Good evening and welcome. This is a regular meeting of the Princeton Planning Board on Thursday, September 4th, 2025. Pursuant to section 13 of the Open Public Meetings Act, adequate notice of the time and place of this meeting has been given by prominently posting the
resolution of regularly scheduled meetings of the planning board for February 2025 through January 2026. A copy was filed with the clerk of Princeton on January 8th, 2025. Legal notice on the adoption of said
resolution was published in the January 17, 2025 edition of the Princeton packet. Notice of this meeting also has been posted to the municipal website, princetonj.gov/calendar. Notice that all regular and special meetings of the Princeton Planning Board will be held electronically via Zoom was
transmitted to the Princeton packet and the times and was filed with the clerk of Princeton on Tuesday, January 17, 2023. Please note that this meeting is being recorded. During hearings on applications for
development, members of the public will have an opportunity to comment and ask questions. Questions may be asked after an applicant's witnesses have testified. Public comment is heard by the board after an applicant's representatives have finished their presentations and have been questioned by planning board
members and staff. Um we don't have a hearing on an application tonight, but we do have an ordinance referral um for master plan consistency review. So we will invite public comment at that time. But the hearing will take place
before councel uh later this month. Those wishing to comment orally should virtually raise your hand when the time comes um by clicking on the reactions or raise hand icon at the bottom of your Zoom screen
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time. Please note that speakers who exceed 3 minutes will be interrupted. Inappropriate public comment containing obscenity, hate speech, or relating to matters not before the board will be muted.
Mr. Leco, will you call the role? >> Yes. Thank you, Madam Chair. Mr. Bodingheimer. Present. >> Miss Capazolei. >> Mr. Cohen. >> Here. >> Mayor Frereda. Mr. McGawan. >> I'm here.
>> Miss Na >> here. >> Mr. O'Donnell >> here. >> Miss Pearlmutter >> here. >> Mr. Taylor >> here. >> Miss Wilson Anderson >> here. >> And Chair Wilson >> here.
>> You have a quorum. >> Thank you. Um announcements. Any uh announcements, Justin? >> Uh yes, I have a few. I have three to start. Um first, uh unfortunately for us, but very fortunately for him, uh Dan
Weissman is leaving the municipality for another position uh at the end of next week. So, he's not here tonight. I told him he didn't have to be here tonight. Um so, his last meeting with this planning board probably already happened. Uh but I will send any wellw wishes to him that you have. Um likely
Jim or well I know by now Jim Purcell will be at the next meeting. U for those that have been on the the board for a couple terms uh Jim was previously uh did the engineering role before the board uh as far back as maybe 2022 I
want to say uh for a couple years. um and he'll be here while we look to establish our uh you know near and midterm and longerterm plans uh for the land use engineer. Uh my second announcement is it is
likely the next scheduled meeting on September 18th will be cancelled. Um basically depending on happen what happens tonight, we'll probably cancel it if we don't need it. Um, and we will have a special meeting on September 25th uh to discuss some applications from the
Princeton public schools for conditional use approval. And then the third uh uh announcement I have, I guess I started with the bad news, now I'm finishing with the good news. Um, we have a new planner in the planning department named Tyrone Carter. Uh, he started a few weeks ago and I know he's in the
audience tonight. we don't have to put him on the spot, but uh we're very excited that Tyrone's with us. >> I'm sure we'll put him on the spot soon enough. >> No, it's that is really really great
news and welcome to Tyrone. Um I am so sorry to hear about Dan Weissman's departure. for he has been just great and so I >> please do uh extend to him our best
wishes and thanks and um I you know I I will kick him an email I'm sure and of course others should feel free to do so as well um >> yeah who knows maybe he'll hate it and he'll
come back very unlikely Um all right. Thanks. Are there any other um announcements from board members or anyone? Okay.
Um subcommittee reports. We have no subcommittee reports. I don't think we have not had subcommittee meetings since our last session. Yeah. Okay. So, next up we have minutes um from the regular meeting of July
18th, 2024. Are there questions, suggestions, edits? Uh and hearing none or seeing none would somewhat Mr. O'Donnell is making a motion.
>> Okay, thanks Owen. Is there a second? >> We can second. Thank you, Pal. >> Paliv, I think you were recused that night. >> Um, >> or >> no, >> from part of it.
>> Okay, got it. Sorry about that. >> So, she's eligible to second if she was >> Yes, that's correct. I was looking at the wrong part. >> Great. Um, thanks, Miss Na. Um, so all in favor, please say I. I.
>> Any opposed? I abstain. I was absent. >> Okay. Um, next up we have several resolutions. The first is for LDM, Inc. This was a minor site plan
with variance at 248 Nassau Street, block 30.02, lot 89. It is file number P2525-594 PM. >> Mr. Cohen, >> I'm happy to move adoption, I guess, is
the right term of the uh resolution. >> Thank you for that. >> Is there a second? >> Second. >> Thanks, Mr. McGawan. Um, would you call the role, please, Justin? >> Mr. Bodingheimer. >> Yes.
Mr. Cohen. >> Yes. >> Mr. McGawan. >> Yes. >> Miss Na. >> All of you're on mute. >> Yes. >> Mr. O'Donnell. >> Yes. >> Miss Pearl.
>> Yes. >> And Chair Wilson. >> Yes. Um, just quickly going back to the minutes, I know that staff are working really hard to get us um more current with our minutes. Um, you know, it's not
not a great best practice to be a year behind. Um it's it's it's a timeconsuming task and um and uh and and I know that that folks are working on it um diligently right now and and we're
over the break. So I just wanted to mention that and um hopefully before long we'll have a a spate of them to um to review and approve. The next resolution we have is 217 Witherspoon
LLC. This was a major site plan. Um, an extension of vesting rights file number P222-244P. Uh, approval was granted uh June 15, 2023. Extension was granted
uh July 17, 2025. Um, the address is 217 Witherspoon Street and the file number now is P2522-244T. Would someone like to move that resolution? >> I'll move it.
>> Thank you, Mr. McGowan. Is there a second? >> Thanks, Mr. Cohen. Call the RO, please. Justin. >> Mr. Bodingheimer. >> Yes. Mr. Cohen, >> yes. >> Mr. McGawan, >> yes. >> Miss Na,
>> yes. >> Mr. O'Donnell, >> yes. >> Miss Pearl Mutter, >> yes. >> And Chair Wilson, >> yes. >> Thank you. Um, next up we have a resolution for Estate Shore. This was a minor subdivision. Again, an extension
of time. The approval was granted originally 9/119 2024. An extension was denied on July 17, 2025. Um, this is two uh for the address 279
Jefferson Road. It's file number P2323-43MS. >> Madam Chair, I did at least >> Yes, Mr. Mueller. I heard I thought you said two 279 Jefferson. It's 479, isn't it? >> Oh, I'm sorry. I've I must have
misspoken. It is 479 Jefferson. Yes. Thank you for that correction. Someone like to move that resolution? >> I'll move the resolution. >> Thank you, Mr. O'Donnell. And second. >> Second.
Thank you, Mr. Bodheimer. Um, Justin, would you call the role, please? >> Mr. Bodenheimer? >> Yes. >> Mr. Cohen? >> Yes. >> Mr. McGawan? >> Yes. >> Miss Na? >> Yes. >> Mr. O'Donnell?
>> Yes. >> Miss Pearl Mutter? >> Yes. >> And Chair Wilson? >> Yes. >> Next up, we have a resolution related to Steven Wasco. This was a minor subdivision. Again, an extension of time. The original approval was granted
December 19, 2024. Um, oh, I'm sorry. I'm skipping Iodelli, aren't I? I apologize. Um, so item D under resolutions is Princeton
Developers, formerly Iodelli. This was a minor subdivision. Um, again, an extension of time. The approval was granted September 19, 2024. An extension was granted July 17, 2025.
This is at 469 Euing Street, file number P2322-255m. Would someone like to move that resolution? Moved by Councilman Cohen. Is there a second? >> Second. >> By Mr. Bodyimer. Um, Justin, call the role, please.
>> Mr. Boddingheimer, >> yes. >> Mr. Cohen, >> yes. >> Mr. McGawan, >> yes. >> Miss Na, >> yes. >> Mr. O'Donnell, >> yes. >> Miss Pearlmutter, >> yes. >> And Chair Wilson,
>> yes. Now we're at Steven Wasco's resolution. This was a minor subdivision, an extension of time. The approval was granted December 19, 2024. An extension
was granted July 17, 2025. This is at 561 and 537 Stockton Street and it's file number P2323-368M. >> I'll move it. >> I have a motion. Thanks, Mr. Cohen. And a second.
>> A second. >> Thanks, Mr. O'Donnell. Uh, roll call, please. >> Mr. Boddingheimer, >> yes. >> Mr. Cohen, >> yes. >> Mr. McGawen, >> yes. >> Miss Na, >> yes. >> Mr. O'Donnell,
>> yes. >> Miss Pearl Mutter, >> yes. >> Chair Wilson, >> yes. And finally, we have Ala Patel Penu. This was a minor subdivision. Again, this is a resolution uh an extension of
time. The approval was granted September 19, 2024. An extension was granted July 17, 2025. This is a property at 1082 Princeton Kingston Road and the file
number is P2323-369M. Would someone like to move this resolution? Thank you, Mr. O'Donnell, and second. >> I'll second. >> Thanks, Mr. Mr. McGawan. Roll call, please. >> Mr. Bodheimer, >> yes. >> Mr. Cohen,
>> yes. >> Mr. McGawan, >> yes. >> Miss Na, >> yes. >> Mr. O'Donnell, >> yes. >> Miss Pearlmutter, >> yes. >> And Chair Wilson, >> yes. Thank you.
Um, next up, we have an ordinance referral for master plan consistency. This is ordinance 2025-15. It is an ordinance of the municipality of Princeton amending chapter T10B
entitled land use of the municipality of Princeton by creating excuse me affordable housing district 14 AH14 in furtherance of the Fair Housing Act. Um, a public hearing will take place um
before council, mayor and council on September 8th, 2025. So, early next week. Um, Mr. Leco. Well, I guess Mr. Mueller, is
there any notice or jurisdiction issue to speak to? >> No. >> Here. Okay. I didn't think so, but didn't want to skip you. I so often do. Uh, go ahead, Justin.
>> Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you. U, so I'm going to summarize my memo dated August 26, 2025, which was included in your packets and on the municipal website. Um, it'll be a very brief summary. Uh, council has referred ordinance 202515 to the planning board for master plan
consistency review. As the chair just stated, this is the first ordinance to come out of the fourth round housing plan element and fair share plan that the board adopted in late June and was subsequently endorsed by council. Uh the ordinance before you would establish the
AH14 zone and uh we're going out of order with the numbering of the affordable housing zones to keep them consistent with the fourth round plan. So don't worry, you did not miss AH8 through 13. uh but we will certainly get
to all of them by next uh March when uh as required. Uh this ordinance specifically would reszone one parcel at 29th Annit Road from the O2 office research zone it's currently in. You may remember from the third round housing
plan um that the other parcel, I think it was one parcel at the time, now two par two or three parcels now um on Thanet Road were reszone to allow for the development of the uh Avalon Inclusionary Apartments and Town Homes and the Princeton Senior Living 100%
affordable uh senior apartment building. Um both of which are currently built and occupied. The Governor's Lane multif family development is to the northeast of the parcel. Um, and single family homes in the R5 zone are roughly to the south of
it. Um, though there is a narrow dog leg that runs from the parcel to Turkune Road. Uh, the AH14 zone would allow for up to 85 stacked townhouse units with a minimum number of 17 affordable units. Uh the ordinance does include a
definition of stacked townhouse as we currently do not have one on in our ordinance. And I would say the easiest way to think of a stacked townhouse um is to first think of your traditional townhouse um be it a townhouse or a rowhouse uh
except the difference with the stacked one is that units can kind of be over one another. Um, in the traditional townhouse, you would have one unit uh with one or two vertical walls, sidewalls. Um, but with a stack
townhouse, the units can stack like Tetris blocks a little bit. Um, and thus you can get different size units and bedroom counts. Uh, this ordinance allows for multiple buildings on this parcel with no more than 14 units in each building. The
maximum height permitted of each building is four stories and 50 ft. Uh the maximum permitted coverage for the whole parcel would be 45%. Uh moving on to parking, uh one space is required for each unit with one or two
bedrooms and two parking spaces are required for each unit with three or more bedrooms. And on top of that, an additional.35 spaces uh per unit is required for visitor parking. The required spaces can be uh on surface
uh it could be surface parking or in individual enclosed garages under the units. Um tandem spaces where one car is parked behind the other are allowed in the garages um as long as both spaces belong to the same unit and deed restriction will be required to prevent
the garages from being converted to living space. Uh so this is really just a lot of words to say to describe a a usual garage under a townhouse. Uh the ordinance also requires landscape buffers along public street frontage and
to residential uses. Uh there are some wetlands and other environmental features on this site uh where building would be and will be prevented. And um you could see all of what I just mentioned in a conceptual plan that was included as an uh as an appendix in the
fourth round plan back in June. Um and I also attached it to my memo. So the board's task tonight uh is to determine if the ordinance is substantially consistent with the master plan. Um and as included in my memo, uh obviously
this ordinance is included directly in the housing element of the plan. So I would say that's pretty consistent. Um, but looking to other elements of the plan, um, I noted in my memo how it meets many other goals. Um, within the
introduction section of the master plan, there's a key finding that the community said Princeton needs more housing, especially at lower price points. That's then reflected in the vision statement uh, within the master plan. Um, these
town houses are expected to be for sale. uh both the market rate and the affordable designated affordable ones. A land use goal of the plan is to of the master plan is to enhance the existing pattern of land use uh in Princeton and
to strengthen mixeduse centers like the Princeton Shopping Center area specifically. Um mobility goals include reducing inbound commuting by developing housing in areas where jobs are located. um as well as encouraging a shift from single occupancy vehicles to walking,
biking, and other low or no emission forms of transportation as can be done in this location. Um and particularly as further improvements are put into place um in what is becoming the Tur mixeduse village uh which I didn't coin that
phrase. Um it that phrase comes from the award that the municipality won uh from New Jersey Future Smart Growth Award last year for the Turan mixeduse village. Uh utility goals and natural resource conservation goals are also met by
repurposing and redeveloping an already developed parcel uh where a uh an office building uh currently sits vacant um rather than seeing it continue to sit empty while green fields elsewhere are developed. Uh so this is kind of you know both for the utilities that are
already there and for the natural resources that don't have to be used uh because we're already we're putting this where it's already developed. Um so madam chair with that being said I will turn it back to you and I'm happy to answer any questions uh as the board makes their determination on if the
ordinance is subst substantially consistent with the master plan. Um I will then relay the board's determination back to council in a memo tonight or tomorrow. um as the council uh intends to hold the hearing uh on Monday night on the ordinance this upcoming Monday. Thank you.
>> Okay. Thank you. Um questions from board members or Mr. Mueller? No, I I just want to say I think this is a fabulous opportunity, you know, to
take a piece of not just underused land, but non-used land and uh create more housing in a space that has uh shown that it has the ability to uh
to to have to have that housing there. >> Yes. Um, yeah, I agree with that, Mr. Taylor. >> Yeah, just a couple of quick comments. First of all, I've been driving by this site for years and years and years. It's
clearly an ideal site for the ordinance for the purpose. I'm impressed and I'm glad to see finally it's been uh adopted or will be adopted the ordinance. Two related questions. Number one, Justin,
perhaps this is for you. Have we found in straightforward ordinance language such as this any problems up to now? Have there been any problems with ultimately execution? Number one. And number two, there's a
reference in 5B to subdividing. It says, "Whatever you do, you cannot preclude subdividing into condominiums or fe simple." And it seemed to be a sentence that stepped out of well, it didn't seem
to be sequential. I didn't understand it. What does it mean? >> Sure. And and where is you're looking at uh Jack? >> I'm looking at six and five. >> I'm looking at B. And I think it's I
don't have it in front of me. The second or last sentence. >> Yes. So, it it's it's actually saying that this will all be developed in one phase, but it can be subdivided. And that's L or not subdivided, excuse me, but sold as condos. Um because like
I said, this this one's expected to be for sale. Um one, we normally have a a paragraph like this, so things can't be subdivided and, you know, not developed in the way that we expect them to be.
um you know precluding someone from taking advantage of something that you know we didn't expect. So in this case it does allow uh they're going to have to develop them all together but it does allow uh these to be sold individually.
>> But does that follow from the first sale to subsequent sales? >> Yes. So after they're already condoed, they will be condoed, you know, expected to be in perpetuity. Is that your question?
>> Well, can can a condo on day one of sale on day two or second sale be subdivided? Can there be more than 85 units? In other words, because of that clause? >> No.
>> No. there there's a and I don't know if you heard Jerry there but uh there is for later on uh there's the maximum of 85 units. So there's going to be the one single development plan and those are the structures that will
be built. It can't someone can't then double down or or say you know I'm going to split mine into you know three units or anything like that. And to your first question about um execution of these ordinances,
uh we we've been pretty success successful with the third round affordable housing as you could see from the buildings that have gone up uh throughout town. I think there's really only one property that we're still developing. Um and that's a a municipally uh municipal one. Um, so I
would say yes, we've once we've had these ordinances, they've gone through the process uh of becoming uh, you know, being put into our code and then we will still have a site plan review later on and then we expect they'll be constructed. That's been the it's been
what uh has been occurring these past couple years. >> Thank you. Good. >> Yeah. Um, thank you for those questions, Jack. those were important issues and um I think I think it's safe to say that Princeton is doing a lot better than
many other towns when it comes to um building what's in the uh what was in the third round and in spite of the fact that we had way less time to do it which accounts for you know this you know
quite compressed time frame of a bunch of dwellings being built. um because we didn't do it over 10 years because of litigation that we were involved in. We did it in a much shorter time frame. Um Councilman Cohen,
>> yeah, I just wanted to comment. I know that Justin mentioned this already about these units being for sale, but you know, I want to emphasize that as member of the governing body, we've really been
hearing a lot of interest in that. um you know that we need while while we're happy to have the apartment buildings that have been going in, people are distressed about the levels of the rents, the amount the rents have been
increasing by and stuff like that. And so I think you know having more for sale units as part of a package of mixed uh housing solutions is really important. And you know, this is the one the one
development in the entire fourth round plan that's really intended to be for sale units. So, um I I wanted to make that comment. And to add to that, um you may remember
when we had uh the application at 375 TuneU about 14 months ago, our affordable housing manager uh wrote a memo saying there were just under 400 uh people on the waiting list for for sale units in Princeton. So, you know, we're
doing what we can to chip away at that. >> Great. Um I think that I noticed that and I I remember there being a remark um from Council President Saxs to this account I mean to this effect um that the there
there's no additional pavement in impervious cover on this um or won't be uh in this plan. So, I just want to confirm that the strip of um wooded uh land that's between the the
building furthest back or the sidewalk if there's a I guess it's a um parking lot back there. U the sidewalk is no further toward the property line with the Governor's Lane neighborhood than
the existing site. Is that is that correct? Uh, I'm not sure off the top of my head the dimensions of the current one. Um, it's certainly close. >> Yeah. Okay.
Um, other comments uh or questions from board members or anybody on staff? Mr. Mueller, anybody? >> Not me. >> M Miss Na. >> Um, just a a quick clarification
question. Does the ordinance um does this uh classification as an age14 zone imply that the developer has to develop this project as a set of four sale units? I'm just curious.
>> There's nothing in the ordinance that requires them to do that. Um in our plan it very well might mention that and I'm almost certain that's how the developer intends to do it. But I I will say it's always been my understanding and maybe Jerry wants to
weigh in on this, but uh legally under New Jersey state law, the municipality is not um entitled to take an interest in the form of ownership of any property. Um so,
>> okay. So, Justin, where your memo says it's expected these will be for sale units. It's not guaranteed in the ordinance. >> The ordinance does not require that. >> Okay. Thank you. That's all >> for the reasons that council >> it does not and cannot. >> Right.
>> Okay. Thank you, >> Justin. >> Yeah, good good question. Thank you for that. Um, Mr. Muller, >> I just would follow up on what NO was asking whether there's whether this is an overlay zone. This is not an overlay zone, right? There's no >> this would not be an overlay zone. This
would be a full resoning. Yep. Okay. Um, other questions before I invite public comment. There are um five attendees uh in the in
the other room so to speak. Uh, anyone who would like to address the board, please raise your hand right now. Um Fabian or Fabian Paulo just raised their hand. Um anyone else wishing to speak,
please raise your hand now and we will take comments in the order in which hands were raised. And so when you come over um as has already been done uh with Fabian Paulo, I hope I'm pronouncing
that properly. you'll need to um activate your camera so that we can all see each other and then uh Mr. Mueller will swear you in. Um
and so Fabian, if you would There you go. And so now you need to unmute yourself. You were unmuted before. I think you might have done that by uh welcome. >> Excuse me. Yeah, thank you. Hi.
>> Let Mr. Mueller needs to needs to start by swearing you in. Okay. >> Um yeah, so my name is Fabian Polo. P A U L O T. I live on Rover G R O Grover Avenue and um I swear to tell the truth, I guess. >> Okay.
>> That work for you, Mr. Mohler? >> Thank you. >> Yeah. Thank you. P A U L O T. Great. >> P. >> Exactly. Yeah. Thank you. Um, yes. So, I live in the shopping center neighborhood, so I'm very interested in this project. I agree with everything
that has been said. I think it's really excellent to have more affordable housing, especially for sale. So, I fully support this project. I have kind of questions about the memos that just clarifications. Um, so one thing I noticed and maybe it's um it's the way
those are written. It's only finding things that are in agreement with the master plan. But as I had mentioned, I think a couple of months ago, to me, one thing that is not in agreement is the bond drive neighborhood was singled out as a place for research businesses to
for the municipality to encourage research offices to move in, maybe small startup, etc. And so by converting an existing office into housing, this is going against one of those goals of a master plan. So I just wanted some clarification on this and because my
concern is what is to prevent other businesses along bond drive to also be converted into more housing because we need more housing. So how do you balance housing versus you know businesses or other activities that would be good for the town as well? And the other question
I add is um it is stated as a benefit that that would reduce traffic because people would work I assume in Princeton or at the shopping center um but I don't think there is any data to support it and so I'm wondering um is it sort of an
hypothesis that people will work in tone or is it supported by maybe data that you collected at the Avalon or all the developments that have been going on in this part of town because my concern is people because the rents as you said are very high many people are
not working in town and they're working more in Kensboro or in New York and so in fact it's might be adding to traffic more so than removing so I'm not you know it's not a criticism but I think it would be beneficial to have a bit more support for some of the statements in
the memo or maybe more discussion for console to to have on these topics um so that's it thank you >> okay thank you for that um for those points and questions. Uh Mr. Leco, do you want to address them please?
>> Certainly. I'm happy to do so and thank you for your comments. Um the first one, uh I'm aware of the recommendation in the land use section about the O2 zone overall. Um I know in the master plan it mentioned specifically on Bun Drive. Um
so I think if we got to the point where me you know most of those parcels were go changing to something else that wasn't uh the more diverse mix of commercial uses then we certainly would have a problem. Um right now many of those are not uh I guess they would fall
under office more so medical office. Um but uh we're not talking about changing you know across the board. the O2. I think that will stay more specifically with that master plan recommendation. Um particularly as we look to embark on a
code rewrite right now. Um this one with its location off of Fanet where there's already afford uh housing units uh going in uh it it lends itself less to those ones that are directly off of Bun Drive from staying commercial. Um and the
second one I think that's a really good uh question. Um I think a lot of times when people hear that uh we want to be less car dependent uh this is not one of those neighborhoods uh that are popping up throughout the country like uh the
culdeac in in Tempe uh that don't allow you to have a car. You know it's expected that each person in here will have one to two cars. Um but what we're talking about in the master plan is giving the option so that not every trip needs to be in a car. you know, it it if
someone did work in the Princeton medical office, I mean, that'd be ideal. Um, if they uh, you know, even just going to the shopping center on a Friday night for their beer garden instead of, you know, driving up to the Tiger's Tail or something like that, um, it would
reduce the number of car trips uh, for those 85 families or so uh, by giving them the option to to take something else. >> And I I hope I can do this responsibly. Um, I just want to say anecdotally,
as someone who is at Princeton Shopping Center a lot, um, I've seen uh, many more pedestrians walking, um, through the parking lot from the Alice um, down to Macaffies and other
destinations um, in the shopping center. So, um, you know, the Alice is not the same as, you know, those, um, apartments, town homes, etc. up up all the way up to Hune, but there definitely is more pedestrian activity there. And
I've been really happy to see what council is doing both on TUNE and uh and planning to do on TuneU and Harrison to make those intersections and those crossings um much safer for pedestrians and bikes.
I just I I agree with you that that's just a really important thing to do. So we have Nat Bodghimer and then David Cohen and then Owen O'Donnell. Nat. >> Uh, thank you, Madam Chair. Uh, so Mr. Po, I just wanted to just mention if if
you were to do a a Google search on the terms mixed use trip generation, uh, this would point you to a number of links to research that document um, the relationship between land use
diversity and density and and design elements and the reduction in trip generation over vehicle trip generation. and increases in pedestrian and bicycle and transit trip making. Um, you know, I think that you're absolutely right that uh, you know, there there's no way that
you can say it's not true that there's no way. There are documented examples of places that have grown in in intensity and density over time without increases in auto traffic. The the the
poster child for that is the Rosland Boston Carter in the Washington DC region which transformed over a 20 25 year period from single family suburban to dense you know denser mixeduse uh
apartments and retail without increasing uh vehicle traffic along the the the the main thoroughares there. Um but it's always also increased travel relative to some other alternative and
the assumption is basically this demand is exists and people are going to demand housing somewhere and if the alternative is in a location where there is no uh there are no alternatives to automobile
trip making then it is less travel relative to a reasonable alternative uh that you can consider. Um it is well documented that the amount of travel from something that you know
from projects in diverse areas do result in you know less traffic relative to baseline. Um, and I'll just I just offer that the more people there are who are interested in walking and biking because
of the area creates more expectations on the part of drivers that there will be pedestrians and cyclists in the area. And that also has a documented literature of uh increased automobile safety because cars drive more safely
when there's an expectation of surprising things happen happening when they expect it to be a completely clean uh auto only environment. They drive without any expectation of pedestrians and with predictable safety impact. So,
sorry for that uh mini planning school uh response, but I saw from your LinkedIn that you have a scientific background and so I thought I would >> share some. >> Thanks. Uh thanks Nat. Um David.
>> Yeah. So, um, in addition to to what Nat was saying and I was going to say something similar that, you know, realize that we do have an obligation to create a certain amount of housing under the
um, Mount Laurel framework. And so the question is not are we adding any car trips, but whether we're letting add adding fewer car trips than would happen if we were planning less
carefully and and less um with a smart growth uh attitude. So, I I just wanted to it's sort of another way of saying what Nat was saying, but the other thing I want to say is I think you're absolutely right that we should be
collecting data. Um, you know, we are building multif family housing uh really for the first time ever almost in Princeton. So, I wouldn't expect us to have a lot of data, but that doesn't mean that we can't start collecting
data. And you know, we had traffic reports for the Thanet uh developments and you know, so we had predictions from traffic engineers. It told us what we should expect. Now we can count and see
were they correct in their predictions and and that would be super useful information for us to have. >> Great. That's great to hear. Thanks, David. Owen. >> Yeah, just another anecdotal. Uh I drive uh I live close to uh Turune and drive
it quite often and I see people crossing over from Fannet to the shopping center every day when I'm there with their bags empty on the way over and the bags full on the way back and bicyclists are often pulling into Thanam. It's always so
gratifying to see uh the bicyclists especially going in. But I noticed today that they're putting up lighted crosswalks >> on Tune. Uh so you know that that would be another traffic calming measure >> um
for the you know for uh to increase pedestrian safety. >> Yep. Good. I had had not seen that. That's great. Um thanks again Mr. Paulo. Uh any other members of the public who wish to speak?
I'm seeing no hands up right now. Uh uh so going once, going twice. Okay, I will close the public comment um portion of this proceeding and invite uh
final comments or questions from board members or staff. or if if there are no further questions or comments, um would someone like to move that we find this ordinance um
>> substant >> substantially consistent with the master plan >> and I would I would add to that and that the board recommends uh adoption. >> Okay, great. That that all right with you, Nat? >> Sure.
>> Okay. Um moved by Net Bodheimer. Um is there a second? Thank you, Freddy Pearlmutter. Appreciate that. Um uh Justin, would you call the role, please? >> Yes, Madam Chair. Uh Mr. Bodingham?
>> Yes. >> Mr. Cohen? >> Yes. >> Mr. McGawan? >> Yes. >> Miss Na? >> Yes. >> Mr. O'Donnell? >> Yes. >> Miss Pearlmutter? >> Yes. >> Mr. Taylor. >> Yes.
>> Miss Wilson Anderson. >> Yes. >> And Chair Wilson. >> Yes. >> Motion carries. >> Okay. Well, um, thank you everybody. I would just note again that the hearing before council will happen September
8th. Um, and um, per Justin's note or excuse me, his announcement earlier, we'll probably get a notice that the September 18 meeting is cancelled, although that's
not official official as of this very moment, maybe. Um, but we will uh have and have scheduled a special meeting for um uh I see that kindergartener, Miss Wilson Anderson,
a special meeting on the 25th to um hear what the school board has to say. Mr. Leco. >> Uh yes, Madam Chair. I forgot to mention this in my announcements, but I also I was reminded by one of our attendees who just joined uh from Sustainable Princeton. Um, now with the night off on
the 18th, if you're interested, uh, Sustainable Princeton is hosting a talk at the Princeton Public Library with, I believe his name is Henry Greybar, Grabbar. Uh, he wrote a book called Pave Paradise. Um, and it is a very good book um, about some of the things we're
talking about tonight. Um, so if you're interested, that's at the library. I believe there's probably a live stream. Um, and the topic is one that's very relevant to your work as planning board members. >> Terrific. Thanks. Something to do on that Thursday night. Gosh, I I don't
know what else I would have how I would have spent my evening except watching baseball. >> Um, all right. Well, um, there being no further business, Mr. Cohen, >> is there a second? I'm just gonna do it
like I >> Okay, I don't mean to jump in your on your toes. Um, Miss Na, all in favor, please say I. >> I. >> Well, it's good to see everyone again. Um, this was a a gentle re-entry
into planning board business. Uh, we will see you next time. Thanks again. Okay. Good night. Good night. Good night. >> Have a good night.