thece requirements chairman Mr award gettings Vice chair Miss Donna Drew here miss Robin Fatu M Scott McDade this has to be excused I Believe Miss Michelle kakiri she has also be uh asked to be excused
Mr Dennis conanan here Mr James Miller here Mr Glenn solowski here board professionals board attorney Mr Joe torella Here by Zoom Township planner Mr Jeffrey Bella here and all other board professionals have asked to be
excused can ask everybody please rise of alence United States of America to the for stands naice thank you in terms of comments and reports this evening I do not have report items
anybody on the board have something ra theard of we have some information from the chairman of the board of adjustment in terms of some procedural changes yeah so it um I guess the board of adjustment at the meeting I don't know James if you
were there I missed the last meeting that they're proposing some changes to some of process and protocols um and Cynthia sent me an email with that information I sent I shared it with Ed this evening um but it
might be appropriate for us to take a look at that and then come back to the planning board and kind of share what kind of directions are some of it's to make things a little bit more manageable with the staff limitations and constraints um some of it's to get our
our applicants Maybe a little bit more organized you know we've kind of had that issue and these were strictly um they're strictly imposed them for Board of adjustment right and so that's this good good idea for us to maybe right maybe be to be consistency
across um you know if we say for example one simple thing yeah not take advantage of just now free time right L the burden and stick so there might be some things that that we totally agree with and you know but I think it'd be best if we kind of um Explore More with staff see where
some of the recommendations and talk with Board of adjustment um chairs and vice chairs and then come back to the board with some recommendations but you know all this was with the intent to try and manage the workload make our meetings work more efficiently so and the behind the scenes stuff more
efficiently too yeah yeah like when applicants monopolize yeah yeah so so yeah right yeah more so Public Access hour
changes yeah yeah so we'll learn more about it and then bring it back to everybody for some discussion that tie into checklist thing you're working on whole checklist talking oh post post approval process yeah yeah
yes um so I didn't know yeah you know it this is more upfront okay you know like when we say for example I'll use one simple example when we say materials need to be in 20 one days in advance we mean 21 days
in advance not waving the rule yeah not waving the rule the time then that jams everybody up to read everything and respond versus informational work yours is hey this is what you sometimes exhibits are turned
in so yeah the last minute so anyway so we'll we'll we'll get back we'll find out more about it and then we'll um you know get back to everybody comments
okay um should we raise the application that we were discussing earlier um The Diamond Nation so Jeff did share Diamond Nation came in I think that would be like after okay all right we're
going to be doing some followup um around diamination um I did reach out to a few hydrogeologists I got responses from three professionals uh they it's now in the stage for
interview um so next week uh there are a few few days that are open on their end and so just open it up to see availability under who would like to attend I'm I'm willing to sit in on that
if others are if others are interested my my thought was to come up with a standard list of questions that speak to the their knowledge of implementing that type of an
ordinance and then I think also you know my mother question that I thought about is like would they recommend changes to our ordinance to make it more appropriate given in technology you know it was written probably 20 years ago so
there may be some um you know technical changes that would be appropriate at some point yeah so it would just it would just give them I think an ability to see if they can think on their feet [Laughter]
but that sounds that sounds really exciting [Laughter] so that but that'll help if we can get them yeah uh the F there's the first two of them can do the the first and then
the third but I'll press around an email okay about specifics but they're pretty flexible as far as afternoon and warnings okay yeah okay attorney's comments Mr toriello is this uh welcome from the far I I have no no comments I mean report
report wise right yes yes no no no there is no correspond minutes we are not acting on any minutes this evening or resolutions we do not the record have anybody from in the room with us this evening
[Music] so and then we were scheduled this evening to have a public heing products this was moved forward to the state three or four weeks ago a letter today from kinsky coun
for Country products Excuse Me Greater asking that this application be moved to April 9th so I'm not sure if you wanted me to read the letter into the record Joe Joe we just place this in the
record or yeah uh you you can you could certainly read it into the record or you could simply state that the the hearing that was scheduled for tonight will be carried to April 9th without further need to advertise okay so the issue is though is
that the April 9th is not available so I'm not sure if you guys would like for me to send an um a letter of Correspondence to miss Kinski letting her know that and that the first available hearing date would be May 14th
well my suggestion would be that you carry it to May 14th without further need to advertise if she doesn't like that date then she could put it in writing of what date she would like and then she'll have to read vertise okay so I I I think I think if I
was the applicant's attorney I would rather have it carried to a date without my input without the need to further advertise and if that's an issue for her then she can read vertise T what's on the agenda for
that I'm not questioning you this is uh it's for Katherine Janowski any way we could get this and I'm only saying that not own attorne I mean if the bo if the board is
comfortable with it this is a major bus owner in the township this this thing's got be three years this is like years old this yeah 2022 yeah Jen CI it's a a minor subdivision but there are a lot of
variances and Ines of of the requests but um yeah it's up to you guys if you wanted two applications where they'd have a Time liit on each one or however you guys want to organize it else have some thoughts on it
I'd like to see us do it on the night I think there there should be sufficient but they'd be second they'd be second I think we should get it these things just and then then assuming we don't
finish creder on the nth then they would continue on whatever the next dat was May May 14th from everything that I've read SE heard this these extensions are
not of the I just like to do I mean this is a major yeah I would yeah I don't have a problem having a longer meeting on the well I I think we still hold with our rules I would say but then they get an
hour hour and a you know they each get they split the time and if they need any additional time for the the concrete products then they second meeting is the 14th yeah okay okay thank you okay so do we need a
motion to carry it to May 14th or just read into the record it's just the record is it going to be the 14th or the 9th it'll be the nth the nth okay all right so we're good then okay all
right that's all we have for this evening unless have some Dialogue on some developments Mr Torell respect to well I mean Jeff and I we had some conversations today and I spoke with
Steve Gruenberg and I I had to get some clarification as to whether the parking situation on the current parcel that's going to be the subject of the new application uh whether that parking was
a condition of the prior approval and it seems from the conversations and the exchanges that it was not a condition of approval but there might have been some testimony where they said and they're going to use
this for additional parking it is both my opinion and I I spoke with John drill too because I didn't know if the board of adjustment was involved with a prior application and um I'm comfortable in saying that there's all all groenberg
needs to do is to put in writing to this board and I think he should do to the board of adjustment as well that says that um you know they're going to uh uh wave any prior approvals or permits granted for that parking abandon them
and um and proceed and when I spoke with gromberg today he said he has no problem with that but he wants to put a caveat in it where he says he will abandon the prior um uh permits and approval
if the application is granted if the application is not granted he doesn't want to abandon it and Jeff and I had a follow-up conversation today my opinion is I don't think that that Proviso is unreasonable but um I think that if there is an approval and the new plans
are not showing you know the the the existing parking or I'm going to call it the existing parking ask or promise that needs to be removed as as part of um you know any approval and he
needs to abandon it in writing yeah I yeah Sor but it don't well I'm gonna just the Layman's turns from mine is that we're letting them get away with providing the parking that
was that was acknowledged as necessary on the second Diamond Nation application in order to meet their parking requirements so there was testimony that they needed that off-site parking in order for their
expansion plans to have adequate parking so now we're saying that just poof disappears uh yes because there's no legal it was not a condition of approval so him going back to the board would not
be appropriate but what but what if if to the extent that this new application is modifying that all he needs to do from a procedural standpoint is not seek a variance because he doesn't need a variance or a change because it wasn't a prior
condition of approval he just needs to say I'm abandoning that that's all that's that's all he needs to do so something it it you know it will it will disappear but it's going to disappear by a letter from him not by a different
application it's just the methodology of of how it disappears when you say disappears and abandons you literally mean that the 186 overflow parking spots will not exist
any longer correct correct correct okay so there's obviously lots of implications to that effect but I understand the legal not that was my sidebar earlier that if it wasn't a condition wasn't put in as a requirement
it was testimony that it stand that's if an so if an applicant submits when they when diation came in for their expansion and they showed the need for X
number of parking spaces and the only way they can meet that need that's shown on their parking table is by offsite parking on this lot to make them not and because they could do that because an ordinance had
been passed to allow whatever that adjacent uses I I don't understand how that we can now Diamond Nation is no longer compliant then with their subdivision and site plan or their site plan that
was submitted that showed the number of parking spaces they're providing because they won't have the adjacent use so they don't Now cover for the first part yeah they required spacing so the fir the first application did not did not have overflow but the second but the the
second one they have it on the site they address that they have overflow and it's something I I have to confirm of whether or not if that if they take that out if then it's a non-compliant site because they weren't
they did not I don't know why they did not include lot one if they were testifying for for that parking requirement which I don't know how that how they they didn't include the the offsite U lot in their in their second
application okay so Joe I guess my concern is that if if if we're Expediting it making it easier for the applicant to have this who owns both lots have this parking now disappear when it was testified that
they needed it for this site to operate and and intuitive we all know that their hundreds and hundreds of cars parked on that lot every weekend so they can't meet their parking requirements if this parking goes away
so C can we at least pause before Steve gets off not having to provide this parking anymore yeah I mean all all I all I could do is relay the conversation I had with drill today and and again I wasn't part of any prior application but
he made it clear under the law if this was not condition of the approval making him go there's no there's there's nothing to go before the board to seek relief the the the the issue would be
addressed in this application I can only share what the conversation that I had with and I guess Jeff it sounds like you're gonna go back and do some some research on that um again and I guess we can have a follow-up conversation but
you know um I I don't it's done where a pause step back go back through the prior approvals have make sure we understand the timing facts circumstances to
evaluate then we the heck of these at facts and circumstances basis yeah because it's hard because you weren't you weren't on on that those ca those cases and John only knew one part
of it yeah out of the out of the three applications so yeah we'll we'll we'll figure it out okay great thank you we're good for the evening well Taylor you're gonna you're gonna um advise of the letter you sent to gromberg today right that we have till
the end of June yes sir I already did okay thank you they're not scheduled yet they're not yeah they're not scheduled they submitted applications uh they they don't need to go through completeness
review it's more or less a scheduling and um a time in which they can be heard for the legal background part you mean yeah yeah I'm I'm sorry did you was there a
question to me I didn't hear it can we geted I appreciate the app legal council perspective but I yeah I I I I heard like every third word I don't know why um now um are you
asking me to work with um uh Jeff to resolve the Gruenberg parking issue quickly is that what you were asking yeah apparently my mic requires me to hit the button oh there you go I could hear I could hear now Crystal Clear yeah this mic is
kept off I forgot um because it doesn't work well um yeah can we just be Swift and having you per Chairman's request review all the various documents Etc because I appreciate the applicants perspective at least their council's perspective but I I would prefer more of
a objective review of this from from your angle and looking at all of course yeah [Laughter] okay okay all right well all right Joe you're go thank
you everybody have a good night yeah he's already a close sweats