Yes. You ready? >> Calling to order the zoning board of adjustment Renan Township, New Jersey regular meeting August 24 1st, 2025. Notice of meeting. The notice requirements of the open public meetings act have been satisfied by the placing
of a notice of this meeting on the bulletin board of the municipal building filing same with the township clerk and transmitting same to the Huning County Democrat, the Courier News Star Ledger and the Trenton Times. Roll call, please. Chairwoman Miss Cynthia Schaefer
>> here. >> Vice Chair Mulami >> here. Miss Mr. Steve Farcio >> here. >> Mr. Randy Block here. >> Mr. Jim Ferrero >> here, >> Miss Lindsey Kringle >> here, >> Miss Lorett Cina >> here, >> Miss Donna Drews >> here,
>> and Mr. James Miller, he has asked to be excused. Board professionals, board attorney, Mr. John Dill >> here, >> township planner, Mr. Jeffrey Bearella, >> here. >> Uh, tonight we have Mr. Ryan McCarthy on behalf of township engineer Mr. Reesh Dargy >> here.
>> Traffic consultant Mr. Jay Troutman >> here. >> Uh, board planner Jessica Caldwell, she is excused from tonight. and township landscape architect, Mr. John Morgan Thomas, who's here via Zoom. >> Here. >> Okay. Can I get a motion to excuse uh
James Miller? >> I'll make a motion. >> I second. >> Can I get a a roll call, please? >> Chairwoman, Miss Cynthia Schaefer. >> Yes. >> Vice Chair, Mr. Sodom Gi. >> Yes. >> Mr. Randy Block. >> Yes. >> Mr. Steve Farcio. >> Yes. >> Mr. Jim Ferrero.
>> Yes. >> Miss Lindsey Kberg. >> Yes. Miss Lorett Cina. >> Yes. >> Okay. Moving forward. No comments, no announcements, no distribution or correspondence. Um, yeah. Okay. Um, meeting minutes. Um,
can can I get a motion to approve the June 19th, 2025 close session meeting minutes? So move. Okay. Can >> I get a second? Can I get a roll call? >> Okay. And this is June 19th. Randy blocker.
Chair. Miss Chairwoman. Miss Cynthia Schaefer. >> Yes. >> There. Mr. Randy Block. >> Yes. >> Mr. Steve Farcio. >> Yes. >> Mr. Jim Ferrero. >> Yes. >> Miss Lorett Cina. >> Yes. >> Missur? >> Yes.
>> Was it Russell there? No, that's okay. I'm sorry. Uh, can I get a motion? >> The other three people are abstaining. We have six yeses and three abstensions. Correct. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> Okay. Can I get a motion to approve the August 7th, 2025?
>> So, >> what was that? Okay. >> I'll second. Roll call. >> Chairwoman, Miss Cynthia Schaefer. >> Yes. >> Vice Chair, Mr. Silamchi. >> Yes. >> Mr. Randy Block. >> Yes. >> Mr. Steve Barcio. >> Yes. >> Mr. Jim Ferrero.
Miss Lorett Cina, >> yes. >> Miss Anrew, >> yes. >> Okay, moving over to the application. >> We have two abstensions on that one. Correct. >> Correct. >> Correct. >> And then Taylor, which meeting did we have the two sets of close session minutes at?
>> They were both both June and August. >> Correct. So those motions to adopt the close session minutes were adopting both sets of close session minutes from both of those nights. Correct. >> Correct. So, whoever made the motion and seconded, could you just we'll keep the
vote, but this is a motion to adopt both sets of minutes for June 19th. Who made that motion? >> June 19th was Randy and I second it. >> You're going to amend your motion? >> Yes. >> Whoever seconded it. >> I did. >> Cynthia, >> you're going to second.
>> Yes. >> Okay. And everyone's staying with their vote to adopt. Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Okay. How about August 7, 205? I made that motion. Well, I attended one of two. So, >> so that's got to be redone. Let's have someone who's there for both of them,
unless you want to break them out because you had to choose from one of them. >> All right. Let's get a motion to approve the August 7th, 2025 close session. >> Both. >> Both of them. >> Both of them. >> And we're going to put >> anybody. Right. So, we're going to gonna
be six people voting on this. Three abstaining. >> Okay. Can someone pass? So, moved. Can you call the role of the six? >> I'll second that one. >> I was going to say Okay. Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> Uh chairwoman is Cynthia Schaefer. >> Yes. >> So, are we skipping Russell in general?
>> He's he's abstaining. >> Okay. Mr. Randy Block. >> Yes. >> Mr. Steve Farcio. >> Yes. >> Mr. Jim Ferrero? >> Yes. >> Miss Lorett Cina? >> Yes. >> Miss Don? >> Yes. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Okay. Moving over to the applications for this evening. We have one BOA case
number 20-2024. Applicant is Tractor Supply Company. Location is block 80 lot 20 144 highway 202. Application preinary and final site plan with Dvarian for proposed garden center. Good evening. >> Good evening everyone. My name is
Matthew Pada from the law firm SS and Gross and I represent the applicant tractor supply company. Uh may I proceed with the presentation of the application? >> Yes. >> Terrific. Thank you so much. Uh so like I said I represent Tractor Supply Company. Uh the site itself is located right there in 202 which I'm sure
everybody here is familiar with. The site has been existing there for almost about 20 years. And tonight we are here seeking amended site plan approval for both preliminary and final site plan. The reason being is I'm sure you guys are well aware this site is ready for an uplift. It is something that uh Tractor
Supplies is doing throughout the entire nation. they are readressing all their sites that they have to give it a not only an uplift but also to add the accessory uses on the site that is customary and accidental to the actual business itself. And what do I mean by that is one a live good center which
think of that kind of like a garden center but we call it a live good center and then number two is the sale of propane. Uh the propane sale and also live goods will be within the fenced area itself. As far as site circulation goes and how our customers will get the propane tank. We'll have both our civil
engineer and our traffic engineer testify to that as well. Um, we are in receipt of the professional reports from this municipality and we've also had an opportunity to review all those professional reports. And if I may, I'd like to call my first witness, my civil engineer, Mr. Sewall from Dynamic
Engineering. >> First, can you get all your witnesses? Let's identify, bring them up, and do a joint swearing in of everybody, including the board witnesses. >> Do you also want me to bring up potential fact witnesses as well? Let's if we need them, then we'll swear them in. Let's get the people that you know you're going to call.
>> Yes. >> And before you start, how about everybody just gets in the line behind that mic? Go one by one. >> Also, this room, the acoustics are awful. You really have to keep your voice up. The court reporter is going to pick you up because she's three feet
away, but the board members and the professionals down here will have a hard time hearing you unless you speak up. And you don't want to get too close to the microphone, but you want don't want to be too far away and you want to speak slowly. >> That and please remember John Morgan
Thomas is by Zoom >> the landscape architect. So let's remember that the recording as well. >> Move that microphone three inches closer to you. >> You got it. >> Like that. Okay. Now first, can everyone including the board experts including
Mr. Thomas raise your right hand? Does everyone swear or affirm the testimony you're going to give in this proceeding will be the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth. >> I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. >> I do. >> Okay. Now, identify yourself and give
your relationship to the applicant or the board as the case may be. So, for example, Mr. Rancamp, you're going to say your name. You're going to spell your last name. You're going to say that you are the applicant's planning expert. >> Good evening. Craig Rancamp. C R E I G H. Rancamp. R A H E N K A M P and I'm
the planner for the app. >> Next, >> Corey C O R E Y last name is Chase C H with dynamic traffic where the applicant's traffic consultant >> and you're a P you're a traffic engineer but you're a PE. >> Correct. Licensed professional engineer
licenses currently. >> This will get you qualified. >> Glenn Oxford Oxford architecture. I am the architect for tractor supply. Okay. You said your first name is Lynn. >> Glenn. G L E N. >> Glenn. >> Last name is Oxford. O X F
>> O X F O R D. >> Okay. >> Sew. >> Ah, there you are. >> How you doing, Mr. Joe? >> How are you? >> Good. Josh Seaw. J O S H S E W A L D. Dynamic engineering. We're the civil site engineer for tractor supply company.
>> Ryan. >> Yeah. Just identify yourself. >> Ryan McCarthy. uh the alternate board engineer. Um >> you're the board engineering expert tonight, right? >> Yes. Correct. >> Sorry about that. >> No problem. >> Jeff Earrell, the township planner.
>> I'm Jay Troutman, the for traffic consultant. >> Okay. Boom. >> Terrific. >> John Thomas architectural expert. >> So sorry about that, John. >> All right. So, I'd like to call up my first witness, Mr. Josh Seawald, and
qualify him. Good evening everybody. Again, Josh Sewell from Dynamic Engineering Consultants. I am a bachelor of science in civil engineering. I have a masters of science and civil engineering. I'm a licensed professional engineer. >> Slow. >> Yeah, >> I have a license in uh my license is
professional engineering. I do this on a nightly basis. Tonight is hearing number 35 for me in the year of 2025. And I've been accepted as an expert before over 100 land use boards. >> But is your license still in good standing? >> It certainly is. >> Terrific. Does this board accept him as an expert in civil engineering? Yes. >> Thank you.
>> Terrific. Mr. Sew, have you had an opportunity to visit the site? >> I have. >> Have you also had an opportunity to review the proposed plans? And were those proposed plans drafted under your supervision? >> Yes. >> Terrific. Why don't you walk us through what we're looking to do here today? >> Certainly. Mr. Dr. I have my first
exhibit. My only exhibit, I believe. >> Okay. So, this is going to be A1. And I'm going to ask you, let's pick Let's pick. Looks like you have a lot of white. Let's pick the upper right hand corner tonight. Okay. A1. today's date >> and John I do have the digital copy so
just give me one minute >> super for the record can you identify exhibit A warning from reading whatever it says in the block >> certainly this is the site plan rendering dated August 1525
this exhibit shows the site plan aerial plan that are part of the record civil drawings and then mounted on tonight's exhibit for presentation purposes >> in Thank you very much. >> Okay, Mr. Sew, can you please walk us through the existing conditions and what
we're looking to do now? >> Certainly. So, this applicant tractor supply was before you back in 2007. It's been constructed since 2008. The building itself is approximately 24,000 square ft. that is located in the light orange color in the
center of the block to the top of the planets to the north bottom of to the planets to the south and route 20231 is running in that north south direction on the left side of the map that building tractor supply again like I mentioned has been there since 2008 on the bottom which is to the south of that tractor
supply is also their fenced outdoor display area that's in the light tan color you'll see in there an orange block from a civil engineering standpoint tonight's application is relatively straightforward we'll get into planning and the variances and all the other things that come along with it. But from a civil engineering
standpoint, usually this board and your professionals here talks about grading, drainage, landscaping, and all the things that come along with redevelopment and groundup development work. That is not tonight's focus. Tonight's focus is taking tractor supplies site and bringing in two
ancillary and accessorary structures inside of that fenced outdoor display area. So the common right, right out driveway that you see on 202 exactly the same. The overall 81 parking spaces, landscape aisles spread throughout the property exactly the same. That front
sidewalk display area with all the seasonal products, the front door will remain the same. And finally, in the rear of the property where the loading, the trash enclosure, and all the other facilities that go to the back of the house remains identical. What we're here tonight are two structures. The first
structure we'll focus on is that orange box in the middle of exhibit A1 that is identified as our uh liveg goods our garden center. It is only approximately 1,280 square feet. So when sometimes our boards hear garden center, they think of
the Lowe's and the Home Depot that have tens of thousands of square feet. If you've been to the Tractor Supply today or recently over the past couple of weeks, you will see in the front sidewalk display area, there's some trees, plum trees, apple trees. There's also some low shrubs that look like they
can come into some garden area. We're going to relocate those features and put them inside of our proposed garden center. So, all those plants and maybe some supplemental plants with tomato plants and things like that will go inside of that front garden uh live goods garden center. That's that orange
box there, 1,3 visualize here how big that is. If I have to visualize that >> lot garden center 12 1,200 >> certainly it's about 32 by 40. So can you use point of reference as well as >> I got 32 by 40
>> really good a parking space approximately is 10 by 20. So it's two cars sitting next to each other. >> Okay. >> Good question though. >> Thank you. >> The second structure that we're going to have which is located in the eastern most portion of the site I'll just point at it so everybody can see it is our
bulk sales propane tank. is located on the eastern most rear portion of the fence outdoor display area. Bulk propane is not Yes. >> If you get up again, just take that mic. >> No problem. Um I've done approximately 20 tractor
supply applications throughout the state of New Jersey. 14 of them currently tonight are servicing with bulk propane. So it is become a regular ancillary and accessorary structure associated with the tractor supply product and services that they're used to providing. That's the 1000galon propane tank.
>> Yes. So that is not an exchange. Sometimes you go to a gas station, you go to a place and you're you're taking out your 20 lb tanks for your barbecue. This is a bulk tank. And we'll give you a little bit more information about it. >> And that use is not just limited to New Jersey that's being proposed here tonight. Right. This is a nationwide
approach. >> That is correct. >> Thank you. >> Um that thousandgalon bulk propane tank, there will be employees that will run that tank. So basically, if someone pulled up with either a 20 pound barbecue tank or maybe you have a 100 pound tank that goes on
the back of your RV or another ancillary item you have at home, you will bring that to the outdoor display area. You'll go to the front. You'll grab an employee and the employee who is trained to operate that bulk propane tank will bring you to the back. They'll unlock the security cabinet, fill it up. Once
it's filled up, they'll then lock it back up again, make sure you pay, and then you can go on your way. They can also help you load it up. I have a ton of information about the safety of both propane tanks, how it's heavily regulated both federal, state, and local level. Uh we follow the NFPA standards.
In addition to that, Tractor Supply has to license the bulk propane tank with Suburban Gas, who's a regional provider. I'm sure we've all seen those trucks up and down the road. Once the DCA, Department of Community Affairs in New Jersey, give Suburban Gas their license, then they and Tractor
Supply, should we be approved this evening, we would have to go to the building department and get fire marshall approval as well. So, this is just one of the many steps of the certifications we need to eventually get to the installation of that bulk propane tank. >> Can I ask a question? >> Absolutely. I am assuming that Home
Depot and Lowe's have changed to just the exchange because it it frees up the employee training part of this. So, can you just explain to me the the employee training since you're you're going to have that? >> Absolutely. So, approximately tractor
supply will range between 12 and 14 employees depending on the shift, season, managers there, district managers, etc. Usually two to three of them on the shift will have what's called a perk certification. Propane education and research council. It's basically a certification that shows you
how to operate the cabinet as well as identify things that should something be going wrong, you can address it in a safe manner essentially. So Tractor Supply requires who will ever operate that bulk propane tank have that certification and they provide that for their employees. >> Thank you. >> Absolutely.
Um, >> is there anything else in that area? >> So, if you've been to a Tractor Supply or this one specifically, that fenced outdoor display area has all of their bulk products, things that can't fit in the skinny retail aisles of the store. So, you'll see uh big fences, you'll see
uh dog kennels, chicken coops, all large structures that are inside there. So, there's certainly material that's there. The good news about the bulk propane tank because it is regulated by DCA, they have spacing requirements, clearance requirements, and all around it will be ballards. So, should there be
a a dolly or a forklift driving around, they would hit that uh ballard first before any issue would arise. >> Are there any requirements about underground versus >> um so there New Jersey regulates both above ground A and underground US regulations? this would be considered a
US. But bulk propane actually has its own set of standards as well. So when we hear above ground storage tank or underground storage tank, we're actually thinking about more of the gas stations and diesel tanks for fuel and convenience centers. This has a separate set of regs because it services propane,
not the other type of fuel. >> Have a quick question, please. How does the U proposed to propane um service station, for lack of a better word, differ from the existing propane um
sales and service that you do now? >> I walked the site today. I did not see a formalized propane sales. They sell the tank, but I believe it's empty. Right now, they don't provide the actual propane on site. You'd have to drive uh further to another site on 202 to get
that. So you could buy a empty tank there, but they don't actually have the propane to fill it up for you >> because I saw the signs um out front propane. >> It might be a marketing aspect of uh an assumption which we will not make as the
professionals here tonight, but I can say for the record that they do not sell propane at the site. They do not. >> Thanks. >> But they do sell the >> the tanks. >> The tanks. Correct. Good. >> So, overall from a from a civil
engineering standpoint, those are the two features we're asking for this board to consider. A 1320 ft garden center. We do have an architect that I'll show you what it looks like, but it will be >> I thought you said 1,280T. >> One uh I'm sorry, 1,280 ft. Thank you,
Mr. Ch. Uh 32x40. And the second is that thousandgallon bulk propane tech. Again, both of those items will be inside of the fenced outdoor display area. So, should you be driving past the site in the parking lot or in the driveways, you will not see those two functions, they will be behind the fence outdoor display
area. So I just want to be clear because when I was reading and I think you clarified but just for the record since there will be a lot of other traffic there of the clients because there are other material in that area the outside area these two
areas will be totally protected you just said right and I've been to that story >> he didn't say both areas he said I'm not testifying this my notes say he said there's going to be ballards around the thousandgalon on propane tank to protect it. Is that correct? That's correct.
>> Yes, that is correct. >> The garden also will have fence. Did I? >> No, it will not. >> So, to if I may clarify real quick, what we're looking to do here is we're looking to propose two uses. One will be in the back right corner. That'll be the propane cells, which will have ballards around it, which is required at both the
state and federal level. And then we'll also have a separate use on site within the fenced area. That's the live. >> Yes. Yes. Thank Thanks. >> So, just a clarification point, the
propane tank will just be protected by ballards. There will not be a secondary fenced containment perimeter around it. >> That's correct. >> But it will be fenced area, >> right? I was just confused because you described an employee would come in and
unlock >> Yeah. >> something unlock. Mr. See, let's say hypothetically, I think this will clarify for a lot of people. Let's say I go to the site. Let's say hypothetically this project gets approved and I come to the site to purchase propane. Why don't you walk me through how that site operation would work?
>> So, you would leave your car, you would leave the tank, >> and if you may, can you just grab the microphone and walk us through by pointing at the site plan? >> Listen, I don't necessarily know if he has to do that. Do you guys want him to do that or they just want you to answer the question, what does the guy have to unlock? >> So, that's what Yeah, I think it just be better to visualize.
>> What is he going to unlock? color >> a security cabinet that's attached to the bulk propane tank which has the controls and valves to fill it up. That way it's not open for anyone to turn the val. >> So while the tank is not enclosed in a fence, the controls are enclosed in a what?
>> In a metal security cabinet. >> There you go. Boom. Nick go. >> I just need to understand where the fence is. >> Sorry. >> I'm telling you. So listen, is the fence going? >> Listen, Josh, go up there with Take the
microphone and go up. >> It's best. Let him go up there with you. >> Yes. Thank you. >> So the fence we're speak into his microphone. >> The the fence where I'm about to show you on exhibit A1 is all existing. There's nothing new. So if you stand at
the front, which is the western front facade of the building, you'll see there's that existing fence with the ornamental brick pierce. That fence wraps around the entire fenced outdoor display area and continues around the back and ties into the back corner of the building where the loading is. The B
propane tank, which is this cylinder-like shape here, is located inside of that fence area. >> Perfect. Thank you. >> No problem. Anyone have any more questions for their civil engineering expert? Unless you're dying to ask him something else, get the
next witness. You open up to the public at the end. >> Okay. Are there any members of the public here? Is everyone here with the applicant? There are no members of the public here tonight. So, unless someone comes in the door, the board is not going to open
anything to the public because there is no public. Let's just confirm that the only person on Zoom should be John Thomas because public is not allowed to participate virtually. Correct. >> Correct. >> Okay. Good question. Now, >> thank you. If I may, I'd like to call my
next witness, my traffic engineer, Mr. Corey Chase, also from Dynamic Engineering. >> Uh, is he going to address the issues in our engineers? >> Microphone, please. >> Are are you going to address the the engineering issues in our in our planners?
>> Okay. You want So, you want >> Well, I I just if he's going to be dismissed as a witness, there's >> All right. What she what she's suggesting is because he was an engineer, why don't you address >> the board's engineering comments at this
time instead of later? Come back. >> Okay. The way the board does this, if there's a comment and says testimony should provide it be provided, you either say we already did that or you provide the testimony. If the comment is like an editorial comment, you can
ignore it unless you disagree with it. If the comment is suggesting some sort of plan change, if the board grants approval, it will be a condition of a plan change. So, you don't agree with it, you got to say something. If you don't say something, it will wind up
being the truth and it will wind up being a a condition. >> Understood? But for efficiency purposes, only talk about the ones that you need to talk about. >> Yeah. >> So, this is the board's engineers report
dated August 16, 2025. >> Yes. >> Correct. Um, if it's okay with your board engineer, I'd like to start on page three, item six. First one says, uh, testimony. I believe the first two we we discuss some of the use of the propane, how it works, and functions.
Sure. >> Anyone need anything else on item six? >> Yeah. Well, >> I would say just for clarification for item four, there is no change that the operations of the propane are not going to change. Hours of operation, trash or recycling, all that other stuff will remain exact.
>> Before you answer that, >> yeah, >> in the planner's report, >> he notes that the advertised hours of operation are not in accordance with the board's prior condition. So the question to the applicant's attorney is, are you
going to seek as part of this application to modify the hours of operation or are you going to scale them back to what's in the condition? And I'm not making a judgment or taking a position, just asking. >> We're going to seek to modify the hours.
>> Okay. So are the hours as indicated in that Facebook post or wherever Jeff got it from, are those the hours of operation? >> Yes, sir. So I'm talking about what page number on your report? >> It's exhibit one.
>> So exhibit one, page four to his report. Those are the proposed hours of operation. They're going to seek to modify. What condition number do you have to modify to get those hours? >> Condition one.
>> Condition number what of resolution number one? The resolution number would be 2007-08. >> Yep. >> Condition D1. D1. >> Just check.
>> Condition D1. That's correct. >> Okay, Ryan, that's the response to your item four. Mr. McCarthy to follow up on that. the two structures that we're seeking this evening will not modify any of the other items that we have in the planner
report about hours of operation and employees. >> Understood. >> Um item six as part of this facelift they will be working through the site to improve the concrete that's out there as well which I believe addresses the the question comment that's in there. Um and
we'll make sure that we can work with your office add a note as you find applicable. >> Sure. The the only other item um just from discussion with some of the board members, the the uh the display area in the front, it's kind of like either colored concrete or patio. There's a lot of lips and cracks and just just to have
that area also repaired. I think the biggest concern would be just from an ADA standpoint with quarter inch lip. So, just to make sure that we take care of that area as well, we will be compliant with that. So, is that the one where Jeff has put a picture on? No difference. >> This is in the Yeah, this so in the
front of the building I observe >> exhibit three. Is that what you're talking about? This is actually >> It's not shown. >> And I could just say as a matter of fact that ironically speaking, this site is actually up this year to be readressed for cleaning up curbing concrete and any
other pavement issues. So the applicant agrees to update the because the p it's basically like paper blocks and they're decomposing and I was in a walker or a wheelchair. There's no way I could get across that surface safely. >> Yes. So as a conditional approval, the
applicant does agree to um update and clean the paving and the impervious coverage on the site. >> Okay. >> What number in the report are you guys discussing? >> That was item six. Item number six review. >> Item six. >> Yeah. The last sentence says, "It is noted that the architectural plans state
that the concrete areas will be repaired as needed to alleviate tripping hazards. We would just include and display areas." >> And display areas. Okay. Hold on. >> And if I make that a condition in the exact wording that he has at the last
sentence of item six, that satisfied the board or does anyone want any other language change? >> The only the only other language change just from a site visit this afternoon. Um, it appears that the storm water basin in the rear of the site is significantly overgrown. I'm sure that's not in compliance with what the original
uh board approval was. So, we would like to also have that addressed somehow. I know that the township as a whole has taken a stance with the storm water utility. So, that's one of the things I think that we would probably request. >> What exactly do you want them to do? >> Um, I mean, I think it would take a
little bit more. We would just say um work with the township engineers office to adequately maintain the basin or bring it back into compliance with current standards. We're not necessarily looking to expand it or anything by that nature, but just cutting it back. It's
significantly overgrown. So that that would be the >> Hold on. Give you give it a try by everybody. >> Yeah. And uh this is John Thomas. that was that was something that was included kind of indirectly in my report in the evaluation of the rest of the vegetation
on site. I noticed that also and uh yeah I don't think this particular basin ever had any trees or shrubs planted and it was basically a meadow and it's something beyond that and that's usually impacts the can
impact the structures and so forth. So can >> John can we wait on yours till we do your report later? Sure. >> Okay. So, what I have is as a condition work with the township engineer to bring the basin back into compliance with what >> the previous
>> with what the approved plan showed. What are you guys looking for? >> Uh, I'd have to check and see if there was an original maintenance manual posted. There could have been. I think just looking at the year it was approved, there likely should have been with the original approval. Well, let's look at the let's see if there's a
condition without a maintenance manual and the underlying approval. >> So, if it was done in compliance with it >> should be >> the original design and maintenance requirements. >> Yeah. >> Give me a number. What page and what condition number?
>> Uh page 25. >> Oh, there it is. Condition eight. Operations and ma and maintenance manual >> and nine >> and nine maintenance of the storm water facilities. Okay. So, we'll bring it back into compliance per
conditions 8 and nine of resolution 2007-08. How does that sound to the board? >> Fine. >> How does that sound to you, Ryan? >> Perfect. >> How's it sound to the applicant? >> Acceptable. >> Okay,
keep on going. Item seven simply asks uh the bulk propane cannot be in a flood hazard area. Uh Mr. Ricard, you simply asked for some elevations. I'll I'll provide some testimony. The elevation that the bulk propane tank will be at is approximately 160 on the 100 deer flood plane that is located at the rear of the
property is approximately 139 to 122. So substantially higher than wherever the potential flood plane is. So no concerns there. >> Ryan, you satisfied? Satisfied. >> Okay. So item seven just gets to check. Yep. Not a condition. Okay. >> Um item eight we will comply with. It's a great summary of what's required
through uh the DCA department, Suburban Gas. We we'll make sure that's all part of it. And um check >> same thing. >> Thank you for the thoroughess. >> Can't hear you. >> He said, "Thank you for the clarity." >> It's very thorough. >> It's very nicely done.
>> Number nine defers to the fire marshall. Well, the fire marshall or some fire official has Jeff had some attached to his report. So, it's a June 23rd letter from Dennis Conan who's the fire
marshal and it says fire apparatus access road width is to be maintained at 20 ft plan show a reduction to 14 ft. So can you address that we'll comply with the 20 ft >> I also saw somewhere else in one of these reports reference to the 2014 but
I guess whenever we get around to it we'll find it. Okay. So, the these site plan comments, it looks like these are from 10 to 21 are suggested revisions. So, do you have a problem with any of them? >> Nope.
>> And just to answer item number 16, there is no signage associated with the bulk propane tank >> other than the appropriate fire code and building code. Once there's no advertising signage associated with the bulk propane tank. >> Okay. >> The rest of the comments, Mr. McCarthy,
we will comply with and address the resolution compliance should the board vote favorably. >> Sure. I just wanted to just quickly add to that item number 19, we were looking for just a little bit of testimony. Um, so you discussed that it is a live good center with with um with um it's more or less a garden center. Correct. And just
>> can we call Listen, can we call it for purposes of the resolution a live good center? >> Okay. >> Um just kind of what those operations going to be with the plants. I think some of the things we're looking for is what the care of the plants are going to look like, I guess, as far as watering, if fertilizer is going to be used, and
then we didn't didn't see any drains or anything in that area. So, kind of where that storm water runoff would go just if we're are using fertilizer and things of that nature. >> So, great question. It the,200 foot live good center is is tiny, so it's not the robust system that you'll see at some of the larger retailers. Literally, it's
some shelves. And if you've been there today, or Mr. McCarthy, you said you were there earlier. The trees and shrubs are in a gallon bucket already. So, there's no addition of fertilizer or treatment of those plants. They get it from a supplier. They provide it on the shelving units and then someone comes
and purchases it and takes it home with them. Essentially, there will be a hose out there for irrigation. There's no, you know, fire suppression over it that's uh associated with it. So, just a hose and then that runoff from the hose will go down into the existing storm water conveyance system and will be cleaned there. >> Okay. Yeah, that's perfect. We were just
making sure that there wouldn't be any overhead sprayers where it's going to use a significant amount of water. So, >> yep. So, since we're on this topic, let's go to the Environmental Commission's agency review report, which is also attached to Jeff Fakarella's review letter. And this is the
Environmental Commission dated July 22, 2025. I'm going to read their comment and then you can respond to it. Applicant maintains there will be no increase in water usage. However, we suspect a garden center will require regular watering of garden stock.
Period. Can you respond to that? Certainly. Regulations state that water use is directed by the size of the building that has a roof and walls. This is really just going to be a structured tent with open air on it. In reality on
pragmatically, you're going to have a little bit of extra water uses because the water in the plants. Again, there's plants on site today that they are continuing to water. So from a high level standpoint, I don't um expect a substantial increase, but yes, in reality, there will probably be a little bit more water use on site to handle
those plants. >> When I read that, that's exactly how I interpret it. However, I need to ask this question. Now, having that separate site, right, rather than just up front >> uh will there be increase in your
material, garden material and >> there will be yes. And then do you know roughly by how much estimate? So this way we know roughly what the increase is of your water supply. >> Quick engineering math would be approximately
130 gallons per day. Where does that number come from? Sincerely there's a D code that tells you to take the square footage of a building times it by 0.1 and that's approximately how much. >> Is that okay? >> Yeah. Let's put it on the record. >> Thank you.
I have I have a question on the signage. Um, it says the applicant does you have no signage advertising propane sales at all? >> No, sir. >> None. >> All right. I thought I heard someone I didn't I didn't see him either, but I
thought >> it's like get your propane for the fair. >> The sign said get your propane for the fair. Yeah, I have a picture. >> Yeah, >> look on page eight of Jeff Varela's
memo. He has a picture of the sign. >> It says prepare for the fair. >> Yeah, >> it says prepare for the fair. >> I thought it said propane at the bottom of it. >> There you go. >> There's two There's two signs.
>> Either those say propane or they say >> propane. Okay. All right. I thought there were two signs there, but maybe one was for the tank and that was fair. >> Put it this way. If there's a sign advertising propane, you're going to get rid of it. Correct. >> Yes.
>> Because there's going to be a condition if the board approves it saying no advertising signs for propane. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> The only sign we're seeking here tonight is just a live good sign. >> Yeah. I I I don't remember seeing a sign there. That's why I was asking. >> Okay. >> It's okay. I could be wrong. I apologize
if I'm wrong, but I sworn I saw a sign for propane out front. >> Sure, >> whatever. >> You were right that they sold propane tanks. >> Yeah, maybe that's what it was for. >> In any event, lighting item starting at item 22. Uh, all good notes from Mr.
McCarthy will address them should the board vote favorably and make sure they're coordinated with the architectural drawings. Um item 25, other than the licensing and required building permits and DCA permits for these two structures, we don't believe that the other outside agencies are
applicable purely because we're disturbing less than 150 square feet. So you don't trigger the need for some of these usual outside a >> Let me ask you this. If you apply to the Hunter County Planning Board, they'll send you back a letter. If they say there's no approval, they'll say you don't need to apply to us. Y >> same thing with the conservation
district. Will you guys apply to all these places and either get approval or a letter of no interest or non-applicability or whatever the language is? >> Yes, that's acceptable. >> The rest of the items we will comply with that are administrative. >> I'm sorry to go back to item number 17
on the truck turning templates. I'm not sure if Jay you're going to get into that with your report. >> Uh our traffic engineer will testify that he's next with us >> but you will provide that. And ma'am, just to give a little extra um
information to lead the next witness, um tractor supplies, just based on my operations that I've done across the state, they get a WB67. That's what the site is designed for. That's the biggest tractor trailer that it gets that services the whole store. The bulk propane will get a bobtail truck
specific for delivering. >> What is a bobtail truck? >> It's about 26 to 28 feet long. It is not articulating like you would see a semi-trail. And essentially, it will come on demand. It's two to three,000 gallons depending on what Suburban Gas has in their fleet. Again, ours is about
a thousand gallons, so it's only going to bring one to three sites in their route. It will be able to drive through the fenced outdoor display area, and there's no modifications to that. You can do that currently today. Granted, the gates are usually always closed, but if you needed to pick up some of that
bulk product, you can drive through there, which is why your fire marshall said, "Make sure you keep that lane 20 ft," which we testified to earlier that we will comply with. So, just to answer a little bit of your question because I know too much about bulk propane tanks, a bobtail truck will come. It's about 26 to 28 ft. It is not articulating. The
site has been designed previously back in 07 to handle the articulating tractor trailer of the WB67. Our smaller bobtail truck for bulk propane will easily be able to maneuver through the site. And that is the only other delivery truck that we use for the site. Correct. >> That is correct.
>> And isn't it also correct? Our ordinary delivery truck only comes once a week. >> That's correct. Thank you. Uh just a question related to uh observations during my visit to the site um there's a uh because of the nature of the business there's a large number of pallets.
>> Yes. >> That have to be recycled. >> Yes. >> And they're kind of stored all over the place as well as outside in the drive lane on the property. >> Um we don't >> that is part of our efforts to clean up the site.
>> Okay. So that's there's on page five of Jeff's report is exhibit two. It looks like there are is that pallets on the left hand side stacked on the grass on the left hand side of the driveway? >> Yes, that is correct. >> Okay. So what is what does the board
want in terms of a condition? Do does the site plan show an area to store pallets or not? >> No, >> they don't. Typically they are stored temporarily in the back and I ma'am you are correct. They do have it in the back. The pallets go back onto the
tractor trailer. So when Tractor Supplies Tractor comes to drop off product, they bring their bailed cardboard, which is also in the rear of the site if you went today to look at it. And they take back a lot of their pallets for reuse or recycling at their warehouse at a different site. So you'll
see occasionally through the season changes, stacking of pallets. We understand though that maybe there was some concern of it being in the parking lot area as part of property maintenance. We can make sure that's located near the loading area and located within the fenced area.
>> So there's going to be outside storage outside of the gated. >> Okay. Okay. Nobody's speaking to my phone. I need you. >> So if I can clarify this so there's so there's going to be outside storage outside of the gated area. >> Yes, that is correct. There will be outside storage outside the gated area,
but that outside storage is our recyclable. So it's part of our refuge. So, you're saying that the pallets are part of there's fencing. >> If I can just clarify real quick, once a week when the delivery truck comes with the pallets of the goods that unloads it
and picks up the prior pallets, takes it away, and that's how they recycle them. >> I understand you need some, in my opinion, you need some area on the site on the site plan designated for that. Or what's going to happen is what happened this last time around. Everyone loves the store,
>> right? put it out there, but it looks a little messy because they put the pallets wherever they want to put the pallet. >> So, can >> So, I guess what I would >> Yeah. What I would want to say for the record is since we have the omnivous clause in our public notice for additional variance relief, we'd ask
permitted >> it's not a notice issue, >> but but still, I'm just getting there that we can have outside storage outside the fence area provided that it is in connection with our recycling efforts. The site location, >> the I'm getting there. the site location.
>> Can you just take even though this seems like a stupid detail, get the five minute recess. Have these guys get >> Yeah, I was going to say subject to the engineers. >> Find a find an area where they all agree it should be stored. Put it on the plan. We'll make that an exhibit and then it's
outside fenced area and you'll also see youth varian. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Because my cons, if I could clarify, my concern is I saw pallets in the driveway adjacent to the loading dock. I saw pallets outside the fence in the gate in the back. And then there was
a large number of pallets just behind the fence in the back. So they kind of were all over the place. >> One of their bunch of applications. So I don't want to get this on her. I want to try to like get this thing resolved before we go anywhere with it. So, does
anyone else want to tell them how they feel about pallets before you take a five minute recess? >> No, you you said it well. >> Donna has said it well. >> Okay. Five minute recess. You guys go find a place where they >> Okay.
>> I assume John's still on. >> No, John's there. >> Okay. Good. Okay. I understand that there's been a professionals meeting and they've come up with a solution. I'm gonna ask Ryan if you can describe the solution and then I'm going to ask the applicant if he's said anything
incorrectly or if you want to add something, add something. So Ryan, >> sure. >> What has been at least agreed upon by the professionals for board approval? >> For board approval, the condition would be to that the pallet storage would be limited to the eastern paved area.
>> You're going to have to go slow because I'm taking notes. >> So, it'll be the eastern side of the building, which is more or less the rear of the building, looking at it from Route 31. Um, it will be in the paved area to the back. And for tonight, we'll
say it'll just be in that area, but for resolution compliance, the applicant would have to delineate that on the plan to show a striped area that would say pallet storage. So, hold on. The area shall be delineated on the plan and
striped in the field on the pa in the striped on the pavement. Correct. With some sort of painted on pavement signage
saying pallet storage area. >> Sure. Yep. >> Okay. Is there any height limitation to how high they can be stacked? >> Sure. Uh the the height that would be requested is that it would be 8 feet would be the maximum height of the pallets. Um and then for that as well
the uh else I think that was it was missing. >> Yeah. The only other thing is that it's that it would have to be away from any view from 31. So, it'd have to be in the
rear of the building, but um it it'd have to fully encompass behind the building, not just the rear. So, >> yeah, no problem. >> So, no sidelines. >> Yeah. And >> Yes. >> And this is only for pallets because when I when I was out there, it also
there's also fencing on top of the pallets. Would is that is that common? Is that just for this instance? Is it is it usually um picked up at the same time? >> Fences. >> Do you mean like fence they sell or something?
>> Yeah. I I don't know if it's just it's just >> Yeah, it >> Sorry, sir. It's not common. It is literally being moved into the fenced outdoor display area. >> Okay. Thank you. So, the only >> John, do you want to go? >> Jim has something to say.
>> Can we Can that be said all at one time? >> Sure. I will repeat it back. >> Last last thing would be to show we were already asking for the truck circulation plan um or the turning templates, but the that would also be part of that. It would show that the striped area would
not be impacted by the truck turning template and that's everything. >> Do you have anything else? >> Yes. The storage outside of the fence would be limited only to the pallets. So this this area is outside the fence area. >> That's correct.
>> So they will need a use variance allow correct >> resolution. >> Okay. >> Okay. was pallet storage only
outside the fenced area. >> If it's acceptable to the board's professionals on the board, can we please increase the height of the pallets from 8 to 10 ft? Reason why is that the ordinary pickup is at 22 feet? >> 22 pallets went to
>> the standard. What's the height of 22 >> on that construction storage more than 8 ft? >> Is that >> the uh the snow place? >> Yeah, it was higher than >> Okay, it's 10 ft accept >> 10 feet acceptable to you guys. Okay, so
hold on. 10 feet. >> Thank you. Okay, >> Jim, I'm going to read this back. So their notice has a catchall language in there. In my opinion, it would cover this D1 use variance to allow storage
outside the fenced area but for pallets only. And the condition is going to be pallet storage is limited to the eastern side but to the rear of the building in a paved area. The area shall be delineated on
the site plan and striped on the pavement with paint on the pavement signage saying quote pallet store pallet storage area end quote height limit of 10 ft for the pallet stacks and this
area has to be away from view of route 31 and the area cannot impact the truck turning area. How's that sound? >> Perfect. >> Good. Quick straw poll. Good. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Yep.
>> Okay. >> Where were we? >> Okay. >> You have any other comments for the board's professional report? Uh, not for engineering, for planning, not to jump ahead. I know I'm not the planner, but in the planners review letter, there are site plan comments to address. Can you
address those comments today? >> Certainly. Um, >> closer to the microphone. So the planners report is dated August 15, 2025. Correct. Correct. So which comments do you want to address? Uh item 13
talk uh item 12 and 13. The approval of the original uh application had a fence much lower. The actual existing fence which we are not modifying out there today is about 10 ft high. So that is again I think Mr. Joel, at this point in
the planners letter, we're trying to clean up. >> Right. So, this is going to be you're seeking another modification. This one's of condition 2A to allow the fence to be 8.25 ft high. Is that correct? >> It's to be 10 ft high. >> To be 10 ft high. I'm sorry.
>> Because that is the again that is not proposed. That is what is out there today. So, we're cleaning up paperwork. Right. Wait a minute. Okay, got that. >> So, is that a variance? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> For But it's an existing It's an existing condition.
>> Well, >> no, no, no, no. It's it's a existing condition which was never approved. >> Yes. >> So, they need a C variance to allow it to go to Tennessee and a condition modification. >> Yep. to allow it to go to 10 ft. >> Thank you. >> And the the screened area, it's only in
the front, correct? >> Yes, that is correct. >> Okay. The existing condition says it the entire fence should be screened in. I mean, the rear >> isn't. >> You don't really see uh but that's that's also that that condition. >> Okay. So, you want the condition
modified so you only have to screen the front. >> Yes, sir. >> Yes. Okay. >> Which is it the same condition 2A? >> Hold on. Okay. What else? Two more and then I'm done. Item 14. correctly identified by your
planner that on the north side adjacent to the building, there are additional trailers in parking spaces that are not within the the designated trailer display area. Due to the success of the store, the applicant is asking to keep those spaces designated for possible
trailer storage. Yes, out there today and correctly identified by your plan, there's additional pallets. We've testified that those will be relocated back into the pallet designated area or the fenced outdoor display. But but due to the existing nature of the success of the store, they're asking the board to
expand the site identification on the site plan that will allow those spaces to house the additional trailers. And there's a picture in the planner report. >> And those trailers exist there today, correct? >> Yes. >> Which condition is this yet?
your item 14 and your item. It looks like 18, but is it also item 15? No. So, >> no, it's just >> Is this just shown on the site plan or is it condition 2C? >> It's 2C. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Condition 2C. No storage and or display
in the parking lot on the property with the sole exception being outdoor display area. They'll be permitted in the permanent trailer equipment display area as designated on the site plan. So, Mr. Dill, >> explain to me what the modification. >> Certainly, if you take a look at page
nine of your planners report, they do a good job taking the original approved site plan and then highlighting the areas where we're allowed outdoor storage. >> You'll see on the north side of the tractor supply, you'll see a row of eight parking spaces out there today.
Currently, there are trailers. >> Yes. Can you please point that out? exhibit >> parking spaces >> the ones closest to the loading the strip loading >> the ones which are in the picture. >> Yes. >> So the eight spaces that are closest to
the loading area is that the one that's correct talking about >> there's also a picture on page six exhibit five and four. A >> picture on page six exhibit four >> and five and five. Aha.
So, what's the request? To amend the site plan and the condition of the original approval to allow outdoor storage of the trailer and equipment display area in those eight parking spaces. >> That means you're going from 81 spaces
down to eight less. 70 73. So, someone's going to be testifying that 73 spaces is sufficient, I assume. >> Yes, that is correct. So, you're going to need an additional C parking variance besides the modification of this condition, correct?
>> Yep. >> Just a clarification, the area in exhibit the photo in exhibit five where it shows the trailers, but then it also shows I'm assuming that's top bags of top soil and stuff. I forget what it was. So >> those will be relocated.
>> Okay. Because otherwise you'd need more parking variances, I think. >> So is is there an area of the outside storage area that's that isn't being utilized that then that that there's room for for the mulch bags? I'm kind of
It's not really delineated. It's just an outside storage. I was just I'm just curious as far as the inventory of what what's consistent, what's not, and what where there's room, where there's not, and it could correlate with the the need for outside storage. >> Yeah, certainly. If you if you went
today, for example, and you walked in the fenced outdoor display, that's the 20,000 square feet behind the 10-ft fence, there's plenty of real estate to provide more pallets and other bulk product. Right now, it's just located on the outside of the building. So, it's an easy property maintenance thing to just relocate it.
>> Okay. >> And can you just explain why the trailers though are in the parking spaces? >> Uh, easy access when should you purchase it or rent it, you can then hook your car up to it essentially. >> Okay. >> Anything else? Last one, Mr. Joel. And again, just following your board
planners uh review letter, item 15 talks about the tents within the storage area. Again, if anyone on this board or the professionals have been to the site today, you will see two green tents. Inside of those two tents is simply product. One of the tents has some bulkier items such as um patio stoves
and chicken coops. The other one has hay and pellets inside of it. They like to keep that covered from the rain. >> Are those tents a fixed into the pavement with, you know, tent pins or bolts or anything? >> There's bolts. Correct. >> Okay. So, it's a permanent structure. So, it needs site plan approval. It's
not shown. Is it shown on the prop on this site plan? >> I believe we show it and we show the I believe we show both tents. Yes. >> So the the comment though from your planner said there was never an approval for those tents. >> That's true. >> Yes. >> But you're seeking approval for the tents tonight. >> Yes. We we would not like to remove
them. We would like to keep them. >> They don't need any variance or exception for the tents. They just need site plan approval for the tents. Correct. >> Correct. >> Okay. So there's no condition modification that you need for that in my opinion. Do you agree? >> I agree. >> Okay.
>> I agree. >> That's pretty. >> Are you going to address I'm sorry. 17. >> Mr. Dill, that that is the remaining civil engineering comments I wanted to address through the board planner. Guess number 17. Sorry. That's all right. She doesn't talk very loud.
>> I'm sorry. Could you please address number 17? >> There you go. >> So, yes, even today before this application, the the fence outdoor display area is designed to be able to drive through it. The gates, as you will see if you drive past it, are usually
closed. You would go in, you would buy that larger bulk product, and then they would open the gate, you would drive through, and then the employee would help you load up your car, your pickup, or the trailer that you had for those big bulkier items. They'll open up the back gate, you'll drive through, and then it'll be enclosed again for
security purposes. No change in that operation even with the two structures that we're seeking amended approval for this evening, >> which includes a propane sale. >> That is correct. Thank you. >> Who's going to address uh the first part of 16?
that says the applicant shall provide an exhibit showing all the features within the fenced area so that there's a discussion and the board will have to determine whether or not these items are permitted. That's me. It I I think we discussed it right behind the building. Now on the eastern side there will be
the pallet storage we talked about. On the northern side we'll have the additional um trailer storage. So, so my plan will in resolution compliance should the board vote favorably, we'll add those two items to the records site plan set. >> But within the fence area, what features
within the >> Are you talking about the actual products? >> Yeah. >> So, we we typically will not we won't ask the board not to delineate the exact products. Why? Because seasonally they change. In winter time, we got snowb blowers coming in in April. Then we have log splitters and other items. We what
we can do though um sir is we can give you a list of those products that we have through the season so you know what's allowed in certain areas but we try not to put a site plan for that because they do move as the seasons change. >> That's fine. >> Yeah, that's fine.
>> Yeah, thank you. >> Certainly. >> So for my purposes, what am I supposed to do with that? the condition that there's going to be a list of inventory of what seasonal and u >> the location I'm just for arguments what
happens if like there's a new product that comes on the market for the winter or a new product that comes on the market for the spring it's not on the list they have to update the list >> I mean it's more insurance to ensure that all conditions are met so it's something that we can at least get a
heads up as to what >> for the list itself instead of it being specific to the exact item can it be more of generality like snow removal equipment. >> That's right. >> List of inventory type of list of type of inventory in
>> seasonal inventory >> areas by season. >> Yep, that's acceptable. Thank you. >> You're on a roll, right? So, who's doing 19, 20, 21, 22,
23? >> I'll do it all, Mr. >> I'll roll through everything for you, >> right? >> And then Mr. Craig can clean up anything that I missed, which I'm sure we'll find one or two. >> Item 19 we just discussed. That's the list of inventories that we just mentioned. Um, item 20, we will agree we
do not need to seek an an amendment that simply says, "Move the barbecues that are currently in front of the front door and just put them in the correct area as originally approved." Um, item 21, same thing. We will keep any product outside of the designated drive aisles. We discussed that this
evening. 22. Why is there an additional dumpster on site? The applicant is cleaning up the property. We're upgrading the site. Part of the reason we're here tonight is >> a temporary dumpster. They will be gone this week. Y >> Okay. >> Okay. Number 23 must be a picture of
those things for the >> for the fair. One of them has been there I believe yearly. >> Yes. So So item 23 and there's pictures um which we thought earlier said the propane. Um those two are Tractor Supply
advertising signage. They take two of their products. They wrap it with the seasonal signage. Um the the planner correctly calls out that it's not permitted. It's been there for quite some time. We're adding >> just so you know. So at the time this was approved back in 2007, Jeff wasn't
the planner. >> Okay. >> Another planner. I'm not going to name the name. You can read the resolution and see. They had a certain interpretation of signage. And then once Jeff became the planner, board has been pretty consistent since
at least 2016 that if you want any type of signage in a residential zone, which this is used, >> you need a board member that needs to step out for a few minutes. >> I just want to make note of that. >> Do you want to Do you want to take another recess? Is it going to be a recess step out or a long step out?
>> No, we're not going to take another recess. >> Okay. >> We'll bring him up to speed. We'll bring him up to speed. >> We don't need his vote if you wanted. >> You all right going with one, two, three, four? >> You got seven anyway. >> I'm good. >> Okay. >> I want to make sure.
>> Okay. >> Thank you. >> So, technically, yes, >> you need a use variance for any signage in the residential zone. >> Yep. So you guys want a use variance to have products with advertising which is
a sign or do do you really need that? Because that one that one might be tough on them because they're going to be concerned that if they grant it for you, this one's going to be a rough one because everyone's going to want them
and then they don't want they don't want Route 31 looking like Route 22 in Union. We don't want cars wrapped with signs. >> Yeah. In other words, if you put a product out in your display area, it doesn't have the product. But it's the signage that's
the problem. >> Can we table that? And What do we mean? What I mean by that is I want to amend my application to not include that. Also, not not include that. So, if we want to come back for that signage variance, we can. >> So, why don't you just withdraw it? >> So, right now, we're just withdrawing it, >> right? You're going to withdraw. You're
not going to ask that it be voted on one way or the other. You're going to withdraw the any ex. So, there's going to be a condition that's going to say no additional signage unless >> you come back for a devarian. >> Unless we come back to seek that relief. >> Ju just to be clear, Mr. Joe, cuz I know
you're very thorough. We're just not talking about those two signs. However, the applicant still has the garden sign. >> Correct. Okay. I just want to be very clear about that one's a use variance, but that's a different >> Yes, I agree. >> That's a different animal than these. >> Okay, great. >> My only request with that if if you are
pursuing that that there be a letter in some sort of timeline just so there isn't any notice or anything that then proceeds from from the planning zoning office. Understood. So I guess what I would say is that within the next 90 days, we'll
make a determination. Okay. >> And if we go to seek that relief, we'll have to submit a site plan application for that relief, all the checklist requirements, public notice, and all the other satisfactory elements for the L and the Smith zoning ordinance. >> Okay. >> So this is item 23.
You're not seeking a devariance for that. That's going to be the condition. No additional signage without first applying for and obtaining a D1 use variance. Item 25, you're applying for a D1 use sign use variance for that sign.
That's the Gardens 85 square foot garden center sign. Correct. That >> is correct. Okay. And then what about item 24? >> 24 is a comment and we agree with it that we're not going to have trailer storage along Route 202. 25 we just discussed. >> Yep.
>> 26. Yes. We are replacing the BOP US signs and we'll have proposed veteran parking signs. And what is a bus? It's essentially the online pickup. >> Okay, >> John, I'd like to consider taking a
break only because now we we backed off of the sign, which means Steve wouldn't have to hear that. >> No, no, we're not taking a break. He's he's gone. We have seven people. >> Okay. All right. >> Go ahead.
>> If you didn't have seven people be a different issue, but once he's out, it's not like you can >> Well, what he missed what he missed was the taking out of what's going to be on what we're voting on tonight. The applicant understands the risk that
we would have one less voting member, but considering the fact we have seven, we for approval, we'd like to move forward. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Just to be clear for uh the planner, item 26 that the applicant just whispered in my ear while you were dialoguing. It's going to be both. >> The existing sign that's out there
today, we're also going to be adding venerate signage. There's no variance associated with it. It's just saying if you're a veteran, you can park in this one of these premier front parking spaces. How many veteran spaces and how many opus spaces? B US >> two each. >> Two each.
>> So four total. Two are existing out there today. We're adding two veteran parking signs. >> Jay, do you want to know where or you don't care? >> I saw. >> Yeah. Okay. Great. >> 27. The synographer is across from >> 28. Okay. All right. The only the only
comment that I believe you addressed was number 15, but could you confirm that there's there's product that's stored higher than the gate the the fence height? >> Not in the tents, but yes, currently there is product that is above the 10
foot fence. >> So, the condition was based up in an 8ft fence, but yet there's storage even higher on a 10 f. >> Hold on. What condition are you talking about? >> Jeffrey, grab that microphone, please.
>> 2B. 2B. >> Just let me just read what 2B says. What page you page 21B? It says any and all storage racks and or storage
containers located in the fenced large outdoor storage area shall not extend above the height of the fence if located in the front half of the fenced area. If the fence is now allowed to go to 10 ft, then they would be allowed to go to 10 ft. Correct.
>> Correct. Now it further says any storage racks and or storage containers that exceed the height of the fence shall be located in the rear half of the fence large outdoor display area. But in no event shall storage racks or storage containers exceed 12 feet in
height. You have any racks or storage containers that exceed 12 feet in height right now? >> Not tall. >> No, they're not. They don't exceed 12 feet. >> Okay. So it looks like they can comply with this condition. How is everything?
>> Can we just >> listen? >> Just going to take a break. >> Two two. >> Seven members strong. >> Look at that. >> We only lost one.
>> Calling the meeting back to order. Let's continue. >> I think you were done. >> I am sorry. And I think we're getting Corey. >> Cory Chase, our traffic engineer. >> All right. >> Making progress.
>> Thanks, sir. Mr. Chase, can you please put on your educational credentials on the record and whether or not your license is still in good standing? >> Certainly. Again, good evening, everyone. Corey Chase with Dynamic Traffic, licensed professional engineer in the state of New Jersey. Lic >> license is currently in good standing.
uh principal with the firm Dynamic Traffic, bachelor's of science degree in civil engineering from the University of Massachusetts, been qualified as an expert in traffic engineering before over a 100 municipalities throughout the state, including the township. Uh but it's been some years now >> and your license is still in good
standing. >> It is. Does this board accept him as an expert in traffic engineering? >> No, we're good. Thank you. >> Terrific. Uh Mr. Chase, did you have an opportunity to review Mr. Troutman's report dated August 15, 2025 regarding this project. >> I did. >> Great. Can you please uh walk us through
any comments you have? >> Yes, certainly. Um again referring to the McDunn and Ray Associates August 15, 2025 review letter. Uh five comments in total provided by Mr. Troutman. Uh the first one is editorial as Mr. Drill
likes to refer to it as just describing the trip generation. Again, uh very minor increase in the overall square footage for the proposed development. Had a very nominal increase in traffic generation. Um as we just walked through, comment number two describes
that 99 parking spaces are currently required. >> So I have a question. >> Certainly. >> Adding propane. I can understand the garden. So adding the propane, what you're saying is it's just going to be nominal increase. >> Yeah, that's correct. So we look at the
uh square footage the trip generation is based on the square footage associated with the site. So we look at the addition of the propane as an added amenity to the existing customer base. You may get as was described in the comment. You could get potentially two
additional customers during a peak hour as a result of that addition, but overall you're not going to see a substantial increase in traffic to or from the site as a result of that. either the the outdoor garden center or the bulk propane. >> Do you have I I know you guys do it
nationally, but is there any facts of what you're saying that you can say that this is what's happening at a site where you do sell propane versus not? >> Why don't you give us some idea how many people a day come to get their propane tank filled?
>> Is there a line like 20 people deep and they're back up onto the street? >> No, there's not. And as Mr. Wald indicated it's a thous propane tank and it's filled several times a year. So based on that distribution, you know, filling 20 gallon, 100gallon tanks, it's
it's very limited. You could see two to three customers on a a peak day. >> Is it most of the customers they run out of propane while they're grilling and then they have to rush over to fill their tank? >> Mr. Dr. I would say it's more on the
bulk side of things. You're probably going to see more people who have a RV or something like that filling a larger tank. I think if you run out of propane for your grill, you're probably going to Lowe's or Home Depot and just exchanging the tank. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Good. Good. Thank you. >> Mr. Chase, is it safe to say that the
traffic for the propane can be monitored and controlled given the fact that the patrons have to come in to purchase the propane and then the employee is brought outside to let him in the gate? >> That's correct. >> Uh, comment number two, Mr. Troutman's letter was referring to the parking. Uh
99 spaces are currently required whereas 81 spaces are currently or provided onise 73. >> So that's what I was getting to. So as a result of the additional outdoor storage spaces on the northeast corner of the building that'll be reduced to 73. Uh we
do have the advantage of having a site that's well established and there's no history of there ever being close to a parking problem on site. So the reduction of those eight additional spaces to provide additional outdoor storage certainly will not cause a parking problem in my >> So I have a question on that. Do you
know roughly on a big time today how many are filled? >> I personally in my experience of driving by that site hundreds of times. I've never seen that parking lot more than oneird full. >> Okay.
Comment number three uh refers to the how how one patron would access the propane. I believe Mr. Sewell described that in detail. I'd be happy to go through it again for the board's benefit, but >> anyone wanted to go through it again? >> No. >> Nope. >> Okay. >> That's what I thought. Comment number
four. M. Mr. Trapman asked for some additional striping and signage in the circulation area in the outdoor storage area. We're happy to work with his office to provide additional arrows, verbiage on the pavement describing that it is in fact one way in a west to east direction behind the building. So happy
to work with his office to establish that >> and it will be a 20 foot. >> That's correct. It's also as Mr. Seawald indicated pursuant to the fire marshall's comment, it's denoted as 14t in width on the plan, but we will be modifying that to 20 ft in width to
comply with the fire marshall's comment. And comment number five, I believe was also covered by Mr. Seawald. And again, in the interest of time, uh, we agreed to provide that truck circulation plan. >> Questions for this witness, >> Mr. Pada, but happy to answer any questions that the board has or its
professional. >> Anyone have any questions for this witness? >> You're okay. Okay. >> Yeah. I don't take any issue with that testimony. >> Okay. >> All right. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. If I may, I'd like to call my last witness, my planner, Craig Rancamp.
>> Why don't we do John Morgan Thomas before the planner? >> Yeah, that's >> his his uh his report. >> Sure. >> Who's who's going to do his report? >> He's still there. >> Josh there. Yes, he is. >> Yeah. I'm going to bring back up Mr.
Seawol, my civil engineer. Okay, put it this way. I have arrows by sentences in Mr. Thomas's report that would become conditions. So, I'm just going to ask and then I'm going to Mr. Thomas is listening. John, if I miss
something, you tell me. >> Okay. So under item one, the condition would be that the 20ft rolling gate on the parking lot side of the fence area sha not should
shall be constructed of the same materials as the original gate to maintain the design continuity and screening of the outdoor storage as originally approved. You agree to that as a condition? It will look like the original gate. It may be a different material, John.
>> It will still look good. It'll be black. It'll be screened. It just may be a more modern material >> material >> similar >> that looks like the original gate, etc., etc. John, is that acceptable to you? >> Oh, that's fine. So, it's just when you
say it's a explain what the modern material is. I mean, it's it's an aluminum estate fence essentially what's up there now. So what's the what would be the difference? >> There just might be some additional beams and structure because it's going to one 20 foot long. Right now it's it's two that's separated. Yeah.
>> Understood. There may be a cross brace on it or something. >> Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. >> No, that's fine. >> Okay. Under his paragraph two, I have three arrows. First one, as a condition of approval, all landscape planting included in the original approved plans
shall be evaluated and replaced if dead or dying. If dead, dying, or damaged. This shall include landscape planting and required storm water basin planting. Agreed.
>> Agreed. >> Second sentence. He notes several street trees were severely damaged and improperly bloom pruned to the point where they shall be removed and replaced. Agreed.
>> Agreed. >> The next sentence do your testimony after. Oh, okay. He says it appears. >> You want to give any testimony about that or not? >> I agree with with John's suggestion. If you keep reading one of his last
sentences, he suggests that instead of replacing the trees and kinds, a revised landscaping plan be submitted. That way, they don't get pruned in five to 10 years again. So, we'll we'll remove the severely pruned trees and then we'll give him a couple additional plants and trees that he would approve, but they
will be out of the line of sight of the signage. I think that's where he was getting to, right, Mr. Thomas? >> That that that's correct. I didn't see any point of of putting the same identical trees back in. And you would want to for visibility to the sign, which you know, I believe on this site
is important. Having driven past, I I I I get what happened. I think we just need to put new ones in and adjust the location. U you know, as long as we're basically keeping the same quantity that was in the original approval.
>> Agreed. And lastly, he has a tree maintenance condition. I'm not going to read it verbatim, but that's the condition. Agreed. >> Agreed. Okay, that's John Thomas's report. >> Thank you, Mr. >> Now you're done and done.
>> Mr. Ring Camp, can you please provide our educational credentials and whether or not your license is still in good standing? >> Uh, good evening. Undergraduate from the University of Pennsylvania, graduate from Georgetown. I've been licensed uh in New Jersey for 30 years, and appear before planning and zoning boards on a regular basis. >> And your license is still in good
standing? It is >> terrific. Does this board accept him as an expert in planning? >> Any questions, concerns? No. >> Yes. >> Perfect. Thank you. U Mr. Rancamp, I know tonight you have heard not only the variances that were duly noted and requested in our public notice, but we
also added to that list as well. Can you please walk us through all those variances and whether or not they are subsumed in the D1 and do we meet those standards? >> Yes. Um and I will greatly shorten the evening by adopting the testimony of Mr. Seawald and Chase. I was here for their testimony um and participated in the
break with them to uh make sure we went through all of the planning comments. So, so I I think I won't duplicate all of that. There's just a couple of things to say backing up the uh testimony that they've given you from a planning perspective. Um as the board is aware, this was a 2007 uh use variance to allow
this use to be constructed um in an R3 district. Um all of the findings that the board made at that time are still true. These are pretty minor amendments to the site itself. Um the planning documents in your community support a change in zoning here that hasn't happened yet. Um and in fact it clearly
is a commercial corridor up and down the road on on either side or other commercial uses. So it's an appropriate place for this D1 to continue and the expansions that we're talking about. Um I would point out that the garden center is not a new use. These are goods that are currently being sold on the site.
it's simply being shifted to a different area and in a structure that wasn't currently part of the site plan approval. Um the propane tank is a new accessory use. Um it similarly is being located in an area where other accessory uses were to be located already. Um so
it's physically in the right place. Um even though we are expanding the accessory uses available on the site. Um as has been discussed we are amending the site plan. There are C2 variances for parking and fence height. um amendments of the condition of the
original use variance um as was discussed by by Mr. Seawald um and I believe the new DV variances are limited to the sign um and the additional of the addition of the accessory use um in terms of the purposes for the expansion
of the D1 into those two new areas. Um, obviously we're meeting a customer need and providing propane. Um, and allowing tanks to be filled let you uh ser serve the RV and and boat market in a way that exchanges can't. Um, so it's not just
that this is a another way of doing your grilling propane. This is actually serving a need in the community that that's very difficult to address otherwise. Um, and and um, this company has has been in the lead in providing that service nationally. Um, in terms of the intent of the zone plan, um, under
TWWC reality, uh, it's not having an impact on the ability of any of the lands around it to be used as zoned. Um, it's not having that kind of, uh, cascading effect, if you will, in terms of impacting the way your zoning ordinance works in this area. Um, and obviously, we're not near anybody, so
there there is no perimeter walking around the site thinking who these things are going to impact. There's no uh negative impact to the neighborhood based on the variances that we are seeking. Um and so for those reasons, I think the limited amount of relief that's been identified um is appropriate for the site. And I'll stop there and
let your questions guide me. >> So I do have a question. >> Yes, sir. >> So you said of a customer need. >> Yes, sir. >> And I kind of agree with what you're saying. >> Thank you, sir. >> But uh curiosity wise, who else serves RVs with propans around here in this
area? >> What do you competition? >> Who else would serve the RV market? And and frankly, I haven't done a market study in the area, so I I can't answer that directly. >> Anybody answer that? >> They're not close. >> I can't let me ask the board something.
>> Over the last five years, have you guys had applications for propane tank or large tank like this? Have you ever had an application like this for a thousand gallon tank? >> Nim.
>> You've That was small. Yeah, RV. >> Those are exchange. >> So maybe you can rely on your own experience that the only propane tank applications you've had are ones for the exchange at gas stations that you've you
have never had one like this. >> Thank you. >> So this is going to be unique and it will provide that service you're talking about. >> Thank you, sir. >> Yeah. >> Anyone have any other questions for him? the who's going to answer the one
signage issue? Remember we had a separate signage thing. >> Separate what? >> The sign variance that's a variance that that should be tested. >> So so the the in other words explain why you need an
85 square foot sign that says >> um garden center, >> right? Um so the temporary signage is is not part of this application. So that's being removed. The only thing that we're adding to the current signage mix is is indicating where the garden center is. Um so existing customers at the moment
are used to seeing trees in various incundary places. So this is simply communication to the customer to indicate to them now you're looking coming to the site looking for trees. That's where you go. So it's an efficiency for on-site communication to customers indicating where this service is being offered on the site. Um it's no
different than for example on a Walmart having a pharmacy sign at one side so you know what door to go in. This is simply indicating where this product is now going to be located which is different than what people have experienced in the past. So there's a need to communicate this this change. >> So it's achen to essentially a
pedestrian wayfinding signage. >> Exactly. >> Well, yes. It's going to you're going to decide where to park based on Oh yeah, I need to go to that area. >> Right. >> Um can I just ask a question about the sign? I sorry I did not have time to read the details of the sign. Could you just tell me what it's
>> Yeah. Okay. Put it up. Where the sign shown on the plan? What sheet? >> Mr. Seald answer that question. >> You thought you were done. Huh? >> Just It doesn't have to be that detailed. Just I didn't have a chance to read. >> I believe it's on the architectural drawing. But what sheet?
>> It's on sheet seven of the engineering plan and sheet A2 the architectural plan. >> If you guys want to hear from the architect, you can. But I mean, if you can do it up the engineering plan, >> I believe Mr. Seall can testify to the signage, including the details. Why
don't you walk us through those, Mr. Seaw Wall? >> No problem. It is sheet seven of the record civil drawing that's before you. It is uh identified as garden center signage detail. It is approximately 13 ft long and approximately 6 ft high. >> Okay.
>> All right. >> Is it internally lit? >> Is it lit? >> It's not lit. No, it is not lit. It is not internally lit. >> I have someone who's under oath answer that. >> Is it internally lit, Mr. Seawolf? No. >> Okay. >> Thank you.
>> Thank you. Okay. And as we stated, there is no um no one in the public from here. >> Correct. >> And so I think we can close for deliberation. >> Yep. If you want to know the relief that I think is necessary.
Huh. Okay, I'm going to ask Mr. Rancamp and the applicant's attorney to see if I missed anything, but they need a D1 variance. First of all,
it's a D1, not a D2. A D2 is an expansion of non-conforming use variance. This is not a non-conforming use. This is a use allowed by a D1 variant. So if you want to expand it, you need another D1 variance. So they need a D1 variance, as Mr. Rancamp said,
to expand the use to include two additional accessory uses, and that is the ones that they've described, the garden center and the propane tank. Mhm. >> They need a D1 S variance for that garden center sign because the ordinance
section 296-163A lists signs allowed in the residential zone. >> Mhm. >> And this sort of sign is not allowed in the residential zone. A wall sign is not. There's a general ordinance
provision that says if something's not permitted, it's prohibited. So, this is a prohibited sign. That's why they need a D1 use variance for the sign. They need a C variance. And Mr. Rain Campus said C2 and I agree. It's not a hardship. It's a C2 fence to be 10 ft.
And my suggestion is I think the reason that you had in the underlying resolution for the 8ft fence can apply to the 10-ft fence. And they need a C2 variance for parking. They had a prior variance in the resolution to go from 99
to 83 spaces. Now they want to go to 70 >> 99 to 81. Now they want to go to 73 spaces. I think that same C2 variance applies. They you've had testimony that it's not going to be a problem for them.
They want to modify three conditions. Condition 2 A, 2 C, and D1. 2A is the height of fence. That's going to coincide with the C2 fence variance.
2C to allow the outdoor storage of trailers in the eight parking spaces. that ties in with the C2 parking variance to lower the number of spaces from 81 to 73 and D1 which is the hours
of operation and when you guys have had modification applications you know for conditions the general standards good cause so if you find a good cause here they're providing um additional
aspects of the business which you know in general general welfare. Um, just like they Mr. Rancamp discussed with the propane tank. You have, you know, RV fills also. Now, they're going to have an an expanded garden center. It's not going to create
a a whole bunch of new traffic, but customers that like going to the store are going to sounds like have a greater variety of things to pick from and preliminary and final site plan. I missed anything. >> And the pallets. >> Could we also include the pallets? >> Outdoor storage of pallets.
>> You're right. out those storage of pallets. >> Um, how did that not get on my list? I mean, I have it for a variance. I have it >> I didn't list. That's what happened. I didn't list. It's a D1 >> for the outdoor storage of pallets and I
have all my notes on that but didn't make it down here. >> Yeah, I just treated that as an amendment of the site plan. Yes, >> that's the D1. Yeah, the D1 variance and that's part of we're going to call this preliminary and final site plan. This is not amended site plan. >> Okay. >> Preliminary and final site plan to allow
>> Yep. >> Then I should probably >> I will amend amend my testimony to add that D to the list that I had testified to. It still has no impact on the intent of the zone plan or the adjacent uses >> and cleans up the site.
>> Well, those are all conditions. That's not that's not relief that they need. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Just the parking requirement actually went up by five because of the garden center. So, it's 104. >> Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Let me get that written down.
>> So, you're saying because of the garden center, it should have been 104. >> Hey, where is that in your report? Just like second. Oh, you didn't give me the total. >> Okay. >> So, the parking tape summary table. >> Okay. Now, I see it. That's
look closer at what you're telling. >> Okay. Have I missed anything else? No, you have not. >> Right. >> Okay. >> So that's So if you can deliberate, but if someone wanted to make a motion, you make a motion to grant all the relief. >> Never mind. It's their
>> I'll make the motion. >> No, I'm going to deliberate. >> You want to deliberate? I'll go first. >> Thank you. >> Okay. So, first of all, I want to thank you guys professionals. You guys did a wonderful job. Very thorough. So, really appreciate it. Um I think this business
>> by the way not the cast dispersions they don't always see a presentation like this like they saw it just so you guys know appreciate it. >> Yeah. No thank you so much. Yeah we prep efficiently done thanks to John but you guys did a great job >> of fresh air quite frankly.
>> Yes. Yes indeed. >> John is second to no one. I assure you that much on the public side. The other thing I think the business itself is very valuable to our community. So we thank you for that business. And what I really like is even
the idea that you guys are going to clean it up. So from a environment point of view and how it's going to look, I think it's going to be a very positive addition to what you already have. Adding uh propane as I questioned. I
knew the answer, but I wanted to just make sure it's in the record. is is going to be unique and is providing a wonderful additional service to what you guys do. So, I'm going to be supportive of this. I'm sure rest of them will
cover other items, but thank you. >> Thank you. Appreciate your work. >> Anybody else want to go next? >> I'll go next. >> Okay, Jim. >> Basically, a nice addition to what you got. >> Jim, you got to She's having trouble and we're having trouble hearing this.
You got that silent mic? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Just >> I have a silent mic. >> That's better. Right into that mic >> right there. >> Okay. I I I think it's a good addition to the services they're offering. I haven't
been there in a while, but when it first opened, I was very impressed with Tractor Supply and the stuff that they were selling, pet food, a whole bunch of things. I'm going to go for it. I will I I I have a comment for their attempt.
We're conditioning the program on a lot of different conditions. I need to feel okay that somebody is going to make sure these conditions are complied with. We pre we've proved a lot of things in on
this board with a lot of conditions and we're finding out the conditions are not met. In your case, there were two that weren't met. So I I'm just asking you counselor to please make these people understand that our approval is based on
their testimony of course and the fact that we are issuing uh variances and other things conditioned upon certain things being done. Thank you. >> Okay. I'll just add that um first of
all, I want to thank you for um the presentation. Um you know, as as as we're at home reading the application, we get an impression and um I I want to be frank, it wasn't good. I mean, you see all the violations and you're like,
"Oh, here we are." you know, and and and in the past, um it has lead to some contention between the applicant coming in and it it's not been a pleasant situation. Um so I want to say I appreciate everything you've done, how
you presented um the explanation. I had no idea about propane. I don't own a boat, don't own an RV, but it was a very simple explanation and it just guar, you know, just said, "Oh, of course, you know." Um, and I do want to say that,
um, I do appreciate the turnout. Um, you know, sometimes when a situation this comes up, um, the the attorney shows up and, uh, and the applicant doesn't want to. Um, you never know what's going to happen. So, um, by you
being here and being willing to work with us, uh, it does mean a lot. It's, it's, um, we don't get paid a lot. and and it's just a lot of work for for for us who also work on the side. So, I just want to thank you >> and and we appreciate that. And I can
say real quick that two of the uh gentlemen in this audience flew up for this hearing and uh one missed part of his uh golf tournament to make sure he was here. So, >> yeah. And and you never know how it's going to go. And and and you know, I know probably as you walk out, I mean,
you're paying for these services for these uh people to be here. We didn't hear from all of them, you know, so >> which is a good sign. >> I Yeah, I don't want to say Yeah. I hate, you know, I hate to say it as the applicant looks at all the money they're paying for for this. It may be
frustrating, but it just just being here and showing that you're willing to support and talk with us and and walk through it. It's we don't understand everything. That's why we rely on our our uh professionals. And so um the simple explanation is the best. So,
thank you. Anyone have anything else? >> Um, I'm going to support the application and I'm very glad that you're going to do some clean up to the external parts of the property. It kind of did give me a little agitated to think about someone in a walker trying to walk across the
front of that building, you know, concerns about ADA accessibility and things like that. So, I'm I'm very glad to hear that you're going to be doing those kind of maintenance updates to bring the the property into compliance. Okay. Hearing nothing else. Can I get a motion?
>> I'll make a motion. >> A motion to grant all the relief. Correct. >> To grant all the relief with the condition. >> All those conditions. >> Correct. >> And we're not going to say anything. That's it. We're not repeating it. >> No. >> Okay. >> Second. >> Okay. Can I get a roll call, please? Nobody second it. Yes. Randy did.
>> Randy did. But you couldn't hear him. >> Yeah. >> We'll do it really fast. >> You got to turn that mic on. >> Nope. Still can't hear. >> We'll do it really fast. It's 8:59. Maybe I can say loud. I second. >> All right. Here we go. >> Chairwoman, Miss Cynthia Sheer. >> Yes.
>> Vice Chair, Miss Russell Damji. >> Yes. >> Mr. Randy Block. >> Yes. >> Mr. Jim Ferrero. >> Yes. >> Miss Lindsey Kranell. >> Yes. >> Miss Lorett Cina. >> Yes. >> And Miss Donna Drews. >> Yes. >> All right. Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you very much. Appreciate your kind words. >> Uh before before we close, um I just
want to talk real briefly about the >> about the annual report. >> Oh, yeah. Um Yeah. So, um, Donna sent in some recommendations. I just realized that she just sent them to me. I'm going to send them to everyone. There's three recommendations.
>> Also, I had some minor changes and then I need to talk with Taylor to get the information on the web in there. Other than that, uh, we're going to wrap it up and then we're going to make a presentation hopefully to the planning board.
Just a reminder, September 4th meeting is stuff that it's pretty much just Jeffrey. We do not necessarily need Ryan. I said necessarily. >> I don't believe we'll need Jay. Mhm. Um,
but just a side note, I will be on vacation next week, so I am not answering a single email. >> Okay. >> One single one. Okay. >> We shall see. and Jeffrey will be sending out the agenda for the fourth. >> So, pay attention, please. All right.
Can I get a motion to adjurnn? All >> in favor? You get