just a a general Community keep those shorelines from eroding okay back to the
biological biological survey okay 1.2.6 got it require a biological survey by qualified professional for all Parcels over five that's also from your existing comp plan so that's been in and that's just
case in point that Matt brought up we had an applicant come in had their property was 10 acres or oh is it that big and they had already done their biological survey it's just a matter of course I think when they're putting their doing their due diligence they don't want to be held
up down the way the land owner they have we don't have that many partials left either they qualifies that yeah half a dozen maybe I could think of three off the top of my head
four yeah off this is over five yeah so you have Bay Boulevard yeah about half a dozen I think okay 1.2
absolutely yeah 1.2 1.2.10 living shorelines okay this is a promotion okay but some time ago a few months back we were discussing seaw walls and all this
kind of stuff and one of the questions I had was about rip wrap because it the way I understood to read is it was saying rip WP would be against code that didn't make any sense to me and that's and then the same
s almost says we're going to have environmental friendly waterways and so this so this is a contradict what we were talk this just promote because so we've we've learned from the last few years of storm events that the living
Shor lines have worked so in like the Cedar Key area they they've really held their own so there's a lot of evidence to support living shorelines are they appropriate in every location are they cost feasable in every location I don't know that detail but I
think it's it's worth indicating that if the community like moving towards a living Shoreline solution which is a green natural solution is ideal but if it's got to work in the context it has to work with the code and I know you guys worked on those standards so
probably that's looking at what is allowed in the city as opposed to what the city might want to promote in the future and I think again this is maybe a definitional what is a living Shoreline
is a living Shoreline a bunch of rocks or is it a bunch of rocks with you know Green um plants or I just lost the word I yeah mro would definitely be that um and so I
think that's where you know living Shoreline probably isn't just a bunch of rocks there's more to it than that and and I I think you know a lot a lot of issues I ran into in other communities I've been in where rip wrap was put down one man's rip wrap is not another man's
rip wrap right one man's rip wrap is you know the sidewalk I broke up out in front of my house and another is going out and getting a natural rock that's consistent with the area it's going to be there and not wash away and so it it's again it's going to be a definitional thing and how you and
that's that's again we we'd have something in our our uh comprehensive plan that is you advance you know what are we going to do with these Shore lines we can then put in the the actual
development code this is what we mean and you define you know that way that you want to Define it remember we never did we come back that I see that April right if this is in play here
then we say we can't prove that aspect of the of this plan that's a beautiful word that that's like Tammy said that's the beautiful thing with the word promote I think the issue would be if you say prohibit living Shor code corre but
right now it's an option it's a solution it's has you know application somewhere perhaps in the city um but as long as you're saying that it doesn't conflict with a land develop Z I think to have it in here is probably worth well since it
is effective it does create habitat you know it slows down the forces of waves and it it actually okay good me too that's why I'm advocating for it this is just another question vehicle
emissions 1.3.1 okay the supporting question support the adoption of cleaner Transportation options do that you
know that I know I hear again um I suppose that you know supporting the adoption of cleaner Transportation options could be installing electrical vehicle charging stations in your community if this is
something that's not important to the community um I know as somebody who drives an EV I go to places and I spend my money like it's Gerald's downtown Newport Richie because they have a charger out front um it is a way of promoting economic activity in your
community that's that's one aspect of it but if you feel strongly that you don't want to do that then I think that that wouldn't hurt to take it out we we we we we allowed uh golf carts in the city that's one of the ways for instance that is a cleaner Transportation corre yeah
which is why we did that we utilized that for [Music] that that's a different issue that's a talk to M about that one later but if we were supporting cleaner Transportation options we would probably use that as a
well you know what's the cleaner Transportation option walking so if you had a a development such as your what's potentially coming into Cody River Landing it's going to be very connected and walkable that's that provides for cleaner Transportation options people
can walk out and get on a bus so there's a lot of ways that you could look at this add golf cart parking spaces things like that absolutely bike bike racks all those things even the walking path between which our community you have this in your comprehensive plan when
they come forward to do the Pud these are all things can say hey know what are you doing to meet this goal right or for instance with the development on the 20 Acre Site that's coming in when we looked at that preliminary concept you
know we thought hey is there a way that you could create a little walkway to get over to the Walmart so people wouldn't necessarily have to get into their car drive around the corner that they could actually do a little cut through like think about when you were kids right you'd always find those cut throughs so
we could you know provide something like that um to help people not use their car car a bike path or even a golf path whatever it is right okay this is an enforcement question about outdoor water use
1.4.4 okay same page y so develop and enforce water efficient Landscaping standards for all new development and Redevelopment projects within the city including you know drop toering uh vegetation efficient irrigation soil
moisture sensors mulching techniques so one of the kind of the background behind this policy um is that the southwest Florida Water Management District has a program called Florida water star and it actually is um things that you can the
developer can do kind of on their own or you can put things in your code that require it to be done U but it is a way of bringing down that per capita water use because most of our water over 50% of your portable water that's really valuable and scarce these days in
Florida is used for irrigating plants and so if we can do things to reduce that it goes a long long way so uh but so I think what this says to develop and enforce that's the next step So within one year the state would be looking at
the city to be looking at code amendments that that um adopt that now if the city decides that they don't want to do it do they have to no but this is saying that this is something that is important at this moment when this when the council gets into the details of it
and it looks like it might not work out for the city they don't have to adopt it just because it's in the comp plan so in order to enforce any of these things before they have to have some kind of law or code yeah you can't enforce until you've got okay regulations so we won't
be out there enforcing proper mtion right no no no no no this is for new development what's proper so for instance when this developer comes in with theirs we can say hey what are you doing on your site to reduce your
outdoor irrigation demand and they can say well we're doing these and they're going to be doing it anyway because they don't necessarily want to be spending a bajillion dollars on water every year and they want to be good stewards I would think so um I guess this is a general question
maybe for you guys the uh when we talk about new development how does that go with people rebuilding their homes After the flood you know if they're if they're over 50% damage is that considered new
development or how does that work still not that's a it's different so only something that's getting in newo like a site plan something that yeah I mean when we're when we're talking about new development here we're talking about things that are probably
greater than one or two houses going in right it's you know like the the crime property you know it's 111 units potentially or you know in Waterfront you remember what the the latest number is but a lot of units right it's not one going in somewhere so this would be
helpful for instance on a new new development like you're talking about R for instance um a lot of HOAs have the Antiquated especially '90s HOAs have the antiquated thing where they were they demanded you had St Augustine well St Augustine takes a lot
of water to especially when you set it up else we look for other ways to do that so bog graphs or other things that do that but if you buy in certain HOAs they're they're not good stewards of of that because that so this is kind to designed to encourage developers to look
for better ways to do things so back to Zer Hills because they did run against they had not enough water supply to meet their number of units that they had already approved so they adopted Florida water star and one of the things is is that if you're going to have St Augustine put it in the front yard where
it's showy grass but in the backyard maybe use some Baya or do something else so it's really about techniques to reduce that you can still have your green grass you can have plants um it's just to be a little smarter about your
design most of the homes in L Lakes area M there they did that put St in front the grass in the back but eventually all the be grass died and then they have St Augustine grass died St Augustine's what
dies because they try to make it look nice if you just leave it alone it'll be okay oh trying to make it look nice that's when it D and again I think you know your your job in the development process the the comprehensive plan is
what helps you make decisions and have that conversation with the developer when they come in with their plan you know you have effectively say a checklist but you know if you follow it down and ask them well how are you addressing you know water conservation in your development you know they should
be able to tell you and if they can't tell you you you probably shouldn't be grining you know what their they asking for they should be able to tell you and again most developers most good developers are going to have the answer to that because they've thought through it they they know what they're doing and
and the good developers are doing it because it's saving them money right um from Landscaping it's not just saving them money it's saving their ultimate buyer money correct so they can say hey we're a Florida water Star Development that's a reason toay for our house or
whatever on Tampa we had separate lines for reclaimed water that was used only for landscaping and uh they made a lot of money off of us because every house was charged for that
reclaim water m and you could not use pable water to water your grass yeah one thing you know water water portable water is going to be in the
next 10 to 15 years Florida is number one development issue correct it's just you know what what uh the the cost is to provide clean water right now is astronomical and everyone's running up
against the same barriers that we're running up against right I mean you know for us to meet what the requirements are it's it's investment of 35 to $40 million so that's on a system that's producing you know about 70 or
790,000 somewhere between 690 and 790,000 gallons a day just think of Tampa Bay Water what what they're providing and they're up against the the you know wall with their as well so and when you use less water per person that
expands the useful life or your Your Capacity in your facilities and then you don't necessarily have to go build the next one um because sometimes you don't fill up the next one but you still have to pay for it so it's uh it's just more efficient
efficiency is good in terms of water okay what's next you're doing great on the same theme I guess the energy conservation 1.5 okay we're going to we're going to
adopt policies to mitigate climate change where which one are you talking about I'm looking objective oh the objective energy conservation so one of the things that um your vulnerability assessment and adaptation plan says that this community
is vulnerable to sea level rise caused by warming and warming climate so you want to make sure that you know one of the things is if you're using less energy you're also generating less
greenhouse gases you're cooling things down to where you don't necessarily have to run your air conditioner there's a lot of different um ways that being energy efficient or looking for Energy Efficiency measures is helpful in in
this regard so do you have suggestion don't take a shower I guess well I mean again trying to apply it the things that are going to be coming before you one one way to help create Energy Efficiency is less Hardscape you know
less concrete you have the less asphalt you have you know there's a lot of studies out there that show those areas that are more green than with concrete or asphalt are going to you know fill cooler than than others which requires
less energy to be used to cool down areas and so you know as you look at let's say Waterfront development you know if they come in and everything's concrete you know that's probably not going to reduce their energy but if they show and you require them to have more
greencape in there and you know areas of of water you know things that that are naturally cooling you're meeting that goal of changing what but the energy requirements are for those properties same thing you know you look at Walmart you know Walmart has an expansive
parking lot and and now for Life me I can't remember are there any trees in Walmart's parking lot there right but I'll tell you that that same Walmart built in another place that I was would never have a parking lot with
that much asphalt there there would have been a lot more greencape in there but again they're their requirements were a lot different than than what our requirements are so there's things are going to come before you that you can ask those questions because you have that comprehensive plan sitting back
there saying hey we really need to be looking at the things that we do to look at that things that are affecting the climate affecting the local climate because you know granted we're probably not going to be doing developments are going to change the world's climate
unless get someone like ions of dollars wants to create some machine to change technology yeah yeah who knows but but it is going to affect our climate but what you can do are things to make your climate cooler you know
your ambient temperatures cooler um so right now but we don't have these policies right now right I mean maybe there's some but so this is specific policy would have to be voted on by city council right right
that all these goals objectiv policies will need to be adopted or changed or whatever but this is a body of this is building the building department themselves could just say oh yeah we're going to start doing this right that's to do no but they might say well you
know Energy Efficiency is important in Port Richie let's do something relative to Green building techniques let's let's give the information out to our Builders and maybe they want to have white roofs or they want to have um different air conditioning units or
whatever I don't know that it's necessarily going to be a hard requirement like your building code actually the internation I say there's already within the building code there's already elements of yeah this type of efficiency but what what you would be
talking about how do we that that's kind of like what is the uh energy star leads program right you know there's different you know some some communities have adopted you know the most stringent standards and you're building a building this is what you're building in our
community but that would be something that ultimately city council would have to you know amend the building code to allow for that to happen it's not going to happen just because you know we have building official decides that that's what we should be
doing on the same subject further down item see it says promote the use of green roof and living walls okay so a green roof is plant material on top of your roof it says promote
doesn't say that have to but you could look at your regulations say is there anything that would prevent a green roof in the in the future and a green wall of course would just be a wle that's planted with some type of you know something that sustains plant life uh
earlier couple P back okay uh talk about IPM integrated Pest Management okay okay green REM would not apply to the integrated pest man okay so there two
conflicting things that you could use integrated Pest Management on a green roof I guess depends how you define there things like mold there things like termites like that love that situation like RS like fire ANS yeah all
well I do know that they're successfully implemented in other parts of the country so there must be some way around like there must be a building technology that allows you to support a green roof when that would be covered in the
building like that would be covered building code not the building codes not we have we have a roofing standard that has specifics something that you're it's not just going to be somebody heaving like they did in the 70s where you just put a ledger on it and throw dirt on top of it
and plant everything that wouldn't wouldn't qualify for building they're currently State Building Codes it says you can't have plants within a certain distance of structure okay you call the termites that's in the code so I'm just
so maybe what uh so that could be valid because we have ter our but this says um in that same policy mitigation strategies may include so if there did come about where there was a technology that allowed green wors to coexist with
integrated Pest Management then it's something that the city could look at as to whether or not their code allows or doesn't allow or or I just just a general caution I'm concerned yeah some of these things that you know may say promoting stuff like
that or may this and that but there may be a person nobody here but down the road they're going to run with it it's going to be contrary to because maybe it's not appropriate in this particular micro climate with the
termites okay let me let me do some calling around office if we had a house right now and our pass just like it is we have a house in this city that's completely covered in Vines where you can't even see the house I would
think that they may be some kind of Co violation I would guess I would bet you can't you get in trouble for not mowing your grass and and letting weeds grow so you know just things can snowball sometimes right and I could see where in the code you would probably have a
definition of what constitutes a green wall as opposed to just a wall that plants are going crazy on but that's that's another good point that's why green would that help okay so IPM Earth and structure got
it this is great I I I love these questions cool okay uh 2.2.1 wrist based on okay 2.2.1 use vulnerability assessments to
identify public infrastructure at risk from sea level rise to determine whether facilities should be built rebuilt modified or relocated based on their exposure to blood risk so what remember before it's like the city's going to keep up with the data to understand
what their vulnerability is because you want to make sure that if you're putting money into public infrastructure you're investing you want to make sure that it's not you're going to build it and then it's going to wash away or be inundated and broken so it's just a matter of like it may not be flooding in
this location today but it could be flooding in that location 10 years I realize now it does say public infrastructure so would only be a city that's right building that's right work looking out for your public
dollars before you move off that topic though because that's one of the things that I wanted to talk about um we have a lot of in here that's I know this is the vision um but I was just in a resiliency planning meeting um
with Treasure Island so Treasure Island was trying to adopt a brand new policy standard that was Elevate TI I don't know if you saw Elevate TI um they had some Consultants come in and try to build out a resiliency standard their roads are underwater this kind of like Shore Acres their roads are underwater in an afternoon rainstorm so they know
that they have to do something to raise the roads in that area but obviously you can't just raise roads without figuring out how you're going to move all the buildings I'm dealing with the same thing on keus G I spoke to Monroe County couple of weeks ago and
they asked if I could raise keus G and I was like raise what on keus G and they're like no seriously keus G um so I've been talking with a lot of communities and I think it's something that we need to talk about as well as we move forward and maybe this is the place
maybe it's not um is if we're if we're a in relative agreement that sea level rise is something we have to be concerned concerned about and that means we need to look at resiliency planning um do we want something in
here not just from a public a public standpoint that says that we're going to you know we want to at least have something in the vision for as residential work is being done you want to build those
in such a way that either either through stem wall on property so that the yards are already raised without flooding a neighbor so that when the time comes that we have to raise the road those houses are their yards are already up um
that was a big problem with elev ti which is why elev TI didn't pass is that when you're elevating a community and you're talking about raising the roads at some point so they were setting a 20 35 we're going to raise the roads 3 feet
by you know in the crown of the of the community uh in in 2035 so how do we get all the houses that are being rebuilt up to a standard where we're not going to then Force water into their yards but doesn't the code require that anyway we have to be 18 inches over the crown of the road anyway but there's a but
there's there's a hurdle so 18 inches above the crown of the road with the with the parking with an enclosed parking space structure as long as the pitch from the building to the property line doesn't Force water to the neighbor and that's always the hurdle it's lowest man in the neighborhood dictates
everything that you can do so I get I can raise this one 6 in without get without encroaching and forcing water and then the one next to him I can go six inches but you still have a pit the lowest house in the neighborhood and unfortunately if the lowest house in the neighborhood is the first one to be
elevated or torn down and rebuilt you're still limiting with current code so I don't know if again I don't know if this is the place to put it is in this vision statement that we want to maybe promote a resiliency standard within the
building code to allow for future development future Road uh Road elevations and right of-way elevations so that things that are starting to be built now that we can make so this may allow us to make changes to the building
code so that you know per the one I'm doing on a water Side Drive it's the lowest house in the entire neighborhood now within the code right now I can raise the grade of their inside garage space up and I
can pitch as long as I don't raise the side you know raise the dirt on the sides more than you know a quarter inch per foot grade from property line to to house but that does I'm I can still only get so high before we're you know we're
building a house that looks like this and then their yard is down low and we're creating a pit next to them hoping that eventually The Neighbors on both sides raise and then we can bring the yards up and so I don't know if this is the right if the vision this Vision
we've got a lot of places in here where you've created that you could have like an explore sort of you know look look at this you know to address that problem whatever you know and maybe you don't know what the solution is now or what the right but at least it's something that says this is a thing that we do
need to look at because you're running into these situations in the community that if you could do something now it might prevent a lot of expense down the road right I mean so like what I proposed to elevate TI was we were lifting all these houses
I told all the homeowners like let's lift them three feet higher because they had they hadn't adopted it yet but it was they were going to they're a no fill town so you can't bring any fill into their yards at all whatsoever so they were CH they're trying to change that code and they were TR trying to change
it so they could get 3et of fill in that way they'd be able to bring the roads up up to 3et of fill and I said well then let's raise the houses 3et higher than you would think you would on that lot with the anticipation of still getting a 10- foot garage after you bring Phil in
and let's not do driveways yet let's not do driveways let's not do parking pads under the houses yet let's raise them an additional three feet let's build the stairways that the bottom 3 fet of the stairs in concrete even if you're doing wood for the rest of it so that later
when you can get a permit to bring filtered in then you back fill around those stair plants and around all of those columns and then you can pour your parking structure underneath and you can pour your driveways and you didn't spend any money now that you shouldn't have but we designed this current build with
resiliency in mind um but that that means for a while everybody's parking on rock and gravel under their houses and they all look like stilts for a while until you get there but if the is something we've talked about as a council and we've talked about it a bunch of times it's our job as a
governing body to put things in place now with a vision of the future in play that maybe the community doesn't fully understand why we're taking these steps now um that I'd love to see something in this
that says we want to adopt you know we want to look at adopting building P practices and policies with future resiliency in mind um because because public infrastructure is going to have to address sea level
rise at some point Bay Boulevard is going to be underwater every high tide you know several Paces there several spots in it you know I mean as it is now we get a little bit of Southwest wind on a full moon high tide and every storm drain down Channel and
water side and all of those the water the ocean's coming into the road from the ocean because that's just the level the storm drains we set at what about this policy 2.4.2 multi-layered Best Practices
code identify necessary modifications to the Land Development code that establishes comprehensive best practices for mitigating future flood events these include maybe could be in here increased setbacks from the flood plane erosion control storm water management practices
standards for impervious surfaces I I don't know if there's like a nice little Maybe just add it there that we want to but I think it needs to be look at building yeah build maybe what we do is um just take a crack at that and see where it fits and then we can bring it back to you next time and then and if
anybody sees something in another plan like I don't know if treasure Ireland has something in their call plan but I can look yeah that' be great the problem doesn't have anything their call plan that's why he's dealing with it now well and they and they and they squ elev didn't work because they went a little too they went a little too heavy with a
bunch of the pieces of it and it was kind of all over the place but there were a lot of good pieces in it um so it wouldn't be I think we can probably find thee with them when they were getting ready to do and they are going to adopt pieces of it they just couldn't adopt it as one giant plan they are going to
still do they are going to still open up fil or they are still going to open up the ability to bring things in but they were the the proposed plan had all sorts of super crazy stem wall um plans and stuff in it that we're going to make for some you know this guy's house is down
here and this guy's yard is four feet higher than this guy's yard with a stem wall between at the at the property line and I think that just scared the picture scared a lot of people and nobody good news is you have time right to start looking at those
things that we need to be doing right the bad news is every day we don't do something is less time to have right well and I mean like like I'm already it's on my mind right so I'm already every house that we develop that for as a
contractor I'm already looking at these resiliency like hey you're they're going to raise your road one day let's push this thing up you know with as long as it doesn't exceed Building height maximums you climbing two more stairs to know that later on if we have to put filt in this yard or you need to put
filter it in this yard it's not the end of the world you know you're we're not running down the driveway from the road when it rains now we're at least level with it I built my house here in Port Richie and when I did it if you look at my driveways all of the The Rake of the
driveway is in the first 20 ft of the driveway and then the driveways level out with what I figure probably ends up the next push of the road all I have to do is demolish the first 20 ft of my driveway and regrade the yard up to the new road level and my my driveways are
flat there's nothing pushing to the house because it's probably going to happen in the LIF span of of owning that house I think from from the city's perspective if you look at that block between Wilkins and Old Post on Bay
Boulevard we know that that has to be built up now exactly how highp build up we don't know right and we're in the process of trying to get funding to do that preliminary study that tells us where where is the crown of the road going to be right and once we know where the crown of the road is going to be
then then the next thing is we have to start figuring out every one of those houses and and the reality is that unless all those houses are lifted right we're going to have huge mess yeah and and again it's the running problem across the board but if we don't adopt a
standard now so that we can start putting them in place so that everything that does get demolished and rebuilt as we hit these you know 45% rule you know and things like that everything that does have to be mitigated now gets mitigated to a
standard that allows for that future development of the road I mean that's that's the comprehensive land future land use plant right that's what we're trying to do now is map this out but I think it's always going to get push back because they're going to people are going to want to know why you're making why are you making me do this well
because 40 years from now we're going to raise this road well how could you know that well we're taking a guess but we're trying to do our best to make sure that we can get you where you need to be so that we're the the pnz so when our kids are on this board that's right then they
they're not fighting this exact same problem of you've got one house left on that road that's got to go before we can raise the road because we can't raise the road until we don't flood that house the other thing is there's no real cover PL program and you take Limestone drive
for example uh it gets a lot of water we're we're right over there but there's not a culvert to speak of and if we had a way to redirect some of that water instead of having it just build up and cover over the roads we we'd be able to
handle it a little better uh the house at the very end that uh uh Bill ons uh there's a u it's started as a a drainage into that that big vacant property that's now part of
The autopom Preserve over there but man he's been flooded out three times because there's no way to get that much water out of there at that time so it's not just the road height it's dealing with the water that's coming off the other areas too
well I think that's part of the thing that we need to be looking at in this plan too is that you know there is grant money available not just for lifting houses and and but there's also an acquisition program um and there's grant money available to the city to
acquire one dilapidated house in an area like that that can become storm water retention instead of becoming a house um so that we can have a place for the assumed water in an afternoon rainstorm event to gather while we have time to
then have a single point source to pump it out into a spot but the problem we're having now is that the vast majority of our drainage basins are are below sea level when sea level reaches a full moon high tide so those basins you know I like I've
watched the the the the ditch across from Sean's house on Miller valou you can see it come up through the wear and then run out across the ditch and it's ocean water and it hasn't rained yet today and it's just because high tide is backing up through the
storm water system um so I mean it's again it's comprehensive plan right it's it's so many pieces of it that have to be thought out but this is our spot I think to be able to start putting some verbage in that says it's on our mind yeah that like this is what we want to do this is the guidance that we want to
do because like you said then we can go to gra if it's in our comprehensive plan and it's something that we really want to do then we can start writing doing some grant writing with appropriate verbage that says this isn't just we're trying to get some money from somebody this is the goal the goal is to get you
know you maybe we could get a storm water grant to go in and drop culs where they all need to be because it's just a tremendous amount of water but it's a tremendous amount of money to figure out how to get that stuff to move everywhere it's got to go and every piece of land that we let someone develop that's un
undeveloped land now probably is the spot that that neighborhood's water is going or was going before we let them before we let them fill it in so yeah I mean I would love to see some verbiage that just says that the goal is to is to change our building practices with a
future resiliency in mind Mike just when you say ocean do you mean that America yeah that I just let you know uh last week we submitted to uh fdm uh migration grant for a storm water management uh plan so
cool hopefully that will we'll get funding on that and we can start moving towards those things yeah I there's a lot of programs coming up right now that's on everybody's mind you know and and I know I know there was talk of some grants changing but there is a lot of money within the state
that's not federal um through fdem and through Elevate Florida and a couple of other programs that are um you that are programs that we can get some money for the community on not just specific individual homeowners but some larger SC infrastructure funding um and I know
it's been that money's been accessed by several communities the entire hmgp grant that was written last year for Hillsboro County had not a single residence in it that entire grant that they wrote for Hillsboro County was specifically for fixing traffic lights that were destroyed in the storm and
things like that so those those Grant programs are available at the county and the City municipal level we just have to leverage them if we can and I think this is a good place for us to put the verbiage that says this is why we want the money because we have a comprehensive plan for not having this be problematic in the
future definitely forward thinking so good all right I interrupted your train you did good what's next let's see we're on a roll okay I thought you said China for a
second CH the HH oh the coal area oh avoid public expenditures for New Street sewer water extensions or expansions within the
coastal High Hazard area that could encourage higher densities in areas vulnerable to major storm event so that's a carry over from your adopted plan so it's on the books today do that but you know does that conflict with what we're talking about for the Waterfront District so avoid public
infrastructure so new sewer New Street SE waterline extensions or expansions um you know I guess the what the definition of new is right because yeah most down there is replacement but or are vulnerable to
major storm events if they if they build if they use Technologies to lessen their vulnerability I guess that's the way that that's I mean I I guess to me that would that would be more of looking at
the development on limit drive you know that's new development where we don't have a lot of infrastructure there to begin with and you know I I don't think the intent is stop development but the challenge of development to make sure
that these things are being done in a way that's not going to result in the loss of you know if if they they don't do appropriate amount of fill where they're going be building you know we
know probably within 30 to 50 years there're going to be a lot of water around it right so we're going to be kind of in the same situation we have with all the at grade houses um and potentially in a hundred years plus you know they'll be unab uninhabitable in
areas if they don't build above that that that uh flood zone area that so if they come in saying this is what we're doing and we know a 100 years or we believe within 100 years going to be underwater we shouldn't you know extend
any any infrastructure why why would we do that right but if they come in with a way a plan that know they can tell us that you know based upon projections that the city has you know paid a lot of money to get um you know this this meets
that vulnerability analysis you did the adaption plan because you know when the water comes up it's not going to get here so it's not a lost investment it's going to be investment that's going be and I think in this it's avoid public expenditures so I think it's where you
don't necessarily want to have your you know your public dollars going into a place where um it's going to courage but somebody's developing their own infrastructure but I think that it has to be looked at you know to the void not
like restrict right um so this wouldn't open us up to all of us here and no council I think the whole city is supportive of the Waterfront District development and I just hope it doesn't open us up this
somebody uh for litigation or something somebody says oh it says in your plan let's maybe look at that one just so it's clear do we have a is there a Define do we have a map that defin where the coastal High Hazard area is
it's like 75% of your city so it's like the only the area out over by the um by Congress the furthest from The Edge where the industrial
here okay so CCM I'll look into that okay what is next there another question oh velocity that's velocity Z I think velocity zones are out there at the
point unfortunately two of them no you're not you're just oceans side of the limo and that is carryover policy from your existing comp plan so all that detail was in
there is is a recreational vehicle park would that include storage of RV RVs I think the ve zone is right on the Forefront of where the impact
in that that doesn't include RV storage no you're talking about specifically out there at the end of the thing I don't think so I mean this is you're you're not putting you don't want to put something in that's high risk of loss of dwelling is kind of what this is designed for is
to keep people from building building things that are you know like you don't you shouldn't put trailer parks in Tornado Alley they're vulnerable you just shouldn't put them up they're magnet protect them and in better locations and you don't want to
necessarily have vulnerable populations who can't evacuate easily and and of course you don't want to have poisons you're thinking long-term shortterm kind of rental
Transit right right and and so you know the RV part store you know RV storage or boat storage you're not going to have that residential component and that's what I think believe that's what it's
trying to get away from so we don't have to go in there and rescue people because they didn't want to leave or even try to evacuate I think that's a little bit of a lot actually a lot of different issues within this also
help us address that evacuation piece that as we uh submitted the uh amendments to the um comp plan for the development this was one of the areas that the state kind of said you need to compare this development to what your
requirements are as it relates to evacuation and so as you start allowing developments to occur in those there is you know you need to be able to address how do we get people out how do we get you know people safe during during different events
okay 2.5.3 flood zones A and E that's probably where the Waterfront is uh anyway that's the flood plane 100e flood plane yeah says any construction within the 100-year flood
plane must conform to flood resistant construction standards and flood plane management requirements which one is this 2.5 253 2.53 any construction within the 100-year flood plane must meet or exceed
all applicable building codes flood resistant construction standards so anything that's on the books today that you have it's just saying that you you probably could do away with it but it's good to be a reminder that in that area you have to follow all the rules
yeah so development occurs now so it doesn't say that though it says any construction that's that's the only thing I'm asking about oh the an construction right it's it's like all the people rebuilding their homes now
all a sudden they have to comply to flood resistant construction standards that's the law but that's the law as you put stuff back you have to put it back to current standard anything that you touch you don't have to put it back you can't put it back like if you're put drywall up and the house was in 1951 and
the regulation in 1951 was that you could put it up on non PT you can't do that now so anything I'm main concerned about the flood yeah if if you have an atg grade you
know house and you're repairing it back to its original state that's not going to be construction as that you know you know that's being used if you tear your house down and you're starting over now
you have to build it up to whatever the new standards are so raising structure then you have to raise the current structure yeah no if I'm raising the structure then only the parts I touch do I have to adjust because it's not not not in excess of the 50% well as soon as you're raising it up you're out of the
flood zone so that doesn't apply well you be careful saying that because the number of people who say so I don't need flood insurance you're still located in a FL you're just above it um I think what this does is it allows us to have it just says that you have to you have to meet or exceed all appical building
codes and then that allows the building code to be the thing that dictates well can we make it just say that then this sayc the flood resistance makes it sound like you got to raise your house to me it's meet or exceed all applicable so
if there is a standard but it's not applicable to your situation then you're covered and that's Guided by the 50% Rule and all of our other buildings so this just says that we're in our plan we're going to make sure that people have to that our code still
continues to follow the the current St you know the the assumed standards and those standards are going to change I mean if FEMA makes a guideline change that says no one can rebuild anything below the base flood elevation ever again it's now 10% or something like that then the city has to make a
decision as to whether or not they want to follow that guideline to stay part of the nfip and then and which they more than likely will and then at that point nothing gets rebuilt this just says that part of our comprehensive plan is that we're going to follow
the the the accepted industry standards and and building codes and this also shows to the state that the city has a strategy by which to address its need and this is just one of the pieces of the strategy it is from your existing
code pretty sure that that's um but I think what what covers what you're concerned about is it would be if there was a building code or other standard that was applicable to that particular situation and if they were sub threshold and they didn't have to do certain
things then they would be okay 3.2.5 overnight accomodations okay would this include air beam be curious require that new or redeveloped overnight accommodation facilities
submit a city approved hurricane evacuation plan for all guests ensuring safe and efficient evacuation during emergencies yes if you had um you know if you if you're going to do like RV development he said he said
Airbnb Airbnb Airbnb yeah short-terms I would I would think that standard would still apply new or redeveloped overnight accommod a facilities I think the overnight accommodation probably would need to Define
that but Airbnb I think I does city does Airbnb require them to come forward and get something from you not currently they well then there's no way there's no trigger yeah I mean that's I think the the difficulty in that is I don't I don't think that language because is
that new language I didn't think that was new language is it I I didn't add it recently yeah no I thought that's been in there so I I think considering that this language was put in the plan probably well before any airbnbs were
were conceived of um I was to say that that that is talking about again new or redeveloped so that's hotels that's RV parks that's anything that's going to be um transient yeah resident or Transit
residential pretty transient and actually I think I mean I get the what they're trying to accomplish I think it's a good idea but especially an Airbnb a lot of times there's the owner is not even there yeah okay and they
could be from Ohio who knows where and they're there and have no clue about a hurricane or anything like that well that's an important thing right I think his Point's well taken I mean it it is something that that I would never have thought of with this I mean again I I don't think that contemplates that but I
think that is something that needs to be addressed you know as we move forward with that whatever ultimately we're going to do with the uh airbnbs and you know the short-term rentals we can work that in there but how you going to start
licensing those yeah because I know that we originally talked about having the Fire Marshall go through and make sure that there was a fire extinguisher and you know carbon monoxide thing I don't think it's outside the scope to to put
standard to for the city to put a standard in that says that if you're operating short-term rental here's a few things that you need to have and everyone knows the state has preempted short-term rentals so there's a very specific things the city can and can't do and I don't have it up in front of me there's a lot I mean you can have
application and a contact for 24 hours a day that kind of thing I think inspections are still obviously are allowed but there is limitations on what we can do but we can still do a answer there I I need that list I think this is anticipating more large yeah I think that's that's
the intent behind it is you know if you have a 100 or 100 plus people there how are you getting them out there that's that's really what that's aimed at but maybe we need something in here in a different section even that talks
about how you know that we we intend to have to have a plan to address short-term rental and uh and the vulnerability of out of town guests not aware of our evacuation plans our requirements and standards
well that should be that's short ter as too I had ten stay during the storm and we told them we sent messages up please leave it's not worth staying and we had a we had a tenant that L was calling her son saying I'm staying on the on the
counters I don't let to tell you we told you to leave so but I agree 100% it needs to we I mean this is the Coastal Community and we have to deal with it last year was a wakeup call for many of us I will never stay in my house again I don't care if my grace is at 25 feet in
a I will never stay again during a storm I just won't do it there's no there's no sense in it my house is a bunker and I can tell you we always said that if it was category if it was category two or higher coming straight for here we'd leave but anything less than that we'd
stay the house is fine and after H being here while Milton was south of us and just having 80 mph wind in the back of the house for that period of time I don't know that a category one that's going to make a direct hit I don't think
I would put my family at the risk because there's so many things that can go wrong so rapidly um in that house that that I like I can swim with the dog or paddle board across the volum with the dog to get out but I'm not going to do it with three CH three small children
and a wife that's a divorce right um just you know unfortunately I know this is Dev a little bit unfortunately during those events there's so many different things that happened causing wor I mean again you know how many fires
occur because and and you know if you have more than was 39 miles an hour our trucks aren't going out right well we shouldn't be asking them to you're you're you're going to put firefighters you know to come out because you wer willing to
leave that's why evacuation is important because it's not just the rising of the water it's not just the wind it's the things that happen because of those two things that again you know the water itself may not get to your house but with the right amount of wind and and next door being a little bit lower and
it catches on fire and the wind blows it over to your house you know I don't care how high your house is it's so many things that can go left this Tesla in the garage so we can look at that and see if there's anything maybe the Airbnb preemption is going to cover us but we
can see if there's any tweaks we can make it a little clear okay that go under our evacuation know2 we're under under evacuation we okay okay go ahead we're on number four fast forward 4.2.1 building
moratoria so that's that's an option that the city well say city after a major disaster the city shall adopt a temporary post- disaster building moratorium to allow sufficient time for damage assessments explor R development opportunities implementing Hazard
mitigation policies and evaluating risk levels and formulating mitigation strategies I don't know did you do some sort of we did action we sort of did yeah we we sent I mean you sent pad out we had a whole group that came out there and really walk the streets to find we
we tried to slow it down a little bit so we could get the handle what's going on is the word moratorium to I think I think it is I mean I think to me it's a different connotation where we use more moror maybe a different word for that I
don't know what it would be but goes on just talk about expedited permitting and I got a permit the very next day I was impressed and you had know special permit for the hurricane and everything okay let's look at that one
kind of conflicts with it we wrote this before the uh yeah we did that actually um some of that expedited permitting is actually founded in state sache because under emergency UHS whatever the the governor declares
an emergency we have to we have to actually allow certain types of permits to go forward faster like a roofit is probably the best example you know we can't say oh you can't do it sorry it's going to take two weeks you know we have to do everything we can to get that permit done so you can secure your house
so there are there are you know there's some HVAC ones electricity those type of things but as that's being said you know what what more of the county ran into than us um you know people wanted to
restore their electricity very quickly and and some of those areas they shouldn't have restored their electricity um because they hadn't made improvements they haven't done the repairs that need to be done and it caused issues and and so I think that
that goes back to why why you do need to slow some of the re uh you know that work down is because people are in such a hurry to get something done they're they're not spending the time and effort to think about what it is they need to
get done and so you know we don't we don't want to get people out their houses um but we also I think have an obligation to make sure they do it properly so it doesn't harm them later on say the city will encourage and
promote support the permitting process in an efficient manner or something like that we look at how we or maybe it's a different word we have that in the exped pering down below it right it says all I'm wondering why we want to say more um
yeah let's just look at that I mean I think it is a typical response when you're just trying to regroup and figure out before you start making mistakes so I think that um but moratorium obviously you did you got fly without a moratorium were able to this storm is probably the
first time we've actually done official damage assessments either as well even 93 they didn't do damage assessments they not so no they not the count have that so no the city was the city was underwater itself I know
was canell what's the next one okay 4.2.5 severely damaged structures oh that one needs to be changed to 49% correct oh it didn't change at all yeah
it was going to change but it didn't okay so that will go back to 50% which is actually in your plan today thank you 4.2.5 I know that was brought up last meeting too I haven't touched haven't touched anything iation
4.2.7 reducing permissible development densities that's same question I had is that applied to the from dist for areas experiencing major or moderate damage from storm surge evaluate and consider the following adaptation strategies so
these are from your ad adaptation plan relocation you know reducing development density reconstruction according to more stringent standards and public Acquisitions I think those are pretty standard adaptation Solutions but I think it's
just to consider well so that would mean we the city would reconsider the Waterfront District density well I mean if there was a compelling reason to do that after well it dos it right here no it says that for
AR's experience in it evaluate and consider the following so you would look through this we just had a major event we had a lot of damage what do we do in the future to not have such Devastation expensive whatever so could we could
some of those properties be purchased and developed some or relocated elsewhere could you look at when you develop new you're going to reduce so I mean these are all the options that are available to you these are accepted adaptation strategies yeah I think you know to answer your
question directly C is that you're looking at what what can you do since we know what the possibility is there now you know what can you do to avoid that and you know the answer is you're building up right
you have to build up above the the current uh flood elevation plus you know potentially two or three whatever the numers going to be um constructed in a way to make sure that your roads are maybe even built above that so they can get out to 19 so I mean
I think there's destruction means that are going to alleviate those things that we Sol but the reality is unless uh you know State builds US 19 up you know they're going to be impacted by that
again no matter what they do but they can at least build in a way that's going to protect people that live there on number 4.2.6 it says it's pretty Brad it's anything that's been having
reoccurring significant damage due to storm surge is going to be designated as coastal wetlands and future land use to prevent future Redevelopment does that mean we're going to just eliminate those houses and leave them as vacant Lots so
if there's a public acquisition of a repetitive loss property then it's public now so then you're going to take it out of the development categories and you're going to put it into something that's not allowing development which would be your wetlands and your well
your Coastal lands Wetlands category that mean you can't redevelop that property once it's in that position because even if you elevate it and build up well if you if the public purchase it is no longer I think a good a good
example is on um on Miller Val 299 yes so that property was acquired through FEMA which program was one of the programs and it no longer can be developed so the city's G to own it
we're going to make it into a Park area but that's that's what that's really referring to is not necessarily the the houses as they are today but you know once they have that repetitive loss you know if they go through the
FEMA process fdm process for acquisition we would then you know make them non develop but outside of that you know we could as a city start looking at those areas and say geez you know this area is is is just constantly there's a lot of
damage going on um it's chronic it's chronic yeah you we know it the house the house values are going down because of you know not the investment they can't put it in know we go out there and we acquire it and you know we create
again you know be I don't know if be Wetland necessarily but but it would be non-developable in the future I mean it just I think there's areas right now in the city that we kind of see where that's probably going to happen I mean I can think of one right
now only a matter of time a classic example yeah because even during a bad rainstorm back there they get wet and most of those homes Unfortunately they don't have the wherewithal to fix them y and they live in these properties that are becoming more blighted by the day and the values
are awful so they just need to be purchased by with that program purchased and turn into Green Space right so just like you did on the one by that's a wonderful spot now well the 10 Miller by you was purchased through through the the regular acquisition program it's a
different bucket of money so when you allocate something as available like this when we have this in our plan and there's a piece of property deemed that that that's the best use for it that really shouldn't ever be anything else
because we need at least one house in this neighborhood to funnel all the storm water through to get to the canal behind it like that's the only way to get the water out of that that neighborhood then it opens up an entirely different bucket of money that was set aside by Congress a few years
back um specifically for this purpose which is to purchase land that should not be F further developed because we simply don't have either one it that we the community needs it for this use that's not non-residential
non-commercial it's got to be used for Public Lands or there isn't a building practice available that allows you to build something there that's not vulnerable um and it actually came about because of the keys um they they
actually purchased uh Big Pine Key they they they bought every single house on Big Pine Key using this Federal grant that was set aside very specifically for this purpose and turned it into a state park um and it'll never be developed again because no that particular key was
just a sandbar and no matter what you did out there for construction methods you simply couldn't put enough Concrete in the ground and go deep enough to get to anything that would keep them from washing away when we had a bad storm and so Congress put together someone levied
Congress and and got them to put together this extra buet of money that's specifically used for this and it's used Nationwide um for all in all sorts of places you because this isn't just localized to us you have all sorts of places where hey this neighborhood to
keep it safe needs a levy or it needs of this or it needs of that and then they can this let this would let the city tap into that money to buy these homes in that particular new but this only only gets governed by if it's public acquisition and that's
going to really impact our income as a city because taking all those off the adone tax R and all of a sudden you got 10 houses G that were at $300,000 a piece and that's $3 million worth of uh annual taxes that we're just saying
byebye to that means you need a housing strategy result so that's you're you're absolutely right but the only reason you would use this um the only reason you would tap into this money and you would use this is for an example as Miller by you um is use that money to get
something so that you can then have a place to divert storm water and to to divert stuff and create a holding pin for storm water and then that because now you're not flooding that Central That central island out that's on between Miller Bayou and Bay Boulevard
now that those houses aren't flooding even in an afternoon rainstorm because you've got a place for storm water to go the housing values on all of those remaining houses goes up correct so the idea is that those that was that's what you wouldn't buy 10 in an area you'd buy
one in an area um that allows you to create a higher value for all of the surrounding properties because because you need it for that very spe that proper value as well because we've not done such and as such many of those
properties on Bard and even on the on the north side of M Drive they still fled in their backyards they had water in their backyards for a month after the storm and that property was purchased with the so intent to make it a reten a retention area there and we didn't do it matter of fact we brought fill in and
made it higher yeah that's a development problem um but like that's a perfect spot to dig a pit make make a retention Pond put a we in cut across the road and get through off to out to Miller Bayou so or out to the Bayou so that you can
drain that Center that Center section of neighborhood limestone's a perfect example there might be a single spot there somewhere that makes sense that you need to be able to put a drain a a drainage pond in to hold rainwater and then be able to pump it out to an area
but it the land is so valuable anything that touches a canal is so expensive that the city really can't access it to cut a ditch through the middle of it unless you can tap into Fe you know into this kind of in property and the reality
is if if you accept what what potential is for rising sea levels um we know right now what that inundation a hundred years from now just the the normal daily here just the rise
of the sea level we know what that's going to be right and so those projections tell us the areas that are going to be the most vulnerable and it's a lot of our land and so we have to make a decision today are we going to try to save all this land or are we just going
to retreat because you know it's going to happen if you make that decision to save the Land There are things you can do right you can start looking at handling those things but it is going to mean that there's going to be houses that are here today that 100 years from
now are not going to be there because we need those to save all the houses and I will guarantee you between now and 100 years from now there's going to be houses that that we can identify those areas saying that would be a perfect spot for this someday down the road and we
need it if we don't have a plan today to deal with it we're never going to have that opportunity because you know houses change hands and when they come up for sale that's our opportunity to to try to grab them and be able to take you know impact this but but if you don't if you
don't do it then ultimately you're going to be losing all of your houses and so you do have to have a strategy and and that's I think what the movement is today within city is to try to develop that strategy so we can be prepared you
know again I I don't think we want to lose uh Sand Pebble Harbor Point yeah right don't think we W to lose that but the reality is put the water up five or six more feet which in 100 years is what they're saying that could be out there you know you can't get there anymore
when it's up that way and so we're going to have to do something to protect that it's either going to build this big bridge out there um or or you're going to do something something to make sure that the water can go somewhere and and that's I think what what we're trying to do now is identify
what those opportunities are today so so we don't have to force someone out of their house right that that's the worst thing that we can do is say listen we need your house house for this public purpose so goodbye you know here's you know a couple hundred thousand dollars you know again over time those
opportunities are going to rise where we can you know do it in a way that's going to be more friendly to the residents and the owners of those property are we planning any lift station programs to try some of this water instead of just I think that's well that
goes back to the storm water management plan um you know I just I tell you planning there's a lot of engineering that goes into effectively moving water in in an area if you don't do that work if you just try to yeah right there you
know you're going to be be a lot worse off than than doing nothing at all and so I think that's where you know we have to get the plan first we have to understand where these areas are you know then how do we address those I me
if you really look at everything west of 19 why do you want to store any water west of 19 right because we have we have this big storage place out to the West so you know west of 19 is how the hell do you get the water out of here right quickest as possible and and the storage
part really is okay when the water's coming in where do we store the water and and really looking to store water above ground from from the sea makes no sense whatsoever and most places you know are either going to you know
provide a levy try to keep the water back now our problem is we have all these canals so Lev is not going to be too effective the second piece is okay what type of underground storage can we build and and you know when you look at at Bay Boulevard example you know there
you know you put in a 36 inch pipe a Long Bay Boulevard there you don't have any floody so there are there are a lot of techniques but but again understanding you know should that be 36 inches or should it be 48 inches that's what Engineers tell us that's why you have to
have those plans and the engineering done to do it so we do it we do it right and we don't regret spending the money that we spend should we uh breaking people have to yeah if you need
to I don't know how much more you have we're almost to the endy's done oh you're done so we'll just end with Randy and then we'll come back next time and work on the next on next question we'll come back with some new language comments thank you so much for getting the conversation started I was
really appreciated a meeting or a work it's a workshop so yeah it's discussion so this is what we're doing will they to advertise it be a public hearing yeah I think we're probably at least one more Workshop away right you I don't know I don't know how much more work you another Workshop or we we do we need to
have Workshop to discuss the changes we're we're gonna make well can't you oh you can't no no you could no no I'm saying no everything no no no no no you could have it as a public hearing and if you have recommended changes that's okay you can still you can still
do that um but if you think you have a lot more to discuss and I don't know if if every hit their topics well I have I have um two pages little short pages of things we're going to talk about maybe I don't
know we can go meeting let's go take it to a meeting as long as we address those issues and bring that to the Forefront of the meeting and you can still tweak them you know you can you can recommend approval with or public hearing does it need at six o'clock or is it can we still do one o00 no that so that one
doesn't have the same requirements as a rezoning okay a meeting at 1 o00 Perfect all right whenever Tammy's available perfect what I it whenever Tammy's available do I need a motion to Jour did you guys decide date next
meeting no do it the next so it's the 11th March 11 let me see the same it's actually the same because of February having that's right that's right sorry for this is like the only month
that I know the dates March except on Le yearsing available March 11 you want a motion yeah I need a motion I move that we adjourn have second all in favor all right perfect
thanks guys very nice we were all rolling like we're not stopping and I knew Mike had to go and and I got go somewhere pick up one and catch another one and head to music lessons that time time if anybody wants a I don't have
that problem anymore might drive themselves mine should doesn't 22 you might have no no no no no she's home right now she got home yesterday she's home right now so she go sure she
can sign up for grad school