All right. I'm good to send a share request real quick. Let me open it up this way. How are you? city council meeting Tuesday leader Fields for the invocation remain standing for the pledge.
Okay. So, Father, we just come to you in the precious name of Jesus. We know that uh the city's got a lot of decisions to make to tonight for the city and for the best for the businesses and residents and especially the stuff that's coming
up for code enforcement and the people here to bring stuff before the the council. So, we just ask you to give them wisdom and guidance and we know that we'll look into these and we'll just help the best way we can, but we do have laws and things that we have to go
by by the the city and the county. So we just thank you that you're with us and we just give you the glory, honor, and praise in Jesus name. Amen. Amen. Amen. I aliance to the flag of the United
States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Madam cler, I have role, please. Mayor John Coover here. Vice Mayor Chris Mayer
here. Councilman David Mueller here. Councilman Robert Huard here. Councilwoman Lisa Burke here. City Attorney Nancy Meyer here. City Manager Andrew Butterfield here. Thank you. Uh we have no proclamations or tonight to approve. So we're going to
move right to comments from the general public. Um since we got new folks in here, I'm going to go and read this. I try not to read every week, but we got some new folks. So, I want to make sure you guys understand the process. Uh, public participation is encouraged. If you are addressing the council, step to the podium and state your name and address for the record. Please limit
your general comments to three minutes. For comments on action items, please limit comments to three minutes on the current topic. Please limit your conversations while sitting in the audience during council business and silence your cell phones so as not to interfere with everyone's ability to hear the comments of both the public and the council during that time. Uh, with
that, I do have one sign up, Danny Fields. Welcome. Danny Fields 81 14 Leo Kid again I just want to thank you for your service and uh what we do here in this city we're working together as a team and we know we have challenges
and we're prepared to deal with things and uh so I just want to again thank you and and the police department I I I see growth. I see change and I'm grateful for our chief and what he's doing and bringing unity with the sheriff
department training and new officers in. So, I'm just grateful that as well. Uh so, there's a lot of things that uh we've been working on and working together as a team. So, that's just for me personally as a a chaplain as well as
a citizen and part of being on your guys' team. And so, we just continue to work together. and we know that that we hear the hearts of the people and we try to come up with the best thing is better for everybody. So, I just want to thank you. So, I'm I'm here about the backpack
giveaway at the Waterfront Park. It's on July the 26th. Uh uh there's uh going to be the police there, the fire department. We're going to promote the city. We're going to have free food, fun, and games. and we're going to give them backpacks away to help out our
residents and especially the children that go to school and just it's a good time to come out. You're welcome to enjoy to mingle with the people and work together and you know and meet some of the the moms, the dads, and the kids in
your community and just let them know that you you care and you're here and that uh you support them and and again they'll know you have tough decisions to make. So I just want to thank you for that and the time I'm going to give you that. So uh I'll be there. It's going to
be from 8 to 2, but the first backpack giveaway starts at 10:00 a.m. and it'll be over by noon time for uh for those that are going to pick up the backpacks. So, from really from 8 to 2 is what the schedule is. So, you could be there at 10:00 and no later than 12 if you want
to be there with the people. And I do have the flyers and it is on websites and stuff so you could pick it up at Waterfront Park 81 19 Opulse Road here in Port Richie, Florida. So can't wait to see you there and to have some fun. So thank you.
Thanks Danny. That's all the signups I have. But by show hands, anybody else like to speak on a general? Welcome. Hello, my name is Bruce Torrrens. I live at 8119 Channel Drive and um I just wanted to bring up a few things. I know
that we don't go through hurricanes. I hope we don't go through them every year, but um over the last two years we have, but and I know that y'all don't go through this situation all the time, but it just seems like um there's a lot of differences um I'm going to describe it
that way. the way that residents are treated with the permitting system and with all the um different ways that things are done. And um I just I'm going through the process right now. I tried to do it the right
way. I tried to do it the fair way. I felt like my house was substantially damaged because of the the prices that I got. My lowest contract price was 278. My value of my structure was 390. Uh that's way over the 50% rule. So I
elected to tear it down and to pursue pursue it that way. Uh I'm going through the process. I've got my plans in here. They're held up right now because I'm having to change two of the subs. So they're on hold right this moment. But um you know, when I got back over here
and I I found out how much the permits were, I've never I've lived in Hillsboro County in Tampa, born and raised. Um never seen permit prices like this before. Then I find out there's a 3%. But um I know that new construction,
y'all aren't uh voiding that uh 3% or permit fees for new construction. But it just seems like when I started looking at all the different people around, some people were being charged, some people weren't. Then I find out that just because it says it on there, um some of
them are zeroed out. And then I find out they didn't even pay that. It was just arbitrarily with no notes, with no nothing. arbitrarily just zeroed out that they didn't pay. And I know that y'all excluded that for a time period. I think it ended what, two weeks ago for permits or something like that. But, you
know, I tried to do it the right way, but now I'm being penalized because I'm getting this absorbent fee to rebuild my house on the new standards, you know, up off the ground with all the new codes and everything. So, that's pretty much what I have to say. Uh, I've talked to
some of y'all. Um, one person has gotten back with me already. Um, but other than that, I just um I just think that it's not uh everybody's not being treated fairly across the board. And that's that's what I have to say. Thanks, Bruce.
Anyone else? Okay, seeing none, I'll come back to council. Next up is uh Council City Manager. I'll pass it to Mr. Butterfield for his comments. Thanks, Mr. Mayor. Uh we uh were fortunate to swear in two new police officers, one full-time and one
reservist this week. Uh great additions to the force. Uh the public works director uh was with Ajax Paving today uh going through a final punch list for the Bay Boulevard paving project. Uh so we can wrap that up. Uh staff uh will have the branding and
wayfinding kickoff meeting with KMA tomorrow. Uh public works just today finished repainting the wall at Ellner Park which the uh citizens advisory committee had requested so that uh in preparation for mural painting it it looks good blank
and it'll uh it'll be a nice pallet for the artists that they select. Uh the city has received the final signed agreement from FT for the US 19 landscaping project. That's uh $450,000 uh that we can use for uh projects
around 19. Uh Burns and McDonald firm will be providing a construction quote for the US 19 Grand Boulevard crossing project that I know a lot of people are interested in for golf cart uh transit. Uh the final plans have been submitted and we're waiting the final permit from
FT. Once the permit is received, the project will go up to date. Uh, city staff will be attending the third program for public information multi-jurisdictional meeting with the county tomorrow. Uh, city staff contacted Colin Miller
with McKim Creed for an update on the watershed master plan. Uh, Mr. Miller has CC beyond communication being forwarded for awarding of a grant for the study to be conducted and I'll keep council informed as progress happens there. Uh this afternoon, city staff
attended a uh Tampa Bay coastal master plan workshop, the TV RPC regarding guiding principles and regional flood resilience. And uh we cooperate in so many ways with our neighbor next door, Newport Richie. And and uh in that regard, I had a great meeting with the
city manager there yesterday where we discussed uh collaborative collaborative collaborating even further where we uh where we where we can find other ways to work together. And then uh lastly uh I think you could speak more to it. Sir, the Grand Boulevard planning uh initials
start kickoff and you've got a walk around with the designers and Yeah. Um, so I forget the name of the company. CI I believe. Uh, and Tammy Veron who's our our planner. Is it CI? CI. Yeah, Claudia was Yeah, Claudia was the representative.
So, had a quick meeting. Um, they are in the process of they went over and looked at the Grand Boulevard area and they are drafting proposal. They've done some work in the area. They had packet from Claremont, uh, Oki or
Claremont and Oyola County. Yeah. City of some examples of what they've done, but they're drafting a proposal. I don't think we've got that proposal back yet, right? Oh, yeah. Okay. So, once that comes back, obviously that'll come to council for review, but they they basically go through and they they kind of give you a
a picture and they can go as in-depth as you want. Like I said, the two packets were night and day. One was very very detailed, the other was kind of sumation, if you will, with just lighter material. Um, but they can do different things um based on what you want to pay for obviously. Um, so that's going to
come back and then we'll look at that and see if that's something we want to entertain, look at. So, and then lastly, I think it's first on the agenda where dredging has been an important issue for a lot of folks and we're going to learn a little bit about that tonight from our our visitor from Stantech. That's all I have. Thank you.
Okay, next up, comments from boards, committees. Is there any boards committees to report? Um, I uh I have a couple boards committee related things that I want to bring up. Um, so in in conversation with Ashley, we're
having some issues getting responses back and meeting quorum and different boards committees. And so I want to impress upon folks that if you're on a board committee, it is a commitment. I know it's an unpaid commitment, um, but it's very important and it needs we need these board of committees to operate and
and to do business so that uh, they can serve their role and they can report to council and we can we can take it forward. Um, but we're having trouble meeting quorums and and whatnot. So, what I'd ask is to is take a look uh individually and see if it's if it's a
commitment you're going to be able to make, right? And if if not, we perfectly understand that, but we need to make sure that that seat's open so we can reach out and get somebody to fill it. We'll be able to do that. So, take a long hard look at that. I know we as a council um re-up everybody. I think in
October, I think a month or two before that, city clerk sends out uh letting everybody know, do you want to stay on the committee? When you respond back to that, make sure you do want to actually stay on committee and attend the meetings. And again, there's there's some procedural things that would make things a lot easier on
the clerk. Um I believe she sends out tries to request for a date if you don't have a set date to meet uh when you're available. And then also, if there is a set date, trying to get confirmation that you're going to do that when she sends out a calendar event. And so, if you can respond back to that, yay or
nay. If you can't make it, just say, "Hey, I can't make it. Uh, here's a reason why." Um, if it's personal, just say personal. Um, but again, we we don't want to we don't want to get in a habit up here of having to kick people off committees that aren't showing up. We want, you know, we want to engage
people. We want people to be engaged. Um, but at some point, we've we've got to have those committees meeting. And you know, I hate to I hate to be the bearer bad news, but if you can't make the commit, we we appreciate you anyway, just let us know so we can fill that spot with somebody else that might have a little more time. Um, so I just want
to put that out there. Um, so going forward, Ashley, if you do your do your thing and and let us know if you have any issues with individuals not responding back so we can take action. So, um, another thing on boards, committees, I I'll bring up, I mentioned it to Andy, planning and zoning was set
to meet today, was canceled, I guess, because they didn't have planning zoning stuff to do. However, was the um consensus of council that we start looking at annexation possibilities, and we really need to get that work underway. And I know there's probably some staff time needs to be put forth uh
forth uh before that to kind of give some guidance to planning and zoning. Um, but that would have been a good opportunity to maybe use today's meeting to do some annexation conversations, at least preliminary. Um, so it's kind of sad to see that was um, cancelled. On
that same note, um, I wonder if it wouldn't be prudent to reach out to the planning and zoning folks to see if we could get them to meet twice a month. And I know everybody hates another meeting, but um, if we have a planning and zoning meeting at the like would have been today and then next council
meeting they would meet again. and they would talk about annexation and again that can that second meeting as uh stuff comes and goes might not necessarily need to be held. Um or we can more bridge them into one but we need to we need to do some work around
annexation to get somewhere on that. So think about that and see what maybe a good path forward is and maybe we need another board. Maybe we need to create an annexation board. U annexation and acquisition too have been brought up by some of the council and we're uh we're looking at properties right now that the
city may have a need for. Yeah. So if we could just if we could maybe talk to the planning zoning members and see what their preference is. Um I said I would suggest maybe meeting twice a month if possible for as long as you know if they don't have any planning and zoning business they would
only need to meet once do some annexation stuff if there was something. But um I know there's a lot of stuff going on and and it's probably if you're doing planning and zoning work, which we've had a lot of the sign codes gone through there, several other things they're they're they're working on. Um you just can't throw another thing on
them at the same meeting. They just they can't be here all day. So what works best. We'll reach out. Okay. Can I say Sure. So, you mentioned planning and zoning. As far as acquisition, Andy, who who is
actually at the bottom line, who who who goes after properties for the city and or um annexation? Who who's is it is it on the planning zoning committee or is it CRA or who is it? I I think it's me, sir. We don't have a
like a property manager or something like that. So, uh uh I've sent letters out to on three properties that we're interested in for our water treatment facility, water improvement, and uh we've got an offer
um in writing or an initial offer. We haven't negotiated yet. I wanted to run it past council first, but uh for two of the three properties uh kind of north of us here and u the other one one property the owner's
out of town for another month but he wants to meet with us. It wasn't listed for sale but we looked up who owned it and they're both interested. So um u because I'm not an expert at real estate acquisition. I was talking with the
attorney earlier about our options of uh getting a real estate attorney or hiring a realtor. Uh we want to avoid conflict of interest. We we have some realtors here on local boards, but conflict of interest with them represented. We'd have to look look to a
realtor that's not on a board, but hopefully local. Okay. Thank you, sir. Y Okay. Uh, next up is our consent agenda. Look for a motion and or discussion.
Make a motion we approve the Okay. Is there a second? Second. Okay. Motion second. Any further discussion? Yes. Go ahead. I'm noticing that the second line item there for 5238411 stated 325 from the city of Newport Richie for the limit and Broadway
Stewart. So evidently they're behind on sending us invoices for respective months. So that's April and May and June is still outstanding. That's three months at $50,000 a month. That's aboutund 156,000.
So we contacted them to address why they are late getting their uh invoices to us. Yes, my clerk reached out to him last week and um again this week from what she told me today. We haven't
received any information back from but we'll I'll reach out again tomorrow. Well, maybe we can reach out to somebody in the audience there and maybe they can follow up. I'll do that. Oh, anything else?
Okay. Okay. All in favor signify by saying I opposed. Motion carries. Okay, next up is uh council business. Uh first up item number two, approval of Stantech waterway dredging data collection and feasibility analysis services. I'll pass that to Mr.
Butterfield for introduction. Thanks, Mr. Mayor. On direction by city council, my predecessor initiated contact with Stantech Incorporated to create a proposal of services for the city of Port Richie's dredging program. Stantech has developed a comprehensive scope of services that encompasses all
necessary studies and surveys required to obtain permits for dredging. Uh if approved, the city will be using the piggyback uh contract uh form from uh used by Hernando County just north of us to make the purchase. And Matt is here
today. He's got a presentation for the council on what uh this would involve. Welcome, Matt. Thanks for being here tonight. Hello. Hello. Uh my name is Matthew Starr with Stantech Consulting Services based out of Clearwater, Florida. Uh thank you for having me. Uh we do have a
scope in front of city council currently. Uh the purpose of this presentation is to run through the scope of services and explain what the proposed tasks are and uh answer any questions that you may have. Uh so as Andrew mentioned, uh we've been working
with the city over the past few weeks to develop a scope of work. gone back and forth on a couple things and uh this is the the current proposal that we have in front of you now. So, if you don't know who Stantech is, uh we're currently doing a little bit of financial services work for the city um with one of our
groups out of our Tampa office. Uh but we've been around about 70 years. Uh we're 32,000 employees across six continents. Uh we have 16 offices in Florida. Uh for this project, our staff are based out of Clearwater, Tampa, and Riverview. Uh for the dredging work, I
live in St. compete myself. So, uh not too far away from here. Um but we do a lot of coastal engineering and environmental services. Um if you're wondering who Stantech is is when it comes to dredging, uh this is just a short list of uh local municipalities, counties, and cities within Florida
where we're doing dredging projects currently. Um as Andrew mentioned, we are currently working for Hernando County. I'm doing a waterways study for them. uh looking at a a similar approach to dredge their uh coastal waterways and upland cut canals.
Uh we're doing similar work for the city of Tarpon Springs right now too and getting further, you know, south of here, east of here. Uh we're working all over the state as well. So for this project, there are a couple different project areas. Uh the primary
location is Miller's Bayou. Um, there's a lot of upland cut canals around the bayou. On the north side of the bayou, there are also uh two more upland cut canals and then one that leads out to the Gulf.
And there's also, it's a little bit hard to see on this screen here, um, but just to the east of Miller's Bayou, there's a little pond system in there as well that is included in this, uh, scope of work to look at dredging going forward.
So, in the scope of work that Stantech has, uh, there's a couple different task items. We're going to review existing data, and we'll go through each of these in a second. uh hydrographic survey, calculate volumes of dredge material, conduct a submerge resource survey for oysters and seaggrass. Um also look at
the sediment with the geotechnical investigation, engage the core and DP about permitting and then ultimately provide a memo for a path forward and then present those findings to city council you know at some point in the future here. Uh so the first task uh the
city has had other consultants help them with dredging permits in the past. Uh the city provided us about 13 years of historic permits, expired permits, um data, all kinds of different dredge template design. So our first task is to take
that 13 years of data that is out there and see what is available, see what we can use, see what we can piggy back on to help get permits for this project going forward. Second task is a hydrographic survey. Uh this is an example from one we did for Tarpon Springs a few months ago. Um,
we're going to go survey the canals. It was on the figure within Miller's Bayou and around Miller's Bayou. It's about 7 and a half miles of canals altogether. So, no no small feat for surveying here. We're also going to look at rock probes.
Uh, we know that there's a lot of rock within the county. So, we want to know how much sediment is are in your canals and how much rock is in your canals. Because ultimately if we want to d uh dredge to minus 5 ft mean low water there's a cost for sediment and there's a cost for rock. Obviously the rock is
going to be a lot more expensive. Um but as you can see in the example on the screen with this data we can determine the top of the sediment, bottom of the sediment and top of the rock and then come up with volumes and help and really ultimately answer the question how much is this going to cost from a
construction standpoint. So once we get that data, again, this is an example from Tarpon Springs, just to the south of us here. We're going to go through and come up with a dredge template, look at how much volume is in each canal, and then ultimately be able to relate that to a cost going forward. So this is just
an example with each one of these tasks, what we'll run through and ultimately provide with this deliverables to the city and ultimately in a report and a path forward to the city. Uh, one of the big tasks here, uh, is the submerge resource survey.
With any permitting in Florida, uh, D and the Army Corps require a submerged resources survey, sometimes called a benthic survey, to look at seaggrass, oysters, sponges, and soft corals. The regulatory agencies only accept this survey during seaggrass growing season,
which is dictated by the federal government. This must be conducted between June 1 and September 30th. And when this is completed, then we have one year to submit permit applications after this. So to move a project forward and submit permit applications, we have to get a
survey done by the end of September. Otherwise, we have to wait till June 1st of next year before the agencies will accept any type of survey data from the field. Can I ask a quick question? Absolutely. Is it within your uh plan to get that
seaggrass survey done prior to September one 30th or 30th? September 30th. Yep. So, I've already talked with our staff in our Clearwater office. Um, they've penciled it in for mid August, you know, pending the decision, you know, to move forward with the scope of work tonight. That's going through every canal in the
areas and a consensus of whether there's seaggrass or any other. Yeah. So, what that involves, it's it's three scientists in the field. You have one person in the water, one person on the boat with a GPS, and then one person driving the boat, and they're just going back and forth up and down 7 and a half
miles of canals. So you'll see this is a big expenditure in the task but it's very labor intensive to do this question since you're on the topic. Okay. So I saw that as well where it's only good for a year to submit the permits.
So I guess my concern is as we as we look at this are we are we boxing ourselves in we got to of course I I want to move obviously but um obviously cost type things approach I use big big expense to to dredge. So if we apply for
the permits how long are those permits then good for if they're applied for within that year time frame or do we still have quite a bit of time or I touch on that on a slide. Okay. In two or three. Okay I'll wait. Yeah. I just I wasn't sure if you covered that or not. I'll tie it all together for you. Um, so this
is just part of the permitting process is to collect data. Uh, one of the other things that the agencies require is a geotechnical investigation. So they want to look at physical and chemical analysis of the sediment, which basically lets us look at some of the priority pollutant metals, which are
your arsenic, coppers, your semiol organic compounds, and a couple other items on here as well. What this does is let us look at the sediment, see if there's any type of these constituents in them. We also look to see if they're above residential or commercial soil
cleanup target levels. If they're below commercial target levels, they can be used for road base or paving material. If they're below residential levels, they can be used on a playground or spread as cover. A lot of different options. So, this is something that lets us figure out where and what we're going
to do with the material. But for permitting, the agencies also want to know what's in it. So they can say, "All right, I'm going to permit you to take it to the landfill, use it for daily cover, use it for road base." That'll be part of the the discussion down the line. Quick question. Yes, sir.
We have an existing dredge pile. Could that be investigated as well or added to the scope to determine what those been there too long? what those uh metals might be in there and it can't be used or sold in another source.
Are you referring to the previous canal that was dredged a few years ago where the material stock dredge material that's sitting there now? Yep. That's certainly something uh we could take a look at. Um it would just be a matter of taking a couple soil samples and providing them to the lab.
And then these then you could and and we could potentially have a source to dispose of that at that point. Correct. And maybe even make money on it potentially. There's always a need for fill. So we can certainly, you know,
discuss that, you know, with staff and and see what direction they may give us. Okay. Uh that's the one of the tasks for geotechnical investigation talking about permitting. So after the data collection is complete here, we have to determine a
permitting pathway forward. the type of the permit that the agencies may issue. Uh DP, they could issue general permits or environmental resource permits. A full environmental resource permit is about 9 to 12 months for review and
approval after application. Uh the Army Corps of Engineers, they could issue a maintenance dredging permit as a nationwide or they could request us to an individual permit. What we're seeing from the Army Corps right now is about 24 to 36 months on
the permitting timelines. Um this is due to in reality staffing shortages in Florida. Um there's just a couple people that process these applications. So it takes a long time to get them through and what you want to do is you want to get your permit basically in line. So uh
to answer uh the mayor's question about timing on this. So what we would do is collect the seaggrass survey and basically from the date of that survey, we have one year to submit a permit application. Once we submit the permit application
and we're within that one-year time frame, if it takes 24 to 36 months to go through the permitting process, we still check the box. We did our due diligence, did the survey, and submitted it on time to the agencies. They're not going to come back and say, "Well, this is three years old. Now you need another seaggrass service." They
could potentially do that. I have not seen them do that, but that's a negotiating item here. You know, we're and really what we're going to do, we do the seaggrass survey and then we can optimize our dredge template design. If we see there's some seaggrass here, we
can design our channel around it to potentially avoid impacts to it. So, that's something that'll come out during the process. But, as far as an updated seaggrass survey during the permitting process, I have not seen that. Not to say it could not happen, but we have
about a dozen of these permit applications in right now and they haven't asked for it. And and the other other side of that question more important to me is let's forget those time frames. Let's say we put the application in within that year and they come back and they they grant a
permit. What's the duration of that permit normally? So the D permit, these are typically five-year permits and then you can apply for extensions. Okay. So, the the the big thing here is as the city works over the next couple
years to find funding for the project, it's not very expensive to maintain your permit and extend it. Um, I have a permit with the city of Naples. I've extended since 2007. They've had it for 18 years. You get this permit. They might ask you to do a
seaggrass survey in the next five or 10 years, but that's a little bit of money to spend to not have to go through the the big lift at the beginning, right? Um, so that's how the D works. They're fiveyear extensions. Army Corps is typically a fiveyear extension, a
five-year extension, and then a two-year extension. At that year 12 mark, they want to see an update of hydrographic survey because the volumes of material are probably going to have changed in the last decade. They want to make sure the numbers in their permit still reflect the the current intent of the
project. And then after that two-year extension, then you can get another five. So you can easily extend these out for the next 15 to 17 years. If you don't let them expire, if you let it expire, we start over. Yeah. And I guess is that have you seen some of our the permits stuff that we we
had in the past? I have. Is that what happened? They they just let expire and come up expired. So that's essentially we just flushed all that money down the drain. Um I'm not going to comment on but
well I just did we're here to help with the current project and the current request by city staff and I did hear you say something. This is a this is a scope of minus 5 ft. That is the intent right now. So minus 5
ft in Florida is pretty standard for quote unquote maintenance dredging. If we go below minus five feet mean low water, the regulatory agencies look at it as new dredging and you get into the discussion of creating new waters of the
state and essentially they're going to make you pay a fee to create new waters and and dredge deeper than that. So deeper down here. So it's possible you we we can permit it. It's just we were thinking this was it maintenance dredge which would just
remove the sediments that's there. Now if there happens to be a rock in the middle of something that we need to move out of the way that you know pull that rock but y predominantly these canals have got three foot of dredge or sludge
yep muck in there that needs to be and you're only talking about the the center 20t right? Uh that's still to be determined. You we have to do our our surveys and come up with a dredge template design. But typically we offset our template from
docks, seaw walls, boat lifts, structures anywhere from 5 to 10 ft just to avoid any impacts that may happen. So you could potentially be looking at a 20ft cut in some of the more narrow canals, but that may fluctuate. It could be 20, 25. It could vary. you know that
that'll kind of vary with the width of the canal because we also want to you know clean up the waterways too. The muck is not good from an environmental water quality standpoint. We get all the you know the muck out that helps enhance the seagrass and and oysters and well other thing out it all landed there
because of storm water runoff. That's what we're trying to do is improve our waterways, improve our storm water runoff, and potentially address address opportunities where grants can help us facilitate this cleanup. Exactly. And the 60 years of avoiding maintenance
dredging on these canals. That's what we're trying to accomplish. Yeah, it's a it's a big task. Touch on it. You've got Stantech has grant seekers that can help look for grants to help us pay. Yeah. Thanks, Matt. I've got a question. Yes,
Chris. Um, so this is a big ticket, you know, to get you guys to go out there and see what we need to do to actually get the permits. Is there anything because we change, we we die, we move on. The city managers, they seem to come and go like used car salesman. I mean, nothing against you, Andy, but they come
and go pretty quick. What is there? Do you guys have anything in place to have a red flag come up say, "By the way, city of Port Rich is in five years." Is there anything at all you guys have? Um, can you rephrase the question again? I'm not sure I understand. You guys have anything that would remind us
that we need to refresh that permit or do we just like move on and somebody forgets that we start over again? You know, I mean, well, I mean, hopefully we're still working for you in five years. And uh I mean with my current clients, I usually touch base with them about
once a year, say, "Hey, you got two years left. You got three years left." We don't have an official mailing system near the list of clients I I mentioned earlier. you know, I just database or anything that you have that I we could certainly look at, you know, an automatic mailer. Um,
but I think the question is onus is on us to make sure we act on purpose. Well, it's real simple. Assign the role to somebody to write her on it and that's their job. Yeah. And my next question would be is is to
Ashley. Do we have anything in place to remind us of anything like that kind of stuff? His name is style. He's the corporate knowledge. I mean, you can set up the calendar on
the calendar things like that. But unfortunately in in the past, the reason why some of these, you know, these permits have lapsed is, you know, changing administration, changing council, right? You know, you've had you've had we we've been working on this dredging program
for over 20 25 years. And you know we only have had one canal completed so far it but that's because your you know your council changes administration changes it and then that administration is given new direction and they follow that direction and in order to keep this
coming this needs you know a strategic plan that the council puts in place should supersede change no matter what changes administration changes or council changes and as long as you stick to that strategic plan moving forward you you will
those opportunities to renew permits or continue projects that go 5 10 15 or even 20 years because this program once once started you technically don't really stop because even when you get to the end of that that last canal you're still going to go back and do redo that
first canal maybe not take out as much as you did the first time but it's that maintenance that maintenance you want to do and then get to a point where you're literally not taking anything at all then you can take a fiveyear break reassess but you never really stop the program it's like paying roads, you know, you never really stop. You're
always doing something to the roads. So, it's the same thing that you want to do to these canals and and extend past council and and administration at the same time. I I I think when we when we look at this, we we make a decision to move forward, we need to make a decision to move forward and we stay the course
and we we complete the project. It's probably in the past is, you know, it's start these things, we throw some money at it, then things change and then it just goes by wayside. is, you know, if if that's if that's the this the way we're thinking, we probably just stop here. And I
that's what I'm getting to. I mean, I think we have a responsibility to make this not like a whim or a feel. It's part of a we have to it needs to be in our code. This is what we do do. This is part of the program. So when they get up here, it's not it's not like how they feel about it, you know?
And I think we can look at things possibly to try to back to the goals that we set up. We need to go back and revisit those goals. And in the past, council started it down one path and then did a hard ride and
we're working on the waterfront district and no longer looking at canal dredging and they left all the all the permits expired and the you know the residents missed out on them. So going forward, we need to keep the goals present, annual
reviews of our goals and ensure that the the appropriate goals that the residents feel are appropriate are moved to the front and ensure that we move forward on. So I I can assure you this is important to the residents. Everyone I talk to this
is keep it in old business and categorize it. Old business is constantly there to review every meeting. Absolutely. Andy, I think S said it well and I appreciate that. I I kidding about being the corporate knowledge, but S and I were just talking this week about making sure
we have a modern system because your point's well taken, Vice Mayor, of capturing deadlines. So, six months out, you get a reminder. Great to have a enduring relationship with somebody like Matt, too. We're trying to pick our engineers to be young so we don't have to change them very very often. And uh
so uh uh but I think um South put it really well. It's like pavement of roads. It should be part of it. Uh it's a I think you called it the f the uh the family jewels or the crown jewels and and it's so it's a strategic asset that we need to maintain uh keep the canals
from ever getting close to clogging up. So but I I appreciate the point of making sure it doesn't drop by the wayside. At least the old material that the city had. and I dug through my drawers that uh my old desk and we found a lot of stuff. It's a good at least
helpful historic knowledge and starting point, right, Matt? Absolutely. We gave it. Yeah. And you know, some of our other clients that we work for, you know, city of Tarpon Springs, they have uh dredging maintenance written into their charter. Um city of Naples, they have it written
into their code of ordinances. So, you know, maybe there's something you could potentially look at where you get it in writing. So, you know, 20 years from now, somebody can go in there and say, "Oh, you know, they made a decision, you know, to move forward in this pathway." Um, it might be worth, you know, a quick
reach out to, you know, some adjacent communities on how they do that. But I think I have one or two more slides left here. And, uh, this is just a summary slide, you know, of the fee that's proposed in the Stantech scope of work, uh, to wrap this up. And the the final
slide here was just questions. I know we had a few already, but anything else? If you want to go back to that slide with the money on, I had Sure. Um, so a couple of these things you guys are subcontracting out to a couple different entities, right? Correct. And and I saw in the packet those those
costs were there. And so if you look at task 101, which is 129 854. Um, so that my question is that's going out to Morgan and Elland, Inc. Yep. On their their estimate it was like 102 279 and
10959 so 113 I guess you guys are doing something on top of that is that so with the Hernando County contract uh we mark up our expenses 10% and subs 10% so basically that's 10% on top of the subs fee for us to review their deliverables pay their invoices you know
insurance stuff just to clarify it didn't didn't spell that out necessarily in here and is that saying there's another amount. It seemed like it might have been more than 10%, but there it was the Yeah, there's a geotech sub for chemical
testing. That's PACE labs in Tampa. Pace and TSF. And then TSFGO, that's for the physical testing. Uh they're over in Tampa, too. And so your your amount was 31456, right? Yeah. Technical. And if I add the
TSF and PACE together, it was uh let me get down to that. pace was 9200, the TSF was uh 7500. That's more than 10%. So is it is it
those are just the lab testing fees. So the Stantech staff, we have to go out and collect the sediment, put it in jars. So the other 15ish of that is our labor to go out on a boat, collect the samples, and that's what that's kind of what I thought. That's kind combination of the two. And
those hours and breakdown are also included in the back of the scope as well. Thanks, Clifford. Yes, sir. Some of the scope in your diagrams and stuff, I I know the canal or the bayou area that's east of Old Coast Road.
Okay. Right on my canal. That's a non-navigable water. You can't get through a boat through a twoft pipe. It doesn't go anywhere. So why would we would be dredging that
is beyond I can tell you okay every all the sediment dumps into that pond there and that pond is a I get that but why'd you ask so well because don't think it's necessary
I don't think it's necessary you don't think it's necessary to pull the muck out of that thing well no I think natural waterway doesn't need be a priority. It could be later on in scope, but the point being is
that never that area never runs to dirt. My canal runs to dirt, everything that's in your canal comes from there. There could be accomplished in a lot of ways. They can they can build a wear in front
of that so it traps the sediment at the front end of that thing and then they can remove it periodically. But the point the point is is it's non-navigable. You can't get out past Old Post Road. It's it's a pond or retention pond
essentially. So for what it's worth and it's not a lot of area. Well, if you dredge it out, you're still going to have sediment coming out of there. Yeah, that's the whole point, right? That's where the sediment's going to go, right? If you're if you're not accomplishing, if you don't suck the stuff out of it, the dirt's going to come down. It's
going to run right across just like a washboard that doesn't have any any ripples in it. All the stuff's going to run straight across to to your canal. Fill it out. You're saying you're drenching that out so all the material settles in there instead of the canal. That's the idea behind that. I think that's the design. As water flushes in there, the sediment dries, it
doesn't go back out and it doesn't go into Dave's canal. In front of my doc question, I eat a mug. I had another question on the material. Uh from my understanding, the river was dredged a couple years ago from Port Richie Marina and they had the
material tested and it's tested clean. They said as far as very low arsenic and heavies. Okay. If that's the case, do we have options on locating the material once it's been dred? Like can we put that outside the
old dredge old spoils outside river to help protect the waterway there? Does it have to be specifically put on land? Let's take a look and see what's in it first. If it's more muck and organic consistency, the Army Corps is probably
not going to let you put it offshore. If it was like nice coarse sand and it's going to sit in one place, they'd probably let you do it. But the muck is very fine material, so when that gets suspended, it kind of disperses. And obviously with seaggrasses offshore and hard bottom, they're probably not going
to bite on that. I'm 99% sure for this project, they're probably going to require upland disposal for the material. Um, you know, and if there's arsenic or copper in it, some of that's easily explainable. And, you know, arsenic's naturally occurring in Florida soils, so they don't really harp on that
one too much. You know, copper, that's going to be in your bottom paint on boats. It's going to be in your pressuret treated pilings that are in the water. So sometimes we'll see those too, but nine times out of 10 when we get that material on land, dry it, let the sand the the sun naturally attenuate
it, bake it, mix it all back together, dry, and when we retest it, it comes back clean. So you know, in situ it might be there. We get it out, dry it, mix it with good material, and then we can find something to reuse it for on the upland side rather than just the landfill. But sometimes the landfill,
they need daily cover, so they'll just take it for free if we truck it. We like to restore the island, the spoil outside river for protection from storms and so forth. Yeah. Durn key. I But if the sand is possible,
if it was more sandy coarse material, you'd probably have some better success with that. Yeah. But if this is going to be organic muck, you know, kind of stinky stinky material muck. Yeah. They're they're not going to do it. I just did a project in Tampa Bay with it and Army Corps said no. So, and
you can always ask, but they're probably going to make it go uplands. So, I had a question on the the scope where you had the diagram that showed the Miller's Bayou and then the two canals above that. Um, I got an old
diagram here, Taylor Engineering, and I'm not sure if this was in there was a there was a bunch of dredging documents put together um before. I think that was forwarded on to you guys. Yes, this map may or may not have been in
there, but some of the work was, but this was a good full map of the of the city. And there were some things in here that were originally scoped. And the reason I branched your attention is you guys kind of covered the yellow. Um I think you had a couple of these green ones here and the blue and the blue up here.
Yep. On the north side of the um obviously this green one down here on the east side that was actually done. That's where that's what created the um the dredge material site is the dredging that area. But we've got this connector down here with with a deer circle, the
red um as well as these these green inlets here and and some of these other canals. I guess where did that scope that you had come from and why does it not include some of these other things that were part of the city as well? Sure. So we had uh two scoping meetings
with city staff and we actually looked at all the canals up on the wall and said, you know, do we want to do anything on the south side of the Cody River? and you we collectively decided with city staff that they may not they may not need to be done right now. So, we were just going to focus on the
north side of the river. Okay. What about the west side of US19? I'm sorry, one more time. The west side of US19 over there. Um on the the bottom right of the screen, you got that little green air. It's already been dredged, but there's an area all
the way along that bank all the way up to Newport Richie. You want East Side 19? East side 19. East side, I'm sorry. East side of the river. East side river on the east side of 19. Yes. Yeah. Right. Beyond that. Yeah. Our city goes further south. Yeah. There's a runs off Manatee Point.
Two blocks. Yeah. Two blocks past that. And there's there's there's no water in there at low tide at all for anybody over there. some of that uh is is a river which probably is out of scope for the city I guess right potentially
is probably the reason why other than the city that's the city well right but there's different I mean that's a federal is a federal channel I guess that does the rivers or state I believe the state did that most recently but I mean that's something that can certainly be for discussion if
there's other canals that need to be added um you know you'd probably want to do it now while we're doing the data collection. Well, that's kind of what I'm wondering if it I mean obviously cost goes up. It does, right? So maybe maybe it is more prudent
to kind of cover the the lines. It's one lane. It's just one lane. One lane we talking about no longer bank. It's not like there's canal and it's not that far either. No, it's but you know because city limit is just two blocks. This is a great
exercise and I'm just concerned about dropping 300 grand and we've consulted with staff. We haven't talked to anybody else that's out there. Well, we're getting the message right now. Okay. So, that's what we're here for. That's kind of why I'm bringing this up. So some of that has been dredged
already. So it's not necessary at this point, but they can survey that. But they can also look, like I said, you go all the way up to the end of Manatee Points, all part of the city. And you got low tide as a foot, sometimes six inches of water in there. You can't get your boat off only at high tide. I'm one
of the fortunate ones. I can get my boat off most of the time, but low tide, you can't get out of there. Even medium tide, a lot of people can't get out of there. They got boats they just can't they can't hardly use them. And that's in the city of limits. It's not inside the state waterway. That's in
the bayou. That's moonlit bayou. That's us. I I wonder if it if it wouldn't be prudent for you guys just to go back and put a pencil to a larger scope and then then we have the full picture and then we can say, "Okay, well, we'll take the
red off, we'll take the green off." Because I, you know, again, I don't want anybody to be left out. And if they are being left out, we need to have the reason why. Sure. And we can show that cause. So here's So we need to somehow phase this in. Obviously the goal would be to get the
whole area done. Um and obviously we can't eat the elephant at one once, right? And so, but I think this this initial thing, at least if we kind of scope it full, then we kind of know what it's going to take to do the whole area and then we can kind of strategically
pick canals are some of those canals are like 9 ft deep. Some of the green ones on the uh the west side, you may not need just because you're doing one canal doesn't mean you have to do that canal from the beginning to the end of it. Correct. Can't you hit a
canal that just has spots? He has to survey it to tell us that. I mean, you don't necessarily have to dredge the whole length of every one of those canals. Take a measurement now, right? But this is measurement to determine the scope that will be bid out for a
subsequent dredge quote. Right. Go ahead, man. We're going to get we're going to get documents that we won't be able to bid with. Right. with this scope of work. This only takes you up through data collection and pre-application meetings. This is allow us to bid with this.
This is phase one of the scope of work because we want to see what that data is and see what we need to do to permit it. So when this phase of work is completed, we'll come back with a phase two scope of work for design, permitting, bidding,
contractor, procurement to get you to the finish line and get a contract. How much would that cost? What do you anticipate? We have to see how many canals need to be dredged. Um what you know, how deep we're going to go. And that's why I don't give a price for that now because
I got to get the data and see what it is. Otherwise, I'm going to have to throw a real conservative number out there, and I don't like to do that. Yeah. And so, to go back to Councilman Council, yes. Question as you guys do your analysis, let's just let's just say that you uh
take this one canal on the east side there, not in scope, but just a small piece. Let's say that you guys look at that as your question. Can you just look at the certain spot? Correct. Somebody actually do it because there might just may be spots in that channel. Correct. So
the entire channel when we complete our volume calculation task and give plan views and cross view sections of the data back to the city there's going to be a set of sheets in there that's going to show everything above minus 5 ft mean low water. So
imagine like a sandbar for lack of a better term. There might be some areas of the canal that are grayed out with no dredging and there might be some lumps or sholes here, lumps or sholes there. So we'll know exactly where to permit and where to send a contractor for that. So we'll be able to pinpoint that with this survey.
And all the inside turns are always worse than the outside turns. Yeah. So that's where the the sediment's going to fall out a little little faster. So this comes back and says, "Here's your potholes. Here's where you need to fix them. Here's an entire road needs to be replaced." And that's the intent of the feasibility memo at the end. let us get the data and
then we're going to give you a recipe, you know, a cookbook for here's the next steps how you work through the project to ultimately bid the project, get a contractor and start cleaning up these canals. So you might be a quarter of a canal, half a canal or you or you might have might be minus
9 and you have no dredging in a canal. We had previously had discussion about hey let's just hit the problem areas to allow ingress and egress. So if we know that there's an oyster bar or silt in a particular canal right in the middle,
maybe we just address that and that will that will be in your study that that we can say, hey, we can do this approach to doing that. We've had low tide for the surveys. All of our surveys are tied to an
elevation of vertical datam of NAVD88. So, it doesn't matter if we're high or low tide. Um, we tie it to a datim and and you can't use any of that data because that was in the previous studies because I saw where they had very detailed drawings of every canal with
the depth and where the rock was and that material. I mean, that's essentially what you're going to get from our study, but obviously use what we have to go ahead and go with that again, right? We've had hurricanes and and whatnot and that the data is outdated at this point.
Obviously, if there's rock data available, that's not going to change, right? But the the sediment data that is going to fluctuate, you know, year to year, you know, decade to decade with that info. You think those hurricanes would really flushed a lot of that out in
it moved it. He's going to find out where it did. So, understand that. Do what's y'all's thinking on the scope that they presented? Obviously, which was Miller's Bay, the blue canals up there. Do you
think we ought to table it and have them come back with a a bigger scope? Going to run against the seagrass thing. Is that a problem? Depends on how quick we can get a scope. If we go a month, we're going to jeopardize that, right?
You're pushing the time limit of that point because we've got this the scientific diver teams like I have them in Cape Coral today on a project. We're just going to run out of window. Okay. If I could So if we were to get started with what we have and then immediately
start because I see you take time to do all this. We could we could have you guys look at some of the other stuff and we could have an addendum to that later on says add this on or whatever potentially. Yeah. Okay. And sorry this hasn't been done in the past
20 years, but here it is. We got to get this done. And I don't care if we have to get a loan to finish this. How lucky have you how well have you done with grants like a city like us and and what we're doing. I know you can't make a commitment. I'm just
5050. It it depends. It depends on what funding is available at the time, right? It changes fiscal year to fiscal year. Um it just depends. And if you can show that the the project is not just for navigation, it's more for water quality enhancement, enhance the oysters, the
scallops, etc. Right? Then that opens you up to more like national fish and wildlife uh foundation funding. NIFW available. You just have to frame the project correctly. Project this is a 10-year view. So
what if you could show that it's for safety because our guys are run running out on calls. We had all that information and said, "Hey, especially in that area where they need to go out." The FWC does have grant program. So
potentially from the state side, you might have some opportunity there. But does safety come in to play? It should. I I've seen it come into play where if one of my clients has a a very adamant, you know,
police department, fire department, where they say, "Hey, I can't get my fireboat out at low tide. I need help." if they get some if if the grant gets support from local leaders let's say I have seen better response with that you know versus just kind of you know the
consultant asking for a grant for a client actually getting the the stakeholders involved writing letters making phone calls that does go a long way thank you yeah so like I don't want to get too far in the weeds out there's lots of pieces of this funding is a big piece obviously
but uh we need to get started on this is a we have to do this work this preliminary work to to do the study and find out what we're up against. So I well he should do I think I'd like to see him analyze the whole shoreline. Okay. I mean I think we we we get
started what we got and then immediately look at you know adding the rest of stuff in. Anything's missing from this diagram. This is something that is about as comprehensive as I've seen. And and I see another one that's missing. If you go back to your slide, let me put
it's the one right after the sandbar. uh right off of Hooters. It's that big long canal that um you'll pull up his diagram. Pull up your with the Miller's Bayou diagram. That one.
You see that one? That's just where it says 200 typical rights at the bottom. There's nothing there. Oh, right there in that little curve. So, that's missing. And then you got the the cut that runs out to
basically the shortcut coming out to the Pith Cody uh the Cody River that we should be just going along the docks and not making that dog leg to the right. That should go down along the docks. Yeah, absolutely.
That doesn't make any sense. Why are we making a shortcut there? Uh that's where the shrimpers go out and they make a shortcut. But but the actual channel runs along the docks right up to Port Richie Marina, right? Yep.
So, and there are some changes that probably need to be addressed. That's not a big deal. We can point that out to But I think we can adjust that on the fly. Right. Right. Yeah. If we have to, you know, shift where the survey lines are in the field, that's not a problem. Yeah. Um I I think the you know the
larger discussion is you what canals do you want to include in the project right we just went through a similar exercise with the city of Tarpon Springs in 2024 where we did I'm going to call it a short list of canals
did our scope of work presented it and then ultimately the residents came out additional city staff came on board and they wanted to expand the project So essentially we had to start over from day one and do everything again to include all the other canals in it
because it's a year later miss seaggrass season etc. So I think if the you we can certainly revise our scope if you just tell us hey we want to include here here and here not a problem and that way when we send the surveyors in the field the scientists in the field we're not paying
to mo and demob multiple times we hit it hard while we're out there and get it all done at once. make a motion. I'm Yes. I represent um homeowners in Harbor Point and we have a marina. We actually have a marina with all the boats in there. Okay.
And it's right on the the Cody River and there's a whole bunch of area in there that needs to be dredged. We have no looking at it or saying anything about it because nobody from there is here and I'm here, right? So, I would be kind of derelict of duty if I didn't say, "Hey, we got a problem over there that we need to look at, too." Yeah, there's lots of
Well, if you go back to your your graph up there, it would show that. But you said we got seven and a half miles of canal right now. The way it's currently drawn. So maybe it's 8 and a half. Mhm. You know, I mean, round numbers, you're going to do cost per unit times, you
know, if we're going to do it. Yeah. You know, if we're going to do this, if we're gonna make this our water community and fix the problem we got, you know, we're gonna eliminate Harbor Point. You know, no for us. You know what I mean? No, it needs to be in there, too. Yeah, we need to look at the whole all the
residents that are unpacked. Just right now we've got 200,000 budgeted to get started. Um, and we think finance director can reassure me, but I think Penny from Pasco to provide the delta that we would need to get this
going and then kind of an all the car menu after that to add on extra areas. So, we got another budget cycle getting ready to kick off. We got three months left in this year. It's going to it's not going to happen. All these payments aren't going to be due up front. They're going to be timed not timed out over,
you know, three or four months. Right. Right. So, we're going to have phase one for two thou 200,000 this year and we'll put three or 400,000 in next year. Right. We need to get started. Yeah. So, I'd like to make a motion. Okay. I'd like to make motion to approve the purchase of Stampant Tech Waterway
dredging data collection and feasibility analysis services and give uh Andy the city manager and Nancy the city attorney authority to negotiate contract for the city manager to approve. Okay. Second is any other discussion?
Yes. I think we also need them to respoke this in that process and determine what else is missing from this chart so that we move forward with the complete picture instead of a peacemail approach. Agreed. Is that
well? Okay. Any other questions, comments? Okay. Any public comment? Okay. Seeing none, I bring back for a vote. All in favor signify by saying I. I opposed. Motion carried. Thank you. Thank you all for your time.
Working with you closely soon. Appreciate it. Thank you, Matt. Okay. Next up, we've got three items that are uh quasi judicial items. Start with item number three, 7717 Pier Road Demolition
Appeal. Uh I will pass that to Miss Meyer for introduction. Actually, if I could before we we do that, if you can look at agenda item number five, which is 754575417547 Pier Road, I believe the owner of that property or the the um interested persons for that party and the building
official have come to an agreement um if council is amanable to um table that for 30 days. Is that correct? Yes. Motion table second. Any further discussion? And this is on agenda item number five. Yes.
Okay. All right. So now any public comment on item number five? Okay. Seeing none, I put to a vote. All in favor signify by saying I. I. Opposed. Motion carries. So item number five is tabled. Thank you. And go back to item number three. Yes. Um and I'd like to before we get started with item number three, talk
about what's going to happen for item number three and number four. Um they're the same process. I sent a memo earlier this week to kind of give you a breakdown of the code and the provisions of the code that this falls under. This is an appeal of a demolition order that's been issued by the building
department. The way this will work is um in this first case here, Dr. Nelly's is here. He will have a chance to tell you why he does not think that um the slum and blight order is proper for his property um with any testimony or evidence that he has has brought to
share with us today. Um once he is done speaking the building official or myself on behalf of the city can ask him questions. Then of course council can ask him questions. Once that is complete the building official and myself will present information for council to consider. Mr. Dr. Janelli can then ask
the building official questions and council can ask the building official questions. Then you guys can do your thing and make your decision. Um they are quasi judicial and of course the next one will will run the same path. So stop Dr. originally will be with the other the other applicant. Um the code
provisions I provided gives you explains to you the different options that you have. Um once you hear all the the evidence and facts presented of um what you can do, you can uh agree with the um appeal and say we don't feel that the the um we feel that the information the
appellants brought forward shows that that the property does not meet the standards the building official has opined on. Or you can say no, we deny the appeal. we agree with the building official or the third option is similar to what we just did. You basically could give them more time if they've explained their their plan for reconstruction or
rehabilitation. Um in theory per your code that information should have been provided already. The building official could review it but you still could do that today and let them have that have more time to do that. Um so as mentioned these are quas judicial. So I do want to remind you of what that
means. The these are quasi judicial proceedings where the city council acts in a quasi judicial rather than a legislative capacity. At a quasi judicial hearing, it's not council's function to make law, but rather to apply law that has already been established. In a quasi judicial hearing, council's required by law to make finding a fact based upon evidence
presented at the hearing and apply those finding a fact to previously established criteria contained in the city's code of ordinances in order to make the legal decision regarding the application before it. Council may only consider evidence at the hearing that the law considers competent, substantial, and relevant to the issues. If competent, substantial, and relevant evidence at
the hearing demonstrate the applicant has met the criteria established in the code, then the then council's required by law to find find in favor of the applicant. By the same token, if competent, substantial, and a little bit evidence of the hearing demonstrates the applicant has failed to meet the criteria, council's required by law to
find against the applicant. At this point, I'll ask if any council member has had any any exparte communications regarding this application um for agenda item number three. So, I have spoken with Dr. Jelly long time ago back when this was on the agenda uh back in 2023, I believe. Um
but haven't spoke to him since. Um so, I'm familiar with the case obviously from that conversation. Anyone else? One more. And then, uh Tate, who's also here, I he reached out to me yesterday and asked um a question. And I said I had not reviewed the material that I'd be reviewing it that evening. Um that
was the extent of that. I said we we'd review all the basically described how it where a quasi hearing works and that um you know we'd be presented both staff and the opportunity for the applicant and then we'd take that information and we we would apply the law accordingly.
Okay. Anyone else? Right. Anybody anybody on council have a conflict of interest with this application? No. No. Anyone providing testimony regarding to this hearing? Do you please stand and be sworn by the city clerk that includes staff for everybody?
The um agenda item number four. I'm not sure what the address is for that. Uh 7717. If you go ahead and be sworn also anyone testifying on her on that beh is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. I do. Perfect. You may be seated.
Okay. So, um Dr. Jeff, if you want to take a seat, the first uh the order is the staff presents first and then it comes to you. So, this one is different. He presents first. Why is it different? The way you're
Oh, okay. I stand correct. I have a whole procedure here that says that staff present for Yeah. Ident. So, um so now uh the applicant will present. I'll turn the floor over to you, Dr. Chley. Welcome. Thank you very much. Um, first of all, you I think you guys did the right decision on that last agenda item. I
can't imagine that you've been doing this for 20 years, but I feel your pain. 60 60 years. But I feel your pain on what we're going through with this pier road. And I liked your comment about the city managers. They're like car salesmen.
They come and go here. And uh, fortunately, you have a really good building inspector here. I I might not agree with him tonight, but this is a good guy for the city of Port Richie. Uh as we stand here tonight, we are ready to uh because our our uh building permit
expired, we are ready to submit a new building uh uh application for building plans. Um uh fortunately in this situation, we had my contractor, my engineer, and
Mr. Tate had big disagreements with Mike Alexander which is no longer with the city. Uh we did have a building permit in place and um there were some issues with a lot of we have done first of all we've done a lot of work on the house a lot of work
with the with the foundation the we've been maintaining the house it's painted we the the land is clear and we maintain it uh as as best we can. Um so in hindsight if we would have
finished the permit as we originally um applied the hurricane came we took water in the house and everything that we did other than the the foundation would have had to be redone. So we have corrected
the foundation we have corrected the lentils and other structural issues in the house. Uh, the bathroom is demoed. The kitchen is demoed. We need to replace the kitchen. We need to replace some drywall that was affected from the from the storm and
build out the bathroom and some other issues that we've found since since the storm. So, in hindsight, the pre previous city manager, I I called him, let's see, six
times, never received a phone call back. I sent him a couple of emails. Those were never answered. Um, and Mr. Tate has is more hands-on than this than I am. So, than I have been. My contractor and my engineer
would have liked to be here tonight, but we were only given a oneweek notice about this meeting. We were sent a letter that we got a week ago Tuesday and they had other engagements they couldn't be here. They would have loved to be here to tell you that in their
professional opinion this house does not meet the standards for demolition. We we can be in and out of this house in 6 months completely finished. In fact, probably less than that as soon as we can get the permits from the city. If you want to give us a little more time,
we can come in with with new a new set of we since the permits is have expired, we need to redo everything. So, we've lost our our fees that we paid for the original building permit, which we'll we'll do. So, we can come in with a new
set of plans, new engineered plans for building appro building department's approval. If you want to give us some some more time, we can do that very quickly. after the hurricane. Um, I had 11 properties that were affected by the
the last two hurricanes. I had only one here in in Port Richie. So, I've extended two other building permits to get a contractor. I couldn't get a hold of anybody for 6 months. I mean, it was
a mess. So, my contractor is backed up, still backed up, but he would move forward and and and get on this as quick as possible. So, Mr. Tate would like to add to it. We have some pictures of the house that
we'd like to show you. I guess you pass the council. Thanks. That's fine. We'll need to make copies. We'll get these on the record. Yeah, in the record. You can have them. Okay. You guys look at them. Um,
you need a vote to enter the record or No, I'm sorry. We don't need a vote to enter in the record, right? Part of the process. Hello. I'd just like to say, you know, Dr. Janelli spent thousands of dollars bringing this house. Name address for the Yeah,
Tate Lungquist. Um, you go 7730 James Clark would be fine. You can use that one. Um, Dr. Dell spent thousands of dollars on bringing this house up to standard from the previous building officials uh
likings. Um, I oversaw the crews for the contractor as I'm up in this area frequently. We're both from Clear Water, so I took it upon myself to give him a hand. I've spoken to Miss Meyers over over the course of last year in September. We had emails
going back and forth when the prior I don't know if this is the same building official as last September, but I don't think it is. There was one in between Mr. Alexander and this gentleman if I'm not mistaken. Was there another guy? I think it was somebody had something brief. So, he and I were talking and then he
went by the wayside. Matt Cppler or whatever was here. We had conversations. We thought we were going to move forward. Um, storms hit naturally and here we are again and structural integrity of the house is there and again the work's been done. It needs
lipstick and high heels is all it needs now and and Dr. Danelli is prepared to do that. So, I mean I would just with you all just to give him 30 days time to get his plan submitted and get the thing uh up and running for y'all. That's it.
Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Anybody else speaking on behalf of the the applicant? Okay. If not, then uh we open up to questions of the property owner by the building official. Can we take a moment? Let everyone the pictures.
Oh, sure. Look at them. Yeah. So, we just uh if you ask if you cue the Jeopardy music. I got a question for you. While we're looking at pictures, again, there's a very specific order you have to follow.
You're good. Yeah, we can get that on the pay big bucks to be rude. While we're waiting, I just have a question. Why does Port Richie change city managers so often? Is it They get a
better job. What's the reason? Yeah. Boy, that's hard. They don't pay as much as the big cities and they Yeah. I guess it's hard for continuity to have I I feel I feel I feel sorry for you guys because you're representing the people and people don't understand that
and it reflects on reflects on on you guys and I I feel I feel your pain. There's a solution to every problem. Yes, there is. Time hills all. Are you a medical doctor? Optometrist.
Optometrist. Okay. You got a great bedside, by the way. Thank you. So do you. Thank you, sir. I'm a car salesman. We've all sold cars in the past, so I guess we're all car salesmen.
What's that? I don't know. I've not seen him sell a car yet, but uh he's got swagger though. Go on Facebook Marketplace. He's probably got two for sale. Given the opportunity order for you for two salt cars.
He been trying to sell me on that Tesla Cyber Truck. It ain't working. I mean, I know yours is rusting as we sit here. Okay. Nissan, speaking about Tesla, my brother-in-law just leased one. Uh, incredible deal.
300 a month for two-year lease. Oh, wow. Yeah. $1,600 upfront. It's a great deal. Yeah. Where Y or the Cybert truck? Y. The Y one. The Y is about the bomb. Yeah. The new Y. How could he You can't You can't You can't drive a car for 300 a
month. There, Matt. You could get yourself a Cybert truck. I mean, a Model Y, a new Model Y. What was yours? Three. Three. Is that like a cheapy? Long range. No, sir.
Tough room. Yeah, it is tough. We good? We ready. Okay. So, next up is questions of the property owner by the building official. I'll turn Phil over to our building official. Thank you. It's going to be going to be me though. Sorry. Just a couple questions, I think, at this point. Um,
can you tell me when these pictures were taken? I can. through the course of uh the work that was being performed by the contractors subs um I'm going to go with um early 24 to right right when I
emailed you uh September of 24 and um in fact I met Mr. Alexander out there and he couldn't see one of the peers and I said Mr. Alexander I'll I'll break it open there's rebar in there he he was questioning whether or not there was rebar in there I even had photographs
and he wouldn't take those as evidence that there was rebar on them. And I've learned through this course of this whole endeavor that photograph is just as good as him seeing it before it's poured. No, it's not. That's not I'd like to learn how it was.
We'll talk about that in a minute. That's cool. So, so anyways, so that's different different opinions on that, but but anyways, so uh early 24 to September 24, those
photographs and I have date date stamps on them if you like. I can get them out of my That's fine. Okay. I don't have anything else at this point. Is it? Thank you. So, no more official question.
Okay. Right. So, next up is questions of the property owner by the city council. Questions. Um, I'll ask a question. Go ahead. Yes, sir. I'm on I'm on
I'm leaving it on this time just so you know. This house is owned by you. It's investment property or is it one of your res? It's an investment property. It's a rental. It's an investment rental. Okay. Um, I saw the pictures that were produced there. I mean, to me, it looks like
solid work. You know, it looks like quality stuff's going on. Yes, sir. It is. Yeah, but I'm not the building official. So, we've spent a lot of money there so far. I I don't want to throw that down the drain. And we're we're close to getting it finished. And if my my engineer goes
back in, he's inspected it. If we do some more demo work and he goes back in uh before he does his u work and we have to alter the uh structural plans or whatever, we will certainly do that. He in his opinion he it's fine. That's his
professional opinion. And so so as my contractor says it's fine, but when we resubmit we will we will obviously need to redo the plans and redo the application and update the engineering. uh she's got to seal the plans. So,
we're we're we're we're comfortable with doing whatever changes that need to make to make it to code. We Nancy, if I step over my bound here, let me know. Um if I saw you communicating with the building official, I've known the
building official to be helpful, you know, but but sometimes if he tells you to go left and you go right, he's going like, "Hey, stepped over your thing." You know what I'm saying? You got to stop that stuff. So, where are you at with the building official right now? I I think the biggest issue with him is timing that we haven't been timely.
Uh I don't think he's been inside the house to inspect it. When we originally had a conversation, it was very nice and we were working on a solution and I think his biggest issue is that we he in in in his eye, we have been kicking the
ball down the road and we haven't done things in a timely manner. And even my wife said tonight before I came here, "Do you really want to fix this house now? We're in hurricane season. What are the chances of having another hurricane and you fix it?" And I said, "Vicki,
we're we we'll fix the house." But that's her mentality of, you know, of of fixing things. So, uh, I think his biggest issue is is not what we've done or haven't done or what we're going to do. It's just our time in in getting
things done. That's a good segue into into my question actually. So my question I've been sitting here for a couple years or so I'm familiar with when it came before me last time. Matter of fact I I I stuck my neck out if you will because I was a little concerned of what I was
hearing and so the um even had an ethics complaint filed against me. That was one of the things an ethics plan. But uh so my question is is back in 2023 when this came about and it was actually before council to approve the demo. Uh at that time the appeal process had
passed. Uh again my understanding was there's some process stuff that was that was not followed or whatever. And so here we are today and so you said that um you know we probably knocked out in six months or whatever. Well, back in 2023 when it didn't get demolished and
I'm assuming there's some stuff happened. I think the pictures were early 24. Uh the hurricanes didn't happen till late 24. Um and so, you know, my question is is, you know, I know there's been some effort put in the property. Um I can also say that as I've
driven by there, I've just seen it nothing happened too. So, I don't, you know, I don't, you know, I kind of I kind of wonder why there's not a sense of urgency to finish this. Um, and if you could explain kind of why what what's really delaying it. I I'm on my third contractor that that
pul pulled the permit in when we started. Yeah. And there was we had uh two other contractors and that didn't work out. So, I we I interviewed two other contractors. We had signed a um an
agreement to go to contract and his bid came in. I it it's a long story, but he wasn't honest with me. So, we went through two we're on our third contractor who presently pulled the permit, was ready to renew the permit, and is ready now to to pull the
permit this time. Yeah. And I you know, I promise you we in six months we'll be out of there. Yeah. And and I can sympathize with that because contractors finding finding good ones is especially hard, but finding somebody to take the job is sometimes challenging as well. So I I mean it
probably makes some sense that there was some issues there. We just rented a house to a couple who rented a house. Uh they were in the house for the second month and the realtor came and knocked on the door and said, "What are you doing?" And the guy says, "We rented the house. He had a
lease. The house was owned by a bank and the person took down the for sale sign, put a for rent sign up and leased the house to a couple, took their first months, last month in security deposit, and it wasn't their house.
And they came to us pleading, could you rent us? We don't have the first last in security. This is another property in another county. And so what is there? What's the last bit of work's been done? How recently have you been working on it? I guess.
Well, we've we first of all, well, there was there was a demo order issued. Okay. And then it was done, I say, illegally or not according to code. And it was pulled. So, they pulled
it back, refunded my $400. Then this building inspector came on. We had a conversation. And then we were going to move forward and then they issued another demo permit, another demo order. We asked for
an extension, but you can't do anything when the demo order is in place. So basically, we could we could have been if Mike Alexander wouldn't have been the I don't want I'm in public here, but yeah, if if Mike Alexander would have been cooperative, we wouldn't have been
here. I wouldn't be here right now. So basically be when the the hurricane since the hurricane has been done since hurricanes because nothing has been done since the hurricane. That's because the inability to get a permit. We've clean we've cleaned the place up and maintained it.
Any questions? And and the reason for the hurricane is we couldn't get I couldn't get my contractor was backed up. I couldn't couldn't get anybody to do work and you can't you can't work without a permit. Then it expired. So you know you you guys have your your permits expired too. And I listen to
your your uh bogggle with the with the dredging as well. So it happens in the private sector as well. Okay. We don't we don't unfortunately we don't live in a perfect world. All right. You know and I and I'm not saying have we done everything absolutely 100%
perfect. Absolutely not. Are we are we at fault a little bit? Yes. Yes sir. The city has been tough with communications in prior to this gentleman with your previous city manager and Mike Alexander and uh I think we can move forward very
very aggressively with with this uh with Kevin. Um he's he was very nice when we first talked and I think we'll have a great relationship. So it sounds like just to recap 23 when it you guys were kind of uh working on it making improvements that's when the
pictures were taken. We we we saw those obviously hurricanes happened and then of course permits expired couldn't get new permits and so that's kind of been a holding pattern since then and here we are today. So that's kind of summation of I've got question. Yeah. Go ahead. I want to let you go first. Go ahead.
It's up to you. I say go ahead. Everything in in my my being right now is is telling me that all the people involved here don't believe it's going to get done in a reasonable amount of time. Is this your contractor behind you?
He's he's going to be one of the subs. Like who's going to because you're not going over there doing this work, right? No, I have a general contractor. We will tomorrow we will get the plans examiner scheduled to redo the plans. He will then give them to the engineer. I can't
tell you how long the engineer is going to take. Last time he took five weeks to get me back the seal plans. He he knows that it's an expedient matter. So I think he'll cooperate and get the plans back quicker. And then once that
happens, I think we probably have 60 to maybe 90 days worth of work. And if we work six, seven days a week, we may be able to finish it quicker. weather permitting. So, so this question is for you present some testimony once you're done.
You don't ask any questions. Could you hold that and make me answer it? Okay. You have a question? You have a question? No, I'll wait. Is it for the applicant or Okay. Okay. Uh so that's all questions from
council. So next up is a billing official to present facts and evidence in support of the order to demolish. So, I'll pass it over to the building official. Thank you. So, in addition, I'm just going to ask um the building official some questions to get out some information, but then I think he might make a a statement at the end to to supplement what information I've asked him to provide you. Um could you please
introduce yourself and tell um council how long you've been a building official? Ryan, been a building official since 2000. Uh before that, I started in 97 as an inspector. on April 11th, 2025, did you did you issue a not issue a notice
of slum and blight to Dr. Janelli um indicating he was in violation property was in violation of code section 14-1271? Yes. And could you explain to council how you made that determination? The fact of nothing going on with the
house, we've had a flood. Nothing has happened. So, I'm looking at mold, mildew, all of the stuff that's in there. I'm looking at a foundation that could have issues because I was not allowed to go in and do an inspection. So, that's my determination.
Did you also have prior information from the prior building official that you were able to analyze as the current building official? Yes. And what was that? that on in October they were submitted for plans in 23. November they had a
revision for the plans. Then another revision in December. Then they finally called in for a slab or a footer inspection went out. They had to have a new authorized agent for uh contractor.
So then that was failed. So then that stops that point. It can't be extended or anything. Then they submitted for uh an extension. It was denied because nothing was done since the permit was pulled. So then after that, Mike had went out
there. The previous building official went out, did an inspection, and right in his notes, he's got it stated that footers were poured without an inspection. Blocks were pulled and installed without an inspection. There was some headers installed without an
inspection. Plus, there was plans missing. He's got everything listed on there that was there. Granted, Mike's not here. I'm going strictly off of the fact that I have a building official that's left notes, and I don't know what he's done with Mr. Janelli or anybody
else. I'm strictly going off of his note that items that are not inspected by a building official or a building inspector, they're classified as an unsafe structure because that person does not know what's there in that system. And as far as with
pictures, I I don't know this gentleman with the picture. I don't know who he's talked to. I have done my inspections and everything, like I said, since 97. And I've seen pictures come in and you turn around and go and look at the job site and everything that was in that
picture is gone, but the job's done out. So you've got footers, you've got steel in place, but then when they take the picture, it's there, but then when you go back and look at it or catch them in the process, there's nothing there. That's why I do not accept pictures
because I do not trust anybody when I'm having to sign something off for the life safety and the health and the welfare of the public. So you so as the process goes goes forward that's why the building official wants to put his eyes on the work. Yes. To make sure it's done properly for the safety of the structure.
Yep. Okay. And that didn't happen. Per the notes. Per the notes. No. And I will let council know that the um the notes that he is referencing are in your packet. Um we're asking that be part of the record um that you consider for today that um the fire building official left behind. There's also
photographs that you guys had at your spot when you sat down. I want to um ask the building official about those. Now, there's three photo three photographs that you um took of the property 7717 yesterday. Yes. Could you tell council what they're seeing when they look at those three photographs?
The front picture is just a picture of the front of the building with the address on it. The second picture is in the driveway looking at the corner of the garage wall. Then if you go to the third picture and you look down towards the bottom about two foot up from that
slab, you'll see a bow in that wall of 2 in. That's the floor system inside under that wall that's pushing out. That's what you're talking about right here. That's it right there. Can I ask you a question on that? Yes, sir. Um I believe this is a frame structure.
Yes, it is. And I don't believe and there again correct me if I'm wrong. There's there's crawl space underneath that house and there's peers that that's set on and that perimeter wall may not be the loadbearing portion
there. Is it just something like a This is the end wall. This is if you go back to the front picture right where the end of this gable is right there. That's the wall. Exactly. So that wall is sitting all the way down onto a ridge beam at that
bottom place. Okay. And that runs the the entire length, but there's not individual peers along the way. Okay. So that hasn't been inspected. I can't see it and I would have to get underneath to look door there. So door there. Is there any anything that can be done through a
private inspections and determine that this is you know well this foundation would have to have some type of an engineer to go in and see what's there and what needs to be done. So there is a remedy there's possible and and the potential is is is we
the part I have commissioner is I started here October 28th. Sure. This house has sat just like this since October 28th. Right. Mr. Janelli called me wanting to know what he could do. I told him the permit
that was there originally has expired. You have to start from scratch. All right. That was at the time when he got the notice that this was going into slum and bite. Haven't seen nothing since. So this house has not changed since
October 28th. And because it was going to slum and blight, he can't do anything really on the property anyway. Right. So that basically stopped the process. Yes. Two times. So we're so we can add order. So I'm actually So is Zerel's presentation.
I was just going to ask if there's anything else he wanted to add that I didn't ask him about. Okay. So next up is the uh questions from the property owner to the building official. So you guys I'm going to turn it over to you if you have questions for the building official. Well, I would like to clarify one thing because I was present when Mr. Alexander
was on the property when you brought up the the header in the garage and all that. The plans had called the engineer had drawn the if you look at those pictures we provided the header in the garage is on a what I consider a 45 degree angle. The plans called for it to
be straight. The garage, if you notice, is on a slope. So, the header was built towards the way the garage flowed. And Mr. Alexander wanted a revision from Dr. Janelli's engineer on the header in the garage. There was no issues with
structural this or that. The the 2-in area that he's describing in the picture is an old doorway that used to be in the side of the house there that used to go into the house. That's the floor sticking out from where the old doorway used to be. If you look in the picture,
sir. The door. Yes. Yes. Yes. It's not a structural issue. all the doors at all. No, there's there's actually concrete block around that whole perimeter of that house and then the peers that we put in uh prior to the hurricane and
then you know the peers work the house is strapped and it it didn't float away. Yeah. So, so you you guys have any questions for the building that's next next council we can have longer. We had we had issues there were there were two there's been two demo two demo
uh demolition orders on the house. The first one the city um the city took back. There was some legal issues with that that the city manager said that we were not notified or we should we didn't do something correctly or the city
didn't do something correctly. And that's that's the first one. Now we're in the second one. So we were in limbo and that's when I called him and said, "What could we do to remedy it? Could you pull back the demo? We'll we'll submit plans
and move forward. And he said, "I can't make that decision." Okay. Any more questions for them? No, but that is a door there now that now that I'm looking at the picture. Okay. So, I'm want to close questioning for them. I'm bring back council. So, now council has opportunity to question.
Well, one other thing. if if there's some issues that he wants to look at, if we if we are allowed to move forward, I'll be happy to bring him there and we we'll be happy to let him look whatever he wants to look at. Okay, questions from council to the building official. Any further
questions? Had a couple fly in there, but Chris holding my tongue since Nancy did. Thank you very much. Thank you for keeping me causing issues. Um, it sounds to me like Tony's amicable,
the building official. Excuse me, I don't have my thing on. I got the evil eye over here. Uh, it sounds to me like he's open. Do you have an engineer? Are you getting an engineer? I have an engineer. Yes, sir. Same one that did the plan pathway here. Yeah. This question is stability. That's what I'm I'm trying to get there.
Give me a second. Remember, you get your time, I get mine. Okay. Um, is there a pathway to get this done here that you would feel comfortable with? That's the question for you. Well, I'm looking at the fact that
I've been here what, eight months, nine months, and nothing's happened. How do we tighten it up? And I and I will say, and I believe we wanted to to discuss this a little bit when um was first you guys information.
we just didn't do it. That um the the conversation has been had. You need to come start over. Your permit's expired. Come start over. And that could have happened before today. Probably four. It could have probably happened four months ago. Even with the that notice out there, that conversation could have happened.
So, I think that's part of the concern from the city's perspective with it, how long it's been sitting and no, and the day we come up to the day's the day, then we get a yeah, we're going to do it. And I think that is part of the concern is the building officials trying to at the end of the day, you know, we have
to honor the building officials and we have to do all those things. But also as a city, you know, good affordable housing with people living in it and paying rent is important to us. Very, very important, you know. So my question is, you know, um is there is there is there a
tightness that you could put on this um that would cause him to have to move in a certain fashion? The problem is is he's already said it would take five or six weeks to get plans from the engineer. I'm not I'm not happy with that part because like I said, we've already been
six or eight months sitting here with nothing done. And when he called me the first time, I told him permit has expired. You started all over. Get everything going and we're going to go from there. And nothing ever happened. N is okay to let him comment.
You guys are in charge. I mean, there's a procedure, but if you want to let in, you can absolutely do that. Go ahead. But we had we here's what I was interpreted. We had a demo order out. Okay. And we were told we can do anything. Submit plans, work on the house, do
anything. I have I I my my engineer could I I'm saying that three to five weeks it it could be within a week. He we have to we have to get new drawings and submit to the new draw. It's the same engineer. So he's
got everything on his CAD system, doesn't have to start from scratch. And why is there a need for new drawings? Because our permit expired, right? But the drawings the same drawings. If you could accept the drawings that we have and just reissue the permit, we're
done. So So yeah, what's what's tell us about the drawings? Code cycle changes. What? Code cycle change. New codes. There's new codes from 2020 to 2023. Okay. So there might be some adjustments to that, but you don't know because you don't you
haven't been that through that process. Exactly. Architect needs to sign them up and sign them. So they technically could be the same. Renew our permit today. We're we're out there tomorrow. Can't renew the permit. No, no, I understand. If if the permit could have been renewed, we'd be out there working tomorrow.
So process-wise, there would have to be a new application for the permit with with plans with plans starting from scratch and money. But but the plans could technically be the same. They might just be they're reviewed differently based on the new code. Yeah, because you have you have the the new code change. You also have the
structural engineering books go from the ASC 716 to the ASCE22. You also have uh changes that were put in to the ASC 2414, the ASCE722
that are for flood requirements, right? Okay. So you there's a lot of things that have changed in the front realm that a lot of people don't realize. Is it safe to say that and maybe not it's safe to say that the old plans could be
could be don't know. So they could ask so process-wise they could submit that you'd review it and approve or deny it based on the new code. Architect needs a sign today for Bruce's house.
I've already got 15 items run with the set of plan and so then you would kick that back and there'd be a modification and whatever that process goes on but you could start with we can resubmit the plans tomorrow that you got to get the architect update
and it's so that's so so the my question's answered we could I mean it it could be submitted a new with the old drawings and then more than likely he's going to find some problems with it and but the problem I have is is okay he submits the plans we do this then how
long am I going to have to sit and wait for him to decide for corrections and get things done in the process now I got a house still sitting doing nothing um the we can we can certainly give him a weekly update
no I understand we're look we're not going to sit and this is you know how much money this is costing sure and we don't provide a you know how many people are looking still looking for housing in in um Pasco County.
Basically, what you're saying is you sat for that long because you thought you could do nothing. Correct. And we have some documentation here from Do you have an estimate for cost of uh completion with appliances and everything? Uh with appliances about
115 11,500. Mhm. So, another question for the billing official in your opinion. Um, and I I'll make this easy because it
sounds like to me there's there's a couple parts of it. There's a part that um the previous bill official was involved in this and left notes and and you got you've reviewed those and you know you you can only go off the notes, right? Um, and you specifically mentioned one thing
about the foundation pore, I think, is that that uh it wasn't inspected. So, obviously, you can't say that it's good because you didn't see it. You didn't go through the process. I get that. Um, in a in a case like that, when you when
you've had work done that wasn't properly done, if an engineer signs off on it, then that's good enough for sometimes. Sometimes because there's nothing in state law that says I have to accept an engineer's letter, right? In in your practice, what are you
normally doing? And is it It all depends. It all depends on how it's worded. a lot of times you will get in my opinion it's okay the way it is that doesn't work no I want something describing everything
to a tea of what's in there because by right this is a salt moisture that concrete's supposed to be a 5,000 PSI mix not sacrete right because it's salt moisture with steel inside it or you can
go with a 2500lb concrete but you got to have epoxy coated steel. So, how does um let's let's fast forward and say that work decides to go on, right? the council decides that appeal is going to be granted and and how how
do you how do you overcome these shortfalls with stuff that's been done because obviously and my concern is from the city perspective obviously somebody gets in here a renter house falls in on them we're liable and see and that you have to look at my point of view that's how I'm looking at
sure I'm looking for life safety because I'm signing off on something that if somebody goes in and dies they're going to come to the city and the first thing they're going to do is they're coming after me Right. Why did you approve it if you knew it was wrong? Absolutely. But you got to prove to me that it was right when you looked at it.
You don't realize when I look at something, you're looking at a snapshot in time. That's all you're looking at. If something leaves or when you leave, they change something. You have no clue. But you signed off on that at that time. Right. And so and and I appreciate that.
And and and another thing that obviously I don't think anybody up here wants to tear people's houses down. I don't um there are there's a time for that and there's a time not. So I guess my my direct question is is um given this property in your opinion is it possible
with the right effort the right the engineering involved is is there a path forward to make this structure viable or not? My opinion no because like I said I've been here for eight or nine months and nothing has happened to this house.
Well I get the timing issue but that's not my question. But but the question is is there was an order for demo in 23. Correct. Okay. So then it was removed here. We said now April of this year is
the order for demolition. So we've got this long span that just sat there with nothing. Now all of a sudden because there's an order put there for demo. Now all of a sudden it's a big deal. Right. Yeah. I'm going make I'm going make my
question very succinct in the fact take timing out of it. I get there's a timing issue and all that but in your professional opinion is this structure can it be made viable without tearing down or is it is it is it the point where it has to come down? That's the question. I don't know because I haven't seen the foundation.
I'm strictly going off of what building official has already previously said and the one wall that I've looked at that is not a doorway or a threshold. It's a boom in the wall. Okay. So, that's all I'm looking at and going off of.
Okay. Any other question, Mayor? Absolutely. I'm going to try to state this the best way I can. Can you imagine the pressure that's on us right now? We've got our building official who we respect and we need more than anything on the planet
right now. Your job to us is vital. We have a homeowner who is here with people who want to do the right thing and and and and we're all sitting here. We're trying to find that loose thing we can just grab and pull and say, "Hey, you
know, is there some light out there?" And we're asking you, hold that thought for one second. Okay. What do you think I'm under? Oh, no, no, no. I'm I'm with you. I'm I'm with you. I'm Because I'm sitting here telling somebody they have to tear the house down. It's all a big decision for everybody, right? It's not it's not an easy
decision, but I still have to look at future residents in this building that could be in there and what could happen. Can you give the engineer a time frame? Say we we decide not to demo the house.
He pulls the permit tomorrow, submits the plans and architect. You say I need the plans from an architect within end within 30 days. I wouldn't give him 30 days. What would you give them? probably 15 15 15 days. That's it.
And if he does that and the wording properly is proper, you'd like to look at the house and make it I would have to look at the house and it all depends on what comes in, right? Because if nothing's there that that's going to be recognizable or work. No. And I respect anything what your
decision is up front. I'll just tell you that. But you have that opportunity to say it's not going to work after all that. And you get the engineer plan. You'll get houses. This is not the problem I have with that is yes, it's kind of hard, but you also have to
look at if I'm looking at all of this, he goes and gets something, comes back and it doesn't work. He spent money. What do you mean he went and gets what? He's not going to do anything till you tell him to. But what I'm saying is is if I was to say, "Okay, we'll give him 15 days." He goes out, spends money for all of this,
and I still look at it and say, "It doesn't work." That's his risk. And he's laid money out of his pocket for That's his risk as well. That's my risk and I'll and I'll take that risk. We're talking about getting a plan revision. He's not spending any money other than
getting the plan revision because right other than that because he wants to know if it's worth putting money into it and that engineer is going to tell him that hey the new code you're going to have to do ABC now you weren't having that. Now
it becomes the situation do I really want to do? is Tony's call bottom line. I can I can tell you that an engineer is going to tell you that, oh yeah, it's fixable, right? Because he's looking at the check that he's going to get when he signs a set of plans, right? But then you could But then I have to be the one that has
to figure out if it's going to work. And if it doesn't work, then I'm the one that has to tell him this ain't going to work. Now what are we doing? Well, we're we're saying instead of saying no, no way in hell we're not going to do it, you're giving them the a chance to get denied later. it maybe it
does work out but if it doesn't all that but I like I said this is completely up to you if this is not something you want great idea is it the concrete you can't see the the rebar in yes or no it is
can you tear that concrete outour that thing because if you can tear it out and report he can see the steel in it he's going to feel a whole lot more comfortable we I asked thank you for bringing that up I I I mentioned that to Mr. Alexander when he was at the property viewing all the concrete and I said, "Mr. Alexander,
I'll take a sledgehammer to it right now to show you there's rebar in there." And I showed him the pictures. He wouldn't accept the pictures like you were saying. We we we can redo the peers if they have to be done. How many peers are you dealing with? I'm trying to think there was
six or eight. I can't remember off top of my head. I didn't pour the peers myself. I was just overseeing the subcontractors for the contractor. If he demos one pier and opens it up, does that give us Can they be x-rayed? That's what I was going to say. There's a sonar that you can check.
I'm digging, Tony. I'm sorry. Yeah, it is. It's expensive to x-rays. I mean, I guess they could be rebuilt to your liking. Might be to my liking. It's what? You're okay. I apologize. Questions between you all is is done.
So, is there any more questions for the bill at this point? I'm just I'm trying to find solutions. We we I promise you if Mr. If he he wants us to open it up, we'll open it up. I don't have any problem with that. Okay. Well, I want to What I'm going to do is unless there's any other questions, I want to close up.
I can I can honestly tell you I'm not I'm can't I don't know what Mr. Alexander wrote in the reports, but there was bad blood with me, with Tate, with our engineer, and with our contractor. I mean, there were fbombs. There were all kinds of stuff going on with him. No doubt.
And I think the city's better off without him. So, so I uh I'm going to close the questioning. I'm going to open up the final summary for the property owner. I'm going to give you the floor. You have your final summary. Whatever you want to say. Say I I I appreciate their questions and
I I know this is a tough decision. I'm here. I've spent a lot of money so far. I want to finish the house. I'll spend within reason whatever it takes. If it can be fixed, I would love to fix it. It's a cute house. It's a great neighborhood. Um, and when when I'm done, you will be happy. You will be
proud. We'll have an open house. I'll have a party there. Free pizza. You will you will be uh you you will be impressed with the final product. I promise you. And I I'm asking for his cooperation. I know he's bound by the code. We will
open everything up. He can expect inspect whatever he likes and we we want to make him happy and we'll make him happy to the code. Okay. Thank you. And that final summary by the building official and city. I think that will be again. Um
I think it's it's evident you hit on a number of times and building official a number of times. the the issue with this property. Um I mean the issue was obviously is it is what work has been done safe. The issue really in addition to that is it's not getting done. It's
taking forever. Um you you talked about the process um before this building official was here. There has been plenty of time for steps to have been taken to move this forward and they're not happening until we take the last step and then force Dr. Janelli to show up
here and and explain how he's going to do all these things. We heard this in 20 2023. Um, as we've talked about earlier, nothing's changed since then. It's been represented by these pictures that certain things have been done. And this this picture the building official had
took yesterday is a doorway. He is telling me in his professional opinion, which he told you that is not a doorway. That is that to him is a structural problem that needs to be looked at. Um, so there's very little um, comfort in the idea of giving Dr. Janelli any more
time to do anything because it's been two years. We're in the same exact spot we were in 2023. Um, this building official's opinion is that this is not a safe structure that it violates section 141271. Um, and nothing that Dr. Janelli has
presented has has combed that. So we would ask that the um, appeal be denied. Thank you. Okay. Question procedure wise. Um when I bring it back to council, is there general public comment allowed for this as well? Okay. All right. So, I'm going
to bring back to council for our discussion and or motion. Uh again, there's there's a couple options here. Um as you apply the facts you've heard um the law, not here to make law. We're here to apply the law. And so, you have testimony from both the uh applicant and
city. And so we can we can uh basically make a motion to approve the appeal. We can deny the appeal. Um and the the other question I had if you could help here is in is there is there is there
opportunity for a conditional um approval? What I would what I would do um is if if you're not comfortable with either affirming or denying the appeal would be what you did in the case we took earlier kind of stay it for a a time certain and we can all come back here and not
start over but perhaps just pick up where we left off if that's necessary. Okay. And I and I think that that is a is a very viable uh approach that we could um look at potentially staying it given as a definite amount of time some
of the last one and then if if things aren't moving along then we can make a decision but there's no moving along if there's a stay right I mean it's still wellision one way or the other we stay for a certain amount of time and then once those things I guess would break down or whatever the building official
will bring it back on the agenda. I I will I will let the building official address that if my my understanding from talking to him if if you choose the option C and stay it for a time certain. Um they definitely can submit the information to get the new permit and get that started. Correct.
Um and then once that's done, what would be what would be next steps? Could they start work while this is still hanging out there or would this need to be I would say that it all needs to be addressed and corrected up front and done before we're going to allow any more work because they've had a chance to do that.
Right. So tell me explain explain what So if they if if council the question is that they if they're thinking about staying and letting him get caught up what does what does that mean? When when could we possibly say this this demolition order is withdrawn? I would I
would need to see the plans and everything that's going to be done, the procedure and the work scope. Okay. And how long and his timeline. Okay. Okay. And so once you have that, you could say I'm good with this permit issued, demo order pulled, everyone move forward.
Yep. Does that answer your question? Yeah. I make that motion make motion to stay until he can get his hands wrapped around their plan. Well, I think we probably need to give a date. I would I would give 30 days.
How much time? 15 days. I give them 15 days. Is that a reason to present you with the plan? Is that a reasonable amount of time? I mean, obviously you're you're in a hurry because you've been doing a long time to be addressed. Can it be 15 work days?
I give you two weeks. 14 work days. Okay. 14 work days. 14 work days. That's Monday weeks Monday through Friday. I'm the closest to him. So he can hit it can be whatever number you want. Well, that's what he would like. But if you want to do
30 days, I'm going to make a suggestion. Okay. Okay. It's it's been a long time anyway in my opinion and I don't want to I don't want to burden the property owner either because I it is difficult to get things done. So I I think 30 days is a
is a better number. 30 calendar days. Give him one more month to How about three weeks? Split the difference. Again, in 30 days it gets tore down if nothing's happening. Is that Tonyy's Tonyy's the professional in the room?
So come back and then we'll basically it happens. Yeah. So it's not we're not the prof Tony's professional here. He's the only We are the city council. I know. We are the city council represent. He's the one that is professional in the matter and we've we've been very diligent in
trying to seek his advice. Exactly. Again, I guess my my point being is is that I I am I'm fully supportive of Tony and I I respect his opinion, but I'm also have a property owner here who I also
represent. And so the goal here is not to tear down a house, right? The goal here is to tear down a house if it needs to be tore down. If it doesn't need to be torn down, the goal here is to provide the opportunity. Now, there's been opportunity provided and I and I I
for one am probably the least tolerant of allowing this to go any further because it's been going on since I sat here two years ago, right? And so I but I know the history and I know, you know, I'm not going to go on public and and say some things about prior building officials or whatever. But that being
said, there's I have an understanding of this, okay? There's there's things at play here. And so what I don't want to do is just put some arbitrary time frame out there set up for failing. Um, and I, you know, and I can speak for things done in a couple weeks. So I I mean, you
can make the motion for whatever time frame you want. Um, and and I'm okay with that. I I I think sounds like by consensus we're we're leaning towards giving a little time to make sure things are going to go and if it doesn't we're going to be right back here and we're going to make sure
that the right thing's not at that point. So here's some other information that nobody's touched on. The four system shows this property be 29% damage. You can't do that. You can't go outside the record. You only can your
decision presented just evidence today. So don't share what you just read. Okay. Sorry. This is what's presented by the applicant. Yeah. So you have information. I can't do any research on my own and determine my own. No, you're going to hear. Gotcha. So I'm
ready to make a motion. I'd like to make a motion to stay the the demolition of 7717 Pier Road until uh the right or adequate information is presented by July 25th, 2025.
Okay. Is there a second? If there's no second, that motion dies. I'll entertain it. account days. Give me a second. It's It's just over two weeks. Over two weeks. Business days.
Yeah. Basically, the 25th is a Friday and it's Tuesday. So, you got two weeks and three days. Get about 13 days, business days starting tomorrow. Is there a second?
Okay. like a second that motion dies. I'll entertain another motion. Don't get quiet on me now, Dave. What do you got? I can't make I understand that this has gone on for a period of time. I understand that there
has been several hurricanes in the process. I understand that we've changed horses in the middle of the stream, not only building officials, but now city managers. I I understand that there's been some mistakes made in the process.
And what I would like to see is a solution where the resident and the city can come to an agreement to try to address this in some form or fashion. Uh, I like the 30-day
period, but I also like the fact that somebody's going to hold the residents fee to the fire and get that information uh so that they can be properly reviewed.
I also understand that there's also a demand on contractors and engineers to get things done in a timely manner and we have more requirements than we have resources to complete it. So that's why
I would argue that we give a 30-day period to see where we land and bring this back around in 30 days. That a motion. That's my motion. Okay, I'll second that. I have a motion and a second. Any further discussion? Any public comment?
Seeing none, I bring back a vote. All in favor signify by saying I. I. I. Opposed. Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much. You won't be disappointed. I hope not. Stay down there for They got to come back.
Uh, do we want to take a quick recess? Let's recess for five minutes. Come right back. I'm sorry. Yeah. What you're going to do, you're going to go up there and just tell them that what you told me. You just tell them what what you did. This is what I
did. This is what was done. I thought everything was in order. This is where I'm at. You give me counsel what to do. long drawn out thing. Yeah, I know this. That's why I'm here.
my fingers. Engineer Very easy to get. Break. It doesn't matter. Yeah, I love everybody. Okay, we're back in session. Next up is item number.
Um, so this is the same process we just went through on the last appeal. Um, I think unless you guys have any questions, we're ready to get started. Okay. So, first up is a property owner to present
their appeal. Are you Stephanie Smith? Good evening everybody. My name is Stephanie Smith from 7653. Good evening everybody. My name is Stephanie Smith from 7653 Pier Road. Um
my um story is I bought the house in March and I didn't know that the house has a demolition order. I'm so sorry. I guess so sentimental because these people lied to me. The realtor, the the owner, he never told me that the house
has a demolition order and I didn't know that. And I bought the house through a title company thinking that I have a clean title and I didn't know that. I just found out when the city went and put the sign outside my door because I didn't know I thought that I I bought a
a house with a clean title and a single mom. I had two daughters in college. I was just trying to fix the house to move in with my daughters and that got me in chop and I been so stressed out um very
stressed out because these people, you know, there's a lot of scammers outside. They just care about money and they don't care about you know, anything else. So, they lie to me. This is my Okay. Thank you. And I just want to um ask you everybody
for an opportunity to, you know, I I want to be honest with you. I when I bought the house, I went there with a contractor and I did a lot of work in the house. I'm so sorry. I I didn't know that I had it to do permits. Um, I spent
a lot of money in the house and in debt and in debt until here I all money in loans, credit cards and a lot of money I and that's what happened to me when when I found out that the house I was just um getting ready to move in when I saw the
sign outside my contractor called me and they told me that the house has a demolition order and I was in ch. I've been depressed. I've been I haven't been able to sleep and that's that's that's what it is. And I had the the papers that approved that
I when when I bought the house. Okay. Thank you. Um next part of the process is the questions of the property owner by the building official. Have questions? No. No questions. Okay. Uh next is a questions of the property owner by city
council. Is there any questions for city council? Did you buy this for an investment property? Yeah, I was trying to to to to to move maybe maybe move in or maybe some make some monies. I wasn't sure what I was wanted to do. I came here and I
really like the area. I love Port Richishi and I was thinking to move in, you know, but I I never had the chance to move in. I never had the chance because um when we were um finished uh I saw the sign outside. I just begging you guys to give me an opportunity to
legalize the house, legalize the war. I will do everything that you can ask me to do. I will pull permits. I will pay um the fines and I don't know. I will do whatever you tell me to do. How did you find the house? The realer.
Yes. Through a through a realtor. The realer introduced you to the house and Yes. And and and when when when I when that happened, I called the title company and they said they told me that when they did the search, this didn't came out. And I called a lot of people
and they told me to sue the owner and to sue the realtor and to sue the title company, but I just you just need money for that, you know. You need money to pay lawyers and and start with a process. Right now, I don't you know, my
major concern is not to sue anybody. concern is to to legalize the house and move in or sell it or I don't know. I don't I'm just so confused. I haven't been able to sleep because this is what happened to me. But you bought this under your
investment company, not in your personal name. Your It's under your company. Yes. Yes. I bought it under my company because, you know, I just finished through a nasty divorce and it it's just a long story, you know. So, I bought it through through through the company.
Yeah. Any questions? Any questions? Okay. Go ahead. Are you living in the house now? No, the house is empty. You know, the the house um No, nobody lives there.
The work was done on the house. Who did the work on the house? Who did the work in the house? A contractor. A licensed contractor or not a licensed contractor? Um, I'm not sure if he's licensed or not. Did Did permits get pulled? No, she said that. No, no permits.
No, there's a good one to work on. Have you let the building official in to look and see what's going on inside the house? He's been No. Yeah. No. Yeah. No. Yeah. But but I will open the door for him to I will do anything that you ask me to do
and I will start it to work tomorrow. you know, I'm not going to I'm not going to waste time if you give me a chance to to do it. Okay. Thank you. Uh, next up is building official to present facts and evidence in support of the order demolish. So,
I'll turn it over to Billy official. Thank you. Could you please introduce yourself and tell the council how long you've been a building? Tony Brian been building official since 2000. Started as an inspector in in 97. In April 11th of 2025, did you send a notice um to uh for the property 7653
Pier Road that it met the requirements of a SL for sum and blight per the city's code 14-127 sub paragraph 1 3 and 4? Yes. Um there the packet um related to this um demolition order for council's
purposes, you do have a pack of pictures um that um most are dated I think October 31st. and I'm going to have the building official go through those so if you want to find them in your agenda you can can follow along. Um there are a series of photos I think there's 10 of them um dated October 31st 2024 um that
are part of the the record of the city's presentation council. Could you go through each of those and tell council um what they're seeing on page 193 191's the first picture is that that's those are for posting
that just got posted. So, you're looking at 193 is the first 193 is the first picture. Okay. Okay. If you look down there, you can see the light shining through the exterior wall. Okay. Cuz the foundation's gone under the house.
193 193 19. Is this the This front corner? The front corner. Right part there. Well, no. I see that. But see the right part. Yeah. What what's part of the house is this? This is in the rear.
That's the rear. Okay. Yeah. This is a bearing wall down through the center of the house and that's the floor. That's not there. Mhm. So, is that where the lights coming in? Is that So, it looks like there's a that's open to the outside.
That's not the foundation. But it looks like there's no foundation. There's no foundation. So, this the the framing there is just goes right to the ground. Yeah. Just put the framing on the ground. Yeah. Oh, interesting. Okay. So, that's the way it was constructed. Yes. Back this probably what 100-y old house.
I don't remember. See if I can find it while you're cooking. Okay. So, if you go to 194, you see that it's just open underneath that wall. Mhm. Okay. There's no road barrier. There's nothing from coming into this
house. It's rotted out. Because if you look at the studs, you can see the termites and the termite damage in the studs, right? That's the uh the darker color stuff is termite damage. Yes. If you look at 195, you're seeing
the shot that goes from the front of the house to the back of the house through the kitchen. And those walls are all at the kitchen wall going to the rear of the house that's on the left hand side. 196 is just a picture inside, but if you look at the back corner behind the fan,
you can see that the base the plate itself is eat up with termites. And if you look over to the left of the fan, there is no plate and that's an exterior wall. Okay. The plumbing go. Yes.
This goes into the ground. Yes. If you go to 197, you can see as far as the pictures, you see there is no sole plate on any of the walls. I'm guessing that they were either ran to the ground or they were nailed to
stringers along the edges and that was the extent of what they did as far as when they put the plaster in place. 198 shows the floor and where there's a bearing beam right there, the floor is all rotted out around it. In 198
19, we have the same thing. Two walls going towards the back and the side that there's no sole plate. It's rotted out. And this is all leading up to one thing I want to show you.
Um, picture 200 shows a new door frame that was put in, but as you can see, all the studs are eat up with termites. There's no plate across the top. No, no header. No header.
Yeah, there's no header, I guess. Okay. 2011. If you look, those are all exterior walls with no sole plate. Where they pour concrete inside after it was built? No. No. This a wood floor. That's a wood floor with tile. That's tile on top of it.
Was it? Okay. Picture 202. It's exterior. If you look, you'll see all the vinyl siding is popping. Yeah. Okay. That's the foundation's given way cuz vinyl siding locks on the bottom and
is nailed at the top. So if this is popping, that means it's being pushed down. 203 um 205. If you look at 205, you'll see the siding that's fallen on the ground
from the house. And the last picture is the one I took yesterday. And you have a copy um on your seat when you arrive. What's it look like? Is it this one? This one? It's that one. If you look across the roof line at the ridge,
look at the 3-in belly in. Yep. Okay. So now look at the flat roof that's coming off the side of it as the roof is sagging. The flat roof is rolling
because there's no foundation under the building. Is there a gully in that roof right there? Yes. This was why this building when I went in there October 31st was at 82% and was condensed
was because of the structural problems and he was told up front when we were there because originally that was there at the same time when Veronica and myself were there and we told him that the house was condemned. Who's the pre? Yes.
Okay. And this was when? October 31st, two days after I started here. Right after the hurricane, the second one. Y. And then you bought it in March. I bought it in March. Yeah. But I I've
been told that the that the owner that the owner got a letter in December. I've been told I I came here and they told me that the owner knew, but he didn't tell me. There's a couple more things um if I may. Um
um Miss Smith mentioned that um she has had work done by somebody um admittedly without a permit. We don't know if he was licensed or not. And you have not been able to see that work. Correct. Um even without being in there and not seeing what was done, looking at the
picture that you showed that you took yesterday, do you still feel this house um meets the requirements? Yes, safe. Nothing else. Okay. So, um let's see. Are we on questions for the
property owner by council? Any questions of property owner? Oh, yeah. Yep. So, any more questions for the building official? Oh, sorry. Prop, you know, we did again what we do. We asked questions before I had back. I
hadn't highlighted where I was at, but I Not sure what happened there. So, did you have any Did you have any questions for the billing official? No questions. No. Okay. Any questions? Um, I'm sorry. Question that was up too
high. Okay. Question official by council. Um, no. I mean, I have some statements. I don't think I mean, thank you, Ashley. Make a statement.
82% damage. I was I was actually looking at this house about seven years ago and the guy was in there bootlegging the floors then, you know, and so 82% she's been scammed
or or can you just unm Okay. What is Zumper Rentals? Because this house is on Zumba Rentals for for rent right now. It's in Zumba Rentals. Have you do you rent houses? No,
you don't have any houses for rent at all because I see this house on Zer. It says unper rental. Is this You can't be bringing this up. Don't Don't go outside. Don't do your own research. I mean, if you did it
before and you knew it, you knew it. But don't do that now. Okay. Um I have no further questions for the building official. Okay. Anybody else have questions? Is it Billy Fish? Um
I have one I think so obviously some work's done. Um we don't know what work has been done. You haven't seen that. Um in your opinion obviously whatever work's been done is is on top of a failing
structure. Um the uh if I could is it okay to ask the the applicant could you guys tell me what work has been done on the house? Um
they did um they did they took everything out. They they did new floors, new framing, new baronss, new kitchens, um new um electricity, plumby, they did everything inside.
So, you're understanding they did structure work, too. So, these pictures we're looking at obviously shows that uh there's it's bad shape, termites and whatnot. So, you're saying that it was in a really bad shape. Yeah. So, they tore out walls as well or everything? Yeah. I have pictures. I
have picture. I don't have the one with me. Okay. Um phone. Let me see if I have some right now. Look. Is that anything you look at the record? Yeah. Oh, so it be printed. Yeah.
Look at it, but you can email it to us. Okay. If you could email the pictures to us. I mean, we have to wait a second to get those email out to all the council members at the same time. Then we get them all at the same time. Yeah. Again, I just we're here. We we have to make a decision. I don't want you guys
to I mean, you should have been a little more prepared for this, but I want you to be able to show that. So, if if you could show us that any pictures that relate to the actual structure. I I don't want to see a new kitchen. I don't want to see new flooring. I don't want to see painted walls. What I'd like to
see is that uh if you have any pictures that demonstrate that there was some work done to fix the structure, remove studs, and replace studs with uh Okay. Yes. Yeah, we'll email them in just one second.
Yeah, let's um let's take a five minute recess again. If you guys can get the pictures and email them to Ashley, she'll get your email address and that way she can get them out to us. Thank you. We'll recess five minutes. No.
Going to be a late night, gentlemen. I am this is inevitable. What was it? for sure. That makes sense.
Yeah, that's a baby. make it sturdy. Probably going in there. That is probably stronger than the whole thing. Get that coffee pot rolling. It's going to be a long night. You drink coffee
in the morning and black. If I was sitting at a desk back in the office, All right. So, we sent two emails. Uh, so the first email that was sent is the house what it looks like now after being remodeled. And then, uh, the second email is what was done like before the
remodeling. So, like the demolishing part. Second one. saying was Sorry, it's flipped. Yeah, please. Let me pull the second one. We'll I'm have you talk through these this what they are. Oh, yeah, that's better. Okay.
Yeah. So, this was the work that was done uh like getting rid of the uh like breaking down everything, demolishing after the damage. And then uh yeah, it just includes pictures of the house of what was taken out.
So, here looks like there's some floor joists that are being replaced. Yes. Yes. And it looks like I it looks like new studs here on this inner wall. Anyway, 1925. Okay, that was all those pictures.
Yes. Yes. Yeah. And then the new one is what it looks like now. Roll back through those for everybody. Okay, you pull up the other step. I'll go back. So, obviously a significant amount of work has been done
on this this house and it looks like some degree of structural work. again how well it was done um we don't know we weren't involved in process was no permitting or whatever so there's evidence obviously that there's
um been some work done I will say I may now that you've seen these pictures Thank you um I asked the building official if the the pictures of the the work being done changes his opinion about um the safety of the structure and its violation of section 14127 and his
answer is no Why? Because there's no work been done to the foundation. It's all been done above the foundation. The roof is staged two more inches from the original when I did the inspection original.
So the a good question. So the roof October and that was of yesterday. This picture was here from yesterday. That picture is from yesterday. If you go into the inspection in 4ERunner, you'll see a picture that the
sag is not as bad, but that it's it's worse. Now, did you all do any roof work? The roof was specific about the sag in the roof or whatever. It looks like the shingles might have been relatively
new. The shingles in outside sagging. Look like the roof is fairly Yeah. intact. Okay. Um, yeah, give me a second. Okay, let me get back. Okay, we're we're in questions of the
building official by council and I I just stepped out of line and got some pictures. So, we're just go to questions the other day for the homeowner. Well, Bill official, I'm done with my questions for the bill. You want a question for the Go ahead.
I mean, here's the deal. You bought a house worth a couple hundred grand for $95,000 because it was completely destroyed and you went in and you had crews of whoever go in there and they did all this work to the truth. They probably did an okay job, but based
on the pictures, and I've done this for 20 plus years or more, you know, buying homes, flipping homes, everything else, that house is laying on center blocks on the ground. It was laying on center blocks in the ground before you bought. It's laying on center blocks in the ground right now. The building official
couldn't in his wildest dreams approve any part of that house at all. So, right now, you're going to have to figure out what step next step is going to be because based on what I see, there's nothing we can do to help you. I wish there was somebody to help. I really did. But I don't think there is any help. Wow.
The uh you know given the given the state of property this this is definitely tough and especially the amount of investment that was in there. Is is there's a question for Tony. Tony
if if there was In your opinion, is there a way to fix the foundation? Because obviously it's it's it's I agree. It's it probably it looks nice now, but uh it could fall in any moment.
And so if if there was uh and obviously the the applicant is willing to do whatever it takes. Is there is there a is there a path to with the right engineering and right that they can fix a structure and and from the engineers that I have dealt
with over the years I can tell you an engineer is going to go out there and look at it they'll say better off tear it now and start from scratch even though given the amount of work that's been done right now the other catch is the house is at 80%.
Even if it was under the 50%. But with the work that they've done over the 50%. Well, I guess that's what I'm getting at because it is substantial damage home or whatever and it need that amount of investment go into it. It would need to be outside the flood plane. Um obviously
I don't know if that house would be el lifted or not, but if that's something that could be done, they're basically building a foundation underneath it at that point. So, I mean, my opinion would be move it or demo it.
We say move it moving in here, move it off the property, move it somewhere where you're able to do work and repair it the correct way to do it because in the flood zone, it's already going to be past 50% just with the work they did. Not counting the fact that it's already over 50%.
Cost more. Yeah. I can't see letting the family live in this house because that roof could come down in the thunderstorm and kill your daughter and I feel a whole lot worse that happen. Oh, is
I'm sorry David turned it off. It wasn't my fault. But I can't if you're It's hard for me to make the But you had you had a title agency apparently and a realer and whoever did your house
and the owner not do their their job and tell you the truth. And now we're in trying ask you're asking us to allow you to have your family live in a house that could come down in a thunderstorm. It's not safe. I don't I'm
I can't find any reason to let someone live in that house at all. It's It's completely unsafe. It's not built to any standards that I've seen. I've built a few houses and it's and I've been in this position when I was younger. I've had title agencies lie.
It's a shame, but there's no more enforcement on that, but it's it's it's a hard lesson, but it's better than having your daughter get killed because a roof comes down because of a thunderstorm or a windstorm or something. And that's definitely
possible with this house, unfortunately. But, um, you said move it. It's interesting concept um outside of the flood zone, right? Is that uh Well, if you if you move it outside the flood zone, you can remodel it and put
however much you want into it. Well, but the structure still Yep. Yeah. That's not worth it. Not worth it. Definitely not worth fall. Not worth moving what right now what you have because in reality, I've been in her situation
before. Okay. Yeah, me too. It took me $250,000 to correct the problem. Now, the problem is that house is not worth $250,000. So, you're better off at this point here in reality. Tear the house down, sell it
for land value, or build something else on there because right now there's the choices are very limited. They're all trying to be gentle with you. But, I got to tell you like it is. And and the way it is right now is there's no way on this whole green earth that man's going to let you approve that property. And I don't think any engineer would touch it. And I think you've just made a big grave
mistake. You're gonna have to live up to it and take your licks and move on and that's the truth. Tony, I will tell you one thing. Title company have submitted to us, right? Or do we submit? I'm talking with Veronica.
Yeah. Okay. You want to swear in real quick so Hi Verica. You're Veronica. Hi. I never met you before. Do you swear and affirm that the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Yes.
I just wanted to make sure that I'm with what I was going to say. The title company, the title company sent the paperwork wanting to know if everything was correct and all of that. Nothing was in their paperwork about the damage after
the storm, the substantial damage. Veronica made the comment, "You should change your paperwork to ask this question so that you have it up front for the buyer." She got an email like this with a whole lot of nasty words in it because she made the
comment to tell them to change their form. So, it's it goes ahead. Also, when we put this when she purchased this property, it was in March. She's correct. She bought it in March. We put it on the slum and blindly
in April. So it was after the title search was done anyway. So I tried to explain that to the title company. I also told them with the events of hurricanes maybe to revise your application and they took a
big offense to that. None not to say you know please to say that's as far as the title company is concerned. The homeowner was advised. We did speak to the homeowner. He did get letters sent. He did know that the home was substantially damaged in December.
So he was aware. You didn't disclose it to the buyer. Apparently N but it was not sightseeing. We had spoken on the phone um when she had called me and told me her story. And of course I felt bad. You know that the our
intent is not to tear people's homes down. Um, but I did explain to her that the home is substantially damaged. It It had a lot when we walked it, it had a lot of damage. Like we had to walk out of it. Thank you.
Thank you. Yeah. This this is a this is a very unfortunate situation and we can't give you legal advice. Yeah. But you might want to seek some. Yeah. When when did you uh these pictures that you sent when you're doing repairs? When was that?
That was before I uh when when I just before I got that was in March. When did you start fixing it? So we said as soon as as soon as we bought it. So you bought it March March and April you started working on it? Yes. See I guess the title company reached out for the for the sale was that?
Yeah. So the title company they send us a form. They send it to the city clerk. city clerks building department the form that probably been in the February time frame I'm guessing they ask specific questions are there any open permits are there any code violations are there any utility uh fees
things of that nature that so we answer all those questions okay uh well next in process move right along is um closing statement by the uh property owner give the floor back to you.
You have a closing statement? I I don't understand. Anything else? Oh, no. I I'm just in chat. I mean, I don't know. I mean, do you guys um willing to give me an opportunity to get an engineer in there and get his opinion?
You are wasting your time. You're wasting your money. Really? Yeah. Really? It's a beautiful house when you 100 years ago. Yeah. you'd be all right right now. I mean, you can do what you want. I'm just saying like
the uh anything else you want to add? Okay. Uh any final summary for the billy official city? Yes. I think um um I think we we we've all conveyed that this is a a terrible situation that Miss
Smith um finds herself in. Um, however, the pictures and the building officials opinion and what those pictures show um are evidence that the structure um is in violation of section 14127 of the city's code. It is unsafe. Um I think uh
Councilman Hubard's words were very direct and and unfortunate that if if this doesn't come down, someone's going to die in it. And you can see it happening when you look at the pictures of the roof. Um there's been no evidence presented um to
counter that. Um so we'd ask that the appeal be denied. Okay. Thank you. I bring back council for a discussion. Motion. Yeah. To approve the demolition of 7653 pier road. Will you be motion to deny the appeal?
To deny the appeal and approve the demolition. Okay. There's a motion and a second. Any further discussion? Um, I do. Can I confer with you real quick? Is that okay? Yeah. If I'm still council Okay. Um,
given the circumstances, I I want to confer with with Nancy first. Um, in that motion, um, obviously it was a $400 fee for her to come here. Again, this this is going to result in a a huge loss. I' I'd be
willing to refund that $400 fee if council was mental to that. I'm okay with that. That's fine. Okay. So, you put a motion to to refund the uh So, I'll make a motion to refund the the $400 application. We just It's You're okay with that putting that in the motion with that.
Motion to deny with the refund of the the appeal. make a motion uh to deny the um the appeal to prevent the demolition of 7653 Pier Road and a refund of the $400 application fee. Second. Good. Okay. Any further
discussion? Any public comment? Okay. Bring it back for a vote. All in favor signify saying I. I oppose. Motion carries. Thank apologize. Okay, we are so sorry.
Thank you. Not funny. Final director. Finance director does not like to refund fees. That's a joke. Okay, next up is
item six. We have here got two things open. Item number six, approval resolution number 25-36, Pasco County Emergency Management Clan. Pass that to Mr. Butterfield for introduction. Been a while since you've talked. Uh yes, sir. The uh I had no rule in the last few. The Pasco County CMP
represents an allhazard community approach to emergency management as required. What happens is we can have our own city plan, but it has to be updated every five years and ours is 11 years old. So, we need to accept the uh this is gonna the kind of thing that's
going to go on that master calendar where we have a tickler that reminds us when big renewals are due, that sort of thing. Uh we are working on that. Uh but in the meantime, uh what I recommend is we implement the county's plan. Uh we
are working on the uh the city plan. Sam might be able to speak to that. I know Derek is working on that full-time and in fact two weeks from tonight he's going to give a presentation and uh might be able to address that as well. But uh for now it's the county plan that we we basically validate uh that we're
part of the county plan. You have any um yes in this situation we definitely want to make sure that we approve the county plan just as long as you know we we work we work with the county you know regardless. So we are working on a city specific plan which you know our our CRA
resilience d you know coordinator is working on and should have prepared by the next meeting. So there most of those most of the references are our plan will reference the county plan anyway because of how extensive that county plan is tie in with the uh also with the
dispatch that we're handing over to the county. Uh I think separate that they're uh the county commission's voting on July 15th and there have expectation they're going to approve that. So implementation of this the change over start after that you may have something
to add on that. Nope. I have a meeting set up for them with the 16th. Yeah. So right after that make it simple. I'm ready to make a motion. I I have questions. Um have we and and don't get me wrong. I'm not saying Pasco
County is not good. I'm just saying that we are the city and they are the county, you know, and we've been independent for 100 years now, you know. So, are we taking away any independence by saying, "Hey, now boys, we're going to do it your way versus the way we do it."
No, I think it's just said we got an out of date plan that's we haven't been doing it right. Let me read what Derrick wrote. Here's a summary of our coverage uh regarding the agenda item on the CMP adoption. While the city has codified its emergency management functions, it has not
performed the required updates to its CMP since 2011. The base plan is required to be updated every 5 years. The supporting annexes should be updated annually. Due to this, we are required to adopt the county CM until such time we have our own approved plan. I'm
currently working on the city's base plan and have been utilizing a template that addresses all the state requirements. and he's attached his working template which I can send to everybody if you'd like. Andy, are we going to be able to be
compliment the county plan? Are we going to immediately adopt this and be out of compliance? Uh, I think having the plan in place is the main requirement this answers. I think lights on but nobody's home though. I guess an emergency management plan is just that. Sure. You know, poop hits the fan. What are we
doing? What are the residents going to do? What are we going to do as a city? Well, what I did is I went over I believe Mr. Fisker made an appointment and I spent like almost a day looking at their ma disaster management program as
well as the dispatch room and it's definitely worth the visit. It's comp it's attached to our packages and it's very comprehensive. Right. Are are we experts on every aspect of it? Uh but they use us too. It's like buying a
piece of equipment that does, you know, underwater exploration and we got the thing sitting on the dock. We don't even know how to use it. I mean, is this something we're trained in or is it something we're going to be trained in? Is it Are we just going to say, "Oh, we're adopting their plan because if if we're not going
to use it the way it's meant to be used, what's it for?" Well, it actually should uh we should be following FEMA guidelines, state guidelines, and the county. So it's kind of an additive thing there. My in my view I made us understanding but how I
viewed this was it's a it's covers us legally with the state until we can get our own plan updated. So I don't know much more about I mean if once once we adopt this do we ever go back to our plan? Oh yeah. Yeah. We can like just hand it back to them
and say okay we don't need your plan anymore. We now have we would No, we would still we still are beholden to make sure we follow any county you may have. You're always going to want a relationship with Pasco County, no matter what because our our resources are limited. We so we're
only so large. We only have so much. This covers all aspects. It covers EOC, methods of communication, mass communication, some of the stuff we already have in place and some of the stuff we don't. Some of the stuff that will we we we coordinate with the county every year regardless. That's that that
happens all the time. So this there's it's not basically we follow or all municipalities are going to coincide with what the county needs anyway. If in the in the f if the we receive mass devastation has
to lean we're going to respond to county is going to respond to us and so is the state and having this plan there solidifies those steps and guides for for anyone to follow for the for the for the mayor and council to coordinate with the county commissioners those county commissioners coordinate with the state
and so on and so forth. you you want these emergency plans in place to safeguard and cover us as an extra blanket. You've got you've got the city's blanket, then you've got the county's blanket, then you've got the state's blanket. You want you want all that coverage when situations like this
hit because where our resources I mean and the fact that we already have mutual agreements with the police departments, we have mutual agreements with the fire departments. This is just another step towards that. And and as a layman, I'm just trying to understand what are we getting ready to adopt here? Is this an employee manual?
Basically, if you you signed an employee manual, you come to work at the city. Hopefully, we signed an employee manual. You make every employee. So, that has like 450 pages of what you can and can't do. Is that what this is here on a on a county level? I'm just wonder
is like an insurance policy like they're going to come save us if something crazy happens or is this just something we just put on the shelf and it creates dust and we we have it kind of thing. I'm trying to figure out. Well, because every year they renew it. And the thing is is that if we if we have our own and we reassess that, you know, we don't,
you know, if if our if our if our police department, fire department, city manager, you know, they have they start looking into this a situation comes up and we don't like their guidelines, we could step away from, you know, we could always step away from it. It's not, you know, and plus this changes every year. You they're going to have a 2026
version, they have 27, so on and so forth. This changes every year because they add they they try and they try and coincide with additional counties and the rest of the state. I mean it's I guess my question is and I'm not saying we shouldn't be doing this. We
haven't done anything since 2011 or 2025 right now and all of a sudden we're going to buy this manual and put it on the shelf. I mean we're going to prove it. I'm wondering what are we what are we going to get now by approving this that we didn't get before? We have a plan in place for one, right?
Is there I mean a plan is better than no plan. A plan that nobody does anything with is not a plan at all. It's a piece of paper that sits on the shelf. So, do we have any training in this thing at all? Do we have any are we going to go through procedures here with our police department or fire department and with you know the other folks? I'm
just wondering I would go over and visit What's that? I would go over and visit Pasco County and they can go in that in detail for a day. are there for sure. It's it's impressive and that'll I mean
you're asking valid questions but that'll answer a lot of them. I guess what I'm asking is once we all say okay we all approve it then what? Well what what happens then is the staff and the employees of the city need to
are adopting this plan and this is the process for emergency management. I think you can ask him to bring it in here. I was going to say I don't know if there's a time frame or a limit or something, but maybe we should have Derek come in and explain what what what it is what you're
agreeing to. I think I know in general what it is, but I can't tell you. So I never have not seen that for me to step forward and say, you know, for the citizens on their behalf, yeah, we're going to adopt this. I got to understand it. Are we are we any time constraint to approve this? That's why I don't not to my not to my knowledge. Can we
table to the next meeting next week? There's not I mean there's not we're even building has something to add. The ST outlines the county strategies for disaster whether it's man-made whether it's a disaster hurricane it it
helps all agencies. It helps all departments. So it's a strategy that we all follow that we all help. So if we need mutual assistance from them, they're there to guide us, to help us. That that is the comp plan is right. I'm
the government. I'm here to help you. Explain this to us. I'm so for this. What What is your big What is your big You understand what you're getting ready to say yes to? It coordinates the effort. We're not It's almost for lack of a
better word aid in disasters. coordinates the the municipalities. The last thing we want to be is an island where we're kind of by ourselves. You're worried about loose idea. It is well, it's everybody working together. It's a collaboration. It's a
city. They work with other cities and with the county. I don't see what your problem is with it. I don't see what the problem is with me asking questions. So, well, it's maybe it would be best if we table it and just bring it back. have Darren talk to it or we could prove I
mean I'll take a vote either way. Yeah, let's take a vote whether we table or not because you always got to vote for that is a retired firefighter. He has something in a moment. I'll give you just a second. Okay. I did want to let you know the original email did not specify a time frame from
Pasco County. So if you do need to table it, I don't see an issue. They didn't put a sense of urgency. And I and I will add that ultimately you're going to have to adopt it because you don't have one and by statute they you have to follow them until you have your own.
But I also agree that you should understand what you're signing. Yeah. Do you do you have do you have a specific problem with the agreement or you just want to understand it more? I mean the only problem I have is we haven't done anything in 13 14 years. Okay. And and not 11 whatever it is. Okay.
It's over 10. You know, now all of a sudden we're like gotta adopt this thing. And I'm like, well, hold on. What is this thing? That's all I'm trying to We adopted this before with the Do we adopt this every year? I assume we have, but we plan. Oh, we adopt it every year. So, this is
not something makes it official. Woke up 10 years later. Every year when they when they redo their plan, they have to get approval from the state and all these other entities. Veronica, when you when you research stuff, you look at this for what to do? If I need to, I go to emergency
management. Is there is there like shelters and things at county schools and how do we contact who at the county? It's it's additive and it's we don't lose our sovereignty. Okay. I'm not I'm not I'm not trying to turn away. I'm just trying to
understand. So is I guess there was no red lines in there with what's changed. Hey, I'm okay with moving forward. I don't I'm just I need to ask the question. What is that do or give or whatever? And if you're saying we're going to our people are going to look at it and they're going to operate based on that
because we don't have our own. I get it. It's the roadmap for the way dated operations. They they've been doing it. If you if you look at page 298, there's a a letter outlining from Pasco County explaining the the the reasoning behind adopting this plan. 298.
Yes. 298 or 298 of the document. 298 of the agenda. Agenda. Agenda. So the the letter to andy yes betterfield this purpose letter is before you me have to adopt this if they don't have
their own okay so is there a motion something I'll make a motion motion is uh to adopt 25-36 Basel County Emergency Management Plan
okay second have a motion to second any further discussion any public comment. Y'all did it already, but I was going to say that name and address for the record. Again, my name is Bruce Torren at 8119 Channel Drive. Um, I was in fire service
for Tampa for 30 years. E, uh, FEMA actually has classes for this, okay? You know, there's a chain of command that you have to follow. City, county, state when you're asking for resources, okay? You have to follow that. If you don't
with not having a plan in place, you're probably not going to be following the correct plan. Okay? And by, you know, them not having one, okay, like somebody was just saying, you're going to be out there on the island by yourself, you know, and u you're it's not costing you
anything to take their plan. It's just a guideline to know and to, you know, make sure that you're doing things the the correct way. You know, when you ask for funds from the governor, there's a certain way you got to do it. You don't just say, "Hey, I need some funds." You know, it's the
same thing when the governor asks for, you know, a state of emergency from the federal government. You know, when he asked the president, it's a certain way on the national plan. I get it. Exactly. So, there's it's not costing y'all anything. Just But it would be nice to have your own plan. And I you
remember I spoke with you about that. There are classes that the government puts on for cities, municipalities to take part in and go and you can sit for a week, sometimes they're two weeks long and they'll they'll teach you about emergency management. I don't have any problem with us
understanding their plan, you know, at all. I think Thank you, sir. I think it's a good start and I think that um we adopt it. I think that we should continue to look at it if we need to make changes. Obviously, we can talk to them about getting in the next iteration of it or develop our own. But this is something
we need and it's worth a trip over there to visit. It really is. That's pretty cool. Since we're in the sunshine, I just emailed everybody our draft plan. But I said don't don't reply all.
Uh so you can see our draft plan and then Derek will keep working on it and we can at least if it's not ready, we can at least talk about it. He's already on the on the agenda for uh two weeks from now. Okay. Thank you. Any other public comment? See you bring back for a vote. All in favor 65 saying I
I opposed. Motion carries. Next item number seven, purchase request 6612T trailer mounted trash bypass pump. I'll pass that to Mr. Butterfield for introduction. Uh yeah, this is uh this was budgeted and expected and we think it'll uh help
us in any lift station uh including our biggest one. Uh even if both S, can you help me out? Even it was gallons per minute. No, it was 74 horsepower and we thought the gallons per minute ratio would enable us to even our
hardest working lift station. Yes. Um I have a spec sheet that I could pass out to council that wasn't included in the packet. Um if the clerk wouldn't mind handing that out, but a bypass pump it could be used for water or the sewage system.
This this bypass pump is primary the you know is primary for our lift stations and sewer systems. Um basically if a lift station is to go down or requires repair, this pump would be utilized to bypass the sewer flow from that lift station um and it can either be bypassed
to the next lift station over or to you know to the force man to the gravity line. Um that will allow future repairs. Um you know it will allow in the event of an emergency and if a lift station goes down especially you know especially this time of year as we're approaching
hurricane season. Um, but this bypass pump can be used for many things. It could be used as a storm water aspect. If I had it to drain, if we had it to um drain a pond, drain a swale because it's overflowing and it needs to be, you know, because of heavy heavy rainfall and you want to redirect this to an
adjacent swale or adjacent, you know, inlet, you can use this bypass pump. Uh Pasco County utilized a bypass pump for at least two almost three years before they just redid the drainage on on Springer Drive here in Formel. So they
used a bypass pump to bypass the flow of one swale and cross the street to the other so that flow can be increased. So this bypass pump can be used for many you know many aspects but primarily for for purposes. Um the RPMs uh of Bay
Boulevard is our largest lift station in the city um with 240 horse of power pumps. This lift station will maintain and be able to pump to the floor um if necessary at that at that largest lift station. So this could this this could replace
Bay Boulevard's stations in the capacity of it will replace the uh the work invaluable work. If we have total loss, if we had total loss in Bay Boulevard with bulk pumps, no le, you know, no power,
um it went down, this would this would maintain it for an extensive amount of time. You could also use this as uh over by limestone as sunset with the flood. It could pump out storm drains as well. Yes, it basically it's it's basically just a large pump that you
you can use for sewer flow. You can use for storm water flow. Had one before you know emergency I'm sorry. What are we using today to serve in this capacity? Vacck trucks would would come and you would rotate those sub trucks. We have rented
during the during Helen we rented a we rented one uh for for the older lift station uh which is our master lift station and we had to rent one for that. So you know what was that? Uh if you give me a moment I do have that with me. As far as purchasing this dude we're
going through the sheriff's list. Yes. How do who who maintains this stuff for us? We take our our our police cars somewhere else for an oil change. Probably next door at the garage, right? Who maintains these pieces of equipment?
It would all depends on the special who specializes in that in that equipment diesel, right? So the the you know Daryl our director would go ahead and find out talk to the company and find out who this you know first of all it's under would be under warranty for for for
maintain it warranties don't do maintain but we would maintain that with of course this the closest specialist that would do that that's that would be his research to find out who that local vendor is that perform I guess my question is what do we do about maintenance now that's what I'm asking
does each department handle their own maintenance or we have a maintenance Basically, each department handles their own piece of equipment probably has its own maintenance log, too. Yeah, each department. The Vector has its own The Vector has its own log. Does each car have its own maintenance log? Yes, it does.
Yes. And we buy warranties for ours to make sure because the wear and tear, they're so great on them. And even the fire equipment, they have their own maintenance equipment. And I would assume so, but I can't speak for that. The big fixes for the fire, they go up to Ocala to the facility up there.
Okay. So there's a place where we fix for more local stuff that actually Pasco County helps us out on some of the fire truck. I mean this is a pretty sophisticated piece of equipment $66,000. Oh yeah. I'm sure it has a maintenance thing. You know something you have to go through to maintain it correctly. Yeah. Especially after sucking salt water
in a cast iron pump. Do you find a rental from 927 through 1018? It was quote it was $4,940 for $4,000 for a month. Two weeks for just two weeks. Two weeks. It's okay. Eight grand.
But like I said, the the application of this pump will help us um during during the two lift stations that we're that we'll have, you know, now now that we're doing the maintenance those two lift stations, we can help offset the price of what they because they would just go ahead and bring their
own uh bypass pump or rent one and charge that back to the city. Now that and I will check with Daryl if that work has started yet, which I don't believe it has because we're we're now on their schedule list to do that. And now we can offset that cost and even dropped that lower than what we what was approved to
do those repairs. But in in the fact that we're in this type of this type of season, having a bypass pump for municipality is is is just very very important and the fact that it covers several aspects um you know like I said for both storm water and sewer if need be.
Sounds like a great piece of equipment. Would anybody like to buy it? I'll make a motion. I've been waiting on it. Motion to approve to approve the purchase of a 6612T trailer mounted trash bypass pump by Pat's Pump and Blower for $66,900.
Is there a second? I have a motion to second. Any further discussion? Uh the only thing I had is I did some searching on the internet. There are other companies. I don't know if we want to blindly go along with the whatever the sheriff's office have negotiated.
I'm just wondering if if it makes sense to look u competitive pricing st did you price anything out other than look at with the sheriff's contract that's basically already done they go out and I don't know if it's the lowest price
it's price it's cheaper don't make it better it's called the sheriff's list but it's everyone in the state every municipality uses every county it's it's the gold standard I I I I I think be hardressed to find the same. These contracts are are formed by the
state for allowing municipalities to do these purchases. And let me finish please. But what we can do if denied, we can go out to bid and do our own process that we that we can always have that option. So it's just one one it's just in efficient way for purchasing to happen
by going by a state a state negotiated contract. So but we can always go out to bid. My suggestion is to do a little due diligence, get some alternative pricing, and take a look. I'm not sure that the
state contract is the the lowest cost and the best value. I don't believe that governments I don't believe governments get the best deal. I think they get bent over the table and I think that we can get a better price.
I've seen prices on these just from what I did on the internet search. Similar type of equipment went from 35 to 55K. It's got a Cumins diesel motor on it. This is not a The other one had an Isuzu and the other one had a Yanmar. So, but now you're in the Chinese stuff versus
those are Japanese. Very good. Very good. Yanmar is good diesel. Yes, they are. So, I I that that's just that's just my opinion. And I I think let's just don't in the future go blindly pick a number
off a piece of paper and say that's the best deal. I think due diligence is always worth an effort. We cannot get other quotes unless you go out to bid. That's what I'm trying to explain. There's a process, right? You have to go out to bid and you can't just reach out
to Bob Hubard's pumps and he says $30,000 and buy it, right? They have to everybody has to bid process. Yeah. Where this process obviously it's already a contract that's already went through that process and so that's why
you all right back to my original concern. We've had nine months of effort and all of a sudden this just shows up. We could have been doing something for nine months getting competitive quotes. It's just an observation. We put it out the
bin. You could you could have what did you do for nine months? We've got a a tremendous amount of spend that was requested in the last capital uh budget, but we're falling way short. I don't see anything saying where we're at or a plan
to get there. That's all my concern is. If if I may, we're going to do more due diligence than we already do. I'm going to need a bigger staff. We should have a procurement professional on staff. Uh the this the sheriff I've been using the sheriff's list for eight years and it's
it's the gold standard. It's the envy. Other states use it. It's it's competitively bid. It's not a good old boy network. They they bid long and hard to get the right to to get the contract because if you get the contract, you're going to get a lot of business. So, uh,
I I I would just I I literally would need a a procurement professional if we're going to do more uh more research on everything we I think I think Councilman Miller, your your your point is is And I'd like to know what the lead time is on this.
How long is it going to take to procure this once we cut a cut a PO? I think the wait time is four weeks. Four weeks. I I was just thinking we're in the we're in one week into or one month and a uh almost two weeks into
hurricane season. This would have been a good idea after the last one since we actually used one. I I it just I I don't have any I don't have any suggestion for that. I mean people
need to be thinking ahead. We have requirements that are not getting met. We have budgets that aren't getting spent and it just behooves me why we're not actively proactively trying to address some of these things.
Okay, that's all I'll say. Any other discussion? Any public comment? See put to the vote. All in favor say by saying I opposed. Motion carries. Uh last up, item number eight, city port authorized agent letter pertaining to the Florida
division of emergency management local mitigation strategy hazard mitigation grant program FDM ML LMS HMGP grants. I'll pass that to Mr. Butterfield for introduction. I think this uh is uh just to give me the privilege of taking over for Matt as
the authorized agent for the city in this uh in this area. A privilege it is a privilege it is privilege to work. A uh motion to approve staff recommendation to designate Andrew Butterfield,
interterm city manager. Make a motion. Dave got a second. Any further discussion? Any public comment? Seeing none to put the vote on favor signify by saying I oppose. Motion carries. Next up, old business. Any old business discuss? I do.
Floor is yours. I was wondering what the progress was with TJKM and the safe streets. It's supposed to been resolved some last week, I believe, or the week before they were supposed to come forward with something.
I have still waiting on draft. Uh they're they're close to final draft. So, I've been contacting them and that's what I'm waiting on right now. So, they have all the information that they need. It should be done soon. I just I I was I I was expecting it the last week, but I've
not received it yet. That's what they said. That was last meeting. That's what I know. So, as soon as I get it, I definitely will bring it to city manager's attention. And you've been also reaching out to SC Construction on the removal of that piling. Yes, I brought the piling to them and
actually I brought I talked to coastal engineering. We want to set up a final a final walk through which I especially, you know, I I especially pointed out about this column. So, I'm like, we need to investigate this and whatever needs to be done, but this column is a point of concern. So, they're both aware of
that and we're setting up an on-site meeting that I actually want the city manager, myself, um, you know, building official, we're all going to attend and go out there. So, as soon as they set that up, we'll be meeting them very soon. We brought that up to them with you and Matt Cppler. When was that?
Okay. Uh, it's it's been a few months at least. Yeah. They've had plenty of opportunity. So it's they have not yet been paid a dime for this job. So that's not coming. So we have a water hazard. That's my that's my issue. We have a navigational hazard in the
middle of the river. That's the big thing with me. And that's Well, you got a meeting I guess in a week or two, I guess. Or Yes. I'm hoping I thought to be setting it up and sending us an invitation soon. So Okay. And we had had talked about um
having code with the docks and peers within the city limit and we had an issue a little bit issue a couple of us did with uh with that code and there is a code I guess as far as docu I was you
had 48 hours it had to be repaired or replaced which was too soon I believe was in the initial document. This is about a month ago and you were going to be working on that. Do seaw walls you mean?
Seaw walls covers seaw walls and boat canopies. We're still working trying to get a seaw wall guiding canopies or anything about dogs. Anything about canopies. We don't have anything on the books about canopies. Not yet. I thought we were talking.
We talked about it. Yeah, we talked about docks. The issue we have is there's docks that are dangerous, right? that are are public docks. I know they're on property, but when it's a restaurant or a marina, right, it's public access. If it's behind
someone's house, then it's not public access. But if someone gets hurt, which is I'm looking at uh like a docks and Hooters, for example, Exactly. You've got shrimp boats are getting charged to pay for a slip there and there's no slip. They have tubby
buys going out to their boats and and the owner Frank hasn't repaired those docks and it's dangerous. Some kids going to walk out of that Chinese restaurant there and break a leg or something and and it needs to be issued. Is there something we can do to make them fix that dock?
Do you mean Mexican restaurant? Huh? Mexican. I'm sorry. Like where's a Chinese restaurant down there? Mexican, Chinese, whatever. Restaurant, you know. I don't I don't remember this conversation. Maybe it was when Tom was here. I don't know. I might say
5325 Treadway Drive. They have step one. Let me look at the code and see what there's the what we can do to start with. We'll talk about it and come back to you. Are you familiar Tony? I don't know if you've looked at anything about the dogs. Dogs. I don't I don't know what's in there.
So, we'll I'll look at it. He is now. Well, there we were we were going to invi invite a new code and myself well there was a seaw wall too but the dogs were part of there was a whole bunch of stuff in it right
and there was in there one of the big issues I had was what's considering deterioration of the pierce right and it need to be repaired in 48 hours and that's impossible on pier finding a contractor to get it done that fast I was hoping
get a permit to condense the appears to be if they're 50% that they need to be notified and give them a year or at least six months to replace and repair them because everybody's been very busy with docks. There's not that many contractors in the area. But there is a code that I was
told on docks, especially public docks, and our code, city code. Okay. And that's what Nancy is going to look up and find out what the code is. and needs to be issued. Someone needs to be told that that needs to be replaced because someone's going to break a leg
or get hurt over there. Set the hurricane. They haven't made any motion to fix those docks. Okay, we'll look into it. So, the a dot code, does that need to go planning zoning or can that come to us? We're going to change it in a planning.
Depends on where it says. Now, I guess once you find out there, I'll need to read it because it may capture what you're wanting to do. Yes, we got Yeah. Find out what we can do. Yep. Frank, we definitely have something on Docs. I just don't know what
Frank can fix him. He just won't and he needs to be told to. All right. Well, Frank, fix it. Yeah, exactly. Give Tony a bull whip and get over there. Get it done. I will try to find a whip in here for him. Any any other old business? One thing
it's it's I'm thinking in the future. Um I don't know when this old business because you can get comments too. So this is old business. No, I don't stay old business. All right. Old business. I was just going to talk to his didn't planning and zoning. Weren't they
supposed to bring a seaw wall? That hasn't happened yet. It's not happened because we need someone that knows about seaw wall construction to give us true accurate information to put in the seaw wall to put in that. That's right. To put in an ordinance. Okay. So that that is why that's held up. We
were supposed to meet to discuss it. Actually, it was with Port Authority board. There was a thought that that might help. And it's they have a lot of great ideas, but it's not can't just make it up. Is anybody working on that?
Well, the covers going to come together. Yeah. And I think um S was looking or Andy Water were looking for someone that might be able to help with the technical seaw wall information that we need. Chris and I have information on canopies.
Canopies are easier than the seaw walls. Seaw wall. We had a mayor that built seaw walls here at one time. Maybe I know you want it. I need to get the language. We're trying to bring it together. That's just a danger needs to be rectified.
Yeah. Okay. building officials found a good model that uh that's very solid that's rated up to over 180 knots of wind, right? Oh, yeah. Look, we've been looking at a boat canopies, vice mayor, that you had brought up about a month
ago, boat can official found one that uh is rated over 180 knots. Frame frames 180 mph and it mounts to the poles to the poles. I'll order one. Where do I get one? Well, we approve. We want to bring that forward as
you do it as the city. My pontoon will thank you. She's been in the sun for about 10 years and it's getting smoked. That' be funny. Canopy's still there, but your boat's gone. We can bring it to the boat canopy separate from the seaw wall. We They're all in the same section. So, we're
trying to do it all at once, but we can we can move one forward. We're a boating community. Nice. And that building off said 180 miles. That's what we need. Put it up there. You can roll up like if a storm's coming, you can roll it up so it don't
get torn. Would be nice, too. It takes a strain off. It sounds like we can we can maybe get That's how the frame is. There you go. The frame. The frame is all steel mounted to the top of the poles for the boat. Yeah. Canopy. You roll the canopy up at 75 miles or more.
That's awesome. That's all you do is roll the canopy up, put the canopy on the ground. When the wind's gone, you roll it back out, clamp it back in place. Sounds like a plan. I can envision we Let's get it on the agenda. My jet skis and whatever my boat we can decouple that from all the other
things and maybe get that through the pipeline. Any more old agenda? Any other old business? The voters out there will appreciate that. You guys get chatty on me. Any old business? Okay. You can ask me if I any old business. You want I'm looking right at you. Old business.
I'm good. I just wanted to mention the uh the CAC meeting that we had that talked about I was going to do that myself but take away your Yeah. So so I had some old business by I've done that before. I don't funds for the CAC mural. Um they I believe correct if I'm wrong Chris there they they
agreed to burn they wanted to ask for $1,000 for paint. Is that was that the ending number? They asked for a,000 or $1,500,000 a thousand what they so and I don't know if it' be appropriate or not. we go ahead and and uh and uh authorize them
authorize $1,000 for that mural project. I know there authorize them up to $2,000 up to I second that. So a motion for $2,000 up to $2,000. Second. It is a long second and the second wants to get bids right. Make sure we're getting the right
cost on paint. I just joke. Just I apologize. Is there a five gallon bucket coming? Yeah, I bet you do. Is there any further discussion on that? Any any public any public comment? Say put a vote. All in favor say by saying I. I opposed. Motion carries. $2,000.
Now, um is there a specific uh bucket we need to take that out of? I think there's funds in under public works under No, how about the CRA because it it's in the that is in the in
the CRA. It's an improvement and it is an improvement to improve the then it can't happen at this meeting. Oh, I think it's relatively small amount of money. Let staff figure out where the best place to cut this from. You just wiped out your motion. It
really does turn out to be CRA. We'll bring it to CRA and if that's the best place. Can I clarify in a second? Thank you. Dave. Yeah, cuz I I busted. You just wiped out. Is that money for a vendor that they're going to bring in or is that just for
the material tarps or drops paint? Should we should we coordinate with that person and whoever's going to be doing what they specifically Simpson runs that? I just I just they have a $2,000 paint budget or supply budget is kind of way I look at it.
We're trying to get an artist to maybe donate their time as long as we provide the paint. They're they're working that out. Okay. Okay. Okay. That's all business I had. So, moving right along. Is there any other little business before move on? Okay. So, next up is council comments and the
mayor. And so, I'll start uh start my left. Councilwoman Burke. No, just that um our city manager talked about acquisitions and annexation and that's something that we have a lot of
citizens talking about right now too. So pop properties popping up or getting ready to pop up. So we need to really start watching that what's what's coming up. Yes, ma'am. Y you know we you talked about a realtor earlier um fine. Well, I guess that you
don't need us to do anything. I I just uh I clarified with Nancy that anybody that's a realtor, but they're on one of our boards, we uh Right. I I definitely make sure that we using a realtor so that when they go to inquire any of these that they're not saying, "Hey, the city's interested in this." We
got a buyer. Okay. Very very knowledgeable in this area. 40ear experience. Fantastic. I I obviously would like to use somebody in the city if possible. Can't use somebody on board. Not on board, but live in the city obviously. So,
um, that all you sure? Yeah. You deserve more time. I do. Okay. Vice Mayor, mayor. Um, after witnessing what happened with this
lady here in these houses. I mean, I'm seeing a lot of Latinos for houses up there. I'm just saying they're they're they're buying them cheap. They're buying the flooded houses. They're going in there. What are you seeing, Tony? I mean, are these people Same thing. Same thing. They're they're buying them cheap thinking they don't have to do
much. They're flipping them. Are they getting caught with their you know what, their tool bag down? Yep. And it's causing a big problem. How do we warn these folks about that kind of stuff? Is there any way to warn them? We sent letters and we've got all kind of stuff. And I think the website says like the
building department website says like need a permit, check these things. So if they're doing any kind of due diligence, you think they would look at that? I mean, she dropped 100 grand on the house and probably dumped another 100 grand into the house and now she got a pushover. It's hard for me to fathom that a real
title agency and contractor all of them. Contractor is not going to catch it because he's he's a Latino guy working under the table and he's just going to fix I'm just saying he's he's going to he's working the house is probably fixed nice.
Yeah, I know. That's that's what I'm saying. What can we do to warn these folks? They pro she might. Who knows? Who knows? I mean, and you could have warned him. She did it anyway. I think that the the real the reality of
it is is that use stock market for example, you take 100 grand, you go out and buy a stock, don't know anything about it, right? You lose lose your shorts, right? Or you could you win a bunch of money. But it's it's incumbent upon the person that's investing that money to do due
diligence. Say, "Okay, buying this house. Can I do what I want with it?" Right? I'm I'm going to I'm going to rehab this house. Who do I need to reach out to to to get permits or what? I mean, it's not a foreign thing. I think everywhere you
have to get some kind of government approval, even in other countries. So again, it's different, but people should know that they need to check in before they just dump money on something. During the 0809 crash, I saw realtors
and mortgage people go to jail because they were they were flat setting people up. And that there's I mean, they're it comes back on them. I mean, if if you're a realtor and you don't disclose something that you're aware of, it's you'd be fired. I'm just asking is there something we could do to
I told the state of Florida that they have they have certain laws as far as realtors are liable and ty it's not enforced. That's the problem. Well, is there something in the building department? Veronica, do we do we have lied to me about it. Title agents have lied to me about it. I've turned them
over and nothing's ever done to them. I'm just wondering because we got a call from a closing agent. Okay. is at that point there is there some notice that we can give the purch they they fill out a form they fill out a form right
there's nothing on the form that talks about it you got to be the title agency can sue us probably she can sue them right so you got to be careful right they can't just yeah they got to be careful
what they tell the the person buying the property because they the title agent can sue them so can the realator and it's harder it's easier for them to do that it's easier for them to sue us but for her to go after them is a little bit difficult she's got a good case she'll get a realer I can't tell her to do that but
you need an attorney an attorney but she had a real Nancy but yeah I have to spend $3,000 to figure the problem is nothing these things aren't enforced there's I believe me I'm in the car business and I understand what's
enforced in Florida there's really I mean Only thing you can do is put a, you know, put signs up, put things on on on the on your on social media, you know, justformational. There's nothing legally you can do. There's no, you know, there's nothing Well, I guess why did why didn't code
enforcement this about that case? Why did code enforcement not catch that work being done? Stop work order. That would have been I'm I'm not done with my my time. I'm just one of the things I was going to talk about. Yeah. So So I'm seeing and maybe you guys are seeing it too. A lot of these houses that have been over 50%
damaged, the people just like walked away and like closed the doors and and the grass is growing. This like two feet tall, trashes in the yard, old cars are in there. I don't want to sick the zoning enforcement people on people because I don't like the threat of the government coming down on you all time.
But that kind of crap's got to stop. You got one guy with a house for sale that's nice and pretty and two doors down it looks like the the rats are going through the guy's trash for if I could add to that because I had that on my list to talk about. I was going to specifically on you you go ahead sir.
So I'm gonna get right back to you but since we're talking about grass um and I can check this off my list. So code enforcement obviously I want to find out because there is properties around here that have high grass and you know I looked through the the report where I think when we mow the city mow
somebody's grass the process charge 250 bucks or something goes or something. Yeah. All right. So that what it is 250. Okay. So what is the process on high grass? We have to site them and when can a city actually mow that? When it gets over a foot. you would give
them opportunity to do so and if they don't come into compliance, you would do it yourself and then charge them for it. It would take it'd be a process because you use county court. You have to take them to court, get before we can mow it, get a guilty, you got to take them to court before you can mow it. Let me ask you this.
Is there is there a way because mowing is a minor thing, right? very easy to do unless you're going unless you can't do it unless you hit their water pipe and cause $10,000 damage property. City is going on private property to mow. So they can't just do it. You can't just go. We're here to
help. You're not so even if we had some kind of resolution in place or whatever that once grass reach certain high we can mow it and charge. Can't do that. We could look into it, but you're we are in the process of getting bids right now. I think he's got two properties that um he's going to actually mow. So we're in the process of
doing that right now. And we do have a mowing budget through through code enforcement through code enforcement. Yeah, we have a mowing budget and that goes against he's excited. I'll talk about I just wonder honestly I know the code enforcement process very long process
artist process. If there was some way we could for something like mowing that we could actually keep the city looking better and and do some of that without having to go through a long arous process that be great to know. Can I reclaim my time?
I'm just reclaim your time. I'llow it. Thanks. I appreciate that. So, just going down. What's that road next to Bay Boulevard? Milner or what is it called? We went on the Oh. Uh,
what's the name of that road, Ashley? You were sledding in the or not sledding, but the Berlin. Berlin. Berlin. I mean, you go down that road and there's a guy who takes pride in his house. He's cutting his grass. He's edging. He's mulching. He's pulling his weeds. His house got a new roof.
Paints look good. Everything's nice. And two doors down, it looks like the place is getting ready to get condemned. I mean, we I think as a city council, we've got to be proactive on getting this crap cleaned up because it looks bad in our neighborhood. Values of real estate are going to be drastically reduced. I won't even buy a house. I
wouldn't even think about buying a house when you drive down like three of them look like they're condemned. Yes, we this actually came up earlier today in another meeting we were having something else that there was direction at one point from council for code enforcement to kind of let some stuff go after the storms like tarps on the roof. I think
mowing was one of them. Debris was one of them for a while to give the trailers give people time to get their act together. But that's the direction code enforcement had. And so they actually was the conversation that they need new directions. So that's actually on your agenda for next I think it's going to be on the agenda for the next meeting.
Can we get closer than that? No, I think it needs to be on the agenda for this meeting. I had a conversation. I had a conversation. We had a conversation right here and I brought it up. We're running out of time. We've eliminated
the free permits and we need to be putting the city on notice. And this was almost a month ago. Yeah. I remember and and we agreed that we ought to encourage owners of boats, trailers,
RVs, things going on that, hey, we're going to start enforcing this stuff. And we do that through the code enforcement to say, hey, you need to get your act together. And we agreed here that we would do that. Somehow that somehow that message didn't get communicated.
about dead tags, like stuff with no tags, like sitting in the front yard. So, two cars side by side with the grass, three feet tall in the front yard, no tags on at all. I'm talking about people living in a camper for over a year. Yeah. And I've been talking about it for over a year that they've been living is we need to
have the code enforcement enforce the code. Again, Andy, I don't want this to be let's go kick everybody's butt the whole place. Let's clean up the the right. I need clarity then because I know code enforcement's been getting mism mixed messages. Well, let me throw something out there.
Yes, sir. Code enforcement goes out, they say the property, give them an NOV, notice of violation. Takes two to three months before they can get to court in Pesco County to take them to court.
And that's just an arraignment. That's just step one. That's step one. No, that's not what we're talking about. Yes. No, we're talking because now if code enforcement is giving you an NOV, okay, the notice of violation, now you've got 3 months
before it makes it to court to go in front of the judge. What is this? What is this memo that you get or this tag that you get say, "Hey, you need to move your trailer in seven days." That's an ov, right? But the problem is if I don't move my trailer, then you go
down the other process. But the process is is once you get noticed, you have three months to sit here until he's able to get into court to take you to court and he's off the street. But the point and then it's moved.
But the point is is we need to encourage keeping things right. You can't encourage you got to order this is to make it easier. We need to have a magistrate here. That would be how to fix everything because then it's an NO and in a week and a half he's in
here in front of a magistrate correcting the problem. I think we have people that want to come up and I think that we need to encourage them to say hey we need to somehow have a communication rather than just plastering stuff on.
Are they getting are they getting notices? Are they talking and they're getting they get a notice? Then when Pat comes back, he puts all the information in. Then he turns around in 10 days and mails out a notice. So they've got a notice on the
door. Then in 10 days, they get another notice. Then in two months, they're supposed to go to court. By then they've already called. They've already fixed the problem. Can we do a remote magistrate? You don't need to. You have a contract for a magistrate. We just have not implemented it here yet because we have
to rework your code because currently your code is all about fines from the county court, right? So, we have to do a code revision. So, Matt, we got our own fines when we put a magistrate. I mean, you're paying for the magistrate, you're paying from for magistrate time, my time. Um, we have to be here, too.
I represent. Yes, I represent you. We we've already at every magistrate here and you have to be here. Probably already we already approved that. We So, you didn't cut your grass. I got to bring the lawyer in from from Clear Water. Enforcement is an aspect of that. You can tell somebody mow your grass. And many people you can do it all at one time though.
It would be with special magistry. You pick a day that special mag. That's why the state of Florida doesn't go after title agencies and realers because it's so expensive to do that. If Tonyy's telling us that we're putting these notices out there and the people
are just blowing them off, we need to figure out how to They blow them off and when they get the letter telling them you have to show up in court next month, right? Then they fix the problem. Yeah. Okay. So Pat's happy because I've got this problem solved, but in the meantime, he's thrown out notices. He's
thrown out paper and time and the special magistrate's faster and your clients can be hired. But the problem is this, it's hurting our city right now because property values are plummeting and because the houses are crappy. So we we're we're responsible to do something about that.
So we're not going to solve the code enforcement process tonight. Okay. So, I think the the the thing we need to focus on is is I'm hearing consensus with council that the uh the the liberty period is over, right?
And so, code enforcement needs to start thing. Now, I want to I want to preface this with, you know, if somebody's got a trailer, I'm going to speak for myself. I've got a trailer sitting in my in my driveway. It's storing my furniture while I'm doing my floors. So, I'm hope I'm have my floors done. But that trailer sitting there, which is tagged,
licensed, and ready to go, is different than somebody's got grass that's 3 ft high. So, I think, you know, as we go back into code enforcement, you know, are we really concerned about people with a trailer, uh, or are we concerned about the bad stuff that really looks, you know, people's graves? What if they have three trailers out
front? What if they have two of those rental things and they go on and on and on and on. What I want to say is is we need to start tightening up getting getting code enforcement back on the road or nothing and doing that all or nothing. Well, I don't know if I'd agree with
that. I don't see code force but one guy is not go out there and sight the entire city. He could focus on certain aspects of it. He could drive around do grass. This this is this is more than just harassing homeowners. This is the value of our real estate and the people who
are trying to cash out or want to cash out. It's diminishing the value of their real estate. We're doing them of disfavor or by not enforcing us doing it right. It happens everywhere. It's not just us. Yeah, but I know we're responsible just like everybody else is. Yeah. I think we as city council are responsible to say, "Hey, it's time to
hit the gas. Let's Let's get I think we're there. Just what do we do? just ask Andy to tighten up to tighten up or but you also have to look at the other part of the problem is you asked how that woman was able to get her house done and nobody caught the
contractor there. Yeah, the weekends. Well, we need to put a weekend. We need to rotate a schedule. They did that before they and that's that's how the majority of them are doing it because Pat will go out and see the stock in the driveways
knowing that they're going to be working Saturday and Sunday. You go out there the next day or you go out there on Monday, everything's gone and cleaned up. Yeah, I bet you're saying they're out there working the weekends because there's nobody around to catch them.
Maybe best staff code enforcement work Saturday, Sunday, and then three days during the week as opposed to I don't think you make them work Sunday. I don't agree with that at all. Well, Saturday, sorry. Yeah, maybe rotate a Saturday here and there. for one month. I mean, most stuff happens
only and it's a half a day. You don't need to spend the whole day driving around. You and I both know you can drive this town in about So, we can take off two Mondays a month and work two Saturdays. Yeah. Well, let's Yeah. I don't want to go too far down rabbit hole. It's time to start code enforcement back up. So,
if you guys could figure out the best way to That's all I wanted to get out there and I want to start I I personally if we still have just a little bit of time. Yes. you know, there's a little bit of effort that goes a long way when it comes to the city and maintaining the way things look. You know, asking these
restaurants to clean up their grass when they cut or the people that cut their grass from. So, I'm just a place that's not wellmaintained, it looks bad. Yeah. You know, um and and I think that's an important issue that we need to talk about with the zoning enforcement folks
because it makes a difference. You know, if we're talking about spending all this money on a wayfinder project and picking up the image of the city and all that stuff, we ought to start with our own stuff. Yep. Anything else? Hard. Yeah, just a quick note. Um,
our our roads are they like scheduled to be paved and we have a engineer or a paving company goes and they look at our roads and they recommend these roads need to be paved. I know that sunset for the south end is going to be coming up probably to be paved in a year or two
probably. Well, couple things. First, we have to see how much money we're not allocated in the new budget to continue. Second, um we did a study that rated our all our roadways. Um I can check out Sunset what it was what see what it was
rated at. Um Bay Boulevard, which was just done, was rated at a six out of 20. So that's why we approached New Bay Boulevard. Um, but all depending on how much money we have for the following budget, of course, we'll continue to start our program. But I was talking with with the with our previous city
manager and continuing this conversation with our with our current about doing, you know, now that we have we have paved several roads throughout the city um including Mount Bay Boulevard to reassess and do a new study um to see where our roads, you know, roads stand
today. So, but but all depending on the money on the budget, we can talk about which way we'd approach next. Well, I'd like if it when it comes up have a footnote on Sunset Drive what the cost would be to elevate that road 6 to 12 in in certain areas due to flooding.
Um people drive through there when you get a full full moon and there's salt water on the roads and it damages the cars raising that six or 12 inches in certain areas. We can measure that out now and and and talk to you know I can talk to Ajax just to give us a ballpark
and see what we look at to see but a scope engineer that's going to cost money cost serious money I mean right that's why I'm saying we don't need to do it right away but I have a footnote when it comes up that they look into that as as adding extra layers of
whatever they have to do to elevate that in the lowline areas because that goes a long ways to saving cars undercarriage and escaping out of the flood. Keep the car from getting flooded just that little bit. Bob, what about that dredging material dried out? Could we use that to put down on the
road? But you're going to save it until store it somewhere until they're ready to do that. I don't know if it'd be worth it. It depends on that materials, you know, compacting muck. I don't know how that work. No, muck doesn't work. You have to do they use limestone usually and or or
extra asphalt? I don't know. That's what they would determine. But you know, if you elevate that 12 in, that's the difference between somebody getting out while the road's flooding and not getting out sometimes. Then you have an issue with drainage yards. Well, that's another issue. And I've talked to them about having two uh lift
station, storm drain lift stations over on the south end to pump the water out. Uh but the water's going to be coming in other areas and that new pump they got could help too sometimes. But that's another Yes, that's true. But people trying to get out when the storm's coming
over there. Yeah. That that that little bit can make a big difference with a car. So I just a footnote in the future so I don't forget because I'm older to raise the seaw wall rather than the road. Can we can we not solutionize here? Just
if you want to put something on a gym, I'd be happy to do it. But uh we'll literally be here. I'd like I'd like to make a motion to adjurnn. We're not done yet. Okay. I appreciate the the enthusiasm. Anything else for That's it. Thanks,
Counc I mean Mueller. Yes. Um, first of first of all, July 10th, that's I believe Thursday this week through August 18th are is scallop season. And do we have plans to get the
police force out there and the fire guys? Are they aware this is going to bring a lot of visitors to the city and potential issues? Yes, we had a quarterly meeting with FWC Newport Richie and Pas County Sheriff's Office last week and everybody's on it.
So you guys are on weekends now? We have scheduled for every weekend do season and possibly sometimes during the week too. Perfect. Thank you. Um, we got $4.3 million of appropriations from the state of Florida for three main
items. A fire truck, pipes, and building lift stations. Do we have an action plan to move forward with this in short order? And what's the fuse on this? Do we have to spend it within a certain period of
time? um and cover it within a certain period of time. Well, we haven't got it yet. It probably won't be distributed till October, I guess. Is that We haven't received any any We haven't received like a check for the funds or the guidelines to follow yet. Okay. But I know that if this was going to
happen, we ought to be putting think thinking ahead and trying to get something. We're not doing anything tonight. Well, we we It's after 10, right? We're not doing anything tonight. No, I get that. But we tal we talked about this before. before he's going to have Daryl come in and do a presentation with the water man.
Okay. Um I just want to say that somebody needs to start getting the plan going on that. Um I discussed this with Daryl and he's already formulated projects. Want to concentrate on our the worst area of the
city with galvanized line which is going to be the southwest portion of that has already been discussed. Um, you know, with our issue having um people not wanting to attend our
various other council or committees and and those other meetings. Uh, I'm wondering if we ought to give consideration to providing a stipen for them of maybe $50 a meeting to make maybe make it an incentive to show up
for these meetings. It's something to think about. U possibly even assurance something that will uh encourage them to participate, right? Um, and then I think at the last meeting I
requested a spend level for our capital and I don't see one here at this meeting. Uh, I would like to see one at the next meeting and I would like to see the uh plan to spend what we plan on
spending out of capital that has been sitting there to date. I think we were at what uh 15 or 20% spend on all the capital. Yeah, I know that. Um which we could have been doing a lot
with that just like this pump that we just bought. We should have been buying that at the end of last season rather than now we're halfway in the season. It'll probably be won't here be here till August. Yeah, I think that was addressed last council meeting when they said that a lot of times they kind of
wait to do that towards the end and I was asking for a plan. Yeah, I don't see a plan. So, I'd like to see one by next time if possible. We didn't put a plan together. There was no I mean there was no spending other than what I mentioned before. It was
very small stuff. So, we do have things in the works right now that that's the plan. That's what I'm talking about. And that that will come, but just we haven't spent anything yet. If there's a plan for it, I can give you that. I mean, we're buying this thing right here, but like we have POS that actually we're putting together this
week. So, yeah, we'll get something for you. Thank you. That's it. Okay. Okay. Real quick, I'm not going to belabor too many of these, but um the next CRA meeting, I don't know if we've got one scheduled for next meeting or not, but uh there's a couple things I wanted to talk about on it is we mentioned about the tree removal
during floods. If we some we could add CR and grant money to be able to help move trees. remember we had that conversation. I don't know if you looked into that or not, but um to help, you know, the dead trees from the thing if they were able to remove those. I don't know if that's something we can do in that grant program, but I'd like to
entertain that to prevent that one individual that spent a lot of his own money without any help from the city. You it doesn't fit now and you talk about reworking. If we could add that to the grant proc I can't remember when that happened, but
I'll talk to him about it. Um it's a guy who did good works but now wants to be paid for. Well, no, it was fix it for the future so that it's an option later on. The grant program that we have I'll talk about. All right. I'm not um he's right for um and then I think our another thing along
the CRA grant stuff is uh we we don't have the ability to help mobile homes unless they own the lot. I think you have to own the lot and the structure. So, if we can look at that and see if it's something we can if you know where they own the lot or not, maybe provide some assistance through the CRA grant to
beautify those places and fix them. Um, would that be helping the the trailer owner or the land owner? That's a problem you're going to have. That is going to be a problem. That's a problem. Well, let's think about that.
I don't want the because at that point it becomes commercial. You're right. I Okay, right. I just want to listen. He's just putting my to-do list. This is all just talking to something we can look at talk about in the future. Um
I had a I had a somewhat nasty message about red light cameras. I uh that um would you get one? Yeah, I won't share that. It's a good one. Um it ended with me being overthrown by the way. So
yeah, overthrown was in a quote. But um I asked I asked Andy to put together a list from the last five years of what what our cost um or what what we take in how many tickets we actually put out per year, what we take in revenue-wise and
where that goes. You know, I think a third goes to us, third goes to the the the operator and a third goes to the state or whatever. So just get a better picture of what we're actually gaining from that. And obviously I don't like any kind of automated ticketing system. never have. Um, and a lot of people
don't either. And it's it's probably a question whether they're legal or not. I know they're trying to do away with them. They have done away with them a lot of other places in the state. And of course, question was, hey, why is why is poor Richie do Richie and some are still doing that? And so obviously, um, we need to probably look at that and see if
we can start to decouple ourselves from that. Um, but I wouldn't kind of look at that. I thought it was a state. It's just happens, but it's I thought it was state driven. Well, one one thing I think you brought up that we're maybe getting $400,000.
Yeah. So, at some point maybe, you know, and if we aren't, I want to look at that holistically. We continue that program or not. Do we do we find another vendor that we get cheaper or whatever? I think we need to take a hard look at that. and then we'll start with looking at the numbers of what we're actually bringing in and see if it's
something we want to continue or not. I think it's worth conversation. Um the I'd like to um talk about and I don't very early steps but uh an amphitheater in Waterfront Park if we could do a couple things just
to give some information reach out to the Florida Trust and see I'm pretty sure that they have properties parks that have amphitheaters in there. So, I don't think it'd be a problem if we wanted to do that. So, if we could just kind of run that by them preliminarily, see, we'd like to look at potentially
putting an amphitheater in there. And then secondly, if we could maybe get the word out to the design or something we can kind of look at because with the Gildogs venue closing, that was a very huge loss for the community. They like to come and watch concerts and we really
would be it would be nice to have something like that in Waterfront Park that we could utilize. And so if we kind of start looking into uh how we do about that, then we could, you know, if we can do it, get kind of a preliminary plan together at some point and then we could look at doing some crowdfunding or
donations to try to help build that or grants or whatever. Um but we got to figure out, you know, let's send a letter to the residents to see if they're okay with it. Send a letter to the residents adjacent to waterfront and see if they're okay with it. Well, we we can put it on an agenda or
something about the interest or whatever. I just some preliminary work. One, can we do it? two. Um, is there any designs out there? Again, about the commissioning go out and and say, "Here's $30,000. Build us a design." That's what I'm talking about. Just a somebody that some kind of free
estimate to say you could do something like this as a high level. Could Could you move could you move the boat stage over from Gild if somebody said that was something they do, then that'd be something obviously entertain.
I I saw at Newport Richie. I saw at Newport Richie their amphitheater. Let me tell you what, it's relatively cheap. It's it's literally like some metal and but it's beautiful. It has some shade and stuff like that. I thought that some just to why why spend
the money? Just go over there and shoot some pictures and ask somebody how much it cost engineers put this out there. Yeah. Just just if if staff in your free time just got to think about that's something I think it's something we probably ought to entertain doing. Yeah, I know you got lots of and everybody loved Gildog so they're not going to complain. They everybody
loved to have guild dogs. But didn't we have a developer that was going to put in an amphitheater and and develop? No, they're going to boardwalk and some other stuff. The amphitheater was part I'm not saying they come with I'm not saying they come with plans. That's but I just want to plant a seed. Just plant a seed.
We don't have to water it and grow it right now. If we get one, can we put one there with the trust? That's the main question. Then we can look at further discussion. Um, I'm going to work with Annie and staff
on the the YouTube site. The um I got some ideas with that, but um it mentioned before, but the organization of that if we could fix that, but I'll work on the side with that. Um, last thing I want to bring up is the Institute for Elected Municipal
Officials training one and two. Um, it's happening in Tampa, the first class in October 10th through the 12th. I know Bob and Dave was signed up for that. So, I would encourage I' I've had both
classes. It's very good to have that training. Um, and so have you guys look at that, see if that works your schedule. It's in Tampa, so you can drive down there. you don't have to spend a night. It's uh 10th to 12th of October. That's the first class. And then at the end of October, you'd go
right into the second class, which is 24th to 26. They never offer that in Tampa. Um it's uh it's in Orlando this time, which is relatively close as well. So, if you guys could look at that, that's also going to be a new budget year um for council training. So, but I encourage you all to look at those those
two classes and and get some training. This is Octo. So the EMO one is uh October 10th to the 12th and EMO 2 is October 24th to 26th and you go out to the Florida League city site and kind of review the agenda and stuff on that. Um obviously it's not
mandatory but it's a good class and it's relatively inexpensive. Um and it it takes you through several different things municipal government to get you good background knowledge. Just want to throw out there because it's going to be close. I'll see the one in Tampa is really you can't
beat that just to do that one at least. I can do the 10th through the 12th. So yeah, take a look at that and then let Andy know if you want to attend that and get signed up. I know you guys were before. And on that same token, Andy, if you wouldn't mind. I believe they paid for that and maybe
you can we see if we got that refunded or if they gave them a credit. I think they were supposed to refund that back. Did we get that just just some point follow make sure they got their fees refunded so we can do that again even last October last October
I think I think Matt put it on his credit card so it would have come back against that credit card I believe just don't check if it got credited I want to make sure we didn't lose that credit and if they didn't we need to get that or give them free class apply the next one so that's all I have
who wants to Dave motion journ I got second. Bob, all in favor sign by saying I. I. Yes.