Thank you. >> Good evening and welcome. This is a regular meeting of the Princeton Planning Board on Thursday, February 19, 2026. Pursuant to section 13 of the Open Public Meetings Act, adequate notice of the time and place of this meeting has
been given by prominently posting the resolution of regularly scheduled meetings of this planning board for February 2026 through January 2027. A copy was filed with the clerk of Princeton on January 14, 2026.
Legal notice on the adoption of said resolution was published in the January 16, 2026 edition of the Princeton packet. Notice of this meeting also has been posted to the municipal website, princetonj.gov/calendar. Notice that all regular and special meetings of the Princeton Planning Board
will be held electronically via Zoom was transmitted to the Princeton packet and the Times and was filed with the clerk of Princeton on Tuesday, January 14, 2026. Please note that this meeting is being recorded. During hearings on applications for
development, members of the public will have an opportunity to comment and ask questions. Public comment is heard by the board after an applicant's representatives have finished their presentations and have been questioned by planning board members and staff. Those wishing to comment orally should
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obscenity, hate speech, or relating to matters not before the board will be muted. Justin, will you call the role or Dera or whoever is >> I will. >> Great. Thank you. >> No problem, Madam Chair. Mr.
Buddingheimr >> present. >> Councilman Cohen, >> Mayor Freda, Mr. McGawan >> here. >> Miss Na, Mr. O'Donnell,
>> Miss Palmada >> here, >> Miss Swimmer >> here, >> Mr. Taylor >> here. Miss Wilson Anderson >> here. >> Chair Wilson >> here.
>> You have a quorum. >> Thank you. Um so item 2A, which is not listed on our agenda, but is a happy bit of business, is the um swearing in uh of our new
member, Linda Schwimmer. Welcome again. >> Thank you. >> Um Jerry, let's see. Linda, you received the the oath. Is that correct? Okay. So, sometimes I know it's hard to follow along unless you're looking at a copy of
the text. >> Yeah. >> Um >> Jerry, would you do the honors, please? >> Linda, if you could raise your right hand, >> and then if you could just read um the the copy that you've gotten of the oath of office. >> Sure.
I, Linda Schwmer, sincerely profess and swear that I do and will bear true faith and allegiance to the government established in this state under the authority of the people. I do solemnly swear that I will support the Constitution of the United States of
America and the Constitution of the State of New Jersey and that I will faithfully, impartially, and justly perform all the duties of the Office of Princeton Planning Board Class 2 member
according to the best of my ability and understanding. >> Okay. Sworn. Um, so sworn and you're now a member of the board. Congratulations and welcome aboard. >> Thanks. >> Yeah, that's great. It's great to have you. Um,
next up we have announcements. Um, uh, I Well, any board members or staff have announcements to make? Okay, that I just want to point out to the board and also to members of the public who are in the attendees room
that we'll we'll take a break at, you know, roughly 9 9:15 um of 10 minutes or so and um we have a hard stop at 11:00. So um that's just uh FYI.
Um any other announcements? Not seeing any. Okay. Um subcommittee reports. I know that the site plan subcommittee uh met today, but also know that given that Mr.
Cohen is chair of that committee and would normally be giving the report, I don't know whether anybody else who's on the committee who was there might want to report out. If not, we can uh >> I can actually speak on on behalf. Okay. So, for the site plan committee, this
was the Hobson connector uh between Woohaul and Hobson College. Um it was a an enlargement of a uh connected hallway that included the addition of a meeting room and a pantry and just a few other
light rooms. So it was very confined to uh the rooftop and there were some HVAC enlargements as well. Um so it was deemed by the uh group it was voted as um minor site plan classification and um
and and request to approve uh the plant uh from you and the board. >> Okay. Okay. Good. Thank you. Um, so
we're moving on to ordinance referrals. We have um, uh, eight of them on the agenda. I think we are skipping one of them. Item G is uh, as I understand it. Um,
uh, Mr. There you are, Justin. Hi. >> Hello. Um, I will uh turn it over to you to to to start us into this to these um these ordinances for I'm sorry. First, let me
just say for members of the public um we will invite uh comment um on these ordinances. Uh the um business before us tonight of course is master plan consistency. the
the hearings that take place on these ordinances take place before council. So, when we take um when we hear your comments tonight, we'll um swear people in, but this is not a a public hearing that we're
conducting tonight on these on these ordinances. We will be conducting a public hearing on the on the Princeton um eating club application later on. Okay, Justin. And again, just to emphasize what what the chair said, the only purpose is for the board to
determine whether the ordinances are substantially consistent with the master plan. >> Right. Thank you. >> Thank you, Madam Chair. Um I will re reiterate a little of what I said last week for uh these ordinance referrals
that you have before you. Um this is the second of three meetings where you'll be reviewing ordinances for master plan consistency. Um and it includes the majority of ordinances for our fourth round housing plan element and share uh fair share plan, excuse me. Um before
our March 15th deadline from the state to adopt all uh ordinances for that plan. Um these ordinances are for resonings and overlay districts that allow for the realistic opportunity for the construction of affordable housing. Plus one at the end is a modification of an existing overlay. Um, like Jerry just
said and like the chair said prior, um, the board's task is to review the ordinances for consistency with the adopted master plan, which does include that, um, fourth round housing plan element and fair share plan that you saw back in June. Um, regardless of your determination of consistency, these
ordinances will then go to the council for hearings at their next meeting on Monday. Uh, turning to the ordinances, the first one may look like deja vu all over again. Um, I'm going to summarize the memo that Nathan Foot and I uh uh
published with a revised date on February 13th. Ordinance 20261 establishes the affordable housing district 10, AH10, on one lot at 245247 Nassau Street. Um, the board reviewed this at the last meeting and found it
was substantially consistent with the master plan and recommended approval of it. Uh, the council then amended the ordinance at their meeting on February 9th. So that's why we're doing this again. Um, basically everything is the same as the last time except the council
made a change requiring uh the commercial use of up to 3,300 square ft on the ground floor. The way it was written last time, it didn't necessarily require it. Um, but that was always the intention of the ordinance and also how the concept plan for the site was shown
in the um fourth round housing plan element um in the appendix that I showed last time. Uh and just as a reminder, this is um the site that's uh roughly across from Hogi Haven um and behind uh uh J Cles over there. Um and this change
really just solidifies uh what we've done with other affordable housing mechanisms in the past. Um like some of the uh affordable housing overlays where you've seen applications come through and they've been required to have commercial on the first floor. Uh the AH10 ordinance otherwise allows 95
multif family apartment units behind the commercial space and on the upper floors. At least 20% of the residential units are required to be designated as affordable housing with no less than 18 affordable units. Uh the maximum height is five stories and 65 ft. And I could
go into the other bulk standards if you'd like um uh that we talked about last time, but I know we do have a lot to cover tonight. Um it's still our opinion um that this ordinance is substantially consistent with the master plan uh for the same reasons that we mentioned last time and that we will probably mention a couple more times
tonight. Um first and foremost um uh this was called for in the housing element and fair share plan. Um, and it also meets many other goals of the master plan that was adopted by this board in 2023. Uh, including the land use ones, mobility ones, uh, utility
ones, and natural resource conservation goals, um, that come with an in town infill project. Um, and I'm happy to take any questions you would like or go into more detail. Um, I summarized that a little because we had the discussion last time, but I'm happy to uh, expound
upon any of it. >> Okay. >> Thank you. Um questions from board members for Justin. Not seeing any. Um sorry, moving over to the participants
area. We have um nine attendees. Um would any of you in the attendees room um wish to address the board uh about this um ordinance, this minor change from the
ordinance that was already found to be consistent. Not seeing any hands go up. So, I will close the public comment and invite any final thoughts uh about this or a
motion to find um the ordinance substantially consistent with the master plan and recommend approval. >> So, moved. >> Seconded. >> Thank you, Mr. McGawan and Mr. Bodheimer. Um call the role, please.
Dedra >> certainly Mr. Bodingham. >> Yes. >> Mr. McGawan. >> Yes. >> Miss Perutter. >> Yes. >> Miss Swimmer. >> Yes. >> Mr. Taylor. >> Yes.
>> Miss Wilson Anderson. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Motion carried. >> Thank you. Um, next up we have, you know, I didn't read the whole first ordinance. I'm going to do that starting now. Sorry if
I um confused things. Next up is the ordinance 2026-03, an ordinance of the municipality of Princeton amending chapter 10, excuse me, T10B
entitled land use the municipality of Princeton to create the affordable housing district 15 AH15 in furtherance of the Fair Housing Act. >> Justin. >> Yes. Thank you, Madam Chair. Um, this is
another ordinance that was introduced on January 27th, but then it was reintroduced due to a substantive change that was made. Um, the board did not hear it at the last board meeting, however, since we knew about the change beforehand and pulled it from the agenda. Um, this ordinance establishes
the AH15 affordable housing district on one lot at 457 North Harrison Street. Uh, and I could show a map from um, appendix N of the master plan uh, to show the location of this site. Um,
North Harrison Street runs this way. The shopping center uh, and the Alice building would be offscreen to the lower right. Um, the, uh, affordable housing uh, that was created in the third round. The the senior living is also uh, uh, to
the east, I suppose that would be. Um and the Avalon uh housing over there as well on Thanet Road. Um >> so this is right where Bun Drive peels off. >> That is correct. The the charter school is right here um at the triangle. >> Right. Great.
>> Um the the lot is currently developed with an underutilized office building with extensive surface parking which you can kind of see under the the red. Um and it is located in the O2 uh office research zone of the former township.
This ordinance would allow for up to 191 multifamily apartments on this uh within this zone. Um at least 20% are required to be designated as affordable with a minimum of 40 affordable units uh required. Um and those would count towards uh obviously our fourth round
plan and the overall number that we need. Um the 40unit requirement was inadvertently left out of the introduced ordinance uh due to a drafting error and that was the cause for the reintroduction. Um for those that could do quick math or uh maybe have a
calculator in front of them uh 40 is more than the 20%. Um so that's why uh we wanted to uh make sure that that was in there. Um so we're getting that one extra unit um on this one. Uh the maximum building height that would
be allowed in this ordinance is five stories and 65 ft. The maximum impervious coverage is 80%. Uh 1.5 parking spaces are required for each residential uses and those can be on surface lots or in enclosed garages. Um and actually I can show the concept plan
that we have in the appendix to show uh roughly where the building would be in this um uh thicker black outline. Um, and this is the first floor where there would be uh garage parking, but also you see some surface parking in front of the
building uh and to the rear of it. Um, access will be from this new uh two-lane road, um, off of North Harrison Street, uh, which also includes a pedestrian walkway, I believe, next to it. Um, uh, the dual use path on North Harrison
Street will stay. Um, as we continue to put North Harrison Street on a road diet and make it pedestrian friendly, uh, this ordinance also recommends that the developer seek um, a cross access easement uh, to the senior housing
development adjacent to it off of Thanet Road. And that's this this is not exactly where things will go. Um but uh there we're hoping that there can be some sort of connection to that already developed um senior affordable housing
that ends up leading out to Thanet. um uh to to make these less that less like disperate sites and more connected. Um uh we we can't require that of the applicant because it uh or of any future
developer because it uh would require cooperation um with the the other site that they don't have control over. Um, and it would also require uh uh probably variances before this board um from some of the banked parking requirements that were here on this green space. Uh, so
that just still remains to be seen. Um, but it is included in the ordinance to send the message that we we want that to happen. Um, so again, we find this ordinance to be substantially consistent with the master plan. It is included in the fourth round housing plan element and fair share plan. Uh, and it also
meets master plan goals to create more housing in Princeton in different forms available to different income levels. Um, it meets mobility goals to reduce inbound commuting by providing in town housing. Um, and it meets utility and natural resource conservation goals by
redeveloping an already developed parcel. Thank you, Madam Chair. >> Um, thank you. Can you uh tell me um how the 65 foot height require I mean uh limit how does
that compare with the height that's allowed and has been built over on the Avalon Thanet project? >> That's a good question. I I don't know the exact numbers off the top of my head. Um but uh part of the reason that that was developed the way it was is
because um the these are large lots um where the buildings can kind of be sensitively placed and they're not necessarily overlooking any uh neighborhoods or anything like that. So I don't know those off the top of my head. I would imagine probably >> Okay. Sorry. I didn't mean to spring it on you.
>> No problem. >> Occurred to me as you were talking. Um, and I'm really glad you mentioned that connection, which would be a, you know, a vehicle as well as pedestrian connection between those two neighborhoods and um, and really make it
one neighborhood. And it wouldn't necessarily need to be just that one place, right? I mean, could there be another connection maybe further up um directly instead of to the senior to the uh instead of to Pearl
>> to the Avalon Bay 2 or instead it just >> could be or both or or potentially neither if there's no willingness on the part of the neighboring property owner to >> operate. Yeah, I think at the very least we can
um during the site plan review make those recommendations uh to any sort of developer um for pedestrian access, you know, including even potentially to the Church and Dwight building. Um the uh specific call out here for uh the cross
access easements is really to talk about uh vehicular access to to those other ones. So, it's not set in stone where it's going to be, but that's something that um I think it would be clear from this ordinance that the council wants. Um through your endorsement, it' probably be clear that that you want
that. Um unless you say otherwise. Um and that's a pretty strong message to any future developer. >> Thank you. Um other questions for Mr. Leco? Seeing none, I will um
invite um part uh excuse me, attendees um of which there are eight. If any of you would like to uh address the board about this ordinance, uh now's the time to virtually raise your hand.
Okay, not seeing any. So, um would uh would someone like to make a motion to find this ordinance substantially as consistent with the master plan and recommend approval noting our um uh enthusiasm for the
pedestrian and circulation connections between this end >> ring sites. >> Mr. Taylor. So moved and I recommend approval. It's consistent. >> Thank you. Is there a second?
>> Second. >> Thanks, Miss Anderson. Um, Miss Battle, would you call the role, please? >> Certainly. Mr. Bodenheimimer, >> yes. >> Mr. McGawan? >> Yes. >> Miss Pearlmutter? >> Yes.
>> Miss Swimmer? >> Yes. >> Mr. Taylor? >> Yes. Miss Wilson Anderson. >> Yes. >> Chair Wilson. >> Yes. >> Motion carried. >> Thank you.
Um, next up we have ordinance 2026-04, an ordinance of the municipality of Princeton amending chapter B17A entitled land use and zoning of the municipality of Princeton to create the affordable housing district 8 AH in
furtherance of the Fair Housing Act. >> Mr. Leco. >> Yes. Thank you, Madam Chair. Um, this ordinance establishes the affordable housing district 8, like was just mentioned, which would be comprised of one lot at 145 Witherspoon Street. Um,
those who have been on the board since 2021 would have remembered uh this property. Um, it received an approval. There's currently a a two-story office building um north of uh part of the uh uh
cemetery um off of Witherspoon Street. and they received an approval for uh to increase their office 5 years ago and that just never happened. Um the lot still currently contains a two-story office building that has not been occupied for for a number of years now.
Um and it has associated parking in the rear. It's located in the RB residence business zone of the former burrow. Um and uh it is also in the AHO7 I believe
currently. Um and uh in this fourth round uh plan um the AH8 zone would allow for up to 25 multifamily residential apartment units uh with 20% of them designated as affordable with a minimum number of five affordable units.
Um uh retail sales and service businesses are required on the ground floor. Uh so similar to that 245 Nassau one we just discussed. So then the commercial would go behind those and above uh them. Um
and >> the residential would go behind and above. >> Excuse me. The residential would be behind and above. Um the maximum per permitted height is four stories and 50 ft. The maximum impervious coverage is 97% which I know sounds very high um but is
similar to the existing imperous coverage that's on the site. Uh per the proposed ordinance, no off- streetet parking is required for the first five residential units uh with a half a parking space required per unit. Um after that, which is pretty similar to
what we've seen um in our third round uh affordable housing mechanisms like the overlays. Um no spaces are required for commercial uses, which again is similar to what we saw in the AHO one over on
Nassau Street in North two lane. Um and the the maximum front yard setback is 10 ft to bring the property uh the the building closer to the front of the property. Um and uh as for master plan consistency, uh we found that this is
substantially consistent with um obviously the fourth round plan because it's in there. Uh but also many other goals of the Princeton master plan. Um again, uh that Princeton needs more housing, especially at different price points um and in different styles. um
that uh uh uh to enhance the existing pattern of land use in town, particularly by strengthening mixeduse centers like we see on Witherspoon Street. Uh the mobility goals of the plan include again reducing that inbound commuting. Um and uh utility goals and
natural resource conservation goals are uh met by repurposing an existing uh developed site. So, I'm happy to take any questions you may have, Madam Chair. >> Okay. Um, >> and I could show the image if you'd like to. Sorry about that.
>> Sure. Yeah, I think I think it would be good. I mean, when I walk by this all the time because I live right in the area and but not within 200 feet. >> Um, as you can see, it's bordered to the south and to the east by the um
cemetery. And while you know maybe not everybody wants to live next to a cemetery, it's actually very very beautiful view from from those um dwellings. So at least those that face south and east. Um
and it and it will, you know, as will so many other projects along Weatherspoon, you know, further activate that corridor, which is which will be nice to see. Um, okay. So, I'll stop talking. Other other
questions uh or comments for Justin before I invite the public? Okay. Um, for those of you who are in the attendees room, of whom there are now seven, um, would, if any of you would like to
speak to the board about this ordinance, um, now's the time to virtually raise your hand. Not seeing any, so I will close the public comment. Um, invite any last thoughts or a motion.
>> The motion would be to I'm sorry. Go ahead. >> I was about to move approval of whatever it is you're about to say. >> Finding uh the ordinance substantially consistent with the master plan and recommending approval. >> Exactly.
>> Second. >> Was that you, Mr. McGawan? >> It was. >> Okay. Moved by Mr. Bodheimer, seconded by Mr. McGawan. Miss Battle, would you call the role, please? >> Absolutely. Mr. Bingheimimer. >> Yes. >> Mr. McGawan? Yes,
>> Miss Pearl Mutter. >> Yes, >> Miss Whmer. >> Yes, >> Mr. Taylor. >> Yes, >> Miss Wilson Anderson. >> Yes, >> Sharer Wilson. >> Yes. >> Motion carry.
>> Thank you. Um, next up we have ordinance 2026-05, an ordinance of the municipality of Princeton amending chapter B17A entitled land use and zoning and zoning of the municipality of Princeton to
create the affordable housing overlay district 9 that's AH9 in furtherance of the fair housing act. Mr. Leco. >> Yes, thank you Madam Chair and I will share the map that was included in your packet. Um and from the fourth round
plan uh on this one um this ordinance uh would create affordable housing overlay nine um comprised of the six lots that you see here in red. Um these lots uh uh Nassau Street is to the south. North
Harrison Street um is uh uh north to south next to the lots. Um, and these include uh currently uh a medical office um fronting North Harrison Street as well as the building housing um the whole earth center grocery store um the
restaurant site next to it that's currently being renovated um and two uh house uh structures that were probably built as houses that have been used as commercial space uh recently. Um, this is an overlay district which is
slightly different from the the resonings that we've just seen in those other ones. So, the underlying zoning would stay what it is today. Um, and that underlying zoning, let me just verify, I believe it's a combination of
the uh neighborhood business and residential business if I remember correctly. um on these sites. Um this overlay would um allow for up to 130 multifamily residential apartment units.
Uh and this ordinance also requires commercial uses on the ground floor uh fronting Nassau North Harrison streets uh with residential uses behind those commercial uses and above them. Um, and that would be above them uh in
uh a stepped back way in the ordinance almost like a uh wedding cake or or a layer cake. Um, there are different requirements in the ordinance for how tall the building can go based on how far it is from Nassau Street and North
Harrison Street. Um there are also uh uh setbacks that can't be built uh that there can be no building in um particularly uh to the north near Queenston Commons um and uh to the south um to be in line with some of the other
uh uh structures that are there. Um I should note that this is outside of the designated Jugtown Historic District um uh but obviously uh very close to it as you approach on Route 27. Um
the proposed ordinance requires a minimum lot area of 75,000 square feet to use. Um and it allows for multi multiple buildings per lot. So we do expect uh any development to be done together um because 75,000 ft um is just
below uh the totality of these six lots. Um the maximum impervious coverage is 90%. Uh and 75 parking spaces are required for each residential unit and one space is required for each uh for
400 square ft of commercial use. However, uh this ordinance does allow for 50% of nonres residential parking to be met through a a shared parking assumption. So essentially we can we can double count um the spaces uh based on
those requirements that I just mentioned. Um and landscape buffers of 15 ft in width are required except in one location. Um I believe that is to uh the Harrison Street garage uh site which you will see next week um with another
uh overlay another ordinance there. And um in our professional opinion uh this ordinance is consistent with the master plan. Um again it is in the fourth round housing element and fair share plan. Uh it um as stated before Princeton needs
more housing especially at lower price points um and particularly in town. Um and uh a land use goal is to enhance the existing pattern of land use uh particularly around uh mixeduse centers that currently exist. Mobility goal
includes reducing inbound commuting. Um and those utility goals and natural resource conservation goals um look favorably upon an infill uh project of an already developed lot. Um and as you see in this picture, not just on this
site, um but in the vicinity, um there is a lot of asphalt uh right now. Uh so these certainly are developed sites. Thank you. >> Yes, I mean I I I dare say it is darn
near 100% >> impervious. Uh there's a nice little tree well in front of Whole Earth Center. I can't think of any other Well, there are some trees uh just in the vicinity of the uh the corner property that was just
approved um for a new project uh by the zoning board. Um questions uh for Justin from board members, Mr. McGawan? >> Yes. Um, in in the ordinance and in most
the ordinance, there is some language. Um, it's it's in the required income uh restriction area. There's a D there. What I'm what I'm asking is what they
put in there is you can't go even if the full complement of units are not built. You can't go build you can't change the number of affordable units. I mean it
it's specified. Um and I didn't see that in in this section. >> You know what I'm talking about. >> Yeah. No. No. And uh uh so I think what Mr. McGawan is pointing to is what I mentioned about uh the 245 uh one for
example, that extra line that says even though it's 20%, here's a minimum number required. Um the reason we don't have that in this one is because uh this is an overlay district. Um so and that's due to the complexity of the parcels um
and potentially ownership of those. So while we have it in our plan for um a set number of units that we expect to come from there uh if this were developed it would be required to do 20% of whatever number are in there. Whereas the other ones which are actual you know
are specific resonings we have that minimum number which essentially determines the maximum number of overall units. Uh this one because it's an overlay, we're not necessarily determining the maximum number of overall units >> or a minimum number of required
affordable units. >> That's correct. Yeah. Through this ordinance, we're not doing that. >> Right. Does the master plan probably should know this before asking the question, but the master plan assign a certain
number of affordable units to this overlay zone? >> Yes, it does. Um, and I don't uh I do know the number. Um, just pull that back up. So, it's our our obligation as a municipality to make sure that one way
or another all of the that that entire number of affordable dwellings assigned to the overlay zone get built. Is that accurate?
>> It is our we include uh the numbers in our plan and it is our responsibility within 10 years to meet the overall number. >> Okay. Okay. >> So, um, Alvin, does that does that get at the question you asked? I'm I I know
it might not completely uh satisfy your concern if there was an underlying concern. I don't mean to jump to conclusions, but >> No, no. Yeah. I mean, it's just that, you know, was in the others. So, yeah. Why Why wouldn't it be why wouldn't it be included here? It seems like it's 130
units. you've for for this location or maximum that's what you have listed. >> That's correct. Yes. Total. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But because it's an overlay and um multiple
owners of multiple lots and properties. >> Yeah. Harder to make that judgment. Um, Freddy Pearlmutter. >> Uh, yeah. This my question is for Jerry and I think I may have asked this once before. Jerry, I live in Queenston
Commons but not abuing this development on the other side on Nassau Street. Um, I I don't know whether I'm within 200 feet or not. Um, can I vote? >> Um, your your unit is not within 200 feet. Although >> I have no I don't know where 200 feet
and my unit is on Nassau Street. Whether it's within within 200 feet or not, I don't know. I think a best bet would be not to since Well, did you get I guess you would not have >> Did I get No, you don't get notice. No, I didn't get any notice from >> Yeah, would not have been since this is
just a a referral to the planning board for consistency review. Um, yeah, I I think maybe it would be better if you did not vote. >> Okay, >> thanks for thanks for asking, Freddie.
Um, okay. If there are no other questions um about this ordinance from board members, I'll invite uh members of the public there. Um, Chris Sturm has her hand raised. So, if you will bring her over
and any other members of the public who uh wish to speak to the board about this, please raise your hand now. Not seeing any others. Um, good evening, Miss Sturm. Welcome.
>> Thank you. Thank you so much. Um, >> um, Mr. Mr. Muller, I'm sorry to interrupt. Mr. Muller will swear you in. Go ahead, Jerry. >> You can raise your right hand. >> Do you swear or affirm the testimony about to give will be the truth? >> Yes, I do. >> Just want to affirm. Please state your full name for the record and spell your last name.
>> Sure. It's Chris Sturm. S T U R M as in Mary. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Well, thank you um so much for the opportunity to testify. Um I um believe that this whole earth proposal is consistent with the master plan um
largely um the shift to walkable, bikable transportation as well as the goal for walkable integrated neighborhoods as opposed to developments that are surrounded by fences but adjacent to each other. And I think you have an opportunity here to kind of move
the ball forward a tiny bit in that regard. Um I um have previously walked from Queenston Commons into the Holer Center because there is a fence that separates the two properties, but it has a gate which is
often open. It was open today and I'm sure people like Frey walk up and buy their groceries. And I would hate to see this new project forest all that opportunity which could easily happen. Um it's not an official path in its entirety, so I don't know the details.
Um there's also another connection, pedestrian connection from the property um to the adjacent um bank site, which I know is not available for development now. It would be a great redevelopment opportunity if it were. At present, there's a gap in the fence between the
two properties of about 15 ft. And there's another very clear desire path there. Um, so you know, I think this is regardless of how you address this, whether you know, you amend the ordinance to like encourage pedestrian
connections or you put it in the notes and highlight it to council. This is a really, in my opinion, um, an important opportunity to help Princeton move towards integrated neighborhoods that are woven together in the way that they used to be built back in the day. and
you know across the country we've gotten away from that. So um I um wanted to provide that to your attention. I think it is a consistency with the master plan issue and again an opportunity to um
both improve this whole earth site as well as to improve the experience of people living and uh shopping people living nearby who shop there. Thank you.
Thank you very much. Thank you. Um and I agree. Um are there other going to participants? Any other participants, excuse me, attendees interested in addressing the board? I'm
not seeing any. So I'll close public comment portion. I saw um Nat, you have a >> I just wanted to say that I agree too. I've I've also walked through that fence and it is a great way to be able to
get there. Another al alternative route. So, >> um good. Thank you for that. Any any other um thoughts, comments, or a motion on 20265?
Oh, I'm sorry, Mur. I did not see your hand up. It faded into the background there. >> I know. I have to do something about that. >> That's all right. No, >> no. I um I just wanted to comment that um I really appreciate Chris's comment and um if it's possible to make that
amendment um to the ordinance proposal in the same way that there was similar language in the last one about the neighborhood, you know, not making it mandatory because of all of the property owner issues. Um, I'm wondering if we
can do that and I would like to to move that if we could. >> Yeah, >> I know exactly how to phrase it. >> Okay. Yeah, I think we can. And the ordinance can be amended in at second reading it because it's not an ordinance which is so substantial
that it would need um reintroduction. >> Okay. So that would be a that you're saying that would be a a change to the ordinance potentially if it were embraced by council that would not require reintroduction of the of the
ordinance >> because that's key >> um >> right we need to keep that in mind that we have a we're in a very tight time frame. >> Yes. Yeah. Mr. Leco. >> Yeah. Madam Chair, um I think it's a
great idea and I think it's something that we are going to look into um every opportunity for any of these future sites that come up. Um and as you'll see from some of them next week too, you know, like the John Street DPW site, um there certainly should be an opening in
the fence to go to the former packet building. Um those are the kind of things that we would call out during site plan review. whereas this reciprocal access um uh language in the other ordinance specifically mentions um vehicular circulation. Uh so that might
be the difference here. Uh you certainly can make a recommendation to use that same language. Uh however, it would it would also include vehicular which I don't think is is uh what any one wants here. Um or you can make a general
recommendation um whether it's in the ordinance or not to again uh send the message uh when we come back to this uh any sort of application here um for any future developers to know that the board is already thinking about this. >> Yeah, I mean I wouldn't use the same
language for just the reason you gave a the vehicular aspect of it. But you can suggest language which says the ordinance should be modified to require pedestrian connections between uh Queensson Commons and and the the property in question the site in
question. The only the only concern with that, I guess, depending on that language, >> if Queenston Commons said no, then the project wouldn't happen by the zoning and then we would have an issue with our fourth round plan. You know
what I mean? So, I think we would have to use kind of should pursue um to the maximum maximum extent practicable like we put in the other one. >> Yeah, that's good. I like that. Justin >> when strongly encourage um
>> well it's more than strongly encourage it's um what Justin was just suggesting that that they should do it if it's practical to do so and if they which means secure the consent of of all parties involved and maybe there's other issues as well that we're not even aware of.
>> Yeah. And not just the existing you know maintaining the existing um access points. >> Exactly. but others as well because the same would probably be true of the new um corner
uh uh project as well. >> Yeah. >> Um Freddy Pearl Mutter. >> Yeah. As a Queen Commons resident and I'm not voting. I don't know if I'm allowed to comment but I have used that path many times. Um to call it a pack is
really I mean they it's not really a path. I mean, there happens to be some open space among the trees and there's a, you know, you can kind of go up and down it. The fence, there's no f the fence is open. There's no question about that. But to call it a path is really
>> I'm not sure you really can call it a path. I mean, you can walk your way through it. >> Um, nor am I I have no idea whether the the development, you know, I suspect they would not be opposed to it either, but I have no way of knowing that. I certainly haven't. >> It's an access point though for sure. I
park near it all the time. >> Yeah, >> I know exactly that. I know exactly. >> But it's not I mean you can trip over roots, you can you know you go up it's not a path. >> Okay. Uh Nat. >> Yeah. No, I just I mean I think that you
know uh I I understand what Freddy is saying. Um I mean there is a term of art in the planning profession or the design profession a goat path and it is it is it is a path >> it is a path that is worn and as Chris
Durm said it is clear evidence of of a desire line. I mean it is beaten down. It is it is it is evidence of you know whether it's a paved safe smooth ADA path. you know, this is going to become a
definition of what a path is, but I I I do want to note that it's, you know, the things that that Chris said and >> yeah. Okay. Uh so um certainly hearing enthusiasm o
overall uh and tr I think we need to trust um uh Justin when he makes the recommend or writes the memo uh uh with our um
assuming we approve um and find this substantially consistent and recommend approval. Um with uh um you know adding language uh encouraging uh the retention and
expansion of connect pedestrian connections to neighboring properties to the maximum extent practicable. Is that >> I don't even >> that work Mr. Mueller >> I don't it certainly works. I'm not even sure we need to say retain uh retain. It
might be that there are better places to have it. >> Okay. Sure. >> Have the issues that Freddy was talking >> point taken, right? Yeah. Okay. Um, would someone like to make a motion to that effect? Oh, well, actually, Miss Schwimmer, you already did, didn't you?
>> Yes. >> Affirm the motion. >> Is there a second? >> Second. >> Thanks, Claudia. Um, Miss Battle, would you call the role, please? Certainly, Mr. Bodinghammer.
>> Yes. >> Mr. McGawen. >> Yes. >> Miss Swimmer. >> Yes. >> Mr. Taylor. >> Yes. >> Miss Wilson Anderson. >> Yes. >> Chair Wilson. >> Yes.
>> Motion carried. Um, next up, item E, ordinance 2026-06, an ordinance of the municipality of Princeton amending chapter B17A entitled land use and zoning of the municipality
of Princeton to create the affordable housing overlay district 11 AH11 in furtherance of the fair housing act. Justin. >> Yes. Thank you, Madam Chair. And one thing I just want to note that I just realized, um, these ordinances are in
order of, uh, when they were introduced at council. So, we're going 1 2 3 4 5 um or 1 3 4 5 I should say. Um, but the, uh, the names or the designations of each are obviously not in order. We're
jumping around um 10, 15, uh, 8 so on. Um, and that's because we wanted to keep those in line with what is in the master plan regardless of when we finish them or introduce them or anything like that. So, if you're wondering uh why we're going to 11 um right now after just
doing nine and after doing uh 15 earlier um that's the reason why. So, >> never even crossed my mind >> but I'm not a linear thinker. So, >> yeah. Yeah. Uh so the uh ordinance 2026
um as the chair mentioned uh would establish the affordable housing overlay 11 um comprised of two lots um uh and I'll show appendix J in a second. And the two lots are at the corner of um
Spring Street and North Two Lane Street. Oh, I just raised my hand instead of sharing my screen. Um, as you can see in this image from that appendix, um, it's the two lots. Um, one previously housed Cobb Cycles, uh, which has since, uh, unfortunately gone out of
business, um, on the corner, and the other is, uh, with the address 40422 North Twain, uh, which I think, um, this board knows well from a, uh, affordable housing overlay approval, um, that ultimately they cannot use. Um and then
a subsequent uh four lot uh residential approval. Um and now this overlay uh this overlay would um uh it the lots would still retain their underlying zoning. Um one of them uh the
cops lot is CB central business and the 4042 north two lane one is RB uh residents business zone. Um, and they would still have the uh current affordable housing overlay one on them in addition to this new affordable housing overlay 11 for the time being.
Um, the uh the overlay uh would allow for up to 40 multifamily residential apartment buildings. Um, and it this ordinance 2 requires commercial uses on the ground floor fronting Spring Street only. So
the copsides uh the cop side um and it permits uh commercial or residential uses on the ground floor fronting north two-lane street. Um at least 20% of the residential units are required to be designated as affordable with a minimum number of eight affordable units. So
kind of different from the AHO that we just saw. Um and uh the ordinance uh requires a minimum lot of.3 acres which means that these would uh uh I think they can be
I would have to double check if they would have to be developed together or if that's been changed. Um but it also allows for multiple buildings. Um the ordinance creates a stepped maximum height uh depending on the distance from Spring Street. So it could be the tallest um at Spring Street um and then
it steps down twice um towards uh uh as you go further up North Two Lane Street. Um point a half a parking space is required for each residential unit and no spaces are required for the commercial uh uses and uh the parking can be on surface lots or in enclosed
garages. Um no landscaping buffers are required but landscaping is required um as planters and as street trees. and one facade sign of 20 square feet is permitted per lot. Um, in our opinion, the ordinance is consistent with the
master plan. Um, again, it's directly in the fourth round plan. Um, and as I've stated earlier, uh, in the plan, we state how Princeton uh, needs more housing uh, in different forms and at different price points. um
uh the land use goal of uh increasing the existing pattern of land use um and especially in the center of town and in the the central business zone. Uh and the mobility goals of allowing uh for a more car-free lifestyle and less inbound commuting. Um and the utility goals uh
and natural resource conservation goals of uh accommodating future growth in infill sites while minimizing adverse impacts to the natural environment. Um, so that being said, Madam Chair, I'm happy to take any questions you might have.
>> Okay, I do not have any questions myself. Any other board members have questions for Justin? Seeing none, I will invite um attendees. If any of you wish to
address the board about this ordinance, now's the time to virtually raise your hand. Not seeing any of those. Um, so would someone like to make a motion finding the ordinance
substantially consistent with the master plan and recommending approval? >> I I'll make a motion. >> Thank you. Alvin McGawan. Is there And seconded by Jack uh John Taylor. Um, Deedra, would you call the role, please?
>> Certainly. Mr. Bodinghammer. >> Yes. Mr. McGowan. >> Yes. >> Miss Pearl Mutter. >> Yes. >> Miss Squmer. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Mr. Taylor. >> Yes. >> Miss Wilson Anderson.
>> Yes. >> Chair Wilson. >> Yes. >> Motion carried. >> Thank you. Next up, we have ordinance 2026-07, an ordinance of the municipality of Princeton amending chapter B17A entitled
land use and zoning of the municipality of Princeton to create the affordable housing district 12 AH12 in furtherance of the Fair Housing Act. >> Justin. >> Yep. Thank you, Madam Chair. Um and I will share the map on this one. Um this
ordinance establishes Oh, and this is from the appendix in the fourth round plan appendix K. Um and this ordinance um is comprised of two lots. Um and would create the affordable housing district 12. Uh the two lots are at 8688
Spruce Street is the one to the left and 9294 Spruce Street is the one to the right. Um both of these lots are in the R4 residential zone of the former burrow. Um, and just to kind of place where these are, um, Westminster Choir College is to the north of them, past
Barbara Box, Sigman Park, um, and Spruce Street, uh, is the kind of front of these, um, although these are nearly through lots, um, but not entirely. Um, uh, the 868 Spruce Street lot currently contains a three-story
multifamily apartment building and an associated parking lot. Um, this is one of those buildings that I love to mention on Spruce Street. you walk by and you know it looks like a big house maybe and then you count the mailboxes and I think there's currently 10 units in there. Um and then the other parcel
um is developed with a um uh a two unit structure. Um and the properties are surrounded by a mix of residential uses in the tree streets. Uh the park to the north uh it's hard to tell, but it actually does extend along uh the lot
and it's uh currently encumbered as Green Acres uh playground space uh on that remnant lot that was created when um Hamilton Wiggins Robeson was uh kind of rerouted uh years ago.
Uh this uh uh the AH12 district would allow for up to 30 new multifamily residential apartment units. Um and at least 20% of the new units uh are required to be designated as affordable with a minimum number of eight
affordable units. Um the proposed ordinance allows for multiple buildings with a separation of 5 ft. Um, and it really envisions keeping those existing two buildings. And I can show a concept plan that we expect, uh, there will be some deviations from. Uh, but generally
speaking, uh, and Spruce Tree is at the top of your screen here. Um, the Green Acres part of Barberbach Sigman Park is at the bottom of the screen. Um, and as you see here, uh, what is proposed is a, um, uh, I believe this is a, uh,
20, uh, 20 unit, uh, apartment building here. >> Um, and then a, uh, another smaller apartment building that may end up only being three units. A building in the front to look like a single family home, but it may have up to four uh, units,
and it may be supportive housing. um which is allowed in this zone. Uh and then uh the two existing buildings that I mentioned earlier. Um the uh over uh the ordinance requires a publicly accessible multi-use path through uh the
property. Uh so you will be able to cross from Westminster uh up towards Spruce Street and further on your way up to Nassau Street. Um, again, there's a desire line there now through the parking lot, and I think that's what um gave the property owner the idea as well
as uh the town officials. Um, and uh that uh would have to be open to the public and I believe it would have to be six feet in width. Uh so you might be able to ride a bike on there too. Uh the ordinance permits a maximum height
of 45 feet and a maximum impervious coverage of 75%. Uh 0.425 parking spaces is required for each dwelling. Um and up to 25% of those spaces may be compact and um a landscape buffer of 5t wide is
required where a sideyard is required. So, uh, adjacent to, uh, the neighboring properties, not to the lot, uh, line that currently exists. Um, and, uh, there are signs that are
allowed, um, in the ordinance, and I'd be happy to go through those, um, uh, as they pertain to the pathway to show that it's publicly accessible. and then facade signs on the larger apartment building um and address numbers where other doors may address um uh Hamilton
Wiggins Robes Street whatever it is at that point. I think it's I think it's Hamilton at that point. Um >> it until it's not anymore. Um but at least at that point it's Hamilton. >> It's Hamilton for quite a ways there. >> Yeah. >> Longer than Wiggins or Paul Robson. Sorry.
>> Um, so you know, I'm I'm sort of embarrassed I didn't ask this about earlier ones, but is it our um, and pardon me if it's already in the ordinance and I overlooked it. Are there bike parking requirements laid out as well and they need to meet those?
>> Yes. Um, generally speaking or I think all of the ordinances uh just refer back to our underlying bike parking that was adopted not too long ago which requires both covered parking um and uh uh other parking you know out in the open.
>> Great. >> That's a good question though. >> Thanks. Um, okay. Other um questions for Justin from planning board members about this
site, this ordinance. Um, seeing none, I will invite um attendees. If any of you, there are now six attendees. Uh, if any of you are interested in addressing the board on this ordinance, please raise your hand right now.
Not seeing any. So, we will move on. Um, any final thoughts, questions, or would someone like to move that finding this ordinance substantially consistent with the master plan and
recommend approval? Was that you, Mr. Bodheimer? It >> was. >> Okay. And a second. >> I'll second. >> Thanks, Alvin. Um, Miss Battle, would you call the role, please? >> Certainly. >> Mr. Bodingheimer?
>> Yes. >> Mr. McGawan? >> Yes. >> Miss Pearl Mutter? >> Yes. >> Miss Swimmer? >> Yes. >> Mr. Taylor? >> Yes. >> Miss Wilson Anderson? >> Yes. >> Cheryl Wilson? >> Yes.
>> Motion carried. >> Um, thank you. So I think Justin that item G ordinance 20268 we are skipping. That's correct madam chair. I received word from uh the council today that there will be a
substantive change to this um and they will have to reintroduce at their meeting on Monday. Um and then we will review this along with I think three or four other uh ordinances at the next uh planning board meeting on the 5th. >> Okay. Good. Uh then our last ordinance
um to review is uh ordinance 2026-09 an ordinance of the municipality of Princeton amending 10 excuse me u T10B-272.146 affordable housing overlay 4 AH4
site development regulations of the code of Princeton New Jersey 2013 13. >> Yes. Thank you, Madam Chair. Uh, this one is a little different from all the other ones that you saw. Um, uh, as stated in the title, uh, this ordinance
would amend the existing AHO4 affordable housing overlay 4. Um, that was created as part of our third round of affordable housing. Um, if that does not sound familiar to the board, that's because you have not seen any applications
uh in that uh uh overlay area. Um, and we as staff have not had very many uh conversations with people that are interested in developing up there um under that affordable housing ordinance. So, uh that's part of the reason we're we're looking to make this change here.
Um there are 26 lots in the northern part of Route 206 uh or Herrentown Road that are included in the HO4. And yes, Madam Chair, do you have a question? You're you're just on mute.
>> Thanks. Uh can you show an u o an aerial or something that identifies this whole >> apparently >> overlay area. >> So you can see on um this zoning map that we have up here um in the red is uh
the S2 service district um underlying zoning. It's a little hard to tell, but within the green line is the um AHO4. So, it's basically the S2 service district minus this one site um that is
uh I believe right across from the Mavis Tire. Uh it's a single family home, so that's why it wasn't included. Um why it's in the S2 zone beats me, but um anyway, this is the uh existing HO4 that we're talking about. >> Okay, great. Thank you. Y
um and uh like I said earlier, no developments have been created using the AHO4 since its adoption in 2020. Uh the proposed ordinance amends that AHO4 in two ways. First, it increases the maximum building height from 45 ft to 50
ft. Um, and this is actually a direct recommendation from the master plan uh in 2023 which states um in the land use section um a recommendation that says quote AHO4 district standards amend the height limit in this overlay zone in the
northern area of off of the municipality off Route 206 by the Montgomery border to permit development up to four stories. And then the second change um is this proposed ordinance deletes uh one section in its entirety. Um and that
section requires uh a minimum of 300 cubic feet of storage space for each residential dwelling unit. Um >> and then oddly it requires them to be on the first floor or below grade. Um and that's odd for really two reasons. the
first floor asks for or or requires commercial uh space. So, you wouldn't necessarily want to subtract some of that out um for this residential storage. Um and secondly, um requiring
it below the ground floor level is not really possible for at least half of more than half of the parcels in this overlay. Um the Van Horn Tributary uh runs uh from the Montgomery border um essentially where my cursor is. Um it's
channeled by that clock building um but then it it's daylighted um uh north and south of it. So there we've of the people that we've talked to about developments in this area whether it's in the service zone or
in the uh AH04 they always relay the um environmental department of environmental protections issues that they have um in that area not even if they want to dig down but also just if they want to build near uh that tributary um but especially if they
want it to dig down it basically is not an option. Um so again to have that um in this zone um just really doesn't make any sense because of the uh the conditions on the ground. Um that being said,
that requirement is not in any of our affordable housing overlays from the third round or any of the ones uh that we've discussed tonight. Um, you might expect to see something like that if there were going to be really small apartments, you know, maybe in the
center of town um to to give the tenants some more space. That's not necessarily what we're envisioning up here either. So, I don't really know why we included that in here. Um, but I do know that that is one of the things that may be impeding any development in this um
affordable housing overlay. Um, so based on all of that, um, in my opinion, um, because I I only I wrote this memo, sorry, Nathan. Um, the ordinance is consistent with the master plan, um, it's a direct recommendation of the land
use element of the master plan. Um, and other land use goals in include removing barriers to increased residential devel uh, density um, while also protecting and restoring environmentally sensitive features and natural resources. I mean, I think in an area like this, we'd
rather see that tributary um uh daylight it in the spaces where it's not than we would want to dig down near it. Um and uh one of the key findings from community input in the introduction section of the plan is like I said earlier that Princeton needs more
housing, especially at lower price points. Um and the mechanisms for that housing creation that have not created housing should be revisited. Um and then uh obviously this also meets utility goals and natural resource goals of
accommodating future growth in uh already developed parcels like we see here. Um I think the most glaring one uh being the one next to the bottle king uh that has been uh developed in the sense that um it's
compacted and there are depending on the time of year there might be trucks on it. um there might still be the billboard from the previous approval. Um but we know that that site has had some D issues and these certainly don't help. And I would imagine that's the same for other sites um where you do see
properties that are uh maybe vacant right now. >> And I'm happy to answer any questions. >> Good. Well, I I'm I'm very glad that we're uh removing, you know, barriers that, you know,
crystal clear. uh uh to anybody redeveloping this in this area. Uh questions for Justin from board members. Claudia. >> Hi. Yes. Thank you. Uh Justin, can you
explain the availability of public transit in this area? >> Sure. Uh I believe there is an NJ Transit bus line. I can't remember if it's the 605 or the 606 um that goes all the way up uh to past the shop. Um I see Louise, you have your hand. So, five.
>> Six of five. Okay. >> That was I was doing five, not raising my hand. >> Yeah. Yeah. If you were doing six on one hand, that would be a problem. Um there there is the NJ Transit bus that goes from north of uh uh the shop right in Montgomery. Um and I believe that's
the one that might go all the way to Hamilton um through Lawrence uh to where there are some of those big box stores over there. Um the I believe the uh municipal loop bus as it's now called uh also goes in
this area. I don't know if it directly I see Jim putting his camera on. It does and I think Jim had an anecdote about people in Montgomery saying hey can you put a stop by us? Um so that's being used uh as well. Um and uh with some of
the recent development um that we have had up there like the bottle king or the uh approved galaxy tile across um we have been requiring properties up there to put in pedestrian infrastructure um and we have also or in the process of
upgrading some of the pedestrian infrastructure up there ourselves um like uh one of the crosswalks across. So >> Right. And we're working with DOT on that. I' I think I've seen that in the in the uh town newsletter. Yeah.
>> Yep. I see more nodding from Jim. Yeah. >> Good. >> I don't want to speak. I haven't been sworn in. >> Oh, yes. Raise your hand um Jim because uh you know it's it's now or later.
>> We affirm the testimony you're about to give will be the truth. >> I do. >> Just want to please state your full name. Yeah, the the loop bus does uh traverse the area. Um, currently we've just added a stop at 900 Herrentown, which is the residences on Herrentown,
which is 100% affordable housing. Um and uh we are putting in uh um the rectangular rapid flashing beacon at Herrentown Road at Route 206 to cross over from Herrentown to um the G with
the Galaxy Tile area where we're also improving the sidewalks on that side. Um we'll be extending the sidewalk up to meet um well almost meet uh the sidewalk in
front of Bottle King as well. >> So I'm curious for the people who are Montgomery residents asking for it. Are those people living along Blue Spring Road toward the West End? They are uh right off U Mount Lucas Road
where it meets uh Princeton Avenue. >> Right. Right. Yeah. So, um yeah, I'm I'm not arguing that we should be going uh outside of Princeton and picking people up. But if we're bringing
them into Princeton to spend money at Princeton Shopping Center or downtown, you know, not a bad thing, >> but they can walk down to that. There are connections um pathway connections all the way to um Herrentown, right? So they could
>> Yes, they can now they can now walk just uh over to the residences at Herrentown and catch the bus. Uh we cannot stop in Montgomery. Um, it is a municipal bus uh confined to the municipal boundary. So,
good. And paid for by the taxpayers of of Princeton, not the ones in Montgomery. >> Got it. Okay. Um, other questions for just Did I already go to public comment on this one? I
don't think that I did. No. Okay. So um looking at the attendees, there is uh one person with their hand raised here to speak about this ordinance. Um the person is identified as Vihan. V I h
aan. If you could bring that person over and Vhan, if I've got your name name right, could you activate your camera and unmute yourself? Thank you. >> You can raise your right hand. Do you swear or affirm that the
testimony you're about to give will be the truth? >> Yes, I do. >> Just want to affirm. Please say your full name and spell your last name. >> My actually my last name is Desai. D E S A I. It is not the U name on the screen. I'm using my son's computer.
>> Okay. And your first O is B I Okay. >> And your your first name? >> My first name is Depali. D I P A L I. Okay. Great. >> Thank you. Go right ahead. >> All right. Uh, thank you, Madam Chair. I
represent today um three parties. Housing Initiatives of Princeton, Princeton Groves, and myself as a resident. Uh, from all of us at Housing Initiatives of Princeton. It's not just not for this ordinance, but all the ordinances that have been discussed. We support the building of affordable
housing as guided by the fourth plan. We believe that healthy communities are the ones in which all people can afford to live and that equitable housing is a key pillar to support working families um and the town's um healthy economic and
social structure. Uh as Princeton grows, similar message, we really support affordable housing. Um, and as a resident, I'm really intrigued by all these um um ordinances and the careful attention that that is being paid to the
details, including the fact that it is inclusive and not separated in a town area, but we're building it and incorporating it into the town and as well as the mixeduse nature of it with retail and residential together. I think it builds for very healthy communities.
So, I really do want to thank the board for that. Well, um, thank you, Miss Desai, very much and thanks for volunteering. It takes a village. Yes, it does. Um, okay. I uh any other any other
comments from um attendees? Not seeing any other any other hands, so I will close that little window. Um, final thoughts? um from board members questions and if not would someone like
to uh move that we find the ordinance substantially consistent with the master plan and recommend approval. >> Anyone? >> I will find that we find this ordinance to be con uh in conformance with the
master plan and recommend approval. >> Thank you. Thanks Claudia. Is there a second? >> Second. Thanks, Miss Pearlmutter. Um, Miss Battle, would you call the role, please? >> Certainly. >> Mr. Bodingheimer, >> yes. >> Mr. McGawan,
>> yes. >> Miss Permutter, >> yes. >> Missur? >> Yes. >> Mr. Taylor? >> Yes. >> Miss Wilson Anderson? >> Yes. >> Chair Wilson? >> Yes. >> Motion carry.
>> Good. Thank you. I'm glad to um have moved through those so efficiently. Thanks um everybody and thanks Justin. I know this was this was quite a heavy lift for you and the staff and um
glad to have you back Mr. Foot. >> I hope I hope I hope Egypt was great. >> Uh it was. Thank you. But uh yeah, glad to be back. >> Okay, great. Uh moving on to our application, we have an application um from of
Canon Dial Elm Club. This is preliminary and final major site development with variances at Canon Dial Elm Club, 21 Prospect Avenue, block 49.01, lot 3.01, 01 zone E2B
and it's file number P2525-692P. Um Mr. Leco, you want to >> start us off and those of you who are here on behalf of um Canon Dial Elm can activate your cameras and um once Mr.
Leco has finished uh setting the table. We'll swear you all in at the same time. >> And Madam Chair, I see Mr. Bodheimer's hand up. >> Oh, sorry, Nat. Hi. >> Y Thank you, Justin. Thank you, Madam Chair. I I'm just curious. I I don't I don't know whether this is a university
related uh item or not and therefore something I need. Yeah, eating clubs are independent, but um >> I just wanted to check because sometimes they're >> Mr. Mueller, do you have an opinion about >> Yes, I don't think there's a conflict for the very reason.
>> No conflict. Okay. Unless you were a member of one of these clubs. >> Okay. All right. I I know it's all one club now, but it hasn't always been that way. Okay. Good. Thanks, Justin. If I may,
Madam Chair, Justin, um, we we've gotten all the the papers with respect to notice and and >> Oh, >> correct. >> Yes, that's correct. >> And and they're all in order and the board has jurisdiction. >> Yes. >> Thanks, Mr. Mueller. I even had a note to myself about notice and jurisdiction
and you guys just have to keep me between the ditches on that one. Um, Justin has his hand raised. >> Do you swear or from the testimony you're about to give will be the truth? >> Yes, I do. just want to um refer. >> Thank you. Um and thank you, Madam
Chair. Um I I'll give a brief brief summary um of the February 13th planners memo um that our planner Tyrone Carter and I uh co-wrote. Um and just set the stage and then I'll hand it over to Mr. Casey and his team. Um, and I'm going to
start out by showing the uh NJO web map uh created by the NJ DP, which is publicly accessible. Um, should we make this PB1, Jerry? >> Yes. >> Great. Uh, the property in question um is in the center of your screen um at uh
21 Prospect Avenue. Um it is in the uh first off, it's an eating club as was stated already um at 21 Prospect Avenue. Um, and I believe that eating clubs are independent of the university and the building is also owned by the club, not by the university. Um, the property is
in the E2 educational zone of the former burrow. Um, and the surrounding parcels are also in the E2B zone. Um, uh, and those include other Eden clubs to the east and west along Prospect Avenue. Um,
as well as university uses to the north and south. Um the one to the south um includes a parking lot for the newly constructed ESNC's project. Uh this parcel is in the locally designated Prospect Avenue Historic District. Um however, the historic preservation
commission chair and officer found that review by the commission was not necessary since the improvements uh cannot really be seen from the street. Um, that being said, uh, you know, I'll turn over to the club and their attorney to show all the improvements they are proposing to the building, um, and an
associated, uh, parking lot behind the driveway. Um, I'll hold, uh, comments from our report until the end as the applicant may cover them. Um, one thing I do want to note is that there were some technical issues with the green building checklist. Um, the responses were in a drop- down menu um, that you
would have to click to see the full answers. Um but then the document was scanned so we were not able to obviously see them. Um that digital document was recently provided but I believe it was after uh all the reports were done or or when they were nearly being finalized.
Um another thing I want to note is that uh my office got the documents to the environmental commission much much later than we normally do and through a a herculean effort by them um they managed to get their report done. Um, but that being said, I don't believe they were
able to see the green building checklist before they published their report. Um, and also the applicant did not get that report until earlier this week. Um, so it's just a little um, uh, disadvantages all around on that part. Um, that being said, I'll hold those comments to the
end. Um, and uh, Mr. Purcell Purcell and Miss Gribbon are also here to cover their engineering and zoning report. >> Thank you. And madame chair, that's a point of order. The uh application was deemed complete subject to approval of
some waivers of the site plan checklist. Um they are in my memo and staff recommends that the planning board approve those waivers. Um they were um truly not applicable to uh this type of an application. >> Okay,
>> Jim. Jim, let me sway you in. And who else will will testify uh possibly on behalf of >> Taylor Gribbon, our assistant zoning officer, might testify. And I think that's it for staff. Although is that is that correct? >> Okay. >> If you could both raise your right hand.
>> You swear we're affirming the testimony about be the truth. >> I do. >> I do. And the testimony I just gave. >> Okay. And if you could just state your name for the record. >> James Purscell, acting land use engineer. Taylor Gribbon, assistant zoning officer.
>> Thank you. >> My time. >> Uh, yes, sir. Mr. Casey, welcome. >> Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Madam Chair, and members of the planning board, uh, for your time tonight. Um, I'll try to be as as quick as possible. Um we're
here tonight as um Justin said for preliminary and final site plan approval and one one variance for parking for the property located at 21 Prospect Avenue which is Canon Dial Elm Club. Um this is a second floor extension or addition of
approximately 1368 1,368 square feet above the loading area for increased kitchen and servery for the club. um which will result in approximately 50 additional seats. Um at at first I'd
like to have the club representative who's here tonight um answer a couple questions and give a little bit of background. Um so if you could Jerry please swear in Charles Fyer. >> Yes. If you could raise sir if you could raise your right hand. >> Swear or affirm the testimony about to
give be the truth. I do. >> Just want to affirm. Please state your full name and spell your last name. >> Charles C. Frier. F R E R. >> Thank you. >> Hi, Mr. Frier. Thank you for being here uh this evening. Um if you could, could
you could you tell the board your relation to the applicant owner tonight? Uh Kyle uh Canon dial, please. >> Certainly. Uh good evening, madame chair and board members. Um I am the the chairman of the graduate board which is essentially the board of directors of
Canondial Elm Club Inc. >> and he is the second after my father was the grad chair of Canondale Elm. So >> for many years yes >> I had an end to the job. Um so uh so
Chuck, if you could uh please explain to me the um the number of members that we have at uh Canon Dialm currently. >> Currently we're at about 215 members
including uh juniors and seniors. >> Okay. And um within the building itself, within the structure, how many bedrooms are there? >> 10. And in um there's a kitchen area. Correct. >> Correct. >> And we're here tonight to expand the
kitchen area and the servery where where the undergrads eat. >> Well, the server is the serving area. It's to expand the kitchen, the servery, and the dining room to add about 45 to 50 seats in the dining room. >> Okay. Could you talk a little bit about
the staff that works for Canon Dial Allen, please? >> Sure. We have a total of about 10 people working two shifts because we serve three meals a day. So the the early shift comes in around 6:30 and and
leaves um right after lunch and then later in the afternoon the uh the evening staff comes in prepares the evening meal which runs till about 8:30 to 9 depending on athletic commitments of the members.
So at any given time there could be four or five staff with correct within the building. >> Correct. >> And um could you talk to us about the existing parking that's that's at the property? >> Uh we provide parking for the staff. Um
the parking lot itself is leased the large parking lot behind the building is leased to the university for its parking. Um but we provide parking for the staff uh in in the area and the area adjacent to where the construction will
be. So the part of the parking area is not affected by the uh by the the addition part of it is but part of the reason for it being a second floor only uh addition on on pillars is
to preserve some of that parking for the staff. >> Okay. And have you encountered any issues with staff parking in terms of, you know, uh, enough spots or over like any anything like that? >> No, there's always excess space.
>> Okay. Um, and and Chuck referenced the lot behind Justin that is owned by the university. It was originally owned by the club and the club approximately 15 years ago sold that lot to the
university and in turn took back a a a parking easement on that property and then the university in turn pays the club x amount of dollars for use of parking in that lot. So it's a little
complicated. It was a a a spenali move by uh the the founders of Canon and my father to actually sell the lot to the university and the university in turn rents back their own parking spots. So, I I only reference that in
terms of the parking application and variance request tonight as and and Chuck, correct me if I'm wrong, that lot is able to be used by people visiting Canon Club on weekends, reunions, special occasions. Correct.
>> That is correct. The only reason it happened the way it did was the university's parking needs changed as it as it uh expanded. Since we're talking about the site in this way, can we look at an image? >> Yeah, for sure. >> I mean, are are are you going to have a
um PowerPoint presentation or Yes. something that so that Okay, you can point that out when we Okay, bye. >> Yeah, that'd be great. I think when we have our engineer talk, we he'll pull up his map. Um um
access Chuck uh uh deliverywise, how do how do trucks make deliveries to Canon Dialm? >> We have a driveway that that stretches from Prospect. It used to go down to Ivy
Lane and then they built the the new large environmental uh sciences building and reconfigured the Ivy Lane access. Uh and by agreement with the university, we now have ballards uh at the Prospect
Avenue. They're removable, but Bard's there to prevent access from that side and all vehicular uh access for trash removal for parking by the university staff. Trash removal deliveries all comes off of uh
Washington Road and follows the reconfigured Ivy Lane and comes up the driveway from the rear. >> Okay. and and if need be they those ballards could be removed and they would go right out to correct >> they can be removed but the the the reason for that is that the university
does not want uh delivery trucks any more than absolutely necessary u uh up on prospect causing uh traffic issues. So they want they want everything to come in off Washington and up through the university property.
>> Okay. Um, I have no further questions uh for Mr. Frier at this point. So, if we could >> So, Bob Bob, you're not gonna ask any more questions about how your father worked out that deal 15 or so years ago?
>> I think it's best we I think it's best we don't know the the details of that. >> Exactly. >> Plus, we we do have that hard stop at 11. >> That's exactly right. >> Just offline, Jerry. I'll fill you in.
>> A quick point of order on that. Um uh for our members that may have conflicts based on uh university uh relationships, does that Jerry uh affect their ability to vote? >> No.
>> That there is that rel Okay, got it. Just wanted to make sure. >> Yeah, Nat asked about that. Um but at the time we weren't talking about the the deal with the university and the cross access and all that stuff. So, yeah. >> Yeah,
>> we are a separate uh a separate New Jersey corporation with no ownership by the by the university. >> Okay. >> Thank you, Chuck. Um I'd like to call Russ Smith, please.
>> Uh Mr. Smith, Mr. Mueller will swear you in. >> Okay. And then we'll um if you're the engineer, we'll uh hear your qualifications and all all of that. Yeah. Okay. Go ahead, Jerry. >> You swear or affirm the testimony you're about to hear will be the truth.
>> I do. >> Just want to affirm. Could you please state your full name for the record? >> Yes. Russell Smith. Smi th. >> Thank you. >> Hi. Good evening, Russ. Um if you could, could you tell us where you work, please? >> Yes. I'm president of Hopewell Valley Engineering. I've been practicing
engineering since 1983. I'm a licensed professional engineer and a professional planner in the state of New Jersey. >> Have you testified before this board before? >> I have many times. Uh my recent most recent project that's closest to this uh
site uh is the Charter Club project which is uh wrapping up construction. >> I offer uh Mr. Russ Smith as an expert, please. >> We accept your qualifications. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Um Russ, do you have the ability to I we
have the one exhibit. If we could share. >> Yeah, let me try to share it. Um I think >> while you're um doing that, uh you mentioned the 10 bedrooms. Are those occupied by um club officers or is that right?
>> Yes, madam chair. There are 10 10 officers uh from president down through v various specialties and they all occupy a a bedroom in the in the building. >> Okay.
>> So they're all undergraduate. >> Thank you. >> All right, Russ. Yeah, if you >> go ahead, Bob. I I I have just have two slides. Uh do we want to mark this as A1? Yes. What? Yes, please. Thank you. >> Okay.
>> I believe these were submitted to my office for our file. These haven't changed since they were submitted. Excellent. >> That's correct. >> Uh what we did is we uh produced uh these two slides uh using the drawings that were submitted to the board and and
are under their review. I'd like to first use slide number one. Uh and I'll zoom in so we can see this a little bit better. So we first just have a an aerial photograph just showing the general area of the site which is marked in red on
the aerial photograph. Uh it shows Prospect Street on the north side of our site. To the east is the Quadrangle Club. Uh to the south is the parking lot that Chuck was talking about, which is
right here. I'm circling it now. Uh to the west is the tower club. Uh our driveway runs on the easterly side of the building and down into that adjacent parking lot that uh Chuck was describing
for access. Uh we have those temporary ballards or removable ballards. I shouldn't say temporary removable ballards right at prospect. This is the existing survey of the site uh showing the existing conditions.
Uh this shows the existing club building. Uh I'll describe what these colors mean. The red is is uh walls. The light and dark grays are sidewalks,
walkways, driveways, both stone and paved. Uh obviously light green is grass, darker green are are trees and shrubbery. Um we've identified where the existing
parking is for the staff today. Um, this is a gravel area that I'm circling now, an existing gravel parking area which has enough space for five cars. Currently, they park uh three more cars
in this area. So, that's how we came up with an existing total parking of eight spaces. Uh, this area is kept open for deliveries as it as it exists today. So there is a few extra spaces here today
uh few more than what we're going to end up with on the proposed plan and I'll explain that by using slide number two. Uh this shows a site plan. The colors are the same as what we
described from the existing plan with one exception. We show the proposed building edition in this darker brown. Uh it is a twostory addition as uh as
Bob and Chuck described. The lower level uh is going to remain for access. Uh it will uh include a couple areas. So the ground level uh will have a storage
unit which is right in this area. It'll also have a uh dumb waiter vestibule area in this area. So that's going to be underneath the upper layer or upper level of the uh structure.
So vehicles can drive in and access and uh deliver items uh to the club in this area here. Uh as Chuck said, it's supported by posts. The upper level uh the posts and
and walls are here in this corner and in this corner. So the second level uh is going to uh include the new dining, servery, and kitchen areas. Uh so
that'll be on the upper level of this structure. The uh parking, you'll remember that the existing site has five gravel spaces. So those spaces will remain in this
design. We're going to delineate them with wheel stops. So you can see that there are five spaces. We're adding an adding an an accessible space uh because we want to provide this accessible access to the lower floor of
the structure. Uh so that's going to be striped on the pavement that is already there. This is already paved. This darker gray is pavement today and will remain pavement.
We anticipate that this will get beat up during construction. So we show a dashed limit of pavement of new pavement that will occur uh once the structure is constructed.
So we'll have six spaces total after construction uh with one of them being an accessible space. Uh, as Chuck testified, uh, there will only be four to five staff on site
uh, during the day in two shifts. Uh, so this this existing parking is adequate for that staff and that's how we we m we made sure that that we had enough parking for our staff. Uh, and as I said, this accessible space will be used
by alumni and visitors that need to get to the the first floor. So we we see that as an improvement. Uh roof runoff from this structure uh will flow in the same direction uh as
it does today. This area drains to the south. Uh there'll be a uh roof drain from the roof area which will just discharge onto a splash block and that'll flow to the south. I wanted to go through the zoning.
Um, it is a conforming use. Uh, we only have two variances that we want to talk about this evening and they both involve parking. So, they're bulk or C
variances. The first is for the total number of parking spaces. And I just wanted to say that we did meet with uh the township staff before we prepared the plan to make sure that these calculations
uh are something that they would uh consider and agreed with. Uh I when I worked on the cap and gown club and charter club, it was always an issue of how to calculate the number of parking spaces that was required for these sites
because most of the eating clubs don't have parking in in in a typical fashion for a for a building. And as we know that the um students don't have cars, so they don't need parking spaces. Um the
the uh Cannon Club's uh policy is to provide parking for staff only uh which we do. But we did this exercise. We went through the calculations. We used one space for every five seats.
Um uh which is the um which is based on our dining hall. We currently have 132 seats. that would require 27 spaces. We're adding 50 new seats
that'll require 10 additional spaces. So using that calculation that says that 37 spaces are required. Um and that kind of just gives you a yard stick. Um, but it really doesn't apply
uh necessarily here because that's not how things are done. Um, the students ride bikes and I'll talk about bicycle parking next. Uh, but uh we only need four to five spaces for our staff.
Uh, but a variance is technically required. Uh, and we are asking for that variance. It's B17A-43. um bicycle parking. Uh and I believe I did it the same way on charter club. It's one space for 20 for every 20
seats. Um so if you go through that same exercise, 132 seats require seven bike spaces. Uh the additional 50 seats require another three spaces.
So 10 spaces are required. Um and the site has uh five um bicycle parking posts which will support up to 10 spaces. So we have
what's needed right in front of the uh right in front of the building on our property. Uh there are spaces out in prospect bike spaces along Prospect on both sides. Uh but based on the calculation
uh we don't need to rely on those and there's been uh information from the from the client that they really aren't even the five even the 10 spaces we have aren't really used that much. And finally, um, I want to talk about
the other parking setback, uh, requirement. I saw this in your planner's memo. Um, it's B17A-387C. Uh, it requires a 4 foot setback for parking.
Um so what that does uh is it creates a varian situation for this parking in the existing parking that's in the rear. We were not moving this and we didn't want
to take out a space uh to provide that 4T. There's only 1.4T of setback here. So technically that requires a variance from B17A-387C and uh that is also that came right from
your uh professionals memos. Uh, I wanted to go through um the governmental approval list uh and then I'll jump back and talk about the variance proofs um to kind of
finish up. But when looking at at the recommended government approvals uh in the uh uh engineers and zoning memo, uh I really would like to request that those not be
part of a condition of a in this resolution. And the reason being is that it's pretty clear uh based on the requirements of the different agencies that this project will not trigger the
need for those approvals. Um timing on this project is important to us. We need to we need to keep it moving. And a lot of times when you have to apply for these uh letters of no interest or letters of no jurisdiction,
uh you end up really taking a lot of extra time uh that we really don't have. Um so I wanted to go through testimony uh on the record about why each approval
isn't required. And I think both uh I think your staff uh and and the board will understand uh why we really don't want those to be a condition of the approval. >> First is the Mercer County Planning Board.
>> Uh Mr. Smith, I'm sorry to interrupt. Um please Wilson here. >> Um Jerry, uh do you have any before Mr. Smith goes through all of that. Do you have any sort of on principle issues with
omitting th those uh from Okay. All right. So, >> none at all. >> I just didn't want Mr. Smith to waste his time if you were going to come afterwards and say no no no no. And for the re the reasons he gave if it looks like that it's quite clear that
unnecessary it's just a real way a real waste of can >> okay >> money and time. >> Okay. All right. Thank thanks Mr. Muller and Jim. >> And Madam Chair, you know we we routinely put those in and uh I I think
that Mr. Smith's testimony will satisfy that requirement. >> Um we just need to get it on the record. Perfect. Okay, great. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. I appreciate the opportunity. Uh Mercer County Planning Board, uh
those types of site plan reviews occur and are required when a site is on a county road or it drains to a nearby county structure. So, we don't have either of those issues or those conditions for this site. So, a Mercer County Planning Board site plan approval
would not be required. Uh Mercer County Soil Conservation District is required when soil disturbance exceeds 5,000 square feet. Um the area that I I identified in here,
which could qualify for uh soil disturbance if we rip out all the pavement. We may just mill and pave. That doesn't count as soil disturbance. But let's say we rip all this pavement out and repave. That's only 1,700
square ft. So the the only soil disturbance on this property would be 1,700 ft. Here we're just going to install wheel stops for these five spaces. And this is just striping. So uh that approval would not be
required uh for this site. uh Delaware and Rout and Canal Commission. This one's a little bit more complicated, but we are in zone B. Uh only major projects in zone B are are reviewed by the commission.
And a major project is one that adds a quarter acre of new impervious. So that's 10,890 square ft. We don't add any new impervious surface. Uh, it's also a project that disturbs
one acre of land, 43,560 square ft. We only disturb 1,700 square ft. And then finally, uh, a major project could be one that disturbs a half an acre of existing impervious
21,780 square ft. We only have 1,700 ft. So, we're way below the various thresholds. DNR Canal doesn't miss a chance to get you, but those three things don't apply in this case. So, well, we would not
need their approval. And finally, I think the last one that that was in the memo uh is the sore department. Um, from a from a construction standpoint, we're not constructing anything new. There's no new laterals. Uh, there is a
lateral existing lateral that's underneath this addition. Of course, we're not building anything on the first floor, so it can remain. Uh we did uh painstakingly identify where this was by doing test pits, so we know
exactly where it is because we didn't want it to be anywhere near any of our supports for the building. So, uh it will not have to be um removed or replaced or uh connected to in any way.
Um, so from a construction standpoint, the sore department wouldn't have anything to review from from the site plan uh part of it. So since none of them are really close calls, we would just like to ask that they not be made a
condition of approval. And Jim, I >> Yeah, Russ, just for the record, uh you're not any adding any uh significant flows to the sewer system, correct? I don't I don't believe that we would be. No. >> Thank you.
>> All right. Uh I'd like to jump back and and just go through the the uh variance proofs and then uh we could uh >> Hey, talk. >> Russ, before you do that, could you just talk quickly about garbage and where
those bins are located? If you if you don't know where they are, I know where they are located. Um, just in case that question comes up because it often does, is the dumpsters for the site. >> The the dumpsters in the parking lot. Is that what you're talking about?
>> That's correct. Yeah. >> Yes. Yeah. In fact, we have it we we do have it uh labeled on our drawing. >> Existing trash and recycling area right in here. Thank you.
>> Okay. All right. Uh as we said, the two parking uh variances are are C variances or bulk variances and they they are uh existing conditions. Um we mentioned that no club members
have cars. Uh so the parking really isn't required for them. Uh staff parking is covered based on Chuck's testimony. Um, and we're also adding an accessible
space, which does uh cause us to lose a a regular space. So, but we feel that's a that's a worthwhile tradeoff because we want to provide a access to the lower floors. So we think the variance for parking and
deviation uh from the zone plan and zone ordinance will will not create a substantial detriment to the public good. Uh furthermore, the proposed plan versus what is already on the ground will have no impact on neighboring properties.
Um, the purposes of the municipal land use law will be advanced by the proposed deviation for parking and the benefits will substantially outweigh any detriments. Uh, the following purposes of zoning will be advanced in our opinion. 40 col
55D-2A. It'll enhance and promote public health health, safety, and general welfare. Purpose C. The deviation will provide adequate light, air, and open space. Purpose I, it'll promote a desirable
visual environment. And purpose J, it'll uh promote uh the conservation of historic sites. So, we do feel that both variances uh uh can be granted. Uh, I'd like to, uh, spend the last few
minutes just going quickly through the, uh, through your professionals memos and just provide responses where it's appropriate. >> Before you do that, Mr. Leco has a question or comment. >> Sure. >> Thank you, Madam Chair. Um, and agreed
on the variances. Uh, to be completely honest with you, if those weren't part of this application, this probably would have been done administratively. Um but that's that's a comment. My question is um the existing trash and recycling area I'm guessing uh that's part of the
existing easement agreement that you have with the university. >> Yeah. Great. Thanks. >> That's all. >> All right. Uh let's start uh with the uh uh February 13th planning memo. Uh I
jumped to page three uh and comment three. Uh so the the answer to that is the unit that you see is actually an existing refrigeration unit uh that will be
relocated and our architect's going to testify after me and he'll explain where where that ended up. But it does have to be moved. You're correct. Um on number four uh we we talked about the parking I think and I think we
answered these questions uh that the parking is intended for staff and we will have four to five staff members on site at any one time. And the other engineering item was number seven talked about the bike racks
and and as I said the the five the uh 10 bike spaces or the five uh bike posts are located in front of the site. Uh I did look at the February 16th environmental commission memo. They
asked a question about the storm water management and I think that what we propose is actually an improvement over what we have today because we are covering some existing driveway areas uh with our uh elevated addition. Uh and
the water that's running off of that elevated addition is roof water which is clean water compared to driveway water. So um that's an improvement. Uh, >> and is that Mr. Smith, sorry to interrupt. Is that water flowing
um over land or does it is it going is it delivered directly into a pipe? >> It flows over land. >> Great. >> Yeah. And just like it just like the uh the driveway does today. >> Okay. >> It'll run actually across the lawn
before you know off the pavement and then across the lawn. See >> that's what you want to see. Thank you. >> Yes. Exactly. Exactly. All right. And then the uh final is the engineering and zoning report. Uh we >> Mr. Smith
>> on page two. >> Mr. Smith. >> Yes. >> Can you stay with the environmental commission report? >> Sure. >> Um just in terms of their comments in the executive summary about the uh light lighting fixture. Do you want to comment on that?
>> Uh the the our architect can address the lighting fixtures. >> Okay. >> Jerry. Yeah. They're they're actually on the building. They're not sight sight lights. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Uh okay. So, I'm jumping to the the uh
engineers and zoning report uh dated uh February 17th. Uh on page two, we talked about both variances. Uh on page three under H,
uh we talked about the bike racks and we have the 10 on site. So I think we addressed that. Um I at the bottom um Chuck did testify with the the items,
some of the information I think that the staff was looking for. Uh Justin, I don't know who who you wanna uh what you want us to do with this, but we uh Chuck did testify that there's 215 members, 10 bedrooms,
and then there's 50 additional new seats added to the 132 that exists. So, we'll have 182 seats maximum. Uh and then there's uh 10 staff on two shifts. And I think they were the the
data that you you were looking for in the in the comment. >> Yes, I believe that was in the the engineering and zoning memo. So I would imagine >> Yeah, that was Mr. PCEL. >> I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Uh Jim, I don't know if you wanted to to talk about that
at this point. the the the point of this comment in our memo is is really direction to the planning board on what they need to do because it is incumbent on the planning board to determine what parking
requirements um uh should arise when we don't have specific regulations that cover the uses that are in u uh in in the eating clubs. And we've had this discussion on other eating clubs that
have come before the board before. Um and we also uh the bicycle requirements. We don't have building types that fit into the the categories. And um based on the testimony that's been provided by
both um both of the applicants so far uh both of the professionals so far um you know we don't have any objection to uh what is in existence today and what they're proposing um but it really is incumbent on the board to determine what
requirements should be met. And if I could just take my soap box real quick too, um we are working on our zoning code rewrite right now. Um and part of that might include uh taking these independently owned eating clubs
out of an educational zone. Um maybe not putting them into a single family home residential zone, but possibly finding something in between um because of the concentration of these really unique buildings um in one area. Yeah, I I can vouch for that. I I've
worked on Cap and Gown and and Charter Club and now and now Canon and it it it always is a a tough issue to resolve and it seems like that the clubs are those three clubs anyway are very similar based on what I what I've seen is that
they don't have a lot of parking and typically the parking that they do have is really just for staff >> because students ride bikes and >> and um walk uh primarily early, so they don't need parking. And there is parking
on on Prospect, too. But, um, you know, I think that I I think that you could probably create a requirement for for an eating club that would that would fit. for the board's knowledge, uh, you have not seen those applications that were
just mentioned, even though we've had quite a few of them over the past couple years, um, because they've gone to the zoning board due to a floor area ratio requirement in the zone. Um, so that's just why you haven't seen those. It's not like there are use variances going around or anything crazy being asked for. Uh, it's more um, you know, small
additions like this one or for ADA access. Um but they're coming up against this floor area ratio requirement that luckily um the Canon dial club does not have to deal with tonight or here. >> Right. We missed out on that because we have over an acre of land. That's the
cut off. So we have 1.14 acres and if you have less than one then you end up at the zoning board which we did for charter and cap and gown. So, um just so I understand, Jim, are
you um suggesting and andor Justin that um in addition to considering the um variances, both of which seem very reasonable. um we need to sort of affirmatively set, you know, use this as
an example to set um a >> No, no, you're you're not going to be setting a standard. >> You're not going to be setting a standard. You're going to be determining whether or not there's a um a sufficient parking for
>> motor vehicles and bicycles on this specific application. Got it. Thank you. All right. And and then uh on I'm on page four uh number two talks about the delivery process. And I think Chuck
described how that works. Now uh and then on page five uh under additional staff comments, we can certainly uh submit a construction cost estimate once the as a condition of the approval. when uh item
two is the uh uh are the uh permits that we talked about and we'd like for them not to be conditions of the approval. That's all I have. >> Thanks, John. I mean, thanks, Russ. >> Great. Yep. Thank you. And I'm sorry to
interrupt you so many times, but I think ultimately it probably went faster. >> Not not a problem at all. I'm glad he interrupted. >> Okay, Mr. Casey, >> could I ask >> um >> I'm sorry. >> Oh, Jerry, >> I just want to ask Mr. Smith a question
again. It's not entirely clear to me. Um what's on the ground floor? Um you've indicated some of it, but and you indicated parking for I think you said alumni and guests. Are deliveries going to be made uh in that underground space?
>> Yes. Uh so let me let me just go over it again. There's there's actually uh we're actually building out some of the space under the second floor. Uh what we're building out is is the dumb waiter
enclosure which is here. We're actually building out an area that will uh be storage and then this area will be open for deliveries. So when they when they
back the truck in, they can run the deliveries into the into the uh building this way. >> Yeah. Uh this will be the loading zone for the access hand the accessible access. Then then this is the accessible
parking space. >> So someone that that uses this space will get out and also go into the door. Ju just to explain the the uh the food preparation, refrigeration and food storage areas are all on the
ground floor and that will not change. Uh so deliveries come in on from the driveway area across the same level and restored in the building and then the dumb waiter will be used to to propel the prepared food up to the kitchen and
serving areas. >> Okay. Now I I thought Mr. Smith had said something about um in that lower level we're talking about that visitors and alumni could come in as a way of getting access to the house to the clubhouse
itself um first floor is did I misunderstand that >> that would be true only for handicapped uh people coming from the uh from the parking area on reunions and other uh days when when the parking area is
available to us to use. Okay, fine. Thank you very much. >> Um, Miss Pearl Mutter, um, Freddy, you have your hand up. You're on mute still. >> I I do. I wanted to go over some of the environmental issues here, but I think
that, um, we were told that the lighting, one of which was the dark sky lighting fixtures was going to be addressed by somebody. >> Yeah, Mr. Smith said, or maybe it was Mr. Casey, that the architect will answer that. I know. I also want to make sure that we address the bird safe glass
and the >> I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Could you finish your thought? I was interrupting you. You're you're on mute, Freddie. >> Okay. I'm having trouble lowering my hand here because of the the uh
drawing. Okay. Did I get that? No. >> You did and then it came back up. Okay. >> Okay. Uh, no. I'd rather wait until he does his presentation and then if I have other questions on behalf of the environmental commission, I will ask them.
>> Great. Great. Um, Miss Wilson Anderson. >> Yes. Thank you. Uh, does the university um prohibit student parking at the eating clubs? >> Yes.
because the the lot is leased to the university for its use during the week and on weekends except when on specific occasions, homecoming reunions and the like, but this is there's an extensive
contract with the university about our access to the to the parking the major the large parking area in the back. So, this is consistent really with all of the eating clubs that the university prohibits parking at them and that the
parking is limited and it's limited for staff only or deliveries. >> They only care about the the large parking area that they have leased and keeping us from using that. What we do with the the parking spaces in question
here are not part of the lease to the university. They are ours. So they are only concerned about the large parking area behind the club which they use for their staff uh except on on the specific designated occasions.
And as far as alumni goes, on all other occasions alumni are directed to park in the university high-rise garages. Uh again to keep traffic off of um prospect. >> Thank you. Can undergraduates have a
car? >> Yeah, I mean undergrad, if I may pipe in here, it's Carl Pedic Cap and Gown Club. And um >> Mr. Pett, you'll need to be sworn in if you're >> I'm sorry. >> So, so which you you're welcome to do,
but you need to ac activate your camera and uh get sworn in by Mr. Mueller. >> Okay. Sorry about that. >> Okay, >> no problem. Do you swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to give will be the truth? >> I I do. >> You just want to affirm. Please state your full name.
>> Okay. So, um some of the eating clubs do have parking for their club members like Cottage has a parking a lot along Ivy Lane as does Ivy and Cap and Gown and Charter. So where parking spaces can be
afforded to a certain degree, uh the club members, usually the officers of the club uh who have cars can park there, >> but otherwise students that have cars have to park them in the in the
university garages, >> right? >> Not again, we they don't want extra cars in the in the Prospect uh street area. That's true. >> Right. And it's your testimony that um
Can and Dial Elm does not permit student parking in these places that we're talking about right here. Yeah, >> that's correct. Yeah. >> All right. Just want to make sure that's clear. >> Okay. >> All right. Um,
thank you, Russ. And I'd like to call Charles Chai Chester, please. He's here. Charles, where are you? >> I called Charles and he was unable to see his his link to the uh
>> Charles Chai Chester is in the attendees room. So, um >> there he comes. >> Someone can bring him over. Here we go. >> Mr. Chai Chester, you need to activate your camera. There you go. Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you.
>> If you could write. >> So, Mr. Mueller will swear you in and you'll say your first name and last name and then spell your last name and then we'll uh get your qualifications. >> Do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give to be the truth? >> Yes.
>> Just want to affirm and and then if you give your full name. >> Yeah. My name is Charles Chai Chester. My last name is spelled C H I C H E S T er.
>> Thanks, Charles. Charles, could you um could you tell us where you work currently? >> Yes, I currently work uh for Mills and Schnoring Architects in Princeton. >> Um could you give me your what's your role at uh at your architect firm?
>> I'm a project manager here. >> Okay. And could you give us a little bit of your educational background, please? >> Uh, yes. I have a bachelor's degree in architecture from Cornell University, and I'm licensed uh to practice architecture in New Jersey.
>> Uh, did we know that we hired a Cornell guy to be our expert here? I mean, geez Louise. Um, so you say you're licensed to practice architecture in the state of New Jersey, correct? >> That's correct. >> And how long have you done that for?
Ah, I think it's about 20 years. >> Okay. And have you testified before a planning board in the state of New Jersey before? >> Uh, no. >> Um, have you testified before any zoning boards before?
>> Uh, no, I have not. No. >> Okay. Have you um have you ever um written any uh treatises or materials on architecture or what is your specialty
in architecture? >> You know, I we do a lot of preservation at this firm uh on historic buildings and um you know, that's becoming a specialty for me. We also do some federal work for courouses in the general mid-Atlantic region.
>> Okay. Um I would offer Mr. Chai Chester as an expert in architecture, please. >> We accept your qualifications. And did you say you're the project manager for this? >> That's correct. Yes. >> Um okay. >> All right, Charles, we have um if you
could share your screen with the exhibits that we have and we'll get those marked. Yes, >> please. >> Can you see that? >> Almost. There we go. >> Yes. >> Okay. But this is the first floor plan
or the lower level plan. >> Why don't we mark >> Gary, can we mark this A2? >> Yeah, exactly. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Charles, if you could just walk us through like you're doing I cut you off. That would be terrific. Thank you. >> Yeah. Yeah. No problem. Uh just note
that this plan is spun 180 degrees from the site plan. Uh Prospect Street is uh plan south to the bottom of the page. Um so our addition is this corner um here
um kind of between this lower bar and the um the prep kitchen. And in the darker wall sections here, you can see our foundation that supports the floor above. And then again here.
And then on this side here. And this is the storage room that was mentioned earlier uh with two doors accessing this covered area here under the addition above. And then this is the vestibule for the dumb waiter. And that vestibule
links into the lower prep kitchen here. And one thing to note here, uh, this this lower area where loading will be coming through and into these doors. Um, this area has a a flat ceiling and there
are flush uh lights in this area um that provides lighting for this loading area. Um, that's where there will be uh some spill of light coming out the sides, but those lights are recessed into the
ceiling and there's a set on each side here. So, there's not direct light shining out. It's just spill. >> And there are no lights u mounted on the outside of the addition. >> We're not No, we're not adding anything
here. No. Good. >> If I can, I'd like to go to the next floor. This is the second >> what you say is spill. Do you have any idea how bright that really is?
>> Um I I don't have the plan up right now. Um but we do h we did submit a plan um that showed the light levels as it as it pro proceeds out of here and as it goes towards the property lines and it was
minimal >> because the environmental and I'm not sure we're talking about the same fixtures as the lighting fixture for the loading area. Is that the lighting fixture for the loading area? >> Yeah, that those are the ceiling mounted flashlights. >> Okay. And the color temperature is no greater than 3000K.
Is that >> we we did see that recommendation and we can look into that. Um uh you know there's a lot of options when you choose the exact fixture and how it's configured but we would we will um we
will look into that recommendation. Will we be notified of what you choose? >> I if I may for a minute, I I think we we can commit to um in speaking the other day with um your partner Charles, we we talked about it and I think that the
the the lights that were recommended in the environmental report are items that we can commit to. >> Good. Good. >> I hope. Yeah.
>> Well, I mean, the point being to meet dark sky standards, that's really the >> Yeah. >> really what we're getting at here. And whether it's, you know, this number of lumens or that number of Ks or I don't know, you know, it it needs to meet dark
sky uh standards. Is that correct, Freddy? I mean, >> yeah. And they're lucky. And that's going straight up. It's coming. >> Right. Right. >> Help. And then also um they said something. Do you have nighttime light there? Do you use >> Do you have things that come in at
night? I could you use a motion sensor? I don't even know if you have nighttime deliveries. >> We don't. >> We don't. >> Oh, okay. We'll have to explore that. >> So, in terms of the condition, um it will be in the executive summary bullet one. It will be the sentence the
lighting fixture that has that has been chosen for the loading area should comply with dark sky international standards. That's sufficient just to leave it at that. >> Um are you talking about page two on the environmental report Jerry?
>> Yeah. Yes. It's the second sentence of the first bullet. >> Um EPA >> turn to the executive summary. Uh, I'm sorry. Under the executive statement, >> that's right. It says, "The lighting fixture that has been chosen for the loading area should comply with Dark Sky
International reduce the color temperature no greater than 3,000 Kelvin." >> Yes. >> Okay. We want both of those in. Okay. Okay. >> Good. Thank you. Thanks for that, Jerry. >> Yep. Okay.
>> Um, go ahead, Mr. Chester. >> Okay, great. Um moving to the second floor. Um you can see our addition coming off here in the dark line joining from the existing dining room
and coming around and joining to the existing kitchen here. And this u footprint that we saw below is the same on this floor. Now this area has a new dining space here. connecting through a
cut in the wall here to the existing dining room. And some of the space of our addition is the um I'll zoom in a little bit here. This is the dumb waiter vestibule again on this floor. Uh and a
dumb waiter on the left here and a pocket door leading into the dining room. And then also a passageway leading into the kitchen here. Uh, and then there's the the servery here
that is being extended a little bit here with a little bit more room and then two pocket doors that lead from that servery edition into the dining room here. >> Could could you I'm sorry being so dense again. What is a servery? What's the difference between that and the dining
area? >> The servery is just where the food is is put out for the the students to take. >> Oh, I see. I see. Oh, this is >> serve, you know, hot plates, you know. >> Yep. Okay. It's buffet style. Yeah. Okay. >> Yes. >> Thank you.
>> And and Mr. Churches, as you go through this, these are all, it looks like plans that you actually submitted to the to the uh the planning department. Correct. >> Uh these plans are slightly more advanced than the ones. Um the footprint
is the same and the rooms are the same. We've just begun to add more detail and notes. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> And then if you can, since we've had these marked, if you can get a copy of these to to Mr. Leco. >> Yes. >> Thank you.
>> Okay. >> All right. Uh if I can, I'll move up to the next floor. This is the roof plan here. Um, you can see the existing kitchen building here without uh the shingles on it there. Um, you can see an existing TV
room here. And uh, this existing TV room goes onto a corridor that links to some uh, some rooms on the top floor of the building. And then in this TV room,
there is an existing window here that we have taken out. And then we've put in a door that will lead to the roof of our addition. Um the door will open out. You'll go down some steps here and then you'll be on a slightly or low slope
roof. Um and the one thing to note is because this is a TV room, this window was blacked out most of the time because they wanted, you know, controlled light in that room. And when we put this door in, this is purely for maintenance of
the rooftop units. We have one here and then that uh a chiller unit here. And that chiller unit is the one that was all the way down on the lower floor that we moved up to the roof. Um,
now we've tried to keep these units as far from the outer edge of this low slope roof as possible, but we still believe we're going to need some fall anchors, and that's what we're shown in these two little red dots here. Those are a place to tie off for fall
protection when doing any work on the the roof. Um, they'll probably need to access these drains here and here. But uh just just to kind of reiterate this door is is locked and the only key for that would be maintenance that would
be able to access that roof. >> And oh only with a key and only by maintenance you're saying >> yes yes >> no student access. >> Okay. And then if I can I have some elevations
to show here. Okay. On this top elevation is uh that corner where on the right side with these uh gabled roofs uh of the existing kitchen and then the uh top
floor in the background. And then our addition is here on the left. You can see these two windows there. And then below that, you can see that storage unit below with the double doors.
Our flat roof here. And this is that stair that leads from our flat roof up into that door into the TV room. And then going down to the south elevation, this is our corner where we're filling
in our addition um existing dining room here. You come through the existing dining into this additional dining here. Uh we do have some stone on our addition
that uh should match existing. Um, but here's the dining up above this uh loading zone down below. And you can see a little bit more of our stair railing system here and our HVAC
unit here and our chiller um unit here that was moved from down here. Madam Chair, while this slides up, I'd just like to make a comment if you don't mind, >> please. >> Yeah. Uh, we met with the folks from,
uh, Canidal Elm and Mills and Schneering over the course of probably two years now to discuss this application. Um, and it seems like they really did a phenomenal job of uh adding on to this historic building um and meeting all of
the Secretary of the Interior standards. Um, and that is a a big reason why uh the HPC chair and officer uh looking at this felt very comfortable um not having to review it. Um with the way that this
is tucked away uh in a way that you hardly if at all can see from the street um and also it just meets all those standards of differentiating the materials, not mimicking um existing historic features and things like that. Um, so just want to say kudos to the
architects and um the applicant and uh you know, thank you for reaching out to us early uh when you were looking at this project. >> Thanks for that, Justin. >> So um I just blew past our break time. I completely lost lost track of time and
um uh I Are you just about done, Mr. China or do you have >> th those are the the plans and the elevations I wanted to present? >> Okay. Um can you speak to the um um
environmental commission's note about bird safe glass? >> We will look into that. Um we we do recognize that recommendation and we will look into that. Yeah, that that um as the years go by is
a less and less comforting response. >> That's also very >> not no nothing personal. I'm just saying >> you here. >> I'm going to double team you here, but it's also a very important issue to the environmental commission. >> Uh yeah. So, um
uh they had specific suggestions. Um, and I'm not, you know, I don't know enough about it to to know one way or the other, but it but um uh
and I I appreciate the interest in looking into it, but you know, when it comes down to it, we'll need to know when we're putting in conditions whether you're willing to agree with that, agree to do it or not. Um and I and similarly
the the request to make sure that you install uh energy star appliances which I think is actually required now isn't it but new construction or am I wrong about that? Anyway, maybe it doesn't. Yeah,
Madam Chair, I think, you know, we we again when we talked about the the Kelvin and the lights before um the other day, I I'm not as familiar with the bird safe glass, but I'm a big burer, I will tell you that.
Um so I I don't I I think that we're okay with that being a condition of their approval. Um so you can you can add that with the the Kelvin question about the lighting as well. Um I don't think that that's a I don't
know enough frankly but I don't think it's a overburdensome ask. I mean I think that um Miss Pearl Mutter you might you may know better in terms of the actual application of it. Um but I don't I don't think it's an overburdensome ask.
>> Well you don't have a lot of light you don't have a lot of windows here which is what helps one of the things which helps you it's not a huge area >> so it really shouldn't be that bad >> right? Uh, and it would be an improvement. We're actually not increasing the number of windows by much
at all because where the addition is going is covering up windows that were there. Essentially, that wall is being pushed out. >> So, uh, we're not adding much window space. So, if we do uh accommodate the
uh the commission with with uh some sort of um striping or what whatever is appropriate, uh that will be an improvement. >> Yeah. And the it's the southern facing windows that tend to be the most um
prone to bird strikes and so um that'd be great. Yeah. Thank you. >> Put it in there. Um yeah, so as soon as you're finished, Mr. Chai Chichester, we'll um we'll take a
break before we do any of the um final Q&A and and um hear from any um members of the public that wish to speak. Freddy, >> yeah, one other thing and that's the tree. Um wonder if you can put it they had suggest we had suggested that um
consider adding a shade tree on your front lawn. Is that possible? We we are planning a full um horicultural uh plan. Uh we haven't we've talked to a couple of of um
uh of what you call consultants um that do do this work. Actually, one of our board members is in the business of uh uh yard yard uh renovations and so forth. So, uh once we once we finish
this and then raise a little more money, we we do intend to do a full uh horicultural uh re reworking of the property. U so it's premature to speculate what that's going to involve, but we do have that in in in our plans
as our next project. >> Well, in your project, would you please consider putting a tree there? >> Sure. >> Sorry. Say again. tree. >> Yes. >> I said in their next project when they get to the horicultural, would they please consider putting a tree there? >> Sure. >> Or or five.
>> You have a a beautiful big front yard. I know that's not something since it's really beyond the scope of this. It I think it is a good >> a great suggestion. I mean with this board is very attentive to tree
preservation and to especially to native species and you know the the kind um that really do support birds and pollinators and of course for people who live and visit it's just a beautiful thing to look at. So
>> sure. Well, we typically impose a condition in circumstances like this which says the applicant has to prepare a landscape plan that's subject to the review and approval by either the board or the landscape subcommittee and we can certainly qualify it so that that
doesn't they can phase that in at a over over time given what Mr. uh Frier um said that they still need to raise money for that. But I would suggest we put in that that kind of condition. It's not unusual for us. We do it all the time. I'm I mean I would I would only object
to it because it's outside this in my opinion outside the scope of the application frankly. Um I think a commitment orally from the applicant is sufficient in this case. I mean otherwise that could commit us to
something that we don't either have budgeted for correctly currently and we don't want to be in non-compliance with whatever approval we received tonight. >> Right. I said >> Justin when I said that I'm thinking
three to five years and we can't have a have a a condition that stretches that far. I don't think >> well the purpose of the tree according to the the environmental commission thing is to offset emissions during construction and I'm sure you're going to plan on constructing that. So it'd
have to be a pretty have to be a pretty big tree to be to be planted. >> The construction is going to take place this summer. >> Yeah. So that's that was that was the comment. >> Okay. Thanks, Freddie. Justin, >> if I could add two comments um to that.
Um I know the club is on a tight deadline to get this started. So if we were to send them to the landscape committee, that would take a significant amount of time. um that would affect their their project. Um and secondly, um the university uh in in cooperation with
the Princeton Prospect Foundation um has been undergoing a process to add more trees uh immediately adjacent to Prospect Avenue. I don't know exactly where they stand with that. Um but uh they do intend to add uh add it back to
essentially what it was before the inexplicable reason to put um red gravel out there. Uh so uh that may alleviate um yeah it'll be nice. Let's just put it that way. >> Yeah. No,
>> it's really good to hear, Mr. prior that the that that the club is you know um looking to uh you know landscaping for the next for the next uh phase of
improvements. um because you can add a bunch of a bunch of things that really do add a lot of >> right >> a lot of value and in terms of habitat and um I'm sure that the students would appreciate it as well as
>> right it just has to be done as part of a comprehensive plan and as I say that's a three to five year project. >> Yeah, >> we we have to pay for this one first. >> Understood. Now the one other um point that the the chair raised it was a
question of um installing uh Energy Star certified appliances. Bob, where where are you on that? >> Well, I again that's you mean internally like a refrigerators and stuff like that that we >> the appliances that you add as you do
this addition. I'm not talking about elsewhere in the >> Yeah, >> but internal >> I I was unaware that that was a requirement of a site plan application to have. >> It's not It was just a suggestion by the Environmental Commission.
>> I mean, I don't I don't know that we've budgeted ordering them yet or or what, but we certainly will take it under advisement. No question. >> Okay. I mean, Energy Star is not some, you know, crazy high
super high bar. I mean, they're Energy Star appliances are everywhere. >> Yeah. And no doubt. >> Yeah. And they are they are much more energy efficient than than others. So please uh you know if you do add you
know fridges and freezers and and that kind of thing you they really you know just from a basic responsible citizen kind of perspective should be Energy Star certified. Hi Nat. >> Yeah Madam Chair.
>> Are you going to be mad at me about nickpicking right now? >> No I would never do that. Um uh but I did want I I did note that you had asked a question earlier about how much time was expected and whether we're going to
have a break and I feel like I'm >> yeah we need I'm >> antsy to know the answer to that because I'm not sure whether we're whether we should be just concluding this or they're going to take a break and we have more to come. >> So
>> um fair. Thank you. Um if Mr. Chai Chester is finished. Um, and I think that we should take a break and then come back and have um uh any further thoughts and go through conditions and hear um any comments from
members of the public of of which right now there is one. Okay. So, um thanks for the nudge, Nat. Um it's 9:44. Let's be back at uh 9:54. Uh,
no later, please. And um we'll see you then. Pick it up then. Thank you. Okay, I think we're waiting for Nat, Linda, Jack, Okay, let's get started again.
Um, sorry, I'm looking across my screen for Mr. Casey. Who's next? >> I have no one else, Madam Chair. >> Okay. Okay. Um, so, um, questions from
board members for any of the for Mr. Casey or any of his witnesses for the applicant? >> And um anything from staff um Justin or Jim or Taylor?
Anything you want to bring to our attention before we or or questions you want to pose before we go to any public comment there might be? >> Uh not from me, Madam Chair. I believe all the comments in the planners report were addressed. >> Yeah, I was just checking that as well.
I think we got them all. >> And the same here from engineering and zoning. >> Okay, great. Uh well, we have one one attendee. Um sir, uh if you would like to uh address the board, you can virtually
raise your hand right now. And I see that you are not doing that. So, I will close the public hearing portion of this application and um move on to final thoughts or comments or if someone would
like to Well, Mr. Mueller, do you want to go over the um conditions that we've talked about tonight? Yeah, why don't I go over everything be pen final site plan approval the two variances with respect
to parking the waivers that are I think they're just submission waiverss that are set forth on pages one and two of the memo by Jim and Derek. Um and then for the um conditions
there's not going to be uh heck of a lot. There's a um the typical condition about the applicants engineer submitting a construction cost estimate. Um then the uh see what else.
Um use bird safe bird safe glass or film on windows to prevent bird strikes. Then they'll consider installing energy store certified um appliances. uh the light fixture that has been that
has been chosen for the loading area or that will be chosen should comply with dark star dark sky international st uh standards reduce the color temperature to no more than 3,000 what's that what's the case stand >> it's a temperature
>> Kelvin Kelvin Kelvin I think that's it. That's all I have. >> Okay. Um if there are no further uh questions or comments, um would someone like to
make a motion um to approve this applications with the conditions Mr. Mueller just articulated? So moved. >> Thank you, Miss Schwimmer. Is there a second? >> Happy to second.
>> Thank you, Claudia. Um, Miss Battle, would you call the role, please? >> Certainly. Mr. Buddingheimer, >> yes. >> Mr. McGawan, >> yes. >> Miss Pearl Mutter, >> yes. >> Miss, >> yes.
>> Mr. Taylor. >> Yes. >> Miss Wilson Anderson. >> Yes. >> Chair Wilson. >> Yes. >> Motion carried. >> Thank you. I thought that part would take longer. It usually does. And I um I
apologize for my undisiplined approach to the break. I will try not to do that again. Um thanks to all of you from um Dial Elm Canon or Canon Dial Elm I thought it was. Anyway, >> that's right. Thank you, madam.
>> I'm reading your I'm reading your thing, Mr. Casey, and I thought, is that the right order? Um, anyway, thank you very much. Good luck with your project. I hope it all goes smoothly and um if there's no further business, our next
meeting is March 5th. Several more ordinances. And um um >> we have a meeting next Thursday for ordinances. >> No. No. Well, on the 5th. I don't think
we have a We're not looking to schedule a special meeting, are we, Justin? No. >> No, we're not. >> Nope. >> Just March 5th, our regular scheduled one. >> Okay. And so, um, since Councilman Cohen is not here to do his usual end of
meeting job, I'm going to assert executive privilege and move to adjourn. Is there a second? All in favor? I. >> Um, thanks very much everybody. Really appreciate it. And we'll see you next
time. >> Yeah. Thank you all very much. Thanks to the Princon Professionals, too. I appreciate it. I know you guys are underst staffed and you guys do a great job. So, I appreciate it greatly. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Casey. >> Yeah. >> Yep. >> Thanks.
>> Have a good night. >> Night.