all right good evening the r and Township planning board is now in session all to order the notice requirements of the open public meetings act have been satisfied by the placing of a notice of this meeting on the bulletin board in the municipal building following the notice with the Township Clerk and transmitting the notice to the hund county Democrat The Courier News The Star Ledger in Trenton Times Mr chairman thank you roll call please chairman Mr Edward gettings here Vice chair Miss Don here miss Robin Fatu here Mr Scott McDade here Miss Michelle kakiri here Mr Dennis panan here Mr James Miller Mr Glenn soosi here oh sorry board professionals board attorney Mr John Bardo here Township planner Mr Jeffrey Vella here Township engineer Mr raes Dari present Township landscape architect Mr John Morgan Thomas here board traffic assault and Mr J J Troutman here and um board planner Miss Jessica Caldwell very good thank you I'd like to ask everybody to please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance and a moment of silence for the men and women in the armed services flag United States America the stands indivisible justice for all thank you welcome to everyone uh tonight uh we've got a few agenda items up front let me walk through those in terms of reports I do not have any reports tonight um any board comments this evening before we get going no there being none engineer comments nothing nothing with cash okay thank you planners comments okay thanks Jessica attorney's comments no thank you okay there is no correspondence this evening we do have minutes from our closed session on March 27th and those were all forwarded to us in advance we do have to uh agree to those but does anyone have any comments or suggestions or changes to those coms I do not that being the case can I have a motion to approve so MO second chairman Mr Edward gettings yes Miss Robin Fatu yes Mr Scott McDade yes Mr Dennis conanan yes Miss Michelle kavaki yes Mr James Miller yes Mr Glenn Sosi yes okay very good we do have a resolution to approve this evening that's resolution 07 d202 4 this is the Flemington Industrial Park LLC that we met with several weeks ago we receive the resolution in advance of the meeting for review are there any comments or suggested changes to the resolution I do not have any so have a motion to approve please motion second chairman Mr Edward gettings yes Miss Robin Fatu yes Mr Scott McDade yes Mr Dennis conanan yes Miss Michelle kakiri yes Mr James Miller yes Mr Glenn sokowski yes okay thank you our next agenda item is Citizens privilege and this is an opportunity for anyone who is here this evening or anybody who is live streaming to address the board on anything that is not further down on the agenda so if you have comments or suggestions on Woodmont that is coming up next but if you have anything you want to address to the board that is not related to Woodmont now would be the time to do so you can come up to the microph phone or speak up online okay there being n we will move on to tonight's public hearing which is Woodmont RIT and bronze LLC I'd like to uh just in terms of the order of events here I'm sure a lot of you have not been to planning board meetings before so let me give you a little indication of how the process will flow tonight uh the board is obviously up here at the deas these are all board members except Mr Bardo who is to my left who is the planning board attorney and Miss vaugh who was the planning board secretary down to my far right the Ritt Township professionals and by professionals we mean engineer planner landscape architect um Etc they they are seated at this table to my left and the folks from Woodmont will also have their own experts that are going to be providing testimony we have received information on their plans in uh proposal uh in advance those have been reviewed but tonight is the presentation tonight is the chance to ask questions so as the different experts are introduced they will go through and they will testify they will all be sworn in by Mr Bardo our experts have already been sworn in at the beginning of the year so they will all be sworn in and then their attorney will will walk through process not testifying asking them to testify to any number of questions that we may have suggestions that the experts came up with uh the application itself so we will go through that process so you'll hear the board asking questions you'll hear the experts asking questions when we conclude that for each expert I will then throw it out to you both here in the room first and when we're done with your questions here we'll go to anybody who's live streaming so if you have a question at that point that's the time to come up but you can only ask questions regarding the testimony that you just heard okay so if you if the engineer has provided testimony you hear him say something or her say something and you can ask that question come on up to the microphone give your name give your address and do so we'll do that in an orderly fashion at the end of the evening when all of the testimony is complete you will have an opportunity if you have further things to say that's when you'll be invited up to say it Mr Bardo will swear you in at that point because at that point you're providing testimony you're not giving uh not just asking questions okay so again when we get there I'll deal with anyone who wants to address questions here in the room first then we'll go to the live streaming I think at last count we had what 10 or 15 think yeah okay so we want to make sure that we're inclusive and give everybody an opportunity to participate and with that I I want to add one thing a planning board this is a planning board is is created purs to the New Jersey municipal land use law this this planning board is is not a legislative body we don't pass ordinances zoning or otherwise those ordinances are passed by the township committee so our role when an application is submitted is to review the application and determine whether it complies with the parameters of the ordinance so we're not the folks that decide where certain things go and in what zones they go in that was a governing body back in 2019 with respect to this particular application so I just want to make that that distinction clear as to what our role is Visa the township committee and with Mr chairman thank you thank you Mr Bardo thank you uh Mr chairman um that was uh very good overview can I hope everybody can hear me back there I apologize for my back uh but good evening Mr chairman and members of the board board professionals and the public uh my name is John engino I'm a partner at the law firm of engino Taylor uh and we are representing the applicant Woodmont Raritan bronze LLC and a at of Woodmont properties Woodmont is seeking preliminary and major site plan approval regarding property designated as lot four in Block 40 also known as 40 Highway Route 202 and a portion of lot 5.01 in Block 40 also known as 75 warhe corner here in the township of Raritan uh the property is located in the ubr US bronze Redevelopment District uh the applicant owns the property which is the subject of this application uh the project consists of the removal of existing pavement removal of other improvements on the site the applicant is proposing um a warehouse facility total Le approximately 353,000 3 total square feet the warehouse will be approximately 45 A2 ft High just a little bit higher uh with 36 loading doors 23 knockout loading doors uh for use by for future tenants if if required uh driveway and parking area improvements are also proposed including 65 storage spaces on site and the applicant is also proposing additional site improvements including detention basins signage screening landscaping and the like uh the applicant is certainly mindful of the public interest in this application uh particularly the issue of truck traffic relative to case Boulevard in Vorhees Corner Road uh you'll hear testimony from two of our Witnesses regarding that issue of concern uh we understand and respect the process uh but we also assert that this respectfully that this is an as ofri right application meaning that we're not seeking any variances we're not seeking any relief uh in that regard uh from the uh from the Redevelopment plan um I do want to point out to the board the board knows and to the public that we're here this evening after a very lengthy process of numerous public hearings public actions taken both by the governing body and this board relative to the Redevelopment process uh the Redevelopment process which many in the public participated in commenced back on March 19th of 2019 um when the township committee authorized and directed this board to conduct a preliminary investigation to determine whether Lot 4 qualified as an area in need of Redevelopment uh on May 29th of 2019 19 the Redevelopment study was presented to the board by the board's planner Miss Caldwell and the board voted unanimously to recommend designating lot four as an area in need of Redevelopment on June 5 of 2019 the township committee adopted resolution 19136 actually designating lot four as an area in need of Redevelopment uh on July 10th of 2019 the board reviewed the subject Redevelopment plan and determined its consistency or not inconsistent with the uh Township's master plan and on August 20th of 2019 the township committee introduced the subject red development plan ordinance and that ordinance went through the usual process and on September 3rd of 2019 with a public hearing the committee adopted the subject Redevelopment plan which was ordinance 1923 on June 8th of 2022 the township committee passed resolution 22147 authorizing the planning board to undertake an investigation of lot 5.01 and October uh 21 of 2022 the planning board held that public hearing consider the recommendation of Miss calwell and voted to recommend declaring lot 5.1 to be an area in need of Redevelopment on December 6th of 2022 the township committee declared uh lot 5.0 in Block 40 as an area in the on February 7th of 2023 the township committee introduced an Amendment to the US bronze Redevelopment plan to include both Lots four and 5.01 and on March 21 of 2023 the township committee adopted that ordinance thus creating the zoning uh for this project uh on November 21 of 2023 you said that I say that as if it was so long ago which just a few months ago actually uh the township committee entered into a Redevelopment agreement with the applicant uh a representative of the applicant Steven santoo will outline some of the Salient points and terms of that Redevelopment agreement so that the board uh and the public understand the applicants obligations under it um I I have uh pass out is exhibit A1 the various uh documents that I just referenced so that it's clear that the forgoing Redevelopment documents are part of the record and that's okay Mr Bard I'll give those to the board secretary that's fine Mr IND can distribute those to board to have hand more books carry home from school so to speak but uh just thought it might be handy for you all to have a compilation what's that I have one for me there may be more in there than you need um but figured it was better to have too many than too few thank you yeah so while you're looking at those Mr chairman I guess the point here is that the project has been through a very lengthy public process in which the township committee uh the board have taken numerous public actions at public hearings uh to uh to get this uh project to this point uh the project has been thoroughly negotiated for the mutual benefit both the township and redeveloper which is exactly what the uh Redevelopment process is all about and how it's supposed to work uh in addition the applicant has already received various Outside Agency permits and approvals required for the project some of which are relevant to some of the review comments we received from the board professionals um such Outside Agency permits and approvals uh already received consist of the following and I want to list what they are I'm going to pass those out all as well we have approval from the hunter County planning board by letter dated April 24 2024 we have approval of the hunting County Soil Conservation District by letter dated May 2nd of 2024 we have flood Hazard area verification flood Hazard individual permit freshwater wetlands General permit number two and water quality permit certificate all issued by permit by the New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection uh and dated and approved on October 26th of 2023 so we have all those D permits in place uh we have a letter from JMT of April 12th 2024 confirming adequacy of sour gallonage and just today uh we received the storm water discharge permit uh from the uh from the D so we have uh you know most of if not all of our Outside Agency permits and approvals in place and I'd like to pass out a copy of of all those permits that I just referenced uh to the board2 going to be A2 yes okay [Music] [Music] that all right so while those are being passed out if I may uh just to not waste any time um I think as Mr Bardo said accurately that the applicants primary responsibility in this hearing is to demonstrate uh that the site plan complies with the Redevelopment plan right that's where all the planning went in that's where all the the effort went in is that's a very important document and so we now have to come with the site plan that is compliant with the uh Redevelopment plan and the board's role of course is to ensure that the applicant in fact does that um we received a number of comment letters from the board's professionals and again just to make sure that the record is complete just want to list those real quickly we have uh Jay Caldwell and Associates review letter report number one dated April 8th of 2024 we have environmental Resolutions Inc review letter dated May uh 2nd 2024 we have McDona and Rey Associates review letter dated May 6th 2024 we have a tanp of rtin review letter authored by Jeffrey vasella dated May 3 2024 Chef that I pronounced your name correctly V velli velli you know that's what I thought it was and I thought I heard something different I apologize you're Italian you should I should know better I know with a name like engino I should know better um we have the township of ritan environmental commission review report we have the fire marshall review letter dated April 9 2024 we have the raran recycling coordinator memorandum dated April uh 10 2024 we have the historians committee comments dated April 2nd 2024 and we have uh John Morgan Thomas Landscape Architects report dated May 7th of 2024 Mr chairman uh I want to let you know that we do appreciate uh Advanced receipt of these foregoing reports uh and so in an effort to be efficient uh want you know the applicants witnesses will endeavor to include issues raised in those reports into their affirmative testimony uh each of our witnesses will of course be available to the board the board professionals and the public uh to answer questions based on their testimony um as you indicated I have four Witnesses this evening Mr chairman uh Mr santola uh who I referenced earlier uh who is Executive Vice President General Council of Woodmont properties we have Bill Lane of Menlow engineering who is the project civil engineer Phil reiri of reri and reri who's the project architect and Carl Panky of Langan engineering who is our traffic expert so without further Ado all those four gentlemen would stand up and raise their right hand you gentlemen with respect to your testimony tonight swear to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you God you are all sworn and as our chairman indicated previously our professionals were previously sworn and remain under oath for the balance of the Year Mr s Sol is just passing out I guess which will be exhibit A3 which will describe momentarily so Mr santola um you're not here as an expert but I think it would uh be appropriate for you to describe the board sort of what you uh who employs you what you do for a living and what your role is here this evening sure good evening Mr chairman of the board my name is stepen Santa s n t o l a a business address is 100% Avenue in Fairfield New Jersey I am the Executive Vice President General Council wont properties and I've held that role for 20 years next month um so let me just give you a little bit of a history of the first page of your book if you'll open and the book is entitled what the book is entitled may I just ask if you just have a seat so you're right in Fr the microphone for sure the book's entitled uh 408 US Route 202 R town ship Woodmont re R and redevelop and we're going to mark that as A3 correct yes so Woodmont was created in 1963 we're a little over 60 years old we're New Jersey Centric company do have um Holdings both multif family and Industrial up and down the East Coast our industrial and Warehouse operations are centered here in New Jersey in the Lehigh Valley and in Florida um U like most Builders of our size and age we started out as a track homeb builder and Commercial Flex building uh Builder back in the 60s and over time we grew and grew and grew back in about 2000 um we got into the multif family business doing a lot of downtown redevelopments and in 2010 we created Woodmont industrial um and we've been going at that ever since so we have two basic divisions within the company we employ about 100 60 people mostly in New Jersey but some in Pennsylvania and a few in Florida um I have in front of you just a smattering of some similar projects that we've done recently uh you can see um Allentown Jupiter Florida hop Lawn New Brunswick um sorry raway and South Amboy and South Brunswick um different uh projects that are now complete and uh enjoying some success um so I'll jump right into what we're working on here this evening so let's all just remember lot four is the Big Lot where the BR excuse me Mr Santa do I see it over there are you going to post the chart that we have here so that the people in the room can see it oh you're going through it you are just wait he's going so all the images that are in your book I apologize and should have said that in the beginning we'll you'll be experts will be relying on them later I'm just getting them everybody comfortable we are and what we're what we're accomplishing um so you can flip to the next U the next image so lot four is the old RAR and bronze site proper it was a manufacturing facility containing four main structures two manufacturing buildings a Foundry and a warehouse the site included several smaller structures including two chemical storage sheds and two Supply well pumps all roughly totaling around 130,000 Square fet including the out Parcels the out building um the main plant was constructed in 1957 and the operation was there until the time um it closed in 2009 office operations did continue after 2009 um USB manufactured a wide range of non-f feris metallic powders and metallic pigments for the use in a variety of Industries um including inks and coating and the like um the Redevelopment plan that was discussed earlier from its Inception always included a Ware distribution as part of a lot for um permitted uses lot 501 which is the small lot you can see just to the rear it's easier to see in the book but that's the lot that fronts on Gores Corner Road was zoned similarly so in essence could have been developed as a warehouse or a truck terminal or a hotel or some other uses that were permitted within the Zone um we were looking at acquiring lot 501 for development um the Town Council said to us we have a better idea how about if you keep the trees on lot 501 make it a buffer and don't develop it at all and we we analyzed that and we decided okay we can do that so um we said about ignore and not including development on that site so then we said to the Town Council well how about if we be able to use a driveway out on T VOR Corner Road and the town said how about no so we took the driveway off of bhe Corner Road and all you'll see and I have an image of it for you in a few minutes is an access drive that's actually grass pavers so there's no there'll be no mistake of somebody accidentally driving in it or upper it's it's really you can't tell only your First Responders will know that that's the emergency access path if in fact access off of 202 um was Deni so why I mentioned we were looking at acquiring lot 501 which is the small lot in the back we were also looking at acquiring lot five which is adjacent to us just north on 202 uh who had was the same was the same owner as lot 501 um we approached the municipality about development of that site and we ultimately landed on um donating 55 Acres of that property to the municipality so with the image you have in front of you the cross-hatching on the property next to us um Ong around the school is the 55 Acres you can see down along bhe Corner Road is the um uh the preservation easement so there will be no development ever on lot 5.01 um going forward and then there's the PSG right away that runs down all of it so you can see I think very cleverly the the council created a buffer around the school and a buffer around the church where no development will ever occur in the future because you'll own it um so uh that's what we what we agreed to and that by the way is detailed heavily in the Redevelopment agreement which was a obviously heavily negotiated document um with regard to the 55 Acres we have a subdivision plan ready to be filed so we hope to be back sometime over the summer maybe late in the summer to get the lot divided into the 55 Acres we'll be donating to the town and the front piece up along 202 that will'll be retaining for ourselves so those wheels are in motion um looking at the site plan you turn the page please as I mentioned before um the council was Resolute um in their position that no truck traffic no car traffic would exit onto case Boulevard or VES Corner Road so you can see the access Drive comes directly off of Route 202 um we slid the existing driveway a little bit to the North in order to make the right turn in a little easier and we are also widening 202 in that section just to also make that movement a little simpler uh you can see there's also a fairly long access drive that comes into the to the truck Court just in case we don't ever anticipate of a building this size having more than one truck showing up at once but if they do there's room to q without getting out onto 202 and that would also um benefit the the the road widening on 202 um would allow a truck if it were to need to uh to be on the shoulder and not in the right hand lane um so as the Redevelopment agreement specifies there will be no truck traffic on Vorhees Corner Road or case Boulevard um we will concede right up front that any lease that we execute will include um instructions that no truckers are to take those roads um further I think frankly because you can't access the site from either case or or his corner there's not really a Time Savings to circumvent the site and come all the way back around when you can simply go to the circle and turn around to come back up on 202 North which is the anticipated the anticipated direction that we expect the truck to take and we'll have more testimony on that with our Traffic Engineers um the um trailer parking so we had originally envisioned more trailer parking which you see along the very bottom of the site plan the council wanted us to move that further away from bhe Corner Road so we lowered the number of those I want to make it very clear that those trailer spaces are not designed to add storage space to the warehouse facility they're just for ease of operations so that when if there's need for an empty trailer we don't have to nobody tenant doesn't have to wait to pull for an empty trailer to arrive there's one right on campus if you will um the truck traffic as it comes in will stay to the left there'll be um no trucks will be able to make that right as you come in the entrance Drive the um those are cars only and you can see that's the car parking lot on the western side of the building so the trucks won't even circumnavigate the building they'll only be on the Eastern side facing the PS and easement again that was in the Redevelopment agreement and directed by the council in an effort to uh keep the the truck area Consolidated and minimize any impacts it might have on residential neighbors um moving along also you'll note the Redevelopment plan permitted 60 feet in height uh the council came to us and said Gee that seems awfully tall do you really need 60 F feet in height so we have agreed to reduce that to 49 um uh also the council said Well we'd like to create some more sidewalks in the area um so as as a designated redeveloper uh can you help us with that and we settled on $150,000 donation to be used for one of two things either first responder improvements or sidewalk improvements um in the area um we will have extensive testimony about storm water because I know that was a question that came up as well um and I just want to make sure I covered everything oh so just to be clear this is a state-ofthe-art class A distribution facility um that's really all we build that's what the market demands so it will have esfr sprinklers LED lighting uh clear ceiling Heights it will attract an a tenant and what does that mean an a tenant means a Jobs means a rent so that means a taxes paid for municipality so by getting rid of an old manufacturing facility I don't even know what it you're on the tax rols um you're going to have a class A facility that doesn't manufacture anything um and um will be creating jobs in the area and we return to the tax roles in a very significant manner um I want to walk you through real quickly if I can our architect's going to do the same but can I interrup you for a minute uh with respect to the trailer storage sure could you just clarify will any of those trailers along that outside Lane there will they have will they be storing anything in those trailers will Refrigeration units be running there will be no storage in those trailers a full trailer might pull in while it's waiting for it's appropriate spot but that's really not a store storage issue it's a matter of just running operations um so we don't have tenant locked down yet there is a possibility that there there could be some of those they won't be running all the time they no be keeping anything cold there stored like overnight but if it's waiting to get unloaded theoretically it could have it could be a refrigerated problem thank you thank you it's funny because the market really loves the trailer storage and to us it's much better for any municipality because it avoids any trucks stopping somewhere else or you know pulling over on the side of 202 it creates a whole on-site campus we're a totally self- sustained site um right there so there'll be no impact um from any of the trucks outside of the area so if I can just walk you through a couple of these images if you'll turn the page this is the front door um to the building on the next page is the opposite view um of the same side uh this is a shot and you can look down at the lower right hand corner this will become more relevant in a minute you can see where the image is from this is an image from the corner of the building closest to vor's Corner Road looking up at um the Trap the truck court so if you turn the page one more time you'll see the page entitled 408 US Route 202 um view from for East Corner Road when we were at TRC we were requested to come up with some images of what we what people may or may not see from different locations we've expanded on that for what we're going to show you here tonight so this is the view the top picture is with the building built from bores Corner Road the second image is with the building built As you move north on 202 coming up to the building you'll turn the page uh the next image is the main entrance on 20 looking South you can see the building here as you come down um and then we have the images on the next two pages from bhe Corner Road um this first shot is the shot looking in the emergency access drive and you can see I'm pretty certain if you read the verbiage from the Redevelopment plan the emergency access Drive needs to be heavily buffered and bmed which you can see that we have done here um helping to protect not only the the fact that there is any access from here but also deflects the um the building image as you drive down Bor Corner Road and I think the last page is really the interesting too because the first page you can see 68 bhe Corner Road if you turn the page to the last page of the book you're just moving a few addresses down to 7072 Vorhees Corner Road and you can see the building literally disappearing behind the exist existing buffer that we're preserving through the acquisition of lot 5.01 which is exactly I can tell you what the council intended when they strongly I'll call it encouraged us uh to preserve that property um that is all I have Mr chairman I'm happy to answer any questions board might have just for the record the reference to council was to the township committee yes I'm sorry Mr C are you moving A1 two and three into uh into the record yes anyone have any questions questions just a logistics in relationship to the truck parking area um will the the just as far as from an operation I know you don't know the tenants but will those trucks be coming in be directly associated with those business or they all independent contract and the reason I'm asking is the ability to use the restroom and things like that because that is an issue in other towns when trucks have to roam around to find a place to park to and that is a great Point um I think um we we've had a lot of interest in the building and I know the question is going to come up is it one tenant two tenant three tenants the building's really designed hopefully for 110 it may and it has Provisions that it might be split into two we don't Envision doing any more than that and right now from what we're seeing in the market we feel very comfortable that we'll get a single tenant user before I open my mouth I'm almost positive that we have bathroom facilities in the warehouse so you know you you you'll probably laugh but when we talk about class A 2024 distribution facilities that's kind of new right so there's always the office component has nice clean bathroom to your excellent point the truckers aren't necessarily open so we always have bathrooms in the warehouse that everybody will welcome to use so that they don't have to go to your point to McDonald's and try and park their track or trailer be able to use the recognizing that you don't have a tenant nailed down yet do you anticipate any type of hazardous material storage we don't um preferably as a landlord that's not our first choice of a tenant U but obviously any materials that were to be stored there would have to be stored pursuant the law and I'm sure your office be involved thank you question I don't know if we're on operations or that be later no you can ask hours of operation we don't we don't have a tenant yet the Zone permits 247 I can tell you that most users are not operating in the middle of the night particularly outside the building there may be skeletal staff inside that are getting ready for the next day um but I can't I can't get I don't want to misrepresent any yeah and we're not looking for any relief in that regard so uh we do Envision that it would be a 247 operation heard of Mr Bardo on that but I there's no uh Redevelopment plan is not restricted our operation yeah I could represent and I've consulted with our professionals previously and I'm obviously knowledgeable of our our ordinance that there there is no ordinance that restricts hours of operation in this Zone and that's not something we can as a board impose if the governing body decided that that was not going to be included in either the Redevelopment agreement or the Redevelopment ordinance Mr Santo you commented that there would be no trucks on case Boulevard or on Bor east corner that's correct H what actions do you take or are you taking so that the trucker doesn't make the turn and find themselves on there's what we can do and our and our traffic experts going to address that as well there's what we can do and there's what the municipality do but what we can do is lease mandated right so that it becomes a lease issue if it's not followed and we can also post signs in the truck court that all access to and from the site must be on 202 um the you know I'm sure right now the pro the Town Council theoretically could prohibit all trucks on kids bu just anything over four tons what ever can't beon SP may present a little bit of a problem because you get some deliveries to the high school Pro or to the Middle School rather and then you've got um some moving trucks but those are usually exempt if they're handling local issues so you know that is also a possibility um but again the the site was completely designed around the idea that there would be we don't want and there would be no trucks on case or Bo okay thank you and we're open by the way to any other suggestions that the town the town wanted to prohibit truck traffic on case Bard we would have no objection just to be clear they saw to use a jug candle at CES Boulevard turn around and go the other direction they come out on 202 to go 202 North they're just going to come out Oh you mean to go back south yes okay just to be clear oh no no that's fair and and I assume the traffic person will absolutely have more of that noce chairs question okay all right thank you this is your opportunity if you have any questions from Mr Santa on the testimony that you just heard and I'm talking to the people in the room not the people live streaming just yet so if you have any questions please come on up come to the microphone give your name and address please PA 16 rge Road I'm just going to need you to speak louder as the Sciences speak loud slow and just spell your first and last name and provide your address Paula ENT tuck p a u l a e l l n t u c h 16 rid Road I have a question on that bores Corner property you said you're giving it to the township that's not being developed um I knew that was going to get a little confused they can have it if they want it the piece that's that's is I don't think they want it we're going to be restricted so it's conser it's called the conservation ement so all of the area fronting that we're not using we are using a little bit of it up the hill but all the area fronting on bis Corner Road would be H restricted from in making a lot thank you thank you hello Karen Karen Becker 14 White House way ringos Township the two questions so looking at the drawing on the left hand side that's where the trucks are going to be going in and out is that correct well we're gonna have a they're going to present a traffic expert and and the traff what the traffic expert does the engineer he talks about turning and templates and all of the details that you're interested in and then Mr Troutman over here who's our traffic expert he makes sure that what their traffic expert is saying is correct and if he has any questions about the the the turns and the highway and all of that he he grills them so that's coming okay I I'm sorry I just thought maybe the building didn't have to be that big so um and by the way we also have to make sure that fir truck if it's ever needed that the fire Tru has easy access into that facility Mr has already reviewed those plans but they'll be testimony to that okay and from where I was sitting I thought it was coming in the other way I said enough but I have another question you said the operations would be 247 so my question to you is what will the nighttime spy look like with everything lit up and have you also considered doing any solar rather than just playing electricity great but it could be parking lot um uh outdoor lights um to to a safety level from a regular level let's say you know from 11 until let's not get into lighting because that's going to be your engineer totally and the engineer is going to talk about foot candles and lighting and all of those things so you could as members of the public ask the engineer about all those questions Mr Santa is a lawyer and like me as a lawyer we think we're experts at everything I was just going to say he's not he's not experts at he's not experts at foot candles and lighting no I have a little bit of knowledge of the operations but short of that all right but I would like to see some solar lighting on there so the building will be solar ready 100% and there'll also be EV charger ready um we design these buildings because most of the tenants are are being pressed into a lot of green operations as it is that's good um so all right thank you thank you thank you John uni 129 Locust Court Roberton Township why a n uzii first name John I'm very happy to hear that uh Woodmont is attempting to keep the traffic off of case Boulevard uh my question is what's to prevent the trucks even though you're encouraging not to make the right-hand turn to turn that into a a truck route Cas Boulevard all the way down to the TD bank and make the left to head back to Philadelphia on 202 you're right now there's Tru after it Le yeah there's no consequences I don't know if the planning board would have to recommend to the township committee uh there's hundreds of homes in Sunridge Concord Ridge uh single family dwellings the property Val values and quality of life issues on those residents would be an undo hardship I I completely agree and I want to stress to you that the Town Council that was their utmost determination that we cannot T out we've done what we think will discourage it our expert our traffic expert can talk about whether we can put up a sign that there's no trucks no right hand turn on in case Boulevard um I understand your point which is a good one that it might be an issue leaving rather than coming um but we can definitely talk more about other options yes the the issue would be leaving the premises uh to avoid the circle and the shortest route to 202 would be making the right on the case Boulevard passing the school through four or five developments tearing up the roads there's children there's school buses it's a uh it's a safety concern totally understood and that as you can see from the design that's exactly what we don't want to happen our our traffic expert F like I said I appreciate your concern and wellbeing for the uh residents of the community the reason the SED is is is very attractive to the marketplace because it's on 202 not because it's on right so what I would recommend I don't know if the planning board this is their Authority recommend to the township committee a no truck ordinance uh now your testify okay and and then I have to s in and I don't want to do that violate the law remember I just want to be clear I know it's nobody's usually been here you just ask him questions he ansers them all right very good so when do I get there yes at the endit woman oh mayor yes thank you um what I can say on on behalf of if I could be so bold um our committee at large yesterday at our Township meeting um one of the discussion points for new business um so we discussed this in public was that we look to fund and conduct um for lack of a better terminology basically like a truck routing and and road safety kind of study what that would do at large for our entire Township not just this particular development but we're looking at it for our entire Community is what are the most ideal paths for what we know now is a community where we have passrs but also stopping at certain developments like this one and others that exists today so the outcome of that would be something that we could Implement and we' have to partner with County Roads because any of our roads that touch a county road then we have to involve the county any of our roads the touch of State Road we'd have to work with DOT but the idea is that the outcome would allow us to implement um stronger ordinances and implementation plans that then could be leased right to keep um accountability to the trucks Etc um around ideal routes that we identify so it's a bigger plan it will take time as it always does in Partnership and coordination with County and state um but we believe that's in the best interest of the community not just specific to particular development but for our community at large so that is a plan that we as a governing body intend to conduct to address what we share with you ask sir all right thank you mayor thank you sir and just a side note for anybody you are more than free to come up and take a look at the exhibit that was presented at any time you could take pictures I just had it up there because I couldn't see on the screen and I know you guys couldn't either so please at any time feel free to come up and just take a yes sir hi uh clay Webster 13 Garden Place Township thank you for seemingly to address a lot of our concerns really appreciate it um I have to tell you it was the Town Council Town committee that really drove the bus not that we're out to make any enemies but I have rarely work with a committee that was so strid in protecting his residence I can say that Hest uh I'm responding to something you said about you know you want to not cause traffic uh and it sounds like traffic coming up north on 202 seems like it may be quite good uh I'm wondering what kind of guidance if you are giving guidance you you're obviously telling people not to use this side Ro um trucks coming south bound on 202 how they would you're advising they get access as well as trucks that need to go to South I'm going to take Mr bolo's advice and I'm not a traffic expert but we totally have a truck conversation plan with our traffic engineer and he's going to cover that okay so you don't have any guidance ideas no we we definitely have guidance ideas the the plan would be you'd come South on 202 traffic expert yeah we have a traffic expert who will address that concern tonight yes tonight if we reach yeah we get there long night Rose I'm at 68 G Corner Road we pretty much right across from the we have an image right from your front law exactly so that's what my question is what am I going to see when I walk out my front door how when when so down from you [Music] over the noise if you guys don't mind everybody just has to speak on the microphone especially because there's a lot of people online and in case you guys have the same questions as those online for them to be able to hear the answer and he didn't testify about noise so you can't ask them questions about noise but their Engineers gonna come up and and then with noise and traffic you could do that again he's he's not an [Music] engineer Dr John MCD JN MCD McD n o u 403 Wedgewood Circle in Flemington I'm just having trouble visualizing where is the church the school the old Bank like 202 is on the right which I think everybody thought it was on the left because I thought it was on the left but where are those other buildings located on that map Taylor can I ask you to I apologize the one right before aial big yeah the old aial y second the the computer lags got okay great so here you we're looking we're looking at something entitled 408 US Route 202 riton Township New Jersey that is part of exhibit three that's correct and you can see um 202 runs along the top the on which are we looking at the one on the screen the right on the angle no you're looking at the screen I'm sorry yeah the right on an angle is 202 okay as you get right about to the midpoint of the image you see the old industrial building that was there one of your engineers have a pointer right because I can't really see it I see the I see the hatch marks but I don't so just real quickly because this seems to be a theme here this is 202 this is the old bronze facility this is v e Corner Road and this is uh case Boulevard in this cross-hatching area is the 55 Acres that will'll be donating to the town the circles that you see here is the existing PNG right away and the dotted circles that you see down here um is uh the deed restriction uh where there's where there's no bill right so as I pointed out in my original testimony you could see the church is surrounded and buffer and these are really forever buffers frankly and the school is surrounded in buffer municipality obviously is free to do whatever they want in that 55 Acres that's up to the to to the township committee um so just to get back to original question I apologize this is 202 and this would be the entrance just a little further up to our proposed so that whole bronze complex comes down and that's part of the warehouse so the BR the bronze complex was demolished I'm going to say in 2019 or 20 um and all that's left are footings concrete footings and and found ation it does it include the old Bank on the corner or is that a separate property that's a separate property a a photo bom thank you you're welcome G man oneus Road live in stonate so you talked about par me m a n z living state so we've talked about bhe Corner Road Cas Boulevard but what I haven't discuss is Reading Road because I live in stonate and there are tons of cars that use Reading Road as a five pass to avoid the circle every rush hour in the morning in the afternoon tons of cars go on that so my concern is that the truck driver don't do the same thing that's a not a County right no understood we'll have a traffic expert testify as to traffic that that's not Mr and that goes to my earlier comment we are going to look at our community at large to prohibit things that you all have testified or questioned um at this point um because we share concerns all right thank you well okay let's jump to the people who are live streaming this evening if there is someone who has a question please identify Yourself by name and address and again you can ask questions of Mr Santa's testimony anyone okay there appears not to be so and unless anyone on the board has any objections is exhibit a one two and three now in the record I would agree uh so noted included in the record and just another side note we're just going to have um you know A3 was a few multiple pages so they're going to be just lined up here if you wanted to take a look at them and I also just want to note that even after this meeting has ended the following day or within the next day or two all of the meetings are recorded and they are posted on a YouTube page so if you guys ever need to come back to this you can always come back and rewatch the meeting and a mhone you can and the microphone you [Music] can sir you are so when you get close up do you just identify yourself Meer I'm the project architect okay thank you why is he up here I don't know Mr reer not not now not now well not not now I know John's lost control to me I thought he was one of your experts I was wondering why he was coming to the microphone out of order who's next thank you I'd like to bring Lane of men low engineering who is our project civil engineer Mr chairman and the board thanks for your time thank you thank you Mr Sant Mr L you've already been sworn in so why don't you provide your educational and professional background for the board and advis of any licenses that you hold sure I'm a licensed professional engineer in state New Jersey um I've been with meno engineering for approximately 39 years been a licensed professional in the state of New Jersey probably for about 27 years now and you've testified before boards probably about 100 or so throughout the state of New Jersey thank you acceptable you're a civil engineer yes thank you all right so we respectfully offer him as a professional he's acceptable okay Mr Lane please provide the uh civil engineering aspects of the project all right I'll first start out with just describing a little bit of the existing conditions um the site's 28.668150 pnl power line easement St Anna's Church the east bhe corner road to the South and there's commercial properties and the route 20 Route 202 and east corner intersection moving on to the proposal of the site the site was designed in accordance with the US bronze Redevelopment district and conforms to the both requirements the applicant is proposing a 353,000 foot Warehouse there's 197 parking spaces which will be laid out with hairin striping to the west of the building um with handicap parking and EV spaces um we're also proposing a six foot wide sidewalk that leads from the parking lot to the building with that we're asking for a waiver from the S feet that's required additionally I ask why there is a need for one foot waivers because we're going to have to address that later well this is I there's the typical is six feet from the back curb and this is a very low turnover people come that's it um was that waiver identified earlier I know no I don't believe so this is new no I'm kind of going through what a couple of things that are varant from the ordinance not not the B requirements from the from Redevelopment okay but you hadn't identified that you would be requesting a away not no this is new yeah it was in the it was in the engineer review letter so I'm wanted to bring it up to make sure that we put it on the record again going back to typically there's a six foot um I know what shopping centers there's a lot of cars turn over and stuff like that but this is like so many parks they leave and again it's up to the board's preference if they want to we can just leave it at the standard six feet or if they want to go to sevenet but we're asking for that W I think you're better off just doing NE foot and eliminating one of your waivers yeah okay um okay so that waiver is eliminated I saw Mr santola indicating Ascent to the increase from 6 feet to 7 feet thank you for that concession um additionally where we have our EV parking spaces um there's two charging stations that sit beyond the the front yard setback so for that with a u an accessory use that would fall in accessory use so we need a a variance from that on on the setback you need a waiver W wer got to watch your don't say okay so they're good they don't even need a wave they don't need a okay our planner Miss called while was Indica Jeff and then also rise ordinance where access all right so you're you're good so two of the things you were needing relief on are now gone it's getting better um sure louder after that the building was uh set up to place the loading and trailer parking space as we indicated on the east side along the stream Corridor um that was set up so it was away from the residence with that we have 59 loading docks two Drive IND doors and 61 trailer spaces access to the site you got 36 doors what's we want to get the numbers right it's not 59 it's 59 59 loading dots 36 is what Mr Santa said right and the others are banked 36 doors loading positions okay all right good just want to be clear thank you that's from the right and why why don't you explain when you talk about everyone in the audience is going to know what 36 doors are why don't you explain what what a loading position is when you say you have 59 load positions your engineer really should do that okay so you you do that it's an operational okay why don't you go through that so there's there's um 56 loading positions here and 36 of them will be equipped with a dock door at the outset um and then what's known as a knockout panel will be in the others so that if in fact the tenant wants to add three five seven more doors they have the ability to do that but I think the committee was thinking you know maybe you don't need all these these loading position I mean these dock doors right out of the box so it's almost like banked parking for the for the planning board so you're presently proposing 36 doors corre and and how many knockout oh that's my public school math 59 36 uh 23 KN okay so there could potentially be and it's allowed under the ordinance 59 correct that's correct doors that's correct and and and then you have 59 loading positions correct got it thank you apologize for the confusion okay um act access to the site is from a route 202 driveway which is 40t wide as it comes into the site um as mentioned before there's also an emergency access add on to warhe Corner Road for emergencies only um there's adequate on-site circulation for trucks and emergency vehicles and developer will be providing way finding signs on site to make sure that everyone's uh and that emergency access you know and and and again we all know what haers and Greenery are why don't you describe that a little bit so somebody looking at it from B road is going to know what that emergency access for the vehicles looks like yeah um the fire the fire marshall look wants it to be 20 feet we had it 18 ft on the plans so most likely what it'll be is it's either gravel underneath Gra grass or it's concrete blocks with grass going in between so it almost just looks like a grass path that's going to be like 20 ft wide and leading into the site and that has no capacity to Bear the weight of a tractor trailer truck does it just well it will for emergency vehicle so I have to have some support on it but we can gate it we sign it um you know make sure that no one goes in and out and again it's only if the main driveway is blocked off there's another means of being able to get typically the the PRI department and people have a a key or something and there's a gate there so trucks can't get through it corre only emergency access people correct okay thank you that'll Lo lock box or what do that knock box knock box there you go thank you does it if it's gravel or the stone does that change the calculation from previous coverage the kind of material that's used for that drive no no because they prob will be below grade or it it's count of as perious because it's it's sewn uh with grass on top so it actually does allow for water per me through storm water purpos it's we we don't have a gate proposed there but if you want to condition the approval on us putting in in KNX box we're happy to do that yeah well the fire department would prefer there being some type of means to prevent unauthorized access through there VI it a gate or some type chain secured by a noox padlock Mr khanon we all know who you are but maybe you would introduce yourself to members of the public my name is Dennis conanan and I serve as the RAR and Township Fire Marshal and the engineer was previously speaking that's the township and board engineer so we'll agree to put in a a chain with a a knoxbox and we'll confer with your engineer that there's agreement so if approved that'll be a condition of approval continue okay uh continuing on um we're also prop proposing a 90 square foot sign out by the driveway along rout 202 approximately 6 feet high by 15 ft wide um we also we mentioned as the the permits that we had received uh for land use for flood Hazard Wetlands our water quality our hun County soils certification water construction permit Etc moving on to the storm water under our existing analysis uh we have approximately 10 acres of the site draining towards Route 202 approximately 3 and a half acres that go towards vhe Corner Road and approximately 8 Acres that go to the east down towards the stream Corridor under our proposed conditions we're looking to reduce the flow out to Route 22 down to 7 Acres 1 and A2 acres to vhe Corner Road and 13 ACR which will be shifted around from from the building and and loading area there'll be 13 acres that go down to the stream with that the drainage area as I mentioned out the war East cor Road has been reduced by approximately two acres it's been cut in half and there's no new impervious that's draining off out into that direction the drainage onto 202 has been reduced by three acres and is also being routed through two bio retention basins um one to the uh west of the building and one to the north of the building along 202 those are there to help reduce the flow um provide water quality and those storms are being reduced from the 100 Year to the two-year storm by approximately 50% to 59% also in those basins we've got substantial plantings to help with the water quality we have at least 250 shrubs and approximately 600 ground covers with within each one of them on the drainage to the east to the stream Corridor while that area has been increased that takes the build all the buildings going towards there majority of the loading areas discharging into there and we're constructing a constructed uh Wetlands Basin uh that's that's been designed to provide from the 100 down to the 2-year Storm from anywhere from 40% to 77% on the reductions of of peak flows uh the loading area because it's a surface runoff they're directed through two through five new aquaponic water quality treatment devices which will be uh which will treat the water before it discharges into destruc the wetlands with that we have non-structural strategies that are provided with our design where Disturbed areas uh have will be permanently stabilized with soil Rosen standards soil Rosen standards we minimize impious surfaces by meaning the minimum standards for driveways and parking stalls we retain existing trees where feasible we maintain existing drainage patterns we minimize soil compaction we selected native plantings and will mulch Landscaping beds to retain moisture and then we also provided the new current Echo standard catch basins to prevent Source control okay what might be helpful and I apologize for interrupting we we take storm water management extraordinarily seriously and we especially do with that corner and we've had a number of conversations and earlier meetings on this Mr dar's report specifically deals with a listing of questions specific the storm water and other things but you're on the storm water topic so can you please address your comments in relation to Mr Dar let me do this foring the benefit of members of the public there there are State and and Township requirements regarding storm water because when an applicant builds something it can't be that the adjoining properties get flooded so they they have to they have to submit a very lengthy storm water management report you can see see this thing it looks almost like an encyclopedia and that goes over to our engineer we don't take this as gospel and our engineer has to review that report and then he comments and asks questions about that report so what Mr gettings our chairman was just about to get to was to have them answer our Engineers questions so just to let you know the process we all know it but I'm just showing you what we do up there thank you and I I just also respectfully ask if there's any of the we have the we have the benefit of seeing the plan sheets for the stormw management were you going to put up any uh exhibits or the sheets that were provided that show the storm order management facilities that you're talking about is it in the site plan in the site plan package yes just give me a couple minutes and I can pull it up okay because I I think that would be helpful when you're talking about the location of the different storm waterer facilities and the bio retention to be able to point those out and even if you use that or something else it's helpful to the public okay rendering might be your best bet the plan have a bunch of lines rendering might be that's so again I'm gonna direct you to Mr dar's report storm water section number 43 on down so I think can you but maybe but maybe if you could start by just in the context of that yeah just maybe review what you just told us verbally about the storm water by pointing things out on that uh display yeah okay so the area that's draining towards 202 we have a bio retention Basin along 202 which is this highlighted area here and also to the west of the building there's a second bio retention Basin discharge from the parking lot some of the some of the loading and front impervious is going to tie into these two basins they will tie into the route 202 system and go out under across 202 the building and a majority of the uh loading area will come into the proposed constructed wetlands and that will discharge down into the stream Corridor that flows down out to the to the north away from uh the bhe corner and 202 intersection the drainage area that I was mentioned is we were having three and a half acres that was going to go towards under existing conditions goes towards Vorhees Corner Road this area now gets cut off and directed down into the constructed Wetlands so this area is much reduced that comes out of the Vorhees Corner okay thanks for the overview [Music] thanks okay so so again I'd go back to Mr dar's report okay because he's got specific questions yeah I had I had a conversation earlier with with uh that's fine in the record yeah I mean do you want to go through item by item or is it something that we to go through the storm report it by it it wants to go through mr's report the storm water section item by item theing and dra also section before it start let's start with the storm water then we go I agree with you page six of 10 I'm just gonna keep this up on the screen just for now that's page six of 10 number 43 so it's the the Bold area it looks as though the a lot of the type is sort of descriptive uh it looks as though the the Bold type is uh asking for storm water calculations to be provided you you'll provide those yes B the applicant proposes to use utilize two small scale retention basins and five GI manufactured treatment devices to provide water quality uh it's an observation but can you just Enlighten the board and the public as to what that means and why that's beneficial yeah you have to remove total suspended solids so with the bio retention basins that settles that out where you need to meet the 80% um we have more than that based with the bio retentions and then additionally before we go into the construct the wetlands uh we have these uh manufactur treating them in devices which are the aquaponics to help provide that water quality C Mr chairman appears to be an acknowledgement that the uh existing and proposed conditions are maintained which satisfies the requirements under njac 7 colon 85.4 b1i similarly on D it looks as though that uh there's an acknowledgement that the applicant meets the requirements for green infrastructure by the use of the uh proposed bio retention basins and Manufacturing treatment devices uh but that the sizing should be reviewed to determine if these have been sized to meet storm water requirements uh for the proposed project and we don't have any objection to that correct no objection so that that could be a condition or we would that be a condition or something that we would provide in connection with revised claims either way we condition fine okay whatever it needs to be yeah that that's something we can we can um review as part of should the board act favorably as a condition approv yes yes absolutely um number 44 I think we went through this and and we we said okay it says a direct entry time of concentration of six minutes is used frequently throughout the storm water model there's no longer a minimum or default value that may be used for the time of concentration TC for the pre- and post construction conditions must be calculated based on the requirements explained in in sites of Regulation we're we're okay with that yeah we can provide that we'll provide that um and uh same with the 45 and 46 correct apply what they're looking for a clarification on 45 um if you and it I guess goes with the other um areas where you're willing to update your storm water report will that substain will these updates or revisions substantially change the design of the storm water management system or the ability of the site to hold the storm water it'll it may have to increase the basins but everything that you see here will same locations and stuff like that just may they may need to be a little bit larger and again with with existing conditions go up proposed conditions go up so we would have to take a look at it but I don't anticipate the design changing any Mr Mr Lane and I did discuss that earlier uh today and there may be some minor modifications that need to get made to the drain Basin to make them a little larger maybe hold a little bit more but uh the substance of of the of the site plan we we wouldn't anticipate to change okay thank you and we'll we'll provide the hydrographs referenc in number 46 yes um and in number 47 can you address that yeah we'll update the calculation and the time of concentration for the water quality devices okay and number 48 with regard to the aquaponics can you address uh the comments there this does this relate to water quality in the loading areas yes yeah it relates to the the sizing um I think the the method that was used to calculate the flow it was a rational method and I think they they say that you should use you shouldn't use ra method but I don't again I don't think uh the the model or the sizing might change but the location would stay the same so it won't make a substantive or appreciable change as far as the site plan and Par goes the unit might have to get a little larger possibly you're willing to we AG that yes yeah yes we'll provide those calculations yeah same thing um we we're willing to provide the information required in number 49 correct yes um same with number 50 correct yes we'll separate up the analysis and you'll do the revised calculations s for number 51 correct yes we'll provide the calculations being requested in 52 yes are you add the note on the plan is requested in 53 [Music] yes um 54 says it's recommended to inspect um the existing pipe to determine its condition were you clear as to what pipe exactly was being referred to there yeah that's actually the pipe that crosses under 206 the up sorry 202 uh the the storm management basins uh are discharged to that existing pipe what we're asking is that might be inspected in video to make sure it's in good condition we'll do that correct yes was excuse me wasn't there also a question on the adequacy of that pipe is that a part of part of the investigation AB the environmental commission the applicant did provide calculations Mr chairman I apologize uh to to verify that the capacity of the pipe is sufficient as long as the condition and of the type is you know is good and and I think and and and those calculations were used in order to obtain our D permits correct the do the do do right so so that's a uh is it fair to say that that's a DOT jurisdiction there well I mean the Township's I mean you're you're discharging water through there and I don't know that the do really cares all that much we want to make sure the pipe's in good shape okay so we'll we'll take a look um Mr chairman 55 56 and 57 we we will satisfy as conditions of approval and just for the Public's benefit is providing things like BMP manuals operations and maintenance manuals and the like which is you know I think sort of boilerplate stuff which we'll we'll do and I think that kind of concludes the storm water portion of of the letter question yeah so I got a the retention or detention Bas where does their water go to the front the back each one as it starts seeping down the on the bio retention basins there's if you look at those in cross-section there's about two feet of soil so the water's got to trickle through there then it goes through six inches of sand and then it falls into gravel and then there's an under drain So eventually the water after it slows it down it trickles down it gets to the under drain and then it'll go to the outlet structure and then discharge Downstream the larger flows once it gets in those bio retentions above 78 Ines it goes to an outlet and then it you know it'll act as a regular detention Basin then and go down and those two basins go towards 202 up in the front and then the uh the big question not an engineer but if we have nine inches of rain in four hours what happens to the intersection 202 will that be better well well from our standpoint because in the analysis like like I had mentioned we were looking at three and a half acres from our analysis that were going in that direction we've now cut that down to one and a half acres and we're not sending any impervious coverage out in that direction so we're we're cutting that drainage area going in that direction by half by more than half is it true that any of the part sorry is it true that any of the parts that you're actually developing are being rerouted to your detention basins and things and it's parts of your site that AR AR being touched that are still going that direction we're still following the same pattern there's drainage area that goes a 202 there's drainage area that goes out the Vorhees and then there's drainage area that goes down towards the stream Corridor the only drainage area that was increased is the area that's going to the the the stream Corridor that's why we have the large constructed detention The Wetlands Basin and that's because we're bringing the whole building roof into there so you have to shift a little bit area but ideally where you want to bring the drainage is down to that stream Corridor which away from that intersection it comes down a low spot has the width to be able to handle it we have this large Basin that'll reduce the flow over time so that's the only area that's been increased in area but it's definitely but it's been reduced in the rate of volume that's that comes out of it into that stream Corridor and where does that Stream flow toward that goes to the north goes back under 202 further further uh down to the East and then eventually makes it way out to the Ron River I believe is there development is there development over there that could be potentially [Music] impacted on that side thank you okay also in the engineering report there's a section right before the one that we just addressed grading drainage and utilities can you just address those please yeah that's in the engineering report that's on page five of 10 yes sir starting with bullet 32 so there isn't any plan to disturb that easement correct that's a that's a municipal easement yeah there's a conservation easement where the where the stream runs through so we're looking to bring our outfall our rip wrap head down into that so that we have a positive uh drain Outlet towards there I guess my question that's is that an existing easement or is that a proposed that's an existing that's an existing so you are disturbing within that easement for your storm out yes I guess the question is how how do you I guess how does that mechanism work where where do you get the approval to that would you have to petition the C committee for that I believe in the document it said approval by the township planner if I remember correctly you you're referring to the Redevelopment agreement so it's in there no to what to what that easement that that actually easement the language in the easement itself that was created whatever je Jeff what year was that e it's the microphone when we're talking about that conservation e can we describe have it here I don't have that off the top of top my head I I think we're talking about an easement from March of 1990 1990 even I wasn't here representing RAR in then I think we should probably confirm that yeah why don't we why don't we do that at the next hearing because we're obviously not going to finish tonight yeah we'll confirm so uh someone can uh circulate that and we could we could decide what what needs to be done with that issue okay [Music] thanks all right and uh just going through there again I mean 33 this uh will provide the uh Sprout grades correct yes same in 34 correct correct we'll provide the labels required in 35 correct yes and the diameter material length and the various information that's being requested there correct correct um and uh the cleanouts will be depicted you'll revise the plans to provide for that correct yes and 37 will also comply with the request there correct yes we'll add manhole in between uh and again Mr chairman all the comments 38 through 42 we will comply with the uh requests of of the board engineer great and we'll sort out whether that will be done by as part of sort of plan modifications or if necessary uh conditions of approval but none of the uh comments in in the letter are objection okay so I'm going to take to the environmental Commission report because there were several comments on storm water there as well folks this sometimes gets very tedious and there's a lot of detail but it's important and you all know why it's important with that corner four heast corner and 202 and uh that's why it's important to have all the details down so you have the environmental okay I guess we we have so in number one it says that the area currently floods in heavy rains and the soil permeability rates are very low storm water calculations should be based on new Inland flood requirements but that's that's not correct is that right I mean based on our approval from the P we use the storm water calculations that were allow the permit so um new Inland flood we'd have to rerun the calculations which we but we're not required to in other words we have our D permits based upon the calculations that were required of us at the time correct correct okay so that's not something that would apply to us number two a portion of the site discharges Direct into an 18 inch drain that runs under 202 I presume that's the drain that we were talking about a moment ago um is the is the drain big enough to handle the Overflow either way approval is needed from do to do this I that's why I thought that this was something that was really do jurisdiction board wants to know sort of what the condition of the pipe is we've agreed to to do that investigation to determine what the condition of the pipe is so we'll do that right correct okay um number three says it's difficult to tell locations from the test pit map the soil testing shows refusal at a majority of test test pits at 4 feet or less how will the proposed infiltration Basin to a specified depth of between 141 to 143 ft be reached when the elevation of the site is mainly 150 ft can you address that yeah um these aren't infiltration basins usually that just water that perks down into the ground these are bio retention basins which have a I mentioned before about the soil section and then the sand and the gravel and they go to under drains and drain out so there is no technically infiltration here it infiltrates through till till it reaches that outlet pipe and then drains out so these are bio retention Basin not infiltration Basin just clarification there going back to two I if the video camera of the um drain that goes under 202 if there is anything needs remediation who oversees that how what is the process of reforce of action yeah the drain are clogged or the pipe is damaged then you don't have adequate flow just assuming that fine but what if it's not what happens so typically if there is an issue with that 5 that 22 the applicant would would be responsible for fixing that and they would have to depending on the type of repair they would have to seek the permission from from do to do that or so they have to fix it but do has to approve them fixing it yeah depending on the if they have to open up the road do have to proove that we'll we'll agree to do all that yeah most repairs are can be done without opening up the road you get you can get in there with with trenchless repairs cut any roots line the pipe if necessary I'm sure that the appin will do everything necessary to not have to deal with DOT if the pipe if the pipe needs repair the applicant will agree to make the repair as a condition of approval even but okay hold on I'm confused they're responsible to fix the pipe even if the pipe isn't on their property yes okay that's all I want to know okay I know still um Point number four is that uh deals with green infrastructure we do have the comment from the board engineer that the project complies with the with green infrastructure and um we already have our flood Hazard permit issue I don't know what else there is to say about uh number four and number five that they're recommending off-site hydraulic analysis due to the frequent flooding that occurs um but again I think this is something that D has reviewed as part of the flood Hazard application is that correct correct and that flood Hazard permit has been granted by the D already so that has been reviewed uh and has been approved by the D as evidenced by the flood Hazard uh permit that referenced at the beginning of the Mee um there were traffic concerns not by the environmental commission which we would respectfully uh request be deferred for the traffic expert uh and then there are other concerns that uh I think kind of may or may not pertain to the engineer so let's go through it um other concerns number one is we should verify the analysis of closure samples from the underground storage tank we to confirm the contamination has been successfully removed uh again that's at the EP I think jurisdictional issue is that correct yes but did you get uh in your documentation it talks about you're waiting for receipt of a final site remediation yeah well and I guess maybe you guys have someone that will give a rundown on on how the ration process works for like I I don't want to speak for the appli there there is a process by which the appin has to hire license site remediation professional to oversee remediation of the project site if there's contamination found does remedial action work plan that's developed and then once that's followed there's a auction outcome that's filed by the lsrp to the D and that's sort of a separate and parallel track to what what the board is dealing with here yeah I was just because you're one I believe it was the e or one of the reports talked about the tank removal and that you were waiting for final right in my short Trend I would call it a clean letter if that that you're thinking you're thinking of no further action letter yeah right but they don't they don't issue no further action letters anymore it's basically a remedial action outcome that the lsrp issues to the DP and the DP proves that so so this is something there there will be I'm sure Mr Bardo will have in his resolution uh a comment that we have to to comply with all laws candidly this is not an issue that this board has jurisdiction over this is a d jurisdictional issue and we will have to comply with the all of the issues that relate to the DP totally agree I was just because part of your documentation submitted to the board referenced this process yep and the site clean up and left hanging this issue of the tank so I was just we don't have jurisdiction I was just we're also we're also letting the public know that any issues with respect to Prior underground tanks and contamination have to and will be addressed if not overseen by this board but the state njde correct and they and they are that is absolutely correct okay good that's good to know very correct um two infiltration basins uh are not to be used on contaminated soils hold on a second sorry before you jump ahead the fact that it says um that from the environmental commission they have seen copper stained shell still visible how does that affect their like yeah is that under that or is it something that the township has to address don't know well it's really a question for our engineer yeah sorry sure yeah sure is it a d issue or anything having to do with remediation is the D issue uh the uh if the site is a contaminated site the the applicant isn't allowed to uh do anything that involves infiltration of St water to make it sort of um you know uh spread I guess contamination the appin um storm motor actually doesn't propose that so the storm lost how it was relating yeah so I think that's the next comment that uh that they that they were getting to is you can't the the regulations don't allow infiltration in on a contaminated site the applicants not proposing infiltration they're they're actually proposing uh a filter more or less for lack of a better term the basins that they have are are filtering the water and then they have under drain that actually takes that St mot away so it doesn't actually get into into the ground okay thank you thank you for the clarification okay I think that kind of covers one and two unless anybody has anything additional on that um we're not going to prepare an air quality analysis again we don't know who the tenant's going to be and the township committee has made the determination that the use is uh not only appropriate for the site but has been legislated to be permitted uh for the site uh again the applicant and it's ten will have to be have to U comply with all state federal laws with respect to the operation of the site uh number four listed Rose varieties in the landscape plan are non-native and should be replaced with Native varieties um Bill you want to address that we have no problem changing them to we have no objection to that um we just we would work with you know your landscape architect to you know comply with their comments but conceptually there's no no problem with that um if approved it's their understanding that the developer will purchase uh adjacent lot 40 lot 5 to be donated to the town I I think that Mr Santa addressed that in his uh comments uh whether or not the partial is subject to Green Acres Dean restriction is not not an issue for this uh for this board and certainly not within the control of the applicant uh that's that's a not an issue for for either of us here um and I think it was just to get it on everyone's radar yeah no understood I with respect to to five it's um I think we addressed that yeah I know I mean the township committee decides whether it will or will not be subject to Green Acres right we're just donating the property verbage infers that it would be your determination it would be the governing body yeah it's not we're not going to decide as a planning board you're going to work that out with the township committee correct um and uh and then I think we addressed the community solar project on the roof for warehouse it would be solar ready I think Mr Santo indicated so um so that's it I mean I I think the Su There's a summary here but it doesn't go over anything anything new so so you can go back to the engineering report okay so where would you like to pick up on on the engering go back to the engineering report see waivers that's a good suggestion why why don't we go over the waivers on page two there's four listed waiver number one um I think we're GNA I think we can agree to remove that waiver right yes yeah so we're going to we're going to comply one you much we're going to comply with number one okay so waiver number one is right I want my engineer here we can provide the haint yeah so that's no longer needed okay by my count one two and three are actually eliminated Elin I can't hear I'm sorry I apologize one and two are eliminated yeah two was two was the sidewalk you're going to go from six feet to seven feet so you no longer need a waiver on two do they recalculate uh yeah there will be they'll have to that's not going to put them over it won't it won't make a significant impact based off the overall percentages but they will Rec you still need to rec it yes what about three um Bill what about three yeah I mean we're 3.88 to where four is required we're like right there but based on where we can actually Place lights on the building we're asking for that di Minimus waiver um really if you round up it's really four um so we're hoping that we can apply for that waiver uh there's more than adequate light out there I I don't have an objection to to the waiver the idea is uh we we have that the ratio requirement so that you don't get hot spots and and and and cold spots for like a better ter for lighting and given that they're just about close to where they need to be I don't have objection to the waiver right and the way we decide waivers is whether the grant the waiver is reasonable under the circumstances and you believe as absolutely Mr okay so we only had one waiver and the board at the end will decide whether obviously to grant that but our engineer has recommended yep understood Mr chairman where would you like to what would you like us to address next well I think we skipped over these General comments that should be really quick some of the answers to these questions so I I think we've provided testimony with regard to the hours and days of operation um we don't have a tenant uh at the moment so we can't sorry clarification is it seven days a week five days a week I know we heard 247 in terms of hours but with respect to yeah that that's what's permitted so we essentially with respect to all of these we will operate within the confines the guard rails as it were of the of the Redevelopment I don't believe there was best specificity to number of employees for this size project well but there are parking requirements so we we're going to have to comply uh with the uh with the parking requirements and I think you know the Redevelopment plan was probably Bill wanted to testify to have the Redevelopment plan was was uh conceived with regard to the number of employees but as was testified to by Mr Santa it was envisioned that this would be a one or perhaps two teneted uh building correct yeah and so yeah the the uh Redevelopment plan talked about the amount of square foot one space per it was like 1900 square feet so I believe it was like 186 spes we're at 197 so we're more than Ade adequately parked for a building of size the end there's no issue on the parking spaces right no all there's and frankly the The Hairpin striping thing that's typically something you see at like supermarkets and where you have shopping carts so I don't have an objection but if that wants to do hairpin that's fine but they don't fine with that too um and Bill if you can address number six yeah um the the uh the rways for the power companies on site the ones along the uh stream Corridor to the east those are going to remain in place anything up above along to the West those were uh rways that or right away easements that that satisfied uh the electricity to the US bronze facility so those um I don't know if say we can probably have vacated but I know that the applicant has been in discussions with them to allow what we're looking to put out here because they've seen these plans and and okayed them just for the record it's jcpnl okay we've heard PS and G tonight we've got ncpn L the right answer is JC jcpl all right that's why you're the chairman all right bill number seven this has to do with that lease area in the bottom right bottom right corner is this this is for the cell tower for the tower yeah yeah yeah we have they have an easement there and they have an access easement so their access easement comes off the cell tower follows their same path it will have to be altered at the main driveway so but other than that they're still going to have access in there but we'll have to alter that at the main driveway entrance right and I think all we're asking is the reconfiguration any extinguishing of easements that that those documents be provided to the board uh attorney and other Professionals for yeah of course we'll we'll do that as a condition of approval he Bill the purpose of the easement located within the Vorhees Corner Road is that the uh what the county asked for yes the county asks for a maintenance easement where their Crossing is okay and uh we will comply with uh with number 10 correct correct uh and number 11 uh will will comply with as well I think was recommended there'll be a lot consolidation I think there'll also be a subdivision uh forthcoming as well that can all get done as part of that one application yeah okay yep uh number 12 the truck circulation plans uh I think we we've agreed to do that correct correct we're still G to hear the traffic expert testimony that's correct uh there's a letter from the Fire Marshall we should probably review separately uh number 14 will comply with that we will obviously uh agree to meet all noise requirements defined by the which we're required to do with regard to you want me to keep going Mr chairman I why don't we keep well I tell you what it's 10 to9 why don't we take a 10-minute Break um and then pick up at the site plan comment okay thank you okay thank you Mr chairman okay on site plan number 16 Mr chairman uh we will agree with uh with that comment we will comply number 17 we will comply and we note that the uh dot access permit is pending um number 18 uh bill will ask you to address numbers 18 and 19 yeah we provide the uh correct number of EV uh and accessible spaces right now because the the applicant is hoping to have one tenant we set everything up for Ev and handicap spaces at the office which is up in that Northwest location if there are two tenants then we will agree to split and put them over at the other side of the uh building where the we have a shown for a potential office and number 19 is that is that you or the architect looks like a bit of a cleaner but yeah have a light right next to the dumpster um there's the light set back far enough that the swing of the door should be fine I I don't see any issues with it there if there not that there is we definitely could slide that around a little bit or move the dumpster over yeah I think that's uh number 20 uh that kind of goes along with like the EV and the handicap spaces right now if there's one tenant we're anticipating only one uh enclosure um if we have a second tenant we'll definitely look to put one on the other side of the of the loading area um so we we can accommodate that but right now we're looking to just do the one so just I'm sorry Mr chairman real quickly on on both those items would it be um your request that that should you have two tenants that you would submit a plan to the township Engineers office for like an administrative approval on that'd be good yes I mean if the board's okay with that I guess the the essence of it is if they have two two tenants the EV and Ada spaces with should be split up because it's a fairly large site something like that doesn't necessarily um as long as there's no relief required something like that I think is something that could get approved administratively by by my officei same with the trash enclosure yeah both a second absolutely all three sorry EV Ada and the trash have to be submitted to the p as well yeah it would actually be through the township it would get submitted to Taylor Who's The Boss and then it we're we're we're amable to that no problem uh we will provide the dimensions uh I'm on 21 we will agree to provide the dimension showing the setback um it is recommended we will comply with number 22 and and candidly Mr chairman uh we will comply with numbers 23 through uh 30 none of those comments are objection to the applicant sidewalk you took care of 31 you took care of yeah that's already done you just said 23 to 30 31 the balance of the comments we have no no no issue with the B of complying with the balance of the comments I apologize if I misspoke and said 30 I should said 301 that's sry um I think we've already covered uh grading and drainage we've covered stor management think we're on landscape lighting 58 uh landscape lighting so if you want to hold that for we can hold that for now yep uh soil erosion uh build you want to handle those yeah we can add the temporary stock pile area 61 we already discussed 61 part of storm water and I think Bill we' indicated internally that we're agreeable to comments 62 through 67 is that correct correct we have no no objection there we've addressed the other you addressed permits permits and other approvals that concludes the uh the engineers report okay good are there any other board questions for Mr Lane in that testimony no okay I'm going to kick it out to the people in the room if you have any questions for Mr Lane on the testimony you've heard with respect to any number of engineering related items now would be the time to come on up to the microphone and again give your name and address I'm sorry you will have to restate it just so it's on the rec Karen Becker 14 White House way so I have environmental concerns so one of the things that you had mentioned you had asked about before was the solar you're saying it's solar ready so who is actually resp responsible for setting getting the solar installed is that the the tenant or the Builder let me defered Mr Santa on that so so typically you want to do solar on the roof of a building like this but if a tenant so certain tenants It's tricky to do depending on what the load is that they're accepting so I don't want to make the promise to you because I don't know 100% but the goal would be to be solar ready for reason because we would like to do solar on the roof um but that decision has to be made hand inand with the user okay so there's no guarantee that it there's no guarantee right um and then I have a question about the Inland flooding so you said that the permits were granted prior to the new laws so could you let us know what the difference would be and would there be any way for you to um change the way that you're going to do the construction and deal with the Inland flooding issues to accommodate the new the laws the new laws that have been set well we're we're not going to we're we're going to comply with the laws that are applicable to the project we're not going to do more than that that's what the project has been designed to and that's what's required under the law um so that's that's what we're going to do in terms of a comparison I I don't know how to answer that I don't know if you can even answer that question but we don't believe that that's a really not a relevant question well I do well it it's it's it's not so there are new guidelines and I understand that when your permit was issued the old guidelines were in place so I'm asking you as the expert what are the differences and is there any way that you can accommodate what you're doing to fit into the new guidelines you're talking about D permits correct yeah I mean we're not we're not we don't have jurisdiction over understand that but that they they have to comply with what D requires them to comply with no more no less right and we did that so and and as long as they have D approvals we have no jurisdiction over that so even if they would like to go above and beyond what's required they don't it's their application their application is to comply with Township ordinance standards and under Section 22 of the municipal land use law they're responsible for obtaining any and all outside approvals including from D if they get an outside approval from D we we have no jurisdiction to challenge that approval so if it floods like crazy we just have to De that they testified that it's it's not going to flood like crazy and I I think your engineer can go over it again Mr igino but under the standards when you and I'm not an engineer when you design a storm water management system it has to equal or make better the current situation correct I'm going to defer that to my engineer I'll defer that to our board engineer and and ask him what his analysis of the storm water management report is whether it's going to equal or make the make the the current situation with respect to drainage and flooding batter sure um yeah the the requirements that that are in place that that uh required to to comply with uh state that the stormor that's running running off of the site has to be the peak rate has to be reduced by certain factors for the two-year storm is 50 reduction in rate uh for the 10 year it's a 25% and for the 100 years it's a 20% reduction they do meet that that requirement they're they're required to reduce the de rate but that's actually what flooding what flooding is you know the main factor in flooding is the rate at which water is leading the site so they're they're basically holding water on their site and then allowing and allowing it to to run out off their site at a controlled rate to control that so that that they meet those requirements just to answer your question and I think Mr L probably answer it too uh the the the change in uh the in the rules was that the D now as of recently requires that applicants calculate the projected flows from uh basically the year 2100 um so there are factors that that they multiply the current rate five but it's not that you hold that water that from the projected flow it's actually you have to calculate what the runoff is if your existing condition experience that one that projected flow and then what your proposed condition experience that projected flow so you're not you're not the requirement isn't to hold some extraordinary amount of runoff based off the future storm it's actually to make sure that you're comparing the impact on that projected storm in both conditions right and I know that the requirements had changed I was just asking if they would accommodate changes because we we've have terrible flooding there it's it's really bad I know you're not you know don't live here but that's it's been very bad at that area so if there's any way to accommodate that look into that be appreciate it and then can I just interrup on that so just so you understand we went back and forth about 4,000 times and finally Gott what we do Under the rules that were in play then right we didn't know what the new rules were going to say public comment said okay ask us go back and open up that per and go back through the months and months that you together and certain you're not familiar with do that so that's that's the issue so we're not trying to you know I think you've seen us be very Cooperative with the committee and with the board and we just can't be asked to throw away that months and months of work with d and start over again when we're not reiring so and I understand that but I but I'm asking if you have to you know go this deep by the permit that you you know when you appli but now you're able to go deeper whatever you have to do or higher to accommodate flooding do you have to ask them and if it's just making it better okay um and I just would so who do we talk to with G there name that that we could go back to to ask questions we as a public to ask who we work with it's just not under our jurisdiction and we need to move the meeting along okay anyone else yeah sure John M 122 Featherbed Lane Clemington actually very Township I think the engineer talked about parking spaces yes how many parking spaces are going to be 197 and how many are going to be handicap I believe there's eight is that the requirement by the state yes I think it's a little low thank [Music] you our board engineer is indicating they comply with the state handicap requirements thank you welcome sir yes my name's Andrew Cur HDML Drive Flemington excuse me K RZ uh and so my question has to do with the uh building itself um I'm aware that the bronze facility contaminated for quite a number of years there have been a number of explosions on the property uh what steps are being taken for remediation and or if it is already remediation what guarantee that is there that there's still nontoxic materials on the ground that will be released during the construction well again those kinds of issues are are not within the jurisdiction of the board there is an lsrp um and there's that's that's you know let's let's let's do this why don't we explain we realize contamination isn't within the jurisdiction of the board why don't we explain what a Mr board engineer explain the process what an lsrp is what that person has to do how the person has to certify whether if he certifies wrong things he loses his license or her license and how the NJ DP reviews that process so we could give the public some level of shity than any contamination out there at this site and we all know what was manufactured there will will be cleaned up according to State Standards certainly so when when a site is is is found to be contaminated the owner of the property actually is required to retain uh a professional who's whose licensed that's what lsrp stands for licensed Cy mediation professional and it's that individual's job then they have a license and they're obligated to uh evaluate the property develop a uh do all the testings required to determine what the contamination is what the extent of the contamination is and develop a plan to remediate that contamination in accordance with guidelines that are set forth by the be uh they prepare that that plan they submit that uh REM what's called remedial action work plan uh to the DP uh D then use that approves it and then they Implement that action work plan um and then they actually have to file with be a remedial action outcome which says this is what we did to remediate and this is these are the results and then they also file within that any long-term monitoring that has to get done with along with the site it's a separate process uh that that the applicant is required to undertake with the be of hiring that that individual how the township or I'm how we as a board sort of tie that process together at least we don't have jurisdiction over that but what we do is uh we require that as part of the final s plan approval should the board act favorably uh prior to this plans being signed off we we request require that that license set remediation professional at least provide a uh a certification to to me that the plans as prepared by the the applicant are consistent with their remediate action workpl so there's no there's no conflict between those two so what they're proposing doesn't conflict with the remedial action that's being undertaken on the so that that's how that process uh is sort of checked in by the by the board that process we don't have jurisdiction over how they do it we just have uh the ability to ask them to certify that the board is approving doesn't conflict with what the so if I heard it correctly then they're going to majority of the run off going storm yeah the storm run a large portion and so therefore if they if it's not remediated correctly and or have modern system which we detect that it's still there right to whatever degree that is which means so the licensed site reation professional is going to be reviewing the site plans to make sure that what the applicant is proposing for their for their storm water management for the site in general is consistent with the remed remal action that they're preparing for the site so they're responsible for for reviewing the plan to make sure that we're that the site plan is being approved and that's going to be constructed doesn't conflict with their remedial action you still have control over what goes2 well yeah we're we're we have as far as we have reviewed authority over that yes there there are certain specific requirements that Mr Bardo yeah absolutely there's there's overlap between what you know DP approves and what we review what the lsrp does and what we review so there is there are checks on all those things it's a it's a tight process and those folks down in Trenton at DP are very serious without making sure that any contamination is remediated okay thank you sir also just to clarify your your system for storm water runoff it doesn't just go straight into the stream it gets treated and it get gets filtered and then it eventually seeps into the normal Waterway for correct evacuation okay okay so let's throw it out to anyone who's joined us through the live stream this evening is anyone out there who has a question for Mr Lane and his testimony okay thank you okay thank you thank you Mr bla like to follow up Mr vaji can why don't we do the architect because we don't take any new testimony after 10 and that's the architect that is the architect oh okay good well I I didn't hear you but like mine and then if yet we have we we have Mr viriri coming up now to come back we'll have traffic as a separate thing and Mr reger's been anxious to get up here so let's get him [Laughter] on okay getting up there already all right Mr reri come on over it's time get to get we need you to sit down the long awaited microphone is yours thank you okay so you've already been sworn you understand that correct have Mr virer you're a licensed architect in the state of New Jersey in good standing and you have been for how long since 1981 and you've testified before boards such as this I have and you've been accepted many times correct many times absolutely where did you go to college I always ask that I went to college at Iowa State University oh okay Cyclones Cyclones yeah thank you good wrestling program that's all that's all they had it was good the football team was we got a couple wrestling fans up here one from Penn State in fact there was a guy in my class architectural class that went to the Olympics and brought back a gold medal Kelly Ward what's that Kelly Ward no no with Ben Peterson all right all right well let's you're accepted anyway I'm sorry not as a wrestling expert but as an architectural expert now that we're done with wrestling why don't you discuss the architectural aspects of the project for the board of the public could I um could I work just from a standing position you certainly may you take this [Music] microphone okay so a lot of what you're going to hear from me you've kind of heard already from everybody else espe Santa he's uh act to follow he he covers a lot of the information that I talk about but um this is the general image of the building um what we try to do with these buildings that are class A buildings is build the walls out of insulated concrete and we uh we do steel bar joist uh for the roofs that uh usually have a seven pound live Lo built or dead load built in for solar so that they're solar ready I I think are you going to be referring to uh only exhibits that Mr Santa no I'm only going to work with this exhibit because all the exhibits I laid out right and this your only exhib well these are twoo but this is the only one I want to work with they're all contained in A3 they're all contained in a I think right an 83 somewhere right before I forget my that was my question before I forget for the benefit of the the the public which is what I was trying to say before is if you look closely at these exhibits in the lower right hand corner there's a little camera shot that tells you where the view is to the building and and you can you could tell they're very helpful to to look at those in in in the right hand corner right here you'll see a little red dot and and a and a camera spread which is which indicates where the where the image is for example this one's here sh in the corner of the building so these buildings again concrete steel bar joist rubber membrane RS uh slope quarter of an inch foot drain properly to meet the code back in the middle of the building where we have a ridge the highest point of the building is is 47 ft from the floor line and then to meet the Zone ordinance there's a couple of extra feet so we're saying it's 49 ft 47 plus 2 49 ft on the end here on on the corners of the building definitely on one corner but in this case we did it on two corners uh fenestration that gives the image of an office building and not a warehouse um that that always works nicely for our tenant and um the other thing this is this is Woodmont blue this recognized this when you see their buildings you'll typically see a blue band like that and I I bring that up because it's a horizontal band and what we do when we paint these buildings we create these horizontal paint bands and what that psychologically is doing is reducing the overall height of the building it's sort of bringing your mind to horizontality and you don't feel that the building is really as tall as it is so so that always helps um that's really it I mean they're great buildings they're pardon me oh yeah it's esfr sprinkler systems which is U state-of-the-art Sprinklers and they just dsif fire immediately they they just got big sprinkler heads they kill the fire and so hopefully you won't ever have to use that emergency access Drive uh that's really about it I unless you have any questions for me's portrayed there is that the office space that corner that corner is the one of the proposed office spaces yeah how do you break off how do you break the space if it's three tenants how do you two how do you break it well if it's two or three how do you how do you break the well you typically do is set it up with these kinds of glass facades and in this case we have one on one corner and one on the other Corner which gives us the opportunity to have two tenants but if we don't have two tenants it doesn't matter the glass just stays there and it becomes part of the warehouse for the one tenant and we board up the glass to protect it and that's how it works okay so I've got the office I I was what I was asking was interior to the warehouse yeah breaking up the building into two spots for two tenants how do you how do you wall that off well you you build a tenant separation wall that's you know 40 plus feet high is that concrete or is that no you can typically do it with studs and sheetrock you know studs are like eight or 10 inches one foot on Center I don't want to get into too much more detail or I'll be building the wall for you but anyway yeah that's how we separate it I think I know what it is but I prefer the expert explaining on the exterior whichever picture rendering it looks like a little white box that's cing you know grabbing something and bringing down the pipe can you just clarify for everyone what those are yes thank you I should have talked about that these are uh scuppers these these are the things that are collecting the rainwater coming off the roof they come into these Scupper boxes and then trans transition into a down spell which then is piped underground to the storm water system so that's how the water is contained if you will from the roof and not just spilling out all over corre but rather goes into the storm water management that we've been discussing a lot this it's all piped into the storm water system and we never we never let it spill out on the grade you highlight where the lighting external Lighting in the building is um well you can see very very slightly here there's a here's a fixture right here mounted on the building on the on the truck court side hold on again you can see this type of fixture here right right there and they're they're down you know they throw light down they don't they don't push it out in all directions correct so then there'll be no lighting above that fix fixure level you won't have any uplighting or any fcy stuff there's no there's no plan for that no and going back to the earlier drawing is the signage generally that that type of sign these are not prominent signs see it on that drawing there oh [Music] [Music] okay that would be the name of the company whatever that is okay and it these words that you see here they do I think they represent about three % and we're allowed 5% of the wall surf so they're they meet the ordinance as well in terms of construction uh tilt slab construction well it it back it goes back and forth depending depending upon what's more available sometimes we do tilt construction or if tilt construction is overburdened we do you know pre-cast uh pre-cast is nice because you get the insulation sandwiched inside the wall so that's a clean approach I think we're planning to do pre-cast on this building but again if the pre-casters are so jammed up Etc then it you know reverts over the Tilt up and will any part of the building be a rack supported structure I'm sorry be what will any part of the building be a rack supported structure no there there'll probably be rack storage in the building for whatever T typically we see rack storage but not a rack supported structure no okay and we'll put a nox box at the front door so you you can have the key Each corner though Each corner of the building got it there won't there won't be any skylights if that's what you're referring to no it'll uh skylights are just P we used to do them back in the 80s and every oh we got to have skyl and and turned out that they just were a failure they leaked they got cloudy so we don't do them anymore will there be any type of roof hatches or scuttles there would there is one roof hatch on the building with a with a ladder up to it a steel ladder and cage up to it okay um my concern would be with smoke evacuation from the building in case there was a fire being able to efficiently evacuate that smoke I think we would probably ask for you to use whatever axe equipment you have and just chop through the roof how thick do you anticipate the roof bang pardon me how thick do you anticipate the roof bang well the insulation is typically about three or four inches and then it's a one and a half inch metal deck okay so it's only you know you're only talking about five inches or so to to get through and there's no there's really no code requirement that we that we can see that talks about smoke evacuation although I understand it's a good point but uh we don't we don't do smoke evacuation in in the warehouse buildings okay I mean I we would definitely like there being some type of scuttle or hatch made available Beyond just the uh single roof hatch if you'd be agreeable to including that yeah we could put a second one in for you especially with two tenants you know thinking through the size of the building if there were two tenants thank you yeah there's really there really isn't any code rule for how many access but we're going to do second one with with regard to the color schemes are there other color schemes that in this area may fit more within the surrounding agriculture I I noticed some of your buildings have a little less gray and a little bit more brown tones to to kind of blend in more is there any color scheme that WM uses that might blend in more than the Grays I appreciate that the blue is an accent color but I'm just trying to blend it into the topography a little bit more [Music] [Music] who would be the expert I'm just asking from a aesthetic perspective but planner my wife you know I just noticed some of the other buildings and other geographical area little this is just that you know these colors are typical Woodmont colors right and we feel that they do kind of blend in with the sky in in terms of being blue and gray Etc that that's they're the [Music] tunes Nei so homework assign do you have any other samples that [Music] you and some of them seem a little lighter than the dark gray [Music] [Music] yeah that's it yeah that's sure well we can do anything you want just no I'll to you Jessica how about if we promis to come back with rendering that's different colors that you can take a look at that are softer more Earth right yeah yeah it's just the the lines down the the parit there seem they're just pretty dark so when you look at them compared to the renderings you have of the now I can't find it where you see the street view it's kind of like a big band that you can see so maybe it's the lighter color projected out for something it would this one disa more this build this color at the top of the building yeah we can look at that yeah I think the the concern would be from the view from 68 gory Corner Road where the emergency access in that corner of the office is going to be more visible than other parts of the building yeah you're correct but we do have it shielded pretty well with the Landscaping [Laughter] yes but we'll take a look at okay sure thank you can you speak to the Mechanicals in the building Mechanicals typically they're on the roof uh and the only mechanical there are what they they typically use in the warehouses are um oh God the Name Escapes me but they but they're very efficient units I mean one unit handles about 50,000 square feet of warehouse and they're sort of Center in the building so you would never see them from the street the ones that we get a little more concerned with are the ones that are rooftop units over the office but still we try to set them back for enough so that they're not typically visible from the street okay thank you you're welcome thank you any other questions from the board anything else from me well public let me ask the folks who are here in the room any hold on Jeff oh I'm sorry excuse me I just had one question about about the signage is a plan will there be a coordinated signage plan for wall sign and any directional signs one of the one of the conditions of any approval is you submit the signed package to Mr Vell he looks at it make sure it meets the ordinance thank okay so let me ask the folks in the room with us this evening does anybody have any questions for Mr riera's architectural testimony Sir John McDon 403 Wedgewood Circle just a question on the lighting they're all directed down but what type of lights are they Led Led and what color I mean speak colors is it a bright yellow a bluish color well Led Led is sort of a just a light uh White the light bright white yeah yeah anything else from me uh just go to the folks who are online anybody is on the live stream this evening if you have any questions on that testimony no okay we're good okay thank you very much thank you thank you can we uh it's 20 to 10 can we start into the Landscaping because that's a sure pretty important topic especially with the views that you've shown us and thank you for responding to our earlier comments on that okay okay uh I'm uh bringing back Mr Lane who's uh I'll go out on the limb and ask that your credentials are still as they were the last time you uh appeared is that correct correct Mr Lane will be uh testifying as to landscape okay fine tree okay um as far as Landscaping we have a uh believe we have a generous Landscaping throughout the site along 202 for East Corner Road on the parking lot and driveways um what we are proposing currently on our plan is 138 deciduous trees which consist mostly of Maples Locust Oak and Elm have another 34 evergreen trees which is mostly Cedar and fur we have another 22 flowering trees which are red bud and service Berry and then another 108 shrubs which are Holly Summers Suite by burum throughout the site um we provided uh Evergreen screening around the generator pad and also the hot box that's out along the B East corter Road and then with that we've also preserved uh as many as possible the existing trees along the side property lines and then the uh large buffer that we talked about along B heast Corner Road where we're saving the existing trees out there you comment on I believe our board secretary is going to bring up the Landscaping it's plan in a minute so the public can see it why don't we why don't we start with 10 because that's with respect of warhe corner 11s with respect to the highway I think the folks are more interested in seeing where you're Landscaping along B's corner yeah up uh as you can see the Beyond The Basin up to Vorhees Corner Road we're leaving the existing vegetation that's there um that's mature trees beyond that to the west where we have the emergency access and the hot box that's where we're adding in uh several trees Evergreens around like I said the hot box and filling it in with some shrubs in there So within that area where the emergency access goes out um does the design include any kind of a man-made BM that then trees are put on top of or is it just uh trees being planted in the the the graded area with no fill yeah it's pretty much just in the graded area we we that that emergency access has a little bit of a high point in it so I mean it does burm up a little bit but it's not we haven't constructed because with that emergency access you don't want it to be too steep if emergency vehicle has to get in there I guess I guess my question is is there the ability to add some elevation through some um mounding of Natural Earth create a BM um to to try and cut the height off um and the visibility from that area yeah I mean we we can add some fill in there um definitely we we need to keep the hot box flat and then like said the emergency access we don't want to build up too much but just to the east of that before we get to the woods we could we could build that up a little bit there I our landscape architect can add some more Nuance to it but that was just my my one concern in looking at that that area and looking at the landscaping and looking at the elevation of the the road and the houses across the street that you know this is the one area where from a residential perspective there's there's a significant amount of visibility John have you given any consideration yeah comment and John you submitted a report dated May 7th 202 correct correct we probably want to go over that as well okay well let me talk a little bit about the the screening along G Corner Road and I guess I'd first like to talk about just by by the way members of the public this distinguished Paul gentleman here is John Morgan Thomas a landscape expert retained by the township to review these plans and give his input on on screening and buffering and burms and things like that so I think along most of the length the Vorhees Corner Road that's where the existing Forest has been maintained and the existing Forest consists of it's actually probably 70 or 80% Evergreen uh at minimum depth there's about 100 feet being retained so this is as probably as much as we ever see in terms of a of a landscape buffer planted or existing so I think overall it's a very effective buffer to war he corner and uh and the residents across the street with the possible with the exception of I guess that would be the northwest corner of the property that we're just talking about now um and my my thought on that was is that I I'm I'm not sure I I think the best thing that could happen here is that the planting the planting that occurs in the open area on that corner of the site basically mimic the dense Evergreen buffer that exists along the rest of or's corner of the road along G East Corner Road uh the one little complication here in that corner of the site of course is that there's a jcpml power line easement where we can't plant anything and that exists on a couple of other places but this is kind of a critical location um but one thought I had and I uh spoke about this briefly with Mr Troutman was is that perhaps there'd be an opportunity to change the alignment of that emergency access road so that the emergency access road came off the parking lot and was actually located primarily within that power line RightWay that it would it would curl down to the road but in the opposite be be flipped over the design that you're seeing on the plan so that we could extend the dense planting from the edge of the existing forest all the way out to the edge of the uh of the power line RightWay and that would put a planting between the building and that residence that's closest to the corner of the property and I I I maybe it would be better if I just pointed this out on the plan if I if I sure if I could there is a there is a visual representation [Music] of we we couldn't right now the the access drive if you were to follow a line down on the western portion of the building the emergency access Drive is aligned and essentially HS out straight I'm Sugg we take it other way and it in oppos underneath power line then we take that whole are that whole and provide geometry and emergency access and so that me would eliminate trying to plant on either side of that little emergency access and I I think that's a a possible solution and then beyond that we can't plant in the jcpnl right away there will be some opening on that corner that we can't we can't deal with the other part of it is if we can have a little flexibility on the location of that placement of that hot box which takes up a fair amount of real estate if we have that position more carefully because that's taking up kind of valuable space that we could plant some Evergreens and create a more complete screen uh but I think the the idea to me that idea of that planting should be more like what we would call in the uh in the ordinance of screen planting buffer where not that it has to be a double row of Evergreens but it it should have a considerable Evergreen component in addition to some larger crats so that really that corner of the building as much as possible it's a big building that corner of the building goes away from view from b e Corner Road because really the front of this building is the entrance on 202 so so any thoughts yes we are in favor of all that the only thing we'd have to clear is to make sure that if the access easement I mean the emergency access is going to be okay with jcpnl we think it probably will be um we're not that far along with our utility placement so we can probably Slide the Hot Box in One Direction or another so um I would add I know Mr Lane is known to your landscape architect so they can get together on the phone and we have no objection and we know in the Redevelopment plan it calls for heavy buffering here so we're not um in any way trying to you know avoid that obligation okay that's great thank you thank you so why don't we Mr Lane why don't you walk through the uh Mr John Morgan Thomas's report from s and thank you John very thoughtful thank you that's great yeah I think number one talks about adding there's two specimen in historic trees uh are being removed and that what we have to get back is the 54 inches uh in like time am I correct yeah I I like can the first three comments just have to do with with tree removal tree protection and tree replacement and and the only I guess the question in the first part of the tree removal I just want to confirm what what was what uh the engineer did on this uh particular instances rather than locating every single tree in that whole wooded area which was not necessarily a productive exercise they took some samplings to come up with the overall quantity of trees and and to characterize the trees and I'm perfectly okay with that approach we've done that on other uh we've done that on other projects the only thing I wanted to confirm here was so they they did a tree sampling of the wooded area on the one side of the site and there was there were individual trees identified on the other portion of the property uh that identified I think another 59 additional trees I just wanted to make sure that they uh what the methodology was to um uh determine if there were any additional specimen for historic trees in the wooded area that you didn't sample so that was the question and and I I I suspect there are not but that should be confirmed on the plans I by whoever did your survey work because right now we just don't know if there are any other specimen and storic trees that were say uh being removed for the construction of the large detention Basin outside of the areas that were sampled okay so that's the that was the that was that I think that's really the only question in that particular in in number one and whatever we need to get back we more than happy add to the plan um and I guess in number in number three just for the for the board's benefit uh um the the applicant and this kind of uh it it pains me a little bit to to tell you that you don't need to provide us with 4,000 replacement trecks uh the the ordinance uh the ordinance basically requires only replacements for specimen historic trees and that's why there's the 64 in u the other tree that were sampled that was to determine that basically what they were doing is supplying us information that said that that area where they were clearing does not meet the Township's definition of a woodland so the 55% removal calculation does not apply to this project and I'm and I'm in agreement with that but there is no specific requirement for for replacement of of the trees that was noted on the plant so I'd really like a nice planting in that buffer area next to the corner um so basically the required replacement is 18 3in caliper trees and we'd like you to locate those on the plan okay uh and uh they're in addition to the required treason plan we'll do U the uh note number five with buffers is actually just what I already talked about so I think that's sufficient we did have one other area um that in my interpretation of the ordinance we do have a residential property to the north uh on Wares Corner Road which would technically require a buffer uh it's not residentially Zone but it is a residential use however there's a jcpnl right away uh that would preclude a screen planting so I have a suggestion here that we provide some additional planting at the edge of the parking lot to provide some some screening and really all you're going to be able to do is provide some large shrubs in that area uh some of the trees that are proposed there uh I don't JCP won't won't allow they're in within the right away so there are about five trees that need to be removed and I'd like to see those replaced with some large shrubs small flowering trees something that'll meet JCP Nail's [Music] requirement um number six is phone tower planting there was a there were some there Evergreens that are proposed to be removed along um Route 202 near the cell phone tower and those are part of the if I recall correctly those are part of the approval for the cell phone tower planting there are 14 Evergreens that are being removed and my suggestion is since they're not too big they're very nice Evergreens I think we can transplant them uh in an area directly in front of the uh cell phone tower there's an open area uh that will provide some screening from the highway which was the original intent so I think that's but those were part of the those were uh a conditional part of the approval for the cell phone Power I think item item number seven are just a variety of of land notes and landscap ape requirements and I assume you could comply with all of those um and the last comment number eight had to do with storm water management uh really asking for some more details and I'm sure we can Mr Lane if you can confirm that we can kind of work through those we need some additional details on those aquaponic treatment devices in terms of the actual planting um and some details that have to do with the plantings of the of the Basin between your office and and uh Mr Dar I hope we can we we can work through those okay one issue that and one issue that comes up is in the establishment during the establishment period of the fire retention in the Wetland space sometimes you got app in the past provide a temporary water to that the plants alive I I I I didn't include that in this report and it was an oversight I would request it in this case just because if we can provide a frost fruit proof hydrant since it's isolated from the building and there's no easy way to get water to it I think it's always a good idea there's a big investment in plants that go in these basins because they're literally thousands of them and expensive seed mixes and so forth I think it's a pretty worthwhile investment um but that's so that that that's a that's a good point and then some of my questions about the the uh detailing of the basins also had to do with establishment of the plant material and the basins I I I like the bio retention basins certainly I think they're a much better approach than the the S the sand pits and I think the more the more we read about them I think the more they're finding that the as as the plant material becomes established they're basically outperforming what they expected them to be so um I'm I'm just concerned about seeing plants uh Thrive okay any other questions are they complying with all that or yes okay when do you think you'll have plans ready for review uh for the relocated emergency access no for the relocated access driveway perfect thank you okay so there be no more questions from the board anybody from the public who's here would have some questions from Mr Lane's or even if you want to ask um Mr Morgan Thomas about the Landscaping you could ask him questions as well because he testified at length sure it's Maran m m t h SS B loading uh I live on a property way we situated the way the are you able just to speak directly noise buffer if there's air conditioning units for generators um you've addressed kind of War Corner Road and 202 but we're over by the case forward has there will there be any type of landscaping around I don't even know where the AR units will be or the generators will be as far as sound buffles that because we hear it from jpk school so um and you know we're a little bit concerned with the lighting and the noise especially if there's trucks coming in it'll be facing that the right hand side can you can you indicate ma'am where your house is side just just for the record you're indicating that you're I don't want to say whether that's West but you're you're you're in the neighborhood in front of the the middle school not as no there's 4,000 coming out no no no no no why I shouldn't joke before you even answer that can somebody just have a microphone sorry Taylor don't worry about it the the existing trees along that property line to the north that that's remaining there's a big gap in here because you have the the the the the high tension line easement so there's not going to be able to be any trees even planted on our property because of that then you have this uh dedication which is going to keep that plantings in there so again we're we're pretty far away but where there's a gap we're not going to be able to plant anything because that's the JCP they'll never allow trees underneath the high tension wires no there's a little bit down here for the detention Basin but basically this buffer staying and then this up here is remaining and then like I said in here there's nothing in here and that's going to stay like I said we can't really do anything about that noit yes sorry no no no and you could see you could you could kind of see here where this the for the US bronze has been pretty cleared so there's not trees that are being taken out here just a little bit where the Basin [Music] is okay uh anybody on the live stream have any questions for Mr Lane and the testimony on the landscape no okay all right so we're after 10 So the plan is in two weeks is I think is to carry with no further notice to the public to May 22nd at 7 pm right here at uh at Town Hall yes I'm sure Mr Bardo will do the the public yeah there's you have you have your traffic um yeah so we would be well we'll come back with some of the cleanup that we have from tonight but the primary uh witness will be traffic traffic so so folks the primary witness um at the next meeting which is May um 2 22nd is is going to be traffic and um they're going to talk about truck turning and and trips and and all that stuff and by the way there's a traffic report on file with our board secretary so if you all want to come in and look at the the traffic report and there's also a review letter from our esteemed traffic expert who graduated from Lehigh University and if you want to look at that report as well you can look at that so and any documents you want to look at they're on file so you can come down here and look at them during normal business hours so I'm sure everybody has already looked at the file I've been able to add it to the website so I will add it to the Google Drive so you will be able to view it it might be a large file so you might have to actually download it but you should be able to view it but you're still you're still free to come down to the office some people like to look at it in person just bring the microphone yeah yeah although I'm not answering any questions so I thought this Chang okay thank you everyone we're J thank you than