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Um all the materials are available at the conservation uh division page under um uh >> projects >> project by here. Yeah. Sorry. Thank you. >> Um Brian B is the commission chair will
facilitate this meeting. Please note that there will be a public comment period at the end of each hearing. Each vote taken during tonight's meeting will uh be conducted by roll call vote and we'll begin with a roll call attendance. Brian, can you please review tonight's
agenda and take attendance? >> Okay. Uh, do attendance first. Uh, the order I call your name in is the order that we will vote in. Tim >> Michelle member present. >> Rick, member present. >> Joe, >> Joseph Flurry, associate member present.
>> Walter >> Walter Talbot, commissioner present. >> Martha Moore, vice chair, present. >> Ryan Bo, chair, present. Okay, I'll review the agenda. Uh it's a full agenda tonight, so we're going to try and move it along. Um the first item is a
continuation of a public hearing for notice of intent for Zero East of Haveril Street, otherwise known as Simon's Way. That will be continued. Then we're going to move to uh 885 Main Street, which is a continuation of public hearing on notice of intent.
Uh then we move to 57 Longwood Road um which is a notice of intent that will be continued uh to September 10th followed by 692 Pearl Street which is a continuation of a public hearing on a request for determination of
applicability. Next is 18 Nullwood which is opening a public hearing on notice of intent. Next is 1503 Main Street, which is opening a public hearing on an RDA,
followed by 50 Longfellow Road, which is opening a public hearing on request for determination applicability. And the last agenda item for tonight is zero John Street, uh, which is opening a public hearing on a request for determination of applicability. We then
move to old new business, some discussion items, and then we adjourn. I'm going to hit the recording right now. >> Okay, >> recording in progress. >> Um, I mentioned the first one is going to be continued. So, let's move quickly.
Can I have a motion to continue? Um, zero east of Habil through August 27th. >> So moved. Talbert seconds it favorit in favor. Okay, the next one is 88.
>> And before we move on from that, we just want to set up a site visit to count the trees um just to see if how many commissioners can come out and do that. >> Okay, >> so it will just be a commissioner tree
counting. So, no one from maybe the town engineer will show up, but no one from Activitas is going to be there. >> Okay. When do we want to have that done by? >> We want to have it done by the next meeting. So, >> okay. >> It might take longer than just to put it
on the regular site visit on Monday. So, maybe sometime next week would work. >> Any idea how much time we would need to do that? >> I would think an hour to an hour and a half. >> Yeah. Okay. Um, so could anybody do it? Let's start with
uh next Monday. Could anybody do it Monday morning? >> I'm good. >> Yeah, I can make it. >> Is there any chance we could possibly do it in the evening or you could join me in the evening? >> Um, well, we only do one count, so it would be be one time. So, typically >> that will not be available.
>> Okay. >> Yeah, I think counting the trees is >> I'm working on it now. Yeah, I should be able to make it. >> All right. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. At the very least, we have enough. So, let's say it. Let's say it. >> I'm sorry. I'm not available that morning. >> Okay. Well, you're not a math teacher
anyway. So, um so we'll have it on um >> Monday the 18th. >> August 18th at 8:30. We'll meet and park in the same place we did over in the Burbank parking lot. >> Okay. >> So, 8:30 on Monday morning.
>> Yeah. Okay. So, next is 885 Main Street. Is >> No, Janet's not here, but um just uh we might just ask if someone's here from
Horsesley Whitten if they could raise their hand and we could let them enter the meeting. Um if you're going to raise your hand, you find the uh reactions button at the bottom right of your screen and hit the raise hand function.
anything. >> Yeah. So, no one's raising their hand. So, no one's here from Wesley Wes. >> So, what we'll do then is we'll um continue this to later in this meeting to give her a chance to show up. Um, I guess what we'll do is Chuck will keep
an eye out for her and when she shows we can take it as the next item. I have a motion to continue 885 Main Street to later in this meeting. >> So moved. >> Walter Talbert seconds it in favor.
>> Talberts in favor. >> Martha Moore in favor. >> Ryan Bow in favor. Okay. Next is 57 Longwood Road. This is also continued this one to September 10th. Can I have a motion to continue 57 long to September 10th?
>> So moved. >> Walter Talbert seconds. >> In favor, >> in favor in favor, >> Martha Moore in favor. >> Rainbow in favor. >> Okay. Next is 692 Pearl Street. Um, this
is a continuation. I'll read the blurb. Continuation of public hearing on a request for determination of applicability followed by Richard Kio pursuant to Massachusetts general law chapter 131 se section 40 the wetlands protection act and or the reading
wetland protection bylaw section 7.1 the applicant proposes tree removal of 11 trees within 100 ft of a border bordering vegetated wetland in intermittent stream. The application and plans can be viewed during regular business hours at the town hall conservation office 16 low street
reading mass or on the conservation division page under the project by year assessors map 57 lot 2DA 2025-8 >> Richard Kio member accusing myself >> okay
I believe the only thing that is new to consider would be the uh latest planting plan. Um I don't know that we need you to walk us through it. If we can just get to any questions, comments if there are any. So
does anybody have questions, comments on the latest plan? So can you bring that up? Okay. Um, what I'm not seeing on this plan is how it connects to the tree cutting plan.
And I don't know Okay. So, um, how many trees are we assuming are being cut and how does that compare to the
plantings that are being put in? >> So, from the last meeting two years ago, there was 11 in the buffer. We added one dead one. two was already assumed dead and then we added two additional trees that were hovering right around that 100
foot line. And at the previous meeting, uh, the board agreed that they wanted four trees five, the same amount of shrubs, which is equivalent to 17 and 12 trees, which
would be six and a half more. And what would be required? So from your plot plan that looks like this, you're assuming we're taking down all the trees that have alphabet letters next to them
plus the two more just beyond the 100 foot line. Is that correct? >> Yes. >> Where you alphabetized them up through K. >> Yeah. scroll down. >> Sorry.
>> Just doing my best to get hold of Janet >> here. >> Ah, yeah, that's the one. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, L M and where is N?
>> Oh, the dead one up high. Yeah. Okay. >> That wasn't initially on the plan, but the board agreed that it was dead. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay.
And I have notes on many of these trees of um issues where I agree that the health of the trees is not good. Um, the ones I
questioned whether they really needed to come down were um D, E, F, and K. Um, and there's J in the middle of them, which I think I
agreed needed to come down. Um, so that was the only questions I had of whether those need to be included or not. And I wonder whether any other commission members have questions about those. >> Is K outside the 100 foot?
>> Uh, just inside. No, just outside actually. >> Looks like it's outside. >> Okay. >> Yeah, good point. >> No, no, there is 200 feet we're talking about. It's inside the 100 foot from the top right of the view.
>> Oh, yep. >> Right. Yeah. The other 100 foot line, the vertical 100 foot line. Yep. >> So, so Brian, uh, the jurisdiction is 100 ft. All right. Like I said, the second 200t,
>> two different. >> Yeah. Any other any questions, comments, anything? Okay. Going back to the other picture. Um I I think I have my answer my own question as far as I say you had the two
red lines. >> Yes. >> Unlabeled. >> Those are the 100 foot lines. >> It was asked at the last meeting to add those. >> Yeah. But they're not labeled. That's Yeah, but they are. Yeah.
>> Okay. So when we're counting 11 trees here, um when it goes up to N, N is not counted because it's already dead.
>> But L and M are counted. >> Correct. So it's a total of 14 >> because three of them are dead. >> That's correct. >> Got it. Okay. And the dead ones are A, I think, >> right next to >> B and N.
>> Okay. >> Do you have any comments? >> I don't have any uh any comments. >> Okay. >> At this moment. And Did you run through the commission? >> Yeah. Yeah. I don't see any comments or
questions. Martha asked a question. Didn't really say whether you thought they should or should not come down. >> Right. Um, huh. Well, um, >> behind you is still fine.
>> Oh, well that's interesting. >> Anyway, >> so what do you think? >> Okay. >> All right. So for taking down those trees, what is the mitigation that's been
proposed? The mitigation. Rick, do you want to take us through the mitigation? >> All right. >> Do you want to take us through the mitigation that the plantings you're going to do? >> Is it possible that Chuck can change us so that we can see the planting plan? Oh, that is the planting plan.
>> Okay, >> there we go. >> So, I listened to you at the last meeting. We thought behind the Mount L would be a good spot for a tree. >> Yeah. >> Worked with the landscaper and hopefully
the flower and dog behind the mount. >> Okay. >> Where the two dead ones are, that's going to create and we can fit a black tree there >> between a sugar maple. There's also a dead tree there as well. It's not
leading towards the house. one of the prop that's actually hovering hugging the sugar maple tree but that could be between those trees could be eastern red
seed and then the other map trees that are being taken down right nearby a good spot for maple, also sugar maple in the back that I believe
is healthy and can stay um as long as as well as summer in front of all the the three trees along the property. Okay. And I'm estimating naturally
about 3 ft apart as well as the summer sweets. >> Okay. >> So that red maple is going where the trees I was questioning are coming down. >> So just behind the shed, enough where it's away from the roots. Yeah, we're
going to slow down. >> And then it's not listed here, but part of your mitigation, I think, is clearing out some buckthornne that's back in that same area behind the shed.
>> Okay. But that does count as mitigation. So, you may have already done it, but when we're listing up what your mitigation is, you've done some invasive removal as well. >> So, take credit for it. >> Yeah. Exactly. Okay. Um
>> I did also let the neighbor know as well that you had some back. >> Yeah. And >> public service announcement >> a previous planting plan you had some foundation plantings in front of the house >> and are those still going to be going in
or some of them at least? >> Okay. >> Boxwood. >> Thank you. that. >> Oh, there they are. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, I'm kind of sticking with the same game plan minus that box. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> Y. Um, so at this point, I think we've gone back and forth a number of times. Um, >> unless there's any objections, I think, uh, we can vote on this. >> Chuck or anybody in the audience needing to
>> I can ask the audience. That's a good question. Does anybody in the audience have anything to say on this? Does anybody in the online audience have anything to say? I wouldn't expect so, but >> So, I just wondered when we're uh going
to have the planting when's the planting's going to take place and that we're going to have the survivability. >> Yeah. >> The survivability discussion. You can close then the commission can talk about that. >> Okay. But the first question I think,
>> right, but there's nobody online though, right? >> Right. I didn't see any hands raised. >> Okay. >> So, when do you think you're going to be planting? >> Right now, it all depends on how fast. So, if something happens, we have a schedule
that I get. I'm going to attempt to try it myself. As you can see from the cost $12,000, I'm going to do my And if I have any issues, I'll be sure to contact observation and ask me to help in any way.
>> Okay. Well, the help is you finding somebody to do the planting for you. Yeah. >> Okay. So, when do you think >> trying to do something this fall? I can't find the spring. >> Okay.
Um so you want to bear in mind that when we have plantings there's a survivability percentage that we look for trees 100% shrubs you know 85 90% something like that in the conditions part of it we
will set a number but that should go into your thinking on planting because you want to plant when there's a good time to survive a good chance to survive okay Um, so I guess I need a motion to close this.
>> I move to close the hearing on 692 Pearl Street. >> Walter Talbert secondies that motion favor. Walter Talbertson in favor. >> Martha Moore in favor. >> Brian Bo in favor. Okay. Now conditions.
What conditions do we want to apply? Um, threeear survivability. Is that long enough? >> I think that's long enough. Yeah. >> That's from the planting date. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> Is there a plant by date that the
commission's thinking about? >> Well, so Rick was saying some in the fall, some in spring. Those are both reasonable planting times. So, um yeah, go ahead.
>> No priority first. >> I don't Do you? >> Um I'd be inclined to put the trees in. >> I always prefer trees. So, okay. So, trees. Um so if you're going to do them
in the spring, let's say um midappril would be the date by which you need to have found uh the time to finish the planting tax day. >> Okay.
>> I might give them a little more time than that. >> Yeah. >> May 15th. >> Yeah. >> Okay. All right. May 15th. Yeah, but um trees tend to be leafing
out by Mother's Day. So, you don't want to be planting them once they're leafed out. >> I hope in my experience right now watering over at I'm learning already about gator bag and everything like that. So, I'm excited about it. Thank you, Joe. Okay. So, May 15th.
>> Yeah. >> And if you could do it before then it's especially if you do the trees ahead of time. >> Is that all the planting? >> Done. Planting >> May 15th. >> May 15th. Trees and shrubs. >> Okay. And
I think you're not planning to leave any snags or maybe like the dead number n in the back. Are you leaving that as a snag or are you taking it down to the ground? >> That's right. Okay. So, you're not leaving any snags, but you're not
digging out the roots either. You're leaving them as stumps. Okay. Do >> you have any other conditions? Well, only to say that if if if the trees die out and you replace them, the the cycle starts again. So, it's
another three years. So, if the trees or shrubs die and you have to replace them, then it's another three year from the plant from the date of the plant again. Yeah. >> Okay.
Nothing else then can >> let's just before you do that just go over the conditions. I just have uh planting all the plants are in by uh May 15th and as per a list uh no snags threeear survivability
>> right that's all I have >> okay can I have a motion to issue a negative determination >> I move to issue a negative determination for 692 Pearl Street.
>> Walter Thompson seconds that motion. >> Thomas in favor. >> Martha Moore in favor. >> Rambo in favor. >> Thank you, Commissioner. >> Okay. >> Adam, uh, in all your discussions with Amy, not Amy, with Janet, did you did
she ever hand out her cell number? I I don't have it >> look from a past project. I will say that we did Jet at the request of the last meeting in case there were comments for open items. She did submit a letter in advance, you know, saying that all
comments satisfied is compressed. We did we paid for her to join for the commission's benefit in case there were any remaining items until we did address all comments. We are comfortable again
at this time are no water items findings compiance with the town bylaw. >> Um yeah I think I think I understand you're comfortable. I'm not sure the commission would be comfortable with closing without hearing Janet um here at the meeting to answer any questions the
commission may have and also anyone that's in a butter. So, it'd be great if you could, and I understand there may there may be an issue uh getting hold of her tonight and we could proceed uh and you know,
you're you could ask for us to close, but I don't think the commission would issue I think they would wait until the following meeting. So, it would be um up to the chair and the commission, but um I think we kind of built up to this
point where Janet was supposed to be here. >> We're usually not asked to use. >> Yeah. Well, I'm not It's not your responsibility to do that, but it would help you close. So, it's up to you whether you do it or not.
>> Yeah, we did. I don't I don't know if the minute the only thing I did want to say I mean the applicant has worked really hard at this point I made a significant investment not only in peer reviews they peer reviews as well as engineering fees etc and you know we we would like to be able to move forward
tonight we respect the commission it's something we were not able to do understand um again that the reason we did request Jana to come to the meeting um was if there were any open comments Uh we were very confident there were
minor comments which we did resubmit. She agreed that we've addressed all of them. There really are no open items at this time. >> I understand your position. We would prefer to have Jenny here so we can talk to her. Give Butters or anybody a chance to ask questions as well. They may not
have read the report. So it seems to make sense to have Janet here to give input. Um uh if you wanted we could continue continue to continue for this meeting and see if she does manage to show uh or
we could just cut it here and continue to the next meeting. >> We we don't wish they could our really hard again >> I understand the witness to be here. >> Yeah. Doesn't have to be Janet. Usually
we're used to know representative. So yeah, we I mean I will >> I'll call if uh if you don't feel like calling. I mean I've known all the years. >> I'll try to I know our faculty and our project team. They would be very disappointed to have to continue. >> Okay. So why don't we once you try and
make the call, we'll move along and um we can talk again after you try to reach her. >> Let's see. 18. >> Yeah. So, next is 18 Nwood. Um, I will read the blurb. Open the public hearing
on a notice of intent followed by Barat and Anita. >> Sorry, can you say your name? Can you say Can you say your name? >> And last name. >> Batia. Okay. Thank you. Uh, pursuing to Massachusetts General Law Chapter 131,
section 40, the Welllands Protection Act and or the Reading Wetland Protection bylaw section 7.1, the applicant is proposing demolition of an existing addition and deck and the construction of a new addition and deck for a single family home. All the work is within a
100 foot buffer zone to a bordering vegetated wetland. The application plans can be viewed during regular business hours at the town town hall conservation office 16 lower street reading mass and on the conservation division page under the project by year assessor's map 11
lot 8 d file 270-0801 Jack go ahead >> thank you commission members >> hi Jack I just got a message people can't hear you at the podium Uh, not you, but up there. So, you got to talk louder if you can. >> Okay, I'll talk I'll talk loud.
>> Go for it, Jack. >> All right, here we go. Um, >> you'll talk loudly. >> Loudly. Um, for the record, my name is Jack Sullivan. I'm owner of the Sullivan Engineering Group. Um, the commission stated we were issued a D file number
project 270-801. Um, Barat's here with me tonight, the owner. He recently purchased this property. Um the entire site's within the 100 foot BBW. Uh Karen Environmental uh performed the wetland delineation.
There's wetlands on the northerly side of Norwood Road and there's wetlands to the rear of the existing house. um in the front yard on this project. They they're going to look to bump out the garage um five feet and they're looking
to construct a porch 8 by 24 on the front side of the house and a new PA walkway. On the rear of the house is an existing sun room and deck that will be demolished. Um both are in poor condition. The deck's in really bad
condition. Um the existing deck is um inside the 35 foot uh no structure zone to the wetlands and the existing sun room is within the 35 ft construction to the wetlands. Um as part of this project is no trees to be cut. Um the challenge
with this site is access to the backyard. Um, as you come in the driveway, which is on the left of the property, there's only 11 feet between the garage and the property line, and there's a room of arboritees in that area. So, they wouldn't allow equipment to get around on the left side of the
house. So, I'm showing a construction access um on the front of the house and along the right side of the house. and doing that the back right corner of the house is only 21 ft from the property line and
it's within the 35 foot you know structure zone to the wetland so the access route is going to be within the 25 foot buffer zone to the wetland um I'm providing a minimum 15t between the
back right house corner and the erosion control line just to allow equipment to go in Um, as part of that, um, I'm also showing at the end of this project that there should be, uh, plantings and, uh,
we'll propose native ground cover in that area. I'm showing, um, a red maple, six shrubs, um, and at the rear of the property, I'm showing another red maple to be planted um, as mitigation.
Um, as I started off with the existing sun rooms within 35 ft that'll be demolished and a new addition is going to go in. It's 14 by 28 with a full foundation that'll be located just outside the 35 foot structure zone. So therefore that the new addition will
comply with your 35 ft setback. For the deck, I'm proposing a a smaller deck than what exists now. So we'll be increasing the distance to the setback to the wetlands. It'll be 8 1/2 ft by 14 ft. Um, it'll be 28 feet from the
wetlands. So, it's within your 35 foot zone. It's further away than the existing deck. Um, below the deck, uh, the owner agreed to putting in like crushed stone, so it'll be a a pvious material at least under the deck. Um, and it improves the existing
situation. There is a walkway that runs along the the the back of the sun room as well. That sun uh that walkway will be removed and that area will be planted. I am showing a 12-in diameter mulch sock is the limit of work line. That's the
real dark dash line up along the front. There is a 26 inch tree. It's a really nice beach tree in the front yard. we show the erosion control to um go on the upland side of that um on the access
route and um talking with the contractor. We're also going to put plywood down to that area just to protect the root system to that tree. It's a really it's really nice tree, so we want to protect that as much as possible. I think that completes my presentation.
I'll turn it over to the commission for any questions they might have. >> Okay. Any questions, comments? >> Okay. Nobody else has any start off. >> So, I'm on the reading website. Um I see the wetland in the front of the house across the street, but I didn't see it
in the back. Was that discovered during the wetland uh determination? >> Actually, Jack, why don't you speak to that since we asked you today? >> They asked me. So I had a sidewalk today and Brian were at the sidewalk. They said, "How did you know there was a wet on on the GIS? There's a wetland. The
owner purchased this two days before closing." He called me before he bought it. Two days before and said, "I'd like you to do a survey." I said, "You know this wetlands in the back?" He goes, "No." I checked out the town maps. But around 2011, uh, Anony's Rose Beef that
Shrimp Plaza, they had removed some trees in the back. they received a violation notice. I did the survey work and and the restoration work on that. So, I knew there were weapons off site. It still went for the purchase, but that's how we knew
>> inside baseball. >> Yeah. So, and also the town's GIS is just a data point, >> right? >> Not considered accurate and certainly wouldn't override a PWS's wetland line. something that the conservation
commission approved. >> Okay. Um yeah, at the site visit today um we looked at the wetland flags and the ones that were um within 35 ft of the proposed house or near 35 ft and
they do seem to be accurate in the field. Um and I would have asked for some mitigation of tree planting and shrubs and ground cover and they are proposing that already. Um something
else I noticed on our site visit on the um main street side of the property very close to the property property line there's a red maple and there's a very small clump of Japanese knotweed at the base of that red maple. And I'd like to
make um removing that knotweed part of the conditions of this project. Um it's small enough that it should be possible to eradicate that knotweed and not have a invasive plant taking over that space.
Um, there is also a small amount of bittersweet near flag A15. Um, which I recommend that they also um try to keep that from expanding and just be careful
cuz there's poison ivy in among that bittersweet. So, um, you want to be careful how you remove it. Um, and I think I recommend hand pulling for all of that. But I know
Chuck, there are rules if they are not going to hand pull that they would need to get permission for licensed applicators to do that. >> They would actually need a permit. >> Yeah. So they'd need a permit if they
were not going to just hand pull. >> Right. >> Okay. I think both of those are small enough that they could be controlled with hand pulling. Um, okay. Um, we did notice the trunk in the back left that's labeled 30 in has
some damage to the trunk. Um, so I just want to have that noted as pre-existing condition and not um something that might later be attributed to the construction. Um,
those were my comments. >> Okay. >> Um, >> let me add let me add to the 30-inch tree. We also noticed there were a number of bare branches near the top. So all in all, it's a tree worth monitoring and it's noted um that any damage
wouldn't have been caused by construction. Jack, can you talk about what you're doing to protect the tree in the front uh the one labeled 26 in? >> Yeah. So on the house side of that tree, we'll have the the the erosion control,
the 12 inch mulch stock, but um we'll also be laying plywood down along that construction route in the area the u the drip line of the tree um just so that when machines go in that it's no potential damage to roots. We didn't see
exposed roots when we were out there, but we don't want heavy equipment going over that um possibly damaging the roots. So, we think the plywood is a good idea. >> So, you're going to protect the trunk and put down the plywood for the roots, >> correct?
>> Okay. Um, let's see. We did note um some yard waste. Uh, I did go back and look and I couldn't determine if it was on your property or not. So, at this point, not
going to ask you to clean it up. Just going to tell you don't add to it. But there's a few areas of grass clippings and there's some brush piles further in the back. Uh so that shouldn't get any any that shouldn't get added to at all.
Um that's all I had. Uh anybody in the commission have anything before I give it to Chuck? Chuck, do you have any comments? >> Sure. Um so it looks like you're going to be um
you know your construction access is pretty long. Uh, and you're going to be compacting the soil in that area. Do you have a a plan to um loosen that soil back up? >> We can. I didn't give it too much slide
shot, but yeah, we could. I mean, they may have to till that area. And then >> Is it lawn there now? >> It's lawn there now. >> Everywhere. So, the only place I'm really concerned about is the 25 foot area where you're going to plant two trees. If you compact that area, it
might be an issue. >> Yeah, it's all along. You can see the tree lines basically right along. It's hard to see. It's a squiggly line, but the tree line runs basically right. >> So, he's talking about the back right. >> Yep. The back right. >> Okay. The back right where you're going to do the planting. I believe that's the
mossy area that we saw. So, not lawn per se, but mossy. >> It was It was very >> but it's disturbed. So, we could add some I'm not even sure if plywood's going to do it, but plywood uh in that area.
So, this is uh that's a that's a that's a couple of pieces of plywood um for sure. And then uh the condition about making sure that it's not compacted. Then the tree protection, you know,
we're really protecting not only the trunk, but the roots also, but you're you're driving right past. Um, >> why are you going past the house that way? Is they can't take things from the street and bring it in.
>> Yeah, I fig we could use the existing driveway. And then there's a post and rail fence along the front and there's some landscaping along that fence line too. So it would be hard to come in along the right lot line. It was and
they're already doing some work with the porches. So that'll be disturbed access point. So it made sense to have that as access point. >> All right. Um yeah, it's just a 25 foot area and tree protection. So, we're going to put a um tree protection
comment in the order of conditions. >> Exciting. >> Yeah. Um and then compacting comment too. That's all I had for this project. >> Okay.
>> Do we have stockpile areas for materials and for soil? I didn't notice them. >> I was going to talk on that. I should have said that in my introduction. There'll be no soil stock pylons. I I went through that with the builder after our sitewalk today. There's no room for
it. Everything will have to be taken off site. He said he typically does that anyway. So after he does his demo in the back and he goes to dig, that material be removed. Clean material will come in for the back fill. >> Okay.
>> And what about where he will stockpile the lumber for building the deck? and porch or whatever. >> You know what? He's on this Zoom call. Maybe he can answer that. Do you see Vincent up there?
>> So Vincent, can you raise your hand so Chuck can see you? Find the reactions option on the lower right and get the raise hand. >> There he is. I can >> stop talking now. Maybe.
Hey, good evening. So, can you answer that question about the stockpile for the um the materials you're going to use to build with? >> Yeah. So, we'll use the driveway to stockpile material and bring it back to,
you know, to use for the addition or the deck as needed while we're building that. >> Okay. Any other questions, commission? Before I move on, >> just one quick question. So, the
existing walkway that's being removed, is there like any anticipated fill or how is that >> fill front and back? That's something being taken out. >> Okay. Any comments from the public?
Any comments online? you're asking me. I you know, no one has raised their hand for this project. I'm sorry that I was doing two things at once. Um, so,
so what I I would just like to follow up that I'm not really satisfied with with um plywood covering the roots and that um can ask the commission to allow me to talk to Jack and work something out that might be more permanent for the length of this project so the plywood doesn't
uh degrade over the course of time being out there and whatnot. I mean, I not only have I looked this up, but I had some experience down uh next to one of our parks where there was some plywood out there. It just turned into mulch by in a couple weeks.
>> Oh, really? >> Yeah. It was It was uh chewed up by the machinery. I'm suspecting that you're going to bring something pretty big back there to to start digging. >> If you if you have ideas, Chuck, that you want us to use, it's fine. I talked to the owner when we get this approval
and the appeal periods up. They're set to pull a building permit. They want to get the demo and the foundation placing it this weather type before the winter. And then at that point, it just becomes inside work. >> So this access route should be >> right. But if it really can happen in a
couple weeks that Chuck has said, at the very least, it makes sense for you guys put your head together. Yeah. >> And be sure you have something that's satisfactory. >> I'll work with Um then can I have a motion to close this hearing? >> Did you get public comment?
>> I did. >> Okay. >> Um I move to close the hearing on 18 Norwood Road. >> Talbert seconds. >> Tim fo in favor. >> Talbertson in favor. >> Martha Moore in favor.
>> Ryan Bow in favor. Okay. What conditions we have? We have whatever comes out of the tree protection. >> Yeah, the tree protection. Uh we're going to uh amend the compacted soil uh so it can
>> so it can survive. Yeah. Um crush stone underneath the deck. Tree protection. Uh there's a comment about Japanese and bittersweet uh to be hand pulled. How many how many uh how long you want it
eradicated? You want an update? >> That would be ideal. Let's say three years. It's been three years and see how it goes. >> All right. So, on the occupancy permit, I should look for work
and then uh check it out in a couple years. Okay. All right. That's what I have. >> Anybody have any other conditions that we missed? >> No. >> Okay. Then can I have Let's see.
Um can I have a motion to issue order of conditions for 18 Norwood? >> I move to issue an order of conditions for 18 Norwood Road. Walter Talbot seconds that favor in
favor. >> Walter Talbot's in favor. >> Martha Moore in favor. >> Ryan Bo in favor. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Good luck. >> Right. So Janet's here. >> Okay. Uh so let's go back to 885
Main Street. >> Um I will read the blur. I don't think I did that. Uh, this is a continuation the public hearing on a notice of intent followed by primary school franchising company pursuant to Massachusetts general law chapter 131 chapter 40 the
wetlands protection act and or reading wetland protection bylaw section 7.1. The applicant proposes construction of a two-story childc care facility and associated structures consisting of a paved parking lot, walkways, retaining wall, playyard, and storm water
infrastructure. Portions of the work are within the 100 ft buffer zone to a bordering vegetated wetland. The application and plans can be viewed during regular business hours at the town hall conservation office 16 lower street reading and on the conservation division page under project by year
assessor's map 28 lot 133 D file 2000-0796. >> Okay. >> All right. Perfect. Well, we're excited to be back. Thank you, Janet, for joining us. We're going to try to make it quick. We know this bus is bus the agenda but we understand things tend not
to move quick on bigger applications but um kind of an update. >> Excuse me. Can you introduce yourself? >> Yes. Joshua Klein partner licensed engineer with Stonefield. >> Thank you. >> Um so kind of the the keys being we tried to kind of highlight this in our
resubmission to make it really easy for the commission. Four key items. Storm water peer review was completed. We've addressed all the comments. No, no open items. I think the key that we can take away from that is there's going to be no adverse impact to any neighbors besides
path the street from a storm water perspective. There's going to be no adverse impact from the wetland comply with the town bylaw and comply with local requirements. The other items kind of beyond the peer review requirements. Um there was a water quality unit
requested to kind of help provide enhanced treatment as well as help with the potential for a spill that was added to the plans. U there was some discussions um by an attorney that was hired by one of the abing neighbors objecting to the project regarding the
test pits and it's a layer of top soil. Very common in areas where you have houses built that there's fill on top of kind of the native soil. that layer of top soil um that was observed the storm water basins we're proposing are below it so it won't have any impact on the
design and then the last item was to kind of add a few additional items to the operations and maintenance plan which we've done so um you know we appreciate the the commission's time the peer review um kind of all the effort that's gone into this um we kind of hope
to >> Okay thank you Um, >> any comments, questions from the commission? >> Chuck, do you have something you want to say? >> Uh, well, there was a couple comments that we got from Butters, but uh I know
that um we have people here that are going to talk about that. I was prepared to speak if no one brought up what they called me about, but I I think it will be covered. If not, I'll I'll talk. So, we should go back to the commission after that. So, um I did uh I did talk
to Janet about the review and about um about this project, the storm water, and I'm comfortable with um the uh discussion between the applicant and our peer reviewer from Horesley Whitten,
Janet Bernardo. So, you know, with that said, I don't have any more comments about the project, but would like to hear from the others. >> Sure. I think that's where we go next. Um, can we hear from >> And I uh I got a late email. I believe
this person's here, Denise Murphy, but I I got a late email and I sent it to the chairs. So, it's up to you whether you want to read it or not. >> Um, is Miss Murphy here? >> She is. >> Okay. So, when you get to your chance to speak, we can we can cover whatever you
have in the email. So, having said that, are there comments from the public in the room? Yeah, I think Denise has her hand up. So, I'm sorry. >> Okay, now we can go online. >> There you go.
>> Are you there, Denise? >> Yes, you'll be able to unmute. >> Okay. Can you unmute, introduce yourself, and state your comments? >> Yes. Good evening. Dennis Murphy. I represent Miss McKenna who lives in the
property that you see on the screen on Duck Road. Uh this is the first time that any plan in this project has shown that house. Um it's also the first time that we've had contours on the drainage plan, which I
appreciate. And you can't see the contours on this plan, but they tend to flow toward the west toward the McKenna property and the BBW site is in the northwest corner and there's a vernal
pool in the southwest corner. So for the McKenna property, storm water runoff is a major concern. And um the the one thing uh I think that has been omitted
from the discussion is under your local wetland regulations. There are very specific um criteria for storm water. Uh in particular, section 3
N prohibits any storm water runoff off the site to adjacent properties. Um and they have to be mitigated by on-site controls and they can't
uh alter the direction of flow. Um, and as I sit here right now, you can't see it very clearly, and I don't have a way to point it. If you look uh at the trees
to the north of the play area, you'll see two gray boxes uh that are Yep, that's one and that's the other. Thank you. Uh those are
uh scour holes that are shown on sheet C6, the stormwater management plan, and they are right up against your 35 foot natural vegetated buffer zone. They they can't go in it. You're not allowed to
discharge into it. And so, uh, one of my questions is whether or not anyone has evaluated the storm water discharge from those locations, whether or not those are in fact retention or detention
function in the storm water, and whether or not they comply in particular with that section 3N and 3 of the local regulations. So, uh, I don't think that we had sufficient detail on plans before
because we didn't have contours. We didn't have the a budding house. We didn't have the vernal pool boundary, which you can see is very faint on this map. So, the the concern of Miss McKenna is that her property is downgradient
from this entire site. So the water naturally flows toward it and it already has significant water challenges with BVW to the north and vernal pool to the south and we just
want assurance that this storm water system has been designed in full compliance with the regulations so that there won't be any flooding off the site to the McKenna property. >> Okay. Thanks for the chance to make the comment. >> You want to answer that? Yeah, happy to
address. So, um, you know, the cover sheet has always shown an aerial of all the homes around us. I definitely not the first time, but I do understand it was in Horley's Whitten letter. So, we wanted to have to buy this aerial contours have always been shown. They're shown on the trading plan. They've been
shown on the green area maps. The vernal pool that was all part of the submission that was done before the last meeting. So, none of this is is new information. Um, we're simply review your local bylaws. We review your local bylaws to make sure we comply. You know, the
shower holes, the design of the system, none of this is directed towards the neighbor. Everything is directed to the wetland. It complies with the local bylaw and it won't have an adverse impact. And I think that this aerial image kind of helps. Hopefully, you know, there's a a microphone. The Yeah,
I think uh Mr. Murphy was kind of insinuating that the low point is the home, but the the you know the home or the property really isn't the low point. Um I've walked the site. I don't know if Mr. Murphy has walked the site or the wetland area. The low point actually
continues further north. So the the home itself is not a low point. Um you know again you see kind of some of these elevations kind of cross over. So again we're we're very confident. There was a peer review done by Wley Whitten that
agreed kind of with our findings and not sure. Hang on a second. Hang on. You have to wait your time. >> Um, okay. Actually, yeah. Janet, do you want to speak to that? >> Sure. Can you hear me? >> Thank you. Is is there any way um and and it fine
if it is not but any way that drawing C-6 can be shown on the screen? >> Yeah, Chuck's working on it. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Well, it it does show the contours and the the area that's um want to make
sure north. So, so it's plan north is north, which helps think about a little bit, but so this property on Duck Road is to the west and the wetland is to basically to the north and the
northwest of the property. and the contours on the southern half of the property that's closest to Duck Road. Um, under existing conditions, it does kind of sheet flow in that direction,
but under proposed conditions, they where they put the playground, they will be altering those contours because they're raising the the playground and having it kind of flat. So it's a less a smaller area is actually now going to
flow in that direction. Um so the applicant has actually reduced the the storm water that is directed towards the west has been reduced and the two scours
are um going towards the wetland. the contours in the area, the the natural contours will direct the um runup. The the one further
um to the southwest is the under drain system for the playground which will have relatively flow. And the other one is the outlet to the large infiltration system that's
under the playground that is taking u most of the runoff and that is retaining the two and the 10year storm events and reducing the other storm events. So so there is still flow because there's still existing surface area that's not
part of the the the building or the parking lot um that is going towards that wetland. But they're not increasing the runoff in that direction at all. Um that's is one of the criteria that they
have to kind of prove that they are maintaining under they cannot increase over existing conditions for proposition. So their calculations do um provide documentation for that. And you can see on this plan, if you look at the
bottom right of the plan, is there a way to either zoom in or pull it up? Oh, that's not that's not the same plan. >> That's an older version. >> That's an old version. Yeah,
>> new version. >> Yeah. So, that's chilly change. That is not directed towards the west anymore. That scarpool is going towards the north. It's in the west corner, but it's going towards the north, directly towards the well and with the contours
kind of flowing directly directly north and the the side of the property that is still um being maintained with its trees and vegetation that will not be changing the grade, but there's there's a small
section adjacent to the playground that will be regraded and that is kind of directing runoff towards the north with a with a small swale. either the playground itself is going to be like kind of a flat surface
with under drains directing any any runoff towards the north and or right adjacent to that playground there's a slight swale that will also correct >> yes >> is the correct plan
>> I don't know it's yeah >> clear for anybody looking at that um so the playground So under existing conditions you can see there's several contours that are kind of directing um you know water flows perpendicular to
those contour lines and it's flowing towards the the northwest but under proposed conditions they've kind of contained it a little bit more with the playground and directing any over under the under drains directly to the north
and then that little swale on the right hand side of the playground wall is a small whale with the regrading. Yeah. Go right down with your cursor. Yep. That area that's kind of directing the runoff towards the uh larger wetland
system. So there should should be no increase towards the duck road property. >> Thank you. >> Does that make sense? >> Yep. Appreciate it. Okay. Are there any other comments from
the audience here? Are there any comments from here? No. Any more online? >> Use your hand raise hand function. Um let us know if you have a comment online. >> The gentleman in the back had a comment.
He >> no one online. >> Do you want to come up and introduce yourself please? My name is Dr. 31 here. We've been here since 1993
in rain since 1975. This uh this commission tonight made me more aware of how much uh we consider trees in wetlands and I just don't understand how the town of consider this project and they're going to cut down to
be conservative 50 to 100 trees. I just can't see this ever passing. I have one question school here. Uh will there be any glassing in the area? >> Excuse me if you can direct comments my
way. >> Will there be any blasting in the area for this project? I know at 35 duck road when they built it the fourth house they had a blast. It was all ledge. >> Okay. >> We can't even dig down one foot before
you hit ledge. I just want to know he has no answer. Will there be any lasting at all? >> Okay. Do you want to go up and >> any any additional questions? I can do them all at once. >> Uh let me do one at a time. Just work our way through it and you can just stay in the area.
>> Excuse me. Uh we don't anticipate any blasting. Um we did dig I think four or five test holes. We went down 10 feet and had no signs of ledge. >> Thank you. >> Okay. I would like them uh the commission to make note of that if they do have to blast during this project.
>> It's in the record. So So noted. >> Okay. Thank uh Thank you. >> Sure. Thank you, sir. In the back, you had a question during previous part of the conversation. You still have it. >> I want to give you a fine. I just want
to see your lid on the TV. That's all. Um okay. Any other questions either in the room or online? I don't think so. >> Do you want to come back to you? >> Yeah, I I think a question came up about me. How many So, let's talk about the
trees. How many trees within the 100 foot buffer zone came down and did you meet our tree replacement policy? Yeah, I can I went through it in detail at the last meeting, but we do we meet the the tree ordinance. >> Do you have a number on how many of you
have come down in the 100 foot problem? >> Yeah, you don't have a detail. >> Yeah, you don't have to worry about if I if I'm asked I have to I have to pull up the real numbers. Um so again on the the plans
um let's see within the the 100 the tree replacement requirements are on the um sheet C3 there are 20 28 deciduous trees being removed and four evergreen.
A total of 32 trees are being removed removed within the 100 foot buffer >> and the replacements are all within the 100 foot buffer for those trees. >> They're highlighted on the landscape plan. They're bolded to make it very clear.
>> Are they all trees or are they Did you have to use shrubs? >> Um you can pull up the landscape plan. So C10 um the all of the replacement plantings which are highlighted in red were trees. So, a mixture of deciduous
and evergreen across the site. And I know this was asked the last meeting that everything is native. It's C10. I had that right. And I think I asked at that last meeting
about the red pine. Is this the project that had a red pine planned? >> No, we don't have a red pine. >> I remember you asking about >> I don't remember which. >> I don't recall that. But the last >> I think that was free cal.
>> Thank you. >> Yes. Okay. Thank you. So, no other questions or comments? Can I have a motion to close the hearing on 885 Main Street, please?
>> I move to close the hearing on 885 Main Street. >> Walter Talbert second in favor. >> Walter Talbert in favor. >> Martha Moore in favor. >> Rainbow in favor. Okay. What conditions do we have?
I didn't hear any conditions during tonight's conversation. >> No. >> Do you have any recommendations, struck >> for conditions? Uh, I do. I'd like to hear from the the commission first, but um >> Well, I'm going to start with
survivability of all the plants, right? >> And three years, >> threeear survivability. >> Sure. Well, um, so 100% on the trees and 90% on the trucks.
>> Sure. And previous meeting we talked about snow storage. If that's already in their plan, do we also have to list that as a condition now? I think everything was in there. I can't
think of any other external conditions. ask. Uh so um so um the storm water uh reports I believe that they're going to be request quarterly for the first couple of years and then um with a request you
can decrease the amount of times you have to um report. I just want uh to not only the engineering department I'd like the conservation commission to get those reports. >> That's no problem. And I while we're on that, I know Janet did have some
recommendation in her letter that we agreed to like recording the O and so no objection to anything that we saw. >> Okay. So, having said that, can I have a motion to issue an order? >> So, let's do a no salt uh you know uh we
have a condition about um salt and fertilizer >> for the parking lot. >> Yeah. For the parking lot and the fertilizer for the grounds around. >> Okay. So, at least within the 100 foot buffer zone. Um, and uh
that's that's about all I can >> I can think of. Okay. >> So, now kind of a motion to issue order of conditions for 885 Main Street. >> I move to issue an order of conditions
for 885 Main Street. >> Walter Talbert seconds. >> Michelle in favor. Ke in favor, >> Talbbert's in favor, >> Martha Moore in favor, >> Lambo in favor. >> Can we also have a a U issuing or
issuing the storm water permit is new to this commission, but we should at least mention that also. >> Okay. Um, so it's a separate motion and vote. >> Uh, I'm going to do it that way just because it's our first time. Maybe it's the combined, but fair enough. >> Please be accurate. So, can I have a
motion to issue a storm water permit for 885 Main Street? >> So moved. >> Walter Talbet. Second. >> In favor. >> Rick in favor. >> Talbertson in favor. >> Martha Moore in favor. >> Brian B in favor. >> Okay. Thank you. >> All right. Thank you. Thanks for all the
work. Appreciate it. >> Okay. >> Thanks, Janet. Thanks for >> Thank you, Janet. Thanks for coming on. >> Thank you. Sorry that I was late. Have a good night. >> Thank you. >> Doc, you pay for it.
>> All right, here we go. >> Okay, so our next one is 1503 Main Street. I will read the blurb. See, I'm going to wait a couple minutes for
our audience to pin out. Okay. Open a public hearing on request for determination of applicability RDA followed by Jared Alakob pursuant to Massachusetts general law chapter 131 section 40 of the weather protection act
and or the reading and wetland protection bylaw section 7.1. The applicant proposes removing an existing deck and constructing an 11 by7 sorry 11 point 11 foot7 inch by 15t
screen porch and 11.7 inch wide unscreened deck wrapping around the east and north sides of an existing garage on a single family home. Work includes the installation of approximately 16 to 18 new footings and the modification of
existing stairs. Portions of the work are within the 100 foot buffer zone. No activity is proposed within the 25 foot no disturb disturb zone. The application plants plans can be viewed during regular business hours at the town hall
conservation office 16 lower street reading and on the conservation division page under the project by year. Assessor's map lots assessor's map 60 lot 11 reading file number 2025-13.
>> Garrett, are you in the house? >> Good evening. I'm present. Um I'm not able to turn on my video. It's just the meeting host has to do so. Oh, and there we go. Yeah. Thank you for having me here. >> Yeah. Do you want to walk us through
your project? >> Yeah, absolutely. Um let me go ahead and start um let me see if I'm able to share my screen. I think that uh starting with a picture might be
helpful. So >> are you able to see my sharing? >> Yes. >> All right. Excellent. Yeah. So I've gone ahead and created an image um and just to walk through. So I've started with a
stamped built site plan which is on file with the town which was produced by uh professional surveyor. Um this is a zoom in of that image uh which shows the smaller area directly around my house.
Um and this is also the current conditions with the accepted exception of the tilt socks. The salt stocks are depicted on this plan that they were removed in fact a few years ago. Uh since this plan was produced, we've also installed the permanent granite balance
of the 25- ft uh limit of uh natural vegetation. And so this is an image which indicates the proposed deck to be built uh in blue here. And so it will consist of a roofed deck um which is approximately 12 x 12
or I think I put in 11 foot seven uh but approximately 12 x 12 and then an additional portion which will wrap around uh the house um coming uh you know at its closest point to the to the wetland. We measure the point the
distances from this granite bound um at variously 26 ft to one corner or 25 ft to another corner depending on which corner you're looking at. Um and all of these uh portions of the deck to be
constructed uh will be outside of the 35T zone and all work will take place outside of the 25T zone. Um, if it's helpful, I can also go and talk a little bit through some of the materials that I put in the RDA.
Um, and so again, part of the narrative um that I put forward in the RDA um will involve the following steps. So, removing the decking from the existing small deck. Uh we will try to retain the
current framing and the footings assuming they're good condition. It was constructed relatively recently. So we're hopeful this will be the case. Um we'll construct a new deck with uh the following dimensions which are described here, but again I think that the the
picture kind of gave you a better sense of that. Um some additional notes that I provided um uh was that no construction activities to take place within the 25 foot zone. We'll make sure that this boundary is clearly marked. It's already the limit of of vegetation from the
lawn, so it's clear, but but we'll make sure that it's marked when the construction uh contractors are present. Uh we intend to stockpile the construction materials on the driveway uh so as not to impact the lawn or to
provide any interference with the wetland. Um and if they we see any incidence of erosion um say from um you know grass being damaged uh we'll be sure to address this with silt socks. Um provides an estimate of the number of
footings to be poured 4t below grade. Uh this uh excavated material will be disposed of. Um if there's any stockpiling that's necessary on a temporary basis, it would be on the driveway. Um the materials would be pressuret treated wood. The deck and trim would be composite materials. Um
and then following this project, I would be planning to refeed the lawn uh just to ensure that it, you know, continues at full health. Um, I think that was all that uh all the materials that that I submitted. Um, you know, I've had the
pleasure of speaking to some of you on your site visits and so some of the things um that you know I understand we'll need to keep in mind are again the soil storage u making sure that erosion control uh is present if necessary or is put into place if there's any signs of
erosion. Um, yeah. So, I stop it there if there are any questions or discussion. >> Okay. Thank you. Any comments, questions from the commission? >> Um, I Garrett, I didn't see your
property. Uh, to me, and I'm going to listen to the conservation commission here and and Chuck's recommendations. To me, it's it's outside the 35 foot 35 foot buffer. It sounds good. You sounds like you have the erosion control with the materials in the driveway, but I'm
going to defer right now to the K. I want to hear their thoughts on on your site and their site visit as well. Question. >> I was impressed. He's been through this before with us, so he knew exactly what answers to give us,
>> what distances to discuss. So, I'm okay. >> Same. We we confirmed those measurements for the granite bound from the new deck at the stair while we were out for our site visit and there were no concerns there was right on the money. >> All right. Um I believe that there are
no trees to be cut in the process of this project. Correct. >> That is correct. >> Okay. Um and when I was out there um we talked about the part that's the screen
porch. It's described as a screen porch in your narrative. You said to me you might actually make it a threeseason porch. I don't know that that affects my decision, but I think it would be
important to have it accurate. What's your plan at this point? >> Yep. Thanks for uh thanks for pointing that out. So um the plan is to install um have the ability to install
double hung windows. So double hung windows will be installed um and then the screens will be kind of in place you know year round and then we we might install the window glasses as well you know on the shoulder seasons. >> Okay. Um, and
my other concern was, um, the new deck that's next to the screen porch part is over quite a steep slope. And um I was concerned when you
build the deck, the grass that's now holding that slope in place won't get enough sunlight. What do you have for plans to keep erosion from happening under that sloped part of the deck? >> Yeah, we're we're planning to put in
crushed stone underneath um all of the deck. Um, and so this would include the sloped area uh as well. Uh, we might try to level out, you know, the bottom area um that that's already close to level to
make that kind of um, you know, a flattened area, but but again, you know, with the plan is crushed stone or larger stone maybe if necessary to retain the slope. Chuck, what's your sense of whether crush stone is adequate to maintain that
hillside? >> Oh, the crush should should do well um uh underneath the deck. So, yeah, I don't I don't I don't think the hill is that much anyways. >> Okay, >> it should do fine.
>> Okay. Um, >> and you said the material stockpile and construction entrance is through the driveway on the driveway for material stockpile, construction entrance through the driveway. So, um, you'll need to
leave room when you're putting down the material for the trucks to get past the material. You know, it could be a little snug there. Um, and you say you could put down erosion
control if necessary. Um, and I know you don't want to kill the grass that's growing in the lawn there by putting too much erosion control down, but I kind of like the idea of having
something around the part of the project that's closest to the wetland line. Um, and again, I would ask Chuck what he thinks, whether that's
necessary or I'm being overly cautious. >> Um, how much top soil you going to remove the top soil before you put down the crushed stone or is it going on top of whatever the existing lawn underneath the deck?
>> Uh, to be honest, you know, we hadn't addressed that uh that detail in our planning. Um, it would probably be sensible to remove at least the top layer of sod uh prior to replacing it with crushed stone. Um,
but I I'm open to uh recommendations from the commission on on the best way to do that in a low impact way. Well, if you're going to be excavating the saw, I would suggest that you put in uh erosion control. If you weren't, it
was just sauna tubes. It it wouldn't wouldn't matter to me, but I I think you just um you only need it on the new deck that's runs parallel with the wetland, so along
that area. And you can use uh like straw waddle. Okay. Um yeah, I I can't imagine that'll be too too difficult to add on. So happy to
accept that as a condition. Okay. >> Anything else? That's all I saw. >> Okay. NBA commission. Uh I only have one point. Um typically when we have a new roof, we look for um
infiltration of the runoff into the ground. So some kind of a underwater sorry underground storage container uh being fed by downspouts from your roof. Um that's not on your plan. So, we need
you to uh plan that in, design that in. >> Okay. >> Yeah. And I don't know if you know enough to do it yourself or to reach out and ask somebody for the best way to do that and the best place to put that kind of a system.
Perhaps Chuck will comment in comment in a minute. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, that's the only comment that I had. So having said that, Chuck, any comments you have? >> Yeah, I suggest you reach out to the engineering department and see if the infiltration system that has been
installed can manage the additional runoff and then you could possibly just route the rooftop into that. If not, we typically like to
see drip irrigation or drip trenches like two foot by two foot uh at the uh drip line of the roof or a more formal method would be to uh just
bury a uh infiltration chamber and run all direct all the rooftop um gutters into that. the answer to that though. >> Um, so he will do it. So we could close.
>> So what if he's going to can't add it to the existing system because it can't handle the capacity. So, he has to excavate and put something else in place. >> Or he could back off and do the drip trench and not have to implement. >> We don't know what he's going to do if
he's digging and he might have to >> and where's that going to go? >> No, that's a good point. That's a good point. >> So, should we continue to >> Yeah, I think that's a big enough point that we should continue. you can get your answer from engineering and um then
update your plan slashnner narrative just so we'll have uh the right thing to approve that make sense. >> Okay. >> Okay, >> that does make sense. >> Um then is there anything else before we
entertain a motion to continue? Any other comments? Have a motion to continue 1503 Main Street to uh next meeting. That work, two weeks. >> Yes.
>> It does work because our town engineer returns next week. So >> Oh, good. So it does work. >> I'll have to ask Ryan that question. So >> So um and worst case if if it doesn't happen, we could continue again. Although let's make it as soon as
possible to try and get you away and go on your project. So I have a motion to continue to August 27th. >> I move to continue 1503 Main Street to August 27th. >> Walter Talbot seconds that.
>> Timber in favor. >> Rio in favor. >> Walter Talbot's in favor. >> Martha Moore in favor. >> Rainbow in favor. >> Okay. Thank you Garrett. >> Hi Garrett. >> Have a good night. >> Thank you. Good. Thank
Okay. >> 50 50 long fella. Um I will read the blurb. open the public hearing on a request for determination of applicability RDA
followed by Ian Moss and JN Stafford pursuant to Massachusetts general law chapter 131 section 40 of the wetlands protection act and or the reading wetland protection bylaw section 7.1 the applicant proposes landscaping that
includes installation of drylaid stone steps a boulder retaining wall and a permeable gravel p pat pat patio native vegetation will be planted for habitat screening and slope stabilization and old shed and debris on
town property will be removed. All the work is within 100 foot buffalo zone to a bordering vegetated wetland in intermittent stream. The application plans can be viewed during regular business hours at the town hall conservation office 16 red mass in on
division conservation division page on their project by year assessor's map 27 lot 285 reading file number 2025-11. >> Okay. >> All right. >> Can you introduce yourself please? >> Yeah. My name is Ian Moss. Um I'm the
home homeowner. I don't do this for a living. I build uh underwater robots. So, you'll have to um but uh yeah, and I'm also with Dimmitra uh Dimmitra uh Gardens by Dmitra. She's helping on this program. So, I have some hard copies that I'm
happy like to pass them around if it helps. Um but yeah, so I'm the homeowner. We've been at this house now for about 13 years. Been in Reading for 25 years. Um just a little bit of context as to what this is. This lot is
heavily it's heavily sloped down to an intermittent stream uh that's at the back of the property. What we'd like to do is just do a little bit of natural landscaping. I don't want to do any sort of golf course or very artificial looking. We just want to try and bring
the sort of the stream and the woodland around us in and make it more of a feature of the house. The key things that we'd like to do here, and Demetra will bootstrap me, I think, and give a little bit more background, is a field stone wall or a boulder wall. Um, that will allow us,
and most of that wall is in this side, the right side of the 30ft line. Uh, there is a little bit of overlap into the 35 to 25. There is nothing in the 25 ft zone at all. What that boulder or field stone, I'd really like it to be a field stone wall. What that field stone
wall will allow us to do is bring a little bit of uh clean lom in and level the lot a little bit so that we can actually use this. Right now it's very difficult to even walk on it because it's so uh it's so steep. So the key things really would be building this
field stone wall um bringing in some lom to allow us we'll never get it level given the slope but it will allow it to be a little bit more usable. It would allow us to put in a small gravel patio by the shed which we've just installed which we got the permit for. That would
be a peace. It would be fairly small. It would just be, you know, for a couple of chairs and a beastro type table. Um, and then a little bit of grass. And then coming down on the left side of the property right now, you know, you risk your life every time you go down there, frankly, because it's so steep. Uh, we
would put in field stone steps. Everything would be uh natural stone. And there'll be no mortar on any of this. It's all going to be uh natural stone. Uh but that would allow you to get down to the back of the property. Right now, we can't really use that property because it's so steep. Uh so
there would be the wall, there would be the peace stone, um there would be the lom and the steps. And then to the left of the property is uh is woodland. It's townland. What we'd like to do is trying to transition into there. We'd put some
uh native perennials like you've done down in Birch Meadow there with the pollinators. We'd really like to we really like the nature that keeps coming out of there. So, we want to obviously be in keeping in harmony with that. So, we thought we'd put pollinators down that side and then some natural native
plantings in this area. I think the key thing that we're asking here is with respect to this wall uh especially given that it does about 40% of it does go into the 35 ft. none of it into the 25, but you can see it does uh just kick in
there into the uh 35 to the 25. So that's it in a nutshell. Demetra, do you want to add anything? Do you want to speak to that? >> Sure. And can everyone hear me? >> Demetra, can you introduce yourself, please?
>> Yes. Hi, I'm Dimmitra Secris. I'm Gardens by Dimmitra and I'm working with Jana and Ian on this project. >> Thank you. Go ahead. >> And all I would like to add is that there is
planting that we would like to be able to do. Everything is the native and will be species. So basically this project is to use to be able to use and enjoy the
backyard and also to create more biodiversity, more habitat, a living landscape. So that's what I've designed for. Yeah, we we have just to close out on that, we have a lot of wildlife back there. We've got a lot of woodchucks. Uh obviously a lot of birds. We've got
coyotes going through there. We've got some foxes. We really like it. They kind of come down from the woodland. They take that intermittent stream all the way down into Birch Meadows. So, we don't want to do anything that interrupts with that. Uh we just want to, you know, make it a feature of the property right now. It's just moan
grass. And like I say, it's a bit of a death trap every time we try and go back there. Um, and finally, we've got a bit of money that we could do this. So, so that's why we're here in front of you. So, you know, any questions or any recommendations? That's what I'd love to hear. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you.
>> Go ahead. >> So, sorry. May I just add one other thing? >> Go ahead. Um there is prior to the arrival of my clients at this property um there is an existing shed that
actually belongs on the the property next to it which belongs to the town. It's a it's just a terrible place for a shed. So my clients are going to remove that. That's a mitigation. And there is
like a pile of logs. If you went to the site visit, you've seen all of that. So, yes, probably all this. >> So, so we'll remove those. With the logs, we'll obviously leave the base layer. It is natural wood. It's not treated wood in any way. So, we'll leave the base layer in case there's any critters underneath it. The groundhog
will have to vacate the shed. Um, but I'm sure he'll find somewhere else to go. >> Yeah. In your house. >> Yeah, probably. Yeah. >> The boulder wall. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Thank you, Walter. Go ahead. >> Yeah. I hate to be overly technical, but
on your plot plan, I don't see any 25 ft or 35 ft lines. Where where do they exist? >> Um, may may I show you on the paper that the May maybe I can work on the screen here? So, here's the 25 foot. So, the
intermittent stream is basically over here. Here's the 25 foot line. >> I'm looking at the online. >> Oh, I'm sorry. Maybe I can show you on you as you're looking. You've got the 25 foot. 100. >> And you can see that obviously most of the wall is this side of the 35. There
is just that small snag that runs into between the 35. Nothing is in the 25. So So Welcome, you didn't miss it. We uh I anticipated uh this coming up because Brian and Martha did site visit notes and so I went back to Dimmitra. Yes.
>> Um and and said, "We're going to need to put these lines in here." So, I worked with them to make these as accurate as possible. So, I I think that what we're looking at is pretty accurate based on uh some compass and tape measurement
from the applicant and just a GIS uh starting point from myself. >> Thank you. Yes, I was out there most of the afternoon with a tape measure. So, >> so it's as accurate as an underwater robotics expert can make. >> Yes. Exactly. Yes. Yes.
whatever that's worth. >> Yes. >> Anything else, Walter? >> Um, well, the fact that you're doing plantings within the 25 ft and construction within the 25 to 35 is something I guess we're open for
discussion on. >> Go ahead and discuss. What's your thoughts? Is there some way to move that stone wall >> so >> back behind the 35 foot line? >> We could. The problem with that is it
turns that piece of lawn would be lawn. It would be more grass. Um it would be so narrow that it's almost worth not worth doing at that point. Um, so that that's the problem with bringing it this side of the 35 because the 35
comes quite quite close to the house. It would be it would be very low in that area. Um, and obviously the most of the wall and you can see if we put some steps in, they're all within the third this side of the 35. Um, the problem with bringing it on the 25 contour, if
that's the right word, is it just makes it so narrow that it it divides up the land. It makes it look very postage stampish. and and so um there was an email sent
out which had a variance um explanation although we don't use variance terminology with the RDAs but um kind of uh just used it as a template and it was put together by Dmitra I don't know if
reviewed that Walter I can put it up on the screen if if we want to >> okay so they felt like they met most of the criteria easily because this is a landscaping project. >> And then uh I'm not familiar with this
part of reading's rules, but you're building a walkway. Doesn't that have to get approval from the building department? >> Um I was told not. >> Yeah. >> No,
I never walkway per se. It's it's it's just natural stone risers. But >> the thing is you're going down a slide. >> Absolutely. Yeah. >> So it's got to have you just can't put stones in the ground. We when I tried to do that at another town, I wasn't allowed to do that.
>> We will certainly as as a condition where we will take confirm what we need to do. If if there's a minor permit or as a permit requirement, we'll we'll go for whatever's needed. It's not really pertinent to this discussion, but I I just want to share my own >> I will I will take it up. I will take it up and and check in with uh I presume
it's Kim, but the building department, whatever it is. >> Um yeah, so that's it. There's no trees coming down. There is a tree on the town land that's in risk of taking out the deck on the back of the house. So, we've asked if that could be cut down to
become a snag. Um uh we'll leave it cuz it's it's full of birds. Um but uh we'll just cut it down so that it's a snag. But with there's no other trees coming down. Uh right now this is just moan grass so it's really no change. Um it
would just make it much more usable and I think frankly a lot more of an attractive space. Right now say I've been there 13 years and we just don't use this backyard. >> Okay. Any other questions from the commission comments? Rea?
>> Um yeah. Um, did they finish your roof? >> Uh, they are doing the roof right now. Uh, they got the roof on before the rain started. Uh, they have not finished it though. The other half has to be done. >> Ah, okay. Cuz I was there this morning and I was like, hm, a little challenging
to do a site visit with the roof construction. >> Oh, sorry. Um, thank you. I I would have brought you down. I did not know that. No, they they did it. They started. They have not finished. >> I I didn't knock because that would have been >> there wouldn't have been anybody there. I was actually at uh >> at work.
>> Um All right. So, having looked at that site, it seems to me if you were to pull the stone wall closer to the house, it would have to be that much taller of a stone wall because
the grass is so steep going down. So, um, even though normally I wouldn't want structures inside the 35- ft zone, this natural boulder structure seems like a reasonable compromise between
um, height of stone wall and steepness of lawn to kind of >> that's why we tried to find that sweet spot. We don't want it so tall that things have to jump over it. you know, we want to keep everything flowing through this yard. Um, we don't have
small kids, but you know, the next people might. Um, so try tried to find that sweet spot because wherever you put it on the hill, it's going to have a significant impact on the height of that wall. Yeah. >> Okay. Um, and then I guess my questions
mostly are for Dimmitra about the plantings. >> Um, okay. >> I have your plant list. Um, and so some of them I was able to match up your code on your typed plant list with your
letters written in on the plan. Um, not all of them made sense to me. Like in front of the house is a Z, but I couldn't find an a on your plant list. >> Oh, um, yeah, I didn't add the plant
list here is definitely for the backyard. Um then I worked more in the front those are aelas just shrubs like that. >> Okay. And is the front beyond the 100 foot line then?
>> Uh >> so that is does that matter to us? >> It looks like it's some of it. If you can see the footpath um you can see it's a cross. That cross is actually about 105 ft from the wetland. >> Okay. >> From the intermittent stream. Sorry. So
the aelas out front are irrelevant to us um if they're outside the 100 foot. What about the RS? Um those are existing roodendrin that we're going to try to um one is existing
at the corner the front corner of the house and then the other one exists now on the right corner of the house and I'd like to move it if I can. >> Okay. >> And that's up at the top. So I think it's out of that.
>> Okay. So R is roodendrin. >> Yeah. >> And GM. >> Um sorry, where are you? >> Uh right near the crisscross of the past.
>> Um yeah, probably like a Green Mountain boxwoods. They're not native. Yeah, I was going to say I'm not really fond of boxwood, having been digging them out of my property all all over the place. Um,
>> are you digging them out because they died because of the boxwood blight or because you don't like them? >> No, they just they spread boxwoods. >> I think that's what I've been digging out. Um, they were somebody's hedge and
and they pop up like an invasive pops up here, there, and everywhere all over the yard. >> Yeah. I'm guessing those aren't boxwoods. >> Okay. >> Maybe then. >> Okay.
>> Yeah. Privet or something like that. >> Maybe. So, um I I told Rick I didn't want him to have boxwood because I thought they um spread, but um but I seem to be mistaken. Okay. >> I want to get involved in
>> write down this. >> Sorry. Um Okay. So, and a few minutes ago you said these were species and native. So these are all the true native not varieties not variations
>> right. So my goal is to use only species plants. I usually can do that by going to various nurseries and garden in the woods. They sell species grown from seed trees and shrubs and perennials. So
>> I'm confident I can do that. That was a key part of the brief too, Demetra, was to try and keep it in as in keeping with the landscape as possible. We we didn't want this to look like an artificial type lawn. >> Right. >> Right. It's like trying to get, you
know, that privacy sense of space but without using a a green fence of arborite or something like that. That's not what this is, >> right? Okay. Um,
okay. So, in the backyard, just inside toward the house from the stone wall, you've got a CV. And I'm not seeing Oh, I do see it. Never mind. >> Yeah, that's >> I don't know what that one is. >> Fringe tree. Cynthis virginicus. I don't
know if I'm pronouncing it right. But it's a really lovely short tree. Blooms in the spring, white flowers. Um, it's just really pretty. Pollinators love it. >> And have you checked this list of your
plants against the native plant list that Chuck has on the town website? >> No. >> Okay. >> I didn't know there was a native plant list. >> Yeah. Um,
most of them look fine to me. I don't remember seeing verbi viburnum winterthor on there. That doesn't sound familiar to me. >> Winter is um let me just see. Bear with me because I'm I just want to
make sure I burn winter third. Um I >> French tree. >> Yeah, it's a nud. So, it's a it's it's named, but it's a viburnum nud and it's smaller, but the flowers and
the berries are the same color. So, it acts like the species, it's just smaller, if that makes sense. >> Okay. All right. And um the hydrangeanger arescence,
is that typical native hydrangeanger? Yeah, people call those Annabel, but they're not. Hydrangeanger arberescence is the native hydrangeanger that, you know, they're puffballs. They're sort of whitish and pinkish, very pretty. They die to the ground in the late fall. Um,
and they handle shade and they're pretty tough. Rabbits tend to leave them alone. That's a great plant. Annabels are a named variety that don't perform the way the native does. The native feeds bees, which you want. >> Okay.
>> And other pollinators. >> All right. Okay. Um, everything else looks good to me. >> Okay. >> The um the uh the former lawyer in me feels that I should say that we did pull
a permit for the roof, by the way. So, just so you >> I would have expected so. Yeah. Okay. Um, yeah, those are all my questions. >> Okay. >> Um, so you're going to remove the shed. >> Yeah.
>> Have you talked to the town about it? >> Uh, many times, but to to get it moved, but, uh, we'll talk about if there if you want a game plan as to how we're going to do it. Mostly I just want to be sure that that you have talked to them and ideally you have some written item
even if it's an email saying um that they're aware that you're going to be doing it and they're okay with it. >> Okay. >> Now, are you going to be pulling the the shed out? >> Yeah, we'll we'll definitely pull the shed out. >> And you going to be cutting that dead tree? >> No, that's on town land. >> It's on the town I know, but I don't know if
>> Yeah. No, we'll uh we'll we'll probably have somebody come take the shed, move the shed. Um >> Yeah. But if we need to file some sort of plan, happy to do that. >> I don't know. But you should at least be talking to the right people down hall so they're absolutely aware.
>> We'll do >> that you're taking the shed out. >> I'm sure they'll be very happy. >> It's a good thing with it. >> Um, now you're replanting the area where the shed currently is. I'd >> like to. Yes. >> All right. Um, and you're planting pollinator plants along the side of your
property. Yeah. Being careful not to encroach on town land along there. >> Yeah. It'll be along it'll be on the transition into that townland. Yeah. >> Um and in your narrative you talked about having a path go into the stream. If I can ask what's the point of
>> not not a path, it's just some steps down. The primary reason as I see it is when you're sitting on that gravel patio, it opens up the field stone wall a little bit. You can see beyond it. You can see the wall. Um 14 years. I mean right now I could just walk down the hill into the stream.
Nobody nobody's going to go down there. I think it's more for sight line and frankly if something's walking through here uh it gives them a way of getting down there and not having to go all the way around the wall and behind the shed. Uh but but that was the logic and we'll keep it we'll keep it this side of the 25 foot line.
>> I was asking because in the past we have seen places where a homeowner will put a path into a stream. Next thing you know there's some planks or a rude bridge going across it and it tends to expand. That's it. It It's not that. >> Okay. >> It's really from my perspective, it's
more when we're sitting on that gravel, that peace stone. It's to just open up the wall, you can then enjoy the wall. Um, and also just see down into that lower area. >> All right. And we've heard field stone or boulders. >> So, I like So, Dimmitra and I are having
a we're we're pushing each other on this. I like to I come from England, right? So, I like the idea of a dry stone field, a field, dry stone wall. Um, but I'm open to either, but what we will make sure is that it's not a B, it's not going to be a mortared wall of any sort. It's going to be a fully
natural wall. >> Yeah, I'm fine either way. Um, I guess I'd prefer if you have a final decision to put in the plan, but it's not a not a big deal. Um, okay.
I mean, you said you want Field Stone. You're the homeowner. Put your foot down. >> You haven't meant to meet True. >> Come on now. >> It's all a question of size, right? They're
>> It's just how big your rocks are. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. >> I did have one more question. >> Sure. Go ahead. >> Oh, I can't hear it. >> It's all right. It's Martha's turn. >> Sorry. I had one other question. I noticed down the border with the
property line, that's the town side. Um, there's a whole bunch of jeweleed all along that border right now. Do you have plans to leave that or are you planning to do something with that? >> No, jeweleed is great. >> Okay. So, you're leaving the jewelry.
Okay. I mean, it's going to get squished and it will look horrible once that shed gets dragged, you know, taken apart and pulled out of there, but it will come back. >> Good. That was the answer I wanted. >> I do think you need to be sure that
whoever removes the shed uh impacts as little as possible. >> Um, and then you get the plantings in as soon as possible to stabilize the soil that's been exposed. Mhm. >> Um, you don't want it to erode. You also don't want invasives to have a field
day. So, >> yeah. >> Okay. Chuck, do you have any comments? >> Uh, sure. Yeah, I had some uh questions about the shed and planting on town land, but I think um as long as you're going and you're going to look into that, that that's great. That's all.
>> Oh, the old shed. Yeah. >> I I you know, in the past they've asked that the shed be moved. um they didn't I you know wanted on town property so I think permission has already been given but >> might as well even email
>> go there again uh the only other thing that I wanted to make sure is um this sketch has some you know jurisdictional setbacks on it and so like you know when you're when you're talking or you're
looking at the the steps they end just a little bit into the 35 ft line. Are you going to try to be very accurate with this sketch or do we not really know where the field stone wall is and the
steps are going to end? I I can answer that. We will be we will stake these contour lines before we begin. And well, we'll st the 35 ft and the
steps do not need to go into the past that zone there. If if one step is in there, that would be it. This is as drawn is how this you know, you never know. You start digging and suddenly you
find something and something gets adjusted, but nothing is getting adjusted dramatically. >> Sure. and we're we we understand that. But if you're going to make a change, if it ends up being two steps or the field
stone wall uh is a little bit longer or something like that, just give me a call out and just make sure there's no other alternatives and we can just move forward. >> So that's all I would ask. Um and that's all my questions. Okay. Any
last thoughts, questions from the commission? Can I have a motion to close 50 Long Fellow? One second. Do I have more questions? Yes. I'm sorry. Um, >> got a couple more notes on a different
sheet of paper. Sorry about that. Um the clump of oaks in the front yard seems to have a lot of bittersweet around the base of it. >> Yeah, we're going to get that out of there. >> Good. I I would love to see that. >> Beautiful tree and it doesn't deserve
that. >> Um okay. And then um just confirm you're not taking any trees down on the property. Is that correct? >> The one dead one. Yeah, the dead one on the town property.
>> We're not taking the dead. >> No, no, no. I know you're asking the town to do that. >> Are there any trees being taken down in order to build the wall or do the plantings? >> No. >> Okay. So, the place where you're going
to be raising up the back of the backyard is already grass. >> So, grass is stretching credul, but it's green. >> Yeah. It's not trees, >> right? Okay. >> So, you won't be um
damaging the root balls of things by piling dirt on top of them. Good. Okay. Um and right now there seems to be a metal kind of fireplace grill thing down at the foot of the hill. Are you going to be moving that out of that area?
>> Yeah, it's just been there for years. Yeah, we'll move that out. Never been used. >> Okay. >> Maybe when my son But yeah, we'll move it. >> I mean, it could go onto the patio. >> Yeah, it could go into a dumb stuff. >> Okay. Which which leads to the next
thing. I didn't see any evidence of any grass clippings, brush, anything like that down in the stream area. Um, so just as a comment, um, continue that practice. Once you have those nice steps
down, it's not time to dump your grass clippings that down in the bottom. >> Yeah. So, that's one of the things that we've had a constant battle with on this land on the left. Um because until fairly recently, all of the neighborhood would dump in there and then, you know,
Chuck or whoever put some signs up, which made us a little bit of a prior in the neighborhood. But, uh it's getting better. It's recovering, but before it was a huge dumping area. >> So, yeah, don't don't plan to do that. Great. Thank you. >> There is a pile of brush down there that
I will move out. Pull out >> near the top of the hill. >> Bottom left of the shed. Bottom right of the shed. >> The pile of firewood kind of pile. >> Yeah, those are logs. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. Um and I assume you're
putting some sort of ramp or steps leading into the shed that you just built. >> Yeah. Okay. Um All right. Thanks. Those are all my notes. >> Um, >> all right. I >> a motion to close.
>> Move to close. >> For 50 >> 50 long fellow >> road >> Walter Talbot seconds the motion. >> Terrell in favor. >> Kio in favor. >> Walter Talbot's in favor.
>> Martha Moore in favor. >> Ryan B in favor. Okay. Um, any conditions? Oops. >> One condition is moving that metal monstrosity out of it. Uh, one is being
sure that if we discover that the steps are creeping down beyond the 35 foot that you will talk to Chuck right away on that >> survivability. >> We have trees and shrubs, right? So, three years, 100% on trees, 90% on
shrubs. >> Yeah. 100% >> on trees, 90% on >> 90. Sure. >> 100% on trees, 90 on shrubs. >> And the same thing we talked about earlier, >> three years. >> If if anything fails before that time,
then the clock starts again. >> Get permission from the town to remove the ship. >> Get written permission. >> Uh, no. That's on him. That's not a that's not a that's not our purview. That's just for his own advantage or
protection, I guess, is a better word, >> right? >> Anything else? Okay. Um, so then can I have a motion to issue a negative determination
for 50 Longfellow? >> So moved. Walter Talbot seconds. >> Jim Michelle in favor. >> Mio in favor. >> Walter Tabitz in favor. >> Martha Moore in favor. >> Brian Bro in favor. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much. Appreciate your time. >> Thank you.
>> Thanks everybody. >> Thanks. >> Thank you. >> Talk to Demetra. >> Good night. >> Okay. Next. Um, zero John Street, aka 77 Walkers
Brook Drive. You want to let people in? Oh, good job. Um, I I'll read the blurb. Open the public hearing on request for determination of applicability filed by Corey Schutzman, Boston Gas Company,
pursuant to Massachusetts General Law Chapter 131, section 40 of the wetlands protection act and or the wetland reading wetland protection bylaw section 7.1. The applicant proposes replacing an existing garage building and installing
underground conduit to connect to existing structures at 77 Walkers Brook Drive. Work is proposed within bordering land subject to flooding, the 100 foot buffer zone, and the 200t riverfront area. The application and plans can be
viewed during regular business hours at the town hall conservation office 16 lower street reading and on the conservation division page under the project by year assessors map 12 lot 130 reading file number 2025-12.
Okay. Uh whoever is going to speak for the project please introduce yourself and have at it. >> Hello everyone. Can you hear me? All right. >> Yes. All right, good to see you all again. Uh, my name is Carolyn Hollazac with BSC
Group. I am here to represent the Massachusetts Electric Company. I will share my screen with you all and thank you for that blurb. Uh yes, this work this proposed work primarily involves the replacement of that garage building uh currently demolished in uh
the building itself was standing until about 2011 when it was demolished. And just for comparison, I did bring up this is a aerial image of the site when the garage building was in place in about 2011 before it was demolished. So you
can see the building itself was there and and was used as a storage site which it has been still even though the building is not there anymore um the foundation has been in place this whole time and it has been used as a storage area within the center of the
substation. So the uh purpose of this replacement is to just bring that building back uh in the same exact orientation with no change in size or function. Um, as well as you mentioned those underground electrical and water connections to the
existing building. Um, there is a water mane that runs down along the driveway that it will be connected to as well. Um, and in addition, this area around the building is uh composed of mostly concrete and some pavement. So sections
of that pavement will be uh replaced, refurbished as well as um the original building itself had a septic tank, not a septic system, but a septic tank below the surface. And that will also be replaced below the surface um as as it
used to be. And that was a question that came up during the sitewalk was where the extent of that pavement is. Um so we updated our maps and I can send this to you to the commission. right? >> Um that it shows where the existing paved surfaces are. And this also shows
the location of that little septic tank um in a small patch that like about 10 ft by 10 ft that is earth and not currently paved. But the rest of it is betuminous I'm not pronouncing that correctly. Betuminous concrete and part
of it part of it is already paved. Um as well as you mentioned this entire site is with within bordering land subject to flooding. Most of it's within that 200 foot riverfront area. Um associated with Walker's Brook on the north northeastern
eastern side of the site. Um and most of it's also within the 100 foot buffer zone to bordering vegetated wetlands surrounding the substation. This work is well outside of the 25 ft buffer zone. And all of these replacement activities and maintenance activities fall under uh
exemptions under the wetlands protection act and the writing wetlands bylaw. Um some sections come under directed utility replacements section 10.022A2. Some fall under the uh exemptions for the installation of equipment within an
existing electric or gas facility within the developed yard. Uh that's 10022B2K. Uh overall this work should have no adverse impacts on the jurisdictional resource areas uh overlapping the site. We're not proposing to enlarge or add
any additional um you know um impervious surfaces to this project or uh increase or change in function at all from what's there. Uh this is mostly replacements. So we did conduct a site
visit with everyone this morning. Not everyone this morning. There's about three uh three of you on site and Matt Adam from National Grid came and explained the scope of work. Some questions came up that site visit. Uh first of which I brought up was the
location of the um the concrete and the asphalt proposed to be replaced around this garage. Um so we've added that to the map. I can forward that to the commission. There was several other questions. I can if if now is a good time I can go through each
of the questions that I wrote down from you guys previously and I have answers for you. >> Yep. You might as well save us from asking them again. >> All right. The first one was the uh are there any existing conditions that require specific schedule for vegetation management at the substation? We were
looking into the field uh to the south and I did double check our uh last order of conditions we received for this site and the short answer is no. But we did have one special condition number six that indicated that if additional trees
um on site need trimming or removal to contact the conservation commission or administrator administrator for approval. And we agreed that we don't want any of those um those plants growing up to be shrubs and into trees so that we would have to um you know
request permission to remove those again. So this site will be mowed regularly to make sure that that doesn't happen. Can you tell us what you mean by mode regularly? >> We don't have a set schedule right now, but at least two times a year.
>> Um, okay. So, do you do you as BSC have any opinions on whether two times a year is the way to do it? We've heard recently from Mass Ottabbon who encouraged us to
do it once a year in the spring. Does BSC have any guidance on it? >> We do not have any guidance on it. Um, you know that this it's something that hasn't been regulated from our standpoint in the past. If the
commission has guidelines that are based on Ottabbon's guidelines, we will certainly take those into consideration. Okay, we can talk about that later in the conversation. Then >> we also might want to talk about that for the other order of condition, the other project that was on the site um
that involved the removal of those trees. There's no there's no work proposed as part of this RDA on that half of the site. >> Right. Did you have any other you have any other questions you wanted to give us? >> Well, you asked somebody asked about the
sewer and water connections on site. So, I was able to confirm that down the driveway and along this east this um western side of the uh the driveway there is an 8 in water mane. Uh there is no existing septic, but it turns out that the existing septic that they had
in this garage before was just a holding tank and they will be replacing it with a holding tank that gets pumped out as needed. So, it doesn't leech into the ground. There's no, you know, septic system in place. It's not connected to town septic. Um, you also we also talked about the
history of soil contamin before you go on going back to the water mane. Do you have any idea when that was last used? What kind of shape it's in? Is there a chance you're going to find that it's deficient and need to be repaired?
>> Um, I suppose if we do investigate and find that it's deficient and needs to be repaired, that would be something we would bring before you. I was just wondering if everybody said turn the water on to see if it actually still runs. >> That's a really good question. U no I I
don't have the answer for that. >> Okay. >> At this time, but if we do notice any deficiencies with it that if that needs to be replaced at any point, I'm sure we'll bring that before you as well. >> Okay. Back to you. >> All right. Soil contamination. Um at the
at the site visit, Matt said he did not think there was any previous data about soil contamination. he wasn't particularly worried about it. Um, and so I did take a look into previous projects that we've had on the site. I also double check on Mass Mapper, the
layer for DP tier classified 21E sites and um, there were no areas of that of soil contamination that are significant enough uh, releases anywhere near this site. Um, so I know the conservation
commission was still thinking about this. Uh if you would like us to include our we usually do an environmental field issue training to the crews before they go out there. Um and National Grid does have some specific uh best management
practices for identifying contaminated soils and reporting contaminated soils and they have specific BMP forms for those. So we can include that in our environmental field issue documents. That's also something I can follow up if you want those for your records. I can
send you those BMP detail pages. >> Yeah, that would be great. >> Yeah, it's good. >> All right, moving on to the next one. Someone asked about the uh the process, the steps for removing and installing the foundation.
Um so, and with with relation to the stockpile area as well. So typically to expedite construction, a stockpile area will be beneficial and will be needed as a uh as an area to put the the concrete as
it's being torn down. Um let's see that will usually be put on a dump truck to return after to the to the disposal facility. Um sometimes so yeah sometimes that stockpile is put on a on a dump truck taken right to the facility. That can be
a slow way to go. So there probably will be an an existing stockpile on this site. Uh since we do not know exactly where the crews will want to put that, we will run the location of the stockpile and any BMPs related to that by the commission before it is before
construction starts um as kind of a way to notify you of the location of that stockpile and to get your approval for that. Um, there could also be a way to use the existing footprint as a stockpile as they break it down, but essentially first they will furnish and
install erosion controls prior to construction. They'll demolish and remove that old concrete foundation. They will load out all the broken concrete to a legal dumping facility. They'll excavate for and install footings with rebar, place concrete,
uh furnish and install frost wall forms and rebar. Someone asked about that. So, there will be a frost wall. They're going to then furnish and install anchor bolts for the building frame. Uh they're going to place the concrete, strip and back fill outside the walls, provide
interior trenching for water, sanitary, electrical, uh bed and back fill all the utilities, and then prep the interior concrete and uh install the welded mesh wire. So that's the the step-by-step process of how that foundation is going to go in.
Uh and then while I may not be an expert on that, um does anybody have any other questions about the foundation and how that's going in? No, doesn't it look like it? >> All right, I will reiterate that it's going to be in the exact same footprint. No changes in size.
Um, and along those lines, uh, in addition to the stockpile location, you also wanted the dewatering location, uh, concrete wash out locations, and erosion control locations. We did confirm that there will be erosion controls placed around the perimeter of the site. Um
there currently are um silt socks out there. Compost tube not compost tubes the the um yeah the silt socks >> are out there from the previous project. >> Um so those will be refurbished as necessary. >> Um and then we will again reach out to
you before construction starts to show you on this map where we are planning to put the deatering, the concrete wash out and the stock piles. And those will be as far away from the wetlands as possible. um probably within you know those existing paved and concrete areas
as well and surrounded by more erosion controls. Um and then the last question again was about the paving which we uh which we show on this plan again and I can forward that to the commission as well. >> Great
>> at this point. >> Any comments on those existing questions or can we jump into any more of you guys have? I don't see any comments on the answers you just gave. So, let me ask if there's any other comments or questions from anybody.
>> No, haven't said that. Chuck, do you have something? >> My bad. >> Oh, I didn't see a hand. >> Sorry, I was slower than Chuck. Um, as I drove out the driveway, I noticed that there is existing erosion control along the driveway that has green plastic
netting around it. And it seems like that needs to be taken up at some point so that we don't end up with the green netting left in the environment. And I don't know if that should be taken up before this project or when this
project is completed might be the better time. >> I believe that is associated again with the with the previous project on this site and we haven't filed the RCOC for that yet. But those erosion controls, all that plastic netting will plastic netting will be removed as part of that
project. >> Okay, >> that was it. >> Thank you for bringing that up, >> Chuck. >> Oh, I was just I was caught with the RC for a second. He so um
I'm pretty sure you can make uh not have woody vegetation grow in that field uh if you only mow it or trim it once a year. And um that's what the commission's been doing. I think the only question is whether it's in the
fall or the spring. Now, I'm not putting any conditions on this to say that it needs to remain this way, but I think well, it's acting as an open field. It would be nice to just uh have it there
for, you know, overwintering, escape cover, foraging for, you know, any birds or animals that that get in there. doesn't seem like there's a plan for it right now. And I think that the commission should ask since it's in with
our jurisdictional area to just have um the cooperation from Boston Gas that uh we just follow the same protocol that we use at our own bare meadow. >> Yeah. Yeah. And I think at this point,
um, Boston Gas is very open to those recommendations and, um, as as as you heard from the guy we spoke with, um, on the site this morning, you know, he he's very open to to recommendations like that as well. So >> yeah, again I I believe that that
conversation belongs more with the um with the other project, the RCOC, but since we're talking about it now, I we can definitely include that as a suggestion in our EFI training, just kind of let the crew know that this is the general uh standard in the town and
that if we can encourage them to just do it once a year um in those according to those guidelines, we will absolutely do that. >> Yeah. And I I think the other comment that came up is there you know, it obviously looked like there was a lot of hand work out there and they didn't they didn't tackle some of
the, you know, birch trees that had grown in whatever else is up out there. Um, and they're getting a little bit big, so that should be on their list for next spring to >> Yeah. If not, by the end of this year. Yeah.
>> Well, you know, you know, here we go again. But, uh, I, you know, we're asking that nothing happens this year. So it's it's able to be used over the winter. So next year would be our request. So um >> All right.
>> That's that's when it should happen. Um and it would be nice to know that you know again I'm not saying hey this has to be a field. We're not putting any requirements. It's it but it well they're not using it. why not just uh
let it grow in and uh and manage those habitat functions. So that's all I had. That's the only comment I wanted to make. >> Okay, Martha, >> thank you. Yeah, >> one other question. Um this this
septic holding tank is is is that standard practice? Um, it seems like these days title five or something says you have to have septic systems or
ti tied into sewer or something. Does anybody >> want to see if Caroline knows? I can tell you what I know about it, but I'm just wondering if BSC knows what they have to say. >> As a as a wetland scientist, I must say that it's not something that I have a lot of experience with personally.
>> Sure. I I just ran into it when I was up in Oxford. So, uh usually when it's in close proximity to a wetland and you can't get that uh the dtank and the uh the fields uh sufficiently far enough away from um groundwater and again we we
all know that this groundwater is drinking water also because of our experience at 87 Walkersburg. So, um I think a tight tank is what they're using because they don't want it to infiltrate into the existing groundwater. So, I
think that's what we're talking about here is a tight tank and it's a system that they use a lot next to uh streams and uh ponds. So, >> get pumped up like six times a year. >> Yeah. >> That was that was my question. >> Frey very very frequent. I just ran into
a townhouse. >> And so, so I gather this building isn't used very much. >> Well, that one might be small. I never heard that it was pumped out a lot. >> Yeah, they're pumped out very frequently. >> Well, depending on the size,
>> okay, doesn't matter. We don't need that detail. But basically any water that runs down the drain ends up in this tank and it just fills up with water and whatever else >> went in there and gets pumped out. None of it leaks out of that tank into the
ground. >> It's a seal tank. >> Okay. >> And it has a bomb on it. >> Ah, it's full. >> Okay. So, it tells you when it's full. >> Tells you when it's full. >> Thank you. There you go. >> Yeah.
Again, good point. Thank you so much for bringing that up. >> Any other questions from the commission? >> Done. >> Any other questions from Charles? >> Oh, I'll talk to Tim later about the tit. >> Okay, that'll be good. Um, in that case,
can I have a motion to close this hearing, please? I move to close the hearing on zero John Street aka Walker's Brook Drive. >> Walter Talbot seconds that motion. >> Michio in favor.
>> Walter Talbot's in favor. >> Martha Moore in favor. >> Brian Bow in favor. Okay. Um want to list some conditions. >> Conditions. Mowing. Mowing in the spring. cutting the trees, uh, which are not trees now, but they're saplings in
the spring. Uh, soil containment, um, they're going to go over protocol for BMP identification and reporting docks with the contractors prior to start, and they're going to provide that same documentation to the conservation commission.
um dewatering and stockpile area will be identified on a plan and sent to the conservation commission. Uh forgive me, was that for our approval or they're just going to show us? I think do we have uh Carolyn, do we have pro approval over that? Was
that what we were going to do? >> Yeah, you you can have some approval over that if you want. >> Okay. For our >> it can be a conversation. Yeah, >> I can truth for a second. Did we talk about a concrete wash out? Yeah, and that was another uh I'm not sure that location needs to be known, but but that
could be for our approval also. Right. >> So, the stockpile area, the dewatering concrete wash out be shown on a plan and it will get the approval of the administrator or the commission. Um and then the erosion control, you said you
would replace erosion control. I think the I think there's erosion control out there now. We saw that. Um we don't want to waste valuable resources for anyone in this world. So, we just want erosion control
in the proximity of the work. And if you could look at what's out there, if it was sufficient, that's fine. If not, um fortify those areas that uh need existing erosion control. And then at the end of this project, and it sounded like it was going to be
at the certificate of compliance for the other project, uh before that happens, they'll be removing all the erosion control and all that netting will come out. And I'm not sure >> uh that other project's finished. So what are we waiting for? Because uh you know, typically this commission doesn't
allow two projects to be open at the same time. The only thing we're waiting on for that project is the replacement of the fence around the around the border. >> Oh, and they're not prioritizing that until, you know, some of this work is done
>> so that they're not interfering with with in uh vehicles going in and out. >> Okay. So, maybe another year or so. >> Do you think it's going to be done year or so? >> And does that need uh Oh, and it has another year on it. I think we talked about that out in the field. this at
least another year on that old order of conditions before it expires. >> And I was actually just trying to think, I think the uh the mat socks that are there are in good enough shape that the ones along the driveway aren't going to disintegrate and leave the netting around if it's a year. >> Yeah.
>> So, okay. >> Okay. That was that was what I had for conditions. >> Any other condition? >> One question. >> Yeah. >> Go ahead. >> If you'll allow me. Um the the mowing plan, you listed that as a condition at the beginning. Should we include that in this or are we gonna include that in the
RC the other RC? >> So the problem is uh you so once you issue an order of conditions you can't add any conditions to it. So I'd like to see it in this which we have an opportunity to add something into. So we'll put it here but
if you want to think about it for that other one which is a notice of intent then then fine. But, uh, I'd like to start having it, uh, in some sort of documentation. So, we'll start here. >> Could it be worded as a recommendation or is it going to be worded as a as a
very strict condition? >> I would think strict condition. I mean, if we're going to enforce that in our other areas in town, we should be consistent. Okay. I didn't see a headnod. I was wondering.
>> Okay, that's it for conditions. Um, can I have a motion to issue a negative determination for zero John Street? >> So moved. >> Walter Talbert seconds. >> Jim Shaw in favor in favor. >> Walter Talbert's in favor.
>> Martha Moore in favor. >> Ryan Mo in favor. Thank you. >> Thank you very much for your time. >> Thanks. >> All right. So let's take uh 50 Johanna because that's the last one that people are here for. >> Okay,
we are going to go out of order uh and we're going to address um enforcement order for 50 Johanna. Is there somebody online for that? >> Moren Harold's here. I'll let her in.
>> Hi Moren Harold environmental. >> Hello Moren. How are you? >> Great. >> Good. Okay. Um I can bring in the plan if that works with the commission. >> Sure.
>> Just one moment here. Okay. Let me just bring up my notes. So, I think the last time we met was during the sitewalk. Um,
the commission had requested some revisions. Um, we added wetland flag 4A which is located here. Um so that was added in the fields and
surveyed field survey and shown on the revised plan. We also marked the proposed fence line. So that's shown in red on this plan. Um if the commission
recalls we hung pink ribbon. So the survey has picked up the pink ribbon as well and that now reflects um the red line on the plan. Um we discussed the eight trees and the
eight shrubs uh specifically about relocating them between the offsite resource area and the back of the fence line. That's been done and updated on the plan. I also had some
notes added. I'm going to scoot over here. All right. The bottom section of the fence shall have a 3 and 1/2 in gap from the ground. The oriental bitterswuite shall be cut
and managed. and the offsite leaf piles which was near that new wetland flag 4A-1 shall be removed from the resource area in the buffer zones and I am hoping that covers all the commission's concerns and
I can open it up uh if you have any questions >> I do have one point on the removal of the leaves and everything um we don't ask people to take it down to the soil Um, as you get nearer the soil, the
leaves are already decomposing. So the those lower layers, you can leave those because it's already providing habitat and what have you. So you're taking off the top layers of leaves. >> Understood.
>> Okay. Any other questions, comments from the commission? >> Are the trees already cut down on this one? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's why it's an enforcement order. >> No, I think at the last meeting they had left
>> there were ones that were having >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So the snags have come down. >> Yes. >> Saw stumps when we went out there for our last >> Right. >> And and tomorrow. >> Was there a plan for them to come back
and grind the stumps later? And has that been done yet? So the direction that we received at the sitewalk was no further work was to be performed. So no that has not been done
yet. Got it. Okay. So those stumps if they want to grind the stumps that's included in this plan. >> Yes. We'd like to be able to grind the stumps.
Okay. >> Yeah. Okay. Um, I just want to say I like the locations of the trees and shrubs that you put in. Um, and I'm fine with the
fence location as well. >> Um, it seems like it goes close to the stream at the top of the plan >> in this location here. >> Yeah. But the back the back edge is outside
the 35 foot. I'm happy with that. Well, I agree with you. It is a little bit closer in that location. Um, but we did hang the pink ribbon in the field. And maybe the confusion was at that time
is we didn't see this back or the sideyard uh property line state. Um so maybe that's why it's a little bit closer. Yeah. Um
yeah, it's just we have no trees and shrubs inside that 25 ft. no disturb line and also inside the fence. They're only on the outer edges of that 25 foot no
disturb sign. So, that was discussed at the sitewalk and I believe um Chuck made the suggestion to relocate the trees and the shrubs to the back side of the fence
because I originally had I think three trees in this area. Um >> yeah, >> and it was discussed let's put it behind the fence.
Yeah, I do remember that conversation. >> Yeah, >> you have something to say. >> Uh, I did, but it sounds like it's I don't need to mention. Yeah, it was it was about the fence, but you said you're you agree with the fence location, so I'm good.
>> Okay. Any other questions or comments, >> boy or girl? I haven't heard. >> Okay. Well, that was a right turn. >> Okay. Um then
can I have a motion to um approve this restoration plan? >> I move to approve this restoration plan for 50 Joanna Drive. >> Walter Talbert seconds. >> Yeah. Wait a minute. Uh we're going to approve the restoration plan, update the
enforcement order, and when is the work going to be completed by or maybe Moren, you want to let us know when work's going to start happening with the planting so I can get it uh right on the first time when I write rewrite the order.
>> I mean, if we could have until the end of the growing season. Right now, it's just the pits to plant. um unless you actively want to water every day >> which is a lot of work.
>> Um so if we could have to you know e November 15th or November 1st whatever the commission is comfortable with um and then go from there. >> Sure. And we're going to do the three-year uh look back. 100% on the
trees, 90% on the shrubs, >> and if anything fails, it gets replanted and the clock starts again. It says again, >> I'd say November 15th is fine. >> Sounds good to me. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, you want to make it a motion?
>> Uh >> you can you can just say so moved. >> So moved. >> So it was already said once, you know. Walter Talbot second. So moved. >> Mio in favor. >> Walter Talbot's in favor.
>> Martha Moore in favor. >> Brian B in favor. Thank you, Maren. >> Thanks. Have a good night. >> Thank you. >> Okay. So, getting back on track. Have to hurry.
>> So, we have Llaya Lane. >> Yep. Request for certificate of compliance for 51 L. somebody here for them. Okay. Uh any comments, questions from the commission?
>> So, this is an old order of conditions. It's number 968. N8 968. >> Um these these old ones come up every once in a while. It's tough to look back. This looks like
it's like 1989. Um yeah, 1989. It was a subdivision, Deborra Drive. And this is one one of the lots. This really hangs up people when they're buying houses or trying to
sell them or refinance. Um sometimes I agree that we need an asbuilt plan and sometimes I think it could be waved, but that's always up to the commission. The way the wetlands protection act sees it
um is that we always need a uh asbel plan. So it's uh in in every case it's up to the commission to wave it but we can point to a section in WPA
and not give a certificate of compliance if um commissioners felt like they wanted and the reason is is because we have to make sure the work was completed uh properly. So we need to know what we we asked for and we have to know what's
existing. So we wouldn't be able to tell without a plan and an asbuilt of how it was uh built. >> In this case, I think the chair is going to make a recommendation and u leave it there. Yeah.
>> Okay. Um >> oh, one more thing, JK. So, um I am going to make a recommendation. First, I'm going to say we did a site visit. Uh it looked in good shape. It um we didn't see any real
yard waste or anything like that through the gate in the back right. We did see some plastic bins. They will have to be taken out. Uh but there wasn't what we see typically with the yard waste, you know, leaves, grass clippings or anything. Um
so my recommendation will be that we do wave it. Um it has been a problem with this particular area in the past and my perspective these people have done the right thing for a long time and I think we should let them go.
So, having said that, any questions on recommendation or anything else? >> No. Okay. Um, I have a motion to approve to approve a certificate of compliance.
>> Add the wave to, you know, either do them together or do them separately, but add that in. >> So, we're going to make the motion have that in. So I move that we wave the requirement for an asbuilt plan and approve the
certificate of compliance for 51 L. >> Talbot second. >> Rick Q in favor. >> Talbot's in favor. >> Oh Martha Moore in favor. >> Rainbow in favor.
Okay. Was there an update to 25 South Street or I just left it on there by mistake? >> Uh, no. Um, the update is I have not been able to Well, okay. This is a property where there was unpermitted tree cuts. Martha and I have been out to
talk with them actually a number of times at this point and we have arrived at a final determination which I'm trying to communicate to the homeowner. Um, I have not been able to get through on the phone for various reasons. So, I
got the address from Martha and I sent an email uh telling the homeowner what we have in mind and then I want to speak to them. That was only done today. So, no answer yet. So, I'll give another update on next meeting. >> Yeah. So, I would say we'll hang tight
and we'll update the enforcement order once you have your discussion. Okay. >> Okay. There are no other updates on item 12, the violation notices. Brings us to discussion items. The first one is the
coordination meeting with DPW. Um the roster has now changed where it's just Chuck from the conservation side of the house. Uh so so Chuck, do you want to give us an update on your last meeting? >> Yeah. So, uh, I don't know how this
happened, but there was some one Andrew McNichol, Chris Cole, or C, Mike Kesman, um, felt it would be a more streamlined process to have it staff only.
So, I I'm still not part of writing the agenda, uh, which seems to come out a few hours before the meeting. Uh, there's no time to add my my things into it. and we're still not hearing what DPW is doing or planning to do. Um, but
they've um started talking about uh a few projects actually, you know, actually I take that back. Um, it came up in the meeting a couple of projects. So we and we and then we went and ended up looking at those and and so
the process um that immediately started was they told me about some projects and um Mike brought up that for my requests which are once a year at this point I need to
fill out this form and he had a he had like a draft of something that he wanted. So, I actually put together a form and um I have to fill this form out when I do projects like I did last year like the like the deck and the benches and
and things like that and give them dates and quantities and things like you know who's doing them if it's a grant. a lot of information. And so when we looked at one of their projects, which was uh at the end of Long Wood, which is off West Street,
um they want to repave the area that's near the pump station. If you go out there anytime, you'll see the white dotted line on the ground. Now, I thought repaving the exact amount of of pavement is something that the commission may not be
involved in. like just like you're not involved in people repaving their driveway. So, I thought it was very consistent for me to look at it and make that determination. So, the other thing that um uh they're doing there is they're just going to put
a new liner in the existing pump station, which is all kind of inside the tube work. Uh there'll be people out there, there'll be this and that. Um, and so those things came up in the uh in the
meeting and then Mike, me and Mike had to drive around and look at a couple of projects. So that was also an additional thing that we ended up doing. And so he's going to have to fill up the same form that I need to fill out to determine whether these projects are going to be minor projects, RDAs, or
notices of intent. Uh we were also able to get together on a new uh kind of ad in and I was able to speak to Mike and Chris Cole very clearly about some notices of intent. The commission's very
understanding that Mike Kesman will be filling these out. But certain ones we would like some support from a wetland firm and they agreed to that. Um there's a couple that come in mind, but they're they're more intensive. They're they're
um armored bank uh repairs. So there's a lot of things to think about within that and they agreed that that would be a good good time to get someone else in. Um so I think it was a first good meeting. Uh we had followed up with a
pretty lengthy site visit and and driving around town, but um yeah, it seems like uh it first meeting is is pretty good. So I I would just say that anything that you guys see, eyes and ears of the commission, anything you
see around town, we always have these on the first Tuesday of the month. So get those comments to me. Hey, I saw this. These are town projects. This is not like homeowner stuff. Um, did you hear about the work on Walkersburg Drive? Did
someone report that to you? I saw a truck taking down trees or someone was in the drainage ditch cleaning it up. That's the kind of stuff that we wanted to mention. Even though it looks small or big, it's still good to mention it because believe it or not, sometimes all
that information and all that work doesn't get up to the top very quickly. So Chris and Mike may not even know about some of these things and it's good to good to mention them. Good to get them on the way. >> It's good to let them know that we are
looking and taking note. That helps them do things the right way. >> Yeah. And I don't want to say they don't know about anything. The two I mentioned probably they would absolutely know about, but there's other things that may they may not know about. >> Okay. >> So
>> Okay. Do you have any administrative report and beyond that you just talked about? >> No, this No, not not for now. Um, I think that I'd like to update you on the Montasauri for school, but that's
>> nine minutes to go. We're probably not going to do that. >> What? >> No, if you want to go ahead. >> No, I'm not going to do that. I'm going to wait on that. It's there's a lot of things happening about that right now. We're going to um hold off on that. the
cabin uh deck. The deck is completed. Uh there's a few little odds and ends that needs to be completed before we get our final. Uh and I guess the most important thing is right now we're not using the the cabin is not available for renting at this moment. Uh and the town's
working on that uh as at this moment also and to see if we can get it uh in a position so it can be rented. Okay, >> that's my report. >> Great. Thank you. Let's move on to minutes for approval.
The first one is June 25th. And I have a motion to approve the minutes from June 25th. >> I move that we approve the minutes from June 25th. >> Walter Talbot seconds.
>> Rick Kio in favor. >> Alter in favor. >> Martha Moore in favor. >> Mo in favor. Do Brian, do you want to go over the process for if they do have comments, how that happens? Just describe whoever. >> Sure. Um, so the um the minutes are
written up by a scribe. She sends uh via email the minutes to us. If you have comments, send them back to her directly. Do not copy the other members of the commission. Um, >> her and me. and I was going to say that
but not to the rest of us because that violates the open meeting law and then it's up to her to update. Um and um so your comments go in, she updates, we approve it, and the updated ones are stored. >> Yeah.
>> So comments go to Emily and Chuck. >> Okay. >> And then we'll be looking at the updated version at the meeting to approve. And so we don't have a great system for this. You'll have to look for your updates. If they're not on there, you
would say, "I had updates. They're not on here." So, we can't approve these minutes. >> Okay. Uh minutes. >> Where would we look for those updates? >> Thank you. >> Where would you look for the updates? Well, you know where the section is you've updated. So, when you get the
updated minutes, you need to check it to make sure your updates are in it. I don't think Emily sends out the updated minutes. >> She doesn't. >> Not that I have seen. >> So, we have to ask her to do that. >> I thought that was what was happening. She's making she's doing the updates
>> like we should be voting on >> on >> she's writing the minutes. We're reviewing them. >> In the past, what we've done is we've approved the minutes as amended >> and then Yeah. But then we said she should be doing all the updates. So I thought that was the process for that
would be we need to approve >> no she hasn't updated version she hasn't been sending out the updates um the complication would be each of us might have comments so is there a time frame by which we
have to send our comments in so only one final is available >> no because if the if the system breaks down we've put minutes off for for a couple meetings things. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. If you if you don't see your comments or you had comments or you're
not ready to approve, just let us know. >> So, in other words, so so the guidance to her will be if you get up up updates, update the document, wait until the, you know, the before the next
meeting, maybe the Monday before, and then send out whatever you have. And that gives us a few days to read it, review it if you want. If not, we're going to approve it anyway, but we'll be approving amended minutes. >> All right. Can you talk to her about
that? >> Um, I need to ask her to send out the updated version when she's finished updating it. >> Mhm. >> No, >> no. Um, so >> I'm sorry. I was looking to see whether
I had sent my comments. for Walter's thought, which is a valid one, is what happens if each one of us is sending things in independently. We don't want her having to update five times. Not that that's likely going to happen anyway. So, what I suggested is she
would just accumulate any updates and send out an updated one as necessary, say the Monday before the next meeting, which gives us a few days to review it in time for us to approve the amended one. >> Well, let's say let's just Why don't you
say so? It's it's easy once they're in. So, you would look and you would have these new minutes, draft minutes. you know, you know what date they came in. Two weeks, you have to have your comments in within two weeks. Okay?
Whenever they come in or whatever that number is. Fair enough. Right. Because then if you didn't do it until like Wednesday, you would always remember two weeks, you could see if you had time or not. You got to live with what it is. >> That's right. And in the end, the bottom line is you will live with what it is. >> Yeah. And then she can So after two
weeks, she can send them out again with any comments. So, we would not be able to approve the most recent minutes at a meeting because that two weeks cycle hasn't finished yet,
>> right? There'll be a lag. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> So, >> so how we get around that with the open meeting law is that you are allowed to post draft minutes. >> Just have to say draft. It hasn't happened where someone want them. Usually when someone requests the the
minutes and they're not there, we send them the draft. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Right. So that doesn't >> She has at this point caught up on all the back minutes >> and sent out all the way through July 23rd.
>> Mhm. >> But are we therefore not voting on July 23rd today because people didn't have a chance to send corrections and see the update version? It's up to the commission, but I think we could vote on these and then start that policy
>> with this meeting. >> Okay. >> So, Emily accumulates updates and sends out the amended version >> whenever. >> Yeah. Whenever. >> Okay. >> And when that the date she sends them out, two weeks from there, it's final. that
>> if I don't get an email from her, I will put it on the agenda and we'll have to discuss it at our meeting just to make sure we're on top of this until it bottom >> line sent the minutes. Didn't >> No, I thought the last meet email had the minutes. >> No.
>> Oh, Chuck did attach the minutes to his um >> Oh, that's what it was. >> Since I appended my I see >> my site visit. Yes. >> Yep. >> Right. Yeah. Because I asked Chuck to include all of the minutes Emily had sent because she wasn't sure she had the
newest members email addresses. So you might not have gotten the original version. >> Two two left and a minute 45 seconds. >> This is going to be easy. Um so have a motion to to approve the minutes for July 9th.
>> I move to approve the minutes on July 9th. >> Walter Talbert seconds. >> Michelle in favor. Q in favor. >> Tobits in favor. >> Martha Moore in favor. >> Moore in favor. Minutes for July 23rd. Can I have a motion to approve that?
>> I move to approve the minutes for July 23rd. >> Walter Talbert seconds. >> All in favor in favor. >> Talberts in favor. >> Arthur Moore in favor. >> Rybo in favor. Can I have a motion to adjourn at 9:58?
I move to adjourn at 9:58. >> All in favor? >> Okay. Great. >> Great.