e e e e yeah sorry what yeah raise your hand if you bring my y you see you in person do exist all right here we go hello
everyone this is CHF ton ready conservation administrator this meeting is being conducted in person and remote format cons the act of 203 further extend the 19 measures regarding participation public until
March 31st 2025 not that not all items listed may be in fact discussed and other items not listed discussion exemp permitted by law this agenda includes those matters
which can reasonably be anticipated uh to be discussed at this meeting please note that this meeting is Ed right now recording in
progress and uh Brian Bo conservation chair will facilitate this meeting we F that there will be a public comment period at the end of each hearing each vote taken during tonight's meeting will be conducted by roll call again with a roll call attendance Brian can you
please review the agenda and put the Roll Call attendance yes uh okay I'll riew the agenda first um we are starting with continuation of a public hearing on no intent uh followed by DPW that'll be
followed by opening a public hearing on an RDA for 5:32 Street then moving on to a continuation of a public hearing on no of intent followed by the MBTA zero bind street that is it for hearings tonight
and then we have some some old new business which we will get to that includes one conversation on enforcement order and then we have the usual discussion items usual we have a tree policy update
conversation uh conservation DPW monthly meeting administrative report and then some minutes to it having said that you see we have a quorum call it to order at 702 uh this is the order that we will
vote in um Tony Tony V lock this member present Walter Walter tal member present the Michelle member presid Martha Martha Mo uh Vice chair president chair
president okay so moving on to our first one is Zer Stout ad you want to give us some updates you need anything presented just first introduce yourself for the the meeting your title and
sure uh my name is Michael kesman I'm the assistant uh DPW director here with the town of reading so our last meeting um we decided we were going to continue this here um you had a couple of requests I
believe from us um one was that we would delineate the project Zone um I have a memo here that Chris wrote so just read the
memo um have the memo yeah I guess you might as well is it long no good yeah we want to read it for us sure um so as a continuance from the commission's last meeting on February 12th the Department of Public Works asks
that the commission consider the following points regarding placement of the water fountain located at the end of scout F Public Works proposes to install a layer of crushed stone around the base of the water fountain closed by a wood Timber border to capture any runoff and mitigate any potential erosion caused by
overflow from the fountain copy of the plan showing his proposal is attached to the memo so we're showing connecting to the paved asphalt surface with uh Crush Stone um and wrapping a wood Cher border around that um if erosion number two if
erosion becomes an issue due to dogs walking in the area adjacent to the wetlands while utilizing the water fountain Public Works will could install an earth burm along the edge of the fence to prevent any such erosion from entering the Wetland area um while the commission did request
that the wetlands be red delineated red delineated in this area or rather expanded upon based on a different delineation from a different project town at this time will not be pursuing this request due to the cost to have that work completed um and number four
here at a future date if Public Works has a need to excavate the pavement adjacent to the location of the water fountain for other reasons the fountain at that time can be relocated I'm sorry the fountain will be relocated at a new water line installed from the current
location of the water fountain over to the area adjacent um to the existing kiosk on the opposite part side of the parking lot when and if this were to happen conservation would be notified so we're saying in the future if we have
any significant work down there at that time we'll run a new water line and mo it to the new loc that's okay any questions from the commission you don't have to raise your hand function anymore so that's good um what are the dimensions of the crush
Stone area we didn't put dimensions on there um know when you have that concrete uh pad that the fountain's installed on I would say surround that by maybe two feet on all sides and carry that the
pavement could be looking at something that's maybe six or eight feet wide total wide for people to come and go anybody else okay I a question unless you do
go first um first um you were talking about delineating it red delineating it we actually hadn't asked for delineation of the whole thing the area we were talking about was the area behind the fence um
It's relatively area but when Chuck looked it up it hadn't been BL bled so it is less we can talk about that afterward but by no means were we asking for them um the second thing the point
behind Martha's question about how far is because obviously it's a structure and so we always you know you have the magic numbers 25 fet is no disturb another 10 feet is no structure that counts in the structure so we would like
to see a plan amended with that distance on um I if Dimensions you're talking about from what I remember I think it's fine because I believe it was 40 some OD feet but um just you put dimension on that
would be good um so one other thing is when we were talking last time and I was talking about potential location to move this it inadvertently
got the label Brian's location okay I I don't have a location that is the best what I was saying last time is didn't like this location and we talked about I said for example across the street near
the kiosk but when and if that happens when and if this resurface in you go to move it don't feel constrained by what we talked about just you would be expected to find a reasonable place that satisfies all the needs and then propose
that okay um you wanted to say something or ask something yeah I had a followup question about the uh curving I was wondering if that was going to be raised above the surface or flush with the surface I see the wood Timber being
flush with the surface just really acting to retain the stone that stone tripping tripping that's good any else you no okay and one last time the
commission all right so at this point um I think we should get a motion to close this hearing is there a zoom component today um yeah you might want to I'm just
walk here is there anybody I'm looking for audience yeah is there anybody out there in the online land who has a comment or a question any sorry I don't see anyone that's raised their hand so uh at the bottom of the
screen you'll see a reactions button and you can just use the raise and function if you have a comment is there anybody in the room who has a comment or question okay I guess I guess I have a
question um in terms of that distance labeling that distance from the water fountain to the Wetland can we work with truck to determin where that is opposed to hiring atland scientist uh you mean for the Del delineation not for the mentions of the
yeah um I don't think you're qualified to do that you're certain not certified anymore are you can't be kidding me I do not know Chuck I'm ging you a chance to shine I'm I'm qualified
okay if you had agree with I I don't know were you serious or not I was like what the question is whe whether it's more than 35 feet away that's all I mean slam duck right yeah yeah like I said I remember we were measuring it it was 47
I think at the magic it was around 50 for sure was around 47 something like that so we're not we're not going for so having said all that I'm fine with Chuck being the expert anybody else have a
issue with that no okay and I I was mostly looking for getting the dimensions of the structure on the plan so if the Wetland is delineated in the future we know where that structure is that's what I understood actually we can
provide that yeah definitely having Chuck help us with that would certainly be appreciated and helpful okay anything else um having I said that can I have a motion to close this hearing I move to close the hearing on zero stav Stony I
second I'm voting firsty would lock in favor Walter toits in favor Tim Michelle in favor Martha Mo in favor Brian B in favor okay my position so that's yeah I know you use your own line
so that's to close it let's talk about any conditions um so the one condition talked about in the letter which is if it's ever resurface it'll be relocated from the last time we had a condition on
is there any change in activity after the initial getting things going that you would come back to us if there's any change in the building you would come back to us beforehand um the only two that I remember remember
anything else that we talked about um just dealing with any potential erosion from the dogs and feing down that grass surface maybe potentially expanding the stone if necessary address with grael
the Bo on it do you have any other um conditions you can no I think uh I think it's an erosion control uh issue I mean yeah the fountain's in the erosion control it should be should be all set just monitor that in case more is
needed um so I'm thinking of a condition I don't know what the wear is going to be on that um we've all seen what lots of dogss running around cre can do so I'd
like to have a condition where if we see that there's significant wear and tear and so it's becoming an erosion problem we would bring it to you probably in the coordination meeting um and then what time frame you think is reasonable to
get it addressed two weeks yeah depending upon what the scope is yeah but it's a reasonable Target yeah okay well then that'll be another so having said that I think
we're ready U for a motion to vote to issue um order conditions for zero St make the motion please I move to issue an order of conditions for zero St out I second that sen Lo Us in favor
Walter toits in favor Michelle in favor Martha Moore in favor r favor okay thank you he's an additional question so Mike's gonna start asking about something else but as chair you're gonna allow this yes it's
your prerogative right and yeah I understand you have something you want to bring up so about the Town Forest about the access roads yeah yes there was an existing RDA from the last time an invasive removal project was done in the Town Forest that um
specifically uh addressed Blaze tra and Spurs and we have more funding now and we would like to um amend it amend the RDA to go after invasives along the access roads um so this is the map of
the access roads the other pages of that with the blaze trails and Spurs so I'm wanted toh check in with you guys about amending the existing RDA for this purpose opposed to going through the process um of the new RDA
okay any questions comments were any of those access roads addressed in the last time that they did invasive removal I don't believe so we focused on the trails and the areas off the
trails anybody else so I'm in there all the time I think that would be great I'm all for that you have any questions comments I don't my only com well my only comment would be uh along the trails it's a highly used
area and it's very similar to the blazed Trails also so both highly used areas just if there's any additional conditions that the commission wants to put in because um of the expanded area I
think this lower area here isn't part of the Spurs and trails I think that's more higher above I believe the RDA the last time included some use of
herbicides do and it might be good to um put some publicity out to warn people that that will be happening in the Town Forest if they are thinking about going walking there yeah they might want to
delay a a little while they have that sign the exact name of it but that lighted sign they use is that something like that thinking something more in the immediate area of the
work side doesn't need to be it could be any sort of signage just to tell people you know herbicides in use I believe a condition was that the herbicides were to be dyed and to be visible so you could see where they were right but the people wouldn't know what
potential impact is and um assume it's applied right I think if you put it at lot five it would be it would cover both entrances people would see it going past sure that's an easy
ask yeah and then just uh notification that might be in the original order but uh make sure you notify the conservation commit we have a standard of 72 hours prior but it would be better to get more notification on this project so maybe
when whoever uh you have doing the work is uh mobilized and ready to give you a date if we could use he that date also that would be great who's doing the work same last time yeah it would be one of the two companies that we've been
using here and as we um develop a plan and we have to maybe go to bid or get quotes to keep you guys keep you guys in the loop through our monthly meetings or ins side conversations with chop certainly let you know where we're going to work and
what we'll be doing and what doing okay so we should vote to approve the yeah yeah I think that would be fine I I don't have I can look up the number if
you needed but you just voted to amend the order of petitions the trails and Spurs to include the access roads was it an noi or an RDA it was an RDA okay so I moved to amend the RDA to
include the access roads in the Town Forest this is Tony I second that Tony would Lo Us in favor Walter toix in favor Michelle in favor Martha Moore in favor ran brro in favor all right thank you
guys MP okay next on the agenda is 5:32 Pearl Street I read the blur sitting outside oal yeah you're in yeah I'll St G introduce it first anyway okay you can bring up plan and
I'll read the right 532 Pearl Street we opening a public hearing on a request for determination of ability filed by Tom Walsh under the Massachusetts weapon protection act mgl chapter 131 40 even
know the ready weapons protection byw section 7.1 the applicant proposes construction of 18t by 21 foot screen porch all the work is within the 100 foot buffer zone to a bordering vegetated Wetland the
application and plans can be viewed during regular business hours at the Town Hall conservation office 16 low Street Reading Mass and conservation division paid and the projects by year assessors map 46 50
82025 D2 when you gentlemen going to present your project yes my name is johnus I speaking on behalf of my friends Tom Walsh and Steve O'Neal so Tom would like to build the screen and porch in the backyard so we do not know exactly how
much the wetlands come into the area we do not believe it's anywhere close to the house to be honest with you so we we know there are wetlands out there we do have issues sometimes in the summer and spring with the mosquitoes and insects and stuff like that Tom doesn't want to
spray or use any type of pesticide we'd like to have an area to sit out back to enjoy the outside area for his kids and grandkids so it's relatively a small project relationship to the size of the lot and it's actually 16 feet 18 is a
small jog on one side of the existing house right over there on the corner so we will excavate underneath it by hand put in stone with a planting bed on the three sides we'll catch the runoff coming from the main house and from the screen and
porch okay any questions from the commission um I'm cons questioning the what's at 20 feet and what's at 40 feet it says erosion control at 40 ft what are you planning to do at the 20 foot
line that would be that was basically the area of the where we would be working the porch itself as you can see is only you know 20 fet from the house 22 because of the jog that
would be the very outside limit where we would be working you know we're going to put the materials the lumber will be delivered on the driveway on this side any excavation and the stone would be on this side of the house 20 ft is I gave ourselves enough room that we could go
out there and work you know if we had to put some material up there for the day to stack the lumber that's all strictly the work Zone we' not be outside of it a 40 foot buffer I figured that was plenty in case it was any type of runoff if we had a tanal down we would catch all of
it and what's the construction entrance which side of the house are you going to be driving in the driveway is on the right over here you're going to use that for the construction entrance correct so you're going to go around the back the house to get there y I'm wondering if
the erosion control should be spread a little further so like have it end at the shed so that if anybody's driving through you're not creating um erosion outside the erosion control absolutely we could
extend it we don't plan on having any Machinery out back at the very most we may need a power augur to drill the holes and a small machine to layer the lift the peers into the holes these are all pre-cast concrete we're not mixing
anything they come in a five foot section with a threaded Rod machine lifts it up puts it into the hole so like you wouldn't have a bobcat driving back there to carry your materials not to carry the material but something similar to a bobcat to drill the hole
and to put the piling into it so I would love to see that erosion and at the shed then oh absolutely so that we we any bobcat tracks that are being made don't create erosion going forther so that's
easy we can bring it straight across to the property line it's just about the same difference well butting it up against the shed gives you a a stopper at the end butting it up against the property
line the erosion could just sneak around onto the neighbor's property so I prefer ending it at the shed personally absolutely and in your thing it said quar logs often we use mulch socks yeah
sure that would be an expensive uh erosion control but yeah uh this is this is a pretty um easy lift for erosion control so I think even straw waddle would work in this case okay yeah you know we're
talking that's the least expensive version I'm not sure the how much it costs but um it's you know sometimes it's all about how to get it out of there so like hey Bill with this situation is isn't
needed just that we would probably end up with salt marsh right and then we put Filter Fabric but it would be some residue from the hay afterwards taking it out I know the core logs are more expensive but you roll them out roll them up yeah we walked the property on Monday
of course snow covered who knows what's underneath in ice yeah where the wetlands are who knows again but the one thing we were able to do is find what I call rubbish that should be removed uh there are brush piles there was a Christmas tree an old spreader rubber
tubing a wheelbarrow a acros neet um easy to do just can we damn kids talk get that yeah I can take care of that stuff my wife doesn't like to see something I tell by how all behind this tree over
the course of the winter I'm kind of a fanatic back there there's been a lot of brush come down and I put some piles to pick it up every time I haven't been able to do it recently but I put them out back there so I do too yeah so that's kind of know I can get rid of
that yeah like the goal is to have nothing within 100 feet of the Wetland so you you've got a long yard there so it might be that there's a part of your yard that could have a brush pile in it but figure out where the
Wetland line seems to be and be 100 feet away okay so how quickly do you want that REM just out of curiosity like in the next week by the end of the project okay that's that's very doable okay yes we will be getting a dumpster
for the job again adjacent to the materials on the driveway so any Mater any debris that's there we can quit it to that okay um a couple um the shed that you're showing the plan is that a new shed or is that moved from back where it was
that shed was put in with a permit how it was that was put in in the fall okay and I I requested a permit and went through the town and fine I I just was wondering um because I saw in the latest areial
photograph which wasn't yesterday it's still showed there so I just wondering what that was um and my assumption is that back where the wheel fows are was probably where the shed used to be yeah when originally when I bought
the house the the shed was closer to the wetlands I actually moved it to the middle of the backyard and uh pulled it out of the wetlands and it became not usable it basically rotted and swen down tore down I think it's fine where it is
okay you want to bear in mind that although your plan shows the Wetland cutting straight across there if you look at the GS it actually is a little like a kidney shaped and so a spur of it comes down closer to the shed than that
line up there still fine but just bear that in mind if you're doing anything in the future that that straight line is not accurate okay okay it doesn't matter in this case because pretty far back there I one other question in your
narrative um you talked about putting some plantings in at the end of the job um first of all we typically ask for a plan a planting plan and we want to see what you're going to put in and
where you going to put it and then we can look at that afterwards and as far as the plants to choose from you should uh take them from the approved list on the conservation pages and understand that we prefer natives
not cultivar some places are finding the cultivar we want true natives okay okay um do you have idea how how extensive the planting is going to be what you're thinking not a lot of it the the plantings we had planed to come out you
know two to three feet on the three sides of it except of course where there'll be a set of stairs just to catch runoff from the roof and that would tie into the stone underneath the porch as type of a dryw catch Bas not a lot in um we haven't talked to
Tom's wife about what type of plants you get we'll certainly my wife is very specific one one thing is we're deer resistant back there for the most part we do have a semi decent deer population come through here and there different
times so but oh she you meant the animal deer not your wife deer I meant that for so yeah if you could just just put it into a a simple plan and drawn something so we can see what you're going to put in and where yeah I I don't
think there's a ton of stuff we want to put in back there you I mean but there's some requirement do well yeah the reason it's is part of the approval y so we want to document what it is we're approving then later on when we doing a followup and doing a certificate
of compliance we can see you complied with something that was actually written down so it doesn't have to be mechanical drawings and precise to scale but just give us something that we can check on eyeball it absolutely the plants again are to
dress up the drainage area around it okay in the north corner there is that mostly lawn grass it is lawn y this the back corner of the
property the north Corner if I Follow the arrow there yeah top right that's your yard all the way to the property boundary or is there Woods along there's
Woods yeah there's there's grass to a point and then is it is unused not grass I don't my recollection of the aerial photo there was there was that corner of the yard was kind of like scrub brush in that area that's what I
impression I got from just looking at it obious without leaves and everything yeah the the more non-grass wooded area the better as far as we're concerned there's a big area of that back it's just not shown on the plan and we
couldn't really make it out on the site visit because it was all covered with snow so any more questions yeah we don't plan on grading or doing anything back there this is the extent of the work is the little Fortune thank you um can I have a motion
to close this hearing please I move to close the hearing on 5:3 Pearl Street oh you're right I didn't ask the before you is there anybody out there online who has a comment or a question please
use to raise your hand function seeing none okay if there anybody in the room who has a comment and question seeing none can I have emotion to f i moveed to close the hearing on 5:32 Pearl Street
Tony second what Like Us in favor Walter toins in favor m in favor Martha Moore in favor in favor um do we have any conditions yeah Ro control uh will be
extended to the shed and the brush PS and the yard waste and uh General class a trash will be removed from property and um planting plan submitted to Chuck any other
conditions hav't said that can I have a motion for a negative determination this Tony I move for negative determination on RDA at 53 street I'll second that tell lock Us in
favor Walter tals in favor Tim in favor Martha Moore in favor ran B in favor okay all right thank you um so the process moving forward from here is I'll that
ASAP as possible yes tomorrow 10 okay and we should have the planting done by Friday oh the I think that's also something that could be done before you we'll it
okay want to get it out of the way that's good to good okay thanks everyone I appreciate it thank you very much next is zero buying stre so
um so as everybody here is aware uh they have withdrawing their notice of content so our main purpose tonight is for us to vote on accepting that withdraw but we did agreed oh me
uhor I just want to procedur get it correct all right so no one should be speaking we should close the hearing but anyone can speak during citizens open Forum if the chair allows it so don't
set it I would say not to set it up for people that make comments now just want to close this okay and then whenever you decide to do citizens open Forum then that hold on got two minutes thank you having said that um
can I have a motion to close the hearing on Gerald Vin stre so they're asking the request is to um withdraw uh the applicant would like to uh request that the commission allow them to withdraw without prejudice so we
need a vote very similar to what I just said and that means that they have rain the right to come back if we were to deny the request what would that why I don't know so yeah think through it
um You' have to close you'd have to close for some reason or you'd have to you know the 21 Day clock is running and um so the Conservation Commission would have to make a decision in 21 days of the night because they
certainly are not requesting a continuous okay so do we close and then accept their motion to withdraw or do we just accept their withdraw y okay I move that
we accept the withdrawal without preses of the zero Vine Street project did I get that right yeah this is Tony I'll second that Tony Rus in favor Walter toets in favor Martha Moore in favor Rambo in
favor okay so now we can have a relatively short citizen I call Citizens open Forum citizens open for no l so um we did make good time tonight so we have some time but still is trying to keep it
relatively short been to enough meetings yeah I know thank you for all that you do by the way before you speak or ask you question can you uh let everybody know who you are yeah no yeah thank you Jim riy 87 Hancock Street
reic Mass I just got two brief questions first question is now that you've accepted this withdrawal of the noi what are your next steps our next steps are essentially to wait for them to
resubmit so there is nothing other than waiting for them nothing for second question I have because when this first happened it was not because you so Fiasco trying to learn though if
you if they present another noi to be accepted by Conservation Commission what are the next steps well the steps are the same that were required this time although perhaps they'll U embrace them
a little more fully but there are prescribed things they have to do for notifications uh of a Butters and through the newspaper um we know that that was one of the conversation may not be done yet but they have to do that they have to
pay filing fees uh they have to submit any updated new paperwork to the conservation administrator um we may or may not ask for a site visit you know we did one
already I think that will depend on what changes what the new plan would look like as to whether we think it's important to get back out there also time of year when we saw it was quite Frozen that's a very good point it was it was cold um so so there'll be some decisions like that to make but the
process is the same from our perspective so again just they file and then there's a period of time that you will either accept or reject the filing in just an estimated time
that usually happens so they will um file and get on the agenda there is a relatively short time period where we have to get it on the agenda once they have filed so that's what two
weeks yeah so the so once they file and it's on the agenda and we open the hearing there's a requirement through the regulations that we close within 20 days 21 days unless they re allow us to continue okay and that's a key point is
we cannot continue on our own the applicant has to ask for continu okay okay and if they they don't want a continuance uh then we have to vote one way or another it may not go in their favor we usually everybody reads their
room to see whe they'll get what they want or not thank you um Lucas pra 85 hanok street again thank you for all that you guys do learning a lot about this whole process um so my question is and once again I could have misheard in one of the original meetings
but I believe I heard one of the board members um or Chuck say I can't remember I didn't watch the video back that the conservation committee does not care or cannot control the wild life within the Conservation Commission however I
remember the the bare Meadow con um dog band and was just curious and I I opened it up and it says the commission is empowered to protect and enhance wildlife habitat um as part of the eight interest in the Wetland so and so forth
I believe you guys know it so just curious on an explanation kind of educate myself on it and everything the key point there our responsibility is not to the critters themselves it's indirect our responsibility is protect
the habitat which in turn uh protects the wildlife and then they have cover with food and Etc does sorry go ahead does habitat also include like noise and vibration no
uh we don't have jurisdiction over noise vibration uh air quality uh we are centered around water quality the water weap that's in act and so that's what our jurisdiction is okay um
so just one last addition to that like the particulate of all this diesel they claim it's going to be new better diesel whatever fuel but you're now adding a vehicle the locomotive there just spewing out this diesel be it better
diesel all day long in the particulate guess where it's Landing in the conservation land is there any potential concern for that um can I actually get into that that feels like sorry no I'm I'm not 100% sure myself my
understanding of the the regulations are that we can't if the if something happens outside of our jurisdiction we we can't do anything at the time that the project is proposed but if there's an effect to the Wetland after the project starts I think
there's a provision there an if and until yeah so it's it's until okay that that's the provision that's what we call it but we can't uh we can't prevent someone to you know
we can't prevent them because we think something's going to happen we have to see and I say measurable but I don't have a vote yeah but you would like to see a measurable change to the wellet so just that one last question
sorry just kind of we have time um with that said we like we've asked the Board of Health and some other things can you guys do or request a baseline study so you do have something to go off because
otherwise how do you know like if you go do the study five years from now how do you know how much was there to begin with I don't know I mean that's something that we have to talk about and think about um typically with these
things either Chuck will have answers or we reach out to the Northeast circuit Rider just between you and me the Diesels have a level four particulate system on it so they're probably cleaner
than the average car I I would agree and as um Jeremy talked about Jeremy Fontaine talked about last night they have those meepa uh standards and that's when he said that none of the thresholds
were reached that's when people were confused that mean that conservation can't vote no and and whether it matters so that that was a misunderstanding but there are Meer standards and they claim n were crossed they'll have to prove
that of course that's sorry okay that's is that what you want to say basic curious on that once again involving the conversation is question first question is the standard that they're using for a passing train or is it a stand is there
a standard for an idling train once again like the gentleman just said they yes they meet all these requirements but once again you're now putting a train that was not standing there idling there for hours on end throughout the whole year there's got to be a accumulation
it's a valid question I don't have an answer there even before they withdrew we had other questions that were open that we had asked that we hadn't got answers back yet on something like that but thresholds when when they say that
commission we don't we didn't meet the threshold we can we can check to see if they're under the threshold they have if they have uh if they don't have to meet it we need to accept it so if they're over the threshold then we can ask them
to get different review but if they're under it and that's proven then that's kind of where it stops your other question about the Baseline study we actually do something call the wildlife habitat evaluation and that's generally looking
at what's out there plants animals flora and fauna and how it will be affected what's key about something like that is squirrels rabbits raccoons you know Critters that live on the edge are not going to be disrupted
by this you would want to find Burnal pools you know something uh unique and and uh very sensitive you know certain owls certain want I've heard there's been a lot of species of birds that have like either come back or been added to
the conservation Lane there well that would come up and it was within the commission's right to kind of get into that um if they if they wanted to but it it's a wildlife have to at evaluation and just I can clarify one
thing um when Chuck said that the crits and everything won't be affected by this they won't be affected more than they are already by having a railway through there so doing this project won't have a significant impact which is one of the
differences with bare metal which is one of the things you mentioned before there there was significant impact um on the wildlife in that habitat because of uh moving you know dislocation of the
populations yeah if I just may I hear you I respect it but we can't use that phrase I heard that 12 times sorry um right now a train is passing within 10 to 15 seconds it comes and goes and
it's gone they plan to put an idling train rolling in and like us neighbors can attest the worst trains are the slow ones then they're going to park for 15 to 30 minutes I would argue
that rumbling onstant is going to drastically affect your wildlife in that I need there because I think we're getting too much one one clarification about mea um
that's a whole other different agency and that's a whole other different perent process and that's more of a large scale coordination um air quality is one of the factors they look at so if if you do have questions about whether they should be looking at air quality of of a moving train or a stationary train that's a
question you could address to the um secretary environmental Affairs in the Massachusetts Environmental Policy Act office is that in wilington what is the agency that's in wimington does that's the what that's
okay I just want to also clarify we've talked about how we really only have control over Wetlands but we also own property and we have control over that property whether it's Wetlands or not and the property you were referring to as bare
Meadow is property we own it's not all Wetland but it's up to us to manage that property for the benefit of the wildlife and and long as Marth was talking about property we own last night one of the misstatements was that it's on
conservation land it's not it's near conservation land it's not on conservation land it doesn't change the fact that we have the responsibility to detect the wetlands but there was a fair amount of misstatements last night can
I you're just pushing it you I love doing this but the MVP project is wetland right yeah it's Wetlands a chunk of wetlands but we don't own the train no I understand but
those trains will be idling above the abona river in veral pools that Chuck talked about so well there's no veral pools out there that we know of that we understood but things change and when
the Winter's over is my point which you brought up walking the tracks in cold and freezing weather and was that first walk wasn't the best type of weather you we got to look at something that's all thank you that's right I mean you were
talking about a baseline when the snow melts actually this time of year can start listening for certain Verner pool species or certain sensitive species listen listen for the frogs the wood frogs will be out first then the peepers then the then the toads and leopard
frogs before that but um yeah but just just to tone it down just a little bit not not toning you down but I want to say that natural heritage doesn't want to hear about one un spring peeper they want to hear a ro robust if you're
recording it um chirping just chorus chirping whatever they do we'll go right into the C yeah so if that's great if you hear that but if it's just one every once in a while that's not going to qualify well can we go back to the
original premise if they're going to resubmit we don't even know where they're going to do it that's right so having some of this discussion isn't relevant that's part of the reason well last night they they pretty much said it was the same place yeah if you watched
last night excuse me can you introduce yourself I'm Linda Russo I also live on Hancock Street and you and you wanted to say something s Russo I live on hand card Street um two things when they when and if they
refile do they have to do it under a new number or do they do it under the same D file number it will be a new number be a new number okay second thing is in their
presentation last night they talked about idling for in it one day seven hours so that's why I think Lucas is talking about having a baseline now when there's nothing versus yeah I
understand so my question is um about the abona river what there's always a creek except in the hot hot summertime right next to right where they want to put this new track it's where the other track used to be so it's like right
outside my our our backyard and that's going to flow down to the new mallet sums area where is the connection is it the Calvert that takes it to the abona that CT that they showed the picture of last night that they were going to redo
our jurisdiction for River SL stream is 200 feet 200 feet from the stream itself top of bank right I think it's top of bank but anyway from from the stream so it's not a covert per se you know the
abona kind of winds along there yeah so it's 200 you're talking about that water along the tracks yes so does that end you get a chance to review that it's kind of weird we were at but their claim was that was not jurisdictional and that was one of our questions and we haven't
had a chance to talk um okay because there's water always there most of the time there's water there and it's going to be going someplace we have an online presentent when so what's that I was just telling we have something online also give me stage direction oh no I
wasn't trying to slow you down I'm just trying to understand the connection to the abona um and I know I appreciate what you said earlier I I didn't think of it in those terms that you're not a wh if you're a what's now and I I never thought of that like if there's an oil
spill that drip pan thing drove me crazy last night I it's not gonna contain something that we haven't fully talked about with them yet yeah what they talked about last night is what they were proposing right and we we have other questions about that right and um
and to me it's like they have the drip pan area closest to the I heard you last night I sat right behind you so what was that I sat right behind you did you hear me too I'm sorry I missed you you I'm sorry anyway anyway so yes we have other
questions just really did the cars themselves have any any drippings so we have questions this is a hearing interrupt this all right so when they refile yeah in a few months then we get to see what if anything they've changed
get from there thank you are we getting our water back from the abona the wells that were ruined when there was the oil spill no we're with that's what I thought okay that's
what I thought okay we have someone online I just have a quick question my name is David Kumo and I live on Woodward and and I think it may be too hypothetical because of this drip it has to do with the drip pan and and is the drip pan so so here are the hypothetical
questions that you you probably can't answer tonight but maybe you should table respectively is the drip pan once it's established is going to be installed in a like a a permanent location that's what they said so that the train will always have to idle right
on top of the drip click pin is what they said that's the answer they gave me last night okay and the second question is how far in from Willow Street would that be and I know you don't know that yet but that would be a question I would to ask you I can say we did have that conversation I myself my question was if
you look at the map abon kind of goes across and there like a Spur coming down towards the center of town yeah my question had to do with where do they measure from and it turns out it was a mo question because the distance is much
further than our jurisdiction much further okay what does that mean it means it means too far in from Willow Street it's too far away from the river for us to have jurisdiction uh and and so we there's other things for us to worry about but it's not the uh the
river you know that's a question that homeowners would be most interested in hearing because of the you know rational self-interest in terms of where it's located because there are people right on Willow Street uh who were adversely affected by this and so without going
any further and I think we would are pushing it here somebody in the very first public meeting we had brought up the inherent conflict which is from our perspective we want it away from the wetlands which of course puts it where that was that was and we
would put you by houses the residents who us wanted it away from the houses put that was me who brought that someone brought it up last night too I thought you did I I don't want to accuse you without knowing though but um so so that that is a question that you have to consider no I'm just trying to I don't
live right on the tracks I'm just thinking about my Compadres here you know and that's important they important to me it's the whole idea of not having it near homes but I just asked if you asked those questions unfortunately we're the
Conservation Commission is not supposed to take into consideration anything about except the environment so it's they're it's not going to come up where they're gonna say this time we're gonna we're gonna keep it in front of at the
end of the day at the end of the day that drip pin will have to be located some way permanently they didn't get a chance to talk allowed to ask that I don't I'm not saying influenc that but I'd be curious that would be one of the first questions I would ask where would that be local so I can address that I know last night they said it would be
permanent place and therefore the locomotive would have to go to the same spot every time yes that's not finalized with us yes we had the conversation the beginning of the conversation about a drift Pan actually Tim happens to know fair amount about some of that um from
his other life and so we have we have some knowledge in that area which we can use whenever they come back to us EXC excellent thank you we sort of ran out of time last night but and again tonight I'm sorry but if he knows about drip pans I'm only saying it
because you just said that is there any way you can suggest when you bring this up with them to have the drip pan be longer so the same people don't have to suffer so so constant this would be us
issuing um and order of conditions so that means we can put conditions on that okay um and it doesn't mean they have to accept it outright although typically they accept the condition another thing last night somebody said somebody asked what if the
commission votes no and Jeremy basically said they really can't vote no I heard that yeah they've been very dismissive way into this thank you for bringing it up yeah right but anyway so somebody online if you can introduce
yourself please hold on a second okay car can you hear us care Perry hello can you hear us soong that is is there somebody online
through Zoom who's looking to it's not allowing her to unmute oh let's try that how about now you should be able to you have you that's that's has to be your
computer because I gave you uh code posting abilities is there something you can ask in in a message in the in the chat SE session I just lost her
someh she is ch can you put your question in the chat and we can read it or you could call in sure we haven't heard here we go I'll pass okay thank you sorry it didn't work
out and catch us next time okay move on thank you very much yes thank you very much it's not allowing Aaron to un as well I guess our husband was trying thank you very much for your time
appreciate it thank you she's hook yeah apparently um so having said that that's it for the hearings so now we move on to old new business and the first piece of new
business is about shirro he has asked for a leave of absence his work that combined with his evening class teaching schedule too much so he's asked for leave of absence until the semester
finishes somewhere in the May time um so basically this is informing the commission that's why he's not here U and do we have to we have to vote to accept his yeah that's does this mean his
position can't be filled yes I know we still have one opening yeah but you're making a decision to Grant him his leave and we won't be filling it position so holding it open any time frame yeah May when he returns
yeah may may Oh I thought you said yay sorry with them so can I have a motion to accept sh of absence until the May time frame so moved secondus in favor Walter toet in favor
in favor Marth Mo favor Rambo in favor okay uh now we have violation notices the one in the docket tonight is 4:45 Pearl Street is Michael up there yes
okay um we talked about this before Michael submitted um a proposed amended plan uh which Chuck posted so um Michael do you
want to um take us through your proposed plan Chuck can you um yeah so Chuck's going to uh put it up on the board then you can walk us through it okay I'll let you know when it's there
well you'll see it too but okay there it is go ahead okay so this is B is the the original plan uh I just marked up a location of the there was an existing White Cedar Timber
wall which I replaced and I located that on the drawing and noted it and just carry and it it don't it falls like and maybe half of it falls within the scope of the alteration and
the other back half is uh in the original grades and it's in section as well there anything else you want to add uh it's also in in the section the cross section of the um
slope yeah I showed the um position of it in that as well there it is top right yeah okay anything you want to say about that no I just wanted to you know throw it in
there to clarify what what it actually is gonna where it actually is going to be okay let's see what the commission has to say questions comments is that it says existing White
Cedar Timber wall is that where it is now or where you're proposing to put it that's both where it was is now I does not match my recollection of the
area I do have some pictures that I sent before I uh replace the all the rotted Timbers do you have I did you say you have pictures or I I had sent those
pictures previous on this chain uh email chain but I don't know if you have those but that's where the you know before I pulled out the Timbers the rotted Timbers and replaced them I took pictures of you know to show exactly
where they are okay um put that as for the moment anything else you want to say uh no no I can't think of anything unless it's like questions specific questions
or anything like that yeah we're working on that I just gonna hang on a second Chuck has the pictures I don't have talk and I'll try to get these okay are there any other question have a
couple of questions um so it looks like you're you're proposing to use some some live staking with with Willow at two stakes per linear foot that was in the original plan that was in the so basically everything on this drawing aside from the location of that existing
White Cedar rebuilt wall everything else is the original okay um I guess I was going to ask if if you'd also maybe consider HED hedging your bets by maybe putting in some red oer that that tends to live stake pretty
well I don't know what what survival You're Expecting with the willow that but you you might have a little better success with um or different success uh by by mixing in some red oer just just a suggestion okay
and at what point would you be taking out the coconut core logs those those are biodegraded will biodegrade over multiple years okay so you I guess you've
expect so you know plants or something like that to to grow into it yes okay but th those would be there permanently to act as a permanent stabilizer until until the roots take hold that's the idea right correct yep
okay any other questions in the room okay I let me I'll put these up as soon as I go you just continue to talk I guess yeah I have one question um so what problem is this new plan
solving was wrong with the original approved plan well the original approved plan didn't show didn't show the existing it just shows this you know I guess the section shows a perfect scenario which
you know in construction it doesn't um you know it obviously doesn't address it's it's your perfect goal but it doesn't address the ledge that's there it doesn't address the tree that's there
next to the uh calt it doesn't address all these things so it's what we shoot for with existing I guess what it speaks to in the narrative a bit you know that pre pre um original
grades and stuff like that but so which problem you mention briefly a tree by the culber and um ledge and what have you which one of
those caused you to put this wall in in a different place different way although I just replaced the wall exactly the way it was because it was had been rotted in the top
Timbers so did you know that you were going to have this problem back when the plan was approved uh well actually I mean I didn't wasn't even going to touch the touch it where it was in the in the back
section but it I didn't even think about it until I started to pull away some of the material and the wall was there and I said oh yeah that's right this wall goes straight through the the tree in the Calvert back to the fence so I it had been a while I had
forgot about it [Music] so what alternative is there to deal with the things you discovered besides putting this wall in I'm sorry I'm I don't understand the
question well so you said that there's some ledge but but there was a wall a wall in the exact same place exact same height before yeah that wall and the picture there is the
existing wall and that goes down some number of feet that yeah that goes down several feet is the top of this wall that seen in this picture is that exactly the same distance from the house and from the
stream as the one that there currently yes yes that's why I took the pictures because when you um when you see it now it goes directly right by that fence and it goes right to the I have a picture from the other view that shows how it
goes next to the tree so when we were there for the site visit when we met with you and your dad I could look down at the stream and this sheer wall went straight down and there
was no soil between the wall and the stream which made me think that the wall was closer to the stream than it used to be but are you saying you dug out all that soil in order to replace the wall and we just stopped you before you had a
chance to put the soil back in yeah exactly exactly where did you put all that soil that you dug out the the soil just moved to the other bank replace the wall and then I'll be
building up the inner Bank the bank uh sou the Southern Bank and then installing the coconut coil logs stream bed the other side and then unfortunately the length the size of the machine I couldn't reach the far
Bank enough to really uh work it from the side of at my I have to get yeah my memory of the far bank is consistent with what you said there
was just big piles of dirt and no vegetation on the far bank and I did not know where that dirt came from so you're K saying it came from between the wall and the stream and you want to put it back
outside the wall in order to get that slope that is on the plan correct okay and my memory of the original approved plan is that it did not show that little short wall
top that's visible in this picture and also visible in your red existing wall marked on your plan plan it it kind of comes up a slope and then on your current plan it goes straight up and then you've got the upper level and I
don't remember seeing that jog in the uh original plan but I didn't bring it with me today so I can't look the jog I'm not sure um okay on the
plan you just showed us with the red exist wall written in yeah the soil on one side of the wall is higher than the soil on the other side of the wall and I did not remember seeing that in the approved plan from
2021 think Brian's I mean I I drew in the wall and did you adjust the height of the soil surface at all yes by how much and why uh well I mean actually the the grade is lower than
that I took that grade down all the way to the house a foot and then sloped it and then I just carried it up to have it a little less of a incline A Little More Level yeah can I ask a question about
that what's the timber white Timber wall for what's it for yeah oh it's just to make it so um the the grade can be a little less slop yeah see that plan there doesn't
have a you guys one side is two to one one side is one and a half see that mean is there a requirement I don't know not to exceed not what's the question these a best practice is there a smoke requirement
yeah two to one it's on the plan somewhere oh but so it can't exceed two to one yeah it's not they can't exce it's proposed for two: one and typically if it's over that then you'd have to do some sort of stabilization because the
one on the left is 1.5 to one 34 degrees versus 2 7° it's steeper on the left yeah I'm I'm a little confused as to why this is such a difficult project i' I've seen a lot of these and I've done a lot
of these this is a straight shot on a two foot wide stream you're putting in a coral log and you're you're you're replacing the um the cut with with some clean fill
some soil top soil then planting it I totally agree so I think that I think commission myself I'm I'm unsure the retaining wall is in the same spot I don't see the retaining wall
going 10t down in the ground and if it did I'm having a hard time trying to figure out how the material got on the stream side it to me it doesn't make any sense so that's the base right there I see Stone coming out underneath the closest
log not sure I see it coming you know those logs being dug down to the bed of the stream which they are now this new Cedar I also don't see the amount of space between the
house and the uh one of those landscape Timber that exists now there's more space now no it's exactly the same space I also see that those trees in the
background they almost seem to be exposed by the edge of the stream so I don't have the the pictures with me yeah that that's and Mike that's the whole the whole question is how much is
there now because what's on the stream side of those landscape ERS is supposed to be replaced and it doesn't seem like that's what is happening out there and the landscape tempers might be in
the wrong spot I mean there're there it's all right off the numbers is that you still there in the background is can we just go out there and look at that I don't know if that's a Hol or whatever that is oh the
uh they the house there the Evergreen yeah yeah that's um that's not there anymore gu the trees left of it are doesn't look like it's the corner of the fence line with the the RO control and
that somehow it's like connecting to the corner of the fence yeah it goes right by the corner of the fence I mean it hits the corner of the fence it does and it did then so let me take one more chance at this so you're saying the wall you put in places a wall that was
already there yes so what ledge did you hit that wasn't there before that caused you to change the plant oh no I'm just saying like so when I started pulling material
up there's Boulders that are larger than my truck there towards the back side of this there's two Boulders next that go next to each other I mean so I mean I'm just saying the cross-section is a
perfect situation but there is existing uh um conditions there I mean obviously we don't want to cut trees down that are holding the whole Bank together at the Culver or big boulders that a ledge that that are in the
brook so I'm just saying that the you know and and it spells it out in the narrative as well about the existing stream bed and the and the basically the goal is to restore it to
the original well let restore it to the approved plan how close that is the original I don't know I wasn't part of the commission then all I can go against is the approved plan yeah but the approved plan and the construction documents were all the
narrative is part of that to help you know better explain the intents you know I guess I think one of the things that concerned me was that it seemed like there wasn't
enough room between the bottom of the stream bed and the new wall for that two: one slope um and you're claiming there is and if there is
then it sounds like you could carry out the approved plan but I'm just skeptical as to whether that's really true um but also it concerned me that the opposite streamed got so steep all of a sudden
and now you've explain that the reason is so steep is because you took your soil and put it on the opposite side um which I don't think that's a great place to put a bank on top of the opposite
bank so if I can try and move this along from my perspective you don't have any documented reasons that are compellent enough to accept this change in plan uh Chuck was asking
about do some trees are they still exist some kind of a visual reference so we could have some qualified judgment as to whether um everything is as it was before so from that perspective give
given that we don't have I'm going to you use the word proof given we don't have proof I don't see that there's a reason to modify the plant hang on Chuck C the picture up the corner of the fence and the landscape Timber about six inches
away or eight inches away yeah and the new the new location or the new Timber is budding right up to that fence so it's actually six inches closer to my house than than the actual original it's
reference yeah carry that carry that forward but you can see how the stream side it has that slope so what you're saying is that you
can with what you've done you can recreate that almost look it's it almost looks to me like it pinches in closer to the front where the driveway meets the the foundation but at least with this we
could start just look at what you did and and see if you know something could be uh if it's in the right spot I guess I guess that was one of the questions the other question is with what what we saw out there how can you how can you reproduce
this plan so I have the Bank St stabilized with the wall as part of that everything got push so I'm building the stream bed from my side and working the far bank I just have to bring a
longer ma a machine with a longer boom in there to get to the other Bank from my side but there's 16 feet there and the slope it's only um the difference of 5T and
elevation from the invert to the side of you know from the side of the lot so I have definitely have the room I mean it all works out with math you know mathematically to fit and I tried to show that as best I could in the
elevation and on the plan view based on the math based on the slope and the math from the side lot and the distances and the actual distances the um the wall and the stream bed are from
the side so it all it all works works out mathematically anyway it's just the way I did it it's you're only to that point so now I have to I still have to pull back and build
the stream bed on the South Side core logs and then dress the north side and where would the soil come from to rebuild the Southside so it's all the existing soils that's that's on that's sitting on the
North side now yes you would bring it back over to the South side right so now you know it part of the problem was there it was not dry um that's the way streams work yeah
it wasn't dry when I was working it so it it was tough to maintain you know it was getting very muddy so um best case scenario is we do it the
dry it's completely dry um quite a while durings yeah so if we were to go out there to try and look for references try and yeah establish this in something concrete that we can compare that seems
to be the only way to get past the impass of because I the same impression Martha had that the flat area at the top of the South Bank seemed wider um but seems is not a very good standard
yeah sounds like we need another site visit with this picture here and the other pictures that we had probably in the trees and whatnot try to figure it out just from what I see on site and what I see in the plan I'm
wondering how it's going to work out yeah I me yeah I I had the exact same question you I know nothing about this so yeah um so Mike we're kind of talking ourselves into saying that we need
another side fish it where we bring these pictures with us uh and a tape measure and a tape measure and try and um understand the situation better
sure he start working again so if we did this in like mid April yeah I mean I would say it would be we permitting and uh you know I don't know I don't know I don't know what it's going to be like is that loose soil on
the North side is that eroding down into the stream no it hasn't moved at all when does he want to start working again yeah so when do you want to start working again soon as it dries up and
like so May June yeah you I would say it would probably be the earliest would probably be June it's usually okay so let's set it let's set a site visit for Mid April if it's too wet we'll reconnect and extend that time frame are
you available during the week yeah it can be available whenever you guys as long as I have some notice I yeah so let's do it right now um so I'm going to go to April and I'm going to look and I'm going to put it on our
regular um a regular site visit day so the commission is used to that so it would either be the the 9th uh well the 7th 7th or the 21st 21st yeah and uh so April 7th or
April 21st are you available I think we're gonna have a conversation about starting earlier it's going to be a Monday yeah yeah the 21st isn't a good day I'm yeah my Mondays I'm actually I'm in me I
have meetings the entire day so Mondays and Wednesdays I have a lot of meetings uh Wednesdays I can usually make work because I the O the afternoon opens up a bit but Mondays are terrible for me okay early morning is better for
us because then people go to work after yeah visits um so what what Wednesday in April works for you is there like April vacation right what about the previous Thursday morning so that would be the 10th
before the seventh you mean yeah so that would be the third yeah the Thursday the 3D would work for me we're checking it's good
fine okay so we'll say Thursday the 3 at 8:30 okay 8:30 yeah sounds good all right okay I guess that's it for now if
you do see anything eroding to the stream can you put a a mat or something over it to to hold the dirt in place so it doesn't move down yeah I I have a whole roll of Juke matting and staking I can I could throw
in if I had to right away that' be good to use it yep okay I think we're good for now then okay this is so just extend the uh you guys can make a motion if you want to to extend the
enforement order did you say 8:30 yeah 8:30 and we get to that time change later the later topic okay okay okay um so I don't know if you're still there Mike if you are thank you you're
welcome um so yeah Chuck right we need to vote to extend the enforcement order to give us time to do this I move to extend the enforcement order or site visit on
April April 3 okay I second that Walter toalson fav Michelle in favor Mar more in F I both secondly in favor okay next
topic is the proposed changes to the tree [Music] policy so the driver for this was our uh zero Cedar Swamp um conversation the
tree policy used to say um within the buffer zone uh and it was assuming it was implying within going all the way to the resource uh the lawyers for National Grid argued that it didn't actually say
not in the resource and Town Council agreed with them so that basically threw our tree replacement policy aside so this is intended to close that loophole really is pretty
straightforward um he says trying to make um there's two colors in here yellow is added words you can see that every place that have said the buffer zone and now says the buffer zone or resource area closes that
loophole um there is one place marked in red well in the text the place marked in red under standard rep placement three and TR policy and that's where I'm proposing to take out the oric cult art of a
native species that's actually putting into the text what pretty quick what we what we talk about in our meetings is pleas through natives so I believe there
are four places where so what does red represent since now I have it on the screen taking away Tak away remove and insert it's yellow okay just wanted to have it for the record well and and I I violated my own
color code because they also Mark the date in red I'm not saying take it away we have to update it to whenever we uh appr this so it's effective way and you said there were three four places where you added resource area can Chuck scroll
down one two three four yes maybe too much now yep at the very end all right so it's all it's all the same thing um as okay so this will close one little
po any comment any discussion anybody did question I mean anybody question I think it's a good idea and today is February 26th so you'd want to change the date to February
26 so how do we actually so we have to submit anybody so just you will do it or you'll have one of your me I'll make the changes and I'll submit them to uh so so uh
sorry I think we purposely talked about this but I think guys forgot so we put it on there tonight as a discussion I'm going to put it on our next agenda as a vote so it will come up one more time and then it will go to the town clerk
and then it'll be all set all right I do have one question under hazardous tree protocol um after the yellow highlighted section of the 100 ft of a wetland or Pond um a pond is considered a wetland under it's already considered a wetland
do you mean a are you trying to distinguish a pond from a boorder no actually just left the text that was there that's a seems like you want to distinguish something isn't it usually lsf I would think if if you say Wetland maybe you want to
change that to a jur jurisdictional wetland that would include land underwater isolated land subject to flooding um is it this as easy to to say in a resource area or within 100 feet of a resource area yeah that's the language
that's been used in other places right so that way it's it's saying in it or within 100 ft of it make sense yeah yeah there's nine references to Wetland yeah because then so you want
each one of these as a jurisdictional w can we look at them resource area I think so but let's just be sure it makes sense I mean there that's should say Wetland because it's it's a list right where did that come from that come from the uh beginning of the
ACT 100 ft of a resource area that should be no I know Wetland is sometimes just short hand for bordering vegetated Wetland but Wetland also has other meanings in the a yeah to keep the language clear which is
good I'm not changing that one that one is one of the instances where it says Wetland or Pond right so that should be changed to um then 100 feet of a resource area so take away Wetland or
Pond and this one so just scoop the inner resource area and put it in placement of well po do you want me to do this now or you
want to just yeah I'll mark it up and send send it I'll do that I think there's that and do you want to capture veral pools in here resource area isn't
it are they in the list in the introduction and seeck look that would be the place I think we would add mention yeah so I would agree with Martha that in that list we should add
vernol right after Pawns in the second line could be a good place although it does say such as and we learned from Bill that flexibility all right you have some work to
do so that was actually good though so yeah that's a good that's a good catch and I'm glad wal to C it glad you you see you vote first you my place okay so I will update that and send it to everybody if you have
comments send to me directly not to uh next is the next conservation DCW coordination meeting is March fourth as always we wanted we want if you see anything around town we uh do an
agenda so stuff we can mention uh we were curious about where the designated snow storage areas are in town if any of those are uh uh within our jurisdiction as Brian saw one on
Colonial Drive they was conc concerned about that was certainly question so that that that's like a question that comes up as we're driving around town um I'm supposed to also uh list out the
jobs I want the DPW to do for my volunteers and my projects going to do this summer it's another thing that they'll they're expecting and they'll find time to do that most of it's not time sensitive until the crews get here but then after that
you know we usually need two truckloads of uh bark mulch or wood chips some dirt and equipment hand tools and things like that to use and we were talking about trying to
get the plantings in lot five watered we were we were um that didn't come up tonight but from my conversation with Jane and Chris and help remember this we did mention is
there any way uh that they could water those during the summer and uh either let me use the truck and trailer or have their Crews do it and what was the reaction Jane always wanted to work
through it I don't know what Chris thought but it was good that Jane was there um I think that uh you know Chris you know would want to ask whoever is you know has dibs on it you know I don't
know if that's Mike hord or or U what's his name Jeff Cummings but uh once that happens we'll be able to figure it out I'm not sure we have anyone who's going to plant lot five but we certainly are
planting bare Meadow and I need to get water out there and the town Force committee needs to get water out where they're planting although the DPW has already said they'll do that for what during the planting wasn't my request that I asked
him someone else they said it's during the planting they water I didn't see anything that said they're gonna keep did you I don't know Chris I mean I think uh it was uh was kind of left open just call me Chris I did I think
you did we're all in Disguise tonight so what do you need for wood chips so Mike Hanford has wood chips we just we just need him to deliver them to where we have a project so what about Mulch good for that too I said mulch we usually we just use Woods okay that's the type of
stuff I can you can source source but the the wood chips there's a giant Pile in the compost area yeah that's what I thought too but if you need whatever yeah no we just need the DPW truck to bring them to where we need to put them rather than us with our Subarus and
filling up the back that would be many trips okay so are we gonna add talking about getting some watering gun to the yeah this list is a running list but okay I have on my desk but yeah that's definitely one that
we wanted to try to figure out okay then that's the meeting of March 4th can you make that I can I to far I can see um that night there's the meeting of library for the town Force plantings
that's M's yeah yeah but that's that night March 4th yeah I'm gonna go to that okay um then next is an Administration I understand Brian's going to that meeting too yes we said we would both go I was behind you talk
species and I would just me okay I have a TVD on my list that I haven't done yet but I will make sure I do it next week okay administrative report I don't have any unless there's something you want to
remind me about were you gonna talk about the in report the in no I wasn't really no well I can I but I think you should talk about it didn't I thought was on one of your lists oh maybe it's off my list because
it was submitted because we're ran out of time so oh okay so every year we have to do an annual report and usually was it off on somebody um so I I did one and um this time I have many more pictures
in it I have to do with the many different things that accomplished this past year the odd thing about it is it looks like a brianb eagle wall because the pictures I used were the ones that he sent me he took them so I'm in them
so there's an awful lot of pictures of me or me and my letter so I apologize in advance if thought crosses your mind when you see him but um it talks about um things like Nots talks about lot five it talks about uh what's happened to
Bare Meadow what's going to be happening uh at the end it has a just a listing of how many of each kind of Permitting uh we did so on the one hand it's a start dark list of numerics on the other hand there's a little bit of Flesh around
some of the events um and at the top it just talks about what our mission is what our purpose is and some of those numbers there I think we need to double check there's there's a number there for the number of properties we um Steward
and the number of acres and I don't think that was accurate anymore I did toggle the uh number of properties by a couple because we picked up the one on sandborn and the one down near the I school so I bumped it by two I don't
know if that's accurate but so it's an annual report is it online is it someplace every no it's uh it's only with the uh Town managers group okay so just so you know it was done and at some point one of you
can you for doing that Bri I could take a selfie yeah I should have done no actually anyway so so that just s it got done and was submitted on time um so
then other I want to talk about which we already alluded to is changing the time the default time for our site visits it's been nine o'clock on the Monday before a commi a commission meeting for a long time that was originally put in
place because some commission members had kids to drop off at school and 9:00 was the earliest they could make that's not true anymore early the better so at this point ear early better up to the point it was good for other people too Tony had suggested 8:30 even for the
most recent one um with wise at 8:30 to Mr Rivers um so I'd like to get some agreement on whether 8:30 should be a number if anybody wants to make Freddy lost as hockey team
lost you just got the word my son's watching the game reced here that language reuk him he's uh get call from get a call from RCT someone I'm not getting so does anybody
want to suggest a different time I can do 8:30 there was a time when we were doing I can do whatever time you like better for you a lot better yeah okay better is
835 8 is probably 8:15 I could maybe make no I'm not trying to push it ear I just want to know no eight eight definitely not 8:15 is let's say 8:30 8:30 8:30 will work it's better it's a half hour 8:30 is better for me okay so we are moving the default uh site visit
time to 8:30 before even okay all right haven't said that is there anything else we need to discuss well we need to keep talking for at least another eight minutes so we can go over 9 o' supposed to be
8:30 supposed to be 8:30 been a thought of moving these meetings early earlier than seven yeah not on Wednesday we don't have to meet on Wednesday most not not to not to do the
Brian thing like you know try to continue the conversation but uh I could go later I could go like 11 at night I move that we adjourn wej before I at
8:52 second that's good oh in favor see you all right we're juring rctv you've been bad at uh shutting us off before so please stop the video e
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