buy do you want to move people over now or um let me see who's oh you know actually let me go ahead and do the opening statement and then you can move everybody over um this is a regular meeting of the Princeton Zoning Board of adjustment being held electronically via zoom on January 24 2024 at 7:30 p.m. pursuing to section 13 of the open public meetings act adequate notice of the time and place of this meeting has been given by prominently posting the sunshine notice of the Princeton Zoning Board of adjustment such notice has been placed on the official bulletin board at the Princeton Municipal complex and by transmitting a copy of the notice to the Princeton packet town topics the times The Trentonian and by filing a copy with the the clerk of Princeton on January 18 2024 and has been posted to the municipal website pursuing to the extension of the ongoing state of emergency by executive order 292 in accordance with the emergency remote public meeting protocol for local public bodies to conduct a public meeting without physical attendance by members of the public notice that during this extension of state of emergency all regular and special meetings of the Princeton zoning Board of adjustment will be held electronically via Zoom was transmitted to the Princeton packet town topics and the times and was filed with the clerk of Princeton on the 24th day of April 20120 such notices have been placed on the official bulletin board at the Princeton Municipal complex and on the Princeton website and are to be maintained throughout the year by transmitting a copy of same to the Princeton packet town topics the times Trentonian Comcast media and by filing a copy thereof with the clerk of Princeton notices have also been placed on all window doors of the municipal complex um Claudia would you call the role please yes ma'am um Miss Chen here miss Coulson here Mr davich here Mr Floy Mrs Shriver yes Mr tenom here Mr Cohen here Mr SE here Miss Donna thank you all righty since tonight uh our first matter of business is reorganization of the board I going to open uh the floor for nominations for chairperson of the board this year do we have a nomination I would like to nominate Steve Cohen I think he's done a a good reliable informed job and um and I think that's that's the kind of leadership we we need right now thank you do we have a second yep second all right he's done a better than good job I think he's done an excellent job thank you here here uh do we have a motion to close nominations so moved all righty and second second thank you um floody could you um call the role please miss Chen yes Miss Coulson yes Mr David yes Mrs Shriver yes Mr Tenon yes Mr Stein yes Mr Cohen I'll vote for myself yes and Steve I'm now G to turn over control of the meeting to you thank you and thank you board for uh reupping me for another year I really appreciate it okay uh now we need a nomination for vice chair i' like to nominate the other Stephen I think he is done also an excellent job um filling in for you when he's needed to and uh he's been an able-bodied and uh humorous addition to our board always thank you James you're very welcome I I'll second that any close nominations yes do you have a motion to close nominations second okay Miss y yes Miss Coulson yes Mr davage yes Mrs Shriver yes Mr Tena yes Mr Stein yes chairman Cohen yes thank you you're welcome okay um now we uh the appoint oint of our attorney um Karen Casey who has done an excellent job all along what do we uh do we do this by there's no nomination how do we do this just bring it up to a vote or what well Steve why don't we do this why don't we try and combine the roll call vote for both me and Claudia and you could just someone can make a motion to appoint me and also to appoint Claudia as secretary if we have a second then we can do a roll call vote on on both okay so do we have do we have an appointment do we have um well I guess it's what we're we're basically saying that um we' like to reappoint Karen Karen Claudia as our uh as our uh secretary um okay so we have now we have Karen uh and cloria cavalos and um do we will'll bring it up to a a vote so do we um there's nothing to close I guess we just ask for a uh a roll call uh yes okay for all those in favor I guess uh Claud would you like to call a all are we doing a motion and then a we had a motion do we have a second I'll second okay and then now Claud if you'll take a roll call vote that's what the board will be voting on The Motions to reappoint on me and you miss chin yes Miss Coulson yes Mr davage yes Mr Shriver yes Mr Tenon yes Mr Stein yes chairman Cohen yes thank you okay well we're reorganized for the year and let's move on now uh this evening um we have five resolutions uh all the resolutions were in your packet and so the first one is case z22 d236 140 Hunt Drive block 6501 Lot 12 in the R1 zone so again the the resolutions are in your packet um if everybody has had the opportunity Unity to review them if there are any questions please bring them up if not questions or Corrections if not if someone would like to make a motion so moved I had one question there it's on the the title resolution says hund drive but it's Hunt Drive it says it says hunt drive on the uh is that is that hunt drive or no it's it is it is it is hunt it says hunt on the resolution but I yeah and the actually the agenda says hunt as well yeah so it's fun but yeah I guess just the the title of the of the attachment is hund so no it should be hun yeah it should be a problem okay okay okay so we have a motion and do we have a second I'll second it thank you Claudia can you call the rooll please you miss ten yeah and I was just staring at my screen there in um item nine there there is a typo B associate it's spelled once with an e and once with an E I just noticed that okay we finished roll call or no we didn't finish no no we have to continue we have we just started Karen Caren Claudia are we are we done with the revisions yes I believe that that's it yes yeah okay Miss Chen yes Miss Coulson yes Mr davage yes Mrs Shriver yes jerman Cohen yes thank you did you call George I missed that he he was ABS not there oh I'm sorry okay all right okay our second resolution is case number z23 d411 23 running Cedar Road Block 341 lot and 20 in the R1 Zone once again the resol resolutions are in your packet uh if there are no Corrections or questions if someone would like to make a motion yes it okay I'm sorry who was that Jim de second okay Floria can you call the role please one second I have on the agenda 41 for the esre number on the resolution this is 413 all right well we uh then check go by yeah we'll go by what you have um on the file I I'm checking out it say 411 411 okay I'll make that correction y okay Miss Chen yes Miss Coulson yes Mr davage yes Mrs Shor yes chairman Cohen yes thank you you're welcome okay uh next resolution is 246 Valley Road oh excuse me case z22 D 224 246 Valley Road Block 73 7203 Lot 8 in the r VI Zone and again the resolutions in your packet questions comments or motions please I have a question I could have sworn I voted against this motion let's see hold on looking I could be wrong but I think I did I wouldn't be surprised I this one you voted no my notes say Steve voted no okay then my notes are not correct okay we will change that right now okay the applicant just raise her hand the applicant for 246 Valley okay well can you see me no can yeah uh so why uh so let me check why she here they do okay can you see me can you see me now yes yes I'm sorry last time my daughter represented me I'm in China I can't hear I can't hear anything but you guys cannot hear what I talk this time I want to talk to you someone against my purpose I take a picture today or yesterday from my road from draway on the Valley Road the whole section is said block no parking at any time for my one side Valley room from the um y Street on my lot is a single driveway it's a double yellow line it's a one l i canot parking car any place so okay excuse me I'm sorry to interrupt you but I think I think if you like to discuss this we're we're here to memorialize the approval if you want to discuss this further I think you need to do that with our zoning officer to start with we can defer the memorialization we can Karen is that correct we can put it on hold but Steve why would we do that all this it seems like it's memorializing what the board's already decided so something the eror happen because you said the only game is uh pres I don't understand Say the 25 um 10 foot parking lot so only give me the 10 foot parking for my single family house I don't understand P R against me only the 10 foot and then everyone give the 14 even the 14 I'm not enough as Mr against me 14 you only ask me give the 10 foot parking lots for my dryway I want to show you the picture I want to show you the situation well if we're going to wait excuse me excuse me if if Karen's right we're try we're going to memorialize what is already been approved if now Karen let me ask this can the applicant come back in and ask for a new modific or modification because we can't modify anything right now no you can't and and I mean the driveway width that you voted to allow was 14 feet at the property line not 10 so so the 14 are still a picture I show you my drawing it's done Mrs Fang it's it's done the board approved this at the last meeting the 14 is from a where we can't we can't change it now it's done already we're going to memorialize we're going to approve create a memorialization of the approval we granted the last time if you would like to come back and modify it you have to talk to our zoning officer okay yeah no problem I will okay good all right thank you so thank you okay if uh if everybody has reviewed the resolution and there are no questions or comments can we have a motion I'll move to approve it I'll second that Jim you're you're invisible right now yeah know I don't know happen hang on get my camera back on oh hang on Miss Chen yes Miss pson yes Mr davage yes chairman Cohen yes thank you okay all right Jim do you want us to wait no just I'll um I see myself on my screen but for some reason not coming to the it's not getting to you so I'll I'll work it out if that's okay okay all right our next application is case number z23 d406 um it is 601 um excuse me it is 601 Ying street block 5501 lock four in the r in the O2 T-Zone uh the resolution in your packet again questions comments or motion so moved thank you second I'll second thank you Jen okay cloria please call the roll Miss Chen yes Miss Coulson yes Mr davage yes Mrs Shriver yes chairman Cohen yes thank you okay our last resolution case z23 d418 210 Lyon lane block 7302 lot 18 in the R8 Zone again the resolution is in your packet questions comments or resolution or motion sorry I'll vote to approve I don't see thank you second please second thank you Floria Miss Chen yes Miss Coulson yes Mr davage yes Mrs Shriver yes chairman Cohen yes thank you okay that concludes our resolutions we have two applications this evening the first one is case z23 d405 110 Lee Avenue block 13.01 lot six in the r War Zone in the Witherspoon Jackson historic district um is the applicant here yes I me see a hand okay um Derek Mr Burger can you uh summarize your memo please yes sir Derek before you begin I'll just indicate that the noticing is in order and the board has jurisdiction um Jim I think you indicated you were going to recuse yourself yes please all righty so if you uh probably best just go off screen now so that you're res recused and Derek I'll swear you in for the evening do you swear or affirm your testimony this evening will be truthful yes I do thank you thank you good evening um the applicants Wendy and Paul colano are seeking a C1 variance and historic preservation plan approval uh to con construct a deck in exception to the required setbacks property's located in the R4 Zone in the uh former Princeton burough and the subject Lots non-complying the required lot area 6,000 square fet the existing is 2,150 and uh likewise with the lot width requirements 60 feet and the existing lot is 212 ft in width um the house itself is non- compliant with the 4.5 to1 uh required height to setback uh it's non-complying in the smaller side yard setback requirement of eight the subject is 1.95 and the um larger side yard setback requirement 12 whereas a subject's 3.13 ft and the combined side yard requirements 20 ft and the uh existing is 5.08 feet the property is in the Witherspoon Jackson historic district and uh Elizabeth Kim and the HBC have prepared a memo and I'm sure she will address that after I'm done with this there are applicants proposing a roughly 8 by 11 square foot deck in the uh rear of the house and it encroaches into the side yard setbacks um that approaches into the smaller sidey yard setback uh the requirement is 8 ft and the proposed setback is four and the larger setback requirements 12 the proposed is six and the combined side yard setback is 20 feet and the proposed is 10 feet so um this is a uh hardship variance um they're also proposing parking area but the parking area uh complies with the zoning um there's an existing parking driveway between the the two properties I don't um that was pretty much to the benefit of 112 Lee Avenue and uh the colos have worked out an agreement with uh the neighbor for an easement and um the parking space complies with the setbacks and you're allowed to have shared parking drives in the former uh burrow and Township so um if you have any questions be glad to address address them if not uh Elizabeth is here and she can right first board members any questions of Mr Bridger okay uh Elizabeth can you summarize your memoral please Elizabeth I'll just swear you in do you swear or affirm your testimony this evening will be truthful I do thank you um thank you Mr chairman um as mentioned this property fall in the withers and Jackson s district is classified as type two which um has HPC preview from the from anything visible from the public right away so this application was reviewed administratively with the HBC chair um and we found that there was no objection to the post rear deck because it will be minimally if at all visible from that right of way um we do want to mention that that HPC appreciates that the applicant is willing to improve the share driveway and addition you know for their neighbors well as their own property and um um that the the extension of the driveway um to the parking area will be tire Lane so that will also be minimally visible so um all in all HBC support this application thank you you're welcome thank you very much okay um I guess we'd like to hear from the applicant at this point yes you have to be sworn in oh we gotta be swor in all righty um Mr Mrs colano if you would uh raise your right hand you swear or affirm your testimony this evening will be truthful yes thank you thank you share my screen with you so you can see um can see just put something together for you um just want can you see we can see can see the written document on okay so I'll just share with you a little bit where the house is some current photos of the house the land survey the site plan as it exists now and then the proposed work um Kim was going to be here who's our neighbor from next door but unfortunately her sister-in-law passed away last week so she couldn't come but we do have a letter of approval which have already put in the packet um she's happy for this to will be happening so Lee Avenue 110 Lee Avenue it's up near 206 about a dozen houses in um the this is the the house um the actual block is 21 1/2t wide by 100t deep and the house itself is about just over 1100 square feet of living space so teeny tiny but super cute um that is a view of it from the front and you can see the shared driveway here with with Kim and this is from the backyard looking at the back of the house currently there's just a few steps down um and then shed driveway here the driveway is a little bit rough at the moment so we want to to do some work on that and after talking with Elizabeth we're just going to replace the black top up to the to the back here and then put some pavers in but this is the survey of the property as it stands right now um there's a little porch on the front you can see it's super tight um the tiny little back stoop and a few steps down now Kim and Gary next door have a deck on the back of theirs so we're sort of just looking to do the similar thing um we were looking at impervious covering which is on the existing space a, 8 square feet The Proposal which I'll show you next increases it just to over 12200 which I understand makes it's not a problem for drainage which we thought to start with but that's that's fine um so this is this is a what we're proposing to do this is our section of the driveway um obviously going to do both sides of the driveway and then we're going to put as Elizabeth mentioned little tire tracks in both sides just to make it look nice and clean and even um this is the deck that we want to put off of the back the setback here um the smaller side is as um Derek said is supposed to be eight with this will be a 4 foot setback and on the largest side a six foot if we if we actually um could comply the deck would be a foot wide so that that wasn't going to work so this is um what we're going to do here with some steps down and into the garden um the deck the back of the deck we're going to use the TX wood color it's called okra Coke we're going to do black railings um a little bit like this just to match the front of the house and then white razors just um to to into the garden into the garden and then I think in your packet you've got letter from Adelaide Adelaide is our our neighbor she owns both 112 and 112 and a half she's lived there for six over 60 years now um and Kim her daughter is looking after her she's she's well into her 90s now so Kim's looking after her and I've been doing all the work with Kim we've been you know talking about the driveway and picking out things so um that's our presentation okay thank you all right board members do you have any questions of the applicant okay um no question we'll we'll mark this as your exhibit A1 that way we'll have it in the record um normally the board doesn't accept letters from Neighbors but I understand you included it and we have your testimony that your neighbors indicated you know they're they're happy with your project yes I have a question can you explain how you share the driveway yeah the the let me show you again hang on we don't share it we do share it so we we so this space I'll show you the survey the survey here this is the property line that goes up you're not sharing that you're not Shing that oh sorry I'm pointing at it thinking it shared um so this is our house this is um Adelaide's house and this is the driveway between the two and the property lines slightly over our side a little bit but right up the middle basically and it appears from the photo it's paved almost from house to house yes right now it is um it's got It's in rough shape asphalt black top yeah and and do you have a permanent agreement with them a written agreement yes we do we have a an easement that we got um put together and it's on the Deeds of the house now okay thank you and you said you're going to um it's this asphalt that we see you're going to just put a coat on it that will smooth it out no we're going to replace it cuz it's in pretty bad shape so we're going to replace the asphalt up to the back of the houses and then let me show you here and then at about from this point where the deck is we'll then just put pavers into the backyard so we'd haven't got asphalt into the garden because that's not so pretty perious pavers yes yeah great that's all been in in the calculated in the impervious coverage though thank you thank you okay um Eve Steve do you have any other questions no board members any additional questions okay so what we do now is uh we allow you to make a closing statement and then we open the hearing up to to the public to get comments so before we do that do you want to say anything else um you haven't heard from me my husband's desperate to say something someone in my family knows what they're doing so I don't I don't have that genan so that's that's why Wendy ran the show okay did a good job that's it okay so um at this point we'll open the hearing up to the public if there's anyone uh out there who uh would like to speak on behalf of this application either for or against or has any questions indicate that by uh on the bottom of your screen should be a raised hands button please click on that Claudia has anybody indicated that they want to speak there are no hands okay well we'll give it a couple of seconds here okay I'm going to close the public portion of the hearing and I will again allow the applicant to say anything they would like and then we'll go into executive session where we'll discuss it amongst ourselves and vote on it so again once again if you'd like to say something before we do that um no I don't think so we're just trying to give this little house a little bit more space and the the this just the deck will sort of enable us to do that and then clean up the garden appropriately um and no I think that's that's it okay very good okay may I ask something for clarification because I please before what you um you said when I I said are they prvious papers and you said that is could you just it's it's increasing what's there was grass there or ground and now it's going to have those fingers that you which W there before no go ahead go on um the impervious coverage for what it was before which is this section this is 1,08 square fet adding the parking lanes and the deck takes it to um 1224 so it's an extra 216 square foot of impervious sorry it's not perious it's impervious right because it's little um pavers so though I think we we know that those are they're called impervious but they don't count as they're called pervious but they're not counted that way is that right Mr brid correct yes ma'am and it's still within the what's allowed is yeah good question all to add 400 square feet of net new so they're under that they're I think two and a quarter something like that 26 yeah 216 exuse okay great good question thank you okay thanks Eve all right so at this point uh we will go into executive session and um vote board members are there any questions or comments on this application I move we approve the application we have a second I'll second it thank you I just want to add that I think it's a a nice proposal on a a very neat and tidy house um okay so we have a we have a motion to approve we have a second um is there any again no questions on the motion board members okay Claudia can you please call the rooll Miss Chen yes Miss Coulson yes Mr Shriver yes Mr tenom yes Mr Stein yes chairman Cohen yes thank you thank you very much Elizabeth thank you okay uh we have our last application of the evening thank you so much you're welcome leave you to it thank house good luck job guys okay our next application is z21 099 um 871 Mount Lucas road block 101 lot four in the o1 zone Karen is all the paperwork in order it is you remember that the board took jurisdiction of this applic previously and did hear a testimony from the applicant and their planner then the application was carried to allow the applicants to provide some additional information to the zoning officer about all the variances that would be needed for the project so I think Derek that's where we are at this point yes ma'am thank you okay yep okay let me just I'm just going to ask before we hear from the applicant um do we have any board members tonight who were not here for the uh initial hearing on this application and maybe Claudia can address that when um let just double check when we heard this application last we heard it was it November 8th I got 10:25 it was in the agenda on 10:25 10 25 okay and and it was uh Harlin was not there and neither was George okay so um unless you've had an opportunity to listen to that tape um you will not be able to vote tonight on the application Marlon uh Have you listened to the tape I have not okay uh George Have you listened to the tape oh I recuse okay all right so if if you don't mind Derek could you just summarize for the board again the variances that are required for this yeah I'd be glad to uh chairman um I just want to mention that just for the applicants knowledge it you're aware it's a d variance you need five out of seven votes so I think there's members that can vote so you need to get all five tonight I just mentioned that to you um so for your information you could if you don't feel comfortable proceeding with five you can we can take jurisdiction and hear you in February at the 28th uh meeting but um if you're and actually I I do need to clarify I believe the applicant did Reen notice for tonight and that noticing is in order so I just want to correct that okay okay if you want to think about it I'll go ahead and talk about you know where we are on the application review my memo and um then you can jump back in if you want um I don't know I didn't really think about this prior is is sort of news to us um seems like a disadvantage you know based on the numbers but I don't know I don't have experience with the situation I don't know if it makes sense to delay or move forward I conf with our fil but I don't know Karen can you explain the implications of a of a negative vote I can Mr Mrs Hogan since uh one of the variances you need is a kind that needs five votes not the majority of who's present but we actually have to have five votes in your favor so if one board member voted no then your application would be denied because we don't have and we only have um five members tonight who can vote so the alternative for you is to carry it uh to the next meeting um we and at that point we will um make sure that uh any members who were not able to listen they they will do that so that we have and we will and if for some reason we have illness or somebody can't attend um we'll be able to review that with you in advance before the meeting because the secretary does take a you know she asks all the member they going attend now we can't know for sure until the meeting convenes last minute things happen so that if you were to carry it tonight to the next agenda um you would know in advance um for that meeting do we expect and ideally you would want seven which is the full board that's what you want so seven is the maximum the normal full board correct correct that's that's the full membership of the board um so the risk you run tonight is that if you got if you did not get the five votes if everyone here tonight doesn't vote in favor then your application's denied and that's it so when it in that scenario if the application is denied is there an opportunity to appeal to resubmit or well no because you can't come back and present the same thing to the board if you said oh well you know what we have a revised applic you know we're doing something else now we are changing our plan but you can't come back to them with the same thing because they've already heard it and they voted on it okay uh now now also I I can add that the two members that didn't listen to the tape or the of the last hearing can in fact do that and be El ABS next time absolutely and also we have let's just see who's out tonight Michael will be back Donna won't um but Michael will so um nor normally the board does try to have seven MERS MERS at every meeting so um we didn't find out till the end of last was like Friday last week so is there some certainty that we could have that all members will listen to the testimony and participate on the vote not just be you know there at the meeting but actually you know listen to the testimony and be and participate I I will listen to the I will listen to the tape parl yes I will absolutely listen to the tape and then the other applicant uh who was not here tonight was at the previous meeting Michael Floyd too so um yeah and um I I already know that I cannot attend the February meeting all right but but that's okay because we'll assume Michael he usually attends all meetings so we'll assume he will be at the next meeting and the date what is the date of the February meeting 28 28 I'll be out of town okay right so then that means we're down two that means we would have Steve back in the same suit the next time Steve um Jim Michael one two three four five harlon do you think you're able to attend on February 28th yes okay so I'm not sure if we would have seven but we would have six then who would be able to so we'd have one two three four five six yeah we would have six we would have Steve shriber Steve Cohen Eve Coulson George Stein harling Tenon bomb no George said he can't be there oh I'm sorry yeah I'm sorry you're right excuse me y just a quick question if I may um does the applicant have the opportunity to withdraw the application for a hearing in another date at any time during the presentation of their application so if they start to uh go into the details of their application um and then decide that they want to put it off to another time are they allowed to do that yes well I I guess what we're trying to avoid is um for example Michael Floyd isn't here tonight so if there's more testimony tonight but then the applicant says I want to carry it again then Michael will need to listen to tonight's tape so it's I'm just wondering if hypothetically applicant might be able to get a read or a feel for what the um zoning board um maybe thinking also Michael would have to wouldn't oh no I guess he wouldn't have to watch if we didn't get started today if we don't have any testimony tonight I I don't think he I mean right I'm sure he'd be willing to but so far all we've done is talk about how many members can attend the meeting so that's not something Michael would need to listen to he would need to listen if the applicant decides to present testimony tonight so that's that is an option you can explain I think tonight the purpose of you coming back was just to clarify the variance all the variances that you needed um can I add something Karen yeah I would think that if the applicant starts his presentation and feels that during the presentation there's some additional information based on the discussion that he feels he might want to supply he can ask for a continuance is that correct correct I mean I'm I'm just trying to give them the opportunity to to uh to maybe make a better decision or it's it's your call I mean the applicant it's it's your call what you'd like to do um you know we can't predict we're very we're confident that our request is very reasonable but it's a very important decision because we need to do this renovation so that my mother has a place to live so we really want our best chances of getting approved this does make me a little bit uncomfortable we have delayed it since October and now the thought of now delaying it not maybe not even February but March does give us some apprehension but at the same time I I don't want to make a poor decision perhaps today is not the best day so well you only have the as as Karen did mention you only have the opportunity you don't have the opportunity for any negative votes in this so I mean in February you could have one negative vote if what we we're anticipating six members who would be ready qualified to vote so if one person voted no you'd still have your five yes votes or as Mr as chairman Cohen pointed out if you want to provide some testimony tonight and and listen to feedback if you know if what you're hearing is positive from everyone as as the chairman pointed out can't guarantee but uh if what you're hearing is positive then I guess you could decide do you want to uh go ahead tonight and let the board vote okay we can we can I guess proceed on that basis so the idea is to provide testimony tonight and in general gets fback feedback yeah and and then move forward with a vote or not correct yeah we really can't tell you we really can't tell you whether we're gonna vote Yes or no you'd have to just listen to the to the comments okay and um and make your decision that way okay okay that seems reasonable all right why don't we both we'll just swear you in now Mr Mrs kogan do you swear affirm um your testimony this evening will be truthful yes yes thank you okay uh Mr Burger can you summarize your memo please yes sir um Robert and Ellen kogan are the owner and applicant of 871 Mount Lucas Drive uh you're seeking a D2 use variance um which is the expansion of a existing non-conforming use the single family use is not permitted in this Zone as though you drive down the street all the uh houses in this Zone along the street are single family homes um they're seeking a hard one excuse me a hardship C1 variance associated with the setback variances um just a background the case was initially heard on November 7th 2023 the planner presented testimony for uh all the use uh criteria to uh support the use variants we just started to get into the uh setback variances and it was noted that the plan had been slightly tweaked from the plan that was submitted in our package so I'm just going to uh go over the revised uh you you there were really minor changes the deck was a little bigger the house actually was some minor changes to that it was nothing material from the application it just wasn't the application that was deemed complete so um I'm going to go over the the variances that are requested with this submission so for the princip to clarify this was presented at the October 25th hearing I think you said November 17th I'm sorry excuse me October 25th okay thank you yes right uh so the principal dwelling um there's a right side setback requirement of 60 feet and you as you recall this is this zone is called The o1 Zone it's office research and it envisions office building so that's why you have a 60 foot setback you wouldn't have a 60 foot setback on a lot of this size in a residential Zone um it just it doesn't happen um they're not that big they're typically in most residential zones in the uh Princeton former Princeton Township their side and rear yard setbacks are usually 15 feet so the right side setback requirement 16 or 60 feet the proposed is 17 1/2 ft and that's to the first and second floor addition um there's a deck that's proposed behind the house again the setback 60 ft required 17 is proposed for the deck um there's a new front porch 60 foot setback 19 is proposed um there's a 60-foot setback for the uh the new little addition between what was a detached garage but is now going to become part of the principal dwelling will become the Adu where uh uh Ellen's mom I believe will will reside um and then the same with the left side there's a 60 foot requirement and it's 54 feet to that addition between the proposed Adu in the principal dwelling and the Adu itself is subject to the same 60 foot setback um the proposed setback for the rear deck is 32 feet prop poos setback um for the rear excuse me the rear addition is 32 feet the rear deck is 37 ft and requirement 60 and there's two parking setbacks um the two spaces in front of the garage require a 60ft setback and there at 32 feet and then there's a side setback uh parking uh spaces off the driveway which is setb at 10 feet and the requirement is is 60 feet and they are requesting consideration under the C1 um so if you have any questions I'd be be glad to address them so the the front yard setback is 32 feet what is the front the side yard setback what's the front yard setback uh I'd have to check but that wasn't in the setback the the parking space the question I have and I can I can wait till we start and ask the question um or I can ask it now if if the reason I'm asking about the front yard setback is if they eliminate the garage which they're going to do they're going to be parking in front of the garage and will will they be parking in the front yard no we have a very long driveway and there's even like an additional section off the driveway there are lots of parking spots no what I'm getting to is our ordinance doesn't allow parking within the front yard setback now it excuse me [Music] uh where the parking would remain the existing parking would remain the same which uh would suffice you know for the additional dwelling yeah no I understand that and that's fine yeah okay sorry go ahead the parking setback is 60 feet in both parking from the front yard and both parking spaces are outside of the 60 foot um so just for a comparison in a typical residential Zone you're allowed the front yard setback is 25t um it's not the front yard so so you can park in the front yard of of some you know it would appear you're parking in the front yard the setback is much less because again this contemplates large commercial buildings right so they wouldn't need they wouldn't need a variance to park if they eliminated the garage the parking would still be compliant yes sir okay that's all I wanted to know that's fine dere Derek you keep referring to Zoning for commercial but their whole that whole block are houses right yeah correct this is an anomally in the zone um as their planner pointed out in his testimony um it's it's the zoning that's really on bun Drive where you have uh large buildings um you know research Office Buildings and and that's what the zone is for um you know it's it's something probably that you know when we get around to correcting mismatch zones in town that we'll take a look at this and apply a zone that more you know readily meets what's on the ground like a a Halfacre Zone like an R5 zone or or an R six Zone um and and that's been discussed in in the uh the master plan and um and then also in harmonization of the the two codes so okay but but my point is they're not putting they're not doing this in the middle of a Industrial Park they're doing it on a a strip of houses that is correct yes sir the house or did all the houses precede the zoning um that was you know yeah they were existing lots and then there were bigger Lots on uh the bun drive and uh that was rezoned for office research I believe in the 70s okay thank you okay um any more questions of Mr Bridger all right so um the applicant you can make your presentation okay well you know everything I want to say do you want to pull up the pictures they have all that they have everything everything already you know in their package you know I I mean I I preface what I want to say is that you know we did hire like Mr Bridger noted that you know we hired a professional planner uh to speak on this you know much more eloquently than we would you know you know so he spoke to the master plan and you know the bottom line is is that you know it's a unique and exceptional situation um you know if this was his own residential he made the argument that we wouldn't even need to be here uh um so this is sort of a an odd situ you know an anomaly like Mr Bridger noted so I won't answer questions I don't know what else to say that the planner hasn't already said I don't want to summarize what he already you know getting into all the technical information you want us to talk about what we're actually renovating is that what you would like to know excuse me say that again please just describe the actual renovation of what we're trying to do you could I mean just to give the refresh the board so this house has never been renovated it's it's very old and dated and has absolutely no curb appeal so we're just trying to modernize it by putting nice fresh siding just approve the curb appeal essentially and in in the garage we just want to convert it into a living space for my mom so she has a place that feels homey and we're going to connect the two spaces with a little mud room that's essentially it and in the backyard we want to add a deck just again so it feels a little bit more homey that's the extent of it essentially we also want to we have in like a room that's on right now it's not even finished it's some kind of like mud room plant room we have no idea what it is we want to convert that to a master bathroom so the house is very small we just wanted to a little bit more comfortable and that's pretty much it in a nutshell yeah we're going to be adding some decking which is in the plan to connect everything but essentially we're repurposing the garage you know we're not making our footprint other than the decking larger than it already is yeah we're not expanding anywhere from like left to right we're staying within the existing footprint with the with the exception of the deck in the back and the backyard is is very very large there's no neighbors behind us either it it it butts up to a preserve we're not getting closer to either neighbor on the side and we have tons of property in the front and the back uh which you know is hardly being the the buffers yeah the the the mar what do you guys call them the uh it's hardly being aect changed setback setbacks rather okay Derek I have a question on an Adu what's the requirement to the entry of the Adu uh it can't have you can't have two uh front-facing doors and this adus entrance is is uh is actually inside of the the house right but they can go through the existing house to get to the Ada the Adu yes yeah Okay the reason I asked that is um you go into the to the I'll call it the little anti room you come in from the front or the rear and there's no door from there into your house and there's a door into the Adu and that's fine based on what Mr Bridger said I thought there had to be a uh I thought you couldn't go through the house to get to the Adu which would mean just there's a separate door sir there there's a door that goes into the mudro yes but not not a a separate door in the front of the house there's a separate we added a side door so you don't see the driveway there's a door in the back and there's a door in the front and there's a door that goes from in that little hallway to the Adu but there didn't appear to be a door that goes into the mud room and then into the house so that was the only yeah so there's the front door which is remaining as it and then side door yeah there's there's G to be a separate side door entrance so that my mom does not have to walk through our house to get to her to get to her little house yeah no it's it's obviously not a problem without without the door okay that was all I had board members do you are there any question questions of the applicant [Music] anyone okay um hearing no questions uh again you can summarize if you'd like to and then we'll open this up to the public for comment so before we do that do you want to say anything before we uh we do that I think I think we covered everything essentially yeah we just all right and we'll keep moving forward now so I'm going to open the meeting up to the public if there's anyone in the audience who'd like to speak you know on this application please indicate that by clicking the button at the bottom of your screen says raise your hands uh Claudia has anybody indicated they'd like to speak no hands okay all right we'll give it a couple of seconds and then we'll close the public portion but all right so hearing no one wants to speak we'll close the public portion again you have the opportunity to say something before we go into executive session and what I would suggest though if you if you are going to not move forward it might be a good time to make that decision okay we'll move forward hey Steve one one quick question um sure I'm looking at the floor the plan now um maybe I can bring it up when you this is for the kogan when you walk in the deck between the two houses into the mud room it looks like the mud room is part of the main house and there's a little hallway and the door to the Adu is to the left yes can you and and if you go to the right you're in the mudroom and then you walk into your your main house is that correct or is that a wall yeah no that's correct there's also a separate door on the left of the whole house the entire there's there's there's two doors I just wanted to to clarify because because I you know Steve is is correct you can't have two front doors to you know you can't have a door that is the entrance to the Adu and you can't have one that's an entrance to the house but you have a front door on the house and then actually the mudroom area was considered is considered part of that the main house and then you you take the door to the left to get into the Adu so I think it complies with the ordinance good yeah that was the question good question thank you sir wait but I don't I see a door off on the side between the closet and the living dining area of the Adu living there there's a door in the through the yeah there's a side door there's a that's gonna go to a little side Courtyard just where we can have te in the morning it's going to be it's it's going to be covered though it's not seen from the road but I'm not understanding your question no the when you and the uh what door are you talking about on all the way on the say the the West the Far West Side so that's that's okay that that door on the side yes yeah okay y gotta Okay Okay so we've closed the public portion uh do you again once again do you want to add anything I'm addressing the applicant do you want to add anything before we go into executive session and vote just want to restate that if this was in zoned differently um if it was like a residential Z resal we wouldn't be requesting a variance would just be a regular renovation so please take that into consideration when you vote okay thank you okay board members um we've heard the testimony and um does is there any discussion on this motion and if not if someone would like to make a motion I moveed to approve it based on um the comments from Derek relative to the zoning and and the planners planners I'll second I agree I think it's a reasonable I think it's a reasonable approach um I think it'll be a nice Improvement I mean looks nice now I mean but I think the the drawings and what looks like it's going to look like is going to be quite nice I think it's going to be nice to satisfy the needs of uh her mother uh to be able to stay there so I think it's a very reasonable request thank you I agree I agree with it's actually great to um create an Adu um without increasing the footprint yeah if you I agree it's a don't miss garage and that's really good we don't even use the garage right now so we definitely won't miss it yeah and it looks like you're making some nice nice changes inside the house as well so looks I like the layout and you've done you've done a lot with a small space it's pretty nice you thank you okay all right um so we have a motion in a second um Claudia would you like to call the roll please miss Chen yes Miss Coulson yes Mr yes Mrs Shriver yes chairman Cohen yes thank you okay move forward thank you everybody thank thank you everyone made us a little nervous but okay great glad you stuck it out I want to thank uh Mr Bridger he's been so patient with all of our questions and this is kind of you know lagged on for a while but he's been so patient and professional I want to give a big thank you yeah thank you so much he always he is and he's our Rock no I made a mistake I'm sorry I wanted I just I was concentrating on your survey and I didn't pick up that deck on the side of the house that goes into the uh sidey guard setback your te area so it wasn't called out as a variance in the application um that's okay a lot of details and uh it all it seems like it's it's going to be fine so no worries I mean you won't be able to do the side deck you'll be able to do the one in the back can um unless that's I don't think there's any other alternative Karen or what was that what do you mean I'm sorry when I was writing the report I yeah I I looked at the the footprint of the survey to get the setbacks the deck was not on the setback on the side setback um so I didn't call it out as a variance but it does need a variance um the deck Derek are you talking about the deck on the right right side because I had it no we removed it we removed it that was the Hiccup from last time you made a comment about it so we told we told our architect that we don't want it we're good I'm sorry we got rid of it based on your feedback we got rid of it I apologize for the hurry and end the meeting Steve before something else com oh yeah right okay thank you very much uh move forward that concludes our meeting for the evening thank you very much and we will be back on February 28th great great thank you good night congratulations good job thank you good night recording