--------- We're going to call the meeting to order. This is the reorganization meeting and a regular monthly monthly meeting of the Princeton Historic Preservation Commission being held in person on January 26th, 2026 at 5:00
p.m. in the main meeting room of the Princeton Municipal Building at 400 Witherspoon Street, Princeton, New Jersey. Pursuant to section 13 of the open public meetings act, adequate notice of the time and place and agenda of this meeting has been notice by
transmitting a copy of the notice to the Princeton packet, town topics, the times, tranonian, and by filing a copy with the clerk of Princeton and has been posted to the municipal website www.princetnj.gov gov/back/meings
and posted on the official bulletin board at the Princeton Municipal Complex, 400 Witherspoon Street, Princeton, New Jersey. So, since this is the reorganization meeting, the first order of business will be to elect a
chairperson and vice chairperson of the HPC. So, we'll start with the um the chairperson ro. >> Oh, yeah. Yes. I'm sorry. So, we should probably take a a role first. Yes.
Because everyone has been sworn in. >> Okay. >> Miss Satderfields, >> Mr. Shatkin >> here, >> Miss Howard, Mr. Shore >> here, >> Miss Freriedman, Miss Kroll >> here, Miss Kvnikova
>> here, >> and Miss Cavazolei >> here. >> Thank you. Okay. So, the first order of business will be to uh take nominations for the chairperson position. >> I I'd like to nominate David Shore for
chair. >> Okay. So, it >> I'll second. >> Second. Okay. So, then do we need a roll call for that or >> Sure. Okay.
>> Yes. Do I vote for myself? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Yes. >> Miss Croll? >> Yes. >> Miss Kosvikova? >> Yes. >> Miss Capazolei? >> Yes. >> All right. Congratulations.
>> Okay. And then the second order of business will be the election of a vice chair person. Are there any nominations? I'd like to nominate Freda Howard. >> Is there a second?
>> Second. >> Okay. And roll call, please. >> Mr. Shatskin, >> yes. >> Mr. Shore, >> yes. >> Miss Kroll, >> yes. >> Miss Kept Dakova, >> yes. >> Miss Capazolei,
>> yes. >> Okay, >> boy. Here we go. Um, Next on the agenda is um the appointment of the appointment of the recording secretary, which I take that to be Ian. >> Yes.
>> Uh is that that's provided to us. We don't really need to vote on it, do we? Or how do what's the procedure for that? >> That's the resolution I sent you. Do we vote on the resolution now or next meeting
or we do the appointment first? You can do it by resolution. So >> Okay. >> Yeah. So I would just um move the resolution. >> Okay. >> Now someone going to make a resolution.
>> So it would be a motion on the resolution to appoint the recording secretary. >> Yes. >> Thank you. Okay. I move to um approve the resolution to appoint the recording secretary. That's that's Ian,
right? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Somebody got a second. >> I'll second it. >> Okay. Can we do all in favor? >> Yes. >> All in favor? Yeah. Hi. >> Hi.
>> Um, I know we're pressed for time, but I think we can't let the moment go without thanking Julie for her 15 years of uh continuous service as as chair. We're we're having a changing of the
guard tonight in more ways than one. >> Thanks a lot. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Roger. Thank you, Julie. >> Thank you, Roger. Uh and if and if I would intervene, I would also like to make a short statement. And piggyback on
thanking Julie for a wonderful job over many years on behalf of not just this mayor and this council, but all the mayors and all the councils that you've served on. Thank you and God bless you. Um, good evening, chair, members of the Historic Preservation Commission, and
everyone joining us tonight. Before we move into the agenda, I'd like to take a moment to welcome Sarah Quinnland, who is attending her first meeting with the commission as Princeton's new historic preservation officer. Given Princeton's deep and
layered history and the responsibility we share to protect it, the role of historic preservation officer is especially important in this community. It sits at the intersection of history, planning, and public trust, and it plays a central role in helping Princeton
honor its past while making thoughtful decisions about its future. Sarah comes to Princeton with a strong background in historic preservation and public sector planning. Prior to joining Princeton, she worked with the city of Jersey City
as a historic preservation specialist, where she supported preservation review and planning efforts in one of the state's most complex and actively evolving historic urban environments. That experience brings a practical understanding of how preservation
operates dayto-day at the intersection of policy, development, and community expectations. She also brings experience from her time with FEMA where she worked on historic preservation issues within the context of disaster recovery and resilience. a
perspective that is increasingly relevant as communities think more seriously about durability, adaption, and long-term stewardship of historic resources. As historic preservation officer, Sarah will be a key partner to this commission, helping guide
applicants, supporting thoughtful and consistent review and ensuring that our historic districts and individual landmarks are treated with the care and respect they deserve while still allowing Princeton to grow and evolve responsibly. Historic preservation is not about freezing time. It's about
stewardship. Honoring our past, understanding context, making decisions today that future generations will thank us for. It requires balancing care with creativity and tradition with thoughtful progress. As Princeton continues to change, the work of this commission and
the role of the historic preservation officer will be increasingly important in helping us build a future that is rooted, resilient, and reflective of the values we hold as a community. On behalf of the council and this distinguished body, I want to welcome Sarah Quinnland to Princeton and to the Historic
Preservation Commission. We look forward to our work together as we protect what matters, adapt where we must, and ensure that Princeton's history remains the living parts of his future. That balance will matter more, not less, in the years
ahead. Sarah, welcome to Princeton. >> Thank you, Leon. Thank you, Leighton. Um, I just was going to make a couple quick comments in that only um, we have such um, constraint constraints on our time tonight. Um, I'd like to go into this more, but I've had an opportunity to
meet with Sarah several times already just to get ready for the job that that I'm taking on. And I would I would say that there are several things that just stand out to me uh from these odd different meetings we've had going over stuff, including just how do we put
tonight together? Um I I I immediately like Sarah's practicality. I think that's that's something that's going to be very important as we do this job. As as Leighton said, we're kind of in the middle of things with with all the change that's going on in the world and the change that's going on right here in
Princeton. I sense a deep sense of um appreciation for um her care and and awareness of historic um designs and styles from different times. And when I was in her office just now upstairs, there was a a great reference book on
her desk that um all of us who've studied these things before would appreciate that she had a copy of the Field Guide to American Houses and Styles sitting right there. And then the the last thing is I think that um Leighton's comment is is absolutely correct that all of us are stewards for
our own individual properties, but Sarah has a bigger role. She's she's the um uh taken on the stewardship of of Princeton's built environment and how that goes forward and how it copes with time and and change and and preservation. So, I think we're in in
really good good hands that way. Um, I do wish we had more time to go into this, but we need to um be out of here at a certain time tonight. I'm going to suggest that we skip the um appointment of subcommittees. Um Sarah and I went over that the other day, who's still
here, what's going on. Um and we'll get into that uh at the next meeting. And I'm also going to suggest that um unless there's anyone in the audience opposed to it, that we um postpone reviewing the minutes. Um it's very funny thing is we're very caught up in our minutes
right now but um uh Ian who prepares the minutes said why don't we uh look at either doing them at the end or doing them next time if if we need to. So that takes us to applications >> here >> and uh Sarah the first application for
66 Lee Avenue. We have materials but is there anyone from that property in present or >> I do not see the property owner. Um she said she was coming. >> Okay. Did you want to make your report on
>> Yeah, I'll I'll make my report as is right now. Uh it's pretty brief and I will go through the most salient points. I'm not going to give you all of the review criteria that is applicable. Um but I'll go through a brief description. Uh the applicant Ming Ping G has filed an
application for historic preservation plan review to modify the previously approved garage door and windows. The garage's new construction was originally reviewed under application number 18HP2024 by the Historic Preservation Commission as well as application to the zoning
board of adjustment per uh Z24468 per the HPC chair memo dated September 23rd, 2024. The HPC recommended the construction of the new garage structure to the ZBA at their August 2024 meeting. The project site is identified as block
6906 lot 17 on the Princon tax map with the address of 66 Lee Avenue. It is in the R9T zone and situated on the south side of Lee Avenue between John and Race Streets. The property lines within the residential zoning neighborhood of the Wii Witherspoon Jackson Historic
District as identified in the municipal municipal zoning overlay map of historic districts and buffers. Uh let's skip ahead. According to the wise preservation planning report, the Witherspoon Jackson historic period of
significance is 1830 to 1960. The house at 66 Lee Avenue is a 2 and a half story two bay vernacular dwelling with colonial revival influences constructed circa 1905 making it one of the earliest houses built in the neighborhood.
This dwelling is situated close to Lee Avenue, similar to other houses on the block with a garage located at the southeast property corner as noted by the HPC in the previous interview. The garage is not predominantly visible from Lee Avenue from the Lee Avenue
public rightway and the original review included the following details in regards to the garage doors and windows. The garage doors were Rainar Rock Creek classic carriage style house doors, two sets of eight wide by seven feet high insulated
steel doors with a stone white color finish and um four bucks on the door. The windows were Marvel Essential awning windows, six light fixed awning windows with a stone white color finish. Those specifications were included in the
agenda packets. I also have them here. Um, due to the unavailability of the Rainer Rock Creek doors and the limited functionality of the Marvin windows, the applicant is proposing substitutions with the following materials. An Amar Classica premium steel carriage house
garage doors uh similar in size and style except the doors now have two of the bucks instead of four and the windows are now same size but vinyl sliding sash windows instead of awning windows. Based on the photos provided by the applicant's garage current
condition, the proposed garage doors will be visible from Le from Lee Avenue. However, it appears the proposed windows will not. Uh, let's get ahead to my comments. Based on the historic preservation
officer report from the application 18HP 2024, the construction of the new garage was partially reviewed under additional criteria applicable for to historic structures. This was most likely due to the original garages demolition without prior approvals as well as the efforts by the applicant and their architect to
approximate the original garages design and fenestration patterns. However, as it is new construction, the commission is asked to also review these proposed modifications under additional criteria applicable to new structures and additions and alterations to structures not considered to store structures to assess their compatibility with the
Witherspoon Jackson Historic District. Furthermore, the commission is asked to consider the following. How the proposed new garage doors are similar to the previously approved garage doors in design, materials, and texture with a minor change of four bucks to two bucks.
How the proposed windows are similar to the previously approved windows in materials and texture, although the design and operation of the windows has changed from a six light awning window to a sliding sash window. However, as previously mentioned, the windows are not visible from the public right ofway.
whether the proposed modifications to the previously approved garage doors and windows are compatible with the existing structures of the Witherspoon Jackson Historic District and will not adversely affect the ambiance character or appearance of the district or the garages relationship with the dwelling and the surrounding buildings on Lee
Avenue. Uh, additionally, the HO recommends that the applicant match the previously approved colors of the garage doors and windows in a stone white color finish as that was not specified in the updated materials. Thank you.
>> Commission members, any um comments or thoughts? >> Um well, there was a comment that the materials for the garage door are the same, but they're not. It's changing from vinyl to >> you. Turn your mic. >> Your mic, Emily. >> I'm sorry. I didn't hear it. What?
>> Your microphone. >> Oh, it is on. Um anyway, the the material is changing for the garage door from vinyl to aluminum, I believe. No, the doors were both steel. >> I'm sorry. Excuse me. >> The garage doors were they were ste the
approved doors were steel and they're still steel. >> Oh, okay. I thought that they were they were originally not steel. So, >> and the applicant is here. apologize for that.
>> I'm apologize. >> If if you we just need to swear you in if you could raise your right hand. Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> Yes. >> Okay. Can you please state your full name for the record? Um, I am Ming Ping
G, owner of 66 Lee Avenue, uh, Princeton, New Jersey, and I'm the applicant. Great. Yeah. >> Okay. Um, a moment ago, um, our staff member Sarah Quinnland read the report
that I believe she sent to you also, and we were just beginning our discussion, but if you wanted to tell us something upfront, um, that would be appropriate. if you want to tell us something now about the changes to the project. >> Oh, uh for the garage door basically on
the new door will be the same size, same color except uh um on the original plan that that designing that was like four bucks. But on the new one, um it was like a kind of narrow rectangle on the
top. There are two bugs down there because the original one uh my architect put there. That one is not existing because that one I cannot find it anywhere exact like with four bucks uh
on the market and I search it and went to different places and uh I believe she made a mistake because even on their category there was no one no door with four bucks. But this one that that I'm
going to use uh that's a very classic one as well. It's only with two bucks. Yeah. And for the I don't know whether we are we are moving to the windows or I can share something why I want to change
the windows as well because um you know well the the the graduates building there's something just came to us my oldest son and his daughter both of them they they are living with me right now.
And my son um had a head surgery before. Basically his body and his right side of his body and his arm and leg uh they are relatively weak. So he always you know
uh if that's a sliding that might be easier for him to open the windows. That's why >> so the previously um approved windows were hard to open or they were fixed and couldn't be opened.
>> Uh the originally um window um you mean the the the approved one, right? >> Right. >> Yeah. The approved one is you have to like >> Oh, with a crank. >> Yeah. >> Awning window. Now I remember that. >> Yes. Uhhuh. But this one the sliding that's easier for him.
>> Okay. Um >> all right. Well, thank you. We were just about to start conversation um amongst us. Um >> thank you. Thank you all. >> Please hold on. >> Are there material samples? >> Just the manufacturers provided.
>> Oh, okay. Does anybody else have questions or comments? >> Go ahead, Roger. >> Um, I don't it doesn't seem to me a significant change. it. The the doors don't ne aren't necessarily appropriate
to the style of the house, but it's a very heterogeneous neighborhood. The house is next to a shingle cedar shake house. Um, it's hardly visible from the street. You can see about half of the garage from
the the driveway and and the sidewalk. I I just don't see an issue with belaboring this. Mhm. >> Others. Anybody else have a comment? >> Um I I I agree with um the assessment
that the door the the garage door should be painted the stone white color which was previously approved. >> All right. Someone ready to make a motion including um Emily's comment about the paint color.
>> I I'll move to approve this uh as presented >> with the paint color. >> With the paint color. >> Second. >> Second. >> Emily seconded. >> Is this a U or nay or a roll call?
>> I think a roll call. >> Okay. Thank you. Mr. Shaskkin, >> yes. >> Mr. Shore, >> yes. >> Miss Croll, >> yes. >> Uh, Miss Kepnova, >> yes. >> Miss Gabzolei,
>> yes. >> Motion carries. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> Okay, moving along. Uh in the interest of time uh though we seem to be doing pretty well so far. Uh the applicant did
request we hear 110 prior to 150. It is the same applicant for both applications. >> Excuse me, David. I'm sorry to intervene, but I would be remiss if I didn't make a statement here at this point in time.
The last applicant, we did approve the application, but I just want to make a note that this was an application for a garage at 66 Lee Avenue that was a historic garage and it came before this commission and this person was charged
to follow the law that the commission had laid down with regard to the restoration of the garage and did not and demolish the garage in Princeton's 20th historic district. I just I got to say that Okay? Because my feeling is if
this house were located on Hajj Road, that would not have happened. So, I've said it now and I'll stand by my statement. That's a problem in the Witherspoon Jackson neighborhood. We have got to put that in check. Thank
you. Thank you, Leighton. All right. Moving ahead to and and um moving forward, we're going to do um Uh was it 110 first
or yeah 110 now? So that's so um the applicant is here. Lisa, will you um >> swear him in? >> Could you please raise your right hand? Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> I do. Okay.
>> Can you please state your full name for the record? Um >> my name is Joseph Dalvo and I'm the owner's rep for uh Takaria. Did you want to um make a presentation or have us start with um our report or
just rely on the documents? >> I I can make a quick one. Um so essentially um I met originally um with Elizabeth and Derek and the team like 3 months ago just to go over the concept. um the owners are really looking to open
up um the storefronts to make it so it's more open air um just to give it a better overall appeal for uh the customers. So, you know, the thought was not to change the layout, but take those three panels that are the flat portion
of the storefront and make those accordion so that when the the weather's nice, they can open those up and it'll make it, you know, much more aesthetically pleasing for the customers. So that was the main thought there. Keep it the same color essentially when the when the accordians
are closed, it'll it'll look almost identical to kind of what is there now. It's also upgrading the overall storefront which is dated. >> Thank you, Sarah. The applicant did provide serial samples
of the proposed door and window frame. and I will go through my report while you guys are looking at the samples. >> Thank you. >> The applicant Dip and Patel has filed an application for historic preservation plan review to replace the existing storefront windows and door at 110
Nassau Street with a biffolding window and a new door of the same size. The site is identified as block 27.04 04 lot 36 on the Princeton tax map. It is further identified as 110 Nassau Street and located in the CBB zone. The property is located in the central
historic district as shown on the municipal overlay zoning map of historic districts and buffer districts maps on the north side of Nassau Street between Witherspoon and South Two Lane Streets. It also falls within the boundaries of two listed National Register of Historic Places and New Jersey Register historic
districts, the Princeton Historic District and the Kings Highway Historic District. The property is designated on Princeton's Historic Overlay District as a type two, which is defined under section 10B2, is subject to preservation plan review for any changes visible from the public right ofway, including but
not limited to adding pre-primedimes and pre-finish material. Uh, the Kings Highway District connects Lawrenville with Kingston through Princeton in portions of US Route 206 and New Jersey Route 27. The central historic district encompasses the core of the central business district and
several Princeton University buildings. Buildings within its district are of diverse architectural styles ranging from the 18th century through the 20th. The style of the commercial buildings along Nassau Street includes Federal, Second Empire, Renaissance Revival, and Colonial Revival. 110 Nassau Street is a
late 19th century three and a half story, three bay mixeduse building with Italian 8 influences and a storefront in the first story. The upper stories of the building were altered with a stone veneer siding sometime between 1970 and 1981 and the
current storefront has been in place since at least 1970 based on historic documentation from the Historical Society of Princeton and the 1981 Princeton Architectural Survey. The applicant proposes to replace the existing fixed plate glass windows within the storefront of 110 Nassau with a bfolding window the same size and
color. In addition, the applicant proposes to replace the front door with a new door the same size and color. There are no additional structural changes proposed to the storefront that would change its overall design as the applicant intends to match the existing colors. This is primarily a change to the windows functionality, operation, and subsequent visible impact on the
individual resource as well as the surrounding historic districts. And to my comments, uh the commission is asked to consider the following. Whether this modification to the functionality and operation of the windows preserves or enhances the historical and/or architectural value and character of the
structure. whether this modification to the functionality and operation of the windows would adversely affect the ambiance, character, and appearance of the historic preservation district and the relationships among structures and between structures and public ways in the district. Whether these proposed modifications are appropriate to and
compatible with the existing structures of the historic preservation district, whether the proposed modifications would adversely affect the exterioral architectural features and setting of the structure and its historical and architectural character. The HBO also asks that the applicant confirms that
changes to the windows are only proposed to the southern facing windows fronting Nassau Street as depicted on sheet one of the glass and aluminum drawings and not the windows contained within the setback entrance as the provided rendering is somewhat unclear.
>> Commission members, anyone want to um make some comments or ask some questions? Well, I I'll start with a question. Um, I I could not tell from the um the the photographs that were xeroxed. Um, but I I believe this to be true, but I'd like
to hear it that the existing joints in the windows that are there are the same position as where the folds will be. Now, I believe what is there now um is actually if you were looking at it is
two sections and what we're proposing would be three sections. And that's just because of the size that you would end up if it was two in that accordion would be quite large. >> Okay, got it. I don't know if that's a note you want
to put into the um in the materials that we'd like to that wasn't made clear. So, we might want a note made into the >> Okay, perfect. Other comments or questions?
>> Yes. >> Um, so the current windows, uh, can you open them or No, >> no, >> no. >> No, they're fixed. >> For the new windows, you should be able to open them, >> correct? >> Okay. All right. Thank you. >> Yeah. And it's just the just the three
on the face of the storefront. The two that return back to the door are fixed. Roger, do you have anything? No, >> I think I think it's going to be an interesting design. Um, it'll connect the inside and the outside. You have tables outside and the nice weather. I
think it'll be a nice addition to the the streetscape. We approved something very similar at the A and B, Alchemist and Barister on the >> the uh alley side of the restaurant. They have three doors that they open up in nice weather as well. And and
further to that, if you're if you're done, is that I think it's consistent with the um the uh streetscape improvement plan that we've been hearing about for a number of years and the sections for outdoor dining. And it just seems like these kind of windows
would make that whole um concept a little bit more real and very nice. And the other thing is we're not changing down the size or changing the angles or shapes that um you know they last 20 40 years terrific. If they need to be
replaced or whatever if someone wants to go back to how it was we haven't made that impossible. So I think it's a uh from a preservation point of view I think it's I think it's pretty acceptable. And if there's no other comment um are we ready for a motion?
>> Should we open to public comment? Oh, right. Public comment. Was there anyone here that wanted to um to comment on this application? I'm sorry. Okay. Hearing none. >> All right. Someone make a motion.
>> Um I'm happy to move that we approve this application as presented. >> Second. >> I'll second it. >> Thank you. Mr. Shaskkin. >> Yes. >> Chairman Shore.
>> Yes. >> Miss Kroll. >> Yes. >> Miss Kosvakova. >> Miss Capazolei. >> Yes. >> Motion approved. Um, thank you. And now we're going to move on to 150
>> Nassau Street. >> Yes. Thank you. >> Mhm. >> So 150 Nassau. Um hopefully this one's a little more straightforward. Um essentially uh what is there now? Most of the existing storefront is painted
except for the brick uh water table or Wayne Scott down at the bottom. Um and the owner is proposing and they've worked with PIP Inc. uh which is the landlord um to paint both uh 150 and the adjacent property to match um in a color
that's very similar to uh what the balance of the facade and the trim is painted. >> Um do you know um offhand uh if there's any um consideration for the type of paint?
You know, painting brick sometimes requires uh a special paint to make sure that you don't cause new trouble. And that's the only thing I can think of to bring up unless someone else has something. >> Yeah, it'll be painted with the appropriate paint, exterior paint. Um the color sample that I got uh is
actually from Sherman Williams. >> Oh, I forgot your report. >> Hi. >> So, I'll go into my report. >> Yeah. Uh, I did hand out the true color samples he provided as he just said. Um, so for 150 Nassau Street, the applicant
Dip and Patel has filed an application for historic preservation plan review to repaint the storefront facade at 150 Nassau Avenue. The site is identified as block 27.04, lot 27 on the Princeton tax map, is further identified as 150 Nassau
Street and located in the CBV zone. The property is located in the central historic district as shown as municipal overlay zoning map of historic districts and buffer districts map on the north side of Nassau Street between south two lane street and vanderan avenue. It also falls within the boundaries of two
listed national register of historic district places and New Jersey register historic districts. The Princeton Historic District and the Kings Highway Historic District. The property is designated on Princeton's historic Overlay district as type two which is defined under section 10B2. It is
subject to preservation plan review for any changes visible from the public right ofway, including but not limiting to painting or added other surface coloring to an unpainted surface. The commission is advised that changing paint color or other surface color within the type 2 district is not subject to review per section 10B2.
Uh I'm not going to repeat the historic district descriptions that I just told you for 110 Nassau, but I'll get into 150 Nassau description. 150 Nassau Street is a late 19th century Italian Renaissance influence three-story 4 bay mixeduse building with two storefronts
occupying the first story. The applicant proposes to repaint the facade at 150 Nassau, including the unpainted brick knee walls at the base of the storefront windows. Based on the photos provided by the applicant as well as available historic historic photographs from the Historical Society of Princeton and the
1981 Princeton Architectural Survey, the brick knee wall is a mid- 20th century modification of was once wood paneling. Additional businesses along Nassau Street have similarly painted brick andor painted knee walls including 140 to 142 NASA street next door.
The commission is asked to consider the following. Based on the historic documentation and current photos of the building, the brick knee wall is a mid- 20th century modification that is in keeping with the development patterns of businesses along Nassau Street. Whether the painting of the knee wall preserves or enhances the historical architectural
value and character of the structure, whether the proposed modification is appropriate to and compatible with the existing structures of the historic preservation district, and whether the proposed modification would adversely affect the exterior architectural features and setting of the structure and its historical and architectural
character. Any questions, comments? >> Yes. >> Um, I think the unpainted brick actually adds more visual interest to the building and there are other brick buildings um along the street. There's the 158, the Banebridge House, which is,
you know, all brick. Um, so unless there's any sort of reason um to preserve the brick from crumbling um I don't necessarily think that it needs painting. It looks nice um as far as I'm
concerned and sort of, you know, u blends in nicely with the other buildings on the street. >> Thank you. comments. >> Um, can can you just clarify everything will be painted this this one
color? Is that the proposal or are you just saying the brick is going to be painted this color? >> Everything below the trim, not above the trim. >> When you say trim, you're the cornice. Is that what you're referring to? >> Yes, correct.
>> Okay. So the where it says Princeton Convenience and and all the the the door surrounds will all be painted this one color. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Roger. >> Yeah. One question. Unlike the photo
that was submitted, the current uh bricks on the side of the building are painted like a dark brown to match the PJ's Pancake House color. Are they going to maintain be maintained as that dark
color or are you going to paint those white as well? >> I mean, I just looked at it and the Google Maps image. Uh, >> yeah. No, the the only thing we're painting is the brick water table below the storefront. >> The knee wall.
>> The knee wall. Yeah. >> Yeah. I don't have an objection to that. Yes. So, so therefore the the the two brown doors on either side of the storefronts
will stay brown. >> There's actually it I it >> the storefront doors that sit in. >> No, no, to the sides of the the one the one next to PJ's and I think the one on the other side, although it looks white in this photograph, I think
it's dark in at this point in time. Yeah, I think that's the entrance or one of the entrances to the residence above. Um, if that needs to be painted to match, we can do that. Um, and then PJs, obviously, we wouldn't be doing anything
at PJs. >> Yeah, I I don't know that we're advocating for that. We're just It's a point of clarification, >> Julie. Um, I don't have an objection. I know that the brick adds a different texture, but I find it disharmonious
with the other storefronts. I think a lot of them have been updated, and I feel like that makes it look pretty dated. I see why a merchant or a a restaurant or something would want to maybe clean it up a bit. So, I don't
know. I'm kind of kind of in favor of painting it. I think it would look better. >> So, we've heard from everybody now. Um I mean, I can try a motion, see how it goes. All right. I propose to approve the application as presented
>> with the door to the one unit, the one staircase that's on the left side to the apartments. >> No, no door. I don't think any of the doorways are being painted, just the brick. >> Okay. Thank you.
>> Just to ask the applicant to clarify the the storefronts were >> it's all the the >> 148 and 150, >> correct? So the door the door you're referring to is 146. >> Thank you. >> So that is not currently proposed in the application. It's just the storefronts of 148 150.
>> Anyone want to second that? >> I'll second that. >> And the uh comment about um appropriate paint for painting exterior brick. All right. So, we have a motion that's
been made. It's been seconded. >> Mr. Chadskin, >> yes. >> Chairperson Shore. >> Yes. >> Miss Kroll. >> Yes. >> Miss Kosvnikova.
>> Miss Cabazolei. >> Yes. >> All right. Motion is carried. >> Good. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> Okay, it looks like we're going to have time to get to the uh concept. We are
out of here at 6:30 or 6 o'clock. 6:30. >> Or earlier. >> Or earlier. I like that. Okay. Do you guys want to come up to the table? Is your presentation um paper or is it audio visual or what? Okay.
>> Yeah, that'll take up has the potential to take up. >> Okay. Can you hear me? Oh, yes. Right. >> Um, I will start talking. Um, so hi. >> You want to swear me in or >> Okay.
>> Oh, I'm sorry. >> I'll introduce myself though. Okay, no problem. >> Um, my name is Kirsten Thft and I know many of you. I actually used to sit on this committee uh many years ago. Um, I'm an architect in town and uh this I
want to talk about 22 Green Street which is a house that my husband and I who's back there have owned for almost 20 years and uh it is time to do some work on this house and specifically we have been thinking about the possibility of
actually rightsizing from our current house which I built on Lynen Lane. um to this house uh because our youngest kid is a senior in college and I've always loved Green Street um and our house is
getting a little too big for us. Um I'm mentioning the house because my existing house because it's a lead platinum house and we have solar panels and it's incredibly well insulated, etc., etc.
And my hope for 22 Green Street is to combine um you know a preservation of the facade and siding and so on so forth while also
improving it so that it is very energy efficient. um produces some of its own power with solar PV um and is suitable for whatever the next chapter of our
life looks like. So to that end um I want to do a couple things. Um the first is to put an addition on the back which is about 14 by 15 feet. Um, you can see it here on the on the front page in the
Exxonometric. It's it's this two-story essentially flat roof edition in the back. Um, I want to do that so that we can get a bedroom on the first floor and so that we can get an extra bathroom
upstairs. Um, I want to the the house currently has a flat roof and uh besides the fact that I don't like it. I don't like the way it looks. Um, but I also want to be able to get HVAC
equipment inside the roof. And so I'm proposing that I change the roof to a 9 and a half and 12 pitch with the gable end fronting um on Green Street. Um, and I if you look at,
sorry, I'm going to kind of skip around here a little bit, but there's a page that shows front elevations sort of in the middle of this set. Um, existing proposed. And just to address the front elevation, I'm basically not changing it
with the exception of changing the roof pitch. Um, it has I'm keeping the fenistration. I'm keeping the existing door. I want to replace the windows because they are uh vinyl and I'd like to replace them and replace all the
windows in the building with um Marvin uh elevate windows. The front would be double hung. Um I do have some casements in the back and and awning, but I don't actually
think that you see them from the street. Uh, I would be not touching the uh I would be replacing the siding on the front. Is that even true? I apologize. I'm not replacing the siding
on the front. I would be doing cedar siding um in the new gable, but I would keep the rest of the siding in the front because I want to keep the porch and I don't want to get into the can of worms that is replacing the siding on the
front because it uh makes the porch turn into a real mess. Um, so on the front I would be replacing the railing to match the house next door, 20 Green
Street, which used to be abandoned, was purchased a few years ago by the Hanstein, and they did a lovely job restoring the front of it, and then put a quite significant addition in the back. Um, I would like to borrow their
railing details. I'd like to borrow their lattice work under the porch to replace the sort of crummy diagonal lattice that's on this house now. Um, I would like to uh put brackets on the
porch because it has two but it needs eight and uh it looks a little funny without them. So, um I would also like to borrow the design of their porch brackets.
Um an a little oddity about this front porch is that there is one post that doesn't match the other posts. And uh the Hines actually used our po the the majority of our posts as a template for posts that they
got made for their house, which they then decided they didn't like. So, I bought one of those posts and I want to take out the mismatched one and match the correct post. Um,
so the front I think will look, you know, ex very traditional. I mean, it's a house from, we believe, the 1850s, though the earliest that we see it on a sandborn map is 1895.
But the interior trim and doors and floors um lead me to believe that it's significantly earlier. So, I have that in mind when I was working on the front elevation. So, the rear, let's see. Do you want me
to talk about the rear or materials? Should I focus on materials? You got a preference. >> Start with the rear. Okay. Okay. So, the rear edition, as I mentioned, is 14 by
15 um flatish roof. Um, it contains a kitchen on the first floor, bedroom on the second floor. Um, it is not going to be terribly visible because
the last thing that I would like to do is to build an ADU, which is a I'm calling a tiny house because it's only 250 square feet. The plan for that is kind of mid
set. Also, it's a studio. Um, that's all you can fit in 250 square ft. Uh, it essentially faces Paul Roberson. Um, and the reason for putting this back there, well, first of all, I think it's consistent with the neighborhood that
Honest Next Door at 20 Green Street have a garage back there. There's a couple of other properties that have garages that uh face Paul Robersonson and I would like to have it because as I
mentioned we're thinking of downsizing to this building and we do have three kids. Um there isn't quite enough space for them particularly if they start adding people to their families. Um so we wanted to have spillover space. We
also wanted to have a place where a caregiver could live if need be. You know, knock on wood, it won't be necessary, but um I've done a number of ADUs in town for other people and I'm a big advocate of them and I would like to
um have one on this property as well. So I don't think that the addition is to the rear of the house is particularly visible from Paul Robersonson. I think that the ADU is visible and I show that
on the third page where I talk about street views and materials. So you can see the ADU is it looks like a little house. um kind of goes with the
garage that the Huntstein have to the right of it. Um there's a fence there right now that's a chain link fence that I would want to be replacing with a wooden fence. Um Honest got approval for their wooden fence when they did their
addition and renovation and I was imagining I would just match what they've done which I didn't actually put in this set. So, that's a comment for myself uh for the actual review is that I should have that information in there.
Um it's a pretty basic 1x6 painted wooden fence. Uh you can see on the third page that I I show the two existing porch brackets that we have and the brackets that I would like to replace those with and
also add brackets to the rest of the posts that need them. Um I've called out the windows, the door hardware, the front door is staying as is. Um we need new railing. the railing's kind of falling apart. And I've shown 20 Green
Streets proposed porch railing that we would use. Um, as I said, the front would stay wood siding. The sides and uh the new addition I
would like to replace the siding on. Um, I have a photograph of the condition of the wood siding on the sides of the house and it's in pretty terrible shape. Um, I would also I'd like to just do a a
new sheathing, an insulated sheathing as part of upgrading this house so that I can have it last for another 150 years ideally. Um, so I would be replacing windows,
replacing siding on the sides. Um, I've shown proposed uh house color, which is pretty dark. It's the color of the house that I built on Lynen Lane and I'm really fond of it. It's called iron gray. Um,
you know, I'm the right now is kind of a slate blue, so it would be a little bit darker. And I'm proposing a charcoal gray uh roof shingle because it is quite dark and I think the solar panels, which are
black, would pretty much disappear against that. I've also shown um new porch flooring. The current porch flooring is a 1x4. No, it's not a 1x4. It's like a 2x4,
probably pressuret treated painted, um, planks with a space between them, which doesn't look like a traditional porch. So, um, a product that I've used on a number of other projects is called Aratus, um, heritage tongue and groove,
which is a composite material, but looks like, um, an old porch board. And I've included floor plans and I'm happy to talk about the side elevations if you'd like. Uh basically
the the driveway side. I will be adding windows. Um I'm trying to get light into the house. It's a very very It's an arrow lot and the right hand side of the house is on the lot line. So I can't change the windows on that side and
they're pretty small. So I am hoping to add larger windows at the rear of the driveway side which I again think are not going to be particularly visible from the street because our driveway is only uh 10t wide between the two houses.
So you don't get much of a sight line down it. And the last sheet I have solar panels um with an example from the US Park Service of a uh historic building in
Vermont that um was approved to have solar panels which are visible. Um, the article states that though visible, the panel panels have relatively little impact on the historic character of the property because they're low profile.
Um, I would add that they're black, the roof is a dark gray and it it's tough to see and doesn't detract, I don't think, um, from the historic nature of the building. Um, in my case, I would be
hoping to put them on either side of the gable, so they won't be facing the street. Um, and I would also like to put them on the flat roof in the back, which you absolutely can't see anywhere. And
the pitched roof in the back, which I also think is not visible from Paul Roberson. And Sarah just initial presentation. >> This is just an initial presentation. So
no formal report would like to make some remarks about what we've just heard about these drawings. Um, I'll start. Um, I just uh so that we fully understand the existing siding is is wood,
>> painted wood. >> Yes. >> And you're proposing to keep that at the front. >> At the front, yes. >> But to replace it every place else? >> Yeah. On the two sides and and the back gets an addition. So that would be coming off too. Yeah. >> Okay. Because I think that the ordinance
says to replace in kind, >> correct? Um, >> I've done I did one other project at 33 Green Street where I did use Hardy Plank um for the new
um and I think for some replacement, but I >> I think it's either repair or replace in kind the standards are usually repair rather than replace or replace in kind. Um
but also the deterioration of the materials if they're not repairable I think would also influence that decision. Um, yeah. >> We would want more doc. Yes. I mean there is Yes, we'd want more
documentation on that specific issue. >> Okay. On the just to be clear on the fact that needs to be replaced or what and or what I would be proposing replacing it with?
>> Both. Both. Okay. Anything else? >> Um, well, again, this along the same lines, um, the the front porch decking is currently wood, correct? >> Yes, but it's absolutely not an original
porch floor. I mean, it's like a it's like a deck. It's installed like a deck with the gaps. >> Okay. Yeah, I Yeah, I I did hear that. And just just one more question. Um, with regard to the brackets, >> um,
do you have any documentation that this existing bracket is original or not original? >> I don't have any. No. >> Okay. It looks a little fancy for the building. >> I think it looks a little fancy, too. It's a little >> I I suspect it's not original, but I
don't know. >> Right. Yeah. I suspect it's not either. Um, it looks a little uh gingerbread, you know, carpenter Gothic for the era of the house. Um, I think the ones that
I'm proposing are simpler and look, you know, look like they belong on the house more. >> Yeah, I Yeah, it would be nice to know one way or the other, but >> yeah, I I'm not able to find any
photographs of this house. So before I bought it, so >> I just doing a brief review of this, I did notice there is a house with the gingerbread barge wards down the street. >> I don't know the age of that building or
anything in relation to this building, but that is interesting to note that it is existing in the neighborhood. >> Right. >> Who else wants to >> in terms of replacement in kind? I mean, we made an exception in Mercer Hill with the seminary buildings, I believe, where
they had to they had to replace the frontage with uh the existing cedar and the sides were I think hardy plank or something like that. I in the in with Witherspoon Jackson where again it's so
heterogeneous. I'm not sure that we need to be so uh so much of a stickler in terms of requiring a cedar on the side. It would be nice, but >> the lots are so narrow it's hard to see
this the sides much narrower than Mercer Hill >> and and if we replace inking kind with Jackson that means replacing vinyl with vinyl >> right >> in many places >> or asphalt >> asphalt or or
>> so >> um can I just clarify replacing historic fabric in kind Yes, >> Julie, you have any comments? >> Um, well, I um I noticed we have a member of the public that might want to
comment, so I um I just want to give time for that. I definitely think the biggest change is the raising of the roof height. Um, >> and it would be great to see a a little streetscape just to
>> because I do know that um your neighbor has quite a tall house. >> Yeah. >> Very tall. >> Very tall. >> So, it may actually balance a little bit better. >> Mhm. >> Because right now there's such a huge drop between that house and this house.
>> Yeah. So anyway, that um to me that seems like the biggest decision, but I guess I'd be con uh interested in if there's uh other comments from neighbors and
uh you know, >> well before we go to the public, is anybody else? Maria, did you have anything? >> Um I have a couple of questions. >> So I just wanted to make sure. So for the um ADU, ADU will be facing um Paul Robersonson.
>> Yeah. I mean it's it's door doesn't get to face a street. That's part of the ADU ordinance. >> Um so but there will be a gate in the fence and some steps. So >> right and so for that there's no need
for any kind of variance and that's you know fine with the town. There are there are many variances required for this whole project because the lot is only 28 feet wide. >> So the buildable area of the lot is only 8 feet >> in the middle of the lot. Like the house
is completely um you know non-conforming. So, um, as far as the ADU goes, uh, oddly enough, uh, Derek said that I that he thinks that I need to get a front yard variance for the
ADU, though he did not require that for the house next door. So, yes, I will be getting an AD. I will be getting a variance among other variances, >> right? And this is um this has been our
concern you know I know in other cases and this is probably too early for now but so given that given the size of the lot and sort of you know the um the size of the main building the addition um the ADU it doesn't leave much place uh for
for plant for planting right so you don't you're not previewing like any sort of trees on the property or >> um any planting. I'm definitely hoping to put a tree or two on the property because I love them and also it faces the back of the house faces south.
>> So, um there's there's room for trees and there is room for there there is room for planting actually. I mean I'm I'm a big my husband in particular is a big fan of gardening. So um the the
increase in impervious coverage is less than 400 square feet so that we don't have to do storm water management. So it's actually not um it's not a huge uh increase in impervious.
Um so and and I'm not imagining that the ADU is going to be lived in by somebody unrelated to us. So, we're just going to have the yard to share. >> I have one more. So, and also forgive me
my ignorance. Um, so I'm looking at the um east elevation >> sort of existing versus proposed. >> Yes. >> And I always wonder so, you know, especially when I look at um houses that are built currently kind of like at the modern houses rather than historic
houses. So I always wonder about the positioning of the windows because when I look at the older houses like you know a lot of the time you see that things are you know kind of pretty symmetrical and there there's good proportion as I kind of look at a lot of modern houses I think you know function determines form
and so you end up with like a side of the house I understand maybe it's not visible etc but you end up with like you know windows of different sizes and sort of all over the place >> um and this is just you know me wondering whether
That's something that's good or not so good. >> Well, um I mean I think it's good. So the existing elevation has very few windows. This house I think was built in three stages. I think it was uh one room
on top of the other initially at the front and there's no windows on the side in that front portion. Um, then we got a couple windows toward the back and then another addition where there's essentially no windows except one in the
back, two on the side. Um, so they were pretty stingy with the windows. Uh, I kept the the three that are on the existing east elevation or I kept the two upper ones. I added a couple toward the front that are just punched openings
which are very typical of that era. And then yes, as I get further back, I took more liberty with larger windows because um it's a narrow house. As I said, I can't do anything on the other elevation because it's on the lot line. I can't
add any openings. So, I'm trying to get as much light into it as possible. >> Thank you. So, um, let me make my comments and then we'll we'll welcome from the from the floor. Um,
so what I understand from what you were saying is that the impervious improvement or changes are are minimal. That's not really our our thing. It's zoning and planning. But I do note that to get a really massive increase in the
amount of square footage in this house, it's this addition to the top and addition out the back. And in doing so, we're changing the character of what the
house was from the front pretty dramatically >> with the gable. >> And whether the house next door is as tall or taller, the impact here is changing
uh a simpler design to something that is very different from what it is existing. And that's what I kind of um that's where I'm stuck. Other commission members may not be, but that's a little bit where I'm stuck. Um it's a it's a
pretty radical change. Now, change is accepted in historic districts, but it seems like we're doing a lot of change to get a lot of additional square footage. >> Well, actually, changing the roof pitch isn't getting me any additional square footage. >> It's not getting you a third floor?
>> No. No, it's not a third floor. Okay. Then >> I'm I'm keeping the uh I'm keeping the top of the wall top of the exterior wall the same, which is at 7 foot6, I believe. And I'm just putting new rafters in from there.
>> So, what it gets me is um some extra height in the stair >> in the stair >> and in the front room. And then it gets me space for mechanicals. >> Yeah. Okay. >> So, it's not a third floor. So, the increase in square footage, this is going from about
you know what? Let me let me refer >> I didn't see a chart. I was looking for it. >> It's in the It's in the um You guys have the PowerPoint version and I have the whole thing. So, it's
currently 1,530 square ft and it's going to 198 square ft. >> Okay. >> So, 370 square ft additional.
>> Mhm. >> Which is, you know, basically a bedroom, a bathroom, and a walk-in closet essentially. >> Okay. So, uh, I mean, I think if you look at the floor plan, I I don't think that
referring to it as a massive increase in in floor area is is um really accurate. I was trying to be as uh I was trying to be as dimminionative as possible while still managing to get
the couple of spaces that are missing in this house. So, the addition is 14 foot 10 toward the back and 13t8 wide. >> Okay. >> Well, that would be my my concern until I figure out more. Um, I did go down the
street to look at it today, but I it wasn't a good day to look at. >> It was hard. From the from the floor, please. Thank you. My name is Yina Moore. I live at 19 Green Street. Um, first I'm going to say that I want to
know or ask the question if the HPC has developed sort of the manual or the guidelines for historic preservation at least in this neighborhood as was promised when this
designation of historic nature was granted. uh because what seems to happen on every uh property as Mr. Nuland pointed out, there is a a bouncing around and a negotiation that takes us
off the general intent. Uh not only to preserve the physical, but the character of the neighborhood that is embodied not only in the buildings and the details of the buildings, but the people um
historically who've lived there and many who continue. and for those who may be new arrivals to find uh suitable um and affordable housing. So
some of these questions seem to float around and not have uh a real set of of guidelines. I um pursued and have been pursuing for years and I applaud Kirsten
for all the work that she has done uh professionally in terms of uh lead certification certainly on her own house and other work that she's done. Um but it is very difficult in this neighborhood based on the orientation of the streets and the houses. Um their
short sides being on the north and south side. Um many this house has its south uh side uh to the rear which is may be good but um
as I pursued panels solar panels it was very clear from at least the former HPC uh HP officer that from no vantage point should this neighborhood appear to have
sort of these modern accutra moths. So if I wanted to have 15 or 18 depending on the ky w that I wanted to generate from my house, I had to pull back from any being visible from the street and
that included um vistas from Paul Robson plays. So the whole rear side and certainly this was driving down the street on the
west side of this house. If you see solar panels that would not be um in accordance with what had been um the dictate at at the time. Of course as Mr.
Shouts pointed out to advocate for something that may already be there like a vinyl fence is certainly not historic either and that does not um embody what was the historic nature of the
neighborhood but apparently guts approved routinely. So there's just sort of this all over the map kind of um uh process of review. Um and you know most
egregious as Mr. Nulan pointed out is that a building that had not been given permit to be demolished was demolished and now all we're talking about is a detail about a the garage door. Um so the bigger things are getting lost. I
do um have concern that this is such a small lot and while there is an in uh intent to expand the house itself um for the use of the owner, the ADU is
is a far stretch in this in this regard. um the the representation of its neighbor be having an ATU, which is not. It's a garage garden shed. Um
inaccurately depicted here because it's actually on their east border, eastern border. Um and it's probably around 200 square ft. Um and it doesn't have a bathroom and plumbing. it
um is on a much larger lot and all of the uh characteristics of that house were pre-existing um and certainly enhanced by by the
owner through um a very detailed um um renovation. And the building, while I knew the family that owned it, no one lived in it. So it wasn't really abandoned. It was like they had no one that was living
in it. Um the expansion as Mr. Shore talked about in the creation of the gable, the front both as a character um a front to what is the scale of
the house in the context of the neighborhood. You know, we have two big Victorians. That should that was it. Okay. Um there and and we have you know other houses but they're not expanding on the
front side. Um and even the house that was done uh by Kirsten down the street did not have a front side um expansion because if it's all about the streetscape that
is that is very important. I do question as Mr. Sure did. Um the uh validity of there not being depicted here a third floor uh because of the slopes of the roof and the likely
uh space that could be qualifiable um living area in that upper area. It's not certainly not depicted on on the plans. Um, I know my neighbors are concerned
not only about the the growth and the uh the extent of the development on the site, but and they would be very happy for Kirsten, his family to to live there as its
neighbor on 20 Green Street. But the ADU concept has not been one that has been successfully implemented in this town from the beginning because it becomes really a in many cases a a developer
boondoggle. So we don't really want to encourage what will be a property developed to be a a multiple income source that goes beyond um the owner occupant which is what ADUs were
intended to be initially and if that's what is being represented here that would be great um but there is a concern still to the extent of um its develop velopment as it relates to how the site
gets gets used and the and the height the solar panels that would be great but you can see it from everywhere and that was not uh permissible and thought to be in fact
there were some new products they were new but they're kind of expensive to say the least um that would be less I guess imposing upon a historic district the the roof tiles, but they
have not be they're less efficient and they have not become as readily available in terms of both its installation and cost. But uh that's what we're left with or we're going to have and and should justly allow
everyone just to have solar panels wherever they want them. and that would definitely change the neighborhood. Thank you. >> So, um, >> time for brief staff comments. >> Sure.
>> Um, I just wanted to kind of, I guess, brief the commission on my understanding on this concept plan as pro proposed and how it fits in our criteria for review. Um, our criteria for review is the
compatibility of these changes, not to obviously discourage any modifications or alterations, um, but determine their compatibility with the individual resource and the districts at large, as well as whether they would adversely affect the historic district or the individual resource. uh and if they
would enhance the historic character or charact architectural details of the indiv individual resource and the district. Uh for my brief time here, what I've seen of the Witherspoon Jackson neighborhood is a very varied
style streetscape where they'll be clustered, but depending on on the street like green, we've seen multiple different styles upon this road. Um, and our subject building at 22 Green, as the applicant mentioned, could date as early as 1850.
I would put it at its very latest around 1880. Uh, which is characterized by this steeply pitched roof. Um, whereas the building at 20 Green Street is probably more accurately about 1900 to 1910 at
the latest. Um, I think that should all be taken into consideration. If we are talking about matching the building next door or are we talking about preserving the historical integrity of the individual resource at 22 green, what are the character defining features of
the building? How does that contribute to the district versus how these changes might affect the resource or the district? Um, and just HBO's opinion, we have a steeply pitched roof here. It might be harder. It might
be harder to see the solar panels from the more flat roof. Um, and while it's not a third story, I would s certainly consider adding the gable as adding a half story, which would increase the existing height of the building from a twotory to a two and a half. Um,
yeah, I think that's it. Thank you. >> Uh, not usually. It's just the minutes of the meeting. Therefore, is there any any does anybody else want to to make any other comments that would be useful when they um when the minutes are prepared for the um for
the proposed building um when it's coming back for presentation? >> Um just one question about the big tree in the front. I think it actually is maybe that's on municipal property, but would that be affected by any of the
construction? Okay. No, >> because it's great. I mean, the street trees are important and they're wonderful. So, >> absolutely. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's municipal and I wouldn't touch it. >> Okay. >> Um, can I make one comment about solar panels?
Um Abel Smith uh was before this committee and did get approval for a solar panel on the side of his front gable which is visible from the street. Um
and I think um how to put this succinctly. I mean basically uh we're we're in a climate crisis. we're in an energy crisis. Um I'm doing
whatever I can to electrify um whatever projects I work on um because that is the recommendation from everyone who's in green building and uh electricity is getting more and more expensive and I
think that solar panels are critical to our future energy um consumption and I would hope that there would be some way of figuring out
how to incorporate them into historic projects. >> Have you reviewed the solar guidelines we have for historic districts? >> The what >> the the solar panel guidelines we have? >> Um yes, I do. >> I think >> if not, I can send them to you.
>> Yeah. I mean my takeaway from them was that it shouldn't be on the front facade and that was in the >> zero visibility is ideal minimal visibility is encouraged and yeah >> right yeah
so I mean this axonometric and the roof plan obviously are showing you as much solar panel as you could as you could stand right um when you look at it from the street you're not going to see the solar panel as much as
as you're seeing it right here. Um, you know, trying to be as transparent as possible about where I want to put it because I'd like to get as much solar generation as possible. Um, but I think that, you know, to some degree I've shoot myself in the foot by showing you
a a roof plan. Um, nobody sees it from the sky. You see it from the street. So, >> okay, I think we're out of time for this evening. Um, >> thank you. Thank you. I appreciate
>> one quick question. There was a a question on the floor about the design guidelines. Can anybody give a >> Yeah. >> Quick status report about that? >> Um, Julie Leighton and I are all on that committee. Um, they are in the works. They have been worked on for probably six or seven months now.
>> Yes. Um we do it chapter by chapter um with with revision and input for where we want it refined. Uh the consultant who's doing it for us I think is um getting the language and the feel for Princeton in particular. Um and I
think each time we we are uh pretty pleased with the product that we get. Oh, Justin's also on that committee uh while they're being written. So I think it's still another four to six months before they'll really be done or Yeah, I think that's a good time frame,
but I agree um with what you said. It this is an exciting project for a person who who lives here already in a historic district or one who may be considering moving or has recently moved. You have uh crib crib notes, uh a cheat sheet
where you can look uh at what you want to do, whether it's window porches, I'm learning a lot, sashes, whatever it is, and you'll have illustrations and pictures that will give you guidance and help you navigate through it. It is a lot of fun and it will be ready I I'll
say six months, but maybe before that. That right, Justin? Yeah. But it's a lot of fun. Thanks for the question, Yina. any anything else? >> Well, thank you. I think we're supposed to scoot out of this room now. Um, future meetings will not be um
constrained by time, so we'll be able to put a little more time into it, but um thank you, Kristen, for getting it out as quickly as you could. Um, I didn't think we'd get this far. >> All right. Thank you very much. >> Yep. All right. Um um motion to adjurnn.
>> Uh you got it. Okay. I think it was Emily and I'll second. >> Very good. All in favor? Part: 2
Everybody, uh, thanks for joining our meeting. It is January 27th, 2026. This is a meeting of the mayor and council of Princeton, New Jersey. Madame clerk, could we have the meeting statement, please? Notice of this meeting was provided in
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show appreciation, respect, and concern for all peoples and our environment. We honor the Lapi and other indigenous caretakers of these lands and waters, the elders who lived here before, the indigenous today, and the generations to come. >> Thank you. We have roll call, please.
>> Mr. McDonald, >> here. >> Mr. Cohen >> here, >> Miss Peron Lamrose >> here, >> Miss Saxs >> here, >> Miss Frogga >> here, >> Mr. Nulan >> here, >> Mayor Freda >> here. >> All right, if you're able and like to stand and join us in the pledge of allegiance,
>> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Thank you. All right. First up, we have two sets of
minutes to approve. If there's no questions on them, somebody could move them both at the same time. Thank you, Leticia. Michelle has the second. All in favor, please say I. >> I. >> I. I.
>> Okay. Announcements. Council announcements, reports. All righty. >> Uh, I'm sorry. Go ahead. >> Sorry. I I uh mentally checked out for 10 seconds. I do have some announcements.
>> Glad you checked back in. >> Uh, the first thing I wanted to do is thank the um, Department of Public Works staff for uh, remarkable work over the past uh, I guess it's three days now. Um, the roads are in good shape. I
understand uh everybody was here. Uh few people got much sleep and um I just wanted to express my gratitude uh to the hardworking team that uh did such a good
job clearing the I guess it turned out to be 11 inches of snow, the highest in Mercer County. and uh hopefully um they're done for the year, but the forecast for the weekend looks a little questionable.
Um second thing I wanted to do was uh say a few words um about uh the recck department. I also want to thank them uh as they have a sevenperson crew um and
uh about uh seven or eight vehicles that supplement the work of department of public works and they also worked very hard and deserve to be acknowledged for uh their efforts. Um uh I attended my first reccomission
meeting last week and uh Evan uh thanked two departing uh commission members who are not there and I think it's really um important for us to uh publicly show our gratitude to
individuals who have done great things um for the municipality. So, I want to recognize uh Mia Cahill, who served for 13 years. Um, she was instrumental in multiple wreck projects during her tenure, including the addition of
pickleball courts, lease negotiations with uh PTP and back when the commission handled that and was on the subcommittee for the CP South redesign project. The second person um who while he only served for
two years uh it was uh he he's a very distinguished member of the community, Tariq Parker um who has the distinction of being the only person to be a recreation camper, part-time wreck employee, full-time wreck employee, and
recreation commission member. Um he is currently out in Ohio, but we hope uh he will find his way back at some at some point. And uh last thing I wanted to note is uh I am the proud
I'm not quite sure what the right word is. I'm going to go with uh adoptive parent. >> Adopt I'm I'm a adoptive parent of four of our storm water drains. And um if
anybody uh up here or in the audience or on Zoom would like their own bag of storm drain swag, um it's still possible to sign up. And um in addition to this incredible bonus, you also get to name
your drain or drains. Um so I I just wanted to uh encourage more people to do that. And lastly, um, as a reminder, uh, for all those people who are, uh, think they're done shoveling, um, if you've
done your driveway and walks and the walks around your house, please also shovel the fire hydrants uh, near you. In the event of an emergency, we want our fire department professionals to have quick and easy access to those
hydrants. >> Thank you, Brian. Yeah, I just have a actually a question for Brian or someone uh with uh the expertise to answer this with the storm drain adoptions. Are there particular
requirements or responsibilities when there's snow covered? I mean, is it is there anything that is supposed to be done in those instances or is it really just about leaves and >> um I I read the uh materials thoroughly and
don't think that was covered so I deferred to Deanna. >> Thank you for inquiring. Um we do not have any stated requirements for maintenance during snow. Um, I think
more than anything, just use your common sense and be safe if you do choose to do something, some type of maintenance. I I would say though that if you've adopted a drain and it is snow covered
and the weather might eventually warm up at some point, it would be good to make sure if there's still snow on it to clear it because that water needs to go somewhere. And even though the whole idea of this program is to remove leaves and all that sort of stuff in the nice weather, in the cold weather, when the
weather changes, it would be just as important. >> Couldn't hurt. >> No, I'm glad you asked the question. It's a good thing to stress. >> And Brian, we're eager to hear what the names you come up with for your drains at some point. >> Well, I I can share that. I did not win
the contest for creativity. Well, I think we might not have had the contest yet, but that's something we're talking about. Uh, but um I cleverly used the name of the street that I live on and named them one, two, three, and four.
>> Wow. Who would have thought? >> And only 5% of our drains have been adopted. So, please, there's quite a few out there that that need an adopter. >> Okay. Thank you. Other council
announcements are I'm sorry. Lately, >> I've been thinking about doing this, so I'll just say publicly now, I will take a bag of swag and adopt the drain at the corner of 206 and Birch Avenue. Thank you,
>> my man. Thank you. Okay. Um, one thing on the agenda tonight, the sixth resolution, resolution 26043, we're just going to move that to the end of the list of resolutions, and that'll be handled as number nine instead of
number six, and the other ones move up one. Uh, okay. I'm sorry. Any other announcements or reports up here? Okay, Chief, I think you're on for the uh monthly report. >> That's correct. Thank you, Mayor and members of council. This evening, I'm
presenting the December 2025 Police Monthly report. Before I begin, I want to provide some clarification regarding an item that was brought to my attention from Councilman Cohen. On the second to last page of the report, you're going to find our motor vehicle crash statistics. Under total
fatal crashes for 2025, the value of one is listed. However, that same fatal motor vehicle crash should also have been reflected in the category immediately above it under crashes involving pedestrians as the crash in question did involve a pedestrian. So, that emission was an oversight and we want to uh make sure it's uh corrected
accordingly. While also looking into uh that item raised by Mr. Cohen, I also noted that this is in actuality. We actually had two fatal motor vehicle collisions in 2025, both involving pedestrians. The
other wasn't an oversight. It was just the records team following uh NJR1 police crash report guidelines and it had to do with the amount of time that uh occurred between the time the incident happened and when uh the victim succumbed to injury. So like I said in
in actuality I think it's important that we remember we had two motor vehicle crashes involving pedestrians and we keep that in mind as we turn our attention to trying to solve some of the traffic safety issues uh in the future. I'd like to briefly highlight a few other things of note on the December uh
police report. I'm extremely pleased to report that the police department has received several generous donations from community members that have allowed us to restart the Princeton PD provide your DD program. Thanks to this support, we're officially able to relaunch the
program and we did it just in time for New Year's Eve. We are already seeing residents take advantage of this valuable public safety service. We want to thank the members of our community who contributed to the effort and we will continue to partner with them in helping us keep Princeton safe. I would
also like to extend my appreciation to our elected officials who not only supported this initiative but actively advocated for the financial assistance necessary to get it going again. This program is a great example of the community elected leadership and the
police department working together toward a shared goal of public safety. We will continue to try to identify sustainable funding opportunities for this program as we go to the future. Also, earlier in December, we experienced our first winter weather event of the season. We followed that by
another round of significant winter weather this past weekend. I believe this is the same weather that Councilman McDonald brought up earlier. As we move into the winter, additional inclement weather is certainly likely. With that in mind, I want to remind residents of two important requirements. During snow
events, vehicles must be removed from municipal roadways so our dedicated team at the Department of Public Works can safely and effectively plow and clear the streets. In addition, our municipal ordinance requires that sidewalks be cleared of snow and ice within 24 hours
after the conclusion of a winter storm event, ensuring that safe passage of pedestrians through our community. Lastly, earlier this month, the police department implemented a departmental reorganization which included allocating additional staffing to both our traffic
safety bureau and our community relations bureau. These are two critically important areas that are central to our mission. This enhanced focus and staffing will allow us to more proactively address traffic safety concerns across Princeton while also
continuing to strengthen trust, engagement, and partnerships with all members of our community. So, thank you and I'm happy to answer any questions. >> Thank you, Chief. Any questions for the chief? >> David? Yeah, not so much a question, but
I just wanted to um express my appreciation for the renewed and heightened focus on uh traffic safety and neighborhood policing. I think uh I've I've been strong in telling both
Tom Murray and and uh Mike um Strobel that I think their job is actually the most important job on the police force in Princeton. And the reason why is because we have more deaths that are traffic related than from any other uh
cause. And so to the to the extent that uh a human life is sort of infinitely valuable, I think that that makes that such an important task and I'm really appreciative of your support to bring focus from the very top.
>> Thank you, Councilman Cohen. Again, we have a dedicated traffic safety bureau that is now, uh, supervised by Sergeant Don Matthews, um, who's continuing to learn in that new role, but is absolutely dedicated to continuing the efforts and, um, great work that Mike
Strobble did previously. So, I know he's up to the challenge. >> Thank you. >> Yes, sir. Chief, I just want to say thank you for, you know, the time you've been here, the short amount of time you've been here.
Uh, I think I and others can easily see that you just didn't take over what you've seen and sort of the history of policing and departments in America. You have brought a new vision to the department and I want to let you know that I see it and I have a sense that everything is going really well right
now. And as you know, we're in a difficult time in America. And I just wish you well and your department well and and charge you with uh paying attention to what's going on in Minnesota and making sure that we here in Princeton have a different way of
doing business. Okay. Thank you. >> I appreciate that. And again, we work with uh all of our municipal partners to support all members of the community. But I appreciate that. >> Thank you. Okay. Okay, next up are ordinance introductions. And just a reminder, we
don't discuss the ordinance introductions because there's a public hearing further on afterwards. The first ordinance introduction Michelle will introduce uh just in case uh there could be an appearance of a conflict of interest for me on that one. So, Michelle will introduce that one and
then I'll do the others. >> Okay. Ordinance 26-01, an ordinance of the municipality of Princeton amending chapter B17A entitled land use and zoning of the municipality of Princeton to create the
affordable housing district 10 AH10 in furtherance of the Fair Housing Act public hearing February 9th, 2026. It's a roll call vote. Get a motion in a second. >> Oh, thanks. Can I have a motion, please?
Leticia and a second. >> Leighton. Thank you. >> It's a roll call vote now. Thank you. >> Mr. McDonald, >> yes. >> Mr. Cohen, >> yes. >> Miss Pearl Ambrose. >> Yes. >> Miss Saxs, >> yes. >> Miss Braa, >> yes. >> Mr. Newan,
>> yes. Next up, ordinance 2602, an ordinance of the municipality of Princeton amending ordinance number 2025-15 creating the affordable housing district-14 ah-14 of chapter T1 T10B entitled land use of
the municipality of Princeton public hearing February 9th, 2026. If someone would move that thank you, Leticia, if there's Brian has the second roll call vote on that, too. >> Mr. McDonald, >> yes. >> Mr. Cohen, >> yes. Yes. Miss P L A L A L A L A L A L A L A L A L A L Ambrose. >> Yes. >> Miss Saxs.
>> Yes. >> Miss Frogga. >> Yes. >> Mr. Nulan. >> Yes. >> Ordinance 2603, an ordinance of the municipality of Princeton amending chapter T10B entitled land use of the municipality of Princeton to create the affordable housing district 15 AH15 in
furtherance of the Fair Housing Act. The public hearing will be February 9th, 2026. Thank you. Letia Leighton has the second roll call vote. >> Mr. McDonald. >> Yes. Mr. Cohen, >> yes. >> Miss Peron Lambro, >> yes. >> Miss Saxs, >> yes.
>> Miss Frogga, >> yes. >> Mr. Nulan, >> yes. >> Okay. Resolutions. First one, resolution 26038, resolution of the mayor and council of Princeton authorizing the award of a professional services agreement to Scarinsky Hollandback LLC
for environmental, legal, and litigation services for an amount not to exceed $150,000. Is there a motion on that? Thank you, Brian. David's got the second questions or comments.
Can we Bernie, can we just have an an update as to where we're headed on this thing >> as far as the litigation? >> Yeah, like how much have we spent? What are >> So, to date, uh, we have paid for the litigation, we've paid them more because they were involved in the cleanup. For
the litigation itself is $42,1320. That's what we've paid them. Uh, but I'll I'll get an update. uh from council on that. >> Okay. And the the hope is that this litigation would force one of our insurance carriers to pay us a million
dollars in coverage that they had balked on and that obviously we'll be keeping an eye on how much we're spending to make sure we don't outspend any possible positive income. >> Correct. >> Okay. Thank you. I just want to make sure we got because I know >> some of us had received questions on
this one. >> Any other questions or comments? All right. All in favor, please say I. >> I. >> I. >> Resolution 26039, resolution of the mayor and council of Princeton authorizing the award of a contract with Interstate Waste Services
of New Jersey, Inc. for option number one, solid waste and bulk waste collection utilizing contractor supplied 64gallon carts for the fourth year of a five-year term for an amount not to exceed $1,525,645. Is it? Thank you. Jia's got the motion.
Brian's got the second. Questions or comments? All right. Seeing none, all in favor, please say I. >> I. >> I. >> Resolution 26040, resolution of the mayor and council of Princeton authorizing the award of a professional services agreement to KG
Law Group LLC to serve as municipal prosecutor in 2026 for an amount not to exceed $78,000. Thank you. Let's got the motion. And Leightton's got the second. Questions or comments? I see none. All in favor, please say I. >> I.
>> Resolution 26041, resolution of the mayor and council of Princeton authorizing the award of a professional services agreement to the law office of Douglas Herring to serve as the public defender for 2026 for an amount not to exceed $57,500.
Leighton has the motion and >> Michelle has the second. Thank you very much. Questions or comments? All right. Seeing none, all in favor, please say, "I." >> I. I. >> Resolution 26042, resolution of the mayor and council of Princeton authorizing the award of a professional
services agreement to Princeton Hydro LLC for phase three of a stormwater utility feasibility study for an amount not to exceed $256, $100. David's got the motion. Mia's got the
second. Questions or comments? All right. I I thought we were going to have a little more of a presentation on this before we voted on it. I know we talked about it last time, but Okay. Any no questions or comments? All right. All
in favor say I. >> I. >> I. Resolution 26044, a resolution of the mayor and council of Princeton authorizing the purchase of goods or services through the state of New Jersey contracts and cooperative purchasing in 2026.
If Leighton, thank you. Is there a second? Thank you, Michelle. Questions or comments? I see none. All in favor, please say I. >> I. >> I. Resolution 26045, resolution of the mayor and council of Princeton authorizing the execution of an
encroachment agreement with the Rotary Club of the Princeton Carter for installation and maintenance of signage in certain areas of the Princeton right away on Mercer Street and Great Road. Michelle's got the motion, David's got the second. Questions or comments? I have a question and um Diana hopefully I
meant to ask you before uh just uh it because it wasn't specified um and because it wasn't specified it may not be an issue but I just wanted to make sure that the signage is not going to be
mounted on any of our municipal signs. Correct. Okay. the uh very loud today. Uh the signs will be freestanding on separate posts from our welcome to Princeton signs. Okay. And and I only
asked it because I saw pictures of perhaps future signs that actually showed pictures of the welcome to Princeton signs uh in the p in the packet that we received. So I just want to make sure that that will not be an issue.
>> Yeah, they're not mounted on. >> Okay. Yeah, there it's definitely on um separate signposts. >> Okay, thank you. >> Other questions? >> All right, seeing none, all in favor, please say I. >> I.
>> Resolution 26046, resolution of the mayor and council of Princeton authorizing the Arts Council of Princeton to hold an outdoor art market fair on Saturday, May 2nd, 2026. Leticia has got the motion. Michelle's got the second. Questions or comments up here?
Brian, yes. Um, uh, this is a wonderful event. Last year, we did get a couple of expressions of concern related to, uh, how the street closure is noticed to local residents. And I I I
understand that that obligation falls on is it Palmer Square? Um, so I just want to make sure we and the arts council provide whatever notice is appropriate and uh that if somebody has a concern,
it would then be addressed to Palmer Square who's the >> Yeah. And we and last year we actually confirmed with Palmer Square management that they had notified all of their residents and some people chose to
>> ignore such notice. mayor and we did reach out to Palmer Square Management ahead of tonight's meeting to let them know this would be on. Yeah. >> Right. So, yeah. Yeah. And P and Yes, I would say Palmer Square Management has become much more of a partner in uh
endorsing this event than they might have been a couple years ago. Um I don't know that you need to say anything, but do you want to >> Okay, smart move. All in favor, please say I. >> I. I. >> I. >> Okay. All right.
>> Uh Michelle's going to take over the meeting. You're going to go back to resolution 26043. You're then going to do the consent agenda and then you're going to do public comments for items not on the agenda. I should not physically be in the room during the discussion on the resolution Michelle's
going to take you through. So, you are going to give me a minute to gather my stuff and sorrowfully leave the meeting early, but I will get over it. I will be home before you guys leave.
>> Good night. >> Okay. Uh resolution 26-043 resolution of mayor and council of Princeton authorizing the execution of a professional service agreement for special counsel services in connection
with pending litigation with Dotus Fitzpatrick Cole and Giblin not to exceed 17,500. May I have a motion on this? I move Leticia and a second. Brian, any discussion?
>> David. >> Yeah, I just want to confirm that um authorizing this expenditure does not obligate us to expend the entire amount depending on what the needs are. >> That's always my understanding with the
not to exceed >> Yeah. >> agreement. There's an agreement, right? Yeah. >> Yeah. for the work they do. Obviously, they will bill hourly and and we're not obligated to make them reach that number. Yeah. >> Got it. >> Good question. Any other questions, comments? Leon,
>> this this agreement is on behalf of council and not is exclusively on on behalf of council. >> Um
>> is Trisha, >> I think this agreement is on behalf of the council. >> I mean, what I'm asking is for the the benefit for the advice of council, not for the advice of anybody else, but for the advice of council. >> It's it's not litigation council
council, special counsel >> to Princeton council. Is Latrica, >> but we don't have our attorney. >> She's online. Trisha, do you want to >> uh Sam needs to um bring her >> uh Adam, can you bring Trisha in?
>> I mean Sam, >> please. >> Thank you. >> Can hear me? Um >> thank you. >> The I just want to make sure we talk about an agreement for council seel or CIL.
agreement for special counsel to seal to seal to Princeton council CIL. >> Okay. So yeah, the except that the agreement is between the municipality and uh and the um the Kotus law firm and
it is to provide special legal counsel services uh to the municipality I think on a consulting basis in connection with the Marco litigation. >> Thank you. Is that clear, Leon? >> That answers my question. Yes. >> Okay. Any other questions?
>> Okay. All in favor? >> I >> I >> Thank you. Okay. Um, next up is the consent agenda. We have a motion to move the entire consent agenda of two items. I move
Leticia moves it. David seconds. All in favor? Hi. >> Hi. >> Does it looks like we have some members of the track team though? >> Just want to see if they >> Thank you. I think we're open public
comment. And I do have um someone here uh to speak. Yes, please come forward. Please state your name and your just your road at your street address, please. >> Okay. Uh my name is Van Kuaja. I live on
Kyler Road. Uh, I wanted to talk about the um replacement of the kiosks on NASA Street with uh electronic versions. So, I should say that I was uh unconvinced by the council's arguments for replacing the kiosks and remain unconvinced, but actually my comment tonight is more of a
query than a statement. So, in the debate uh over the kiosks back in 2024, Councilwoman Saxs was quoted in the Princeton patch as saying, "I'm sort of a free speech absolutist, but if we go to an electronic option, the government
is in charge of who can express a particular idea, and that is what concerns me." And likewise, former councilwoman Eve Nethergang was quoted in the same place as saying, "I'd love to move to a digital display. The digital display is then under our control." I think that means the
council's control and it ceases to be a place for the public to interact. So my question concerns the application of that to the case at hand. So my understanding is the new kiosks may have a kind of hybrid design, partly um
electronic display and partly old-fashioned tackon just like the current ones. But I'm curious to know how the municipality intends to regulate the content of the flyers or communications on the kiosks in whatever form they take. So here are five
examples of controversial messages that I've recently encountered in one way or another around town. And my question is if the council got requests for flyers or displays uh bearing these messages, how would it handle them? So there are
five of them. One is F ICE with the F spelled out in full. Two, free Gaza. Three, death to the IDF. Four, from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free. And five, Naftali Bennett is a war
criminal. These are all actual messages that I've seen. So my question is, if these were to come in in one form or another, whether as tackons or as requests for electronic display, how would the how would the council handle them?
>> Thank Thank you, Aron. Uh there's a a lot of work that we're still due in terms of talking about the hybrid. There'll be some more presentations, but any type of hate speech, we would always have a policy against. So, but in in terms of how it will be
handled and all that, I think that's a longer conversation. >> Is that is that though a fixed judgment that the >> examples that I've given you are hate speech? >> We're not going to engage right now and just Yeah. >> Thanks. >> We are not >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> I do not believe that that that is how
we would categorize >> I'm not saying what I'm not making a judgment call on what you just said. I'm just saying that there would always be a policy about that if you're asking that question. Anyway, I don't want to get into this right now. We have a long conversation about what we did a big um you know
contest for the design that's coming up in terms of the hybrid design and in terms of handling content. That's a whole another question. So, thank you for bringing it up. Appreciate it. >> Yeah. I I I would like to say something which is that the procedure is not that
a request is made. Anyone is free to place. That is one of the benefits of having the the hybrid approach. Anyone is free to post whatever message they would like. Um that is consistent with our constitutional freedoms. In terms of
the electronic content, as >> right, >> Council President Lamrose indicated. Um my understanding of the uh electronic content is it's signage, uh wayfinding, um events, uh that sort of thing. In
terms of who would uh >> curate, for lack of a better word, that content, um that uh remains to be determined and that that also even that sort of content could could uh have its
own issues and I think we we you know are looking into that legally. But um the the as I said the benefit of the hybrid approach is that there is um >> there's both >> constitutional freedom to post whatever you would whatever anyone would like to
post uh on the other part. >> Okay. Thank But I I don't think that anyone has envisioned that for the electronic portion there would be any process whereby >> uh members would be requesting to to to post things uh on the electronic part.
It's more just municipal updates and and other other sort of community updates. >> Right. The electronic post would be transportation information. You very generic and nothing like that. I don't envision a situation in which the council would be characterizing the
types of speech that is posted on the non electronic portion. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Okay. Thanks. >> Anyone else from the public that would like to speak? Please come forward. >> Can you come up to the microphone,
please? Please state your name and your street address, please. Thank you. >> Uh my name is Alex Rusk. I'm a I live on McCabe Street and uh I'm here with some students from Robinsville High School. Uh we're AP Gov students there and we were tasked with going to like different
uh like town council meetings across the area and we would just wanted to ask if we could get a photo whenever you guys whenever it'd be appropriate for you guys. >> Um can you I'm not sure sure what you're asking. >> Yeah. So, uh, we're, um, students at Robinsville High School and we're tasked with visiting town council meetings
around the area and we just wanted to ask if we could get like a photo whenever you guys were available. A group >> if everyone Yeah. If everyone wants to stay afterwards, I You want to take a picture of us? We I'm sure whoever would >> they want to be in the picture because they want to prove that they were here,
that they did the assignment. >> Yeah. Like a like a group photo if possible. >> Okay. I'm sure that anybody who'd like to um would be happy to stay after. Thank you. >> Thank you. That's all. >> Are there any other comments? And thank you for coming. >> Okay, with that, do we have a motion,
David? >> For sure. I move to adjourn >> and second. All in favor? I. >> All right. Thank you.