good jenna can you hear us yes okay great all right so here we go hello everyone this is Chuck Terron readings conservation administrator this meeting is being conducted in person and remote format consisting of chapter 2 of the acts of 2025 which further extend COVID 19
measures regarding remote participation in public meetings until June 30th 2027 please note all items listed uh may in fact be discussed and other items not listed may be brought up for discussion to the extent permitted by law this
agenda includes those materials which can be reasonably anticipated to be discussed at tonight's meeting please note tonight's meeting is being recorded and uh that all materials for this meeting is available on the
conservation division page under um projects by year brian Bo the chair of the conservation commission will facilitate tonight's meeting please note that there will be there will be public comment at the end of each hearing each
vote taken during tonight's meeting will be conducted by roll call we'll begin with a roll call attendance brian can you review tonight's agenda and take the roll call attendance yeah we'll start with the attendance and this will be the order that we vote in when we get to
that part portion of the show um Walter can you go first walter Talbert commissioner present tony Tony Roakis Commissioner present Tim Michelle a member present Martha Martha Moore vice chair present Brianbo chair present
recording in progress order 704 so a quick review of what we're going to be covering tonight uh there's a few hearings the first one um is a notice of intent opening a hearing for DPW Birch Meadow Park in modular classroom followed by continuing a
public hearing on a notice of intent for 885 Main Street then continuing public hearing for 695 Pearl Street that's it for our hearings for tonight and then we have old new business some discussion items and some minutes for approval
having said that we might as well dive right into the first one which is DPW Birch Meadow is there anybody online that needs to be in module classroom we have uh Stephen Chris Felly and uh Ryan Persal maybe Ryan can come up and
introduce the team hi uh Ryan Persal town running town engineer um happy to introduce the project birch Meadow phase two um this following phase one of the Birch Meadow master plan uh it's a renovation of an
existing playground tot lot on on the bankrock as well as um the new basketball court post tension concrete basketball court additional to that would be um we added on the modular classrooms as part of that because they
help out the schools they're in the U buffer zone area so we added those on um we added some additional parking as part of the project as well uh and we have storm water uh infiltration system in place to capture um all of the storms
and treat those so I can pass it over to activas Stephen can introduce his group and they can go through the little presentation on the on the plan and then following that um we'll touch on the modulars really briefly with some of the consultants we have from that group uh
Gap and Hancock I think might be present online joe's here going Steve Chris fully activation just run through kind of what Brian just spoke about um brief overview
and then I'll turn it over to Holly Ganszer our engineer to dive into a little more of the storm water scope so obviously the site um we have some existing conditions
photos in here next slide and the buffers excuse me for a second can you speak up i just don't know how sensitive this microphones are so this slide just showing the uh well
edge 25 30 and 100 foot some existing conditions photos of that wetland edge um next slide just some other site photos
so this was an earlier iteration uh back in November um where we were showing a little bit more parking on Bankraftoft um and after meeting with the neighborhood um
we scaled that back a little bit um want to go to the next slide and brought that down to kind of just providing accessible spaces for this renovated space so playground is
essentially replacing the existing playground in place uh approximately the same size new equipment um and similar for the basketball courts uh almost the same size just replacing with tension
concrete in li of the asphalt that's out there um aside from some walkways and uh landscaping improvements we're adding uh pathway lights some benches
um everything to kind of mimic what we did in phase one so everything will match u that's kind of it it's pretty straightforward just zoomed in and we're also doing some
improvements at the crosswalk with some accessible curb cuts um and then we keep going into the site plans you'll see that combined site plan modular site prep which we are in the
process of still confirming the uh tree removals um I know Mike Hannerford was out inspecting there are a few of those trees in the middle of the site that do need to come out just health reasons um
so we need to update this uh but we are going to add trees and this is the joint plan showing that modular off to the side and then storm water i'll turn that over to
a quick question that the modular unit isn't part of this application the module is part of the application yes hi everyone i'm Holly Ganszer with Active Tus i'm the civil engineer um for this project
um so just going to do a quick overview of the storm water design for this site um so wetland is page south here um and I'll touch just a little bit on the additional kind of uh request for the reduction of the no structure zone as well that was included in the NOI
application um so starting with storm water uh we are adding about 4,000 square feet of impervious on the site just with the addition of the accessible walkways um so to mitigate for that increase we will be proposing um an
under a subsurface infiltration system the uh those plastic units that you see um they're pretty shallow profile because we are up against um groundwater that's about three and a half feet um below ground surface uh so
uh those are shallower units there but you can see those to just um the the west of the basketball court so the bas runoff from the basketball court will be collected in a channel drain and then will be piped to that uh sub subsurface infiltration system and then that
subsurface infiltration system will have an outlet control structure on um the downstream side of it that will detain the water um so that we can meet the the rates of runoff and uh either reduce or meet the rates in the um existing
condition comparison that will then tie into the existing infrastructure for storm water that's already on the site um the site has quite a bit of utilities running through it currently um and actually in this location the wetland is
connected hydraulically there and connects into the storm water system that ties into the street and then eventually continues up road and continues on its way uh so when we were modeling this from uh the high um excuse
me when we were modeling this all we considered it all as one drainage point that was the um street and the existing reading infrastructure there so we are either meeting or reducing the rates of runoff with the proposed condition here with the addition of that uh subsurface
uh system so I can pause the questions for storm water before I move to the How's the wetland connected hydraulically is it So yep so there is a it's a little hard to see in this plan but there is a head wall um
just where Chuck I'm sorry I can't I can't point to things that you'll be able to see but I don't know where the head wall is but Yep it was more visible in a previous Yep i can I can point to it if we can go to maybe the aerial I can um I don't just can I walk up to the
screen at just point so it's right here right where this wetland kind of cuts off right here is where the head wall is and where the pipe is and I was just out there today and it's in fact out through that um so currently storm water goes into the
wetlands and then it goes out and out correct okay correct and then where does that culvert go to when the water goes into it where does that water go so there's a series of manholes that are kind um spaced throughout the park that we are proposing to remain we may need
to raise some rims just based on the grades but there's a series of uh manholes that are through the park and then they ultimately connect into the drainage system that's infra busy and where does that and that outfall I believe is what's connected kind of with the whole park that then
eventually outfalls somewhere near the that river or stream up that way is it connected a castine field that ditch it just right there does it go through Morton also or not um it goes through
yeah it eventually goes around through where phase one was down past behind and then connects up That way it discharges out in the ditch on Cy so I had a question she said it goes up bankrupt that's what
confused me is there any questions right now or should she continue sorry go on i continue okay so moving on to the request that we included in the application for the reduction of the no structure zone with um as you could see when you were looking at the existing
conditions um maps there is portions of the existing site that already are within that 35 foot no structure zone um so as a part of the of this project we're asking for just a slight reduction of that 35 foot um no structure zone as
well we've placed the basketball courts in a way that won't be getting any closer to the well than existing um the only and we're actually in fact removing some of the existing impervious that's within those zones um as well as you can
we can go back Chuck to the existing conditions that two questions uh the existing basketball courts had sheath flow onto the ground and then it was then it was uh into the wetland or somewhere near the
wetland into that outfall and down on its merry way and now we're just collecting everything off the new basketball courts directly into infiltration chambers and anything that comes out that's not infiltrated would uh go back into that culvert that you
just pointed out um it won't go back to that culvert it connects to the um existing infrastructure further downstream does it end up at the same outfall okay oh it's Bankraftoft Road yes uh the basketball courts they're um
close to the 35 foot zone is that because you um upgraded the basketball courts to bring them to a certain size or anything like that uh made them more accommodating for uh ADA access or any
kind of access i'm just wondering you know you're touching the 35 foot line why so the basketball courts um in their existing condition that line is within 35 foot now um so we actually pushed the courts about four feet further a page
north to allow that channel drain and everything to hold that um line of the existing basketball courts so these are further away than the original ones so the the courts are but the channel drain associated with the edge of the courts are along the edge of
the existing line of Okay i just wanted to understand where we are with this um this one here um if we could just go back to the aerial that showed the um the buffer one more I think sorry the buffer's in um I was
going to show the existing conditions plan with the buffers on it just so we could see what I'm going to keep flipping until you say stop this one's perfect um so as you can see that um from the aerial the basketball courts are existing within that 35 foot zone um
so as a part of our project we have held that existing line um so that we aren't pushing the basketball courts or the associated channel drain any closer any closer to the wetland there and if you can see on screen left here there's a portion of that existing pathway that actually cuts through even the 25 foot
buffer as a part of this project that pathway will be removed um and rerouted along page north even outside of the 100 foot buffer um additionally as a request of I believe conservation department they've asked that we make a connection from the
Longfellow neighborhood on the page south or page bottom of the page to the right um and that connection will also be within the just a portion of that pavement will be within the 25 foot buffer as well
get back to uh where we were oh that that aerial was perfect i think that helps us speak to that yep so as you can see that that connection is on the on the page there thank you Jack that connects to that neighborhood and that would was just a request that we pave that and make that connection a little
bit more i know there was some questions right there do you want to stop for a second those questions didn't know we gonna wait till the end for all questions from Happy to answer whatever um so water comes down that street and there's a paved trench that goes down
and takes a takes a left 90 degree turn uh so a number of questions why do you say that that path is going to be created is just within the 25 ft that seems like that 25 that the uh wetland is right there what am I missing
according to our we were just preparing to um pave the the existing kind of foot path that was there in in place um so according to just the information that we had with where the flagging was where we were showing the paving um was just
within the the 25 and beyond but I can I can get a better distance to the wetland just don't understand how that wouldn't be uh essentially have the wetland's right there because the water flows under that culvert and it goes right into the the wetland there so I didn't
take a tape measure to measure that i just assumed it was close it would be helpful if I point out where that culvert is because I think it's not relative to that where you're looking at the walkway so off a long fellow there's an existing pathway that
comes out the drainage is collected into catch basin right here before it goes the cover area over here no okay that's got is the use of the word culvert okay my turn come up there i'll join you okay all right so I've been trying to call
what you just call the culvert over here you know the head wall stream head wall into the Yep coming down long there's a culbert that goes across yep which is mostly oluded very little come through probably some backup of water from that property what I'm saying is so the water
comes down the hill down the street and then right there that the path is going to be as a 90° turn water is channeled right into the weapon so since that's going right into the weapon there just a few feet away i don't understand why I
guess it's theoretically the weapon okay well we could we could take another look at where that distinction is but I do that's not storm water coming down the street but it's not storm water I'm sorry isn't that storm water coming down the street yes so it's not jurisdiction I don't
believe so it's a yeah it's it's kind of hard to explain without looking at a little further down so I had another one too if I can that area
um again That pathway is going to go on the side furthest away from the school grounds there's a bench there that's dedicated to Papa somebody whose last name I forget
uh 1920 to 20 something anyway um is that inside or outside the work area will that bench be preserved um I think we can work to preserve that that that bench and if it needs to be because it's not marked on the plan which why I
couldn't tell it and we can include it on the plans so also on your erosion drawing it shows a continuous erosion control going across that path area so that makes me wonder how the
water coming down this hill that normally funnels into that paved L turn how's that going to make it to the wetland if you have erosion there that's blocking it and we we can adjust that on the plants as well to allow that how do
you think you'll do it what what we make an opening what are you going to do um I I'm unclear as to what you're asking i guess I want to bring up the erosion i think that's just one word down in the presentation went down okay i just got a someone just said that they
can't hear us so okay you see that in protrusion where we're talking about the path the erosion control goes in a solid line across that path the water comes down long fellow yep so won't that erosion control block the water coming
down the hill from getting into that little uh L-shaped um paint area yeah well we we can show we can adjust that to show an opening that's also more for construction okay so so that your approach would be
to just have an opening there yeah that was We're not doing any work on Sure no that's good i just wanted and understand how the water was going to flow yeah um that's the only question I have for right now about that area unless somebody else any other ones
about that area i think you should go ahead so if I'm understanding the previous presentation it's somewhere around here so that that is the one that ultimately
the wetland drains from into it i think the covert that we're talking about at Longfellow Road is is to your is to your right on that page you walked the site on Monday i thought somewhere in this area the water was
going on the ground right so that that's the head ball that's the head ball yeah where does it go it connects to right about where you're so there's a man here text to this man here and then it goes out the street here
thank you so I think that completes the portion of just describing the the request for the reduction there just on the on the grounds that that area is already already disturbed um and we're not encroaching any closer to um to the
wetland with with what we're proposing on the renovations um the the discharge that comes out of the wetland i was just wondering if you could show us just like you just did there or was that the discharge where it's going because that water coming
from a wetland is jurisdictional so I was just wondering what culvert that goes in um the culvert for the so the discharge from the wetland which starts from the wetland from it yep so that's the same
place this is the head wall right it connects so it's going in the head wall and it connects to that piece there and then down yes okay do you want to bring up the pelvic that needs to be cleaned out does anyone want to go there it's the same spot that's
why I just try to get everything out of the way you mentioned the cover sure versus the head wall yep this is the culvert going underneath the path that goes into the grounds yep um that covert is 80% blocked um theoretically that should have been
maintained over time so we would expect that to be cleaned out not not as part of this project not as mitigation for the project but just in a normal course of things that does cause ponding flooding down there especially to
the property to the left i think it's Martin I think their name is but uh that tends to flood out so anything else on this or do you have any more to say do you have somebody else who's
going to present a piece of this yeah sure so Chuck if you don't mind going to the last slide okay no go back up to one more right there there you go so this this
here is sort of the uh joint overall site plan including the modular units on the right hand side there's additional um sort of zoomed in uh area of that shows the grading and everything associated with the modulars as it relates to to just that little area so
you can see it a little bit better but this I just wanted to point this out this is how it fits in on the whole site modules are moving over there temporarily for um usage as the Kilm school is being built um the reason why these are going in sooner than later is
because uh they're doing geo geothermal drilling before the uh kilm and hope to be before the kilum school um goes out for construction to speed everything up uh so we put this on our NOI to help with the process make it efficient and
sort of look at it holistically as it fits in um they do have some drainage component to this there's stone underneath their uh modulars that's capturing I think up to the two and the 10 um it it does go have a one foot
border around i believe that's it with some minor uh walkways to make it accessible to the the handicap area we do have people that are um consultants that are on if you want to ask any specific questions so if they want to speak more directly to what's there um
but I think if you want to just ask questions it's probably easier to do a question and answer someone on the Yeah exactly okay it's sort of not much to it so So a question from the commission um I'll ask one i may have others later
um is there a reason why that location was chosen that's inside the um jurisdictional area as opposed to and the picture just went away um if you look at the Rise preschool um parking
area just the other side can we go back to the picture we just had Chuck um I wish I had some more time with this new uh here okay well anyway I will go
back but this this shows the grading so maybe we could look at this for a second just get in there it shows the grading i can go back to this but this was what Ryan talked about when he said "Oh we have a grading plan." It shows a little more detail this This was it um okay
this is the picture I was looking at does this work that's fine um if you look at the play the parking lot just above the parking lot off the top of this screen there is a big flat area of grass um there's a baseball diamond
to the left but there's a big chunk of space that's probably big enough for those portables um why would you do all this grading work rather than putting them on the flat place on the opposite side of the parking lot closer to office
so I'll definitely kick it off to uh facilities and the consultant i believe it has to do with utility connections but they can speak to that hey Joe did you want to uh did you hear that question see if Joe's still in close
yeah I don't I He's Yeah he's should be able to speak if he wanted to joe Huggin sorry about that i thought you unmuted me can you hear me now yeah definitely uh so the question was uh why did you choose this location
okay uh so there was there was two other locations we looked at but the location that that the modulars are shown right now is because of their proximity to utilities the other reason is also close proximity to the RISE preschool program
itself um and being able to access them from the building where Rise Preschool which is right across the roadway um in the basement of the high school joe's director facilities yeah joe can you
introduce yourself for the record just we didn't get that sure joe Huggin director of facilities for the town of Revan so there follow up on that um well I got my answer which was about
the utilities um because it seemed to me the other side of the parking lot is pretty much equally close to Rice Preschool um and would not Could I interrupt you for one second um and I'm It's kind of hard to see it on what I'm looking at but we looked at
the area if you go down towards the loading dock at the high school and there is a flat area right there it's really it's where the ropes course is ryan maybe you can show them where I'm Is that the area we're talking about get to the hill with the ropes course
yeah big grassy spot yeah that correct and I believe that's where the Isn't that the infiltration system for the high school there's all kinds of manhole covers there we can can't put anything on top of that that's correct in that open area we have a buried
infiltration system there and there's a portion at the major field so and I don't think there's any proximity to water and sewer there okay and that would be on the other considerable distance away Joe right for
the walkability for the rise of children which very younger uh the preschool age correct correct it's not that terribly far away that's why they looked at it but it has to do with the infrastructure that's underneath good chance the kids wouldn't get lost
with the extra no I would hope not otherwise we teaching all day any other questions not me okay oh yeah i did have another two questions um
in this diagram or one similar to it it shows two trees coming out that are like just at the top edge of the modular classroom go back to the other one i think just this one even if you zoomed in it would be easy to see but it's we
we're practicing all that this afternoon so you have to bear with us bear with me for sure okay all right so here we are number 18 and let's go here okay there are two X's one outside
our jurisdiction one inside the 100 foot line that are pretty much at the top edge of the modular castle yep that's one and that's the other those look to me like pretty small trees is there any way those could be moved rather than
just cut down are they small enough to be move um if I'd have to check I I'm not familiar with the caliber of that tree but we can check to see if they're able to be It's like three inches it didn't look like that big
you know um we can we can certainly check that and another one just the same size any other question um that's it okay i have a Yeah I have a question right um where the water flows out of the ponds out out
of the wetland um goes into a culvert right right okay um is that a stream and if it is is there riverfront area that needs to be regulated i don't believe it would be classified as a stream at that point you have a wetland discharging
directly into a a head wall into a closed system where it becomes a stream would be down near Castine if it is classified as a stream I don't I haven't classified it so but I don't believe that area you're in a riverfront area no I think you're right by definition i can
assrue in the narrative though it does call it a stream although it calls it intermittent stream okay in the write up it's a stream okay but I think under the I think under the riverfront act if it's culverted for more than 200 feet the riverfront ends
with a perpendicular line where the culvert begins so I don't think the wetland would be within the riverfront i I would understand I would understand that to be the same way but we can we can double check that yeah i don't I don't think this is Riverfront it's just
that whatever comes out the other end is jurisdictional because it came out of a wetland so when you're saying at the other end is where it comes out at Castine Field that's jurisdictional yeah which and it is anyways that it's coming from a
wetland and let's say it was in an area where it only had like hydrarology and it didn't have vegetation or soils it's still a wetland because it's coming from a coming from a wetland okay Tony that's it for now thank you okay do you
anything um I have a few um first in the narrative it talks about um basically renovating I forget what the actual word was the pickle ball court and the basketball court okay um
now the are the pickle ball courts going away the there will be no pickle ball courts on this site there are two basketball courts pickle ball is being looked at at a separate location currently right now and it's on as an article for town meeting so just in in a
narrative it's kind of uh confusing it it says you're going to renovate those two things and you're going to build two new basketball courts yeah i I think the intent there was to establish the fact that there's an existing hardcape there
and it's being renovated into two baskets i understand but that might be something worth cleaning up i was clear that where there's basketball court pickle ball court there will be two basketball courts understood okay um how many trees are going to be removed
entirety on that site yeah okay for this project we'll have to follow up on that so the to the to the discussion that happened earlier there's a grove of trees um center right center that just above the Yeah there's seven in there yeah and two
with prior to this meeting we've had the tree warden go out and they as they do on all of our projects just to make sure that the trees are healthy um we establish what type of health they're in to make sure and they were determined that there was several trees there that
were rotted through they did um resistoraphs on them and so for the safety those some of those trees have to come down once we get a full count on what that is we'll have a bigger planting plan right because I noticed
that you know on the on the page where it has the ex's it says either a tree or a structure is going to be removed so I went today to try and discern which is which and I found in a number of the ex spots there was a tree with a pink
ribbon around it okay so I could speak to that those trees with pink ribbons are going to be transplanted on on or adjacent to somewhere in this area on the site so is that in your narrative anyway that'd be good to um it may not be in the narrative it's something that
we looked at with the tree to see if we had the ability to transplant um he felt as though those were two good candidates to do so yeah so I do remember seeing and they're smaller so forestry can do those there's one other sizable
um tree over where the parking area is that we are looking into doing a a larger transplant with that with a spade a spade over near which parking area uh the parking area right off of Braftoft um so the corner nearest Hartorn there's
potential that we we could shift that we have access issues for maintenance purposes that's why we we have to speak with the parks division to see if we can shrink that down a little bit if we can we might be able to move it but currently under this condition here one
of the trees that just sits to it's kind of hard to see on this plan i can point it out really quick it sits in this area and we've had comments about potentially moving this up to save this tree but it sits here it's a larger diameter so it would require a
special need so there's also this row of trees along Bankroft correct and they're on the plan but they're not marked as either protect or remove so they will be protected as part of the original plan that we showed you to begin with we reduced a large amount of what we
proposed for parking based on what we got feedback from okay so if you could put the symbol on it to show that they're protected we can certainly do that yep under the construction set we will do that yep concern with that was you're going to be moving the edge of the playground further away but there's
a path going in so my concern was that somewhere they might get damaged over the course of that work because it's inside the limit of work yeah so those trees will have protection around them we'll even have protection to go out as far outside of the drip drip area that we can but we'll we'll definitely make
that correction on on the You're going to do two things board and burlap and do the drip line if you can we'll try to protect as far as we can outside the uh the drip line the tree water request that we do that because it helps to do not to compress the soil around so So
you say you try and do as much as you can what would prevent you from going to the drip line um depending on how clo like if that actual walkway is within the trip line area to create Oh they still would have to work under it we would have Exactly no that makes sense i
just So we might have to like shift it just to get the pathway in so what I'm trying to get at is you're definitely doing board burlap so yes absolutely and then if you can you're going to do as much protected with snowing as much as we can yep okay
absolutely something similar we did to birch metam phase one yeah I think that makes sense i think that there's two methods of determining danger areas three times the width of the trunk roots turn down you might be closer in that uh doing it that
way than the drip line but different people have different ways of determining what's important yeah well lines of trees trees i mean the goal here is is that we're in a park area right so we want to maintain and put more trees in as much as we can
so we're looking to establish as many more trees as we can put in plantings so my next one is a question it says you're going to put black mulch around the trees black black mulch i has that been determined that we're
going to do that no I don't think that's determined why any kind of mulch mean let it grow in the ground to be honest with you it's it's a maintenance um we probably won't do that um okay so that should be changed in your narrative as well
um see there's drainage pipes shown on one of the plans around the playground area and the courts and the symbol before solid versus perforated looks very similar so which are those going to be
uh which so let's say the playground first is that pipe around it is that perforated or solid the pipe around the playground would be the playground is perforated is perforated okay so that's just to uh discharge okay and there's one around
the court um that that's also it's a channel drain around the court to collect surface runoff to get into the infiltration it's also from where it was but like I said if you look at the symbols in the legend okay basically dashes you know and site one maybe a little bit longer and then the plan
itself sure we'll take another look at the line types to make sure they're clear for the construction set thank you um so as you go up uh screen bottom right along the property uh Martin out
on uh on Longfellow there's a number of stakes there that have written on them either sewage or drain and they have been uprooted either by nature or by human nature um I don't know if that's important to you i don't know if you
market anything you need to get back to the same no those those we initially did a dig safe mark out for uh facilities when they kind of narrowed this down to only this little area which was not too long ago just to verify the location of the utilities so that's why you see some
of those stakes there they probably pushed over because kids walk through the area and that's the first thing they do with those stakes as they push them over that's what I was they're not they're not that critical we know where it is but we can reestablish them if we need to uh I saw a note on there that there's some educational signage yes so
I zoomed in to see what it said and it said educational signage so I'm wondering what that's actually going to say the educational signage we still have yet with recreation to find out what we're going to do with that but it will be to the same branding as the signs that we did at gate one correct
yeah something that we would go and review chop wait but like like what what kind of So in particular let's say if we put in a certain area that's got some natural planting area on the back edge of the the basketball court which is what we're doing right yeah like the
signs might have signs that say what that is okay so So that's good that's what I would like to see native plants and that would be something that we would work with Chuck on on the on the actual language is that within our jurisdiction regulate um no it's our jurisdiction to ask for really heartfelt
we We did it on phase one we added signage for that type of So on the planting detail page is that L32 i think it is doesn't sound right anyway um a number of the trees that are listed are
not on the recommended native list is there a reason you wouldn't have Steve would you like to speak to that we we can double check that yeah i mean I just Does it have to be It's recommended it's recommended so we could work We can revisit it yeah we could
work with Chuck and try to determine plantings um and try to get as many natives as we can they're all native go ahead c are there any in particular you're concerned about i think I think what you're talking about is cultivar versus non-cultivar right well that's a
different thing but yes that is mandated by us yeah that we want n true natives not cultivars but um second one from the top can then say what's the first is that the what
I'm not sure but but there were several on the trees part of it and couple on the shrub uh listing so I was just doing quick comparisons okay i just was doing pattern recognition u
Okay and um we received some letters from the public and there were a couple of notes of interest I wanted to follow up on one said that it's the uh writer's understanding that the school
superintendent said to consider these module classrooms as permanent versus temporary what are your thoughts on that i I mean Joe's on the call he can speak to that i think the intent that they said is that these will be used
administratively after RISE is completed um I don't know if it's a permanent foundation that's under these um Joe can speak to that yeah the the this is Joe Huggin again the modules
like we talked about before will be used for rise preschool uh for the next three probably three and a half years and then the intent was to um potentially use them for either instructional space or
for office space in the high school from the high school so we should consider them as permanent essentially because they're going to be there for a long time at least as long as they last yes i have to guess i guess nothing permanent right okay
what is the foundation okay you want to talk about the foundation uh I can I briefly know i think it's on stilts for foundation there's no port foundation and it sits on on gravel and stone but um do we have any of the engineers there that can
speak to that particular detail yeah maybe Alda from GAP would mind weighing in on that okay maybe not no no no i didn't know that she was part of this so you can speak now just introduce
yourself uh for the record hi I'm Alda Barnhurst i'm from Ginap Architects were the architects on the projects also on this call is Joe Pasnola from Hancock Associates who was the civil engineers for the modular
portion um so the building is on basically uh sauna tubes so it's not um it's not a footing on sauna tubes all right yeah yeah now your turn so just one
question um let's see so another comment that we got was that it was the author's understanding that there was an agreement put in place at the time of the construction saying there would be
no additional structures adjacent to parking areas do you any any knowledge about that um I heard that same comment we did try to look into that uh we have no recollection or evidence of that i I
haven't been I've been around long enough but I haven't been around that long um to know if that actually was an agreement or if it was something that was talked about at town meeting as whatever we don't have anything that we have in writing that that says that is
there some additional place you could look into that yeah so we well we've we've requested the clerk's office to to go back in some of the archives to see if there's any anything that we've scanned in for laser fish that might uh trigger there we're looking into the registry of dees to see if there's
anything in the deed we didn't see anything on the deed itself um and so they'll they'll go back and they'll look at whatever minutes they have or whatever to see if what that discussion was i understand that's not a conservation review no but yeah we we are aware of it and we will look into it
so my last topic has to do with mitigation and I know you talked about mitigation from the perspective of uh water infiltration and what have you and that's all well and good but at least from my perspective and the commission office weigh in on it I would be looking
for additional mitigation uh something along the line of more plantings maybe trees uh you know the area where I said the stakes are pulled up I know we've lost trees down that area over the years so some kind of additional mitigation
uh getting ideas from these folks as well but um while you while the mitigation you talk about is all well and good I'm thinking of something more than that so the so the um just to get you thinking about it so we had this big
conversation of where does the discharge from the wetland go oddly enough we found out that it goes right to Castine Fields right this is a conservation project right so his point is that theoretically it's in the same watershed so we could
ask for some mitigation over there because it's connected hydropologically i guess I think we need to also think about the whole project and mitigation at the same I just wanted to let you know that that's something that I at least would be looking for i clearly don't have any
useful concrete ideas yet but u something like that and that is a good idea right that's the last point I wanted to make to what to what extent are we talking know how many plants or but well again the problem is I don't even know that
it's plants i just know we we want something for example I'm not saying you do this but for example on a recent project there was no good mitigation that could be done on their site but they have a grill agreed to build a
bridge at Sturgis field i'm not saying go build the bridge but I'm saying some mitigation some other work you could do that would help us uh in that watershed and I want these folks to think about it so we can have an idea of
what makes sense that gets some value for the uh for conservation my turn is everybody down i did have a question about the tot Right i notice right now there's all the black chips get kicked out through
the fence um what surface are you planning to do and what's the reason why it needs to be renovated um so let's start with the surface the rubber mulch we're getting away from rubber mulch um it goes everywhere we
don't like it this it's a maintenance issue gets into the wetlands area it's just not something we like to have what this will turn into is a port in place surface rubber surface um it gets away from wood chips and it still has a safe
enough surface that they can play on that's resilient so that's that that would take care of any of those rubber chips that come flying out and nothing would you know leech out so that answers the question for the surfacing or if I could follow up on that so how long
would that surface last and how would it be disposed of end of life 20 years so 15 20 years and when it got to that point we would probably come back for another project or whatever and
and either res like strip off they can grind it and resurface it right there and but is there any known way to recycle it or is it just go to landfill somewhere i'd have to I'd have to look that up i know recite I I could talk to
you about from rubber that comes out of like certain areas you can send it out to be recycled it gets stored in a facility until there's a means to recycle it but it's got a bill laden on it that says it's going to be recycled that's for like crumb rubber um retire mulch is a different story it goes back
to a facility that sends it through a cryo process that chops it up probably into crumb rubber or whatever other use the other main reason for the servicing is accessibility m doesn't recognize rubber mulch or wood mulch as
an access yeah I don't have a problem with getting rid of what's there currently i'm just wondering are we are we buying future problems by whatever the decision is now fair enough question um I don't believe we know of any future issues with the
board in place rubber servicing again to what C was talking about that was my last point reason why we're renovating this is not an accessible playroom so that type of surfacing allows it to be accessible and then hence why we have
those accessible parking spaces as well that makes sense okay anything else thank you all yours sure if I could add anything to that we use Arlington and the only we use it in Arlington and all areas outside of conservation areas but
where it is used it's for the same exact reason is accessible and the only fault that I have uh seen on it is that they accumulate problems and then fix them all at once so I don't know like
facilities couldn't fix a piece that got ripped off they get a they got a get a company back out to fix that and so it usually ends up waiting waiting waiting and then and then they major rework but outside of that it's I mean it's great
for you know where I've seen so if you don't use that in conservation areas in Arlington what do you use so we just don't we just simply don't use that on uh in the conservation areas and our our recreation department doesn't propose it so it's unlike what's
happened here so um and does that give you ADA issues no um the so the areas that um are within our jurisdiction they use
like wood chips and uh and all that so and if they had to do some ADA issues it would be outside of our jurisdiction so anyway back to you for questions yeah question is not exactly built the same way we don't have too much out there as
far as uh resource areas i had a question about the storm water i was wondering if we were going to get a storm water checklist and I noticed when I was looking through this that one of the engineers used um Cornell extreme uh extreme uh precipitation standards and
someone else used um TR55 okay and I was going to ask you what what I know we talked and like as colleagues about bringing the standards up what does the town ask for right now because we all wanted to ask for the same thing
you patient planning we can run these at the we can run these at the atlas 14 and see what they what they are um is that what you're I know it's not in our you know the unfortunate thing is um
they're not a requirement it's something that we that's what we look at we could we could certainly run those at the Atlas 14 um to see what the mitigation or what that looks like on the site that we're looking at now for the Birch Meadow um to the maximum extent
practical we do have a separation of groundwater issue that is hard to deal with plus the utilities that are there so the size of the what you're seeing there probably won't get any big bigger um in terms
of at least on on the birch penn so when you when you look at storm water report um it doesn't incorporate the area and I'm sure it would be easy enough just to do that where the modular
classrooms are going um and so that might be something to look at also kind of catch up and I know this came in quickly yeah that was looked at so the modular area was looked at um individually and
Joe from Hancock is Joe provided a memo right he could speak to I can't speak to what was done on his I can sure hold on Joe uh prefer to get just the storm water checklist for that
area at least okay and maybe one for this area and to have everything kind of like looked at with the same standard because Joe used Cornell and used TR55 and you're saying maybe Atlas 14 yeah I mean I could tell you right now
we look at Atlas 14 and you know our reduction rates are probably I mean they'll be similar but they you you're going to see a lot more post runoff anyway regardless in the in the existing conditions versus in the proposed conditions that'll just go up because the rate of runoffs are the same
and we'll look at it we can certainly look at that we'll go through the checklist pretty easy enough for us to go through the checkbook that I'm not looking for a oneoff because I'd like the commission to know well every time someone comes in here we're supported by their engineering department and we always look at the Atlas 14 that would
be great but we're not there yet but at least these two between Cornell and TR55 maybe we can yeah we we'll coordinate those two again they came in as kind of last minute as two separate projects we you know we're trying to make this as efficient and holistic as possible for
the commission um But we can run those under the same standard rainfall frequencies so Joe sorry I interrupted you please uh just introduce yourself for the record sure joe Pesnola from Hancock Associates
so uh we we looked at the the modu um just because we we wanted to to join this um this notice of intent and keep it as simple as possible uh we're we're looking at it as if we are kind of
invisible um we really just have roof drainage here roof drainage doesn't need treatment doesn't um uh doesn't need to be treated before it goes back into the ground so we very simplistically and very conservatively looked at just
putting the roof drain leaders into the stone underneath the modular classrooms um so there's a there's a foot of stone underneath uh that has a void ratio that will that will accept um you know up to
10 inches of of rainfall um or actually 4 inches of rainfall I'm sorry 4 inches of rainfall which is which is the the 10 10ear storm when you look at Cornell and that's without any infiltration considerations so it's very
very conservative and again trying to be kind of invisible and not not impacting the the hydraology or the storm water calculations for the for the parks area um I mean it's a it's a very simple site
plan we just need to elevate the the back of it to get us get ourselves a flat pad uh put put stone down and and bring the units bring the unit in and slide it into place uh but but certainly
we can um we can coordinate and and uh make sure that we are um we are fully coordinated between the two projects yeah that would be great i I and I agree that you know and I I know that you've
uh you know have a lot of experience in this area and work with you in the past on another project but I' I'd just like to have that documented and in the file so that's most of my and then clean up some of the uh inconsistencies so that's
all sure thank you anything else no anybody have any last questions before we go to the public okay so now we'll go to the general public we'll start first with any online questions and then we'll come to the room haven't said that do
you see anybody i don't uh you want to use the raise hand function the reaction button and use the raise hand function to uh get our attention give you 12 seconds let me see i don't see anyone most of the
people on here I um are there is there anybody in the room who has anything to say I want to say can you come up to the podium and please introduce yourself daviding Dave Sweder precinct 7 and a neighbor of the project so Joe if I
understand correctly you're going to take the roof drainage from the portable trailers and put it into the subgrade storage area below the modules is that correct
okay uh yes it's it's essentially a trailer on stilts it's two two and a half feet up in the air um so we're we're only bu we're building a a raised concrete pad in front to um to access the front door and have
handicap accessibility and then there's a wooden wooden deck and stair in the on the back so it's it's an elevated structure up in the air that that'll be um on concrete peers but the the B everything else under the the modular
unit and for one foot around will just be a bed of of crush stone so it'll be more of a storage area and in fact the water will not flow to the wetlands through the culver that we discussed earlier correct
can you get calculations to support that i assume yes and the impervious surface walkway that drainage will some of it will go some of it will go into the parking lot and some of it will
go into that stone area okay and I I'm just trying to get a feel for the total life of the structure on site any ideas the third three and a half years maybe for Rise and the remainder
is an office complex until it its life expires which might be two years five years 10 years they're mobile homes they're trailers you're moving into my neighborhood thank you but
these things already have some life on them but um I was just trying to come up with a life so you might ask Joe Hugen stance that joe if you had any any ideas on that Joe Huggin that would be helpful yeah the modulars are are um were installed over
at Kllum in 2014 so they're 11 years old um I believe you know if they're taken care of well they have a 25 to 30 year lifespan just to be quite honest with you and do we have a provision to remove
that once it exceeds its life we we have removed modular during his life nothing worse in my neighborhood than having you know a pressed shack from a trailer home
well as long as I'm here that would never happen it's not a conservation issue and I apologize to conservation commission for that we we did have the modulars that were at the Birch Meadow Elementary School that we removed from the school um back in
2008 when they got to the end of their useful life we we got rid of them i can't tell you how long they were over there but we're you know our goal is to maintain the equipment in the property so when when it's at the end of it of the road definitely they'll be disposed of
but I probably won't be here at that point probably may need it thanks Joe so the other thing that I would caution conservation um would be material stockpile storage and how that's going
to be maintained for both projects my homeorn and bankro and traffic that's going to be bringing that down vehicle traffic that brings that down once it comes there where's it going to store
unfortunately the modular complex and the park complex complex didn't coordinate well together and now they're kind of conflicting and arguing with each other for storage space so you guys I know you have some detail on
stockpiling in your plans could one of you speak to that that's all I've got thank you much i don't know who would be most appropriate for that i can I can speak to it with some backup uh Ryan Pwell
town engineer you want to go to some of the plan yeah sorry the overall plan let's see here we go so the I could while Chuck's doing that I'll I'll just speak to some of the background on that the original plan prior to the module is being have to be brushed over uh for
timeline purposes for the Kilm School um was to use a majority of you know maybe from half that parking lot up on the rise playground parking lot for our storage when we learned of the project
needed to move up for the modulars or that the modulars were coming being relocated for the kilum project uh we had a conversation with both our consultants and Joe and myself and Kap
and Hancock to coordinate the two constructions of these because we knew they were going to overlap so we we immediately had a meeting once we realized there was going to be an issue here um we got to the point where we have to keep it to consideration that while school is out
of session we may have a little bit more area to use however when school comes in session around this is it around end of August beginning of September Joe that these go live with students correct okay so during that time period they'll need
that full Iowa to drop children off so we are now when I say we the part the Birch Meadow Park project are going to be confined to the westerly side of that rise playground though just those spaces only and it's probably a little bit more
time constrained assuming teachers need to get in there sometime ahead of time to right and so since we have a lower a lower stockpile area we'll try to stockpile whatever we can in that area additionally we may or may not have to use some of the parking spaces that are
close to on B on Braftoft um knowing that that might be an option for us or we may have to do that we'll have all storm water mitigation as far as erosion control and things like that we'll we'll make sure we have silk sacks and uh everything to confine that in there it
won't be in the travel way we can't do that we can't obstruct the travel way um we do know that we're going to have to access that playground area from at least with some machinery off of the flatter area because it does dip down off the rise playground from Bankroft so
you're talking like I don't know loaders or excavators whatever will have to get in from that area once they're on site they'll stay though stay on site they won't really move too far so that's a different question so this is it's really primarily um three months to the
future for Killum there correct my understanding um and anyone on the call can correct this but I'm pretty comfortable that um this is the reason is that these modules sit currently at Kilm School they need to be moved ahead of time to help accelerate the timeline
for the construction of Kilm School if Kilm School passes the reason being is there's geothermal wells that do have to be constructed in that area so that is my question though is what if the Kllum article doesn't get passed does this
move still happen i believe if the kilum school article does not pass this doesn't be this isn't realized as a and it goes back to the courts and I think yeah I mean I don't want to speak to the strategy of the killum school and where the MFBA sits and all that but probably go back to another
pass at town meeting I guess would be but in the meantime if this doesn't pass these these don't this project isn't realized thank you is there anybody else in the room that I can't see any questions hey can you please come forward and uh
introduce yourself you do have it online let them know so yeah Carl why don't you come up first carl I'll get you in a minute okay hi so
I'm Annie Sullivan i live on Longfellow Road and I have Okay I have three questions charles you said that you the same type in Arlington the same type of playground ground cover and I was wondering when
sections of that you said something happens to it it piles up until it needs to be all fixed does that have to get ced i didn't mean it piled up but if there's some damage on it so I've seen damage when it's like buted up against a um I'm going to say like a threshold
like a stone granite threshold like just before some stairs or around um a pipe that came out of the ground or something like that and they've they've not fixed those for a while we had some on spy
pond there was a spot that was fix wasn't fixed for a long time until Did that have to get cordoned off was that usable no no no it was just a small little repair i think anything big that would happen would bring them back but it was it was the size of you know like
my hand okay something like that just a small corner thank you and then I also was wondering so I have two questions um was wondering about what the grading is on that path that's going to Longfellow Road because that's a very that's a pretty short steep hill from the parking
lot in the high school is pretty high and then the basketball court is quite low so I don't quite understand how that path breeding would work and how that would affect the pathway itself will be accessible which so yeah okay I was just wondering
about like is it hill from Longfellow up or is it once you get past the tree line it starts gradually getting up to the parking lot so is it like a Excuse me a second i would ask if you're going to be answering questions can you come to the
podium so people in TV land can see should I just say my other question first or should I come back uh why don't you finish up this topic and then go to your third okay that was just sort of an open question i don't I wonder
this is the hill okay then why don't you go with your third question then another question was just about I wanted to ask about whether we were going to talk at all for the conservation commission i don't know if you guys cover this like the lighting that's being added that
looks like it's in the wetland buffer zone that's also just an open-ended thing I wanted clarification on yeah thank you okay Carl yes hello all right so I'm at um 68 Longfellow
Road so I basic one second he's speaking as an associate member or as a res so point is that Carl is actually an associate member of the commission so Carl are you speaking as a commission member or as a
resident and either way can you introduce yourself please yes I'm speaking as a resident so I'm Carl Sakone at 68 Longfellow Road so I'm basically abut the basketball court like kind of southwest um so yeah I just have a few I
do have a few questions i just wanted to kind of get on the record here um so I'll start with the existing wetland buffer this little half acre to the southwest that's between my house and the basketball court i've lived here for about eight or nine years now and I've
basically witnessed this wetland that from what I understand 20 years ago wasn't quite so wet but since the high school has become quite wet um fall apart i've had three trees fall into my yard uh the trees are
all dying I think i don't not sure what's going on over there so I am worried that whatever is happening here with the new path the grading to the parking lot the new modular system is just more water going to flow in there which seems like
that's not great um uh on so now with the modular possibility of the structure going there I think that's just again now more I know we're going to collect the water but we all know what happens in 10 years does that really keep functioning
properly um have we thought about screening you know because it's becoming so thin there and this is sort of a bias because of course I live so close but you can just kind of see directly through the park for 6 months out of the year uh with the added lights now this
kind of someone mentioned trailer home type thing my kids go to Birch Meadow so I know what it looks like you know could there be any is there any room for some screening or natives to go in there as a mitigation or something i don't I missed that part hard i tried to jump on as fast as I could
um lighting is a definite issue the I've gone to the town but the tennis courts just are on until you know New Year's with no one there until 10 11:00 at night there's no timer there's no sensor
there's no button or switch it's so odd um uh just from a again me living near it and also like an efficiency standpoint so now I'm nervous that the basketball courts is going to be lit till 10:00 at night with no one playing which is
uh I think not great um also from the wetland perspective you know it's you know that tennis court is so bright and now if the basketball court's 30 feet from the tree line what's that going to look like [Music] um I think that's pretty much everything
yeah so just some screening what's happening with the water i know it's probably all planned out and then lighting um and if there's any any exist maybe this a good question for Chuck i mean is there any look at the
existing wetland that's there and what the health is of the wetland and what will happen when this is done i think that's a a concern of mine okay Carl thanks you want to speak to
any or all those i'll look to that corner steve Chris Foley with Activas um so grading first as far as the walkway and uh operating and wetness um
any questions concerns with that walkway um again that was that came up early on with the town with meeting it was a suggestion to make a connection to that street it it is clearly a connection to
the park so making it paved sense we don't have to pave it if it makes more sense to keep it natural um just throwing that out there screening we are proposing a native uh
seed mix that will incorporate some shrubs and it'll it'll give a little bit of screening to uh maybe a five six foot level on some of those plants as far as planting trees we're kind of limited uh between the courts and the wetland um
with DPW and the town wanting to maintain a level of clear span to access behind the courts for utilities trees whatever um so we are trying to maintain a 10- foot um player
space um lights the lights of the tennis courts um are the older metal halli technology the lights that we're proposing for the basketball courts are lower
LED almost zero cut off um so there will be far less glare in comparison the lights at turf two and the stadium you can clearly see the difference of that black you know cut off from the sky um
the lights on the pathway are dark sky compliant from same lights that we used in phase one which was a requirement from CPDC conservation um on if you go down to the next slide shows the heat
map that purple is zero to 2 foot candles or to two foot candles that's not accounting for any vegetation which obviously would cut
that down they just they can't model it two things tony do you have anything you want to follow up with that uh you mentioned dark sky compliance so they're what they're downward directed they're what else off hand i cannot remember all of the
requirements for dark sky compliant it has to do with the warmth bolt everything i I just I can we can follow up with that but we spent a good amount of time finding fixtures well oh can I just add one thing can I
sure Carl go ahead just just wondering you mentioned technology so I've seen other parks around other towns you know do so they just come on automatically does someone push a but like what is it just you know the tennis courts just come on and they stay on
with no one there is that just how it works so they're just on till 10:00 at night if no one's playing basically that's a programming decision by the town and recreation they can be set by uh schedule they can be turned on remotely by anyone who has access
whether it's wreck or whether it's someone renting the boards um so that that would be more of a recreation okay and I believe we have we did talk about that earlier on that due to the
nature of the sound of a basketball versus a tennis ball that we're thinking 9:00 i'll let Jim speak to that jim Sullivan recreation director for the town of Reading um yeah right now the tennis courts I've been here two years
they come on at sun sunset and then they go off at 10:00 right now I don't have any control directly over it i have to go into Moscow and we set our calendar basically from spring and I don't think they ever ever gone till New Year's they haven't since I've been here um it's
typically close to Thanksgiving um or until first snow um with these new courts I think they do have some technology where there is a timing system where there's a cut off say at 9:00 um as Ryan just mentioned 10:00 might be okay for tennis but if you're living on
say Longfellow Road and they're playing basketball till 9:50 at night i think it's a little much so if anything I'd probably have a cut off at 9:00 but I would definitely look into the technology as far as um the basketball courts go if nobody's using them it's two courts so I believe they have
mechanisms where it's a switch or a timer you can flip over it goes on for a half hour and it can shut off as well the tennis courts it's a little more difficult because of the way the lights are set up if someone's playing on one court you kind of need all those lights
on to make sure that it's a a safe yeah and those things are kind of grandfathered and I just figured I'd mention since this is new is there a way that that could happen that's all yeah and I I think uh with this new system I probably have access to my phone as well where I can turn them off and on i know
the new ones at the Turf 2 and Stadium it can be controlled right from your phone so I'd be looking to do that as well but I think having some kind of mechanism where you hit a button it comes on for half hour goes off if no one's there automatically yeah have that stop time at nine is what I'd be looking
to do yeah that seems fair i get it okay um Thank you thank you but I have one thing to say just on Carl's behalf if you're thinking of a five or six foot shrub is helping him from a screening perspective his hill as his house lies
up the hill a bit the light's going to go right over that so don't plan on that you're welcome Carl i was just trying to paint the picture on I just didn't want to speak and the other thing just going back to that mitigation conversation earlier
we're happy to plant more trees i know you guys need to discuss that and figure that out just keep in mind the this site in particular it's a kind of a bowl of spaghetti out there of utilities so it's very tight very it's going to have to be
very strategic on where and what we can plan right so I think there'll be give and take on we come up with something we'd like to see and you can talk about pros and cons of whatever that is y um any more questions from the room
i don't think there's anybody left uh okay um so sounds like there's clearly a number of things to get back to us on do you want to go over the list what you have um include the pop-up bench in the
plan uh clean the culvert that you mentioned um someone wants to check out whether the two trees near the uh classroom the modular classrooms can be moved tree protection at
Bankraftoft and uh bagged burlap uh around the trees and then drip trench if you can manage it uh mulch I that was your question is it you want a reasoning behind the I think you've already said
they're not going to use it so at this point just update the narrative i guess I was unclear on that you don't want mulch it's it's also for Yeah i I prefer to control not only no mulch but especially black mulch so it's the color it's the dye in the
mulch yes no I I don't so yes it's the color indirectly okay there were a few other things in the narrative to update i have a list and then you can add whatever missed um so it was the uh storm water checklist
and then correlating uh how you you know evaluated whether it was Cornell extreme storms or it was uh TR55 um I don't know why I wrote that but um no
additional clerk's office i don't Is that ring a bell to anyone i know that what was that that uh we were talking about looking for that information to whether or not there was no additional information but
it was something on a previous agreement yeah so I noticed that uh so it would be nice to know where the clear limit of work are especially next to the conservation area and I would add to that if we're
going to talk about planting and you're going to allow us to make some suggestions or ask for additional planting to show us where we can i mean you said Mike wants 10 feet so I would think closer would work or all the way
along that edge that would also help the people on Longfellow we added some plants in that area so anyways there's some more questions about planting uh construction entrance we wanted to know that was but I think you'd have to run that through the property because we definitely want to make sure that
they're using that spot all the time so construction entrance and pathway so it's not going behind the um the tennis courts or the basketball court as they are now and then uh I'm gonna I'm gonna check on uh the Arlington question about uh board of
place and what's used but I'm not going to um to my knowledge it's it was it all worked out um then the light spillage I did have the photometrics up there it looked like it was zero but I we didn't get a chance to talk about it but I was
wondering if it was um what was up there before in the purple i think it did spill into the wetland area and all that i think the conservation commission would be concerned about when the lights are off and on and what seasons and all that there too um I talked about storm
water visual screening dark sky compliant requirements they're all asked for um and then we had a condition that came up which would be the lights would be shut off at 9:00 and I think that's related to conservation although lighting is not conservation but you
know the disruption through patterns of does connect in that way so I don't know if there are any others I can write them down uh there were just a number of uh updates to the narrative to make things clear like two basketball courts Yes
nothing deal breaking nothing yes i had one more this is for Joe and Hancock i I don't think we have a detail of the crush stone area underneath the modular classroom and if we could just have that like the depth the width so we know what
you're building we can make sure that that's what was designed again it's just a paper trail to understand what we're approving and removing non-native plant species from the planting schedule oh yes thank you and cultivar or not sorry
the the cultivar question too just non-natives well there's a few that are Eurasian Australian species those ought to come off the list on the planting schedule do we want true natives i think they had true natives for the
most part except for the elm but I can make a special condition for the elm okay any other things that we haven't said that need a continuence any idea how long you would want to continue
for next available meeting all right so that's the 23rd of April right so can I have a motion to continue this April 23rd move to continue the there's one thing here um in the chat do we read
chats i'm not sure do you want me to just read this chat uh coming on the depth of the work that has been uh completed I'm concerned about the accessibility of the playground the pathway as current conditions do not meet any standards for
access um look at the ground cover and the playground alone the ADA standards are required are quite clear and I hope there are more public sharing of specific designs of
this area including the playground pathway within the seating areas so it just look like uh more discussion on uh the ADA with how are you meeting the ADA requirements and what did you do to
change it from what it what's there now to now so what I heard was they want us to meet the ADA requirements that's a request we are meeting ADA requirements for accessibility off of the handicap um accessible parking straight onto the
walkway straight onto the playground area which does not is not compliant currently and the equipment and the equipment as well will also be that's complete upgrade from what's now mhm
okay said that can I have a motion for continuence to the 23rd move to continue the hearing for the Bur Meadow Park phase 2 next meeting April 23rd walter Talbert
seconds it tal martha Moore in favor ryan Bow in favor okay thank you everyone thank you with a nice short hearing sorry that's our fault
great comments thank you so moving on to 885 Main Street the topic this evening um has to do with the third party consultant chuck do you want to talk about the status of any
proposals we received yeah so uh we only sent one out we uh received a proposal from Horsey Whit it's on the screen now it's for [Music] $3,200 um I asked Ryan Percal and uh Andrew McNichol to review this because
planning has reviewed storm water under our new bylaw a couple of times and this is our um so I wanted to make sure that they agreed with what's being looked at here and I also asked Ryan because
usually does this storm water review for the town um and they both agree that what what was on here met their requirements and and went above their usual review so um it's 3,200 i've
already sent it to the applicant who sent it to I guess it's a conglomerate that owns these places and they were waiting for a check at this point so we need to vote they wanted to jump the gun and send the check even though I told them we didn't vote on it we need to
vote to make it official right so are there any any conversation first seeing none can I have a motion to approve this third party consultant i
move to approve the proposal for third party consult storm water at 885 Main Street the amount of 32 what was it $32 $200 walter Talbet seconds the motion walter Talbert's in favor tony Lock michelle
arthmore in favor okay good next one 695 Pearl Street quick one minute hearing don't time again 695 Pearl Street um
so this is also under uh so at the last meeting we uh approved a uh third party review on the uh resource areas we hired um I got a check and we hired LEC to do that i met Rich Kirby out in the field
uh yesterday in the rain and um so I got there it was sunny oh yeah snowing crazy day but um so Rich looked at the flags um and he is going to have the
comments for um Norse Environmental um and there's a couple of spots that we thought needed to be uh reviewed specifically in the backyard and to explain the connection that crosses Pearl Street
um so he's going to put a memo together i haven't got that yet we'll send it off to Moren most likely Moren will have to review it they'll have to go back out pick up the flags that um Rich put uh in place and then put some more flags in
around whatever is in the backyard and uh those will have to be surveyed in so we probably won't be back at our next meeting either but I would say anyone listening they should stay tuned but it's highly unlikely all that can happen one or two weeks so
um the assumption was that an applicant's request would continue to 23rd should we actually do that no we may have to continue again or should we make it to the meeting after that it is continued to the 23rd we did that at the last meeting oh well there you go and
then we just leave it at that and if they come in we have to yes so in that case nothing more to do i have one question um is Rich gonna look at all for evidence of vernal pool organisms in
that area he did and but he's going to write got put his put his thoughts together and put them down on on a piece of paper so that was part of our request okay thank you i apologize
um so then that one is all set and that is our last hearing of the Sure so my name is Richard Ke i've been I'm a new resident at 692 Pearl Street just
across the street from 695 um just moved in about a month ago tough market they don't really give you a lot of time you figure out what your surroundings are right
so we looked at the house over the weekend it's been tough and the people that the realtors that were selling the property they told us that you know you could build your dream backyard but when I looked at the house
was obviously a major concern i got some damn big trees right across right in the backyard one right on the driveway right at the entryway of that intermittent stream brook they showed us the GIS
map no signs of wetlands of course the day I'm making an offer I reached out to child Charles child Mr terrone here and he got back to me an email i appreciate you doing that well offers were due at
12 i didn't have a whole lot of time to figure this out was very close to pulling the offer but I didn't know what the next step was going to be or you know chances are you're going to lose it anyway so I'm going to go forward so I told my realtor "Keep it going through."
And I talked to Mr don shortly after that's when I get the bad news is wetlands and there my land is about it's over I'm I'm with I'm over 100 feet
buffer Mr terrone mentioned me that brookke that's in question and the possibility that it could be wetlands there and it's under review right now so now I'm a little nervous because I do have a lot of big trees Mr tony was on
the property wasn't supposed to be i got in trouble for be honest with you i didn't tell the realtor hadn't closed yet but he came to the property i invited him on there there's some major concern one of the trees on the driveway
had an arborist come over the other day he says there's a butt crack from here all the way down to the base he goes "It's probably happened within the last eight months." He says he's surprised it hasn't fallen yet there's only an area above my my house
that has sunlight and all the trees are going towards the house and quite frankly for the amount of money I spent for a 1700 foot square home is pretty sad i don't really want to deal with the financial hardship of a damaged tree falling on my house and all of that i
got neighbors too so is but I'm going to go on to 695 because I'm also concerned about additional runoff going into that intermittent stream and I can understand because I'm experiencing it now that people are going to try to get away or
not spend a whole lot of money to get things right and you know I may not have get a lot of water on my side but there's that wet land I'm worried about is it is going to expand for the other neighbors as well which could also affect me
so you heard what our process was tonight we basically continued we couldn't talk about it anyway certainly not without the applicant being present that's fine um uh you're aware that things like
storm water handling would be considered when and if the project moves forward and I would suggest at that point it would be time you come in and register your concerns again especially once you've seen and we've seen a plan and once we've seen the report uh from the
third party reviewer as to what the implications are because there's so many unknowns right now oh trust me there's a lot of unknowns just like the unknown of a tree coming down on my house so I recognize you hard space timelines we can't address that no that's fair but
I'd like to start new business too and when does that come up uh come up to the end of the meeting but uh you can take it anytime as soon as we're finished with the we have now we finished with the hearings so new business well
technically things are supposed to be submitted to Chuck with me ahead of time so we can hear what you're having to say depending on what the topic even is we may not be able to draw conclusions but please go ahead and on your own situation yeah well obviously I have a
tree situation um you know because the trees range there's 25 of them hang on a second you guys can Sorry they they they're all around from 15 to 60 feet away from the house they're all well over 100 feet the arbur came in and said immediate threat i have it on screen
yeah that's the house right there um you have very large trees that one to the right you see right there with the pink flag that has a butt crack all the way down oh I know this house yes it was there was a very an old lady that lived
there the place was not maintained at all i have found excuse me tires in the But you don't But you don't own it yet right i do own it oh so it offers accepted sometimes i wish I took it back okay to be honest with you okay i've
talked to neighbors they have concerns about it one neighbor told me that she the houses all next door had a similar situation like I do here they're all cut down one of the families told me that she used to have her kids um sleeping in the basement on windy nights in fact even to the left of your property
there's a stump out recently fallen one of the neighbors told me that that porch that had a tree fallen on it i'm concerned be honest with you okay and at the last meeting a guy said
uh because I've been listening that he said that um why why can somebody build a building next to wetlands and I can't cut down a tree and he says I've had to live the last 20
years in fear of that tree coming down now I get the whole wetland regulations and how that works but it was in covers at that time that he should apply immediately and I hope that by me introducing myself I'm willing to work with you to get
these things down I need them down so Chuck so Chuck has talked you through the process the permit for taking down trees especially right in the in the I just don't want to be dragged along i've read the minutes for 550 West Street i
don't want to be dragged that was the wrong one to read yeah that was I get nervous reading that i've read the whole thing how many trees does he take you 40 something trees no he had started out he asked for more than 100 he asked for more than 100 trees from the start so as long as you beat that you
better like you maybe have four or five i have about I have about a half an acre um and when when Chucky was there he mentioned some of my buffer zone areas and areas that I could possibly plant trees now we did pull the permits
already and northeast that was there i got that's the sign you can see on that Google um they they already made the determination that you can't plant here now I would like to make it
they made a determination you can't plant they said the soil is I don't know what the correct terminology is um but I would love to make it at some point where I could plant a couple trees in the back create some privacy because the owners of the the woods behind my house
they own two and a half acres out and they're always with their dogs back there i'd love to create some privacy and one of the the lady one of them mentioned today about transporting trees i got some small trees i'd love to be able to transport them in the air if I can you know I just really worry about
these these large pine trees for the foreseeable future i really do and I think we have other other ways of compensating besides just planting trees i mean you mentioned there's a lot of garbage in the back so I cleaned all that up there was an old sign
from the tires I had to get rid of um there was an old sign i believe that's maintained a lot and and I'm sure that's helping the wetland situation too i don't know i think I'm doing the right thing so I appreciate you bringing this up um I will now take advantage of you
being here to ask you something so that stream running next to your house was filled with leaves debris of all sorts and the town one time cleared it they're not going to clear it again so
please do not develop the habit of rushing things that way if it would help I can always make sure that that brook is clean yeah well it will help you too because I believe you but for the conservation for the neighbors I will make sure that it's clean because I own
the other side of that but just as long as Yeah just as long as you're aware that has been a problem area in the past and I think we've used up the appations just bottom line just hope I hope you guys take my application serious that's
all I'm asking for well thank you thank you so what what application are you permit uh submitting is it the tree per be the tree removal four four less trees would be a tree permit four more trees going to be four more trees would be
would be a request for determination of applicability and um yeah if that uh if you got a note from the aberist and they deemed that that tree up front was uh
dangerous that's all you'd need to take it down so we know we work with uh we work we work with all of them but I know it's it's Jim i believe Fitzpatrick is the one that has the operist license yeah okay i appreciate that i just I I
worry that you know with the amount of money I've already spent on the house I worry about just you know getting pushed around a little bit spending all this unnecessary money creating financial hardship on myself so you can't compare yourself to 550 i get it i know
completely different that was in back of a you know there was there was so much they were on a river they were riverfront they were in there was an untouched piece of land behind them was pristine and they if you go by now I drove by
that guy has done a wonderful job it's really nice no one's going to agree with this but I think that if we just agreed at the first bit it wouldn't look like that I think we both came out with a great project that is a wonderful
looking house wonderful looking landscape I hope they're happy because it does look Right i hope I'm in the same situation at the end of the day okay all right thank you everybody welcome to the neighborhood i love it so far i grew up in North Reading and my
parents are seven minutes down the road so it's a big upgrade there we go okay so we're going to move on for conversation about violation notices uh Chuck has some information to give us
about updates on 445 Pearl Street yes so I went out I went out to 445 Pearl Street with the town uh building commissioner and Ryan Perl the town engineer they both looked at the work um
the building commissioner is going to send them a uh a violation notice he said that that said that they um I don't want to put any words in his mouth but he was concerned about the retaining wall and I
was told to send an email to the owners which I did that said "Do not park in this area that wall is dangerous and uh do not do any more work." So they're on hold and I think the town engineer is going to
write something up and so is a building commissioner we'll send all that out see what happens and um hopefully get some email so he should be already notified i would consider him notified so no more work it did look like there
was a car parking there and you could see the retaining wall bending out and the deadman seemed to be not flush with the edge of the retaining wall as it was stacked up so like they're being sucked through so it's like set back a little
bit and I don't know if it happened that way plus there was some wires out there that were attached did you guys anyone see any wires in out there yeah those looked like stays that were keeping the wall from going out even farther but it seemed to be couldn't see where they were anchored it didn't seem to be anchored i mean they they went into the
soil but didn't seem to be attached to anything yeah well they were taught uh when we went out there But you know I I don't know how that was worked and the building commissioner said you know you need a structural plan stamped by a structural engineer with
this for something like this and the reason to get them out there is it's the the walls more than four feet tall so I haven't heard back from the rivers but um that's the update and this is an ongoing situation and if um I wanted to
send an email to anybody it would go to you and you'd forward it to to Rivers or to No to discuss anything that I see out on site right no I'm expecting if I drive by and I see a car parked there I want to tell somebody so I should just
tell you yeah let me know when I would always uh so if if you're seeing something like that um yeah you can send it to me if you felt like sending it to uh the building at the same time it's fine but I I'll always
uh you know forward that stuff yeah I just didn't know if that was the best no they they haven't everyone has their own bucket i mean I don't know if from what I heard I don't know if the building inspector or the commissioner is going to help us with what we're doing we
still need to proceed um but so we still have the issue where the other bank is loose soil and open to erosion we don't have an answer to that and it's covered in that was un clean soil there's there's cement bricks yeah there's a lot
of broken bottles you can see it really well now because the rain's washed the soil so what do we do about that in the meantime while this other thing plays it's not a separate action this whole I mean the plan you know we didn't say I think that far bank at the very least
can be stabilized that some even some type of a of a seed mix ought to be planted on that to get some stability or covered with uh with a fence of some sort or a netting that's just going to get worse every time maybe some top soil
and jat but try to clean out the you know the debris it's there's a lot there ashamed of cleaning out the debris is just going to sort of looser wouldn't want to do that until there was a overall solution in sight right so we
could just throw down some you know quick you know highway mix or something like that i don't know and then not design it and then tell them hey look this has got to get fixed or did the town engineer opine on the stability of the far side of the back if that could collapse imminently
far side seemed stable enough didn't seem to be i mean you're going to have some erosion rain but it was the uh retaining wall side that was the concern
okay so do we want to ask you to send an email to Mr rivers telling him to put down some seed on the North Bank is that the process yeah I can
uh any other thoughts about oh should we wait until we hear I mean putting down seed is fine um should we wait to hear from the building inspector and all that so Mike my issue is I don't know how
fast that moves in the meantime it keeps raining as you said the stones and everything you know is now more visible because the soil's washing away is washing away into the stream Is the seed even going to grow do
they need anything well that's the question so so what do we want him to do now while the rest of it plays out i say minimum throw down some seed that grows quickly to stabilize it i don't know whether there should be more
there should be a net or something right away you have any ideas to um the first the first question is logistics how how would it get fixed if if you're trying to remove that soil if you can't even park with car you're not
going to be able to park an excavator to reach that soil so that's why that's why you put it there right yeah so I I think what what we're looking at right now just a a temporary stabilization something that's not a permanent solution right um
So you think throwing down a seed mix will be fast enough sufficient enough it's a start i don't know what else to do but something and it's not terribly costly do you guess what you want to say yeah step up from there is just jute netting and some
seed or something like that but I think seed would be fine there's at the very end I don't know if you saw this Tony at the very end you can see where he's like one of my thoughts on the street end or the downstream uh downstream
so like he took the material out or he placed the material where the retaining wall was across on the other bank and he worked that down and he filled in his own land with that um I don't know garbage laden uh soil
and that's why it's across the bank now it said at the very end there's this spot that looks like it's carved open and I thought that that was erosion or it was just not enough soil to cover that also so I'm not sure if he's having
a significant erosion control problem over there where it's just kind of undercutting all the bank yeah it looked like that to me it looked like it was undercutting okay and and I think if if you look also there there's a lot of large large stones that were placed there and I don't know if that was and it looked
like it was recent too we saw scoring so I don't know if that was done as as a means to to prevent undercutting i I thought it was there to be a foundation for this retaining wall of sorts it could have been
multiunctional it's a lot of questions none of it looks so I would say have them throw down some seed mixes you can and give them what a week go there and see if anything grow and if it's holding then maybe before
the next the commission has a plan that was you know put together through you know William and Sparis that everyone agreed would work i mean that seems to be what he needs to go back to so you think can you think he can execute that
half of the design that far bank it it looks like so the the Williams Sparis plan didn't seem to be too elaborate all it basically did was you know 3 to1 slope it gave us vegetation
with the core fashion logs at the bottom so I think you would have to dig a little bit out pop those in and then just that's why I said some top soil now of course the retaining wall side you got to remove the retaining wall and do all that and that's going to lose a lot
of that area that I used for a driveway but I think you could build up once you st those logs into Can he do it i don't know if that was your emphasis but that's the way I heard it i mean can I don't know
is it reach reaching across is is Yeah is is is is there is there a spot to put an excavator that's not too close to that retaining wall because if the that wall isn't isn't holding he's not even allowed to park a car there placing an excavator in that same spot isn't going
to be much safer probably more dangerous right so is there even is there even an area that that he can work from to reach that opposite bank with an excavator safely well someone's going to have to do it you know whether he does it or somebody else i'm not sure that how it gets done
is our problem um it you know just that it does get done although don't don't we care that somebody gets selected to do it or self- selected to do it who has the skill to do it properly i mean I
mean there was some thought that this guy because of his background would be able to do that work i think we were sadly mistaken and so the question is if he did that before why is he going to do something better and different this time
i don't see that happening i could be wrong i've been wrong before but doesn't seem likely yeah i'm not I'm not sure you know obviously if I be talk to town council again I'm not sure we can tell them who can do the work can we tell
them who can't do the work i'm not sure we can do that we can't say somebody licensed i think we can only tell them what work needs to be done so if you wanted to go out there with a shovel and a pick you know as long as it's making progress I mean I think Yeah i don't know where that goes if you get into
that kind of uh detail yeah okay all right i don't like it but you could certainly monitor the work and if you see things that aren't going the right way you I mean you could certainly Yes up but then what you could you could say something
like the work needs to be performed by a qualified professional now he's works for a construction company he may have contractor's license or something like that and you know a hoist license and all that so we're really not eliminating
them but we're we are raising the bar i mean with with other projects we we require an an environmental monitor could have as a requirement as an or as a condition somebody going once a week or twice a week and signing off and saying yeah this is being done in accordance
with plan that's I get that the problem is there's a presumption there of suppose you go there and it's not being done well then what we're at the same position and now we're further downstream pardon the pun and some work
has been done and there's more exposed soil I mean it's in the applicant's interest to the violator's interest to to do it correctly and every time it gets done incorrectly it's it's more it the cost goes up okay i mean I I'll drop
it i'm clearly the only one in the in the land not in the land of Polyana but I just don't see this working out well no but I it it may it may not but if it there's only so much we can do i mean we we can't hire the company we can't select the company we can't design the
project i know all three of those things yeah so I mean it at some point it's up to the it's up to the We we asked Chuck to give him an email saying put some seed
down and we'll check it weekly i think one of the last reaction needs action items from the last meeting was you were going to speak to somebody about fines did I did I I did an update uh so yeah so I haven't heard back from uh
from uh town council yet but when I do I'll hear I'll let you know you could escalate it and call it uh an any legal fill of a wetland you could you could take it to district court I suppose so I think the building inspector is
unsatisfied and concerned about that retaining wall it's in his regulations that it needs to be designed so depending on what he says that's what we asked for yeah yeah yeah
but um we asked we asked for design by stamp by a PE right but we didn't have a retaining wall in our design we had bank that was it and at 3:1 slope and so you know if the guy reached in and made did
the 3 to1 slope and he reach across and I think that question came up about reaching across he goes "I'll get a bigger machine." That's you know let's move on sounded like he knew what he was doing but that's not the case not done yet
let's go could be true okay so please send him an email i'm going I'm going to update the enforcement order that's the direction I've got through Cassidy on the other side and um I mean you certainly can I'll invite
them to the next meeting and and and at that meeting I'm just trying to figure out like what can we do like we got to make this like we got to you know what is what is the final step the final step is to say we listen to you you modified
your plan we don't agree we approved a plan by uh Williams and Spargis you know at this meeting we're we're you know we're voting again that that's the plan we want you to follow no if about it and then we put that in the
enforcement order so now he knows that he can't modify it don't want a retaining wall we want bank and that and he has to have a date certain by when he needs to be done i don't remember we had that in enforcement order or not but it
would need to be in there give him two months or not it's fine yeah okay and so I'll update the enforcement order to get them to the next meeting tell them to throw the seed down but it's at that next meeting is when you're going
to have all the rest of that stuff two months we don't accept your other plan if that's what you don't accept I mean I don't want to put words in your mouth but doesn't sound like going that direction okay okay so next uh conservation DPW
monthly meeting discussion what about skipped one sorry saw DPW uh DPW storage container review and sign off this was uh the topic where um the water fountain that was put in
without the permit they were going to put uh stone uh border around it with wooden boards around stone board or and I was going to go out and take a look at it in the end Martha and I both went out
to take a look at it um first issue is a minor detail doesn't matter much which is it's square and the plan is going to be circular it doesn't matter it's big enough and everything else um the issue so you're saying they
they put it in the plan as round and how they built it was square yeah remember that right remember what shape it was in the plan you had it in your mind that it was circular okay so we'll double check either it's it's three beams yeah and
the middle is all filled with but it doesn't matter because I don't think that's an issue anyway so I mentioned it i shouldn't have in case I was wrong um but that brings us to something that I do think is an issue which is where they put boards down they obviously dug out a
trench put the board in and it's filled right in on the one side with the stone those stones right next to it in the plan it was supposed to be flush with the soil which is not it does stick up
the worst part is on the side away from the stone um there's a trench they didn't fill in the other side of the trench so they put the board down stone against um the board and then vacant all the way around on the outside uh
positive side is relatively flat negative side it is potential for ervosion what have you as importantly like the one we just talked about they didn't do it the plan so from my perspective I think we tell them do
it the plan fill in that other side um I don't have an opinion whether we should ask them to make it flush like they originally said I don't have a strong opinion either way on that or the very least fill in the other side any opinions on whether be in flush matters
if I'm standing in front of it what is the other side left hand side right hand side all three sides fill in the outside outside of all three sides from a wetland standpoint I don't know if there's much of an issue whether it's raised or flush yeah so I'm not
worried about the flush then i do worry about the trench so they should fill it and I there's a depression and that needs to be filled in yes to meet the existing grade yes yes well both okay
and plant some grass seed on top grass seed because otherwise the dirt will just wash away okay here's the concern okay um it also seems like a tripping hazard i mean that's not a
conservation issue but it just you know go out and then you know it's got like a six inch trough on all the way around the outside okay did they do the welcome sign that I requested
the what the welcome all dog walkers sign trying very hard to keep a straight face up failing and drink have cool your cool your little paws down and your dog it's not a good time for you and develop
a sense of humor big uh take a drink of our wonderful water here in Reading bring your dog with you yeah let them drink wine i'm glad the DPW and install that uh
water conservation DPW meeting monthly meeting discussion um I'll go first and then you guys can mitigate what I say if you wish uh I think it was an extremely poor meeting um it was an agenda much of the agenda
had to do with various topics that we conservation um were asking DPW to do uh we wanted to know that they would do them and ideally when they would do it for planning
purposes for example some of the topics had to do with work we're going we're going to have the summer volunteers due so clearly that would need to be in place before the volunteers get here things like that there were as I said seven items or so the answer we got over
and over not once not twice over and over is sorry we can't commit hopefully we can do these things um different uh cuts at it were taken i asked "Can
you pick three and commit to them so we can plan around them and the others you can hopefully get to?" No you can't commit to anything so at this point the coordination meeting has become very uncoordinated and it's it's
um I don't want to read anything into it that wouldn't be appropriate but um uh it leaves us in a bad place because a lot of things that we in the past years have gotten done and things that we were
thinking were going to get done and we have planning around it one thing for example is there are plans to build a deck behind material cabin the money for the materials would come from some remaining opera funds or or grant that's
a grant it's it's the remaining opera funds okay yeah and what we needed DPW to do still need them to do is put the uh the supports in place uh and I believe there were two trees there that were close to the footprint of the deck
and I forget whether we're going to look at them to assess them or things like that but there's there's different items we would like that one which is absolutely important is to recondition the soil in the bare meadow where the walk-in patch was for decades because
that's compacted we want to replant there so we asked them to put on their list going through there and turning it up um there's a place uh on the existing path that goes up the hill from the Pearl Street parking lot up to the
viewing platform where we want them to put a bench uh so these are the kinds of things that we have asked obviously benches have been put in place all the time just last year there was one put in by the pavilion there was one put in by
cabin this year we're getting the um sorry can't commit hopefully we can get to these things i think I'm going to stop now do you want to add anything to that yeah only to say that uh the trees were evaluated i think it took somewhere
around two and a half three months to get them out there i had to end up talking to Mike Kesman about it but the trees were determined to be safe uh so that's not an issue and they're not putting in this the footings they're
we're only asking them to dig the holes and not even to be accurate about it because the volunteers will correct left or right any of that that's needed dig them down to the final depth you know anyone who's dug a sauna tube understands there's some adjustment going on we're not asking them to do
that they just got us to a depth we'll do the correcting part and there's there's a lot of work in involved in that making sure it's right and as you know all the DPW guys
understand because they did tear cabin and they had to get those footings in place and that was their responsibility on that project but this one we're taking that away we're just asking them to just do the starter holes um yeah I don't know what to say it's tough
that's all they did agree to do a couple of things they're going to repaint the handicap spaces at Glette Sumps Morgan is that where we asked them to do the painting sure as part of the townwide restriping program they're going to come
over to Material Cabin and also paint the handicap sign that's there so it's going to add us to that that program right and there were some wood chips you asked for and they said they'd bring you the wood chips so most of the things
were probably can't get to it those two things were yes and the lawn mowing was we'll do as much as we did last year and I don't think they did a good enough job last year
no I I I don't understand why a town can ignore one of their pieces of property that we've just spent so much money on i've tried to bring it to their attention i don't understand why we're not asking for all of them but it would be nice to have this one at least to
look a little bit better would help us out by making it uh you know elevated standing amongst you know reading north reading and over for people to visit you know we don't want to okay
so so yeah so let me and one more thing we can't even borrow the tools from them so it's they won't let us do that either so that was super frustrating I was because I'm like I'll just do do it myself but let me just borrow some tools and I'll just do
it now i can't do that can't let you use our tools yeah they want to keep the tools so it's a union thing they won't let you touch them no I don't I don't think it was a union thing so I put together a
test for my wife at that school and they they went nuts yeah i don't I brought my umbrella went crazy so much okay I'm not gonna say they won't do it
okay so um I don't think I'm necessarily looking for any advice unless you have something good this is more of a heads up that we're going to have some headwinds for a lot of the things we want to achieve this summer um so this is what I've been doing uh
trying to locate people who have trucks and trailers and the ability to help and and connect with uh you know realtors that do community service scouts that do community service churches same thing
labor is helpful it's going to we're going to be slower but that's what I've decided to do um and and try to you know fill in all these jobs we have by trying to get as many people as I possibly can
now nothing's happened yet but that's that's my I've been asking everybody so uh as a matter of fact uh we have someone volunteered a truck and a trailer who's known by the Ready Open Land Trust so we appreciate that bob
Connor helped us with that all right moving on um any more administrative report have you done enough reporting feel like I should end on something great but I don't think Oh that's good enough okay ending is great so minutes
for approval thanks Tony minutes for approval um 2 is not done yet but 312 went out before the last meeting has everybody read it coming over that way
um so you've read it i've read it i read it four of us have read it okay and you you've submitted any comments I presume okay so can I have a motion to approve the minutes for January 22nd no i'm
sorry march 12th march 22nd it's about the same march March 12th thank you as amended I didn't get any corrections it's been perfect you got a gold star so we don't have to say as
amended as written so I didn't say it so I have a motion i wrote it somebody else needs to move he's not so it's you guys we approve the minutes to talk
uh March 12th or I'm sorry i move the second okay jim accepts uh seconds oh approves michelle approves are you abstaining
okay martha Moore approve i am all in favor okay do we have either other two that we can uh do they're not done yet right um 122 is not done and 3 26 that just happened that's the last one
yeah both of them are in progress just tell her the eyes of the world are on earth okay anything else we should discuss before we head home to see how much the Celtics won by nothing anything got a motion to
adjourn at 91 i move to adjourn at 9:21 great all in favor we're out of here anybody second