and other indigenous caretakers of these lands and Waters the elders who lived here before the indigenous today and the generations to come thank you can we have a roll call please Mr McDonald here miss Peron lrose
here Mr Cohen here miss Sachs here miss Fraga here Mr nulan here mayor Freda here you have Quorum thank you if you'd like to and you're able if you could stand and join us in the pledge of Allegiance I pledge allegiance to the
flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all thank you what am I doing uh you pass that I guess all right
first item up we have a proclamation for National Library week uh we're doing it now because with the timing of the meetings we don't want to do it too late so it's always better to do it before then after so indulge me while I while I
read this and thank you for representatives from the library and the library board for being here Proclamation honoring National Library week 2025 whereas libraries spark creativity fuel imagination and Inspire lifelong learning offering a space where
individuals of all ages can explore new ideas and be drawn to new possibilities whereas Princeton Public Library is a Vibrant Community Hub connecting people with knowledge technology and resources while fostering Civic engagement critical thinking and
lifelong learning and whereas Princeton Public Library provides free and Equitable access to books digital tools and Innovative programming ensuring that everyone in Princeton regardless of background has the support they need to learn connect and Thrive and whereas
Princeton Public Library partners with schools businesses and organizations to share resources increase efficiency and expand access to essential Services strengthening the entire community and whereas Princeton Public Library empowers job Seekers
entrepreneurs and lifelong Learners by providing access to resources and opportunities that support career growth and economic success whereas Princeton Public Library young minds through story times stem
programs and literary initiatives fostering curiosity and a love of learning that lasts a lifetime and whereas Princeton Public Library was instrumental in efforts to Proclaim Princeton a book Sanctuary City safeguarding the right to read think and
explore without censorship standing as champions of intellectual freedom and free expression whereas Princeton Public Library is the busiest public building in the municipality welcoming an average of 2,000 people a day and whereas the dedicated staff of
Princeton Public Library provides welcoming spaces that Inspire Discovery collaboration and creativity for all and whereas Princeton Public Library is a national model for programming Outreach and fundraising that supplements taxpayer
support and whereas Princeton public library and libraries across the country are joining together to celebrate National Library week under the theme drawn to the library now therefore be it resolved that I'm Mark Freda mayor of the municipal of Princeton County of Mercer state of New Jersey along with
the Princeton council do hereby Proclaim April 6 through 12th 2025 as National Library week in Princeton during this week I encourage all residents to visit Princeton Public Library explore its resources and celebrate all the ways that libraries draw us together as a
community thank you fron public liary you get the proclamation Jennifer you get I'll take a picture I'll take it great thank you so much okay now we're all going to get up and we're going to move to the table here president is grber is going to join us
and we're all going to sit around the lower table and have a nice little chat for [Music] oh man okay has become something that we've done annually for a long time even
before you and I were here uh past councils and past uh University presidents have gotten together and it's a a great time for you to share with us an update and just thoughts in general so Chris the uh the floor is
yours well uh thank you Mark and I uh this is a tradition now uh which I think has been uh going on for at least 12 years through my presidency and a one that I uh greatly value so uh I want to begin by uh first of all thanking you for the opportunity to speak with you uh
once again thanking you uh for your service to our town and and thanking you for the relationship that I think we have right now between the university and the town which I feel is very strong and I I I think Mark you and I always make this comment we're going to disagree sometimes about some things I I
I think we share a lot in common and we agree about a lot more than we disagree about but we we disagree sometimes and it's just important to have channels of communication open so that we're able to uh work toward constructive Solutions wherever uh possible I I want to be brief because I always find the most
valuable parts of these uh conversations are exchanges and uh my uh opportunity to speak to your your questions and hear your thoughts uh and ideas um I do want to say some things about where we stand right now as a university and uh where
we stand as a as a sector of uh colleges universities and higher education in this country uh at the moment a moment where I feel very uh fortunate to be here in Princeton New Jersey in the middle of this town and and in this uh State I I want to start off with some of
the things that I'm very excited about uh that you know we are cutting the ribbons on on projects uh I think more than a dozen of them over a 12- month period right now um one of the ones that that I am uh very excited about because
it uh provides important connections between our town and and the university is the art museum that that we will uh reopen in uh October I had a chance to walk through it a little more than a month ago now at what point at which point there was about uh one artwork hanging I
think uh in inside the uh Museum but they have been hard at work ever since and and even as we're putting the finishing touches on the exterior a lot is going on uh inside of it so it will be an extraordinary place for the Humanities on the Princeton University
campus I hope it will be a a a kind of a leadership institution in scholarship for the Humanities at a time when they are under threat in our uh nation and in the world and it will be an important point of Pride I hope for this uh entire
Community one of the things uh that I always Joy when I uh visit the museum and that we've been very happy about with art on hullfish and and art at Banbridge over the last uh couple of years is the way that the museum draws uh people from all around the town into
uh its precincts and the way that it draws people to uh Princeton so I'm happy to talk about our other projects as as well but but let me turn for a moment to the serious matters that are uh confronting us uh right now uh I I
have said uh in the pages of the Atlantic uh last week that um I think that uh higher education right now faces a kind of Crisis that we have not faced for at least 70 years I I date that uh
back to the uh Red Scare I um I I think that if I um at least according to my dean of the college Michael Gordon who is also an extraordinary historian of Science and and somebody who knows a heck of a lot more than I do about the history of uh science and colleges and
universities in the United States he says uh this crisis is extraordinary across even a a longer period and and for me there are two facets of it which affect both what we do at Princeton University and more broadly than that uh higher education in the United States in
a way that I think should be the concern of anybody who who uh is interested in in in free thought in uh high quality teaching and uh uh research and in frankly in the strength of this uh country and I know that describes uh this Council so let me just say a bit
about that one aspect of these threats are are just the various kinds of uh cuts that are being made right now or being threatened against research funding at our universities and beyond our universities into the Laboratories for example of the National Institutes
of Health which were the subject of a story in the New York Times uh uh this morning but those those cuts include threatened budget reductions they include uh cost of the so-called uh FNA um uh reimbursements the facilities and
administration reimbursements or or indirect costs that pay for Laboratories shared equipment shared Administration another very real cost of the research that we uh do at universities uh they they are uh threatened right now by the
recision of Grants on uh particular topics they're threatened by uh cuts to the staff of the National Institutes of Health and other agencies so they just can't make grants and and the uh amounts of funding at risk here are are uh very
high so just to to give you orders of magnitude around uh what it is that that we're dealing with on uh campuses at at Princeton University which obviously a First Rate research University and and does an extraordinary amount of highquality research funded by the the
government there's about $250 million annually in um federally funded uh research those indirect cost recoveries amount to around uh $60 million I'm using rough kind of order of magnitude
numbers those are recurring numbers they're annual numbers not one-time numbers and obviously that's a significant amount uh you know even in the context of a university like hours those numbers are much higher at some other uh universities um the the uh you
know the numbers at John's Hopkins for example for federally funded research would exceed three billion uh dollars and there are other major universities especially those that have large medical schools associated with them that would have over a billion dollars or over2
billion dollar in federally funded research so when one hears and I mention all of this because one one has the uh stories about what's going on on things that sound very abstruse and and and aren't the sorts of things that everybody talks about every day like
indirect cost recoveries indirect cost recoveries from the National Institutes of Health at at uh Princeton University would amount to $17 million a year roughly if you had the cut that was put into place and has now been stayed by a
court injunction that would have uh had a $17 million annual impact on our budget it would hundreds of millions of dollars of impact on some other leading uh universities these are serious threats to what it is that universities are able to do they're serious threats
to the science and research uh that have made the United States a world leader in innovation in healthc care in technology they have contributed to uh to our uh prosperity and our security as a society uh and if we care about the greatness of
America if we care about the strength of America we should care about the greatness and the strength of these um these universities and we need those funding streams to be strong um across the set of universities that make a difference in American Research so
that's one threat a second piece of this which was the focus of what I uh I wrote about last week is the threat to academic freedom because uh th this um partnership between the the US government and and American Research universities that has so improved the
strength of our country and and so improved the quality of our our universities has had many benefits but one side effect of it is that uh universities have become dependent on this kind of funding because in many ways what they are doing is uh they're advancing costs by investing in in
buildings and other resources on the promise from the government that they're going to be reimbursed for those costs so they're vulnerable if that money is is taken away and presidents over decades from both parties recognize the importance of this compact between the government and universities to our
country and to the health of Education and Research in our country and the events at Colombia last week concerned me greatly um because uh the government in in uh in its dealings with Colombia
used the threat of removing grants and other research funding as a kind of cudle to try to force the university to put into receivership one of its departments to change the way that it did admissions to potentially change the way that it hired facult faculty that is a threat to academic freedom which is
another core perap to the foundational aspect of what it means to be a great research University or a great teaching institution universities have to be able to operate in a way where faculty members pursue the truth and pursue knowledge on the basis of disciplinary
Norms not on the basis of what pleases people in power and that is what is at stake if the government starts using its considerable resources to try to change that so uh um I I was deeply concerned I decided uh I needed to speak out as a
university uh president I I have been pleased to at the messages of support that I have received frankly from from citizens in the the community as well as uh members of the Princeton University uh faculty student body and uh staff um
our University is going to continue to stand firm for the principles that Define our mission and I think Define the kind of constitutional commitment that we've had in this country uh to free teaching and uh research so um uh that's that's serious stuff I suppose
but I I just needed to to share all of that with you because uh I I think it is critical right now to to um what I think about every day and and to what we are thinking about at the at the University so thank you for the opportunity to speak and I'm happy to take your questions thank you Chris just start at
this end and work our way down uh first thank you for your recent essay in the Atlantic it was timely and spoton um you're the longest serving president in the ivy league and are chair of the American Association of universities so you have a unique perspective on the challenges facing higher education and
we're grateful that you're willing to uh share them with us and also for your leadership in higher education um many people in town like to talk about the University's endowment so I'd like to just ask a a question some people think
that Princeton's endowment is a large discretion discretionary source of funding that you can use for any purpose could you please explain why this is not true yeah so thank you for the question Brian thank you for the reminder that I'm the longest serving president in the ivy league right now that kind of makes
me feel old but you and I are classmates so you know that's not true we're incredibly young and uh somehow I'll reconcile that math at at some point I I I appreciate the the question because uh you know I think one of the things that I that I enjoyed as a student when when
the two of us were classmates and I enjoyed as a faculty members that I never had to give a thought to the endowment we want the endowment to support what it is that we do as a university and we don't particularly need to have people thinking about the endowment but we do now which is why I
so uh uh value the question and I I value it and we need people thinking about the endowment now because the endowment is under attack tax so another piece of the of the concerning picture um that I painted a moment ago is that uh not only are revenue streams related
to sponsored research under attack so too are um the the revenue streams that come from the University's endowment the University's endowment is is the a collection of and a product of the gifts that the university has received over
time with a promise to Steward them for the benefit of uh future generations and I think and as you said in your question people often regard the endowment uh as uh just something that stands off to the side as though it were a savings account
um that could be used for rainy day purposes like you know the current crisis that we're talking about or that could simply be taken when the university wanted to do something like start a new Institute in uh uh Quantum science which we are planning to do or or build a new art museum and that
misunderstands what an endowment um uh is uh an endowment is not like a savings account it's much more like a retirement annuity it it needs to pay out every year in order to continue to sustain the purposes for which um the gifts were uh given so um
just as an individual's retirement annuity has to pay every year for as long as they live so too the University's endowment has to continue to pay out for every year so long as the university exists which for Princeton University we hope it will be in perpetuity basically so we've got a
manage that Endowment in a way that it will always be there to support the university its students its faculty our Partnerships with the town and the other things that we uh do at Princeton uh it pays out more than 5% a year so basically we've got to make 5% a year we
we've got to then um uh have our our friends at prco in addition to making that 5% a year they they've got to be able to produce enough to to cover inflation so so you know let's take that at a low number and and and say it's 3% and and then they've got to uh produce something for everything new that we
want the endowment to to leverage like our increased to graduate stipend for example or improvements to our financial aid program or other new new projects which means we've got targets up between 8 10% every year and now what the federal government has done is in the
tax cut and jobs Act of 2017 to put a 1.4% tax on those returns that we're using basically to make sure that that annuity serves its purpose into the future and now there's talk about taking that number up again as as part of this
I I don't know uh um sort of combination of threats that that we are facing right now some of the numbers being uh as high as uh 10% some as being as high as 20% I've seen other numbers uh quoted this is another way that um that if the
government took those those actions it would undermine our ability to continue to support the affordability and accessibility of the educations we offer and to ensure that the research that we are doing is at The Cutting Edge in the way that this country needs it to be so you're going to see tradeoffs uh um uh
at that point between uh protecting uh things like uh financial aid and and being able to undertake new research projects so for us it's really critical that people understand what's going on with endowments and that we be able to to protect that I saw a story you know
at at Colombia last week uh the what the government did uh successfully as it turned out right but they they took away $400 million kind of threaten to take away more than that uh and and then laid down some conditions which I think were inappropriate were
intrusions on academic freedom and I saw a piece in the New York Times New York Times does a great job covering education I don't want to criticize them except this particular piece said well comparatively modest $400 million and I was thinking to myself what how can anybody take a number like that and say compar ly modest and I think the two
things they were doing is not recognizing that it recurs year to year and secondly they were making the mistake that you describe about the endowment thinking Colombia has a big endowment you know how how how difficult is that for them to do well if you're spending that endowment every single
year on financial aid on salaries on graduate stipend on Research costs that endowment is already committed and and these numbers are incredibly difficult for universities so thank you for the question thank you um thank you so much for your
comments tonight and your uh Atlantic article uh we obviously are under assault on so many fronts right now and as an elected official on the local level it's really hard to it's hard to
focus on on on on the task at hand um but I have to say that it gives me a lot of hope all of us I think that we have a strong town goundry relationship um and I just wanted to highlight a couple of things so they're not really uh questions but I may ask
for some comments but um one one area um of collaboration is on our Transit and you know I haven't I haven't had the opportunity to to thank you and and Hillary and Kristen um in person because I I wasn't here last year when you were here but we um we have a 5-year
agreement and one of the big things uh that we're we're trying to do is to really work together and a collaborative effort between us um we have two new EV buses coming this year we want to expand Our Roots um so the work that we're doing together collaboratively with the
consultants and our staff is really vital um I want to uh say a thank you also to Charlie Tennyson for always lending his his expertise uh he's very generous with his time with us and Staffing Consultants um you know we we
have a a shared mutual interest in uh easing parking challenges uh making our town more walkable Less Car Centric uh this is something we you know want to do together and with uh welcoming new residents welcoming more tourists as
well with a new Museum opening and um and and an expansion of the campus I it's really important and vital that we work together on this so that's one highlight that I I wanted to mention and something else it's um really a Wonder ful opportunity uh just around the
corner is the 250th so you know we're working uh together with the university and some of our partners morvin the battlefield the library uh I don't want to not mention people let me just look at my notes of
the Historic Society experienced prince in our special improvement district and that's just to name a few everyone creating uh events and opportunities educational programming and such uh so you know it's really a vital piece for
the University to be part of our shared Heritage and I think that there's just a general irony right now that we're celebrating um the start and the revolution of our democracy uh while we
are struggling to save our democracy so um I'd love to hear any comments you have on on those particular initiatives uh that are so vital right now for our town and and our hope for the future well thank you Michelle for those um uh
comments and thank you for your partnership around the initiatives that you described and others I I I do think one of the um keys to the success of our town gown partnership and I agree with you it's very strong right now um is uh the establishment of clear priorities
where we can uh work together um I I think we can do a lot together and and I think that partnership is thriving but we can't do everything together and so knowing what really matters is uh so important to us and I think that that uh 5-year agreement provides an excellent
framework for us going forward and and focusing on transit in particular uh is something where I agree with I think every single thing you said about this that is we have strong shared interests uh around that uh uh topic uh you know
the town of Princeton is a wonderful place to be and and we see that all the time I mean it is fabulous to to walk out and just uh feel the energy in uh on our uh sidewalks and as you said uh people from the town people from the University people from outside the town
coming together but that does mean that we we all have to work together to make that uh manageable and I'm glad that that has been a priority within the uh the framework and appreciate that and I look forward as well working with you around the uh
250th um uh it is yet another special thing about this uh town town that we have so much history that we can celebrate here and make it so uh personal I had some uh visitors to the university today where I was able to take a moment and take them into the
faculty room at the the university and show them the Charles Wilson Peele painting of Washington at the at the Battle of Princeton and point out to them that they were standing in the building that is underneath his his elbow which is is pretty cool right and it's just not every not every town not every University can be celebrating
things like that and I I hope we can both celebrate the the history and the ideals in the the way that you describe um I I got my start here in um constitutional interpretation which became my vocation in my career in in
Professor Walter Murphy's class back in uh what was it the fall of 1980 uh taking that course from from him and and uh getting uh kind of what baptized into the Princeton School of of constitutional interpretation and the
Princeton School maintains among other things there is a point to this story the the the the Princeton School maintains that uh you know Constitutions are not just machines that would go of themselves to use a phrase that that sometimes got applied to the United States uh Constitution um they are
active forms of uh government that require constant uh maintenance they require constant recourse to um ideals and and from my standpoint Our obligation as Citizens is always and under any circumstance ances to be
reinforcing the principles of our Constitution and defending our democracy so some days it can feel harder than others sometimes can be more trying than than others but is an ongoing obligation that is presupposed by our constitution rather than something that is foisted on
us by the circumstances so I hope that that our celebration of the history together can also be uh an occasion for our uh renewal of our understanding of those principles and let's work on that absolutely great thank you you thanks um in recognition of the sort
of extraordinary challenges that we're all facing in the current environment um you know usually we take this as an opportunity to ask you for stuff I'm G to take a year [Music] off um and had a couple of things I wanted
to say first of all I did want to thank the university um I've had the opportunity this year and last year to um be a guest in a couple of classes on campus one about ethics and public policy taught by Professor Barbara
buckings and another one um on affordable housing a seminar on affordable housing taught by Erin Shuda so I just want to express my gratitude it's been a wonderful experience for me and I think it's a good demonstration of
the partnership going two ways across NASA a street um contributing um in both directions and then I wanted to ask a question about um you know we've been talking I think
since I've been on Council about the importance of diversity of opinion respectful dialogue something that's you've always demonstrated a great uh Devotion to and is of concern to me um I
know that your faculty is diverse um in terms of political viewpoints um and all all kinds of other things and the question is whether that helps at All In This Moment whether Princeton is
less a Target because um because of the the open um openness to all points of view on the faculty than there we go there we go okay yeah it was lit but it it wasn't lit enough it did
seem lit to me uh so both for the comment and the uh question just uh on your initial comment I'm I'm delighted to hear your positive reviews of those faculty and I hope you've let them know of your appreciation for their their excellent uh uh teaching um I I do think
it is wonderful that we can have that flow both directions across Nassau Street and I'm so appreciative to the council frankly and to the town uh for welcoming uh that there there there there was a time I think when when when people felt they were crossing a boundary now I I I feel like uh it's
it's part of a shared neighborhood and and that's really important um on your question I think it's it's fundamental to universities and as you said you we've discussed this uh before but it's fundamental to universities to have respect for Viewpoint diversity to to to
have conversation across um uh lines uh and to um uh Foster Civic argument that is constructive in a time when uh lots of people have trouble uh engaging in constructive Civic argument right that
that is harder in our country right now uh than it has been in the in the past I think so I think having that on our campus helps us and I think it may help us I you know I I I have some I don't know what uh agnosticism trepidation
about trying to say well does it help us not to be targeted in some way I just don't know you know things could happen at at any at any point right uh you know an investigation Could Happen uh something else could happen so I I I
don't I don't know how to answer that question I do think it helps is one of the many things that helps create a stronger community on the campus and I think that's good for us even above and Bey Beyond um what constructive exchange does for scholarly and educational
purposes so one of the things that has dismayed me as I looked at some other universities is at times um the folks there seem metaphorically speaking to be shooting at one another at times right their their their uh Community is under intense pressure from the outside and
one would hope they would all be standing up together and saying hey whatever else is going on you know we care about this place it's it it's special to us it's meaningful uh and and and instead they they seem to be dividing against one another at the same time that they're trying to deal with
some uh external threats I feel like we have much stronger community on the the Princeton campus and I think a tradition of of civil discussion and uh conversation uh helps with that so um uh
you know I can't be sure but but I think it is helpful to us and and it does mean that that we have a tradition of of having conversations not only on the campus but beyond the campus with various people who who may disagree with parts of what we do but but still can uh
feel genuine respect for the place and that's what we need right we need people to be able to respect institutions even if they don't agree with everything that's going on even if they're pretty upset with some of the things going on and having those conversations across differences uh helps with that and uh I
do appreciate last thing I'll say I appreciate your forbearance on the we we are dealing with things like you know uh a soft freeze on our faculty hiring and other things that we're doing I I I said to one of our uh graduate student leaders the other day came into me with a set of uh proposals and so and I said
well I'm not really in the in the budget additions mode right now uh I but I am in the the Creative Solutions mode so I do think one of the things that we can continue to do is uh you know in the the collaboration around history may be a good example of this there are there are times when we can do things creatively
Within existing envelopes that that make things better for uh both of us but thank you no please um so we um spent some time with Hillary and Kristen quite a few years actually
um uh working on a framework of of shared priorities and um you know they they involve things which the current moment um seem while important just uh a little bit more mundane things like
Transit and housing and all of which are very important to Princeton but um uh given what we're facing as a country um I'm just wondering how we could translate that framework of shared
priorities and into a a framework for maintaining the culture and the fabric of of our civil society and and in Princeton as an example for the country and um I guess the the the corollary to
that is that many years ago when I was in college and graduate school which was about the same time as you were you know was a a time of you're very young you know it was the fall of the Soviet Union and and I did quite a bit of graduate work on the emergence of Civil Society in in the countries of the
former Soviet block and um you know it was a time of Hope and potential and and um I you know as as I'm sure you feel now could never have imagined um observing what what in this country
what we are observing on a daily basis now um and I I do daily try to think about you know the people who who um what they accomplished in in those countries at that time um and um anyway
so just just to come full circle um you know sometimes it it does seem like a focus on on local politics and and it seems um almost trivial compared to the the struggles that are going on in the
country as a whole but I do know that Civil Society is built within every Community with with schools and houses of faith and first and foremost universities um so how can you Inspire us in our our own
little world here to try to um fight for for the preservation of Civil Society look thank you for the question I uh what what I would say is I think you the the council our Our Town our
community do that very well and and we should uh continue uh pressing ahead with what it is that we are uh doing so let me be a little more uh specific about about that um first of all just on the mundane I mean part of what we have
uh said to our own Community is that um everybody needs to continue to persist in their mission about and to to continue to do the things that we always do as a university and not always be distracted by the turbulence or tumult
that may exist in the world and and um that might otherwise uh make it difficult for us to do those things so I think that applies with regard to the town as as well uh you know our our shared priority around transit for example is mundane I agree with you
about that but on the other hand if you care about Civil Society you need to care about uh Transit we need to continue to make people's lives uh better for them uh the kinds of conversations that you do and the kind of leadership that you provide to a town and working out these problems about um
you know how people's everyday lives go better that is the essence of our Civic Institution that is the essence of Civic democracy and having those discussions in constructive ways is really important uh I was listening Mark as you read out the the uh Proclamation earlier about
the library and and I was thinking well of course everything Mark is saying about this and what our library does it's one of those Civic institutions as well that that uh um preserves the kinds of uh values that we uh care about
enables all of us to to work together as uh citizens contributes to to um the the ability to to read and and to make community so I I I think you said it in your question right these these Civic
institutions are the core of our of our Civic life uh and and I would say what we need to do is is to continue those and and to continue here's the one thing maybe I can add to all of that I think what is really important in these uh
times is to know what it is that we stand for and to stand up for it and be willing to speak uh for it to speak for what we care about for the good that we see in our society and everything from universities to libraries to uh Town
Council meetings to the other aspects houses of of worship you said to uh the the parts of our the law profession right the legal profession and the right of every person to have legal representation even when the causes are are unpopular that's speaking up for a
set of uh values and um there are times these uh days when when I'll I'll talk to somebody and they ask me what's the point of speaking up for those values we have to speak up for those values because you can't maintain those values unless you speak up for them and and
people have to know um that there are folks who care and stand for those uh values and then continuing to care um for those who are less well off Among Us so these are all things I I don't think I have a great answer to your question uh Mia
mainly because I think this Council does these things uh well and and far from being distracted I think we should uh recognize that this is a time to double down and speak up I think you you always have great answers you but but um I I just also
wanted to say I hope you know that we feel very supported by the university and we hope that we can also um make the university feel supported in our town and and and you in particular and thank you so much your article in the Atlantic speaking out like that
really did mean a lot to us so yeah thank you I really appreciate that thank you so I think everyone has already expressed you know and acknowledged the uncertainty and the trying times that
we're going through at this time and uh and our community feels it uh and we're very you know Express frustration about what's going on uh and what's coming down from the federal level uh
so and I think you you said it very well too as far as what we're doing at at the local level that's something that we can control uh and not not to say that we should still very Co
be very cognizant of what's happening at the federal level and however we can to push back and and also to but also mainly to assure our residents that for us it doesn't change what uh our
commitment uh for uh the services that we provide and uh What uh we are committed to do for our community uh with that said you know I I do want to to it's and it's not a
question it's a statement uh to acknowledge uh and to express my or our appreciation and uh for uh gratitude and appreciation for the University uh for
the collaboration for uh and it's ever since I've been uh a part of council which is going on eight years I've been very aware of of how how we how well we work
together uh recently I became aware that uh the university has purchased some uh and this this is just an example some barriers for vehicles that that are used for in in case of emergencies or events
uh and that uh the university is going to allow the municipality to use them also for uh for safety measures and uh but but also uh maybe on a lesser scale but it's still very
significant uh how uh we are able to on an ongoing basis every year to collaborate and and work together especially with the students uh to build community you know just uh last uh
September during Hispanic Heritage Month in this room uh we recognize and acknowledge a new group of students of uh the loses the Princeton Mariachi students uh and I know since we I first
heard of them they've been participating at community events uh and like I said building Community but it it may be insignificant but it just demonstrates to our community that we are uh no we we're
still continuing uh to that we're all part of Prince and how well we work together and that we're stronger together and that's just like I said it's not a question it's more of a a a statement and uh that I
just en I appreciate uh the opportunities for us to collaborate and I just look forward to seeing more of that yeah so let me just express my thanks again I I I will say the the the
University and I think I speak not just for uh myself or the administration but for our faculty who appreciate this for for the vast majority of them as their home very literally and for our increasingly as you say for our students
really um uh are grateful to the town of Princeton and appreciative of what it means to be able to uh live in this town and this community I'm delighted by the examples you give about our our students I I I feel like we have a relationship I mean we often talk about it in terms of
the the shared projects that we have and uh uh shared initiatives and and things like uh Transit where we have shared interests but there's also um a a kind of a a flow of people as you say and as
David Illustrated uh as well that binds us together in ways that I think are are uh fantastic and our our students in a way that really was not true when I was uh took office as Prov 20 years ago uh now uh our students like being in the
town they want these kinds of uh relationships um I I'm uh so glad that you you had Los the Princeton uh we have had the Mariachis perform for our trustees as well and it is it it's fabulous to see that kind of interaction
with with uh students coming uh across and frankly it's fabulous to see all of you members of the council at various kinds of uh events on the on the University campus from our athletic events to Artistic uh events or uh some
of our uh recognition ceremonies so thank you for adding that to your your calendars I think when when those kinds of interactions uh take place they just make the collaboration all the more natural uh when it occurs the other thing I want to do because some of you have done this but I do want to call
them uh out uh our our vice president and secretary here Hillary Parker Kristen aate Melissa Muro from our um Regional and Community Affairs uh office who do the extraordinary uh work to make this relationship as strong as it is so uh I
appreciate them as well good evening sir and thanks for being here uh I hope that you and the staff from University can feel the love on behalf of myself and my colleagues and I'm sure the mayor's right behind me and
uh what I wanted to share with you is I think that often we here at the uh town of Princeton do see the university as this big big savings account where we can always tap on your shoulders and say hey we need this or we need that but
over the past week and a half I think I along with my colleagues and other people in Princeton have felt sorry for the University we see that the difficult ulties that higher education and Academia are going through and actually today I was going to come in here and give you a hug and ask you what could we
do for you but fortunately I I saw Kristen before I saw you but uh what I also want to share with you is that I hope even though we have this slowness in uh philanthropy that we will look for
other ways uh without money to collaborate and build on the partnership that we have developed over the past few years uh over the past 10 or 15 years and I hope that we will continue to look for creative ways as you said to build
partnership and I actually had it right here uh opportunities for other creative ways to collaborate so thank you David and also Leticia but I do have a request and I'm going to read it so I
don't mess it up President E grber trustees and members of the Princeton Community tonight I'm before you not to ask for funding not to request a program but to extend an opportunity an
opportunity to honor one of Princeton's own a man whose contributions to both this town and this University are etched into the very fabric of our shared history Tommy Parker is
Princeton a lifelong resident a dedicated University employee a champion for workers rights a leader in youth Athletics and a pillar of Public Service Tommy Parker has spent his life lifting up this
community as a former president of the SEIU he fought for the dignity and fair treatment of University employees as a mentor he guided countless young people ensuring they had a path
forward as a prince tonan he embodies the values that both this town and the university hold dear commitment resilience and service to others now he faces the profound
challenges of paralysis following his second stroke I ask that we as a unified Princeton both town and gown find a way to honor his
legacy Perhaps it is a building a space or a landmark on the campus that bears his name Perhaps it is another fitting tribute that ensures his contributions
are never forgotten but in a place where we honor intellect service and Leadership we must also honor those who have quietly built the bridges between
us I urge you President E Gruber and the University trustees to consider how Princeton University can permanently recognize the life and contributions of Tommy Parker a man whose impact deserves to be
remembered not just in words but in a lasting way that Generations will come to see and understand because when we talk about the greatness of Princeton we must remember those who made it so not just
in lecture halls and boardrooms but in the day-to-day work of shaping this community and advocating for his people thank you thank you for that that very move
moving appeal and um your thoughtful uh proposal what what so in the spirit again of working together what I would hope is that you can uh connect with uh Kristen Apple again and uh and begin
thinking about as you put it in your proposal what's the appropriate way for the town and the university together to to think about this you may know that we have a committee on the on the campus which has been very I think imaginative and creative in terms of who it has
honored and recognized that it's not just about the people who are in in boardrooms or at the lectur that that uh that we want to honor it's our our staff our alumni undergraduates graduate students faculty members leaders um for
for a lot of different uh reasons uh and so we have a u the council the Princeton University Community which actually met earlier this afternoon has a committee the naming Comm that that uh considers those recommendations that is a genuinely
independent committee u i can I can guarantee you they're they're independent because I have sometimes sent them suggestions which they've been very polite about uh before before telling me that they were going to do something uh different than what I had uh suggested to them so um I you know
that I I will say in advance is something where Christen could help you get a name in front of them but but they they operate uh over time and and as I said with with Independence but um you noted in your in your comments there are a lot of different ways that this uh
objective might be accomplished and so she can work with you to figure out what is the best way given some of those uncertainties and constraints I didn't want to say one other thing which is I I I do feel the support and appreciation and love from from this uh group uh I I
appreciate that and I want folks standing up for for what matters in our our our t in our society and and at our University but please don't feel sad for us because I feel proud and excited about what Princeton University is is doing right now and I I look on the one
hand we got lots of challenges right but that that is sort of the life of being a democratic uh citizen it's it's certainly the life of being a university uh president and as I look at you know I get together and and uh meet with our students and and uh hear from
our faculty about what it is that they are doing and and look at some of the new Ventures that that we got going and and I am filled with enthusiasm uh for that so uh I hope you will share that with us too because we have a lot to be excited about as the
town of Princeton and its citizens and as uh Princeton University we just want you to know we have your back I appreciate that a couple quick thought thank you thanks David a couple quick thoughts uh first of all I want to
Express the thanks to be able to talk to people from the University pretty much at any time be open and honest and have people actually listen to you comment back in the same way and I just think that is an important part of our relationship so you don't have to play games with each other we can just say
what we think it's received and we get honest feedback so thank you very much for that that is deeply appreciated and very important my only comment that I'll make tonight is long range planning and I I kind of feel at times
that the the university is so good at long-term planning but perhaps misses to the full extent possible the input of how the community might react to things the university is thinking of doing in the future so I would simply
say that when it comes to thinking about where the students reside where the students have their activities as the university brings more Innovation into the area and gets involved in Innovation overall you're Princeton University we are the
municipality of Princeton we are always tied together I think as elected officials we always want to encourage and drag as much as possible to happen in a way that helps the community the Princeton community directly and I don't care as
much about West Windsor Plainsboro or the other places to be perfectly honest um but anyway I just want to keep that I think it's an important thought to share um um yeah anyway go well I I I appreciate that and and again let me uh
Echo what I said at the beginning I I do think it's very important that we're able to have uh candid conversations with with one another uh uh we appreciate it when we uh get feedback you know and and we appreciate the
ability to be candid in response as well uh when we get that uh feedback and those candid conversations make it possible for us to do well uh together we are Princeton University in Princeton New Jersey we're proud of that we're always going to be Princeton University in Princeton New Jersey and and that
will bind us uh together and just the the proximity people want to be uh in that Center of uh activity uh I I also think uh in a way that is um uh good for
the town of Princeton as well as um uh as for Princeton University uh we have over the last decade especially uh begun more and more to think of ourselves as a regional citizen as as well as a um uh
as well as a part of this local uh Community uh I I think all of us should want this region to be uh strong not everything is going to get packed into the uh boundaries of uh Princeton New Jersey and I I don't think we should want it all to be packed into the
boundaries of uh Princeton New Jersey but I also think the more the more vibrant uh the region around us uh becomes the better that's going to be it's just going to throw off uh externalities and I think all you have to do is is walk down Nassau Street on a
spring day and you know that that is always going to be the heart of of the the region it's going to be the core it's going to be activated even if things there are going on uh around us so I I at least don't don't view all of this as uh as Zero Sum I I there's too
much thinking about zero sum in our society today right I I I think about it in terms of uh win-win and and uh forming additional uh relationships that that make us stronger so uh and that's us uh collectively so
look we got to do that the right way um you know you're right we got to think about the long term we got to think about the um the shorter term but uh but I think if we keep those conversations that you described uh going and and we keep focusing on on what are the good
things that we stand for for and that we share uh good things will happen and and you know if there there are things that need adjustments adjustments will get made yeah Chris thank you very much I think having this yearly event is important I agree and uh we appreciate I
agree and I what I really I I've really enjoyed the way several of you have stressed that yeah we have this yearly event but it's not like we go off and be strangers uh to one another uh afterwards on the contrary so what's terrific is we have a yearly event and then we have friends ships that tie us
together beyond that and thank you and I I do want to say once again how appreciative I am of the support that I have felt so strongly this evening thank you it means a lot thank you thank you thanks thanks also to team Princeton okay next up on on the agenda is
announcements and reports so let's start up here with the council members David yeah I just wanted to um make a brief comment I'm sure everyone's aware about a week ago we had a another
tragedy in town where pedestrian was hit by an automobile and uh a few days later succumbed uh to his injuries this was in a location uh by the library where it just should never have happened good
visibility it's kind of a mystery but what I want to say about it and you can see some posters down in front of the Das right now um danana Stockton our engineer actually um
reached out to do not in response to the crash but um prior to that cuz she had seen a nice poster somewhere and she asked could she get one and they sent her like 19 posters and they're great they really um
convey a message that um you know a human life is priceless and all of us uh as we move around town uh in our vehicles uh cars or even on bicycles um need to
be conscious and really focus uh um so that we as much as possible prevent these kinds of tragedies in the future um I've been working uh over the past years with the vision zero task
force Vision zero is basically the philosophy that says that even one casualty is too many and um one of the things we put together was uh an explanatory video and that um uh is
going to be going up on the municipal website in the very NE near future I checked before the meeting to see whether it had gone up it hadn't yet but um I encourage people to take a look it'll be right on our uh uh arrival page
the homepage for the municipality and uh take a look at the video and um see if you can find some lessons for your own way of being in town thank you David other announcements or reports
Leticia yes um and this is directed at uh often I've I'm asked about uh from our residents who are interested in volunteer opportunities uh so on this April 12th
so it's coming up in a couple of weeks uh which is a Saturday from 11:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. at Hines Plaza there's going to be a volunteer Fair that is being uh hosted by the Princeton food task force uh which is organized by
our human services department and this is an opportunity for uh individuals who are wanting to explore ways to support our community and find the right opportunity uh that they may be involved in uh they can connect with our local
food organizations which include uh arm inarm Princeton Alliance Church Princeton s hung packing Meals on Wheels Catholic Charities United ways and share my meals among others so it's just going
to be a great opportunity to come uh to learn about the work of these organizations and how uh they may be involved thank you other Council announcements or reports okay Diana thank you mayor Jim and I both
have a couple of announcements on um April 5th between 10:00 a.m. and 2: pm. we have our spring shredfest we'll be um joined again this year by sustainable
Princeton who will be uh collecting items for upcycling so uh if people are interested they can check out the municipal website as well as sustainable Princeton's website to see the materials that are being collected at that
event and uh I'll turn it over to Jim now I have uh a couple of items of good news um I sent memos out to the mayor and Council on Friday evening uh and I'd like to read them into the record so
that uh um the public is aware of them as well the first one is about cell phone service upgrades um as you recall back in in May of 2023 uh there was a special meeting of council where Verizon and crown castle
um crown castle being a thirdparty provider of facilities not actually a cell service provider um came and heard from the community and from Council about the difficulties in cell service
that we experience every day um so this memo has to do with the fact uh of the collaboration that has taken place between Verizon and crown castle since then crown castle um has submitted since
that day 89 different applications to add or replace equipment and most of those applications included Verizon equipment we have approved 61 of those uh applications and they have as of last
Friday 44 new or upgraded facilities have gone on air um we have found um that Self Service um has improved in a lot of different places there is still room for
improvement obviously there are still 17 uh outstanding applications um that have not been put on air yet and then another 28 applications that are in the hopper but we're working every day and I just want
everybody to know that uh it's it seems like a long time two years um we've worked with them to get them through our process but they also have to go through other regulatory processes and each one of these requires power electricity to
be fed to them so they have to work with psng and getting power to these locations and uh uh everything seems to be coming to fruition because a lot of these have come online within the last couple of months 12 of them in uh in the
last month Alone um so every day we get or not every day but at least once a week I'm getting an email from Verizon uh informing me of the new ones that are coming uh online um the second uh item is that our
food service uh our food scraps drop off program uh which we started in October of 2023 was expanded uh earlier this month on March 5th uh we added three more sites at little brick Littlebrook Elementary
School riverbrook uh riverbrook Riverside Elementary School and on General Johnson uh road which is the access to uh Johnson Park Elementary School these new locations use a new um
container they're called Metro store bins uh for collection they're locked they operate handsfree um they can be unlocked using a keypad or an app on on your smartphone once they're unlocked the lid opens by
use of a foot pedal so nobody has to touch anything um they just simply dump their food scraps into the bin uh and walk away um the bin closes automatically uh and locks within 30 seconds uh We've publicized this in the
weekly Council newsletter and flyers have been provided to each of the schools to encourage participation uh with uh only 16 days uh Less Than 3 weeks after deployment we had an additional 25
residents sign up for the program uh we now serve 314 residents with 17 using Johnson Park 54 using Littlebrook 55 using Riverside 56 using Monument Hall and 134 still using here at Witherspoon
Street um the program is now diverting over two tons of food waste from the landfill every month uh we deliver it to Trenton Renewables instead of sending it to the Mercer County um transfer station uh Trenton Renewables takes the food
waste converts it to a biog gas for energy production and the soil uh the uh remaining solids are used as a soil amendment for farming uh the cost of processing it at Trenton Renewables it does cost us money it's $65 per ton
Solid Waste tipping fees this year are now $135 for per ton so we're saving $70 and tipping fees for every ton that we um we uh divert um I'm happy to report that we get a lot of uh positive feedback
finally from uh from the residents uh the new collection bins are a big hit and uh um we'll wait a couple of months probably and we hope to expand the program to 12 total sites in the municipality
over the over the coming months uh most of this is paid for through a grant from the United States Department of Agriculture and that's it thank you thank you Jim thank you Deana Michelle Jim thank you I just um have a question
uh this is really great news about crown castle would it be possible because we get a lot of complaints would it be possible to kind of have an update of where the 89 equipment Replacements are going to take place what's what has taken place is is that possible kind of
like you give us construction updates can is it possible to get some crown castle updates or is that uh um yeah I I provided you a map of those that uh are on air of the new ones that are on air I
can provide a map of the ones that uh are either approved and not yet on air or the applications that we have in um I can put that in a memo to uh infrastructure and operations committee does that sound all right or do you want it to Mayor and
councel and report in two weeks I me weeks I think everyone I think everyone gets you know various complaints from various neighborhoods so it's probably be very um you know very productive to for everyone to to have that information
at hand and then updates periodically okay um if possible yeah thank you that would be great thanks okay any other announcements or reports can I ask a question uh regarding Mr sure go right ahead just come up to the microphone
identify yourself and ask away hi Seth Melman Riverside Neighborhood uh Jim I was just curious is does it only apply to Verizon carrier or in other words T-Mobile AT&T could you just fill us in in that regard sure crown castle as a
third-party uh provider leases their equ their uh equipment and their polls to the cell service providers some of most a lot of these um crown castle has uh historically uh leased their space to
T-Mobile um it it was only after the May 22nd 2023 meeting that Verizon and they started collaborating so a lot of the new facilities that are going in are both T-Mobile and Verizon some are simply Verizon some are simply T-Mobile
um but there's a combination going on 18 on the other hand uh typically puts in their own facilities and as far as I know that we we don't have uh uh great communication with AT&T but I think the last I heard from them they had no more
plans to put in any more facilities in Princeton great thank you okay other comments questions announcements reports terrific next up is public comments for items not on the agenda if anybody in the room has a
comment for something not on the agenda this would be the time to do that correct now is not on the agenda okay anybody online that has uh anybody on Zoom I see no hands up I'll close that part
of the meeting and next up is I'm sure going to be a very exciting presentation on kios can't wait I'll do my best mayor okay let's see good evening um we are
returning um again to discuss kios we were last here before council at the end of October um to start the public dialogue about the kiosks in Princeton uh I've left up on uh the dis
with the mayor the examples of the documents that are commonly posted on the kiosks these are the documents that were removed um last month when
DPW clean them up so please feel free to take a look at them and um investigate what what is published up there so um again we currently have kiosks in two
locations vaner and Nassau as well as Witherspoon in Nassau Street um these were both installed in the late 1980s as part of a streetcap project and they started their life as public phone
booths um and newspaper box kind of receptacles and then over time as those items phased out took on different forms um it became a a place where the Flyers
and various information could be posted um as we mentioned in the October meeting we have a capital Improvement project to replace the sidewalk material
on NASA Street when we do that um the idea is is that we would replace all of the sidewalk under the kiosks as well and that is the that was the reason why we came to council
initially was to get approval to remove the kios to allow for the the construction to happen because they were these were installed and constructed back in the 1980s the senses is that they will not
be able to withstand a uh removal and replacement um and so that's why we're here having the next dialogue is what can the kiosk be um we are
proposing to put one kiosk back at van dender and Nassau and see how that goes in the roll out before we look at other options um the Witherspoon and NASA street corner has become very
congested with um the new traffic signal equipment that has been placed there by do and so so a kiosk the size that we currently have is a little bit unmanageable in that location and and
the real estate that we have at van dender and Nassau is larger and so it can accommodate um the chios much much better and allow for people to Mill around and look at the information that's um provided on
it um so in the presentation that you have we put together just some ideas of what kiosks could look like this is not prescriptive that this is what we are proposing this is merely put in so that
there is a visual um representation for you to consider so we currently like we said have an eight-sided kiosk it takes up a 6x6 square
area um depending on the location and what council would like to see happen with the keos um it can be customizable to pretty much any size you know something could
stay a 6x6 it could become smaller in this case we presented just a two-sided kiosk um we've heard some feedback that the sides that are closest to the roadway are less viewed um just because
it is closer to the roadway and so a two-sided kiosk if you were to put it perpendicular to Nassau um takes care of that issue um you can expand the two-sided to be a four-sided you could have a six-sided so
we wanted to just show that um you know in 2025 there are options um if if you chose not to replicate the kiosk as it currently exists uh there has been a
proposal from experience Princeton of making a portion of it electronic um we're not here to discuss that tonight we need to do a little bit more investigation with experience Princeton our understanding is that it's
really going to be more of a wayf finding application to have the electronic sign that it would take the place of a static map so if you're looking for a destination in town to visit you would
be able to use the electronic version um of a map to do that so um another thing like I've said before is we can completely customize it um and
talk more in the future about the electronic version I've also thrown in since um this was put on the council agenda packet some other options about six-sided kiosks so again um it's a little bit closer in replicating what we
have currently um different visuals different ideas um we are a town full of Architects and I am sure there are probably a thousand different opinions of what a kiosk could look like and
depending on how the infrastructure C and operations committee directs us you know we can uh we can welcome those um discussions but this was very my very crude um opportunity to do a rendering
of what a change could look like um if you take away our eight-sided kiosk and replace it with something smaller we also have the opportunity because there is a lot of space albeit some of it is owned by the university and garden
theater there is an opportunity to shift it around on the corner because you know we also want to add in Street trees bicycle parking you know so we want to really think about what other uh amenities we want to provide to the
community in addition to the kiosk um so that's really it again like I said we're going to continue to work with experience Princeton to explore what their ideas are for an electronic
kiosk component um and look at different kiosk concept renderings so if there is any feedback that Council can provide regarding size
shape um locations we would love to hear it now thank you yes David So as an architect I have at least three different opinions just by myself um you know
I I do like the the two-sided option I I I think that the reasons you explained about certain sides of a multi-sided one not getting viewed anyway makes sense to me and to have it take up less space on
the sidewalk is good um I do have concerns about the electronic you know the more moving Parts the more opportunities for something to break down so um I would want to see
uh a real convincing um demonstration of value added by having it be electronic rather than just a nice static map that those are my thoughts thanks DAV Michelle J
your yeah thanks um thank you de that was uh a very good I I just want to see do you want us to give some feedback as to two-sided three-sided that tonight um do do you do you kind of need direction in that way or just in general whether
or not we like the the mix of analog and electronic um I just wanted to see kind of what what direction you'd like I mean personally I I think there I'm pretty agnostic as far as two-sided three-sided four-sided I I did hear though what
David just said we said also in in know that the two-sided made sense from the standpoint that no one seems to be looking at it from the street side they really like look at it from either way they're walking towards it so two-sided may just be adequate um so I just wanted
to see what direction you wanted to get from us this evening um any and all feedback would be appreciated I I think really the first bit of information we need is
really General size or you know the the the number of sides because that will then help us try to locate it uh within the public right of way at that corner in the best way to accommodate other
amenities okay waon I'm sorry oh okay sorry it's your hand up thanks um so first of all David I thought you had just cleaned out your Municipal
mailbox I thought that's what all that stack of stuff was um so I looked through um and just jotted down a few notes I guess there's more than I saw um
and so I just want to push back a little bit on you know we we I think there had been a narrative that um you know uh what had been portrayed which was that the paper the paper advertisements on
the kiosk were you know um not of any particular relevance and it was just junk and um not anything that would be of any interest to people and and um so I I saw all sorts of flyers for emotional well-being physical group
activities um music music lessons concerts um uh educational political Faith activities um and uh I was thinking about how we were I was just you know
mentioned uh in our discussion with with um Dr Iber the um importance of civil society and um I was talking about you know former Soviet block and I was
thinking about how they used to communicate through through something called Sami do which was which were written Communications that they passed around and that was there was such repression that that was how they um were able to have some level of freedom
of of uh expression and um I'm I'm not saying that we're headed that way in this country although uh we'll see but I'm also not I I just um really
do feel very very strongly that um written materials are important um and I think there's a lot of research which points to the ability of the brain to absorb things that are in written form as opposed to
electronic form I would like for young people not just to get their information through Electronic media but also through seeing written um things in in in you know on paper and I I I realize
there's an you know environmental sustainability component to that but what I saw and just and thank you for collecting those but what I saw were all things that were information that I think are of value and that it's useful for people to have access to see as as
they go by and I think it's more valuable to have access to that than um than the detriment of of you know um then it it looking untiy um I do think that is um I do feel like that is part
of the character of a university town as we've said and many you know many of us have said over the years um however it doesn't have to be all of the sides I think you know compromise is half electronic half written um when you
described the two-sided structure in the infrastructure and operations committee it sounded like an ideal solution especially because you know the idea that people are not viewing from the street but when I
saw it in the you know in the packet the aerial and also saw it on here um I have to say I you know didn't feel the same way as when it was described theoretically because you just when you're walking by on the sidewalk you're
just seeing one horizontal you know if you're if you're walking right in the sight line you see it but it just doesn't have the visual imp of the you know I think you could easily walk right by it so you know I I do think we should explore possibly and you
know it's not a hill I'm going to die on but um if if everyone on Council feels very strongly about the two-sided then so be it but I would welcome um maybe a little bit of thought given to something not quite so large but
um you know but but just uh not uh not just the the the the narrow two-sided maybe something that's I know it could even be triangular or you know a little bit smaller in diameter but still more surface okay those are my
thoughts thank you L thanks mayor thank thanks for all the work that has been done you know when we first had this maybe a month or two ago I was pretty much on on the side that it's an eyesore it's got to go and then guess what late
and listens uh six or eight sessions later I really heard it and here's what I heard uh I I I think we're just a little ahead of ourselves we're talking about design two-sided four-sided I think we need to go back and listen to the public because
young people are all about this digital age but people my age and a lot younger than me are not for all 100% digital I heard us say that one side could be kiosk but I think we're missing an
opportunity we have a very creative uh brand here we have creative people here and what I'm hearing is people want the freedom to put up and take down what they want this is an important issue for
many people in Princeton and while it might be great for those people for wayfinders that are coming in and out of town and in and out of town the people that live here want the freedom to put up something as Mia just referenced I think we need to slow our role a little
bit and get more feedback from the public to really find out because maybe the public can help us with a design something very unique that could be both analog and I mean um digital and analog maybe we put the opportunity out there
all I'm saying is people in our community old people in particular and people who from the 60s have been around for a while will lose their minds if we don't give them a voice in this decision I'm telling you we need to hear from
them a little bit more thank you thanks Leonia yes thank you so I have heard from the public but I still feel that they are an isur but that doesn't mean that they need to be
taken down no that every everything needs to go uh I think there can be compromise as we found in the past on other issues where our communities divided on on certain issues and we
found compromise now look at Witherspoon Street oneway pedestrian only two-way and we found the compromise that I think it's I think it's working fine uh as far as the
the kiosk they they are nice or even those examples that we found uh if you look at that stack there's four at least four maybe five copies of the same flyer on the same
kiosk we could limit it to just one one flyer of of a specific flyer and that would greatly reduce the number of Flyers uh the compromise for me
maybe I would be three-sided and I say this because I've also strongly believe I would love to see uh an electronic version that's for wayf finding that's something that is uh I think it's
lacking in our community that would be very helpful not just for visitors but for ourselves when we can't always remember what direction uh something is we're we're trying to describe it and when we're trying to describe it to someone that's not from here um it's you
know it it can be confusing so I would I think it would be uh a compromise would be to have one side that's electronic and if we have two sides that are for Flyers but again limited
to one flyer per whatever it is that it's being announced per kiosk thanks LTI yes Brian uh sure I have one technical question and then an opinion
um I know what you're hoping is for guidance um and we may not be doing such a great job in providing it tonight um when is the sidewalk project going to begin and is it the case that you need
to know at least at the Garden theater site um where the location would be so that services could be run before the um you know the masonry work is done that's the the question and then I'll give you an opinion okay
um we anticipate that the earliest construction would begin would be after um University graduation uh most likely after 4th of July we are still waiting for
permits um we have included a provision for um utilities to be run in that area and so it's it's more a matter of making a field change with a
contractor if if the location changes from where it originally is placed on the plans so in terms of an opinion um I also would advocate for a compromise I know digital Solutions are more popular although I've been in cities and towns
where they can often feel very sterile um and not get used and hope that that'll be combined with um some thinking about other digital resources to navigate town and and find out where things are um but I visited the kiosk
and um you know one person's view of what is attractive and somebody else's May differ and um what I saw was Community engagement energy free speech and I want very much for us to
preserve those values um and think that a multiface um whether it's the maximum of the six that you showed that I thought looked I felt nostalgic it looked a bit like our eight-sided kiosk um or three
or four where um there would be um at least two or if not more sides for the public to post um I I think that would be a nice compromise and I would be in favor of the continued ability of our
residents to uh put things up there I also saw You Wiz um I wonder how easy it would be to police or to regulate the one one flyer per which I think is one
of the reasons we take them down once a month um and let it kind of renew um which I I like um so so I'll I'll stop there but I would just second the idea of a compromise um hope for a multiface more
than two and that there would be continued Community engagement um in some form that is more similar to what we do now than different can I just go ahead yeah I'll just I I think as I've said to you
before Deanna the two-sided to me just doesn't seem like quite enough because there's so much space right now to pin stuff up I'm not a huge fan of people pinning up 15 of the same thing I don't understand that logic especially since they cover up everybody else's stuff which is pretty uh disrespectful and not
nice um but I think we need something more than the two-sided so if it's a three or four-sided and the four-sided probably makes a little more sense and something that is a little reminiscent of what is there now um I think it's a certain style that people kind of expect
and it's uh anyway a little acknowledgement to what was there before but more modern I mean I think the electronic component is important because if you want to do way finding if you know I want to find out where's the where's the tap room versus the A and B or what's the new place over at the
shopping center or gez what's that place up on Route 206 I mean how do I get to any business in town I'd love to be able to as a visitor go to one place and say yeah I can push a button here and pretty much figure out where where it is I want to go compared to where am I now so I
think that would be an important component but it's obvious people want to pin stuff up and unfortunately for I guess our Public Works people they're going to have to continue to on some regular basis go and just rip stuff down and people put more stuff back up but hopefully we could make it look
nicer and find a way to I don't want to use the word limit but maybe show people that there's a a reasonable amount of stuff to put up and you don't need to put up way too much but I but seeing all that was I mean if you just go through
this pile and see how much stuff is like two three or four times you know I guess we need to put something up there saying you know be considerate of others I don't know anyway so yeah I'd like to summarize thank you I agree with everybody uh I think we actually have more consensus
than we realize I mean I think we all agree that there needs to be an analog obviously component where people can still pin things up and and I have to say in terms of looking neater the kiosks are really old and they have old
pins push pins Staples uh paper pit so they don't look good they so once you have something fresh that's maintained on a monthly basis I think that you'll see that it'll be a lot cleaner and neater to have the analog component I think we all agree that an electronic
component to it is worth exploring I mean I think there's more questions still that we need to answer um but it sounds to me like like maybe we're looking at two or three sides for the analog and perhaps if we can narrow it to that to give you a little bit of
direction in terms of and we'd like it to be cute and look like it belongs in Princeton um and if we can agree at least that would give Deanna some direction and her team um and then the other thing I was just going to suggest is we could put a sign up that says
please one poster per customer I mean we could put a little something to try and get people to well you need one of those on each side so we have to put up multiple which side you put it on um what else urage to me I had one other thing I was thinking oh and then the other thing Dan if you could if you
could tell us what the surface area of the new analoges would be versus what we have currently um and you know I think in I know we discussed doing this at the GU in front of the garden theater that's where we have the most space we can
consider it a pilot see how it goes we can always find other places for others um so if you I think that's a bit of consensus at least that's a summary of what I've gotten from what everyone said but leave it open this this has been
very helpful a lot of good feedback um we currently by my calculation have about 80 square fet of mounting space um so we'll definitely look at maximizing that the analog component the
pin boards where people can put their information up um and recognize that you know one portion of it you know may very well be the electronic wayfinding component as well if the public is
interested we're more than willing to um you know hear from the public they can send an email to us at engineering at Princeton nj.gov um because I know there has been a a lot of public dialogue about the kiosks and as I mentioned we
have a lot of talented design people in town so they can uh definitely share ideas with us one other idea I wanted to mention too is some kind of weather it won't be weatherproof but maybe just kind of a a something to overhang
because when it really gets messy is when it rains wind and that type of thing so whatever we can do it and you know we can also talk about identifying other places in town where there are analog pinup places uh where people can also you know have their have their
information yeah and there's depending you know depending on what we see coming out of this um new installation as beneficial opportunities we can also work with private property owners um to
site these locations elsewhere like the shopping center you know uh Palmer Square so we we really want this to be the first of many applications um so we want to get this one right and um hit the right note with
the public okay thank you me yeah um in terms of location so definitely it seems to be a consensus or you know as you've um conveyed that the corner uh the Witherspoon nasau corner is is really
too crowded um um um I like uh that we're going to keep keep uh a kiosk at the in front of the garden there was a lot of feedback that uh encouraged us to put a kiosk on Hines Plaza and I do really think that would be a very
appropriate place that is our you know the library is our community's living room as we often say and and Hines Plaza is you know a place where um many people from the area come uh together it's sort of their
stopping up stepping you know where they start for for their afternoon in town or um I um also just want to mention so there was on the slide you you mentioned exploring the digital component and
collaboration with experience Princeton um and I I agree um you know with letia and others who you know that it's really important to um you know be helpful even for for those of us who've lived here for a while um the the
streetscape is is changing all the time with new stores and I think it it would be very helpful for everyone to be able to um the the way finding component is is would be enormously helpful um that said um and you know with with tremendous respect for experience
Princeton though I I I just want to re reiterate that this is municipally owned property and I don't think it should be a forum for advertising um um and so I'm not sure if that was something that was being considered um
I would would um would have a lot of questions about that um and finally I just want to say that I really love living in a town where people care so much about the kiosks we've gotten months of feedback about the about the
kiosks and I think it really speaks to the character of our town very highly so that's it okay I think we we're good enough on Kiosk for the moment can I make a comment about the kiosk since that's the reason I'm here oh sorry come on up do
the intro thing again and I will thank you um Seth Melman uh Adams Drive over Riverside um so I love the kiosks and I love the mess personally um I've lived here for 20 years I do all six sides when I come to town and sometimes I look
at both of them because not always people put certain flyers on one and not on another um and I and I did a little homework so you didn't feel like I was totally unprepared I wanted to see what other towns were doing so I did a little homework there's a couple towns in New
Jersey that have switched to digital um but they they have a an input component from the community where the they basically submit things online okay they have to do it two weeks prior so it's a they have an event
coming up or there's a a talk coming up by the school or something they submit it online two weeks prior and then it goes into someone in town I don't know how it works but technically puts that information up so that it appears on the digital readout on the bulletin board as
the activities that are occurring um so I did do a little homework but most most of the digital stuff is exactly the same it's pretty much what you all know um I was very happy to hear that members of the council are happy with putting some
paper up because I think there needs to be a paper comp an analog component to it um obviously that's you know I would be happy if it just stay the way it is but I understand that that's not going to happen um in terms of the the digital aspect and the map I think you know my
feeling would be everybody I shouldn't say everybody this is incorrect but 90% people have a cell phone and they have Google Maps and they have Apple Maps and so if they want to know where you know the nearest Barnes and Noble is they can
punch that in I do think it would be good for the town to have a map of the University Stadium things like that where certain Halls are where Richards Richardson is for example where the mcarter is I think those things are really valuable you know maybe as far as
the shopping center but I think the mapping aspect of it should pretty be pretty tight should be local you know as opposed to what's out on 206 or what's out on Route One um but I I'll just finish by saying I'm very happy that I think there's going to be some kind of
compromise with a a paper aspect or an analog aspect um because I was expecting something totally different um but my last question would be how is the decision going to be made who makes the decision is it strictly up to you guys since it's on Municipal property is
there so in other words how how is the decision going to be made I think at the end of the day it comes back to us okay we have to give enough direction to our engineering department that they see there's a consensus on what on what to do okay so
being that you know uh we're talking after 4th of July or something like that how do we put it out so that we get a little bit more so everybody in town knows about it so at least they can respond to the email how do we get that information out there because there's
I'm sure there's lots of people that don't know this is going on so how do we get that obviously a lot of people do but how do we get the info out there I would imagine and the engineer um the municipal engineer can correct me but I would think that maybe
you guys will come back with a couple suggestions for US based on the comments we've heard tonight I kind I think I heard I wasn't counting but I think I heard enough people say more than two sides um I think there might be some
consensus about being somewhat reminiscent of what's there um so I think we'll probably come back with some ideas at a future meeting and there'll be another discussion like this and hopefully there'll be enough of a consensus in the near future that our
engineering department will actually know what to do because right now it's not clear enough right but how does the public find out about it other than public should be paying attention to our meetings I think it'll be um like the the press that still exists has been covering this this topic pretty well I I
must admit okay um and I think that what we can make sure too is the next time we're going to talk about it we can make sure it's in our newsletter before it comes up right because okay there's several thousand people that that view the newsletter right and you could find a kiosk and and put up some flyers put a note on the kiosk there you go that's a
good idea I will I will do it thanks I will do it thank you Seth can I ask to could um thank you for doing the research um if you would kindly if you could share that with us it' be really helpful to know um you're not right right now but if you can reach out to me
um I will send you I I made a copy I I'll take an analog copy as well or digital one okay well I yeah I know how to reach you so I appreciate your work on this thank you so much thank you okay why
don't we get to our 2025 capital budget presentation m not up there oh there we go okay okay so what you have before you this evening are three Bond ordinances that we're going to hold a public hearing on and hopefully uh get through
adoption there's a parking ordinance that has about $246,000 of improvements for the parking utility um open space improvements for 615,000 and then the multi-purpose which I'm going to go through um each of these
slides pretty quickly but the multi-purpose is about $14 million and I want to just note that we did meet um as a group with all of the Departments um with the administration and uh with David Cohen as the chair of the finance
committee we went through all of the capital budgets and we were able to bring the number down by about $15 million and and the way that we did that was by looking at reserves that we already have on um on hand that were not used yet and then just realistically
what our expectation is of what we can accomplish in a given year um we always think staff I know di will wholeheartedly agree that it's great for us when we get these done early in the year because then they have access to the funds a lot quicker so with that uh
let me start with police um they their Capital requests kind of mimic um the same types of things each year uh they have car cameras and body cameras that they are looking um to continue to upgrade sirens and lights for the police
vehicles and uh some uh Alp cameras um Information Technology they're looking to do a replacement on the 911 phone system and then some minor um surveillance cameras mobile devices
and some handsets for our desk uh our desk phones in Recreation once we went through all of the capital requests the recreation community park South rehab the request for 2025 was actually $10
million um but then Evan you know he knew realistically he's not going to look at using that money and moving forward with that project until late in 2025 and so once we were able to make the reductions of $15 million then o
sorry then we went back and added back in $2.5 million for some of the uh design work that he may be able to do later this year and 2.5 million was the number that we came up with and I think that he's he's going to be he's
satisfied with that um in addition they have some vehicles that they're replacing as part of their Fleet uh replacement plan and then some minor um fence repairs and a landscape trailer and some recycling cans for our parks
uh the library um again this is another department that we see a lot of the similar um budget requests from them each year technology Replacements although this year is more than most years um their furniture and Equipment that's something that we see every year
from them and then uh they wanted to do one of the children's floor Furnitures which was re really a newer request um the health department we are replacing an Animal Control vehicle and it's hard to believe but when it's all equipped uh
that is actually the price tag for for the um animal control in engineering you know Deana has the majority of the bigger projects which are always the road projects the streetscape improvements um storm water
and storm drainage I know they're working on with uh some of the new RS that came out of D the last couple of years so she has one of the uh the higher Capital budgets and her requests were a lot and and when we went through them she brought a lot of them down um
from what she had originally request it uh sewer operating this is actually a small year for them I know it doesn't look small but usually they have uh inii replacement and some sewer infrastructure and that's usually in the millions so this request was actually
and these were the only three things that they asked for this year um streets and Roads again it's mostly vehicle replacement I I think we've been doing a really good job the last couple of years with replacing a lot of the um the trucks and the the dump trucks and the
plows and um just kind of moving them forward with uh with some really older equipment that they've had and that they've been using for quite some time uh buildings and grounds mostly um the improvements here are related to
Witherspoon uh Hall Monument Hall and I know uh they did some uh carpeting Replacements last year in the police department and so we are looking also for doing some building painting in this building it's probably not been painted since the building uh renovation or this
building was um was constructed and also some uh parking lot upgrades for this parking lot out here um fire their biggest uh request for this year was for some personal protective equipment and they had some minor things for radios and Fire
Equipment as well Emergency Services again one of their they have big uh the personal protective equipment as well and they had a request for a drone which we have you know kicked around and kicked down the down the uh alley a few
a few years in a row and it seemed like this was the the proper year to move move forward with that with their request um Park paring minor repairs um on some of the on the interior of the parking garage some lighting repairs and
uh cameras at the parking garage as well and open space um we have some repairs for Quarry Park that we've talked about some foot Bridge repairs there's tree removal micro Forest um and these will
all be provided for the funding for these will come out of when I issue the debt on them it will come out of the open space um budget and that's kind of a quick overview but like I mentioned you do have three ordinances that will hold the public hearing on this evening and then
hopefully move to uh for adoption thank you Sandy any Brian uh Sandy we have about if I read the ordinance is correctly about $14 million of bonds that will be issued I'm
just curious how much debt is maturing um this year well the actual authorization I think is closer to a million U I'm sorry 11 million the 14 includes the total of all the projects we do not have debt falling off this
year as a matter of fact our debt service increased because I did sell bonds at the end of uh 2024 so these projects will not be financed and I won't issue debt on these probably for a couple of years yet I mean we have we have pretty we're pretty
flush with with cash right now um so funding for these will not actually hit in terms of uh our debt service for a couple of years yet okay just want to uh flag as a future issue the um multi-year Capital
plan which I know we have I do we review that as a full Council I think there's a six-year there is a six-year plan I have we done that with in a public meeting I think it's just been a finance I think I have yeah I think we did go over it kind of
briefly um but the numbers are big I mean Brian and I met on um on we looked at the six-year plan really in depth and some of the numbers are are quite significant and I think you know we'll go through the same process of you know what can be pushed out for a further
year what's really something essential that we need to uh to do a capital project for and I mean we make those tough decisions each year before we bring the um ordinances even to council I know uh finance committee spends a significant amount of time as
well yes so yeah my two observations from that and thank you for the time um you gave me Sandy were that the numbers are big and that it looks like some challenging decisions will need to be made in future years yeah
absolutely other comments or questions okay well we do the uh the three uh public hearings and uh see if there's more questions during that ordinance 22505 Pond ordinance providing for various improvements to the parking utility in and by Princeton in the
county of Mercer New Jersey appropriating $246,000 therefore and authorizing the issuance of $246,000 bonds or notes of Princeton to finance the cost thereof is there a uh David's got the motion Michelle's got the second
questions or comments uh from the council Michelle well just to clarify so the open space goes from the to the open space fund but the um the repairs to Spring Street Garage come from this the parking utility which is we don't have
to bond for it we're borrowing against monies that we have so just to clarify right Sandy so what we have been doing um in the parking utility on the capital projects there um the only only Debt Service that the parking utility has currently it was for the parking
structure um because the parking utility does so well and it's self-sufficient we're able to provide the financing for these capital projects as an operating expense um and we have saved significant amount of money by doing by doing that
as opposed to issuing debt on these okay okay other questions or comments on this one any public comment on this one anybody online okay roll call vote Please Mr
McDonald yes Miss Peron lambrose yes Mr Cohen yes Miss saxs yes Miss Fraga yes Mr nulan yes carried thank you ordinance 20256 Bond ordinance providing for various Capital Improvements for open
space purposes in and by Princeton in the county of Mercer New Jersey appropriating $615,000 therefore and authorizing the issuance of $584,900 bonds or notes of Princeton to finance part of the cost thereof is
there a motion on that thank you Mia is there a second thank you Michelle questions or comments by the council all right see none any members of the public anybody on Zoom all right see no questions we have
a roll call vote Please Mr McDonald yes Miss Peron lambros yes Mr Cohen yes Miss sax yes Miss Fraga yes Mr nulan yes carried thank you ordinance 20257 Bond ORD is providing for various Capital
Improvements in and by Princeton in the county of Mercer New Jersey appropriating 14,1 18117 therefore and authorizing the issuance of 12, 694,000 $770 bonds or notes of Princeton to finance part of the cost
thereof thank you Leighton David's got the second questions comments from the council I see none questions or comments from the public in the room or some anybody on Zoom all right see none roll call vote
Please Mr McDonald yes Miss pron lambrose yes Mr Cohen yes Miss s yep M froga yes Mr nulan yes carried thank you ordinance introductions we have two ordinance 20258 in ordinance by
the municipality of Princeton concerning fees for zoning permits and amending chapter 2 of the code of the burrow of Princeton New Jersey 1974 and chapter 10B of the code of the township of Princeton New Jersey 1968 the public hearing would be April 14th 2025 is
there a mo thank you David as the motion Michelle has the second roll call vote please Mr McDonald yes Miss Peron lambros yes Mr Cohen yes Miss Sachs yes Miss Fraga yes Mr nulan yes carried thank you
ordinance 20259 an ordinance by the municipality of Princeton regulating speed limits on certain streets and amending chapter 11 of the code of the bur of the code of the tawnship for Princeton New Jersey 1968 the public hearing would be April 14th 2025 is there D David for the
motion latisia for the second roll call vote Mr McDonald yes Miss Peron lambrose yes Mr Cohen yes Miss saxs yes Miss Fraga yes Mr nulan yes carried thank you resolutions 25109 resolution of the
mayor and Council of Princeton authorizing site license agreements with crown castle fiber LLC for three locations 702 Cherry Hill Road 139 Mountain Avenue and 45 Stanley Avenue is there remote Brian's got the motion Leon's got the second questions or
comments uh none okay all in favor please say hi hi hi 25110 resolution of the mayor and Council of Princeton authorizing the award of her Professional Services agreement to Aurora and Associates PC for engineering design services for the Stony Brook
Culvert replacement project for 94,6 110 thank you David for the motion Mia's got the second questions or comments I see none all in favor please say I I I 25111 resolution of the mayor and Council of Princeton authorizing the
award of a contract to Princeton canoe and kayak rental LLC for a license to operate the canoe and kayak rental concession at turning Bas park for the 2025 2026 seasons for $58,500 letisia has got the motion leighton's got the
second questions or comments seeing none all in favor please say I I I 25112 resolution of the mayor and Council for the municipality of Princeton authorizing Princeton affordable housing program home Rehabilitation loans
2025-the say I I I 25113 resolution of the mayor and Council of Princeton authorizing the award of a contract to all American Ford of pamis for three 2025 Ford Escape vehicles for use by the building department for an amount not to exceed $11
16,540 utilizing the New Jersey Cooperative purchasing Alliance contract bc- B24 d43 and someone would move that thank you Leighton is there a second thank you
Ryan questions or comments yes M so David a number of years ago we were looking at our vehicle our Fleet Management program and how to cut costs and um I I'm just wondering if you can what
happened with that initiative and also if you could uh you know like how often are we it just seems like a lot of vehicle purchases come uh to us and and are are are do you
know can you place the the the the frequency of these purchases showing up for us to pass in the context of our wanting to um yeah cut costs
so absolutely um first of all while we never formally um I don't think adopted a policy the the point of that effort was to uh minimize the
lifetime cost of ownership which in many cases actually requires frequent turnover of vehicles because new vehicles cost a lot less to own than old vehicles with their repair they're poor
fuel economy so um that's the general answer is we may it may seem like we're buying a lot of vehicles but we may be selling them as well and as long as we're not increasing the number of vehicles in the fleet were um working
towards the goal that that we had talked about some years ago and and Tim vett our fleet manager is very much on board with that um that all being said these are vehicles for the building department which is sort of a different
animal altogether um because they're paid for out of the building permits that are received and um so it and those turnover I think even faster but often times they're handed down um to the municipality from the
building departments and um help to refresh uh the fleet um so who is minding the store on this who who um gives permission for the new vehicles and and who submits the criteria for
justification there's a lot of time during the budget process where we sit down with Sandy we sit down with the department heads and we are very aggressive in questioning vehicle replacement and we're very aggressive with Tim from who heads the uh garage of Public Works about when do we need a
vehicle as David said exactly how long are we keeping a vehicle what's the Tipping Point for where a vehicle starts to cost too much and it's actually more cost effective to replace it um I think even though we don't have anything in writing per se the whole idea about controlling the size of the fleet the
types of vehicles we put Tim and Dan through the ringer on that especially because that's most of the vehicles are are public works but we did that with every Department we did it with the police department we did it with Recreation so I think that we' have been um very clear on the on voicing the
concerns that you just voiced okay and making sure that uh everybody understands that we want to have as few Vehicles as possible and uh but overall the more important thing is more important thing is to control the overall cost of the fleet yeah and the the one other other thing that I will
say is that a lot of the efforts around that uh were instigated by the Ino committee and um Fleet Management has always been responsibility of that Council committee um unfortunately there wasn't room for
me on Ino this year or last year so it's not something I've been too actively involved in but um Ino should be uh looking at those those issues and I'm going to use this opportunity to ask asked di a question because I know that
you had a question for Tim about whether these were electric vehic EVS or hybrids or whatnot and I never saw the answer it might be in the packet but could you tell us whether these are EVS or hybrids they they are plug-in hybrids so they
currently uh the building department has plug-in hybrids and we will be replacing those with new plug-in hybrids the the market um and the availability for the EVS just it's not keeping up with demand
at this point and so um Tim's Done Right by what he needs to do to keep our Fleet running and that is going with the um plugin hybrids at this point and that allows us as David said to push those
other vehicles down into the fleet and then hopefully retire some of our uh gas only vehicles through the process thanks um and I I just want to say I have tremendous uh confidence in Tim Vata I
mean that's uh it just we haven't discussed this in a while and actually it hasn't come up in ino in recent years at all um so I I just want to know um that was quite a raised eyebrow
David anyway yes I who is chairing I know so um uh at any rate I think it's important for the public to just hear periodically that we are not just approving you know vehicles and so it's
good to know this year there that this was vetted in the context of the departmental budget discussions which actually I think is very appropriate place for it um and um that's all good thank you thank you any other questions or
comments all right all in favor please say I hi hi 25114 resolution of the mayor and Council of Princeton authorizing the award Award of a Professional Services agreement to Green bomb Rose Smith and Davis LLP for an amount not to exceed $100,000 for Legal Services related to affordable housing
planning and Redevelopment thank you Mia Brian's got the second questions or comments i' seen none all in favor please say I hi 25115 resolution of the mayor and Council of Princeton authorizing change
order number one to the Spring Street Parking Garage repair program 2023 contract with Marv waterproofing Inc for an increase of $5,900 resulting in a new contract total of 1,115
900 Michelle's got the motion and Brian's got the second questions or comments all in favor please say I I I I 25116 resolution of the mayor and Council of Princeton authorizing their purchase of an arc GI s Urban Online
subscription an initial capability deployment and knowledge transfer Workshop from environmental systems Research Institute Inc for 73514 thou sorry $ 73,5 14 utilizing New
Jersey state contract 25- tle e-82221407 yeah yeah would you want to do that do you want to do it okay so this is a program which actually is really useful in the planning World it has the capab it's a it's essentially a CAD program
that has the capability to model the um the built environment and that could mean uh speculatively imagining what could happen under our current zoning to see what it would look at look like at buildout it can model um what changes in
zoning what impact they might have on the built environment um it'll also be very useful if we start moving towards form-based uh zoning code uh which we hope to do in the future thank you J I just want to say this is something I've
been advocating for for I think five or six years since far I was on Council and I I'm really thrilled that the capabilities that this will provide for our planning department are essential and and um it's been a a long wait I'm
not sure why but I'm I'm just glad that it finally is is happening okay any other questions or comments yeah I just I just want to say I I've read this pretty carefully this is one heck of a tool that Justin will be able to put to use that I I want to
see this in action this this is really something special great thank you Brian you had a comment also yes I love um the technology um that this has is this an upfront cost with an annual licensing
fee or is this an annual fee this is the my sense is that this is more than just the annual fee because it includes the training um which you can see right in the description of the ordinance but I'm sure there will be
some large fraction of this amount that will be the ongoing annual fee yeah I know this is the upfront and the annual is a lot less but I forget the number and I there's too many pages here for me to find it real quick
sorry other questions or comments all in favor please say I I 25117 resolution of the mayor and Council of Princeton authorizing the award of a bid contract to us athletic fields Inc for mowing for an amount not to exceed
96,9 Mia's got the motion Michelle's got the second questions or comments all right all in favor please say I I I 25118 resolution of the mayor and Council of Princeton authorizing the award of a bid contract to us athletic fields Inc for Turf Management Services
for an amount not to exceed 9,930 66 someone would move that Leon's got the motion David's got the second questions or comments yes M um I thought we didn't where do we have turf it's
some secretly install Turf it's not artificial turf it's uh like herbicide fertilizer that kind of turf got it just have to ask natural in this case grass equals tur a natural tur other questions or
comments no all right all in favor please say I I I know there are 13 items on the consent agenda are you could you ask her if she here to speak to any item on the consent agenda
or 131 you said okay can we if it's our with everybody could we take that resolution out of the consent agenda yes okay all right so we're going to do that one next I just have to read it off 25131 resolution of the mayor and
Council of Princeton designating Bernard haavik as the Ada coordinator for the municipality of Princeton and leighton's got the motion thank you very much is there a second letisia has got the second did she want to make a did Ronda
want to make a comment on that and if you could just name and address and the three minute timer will pop up on the screen name address and the time three minute time name is Rhonda have it use mailing
address P box 4644 CH New Jersey 08034 3 minutes parck mhm I think you're just adopting a new Ada grievance procedure for the first time [Music] correct two more years are going to be
even lower so you recently adopted a new Ada Act griev procedure correct yes that's what we're doing very hard to pronounce Bernard's last name the township administrator
but if you go through him to make a complaint not satisfied then you go to the mayor correct sure you can go to the mayor you're the mayor I am
so both you and the administrator for the town going to receive training for training on the Ada will receive training the
question the question is that will you and um Bernard also be willing to receive training on the Ada yeah yes I well I can't speak for for him but I would imagine the answer is yes and I have a lot of experience with Ada regulations so
sure you said you already have a lot of experience but you know you can get training certificat kid did your town ever do a self evaluation plan I don't know that we have or have not Bernie's not here he's sick tonight
so I can't he's sick so you don't know when he's coming back right well next week I don't know exactly no he's sick Maybe I just have to file an opra see if they did a self evaluation plan
but he might want to see this one is very good okay maybe I can be the third person to file 8 complaint here right but you're not really ready yet right you're not
ready yet right to receive complaints I'm not I'm sorry I'm not ready to receive complaints you're not ready yet to receive complaints well no I'd prefer that we let Bernie answer the question and if she leaves us her contact information we could reply to
her I'll be around this week sorry to say stop by the office maybe me couple few days maybe he'll come back just see he's ready to receive the complaint I want to do inperson
complaint yeah so my reply would be she could leave a complaint with us anytime she she wants if she wants us to get her a reply from our administrator again if she leaves her contact information we can let her know when he's back in the
office right you have form to do an ADA complaint but the people with a disabilities can do other can do an inperson complaint in person have to set up appointment yeah she wants to be able to
set up an appointment I'm sorry she's asking well probably that would make more sense because I mean people have other things to do all day so I don't know that people are just going to drop everything for a complaint to come in right make an appointment right that'd be great that's what I'm
saying yeah yeah no I know do on the spot cuz to get The Interpreter you have have to set up an appointment I know have to find out wait till you're ready because you're saying here that ordinance
25131 to appoint somebody but you got to finalize it well got to ratify it I'm sorry I just want to make sure I'm following right are we going to finalize this I mean the resolution we're go ahead jump in we are making it right now so once we
vote on it it'll be done will be ratified yes once we vote okay so I sat down and just wait to see the vote right yes yeah yeah but we wanted to hear her comments before we
voted my comment is that I think it's great that maybe finally Princeton will have a for it later maybe it'll be the first
time I am not sure it's possible you know it's a lot more than saying have experience with the Ada there's technical manuals involved yep
hopefully complain won't be political eyes or anything like that that's starting point right it is and we thank her for her interest you're
welcome okay any other questions or comments on that all in favor please say I I I okay are we all good with the other items in the consent agenda staying in the consent agenda yeah yep letisia is
mooving the consent agenda Leighton has the second all in favor please say I I I that is all passed David I move we adjourn is there a second thank you Michelle all in favor say I I we are done thank you good evening have a great night everybody