Oh, we're good. receive community redevelopment agency board meeting Tuesday, March 24th, 2026. I stand for pledge. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Madam clerk, I roll, please. >> Chairman John Eric Hoover >> here. >> Vice Chairman Chris Mayer >> here. >> Member Robert Hubard >> here.
>> Member Lisa Burke >> here. >> Member Christine Sullivan >> here. City Attorney Nancy Meyer >> here. >> City Manager Don King >> here. >> Thank you. First up is one set of board minutes. I need a motion to approve the March 10th, 2026 CRA board minutes.
>> Motion to approve the March 10th, 2026 CRA board minutes. >> Second. >> Motion second. Any further discussion? All in favor signify by saying I. >> I. I. >> Opposed. Motion carries. Accept this comments from the general public. I have
no signups. I show hands if they like to speak. Okay, I'm going to close public comment and bring it back to comments for city manager. Pass Mr. King for his comments. >> Um, tonight's going to be very um very informative on on on a few things. Uh, I think most importantly is going to be
the parks and and the process that we're we're trying to accomplish right now. Um Derek's going to discuss basically our four parks, the direction we're going in, and what we're going to need is some direction and and assistance and guidance from you guys on on what it is
that you want specifically on certain things. And and so we're going to ask for, you know, some some some guidance and some direction and um as we move forward because we've reached the point where we've finalized products. We're we're at that at that stage where we're going to roll ready to roll forward with
the projects. So, that's a good thing because now our CRA is actually moving forward. We're starting to get those projects, you know, off the table, out of theory, and into application. So, um it's a good spot to be in. We're at the right place at the right time. Um we just want to make sure that we get it
right now. Uh like we had the previous meeting, we want to get it right now because it's going to be who we are, what we are. It's going to be kind of like our brand. So, as you guys look at it, you know, make those hard calls, make those decisions, and let us uh help move move that forward. Other than that, that's all I have for this record.
>> Okay. So, moving on to board business item number two, Nicks Park boat ramp facility improvements project. I pass that back over to Miss King for introduction. I guess we'll >> Yes, I'm going to bring that. Yeah, Derek, I'm prepared for this one. >> Uh, so the grant manager and I have been working on this. We've got this FWC
grant for Nicks Park and what it's going to do is provide us some funding to get that project done based on the feedback that we've received from the board and the community with the park master or conceptual plan. This uh part of this project required a
cost assessment and kind of a phasing and schedule estimation. So, we had that done through Stantech, which is the same company that's doing the city's dredging. Uh, with that, we've learned that the project, uh, as you all wanted,
it would be about $1.8 million. Generally, you're going to add a 10% contingency. talking about a $2 million project to do next park the way that the board wanted, which was the refresh uh at that park, redo the ramp, redo the uh the boardwalk, redo the parking and the
the traffic and all that. Uh the timeline was a little bit of a surprise, too. We're dealing with the Army Corps and so Santech believes just that portion of getting the permits and all that's going to take about 18 months. So for just the design, so that's your
design and engineering. That's going to take you to about October 2028 and then we can finally get to construction. That's just and most of that's due to the Army Corps. So just to let you know, but as we get through that process, we are trying to find some money. And this
this grant's unique in that it didn't prescribe and necessarily match, but the more that you do match percentage wise, the better score you have. Also the conceptual plan that you all are going to approve later also helps that scoring. So the CRA is prepared with
that extended timeline to do a 50% match when we get to that point. Right now the only cost that will be coming up uh around September will be for the design and it's going to be a twofold thing. We need to do design and engineering first which is going to be about almost
$300,000 and that's going to be a 50% match that we'll get those service that that cost back from FWC. Now once we have those permits in hand we'll get a lot more points for the construction phase. And so then again we'll be uh asking for that grant from the construction side as well. Generally
when they give one they they give the other but we're prepared uh to match that. So we'll be in a pretty strong strong position to get those construction funds as well. So for this we're just right now we're just asking that you allow the executive director to enter the agreement for the grants and
move the process forward. Now to give some some some information to that process. understand that with a lot of the stuff in the CRA projects that you as a as a a as a a collective have been working on and moving towards what I've been trying to do is is is assist in
that process so that as as we develop those those those those projects that we're doing is I've had the team chase grants also because what I want to do is I want to maximize our CR dollars as we move forward. So with some of the grants limitations and so that's kind of what you're seeing as we start looking at the
grants and who we have to go through. Um, but the instate of this is we have more money for what we want to do to make sure we're getting the instate product that we want, but with those but with those grants, we have certain limitations. But unfortunately, this limitation right here with the Army Corp
of Engineer, anything you do around water is going to require that. So, if if you want to do something at at at um at waterfront, you want to do something at a brasser and it has to do with the water, getting inside the water, putting a fixed structure in the water, it's going to be 18 months. So, please take that and just kind of take that with a
grain of salt that hey, that project's just going to take that long just because of what we need and what we want to do there. But because of the way we're doing this, we're actually going to be able to do more for that park and that money will be spent over the time through that park. So, it'll be I I figure estimated time on that will be
2030 that park's complete. So, it's still within side of our spectrum of the 2032 uh timeline for our C dollar. So definitely we'll be funding things through there, but with this process, we'll be able to make sure that we're best investing the money we have with our CR projects and at a whole into the
areas that we want. So like Brad Park, you're looking at good development there because we'll have the funds there because now we've we've been able to offset some of the funds through a grant. So we're able to expand and get more of what we want as opposed to more of just what we think should be there.
>> I've got some questions for you. You go ahead. You have a question. No, go ahead. >> I hate my >> No, I was No, because >> Okay, so I'm all for grants to save us money to extend our CRA dollars with as much
moving pieces as we got going on down there right now. Does this not like we're locked in, you I mean, it kind of relax us in versus like, you know, having the ability to wait till some of the other pieces start to develop before we dump our whole, you know, dollars in
there. >> And it I'd say in many instances, it allows us to do those things that we want to do, but in in some aspects, we're going to have to get locked into stuff like with the the boat ramp. The other >> we talked about looking for another area for a better boat ramp. And so, if we're
talking about that, we're approving this. I'm kind of feeling like we're stepping on our feet. >> Well, the boat ramp's over there. We move it to >> Well, yeah. Again, if we if we find an alternative location, you don't want to build a brand new tube ramp and stuff. Yes. But not >> We all agreed we need a boat ramp.
>> And if there's no alternatives, this is the place. >> We're not going any if we can't find one else, that is the boat ramp. But if we find another place that's better suited and we decide that, hey, >> sorry, >> using my assistant. Sorry, >> my mic is picking up.
>> Yeah. Um, usually with my voice it does pick up. I'm just I just want to make sure we're not doing the cart and the horse thing. That's all. >> Right. And I will tell you, we've looked at other locations. We looked at Epide. We we we've looked at Brasher Park would probably be another location. There's just certain areas where we've looked so far that really kind of limit because if
we go out to Epide, I don't know if there's I don't know if it's really feasible out there because I've gone out there. walked the ground and and to put a boat out there with what we what we see going out of our ramp right now, I don't know if it's feasible. >> There's a marina. >> Well, there's a marina there, but that
that would be something that we'd have to coordinate with them in, you know, separate from our own because we do have land there that does go at Epide that that can be accessed. based on what what is out there right now, there would have to be some a lot of engineering that goes out there to to manage and and
address something to potentially not even be usable at this point. So, we'd actually have to have an assessment done for a boat ramp at those locations and any other location that you guys can think of or identify, we'll go out and do. >> We're getting ready to drop 350 grand to assess this situation. >> Correct. That's what Derek just
>> turbine the board at Tide is not in the community redevelopment district. So cannot make a decision on that piece of property. Also this uh this is a grant with timelines of course the deadlines and uh we were going off of the direction that the board provided us
when we were going over the park plan which we probably should have put the park plan first on this item but you'll see that we're going off of of that data that we collected from the board and the community and that's why we're going forward. It's it's just a refresh to keep it alive and well until you do
finally make that final decision on where you're >> so 2 million 2 three or four million is the refresh. >> Correct. According to according to the engineering city uses this engineer for a lot of their projects. So trust their assessment. >> It government money just doesn't spend like private money does it? It just
seems like it's just like four times the money for everything you do >> you know. Um, >> and there some of the challenges. I mean, um, my challenges in the past, if you use Army Corps of Engineers, you're going to get a great product, but it's going to cost you three times as much, which is unfortunate. Um, some of the challenges are, you know, you are using
federal dollars. You know, there are federal limitations and we we do find ourselves constrained from it. What I don't want to do is I don't want to I don't want to miss opportunities that that are presented to us. >> I don't want to miss opportunities either, but I also don't want to put sidewalks and street lights in places that can get up by developers.
>> Agreed. Okay. That's all. agree two and a half million dollars worth which is a great reason to look back and say hey they didn't do their job and we're all finding new jobs instead of being here looking at the obvious in front of us >> I also need to remind the board procedurally if you decide not to move forward with this project we are
required by law to reassign the funds to a project or return it to the city and the county >> I think that's something we we we still need a ramp and it's still if we went ahead as it is that's still 18 months down the road even
if if and and I'm okay with that. I'm not trying to derail this, Derek. Please don't think that. But I also want everybody sitting here to be prepared. This is going to be an election thing when when it comes up for election. You guys approved almost $3 million into an area that we weren't sure they were going to redevelop with a boardwalk all
the way across it or re relocate the ramp or anything. I'm just I want us to make sure we're thinking now, not later. who else need to understand that that money can only be spent >> at in locations where CRA dollars are allowed to be spent. So, it's not really like not like we're choosing not to do
it. >> So, hold on. When you say tides outside of that's correct, but where does that start? I the marina I think is still part of CRA is not or is the the marina is not it is that is part of CRA but as
you pass through onto Eti that goes outside the CRA >> if you can verify that >> um and so again if we look at that area um I don't know if it's something that might some kind of public private partnership with with the marina to be able to provide ramp services or
whatever and if we do something uh maybe at Brasher Park for smaller scale stuff at first. Maybe there's there's a way we can >> I don't think uptight's a good idea. Look, I mean, you're boats and >> not tied, but as you get >> Well, back in that area, >> it's all residential
boats and there's two marines back there right now. >> Two, actually. >> I know, but they're for >> I have I have located at 400 Head Tide and it's not within the community area. >> The actual green is not >> correct. So it's
>> Fisher Drive is cut off generally. It does come down a little bit to grab um Dedra, I think. >> But yeah, that's basically the end. >> So it's not like we can use it in other places. >> Okay. And and and again, my job right now is just to make us stop and think,
>> you know, just just because somebody says we're going to give you money if you do that. Well, that may not be the best project. It may not be that that might not be the right project. We don't want to not use the money either. If we have it, >> we can always repurpose it on that site.
>> Can we? >> Well, let me answer this because once they approve the grant based on the parameters and the parameters are in here is is a new two-lane uh concrete boat ramp, docking facility, obviously that's something we want to definitely do. Um restroom, but all these things
other than the actual boat ramp itself stays the same. Um we we learned today that actually the grant won't cover the pavilion. So something not covered. >> So yeah, we learned that literally today this afternoon that it won't cover the
pavilion. So it'll cover everything upland and in the water but not pavilion. So the restroom as well. >> Restrooms are not covered. >> The restrooms are is the picnic pavilion. The two that are there aren't covered for some reason. >> And let me ask this. Is it is that grant specific to that location? >> It is. A lot of times what they want
they want to know exactly where it's going. They want to make sure you have a plan for it and they want an engineered kind of document too to prove that you are ready to go to spend their money. >> So I have a question >> answer. >> I can't answer it. >> I answer I have a question. I can't I
don't know the answer. So you're talking about Okay. So the grant is for this much. We don't have to put money in. If we put money in we get points. It ups our score. Explain the points. I mean how many points do you get? How do you get those points? what it helps our score to what
what the grade man you're basically given a grade on your grant request, right? So, if we go in there with no plan at all, we're not going to get much in the way of any type of grade. We're as compared to to other places because everybody's trying to get this money. So, if we come in with a good plan, we
show that we have the money and we're willing to provide them the money and invest in it with them that it'll look more favorably and they'll, you know, most likely approve it or have better chance of of being approved for the green. I think in the past when I talked
to Pam, we didn't have the conceptual plan. We didn't really have anything together. So, we never were able to get this grant. Well, now we've got some things going that are really going to help us. We've got the ability to provide funds to it. We've got the conceptual plan and now we're working with the engineer to actually get some
estimated cost and timeline. >> So in other words, you have to have a good grade to even get approved. You have to get have a good grade. What about what about the points? What what is it? >> Each grand's different. Some allow you points. I forget with Pam exactly if they if they do the point system. There's different ways. There's different you do points or percentages
based on what >> and what those points give us >> a better score more. and your score higher score generally means that you're more likely to get the stamp of approval when you're when you're grant. >> So the score on the points just all falls back to approval >> to approval.
>> Yeah. I I would absolutely think that right now because we're kind of up in the air and we're not sure exactly what's going to happen. We should invest in our boat ramp because losing our boat right right now or having another storm come in and that thing, you know, being totaled out or whatever it may be. So, I
would say that we would move forward with this knowing that knowing that we don't have any idea what's going to happen down there and there could be something whole grand and later on we might have to end up backing over that. You know, it's like putting in a pool and then decided you don't want the pool later. You just >> Well, one one thing too and let me add to this
majority is going to be paid for outside the city funds, right? We're going to augment that, but the grant is substantial, right? >> Yeah. We're think about 50% should make it look very fair to >> worst case 50%. Yeah. Um, I I think we move forward with that. Like I said, all the pieces are still going to be there.
The only thing question is it is it going to be in the in the long-term future a boat ramp? And I think we invest that even if we were to find another location at some point in the future, whatever, because it's more just a boat ramp, it's parking. That's the big the big snafu when you talk about
boat ramp is all the trailer parking and all that. So that that becomes a challenge. Not necessarily the boat ramp itself. I think if we did find another location of whatever we accommodate park and everything we could still have that as a ramp that we could use for police and fire and all the things I think it's I think the investment is worthwhile and
if and then of course if it's is turn out to be we don't have any alternatives then it's already invested in. So I think it's I don't think there's any bad move to go forward with this. No, because we need to spend some zero >> a minute. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And this is obviously going to get us on the right path because currently we
don't have a sovereign origin land lease or we should. Uh so in the scope of work from Stantech, they're going to help us with that as well. >> Okay. >> And it's the most central place for a ramp for fire and police. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean I mean it's closest
>> and even during we could open up for if we if we did have an alternative location. Obviously they're looking at building one across the river if we put some other spots in or whatever. we do find an alternative that's still a very valuable resource for the city. Um say it's more of a park in the future, long-term future. Uh we can still open that up till people get their boats out
for hurricanes and all different things. I said the more access we have the better. So I don't think we're going to do wrong by moving forward with this to be honest >> in the approach that that that we as a team as we bring things to you. We're looking at it like this 5 10 15 25. So this is our this is our five-year look.
Now granted a a a a boat ramp that goes out there. We want it to be in our 25-y year plan because we want it to go out that far. But where do we get it in there? But what do we have in the interim and support and where are we best investing, you know, our investments now to cover down on those things that we don't have now as we move
forward. And that's what that's why you see the investments the way we're making them. the fact that we're building plans so we can get towards those investments because we even have to do some of this work with you guys kind of working with you as we move forward in order to be able to get the other money on the table so that you have the opportunity to vote
in these projects. >> There's a lot of wisdom sitting here right now. You got Captain Bob, you got Christine, you got Lisa, you got myself, you got the mayor. There's a lot of wisdom sitting here. I love this because it gets us it gets it on the table. We talk about it. We own it and we move forward. You know, it's not like we're like uh uh okay, you know, we don't we
don't want to do that. we want to either own it or we don't, you know, >> and that's fantastic and we really appreciate that's that helps everything that we're doing. I mean, without it, we wouldn't have that direction. But right now, >> I'll own it and make the motion that we approve uh staff recommend recommendation to designate Don King
Jr., Executive Director, the authority agent to sign and receive all documents pertaining to the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission, Florida Boating Improvement Program Grant under the FWC BP or FBIP.
>> Anybody want to second that eloquent motion? >> Second. >> Motion second. Any further discussion? Any public comment? See, I put a vote on favor signify saying I. I >> opposed. Motion carries. Okay. Next up is
item number three, property purchase 63196345 Springer Drive. I'll pass that to Mr. King for >> So, as everybody's tracking, that is the property that we're currently looking at purchasing um for the reverse osmosis smart plant. So, the one right next to us for $800,000. Um, right now we've we
have got ourselves, you know, moving forward with that process, you know, at least as far as the getting with the buyer costs and all that. So, right now, we're at a point where there's decisions we need from council and direction to take us forward. So, at that point, I'll I'll let Derek, you know, walk you down
the path where we're at with this one. >> This is this be project. I can um you if there's questions of whether or not CRA this is something CRA does, I can answer those. I have that prepared. This sounds like >> there's one question I want to get answer to. It's a little bit confusing in the packet. So 6319 6345 that is the
combined big lot and then there was on one the second appraisal I believe it had the other lot to the to the west of that that was not involved in this. Right. >> No, we're not that's another one that we're still pursuing on purchasing. >> So how come that was how So the second appraisal included that in the appraisal, but the first one didn't, right?
>> No, because well we wanted we wanted to get an appraisal for that property. So, we did we did get the one, but we still need to get a second one. >> Do we need the second one? Because that was came in >> and we we that's right. We we won't need a second one,000. So, >> so we're covered in that if we need it. >> We're covered as we move forward on that
one. We're we're confirming some issues with legal to make sure that we can use CRA dollars to buy that second piece of property. Um but the first piece of property is fine with that limit. And obviously just so board knows that that it it showed two parcels on that one, but it's just that one parcel on the
east side, the big one point how many acres was it? Was it 3.8 1.8 acres? >> 3.8 acres. And I did include the the appraisals in there. And I included the summary what that both the appraisals came came on came for. Um appraisal one
was uh a,43,000 and the second appraisal was a,390. art contracts right here. >> Okay. And then then the last question I have is is based on the design of the water plant. Is that 3.8 acres sufficient to house that water plant? So
we won't need anything else? >> No. No. For the water plant? No. Um like I said, the other parcels that we're talking about later on are for well sites and u and the one on Coons Road is for the deep uh deep injection well, but this is all for the plane. This is everything. The design is is based on
that location. I'd like to make a motion. >> Yeah. Like to make a motion to designate Don A. King Jr. to executive director as the authorized agent to sign the real estate and purchase agreement for 6315 and 6345 Springer Drive.
>> Second motion second. Any further discussion? Public comment. See I put a vote. All in favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> I. >> Opposed. Motion carries. Looks like we're buying piece of property. >> Next up item number four. Wayfind. say one thing before we move on. Just just
for clarification, >> we're purchasing this under a special warranty deed. Okay? And special warranty deeds are not what they sound like. Sounds like, oh, we got something special. You got something special. All right? Because it doesn't guarantee you anything. But I looked further in the wording, you know, we have an
opportunity to get title insurance and we should before we move forward because that special warranty deed that Mr. Patel who's selling the property, it says during my time, but it doesn't go back before that. So the special warranty dean only guarantees the property from the time he bought it until the time he sold it. And he bought
this thing at a foreclosure sale, it looks like. So make sure that we get that title insurance on this property part of the closing. >> Yeah. Right. >> And and and that's and that and title insurance has to preede his purchase. Well, they can't just say, "Okay, well, Mr. Patel, from here on out, because there could be something hanging back
there that be careful if you ever buy a piece of real estate, personal, commercial, or anything, special warranty deed. I got clocked on townhouse one time on that." And the manufacturer told me, the the builder, PY Homes, told me, "Sorry, you bought a special warranty deed." And I'm telling you, I was picketing their sales trailer
the next morning. They came out with lawyers and begged me to stop. And and and they fixed the problem. But it was about it was about a in my world, it was a $30,000 problem. And they were prepared to stick me with it because it was a special warranty deed. So, be careful when you see special. General warranty is always the best way to go. And >> and that's one that's one of the things
we did identify and one of the things we are looking at is Rich. We're going through the closing process with what what needs to be finalized and captured. So that >> all it looks pretty good. I think we're protected. Just make sure that title insurance precedes his purchase. >> Yeah.
>> Okay. Next up number four, wayfinding bid assistance and construction administration. Pass it. Mr. King for introduction ordinary. >> All right. Uh so during the board's last meeting, we finally were able to get approval on the suite of signs. And so
that's the end of the original project for us. We had this option for bid assistance and construction administration. Uh it's always been in the in the original uh packet. Uh the board picked such an elaborate sign that we want to make sure that it meets
expectations. And so this option allows the company who created the design and and the manufacturing documents to sit by and vet these fabricators to make sure and hold them accountable to the design. So what they're going to do, they're going to assist Sal and I in the
bidding process dealing with way the the location with DOT and things like that. Uh things that we just we're not material science scientists and we're not sign gurus. So they're going to help us with that. make sure that that image that you saw uh the fabricator follows it as closely as possible and so it's
almost a guarantee for quality of work. >> This goes out to bid, right? They're going to help you clarify what the scope of bid is. Correct. Right. To make sure that we get what we ask for and it's going to be a longevity, >> not only the look, but material. They're going to make sure material is going to make sure that 3D look with the
backlighting. All that's incorporated in there. They're going to go through the bidding process. They're going to work through FDOT on on getting those sites permitted correctly because some are in FDOT right away. >> Don't we have to run electric some of these spots? >> Correct. That's again part of it. It's comp it's going to be a complex project
and they're going to help us >> pay you tell me. >> Well, our time and ability with everything else we have going on. >> He's a professional. That's what they made plumbers for. >> I will tell you they they are so into the detail of their product that they
actually sent us an email. I I showed them the trucks. They say, "Great. By the way, we drove at night by your front sign and there's a lighting issue." So, that's how like good they are with keeping up with the their their product and the quality of detail. So, we're comfortable that they're going to provide the same quality on this.
>> I'll make a motion to approve the purchase agreement with KMA for bid assistance and construction administrative services. >> Second. >> Okay. Motion second. Any further discussion? Any public comment? Seeing none, puts a vote on favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> I. >> I.
>> Opposed. Motion carries. Next up is item number five, park conceptual design plan. I'll pass that back over to Derek for introduction. >> Well, before Derek gets going on this, uh, just so that everybody understands, you're going to see some conceptual designs here. You're going to get and and keep that in mind. They're conceptual designs. And so, as you're
looking at them, feedback is great. Um, it'll help us in the direction moving forward. But I really want you to take a look at some of them because even with Olar Park, kind of made an expansion piece so you can see what that other piece of real estate would look like on there. So there there there are some items that we kind of got did some
adjustment and tweaks just for your visibility on them just so that if there's an appetite for there is an appetite for that property, this is what you could potentially see with that with with these park conceptual designs. >> Don, I looked at this for hours.
What do you want me to make a decision on? Okay. >> So, so just to preface this is this is the culmination of all the input from the board, the the city council, the community staff. This is a communication tool. It's not it's not you're voting on anything. This is the culmination of all
that data that we collected for your viewing. Now, how we use it, I'm going to ask you, you know, probably in a few minutes here a question and you'll see how we're going to actually end up using this. For one, it helps with grants. Again, we're going to take this show that you know these grant people that we're serious about our project. We have
a plan in place and we have a vision in place. Two, it helps us as we go through the engineering process. Right? These are nice pictures. They're a culmination of what everybody kind of wanted to see. When an engineer looks at this like, well, that's not going to quite fit right or uh you know this material isn't
available, right? From staff, we're going to ask you, hey, we're ready. We have let's say Bracker. We'll go into Bracker here. So, we have two grants that we're we're working on. We have one for the kayak launch that we're gonna get. And then very very soon, we're
working with a grant agent from a playground company. We're probably going to get that, too. Uh but it's not money. It's it's uh the value of a product provided and it's highly it it's you know customizable, right? So, as we take
and we go back and we come up to these projects, we're going to say, "Hey, Siri board, I got a playground going in." And I'm going to look at fracture, page 137. Right now, this plan shows that the playground is going to go in that spot just to the left of the proposed bathroom.
>> Is that where you want it? Do you want something else there? Do you like the size of the playground? If you tell me yes, I'm going to go and tell this lady, "Go ahead, run for it." If you told me we know you want somewhere else, >> yeah, >> I could let them know >> that uh we can go a different direction. But what this is, this is a tool for
>> 137 bottom left. 137. >> If you if you guys want me to go through stuff, you're going to have to give me some direction because it's it's included in the agenda. It's not necessarily a PowerPoint. So, give me just a second. >> Yeah, 137 is page. >> Just a quick response. I love the
playground where it's at. I think it'd be awesome. Now, when we put a piece of the puzzle together, that obviously is going to limit what you can change as you go forward because that piece of the puzzle is locked in, right? So, then we know where the bathroom's going to go. We
know where the sidewalk's going to go. Things like that. So, as we come to you with these and we say, "Hey, you know, we got this playground project coming in. Is this good? You give us a direction. We're going to go forward and and work toward." Now, when we talked to this playground uh grant specialist, she
did say that we should probably also do the bathroom. Now, I talked to the building official. Now, this is a pretty elaborate bathroom you see here, multi-story. He said a slab on grade floodproof structure will work in that spot as well. And so, that will help get the project complete because we'll
probably have, you know, more money to do the other things instead of build the multi-story hall bathroom. >> Yeah, that's ridiculous. So, sorry. Go ahead. >> I'm just my This is way overbuilt. I mean, way overbuilt. Um, what they try to do is grab everybody's opinion and
throw it on there. It's >> Yeah. Um, so I think we need to rethink the scope of what we're going to do there. >> Um, >> uh, before we because we just, for example, if we was to do exactly what this shows and invest in that, we
wouldn't have a dollar left for anything else. It was all good. $4 million you're building this step too water tower with miles a >> well we did with Nick right where we got a cost estimate and project estimate we'd have to do this with this park too to get an understanding of that
>> with with other components now the grants are going to cover a lot of the playground and the the split for the kayak launch uh we're going to talk with her and may cover the bathroom too we got have this conversations but at least we know those are two items we're going to be covered
>> you guys do the same amount of money on this as you do next park you said or >> what we got to do is we have to get an engineer to does construction to give us promise estimate for that timeline estimate every grant's probably going to want that anyway we need it because we need to know what we need to say going
forward to get these projects done or what we can afford specifically the specific items what we can afford is even laid out exactly the way Brasher Park is the whole thing looks a little hokey to me the whole south side of Brasher Park that big green building and
you get that building out on the water. Yeah, you can't even do that. >> And what we had discussed so so that that green lawn building is actually a covered boardwalk. You take cover off take cover off saves some couple bus. >> You got mangroves all through there. You have mangro. >> So this would this would cut. So what
what you see here is actually you're cutting because the regional planning council believe when they're looking at the parking lot size that it's overkill. So that's not cutting the mangrove, that's actually cutting some of the parking area because the parking lot in
their view was kind of too much for what you had there. So that boardwalk would cut into that, not the main road. >> You talk to the department guys, the utility guys go out there. You get 30 30 cars out there sometimes people and they go out there because it's open. They like the views. You got buildings all
around them now and and you can't put a dock on top of the mangroves. I will say you want to eliminate the parking. the exact same image that was writed to you guys in the last board meeting. >> I didn't like it then either. >> Cars of park and I've been here for 10 years. >> I saw it briefly, but I didn't. Yeah.
>> So, if you look at concept number two with the boat ramp occlusion, >> whoever designed that boat ramp, that's not how a boat ramp you just don't put a ramp in. I mean, there's no turnaround. There's just that's it's a that doesn't work. >> You couldn't figure out if it parking for for the trailer either.
>> That's not viable. We're going to have a canoe launch, not a boat ring. Right. >> Kayak, canoes, jet ski. They had a dock on there. It was like a handicap kayak dock, floating dock. I didn't see it on here. It was on the last one I looked at. I like that idea. >> That That's That's So your bottom left
picture there. That's the one that's jutting out on the bottom right. You'll see the parking lot. You see like a L-shaped >> Yeah, I see that. >> That's that's where they're proposing. And that's, you know, we have a grant ready to go for that. So, if that's a good location, we can start moving.
>> You You've got a problem, though, because you've got people that live back there that have boats. And I mean, they get out at high tide, but the only way they can get out is through there, >> through that where this this boat, they got a boat sitting there, big boat sitting there. It's grounded even at high tide where it's sitting.
>> So, that that >> got to be clean. They got to be open. >> That's the Roads channel that has no houses on it. There's no houses on Are you talking about >> Well, they come in from the other side on Coons Road. Okay, >> there's a little bay like that. >> So that dock, that dock is fine there.
But the green, the big green dock on the south side, >> they even agree with that. They said that's probably not feasible. All they did was take the input from the staff or from the from the public and put it there. They also agree that's not feasible. So that's something it sounds like we can just >> pull that out,
>> put a handicap canoe, right? Leave that. >> Take out the greenhouse and the hut. Leave the green shade roof over top of that parking lot thing. >> I don't I I think >> covered parking. You're gonna pay for covered parking. >> It's not covered parking, Bob. This is
where people are going to throw their fishing rods in, but they're going to sit there and look at the water and watch the dolphins. That's it's it's a shade spot going to obstruct the boardwalk at >> casting. >> So, if if you if you look at the 137,
that bottom left picture. All right, >> get that aerial picture. All right. You you've got the structure on the far west, right? That would be a pier type that you would do your fishing and stuff probably from there. You wouldn't do it over here where all the I mean there's nothing in there. >> Well, you got a weather station there,
too. >> I I mean, it's I live right down from there. There's no fish in there. Um, you know, you want to get further out. And my thought was on this park, if you were going to integrate a ramp, you would need to come in um from the right hand side there, you
would basically drive around the perimeter, the back, the north side of that park. You'd come around in the very corner down here is where you the far left bottom corner. That's where you would want a launch. And that's where we also did our our our dredging uh studies. All that area right there to
map that out. Um, and so you would launch there and then you would basically pull in, you could park here and then when you go to get your boat, you would go you would traverse that same thing and you would leave the middle places for, you know, bathrooms or whatever. But you would have to you would have to drive around the perimeter of the park to make it work and you
wouldn't want to have that park just not big enough to launch boats. >> It's the same size as Nicks Park. I mean, it's it's the same, >> but you'd have water at Nick Park. You don't have any water out here. And as I as I keep saying and again taking builder rockets there on the 31st you you you can launch several craft there
um that you can do at any time flat bottom boat jet skis you've got it's it's a it's an opportunity to take pressure off of other ramps >> jet skis um you know canoes kayaks johnbo >> I could launch my fishing boat there most times
>> Eric could you not pull in and make and then back straight up there and do that could you not do that. Isn't there enough room there to do that? >> When you pull in the skinny road right before you get to the park where the green grass is, just pull in there and then back up. Is there not enough room to do it
>> on the if if the lamp ramp is where >> if the ramp where they have the picture now on the the >> No, you have to you got it's a when you got a trailer behind you, you got to really swing around and I mean >> Well, you're not talking about a a big boat. You're talking about flat bottom boats. Small flat bottom boats. You're
talking about jet skis. that that 21 foot center council. >> You want you want to put this big green dock on the south side, take out the parking and now you want to put trucks and trailers and cars and trailers in there on top of it. >> Right now, the way the parking lot is out there, you can only put like 17
trucks and trailers out there and then you don't have any room for anybody else hardly at all. >> Again, this park is is hardly ever utilized other than kayak fisherman and and >> this park this park's used a lot. I I may see four or five cars down there,
but I don't have time. I mean, it's I mean, on the weekend, >> I don't think the parking is there either. I don't think the parking is there. >> We've talked about the two corner lots that are for sale. >> It's the same size as Nick Park, folks. It's the same size. So, you could configure it in a way that you can park >> park is all parking just about.
>> Well, they got restroom and that they got little center pavilion there, but uh it's it's roughly the same spot. And again, we're not talking about making this the main boat ramp. It's just another point of access. And if it's full, you actually could park down Coon's road
>> on the road on well on the side. >> So if you had a really busy day and again this is this is kind of a >> could you is that legal >> more of a local sign. >> I mean people do we don't Yeah. >> Yeah. Parking on the side of the road. I mean always police and fire >> and you got all that cones coons road
that you could that you could stack along there. It'd be a longer walk obviously. So would this require you going back to boarding a citizen saying, "Hey, this is not what we like." >> Well, they just need to This is conceptual. >> Their uh their agreement with us is
done. They're they're out of this equation. This is what we're not going to do any more designing. >> Well, this is con this is conceptual conceptual. >> This is to elicit this conversation because staff needs needs direction and guidance because we can't move forward. If if you're going to decide to do a boat ramp here, right, uh the playground
won't fit. And but the issue is that we're coming up to is that we have opportunities for playgrounds through grants. So we need direction. If you're going to do if you want to do the playground route, you're going to kind of commit to that design because then you won't be able to necessarily fit everything else.
>> In my opinion, playground's important and we have lots of parks and obviously we're looking at doing probably a splash plaid and playground stuff over waterfront park is obviously where that needs to focus needs to be. Do we need a playground here? I would say no. Make
this more of a as a as a lookout fishing type thing. You don't necessarily need a playground there. You can put other amenities in there that that um play the playground there. >> The only thing nice about a playground, Eric, is if a couple goes out there and the husband wants to like go out there
on that thing and throw us fishing right out there. Kids can play in the park and mama can watch them in a little fenced area >> or the other way around. >> Or the other way. >> Mama can go fishing, daddy sitting there watching the kids. I will go watch kids. >> I'm just saying >> I've been known to watching kids. >> A lot of citizens requested a
playground. >> And what you're doing, you eliminate parking with that big green building on the south side and that's that's a disaster. >> So, we all agree the building on the south side is out. Not the building, but the um >> walkway. Yeah. Yeah. Wipe out that on
the south. A couple pavilions out there is nice and just a one-story bathroom maybe with a little foyer. So, >> and I think we all agreed on the west side. We do like that walkway out >> and the still house >> to that. >> Yeah. >> Well, like to see that go like through
the mangroves out to there as opposed to having a wrap around the corner. I think you need need to reconfigure that. But I like the the where it's at. It'd be nice to kind of have a little walkway through the mangroves. >> Like over at Green Key. That's what we originally asked for, >> but we have the main Well, we
>> No, we had originally thought that the mangroves were going to stay 12 feet tall and we couldn't see over. So, we got this twostory house to look over them. But now we have an idea that the mangroves are going to be taken care of and they're going to be brought down over time and we'll be able to see over top of them. So, that won't be as as as problematic.
>> Have you been to Green Key though in Newport Richie? Have you been to the walkway that goes through the >> station? It's very nice. Walk through the >> Yeah, because you can go through the mangroves regardless high or low or whatever. You can see like into the mangroves and it's really really cool. And then you get to the end and there's
>> So you think we save money by going straight out to the Absolutely. >> I mean it it makes the parking lot bigger for him right for Bob says >> except for it make the do it give more docking space if you did it the way it is here. >> Yeah. But >> do not really walk.
>> The only docking space you really need >> I don't mean docking. I mean walkway. >> Yeah, walkway. >> If you had a ramp, you just need a a little platform that you could put the boat up, get in. >> I didn't even mean docking. I meant walking. >> Yeah. >> The um So maybe we save money by just going straight to it. And then we reposition some things to give you the
turnaround that you might need to be able to back up your canoe or since you don't want to take your center console over to the other next park, we'll drop your center console on over here. A boardwalk like she talked about would be nice off of the still house and you could have a little covered area like a little 10 x10 covered area if they want
to fish or sit out there and read a book or whatever and look at the get the views. The still home you could have a observation deck above that or next to it. It's an 8 by8. You see it in the keys everywhere. Houses have these little observation decks next to them so you can watch the sunset and that's not
a big deal to do eight foot or 10 foot by 10. >> Well, the only thing we done is handicapped access though, right? the the up top don't need to be, but I would have a ramp up to the stilt house. I think it's in one of the diagrams. They have a little ramp that goes up to it. >> If you if you focus the walkway on the
north side, you have some >> Right. >> It's it's a much better walkway. Then you have access to the other side. >> You kind of meander through the mangroves. Nice. >> And when you're in the park and you have to you want to see the west and the south because that's where the big view is and that would be out of way. I agree
with that. >> Has a camera, right? Salt Springs has a camera. Could we put a camera out there? >> Yeah, sure. >> Yeah, go ahead. >> And from if if if a playground is important, >> you can always have just a small scale
of something to play on playground. >> Playground is important and he's got a grand >> that that's so the point of this item was to show you just the report, right? This is a good exercise of how we're going to use the report, but I do I do need some direction because I don't want to waste this person's time, right? And
I need to know what we're going to be putting there, right? Because that's how the grant's going to be moving forward. The the ADA compliant kayak launch. If really if that's an okay spot, if you feel like that spot's good, then that's okay. That's easier to deal with the playground because the playground's
going to interact with the other components of the park. I need to know where you want it and how big. >> I like where it is on there. >> Yeah. So, so, so council, what I think would help in this process is we look at this. It's got it's it's two-part. wanted to show you what's what's what's been designed for you for concept so
that you guys can start getting your head wrapped around, hey, this is what I want what I don't want because we're going to come back to you with engineers and concepts to build what you want. We're going to get into even more detailed conversation on what exactly is going to go there because that's on a that's going to be on a different map, different piece of paper with with us
plugging certain things in. So, this is to see how that conceptual design came out and how you guys feel about it. how you feel about where you want to go from here because we're gonna bring the other piece to you. >> Yeah, I very I have a very very soon appointment with this woman. So, I just
need a little direction. But but that but but the part two of this is in the process of this, you know, putting this stuff together, we've gone off to grants and that's I've been very transparent about that these conceptual designs and and that's where that's where Derek is trying to hit you guys with this right
now is we're trying to get your concurrence on those projects that are granted be this conceptual design so we can move forward with the conceptual to go forward with the grant. Not necessarily with the permanent plan in place, but the fact that we have two items here on this project We can move
the playground around and do all that stuff with your brand. >> Well, so well, they're they're going to come they're going to go out there with us and they're going to I'm going to say this is the space that they wanted. >> They're going to look at that space and say, "Okay, this is what I can provide to you based on the parameter on the
space." So, I need >> your drawings. How can you tell them where it's going to be? >> Because because this is a manufacturer. It's a it's a man it's a grant from a manufacturer. So, they manufacture these and they're providing us a a material, not money. They're providing us with the material, the actual playground. So, in
order to figure out what they're going to give us, we need to tell them where is it going to go. They need to do that site assessment. Get our crap together here. >> And this playground is where the old other playground was before, I believe. Isn't it >> currently? Yes. And my my question is, do you want it to go there and do you
want it to be that sign? >> Well, the problem with putting it there is Eric doesn't think you can turn around there. >> No. No. I mean, you if if you have it where it's at and you and you basically you would drive in between the playground and you leave enough space there to get around it, that's all you got to do is have access to go around it.
There's Let me ask you this. I don't know this manufacturer or whatever, but um obviously we want this lookout structure or whatever. Would it be something that we could possibly integrate the playground into that where you'd have kind of in the middle you would have I envision like these little
wood things that they get in the boat and climb up on and stuff like that as opposed to >> their material is uh metal and composite. I mean you can do a lot with them with colors and themes but it's it's metal composite >> and plastic. Yeah. I just want to think we couldn't integrate that into the the
the building so that they could actually if you had your parents out there fishing and the kids could be playing right behind you in close proximity as opposed to >> built in like park benches there something you know sit out and eat lunch or whatever you know underneath the shade >> that too but I mean if you have in the middle of that
>> you want kids out in the middle of the water out there >> you're on a deck no you don't want them on a deck out by the water >> I don't think >> in the middle of a a structure >> remember when you were a kid I used climb everything >> in the middle of which structure are you talking
>> again I'm not here >> I got a grandson I wouldn't leave him on a dock at all >> you want to put a playground out there on the west end >> no no no you see this big structure here and again I don't know what the how elaborate that is I just see the roof of it >> all the time
>> hold on let me see if I got a better picture of it yeah so if you look at page 136 >> 136 >> you're looking at this two-level structure it's got one you know these Chase chase loun is there. It's two levels or whatever. It's it's a fairly large
footprint a play area with >> the first floor of that structure of the playground. Then >> yeah some kind of again >> do you want a full-fledged playground like we got Waterfront Park. >> Wait a second. I don't even see how this is ever going to be in the city's budget to build something that big. It's almost
like we asked for a two-bedroom, two bath home and we got a mansion. So to even plan around something like that, that's not in our budget. Like Chris said, the city dollars don't go far. >> So why are we even looking at this as an
option? >> You wanted a structure there. >> Yes, but that is way beyond like I said, I wanted I wanted a fishing shack on stilts and what I got here was >> But again, you're going to have to have some amount of ADA capability to it. So
it's a So otherwise, you can't have that. >> But this right here would eat up our entire budget. I I cannot see construction in the water of this size, of this scope, of these products ever being somethingable.
>> I'm tell I don't see it happening. >> Again, I'm not What I'm saying is is that >> if you want I think you need to decide you want a playground, do you want a place to play? What what level of of of play? >> We want a playground. We want it in the middle of the park there somewhere. Realist
>> realistically I think that >> put a fence around so you can drive. >> Most people that go to playground going to go to Waterfront Park. They there will be some >> I do agree. I don't think we need a huge playground there. >> The one that we have there has been shut down forever because it's floods. It's just nasty and it got bulldozed. >> Fix it. >> I have seen kids play in that park for
years there. They go over they play in that park. >> And I can also want to also say we're looking at purchasing deep sounds really depressed over here. Uh the the the up the up the road which is closer to the development. where there's a lot of kids. That's where our deep injection wells are going to be. I would imagine
we' have an opportunity to probably put something there to use for for playground. >> I was thinking about that for parking, additional parking right there where the deep water >> all the way at the end of this road. >> Well, that's walking, but that is a long walk.
>> Sounds like good time to get some exercise. >> Oh, yeah. Okay, Chris, you park out there. >> But for the counselor, you know, let me let me finish this final part. So, because I know at Derek's this is this is a big a big item for them is that >> with the items that we're bringing
before you with these conceptual designs, we at least want your input saying yes, we want a playground. Yes, we want it about this size and and and we would like it in this general location because what we need to do is we need to act now on these grants in order to get these things into the process. I can't do that without a
conceptual design and at least a direction to go because if we don't have that, we can't move forward. I lose that grant and that money that we would save to build this no longer exists. >> Eric, can we agree to this? And if everybody, let me just try to hit this off a little bit. So Derek, we don't want the Taj Mahal out there on the
water. We want something much smaller than that. Something looks a little more like one of those fish houses. >> Did you call you today? >> We we do want a park for the kids with a fence around it. Okay. That they can Eric I think Eric got a valid point there. If I've got two, let's call it
people that don't know how to back up trailer pulling in there. They should be able to pull around and somehow back up into stuff without trying to tear out two fences in the bathroom. So, we need we need some kind of a small boat launch on the left side of any of those pictures, which means basically the top
picture right there on page 136, you know, if that boat ramp was right there somewhere and in the corner on the bottom left where that tree in the shade is, you see that there? Maybe some kind of a boat ramp right there that they could pull around and back into. The only practical place for a boat ramp is
in the top right hand corner on 137. >> 137. Show what you're talking about. I'm sorry. We're gonna have a we top right hand corner. >> We're going to need an engineer to tell us what's actually feasible out there. >> Well, yeah, they're not going to be feasible. >> And and you're you see with Nick's part just, you know, trying to permit a
pre-existing ramp is going to take years. This may take us out past, if we do that, may take us out past the life of the CRA. We will have to get that question answered when we ask an engineer for the >> I'm just trying to give you as much information because we're getting we're
chasing rabbits here. Bob, let me ask you a question, please. Top right picture 137. >> Mhm. >> Okay. Boat ramps right there on the bottom right. >> All right. >> You're saying that's the only place we can put it. >> Yep. >> Okay. Stop right there. Just stop. Eric said that there's no way to back into that. So, how do you back into that?
>> If you if you go out the parking lot, turn around and act like back where you are, then >> like you're going to leave and then you back in. Yeah. >> Yeah. You can bet cuz you go on the west side, there's rocks out there. Engineering that and trying to d you got some water where this boat ramp is and there's kind of a that's where they
launch kayaks now. I wouldn't even think about the boat ramp. You want them to work on it, that's fine. But we need they want their park together now. Leave that the way it is, the way it is natural right now. So, we want to put a boat ramp in later. You can do it. But let's get a bathroom.
Let's get the playground and get the still home started boardwalk. Yeah, as long as >> as long as as long as you plan for the the the the road to go around on the perimeter to park that leaves you options in the future. >> You've got you've got a walkway that you
can pave a oneway single lane. >> Yeah, that's >> that they can as long as that's there. >> Put a boat ramp in there. Then we'll pave that. Make it wide there. >> Yeah, it may. So, it may shift those the restroom and the playground down. >> We're getting rid of that green line.
>> I I'm making sure I understand. So, by doing a driveway, you're probably shift those down to the south a little bit, right? >> Just loop the park for you. >> I agree with you on the stilt home being a little bit to the north and and a boardwalk out to it on the north side. >> Uh because you don't want to obscure the
views and it's not going to interfere with a road that you want to put in there. Then I'd say off the north end of that st house, you want to put like this dock, this covered dock, put a little boardwalk with a little covered area if they want to go out and they want to fish or sit and relax and watch someone fish. Yep. >> You have a little area on the end of
that and you're done road. We can add to it if we want to. But there you have a park. It's not going to be not going to bust the budget. You've got everything covered budget-wise and people got the park back. And if you want to do a boat ramp later, you want to add to it later, you can always do that.
>> We had learned that the property line is actually to the north is really tight. It's basically that that main road line. So, we can't go any further north. I know at some point there's a picture of like a boardwalk out there. That's why it's not in here because we learned that's the property line. So, we can't go that direction with anything. But I
am understanding a perimeter drive. >> Yep. >> And then u and the kayak where it's at, we can leave the beach area as a future expansion of a boat launch. Right. Okay. >> The the bathroom will be a slab on Andre
flood a floodproof stru. And it doesn't need to be a very large bathroom. No. And and official said that was fine. Uh the playground where it's axed. I remember what the old one looks like. Is that a good size? I think it was a medium but large and small was medium. I think fine. Yeah. We're going
to put a fence around it. >> All right. A fence. And actually they're doing that for place like soft padding stuff too. No. >> Be great. >> Uh and then so the house style now the boardwalk straight through the mangroves. >> Straight through straight over top of mangroves. They're going to be they're
going to be six feet tall. And you're going to build this thing. I don't know how you mentioned something about Green Key. Is that what you're talking about? >> It would be great if everybody would go by. >> You know Green Key just like that. There might be an issue with that. We might side. Yeah. That
could be an extra permitting thing. We've got to work. >> We may have to go out where it is and and and go farther north, but the still home. >> I like to keep both options open if you know. >> I like I like that. >> That way we have both options open. If we cut if we can cut through, they might they may ask us to mitigate. If we
remove >> whenever you remove any mangroves, you're going to have to mitigate them somewhere else. I mean, that that's that's the first thing they're going to ask you. So, if there's an area that we can mitigate, and if they allow it, then then we can cut we can go ahead and cut straight through. The the issue that you had with um when you brought up the park
that it was either like that before and they had the opportunity before the mangroves grew and they put that in there in place or they asked they asked to mitigate. It's either one or the other. So, if they allow us to do that, then we can go straight through and then just take whatever section that we remove out and and replant them
somewhere else within the park. Um, but I would leave both options open of either going around or cutting through. Then that way we can talk to the engineer about that directly. >> You know, I like the little green on the corner, the 90° turn you make on that little walkway, that little green thing there. That's a pretty cool little spot
where you could put a couple chairs around there and somebody could just pull in there and just have Yeah, that's pretty cool. So the the man of this boardwalk since you don't want the green structure to the south. You don't >> I like this not through the main. >> Yeah. Yeah. We don't we don't like the green structure to the south that big.
But it can be it can be a boardwalk. We don't really need it. >> And that's that's my question. Will it still be a boardwalk because that will eat into the parking structure. >> We don't need that to be a boardwalk. >> I would leave I would leave that area natural. We don't >> the entrance to the boardwalk will start
where u all those guys go fishing now. Right. where that corner is cleared out. That'll be southwest. There's a weather station there, too. >> The weather station got decommissioned. They're not uh they're not going to be using that anymore. I talked to that. Oh, >> really? We can remove that. >> They just left the pilot. >> So, you can make that entrance right
there from the north southwest area. >> A question about the parking lot too. Keep the same footprint and just remill and restripe. That's going to be another thing >> for now. For sure. Yeah. >> For now. Okay. >> Because you need as much as possible if you're going to put trucks and trailers, whatever. So, I think I have a I have a pretty good direction with the current
grant and I actually I think I have a pretty good direction uh when we go to hard engineering on what you guys want. >> You'll get that handicapped canoe launch thing. That's a grant, right? >> Yeah, that's that's easy grant. >> Okay, cool. And we'll get the park grant >> uh that the playground seems pretty easy. We'll get it before with getting
everything >> keep the together and just drive and repaint. >> Yeah, we know where the bath is going. And so, this is exactly what this tool is meant to do, right? So, you see it in action. We'll get to the other part parks at some point, not tonight, but at least I have some direction we can move forward. >> Now, when you get used to familiar with
CAD drawings, you can draw this all up and show it to us. >> Actually, so this too, they gave us it's called Twin Motion, and they did give me access to the modelers. So, I'm learning it and the files. >> Awesome. Pretty cool, actually. >> So, you can change stuff. >> So, I can I I got a little funky still, right? But they gave it to us.
>> How about a little Grock action? Load these pictures into Grock and just tell it where you want the stuff to be and let it do it. I talked to Joey Deep today. He built a couple still houses out there. He's got plans for them. He's got your number. I'll give you his number, too, if you want to call him when you can.
>> And you can look at those. >> Yeah. A lot of these grants require an engineered plan >> that are going to look at the whole project, right? In the meantime, we'll just leave a beach area. We know that can be easily converted to a future
program at any time, right? At least there's a space to set aside. If it stays a beach for whatever reason and the boat ramp never comes to fruition, you at least still have like nice beach area, right? So that's how we'll kind of play it. It's all phase. Everything changes over time too, right? But we
need to get the park back, right? >> So you got what you need for Brasher. >> You got what you need for Brasher. So moving on to >> one more thing. >> Sure. >> So with our waterproof bathroom, >> right? >> Maybe concrete. I don't know. >> Can you put a deck on it with a little
railing around? Well, well, this is going to be this going to be slap on grade. It's going to be cheaper. It might have elevation. >> I understand that. >> SL on grade. I I don't have a >> What do you mean by that? >> It mean like an upper level deck where like set of stairs you can walk up and you can stand up there and there's rail and all the way around. You just look out the
>> small people's watch tower. >> I think that's going to be >> it might be cost prohibited. I have to see because it's going to be accessible >> footings. Anything elevated for the public has to be ADA accessible. So you have stairs and a ramp.
>> Yes, you have to have both. >> There is no way around it. All you got to put in an elevator and leave them on the ground. >> You cannot do that. >> Where all of that is at >> and when um and when we try to get these other components and we are going to need it right. That's what the grant
person has told us. So as we as we start to get these other pieces together, I think we'll be better off with the other grants to get the other pieces because they'll see that we're actually doing something. >> We're going to be as friendly as we can here for ADA stuff all the way around, right? I mean that's what the idea is right anywhere anybody can go so can
>> if it's a public accessible device you cannot limit ADA >> right okay >> and vice mayor that's if you look at a lot of the stuff we're doing even with the grants is it's we're trying to procure a lot of our resources through these grants or let's say the boardwalk when they when you guys look at the boardwalk I need to go look at a grant
for ADA boardwalks that go would go around those parks if you want because why it allows me to go after dollars that I don't have to build a boardwalk that we do want and if and the mechanism that I can get it through is through 88 compliance. And so that's kind of those are some of the triggers that we're we're working with and pulling. So that
this the dream does come true, but it but it's going to come in phases and it's going to come at in in in moments where we have you guys look at concepts to improve placement of grant funding. >> Darren said it best. We've accomplished a lot here today and I think he's got the idea of what we're trying to
>> and the ADA is generally much safer. Yeah, I mean it's safety features. >> And as we as we get the engineering plans together, you'll have more. There was a question about the green roofs. We're trying to be consistent in our parks for maintenance and look and so the green roof will probably be the item. The green metal roof would probably be what we go with material
wise. >> We talked to Daryl about maintenance, making sure it's not going to be any extra work for him and things like that. So we have that in mind as well. So that that's basically the end of this item. really present these and I just need that guidance for my very soon to be be
had meeting and then as we come up with these opportunities for the other parts or we get engineering plans rolling we're going to take this tool back out and we're going to lay it back out and we're going to start marking things off and doing exactly what we did here tonight. >> Sounds good. >> Perfect.
>> All right, great job. So, you want to go the other parts just >> No, we probably be here for two days. So I just needed those two direct pieces of direction. >> It was in the packets. >> You'll be able to chew on this for quite some time and we'll be able to >> when I looked over S looked like he was
ready to roll. >> 140. Let's go S. >> Two days was a you know I don't think I was I don't think that was enough time. But >> we need another workshop for the other parks. Huh. What we'll do is as we come up with when the engineering plans are rolling, roll
out your guidance, information on on how you want things to go. Very similar. >> These do help because we can look at them and say yes and no. >> I mean, you know, >> and I obviously the focus I think the very >> the first funding that we look we need to do. So I think we're
>> that's a good point. Yeah, that's our thought too is we focus on that part. Yeah. Can >> can can we get just a little bit of shade on that playground? Then so shade is incorporated in the grant and the the pad is incorporated and the the play structures. We're gonna see if we can might get him for some of maybe the
stylo and maybe even the bathroom. That's our conversation we have. Yeah. >> The kids have to go to the bathroom, don't they? >> I just want to make a I just want to make a point when we talk about, you know, purchasing and funding. You know, pressure hasn't been done since the early 80s. And you have an opportunity
now. Don't don't steer away from what costs may be because there is a a lot of money for parks and wreck. >> Yeah. >> Within the state. And if we work diligently between now and the next time we can get these projects shovel ready to go to the state,
>> there is a lot of money for this. So if you want this observation tower for the restroom, I would go for it. If you want this boardwalk, I would not I wouldn't I wouldn't back away from anything because you have something for design. you have this design built, then you take that as
a show ready project and you don't have to do it all at the same time. You do it in phases just like we're talking about. Let's get the restroom and the and the playground established and then we can work on the, you know, so I wouldn't I wouldn't steer away from anything. You know, if if there's something that you
want, vote on it, do it. That way that way we can always go for that later. And and the thing is you'll have that you'll have that design, you'll have those plans and you're saying, "Okay, we're ready for this. We just we're going to s we're going to get this money from the state or we're going to get it from another grant. There is a lot of money out there for parks and wreck. A lot.
>> I think the big thing right now is >> like this could be like one like you're saying we could do it in phases >> because you want to do you want to go out for a bigger boardwalk and a bigger covered area up there and another observation deck. Fine. >> We talk about phases. We talk because the boardwalks are touch water and it's
probably going to take time with the army corps. So we do upland as phase one. Maybe that becomes phase two. >> So take much longer. >> One thing we we had talked about too, um instead of having all these separate buildings, separate bathrooms, separate lookout, if we could combine the
bathrooms into the the structure where they're going to be fisher from and all that, if we made a bigger structure and included the bathrooms in that, that would also free up space for parking and other things. Do we need do we need two separate structures? I know the bathroom is right now located there. I don't know if we've looked to see if it's actually able to extend that out to the the water
and it kind of incorporate that together. >> I think because the infrastructure is right there, the lift station still there, that's going to be an extra cost. >> Water and sewer is right there. That's why. >> But if the cost to to fix that is much less than building a building there and you can actually have a nicer building.
I mean, I just I would look at it as an option. >> I I know the conversation was to, you know, the the bathroom was going to be elevated to allow views. Well, if you have that stilt house out at the point, you have view. And so
the other thing, right, you're changing the you're trading the view. We can do a cheaper bathroom that's within budget and then still have the opportunity to view because we're going to be able >> Yeah. Just like two. >> Yeah. It's shorts side to me just not to look at the you know what it would take
to put the infrastructure a little farther out and integrate everything in that one building because it's much cheaper to build a bigger building than two. >> You can't put one one one building on the water and then put a bathroom in there and connect them together. It's not going to work. You can't put a bathroom out on the water. Wake up. I
can't put my bathroom in the water. >> You have a twotory stilt house. I have a bathroom on the bottom floor. Stilt house. >> You could do anything, Chris. >> Oh my god. >> If you got deep enough wallet. Yeah. Work. Again, >> we talked about building something. >> I'm not asking to do this. What I'm asking is I want information to make a
good decision. If if we can have a a nicer look. I mean, that's our focus is not a bathroom. Our focus is have that lookout to be able to go out there. Obviously, you have to have restroom facilities. So, if you have if you can integrate the restroom facilities into a nicer lookout area, let's look at the cost. Now, are you talking about putting
a nicer lookout? Because the nicer lookout area, it's not going to go past the mangroves, >> right? >> It's past the mangroves now. >> So, you're talking about like running down the aisle. If you want to go to the bathroom, you got to run all the way down the deck and all the way over there. I don't like all that. >> Well, if you're going to look out, you have to run all the way back to the
bathroom over here. >> Are you restrooms? Is that what you're >> I think they want the bathroom to be a carousel. So you sit down and you just your focus for the park is going to be that lookout. It's where you're going to go. You're going to fish there. You're going to do all these things there. >> I'm okay with a bathroom.
>> You got I'm okay with a lookout place. >> We could do both. All I want to know is when when we make a decision, I want to see if if we if we need to do them separate. Maybe we integrate some. I mean, I want some options. I don't want just I mean, it's laid out now the way it's been laid out for years.
Do we always do we have to have a bathroom right there? I don't know the answer. Well, if someone's going to have a wedding out there, you know, you have you can have the bathroom on on a small bathroom by the playground, but you can also have a small bathroom on the >> We'll have to check if there's regulations. A lot of times, too, if
playground check this this, right? >> Come to us with information and we'll make a decision. >> So, we're going to we're going to go forward. We're going to work with the grant person. We're at the same time we're going to start probably spend some money like we did with Nick on engineer to answer all those questions for you. >> Yeah. The last thing I want to do is
come here and say let's wait while we're done. >> Okay. >> The lift station just serves as basically it's it's very shallow. It's not that deep. Just basically serves because of the distance of road. Right. So I mean could it be moved? Yes. If if we have if a permit allows, you know, if
engineering says yes, you can bring that over and move it closer to what you're saying is instead of having it in the same exact spot that it's been for 40 years, can we move it closer to, you know, closer to the water and like flip-flop move the playground over to where the restroom is and flip-flop it the other way. So, there's there are
options. And yes, I mean, we're only talking about extending it, you know, you 60 70 ft, >> you know, and like I said, it's the lift station is there. It's very shallow. It's just basically there to push to push anything from that spot down Coons Road. It's just basically for a force
main type of reason. It's not it's not too deep. It's not anything like that. So, it's if it needed to be moved, we can move it. It's you know, let's say you don't have to if you're going to spend if you're going to spend a million dollars on on one thing, moving moving a small shallow lift station is is not
going to be part of your big expense. I I guarantee you that. It's not it's not the >> I hate to bring it up. Uh, I again I need to make sure we're I'm telling her to put the playground. >> Yeah. >> And this is this is like in a couple days I've got to tell her because
>> we already passed that playground change. >> Chris wants a playground. He's getting a playground and he better be there playing on. >> I promise you. See if they have a push version. >> What's that? >> Eric doesn't have kids. >> Yeah, exactly. Yeah, >> I'm gonna have grandkids out there
playing on the playground. >> You got some grand kids coming. >> Me, too. >> Yeah. >> Me and Bob, we're going to be out there playing on the playground. All right. >> Absolutely. >> And just for the record, I'm all about playgrounds. >> I'm going to ask her, too. I'm going to say, "Do you have an adult playground?"
>> Yeah. I love playgrounds. I realize people have kids. >> One variation. We need an adult playground for us. >> Yeah. >> The only question I was asking again for the record is is Mars playground. We'll see. We have playgrounds everywhere. Is do we want to make sure we have one in every park or do you want to have a focus of different things on park? That's all it's asking. But I'm good
with playgrounds. >> Now, if you want to get Eric, we'll talk about a cat park. We'll get a cat park going on. >> Well, we got kitties over there. >> If I can put a plug in. I got cats if anybody wants any. So, >> good. All right. Do we need We don't need motion or anything. Okay.
>> Derek, >> jumping back to the agenda. >> That's it. >> Um, that's that's it. So, now we're moving on to old business. any old business. >> I got one question about Nick's part, but there >> before. Sure. >> Just a quick question. I'm looking at it and I see there's variation of docs there. None of them look like the ones
that I designed. So, what we're going for was the refresh, right? Because it's going to be fast. Even though it's going to be super a long time to get this going. If we if we do any expansion of that, it's going to take even longer. But we we have it kind of set up to
where you can again phase expansion add them in later. But right now the park is looking rough. And so to for the grant to get the grant moving uh to get the refresh that it at least needs a refresh. That's something that's
relatively quicker to do than go out there and try to redo the whole thing. We still have to get the submerged land lease technically because we don't have one out there. Uh, so that's part of what they're going to do as well. Your expanded marina could happen. It's not nothing's going to be placed here that's
going to prohibit that really. You could either add on to or or add on from the seaw wall. We tried to configure that the best we could with the parameters that we're with at the moment without having the submerged land leaves. We weren't sure, but they're Sant's going to work on that for us.
>> So, you're going to eliminate the the boat lift though, right? >> Well, so for this It calls for rehabbing the boat lift on the refresh. On the refresh to get so that PD and FD can get out of there and they're not walking on a rickety old boardwalk.
>> Well, they want to move it over. You don't have any water under there. >> And that's something that we're going to either got to dredge it out or move it. >> And they want to put it over by where the rescue. >> We're going to ask about dredging too at least just in that portion because duding is going to come through. >> They got clean that out anyway.
>> And CRA can cover that. We're Yeah. Because that's a public park, public, you know, purpose. Yes. So, um, we can we can incorporate that into the larger redevelopment plan. We can't just go out there and dig a spot. We That's maintenance. >> These docks here, there's only one that
looks like the similar to the one that's out there. All the others don't even look like what's out there now. So, I don't understand why you're going you're refurbishing it where you what kind of docks. It makes a difference what kind of docks you put there or >> Well, right. the the refurbish project is going to take take care of the
rotting pilings, take care of the rotting deck, take care of the issues with the concrete. The only thing that we're going to really add is the shade structure where those current benches are, the sunburn benches at home, because there's no shade structure there. That's really the only additing thing right now which will buy the board
time to figure out long term because that park that park needs help too just as much as we want to keep it together and keep it refreshed and give you all some time to figure where you want to put that that U ramp in the long term
>> and that goes back to the 5 10 15 20 25 everything's possible we just we got to we got to bite the pieces we got to bite them a piece at a time to get us to our instate which is we all know what we want and that's the direction that we're going in. Um there are some shapes steps that we we'll need to take in order to
get that that you know left foot forward, right foot forward and as we move forward you'll see it start to develop into those those images and visions that you have especially as we start looking at that form based zone. >> Okay, good. Moving on to ill business. Any old
business? Um, okay. >> No, no comments from the board. I'll start with my right this time by member Hover. >> No member S. >> Vice Chair, mayor.
>> No, sir. >> Member Burke. >> Okay. Well, I am going to say some things. Okay. So, uh, the first thing I probably should have brought up last meeting, but I think it applies somewhat to this as well, is our tax ro leans. We've got leans out on the book books
that we talked about getting with we got to get a policy in place with the Pasco County tax appraiser. >> So I sent an email to um Mr. King. I don't think he has been we haven't discussed this with him that something that Andy was working on but I don't think he completed. So I've sent the
email to Mr. King and I can discuss it that the first step is for the city to have an agreement with the tax collector and the property appraiser and then we do a resolution. Not hard. We just have to get those step >> because this next this next iteration of taxes I want those leans on the advant
tax ro to to collect those. >> Okay. >> Send the email while we were sitting there. >> So what were we talking? Yeah. Okay. >> Um so we'll make sure that was going. The other thing I have was I wanted to talk a little bit about the CRA residential grant program. Um I've talked to some folks uh in the
past and and I brought it up. It was, you know, Pasco offered that um that they would demo your house for free if you were affected by a flood. Okay. Um I don't know what line there is for funding for that because we're kind of separately and we actually take CRA dollars and whatnot. I know when we demo
a home um ourselves like we're getting ready to do on green um you know, we put a lean on the house, we put we spend those funds. Um, we have a grant program where they can do all kind of different things, new doors, windows, whatever, beautified property. So, my thought is
is can we consider adding to the grant program and still keep at the $5,000 limit, but that $5,000 could go towards a demo, um, a rebuild, a lift, any of these things that, uh, because if you're building a new home, you're getting all the things that you could have a grant for anyway. um you're getting and from
the city perspective, you're getting a much better bang for your buck because they're building a brand new house on the lot. Um so I I'd like to see us add that $5,000 grant ability to those items. Um >> during the during during the budget
cycle, you know, we're out of money right now. Well, >> yeah. And so during that we'll have to bring up during the budget cycle and we can amend that program at that point. And then you can choose too. you might have to up the amount that you all lot as well because it's probably going to be a lot more popular and I probably go
through it in like a couple months. This time I went through it in about four uh because it's gotten really popular. So we probably were going to talk about increasing that line anyway because you know I've only got yeah we still have several months left. Well and and so a little bit more discussion on that. So
there's some people have already demoed at their own cost and they were wanting to try to get that taken care of obviously um to go retroactive. I think it's possible it's not a good idea. Um, but if we open it up to where during a rebuild they can get that cost incorporated a rebuild or whatever. They're not going back.
They're going forward. Um, >> somebody who's already demoed in >> for those there's a few >> the money's gone. There's none there. We're going to have new money coming up and we can't go back and start. >> No, you're not hearing me. I'm talking about policy. I'm not talking about individuals circumstance. I'm talking policy. So when when we build the
policy, if we look we look at that um even though we're out of money that doesn't change the fact that the policy can change. It's just it's not funded, right? So we have we have a policy in place. I'm looking for a possible policy change to include these things and retroactive.
>> Huh? >> Retroactive. >> No, what I'm saying is is there people would be overjoyed if they could go back, but the problem is is you can't really do that. I mean, you technically could, but then So, the way that I would frame it would
be is that you could do it for a demo if you haven't demoed. So, you could request that. So, I'd be that'd be a pathway to some funding. Um, if you've already demoed, but you're building a house, there's in that in that new home building process, you can request it. Um, and it would be available. Um, or if
you were lifting your house in a mitigation standpoint, you could you could request it. Again, these are projects that are ongoing. um not going back, but there's so many steps in that process, the demo, the rebuild, the lift, or whatever that there's plenty of time to ask for that $5,000 grant.
>> I think it might be as simple. Right now, there's a line that says no new construction. I mean, you could take that line out of the program. That's my question. Simple as that perhaps. Uh but then you probably want to you probably want to have some parameters on that. >> Yeah, definitely. >> Yeah. Not necessarily if if it's new
construction because of a demolition or whatever, it's a mitigation type thing. I I would I would be good with restricting that, not just somebody buying a lot and building. That's different, >> right? There's a lot of those going on right now. >> Yeah. That's not that wouldn't be my my focus. My focus would be on those that were impacted by the disaster. >> And two, yeah, because we're we're
supposed to focus on summon light blight, right? And so most likely if you're impacted, you're and we can we can address uh we can preempt the uh scenario where someone may be occurring too. Maybe the building official is not quite there, but we can we can we can
kind of there's a section of law that kind allows you to identify that at this point to get that way and then you kind of get to it before it does get to the point where the building official has to step in. That's that's an option that you can put into the language as well into the into the new application. It
might take a couple rounds to uh change the program. So even if we don't have money now, by the time we get all the language figured out, it may be October one and ready to go. And then and then at that point you just got to say, you know, how much more money am I going to throw at this because it's probably going to be more popular. >> And that's not to say too, this is a
good segue thing is and I don't know where we at CRA budget wise or whatever, but we could always look at adding some in as well mid midcycle. Uh well, you really you really shouldn't. Uh it's frowned upon and we've done it before.
It's we we're we're we are working on our compliance issues uh that we've had in the past and I'm I'm being really uh strict on that. Uh especially we have a revenue auditor and they're going to have fresh eyes and and uh they they made it clear that they're going to look and hold us
accountable. So going >> we're coming up on a new budget cycle virtually anyway. >> We already started the kind thinking about budget anyway. So just a little bit of time we'll get to October one in no time and we'll be ready to go. budgets, you know, budgets can be changed. We meet, we talk about
reallocation. That's that's something >> for for CRA. That's not it's not the same as the city. It's it's very strict on the CRA. You have to change your plan. You've got to reallocate things. It's not as straightforward as just doing a budget amendment through the city. It's not the same.
>> Now, that requires a complete change in our budget strategy as that that that requires change in your your plan, your five-year, your budget because we have to budget everything. We can't say we're going to take from contingency because we're not allowed to have contingency. >> We have to budget everything. And so
that's going to cause a domino effect with your other project. That's why we really have to do our due diligence during budget cycle to really plan ahead for that next year to make sure that we captured everything that we want for that year. And if something new comes up, it really we really should be waiting to the next budget cycle to
address it. Well, this wouldn't be new. This would be a new aropation. >> Could be a new program language. It could be new numbers. Anything new. Anything new. >> So, if you decide to add more money to an existing pot because you're you have to literally pull it from somewhere
else, you have to explain that entire process >> and we have to address not only the financial part of it, we've got to address the plan and >> order effects. It's a huge thing. >> And again, all I'm saying is it can be done. >> It's
you can be done. It's just not ideal. >> Well, it depends on what ideal is to what your goal is. >> I think for what you're what you're looking for, which is going to require a change in the policy would be next budget year anyway. So, I think yes. Could could you do it? Yes, you could do it. Is it ideal to do it? No. Is there a lot of hoops? Could it cause trouble
with with um auditing? Yes. So, I think the answer is yes. But yeah, highly recommend. Again, we're closing, but this I'm just saying if if uh whatever how we look at that or whatever if if there's a if there's a need or something we address, you know, obviously that's because we're and I guess the reason
that I bring this up is because, you know, we're we're a while past the hurricanes or whatever, but people are still going through that process. And so, you know, if if our plan is to try to help those things, maybe we would want to do that. Maybe we don't. But there's a there's a path. may not be a
may not be an easy path, but if if we decided as a as a board we wanted to try to help those folks, there's a path there. But I think, like I said, we're close enough. I'm really just bring it up. I think we need to look at that policy because it's been brought up to me and it makes sense to me and I think we need to build we need to enhance that
process and if we do need the budget cycle to put more money in there to accommodate that or maybe we just open it up and we leave the same amount of allocation. Again, I'm open for all those things. I just want to make sure the policy is is better and I think we need to do that. >> Yeah. Well, and if that's the direction, we'll start kind of exploring that for
you. >> Okay. >> Is there anything else? I'll take a motion to adjurnn. >> Motion to adjurnn. >> Second. >> Okay. Motion second. All in favor signify saying I. >> I. I