planning commission to order. This is a public hearing and we are the Putnham County Planning Commission. We're the designated local planning agency for the county as prescribed in chapter 163 of the Florida statutes and we function under the authority of article
11 and 12 of the Putham County Land Development Code. Our primary responsibility is to serve as an advisory committee, advisory body, and to make recommendations to the board of county commissioners on matters related to provisions of and proposed amendments
to the Putnham County Comprehensive Plan and the Putnham County Land Development Code. The members of this board will review each application and make a recommendation to the Board of County Commissioners at their next regularly scheduled meeting. Well, it's not the next one, but at their regularly
scheduled meeting on January 13, 2025. Procedurally, we will call each case by name and number. A member of staff will then briefly explain to us the nature of each request. We will then take any comments from the applicant or their representative, followed by public
comments concerning the request. Please direct all of your comments or statements to the board and not to other members in the audience. Before speaking, we will ask each person to be recognized, come forward to the lectern and identify his or herself by name and
address. After all persons wishing to speak have been heard, we will entertain a motion from the board and the motion will be voted on by the board members and become our recommendation to the board of county commissioners. The board of county commissioners will make the
final determination in any of the cases. All applicants have the right to withdraw their request at any time during the application process. No cases have been withdrawn. If applicants choose to have their cases heard at a later date, it will have to
be readvertised in accordance with the land development code and Florida statutes. Before we go into our first case, I need to ask, has anyone on the board had any exparte communication with anyone seeking an application today?
No, >> I guess this is no up here. >> No, ma'am. >> Okay. >> Um, are there any conflicts of interest that need to be noted? >> No, ma'am. >> All right. >> No. >> At that point, we will start with
ReZ25-000012. And Michael, I think you're up. >> Thank you, Madam Chair. For the record, Michael Graves, Planning and Development Services. This is rez 250000000012. Uh K&C Properties LLC is requesting a zoning map amendment from residential 2
to commercial intensive C4 on 3.23 acres uh located at an unassigned location on the north side of Philips area road in Palaca to allow for the development of a towing facility and mechanical work facility. Uh surrounding zonings include
residential 2 with additional commercial 2, commercial uh commercial retail C2, commercial intensive C4 and commercial general C3 on the south side of Philips Road. The subject site has a future land
use designation of urban service and the parcel has approximately 190 ft of access from Philips Road. According to the National Wetlands uh index wetlands layer and the FEMA flood zone layer on the GIS reference map, the lands do not appear to contain wetlands and is
located in FEMA flood zone X, which is not a special flood hazard area. Uh should the applicant's request be approved, the applicant will then be subject to review by the development review committee before obtaining any permits for development on the property compatible with the C4 commercial
intensive zoning district. Here you can see an aerial view of the property. Uh please do note that most of the trees have been cleared away already. This is an older photo. Uh here you can see the future land use and you'll note the difference between the commercial zone uh future land use
on the south of Philips Derry Road and the urban service to the north. Here you can see the zoning where again on the north you'll see the residential 2 zoning district. On the south, you can see the uh the purple area is ind industrial light. The red is a mixture
of C2C3 and recently reszoned to C4. Uh staff recommends denial of the request to amend the zoning map from uh residential 2 to commercial intensive C4. staff finds that the proposed resoning is not consistent with the
goals, objectives, and policies of the adopted comprehensive plan and does not meet the locationational requirements of the commercial intensive C4 zoning district provided in the land development code and the comprehensive plan. Are there any questions?
>> You hear me now? uh you guys have does not meet the locationational requirements of the commercial intensive. What locational requirements would are you guys referring to? >> Uh in accordance with the Putham County comprehensive plan policy, uh intensive
commercial development needs to have direct access to uh more than one uh more than one collector or greater road. Uh Philips Derry Lo Road is of course a local road and this property does not have access to any
other roads. Uh the nearest uh intersection point is at the end of Philips Derry Road at the intersection of the two highways there. Uh furthermore, the uh commercial intensive zoning district is supposed to be uh
located in commercial nodal areas. And while the south side of Philips St Road is considered a commercial nodal area, the north side is not as it is uh seen on the future land use map. >> Do we have a zoomed out picture of that
uh zoning or the future land use map with the stuff that's to the south there? Uh >> I do not have one available here, but I can pull up the GIS map if you would allow. >> Please do. When I was looking at this, I was thinking that if in our packets if we
could have a more zoomed out map so we could see the local landmarks better would be very helpful. We shall try to do that in the future then. >> Can I see that zoning that zoning layer, please?
>> Uh, yes, sir. One moment, please. I was going to say if you could zoom in zoom in on what we just did two months ago or a couple of months ago on Philip Derry Road would be helpful. >> Yeah, that's >> sorry not used to a trackpad.
>> These questions can follow. >> Pardon me. Having a bit of technical difficulty. So here is the future land use map as originally requested. Uh you can see that along the south side here there is that uh commercial block that kind of
weaves into the city of Palaca. there the uh subject property is part of this much larger if I can get this to behave uh urban service block that fills the mo the majority of the enclave to the north of Philip Sterry Road. Uh in particular
if we go to the zoning map here and I can get this to behave again. Uh the property that's currently highlighted is of course the subject property uh where you can see it's residential and rounded by more residential in every direction other than south. The one that we recently did
the reszone for is the one that is now highlighted. Uh where we moved for it to be move uh transferred into commercial 4 due to its uh proximity to the uh industrial light adjacent to it as well as the uh fact that it is part of the
established commercial node as seen on the future land use map. And the adjacent properties to the subject property, are they they're residential? >> Uh yes, ma'am. Everything you see in yellow there is residential 2zoned. >> Is it occupied as residential?
>> Uh yes, ma'am. Several of the properties do have houses on them. If I turn on the aerial, you can see them. Uh we we have them here to the north as well as much along here. Uh even 144 on that southern bit is occupied by a single family
residents. Get right across the street is C4. >> Yes, ma'am. >> And Light Industrial. >> Yes, ma'am. >> And you're recommending denial because this is not adjacent to anything like that or >> uh we're recommending denial on the grounds that it's not part of an
existing commercial node. It does not have the direct access to collector or greater roadways and it would also by the uh committee zone definition fit spot zoning. Uh there was a case earlier this year where Alohora properties
attempted to reszone a property from residential one to residential two and were denied on the basis that doing so would be spot zoning despite there being residential two across a roadway. It was considered incompatible to cross the road with that. >> And the other thing is I think if this
is changed it goes with the property. >> So you do C4 that means a semi can go in there and park. Okay. I was just curious. Are there any other questions of staff?
>> Is the owner present would like to speak? >> Yes, ma'am. >> Okay. Please come forward and give us your name and address and um tell us what you want to do. >> Jason Brown, Phillips Road. Do you need my current address or is that okay to
use my business address? you can use your business address. >> Um, currently I'm looking to expand my business, not my body shop, just my towing business. Um, we do towing locally. We actually do heavy as well,
so there will be some ice. Um, picked the location because I drove past it probably three, four years ago and it's der been a dumping site. Didn't think much of it. Drove back by it about another two years later, still the same way. ended up contacting the number that
was on there. The guy said, "Man, we just, you know, it's it looks bad, but it's got huge potential." I couldn't get past seeing all the the trash in the dump that had been left there until I walked on it and realized this is a very big lot. This is something that I'm looking for to grow my business. We're a locally owned, family-owned business.
Have been for many years. Um, my daughter's already coming in to the business. My son's a marine. He's going to be coming back to actually provide mechanical use down the road. Um, we have looked around the spot. It's kind of crazy that you actually brought up
semis because the road is Philip Road. There's only one company on Philips Road that has access to the highway, which is the trucking company and there's a ditch line that they don't they don't mess with and that butts up to Highway 100. With my business, I had to look at a lot of different things because I am
bringing them semis. I also have Philips area road which goes from 100 and 19. And then if you just step back and look at that that the map I think it's one you're going to have to open it up. There is and I do apologize. Can I pull my phone out? >> Sure.
>> Yes ma'am. >> Don't take pictures. >> No sir. No sir. No sir. Um if you look at West Palmetto Street, it runs straight into Highway 17. I think that's the one that go straight is I actually I think that's the one that goes straight to Highway 17. Then there's another one
just behind it which is I think West Tolls Road which is all the way to Highway 17. Only true business on that road that has multiple access to whether it's Highway 17 going to Highway 19 or coming up to Highway 100 is as far as a request for commercial. Um I looked at
those things because again I walked this property multiple times. I walked it at night. I walked it on holidays just to see how my neighbors were. Come to find out the neighbors are great and that they were tired of seeing in the eyesore of dumping of of just a number of
different things that were going on. Um, as far as my future, I looked to speak with neighbors as far as to if you're looking at a tools road in front of me or Phillips Road to the right of me, I'd love to speak with my neighbor because there is one in front me that has a small I'd love to buy him out, you know,
just to be that way. Um, and then the one to the right is another big spot that I would love to to do because that is I think Miss Roberts, I hate to ask you, but last time we were here, um, key logging or key hydraulic, you had spoke to because that is industrial road. Um,
it's that's the reason why I thought, okay, as far as changing it, you know, it wouldn't be too hard of a process because there is a lot of industrial going on. You have a logging or a trucking company. You have uh key uh hydraulic there. You have another
company which is a septic company there. You have a um you have a restaurant down at the right. You have, you know, number of different things. And as far as on that commercial side, I think you said the southside, there is a church and a home. Somebody lives on that side that
is zoned or showing for commercial or however you want to say. So, you envision having a towing company? >> Yes, ma'am. >> That would be bringing vehicles back to this property. >> Yes, ma'am. >> For repair, for maintenance.
>> Um, mostly for they have been in a wreck. They will be out of the facility within 30 days. Um, we have to file paperwork. They move. They constantly coming in and out. Um, as far as future plan, yes, ma'am. I I plan for my son that's going to be coming out of the military within the next two to three
years. He's going to open a mechanic shop. Not a body shop, a mechanic shop. He doesn't he doesn't do all that. He want that's what he's in the military for. >> He wants to do engine repair. >> Yes, ma'am. And it won't be just on regular cars that I actually own like is literally right across from me. And then literally beside then which takes up a
huge spot is a trucking company. So I'm trying to base future for my kids and for my business as to see that there is growth there for what's going on. >> You don't envision this becoming what we typically call a junkyard >> which it was. Funny enough you say that
it had been one time was a mechanic shop and a junkyard. I have cleaned that out. No ma'am I do not. If you wanted to come by and see what I currently run um I do have a office and a shop or spot there at St. John's auto body that I have been there for how many years?
Well over 20. Um, very well kept. Vehicles are pulled in back. They fluctuate in and out because again we have to you have to move cars. They can't dare sit. So we crush them which goes over to John's Metals um or to A1
uh whatever they're called. But very clean. We have sixoot fence bob wire top. We put the fencing around it so that the neighbors don't have to see it. the same thing I plan to do there. Um, >> okay. Thank you. Is there anything else you'd
like to add? >> Thank y'all for letting me come up here and and try to get this done. >> Anybody else want to ask >> that north a little bit? >> Opposite way. South, I guess. I'm sorry. The other north.
Can I hold that picture for one second? >> Of course. >> So, where the pink one is bringing >> is in lavender. Yes. >> And then which are right on 100. So the the trucking company is the only one
that has the current access for commercial, you know, off off get out as far as that go. >> And Philips Dairy Road >> just so Phillips Derry Road is their primary going in and out trucking, log trucks, everything. And again, I just
looked at mine with the access to 17 twice on 17 coming out if I needed to. If we if we opened it up, um roads are right up to the property on one of them. Um there was there is still a concrete slab there from a prior whatever business was
there until it became too derelic and just fell in. Um just so you know we did take out I think several dump loads of tires that have been dumped there. I went ahead and did this to whether regards I get this or not I I wanted to clean it. I bought the property to to
prove a point that we can clean up an area that nobody wanted. They desired it. Any other questions of the applicant? Thank you very much. Stay around. We may bring you back up. Uh Mr. Youngs, I see you are Mr. Young, I see you are the
agent for the owner. Would you like to speak? >> Okay. Thank you. Um at this point, I'll call for any public comments. I have green cards coming my way.
Thank you. Appreciate that. Ashley, uh, Matthew Gillard, please come forward. State your name and address for the record. My name is Matthew G. I'm at 507 West Palmet Street. And my one of my concerns
today is um the road coming off Palm Meadows, West Palm Meadow. It's It's actually got a opening there like a easement but it's not easement. It's just where the bushes got cut down at and it's a lot of older residents in this area and I don't definitely would not like like a lot of traffic going
through there because it's all residential through there. The other side of the of the Philips Day road I own the other mobile I own two houses over actually. I don't want to sell it at this time. Now, as far as the 18 wheelers, they do got one way down the
road, but like in our area, there's no battery. And I want to know also, is there any kind of noise ordinance u as far as loud noise late at night coming in cars coming in and out? Well, there would be a required buffer
around the property, probably a vegetative buffer to buffer the sound, and that would be required if it was this were to go through u on all sides of the property would be required to have something as a sound barrier
>> to help contain sound. Um, and that's one of the requirements we have in the code. >> So, but you have property on Philip Derry Road as well, you said. >> Yes. on the north side. >> On both sides. Yes. Okay.
>> On the middle side and the Philadelphia road side. >> Okay. We appreciate it. Anything else you'd like to share? >> I said thank you. >> Thank you. Um, anyone else? Well, I do have other people. I have Cynthia Callaway.
Please give us your >> My name is Cynthia Callaway and I buy at 509 West Parameta Street. I am the last house on West Pame Street. My concerns is our taxes go up. I am a 74 year old
heart patient and I want to know about that Pamea Street. That's a dead end right there. Will that street be open up to traffic? That's my concerns today. >> Okay, we thank you. >> You're welcome.
And I have Edward Wright. >> Good afternoon everybody. My name is Ed Wright. I'm at 510 West Street. >> Could you pull the mic up a little bit? Pull the mic up so you can you can hear. >> Yeah, we can hear you now. >> Too tall. >> Yeah. Um I'm at 510 West P me Street,
Palaka, Florida, and I'm right next to to the to the property that's being cleaned off and that was my question. Is it going to raise the taxes? And another question is like that that dead end on P metal, would that be access
again? how to open up as access. >> Okay. I'm not sure we can answer that question. Can we, Michael? >> Taxes won't be affected. >> Taxes won't be >> taxes won't be affected. We know that. Don't believe they will be. No. >> Value of your home.
>> Well, his you guys shouldn't see any kind of tax increase. >> He's going to have to answer whether or not that's going to be accessible from Palmetto Street. >> Well, I think I think one of the questions that's probably going to come up from staff or at least the things they've addressed is West Palmetto is
probably not an arterial collector or major or minor. It's going to be a neighborhood street. So, they probably don't want the commercial access on West Palmetto >> or or Oak >> or Oak, right? >> Those are neighborhood roads that aren't supposed to be subjected to commercial traffic, right? So,
>> to provide as best uh comment that staff can staff is uncertain about the taxes. We do not assume uh that they will be certain kinds of commercial can raise taxes just because they are you know walkable commercial though this type is unlikely to affect them in that way. Uh
when it comes to the access strictly speaking it would be unlikely for a development review committee to allow access off of either West Palmetto or West Oak. Uh that does not necessarily stop a developer from doing so. if they had a gate there uh for whatever reason,
they could claim it's for uh fire emergency. That doesn't necessarily prevent developers from later on using it for alter your accesses. Uh not accusing anyone of anything, of course. It's just one of the facts of development that we can't police
everything all the time. >> They they closed the road. They closed the road back on Oak Street when I bought it. They had closed it and then they They gave they closed the road right there at West Oak because it goes
the road been closed. So that'll be then coming in on my property. >> That's been vacated. You got to put a fence up on it. >> There's a lot between West Oak and that lot. >> Yeah.
Is are we looking at city or county? >> It's county. County. >> We're all county there. Okay. You never know when you're looking at palaca close >> my property on the back of west >> right >> uh so if I zoom in a bit here on the map
uh trying to make it behave for us of course you will see that there is this little gap between the two yellow areas here uh that is the dedicated but never developed road that would be between uh the uh current person's property and the
uh subject property uh strictly speaking that as it was never developed, it could potentially be vacated, though that would be up to the uh owners surrounding that road to vacate it. Uh including both the applicant for this reasonzone
and the uh current commenter uh as you own the property on the other side. >> Thank you. That's what I wanted. >> Okay. I only have three cards, but is there anyone else who would like to speak? just bring your card up or hand your
card to one of the staff. >> And if you would, ma'am, please state your name and address for the record. >> Linda Hall and I live at 313 AM Avenue in >> Palac. And my concern is I'm I got
property on one side near Philips Derry Road and my the mobile home that I live in faces Elm Avenue and my concern is whether our taxes would mainly go up. Um
that's what my main concern about that is. I don't I honestly don't think you guys are going to be subject I don't think you guys are going to be subjected to any tax increase that goes with the value of your property that you live on, not the value of the surrounding properties. I think you guys are going to be perfectly fine. I don't I don't
think y'all will see an increase in taxes as it relates to this. Now, hopefully our governor gets through with the 2026 election and gets rid of property taxes all together and then this won't even be an issue at all. So, >> well, you still got
But from a from a strictly from a from a property, you know, having owned a bunch of properties over the past development next to you doesn't necessarily increase your property value and make your taxes go up. You guys, unless you do some sort of improvement on your own lot, you guys shouldn't be subjected to any any kind
of tax increase. >> Well, I'm 79 years old and I say I ain't got time trying to move around and stuff. Hopefully hopefully uh everything will go our way in 2026 and there won't be any property taxes and this will not be an issue.
>> We thank you for coming up, Miss Hall. >> All right. Thank you. >> Okay. Hearing no other people that would like to speak, I will close the public hearing portion. You would like to speak again? >> Yes, sir. You may come up. Please restate your name and address.
Jason Brown, Phillips Are Road. Um, my my proposal isn't to be using these side roads. My proposal is just Phillips Are Road. That's that's where I want my road frontage. That's where my my business will come towards. I am going to state that I did look into different things as
far as changing my property that goes to commercial debt. Yes, mine will go up. My taxes will go up because I'm requesting that. >> Absolutely. more if I stayed, which this is actually slated and it shows in the past where it was a mobile home park for how how many
20 some odd mobile homes to go in there. If I were to do that or to put homes houses into there, then yes, the taxes around those folks, if I go through with that proposal, your taxes will go up. I I'm going to check to make sure. But that that's why I wasn't so it doesn't
so once I improve my land use with new homes and build the houses into it, it would cause the ones around it to for that to happen if I went to building new homes. >> That's what I'm I'm kind of curious of because that wasn't my plan, but I had three plans
>> and I I going into something I wanted to make sure if it didn't work then what was my future? So my future was to develop the area. It had already been site planned for mobile homes. It showed it how it set out and how they were going to come back and and talk to
owners that were right next to you to find out about that e Sorry, I'm not supposed to do that. Sorry. >> No, you're not. >> Sorry. The easement that's in between my neighbor and me. They were going to use that and and it shows it on the future piece where they were going to use it as an entrance for a residential area. >> So that's why when I did this, I didn't
just go hastily to go do it. I actually tried to ask as many questions, go to as many neighbors, find out what was going on, see what their thoughts were, see my area, my surrounding, what was going on >> on these roads that I would want to maybe go down to go to 17. So, I mean,
and I've already proved to myself I did bring my truck into my property. I wanted to make sure that whatever I did, it would accommodate anything that I needed. I know that I just I I have a semi. I drove it in, made my my roundabout, and parked it just to make sure. But my my sole use is the same
thing the key hydraulic the trucking company the porta people porta potty or whatever that I think it's not porta potty I'm sorry um who is it Thomas Wall wall plumbing I think it is everybody uses that because it is a heavy use road
and for logging company trucks or for others so I just didn't want anybody thinking I'm trying to use these other roads because that's not my plan I will get with my neighbor because I would like him and I to buy the what is that called an I would like to buy it. I'd like for him to have property and me take the chunk
to where that is to that road if there was ever a need or for some reason an emergency strictly for what I do for law enforcement, for fire department, things like that. Otherwise, it's not a a common use road. I don't want my stuff over there. There's children, there's things like that. Not to throw myself
under the bus. My truck wants to come in where it's used to. So, I just wanted to make sure everybody knew that that my plan was Philip Derry Road frontage in there and that's where I want to be at. >> Okay. >> So, thank you. >> Appreciate it. All right. At this time, I'm going to close the public hearing
portion of this meeting and bring it back to the board for discussion and possible action. >> Um, what are what are we looking at right there? Michael, what you got on the board there? That is that a existing recorded subdivision? >> Yes, sir. Uh, I brought this up when he was talking about the mobile home park.
Uh just for clarification, it is not a mobile home park. It is a type one one subdivision known as Fox Grove. Uh that is in the R2 zoning district as of right now. And each of these lots could theoretically support one single family residence, be it mobile, modular, or traditional site built.
>> Do they have water and sewage in that area? >> I am unfamiliar as that would be the city of Palaca's utilities. Uh from past experience, I believe they do. >> I don't believe that they do. I've been out in that area. I don't believe that they have water and sewage. So that
mobile home park would never happen. >> Again, it's not a mobile home park. It is a subdivision. Uh and strictly speaking, because those are lots of record uh as a recorded subdivision, they do bypass the uh requirement for uh
utilities to be centralized. They could have well and septic on each of those. >> Okie dokie. What is the board's pleasure? >> Well, I think I think I I understand where the board's coming from on this because we we touched on some residential on one side of the road and
commercial on the other on that deal on 207. >> I think unlike the deal on 207 is Philips Dair Road's a smaller road. It's it's easier to cross that road than it is to cross with use across 207.
I like the fact that there's industrial stuff, C4 stuff, C2 stuff all in this location. It only seems uh logical that if we're going to allow those kind of things to go on there, that's a good place to keep everything centralized.
Um I mean, I do I do understand the crossing the road into that residential stuff, but it sounds like the complaints from the neighbors aren't that it's going to be a commercial use. It sounds like the complaints from the neighbors are increased traffic on um
>> neighborhood roads which DRC should address and and as part of the development there not allow or you know make informed that if this goes forward that those things are not to be allowed on those neighborhood roads the primary access is Phillips to the point that the
staff denied on the property issues we should have had seen that same denial in the key hydraulics thing come up and it didn't because key hydraulics doesn't have access to it's C4 or industrial or whatever we switched it to with only one access to
Philips Dairy. So, if it doesn't apply in that situation, I don't see how it should apply here. Um, I concur with that. >> The only other thing that I would say is uh I I think that if we recommend approval
that we state that the that Phillips Dair Road should be the only egress >> uh for that business for that property if it goes to C4. >> I agree.
>> And I also believe that if we don't do it and he decided he wanted to do residential that's going to provide a whole lot more traffic in that area >> than than uh >> yeah it's going to make Philips Derry Road way worse with that. >> Madam Chair. >> Yes sir.
>> If I may. Uh, I just want to remind the commission that as as much as it's a a good idea to limit the access to Philips Derry, we can't actually make that part of the recommendation because it would be conditional and we can't do conditions on a zoning map amendment.
Um, but DRC will will address the roadways and any sort of site plan review um, should this go forward. >> Well, it looks like there's not really a roadway there that extends onto this property. It's just like an easement. >> They do have a road pulled it down
there. >> It is a road. It's just never been developed properly. >> Ideally, ideally, Mr. Brown would get with the adjacent land owners there and close that lo that would give him an additional landscape buffer. It would give everybody that's adjacent to him additional property and close that road
alto together. And then that way you don't have to worry about that traffic coming in. But, you know, I think as long as we've got it on record at this level that DRC needs to do something about it, even though it's not part of the condition that, you know, we've got it on the record, hey, we need to address this at DRC level.
>> I think that's that's sufficient. So, >> and I I think the fact that he's planning on f or he has already fenced the entire property. You're planning on fencing the entire property with only one gate. >> So, there won't be any way to get across the fence unless through the front gate. So,
>> and that'll be something that DRC can >> but >> but again, if he sells this property belongs to somebody else, they can do whatever they want with C4 unless DRC stays through. >> C4 is a pretty wide open category.
>> Yes, absolutely. >> DRC is not able to limit uses either. Uh, all DRC could say is that his development meets the code requirements for his specific development. If then five years later he does end up having to sell it to somebody uh whether he
wants to now or not and they decide that they want to put a truck stop in there, then DRC would have to allow them as long as they could meet the requirements. >> But regardless, he's going to have to meet landscape buffers. >> Uh, correct. Uh, for the C4 zoning district, that is a class C buffer that
is 10 ft wide. Uh it is a six- foot tall privacy style fence. Barbed wire is not allowed with one in 100 feet of a residential zoning district and a row of evergreen trees placed one every 20 feet that is 8t tall at minimum at time of planting. Strictly speaking with a class
C buffer that fence should be upgraded to a solid masonry wall. though in the past DRC has allowed for solid fences to be uh replacing the masonry wall >> but those are going to be requirements going forward
>> that would be for any C4 zoning district. >> Okay, Mr. Hner, what are your thoughts? >> You know, you look at this and you try to into the future.
Sorry about that. >> I forget about these microphones. Um anyway, I I just don't know that the the parcel lends itself to any other kind of development and I'm kind of uh in favor of maybe moving this thing along and and
just having the access off of Phyllis Derry Road there. Stanley, >> um all I see is noise. It's pretty heavy. There's some pretty heavy trucks all across the street there. A bunch.
>> And uh bunch of trailers, semi-trailers. >> Um a bunch. So >> you Hey, you you live behind St. John's Towing. How's the uh how's the how's the noise from St. John's towing? >> I'm a little far away from that. >> Can I
My wife and my daughter run Can I speak? I apologize. My wife and my daughter run the business from 8:30 to 5. They're there at the office. Once 5:00 comes, I'd in there. Granted, I may have to go up there and change a tire on my record. That's my business. I have to keep
running. I'm not up there running or working all nights of the hour. Last night, we had three major accidents. Don't know if y'all know them, but that's fine. Okay. When I get them, I come in. I'm respectable for all the neighbors that are behind me currently right now. I used to have the former
mayor, Carl Flag, which lived in my corner. Never once did he ever come over and say, "Jay, it's getting a little loud. We're having parties." None of those things. What I did have was Mr. Carl Flag. When he left, he said, "You know, you've been such a good neighbor." Those two little spots that he could never do anything with. I ended up
buying those from him. That yard is just not big enough for the growth that this town is getting ready to have because we have multiple things coming in in the south end right here in town, which is there's growth coming in between the housing and everything else. I'm just trying to find a reasonable spot without
upsetting my neighbors, making it an eyesore. Now, granted, a I think did you say 10 foot tall wall? >> Uh six foot >> six foot. If it goes to had to have a six foot concrete wall, I'm out. That's that's a lot of money to in case a piece of property would >> put up a six foot
>> chain link fence. Yeah. >> No, it would be chain chain link fence. >> It would have to be privacy style minimum. >> It can be a six foot wooden wall. >> Okay. or it can be a vegetative. >> So I would have to come back to you all and discuss that as well. >> Uh no, what would happen is at the DRC
stage you would be given your buffer requirement which would be a class C uh sorry uh I believe it's uh 30C which means 30 ft wide. Excuse me for my earlier statement. uh which is a row of evergreen trees every 20 feet 8 feet
tall with a fence or solid wall or burm or vegetated buffer six feet tall at time planting >> chain link without barb wire >> uh no barbed wire and it can't be chain link it has to be a solid wall of some kind >> either or wood or plastic or what have
you >> if I do this wall understand that I am in a business of carrying all of y'all's cars if you got in a wreck I'm require ired by law to keep them safe. And a wooden fence, I can put my foot through it. Okay. In order to get a chain link fence, I have either climb it, go to the
bob wire, cut it. >> There's nothing saying you can't put a chain link fence inside. You have to have the wooden fence or barrier there for >> I'm going to have to double fence or double that's between me. Yeah. >> And let's let let's let these details go to DRC. Yes, ma'am. >> Okay. >> But um there will be buffer requirements
just so you understand it. >> Yes, ma'am. And uh we've got another gentleman wishing to speak. So please come back up and give us your name address again and hold the mic close to you. My name's Edward Wright at 510 West
metal street Florida. But what he's saying is it's already a buffer between his property and and our property. It's a it's a vegetation buffer. But they're just saying DRC is going to have some specific requirements to make sure he
separates himself from y'all and make sure that he adheres to those. Not saying that that's in place won't suffice for it. There's just going to be some additional requirements that that he has to >> protect you guys from whatever is going to go onto his property.
>> Got that. But I'm saying though, and they were saying the noise, >> they already got noise >> all up and down the road. >> Up and down the road. So his noise ain't going to make a difference. >> Okay. Right. >> Yeah. >> So, you guys don't sound like y'all are really as n against what's going on,
what you know, what he's asking to do there. You guys just don't want your taxes to go up and >> make sure you guys get considered right there. Right. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> All right. Yeah. All right. >> All right. Good. >> Okay.
I would be happy to entertain a motion. I'll make a motion that we approve rec 250012 as it consistent with goals and objectives policies comprehensive plan of Putnham County.
>> Do I hear a second? >> Second. >> Thank you. Is there any other discussion? I'll call for the question. All those in favor, please signify by saying I. >> I. >> Chair votes I. All opposed. Like sign.
First step is through. Now you go to the county commission on January 13th. >> You got the easy part done. >> So um you got the next wave and then if they approve it, you on to DRC. Um what's the acreage on this?
>> It's under 10 acres. So it will only go of county commissioners once, right? That is correct. 3.23 acres. >> Okay. >> And you could also >> Yep. >> Yeah. And you may have questions you want to
ask of the tax assessor's office just so for your peace of mind, you'll know what your taxes are going to look like. >> So, um, but we appreciate your time. and we appreciate everyone coming out and exercising their civil rights and civil
authority. Uh without you, it would just be a bland meeting and we like seeing our neighbors. So at this point, I'll go on to the second case. Uh re25000013. Uh and Ethan, I think, is presenting this one. Yes, >> ma'am. Good evening. Uh planning
commission. For the record, Ethan Thompson, Planning and Development Services, presenting ReZ25-000013. Uh, Putham County is requesting a zoning map amendment from industrial light to public use light on a 1.83 acre parcel,
which is located at 125 West McCormack Road over in East Palaca. Uh, to allow for greater development on the property. Uh things like playground equipment do not require permits. Uh but a map amendment would be required before the parcel would be eligible for any
building permits for other amenities. Uh adjacent and surrounding zonings include industrial and residential. Uh future land use designation of industrial. Uh the parcel has approximately 293 feet of access on West McCormack Road and approximately 273
feet of access uh from South Maryland Avenue. Per the wetlands layer and the FEMA flood zone layer on the GIS reference map, the land does not appear to contain any wetlands and is located within FEMA flood zone X, which is not a special hazard flood
area. Should the applicant's request be approved, the applicant will then be subject to review by the DRC before obtaining any permits for development on the property that are compatible with the uh P1 zoning district.
Here is an aerial of the property. future land use uh zoning or yes uh zoning FEMA flood zone and no wetlands. So no wetlands map
staff recommends approval of the request to amend the zoning map from industrial light to public use light. staff finds that the proposed resoning is consistent with the goals, objectives, and policies of the adopted comprehensive plan and meets the location requirements of the public use light uh zoning district
provided in the land development code and the comprehensive plan. Are there any questions? >> Any questions? >> All right, Miss Young, um do you want would you like to speak >> representing the county?
>> You can put the mic down. appreciate you. You're always here to help me, aren't you? >> You need to get on your husband for abandoning you while you had to stay in here and he just walked out. >> Yeah. >> Well, I really think we should probably reorder the um process here, but you know, that's for another day and another
discussion. So, good afternoon. I appreciate your time. Julian Young, Putnham County Board of County Commissioners, Deputy County Administrator here this morning. Um, this is actually a parcel of land that was donated to the county from the Hedstrom and Beenball families for the
development of a community park. The history of the property is it was previously in a community association. Um, the stipulations of that donation, which we received about a year ago, was that we erect the play structure that's there to just a simple playground and
that we um have a sign dedicating it at Been Ball Park. Uh, those two things have been done. Um, as you will see if you've in the if you're in the area, we'd like to develop some additional play features and infrastructure at that park for the community's use. We're in the process of a pickle ball court being
uh developed. And this particular reason that we're here today is we'd like to make sure that we have some ability to put some shade structures over some of those things. So, with that, I'll take questions. >> Any questions of Miss Young? >> Good idea.
>> Yep. Thank you, sir. >> It's a good park. Thank you. All right. Um, I don't see anyone from the general public who would like to speak either for or against this particular application. So, I will close the public hearing portion of the meeting and bring it back
to the board. Um, any discussion from the board? >> I don't think so. I like seeing the move there. I mean, the beating balls were, >> you know, uh, critical over there in East Palac. I missed that. Bruners in there. They got a lot of my money over the years and we hate it that they're
gone. But, uh, yeah, I think it's great for what they're doing there. I like to see the step down from industrial to the public use there in that little residential neighborhood. >> Yeah. >> Madam Chair, I'll make a motion. I move we recommend that the board of c to the board of county commissioners that we
approve resoning of rec250013 as it is consistent with the goals and objectives policies of the public county comprehensive plan. >> Okay, have a motion and a second. Any other discussion hearing? None. I'll call for the
question. All in favor say I. >> I like sun for opposed. Chair votes I. Thank you very much for bringing this to us and thank you for having the park for Mr. Been Ball. He was a fine man.
All right. Case REZ25-000014. Yes, ma'am. Uh once again for the record, Ethan Thompson, Planning and Development Services, presenting REZ25-000014. Uh Kurl's Properties LLC is requesting a zoning map amendment from C2 uh RE and
C3 to C3 on a 2.52 acre parcel which is located at 149 South Highway 17 uh again in East Paca to allow for contiguous commercial development. U adjacent and surrounding zonings include commercial, residential, and public use. Uh the
subject site has a future land use designation of uh commercial and urban service. It has approximately 330 feet of access off south off south highway 17 and approximately 206 ft of access on Walton Road. According to the wetlands
layer and the flood zone layer on the GIS reference map, the land does not appear to contain any wetlands and is located within flood zone X which is not special hazard. Should the applicant's request be approved, the applicant applicant will then be subject to review by the DRC
before they can obtain any permits for development on the property uh that are compatible with the C3 zoning district. Here is an aerial of the property. Got the future land use map as well as the zoning map
and the flood zone. Staff recommends approval of the request to amend the zoning map from commercial commercial to re uh and C3 to C3. Staff finds that the proposed resoning is consistent with the goals, objectives, and policies of the adopted
comprehensive plan and land development code and meets the location requirements of the commercial 3zoning district which is in the land development code and comprehensive plan. That was messy. Sorry. Any questions? >> I see that. What was what was the purpose of the resone?
>> What is the purpose of the reszone? Just to combine the properties and and get them all under the same zoning heading. >> Ultimately, yes, ma'am. They owned at the time they owned um the parcel that fronts on Walton Road and the parcel
that fronts on 17. And they were two separate parcels. After they applied for the reszone, they combine them into one, but ultimately the goal is for the entire parcel to be zone C3. Um, they're an outdoor shed sales company. Um, and they need they wanted to be able to use
utilize the land in that way. >> I saw that they had crossed out portable sheds on their application. Um, so this would be a sale and showroom or >> Yeah, I I think the the primary
objective um is to to function as the sales area less about the construction of it. I think I'm not I'm not totally clear on what the full objective is. I wasn't in on that pre-application meeting. Um
but the consistent zoning helps them with the what it is that they sell. >> So everything would go to C3. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Okay. I see no applicant here. I see no public
here. Um So, we won't be needing a public hearing and we won't hear from the applicant. Um, concerns from the board. I mean, I think it's a no-brainer there. That whole corridor there selling uh
metal and handy houses and sheds. And I mean, I think it's right. It's in line with what's going on there. >> The fact that none of the neighbors aren't here complaining about it. I mean, it's >> that intersection is terrible. the the Walton Road intersection.
>> Yes, ma'am. If you try to turn back left, it's ugly. >> Oh, yeah. >> But has no concern. I'm just sticking the fact. >> I think that'll be a bridge for DRC to burn when they get ready to do something there. >> I don't think there's anything you can
do. >> Um, there are residences that go all the way down to the river coming off of Walton Road. >> Um, >> yes, many. And where would the ingress, do we know where the ingress would be for this property?
>> It'd have to be off of Walton Road. Um >> DOT typically does not allow curb cuts uh for for anything off of the state roads. >> Um so more than likely it'll have to be off Walton Road. >> Madam Chair, may I speak to that too, please? >> Yes, sir.
>> Uh during your site visits, you might have noticed that there's a building under construction there. We went through the development review committee process back in 2023 when Austin Strickland owned that property and um he was approved for an office and storage
for like metal roofing sales. >> Um the access ended up being approved about somewhere between 50 and 75 foot down on Walton Road. Of course, this property owner um before they start
putting up all of their sheds for their storage and display of the of the commodity, they'll have to go back through DRC as well and make sure they meet all setbacks and they have appropriate number of parking spaces. And again, we'll look at the uh the the
ingress egress to the site to make sure it still is compatible with the land development code. um with of course Ethan's kind of mentioned the elephant in the room. It is a DOT road. So, while staff can recommend that they curb cut,
if DOT prevents them from doing so because of all the other existing curb cuts and rights of way that are there, then they're going to be forced to take access either from Walton Road or in a very extreme scenario have to establish a cross access easement between tractor
supply, the vacant property in the middle and then their property. So, the access is very much up in the air concern right now. >> D has >> there already is a curb cut. The peanut guy sits in the on the curb curb cut.
>> Well, the DOT has a variance process also. But I know from another project our concern anyway last couple months DOT is the same as us. If you have a hardship there where you know you're needing access, they they have a process in place for even if you don't meet the
DOT regulations, you can apply for variance and involve situations like this. So just because DOT said no initially doesn't mean that it might not eventually have access from the highway there. But uh Neil Strickland
roofing office already has commercial access from Walton Road right there in that same block. So downways. >> Mr. Suggs, did you want to speak? already said hey to everybody. >> Good afternoon uh Miss Roberts and and
fellow committee members. Uh I would stand here today if I >> name and address please. >> I I will I'd stand here today as Terry uh Terry Suggs at 133 Walton Road and not as the county administrator. So, uh, we have absolutely no issue with with
property rights and things of that nature, but we would ask for us to be cognizant of the fact that once you turn off a 17, everything back there is residential. Both sides of that road all the way back to the river is residential. The only concern that I've
had that I've seen since I've lived there is is when you pull out of that particular piece of property because they they've been in and out with vehicles already, it blocks the road for a right-hand turn off of 17 on Walton Road. That's the only concern that I and my neighbors have. They they've come to
me to talk to me about it. So that was that'd be the only thing that we would have a concern with or I have a concern with is the the ability to access Walton Road from 17 when there's a vehicle coming out of that driveway and if they're going to be pulling trailers in and out of there, it's going to block
that road. There's just there's not enough room there for them to get across and out Walton Road without blocking that that righthand turn lane. >> Thank you. >> Yes, ma'am. Thank you. Any questions
with the board? Any discussion? I'll bring it back and close public hearing. Um I'll bring it back to the board for discussion and action. Well, I can see where when they pull off at the present time, but they can move it back more toward the uh I guess
that'd be the south. Yeah, the south end of that lot, but that's not for us to determine anyway the property is in a good spot for C3 zoning >> and DRC when they review it they could
require a turn lane off of Walton Road onto that property >> um I believe >> the owner's expense >> I don't think >> uh yes ma'am >> they could do anything but I think that's one of the issues they need to be very cognizant of
>> at the time it if this passes when it goes to DRC Um because I can see that there would be congestion there coming off of Walton Road with all the houses down there, especially early in the morning, late in the afternoon. Um
all right. What's the board's pleasure? >> Yeah, I think access is going to be one of those things that gets worked out at DRC, but I don't see how it would be impossible there. We certainly do need to be concerned with the >> the neighborhood there. But >> um I'm going to make a motion we approve reg 250014
as it consistent with goals and objectives county comprehensive plan land development code. >> Thank you Mr. Morris. Do I hear a second? Mr. Hafner second it. All right. Any further discussion?
>> I'll call for the question. All those in favor please signify by saying I. I >> oppose like sign. Chair votes I. Thank you very much. And we're going to place our faith in the DRC. Um, is there a little business to come
before the board, Mr. and Zach, it's five o'clock. Okay. Um, Zach needs to leave at five for another obligation. No other old business. Is there any new business to come before the board? All right. Hearing none, let's move to
the approval of the minutes from the September 10th meeting. >> I make a motion we approve the minutes. >> Okay, Stanley. Do I hear a second? >> But I'll second it. >> That's not that tough.
>> I wasn't here about that. >> All right. >> I heard it. >> All right. All in favor, please signify by saying I. >> I. Okay. Chair votes eye. >> By the way, that's on recording.
>> Yeah, it it hit the mic. Well, his mic's not on, so >> Oh, it was okay. Um, you were hearing. All right. Any any future um mistakes in those minutes? We're going to hold you accountable.
>> Okay. It is 502 and I will call this meeting adjourned. >> Thank you. >> Thank you.