You just have to Yeah. And then we should be So they should be able to hear us. >> Yeah. >> Great. Uh >> can any remote participants hear us? >> Yeah. Shrog, are you there? Can you hear us? He says I can hear. >> Oh, great. All right. Sorry. I'll
disappear now. Have a great meeting. Take care. >> I'll look at this later. >> But this is the control. You want to unmute. Change the camera. So >> I can I can unmute. I can unmute. >> Yep, we can hear you now. >> Thank you. >> It's open or close.
>> Open. >> All right. So I think I have participants and our CC. So everyone's here. Okay. I think we're good. >> Hello everyone. This is Chuck Terrone, readings, conservation administrator.
This meeting is being conducted in person and remote format consistent with chapter 2 of the act of 2023 which further extends certain COVID 19 measures regarding remote participation in the public meetings until June 30th, 207.
Please note that all that not all items listed may act discussed and other items not listed may be brought up for discussion to the extent permitted by law. This agenda includes those matters which can reasonably be anticipated to
be discussed at tonight's meeting. Note that this meeting is being recorded. All materials for this meeting are available at the conservation division page on the town website under projects by year. Brian Bo, the commission chair, will
facilitate this meeting. Please note that there will be a public comment period for each hearing and each vote taken tonight will be conducted by a roll call. Uh, and Brian, can we um
start with the attendance and uh review the agenda, please? >> Okay, start with attendance. Chro, why don't you go first? >> Sure. Uh, Cherox, member present. >> Walter Walter Talbbert, member present.
Rick Bricko, member present. Yes. Michelle, member present. Joe Flurry, associate member present. Martha >> Martha Moore, vice chair present. Brian, chair present. Okay. Now, review the agenda, which should take 30 seconds. We
have no public hearings for tonight. So, we'll jump right into discussion items. There's a couple of those and move on to old no business. And that includes approving minutes. And we have one set of minutes to approve.
Okay. Um so then the first discussion item on here, item one is mater. Um, do you want to start with an update of where we are, Chuck?
>> Uh, well, I can go over the last night's select board meeting where everybody was there. So, >> yeah, town forest committee was there, trails committee was represented, and the conservation commission was there. Um, I had missed some part of the
meeting uh because it was on the agenda for 7:20. I think you started a little bit earlier than that and had that discussion going. Um it um it sounded like a positive
conversation where the select board understood uh the conundrum that the conservation commission and the town were in and uh they noted several times uh that they can't believe that um we can't get out
of our own way. And uh which to me I was I was happy. was happy at the whole uh conversation and it sounded like everyone was uh aiming to try to speed up um any of the repairs or any of
the discussions. So with that this morning um actually happened uh couple days before this but we had been reaching out to GAP about getting some uh numbers about how what things will cost and I think another
>> I think Gap is from >> GAP is the architectural firm that had done both the first and second review that was required by the building department because they're more of uh in the reviewing capac capacity rather than
searching things out and um boots on the ground situation. So they needed to the architectural firm to go in there and let them know what wasn't up to code. Um so they had put together two uh
documents and with that um there was no pricing. uh we weren't at a point where we needed pricing, but um just before this and the onset of the warrant, we wanted to at least bring up that conversation. So, I know that Andrew
McNichol had a conversation with the owner of the firm about everything that was on the list and some of what the uh commissioners, the building of commissioners have brought up. and we're asking now for a number from them and
hopefully we'll get that um for the warrant. And um >> don't we also need at the same time as a number an itemized list of what's included in the number? >> Yeah, I'm I'm generalizing a bit. Of course, we'll get an itemized list on
each one. I think that there's an opportunity for people to do different items that are on the list. There's the entrance way. There's the doorway. There's um a handicap entrance. There's railing issues. Um access issues to the
second floor. Second floor ballister issues. Um all these I mean it's a quaint little house. Um but you know it's not to code. And if anyone's driving past, they can't get in, they'll notice that the front um ballister and
and railing is wider than 4 in. And so that's against code. Um and um so anyways, that's one of the things that would be on someone's list to do. Now, some of these things are easy and a lot of people can do them that have even
minimal skills. And so the hope was that myself and some people from town, some volunteers, uh possibly even some of the volunteers that come in over the summer could get some of the light work done and the town
wouldn't have to take on that money or that responsibility. We do need the list. We need the itemized list. Getting back to your question, yes, we're hoping DPW will help also. There's some there's some uh pathway uh issues. not a lot, small section that could be
addressed by the DPW. And then with that with that itemized list, we would know the number we're looking for for the warrant and to get this place open. >> So I mean there in the early days was some some talk about different levels of
occupancy. My understanding that's now gone. what's being considered is getting at the 40 whatever code that is and that's the only consideration of them. >> Yeah, I think uh you could go for any level of occupancy you wanted but it
just keeps costing more and more money. I think some part of whatever the next level is may require an additional bathroom. So, we're not going that far. Uh but what can we get up to that point? And so, um, and there's also a waiver
where you could ask for a waiver for that second bathroom. So, there's there's more to it than just, >> you know, we need a second bathroom to get above a certain number. Uh, we could ask for a waiver. Um, and there was also a there's something in the regulations
about a building in use for over 10 years, some sort of grandfather clause. Uh, I don't know what happened to that. Uh, I don't know how to how to um site that source other than I remember it coming up in several conversations and
uh I don't think that's where we're going either. So, we're just moving forward with the repairs. >> So, overall was positive. I agree. It seemed like everybody was on board. Being on board is different than actually reporting positive one step at
a time. Um they are hoping to get it to town meeting >> I think is what they said. That's obviously close. So they're going to have to take their next steps pretty quickly. >> Yeah. Yeah. I think Jane was uh the
slight board had asked Jane to follow through with that and so um you know lots happened in town hall today and uh I think Jane was busy. I didn't see her once, but I know that this was request by the select board. >> Yeah. >> I don't know if you had arrived yet by
the time she said this, but Melissa Murphy early in the discussion suggested that we could put it on the warrant with a approve up to a certain dollar amount. Mhm. >> So, um that if that dollar amount was
generous enough to cover what Jane comes back with, it doesn't have to be all finalized in time to get it on the warrant as long as they, you know, come up with a number that seemed like it's going to cover it. >> I heard it say that I'm not sure that
actually helps us. Um it would depend on the list but I don't think the list um it have 20 things let's say and if you get 10 of them done then you're good to go. Uh without seeing the list we don't know
if all 20 things have to be done in order to satisfy code and so it may not be useful to have a halfway point. Don't know. >> Oh I don't think she meant it as a halfway point. I think she meant it as a not giving us cart blanch to spend $2
million on the house. >> But my point is suppose they picked I'll pick a low number on purpose 25. If we did a few things for 25 and we didn't satisfy it enough for all of the code may not still get to open it in which
case it's not really a win. >> You know it doesn't doesn't buy us a step towards the end. True. We'll have to see. Again it's all speculation. We're we're hoping not to be at that point because that GANAP will provide a list as you say itemized and we'll have
a number and they understand that we don't want to run out of money also. >> Yeah. >> So, it's likely that they're going to say a little bit higher than it's needed. um these, you know, what what I've seen from the list, and I explained most of it, um except for the town
building inspectors, they're they're pushing for a new ceiling in the in the garage. So, they uh unless it's tested and found out to be fire code. So, that may be on some list. I'm not sure if it's on the keyap list. Well,
>> they do need that. It's not actually used as a garage. It's just not on the vehicle. burst into flame. >> I think because they don't know if it's if it's fire code or not. I think that's what I was told.
>> So that because they don't have any documentations on >> True. I wonder if we could change the >> Is that how it works? Like if they're walking out of someone else's house. I'm not sure. I think this is just because it's a commercial building. >> Yeah. >> It's not what it's used for. It's what it's capable of.
So >> you could put a car in your living room, >> right? I know. But that's how it's that's how it's written. It's what it's capable of being. That's why you have to go to that extent. >> Just because you don't use it that way, it has to go to what it's capable of as
far as code goes. >> That's fine. >> Yeah, I understand that. >> I think that Yeah, I whatever. I mean, it may need a garage like 58 sheetrock on the garage ceiling. I'm not I'm not sure if that's
a that has to be on some list. And so, the whole idea is to get DNA get a list and then get the building inspectors and commissioners to agree with what's going to be done. And that that's the part that hasn't happened, right? And so no one I mean
like >> I'm telling you the whole list from what I know, but I don't know if other things are going to be added or there's going to be accommodations made or >> someone actually went over there. >> So the next step is not one that we take
which is Jane getting them going on and providing that list and that estimate. That's the next step. >> I think that's Andrew McNichol. I know that he's already talked to them. I didn't ask him about it today, but um I
know that there's a deadline for the warrant and >> but we're not involved. >> We're not involved. >> Well, you're not involved. So, >> look, this has been a staff >> only endeavor, >> right? >> Um they don't like us.
It's not that they don't like you, it's that >> it's just they're more nimble. >> I think for these things for that first step, uh we there was a lot of es and flows with this >> and you would have gotten seasick for
sure. >> Uh on what we thought we needed to do and that what we found out and we're not even sure >> where we're at. That's just >> completely honest. That was just expression that inferiority complex I actually don't have but that's okay. It
was a compliment. Oh, good. Great. Yeah, I think it was mentioned that uh I don't know what select board member mentioned it, but um they found it interesting maybe is the best word I can
think of that the building inspector that sent gave the permit 2009 was also one that you know closed the cabin. And I had talked to the building department a little bit today about that. And from what I heard, which and it wasn't the
building inspector I talked to, they said that there's no occupancy for what that permit involved. >> Okay. >> Which seemed like was pretty big renovation. And I said I had said exactly that, but they assured me that there wasn't an occupancy involved in
that. Um, so is there anything in your opinion we could should be doing while waiting for this to play out in the secret staff meetings? Uh yeah, I would I would say uh I think
that you could um after trying to figure out when the dates I mean I should follow up tomorrow and see where we're at and then you know it'd be good to hear from the chair or something you know sending it out to Jane just reassuring yourself that things are moving forward.
>> Okay, I can do that. Okay. >> I don't know if there's anything more to talk about there. >> I think so. Given how it's total speculation at this point, it seems like we'd be talking about circle few facts to
founded on anybody have any comments before we move on? Just one for the list of uh permitting um activities that would eventually go on the town warrant. Is there anything that is not necessarily associated with
granting the occupancy permit that also needs to be upgraded at Mata for ease of use or its current usage prior to it being closed? So effectively as that budget is being formulated, is there any improvements that would be needed that aren't necessarily tied
directly to should be considered? >> Yeah. Uh there's I mean it's an was it 1940 something the cabin was built. Um,
I think you could do more improvements every day of the week over there, but it was a building that was operating fine for what we used it for, you know, in September. And I think
other than a wish list of how to make it better by like room size and and things like that and a large refrigerator um you know maybe you know coat of paint stuff like that.
I don't think there's anything that's really needed. >> I think needed is the word. I can think of things that would be nice to have but >> yeah I think there's nice to have things not nothing needed. >> So just also remember that the building is being taken care of by facility. So
we won't be talking about plumbing, heating, lighting. Those are all issues that generally speaking >> of lighting. Did you get an answer to why the lights are on? No, I actually >> the outside lights >> didn't
>> I mean several times in the past few weeks when either I've gone by or my wife has gone by. It's the outside lights are all lit up and I don't know who started that. I don't know. Are they motion controlled and they go on for a while and go off? I don't know. I just
It's different to look over and see the bright lights of the city. I just would like to know if we're spending money on electricity that we don't have. >> I'll reach out to Joe Huggin tomorrow and ask them. >> Okay. So then moving on, the next item
is an update on the budget. Rick, do you want to kick that off? Well, so Joe Sherrock and myself and with the help of Chuck uh have been working on the budget for the 2027 and whether or not we want
this and I think it's Chuck highlights the importance with the summary that he gave us um of having a standalone operating budget and or going or adding it to an existing budget. He highlights a lot of this um
because the importance of preserving the thousand or so acres of of of land that the that the town owns um and ensuring that these assets remain protected for the long term. These are these are requests that the conservation makes
repeatedly to the select board. um nothing is guaranteed like the grants and um all the inind contributions from the BDPW volunteers. But at the end of the day, I think the question is, you know, with all the cuts
and the potential overrides that we're seeing, I listened to the CPA med meeting and they talked about timing. Timing and this whole world is about timing. um you know, is it the right time to go and and go to the go to the town for a
spring warrant or is it better to add this to an existing budget? I just don't know that process. Um and I'm trying to get a feel about how you guys think. I think when you look at the last three fiscal years, fiscal years for everybody
is July to the end of June. You know, we've gotten our $5,000 from the select board. you know, we we see the unpredictable earmarks from the state for the community garden expansion. You know, that made up for a majority of that annual income that the conservation
or the town received. Um, you know, so it it is there. It's not like we're asking for more. This is something that we've already been asking. We're just looking to formalize it in the budget, whether it's now or in the future. And I just don't know with the politics
today, that's departure. a lot of the timing issues that we're hearing, the cutting, the overrides. Is it the right time to take that step for the spring warrant or do we work with the town and try to add it to an existing line already in there and just have it
earmarked for conservation? >> Do you have any sense of which one would be more likely to be? So that is something that I think Andrew is going to come back to Chuck and Joe, myself and Sherack on what he thinks the best route to take is. Now I'm willing to
fight this thing and push this thing through all the way. >> So this reason I asked this past year we were somewhat guided towards trying to get a line item rather than going to town meeting
and by time we tried to change gears. it was too late. We missed the window. So, I just would like us to think about that now so we don't miss a window. >> Absolutely. And I think the next step for us, try and correct me if I'm wrong,
I had to get in front I had to get in front of the finance committee. >> Go next door. >> I know I was going to walk in. >> Yeah. >> And we and like we said, we have support from from what I know three of them from what Joe had told me. I can't confirm or
deny that. I haven't talked to the folks just with Joe. Um, but it is possible. Now, could that meeting Martha have spooked them? I don't know. Right. I don't know that answer. There seem to be some push back and you
know, do we want to protect ourselves right now and then approach it next year? It is a need >> step to keep the ball moving. >> I think right now we have to wait from Andrew. Andrew's reviewing it. They just did the summary today. They put that together
which was extremely helpful for myself. Andrew should be getting back to us. I'm putting the pressure on him. I'm telling him, you know, put this on the back burner. We want to keep moving this forward. >> Okay. What are you going to say? Yeah, I think that Andrew is going to
say the same thing he has been saying. Um, which is there's no room in the budget and it should if you know it the the town warrant or the town meeting seems
to be uh where they want to push you, but that's just because they're coming up on an override. I think your first statement, I don't know if it was last meeting or the the other meeting when you said you had like a percentage. What we're asking is >> it's so small
>> a tiny percentage of the overall budget >> and the the the the amount of land and the amount of responsibility the conservation commission has >> is and it's also been highlighted by what's happened to the material cabin because if we had a budget maybe in the
course of two years with $20,000 we could take care of this ourselves and do it in stages but we don't have a budget right trying to get there the you know the landscape we're asking and
for conservation is always it's not the right time. So I don't want >> I don't accept >> that myself. I I would say that if that's just that's just a starting point. I wrote down what I thought you
should do and um you know I don't know if Andrew is going to do more than we wanted to take that um that memo which actually I put together. Uh he wants to take it and give it to Jane and then she'll know about it but she can't stop
you from going to the to the finance committee. She can't stop you from talking to Joe Carneahan. Yeah. And what I want you to do is familiarize Joe with what we're trying to do here. And and you're asking the commission, we don't know either what what's the best route,
>> but I'm hoping this journey that you're taking by talking to Joe, by talking to other committees, by uh educating yourself on the process that it helps bring this thing forward and and helps you make a a good decision. I think it's
a budget item. I think I'd like to know what the what the finance committee thinks. This is obviously not a great like you wouldn't be in that meeting that's going on now because we've missed that deadline. But what's the date for the next deadline? What do they need us
to provide? How do we look the best moving forward? We need those dates. And I don't know when it's crucial to make a decision based probably based before the end of the warrant because we're either going to have our own water warrant article or we're going to be
part of another budget >> and both have to be approved at town meeting, >> right? >> And so um I I guess that's how I would approach it. I mean, the town definitely needs it. I got completely agree with agree with you long term. And if they they're cutting all these funds, they're
attacking the little departments over this. I mean, these are these are the risks and the safety concerns. They're going to compound over the long term. I completely agree. These are the town's forest. These are the town's boys. These are the town's trails. They should want to protect these long term, >> right? But everyone's budget wasn't cut.
>> Huh? >> Everyone's budget wasn't cut. There are budgets that increased. So, they all got the same word, cut your budget, but some didn't do it. And I'm not saying because they're special.
It's because they had a need that was agreed with. And we want to be in that position. >> Y >> and so that's what we're trying to do. >> I see you got your hand up. >> Yep. Uh uh Chuck, looking at at the memo, it almost seems like we're always
around the $40,000 mark. Does it even like does it make sense to I know money is tied always but does it 20,000 makes sense could we just go higher because it seems like we are what you need it or we will always rely
on some on on >> I think you they're relying on state air marks grants things like that >> right >> every on an annual basis I think they're they're still going to always go for those grants and those >> the town of the conservation >> conservation yeah
>> right But nothing's nothing's guaranteed, >> right? >> I mean, I mean, I'm Look, you guys are supposed to be driving the thing. That's fine. So, I don't want to come in and say do this, but I would agree with Chuck that it seems like the line item
in the budget is not the most likely path. And if that's true, need decide soon so we can get prepared before we get into a town meeting. Yeah, I'm not sure which one would be
better. I I think from what Jill Flurry is saying there, you know, with and I'm just kind of extrapolating from the material cabin. You know, the select board seemed to
understand the need for these improvements and the predicament we were in. Maybe this is helpful to us to say, you know, we need to be we need to have a budget so we can kind of take care of
other items from >> I mean in the meeting last night certainly there's an appetite there at least with words for getting the terror fixed up and and open again. Have you heard something about conservation needs
at all? I I have it. I just putting two and two together. >> I mean, that would be a great conversation. I don't know. Melissa, I haven't had a sit down with her since she became a liaison. I'm not
sure when the next election is and we have new select board members, but she will at least be our liaison up until that point and maybe you still stay on for another year. Um, >> the new election is this spring, >> April.
So, I could >> She's on for another year, >> but she may not be our >> I know that other people talked to select board members here. Has anyone else had a conversation with uh any
select board member about the budget? >> Yeah. So maybe I'll just I'll reach out and I'll I'll ask if we could just sit down. Maybe she wants to talk to about a couple things. Material cabin and the budget and other things. >> So So we're not getting each other's
way. So, do you want to uh reach out to Melissa or reach out to Jane? Just so both not hitting the same people. >> Yeah. I mean, Jane's gonna Yeah, sure.
>> conversation. I'm not looking for a definitive answer or anything. I just want to have the conversation. >> Yeah. I think Jane's part of the process through Andrew and um where Andrew is going to deliver
our request to be part of the budget. >> Okay. >> To Jane. >> So that this I'm fully aware that this is recorded and others may hear it. Um staff needs to work through Hindu because that's your chain of command.
I'm not staff. that's been shown with not being involved in conversation on the terror. So I'm not constrained by following a chain of command so I can go where I think might be a useful conversation. >> Yeah. I guess what we disagree on is I
don't think it's useful at this point because she's not ready to make a decision. We don't have information for her. Plus, we're down one town manager and she's probably busy. So take that into consideration. So,
>> it's a quick meeting for hours. >> I'm not gonna stop you. >> I know. Okay, you're good. Go ahead. >> Maybe I don't get it. Fine, but see makes sense, I think, to talk about it because last year we didn't talk enough early enough and got nothing. Well, not
nothing, but we didn't get where we wanted to go. >> Do we have a do we have a date where the town board closes for no spring? >> I think it's March 10th. I was going to say because they're discussing it openly in the select board meetings. They were discussing it last night. So that's
>> so March 10th would be what if that's the date? That's the date by which you have to have put in your request. >> No, I believe that's when they're finalizing >> date the select board is supposed to finalize the warrant. Now they do often open it up and then close it again, but
that's what CPA was told I believe is that March 10th is the date we need to >> get on to the warrant. So, does that say that we have missed the window again? >> I don't know. >> I think that would be a takeway back to June. >> I think it's not. Yeah. March 10th.
>> It's two weeks, >> but that's they're closing it. And I don't know what the process is to get something to be considered to be on it when they close it. >> Now, you're not going to get on the April town meeting. It's have to go to all the committees, get their approval
and support and then finally show up at the you know the finance committee select board and then get on to the >> So, you know what I would love to see from you folks in your copious spare time that kind of information? What is the
list of things that has to be done ideally in a step by step but even what is it? So Chuck just said we have to go to the other committees and and get their agreement or whatever. >> Well, it's the it's the tracks CPA did. Same thing.
>> Okay. And that hasn't succeeded yet. >> Um >> but they went to all the committees. >> We presented to the select, >> right? Okay. But >> what committees did you have to go to? >> Well, they went to us. >> Like I I thought it went to finance and then I thought my thought process was finance and then select board. But I
mean there's more than just those committees that you have to go to. >> Yeah, I would I would try to go to one of the permanent building committee meetings. Maybe they would like to see that you have uh you know the desire to maintain the cabin. Maybe you could get
their support. They don't really >> Okay. So everything just said I like except for the fact you use words like maybe or this. So, can we come up with the game plan that we need to talk to XYZ and we need to then do this, we need
to do this so we can have something we're executing against because if we don't have a plan to execute against, you're just doing stuff and you don't know how well you're doing, right? Because you have you have no plan. Plans can shift. But I always say plans are
useless. Planning is most essential thing. There you go. So, we'll make a plan knowing we're going to have to modify it, but at least it gets some path in front of us as opposed to maybe. I like everything else you said, I don't
like maybe. Yeah. I mean, what I expected of the committee is to give the conservation commission information um not kind of in the opposite direction. So, I don't know how these
things work. Um, but I'm learning. And, uh, you know, it seems to me that you should I mean, the dates are important. I think that was mentioned in at least two emails. >> Yeah. >> And we still don't have the dates. So, I
mean, that would if that if I needed to do that for you guys, >> where would we get them? >> You could just ask me. >> Joe Kahan. >> Yeah. But I don't think I feel like I don't know if it's Joe Cahan, it could be Andrew, like you know, it could be anyone that >> he didn't really list the dates for us when we asked him. When we met with Joe
at the coffee shop, he didn't really list the dates. He just basically said, "You have to meet with the finance committee and so he didn't mention any of the other stuff." >> So he had the list of people you wanted to meet with. So was it just the finance committee or did he say others?
>> Never mentioned that. I think at this point the only one you have time for is finance committee. >> They're not going to make it on this meeting. It's what what the plan should be is kind of get mobilized now. Get as
much information as you can. Joe's probably not going to have time to get them on a finance committee meeting until after, you know, Springtown meeting and then they start. You got to know the dates and all that. So, you're
not I don't think they're gonna get in on this one. >> I I agree. What I worry about is if we wait until Joe has time without doing the groundwork. >> Yeah. I think you're just expanding that well beyond the meeting. You know, it's
they're in the middle of the people that came to them in September. >> I get that. >> And so, we need to be on that list for fall town meeting. >> Yeah. >> But the dates are needed. >> Okay. If we wanted to get on spring trial
meeting as a separate warrant article, we still have time to do that. >> I don't see it. >> Okay. >> I mean, from what I heard with Mater numbers had to be put together like this morning. So, I don't know how that's happening. Like I said, I didn't talk to
Jane, but I would assume tomorrow is pretty close. If the select board needs to decide something at their, you know, March 10th meeting, they get their packet a week before. Needs to be finalized. Everything needs to be
reviewed by town council. >> Yeah, we're backing up, backing up, backing up. >> Yeah, that's the plan I'm thinking. So then then we should be putting together a plan with the idea of absolutely being in there for
>> Yeah, I think Joe would would be helpful. I know that Andrew would be helpful, too. Chris Cole, same thing. He does budgets every single year. Um, >> Tom Forest just went through it for last fall. So we can reach out to Town Forest. Town Forest. Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> But yeah, >> we have some contacts there I can reach out to their process. >> So could you set up a meeting with them for us with with t force to kind of get understand how it works? >> I'll just have a call with them. I don't think we need to have a meeting but that's fine.
>> Yeah, Jeff is always >> okay. Let's move on. The next item is actually that's it for this discussion items. Now we're moving on to old new business. And the first item
there is a tree policy post changes. Can you bring that up? >> Think I think this is going to work. >> I did get a response from Jer but not from others. Have people read it?
I did. >> I thought from my perspective, I thought it was consistent with what I experienced and went through. >> I was okay with it. >> Wait a minute. >> Sorry. Yeah.
I >> No, it's fine. >> Two screens. Home screen and uh and Zoom. >> Okay. Um I don't believe there were any subtractions
uh just additions changes and those are marked in yellow. So if we can go through them quickly the first paragraph um is it was trying to specify more clearly that it's four live trees. Uh it
does mention that dead trees are not included in that count. Later on, I put down something to give us criteria for determining a dead tree as opposed to just ain't got no branches. Um,
and it differentiates between single family homeowner and commercial, which covers some of the issues that we've been see dealing with. Um, anybody have any thoughts, comments, questions on that paragraph?
as is. >> Then the next paragraph, the yellow places, um, some of them were just clean up typos that were in there from before. Um, so
I think we wanted to change the name of the fund to say Readings Conservation Commission Fund and it just says Readings Conservation Fund. Is that the name you want to use, Chuck? >> Yeah. >> What is it?
>> Well, it's that Yeah, I did send it out in an email. >> Yeah. And I thought that's what I put in here. That's why >> is that in replace of the shade tree fund? >> Absolutely. >> That's that's income for us. >> But we did. >> Yeah.
>> It's a tool for us. tool for nobody. >> It's not kind of are you treat rental >> specific. >> That's right. >> It's um town council explained it because the money is coming in
because of trees. It has to be spent on trees. So evaluation, planting um amending soil for trees, trimming, things like that. anything tree related, >> shrubs, plantings, policy is always covered trees and shrubs.
>> Um, I just want to back up for a second. Single family homeowner. It seems like it should have a dash between single and family. >> You need the term single family. It can't just be home. because we're we're not allowing
four apartments in one condo building to meet the same standard. >> Yeah. Example that we just dealt with. >> Circle. >> Uh I'm making the changes here so you don't have to.
>> Good. >> Okay. Um so did you find the name of of the fund? I think this is what you wrote. But >> yeah, so it's the conservation commission. >> Is it really? >> And is it readings already?
>> No, it's the conservation commission fund. >> I don't see any changes. Oh, because you're doing in that and we're not seeing the changes up there. Oh, dear. I can do them up here.
Okay. So then make the same change. >> So after voluntary it should say conservation commission. >> Yeah, I did that one just now. Okay. Moving down then under item two
replacement three. Um, that was just a a misspelling. So, I figured voluntary $5,000 and I can't do it. >> Interesting point. Um
um >> the minimum and maximum is as related to the trees. If they take down five four trees, they still only have to pay $500. >> What's the term voluntary?
>> I don't think it is voluntary. >> It wasn't voluntary. must have been that must have been. >> No, no, we have to leave that in. I remember that from because it was volatile this >> so that voluntary needs to stay in there. >> Okay. But grammatically,
>> okay, >> what's it saying? >> Well, that's >> okay. So, it needs to say >> Well, it's voluntary because your other option is to plant that many trees. >> No, no, I I get it. The the problem is
um the is part of the name of the of the fund and so it says voluntary then the funding which includes a the so it's grammatically correct but awkward um >> how about voluntary contributions to the
>> yeah exactly >> about a voluntary contribution >> no because it it needs to be plural because of the minimum maximum. >> Yeah. Okay. And moving down planting
that was a misspelling and the date which is today's date tree determination which is section. So I wanted to make it clear that these are some things we can use as criteria to judge. They don't all have to be
there. There can be another one. If we looked and we saw, I don't know, roots that the trunk was moving and there was loose soil around the roots for example, we can say there's an issue. Um, but this is just something to help us and to
help homeowners to understand what it is we consider. There was more I could have written. Go online and there's some really detailed descriptions I wasn't going into. So, having said all that, do anybody have
any questions, comments? Can you go back up? The word caliber was in a sense somewhere. right there. Okay. What are you measuring? What is that kind of diameter?
>> Oh, so DBH. >> Yeah, that Well, to me, caliper means you're taking a caliper measuring something, but a DBH is a different measurement. >> You're using the caliper to calculate a DBH. >> No, I get you. That's the way I was. and
I knew what it meant. So, it didn't didn't catch my eye. >> So, smaller trees, younger trees, they use caliper because you can't really get a DVH on them. And so, um those one two three inch caliper, you're going
to get a DVH on something like a 6 inch tree if you wanted to. So I think that's why we have caliper and I don't know if it says deviation here anywhere >> it does right there but
>> so the caliper is measuring diameter >> diameter and breast height. >> Okay, going back to the section on dead trees. Any comments, questions, changes? and and that's how we note what trees we're
we're talking about. So 6 inch or greater DBH. And so what's some of the confusion that's been happening and I'm not sure if Brian was able to clear this up is people are thinking that everything under doesn't count and they can just take it away. So I have six big trees so
I'm going to get I'm going to or four big trees. I'm going to take those out. But as part of that work, but I don't have to tell the conservation commission about because they didn't mention it in this is my guy is going to take all the shrubs and smaller trees out too because this only says six centers and up.
>> So I wanted to capture the fact that that's not allowed. That's not we're not giving permission for that. >> And where do you say that they're not allowed to do that? >> Well, this is one of the updates we needed to do based on my years of hearing from people.
>> Yeah. So, have we put that in here? Because I think we should. >> I agree. You know, >> so there some it shouldn't be in dead tree determination, but it should be someplace else. Um, >> think
shrub policy section 7.1 maybe. >> There it is. Item two, I think is where it should go. A tree six inches or greater in caliber that it's cut.
Okay, that's the next. How about five? apply this policy consistent with the need to protect the integrity of the zone of ma natural vegetation. >> I don't think that makes it clear that. >> Right. So, we need another sentence in
that section. >> Well, look at item two first. No, maybe three. If any tree within the buffer zone of resource area cut down without leaving a snag, tree shall be replaced with a new plantings. That may
be the place to specify. Um, where do we say 6 in caliber in the first place? >> It was >> section two. >> Yeah, it was up here somewhere. >> Section two. What do you mean? The
standard replacement. >> Number two, a tree 6 in or greater that is cut blah blah blah. >> Yeah, but that's that's talking about snap. Okay. >> I don't know where you're at. >> Um, go up a little bit
>> or >> or my face. >> Um, so that's that little number two item is talking about snags. So, it's not talking about uh regulating cutting
trees in general. >> So, maybe we need item six. And item six specifically says permission to cut up to four trees does not include permission to clear cut the shrub layer.
>> Right. So, I will say that in the section up above where we made the changes, it says up to four live trees. It doesn't say. So, it's four trees period. It doesn't hurt to
>> accentuate that down here, but already up above it gives us something to point to and said and say there's nothing six in >> true. >> Yeah, it's it's too weak to final
answer. Well, so >> if we don't say anywhere that 6 in is a magic number, then it's not in here for somebody to point to and to say, but the policy says
six inches, right? Why don't we uh keep going with what you've corrected and just come back with the additions that need to be >> the next next >> I think it's it's an important point
that we want to pick up especially since >> we've had some issues with that. >> Yeah. >> I mean even just quite simply as one of our past commissioners used to say just put it in plain language. This does not include
anything else. Shrubs, underbrush, wholesale clearing. You're given permission for the trees only to remove. I don't know. But you can also, if it is coming up, it has to be addressed. I
don't know how it's going to get wor. >> That's a good point. I mean some of and some of these other things uh down here like the dead tree determination my determination is if if I walk out there and the tree is missing bark
that's dead and so I was very uh adamant about that most people had trees that were alive what you're you're giving this explanation and you're saying discolored leaves I don't want to
get into arguments with people. I would like it to be more cut and dry um than somebody. >> I started out with less and then I added more because I didn't want it to point to one
thing, the three bar condition, and have people objecting that it's not um flexible enough. It doesn't cover all all more conditions than all the conditions. Yeah, >> I include but not limited to
>> No, we don't want to do that. >> Yeah, it's So, I'm not really dealing with homeowners either. I'm dealing with tree companies and they're not, you know, they're not going to back down. >> I think they would disagree with this character. >> I think it's too much. I mean I so
miscolored leaves missing or discolored leaves. So that could that could talk about so if a tree has crown decay >> or a leader is dead and
that's for me that's that's not dead that's going to die >> which is why I say maybe dead or dying. What I'm trying I'm trying to say are these are signs of a tree in bad shape
or already dead. And what it does, it allows us to say here's an issue or it is it will die to have that conversation. I think if we just ignore other signs of tree problems, I think
we're opening up for different arguments. If if all we do is point to tree bark, I'm just afraid it comes across as simplistic. >> It should be. We want every tree replaced. We don't want tr people to say
there's some some issues and you have to look hard to find them and the and we're losing leaves up top or you know some of these branches are brittle. It's we still want a replacement. So in in my opinion and how why we wrote
this is because they're not h they don't have to come in for an RDA. Okay. So without this policy, they would have to go to an RDA to get this through. So it's a break in the first place and we're just saying these are the things that you need. So,
>> so I could change it to say primarily we consider pre-bar condition and that way it allows us to acknowledge there are other signs and indicators but the primary one that we look at is treatment
>> and just delete all >> I don't look at anything else >> that would be primarily that >> and and I don't want someone like one of the smart guys in reading you know they're all smart I I want them to understand it's my call on a tree that's
dead. Otherwise, they have to do one of the >> okay, >> one of the uh replace, leave a snag, pay into the fund. >> Okay, >> so take out >> or call me when the tree is actually conditioned
>> and say the conservation administrator will determine that a tree is dead by looking at tree bark condition. and then just do that one paragraph. >> And what's tough is some people read it, they feel like they understand it, and
that's when the argument happens. I don't I don't want to be there during these arguments. It's not a place separated by a common language. >> Yeah. >> Church. >> So, are you okay with my suggestion? >> Oh, you think the first paragraph goes to just it's conservation
as the final decision. >> Yeah. But Brian, uh, Chuck is saying that he makes his decision based on looking at the tree bark condition. >> And there's a there's a number of trees like that. We just went up to one where they were counting a completely dead
barkless pine tree. And that was very obvious. And so it's not as unusual as you think that to have someone come up with they'll call in they'll have five trees and I'll talk about each tree. you
know, significant damage is also a problem like if it's going to fall down soon or if it's a danger, but that's hard to have in there because but and that takes place during the, you know,
the discussion be out at the site or on the phone. But I don't know. I think if you give the list, you're asking the homeowner to make the decision rather than you make the decision.
>> Yeah, it's true. But what what happens when the homeowner is sure he got it right? >> You'll get it'll set them straight. I'm sure. >> Well, it's funny if they know. >> That's where I didn't want to be. >> Just in my experience. I mean, I sent the pictures to Chuck. He had damage, insect damage. I said, "What do you
think about these?" And I sent him all the pictures and said, "Those are all dead." >> So I went, "Why?" Exactly what he said. >> But you didn't have to look at a list to know that they were dead. >> Well, I had to have >> his approval. I understand >> to make sure.
>> You just knew that. >> Hey, this is >> looking at it. Yeah, they're going to fall over eventually. >> Well, maybe we could do that >> when did I have an extreme example, but if there are any questions, please take a picture of what you're concerned about and send
it to you know, conservation office. I mean, that's what where I want to get to, you know, because we don't want to have problem trees out there. But this wasn't this was more about replanting than it was allowing the tree to come down, >> right?
And so, we don't want to at the end of the day, I would rather have more trees replanted than what I would call a dead tree. And I'm drawing the line that I want I would want it to be either dead or significantly impaired and trees that
like an asht tree. We'll get ash trees and they're still alive. And is that going to die in the next year or the next three years? I'm not sure. But it is an asht tree >> and it's all full of emerald ashbor. >> Yeah. So it's definitely going to die.
I'm not sure when unless they treat it. So, but if it isn't dead yet, then they need to plant a replacement tree when they want to take it down dying ash tree. >> So, >> or pain if you don't want to, >> right? >> Yeah.
>> I mean, everything stands on its own. I mean, I go out there that ashtree that looks alive could have five or 10 next to it that are completely dead. So, you're not going to let this one go for another three years. You know, it's going to turn quickly. So if but
generally speaking can't be a list of of items. Um it just doesn't seem helpful enough to say you think you have a dead tree go ask Chuck.
I don't know how often that would happen. I don't know if you're biting up more than you want to chew. Um, are you going to get 50 five? I don't know. Um, well, I know that what I said I I can
repeat it. It's it's not a great position to be in when someone has a lot of options and they believe they qualify. >> Yeah. >> It's tough. >> So, what do you think the trigger is to
make them call you or send a picture? What's going to make them wonder in the first place? >> Most people I'm going to ask. I'm just going to do it. So you know this was >> they're not going to ask you know or they'll ask the tree company
but most people are just going to have it done is >> we're trying to avoid >> right in general I mean I know better because most people are just going to have it done they're not going to know conditioner
may send a photo question to ask for determination it doesn't get into any of the >> Yeah, plus we're not going to finalize this tonight. So, we can all look at it uh between meetings. We have to add some
other stuff. I mean, I think that's a good placeholder. I'm not sure I would phrase it that way. treebot condition I'm not sure is very uh I don't know consummation specific treebot condition visual
I don't know we'll come up with something that works >> so I will leave this modified text in here all right so I've made a few other changes it sounds like there going to be another round >> are we down to hazard trees
Oh >> yeah, we are. I didn't make any change. >> So hazard tree could also I mean I think that was the original dead tree hazard trees.
>> Yeah. Although in my time on it, it's been more trees leaning. There are ones where you have insect activity that we want to make it clear that dead trees are
incorporated into the hazard tree section. Add some text there. What does it say about hazard trees? When one or two trees become a imminent hazard? I don't even know why it says or two.
>> Yeah, I'm surprised you're right. >> The key thing here is provide a letter from a qualified professional stating that the tree poses an immediate hazard. >> Yeah. So they're talking about So this was
written for the house the tree that's leaning towards the house um which comes in all the time. Someone someone's tree in the neighborhood fell down. Everyone's calling. I have a hazard tree. So to try to get
that into an area where you can actually determine what's a has and what's not, we ask for um you know a professional to come out and make a determination and at that point we could look. >> So that section doesn't require changing
then. >> Well, it could you could add a dead tree to it. I'm not saying this is what you're going to do, but you could, you know, a hazard tree, a dead tree that has that's barkless is also a hazard. >> Well, I do think we should take out one
or two trees. >> Mhm. >> And it should just be trees. Does the hazardous tree protocol apply to trees other than in our jurisdiction? >> No. All trees under this policy are within
our jurisdiction. >> Um, and it says right below that resource area or within 100 ft. So in a wetland or within in the buffer zone within the 200 foot riverfront. >> So in my house if I have a hazardous
tree, it doesn't apply. >> Right. Yeah. as you make your hunt. >> And that comes up a lot. Someone want a lot of work done on the property, but only two or three trees are within the buffer zone. >> Um, they're taking 10 down.
>> I found out why it says one or two trees up above because the last sentence is for three or more trees, you have to follow the state and town regulations or emergency certification procedure. not as
>> same paragraph last sentence not really. So if three trees were a hazard emergency certification, what I've been
doing is so these trees are a hazard. You usually get called by the tree company and like I said out on site, you know, we've gotten to a point where I pretty much know all everyone who's calling now and they're saying this is a
hazard. I'm kind of falling back on take the trees down, but have the homeowner fill out u the form just so we have a record of it. So that's no emergency permit. So that's still under four.
I know it says three or more, but hazard trees, if there were 10 hazard trees, it would all come down. >> And would they have to replant some and or pay into the tree fund? >> Yeah. >> So, if it's a hazard tree, it's a freebie.
>> Yeah. And and obviously with something like that, what I've been doing, because you two are very available, you've been called out to say, "Hey, you know, this site, they want 10 trees down. They're all supposed to be hazards. Let's go and check it out." And so that's what's
happened. But if I had a group that was working and didn't have time during the day, I can't have hazard trees that's been called out by a professional. And I and I agree with you know sitting
out there. >> Okay. >> So do we want to bother having a distinction about three or more trees versus one or two trees? Is that worthwhile? I mean we you know we could simplify
this and say uh for hazard for hazard tree call um and you want to pick a number you can say for more than x trees the emergency protocol would have to be followed but
you said you're going to just do a administrative approval for hazard trees >> if we just take out the emergency certification procedure and the state town regulations. I don't think that we're doing that
anymore unless you direct me to do that and you would be by leaving it in there, >> right? >> I just think it's kind of cumbersome for what's happening. >> But even here it says u you need
It's a bit an application that we file the commission over the commission comm that implies going to the commission every time and it's not especially for small numbers. >> Yeah, we're only going to the commission over four. And the other reason why we
go to the commission is if it's within 25 ft of within that 25 foot area, if it's close to a bank. though it's also holding up the bank, you know. So then
the hope is the commission would say you can take the tree down, but you got to stabilize the bank with some other planting or you can't take the roots out. >> So, but I don't want to try and put that kind of detail into here. It almost
feels like it should be for fewer than four trees. contact the conservation administrator in a situation with more than four trees. It would have to go to the commission via this process. >> But it would it would still go through
chapo for four more trees. So like that determination of that path would >> Well, I think I think what we would be saying if we went along with that is to say for more it would go through Chuck, but he would take it to the commission. >> Correct. where we would talk about
whether it's a simple tree removal, does it need to be an RDA or something else? >> But is that worth having that distinction? We want to handle all trees the same. >> Oh, no. Uh, so the point of that isn't that I'm doing two separate trips to the
commission. If someone has trees on the bank that like let's say they've taken four trees on the bank down, you know, an important resource area, then I would say you don't qualify for the tree policy. You have to go and get
an RDA for this because and I that clause I wanted in here somewhere. But >> okay, but but frankly, if there was one tree on a bank, you best take it down. You still would want to go to
>> That's case by case, but >> it's hard to write down. >> It's still a tough spot to take a tree down. I mean, >> you do that, there's consequences, right? >> So, I have said that to a few people that um
this I'm I'm not comfortable. I feel like the commission should look at this and uh get an opinion. You can put in an RDA or come to the meeting and talk to talk to them about it. >> So why don't I change it to say >> at the discretion
>> or hazard tree ordered whatever to the administrator. Um, in some cases, depending on environmental wetland
consequences, it will then bring it to the commission. So, you're you're always a first step. In some cases, you may decide to take it to the commission. >> Yeah. I mean, it sounds like you're going to be updating a lot and maybe
you're going to have to send it out to the commission. send it out again. >> Uh, Ivony for the dead tree determination. No, that stuff. >> Yeah, >> I just want to make sure you understand what I'm trying to write before I say good. I'll write it up. I
>> I think there's a It's hard to think about where we want to put things. I also thought when you were saying that maybe uh that no matter where people stand to have whether they have four trees or less or tree on the bank or
some of them are dead, it's always up to the conservation administrator whether this is a tree policy or you have to get an RTA that would take care of the trees on the back. >> I would be fine with that. basically saying it's in the administrator's
um it's up to the administrator's discretion to either deter determine itself or bring the commission and just let it go with that without getting into in this case or that case possibly with this. You basically use your judgment
and in some cases you would bring it downstairs, upstairs, whatever. and others you would say okay do this and at least in my experience what happens is even when you do that for the most part you tell us this came up seems
straightforward so I said this this came up doesn't seem straightforward you get out to look at it >> right >> plus we've been doing a lot of these so kind of get a feeling of what's been approved >> the only thing I worry about at all is that a lot of this is predicated on you
as the administrator here. I don't think it works from the biological perspective. Count on you being here forever. >> So, >> you can update it at that point, but I'm This is not heavy lifting for anyone who has this position. They would need to
get a hold of you. >> Okay? >> And what you're going to get the next person that gets here, >> they're not going to want to talk to you at all. They're going to be dictating. That's my opinion about my uh you know other people in my zone here. They don't
they especially a lot of them new group they're going to be telling you what to do for sure. >> That's okay. >> They just >> they can try. I mean you just ensured your life expectancy. >> I I I want to I think we've gotten to a
comfortable area and uh >> Okay. So, I have some marching orders so I can take a whack at hazard tree and wherever I end up, I'll send it back out again to everybody. Please read it. Don't rely on Chuck's intuition because >> Oh, I know what you're going to get. Here's what the next administrator's
going to say. This doesn't comply with the Wellness Protection Act. It's no there's no carve out for tree policy. Everything's an RDA. >> Yeah, I can see. >> Yeah. And we would deal with that if that happened. >> So, can we move on? I think Brian's
wishing me out out of out of my >> No, I think there's a very good chance years from now. >> Good chance you're gonna last you longer than I do. But anyway, >> okay, so moving on. I'm not sure how to take that. Anyway,
I'm talking about me. >> Fine, I'll accept that. Um, then the next item, again, I'll make it. >> Sorry. Next item is conservation staff DPW. Anything you want to tell us? >> Uh I um
so I didn't I didn't prepare anything, but I I've been working with Mike Hman to put together um three projects, three projects that are pretty good. The water line at um at uh Grove Street slot five to people that were here from the beginning. It's a parking lot for the
town forest. And with that, I want to do a planting. The planting is approximately $2,000 worth of worth of trees and shrubs. I've already got permission from Natural Heritage, Mistyanne Merrill up there. Um, so
that's that's all set um about the permission for the planting. DPW still is looking at which one they're saying. Yeah. So the point of the water line from our perspective is it gives us a way to water these plantings which has been the difficulty for whatever two
years now since you and Carl came up with >> we have a plan. We don't have any water. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Back to you. >> Next plan. Next one is um a little bit tougher. I'll start with the other one first. So at Sturgeis Park, this is
where the conservation commission put in a trail along an access path along Sturgis Brook. Um, it's South Street at one end, Sturgeis Pock in between, and Hemlock on the other side. About halfway up,
there's been a bridge proposed um in this area where there's a um a dam or whatever they call that, a weir. >> We Yeah, a weir. And it's pretty much in
that area. It's about 16 foot long, six foot wide. We have plans and everything for this. Um hoping I can get the trails committee to take that on as one of their projects. We're coming up on a meeting with the trails committee, but my ask was for the
DPW to dig the four footings or the 12 to 16 inch sauna tubes that we need on both sides of the bank to get this going. So that was a second of the three asks. The third ask was the same spot
over by Hemlock. Um there's some erosion happening on the bank when the rain uh is coming and there's like a culvert there. It's like a 48 inch wide culvert.
And when that thing fills up and if you look at the bank, you can see that there's like a plateau where it usually runs lower in the bank area. But when these high volumes come through, the velocity
builds up. It starts stacking. It's taking out a shelf. And that's kind of a foot above what's happening uh normally. But in these rainstorms, we're losing a lot of sediment and bank down the stream. So I came up with a plan with
Mike Gman to uh put in a small a small section of culvert in that area which will protect the bank, straighten the stream out and um direct the flow down the center of
the stream rather than towards the bank. And with that um the commission uh you know then then they're going to fill it in on either side and with that um it gives an opportunity I think this is
because I'm with uh less on to the trails committee also it gives a good opportunity for the trails committee to also try to think of if they can work out a way to to use that cover it to get to the other side of Sturgisbrook and
back Yeah, maybe a loop a loop thing. So, that's kind of the long-term plan, but the short-term plan is I've asked the DPW to help me correct some bank erosion. So, those are the three big projects. That last one is the one I'm
most excited about because it does the most protection and it has the most benefit. Uh, I'd like to see the bridge also. And out of those three, I think the third one, the water line is it's a good project, but
I was more excited when we first did the parking lot. Uh, but it would be nice to have some planting. And it's two years of watering for whoever is volunteering to do the watering. Two years. >> See who lives near there? Who's nearest?
>> I don't know who's nearest. Is it really? >> Yeah, son passed away. >> Are you Yeah. >> Thank you. >> I didn't say anything. >> Yeah. All right, everybody raise your hand if uh Walter is going to water the
plants for the next two years. >> All right. Well, we'll keep you in mind. I'm not sure if the project's going forward. I mean, they're all >> across that bridge. a hose. >> That's they're going to put the water line. >> So, you know, the good thing about that project is they're going to put the
water line or the the valve in a box in the ground that's lockable and it's going to be large enough to keep a section of hose in and you're not doing anything other than walking like 20 feet in one direction spraying water on the
side of a hill. Well, he may be dodging cars, pulling them into the parking lot. >> Yeah, you could start a car wash business on the side. Make yourself some Yeah, I'm looking forward to that >> if that was the case. So, I don't know if that's I mean, and then, you know, longterm again on that one. Not not my
plan. Not something I'm going to propose, but now we have a water line up there. It's a great location for another It's probably the better location for a dogy watering fountain >> and a water fountain for people too. >> Combination.
>> There you go. Yeah. >> Yeah. I don't know how that's I don't know if there's a grant for such a thing. >> You know any people who live on like Family Circle and that part of Grove Street that they would be really good candidates to help us. >> Enough of that.
>> Okay. So enough. And that's your three things for the >> Yeah, I have one more week to come up with some other ones. So, if something comes to your mind, just send it along. Uh there's some small stuff I'm asking for, but still with the big projects. >> Okay. The next thing is violation
notices. No changes. No administrative report. I assume between material and just said >> I just want to let you know that I do I have uh gotten very close to about 80% done the survey of the towns and that we'll be reviewing our fees also at the
next meeting. >> Okay. And then that brings us to minutes for approval. The only one I think we can approve is the first one to 8th. Yeah, this came out recently. >> Can I have a motion to approve the
minutes for October 8th? I move to approve the minutes for October 8th as amended. >> I second. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. >> I second uh and um vote in favor. Cherox
in favor. >> Rick in favor. >> Michelle in favor. >> Martha Moore in favor. >> Ryan Brown in favor. >> Sorry, I was waiting for Joe. >> I know. I'm always waiting for touch.
>> Okay. Uh and that is it. >> I move to adjourn at 8:29. >> Second. >> All right. >> All in favor raise your hands. Okay. Good. Good night. Get out of here. >> Okay. Bye.
>> All right. See you. >> I look up and see which one Sturgis Park was too. Sturgeis.