that the stuff that's coming up with the CRA, the budget, the meetings, and the hearing minutes. We just thank you that uh with the CRA resident grant programs that we're moving in the right direction. So, just bless us with wisdom
and guide us and for everything we do. We work as a team for the better for the city in Jesus name. Amen. To the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Madam clerk, have roll please. >> Chairman John Eric Cooper >> here. >> Vice Chairman Chris Mayer >> here. >> Member Robert Hubard >> here. Member Lisa Burke >> here. >> Member Christine Sullivan
>> here. City attorney Nancy Meyer >> here. >> City Manager Andrew Butterfield >> here. >> Thank you. Okay. First up, we got three sets of board minutes. I'll uh do each individually. So, looking for a motion to approve the September 4th, 2025 CRA budget hearing minutes.
>> Second. >> Motion second. Any further discussion? >> All in favor signify by saying I. >> I oppose. Motion carries. Next up, I need a motion to approve the September 9th, 2025 CR meeting minutes. >> Motion to approve the September 9th,
2025 CR. >> Okay. Motion second. Any further discussion? All in favor signify by saying I. >> I. Opposed. Motion carries. And finally, a motion to approve the September 18th, 2025 CRA budget hearing minutes.
>> Motion to approve. >> Go ahead. >> You started. Go ahead. >> Okay. Go ahead. Um motion to approve the 918 2025 CRA budget hearing minutes. >> Second motion second. Any further discussion? All in favor signify by
saying I. >> I opposed. Motion carries. Okay. Next up is comments from the general public. I have one signed up. Danny Fields. Welcome. Name's Danny Fields. My address is 8114 Leo Kid. Again, I just want to thank you
for your service and the great work we're doing in the city. Uh we've had events. I I want to commend uh the chief of police here for doing that runaway over here with the dog place. Uh we had a great turnout. I was there. I enjoyed
it. Family members there, a lot of people, good feedback. So, these are the things that continue to get us recognized as a city and events that we are bringing and other things. Yes. Go ahead. >> Place all the dogs >> and get dogs.
>> No, I My question was, did they place all the dogs? >> Uh, you'll have to ask the chief. He got more of that in from >> 13 adoptions. Awesome. Great job. >> Yes. >> Did you take one of them? >> Yeah. He's trying to get me to adopt
one. And they tried to get me to to be that guy to where the dog uh uh the police dog gets the bad guy. I wasn't going to do it. >> That would have been great. to uh what I wanted to talk about as well is Fall Fest. We're having that at Waterfront
Park. Uh and that's where we're going to be giving candy away. I do have flyers. I've done give some out. So, I'll just announce it. Fall Fest at November the 1st from 11 to 1 at Waterfront Park, 8119 OPOS Road. We're going to have
food, fun, and games. We're going to have carving pumpkins. We're going to give uh candy away. I'm assuming the police and the fire department will be there to help uh support that as well and be a participating in that as we're going to have uh Christian motorcycle uh
people there cooking for us and for the community and it's a free event and we'll have popcorn and chips and all that face painting, pumpkin carving. I could go on and on with the great things we're doing. We're expecting maybe three to 400 people to show up at that and uh
you're all invited. bring your family and have some fun. Thank you. >> Yeah, that's 11:11 from 11 to 1. >> Yeah, it's November the 1st from 11 to 100 p.m. at Waterfront Park. >> Did you plan it that way or just
>> uh we actually had it right before the Saturday before, but somebody cares and you know I'm a little lower on the in that uh meeting and they said, "Well, we going to switch it to November the 1st." I wanted to keep it where it's at. But like the panel, sometimes your vote
don't count on that and they override me. So there we go. I I pulled a Dave Mueller on them. >> I appreciate David. That's good. Anyone else? Show hands. >> Okay. See, I bring it back to council
and comments from the city manager. Pass to Mr. Buffett for his comments. >> I'm looking forward to uh to this as much as you. uh the highlight I think will be a briefing from Derek on our CRA funds and uh we hopefully the council the board will be able to uh help us
nail down some uh some numbers and priorities uh so that the staff can move forward with us. >> Okay, next up is comments from the board. U do we uh is that I thought we
did it for council. Did we not do it for CRA? >> I don't believe so. No. Um if we probably should go ahead and keep that consistent so that falls at the end as well just in case we have any presentations or whatever. I know we don't normally have comments but is there any objection to moving at the end of the agenda like our council.
>> Okay, but I'll go ahead and go with it now. So uh I start to my left with member Burke. >> Yes, not at this time. >> Vice chair mayor. >> Not at this time. >> Member Hubbert. >> Not yet. Member >> something? Not yet. >> Okay. I have nothing as well.
Moving right along to our agenda in board business item number two, discussion on branding and wayfinding concepts. I'll pass that to Mr. Butterfield for introduction. >> Yes. Uh Mr. Chair, the uh you guys have had an initial update. We first approved the uh the spending and we got some
initial inputs in. I think we showed them to everybody at the last CRA meeting and I'll ask S if he has any update on where we are in the process. Yes. So do >> you have a presentation as well or >> we're gonna have uh representatives from
KMA who are working on our branding and wayfinding plan uh with us today. And so basically in your packet are all the concepts um that we started with. We also have shown like what we've we've come down as um we had an internal
committee composed of myself, the city manager, um Councilwoman Sullivan, um Derek Smith, our CRA resiliency coordinator, and Veronica Hansen. She we all sat and came down with a breakdown of our top four, but we want we want the
board to look at look over everything and see if they have any other pointers before moving forward. And uh >> good afternoon everybody. This is Mike with KMA. I'm vice president and the creative director. Very nice. Made your acquaintance acquaintance virtually.
>> Welcome. Thanks for coming. >> Did you all have a presentation or >> No, they don't have a presentation. Basically, we have the concepts that are in your packet. Okay. >> Uh for you questions. >> Yeah. They're just they're here for questions or um you know basically they're trying to gather everyone's um
input so then we can um we can move forward with um the final four top four concepts which will go out for public opinion and um and public opinion and workshops and then we can eventually get down to our final uh our final concept.
>> Um >> I I do have um PDF file that you're looking at that I can share if you'd like me to. Uh, I I could share it here. I just I wasn't sure if you guys were just here for questions or presentations. I'd go ahead and share for everybody, you know, coming online.
Um, give me just a second. >> S, what was the um what was the consensus on the welcome to the shore and more? >> That's just an idea. Um, it's it's just a it's just an idea that that was put out there. Nothing is for certain here.
there's nothing like set in stone. Please provide any input. Um, if we don't like that slogan, we're definitely going to reach out later on to see what the general consensus on, you know, on on a different type of branding slogan would be, but that was just a concept.
It's just all everything is everything is a concept at this point. Okay. >> So, I'd like to say we made some edits based upon the notes in this presentation. Would you like me to share my screen? >> Sure. Let me stop.
>> You have to make him a co-host. All right. [Music] >> I take it we have a spelling error on page 28 on the logo. >> Yeah. are able to heat off. I saw that too.
>> You all see this screen? >> Yep. >> Is my screen share working? >> Yep. So based upon the previous feedback we had some talking about welcome to the shore more
versus little city by the river. So the last that last presentation you had pulled up these edits are reflective of the comments on there. thoughts on >> please let me know when you'd like me to move forward if we want to look at
everything and then go back and have a discussion. >> Yeah, why don't you go ahead and go go through them all and then we'll we'll go back and go through them individually. >> All right, perfect. >> Okay, >> we'll call this option two today.
This would be option three and then option four. Now to note these are the these are the designs with feedback from the city and our committee from the original concepts KMA design
created. So we'd like to look at the last four that I presented. Then we have some options that were shown to us that were AI generated and then we can have that discussion or would you like to go through all? >> Go ahead. Go ahead. Just show us all
your all your photos. >> Perfect. So these are the ones that were sent to us. And now we're finalizing back. We'll start at the beginning and then let's um let's have an open talk about these. >> So
in general um you know we have I saw the the ones below that had our gateway the golf um which is kind of what we're using now on our website and all that and we've got the little city by the river. There's been those two s I don't know the history behind those. Did it used to be little city by the river then
it changed our gateway to the golf? >> Yes. both of them have gone like hand in hand throughout the years. Um we have we have equal points on both of them. You know, a little city by the river. Um there's some there's some signage or um
probably some older type of uh stationery or you know letterhead that has that. Um and then gateway to the Gulf. I believe our gateway to the Gulf um was later on. I would want to say when we um
I want to say like in like the early 2000s we've had we had uh not the CAC but we had different committees meet on that and and pitch that but nothing's official like in the code or nothing like that. So they're they're just they're just slogans and ideas that are
passed around um that have you know that have been used over the years. >> So nothing official. So, to me, Little City by the River is is is cute, but I I prefer our our gateway to the golf. >> I do, too. >> Opposed to the Little City by the River.
>> Um, >> the only place I've seen that is on the br on the sign on the bridge, >> right? Yeah. >> It's okay. But I like Gateway to the Golf, too, because that that's what we have that nobody else has. >> Right. So, I that'd be my suggestion is that and obviously that's just a just a
phrase change in there. Um, as far as the this particular logo itself, um, it looked like it from what it was before with the the lighter color and the the different color with with that if we change that to our gateway to the golf
looks pretty good. >> I like that one. >> Yeah, this one here. >> How easily is this produced for color? Like if you got Would it would it go on here? >> Yeah, it's it's pretty simple really. >> Is it? There aren't that many colors.
>> Blue and yellow and gold. >> That would be easy. >> Yeah. If you had a blue shirt, >> I can speak freely on the issue of color. Most printers now are going to digital format which is CMYK
and it's a laser print. It's inexpensive. They're not running, you know, one, two, or three color. So, I don't think color really should be a factor when we're looking at brand change overall. for the entire marketing campaign for
the city because digital is now the new forefront opposed to the um the ink and the color matching and all of that for the last 15 years or so. Is there any way is there any way
instead >> she slapped my hand one time? >> She did. You did. You know you did. He learns >> this this thing I'm looking at on page 26. I like the concept. I like the concept on the screen. I don't know if I like
the yellowish moon. >> We don't have KMA does not have visibility of that. >> You don't. >> No, let me um So, you're talking our packet. >> Let me stop my share, please. >> Okay. >> If if you don't mind sharing.
>> Yep. Let me get there. 26, you say? Yeah, >> I mean set. >> Well, actually that was >> that was on his something similar than I thought. Let me share mine. >> That wasn't bad at all. That one >> that he just had up there.
>> Do we have that one? >> No, because he redid it with a different color. >> Well, here's something similar right there. >> Yeah, but there is the sunset doesn't have the yellow in it. >> Okay. Here's what you're looking at,
Chris. Yeah. Yeah. Is that what I was looking at? >> This page 26. >> Okay. Um, well, let's let's move forward to 29. Can we do that? >> Yep. >> Do whatever you like. 29 that there.
>> I don't know that I like city. We don't because people get confused, right? Port Richie, new city, Port Richie, New Richie. We should just be Port Rich Fitchy and they should be Newport Rich. >> Well, so that's actually is the incorporated city. Port Richie is >> our logo to say that. No, we don't need
our logo to say it, do we? >> No, it does not, but it doesn't have to say it. >> Well, well, no, it doesn't. But if you if you if you don't have city in there, you're talking about the broader Port Richie, which is not incorporated. The city of Port Richie is distinct from Port Richie.
Port Richie is Pasco County, >> but there is no Port Richie because nobody claims that or has a logo for it or mailing address mailing address. >> It has a mailing address. >> Port Richie is mailing address is way beyond our city limits. >> It's Port Richie County.
>> It's incorporated city. >> Well, I mean, then you have all these other logos in here that don't say city. I'm just saying I don't like I don't like when you put city in there. I get >> just my >> I don't say the big deal in people noticing that but to me either way
>> I just think if we're going to go on the map the less is better and more is better. >> Rich is the important part. >> Yeah rich is the important part. >> That's true. >> Yeah. >> Mr. Martin's letter emphasized simplicity is is key. >> That's what I was saying. Keep adding all that stuff. If anything, you just
put world famous waterfront, Port Richie and Vegas, something like that, >> and advertise the the crown jewels, the waterfront. I mean, what we what we really have is we have waterfront, right? We have palm trees, which is
awesome, you know, we have these birds, which is awesome, you know, we have sunsets that are phenomenal. Our sunsets are world class sunsets. So we if we had some variation what I was talking about that one picture I mean this this looks like a yellow backdrop you know and I
was thinking we could get a little bit if what he's telling me is realistic you know we could truly get a little bit of variation in color to really show what our sunsets are cuz our sunsets take your breath away. >> I really like these pelicans. >> I like the pelicans a lot. Well, like I
like 10 option 10 is nice. >> Oh, no. >> We have in our packet. >> The ones that you have in your >> 17. >> The ones that you have in your packet are all the original concepts >> logo seven. Yeah, I like I like those pelicans.
>> And then the the ones that the ones that Michaelels are presenting are our notes in the upper leftand corner and he incorporated those. >> Yeah. The tagline. >> They had different font to it. >> Yes. unincluded. Vice Mayor mayor, one moment, s I'm
sorry to interject here. Um, I don't know if everybody's pretty to the brand package that I sent to you a while back about a strong brand being very simplistic. So I understand all of the communication
happening here, but what I what I would like to propose is a strong brand is a very simple brand. Something that can be utilized in a myriad of formats. So we can stack, we can make it horizontal.
This is not going to be the end all be all, but a building point, a building block if you will, of what the brand can be as we move forward. So if there's an identity that the community is kind of
gravitate gravitating towards, we will build on that. I think this would be the initial blush that yes, this this mark strikes me and we like it, right? Whichever way we go, no
matter which one, I think that's that's the key point we're trying to drive home right now. Of course, there's going to be subtle nuances we can manipulate. Uh, but what what is the one that everybody is gravitating toward?
>> I'm going to say like 29 less the city. Take the city out of it. The city of, take that out of it. Port Richie, gateway to the Gulf. Um, and then stilt houses. I mean, we're known for that. you get out here and look out there and that you see those things whether you're driving to the sandbar whether you're
looking at it from the waterfront we wherever you are you see those stilled houses those that's what we're known for >> I like the more colors in the sunset from the other one and I don't like these birds >> those are not our well those birds are out there but they're not the >> they're not the pelicans which are what
we voted for >> I think I think they should put a dolphin on there myself we got a lot of dolphins in the river >> but we also voted on the city voted on the Pelicans. So, >> okay. So, I I I pulled up Newport Richie
just for comparison to see if they had the city in theirs and they do say the city of Newport Richie, Florida. Um again, but very simple design. I'm not sure when they went to this opposite other one, but um >> but I'm telling you, everybody knows that's Newport Richie.
>> Most people not one person I know the city of Newport. We actually have Newport Richie addresses in the city of Port Richie, >> but a lot of people call it Newport. They don't even call it Richie. They a lot of people call it Newport. >> So, and I'm I'm in agreement. Simple is is better.
>> We're branding right now. Yeah. Exactly. >> Right. But you don't want to you don't want to underbrand what you actually are too and get confused. And we already have that confusion anyway. >> Let's use let's use Snap-On just for an example because I'm a car guy. Okay.
Snap-on. You could say wrenches, ratchets, you could take pictures of screwdrivers, you could put, you know, all that stuff. It's just snap on. So, we're trying to get to that simplicity right now. >> Tools branding. >> We're trying to get >> and we're branding cities. >> I I No, I get it. I'm just using that as
an example, Eric. That's all. >> And that's an action. >> I don't I don't know that having city of in there takes away from it. And you can make it So it's not I mean that when you looked at his it was
>> well that the one he showed didn't have that but let me go back to the was it 29 the city of is is smaller font and you can even maybe even take it down a notch from there >> I think is saying that it we're just
trying to get to a consensus on. >> Right. Right. >> You know, then we can switch. >> So, if we do that, >> let's let's pull the four that he showed. >> Back up. >> I I like I like the other one he showed better than this 129.
>> Can you show yours again, Michael? >> Michael, can you pull up your concepts again? The ones that had the changes in >> I like his better than >> Absolutely. One one moment. >> As far as colors and all, we can tweak those how we want if we kind of sell on a design. I just Yeah, I like the blue hat. I like better. The color
>> that really looks good. >> The Port Richie is not bold enough for me. >> And you see how the city of is just a just a minor detail up top. >> Just a minor erase, Mark. Just take it. I'm I'm strongly disagree with that. >> If you if you do go with the tagline
little city by the river, >> the city of is insinuated. >> Yeah, that in that case you it would be somewhat redundant. double up. >> But yeah, we we've kind of decided to go with our our gateway to the Gulf would be the tagline. >> Okay, which is fine. But even Port
Richie, I mean the the subtle note of the city of Port Richie at the top that that could work. >> I'm not against that. It's small. Yeah. I'd like I'd like to drop the little city. It sounds like I'm we're the little sister to Newport Richie kind of.
>> Yeah. No, I said we changed that to our gateway to the golf. Michael, is there could you could you make a change real quick and show that >> with that tagline? Do you have that ability? >> Should it say should I do the current?
>> Well, again, you're you're kind of you're departing from uh an identity we've had for a long time. Granted, it's you take an hour off of it, right? This, but we're all back doing something new here. We're not let's just ride what everybody else did
for us. And of course, in branding, you don't want to totally necessarily go completely fresh, right? There's there's there's >> there's schools of thought that you want to leave some identity in in your new brand because that's your identity. But again,
there's >> Can I make a suggestion before we we can go back? >> Yeah. Sure. >> So, this this one is a is a is a pretty strong contender. So, let's see. What's your other ones again? >> 29, >> but I want it. Yeah. I want more of a fading color.
>> 29 would be Let me go Let me go down here. So, 29 on your page might be different than mine. Let's see here. Um, would it be this one? Is that your 29? >> Yeah, that's my 29, correct?
>> Yeah. or something similar to the police badge. >> The police badge. >> Yeah, there the police badge is awesome. >> I can't even see the Awesome. >> Yeah. >> So, >> that is >> that's pretty good house.
>> Go back to that first one again. >> They're very similar. >> Yeah, they are. Other than that one has kind of the water on 29 where this one is more of a island like >> look with the palm trees. >> You know something the stone houses are not on islands. They're
>> That's correct. I >> So maybe we can do >> Well, you you could what I what I like the other one better, >> but if we can incorporate this uh horse horizon line similar to this on the other one instead >> and the bird's different
>> and the bird Well, right. Not not I like the the entire first logo. >> Yeah. >> But I agree that little horizon with the the blue water underneath >> I think that adds to it. So if you if you would kind of change that. >> Yes. That bonding with that. >> I agree. We'll marry the two.
>> Yeah. >> Instead of the island rocky vibe, we'll do a wave. >> Yeah. >> To imply that it's within the water and it will look >> Yeah. And I really like the layout of this. I kind of like option 10, but put
a palm tree in it and you It's kind of what you're asking for. >> What's 10? >> I like the way it the dark blue and the light blue because that matches 26. >> Kind of what you want. Maybe another bird in a palm tree and that's kind of what you want, doesn't it?
>> Well, I don't like Pasco's gateway to the golf. >> Definitely not. >> No, no, you Yeah, you're not. I'm just saying gateway to the golf and eliminate the city of. Actually, instead of city of, you should have visit. I think that wave takes away from the name we're looking for. It kind of wipes it out.
Too much too much water in the name of the wave. >> Too much water and too the the port Richie fades into the colors on that one. >> So I think you're probably right on Bob. It's probably very similar and I think it is. Um but I think I think
he understands. >> Hey one second if I can make an announcement. So uh it's now six o'clock. Um, we are going to continue into the CRA meeting until it's finished. Our regular scheduled council meeting, it's supposed to be at six o'clock, will happen right after this meeting. So,
>> can I can I quickly if we're going to end time here? >> No, we're just you got plenty of time. >> Those might look on a sign. >> Sure. >> Perfect. So,
this is not set in stone, just an idea of what it could look like. But uh monochromatic background how the logos could look. So if you don't mind if I just scroll through these. So that would be the first option which we like
maybe with a slight modification or two. >> I don't like the yellow on the white so much. I feel like the yellow needs outline but you can't see it as well. >> Yeah. See the property there is kind of washed out. that would that
>> I like the first one actually that that looks good >> that if you if you altered that there to put the city of at the top of the the kind of the sun backdrop and then you made porty bigger
that would be >> you got you got you got a hybrid between that one and the one that's got the pelicans >> yeah go back to the very first one I like a palm tree on the side. I like the pelicans in the sun like that. >> Yeah, that's that's a pretty sun.
>> Like I said, if you if you just added a little wave underneath there, kind of like the other one, I would I wouldn't really get away from this format at all other than change it to put a little water underneath there. >> The wave and gateway to the golf >> and our gateway to the golf. >> Do we want our gateway to the golf or just gateway to the golf?
>> Gateway to the golf. >> Golf. Just gateway. >> I like our gateway. >> Well, you know, if we do gateway to the golf, it's going to cost a little extra. Hold on. Richie, Port Richie is not bold enough here. It's just not an eye catcher. We need to maybe change the
font and bold it up a little bit. I think we need to go with the bolder font for Port Richie. >> Okay, cool. >> Little bit of a wave. We like this format. Wave at the bottom, not the rock format. bold up for Richie and then
maybe we just look at either a deeper bloom or a slightly lighter blue. >> How do how do you all feel about 1925? Because there really is no explanation in there. Is it just assumed that we
understand that we were created in 1925? >> Do we even need that in there? That's my question. >> I don't think you need it. No, >> I think you pull 1925 out of there. >> Yeah. >> Can you do that, Mike? >> Absolutely.
>> Okay. >> I mean, you you lose some information there that >> Yeah, but this is not this is not all that information. This is not a a history lesson. This is a we're trying to get bold on our on our wayfinding project to be able to capture somebody's attention. I want them to know when they
drive across the bridge, hey, we just hit Port Richie. And when they leave on the other side, hey, we just left Port Richie. You don't want them to know that we're over 100 years old. >> Well, >> I mean, I'll be I I don't think that people care 100 years old. They care. Do we have stuff for them to do or we
happen instead, you know, trying to >> Well, sure. >> Does that make sense? >> I don't think we need to put it in our in our logo branding 100-year-old thing. >> That's just me. >> But I'm I'm just one of
one of many. >> Yeah. I mean, >> that's going to cost us less money. >> Take that. >> Can I ask a question? >> No. >> I'm I'm not a huge fan of the word in front of city. Can we delete that and
just use city up? >> Yes, please. >> Need to make it larger. It'll be more prominent, especially with >> I was hoping you'd make it smaller. said, "Yeah, Port Rich." >> Okay. >> Poor Richie need to be bold.
>> Yeah. Pork Richie needs to be We need to be known for >> chunky letters. >> Yeah. Now we're talking. >> Yeah. I don't know if that's if that font is bold or not. I I do like that font. >> I don't like that font at all. >> Oh, you don't like it? I didn't like >> I like it, but it's >> not for a sign. >> But for a sign, it's not really
>> Well, normally if you bold it, it might be a little bit different. I mean, I kind of like the >> and again to reiterate, this is not the final. So, we'll have a stack format, a horizontal format, we'll have breakout logos. So, as we develop
the brand, it's just the overall intent. That's kind of what we're looking for right now. And then we can then modify all the the little elements with it. >> How Let me let me take us somewhere we're probably not thinking. How hard is that for us to put an American flag on
side of that thing? >> No, >> not red, white, and blue. Just in the in this in the shape, you know, where you're not changing colors or adding colors. You're just >> I mean, just put a flag banner there. >> No, I I guess stripes behind the sun, maybe. >> No, no, I did not. Look at Look at the
logo on the city of Port Richie 100year celebration. >> Yeah, that's those are those that's a flag painted on there. Red, white, and blue. Yeah, but but can we can we somehow with just taking out the blue and just putting it making it somehow a backdrop of a flag there just on the
portion of the house there on the side? >> No, without the colors. >> I'm just trying to get us to think. That's all. >> Well, how you wouldn't know it's American flag color? >> I got I got one on my belt buckle. I'll show you real quick. There's no colors in at all. And you know it's American
flag. See it? There it is. See it? >> It looks like >> there's no red, white, and blue in that at all. >> Like a silver belt. >> It's part of our >> black over black. So we can extrapulate all the
colors out of this and make it in all of the formats necessary for a full. We're just looking what what style are we gravitating toward, right? >> Yeah. I need to keep it simple. People are driving by looking at it. I like
that style. I mean, that's >> I like the style, too. >> Yeah, I do. >> Yeah, it looks really >> city of could just eliminate the the city of and and the >> I like it. I I like it. I like city of >> Gateway. Should be the city on the
river, not by the river. Maybe. I thought we were going with gateway. Gateway to the golf. >> Gateway to the golf. >> Gateway golf. All right. Gateway to golf. >> City of and then Big Port Richie and then Gateway to the Golf. It's just real simple. And >> you're going to put like a wave >> and the wave
>> the still house instead. Okay. Yeah, that would be great. >> I like that sun. >> I mean, do do yourselves a favor. Look at the logo on the back wall there. I mean, I think we can all agree no matter which one is an upgrade. >> Hey, Mike. This this
>> up on you now, >> Mike. >> Hey. >> Yes, sir. The house the house that's on page 29, which is the one that that it's got more definition on the roof. It's got a little overhang on one side showing it's more of a defined house. It looks more like what we're looking for
for >> Yeah, I do like that steel house better. >> That st house is better. So, if you take that st house instead of the what we got on there is the dumb down version AI created. And I don't like that. I like the ones on this one here that's got the whole >> Are you able Are you able to share page 29? >> Can you share that page?
>> Give me just a second. >> I could I could >> I have this up right there. That house is the one we want right there. >> Okay. There's no problem. >> Yeah, that house >> that house with the other logo with waves on it. >> Yeah, you can actually use this house
and and the and the water below it. You could use all this except you have to change out the birds, right? Well, no. The palm tree >> thing is reversed. Yeah, you can reverse it though. You can reverse all that stuff. >> The sun is better. >> What if What if on the one we like, if
you go back to that and at the bottom where it says whatever it says now, it's in yellow. I noticed on those signs it didn't show real well. What if the one thing we took from our old logo was the red and did that for gateway to the golf and city of
instead of yellow. >> We could certainly change the colors of the sun >> because I on the signs you couldn't >> add deep red at the base and then >> use the red instead of >> red lettering is never real good. It's it's it um
>> especially I think at a distance red >> look at this fades together. >> Look right there. Look at how nice that's like. >> I know, but when it was yellow, you couldn't see it all. >> That's what I'm saying. Maybe we just keep it all like Port Richie or it >> you could take that little city with
>> and make it because it it kind of it's taking color from the sun. If you take it from the darker orange, which it may already be the darkest orange. I mean, it looks washed out there. On my screen, it doesn't look that washed out. But >> that was the only thing I saw that you
couldn't read it. You want to be darker, the darkest orange of the sun. And you could probably darken the sun up to so it matched. Red would not be good though. It was >> We're going with a different font. Anyway,
>> is remove the extra two pelicans because it's such a broad bird. I would only have one and maybe the right tip of the wing breaks the plane of the sun. That's the only thing I would suggest.
>> I like three. >> That came through with some edits that we had. >> I have to stay. I do like the three. >> Yeah, they're always together. I like three. I don't like one. >> You could do one pelican towing a banner
that says 1925. >> Sorry. Sorry. I was going to say something. I'm gonna hold it. I'm gonna hold it. >> It's much appreciated. What I'm going to do is go back to the drawing board. I'm going to beef up these fonts. We'll
change the tagline. We'll add a little deeper red. We'll move 1925. Keep the city up. And then maybe I'll do a couple versions with the pelican within the palm tree just kind of floating around. And then we can select
that. >> City of not the city >> and water on the bottom >> and change the houses out. >> We're going back. >> You said city of not the you reverted back. >> Yeah. City of >> Well, you had made the recommendation we go city of. I like that.
>> Yeah. >> Well, I that was just asking the consensus. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I like that. >> I think we all can sense. >> All right. So, city.com and a bolder font mic on Port Reggie.
>> Okay, just to reiterate, it's city of or city of >> remove remove the >> I can build that into the sunset as well. >> So it's not just a random thought at the top.
text messages. >> I don't know if I want it in in the sun or not. I think put it leave it where it's at. I think looks good. >> You get too much in the sun, it takes away from the birds and >> Right. >> I kind of like it up top, too. >> Yeah. Yeah. City up.
>> City up. Or even if you weren't going to put it there, put it right under the house, right above poor. But I like it at the top. >> Yeah. >> I think you you tweaked this >> a lot of room to to work right here. >> Yeah. >> Is that the house we want or we're going
we're going to house >> the front porch and over on the roof. >> Like 29. Correct. Like 29. Perfect. >> But see how this palm tree is in line with the sun. It's real clean. The other one had it was there had some sun on the side of it. I really like this
>> palm that palm tree is better than the other palm tree. Anyway, >> yeah, this palm tree. Yeah, the leaves it's and on being on the left and I mean it's this is a perfect fit. >> Switch out the house and those tweaks I think is going to look great. >> I'm sorry. I'm not sure who's speaking
right now, but I completely agree. As you're as we read, you read left to right, so it anchors the entire brain, and that's what drives your eye down to >> Yeah. >> Yes, it does. >> Okay.
>> All right. So, we nailed it. What's the next step? >> Uh, he's going to go back and then I guess do a twig and bring some stuff back to us. >> Okay. Cool. >> Great. That was easier than I thought it'd be. Yeah. So from now KMA will be tasked with doing a
few modifications of this what we have on the screen. We'll make some bold fonts, maybe a different font version and then we'll use u the other child and we're good to go.
>> Okay. Yeah. I'm going to if you could stay on mic. I'm going to open up public comment real quick to see if anybody wants to comment on these. Any public comment? Oh, good. >> Welcome. >> Linda Rodriguez, 5917 Lantern Court. I like what you're doing. I would make all the lettering the same color,
>> not the yellow. I agree with that because you can't see the yellow. >> I agree. >> It looks good. It looks real good. Good job. >> Anybody else? >> Thank you. >> Thanks. Okay, I guess that's a wrap on that.
>> Congratulations. Uh let me >> thanks to the committee for narrowing this down. >> Okay. Next up is item number three CRA 5-year programs and capital improvement plan. I'll pass that to Mr. Butterfield for introduction.
>> Yes, sir. Mr. Chair, this is uh we're asking the CRA board to review and uh make edits to the CRA programs and capital improvement five-year plan, the CIP plan. And I've got Derek Smith here to run us through some slides that were in your packet, but we're going from uh
visual arts to math and public. So, pay close attention, Derek. Well, as the uh board is aware, the city council voted to add a few items from the uh general fund over to CRA and
doing so, we added it to the list of other projects and programs that CRA board had already discussed. We're the CRA required to uh vote these in as part of the plan requirements for your CRA plan. So, what we're asking is that you
review the titles, the descriptions, and the attachments to the goals. We understand that the the costs are going to vary as we continue through the conceptual design, especially for the parks, but that those things will be moved around as we understand those
costs and and get a better handle on those. I also wanted to introduce the template for you, the template that I think we'll be using moving forward. So, as we get updates, we'll use the same template, but you'll see that uh we'll make edits and bring it back to the board as needed. But for today, I'm
looking for uh an approval of the list so that we can get direction on moving these projects forward. >> What page are you on, Derek? Can you walk us through this library? >> Fifth graders, please. Right. So I did a small presentation on PowerPoint
starting on I believe 33 should be the title page. >> Yep. >> Y >> and I wanted to show you know there's this number $5 million that comes up quite a bit in conversation when it comes to doing CFD projects and I wanted to show that that's just not the case
because we have other obligations right so we have our operating expenses and what I did is I took your budgeting lines and grouped them together. So, group them into per uh personnel, operating expenses, professional services, and then of course you have your five-year programs. So, your grant
programs and your summon demolition. And so, when we take those into account, we really have we don't have $5 million for your CIP. And so the idea is that as we are discussing these projects, different projects come up and as we work through this five-year plan that we understand
kind of the interaction between your revenue, your two fixed expenses and of course the CIP. On the back end, I have set up tables, Excel tables that do a feedback loop on each other. So as we do adjust things, you can see what the
adjustment does long term. Can you can you talk a little bit more in detail about the personnel line? >> Right. So I took now the the first line is what you approved on your budget for this year and so I took all the lines
that dealt with personnel and that included the city attorney and group them together. So that's also uh your salaries, your benefits and name but that group them together and just total amount for that particular buck there. It it seemed somewhat high
a line item on that stuff just like this this person that person,000 you're obviously you're majority paid out of there I believe right so that's where the attorney has certain percentage >> and so I did a I looked at the actuals too so I did I looked back at the actuals
>> and for I looked at what's the greatest cost to the CRA it's personnel rate and so if you take the fouryear prior actuals and and If you average out the increases, it ends up being about 8% increase per year for personnel cost. >> Okay. >> So that's pretty accurate number then.
>> Yes. >> Okay. Those numbers are lined out in the budget that you >> and that is what we're using. >> Ashley, I heard you. >> That's what we're using to task the remainder of our staff to
handle CRA. And that's where you've you've allotted that amount of of expense to their to their uh payroll. Correct. >> Adam did. What I did is I just had to group it so it's a little bit more understandable when we talk about these different types of costs. What I did is
moving forward I factored in a 3% increase on those personnel costs figuring that's about average. And so with those tables that factors into 3%. Now, your your revenue, your CRA plan says that your revenue should average about two and a half percent increase per year. You've actually been averaging
about 5%, but when you factor in the 5% increase and your 8% increase, you you still have a little bit of a gap. I don't know if David was sitting here right now. He's mentioned this before about having line item.
You know exactly what are the who are the who's the personnel >> in your exact >> your budget that you approved is lie on them out >> exactly and so to make that easier to read I grouped those they're called groups in the in the budget and the
document the group I group them together so you understand your personal total personnel cost >> so anybody whose pay is partially paid by CR >> correction are determined by finance not Okay. And proof of planning services.
That's just like where we get like a survey or designing or anything. >> Correct. Like a Grand Boulevard study that you want to do things like that. Yeah. >> Um I see 1.6 or 1.7 million for waterfront parking
a little bit. >> Those were estimates based on what you had available. you know, you have 1.9 for your property acquisition. So, of course, that into what's available and I expect that we would probably need a
work session to really hash this out right now in order to move forward with kind of working toward those projects. We're just asking that the board approve the titles, the descriptions of the project, and that they agree that how the project ties in with the CRA plan.
the the further down we go in the slides, the more the numbers become placeholders while we look for guidance from the board, >> right? Priorities are things may not come to fruition this year. And so what what will happen is this thing will constantly adjust and shift and you at least look at it once a year at least.
Uh but as we get more information, we've got the conceptual design plan coming probably at the end of the year, we'll have a better idea of what the cost will be with these park rehabs. There was there was one thing in here we had because I we need to address Brashet Park restrooms and what we do at Brashet
Park more long term or whatever that may take some time and planning or whatever but I think we probably need to address the the restrooms there earlier than 27 28 which I'm assuming is where that 60 600,000 >> be next year. >> Yeah. So I mean I think we obviously we
want to we don't want to plop restrooms down there and realize we put them in the wrong place. So, I think we need to have those conversations, but the very first thing we need to do is lock that in of what we're going to do there and then move forward on the restroom facility to get >> Yeah, you can phase out your park improvements, right? As long as, you know, you'll get the plan down and and you're obviously not going to be able to
afford everything each year, but at least you'll know that you'll have your picture and when you can plug that piece in, you know exactly where to put it and you can do it over time as well. So on I mean I think we should probably try to move because you have nothing 2526
>> and I would hope by sometime in 26 that we would possibly be close to having a bathroom facility done over there. >> We could shift that around. I know the the goal is to eventually you know have a work session to really hash these things out especially when we get the concepts back that can be part of the
conversations conceptual design with >> what do you think on that? Would you agree or >> as far as >> I mean we have no bathrooms there? >> No, we need Yeah, we need we need to get the the park figured out. I know we want to have an observation deck which we're working on. We're getting a survey on
it. But then once we get the survey, we can do a lot more. >> But really before you do anything there, you need placeful bathroom. So that's >> you need to figure out the whole concept first. We don't want to say let's put a bathroom over there. We need the whole thing figured out. So, are we doing something about that or
>> Yeah, we I think we I'm just saying for this we wouldn't have any money programmed until 2728. And I think that's that's awesome. >> We need to think about whether you want to have portable bathroom we can move out in case of a storm or permanent bathrooms there. >> I would rather have the the kind of bathroom money if you will in 25 26
right and if we don't get all that planning out we shift it. That's one thing >> and the reality is bathrooms up in the air higher creating an observation deck and bathrooms that are in the air higher. >> Handicap ADA approved. Yeah. >> So we're on page 37 and D.
>> Well, so the idea of that table too is so that we can talk about because we will have to shift things, right? If you want >> first you might have to shift waterfront down a little bit further because the the 19 median that's a grant so that's fixed, right? The intersection was a
project that the city council wanted to shift over. That's 300,000 strategic property acquisitions. I know we've got a bunch of ideas for that. The Miller Bayou Pocket Park, that's actually probably something that's could be done this year ready. We have engineers ready for that. That's that small park across
Mosner. >> That's something else, too. Why 100 grand in there? Because it's going to be a community garden. We perceive that being that much. >> Actually, I've adjusted it since then. So, it's it's going to be fluid as we get more information. We just got the the engineering cost is actually going to be probably 20 to 25,000 actually. So
that went up too. We just got three additional responses in the week. >> Derek, let me ask you this. So we we got money spent on Waterfront Park in 27, right? And then we're pushing out Brasher Park until 28. Is this not like
we can't do both at the same time? Why why are we like, "Oh, we got to do one then the other." We do we really >> we wouldn't have, you know, especially with the strategic property acquisition at one point. Now, we just don't have the the money to do them all. Plus, you know, logistically, you've got to go through engineering design, right? We're doing that, then engineering, get out
the bid, then do your construction. It's going to take some time. And it really it's up to how the board wants to prioritize which part it wants to do first. We then we can adjust the table to show that. >> We haven't spent any money yet on anything. >> And we only have we don't we don't have the five million though because of the
personnel, operation expenses, and your program. So really we don't have 5 million even though that that's been put out there. We >> just chasing saying hey we got 5 million to start spending. We don't have that. >> No because it's it's eaten up before we get to CIP. This is how my table works out too. You got your personal
operations and then you have your programs. Those get taken off that top and then whatever's left is CIP. >> Of all the parks, Nick Park is the one that gets used the most. >> Nick Park gets used the most of any of these parks. >> What happens when we run out of CRA money? Do we run out all these expenses,
too? >> You'll have to shift. Those things will have to shift back over and and you know, the way the CRA is meant to be, it's not supposed to be forever. As you redevelop, you pull pieces of property out of CRA bills, the general fund, general fund gets the money, and then you shift your
>> Ours ends in eight years, by the way. So, >> Derk's got it set up. >> Derk's got it set up. So, the the big fat turkey is the strategic property acquisition was 1.9 million. If we reortion some of that, just lower that number and add it to Brasher and Nicks
for example in this FY and the next FY. >> I think definitely goes to Nicks because that's I mean >> people here use it, people from out of here use it. That's the part that's the park that gets the use. That's the park that has the draw. Not that some of the
other parks people don't go to for different events or things, but Nyx is the drill. So to put no money into it doesn't >> you're talking about the boat ramp. >> Yeah. >> That's all they do is come to Port Richie to go to the boat ramp
>> except people are going out to sand. >> Lots of people. >> Have you not been by Nick? >> Nyx is a boat ramp. >> What was saying they don't they don't come to Port Richie for the boat ramp. They come to the boat ramp because it's
in Port Richie. It's kind of >> Exactly. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. And then they'll go, >> they'll go to the restaurants and things like that. So, >> I want to ask some really obvious questions. Just >> So, we're going to fix that. >> Yeah. So, obvious questions are here. Number one, we have personnel listed. We
don't have any idea what $450,000 has got us, right? >> What what he said was is that's that's a 8% increase from last year of actual expenses, right? How we're how we're parceling out certain staff. Him. So your your actuals last year compared to
what you've approved on your budget, the increase for your personnel is actually 40%. What I did is try to figure out what it potentially could be in five years as I averaged out your actuals and your the what you currently approved on the budget and 8%. It your expenses and
revenue do this a lot of years, >> right? And so trying to average that out and project it. So, >> and I will say too that there's probably been less staff time in CRA stuff happening because there's been nothing happening
other than >> that's my obvious. We're spending 727,000, >> right? But going I think we think going forward there's going to be a lot I don't know >> there's going to be a lot more stuff going on. CRA we talking about parks and improvements and all that. There's probably going to have some more personal costs.
>> Yeah, we got approved for a splash pad over at Waterfront Park. little >> I mean that's a whole part of a bigger picture over there you know um >> well you can't do much there unfortunately >> that's not true you can do a lot there >> like a lot of things there's a lot of
things we can >> well let's not get wrapped around let's not get wrapped around axle on these numbers these can change um I don't we've got a lot of directional discussions to have and and all that gets worked out we could shift this to to match that and I think we need to have those conversations but
>> just just citing the the state statute. Uh the plan has to identify specifically any publicly funded capital projects to be undertaken within the CRA area. So before I spend too much time on this, I just want the board to approve the
titles, the summaries uh and the uh basic yeah titles and summaries so that we can put more time into figuring out the finances like getting grants and things like that. But we need to make sure that you are okay with the list as it is. If you want to add anything right
to the fiveyear capital improvement plan, >> right? Do you want me to tell you everything that I see in 25 26 27 is like, "Yep, let's go do that." Is that what you're asking for? >> Five years out. So, if that's what you're thinking now, those time frames may change based on your decision and
available funds, but yes, >> go ahead. >> The main thing we want to prove is are we on the right track? The nine things we have listed, is that where we want to spend our money? And I think I'm hearing yes. the time frame kind of up here. I'm on page 37, the five-year capital
improvement plan, >> but then the order in which we spend how much each year on each of those nine is is up for for the board to redirect us. But first, we want to make sure >> we can shift all that stuff around >> be reappropriated. >> Really, all we did well, we need to
focus on the types of things down there that you see. >> Are you okay with the left hand side? I'm okay with the lefth hand side >> and and and just to and Adam might help me out on this, but why why we pay some of our salaries with CRA funds is because we're working on CRA approximately that percentage of our
work year. So, we have to pay the general funds. >> Not everybody gets paid out there like I I get paid out there, you get paid out of there. The building official, that's a big part of it percentage out there. Yeah. And that's all capped at uh uh through uh we had a
study done I guess several years ago. So I follow that p that study that tells what percentages gets booked everywhere. So my I get booked in in storm water and utility as well. So it's all based off those >> one thing on that to keep in mind obviously be double darn sure that
whatever is being paid out of there salary wise is supposed to be paid out of >> Yeah. Everything in there is legal too. >> Right. because that was an issue before that we've corrected. So >> bite us in the butt and they'll take it back. Yeah. >> Yeah. I guess the only thing I was saying Derek is it I can see 727 grand
if we're like rocking and rolling. I mean there's like parks going up and things having all stuff but right now with that kind of money going out of there and we've seen not a lot of action on our part. You know that's all that's what the that's what the people are seeing too. You know they're seeing us condemning parks but they haven't seen anything happen yet. So
>> we're starting to up speakers and getting ready to play. So you'll see it. So, anything else on that? >> If you're just asking me to say I like the lefth hand side over here and I don't have to agree with everything on the right, I'm good to go. >> Yeah, we fix all that. >> I'm a vote in. Great job, Derek.
>> Make a motion. >> Tune up the speakers, buddy. Any public comment? See, I need a motion to approve. >> Motion to approve. >> Second. >> Motion second. Any further discussion? All in favor say by saying I.
>> I opposed. Motion carries. Okay. And last up, which is item number four, it's my understanding the CR residential grant program discussion. My understanding that uh that's not ready for prime time. So I'm looking for a motion to table. >> Motion to table. >> Second.
>> Okay. Motion second. Any further discussion? Okay. All in favor sign. Oh, any public comment or not? Okay. All in favor signify by saying I. >> I. Opposed. >> Motion carries. And next up is old business. Item number five, discussion of old business. Old business. Is there
any old business discuss? >> We got old business in the the regular meeting too, don't they? >> Yep. But it's this is old. See reg. >> So we remember we divided them up. So >> is there anything in here you wanted to touch on? No, I got some stuff as far as like I
said, the waterfront park was I got approved for a splash pad and uh we're going to be putting a package together on that I guess and that'll be part of the old business and CRA group I guess as we move on. >> Any any word back on the gr?
>> Yes, we do have on it. Yes, we've been going um coordinating with the city manager, our engineer FDOT, and um the mayor has also been um involved in the communication and emails. Um we were
they they were the FDOT was imposing to do a geo geothermal or geotechnical study um on Grand Boulevard in 19 but that has now been waved uh due to fact that that it's exception swift but we don't have to do any storm water type of
changes to the to the area. So um they had a meeting on that last week that was um they're all on the same page between FDOT and the engineers. So once again, we should be receiving approval any time now. So anytime I get an update, I've been bringing the um the the mayor and
the city manager um up to speed on it. >> Thank you for staying on top of that. I know you've been >> you've been on that for a while. Unfortunately, yeah, it's, you know, when we're dealing with, you know, with a state entity like at F DOT, they, you know, they they they manage all these all these projects throughout the state
and no matter how small or large they are, they want to make sure that when a change is done, it's not going to cause any type of, you know, traffic, you know, traffic issues. And the last thing we want to, you know, the last thing they want is a, you know, is a safety concern that's not been, you know, that's been missed, >> right? >> So, they they are very thorough. They,
you know, they got their eyes and crossed their tees. So they just want to make sure that before they green, you know, they finally get the stamp on this project that there are going to be no issues moving forward because how large this intersection is. >> Yeah. And just no fault of SAS obviously, but there was I think some
slowdown on the other side. So I reached out to to Justin who was District 7 secretary and he followed up on it and stuff started to move and they got things worked out. So it was a little bit of backlog there, but I think we've got it straightened out now. Have we ever thought about the fact that that intersection could completely change in
the near future? >> It's going to completely change with this project. >> You talking about beyond what we're changing to? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. When you start putting in a whole bunch of housing and all this other stuff, that little two-lane strip there, that's not going to work. And even with the turn lane, it's not >> Well, this is the intersection with 19.
There's be housing around it. It's it's on the left hand side. There is the trailer part that there's going to be development. >> This should help any type of development because it's adding a designated turn lane turn >> on both sides. >> So, that's actually going to help
improve any new improve development. >> I'm just wondering I want to make sure and don't get me wrong, I do not want to drag my heels on the golf cart crossing. Okay. But I'm just thinking if we do all this stuff here and then all of a sudden there's a whole another design to be able to get people out of there on the 19.
>> A lot of that goes on. They they they build a road and it's done. They're constantly working on road. >> I just hate to spend our money on that. >> Well, so I so we haven't seen any plans yet. My understanding is is that there's going to be an entrance into that 19 development area
>> somewhere else would be to that. I got you. Okay. >> That would be the main thoroughfare, if you will. >> I got you. Okay. Trying to think >> and see if that project >> gets talked about and whatever. You can take some of those things. Well, we need this for traffic studies and all that
gets >> I was actually thinking that we could probably spend somebody else's money instead of our own. >> Yeah, they're going to they will have to do that. Obviously, may already have. I don't I don't >> unless we drop it first, tear out sidewalks, drop, >> but yeah. And I know that we were as far as adding a lane, we were limited on how much rightway we actually had over there
to be able to do what we needed to do anyway. So let's say we going to add more lanes, we'd be in trouble from a rightway perspective. >> Unless it was the developer that was trying to add more lanes so that they could get the proper give up some of that. >> Yeah. So
>> my my perception was S being humble. Uh he helped them realize we don't need a geotech survey which would have slowed things up all the more. >> Yeah. Yes, that's true. >> Made sure they realized it didn't really apply to us and so he altered it also. >> Yeah.
>> Anything else business? >> Okay. >> Well, the Cody River Landing uh changes over there. A lot of things been discussed up here for like 10 years. You guys talked about it years ago. Sidewalks over there on the landings with curbs and we haven't been
discussing that at all. I think we need to to find out how to budget having two-lane roads. You need to have like uh Treadway needs to be a two-lane road again, as well as Bay View and and Cody and River Golf should all be two-lane
roads. You have curbs and sidewalks over there. And we need to figure out how to put nice lighting like Sims Park or Hide Park. And on those lights, you can have Wi-Fi speakers, can play background music, and the receptacles you can plug in for festival lighting.
>> It's not a real big deal as far lighting, but the curbs and sidewalks, I know, is going to be a bit of an expense, but it's something we're going to have to address. >> So, so yeah. So, and and I can tell I thought you were on maybe when we kind of went through that, but there we had a
bunch of stuff, bunch of money spent towards doing that. there was a plan together to airs engineering put together with light sidewalks and all that parking and whatnot. Um that was kind of before the the developer bought the property and whatnot. And so the the the council's direction at that time was
that uh we step back and not dump $3 million in and do something wrong. Let's see what they end up doing. And then then we would basically bas based on what we needed for the development and anything else as it gets bought up or whatever. I mean, those roads may not be the same roads going forward. I mean,
who knows what happens as that develops, but yes, to your point, there's going to be some infraide as that develops. We're just not sure of what that needs to be based on what's going in there. We don't we don't we don't know yet. >> Okay. So, so we're we're we're on tap with that. We're just kind of waiting to see.
>> Yeah. So, once once once they bring forward plan, we can actually see and what if that gets approved or not, there's no guarantee that what they bring forward will approve. the sun shades at Waterfront Park and we were waiting for a grant on that. Are we still waiting or are we going to >> I think it's part of our park thing. We
were I was understanding we were going to move forward on that and purchase them. I think we talked about that last time, right? >> Well, waterfront park. Are we talking about some more? You want to get into that right now? >> No, no, no, no. He just asked the question. So, yes, we're going to bigger picture. >> I'll we'll we'll discuss that next.
>> Yeah. Okay. So, whatever that plan would include where we're going to put those sun shades. >> Okay. >> All right. >> They're definitely still on the table, but I think we're we're moving past the grant. We're actually going to probably try to do that. >> Okay. >> It's my understanding. >> Anything else? Sold business.
>> Okay. Looking for a motion. >> Motion to adjourn. It's all right. >> Second. >> Motion. Second. All in favor by saying I. >> I. Microphone's off.