Uh, yes. If someone can bring Mr. Taylor over, that'd be great. Yes, I do. Take care. Thank you. Thank you. This is a regular meeting of the Princeton Planning Board on Thursday. Let me turn my video on. I'm sorry. Uh, Thursday, June 5th, 2025.
Pursuant to section 13 of the open public meetings act, adequate notice of the time and place of this meeting has been given by prominently posting the resolution of regularly scheduled meetings of the planning board of Princeton for February 2024 through
January 2025. A copy was filed with the clerk of Princeton on January 8th, 2024. Legal notice on the adoption of said resolution was published in the January 12th, 2024 edition of the Princeton packet. Notice of this meeting has also
been posted to the municipal website www.princetonj.gov/calendar. Notice that all regular and special meetings of the Princeton Planning Board will be held electronically via Zoom was transmitted to the Princeton packet and the Times and was filed with the clerk of Princeton on Tuesday, January 17,
2023. Please note this meeting is being recorded. During hearings on applications for development, members of the public will have an opportunity to comment and ask questions. Questions may be asked after an applicant's witnesses
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the reactions or raise hand icon at the bottom of your Zoom screen or if participating by phone by pressing star 9. Oral comments will be taken in the order in which hands were raised. We ask with respect that members of the public
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matters not before the board will be muted. Okay. Um, thank you, Carrie Phillip. I appreciate that. Um, uh, would you call the roll, please? Now, after you bring, actually, first let's
make sure that Mr. Taylor get here. Go. He's coming in now. Okay. Mr. Bodakimer, Miss Capazolei here, Mr. Cohen here,
Mayor Freda here, Mr. McGawan here, Miss Na here, Mr. O'Donnell here, Miss Pearlmutter here, Mr. Taylor Jack, you're muted. Mr. Taylor's in the process of getting
his camera right now. Miss Wilson Anderson here. Mrs. Wilson here. Uh, we do have a quorum. Thank you very much. Um, any announcements?
from staff or board members. Okay, see Justin, let's go. Yes, thank you, Madam Chair. Sorry, I'm trying to multitask and and do it as well. My apologies for the technical difficulties tonight. Um, and
I'm going to hang up the phone now. Um, I just had a one quick announcement. Um, if you have any planners in your life or people interested in a career around planning and land use, uh, please tell them about all the good work we're doing and direct them to the municipality's
job board at princenj.gov for a few postings. Um, we recently reposted the newly created assistant director of planning position. Um, we will have another position posted shortly for an emerging professional. Um that'll be a
planner uh just general planner position. Uh perhaps someone straight out of grad school or with a bachelor's degree and a few years of work. Uh and lastly, we'll be posting for the administrative coordinator to begin at the end of the summer as well. Thank you. Okay. Thank you.
Um any other announcements? I'm flipping over to a different screen. Okay. Um I don't think that we have subcommittee reports tonight. Or do we? Nope. Okay. Um, sorry. Bear with me. I'm a little slow
because Yeah. Uh, we have two sets of minutes. Are we considering both of them this evening? And don't anything. Okay. Yes, we are. So, um, two regular meetings. One from May 16, 2024. Another from July 11, 2024.
taking May 16 first. Um, are there any comments or um suggested edits? And if not, would someone like to move those minutes? I'll move them. Thanks. Moved
by Mr. Cohen, seconded by Second, Mr. Taylor. Thank you. Um, uh, Carrie, call the role, please. Just a voice. Just a voice. Okay. Sorry. Um, all in favor, please say I.
I. I. Any opposed or abstaining? Never mind. Abstaining. Um, thank you. Second set of minutes um from July 11th, 2024. Any suggestions,
uh, questions? And if not, would someone like to move them? I'll move them. Thanks, Miss Capazolei. And a second. I'll second by Mr. O'Donnell. Thank you. All in favor, please say I. I. I. Any opposed?
Thank you. Um, next up on the agenda is a resolution of approval, which I understand we are continuing. Um, Mr. Mueller, do you want to explain or or or is that a Jerry or a
Carrie thing? We well maybe Carrie can I um I had sent the resolution for um agendaizing back um in May. I think it was May 8th. Um Carrie noted that the conclusion it was
a little different at the end because there was a signature line for you and the administrative secretary. Um she said this is new. I said we should be doing this from now on. uh the resolution should be certified and I don't know I don't know if anything has
happened since then. Yeah, tonight is a noticing one. Justin or Carrie? Sorry, Madam Chair. Just uh long story short, we'll we'll we errored and sending out the wrong minutes uh to members of the board. So resolution wrong resolution to members of the board uh from the
previous approval rather than the April one. So we will need to correct that and we apologize for that. my sincere. I thought it looked familiar. It had the formal votes on it probably. Sorry. I'm very sorry. That's all right,
Gary. Um, uh, good. So, those So, that will be on the next agenda. Okay, good. Um, we have, uh, an application being carried to July 17th, LDM,
Inc., That's a minor site plan with variance at 248 Nassau Street, block 30.02, lot 89. This is file number P2525- 594PM. Um,
who would like to let me let me start it. Um, proof ofation and service are in order. The board has jurisdiction. And Justin, if you could just jump in and explain what you are proposing be done at this point. And I I will swear you in
if you could raise your right hand. Do you swear or affirm that testimony you're about to give be the truth? I do. So I sworn affirmed. Yeah. Yep. Uh madam chair, members of the board, we are just carrying this I believe to July 17th or or I know to July 17th when the
applicant is available. Um and they will not be required to renotice because of that. So, this is the notice, right? No further notice. Okay. Um, thank you for that. And then, um,
if we can have a vote on that ju just to Oh, I'm sorry. to to carry it um to the 17th of of July. Sure. Um, would someone like to move that? I didn't realize action was uh Thanks, Mr. O'Donnell. Seconded. I can
second. Thank you, Miss Na. All in favor, please say I. Any opposed are abstaining? Great. Thank you. Um, next up, we have an application from Louisa Clayton. This is a minor
subdivision lot line adjustment at 93 Mount Lucas Road and 82 Tune Road. This is block 7006, lots 8 and 9 and file number P2525-612 MS. Um, welcome Miss Clayton. Uh, our our
apologies once again for the delay in getting the meeting underway. Um, are you umadam represented by council? Are you represent Madam Chair, if I may? Oh, what jurisdiction? Yes, thank you. Proof of publication and service are in order
and the board has jurisdiction. Great. Thanks. One of these days I will um have that imprinted on my brain to ask every time. Um so, Miss Clayton um uh are you
representing yourself? Will you um or do you have anybody? I I'm I know we're going to turn to you first, Justin, because we do have u memos that the board received. Um so Justin will give us a little bit of an overview, but um
I'm not seeing anybody else, Miss Clayton, on your team. Is that correct? Are you expecting anybody else? I am not expecting anyone else. I'm representing myself and my neighbor. I think my neighbor's going to join, but would you like me to move her over?
Uh sure. Yeah, but you you cannot represent your neighbor. I mean, you can represent your neighbor. No, I'm not I'm not I'm not trying to represent my neighbor. I'm just I'm presenting the application. Okay, great. Um, thank you very much. Um, Justin. Yes. Thank you, Madam Chair.
Uh, let me u staff expected to testify. Just in case, let's make sure that Mr. Weissman and Mr. Bridger are sworn as well. If you could raise your right hand, do you swear or affirm that testimony about to
give a be truth? I do. Yes, I do. You say sworn or affirmed. Thank you, Jerry. And and good evening, members of the public and members of the board. I'm going to start by sharing my screen. Um, and as you can see, I have the uh
publicly available NJ map partial explorer created by Rowing University. And we will call this PB1. Uh, Jerry. Yes. Great. Thanks. And um I'll give a brief summary of my two-page memo uh dated May
22nd, 2025. Really one one page and a few lines uh less than two. Um the subject parcels are seen in blue in the blue outlines in this aerial photo. Um they include 93 Mount Lucas Road and 82
Tur Road. Uh 82 Turhune includes the historic Mansro mansion on a 3acre lot. Mansrove is a locally designated historic district comprised of just this lot uh including all parts of it from
the leg out on on Mount Lucas to uh the really where the mansion is. Um, and the proposal before you that I'm sure Miss Clayton will describe in a minute is to adjust uh this lot line on
the back of the Mount Lucas lot um to essentially square it off with the adjacent lot line uh by transferring land from the larger uh uh Mansro lot. Um the transfer would be approximately.3
acres. Uh there are no variances being requested tonight. Um I don't have any planning concerns. As I stated in the memo, the HPC chair and historic preservation office uh officer have no objections to the subdivision application. Um and the historic
preservation officer is not able to attend tonight. So Miss Capazolei uh can put on her HB HPC chair hat to discuss their memo. Um, I am probably putting the cart before the horse here, but as I put in my memo, approval by the board is
recommended. Um, and my only comment being a clarification for a question that I'm assuming will come up. And there go my lights. Um, if the and we'll just do it in the dark. Why not? Um, if the lot line adjustment
were to be approved by the board tonight, the portion that's being transferred away from the larger Mansro mansion lot would still be in the Mansgrove Historic District and thus any development in that area would still be subject to historic preservation uh
review. So, it would kind of be a a one lot partial in a historic district, partial not. the part that's still in the historic district would be subject to review, but again, that's just hypothetical. Um, because there are no improvements proposed. This is just a
subdivision uh lot line adjustment. Um, so I hope I answered your question, Mr. Cohen. I think I saw your hand up. Um, but uh I'm here if there are any other questions. U Mr. Weissman and Mr. Bridger are also here to discuss their engineering and zoning memo uh along
with the technical comments within it. Thank you. Um, thanks Mr. Leco. And I um I guess I just want to ask and then this is either for you or for
Miss Capazolei. Um, can you explain um I mean I think I know the answer to this, but you can you explain why that leg that will if approved become part of uh Miss Clayton's lot um stays in the
historic district. Sure. So there's Oh, Julie, do you want to take that? No, go ahead. You go ahead. Sure. So, I was uh just going to say tonight what we're doing is just a subdivision, you know, lot line, which is something that that the board, the
planning board does. Now, if there was a change in the actual geography of a historic district, it would basically be the same process as creating a historic district or adding to it. Um, I don't believe that has ever
happened in Princeton before since our historic districts uh were first established in the late 80s. Um, but that process as as you may know is a really a multi-step process between the historic commission um and the council
with a stop at the planning board in between. So to do that would be kind of part of that larger process and and you know it's not being asked for um and it's not obviously just within the planning board's purview. Okay. Anything to add Julie?
Um no that I but I do um just want to point out being a heavily wooded lot that um you know we're confident that the site is uh well protected. [Music] Right. Thank you.
Um, Mr. Bridger or Mr. Weissman, do you have anything uh urgent to add before we hear from Miss Clayton? Mr. Weissman. Thank you, Madam Chair. Good evening, everybody. I'll be brief. Uh, there are uh two checklist waivers
uh as part of this application. One for a fire protection plan, the other for some required notes that relate to site improvements. Uh staff has no objection to the granting of these waivers. There's also six comments in the engineering and zoning memo. Um, these
are procedural comments. There are no uh issues really that jump out. They're they're more for designation of lot numbers. Um, review of D documents by the municipal attorney. Um, those those type of things, just procedural um but nothing nothing uh that jumps out to
staff. Okay, good. Thank you. Thank you, Miss Clayton. Hey, welcome. Great. Thank you so much. Thank you for your time. Yeah. If you could raise your I didn't swear you in yet, did I miss? No, you didn't. Very. Do you swear or affirm the testimony
about to give will be the truth? I do. So, I sw affirmed. Thank you. So, thank you so much. Um, we are requesting an adjustment to the lot line um between my property at 93 Mount Lucas Road and that of my neighbor
at 82 Terune Road. Exactly what everybody just explained. Um, so just a little bit about me for those of you who don't know me. My husband and I have lived in Princeton for close to 20 years at and at this property for 12 and we're
raising three kids here. Two are already off to college and the youngest one is in 9th grade. They've all walked to community park, the middle school, and the high school. Um, we love the property, the house, the
convenience to public schools, town center, shopping center, university. Um, I work locally and I've spent many years volunteering for the schools and on municipal boards. So, that said, we are looking to acquire
this parcel of land u mostly to simplify the property lines. And if I could, could I share my screen? Sure. Okay. Super. Go. Okay.
So, let me just move this over so I can see it. Can you see this? Yes, we can. Thank you. Okay, perfect. So, this is the tax map A1. Excuse me. Just Yeah, let's mark this as exhibit A1. Okay. And Miss Clayton, if you could just identify
what that is. So this is the tax map of our block and this is Mount Lucas Road as you can see and this is Terune Road. The blue is the existing condition of my neighbor 82 Terune and the purple is my 93.
So you can see that there's a little piece that of 82 that goes out to Mount Lucas. Um, what we're hoping to do and what we're asking you for approval to do is to transfer basically this parcel
of land from 82 Terune to 93 Mount Lucas and that would create basically a much simplified version of our lots. Um, so it's just, you know, it can get a little confusing about who's supposed to
mow this lawn and how's how it all supposed to work. And so it just is would be just a lot simpler to just have a straight fence across. So that's what we're asking for. That's it. Um and we do understand that this you
know transferred parcel um here would remain in the Mansrow Historic District and if in the future there are any improvements to this part of the lot that it would you know um be subject to any HPC review.
So okay. Um thank you Mr. Cohen. Yeah. I just am curious either you Louisa or Julie if you have any um theories about historically why the shape of the lot is the way it is currently
um with that leg going out to Mount Lucas. I mean did there used to be a driveway? What what or or do we just not know? I mean I don't think we know Oh, sorry. Go ahead, Julie. probably the person who
we'd know is Wanda Gunning. Yes. Um so she would know. Uh but yeah, this was designated sometime in the 80s. So I'm not sure when they drew up the
designation if it explains that. And maybe there was a drive at one point. I don't know. Okay. just curious. Um, other questions for
uh Miss Clayton or for staff? Not seeing any any hands going up or any anything. Um, so with this uh very straightforward request and no questions, would someone like to mad chair a motion? Madam Chair,
can you open it to the public? Gosh. Um, I'm I'm in the mountains without a printer, so I'm even more h I'm sorry not to be on top of every last thing tonight. Um
so um yeah, this is an application and therefore um uh we have a public hearing. Now is an opportunity for members of the public to um address the board if you've got um questions or comments about this
um this application. Uh now is the time to raise your hand virtually. And we have one person in the attendees room. I am not seeing a hand go up. And so I will close the public comment portion of the meeting and invite
um comments and questions from the board or staff. And there being none that I can see, would someone like to make a motion? I'll move it. And just Thank you, Mr. Just to articulate what it is. We talk as a lot
line adjustment. What it technically is, it's a subdivision and then consolidation of the new lot that's created, the very small lot with Ms. uh Clayton's existing lot to to create the lot that that you can see in purple on
on the screen. Uh plus the two waiverss that um Dan talked about and the six comments that are in his report that we could go over, they're all self-explanatory and he went over them as well. And um
does the applicant have any questions about or or reservations about those um matters brought up in the um in the memo? It seems pretty straightforward. Okay,
good. Louisa, could you stop your share? I just Oh, sorry. Yes. Yes. Let me figure out how to do that. Hang on. Stop. Share. Got it. Okay, great. Thank you. So, uh, Mayor Freda made a motion. Jerry
described um the action that the motion um suggests we approve. The applicant is amendable to all of the comments and requirements as described in the um staff memos. Is there a second to Mayor
Freda's motion? Second. Thank you, Mr. McGawen. Um Carrie, would you call the role, please? Miss Capazolei, yes. Mr. Cohen, yes. Mayor Freda, yes. Mr. McGawan, yes. Miss
Na, yes. Mr. O'Donnell. Yes. Miss Pearlmutter. Miss Pearl Mutter. Yes. Uh, Miss Wilson. Oh, I'm sorry. Mr. Taylor, yes. And Mrs. Wilson. Yes. Motion carried. Wait, wait, wait. What
is that? 1 2 3 4 5 Nine. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine. Nine is my max. Okay. Did did M did David did you vote? Yeah, I did. Well, okay. I have Wilson,
Cohen, Freda, Capolei, McGawan, Nuke, Pearl, Mutter, Wilson, Anderson. That's nine, right? That's our max. You had Taylor also. Wilson Anderson does not vote, correct?
Right. Oh. Oh, I see. Okay. Right. Okay. Great. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you. Motion carried. Thank you. Great. Thank you so much. Really appreciate. All right. Thank you. Um and thank you, Miss Jordan, as well.
Um again, sorry you all had to wait. Um so for the board um we need to adjourn uh into executive
session I think to complete the Q&A um on the matter that we were discussing in the executive session um prior to to this open session. So um Miss Jordan if you can um exit the meeting that'd be
great. Thank you so much. And I think Louisa also is gone. Um, we don't need to We do have a member in the audience. Oh, I'm sorry. Rich has to leave, too. Yes. Okay. And we'll need to
stop the recording as well. Uh, but I believe we need a motion to go into the executive session. Okay. So, uh, Mr. Ryan has left. Um, we do need a motion to uh to go into executive session. Would someone like to make that motion?
Sure. Thank you, Mr. Cohen. Seconded by Mr. McDonald. All in favor, please say I. just the motion should include the purpose as as it did the last time which is to go over the master plan but but that's in the context of the litigation which comes out of the the the new
system for um for calculating fourth round obligations and fulfilling them. So it's really in the litigation context that we that we're doing this which justifies going into the claw session. Yeah, thanks for making that clear. Great madam chair. I'm going to pause
the recording then. Okay. Um thank you. So um we have concluded our executive session um for this evening and for the day. Um we were discussing the fourth round housing uh
element of the master plan. Uh we have a public hearing coming up on that element on um Wednesday, June 25th at 7 p.m. Look forward to seeing everybody at that time if not before.
And I I think it's likely that our meeting on the 12th will be cancelled, but we don't know that for certain yet. It it will um this uh planning office will let us know as soon as possible.
Probably tomorrow. Okay, great. Mr. Cohen, I move we adjourn. Thank you, Mayor Freda. All in favor, please say I. I. Thank you everybody. Good night. Thanks very much. Next week.
Thank you. Good night. Have a good night.