Hi Rick. >> Hey Carrie. >> How are you? >> Good. How's it going? >> Better. >> Yeah, thank you. Better every day. Um I guess we're waiting. I can't. My
camera is Haley. Haley's got the con for the camera. So, she'll show you my face when she's ready, I guess. Or you. >> Carrie, you should be able to turn your camera on. I did make you a co-host. >> Okay, let's try it again. Thanks, Haley. >> You're welcome.
>> There we go. Here I am. Hi. >> Hi, Haley. Hi. Hi, Joan. >> Hi. >> How are you? >> Hey, John. I just got home. That's fun.
>> Chilly out there. >> A little chilly. Lots of traffic in the square, too. So, I think there was an accident on Salem Street. So, >> makes it all extra fun.
>> That's right. Extra extra obstacles. Hi Sophie. >> Hey. >> Oh, hi S. >> How are you guys? >> Good. How are you? >> Good. Good. >> So,
>> how you doing? And they Hey, Rich. >> Hey, >> Sophie. Everybody. >> So, I think we can uh actually get started and call the meeting to order. Um Kevin uh Ston uh will be joining us
around 7:30. >> Yeah. >> Sophie has to leave at 8. And I don't think De is uh joining us tonight. So, um that's the the plan. Um so, I'm going to
call the meeting to order. Uh if we could just do a roll call. Um S. >> Yes. >> Carrie >> here. >> Here. >> Sophie >> here.
Uh Joan >> here >> and Rick Lopez here. Great. Um in terms of the agenda tonight, we're gonna u approve the minutes from last month. Um I'm going to do a public comment and um
and then uh ADA and I had a discussion and we think we should move the agenda item seven the MBTA turnaround track update uh to follow public comment because I think that we have a lot of public comment around that issue and
just in terms of the flow of the meeting would make sense to have that discussion that board discussion And um and then we have a couple uh regulation discussions around the uh hauler that we talked
about last time and a new um discussion around private well regulations. Then we'll wrap up with the usual monthly report and comments and so forth. So that's that's the plan. Um, so starting with the minutes from September 11th,
911, uh, were there any, uh, changes, adjustments? Carrie, yes. >> Yeah, I had two comments. Um, first one, just a spelling one. There's a town council seal, and then right after it, there's a town council, which can
happen. But, um, just um, and sorry, that's in the Sorry, I don't have that open. And I think it's in the first paragraph. Um, you see it, Haley? Yeah. Thanks. And then the other one is I just wanted to clarify. I don't think my intent um of what I was asking for with
our um with the role of the board of health was um I don't know if I communicated it clearly. The way the minutes read, it sounds like I was um I I read it to sound like we're saying that the the board doesn't need to approve. That wasn't my intent. My
intent was that the permits need to be approved and that I was saying that the um I don't see the need for the permit applicants to have to come to the meeting that I was envisioning a agenda
item from a day um saying these are the permits that we've received. I've reviewed them and they you know comport with all of our requirements etc. And then we could have a vote and approve. That was my intent and I just am concerned that the um minutes maybe make
it sound like I was trying to con, you know, give up some board of health authority and I don't want to do that. >> Yeah, I think we were just I think we were actually saying the same thing, Carrie, like we didn't want them to have to wait 30 days to come before us. >> That was it. >> Right. Right. >> Yeah. So if I don't I I I'm sorry I
don't have language to to to to button it up tighter but um I I see you nodding Haley and I see you a day change. Yes. >> Yes. We'll make the necessary changes. So >> okay thank you. That's all I had.
>> Anyone else? Seeing none, I'll make a motion to approve the minutes from 911 uh including the changes in terms of the two changes that uh Carrie raised which
will be adjusted. So I have a second. >> Second. >> Yeah, >> John gets it. >> Second S. >> Yes. >> Harry, >> yes. >> Joan,
>> yes. and Rick. Yes. Okay. So, the minutes are approved. So, now we're going to move into public comment. Um, and what I wanted just to preface um this segment with is a couple things.
One is one is the logistics um that we always do and that is that when someone is providing comment that they give their full name and their street address. Um and we would ask that
they limit their comments to two minutes. Um and Haley will be uh monitoring that and let us know when the two minutes are up. Um, also in the public comment section, we we we listen
carefully to the comments. Um, but it is not a period of dialogue with the board. It's really for the board to hear uh the concerns of the residents and then uh factor that into our future deliberations or our deliberations
tonight. Um and then finally I think we have um a number of uh residents uh who are going to comment on the MBTA turnaround track
uh issue and um having watched the select board meeting and the conservation commission meetings I know that there are a lot of comments to make and I know that this controversy has a lot of different parts to it in terms of
uh you know everything from its need to happen based on volume and finances to you know issues in the um in the conservation lands to uh increased
crossings and health health issues um and it goes on in alternative lands I mean there are a lot of different aspects to this uh discussion And what I wanted to ask the uh the folks if you were commenting on this
particular issue that you try to focus your comments on the purview of the board of health which is around uh public health and specifically in this case I think around the uh air quality
issue and the noise issue. Um and so that would be uh helpful and more focused uh for us because that's those are the areas uh that we plan to um think about talk about tonight and um
and address. So with those uh sort of setting the the framework here, um Haley is going to uh sort of
uh let individuals uh speak. Um and some folks have uh sent emails and others um but we'll we'll start and Haley, why don't you go ahead and start with the first uh resident.
>> Okay. I am going to have Lucas speak first. >> Can you hear me? >> Yes. >> Good evening. How you doing? >> Good. Good. >> Just I guess I'll leave my camera off. It wouldn't go on. Sorry. Uh so sorry.
Lucas Prao, 85 Hancock Street. Um good evening. I hope all is well and you all had a great summer. Um if you have been following us, you know we have created a reading turnback Track Committee, RTC. This group is in um the main reason why the MBTA has made it to your agendas
probably stemming back from January or February. Our concern is not only with the proposed turnback track location, but the troubling way information has been presented to this community. MBTA project managers have repeatedly shared sound study results that appear
incomplete, misleading, and these are results that downplay adverse health impacts on residents. These suspect findings were presented on the reading to the reading delegation to the RTC at the 9:15 community meeting in this past Tuesday select boarding even after
concerns about their accuracy were raised on 99. Our request tonight is simple. Grant the RTC group a one-on-one meeting with your board so we may fully educate you on all our concerns facing us directs and the entire reading
community. Commission your own health studies like sound, vibration, baseline, uh, air, soil, traffic, any other applicable studies. Some reasons to support this request. Sound study scope was drastically flawed by the MBTA. Most
recent MBTA sound study folly. The MBTA lost the data regarding the model of locomotive that was used during the idling test along with the exact location of a GPS location of that locomotive. Then they will also not supply us with the raw sound study data
that we have questions on. Traffic study has been embargoed. We cannot get that info. This health issue facing us residents warrants more of your time. Examples 2hour 9:15 community meeting with numerous uh unanswered questions.
One and a half hour select board meeting where board members and community members still don't understand the full scope of our concerns. two-hour cons meeting meeting last night. Pause due to time. Um, so thank you for your consideration and we would really appreciate to get more of your time so
we can fully educate you on that. And just I don't know if you guys happen to notice but there was an unfortunate uh train accident in Reading or sorry in Andover uh just today a a railroad not not an MBTA train but using their tracks. There was an unfortunate
accident. believe the person survived. But long story short, they plan to increase the frequency going through reading. It is an extreme concern. And the lead project engineer, they want to do 30 minutes. The lead project manager
has told me to my face, they want to do it every 15 minutes. That means every Sorry, Lucas, your two minutes are just up. >> Okay. No, no, it's fine. Thank you. I added that little extra. My apologies. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Predto. I'm going to go I'm just going to go in
the order that I have on my screen. So, Aaron, Perry, if you'd like to speak. >> Yeah, absolutely. I tried to um start my camera, but So, hey everyone. Um Aaron Perry, 55 Hancock Street. Um, I want to talk a
little bit about public health risks from the proposed turnback track, specifically about particulate matter in diesel soot, um, and the NOx emissions um, all along the dwell turnback site, but more importantly, the public health along the entire 4500 ft shuttling
segment between the depot and the dwell location because again, it's not just about where it's going to be sitting, it's about that slowmoving train between those two locations. So to be fair, the MBTA has talked about using renewable diesel, but that's a pilot right now and
it's not guaranteed. So if the MBTA does stick with the conventional uh diesel that they use, we're concentrating older tier diesel exhaust closer to homes, environmental justice communities, conservation land, and Parker Middle
School. Even at low speeds, locomotives emit these fine particullet that drive asthma, cardiovascular disease. They pose cancer risks and NOx that forms ozone and secondary particullet. The proposed MBTA turnback track is going to
shift exposure from a brief pass by to longer localized plumes, a pattern that has been shown to cause pollution hotspots. The MBTA also presented charts that show how fine particulate and NOx emissions will change with a switch to
um renewable diesel. And while these fine particullet decrease, there will be material higher annual NOx emissions. And even if these totals remain under permitting thresholds, health risk is all about where the pollution lands. So to kind of help illustrate the amount of
particulate and ox emissions that these trains will emit over that 4,500 ft of turnback track, you can think about it this way. Every half hour that a diesel train is sitting and inching forward on that track, it's similar to 200 semi
trucks or 200 cars idling in the neighborhoods. For particulate matter, it's more like 250 modern pickup trucks idling. All I'm asking tonight is that the board of health request an independent air quality and health impact review uh of
this project. So the residents, students, and other environmental justice compromised populations will actually understand what they're going to be breathing before it's built. Thank you. >> Thank you, Miss Perry.
>> Okay. Next will be Ally Hetler if you'd like to speak. >> I um did not submit a comment before the five o'clock deadline. That's okay. >> Oh, okay. Um, I Ally Hetler, 12 Hancock
Street. Along with the rest of, you know, my fellow neighbors, I have a lot of concerns about the trains idling. I'm not nearly as researched on Aaron on some of the um, you know, science behind it. But I have two small children. One is just born last year. We live right
next to the middle school. The my neighbors are the Tanavville residents right across the street, which is, you know, an EJ community. Um, so yeah, it's just more of a concern on my neighbors and my children and how I'm going to raise my family here with an idling
diesel train um in, you know, in my front yard. So, I I just hope that this board will take those concerns seriously. We feel like, you know, we're not really being heard. Um, and this definitely poses a health risk to to the community. Thank you.
>> Thank you. All right. Next will be Christine Parks if you'd like to speak. >> Hi, thank you. Um Christine Parks, 35 Hancock Street, and I want to thank you for this opportunity to speak. I just
have a couple of questions for your consideration as you review this proposal related to the um MBTA Churnback which as you've heard results in idling and slowm moving diesel fuel trains for hours a day in the
conservation area the EG community parker and behind our homes um right up against our backyards which drastically increased the pollutants in our ear and the noise around our homes under the nuisance abatement authority. Um my
question is how will the health related complaints be logged, investigated and resolved and I would like to suggest that a service level agreementbased complaint protocol be adopted for transparent public reporting of outcomes.
I also um wonder given the increased noise and emission levels of a pollutants we'll be experiencing daily under your oversight mandate how will post construction health outcomes and mitigation performance be verified and if I may I would like to suggest
that you consider commissioning independent audits at six-month intervals for three years after startup and that you publish the results and corrective actions. Thank you for your time and thank you for your consideration.
>> Thank you. Appreciate it. >> All right. Next will be David if you'd like to speak. >> Okay. I'll speak briefly. My name is David KDO. I live at 21 Woodward A and I have lived here for 48 years.
uh I'm mostly deeply concerned as I stand in solidarity with the uh other people who have spoken to this point with noise and I don't know so I guess I have a just direct question for the board of health is noise and the uh
extent of of noise and the the volumes that are going to be generated by this project uh part of your purview as far as a public health issue. just plain decibel levels. Is that part of what you uh deal with?
So, I guess that's a question I know you're not supposed to respond. This is not a give and take, but I would ask that you not table that question that you take it under consideration. Uh noise pollution to me is, you know, as I as I enter my doage years, I'm 75 years
old. Uh noise pollution to me is huge. and uh you know quiet enjoyment of my home for the last 48 years on a prospective basis is huge. >> Thank you for listening. >> Thank you.
>> All right. Next will be James if you'd like to speak. >> Good evening. Can anybody everybody hear me? >> Yes. >> Good. because I'm new to this, so bear with me, please. Uh, my name is Jim Riley, 87 Hancock Street, Reading. This
turnback track will deeply affect me, my family, and many, many other families in the town of Reading. Abut's homes along the Turnback Track, the Tannerville Independent Living Center, and other Reading homes that are in the
environmental justice zone. Increased rail gate closings will cause extreme traffic backups on Wuben Street, Washington Street, Main Street, and Ash Streets with stationary traffic just idling for a significant amount of time
daily. The MBTA trains will be idling and moving slowly to and from the Reading Depot 14 hours a day, 5 days a week, spewing noxious diesel fumes, disturbing life along the route with extreme deep rumbling sounds that will
constantly ruin reading lives. I'm asking the board of health prior to any town approvals of the NOI to perform documented air quality tests, including soil sampling tests. related to excess diesel fumes. I am also asking
the the MBTA or the town of Reading to perform documented sound study and vibration tests. If this turnback is approved by the conservation commission, I'm asking the board of health to
require the MBTA to install a sound visual barrier of acoustical material to minimize the extreme sound impacts to reading residents such as abuters and those in the environmental justice zone. I am also asking the board of health to
work with the reading conservation commission so that our town leaders and state representatives see a unified town leadership in addressing residents issues and concerns. Thank you very much. >> Thank you.
>> Next will be Mark if you would like to speak. >> Good evening. Uh Mark Agney, 23 Lee Street. Can you hear me? Okay. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Great. Uh so uh the MBTA has proposed a multi-phase rail modernization
initiative that has short and long-term projects to reduce from 45minute headway to 30 minutes increasing train crossings by 50%. Uh electrification is part of the long-term solution, but that's not happening anytime soon. So we are stuck
with diesel. Uh, one portion of that larger project is spending $11 million to build one mile of track north of Reading Station so empty trains can slowly pass through residential neighborhoods and EJ community and idle
for 7 hours per day on our protected water aquifer zone before turning around. Uh, police and fire chiefs have expressed grave concerns about public safety. Uh there's only one ambulance in town. So getting to the south side of
town with over 60 t uh gate closings per day, that's a significant impact. Now the NP MBTA has had no oversight uh zero. When this in fact when this board asked them in February to perform an
impact study, the MBTA simply said no. Uh last month they presented a chart showing NOx emissions doubling even assuming biodiesel. So what if they can't get the fuel? Uh what what's the pollution impact with with regular diesel? As Lucas mentioned, they did a
sound study that was equally inadequate. Nobody was um is overseeing that. Uh, as a reminder, the conservation commission is operating under the premise they have no jurisdiction over sound pollution and
safety, only wetlands vegetation. So, who's providing oversight protecting human health? My ask is as is as follows. Uh, in accordance with 301 CMR 11.04, 4. I would like a failsafe review
ordered by the Secretary of Energy and Environmental Affairs in which an environmental impact report be submitted documenting the increased pollution, sound, public health and safety impacts for the entire rail modernization
project, including all its phases and stipulating enforcable requirements that were assumed by the MP MBTA, such as, you know, the need for renewable biodiesel or and shortened crossing durations. I ask to see this board exert
its influence to protecting human health from the consequences of this project. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> All right. Next is McKenzie if you would like to speak. >> Hi. Um good afternoon everyone. Um
McKenzie 49 Hancock Street. Um, I'm again commenting about the MBTA from Backtrack. I'm the mom of two small children and am wildly concerned about the implication for my children's health and wellness. Um, as everyone may have
heard, my actually my backyard hits the train track. So, every single day my family and I will hear trains rumbling in and out that are completely empty. Um, I am asking you under nuisance abatement authority, how will health
related complaints like the ones that I plan to file be logged, investigated and resolved? my ask for you and my plea for you and I ask that you commission an independent audit at threemon varials
for 3 years of startup publish results and have corrective action in place before any train can run through our All right. Next. Sorry. >> Thank you, McKenzie. >> Next will be RHA guest if you'd like to
speak. >> Hello. Um, my name is Robert Levy. I'm at 29 Frank Tana Drive. And >> can I hear >> Can you hear me at all? All right. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Okay. My thing is they supposedly did a
six-hour two-day noise uh study. My suggestion is that we have an independent noise study for at least two or three days. I mean, you can't do a six-hour study. It's in it's inadequate. can't how are you going to do and they
were misplaced over places where there is no um people there at all. Now I we bought the tracks. It's right behind us and we try to talk to each other and you can't even hear each other which is an
impact on your hearing. And also we have people here that have asthma and other respiratory illnesses. And with the diesel that's just going to impact more. It's not going to help us at all. And I think um the board, like I said, should
have an independent sound study other than the MBTA because they can regulate it any way they want and they can, you know, have things done in a way that we're not going to understand. So I feel that the board of health and
our reading political leaders should shut this down, not even let it go through while I do a very very strict sound study and health study so we can have a real true um
reading of what's going on. And I thank you for listening to me. >> Thank you. >> All right. Next will be Sal Russo if you'd like to speak. Hi, actually this is Linda Russo. Can you hear me?
>> Yes. Yes. >> Okay. most of what um I wanted to talk about has been has been um talked, you know, talked about already, but I would like to say that I did have a meeting with Katie Galant at the Reading Housing Authority down at Tanavville today and
um she's very concerned about this. Obviously, as Bob um just mentioned, the residents are compromised some some of them already. I think she may have got muted again, but I just
>> requested to unmute her. >> I'm sorry. Can you hear me? I I didn't say that I lived at 55 Hancock Street. I'm sorry. Um but in talking with Katie Galant down at Tanavville today, she was saying how one of the apartments was empty and there
were people in there working on it and the windows were open. She had to make a phone call down to that apartment to tell them to do a particular thing. The trains came by and idled there and they could no longer have a conversation. So,
I just wanted to um say that no matter what their sound study says is legal or that they're underneath, it's impossible to have a conversation with the train where it will be abuing our houses. So,
thank you for your time. >> Thank you. >> All right. And I believe the final one, it's by the name of Samsung SM. If you'd like to speak Is the resident unmuted, Haley? >> So, I have to ask them to unmute
themselves. So, I don't know if they're just not present at their screen. >> Okay. >> Or if they're calling in by a phone that's not a smartphone sometimes that they have to like I think it's maybe star six or something that you have to
press. Yeah, star six is what you can try or they can try. I think we might need to pass if whatever technical difficulties there are here. >> And I don't believe there's anybody
after that. I think we've gone through everybody. >> All right. Everybody. Okay. >> I mean, there is public services here. I don't know if they're just here to observe or I can unmute them if they want to say anything. >> Could we ask Haley if anybody hasn't
gotten a chance to speak if they could raise their hand and then >> if anybody hasn't spoken they can raise their hand and I can unmute too. looking good. >> Yeah, Samsung will away. >> So,
>> okay. >> Okay. Well, let's uh move on uh in terms of the agenda and um welcome Kevin. We uh we move the um agenda number item
number seven the MBT BTA turnaround to follow public comments so we can kind of have a discussion while it's all fresh in our minds. Um and uh and so
I guess um I guess I can open the discussion. I mean, I think as I listen to these comments and particularly focused on um you know, the noise slashvibration and
the air quality issues. Um what I keep hearing and I think there's uh you know there's it's understandable is that the there's questions about um the
data that the MBTA has produced regarding these two areas of public health. Um and and that's clearly a problem. Um it's
unfortunate that you know the MBTA didn't um engage the community in the design and analysis of these studies. Um, and you know, the the
studies that were done and that we've seen on their presentations, but what we're really seeing is the end result of their interpretation of the data that we don't quite know how
or agree with all the data they got. Um and so it there's a long it's a long way from feeling comfortable um because we didn't participate in the design of
the study and had our concerns uh you know addressed then and then the studies were done and the detailed data isn't available and then there's an interpretation on the part of the MBTA
that um in their presentations which we don't necessarily understand um or agree with. Um so I think the the residents have brought up a number of points um and it's really hard to have a
discussion if you don't if you're if you don't really agree with the outcomes. Now from my perspective as the board of health there are um thresholds that have been established in the state around air
quality and around noise. And yes um for the resident who asked noise is part of our purview in terms of public health noise u abatement. Um, so there are there are established thresholds and
we're told in those presentations by the MBTA that they've they're under those thresholds and in fact um they don't need to report that to either um NEPA or the department of um envir environmental
protection um if their studies show that uh so there's no secondary review of the information. Um, so this is a conundrum because from my perspective and as I said before unless you can agree with
the data um and what the data shows it's hard to know what the next you know step is. Um, so what I you know what I would say is that um we could consider a couple
things or and I'm I'm anxious to hear what other board members think. Um, you know, one would be uh writing a letter to the cons conservation commission stating that unless we have the detailed
data and analyses and not just for the noise study but also for the air quality like how did they get those you know tons per year like where did where did they how did they do those calculations and was it based on which locomotive
because I understand now there's a couple different locomotives that have, you know, potentially different air quality profiles. Um that if we don't get that data within the next, you know, 10 days and they have repeatedly assured us that they
were going to send it, but we haven't had it. Um that, you know, they should not approve uh this uh project. Um the second thought I had listening which
is um is that you know the question is whether we should um hire uh a consultant to do some analysis not only of the MBTA
data um but also uh potentially recommend, you know, what kind of studies we would need to do uh to be comfortable ourselves that the noise is, you know, uh will not be a
problem. Um and the air quality issues uh will be addressed. And it is concerning that the nitrous oxides are so high. And uh my understanding is there are ways to mitigate high nitrous
oxide levels in the air. uh in terms of additives to the diesel fuel or you know uh certain types of filters or catalytic converters that you can use and I haven't heard anything from the MBTA for instance about about that. So those
would be the two things you know insist that we get the data the detailed data and the the Um, and then of course the noise uh data we we would want to see. And if we don't get that then I don't think they should
our recommendation might be and I'm just proposing this and throwing it out um that they don't approve it you know until that uh is available and that secondly we ought to consider getting a consultant ourselves to both analyze the
MBTA data and if it's found inadequate you know to do our own particular study um I don't know if that's come up in either a town hall or in the select board, but uh that would seem
reasonable. So questions, ideas based on what we've heard and what we've heard over the last two days at various meetings. >> Carrie >> surprise. Um, so first I want to thank all the
folks who've taken time to contact us and um to um I appreciate the the level of um detail and research that um is evident in people's comments. That's it's helpful for us to hear that. you
know, our job is to consider the impact on public health and, you know, we need more than we don't think this is a good idea to hear that, you know, to to be able to assess the impact on public health. And I appreciate folks having taken that
seriously and and come to us with some concrete suggestions and some important observations about the population that'll be impacted by this and um the gaps that they note in the information that's been provided. Um, and yet just
to echo Rick, um, chapter 111 under sections 31C and section 122, local boards of health are empowered to address, um, issues of, um, nuisance noise being categorized under there as well. And, um, we uh, the authority is
is with Department of Envir Environmental Protection at the state level, but we we would work with them. So, we do have the authority for this. Um, I think that um the questions that have been raised um
are enough from for me to agree and suggest that we investigate um having our own study um done or and at least having the the studies provided done. I think you know we we are at a disadvantage because the requirement for
the sun study is that the the applicant undertake it. There's no feedback loop for um regulation, but we can look at the results and say we have questions and we would like further information.
Um and I think two um so I I guess there's a couple stages. did sort of as we so first are we confident in the information that has been provided um and are we doing our due diligence to be
sure that the public's health is protected um both in issues of air quality and of noise impact um and then um you know the question with the uh conservation commission I I mean I appreciate the conservation the conservation commission saying that
they don't have jurisdiction over um our issue you know that's that's good that's appropriate and um I am pleased that they have um deferred to us and I think yes agreed Mr. chair that we suggest to the conservation commission that we have
concerns on these areas. Um that these are the recommendations that we would have that we would like to review the the existing data that we would um be very interested in possibly retaining a independent consultant to do a study for
the town um of our own. and um and to the extent that we have the ability to you know request information timely from MBTA I think that would be important as well and I think that's all I have. >> Thank you very much.
>> Yep. >> Other thoughts or comments? >> I would I would like to you know get get together with the with the um residents around the area as well because you know they did a lot of work. I think we should hear them out. They have a lot of
lot of good information for us. Um, and determine what's under our privy and then, you know, get our our strongest our strongest points together and go back to the the MBTA with them. >> You know, the the our our power our
power suits the noise. I think I mean I think the soot from the diesel engines is a really big issue that it's it's air air quality >> noise quality air quality is the same thing in my you know if that's under our
privy I think we go after that as well >> can I can I hop back because you know I do that sorry um just um I guess it's a question of of I I agree I appreciate the the request to to have to share information with us Um I I guess I'm not
sure whether that makes it maybe maybe it would be more appropriate to work with an independent consultant on that and share that information so that we have professional feedback and then can have a conversation with the residents and um and the experts. Um you know none
of us is an expert as far as I know none of us is expert in air or or noise. I know that it is within our purview um and I'd hate to kind of get I'd like the sequencing to be good. So I agree s that we should meet with them
but maybe we we sequence it a little bit different >> yeah sure >> yeah thanks >> yeah Kevin >> yeah sorry it was late everyone uh first of all um thank you to everybody that showed up and um and voiced your opinion
I I I know it's a um it's been a long week for you all um with many meetings so thank you um I I think you put it perfectly Rick you know I think this is a very simple solution. I'd like you taking it even one step further by having a letter sent
to the cons. Um, in regards to not approving it until we have satisfied on our end what we feel is a safe environment. And to that end, there's only one way we can do that and that is to get our own consultant. I think it
starts with here's here's the data if we get it from them. Um, here's the data that they have. What are your thoughts on it? and and that's going to lead us in a direction from that consultant most likely to well you know there's questions here we should really expand
upon this and so I think it's a step-by-step process right to to kind of get to the correct answer and I think it also puts the MBTA I noticed that like hey we're taking this pretty seriously when this is not just going to be you
show us the data that you liked and and and we're and we're happy about it. No, no, no. I think you have to get somebody to look at it. And like Carrie, you said, we're not professionals. We certainly can't look at even if we get the data, we certainly >> um we don't have the I think the backing
to go back to the MBTA and say we don't like your data. Who are you? Right. You're not an expert. So, I think we have to get the expert is what it comes down to. >> I agree. >> I agree. >> I agree also. and co-signing and everything that was
said. >> So I guess the next step would be how do we go about that? >> Right. Exactly. >> Do we have to do that at the board level or can a day just unilaterally just go out and um and get one?
>> Um we don't have endless funding, >> right? >> Um we have some funding. Um, >> we would also have to put it out for a bead, I believe. >> Mhm. >> Yes. >> That would be the starting point.
>> There's there is a town meeting coming up. So, from a funding standpoint, we could there was always an emergency um amount that does does not have to be um um in an article already. It's it's something that can literally come up at town meeting um to try to fund
something. So there's, you know, you can talk to, uh, Matt, town manager, uh, in regards to that. So, >> so we currently have some funding at the moment. >> Okay. >> We don't need funding. >> You think it's adequate funding for for
our cost for the anticipated cost today? >> It could be. U, but, you know, we would have to find out. >> You don't know until we get the bids back. >> That's right. >> Correct. >> And how long does the bidding process take? Oh, sorry. No, no, you're fine. Go ahead, John. >> It depends.
>> How long How long does it take? >> It just depends on um what we put on the on the listing. So, if we say seven days, then it's going to take seven days. >> Oh, it could be that quick. >> Correct. >> It just, you know, you hate to >> Yeah. I mean, there are publishing requirements and the like, but yeah, I
mean, we can we could do expedite, but um but I think we we need to make sure that we get our scope of work correct um and and are clear. Oh, is everybody frozen? >> Uh, you're frozen. That's you. >> Not just me. You all were frozen and I
was like, "Wow, look at them all." Sorry. Um, I I want to make sure we get our scope of work >> well drawn so that we are not boxing out areas that would be important to include in the consultants
work. Um, so I think there's probably a little bit of work to do with um, procurement in terms of um, maybe finding finding a a representative um, a rep sorry a a a another kind of sound study bid, you know, that has been
issued that we can make sure that we're >> asking the right things. So, >> I have been part of contracts that we have not actually asked for the things all of the things that we needed and it really it then requires going back out to bid and adding on. So, I'm I'm
cautious about making sure that we're we're just um um using the right language and um so that would be part of my charge to you I guess a day would be working with whoever you need to to get the language right to um to procure an expert for us.
>> Okay. So, and um would you be able to make a motion and just give me clear instructions um you know like an umbrella instruction that I can go by? >> Okay. Um >> that's a good question. I don't
>> uh I don't know that we could we >> Yeah, we can we can do a motion. I I would I would propose the the following. um motion and feel free to add or subtract from it. Uh, I would make a
motion that we uh charge a day with uh drafting and uh posting a proposal for an expert consultant regarding
um the MBTA project around the issues of air quality and noise and vibration and that um and that he seek input from
uh board members in finalizing that and also seek input from the um turnback coun uh committee um about elements that that might be in this um proposal.
Um and that secondarily uh and that he posted and we work with the specialist around this. And then second secondly that he um he notify the conservation commission
that um that we're concerned about the health impact and we would advise them not to approve until we have the data and and the results of our uh independent review
um and also inform them that we are moving ahead with a consultant around the particular health issues of uh noise and air pollution. So that would be sort of a two-prong.
post the post the position with input uh from the committee uh from the board as well as uh the turnaround committee and then second secondly inform the conservation commission that we would we would advise them not to approve it
until we've had uh we've gotten the raw data from MBTA and uh we got the results of our own analysis. So that that would be the proposal. Any additions or subtractions from that?
Harry >> friendly friendly amendments. Can we change advise the conservation committee to ask the conservation committee? I'm not sure of our authority
of directing their um thing. Maybe that's too conservative. Um, I'm open to to feedback, but um I mean I think notifying them that we have our concerns and so forth and that we you know we would ask that they give us time that
there be time to have all of those aired and then can we include can we say a day we want a day to work with um the appropriate folks in town hall um including assistant town manager whomever on on procurement work so that
he's not drafting and issuing doing all by himself. Um >> it always goes through procurement anyway. But yes. >> Exactly. Right. But just just for clear, right? I mean just you know that he work with procurement and ATM and town council. Anybody needs to to get this to
happen. Yeah. Thank you, Rick. That's a nice nice nicely summarized. >> Yeah. On the fly. >> Yeah. >> Thanks. Thanks, Rick. >> Any other changes? So that motion's on the table. Um, is there a second?
>> I'll second it. >> S second. Okay. Um, vote S. >> Yes. >> Carrie, >> yes. >> Kevin, >> yes. >> Joan, >> yes. >> And Rick, yes. Is that clear enough? Charging orders a day?
>> Absolutely. >> Great. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you. >> All right. And you know, we um I mean, if there's a compelling reason uh to meet before our
next regularly scheduled November meeting around this issue, we can do that. Um but I think we need to get our ducks in order um and get the information and so forth. >> Yeah, that was definitely the right order. Thanks, K. >> Yeah.
>> Okay. Uh Aday, you wanna um want to go over the hauler regulations revisions? >> Yes. So, uh we discussed this at the last meeting. Um the board raised some questions regarding some parts of the
section 4-2 and 4-3. Uh we're still working on finalizing the regulations. Uh it was recommended uh to us that we put a pause on it till a new trash and recycling contract has been
executed. Um based on my understanding, there are a few trash and recycling contracts that will be going before the select board in a couple of weeks uh for review and execution. Um so once we get that um executed contract uh we'll meet
with DPW leadership to ensure that the regulations are consistent with the newly executed contract. In other words, we don't want to put something out there that's totally different from what the new contract is and you know it won't
make any sense. >> So >> okay, great. Because that was my exact question. I'm looking at reading through it again. I'm like, "Wait a minute. We we we should either give this to uh the company so they they can base their bids around the parameters or or as you say,
adapt it to whatever the contract is." >> Okay. >> Yeah. My concern. >> And I I I right I mean I think I share the concern, Kevin. It makes me a little uncomfortable to say we're going to wait to draft to have our regulation finalized until the contract's done because I I don't want to preference
what the contract holder is, you know, wants. I want the regulations and what we think is best for the town to to govern. Um, but I'm going to trust that the health department and the DPW are working together and that there's an
awareness of what it is that we want to have in place for our community and that we'll um we will we we will um come out to the same conclusion. I I I I I
get what we're trying to do. I I just don't love saying, "Well, we'll wait and make the rules after the contract's done because I don't want the biders to to um be the one kind of wagging the tail." But um >> I mean, in general, Carrie, if if we
decide to um if we decide whatever we decide to put out there after the fact, they're going to have to adapt, >> right? >> That's just the reality of it for them. So, you know, that that's why I'm not that bothered by it. >> Um, but maybe the maybe the right course
of action, though, is is to give them a heads heads up while they're bidding. You know, what we're thinking. So, that's a kind of a that's a double-edged sword. That's a that's a leverage point quite frankly for the select board. Um, >> you know, to to have and, you know, maybe we give them the option a day.
>> Correct. Um, for me it's uh, you know, given the fact that they've been operating for decades without having to get a permit from the board of health, I don't think we should just come and then impose whatever it is on them. You know,
I think that would be a drastic change in their operations. Uh, you know, we just have to be reasonable. That's the way I see it. >> And that's why you're the director and I'm just a board member >> or what
That's a that's a very rational position, but um Okay. >> So, we're going to table this. Is that >> um So, I have actually some comments on what you sent out, which is still a
draft, right? And so um let me just and if anybody else has comments uh they can either give them now or or send them to a day. Um, one is in um
section 4.3.1E [Music] um where it says the hauler shall inform customers how to prepare recyclables consistent with requirements. And when
you say C, I'm thinking this is what the DPW has done. you know, you go on their website and it tells you, you know, what you need to do around recyclables. Are are we saying that the customer is
BPW or we saying that the hauler needs to reach out to thousands of residents and educate them? >> Okay. I think Haley is about to put it up. Oh, >> okay. >> So, I can understand what exactly you're
saying. >> Yeah. Can everybody see it? [Music] >> Yep. >> What section was it? >> It's 4.3.1. >> Uh, could you blow that up too, Haley,
please? >> That better? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's paragraph E. me. Okay. >> The second sentence, the hauler shall inform customers how to prepare recyclables.
>> Are we saying that the u the hauler needs to reach out to residents directly, which seems >> So I believe they're already doing that. um you know so if they go to somebody's residence and you know they find um
recyclable items like spread everywhere not probably um contained they have like pamphlets they can just put >> Yep. >> the door or like a door hanger. So I believe that's that's what um education means.
>> Yep. And again that would be part of the contract too. It's it's part of what they have to do and they maybe work it out with DPW in terms of whether DPW puts it in mailers or what. But yes, it they have an education requirement that
they can work down to get that delivered. So >> I I think I I think I've seen both. I think I've seen flyers and I think I've seen them just leave the recycling and then you kind of figure it out that something's wrong with it. >> I've seen it both ways.
>> Yeah, me too. Um and you know further down um scroll to the next page Haley just yeah right there um under G you know it talks about
what you know we just said about yes if they don't pick up a recyclable um or solid waste they they have to inform uh the you know the resident the reason why they do it. I mean, it would
be great if they leave a flyer, uh, either because they didn't pick up an item, a solid waste, or they didn't do your recyclables. I mean, I think that's that's great. Um, and and in that context, I think the hauler should do that because that's around a particular
situation and they can just leave the the flyer right there. I was under >> that under section um E it it really sounds like it's doing the kind of education that um is on the website for
DPW but if you think you think that's not going to be problematic then that's fine. >> So the way I see it is you know it's like getting a parking ticket you know you have all the list of violations on one ticket. So in this case, it's going to be a door hanger and you have the
list of violations on it and they can just check it. So if they don't pick it up, they can say improper storage. Just check it or they can say um you know trash not contained. You know, they would have a list on just on one
pamphlet. They don't have to have different pamphlets for >> each violation. That's going to be a lot to like carry around with them. But they can just have one, put it on the door, mark it, and that'll be it. >> Yeah. Okay.
Um and then just a one one or two other things under the next section 4.3.2. Um let's see. uh a residential customer
may not contract with a hauler unless otherwise pre-approved by the board. So why why would we need to if a if a resident for whatever reason wants to hire their own hauler and that hauler
has a permit in the town of Reading. Why does the board need to approve that resident's choice? Uh Carrie, you have the answer. >> So, it's not it's that that you can't hire somebody unless they've been
permitted and approved by the board, right? Just like we talked about the the the board a day would give a list of haulers that have been approved and there, you know, you you need to hire somebody that's been approved. That's
Uh, okay. So, it's really more pre-approved by the board. It's not that >> the person's coming to the board meeting that the health department and Okay. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> Hall is approved. Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> And then uh lastly, getting to my uh pet peeve uh of returning barrels to their location. I didn't see it in this draft. Um, and I really think it is a safety issue in terms of driving. Uh, because sometimes they're left halfway out in
the street and it's an opportunity to correct that person. >> I agree. This is um this is not the final draft. >> I know. I know. >> We're still working on finalizing everything and um once we get, you know, everything done, I'll bring it back to
the board and u go from there. >> Sounds good. So, could I circle back real quick to what you had just mentioned, Rick, in regards to having is that having a private um hauler come to take recyclables in in and trash?
>> I think that's what that was referring to. I don't know why why a residential customer would want that, but if they did, they would have to let the health department know so we know that the hauler is permitted. I just want to make sure that it's not I just want to make
sure that it's not in reference to like, you know, the handyman down the street with his pickup truck taking a bunch of my wood from my house, right? Like, so that's, you know, I want to make sure it carves out that it's specific to
>> So, there are business >> there are businesses that are required to um get their own trash orders. >> Sure. So those are the people we're talking about. >> Okay. I just again I just want to make sure. So a lot of times what happens
with these um regulations or I hear this a lot is that the intention was that's that line in town meeting drives me crazy. Well the intention is this. Oh great. So 10 10 years from now let's hope they they they know what my intention was. Um, so I just want to
make sure that we're specific to that being um, from a I don't know how you'd word it from like a contractual professional service needs to, you know, um, standpoint, not from, you know, Joe the handyman um, help helping me remove
some things that he's going to take to the dump. >> So, we are very reasonable over here. You know, we won't do things like that. >> Okay. I But you see where I'm coming from, right? that it's more specific to a continuing to continual service, not
just a one time, >> right? >> Understandable. >> Okay. >> And and can I just clarify something as well? I think um that that I heard I I I I think I heard you say, Rick, that that that someone who's hiring somebody has to let the health department know first.
And I think that's not that's not how I see it. It's that if there are places that are hiring an independent hauler, there is a list that it they need to verify that they have a credential, you know, that they have permit and they've
been approved in the town of Reading and it's not there's not a additional notification or chasing around to say does health know, does DPW know, whatever. It's a it's a um it's a it's just dotting the lines because we're
running parallel with DPW, right? You know, they've got the contract. We have some authority over this and it's it's saying that the lists but need to be the same. Am I getting that right a day? >> Correct. So, whoever you hire has to be
approved by the time of reading. It's as simple as that. >> Yes. Right. And in this instance, it's DPW and health because as we talked about at the top of the meeting, you will have, you know, information that the per the folks
that are required requested a permit, you will send and you'll just say, "Hey, just so you know, you know, so and so holler and this holler, you know, we've received their things and we want board approval and yes." Right? >> So, it's the same thing we do for septic haulers. We have a list of dollars that
operate in Red. >> So it's it's not complicated at all. >> Right. >> Perfect. >> Okay. So we'll be talk we'll be seeing more of this in the coming months. Correct. >> Yeah.
>> Private well regulations. >> Okay. So this is just um to inform the board that uh we are working on rev revamping our private well regulations. Um basic
requirements and definitions are missing from the current regulation and um the current regulations we have mostly address portable drinking water wells. Um it doesn't really say much about you
know non-portable water wells like irrigation wells and geothermal wells. Um there are no specific setback requirements listed for non-portable water wells um you know should
irrigation wells that are used uh you know for the sprinklass system should they be at the same standard? Should we require the same things from them as we do for drinking water? Can we be a little bit lenient on irrigation
wells since they're not, you know, drinkable? >> Um, if you have a well just to harvest the heat from the ground, geothermal, do they need to be tested for chemicals? You know, things like that. We just want to make sure we're reasonable.
Um and then some basic um definitions are missing like you know what is on a border >> you know it's it's not >> on there and then we have people that apply for permits they send us like
>> 40 lists of uh 40 names of a borders >> or because you know that's what they get from the um assessor's office. So, we need to have, you know, a definition of what an abort is, >> right? >> So, I'm working with town council and uh
I I believe that um we should have something by the next uh meeting for review. Um yeah, that's So, it's going to be an amendment to the current regulation that we have. We're not just like getting rid of the current regulation. just you know adding to it
>> you know making it more reasonable making it work for the town of reading >> right >> okay >> great day do we know how many um wells we have of any of the types >> um yes we do currently we have about 366
wells in >> reen if you would like me to share with you I can do that >> and it categorizes each well, you know, drinking, irrigation, geothermal. >> That's great. >> As you know, we don't places don't
always have all the all the data of what all the different things are. So, that's great to hear. [Music] >> Thanks. >> Thank you. >> Hey, monthly report. >> All right. Um I will go first and then
the public owners uh leave will go after me. In the month of September we had we issued 18 food establishment permits. Uh we conducted 12 food inspections.
Um the health inspector did those. Um let's see. She issued uh 11 temporary 27 temporary food event permits and conducted 11 temporary food event inspections.
The health inspector also conducted one food complaint and one trash complaint. We conducted three housing inspections. one for um oven malfunction, the other
one was for overgrowth and uh another one was for um a screen in disrepair. There was one keeping of animals violation operating without a permit, but that has
since been corrected. We had 14 rat complaints. Um total catches in September was um 39 and um 433 catches since we implemented
this program. Um let's see. We had one well construction plan review, one tobacco license inquiry, two dog bites, and one cat scratch. I will now hand it over to leave for the
nursing updates. Sorry I was late today. I was at a flu clinic at the library, but I'm going to share my screen. Okay. All right. Welcome to October. Okay. So, for the month of September, we had a
small decrease in our COVID 19 cases. We had 30 in August and 23 in September. Um DPH of Massachusetts is recommending all ages receive the COVID 19 vaccine this year. 65 plus is recommending a twod
dose series. Uh so if you are interested, you should definitely get on that. CVS Walgreens has them and we're also going to have them available at the October 17th Coolage Flu Clinic. Um, for the month of October and
November, these are my blood pressure screening dates. I'll be here on October 2nd, which has passed the 16th and the 20th, as well as November 13th, November 17th, and November 20th. I'm also available for um one-on-one blood
pressure screenings if anybody wants to contact me. For September, we have breast cancer awareness month. Um it's one of the most common cancers found in women, and I have a video link here to an atome uh breast exam tutorial, which we should
all be doing daily. It is also Down syndrome awareness month. Um we're just raising awareness for our um individuals with extra abilities and down syndrome. It is also World Menopause Month with a
with um menopause typically occurring be between the ages of 45 and 55 marking the end of our menstrual cycle. October getting chilly, getting cool um getting ready for that. It's also pregnancy and infant loss awareness month. Miscarriage
and still births and other conditions can cause pregnancy to end before or during birth. We're going to take the month of October to remember those ones that have lost. And it is also SIDS awareness month. SIDS stands for sudden
infant death syndrome. Um I like to preach the safe to sleep which is put the baby in the crib on a flat firm surface with nothing in the crib. No blankets, no pillows, no stuffed animals, nothing cute. The only thing cute in the bed should be the baby.
>> Hands only CPR classes. I had a very successful one on September 8th um with uh 16 residents and I have a full class on November 3rd, which is amazing. Um so unfortunately you can't sign up for that one, but I will have new dates coming in
2026 that I look forward to sharing with you all. Our teen talk series is going well. We had our first one last month and I did a CPR class with a with a bunch of teens. Our next one is going to be talking about different health related questions
and we are going to be painting um recycled canvases. All right. So, I have my flu clinics at the Reading Public Library. I just finished um this evening my my week of flu clinics. So, I've been at the library from 4:00 to 7:00 every night um
this week and I will be back on November 3rd as well as November 19th and December 10th. The flu clinics are going so well. Um I Adday and I had to order new dos uh more doses because I was scared we would run out um which we were
about to. I've given over a hundred doses so far. We're also going to have one two clinics at the Pleasant Street Center um for our 65 plus community on October 15th and October 29th. Feel free to call me to register
as well as at uh 22 Frank Tanner Drive, also known as Tannerville on October 16th for all residents. It doesn't just you don't just have to be a resident of Frank Tanner. And then finally, I am offering homebound flu shots. I have my
list um and I have given my list a call, but if you or a loved one uh need a homebound flu shot, please give me a call and I will schedule a day to come out to you. And lastly on shots, we've got our vaccine clinics being held at the Koolage Middle School. We had one on
September 26th, which we um were able to get almost 200 people at, and then we have one coming up next Friday on October 17th, and then one in November. And then as always, I have my medical and diabetic supplies takeback programs.
Please just give me a call if you have anything you would like to donate. Thank you. >> Thanks, Liv. >> Thanks, Liv. >> It's me just I just thank you for the report and I think Thank you, Ad and
Liv. I know that the um vaccination environment has been a little confusing um and somewhat unstable, a little information, you know, lack of information and and I know from my own work, I know what a challenging environment that is to operate in. Um,
and I just want to acknowledge that and thank you for not just the um number of shots and arms you get and the number of vaccines you order, but all of the stuff that you go through to um make sure that we are cared for and um and um it's and
it's not always easy. So, thank you. That's all. >> Thank you. a day. Um can you give a just a brief update on next steps on the um the updated fee
schedule where where we're going with that? >> So um I will be going u before the select board. Um we don't have a date yet but um I will be going before the select board to do a brief presentation
um regarding what we're trying to do regarding the um changes and fees and um once that's completed I'll come back to the board of health. Um but we still have to we have to conduct a hearing
prior to that. I am looking at I know that the board wanted to do it during one of the meetings. Um if it if we're able to do that, absolutely. If not, I would um send out a doodle poll to the board to see when the members are
available and uh and then we can go from there. >> Great. >> Okay. Can I It just occurred to me we have I I think is town meeting going to convene before our next um board of health
meeting I think. Um because we have three members of the board of health who are members of town meeting still right I think. >> Yep. >> I am. Yeah. So um >> yes. So just a note that that we we need
to be posted um for those. >> Absolutely. >> Thanks AJ. >> Thank you. >> Rather rather than surprise you and call on Monday the 10th and be like, "Oh shoot, are we posted?" Um >> there there isn't a town meeting on the
10th. >> Isn't it the 10th? >> So you can't you don't have to post Carrie. There is no >> there is no um >> there is no other meeting during town meeting. >> There's no other you can't post. So it's it's not a it's not a um whatchamacall
it's not a conflict for um open meeting laws. There can be no other >> isn't it isn't it a requirement if we have a quorum that we post >> there can be no other meeting during town meeting. >> Right. But we also >> because of that to
>> we called to order. So I mean let's we can we we can you know I mean for example at the hearing some hearing we had you know we had to call the the select board to order because we had a quorum of attendees at of the select board um present for the hearing um held
by the board of health. So that's what I was um post referencing in in whether we post or not. Oh, if we're if we're at a select board meeting, you're saying >> No, no, >> select board. >> There was there was a board of health hearing. Yeah.
>> We hosted. You sat You sat to my right. No, to my left. >> And we called the board of select the select board to order because there was a forum present. That's where I'm coming from. It said we'll have forum present. >> Correct.
>> And so we would need to post. So >> is that right? Okay. That's right. In every other meeting except for town meeting. >> So if we host if we host a select board to one of our meetings or vice versa, then we have to call ourselves to order. But they don't it's not allowed
>> during town meeting. There shall there shall not, and that's a legal term, there shall not be another meeting uh adjourned during town meeting. >> So we're we're kind of we're we're relieved of open meeting law uh if we have to talk about board of health things as members.
>> Okay. Interesting. Cool. Thank you. I learned something new. >> And there's no town meeting on November 13th. Is that correct? >> Because I know they go a couple days and you mention >> Oh, they're probably Whoop. That would be the regular sequence. It would be
Thursday. >> Thursday is a regular sequence. Monday, Thursday. Yeah. >> So, we'll have to We cannot meet to Kevin's point. >> Oh, we can't meet in the town meeting, but we can meet, >> right? Well, we can't we can't have we can't meet like this.
>> No sh meeting, >> right? >> You may have you may have to push it to the 20th. >> Yeah, we'll have to uh we'll have to check on the dates and >> Yeah. >> and see because sometimes even those are tentative, right? Sometimes um >> the first two nights are usually
>> Yeah. pretty. >> You're definitely going to be there. The third night gets iffy. The fourth night is very very rare. So that's why I'm saying if you want but if you really want to be sure, you know, do it the week before rather than the week after. >> Sure. >> Yeah. Yep.
>> Good. >> But that'd be in a couple weeks. That timeline may not work to get everything together anyway. So >> yeah, >> great. >> Anything else? >> Um just Haley U just to note that I ended the meeting at 7:25. Got
>> it. Thank you. Motion to adjurnn. >> Seconded. >> Second by Kevin. A vote. S. >> Yes. >> Carrie. >> Yes. >> Kevin. >> Yes. >> Joan.
>> You're on mute. >> You're on mute. Joan. >> Yes. >> And Rick. Yes. >> Great. >> Thanks everybody. >> Everybody. Good night. >> Good night.