May I click roll, please? >> Chairman Johnny Cooper >> here. >> Vice Chairman Chris Mayer >> here. >> Member Robert Hubard >> here. >> Member Lisa Burke >> here. >> Member Christine Sullivan >> here. >> City Attorney Nancy Meyer >> here. City Manager. Oh my goodness. City
Manager Andrew Butterfield >> here. >> Thank you. Okay. First up, we got two sets of board minutes. I need a motion for the May 13, 2025 CRA meeting minutes. >> Motion to approve the May 13 CRA minutes.
>> Okay. Motion second. Any further discussion? All in favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> Opposed? Motion carries. Get another set for June 10th. I need a motion. Motion to approve the June 10th minutes.
Is there a second? >> Second. Okay. Motion second. Any further discussion? All in favor signify by saying I. >> I opposed. Motion carries. Okay. Next up is comments from the general public. I have no signups. I don't think >> no signups. >> And uh by show hands, any public like to
speak? Okay. Seeing that I'll bring it back to comments from the city manager. Pastor Mr. Bfield for his comments. >> Yes sir. CRA meeting. The feature tonight is uh the budget. So, I'd introduce Adam Thompson, our finance director, and uh Derek Smith. And uh Oh,
I'm sorry. >> Yeah. And he's got a Adam's got a slideshow put together on the uh >> Oh, wait. I'm out of order. Sorry. >> You're out of order. >> Just kidding. >> I know the movie.
>> Yeah, I thought you would. Uh anyway, uh where the focus will be on uh there there's money in the CRA. We've got plans to spend and uh partly on real estate and some other projects and the slides show we put together should
illustrate that pretty well. >> Okay. >> It next up is comments from the board. I'll start uh to my left this time with uh Vice Chair Mayor. Um >> I have no comments. Okay. Member Burke. >> I have no comments.
Member Hump. >> No. >> Member Sullivan. >> No. >> Okay. I will have none. Moving on to agenda board business. Item number two, fiscal year 2026 CR budget discussion. I'll pass it to Mr. Butterfield for introduction and then I guess over to you.
>> Yes, sir. As I too early said earlier, uh Mr. Thompson's got an overview of the budget >> for FY26 and the end wrapping up FY25 and
>> Yes. >> Thanks. >> Hello everybody. I'm gonna go as slow as I possibly can for you. I'm a slow talker anyway. >> So this is the uh CR budget meeting today. So we're going to transition this
right into CIP. It's kind of kind of goong go along pretty well. I have Derek here if you have any questions on any of the CIP stuff that I can't answer, but this kind of mirrors last year, so it should be pretty straightforward. Okay. Okay.
FY26. Um, this is kind of small. I do apologize. the CRA fund revenues. Um the city fund is projected to increase from 4.91 million to about 5.34 million in FY26. That's a 9% overall increase. Some
key changes. There's an increase of about 53,970 due to rising taxable values within the CRA district. Um there I did uh decrease about 20,000 I say 18% or decrease in reflecting a conservative
estimates uh for the uh for uh interest and that's because we plan on spending so we won't be collecting as much interest. So I cut that. I'm probably going to cut a little bit more but I think this is kind of a fair estimate based on what we're taking. Um rental property um the 12,000 you're get about
12,600. We've been pretty steady with that. It's been put in a different line. You'll see that a different slide. It's been put in a miscellaneous line instead of the actual revenue line. It's going to be uh we've tried to fix that this year. Um and that's the next line up miscellaneous revenues. They're going they went from zero to because that's
where we're putting the uh the rental income. I don't know why that's where we're um and our transfer from general fund increased to about 49,336. It's about a 7% increase. Part of that is uh we decided to uh take Derek's position who was was paid 100% out of
CRA. We decided to lock him in at only 90% and pay 10% out of the general fund so that he can uh kind of go everywhere. His resiliency can go beyond the borders of the CRA and we pay some um and uh
from uh the reserves there's a decrease of about 458,177. That means we're kind of in line with our growth and our our revenues this year with our spending. So, we didn't have to pull that much from the uh
from our service. Any questions on that? All right. CRA. So, this kind of is just a a comparison of last year FY25 and this year. So, our adm taxes are going to be about 7% increase in adum tax. Um
the interest on the bank accounts have decreased 18 18%. It's just a kind of a run through of the slides before just a breakthrough of last year and this year. Um the 12,600 for the rental income that's going to be in there. Transfer from general fund has increased at 7%.
And our cash balance forward um has stayed the same on that aspect of it. And our reserves have decreased 14%. That's just so you can see it from the perspective of FY25 to FY26. uh we're in a better uh spending habits and things
like that really help us this any question on that uh CR fund expenditure overview um some major categories that we uh are going to see in this personnel service uh it uh it's it's went up about 47% um and
that's with Derek um so before we weren't really paying had a budget we just weren't spending it out of there until he came on about mid this year. So with his full on salary next year, it's going to increase that a little bit. And of course the benefits from the FIA, all that kind of stuff that our region
expenditures, our demolitions, we we decreased from 150, I'm sorry, increased 150 to 200,000 that's up light. I'm talking to Veronica, that was something that she kind of wanted me to add in. So we're going to do that so we can take down the houses need to take down this
year. uh community and commercial CRA grants. Uh they remain steady at 100,000 a piece for the residential and 100,000 for the commercial. Um I know there was talk about you know last year when we said the 100,000 for the commercial but sure if we was going to keep it that way but I would have budgeted it that way.
You don't want to change that. We absolutely can do that. And then the u professional services uh chose a large allocation um but it is actually being down. And so what we did was instead of putting everything into professional services, we kind of line
drawn those out into different lines in the actual budget so they make sense on where they're going, but instead of just saying professional services for uh you know, I'm not sure what we were using that for, but it was a large amount in there. And so we budgeted out what we actually thought in a line item where it needed
to be. Um some significant capital improvement investments this year. Um purchase of land about 1.9 million that's about 500,000 increase. Um, and I put the Bank of America building in there because that's what we were talking about. I think we kind of moved away from that. But this is going to be acquisition for other other pieces of
land in the area that's going to benefit the CRA plan going forward. Parks um there's about 1,79,957 in parks. This year we increase that by 500,000 and that's for Brasher Parks bathroom projects which will be inside
the C CIP going uh later in the slideshow. And then uh road improvements $500,000 and that's for grand and old post codes. And sidewalk construction we put 300,000 that's unchanged from last year which we didn't use any FY25 as well. Um and then the inter fund
allocations there was a slight increase um in several cost allocation it general government etc. totally about 129,768. And that was because when we were looking at it, we weren't uh uh we fixed the uh cost allocation, not cost, yeah, cost allocation, but also the uh
accounting that was supposed to be in there. So, we have some employees that were are supposed to be paid out of CRA or, you know, get some kind of transfer like mine. Mine was not being covered 100% like it was supposed to be and there my percentage. So, we fixed those. So that that actually increased it about
128,768. Any questions on that? No. And then the expenditures here. I just wanted to let you know our you know the 7% increase. You actually see the numbers 5 million 10 5 million 10,317
was budgeted last year. This year we're at $5,336,33. And again, this is just that. It just shows you our net position on this, our our uh revenues versus our expenditures. By law, we're required to have that balance. So, our net position at zero, though, we are within the constraints of
the law when it comes to uh any questions on the actual budget piece. So, so Adam, in regards to the conversations we're going to be having with the developers um
on next week and then obviously whatever comes of that we come back to council to discuss or whatever that's that's not really accounted for in here. >> So, and I have been talking about this, but of course that will have to be we'll have a reality once we figure out what
we're going to do. this this plan is kind of where it's at right now is the budget and then once we have that conversation with that decide what we want to do whether that's liquidate whatever we can actually come back on our next at our first budget hearing I think on the 4th
>> September >> yeah September 4th so once we come back to that we can reallocate those um if we need to and make sure that's associated here >> yeah and so the the lion share obviously So we're show got about 5 million some odd balance,
right? And we're showing it all it's going out the door. Um in in the past obviously that didn't happen because we've got $5 million in here. So um this budget probably being somewhat unique as we've got the land purchases almost 2 million.
I'm trying to get back to that. Uh let's see where's that at? >> I got a question. Go ahead. I'm trying to find this. >> How can a bathroom be $500,000? So those um it's not just a bathroom. Those are park upgrades to rasher. But
one of those big pieces we were going to do >> and actually it's a million79 is what's in there. >> What but there was 500,000 added added for the bathrooms. >> Well, I just put that as just one of those things that important to do this year which was build a bathroom part. We
added 500,000 to the overall parts. That's just not Brancher. That's all the parts in general. >> Oh wow. I thought I thought it was saying 500,000 for our bathroom. >> No, we increased the 500,000 not just for the bathrooms, but I put the bathrooms on there because that's an important piece we need to do this year. Once we tore those down, we really
there's really not a plan or anything going forward. Derek and I have, you know, I've kind of told you since we got here, you know, it's one of those things we fixed. We have quarter potties out there, which I think is unsanitary, cost us money, but we fix it. We need we need to put a bathroom out there. So, it's >> You I agree. I just didn't think we
needed a 500,000. You You were going to love these bathrooms. Well, Hopefully is what we're going. >> You'd have somebody wiping your butt for that much. You'd have them. Yeah, we'd have >> This is right hand and left hand. >> I do.
>> I apologize for any confusion. >> As Adam mentioned it, those are just things we might be doing. Uh the same thing. We listed a a bank property that we might purchase. Other priorities have come to light in the last couple weeks. still land purchases probably around the
same amount but less. So yeah, sorry if any >> used this kind of mirrors last year. The only difference is the increases and decrease that you see on here and like I said the the main part of this you're going to see in the park section where there CIP projects in there again for me when I was doing this one of the biggest
things whether we we reallocate this or not but I think Rashford Park really needs to have that bathroom put in there so they can they can be used and we're not using. So those are those are my important things. Okay. So staff thinks we got to put a bathroom pressure mark. I'm not against that, but you think we would turn into a boat ramp. So I mean,
if we build a bathroom there, it's right in the middle of the boat ramp. We got a problem. >> Well, you you would need a bathroom at the boat ramp, too. >> Well, then we probably need to do a big scope thing. So we're not like right in the middle of the turnaround lane, you know. >> That's kind of why I put the the seed there. Let's look at this and see what we want to do at Brusher Park because we
got to do we got to refurb that playground equipment too as well. So let's >> all that's in the CI. So it looks like we got and so this parks in general we've got million dollars towards parks. We need to figure out how we allocate that parks.
>> I'm cool with that. I just don't want nothing against that. I don't want scout telling us to put a bathroom there and you're thinking we're going to build some kind of boat ramp thing, >> right? >> I mean that's where we all need to be talking together and communicating. >> Either way, we're going to need a bathroom boat ramp or just park >> I get it in the right spot. Yeah. But where it sits, >> where it sits and what
>> we don't have bathroom over at Nick's at the boat ramp, the other boat ramp. >> Absolutely. >> Do we? >> We just redid >> bathrooms there. >> Oh, I didn't even know that. >> They may not be as nice as Brasher. It may not wipe your butt. They do. >> They actually refer those. They really nice. What I see over at Nyx uh is I
would I would like to see multiple docks out as far as we can go for visitors coming into the city and the waterfront can park their dock to visit the businesses there because they get filled up. There's nowhere along this coastline that really has a place for even in
Tarpon Springs you go down. The only place you can dock is sometimes is at uh on the other side of the river at Captain Jacks. place where they can dock and go eat dinner. We can call the docks for sure. >> And I'd also like to see docks for larger vessels with water and power. We
can charge for if they want couple spend the night or a week >> stay night and see Richie there. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> People money come and relax and spend some money there and visit us. >> As the city grows, I think that would be a valuable asset for us to have that and
no one else has that. That would be on top of that. Not saying immediately, but I think it's something we need to look into doing. And we have the money for that. We ever get the money for that. That would be key. I think we can keep that boat ramp. There any key land use
was meant for that boat ramp and you I don't think you can take it out of there, but you can expand the docks any way you want. >> A floating dock, right? Something >> Well, floating docks, >> right? And that's something we could have some dock manufacturers come in and
and drop some We can go over and talk to them. they can drop some lines and we can get some bids on that. But on the on the the the left side of the ramp next to where the casino boat was, I'd like to have a long dock there. So if someone does, like if it's the resident only wants to use that ramp, they can use it
and pull in and out on that side of that ramp and still have plenty of room between there and hooters for multiple docks for multiple boats that are visiting. and we can turn part of that park into a park. >> But to the, you know, to your point, you
know, I'm not telling you put a bathroom anywhere. What I'm saying is if you're going to put any money into the playground equipment or anything else over there, I'm not going to take my kid there and have to go use a port. I mean, I think it's just one of those things. If it needs a bathroom, we took it down. So, we should refurbish it. And, you know, we do have the money to do that.
Why we didn't do it when we took it down? >> I just want a master plan. That's all I'm saying. >> Yeah. No, I think we we're going to be developing that. They're going to put a boat ramp over there. It's a good idea to have one. >> Absolutely. >> I think as Adam and the mayor both alluded to, we didn't spend a lot of CR money this year. We don't want to get in
trouble with the governor for sitting on money that is there to spend. So, we we expect FY26 to be more of a spending year. This was a rebuilding year, if you want to call it that, where and now we've got funds to do some really important things. So expect to see this
time next year a lot more dollars out the door. >> And just just to give you a a precursor, I mentioned about the developer meeting next week or whatever. So they've they've asked for some assistance with uh their development down there.
>> I'm sorry, who who's this? >> Gildog probably eight and a half acres are there. So they they've reached out to us to do some uh uh to fight the financing gap, if you will. Now, there's there's different ways to do that. You got bonds, you got tax rebates, you've got all kind of things. You've got money
in your CRA to help toward that. So, um just keep in mind that in order to get that off the ground, we might need to do something there. I have more details later on once we have these conversations or whatever, but keep in mind that there may be some um some
stuff we need to do to help that project along. >> Oh, what project? The the field dog half acres to to do the what what they're doing. >> Again, that's they're putting that together. I don't either, >> but but so um
>> it's an email, so it's public knowledge, so I'll give you the background email. So, they've been crunching numbers and and whatnot. Again, it's mixeduse commercial development. It's about all I know as far as that, but they're looking at about $80 million project. Um they're expecting about $50 some million dollars
that be evaluated to that. uh um efforts done and they've got uh you know they got investments and and banks get involved to finance the construction and and all that. And there's uh about a $4.7 million
gap there that they want the city to help out with via tax rebates was the first ask. Um, and it they ask um for uh 15 years a 75% tax uh rebate and there's
a lot of working parts around that. That's what they asked for. So, we're going to have a we had an internal conversation. Um, >> so they're going to be collecting rent and they're expecting all the neighbors to pay for all the sewer, water, police, and I I >> I don't want any of you to jump to conclusions on anything. There's a
there's a there's an $80 million project on the table. And there's a $4.7 million assistance that they want the city to help with in some way, shape, or form. Um, and we're having those conversations to to fair it out. >> Who's what? >> The city.
And then once they kind of have the agreement, they would come back to council for yay or nay or till that. Obviously, we we we can't all be involved in those conversations because Sunshine Law and it's not to the point where it's coming to the public meeting, but there's conversations going on about
that. At some point, it's going to come to council to talk about that. So, I'm just making you aware that there may be there may be uh an ask to use some of the CRA money to help that project. That make sense? You guys give me weird
looks. >> Yeah. >> Okay. It's it's it's it's not uncommon for uh a municipality, a county do their because that's what this money is for,
redevelopment. And so that's in the CRA. And so they're asking for some help through our CRA um to make that project happen. They could come to us. we say absolutely not. We're not going to do anything to help this
project and it doesn't happen or it happens you again it's the idea is that at the end of the day based on the preliminary numbers there would be a that eight and a half acres is valued at $1.4 $4 million I think on the tax
roles. It would potentially after they're done be valuated at 50 million which is a huge tax increase. And so there's there's uh there's there's incentive for the city to want that when it develops the property down there. Gives the public these commercial
restaurants, shops, retail, whatever. There's there's a a multif family component of it. Again, I don't have any specific details on those things other than that the over project is going to probably valued around $50 million based on their preliminary numbers and
>> assessed value >> assessed value. This would be an $80 million project. It's real cost that they got. >> I got a lot of questions anyway because they >> we all have all these promises and they haven't done anything. So, >> again, there's a lot of this is a this is a very fluid process. There's a lot
of things that that need conversation uh to kind of come to an agreement and then it comes to where we're going to be as a as a council and a city public comment. But again, there's there's things happening in background. I'm just making aware that there is an ask for some
assistance through our CRA fund. And what that turns out to be, I don't know. >> They need to get out there and mow the grass first. You mean that? They need to make their effort. They need to make their effort on making it better. whatever they ask us to do. >> We're not sure it's the cash they want. They may just want the the 15 years of
tax, but they we're looking at it in all aspects of I mean to for us benefit wise when you're looking at it right now is we give them some liquid cash and then offer them some kind of but it's not a 75% but also we're looking at ways of of
having some kind of equity in it by putting this in there as well. There's a bunch of different things you have to look at like one are we going to keep it in the CRA when it's $80 million? I mean, that's going to be a lot of of extra money for us if we have to contribute to that. Of course, we'll get in the county. There's a lot of other stuff involved in that. Do we take it out of the CRA and we get the adum tax
for it? And what does that look like if we offer them some kind of tax break on that? But really, it's a it's a very movable thing right now. And that's why like with this things right here, we we these are things that we've been moving forward with the parks, all this kind of stuff that we haven't done. I mean, the best way to spend this money is is a
bring building bring you know, business here. If you're building condos, that's people, that's housing, that's water and sewer, that's all these types of things. And we need that, but also we don't want to break ourselves either. So like I don't, you know, obviously I don't think it's a great idea to say we'll give
anybody 75% for 15 years, but how do we make that worthwhile to us so that we a get the problem, get it, and b we benefit from it as well as them benefit from it? But we here like this is just like in the very beginning, but you know, that's what we're talking about with this being a fluid thing. We may have to come back and re reallocate some
of that. If that's a if that's something that you guys you guys on the board of the CRA think that's a great idea. Of course, we wouldn't bring it to you. I I don't think I'd bring it to you without it being some kind of sound investment opportunity for us and for this $2 million because I'm cheap. So like I don't want to give too many dollars out
and I want a bathroom at RE Park like that. But we we are definitely working. It's a great idea. It's a if we can get it worked out right. Um, and again, spending some of this money is a great way to do that. And I think that, you know, this spend $2 million in cash up front, some type of tax liability, I
think we would make money in 25 years still going forward. And that's what we want to make sure we're not, you know, selling our course and our card at the same time. >> And so us, you guys are all fairly new, but you've been involved community. And so originally the project down there to
was to sink about $3 million in roads, lighting, landscaping, all that. You remember that project, right? And so, well, this we don't we don't know what that's going to turn out and what's that's going to be, but we got this project that's going to come forward at some point with actual details. Um, but
they're like I said, they're working through the financing and that was their out of the gate, you know, what do y'all think of this? They they're working with an expert uh that does tax financing. Uh, so that's what their initial ask was. And like Adam said, I don't think they wanted any money fronted. I think
when it's all said and done, they just it's basically us guaranteeing that $4.7 million um through the the reduction of taxes is what the ask was. You know, I don't like this either. Um and and there's there's things that complicate that, but they're asking that and that that would help
shore up that 4.7 million financing gap that they need to make the project happen with, you know, everybody's got stake in the game. Now, there's lots of different ways that we can which we're going to discuss that with them. Um, you know, we can we can provide infrastructure help with infrastructure costs. Um, and and I I'll throw this out
there because one of the things that I'm thinking is that maybe we you talked about a boardwalk along the the water there. Maybe the city actually invests and puts that in. We own that asset. It's for the public and that takes that
out of their cost structure. So, it, you know, we got skin in the game. It's a public amenity, but they don't have to provide it. Um, and that shores up some of that money and >> well that's that's a better way to look at it. >> So
there's impact fees we might be able to reduce to help them out there. There's lots of things we could take out of we could take out a bond that they pay back that were like the guarantee of the bond. Um so there's it's it's a financing thing to make the project happen. So they're asking the city to help out with
>> the problem I have with what what you were saying though is when they originally came to us and a lot of developers come and this stuff is upfront you know they'll say we this is what we're going to do and what we want to do and all we're asking for the city is is like a 40% uh incentive for the
next 10 years or whatever it is. They came with us saying that we're going to this is going to bring a lot of tax revenue to the citizens of the city doing it. >> That was their selling point. >> Exactly. Now they're saying, "But we can't have it." >> No, that's not what you're saying. >> Well, so it was a negotiation starting
point when I got that email. >> Okay. >> At the end, you're going to ask something, right? And so >> and who is negotiate negotiating this on behalf of >> Well, it's it's not really >> negotiation. It's just conversations right now. >> They haven't even really told us what it
>> We got a good negotiator sitting right over there, Chris. >> So So I'm I'm involved in conversations obviously as well as >> I am too. So, but I don't like the approach of no >> tax breaks. >> Yep. >> Well, I think tax breaks, I mean, obviously you don't want to give that away, but tax breaks is what makes I
mean, you don't have Tampa without tax breaks. You don't have Richie without tax breaks. I'm not a fan of giving anything away either, but I mean, you're talking $80 million thing and we've been we've been stagnant for so long that you almost have to at this point. >> Let me let me explain this so you guys understand because that's when this
comes up, we're going to we're going to need to understand how this works. So, the the challenge we have with within the CRA and there's benefits to being a CRA. And so let's just use easy numbers. Let's say that the tax valuation is locked in
right now at 1 million. I don't know how much. So I apologize if I'm going saying something you already know, but back in 2022 or 2002, we locked in values since we created CRA. >> Yes. >> 2002, I think it was.
>> Yeah, 2002, we created CRA. all the valuation of the the properties within the city in the CRA at the time it was everything those values weren't locked but they were locked in from an adalorum uh general fund perspective okay so let's say that the Gildog property that was at
a million dollars so as you redevelop what happens is is let's say that property increases to $2 million somebody buys $2 million increase $2 million so we still get our for this this year 6.35 mills. We get 635 mills
for the million that goes in our general fund. But for the million that the increase is on there, the 635 our portion 95% of that goes into the CRA. The county's 6 point whatever they have or 7 95% of that goes to us into our
CRA. So we're getting the counties all the counties tax on the on the increment of the valuation will be locked in 2002. That being said, when you talk about a $1 million property going to a $50 million property, I'll just give you the numbers. So, at a million dollar, we
take our our millillage at 635,000 >> 1 million times. 0635 is 6350 bucks. Okay. So that's what's coming into our general fund. Now once they finish their project, if it's $50 million, that's a 49 49 million
increment, right? So you take that times 0635, you have additional $311,150 that we have to pay into the CRA because that's above the increment, right? The county, whatever theirs, let's just say
it's the same, they would kick in another 95% of three. So, we're going to have like $600,000 coming into the CRA, but that doesn't help us service that property, right? We just let's say we add a th000 res. Um, we're still getting the same tax
rate that we in our general fund that operates the police and fire and all that based on that locked in value. Our CRA is looking great. All that additional money is going in the CRA. So, we can do a lot of redevelopment stuff, but we're also taking money that
we've got to pay into the CRA. We're getting county money. So, if you look from a tax rebate perspective, um you're rebating money we wouldn't get if we took it out of the CRA and just realized the full amount of that $50 million property. Um
so, you lose the county money. So, if we did do some kind of rebate, we'd be technically rebating money that we wouldn't be having anyway. So that's a you know 75% would be too much but there might be a percentage that we do look at a rebate going forward that might and we keep it to CRA but the problem with
keeping a CRA is all that money is getting concentrated into the CRA and it's not helping us support that property with all the services we got to provide. So you can use that CRA money for other stuff. you can't use the other stuff money to service that >> and and there there as you do that there
are ways to fund some of your general fund expenses out of the CRA there's there's certain things you can do depend you know if we hired an officer that was specifically for that area technically that officer pay come out CRA and I and
I may be exactly correct but there's there's ways to to uh use some of that huge influx of money to help support that property but Again, getting way down in the weeds here, but for just understand that we may need to
think about some way to help get this project off the ground. >> Eric, I think we need to get down in the weeds for >> That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Instead instead of us like, "Oh my gosh, they're not going to give us any tax money yet." I think it's important that we understand so we can see
>> at the time it comes to council, the details will be completely there. Have they made any offers on any other property over there? Do you know? >> They as far as I know, they've they've been looking at other properties, but I don't have any kind of >> my understanding they haven't, but I just wondered if
>> I think they had standing offers and maybe they haven't I think they probably came to their price and they they ain't going any lower. I don't know really. I know some of the properties changed hand. I will say that you'd mentioned a few meetings ago about Whiskey Joe's. Um >> Well, they bought the house. Yeah, they
actually I I did hear that they were under contract on the lot across town now. I think you said that they were that's actually true now. >> Uh they were they were working on that. I don't know. I didn't I know they bought the house. So that's under and and then like Frank's property out co
used to be they were supposed to be buying that and I understand they haven't even made an offer on that. >> That's important piece. Yeah. No, there's there's there's a I think probably key to some of the property changing hands over the course of the
future, whatever, is what happens with that initial eight and a half acres, too. So, >> is there more to Adam's slideshow? >> Yeah. Yeah, we can get that. I just want to make sure you guys information from me you wanted. So, just keep in mind that going forward there may be some things we need to do with this, but
that'll come at a later date. >> All right. So, that's that's the budget basically. So that that just shows you that growth the CRA budget is is shifted to land purchasing fixing our parks, sidewalks, stuff like that. So that's kind of where that's then we we jump
into the the uh CIP expenditures for this year. Um one of the one of the things that we're doing is the way finding. Um and again uh Derek is here. If you have any questions, he can answer these a little bit better me. But this this is a expand phase one construction signage at major roadways entering the
city. And I think that's also encompassing getting everything kind of on the same level, same paint schemes, same colors, right? The whole city. >> Yeah. >> Did I miss this whole way because we approved the wayfinding thing, right?
And then they were going to have meetings and gather information from all stakeholders and everything. Did I miss all that? >> No, they they did a site visit here mostly going around town uh taking notes, taking pictures, getting ideas. They had a brief meeting with us. Uh but
they we're going to come back for public meetings and talking to council. >> They're just getting started. >> One second. >> Are we asking for money in here to do signs at this point? >> So we're we're asking for the way finding the so or do the consultants.
It's about $300,000 do phase one which is going to be the construction of the main entry signs US19 both ends and and road that was what they told us estimated construction cost is. So we wanted to budget for that you can do with all the information done to all work up front but you actually have
something to show for it. >> So they're not done but they're telling us you need 300 grand money for it. I missed the card in the horse thing. I thought we're going to get one big master plan and then we're like okay well this is what it costs for this master plan but we're going to start budgeting for it now.
>> Well I mean this is going to this is next year's budget. So whatever you know it cost for them to do it do the uh initial phase of it and then if there is construction that we can do next year this is setting that aside to do that. >> We picked we picked some of our favorite signs kind of examples that are going to be putting that together too right the
artwork or our sign >> they're working on that too. >> Maybe I misunderstood what the wayinding project wayfinding project was. I thought it was a we're going to go grab all the information and tell you what you should do here and here and here and here. I didn't think we're gonna piece.
Okay, we need 300 grand here. We're gonna keep going and doing our thing. We'll have a couple community meetings. I didn't think it was like that. Maybe I'm wrong. >> I thought it's comprehensive, too. >> Yeah, it's a it's a they were coming in telling us what we need and then again, if this is something we want to move forward with, we have the money. We set
aside and if we don't use it, let's say they come to us say it is $350,000, we don't nec I mean, we have the money set aside, we can always move that forward. We can always appropriate it and move it forward. So, it's there and it's kind of like just saving for us. This is to implement the money here is to implement the results of that
findings to implement certain things. >> It's not like >> we may not implement everything because it's going to cost $3 million, >> but we might do this portion of their findings for $500,000. >> And it'd be nice to get the golf cart crossing the 19 done first too, I think. >> Yeah, because we're talking about we're
talking about the entry signs to the city at three main intersects, which is Ridge Road, southbound, and northbound US Highway 19. That's what we're talking about right now. Just setting aside of money with those three signs. But with the brailing away finding, it goes way beyond that. It goes with It goes with street signs. It goes with every park
sign we have. It goes down to even >> No, that's what I was envisioning. That goes way deeper. What's the next step on that? >> Yeah. This money is just set aside for those three main entrance signs because we know that those those are going to have to those are going to be to happen. >> We need Centennial Park in there though, too. We need Centennial Park in there.
>> The Centennial Park sign. Yes. But all old park signs. all the park signs even down to our stationary is going to be different. It's going to be our new branding and wayfinding like logo type type theme moving forward. You know, we'll keep the city seal as an official seal, but this is this is going to be
everything that will be on a on a you know, on our our road signs on, you know, you know, everything like that is going forward that's going to be costing more money. >> I was missing our involvement in that. I guess I was missing when did that happen. And not that staff can't handle that, but I thought we were going to be
involved. >> You are. >> No, you still are. >> We we we we're going to see the results of that study. >> Nobody's gonna go by the science without breaking here. >> Yeah. >> But I thought the results of that study based on what they told us were interviews with us, community things, you know, all that stuff.
>> That's still happening. That just has >> they're going to have workshops. That's coming. >> Okay. >> That's coming. This is like he said, this is for next year's budget. This is preemptively. >> I'm just wondering how you can do all that without having the meetings. How can you tell us what kind of sign we mean if you haven't asked us? >> All we're doing is putting money in a bucket.
>> The 300k is for execution of whatever sign you pick. Okay. >> Or nothing. Maybe just we don't spend it. >> So they didn't pick a sign and we're dropping 300k in a bucket. >> No. Yeah. They came here town. >> We're earmarking $300,000 towards wayfinding stuff once the decisions
made. >> Yes. because the uh CIP is stuff that we are putting aside money for. This is where you guys say yes, we want to spend that money on that. This is what uh CRA has put together. Said, "Hey, $300,000 for
the signs and that's what we're going to put put aside." >> Dave can explain it to you. You give a call. Do we call him >> in three minutes? In three minutes. You get what time you want. I'm not involved. Did we not pay our battery bill when you
plugged the thing in? >> Did you turn it off? >> You have the piece in it. You have the piece in the computer. >> Yes. >> Did it die? >> It might have died. >> I did die. Sorry. So, our next thing is the roadway and trail rehabilitation. Uh, this is just asphalt from Bay
Boulevard to Coons Road. Um this has been I this is just a hair thing from last year. We tried to do this last year as well. Just didn't get taken off and I think it didn't didn't take off. So I think this is something we are I think it's important to to do and we have
money for it. So this is another one of those CI projects. Is this something I mean again this is just for you guys. You don't want to do that road >> that goes out to Brasher that big long road. >> So when you get that old post you take a left. So that's the we're we're looking at the sign of the fence post. That's
that asphalt right there. >> So this would be on old post >> right before you want to grab ZMC. Take a left. That's Coons. >> This project would be >> But yeah, it's in front of Waterfront Park right now. That asphalt, that's what you're talking about. And you want continue all the way to Coons.
>> No, that's in front of the apartments behind Walmart, right? >> This you're talking about the the trail going down OS road and it connect to the the road itself. old post from Bay because it's in a deteriorated state. Also, uh Daryl had mentioned the need to
remill and relay uh the hiking bike trail and so to >> bike trail. >> Yeah. So that's piece of asphalt uh that runs parallel to old post from waterfront park to Coons >> on the other side aluminum fence. >> Yeah. do the whole do the whole trail
and then also there's a portion of old post that's in for state do that as well as you got those pine trees growing up there and they're just >> I'm okay if we're not asphalted over top of pine tree roots that eat them up in a
year can't keep doing that Is it? >> Okay. >> All right. So, the next one is big sparks. This is Mr. Mueller's biggest uh thing here. So, this is just to replace the damage boardwalk, add bumper, add bumper to boat ramp, replace loading dock, upgrade tables suspension. Again,
this is just something that float from last year. We've been we put money aside, been put money aside for these upgrades to park, which is something just never did. So these are just again mirroring that and things that should happen or we want to make happen this year especially now that we have a resiliency person that can help
facilitate those things getting started. So u again this you know something I think is needed especially we've done nothing but talk about how we want to upgrade down there and possibly make it a better boat ramp better you know docks. I know that's all is destroying trailers at the moment.
>> So do we rebuild what's there? Do we think about doing what you're talking about? Well, I think even if we do what I I plan and I mean this is a suggestion. I still think we can keep the boat ramp and still do that >> and just plan down the road for this.
>> But that way if we just make just maintain the dock now just make sure it's not dangerous. >> Okay. >> And fix boat ramp so it doesn't destroy trailers right now. That's it. >> Okay. >> Yeah, that's that's what I would suggest. I think that's a great start.
>> You're not doing a huge amount of cases. You're just patching some maintain. >> I think we can we'll see our money down the road. I think we put a nice nice set of docks on there that will welcome voters from all around with money. >> Um the next one is sidewalk maintenance
inside the CR district. So this repair place uh sidewalks within the CR district. Those are u uh things that again haven't been talked to us since I've been here and things that need to happen. So this is just put aside money so we get that started. >> So can I ask a question and this may not
be our wheelhouse these sidewalks when we replace them. Are they putting metal in there or they just like putting more concrete down because these trucks I see that FedEx and UPS trucks or even a trash truck or a dump truck they drive on the sidewalk and it just breaks in all little pieces. Is there no metal in
there to hold it together? Like rebar? Yeah, rebar. Uh, how about some mesh wire? >> Um, I don't see any of that happening when I was watching lay sidewalks down there on on Bay Boulevard. >> S, do we are we doing sidewalks internally or we hiring it out?
>> Contracted some we've done internally. So, >> I was not there when they were poured, but I can double check with that and get back. Is our contract I'm just I guess what I'm wondering is our contract to put metal in them or >> I mean I from what I've seen in the past yes that's should be common practice
when you're building a you know doing a sidewalk and doing reinforcement. So it should be in there. I mean I know they have different types of concrete nowadays that you don't require that but I'd have to check with Daryl and see what they were using and and have >> I just had some concrete done over my place over there and literally this is
the sophistication. The guy's rolling concrete out of the back of the truck. He takes a handful of stuff and throws it up in the back of the truck. He thinks, "Well, yeah, we need they throw another handful up there." It's really not that As far as the fibers. So, I'm just thinking these sidewalks that we're fixing, if they're if they're not being
reinforced with something, they're going to crack again when somebody drives over top. >> Some of the old sidewalks are only three, four inches thick, I think. I mean, that's probably supposed to be six inches. I don't know what it is, but it's very soft. So, when truck drives overly just breaks it all up.
>> Yeah. A sidewalk is not made to have heavy trucks drive on it. >> Your sidewalks are right on the side of the road with no curb and gutters. So, people do it all the time. >> Every one guy that cuts grass down here on Bay Boulevard, holds on to the sidewalks, unloads his trailer, unloads his lawnmowers, rolls his truck sitting
there on the sidewalk the whole time. >> Yeah. >> And we can absolutely have that written that into the contract. That's why they don't have to do it. >> Yeah. And then also Oh, >> is Duke Electric covering the broken sidewalks that from damage that they
cause with this upgrade to the electricity? Because what they've done, they broke the sidewalk all along River Gulf Road. >> Yeah. Did they did we close out with Duke? I know that there was some stuff going on. As far as as far as I know, the sections that they did break that
they fixed. >> Okay. Well, River Gulf Road, they broke that up good. And I know because I walk my dog there every day and I watched it happen. >> Duke or was that the frontier? >> It's the other It's >> Frontier. >> Whoever's had the road closed off. >> Frontier
>> people drilling the holes in the ground, dropping the B. >> That's what I thought. Right. >> Maybe missed that section. >> Duke's perview. >> Maybe reach out. >> Get get information what she's talking about and have Duke look at it. >> All along River Gulf right along um the white dudge lot fencing.
It's all cracked up. >> River is >> just also on on sidewalks. If there's parts of town where there isn't a sidewalk, but there could be, I think we could use that that funding for new sidewalks in addition to repairs.
>> Absolutely. I think that's part of >> we go through that money pretty quick. Yeah, I just wanted to >> not just replace it, but >> our people use sidewalks. They walk their dogs. They run. They bike. They do all kinds of stuff. They're on the side. >> I'm a big sidewalk user and I'm very familiar with what the sidewalks are
like. Very >> They are getting better, by the way. They're getting better. >> Did you Did you go to the mountains and get the picture of that? Uh >> that's actually my house. >> Okay. I was gonna say that's not a a $500,000 bathroom right there. That's about
>> $120. The Eagle's Nest. >> $500,000. >> This is what you get for cheap. >> I think I'm a little away with the first. >> No, but with the $500,000, uh, I put the
bathrooms because again, that's my my thing. But >> did you I'm sorry to interrupt you. Did you see um I did I send it to you? They make a bathroom that when we got storms coming in or floods coming in, you pick that thing up with a forklift, stick it on a flatbed, take it to high ground,
leave it there, come back and after the flooding, then drop back down. >> Matt was I don't think so. Matt was >> mobile type stuff. >> Yeah, it's like it's the same thing as that. Just got two forks under pop forklift up, stick them on the back of the truck. >> This is an inflatable actually.
>> Yeah. >> No, that's No, I was going to say something. I'm not going to say it. I blew that up myself. >> It's a leak. >> It's reconstruction of the parking lot, including the curtain, additional new construction on shelters, playground
equipment, and new restroom facilities. And part of the playground equipment goes over it. Those are very expensive. That's what that $500,000 will do. Bathroom, new parking lot overlay, stuff like that. >> Just an important note about park. Uh last week the city was noticed that the
remaining structures of bracket park are going through the summon bite flights process because they're in rough shakes. So uh you know for funding priority we wanted to try to get something done there because it is in flight uh which is what this area is for.
>> Any chance we could trim the uh mangroves over there at uh >> uh it's on my past life. I didn't learn about that. There's a a window with the box, right? And you can't go under or over and you have to be certified to do. >> Yeah. >> Called the tree the tree trimmers. They
come in my neighbor all the time. >> If I if I could, let's not try to boil the ocean here, son. So, I mean, >> great conversation. >> Well, when do you bring it up? >> If you got the mangro, >> you don't you don't need council approval mangroves. If you if you don't issue with I mean, submit to the city,
they can look at that. We don't need to discuss it here. I'm just, you know, welcome to We can stay here all night. >> I don't want to stay here all night, >> but I don't want to get off track here. He's trying to go through the budget and >> council permission right after that. >> Right. >> Let's get we pass that.
>> We can go. >> So, and then of course the property acquisition, which I I think we should uh you know, bulk of our money besides parking but should go into this property acquisition. I mean, the there's a lot of projects we want to do and, you know,
property is is one of those things that we should really look into. So, we're we're really trying to identify I think we've got >> Yeah, we we have some needs we've identified just in the last couple of weeks after meeting again with the uh the RORO water plant uh engineer team. So, we're looking at properties where we
can place wells and and specifically a deep injection well. And it's there's a lot of parameters. It's got to be this far away from that and everything. So, so we're working with a realtor now to uh to uh >> prioritize what properties we we go for
>> this many different ways. Hey, it helps, you know, disperse our money. It helps us spend our money and we're getting assets for the city and just, you know, >> that hold that hold their value in the event things change >> and and it touches other things that may not be in our city that we could, you know, obviously try to try to annex
which is, you know, our plan. So, but a bulk of money is there and we did raise that to we raised the amount. So, we really should spend the money on that really push for this property acquisition this year. support and that's it or it's a
thing. >> So, so that's the budget. It's it is it is what it is. It's just uh it's a mirror from last year. It's just we need to I I think really really spend it and you know again you were talking about this other project that the mayor was talking about and we come back during
our uh the fourth meeting reallocation that money but also still keep money in these projects we need forward. Any questions? Real quick question. On our current budget for professional services, we had a little over $2 million in there.
What did we spend on that? Was that pretty much all that rolling? >> Yeah, most rolling. I think it was really more of a placeholder. I can't project. It was a placeholder. It encumbered that money. So, it was more
>> Yeah, it looks like actuals are 20,000. So, >> yeah, we didn't. >> I just want to call attention to that. So we we didn't spend nowhere near $2 million, >> right? >> But this stuff, as you can see, it's all broke down by by park. So like it's easier like if I'm not here or someone else is doing those things, they know exactly where that money is coming from.
And that's why we're trying to get away from those services. >> Just ask Derek professional services. That's a lot. That's where some of our uh surveys and our strategic planning and all that comes from the professional service line. So, you know, we're talking about a park master plan coming
out of that line and then construction actually come out of this yet. >> Yeah. Yeah. We're not going to spend $3 million construction. >> Yeah. >> I don't recall why we had $2 million in that was probably because of the air stuff maybe roll over out >> and I think you just didn't put stuff in
the line where it needed to go. We have lines for everything and obviously I tried my best to do it this year, but it's we're still working on that. We should you should be able to look at and see where the line was for. So when you look at that $3 million, you're you're doing the same thing I'm doing. I was like, what do we what's the plan for that?
Because when I got here, you know, Matt had already done the budget, so it's hard for me to $3 million. Any other questions? >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thanks, Adam. >> Okay,
that was the budget discuss. So next up number three discussion on the community redevelopment agency capital improvement plan CIP. I pass that Mr. Butterfield introduction. >> Yes sir. CIP we just covered it. We kind of rolled right from one to the next. >> Kind of thought but uh >> trying to be more efficient.
>> Do it again. >> You did a smoking job. Thank you. >> Okay. Next up is uh four discussion old business. Is there any old business? >> Go ahead. >> No. It's your time. >> I'm not doing it again.
>> We stay here all night. >> I get spanked once a night. >> I I really want you to make the motion. >> Oh yeah, Bob. >> I'll make a motion to adjurnn. Second. >> Take motion second. All in favor signify by saying I. I.J.