I don't teach me how to read the package. >> Wrong building. >> Yeah. Did you Oh, wrong building. >> Yeah. John and I >> Yeah. Okay. >> Well, I'd like to call the October 21st
20th um hands on Eging meeting to order. Um first thing we'll do is take attendance. So, let's see because we do have some online members. Um, John Parson >> here,
>> John, Joan Coco, Rosemary De Benadetto, Dave Harrington, >> Leonetta, Karen Panette >> here, >> Ron Powell >> here, >> Jean Prao, John Suzinski,
Marilyn Chapley >> here, >> Deborah Small, Thomas O' Conor >> here, >> and Nancy Zimlac >> here. Do we have enough voting members? One, two, three. Faster.
>> One, two, three, four, five. >> Do we need six? >> We need six. >> So, >> all right. So, who do we want to? >> I'm an >> Oh, you're not a member. >> Associate. >> You're associate. full number
>> 106. So >> So Kate, since you're in the room, >> elevate you a voting member until until Jean comes in. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Right.
Um first item. So to run through the agenda, we have to approve minutes. We have the appointment of the secretary or vote on the secretary. Are you willing to take a minute? >> No, I just always drop this down because then I can check and see if they're right.
>> We're doing Rose Gillis an operations plan for recale presentation and discussion membership fitness room and rentals with Chris, Jenna, John and Emily, a COA discussion for operations that I will
lead. Elder and human services report and trust fund report. Chris will offer that PBC update will be with Nancy COA table at the connected reading open log house at the library. It's just an announcement. I will make that announcement. Discussion and vote to
change COA monthly meeting start time. I will leave that. And then future agenda items which include we have to discuss our date for November because there is town meeting and that will interfere. So the first item we want to try to
approve minutes took excellent minutes. >> Um can we figure out who John is? And >> that's wrong. Okay. >> Barbara's like >> it should go.
>> I'm gonna take a wild guess if Barbara watches them. >> She's just a citizen. >> Right. Right. Do we need to Should we ask people who John C and Barbara Barbara's iPad, can
you identify yourself so we can document you in our minutes >> or type it in the chat? >> Yeah. Or add it in the chat. >> I don't know that it makes >> All right. So, do we have a motion to
approve the minutes? >> So, move. >> Is there a second? >> Second. >> All of those in favor? >> We do have to do a roll call there. Um Karen,
>> yes. >> Yes. Hi. >> Um Kate, >> um Marilyn, >> yes. >> Nancy, >> yes. >> Aaron, yes. Is that six? Okay. As is
unanimously. Um okay. The So, we have this issue every meeting. Marilyn was kind enough to look into see if we could ask the town to
offer this option as well. Um, and she you found out that 50 about 50% >> 50% of them have someone from town staff taking their minutes for them. And the council on aging used to before I took it on there was some and they were so grateful and I was so naive and didn't
realize what I was getting and did it for seven years. But I mean I think we've done our fair share of us doing it >> and 50% don't. Right. >> 50% somewhat in the organization. Um Marilyn did an outstanding job with the
minutes but and Kate also did the la the previous one and we've had really good but what I wanted to offer is u because we do need somebody permanent that is one of the offices of the Sen Council on Aging. So we do need somebody to step up but one of the things that I wanted to
suggest because I noticed the PBC meeting minutes they're just typed into the agenda. You notice that? Well, interesting. Today I got the transcript from the BBC meeting. >> Oh. >> And this is what came out and it's
pretty good. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um, so I would be willing to do that on a regular basis. >> Write it. Right. I I was >> Yeah. So, as it's recorded, um it just pretty much records the
action items and who voted for what and um if people want to add in a personal word here or there. Otherwise, I mean, take take one page home and take a look at it. I thought it was pretty good. Marilyn thought it was pretty good and
it was wicked easy to do. >> So, are you volunteering? >> I am. >> Thank you. >> Pretty good. second, third, >> but only if I can do this. >> Absolutely. We don't need >> only if I can do this. >> But are we required to reformat it into
the template? >> Yeah, I'll put it in I'll put it into the template. >> Okay. >> It basically will just be this >> in the template. Perfect. >> So, I can do that. >> Okay. So, we do need to vote. Yeah.
>> Jean Proto's on. >> Oh, good. Welcome, Jean. >> Well, good evening. >> Thank you. >> Do we have a We do need to Somebody needs to nominate you. >> So,
>> I nominate Nancy Zimlac as secretary. >> Second. >> All those in favor? Roll call. Um, let's start with Jean. We're I just to catch you up to date. Nancy has volunteered and has been elected to selected to um
take our minutes, be our secretary. So, we're voting. Jean, >> Ron. Oh, no. Ron, never mind. Sorry. Um John Parson >> Nancy Zimlac. >> Yeah.
>> Marilyn Sh. No one's better. You can always use that. >> I don't care if it is capitalized. >> The error. She doesn't want to fix. But anyway, >> yes. Yes. >> Okay. Thank you very much for
volunteering and for your service. >> Um the select board update with Karen Rose Gillis. >> Hi everybody. Um the biggest news is trash. So I'm going to keep it on my topic. My favorite topic for last month. Um,
we've gone over it a couple time, couple meetings about trash and we finally resolved it this last Thursday where we had a great meeting. Um, very calm, very collected. We really buckled down and made sure it got done that night and I was really happy with how it turned out.
I'm not happy that it's cost more for less, don't get me wrong. And nobody's happy, but that means it was a good session because, you know, there's no winners or losers. Our trash will get picked up and that's the most important part of it. So, um, does anybody want to know the details about the trash or did
everybody watch? I don't know. >> Well, it's very good that Carlo picked that up, that issue about the, >> you know, he it really was. And it was, it was kind of a hidden thing that I don't think anybody noticed, including them. And so, it's kind of like that's
kind of a big thing. The issue was, not to get too technical, two different vendors, they had their RFP proposals they were to submit and and it was based on we had always been under the belief that or everyone in town can rent an extra trash
can every year for $240 if you need it, but you can get an extra free recycling thing for nothing. And it turns out that um Waste Management did a calculation based on the number of barrels or households that there are and I'm
probably don't quote me and and every barrel above that was going to cost us more money. Whereas the um so that their final figure wasn't really legitimate to the number of trash barrels we actually have. >> And not through any of their fault. I
think it was kind of one of those nuance things in the contract. And then um Republic it was for however many cans we have. Do you know what I mean? It wasn't going to cost nearly as much. And so that was kind of the discrepancy that Carlo picked up during the meeting that had gone by everybody. And so that was a
pretty big I think that was a deciding factor between the two vendors. Um because price-wise, you know, they all kept going back and forth and and brought it really really close. But I think that amongst a couple other things brought it. So we're sticking with our same trash company so there won't be any
transition. They're still picking up leaves. >> They will still pick up leaves. Um I read something today and don't quote me. Um the only real negative part is there'll be no pickups um street side of burnable items or metal, but the town
has will be able to provide some drop off things at the DPW for burnable type things. And so, and I do think that we can kind of create a couple other things during the year that will still cost us some money, but it would probably be less than if if you decided to throw 10 things a year out next year trash and
pay $30 a piece. Um, and we did get them to come down in the price per item for burnable and um small metal, which was big because um Republic had very high individual items. >> I didn't even know we could do burnable
>> chairs. Burnable is more like chairs. you anything that you could technically burn. So anything with related mattresses have really >> they haven't before. It's been $110 per mattress. >> You have to pay for it. >> Yeah. No, you want to get rid of
anything now. But >> that was my >> And that's not something that we, you know, mattresses cost money, but you can put out one, you know, big items now, but we can't we can no longer. You won't be able to later unless you pay for it so you can arrange with them and they come pick it up. >> Okay.
>> But you know they have good communication systems. No. Type in the computer and have them come by your house. If there's a missed pickup, you enter it and they come get it. >> So they promise not to go on strike. >> They're not union.
>> That's why the other So I don't know if anyone has any questions. It was like the first thing I think that and it's definitely me because I'm new, but the first big big thing that the group has had to negotiate um that didn't have to go to to the meeting to
go to when you think about it a lot of stuff goes directly to the town and this one did not. So other than water rates and things like that, this is a big effect. >> So that's pretty much it. Great. Thank you. >> All right.
Next item, the operation plan for recal which includes a presentation. >> Yes. Um we can hold questions up until the end. I know Emily has a hard stop at >> a small child that needs to be fed.
>> Yes. >> So both are >> Oh shoot, we should >> um so anyhow >> um just our two guests are I don't know why I call you guess. I don't know. Um, Emily and John, I I just want to make sure we're respectful of their time, so
we'll get into this, ask questions, um, and go from there. Great. Um, Jenna's going to have a slideshow. >> Yeah, I can't do full screen because it won't move to the next slide, so you're gonna have to just >> Okay. >> Yeah. Sorry.
>> All right. Next slide. >> Yes. >> All right. So, policies and pro procedures. The policies and pro procedures at the Reading uh Center for Active Living ensure a safe, equitable, and effective environment for both users and staff while also maximizing the
cent's positive impact on community well-being. uh they provide a structured framework that guides daily operations, manages risks and ensures fair access and consistent service delivery to all members of the
um it's hard um policies I think everyone understands is just so important. Um and they they also protect us at the same time. >> Could I just ask a question? Are we just going to do the same thing we've already read? >> What's that? Are we going to just do the
same thing that we've already read? >> What do you >> I mean, I think we're all familiar with this. We've all read it. >> Yeah, we're all >> Do we need to go over it again? >> I think it's worth walking >> and summarizing >> and just summarizing >> for the public, I guess.
>> Yeah, this is the first time that we're actually seeing anything in writing um for the operations plan. So, I'm assuming we want to >> and we're going to we're not going to read through. I just want to make sure we read through that first page.
>> And most speakers end up living and elaborating. >> Anyhow, the next slide as you can see existing policies and procedures right there. That just shows what we have um going, you know, volunteer volunteers,
property tax workers, emergency rentals, transportation. And so that just gives you an idea of what we've already been using for multiple years. So feel free to take a glance at that round. >> Next slide. >> Oh, sorry. >> Which fields permitting?
>> Oh, that's for recreation. >> For recreation. >> Okay. >> Uh, next slide, Jenna. >> All right. As you can see on the left top side there, forms drafted for the COA. Uh tonight we're going to be going over program participation policy, standards of independence, your rental
policy, fitness equipment. So those will be the three bullet points that we're going to go a little bit more into depth here in just a second. Draft forms still being worked on. You can see on the lower left side right there, those are things that are still we will talk about in the future. Um so we're still
discussing them. Um and those will be rolled out. existing forms again on the right side right there you can see property tax worker volunteer application recreation scholarship program part-time employee application social services intake forms so I mean
the big thing with that right there is we have a lot of forms that we use that are already existing and we have a lot of policies um so that's the big thing right there to keep in mind so we're going to proceed with the three
bullet points that we had on top left there. >> Sure. So, um I'm I'm Jenna Wood and I'm going to just be presenting really quick about the draft membership packet. So, um and what is specifically in this packet? So, this is when someone is
online registering for the first time or they come into the recal center, they'll get this packet which is, you know, a little bit overwhelming, seven pages, but um I think a little bit more maybe give or take. But this is the form that will give them all the information they
need. So, and give us the information that we need for their safety and for um their medical information and all that good stuff. So, the membership packet that you have is the family one and we will be creating an individual one that
specifies um certain things that someone would have as an individual. So, for our 60 plus population, Chris and his team have already went over several different things that they'd like to include in that individual packet. Um, especially for the 60 plus, like do you live alone?
Um, are there any medical conditions you want us to know about and a variety of a list of other things? Um, and we will be making that individual packet and that's just the front page that will be different from the one that you saw and we can get that over to you once we've
we um dive deep into what um Elder Services wants and even Will would like some information on there too if someone's um an individual and a veteran and are you interested in getting assistance? Are you interested in meeting with the veteran services officer? Things like that. Um, and on
the second page you of the draft membership packet, you would see there's going to be an intro. Again, something that we're going to be working on and we'll get you for your feedback, but it's going to be an intro on what recal
is, how how we got here. Um, some key um could be the mission and the vision statement and the guiding principles. um just welcoming people into the the building, giving a rundown of what the space will be, but again, that's going
to be a little bit more detailed. And we didn't dive deep into like the summary that it will be, but that's what we want to kind of lead into all of these different policies and procedures, which will then be the participation policy that you saw, the general policies,
all the liability and consent forms, um your your photo consent form, the standards of independence, which are extremely important to 60 plus population, and Chris's team. Um those were adopted by the Council on Aging and the town manager's office. So those do
need to be in this packet. Very important. The indoor walking track policy and the sign off. And like I said, the um forms can be filled out online or in person. And then you'll see on the right hand side, we just put some of the things that we kind of brainstormed
um in our subgroup just about different various things in regard to what's in the draft membership packet. And this is kind of what we want to go over tonight after we go through is just hey what are your brainstorms from looking at this information.
Anything you want to add any suggestion suggestions you have and we might not have all the answers tonight but we definitely want to revisit it and add it or change it um as we go along and then we can always come back to it and send
out updated drafts and things like that. So the next slide is a draft fitness equipment room packet and I'll turn it over. >> So can I just ask are we gonna discuss these? >> Yeah. So at the end
your comments. Yeah. >> So um as Chris mentioned we have a lot of existing policies and procedures and then there are a few that are going to be coming up that we need to start from scratch and this was kind of one of them. So, um, in the recal, you know, there's going to be this new fitness
equipment roof and we had a lot of thoughts and questions about how are we going to manage access, how who who is allowed to go in, is there a membership fee, what is the membership fee, all of that good stuff. Um, and so in the packet that you guys got, I think Jenna
sent all of these things to you guys a little ahead so you could see. Um, but some of the questions we consider like how are we going to know if someone, you know, has paid? So, how are we going to manage that access? Do we need a key tag for the front door and a second one for
the fitness room? You know, these are kinds of the the brainstorming we did to kind of come to where we where the draft is now. Like Jenna said, you know, we're really interested in feedback of like how will this work for you all when you're starting to use this equipment room. Um, one of the questions that came
up for the fitness room in particular, you know, is there a liability in just saying here you go, go use the weights, right? Like, so do we need somebody who's there to orient someone or is it okay to have a video orientation? Like, how do we let some somebody know what is this equipment? How do I use it safely?
How do I use it properly? Um, and then, you know, we talked about supervision in the room. You know, in in the Y there's, you know, a couple of trainers walking around like, will we have somebody will we have staff that is there or is it the front desk staff kind of does it does some rounds and walks around. So, these
are the kinds of the questions that came up. um you know adding this new resource to town that we've never managed before. Um you know so we kind of came up with a draft we we started with a draft from another town that has something similar and kind of made it our own. So we'll be really interested to hear your feedback
and questions on on those policies as you see yourself um using this these equipment. >> I tried to be brief. >> Good job. So, um the last packet that um we sent
out to folks to look at is the rental packet. Um I think we people know we obviously have a a rental policy today. Um but this is going to be a bit more comprehensive. Um so we did actually look at um not only what are exists
today, we actually looked at what the library does as an example and we even looked at a whole bunch of other communities and how they manage that. And um I will say this one was a challenge to kind of pull it all together because it would had stuff all over the place. Um so um I tried to we
tried to coordinated it into a into a comprehensive approach um kind of describing the policy the the procedures for how you go about renting a room and then what are the things that each person has to u attest to as part of that. Um there was a lot of
conversations about um we talked about um where does food are we allowed to bring in food? Who has access to the to use the kitchen? What can be done in the kitchen? Um how does the person responsible for the rental um have to
attest to the participants and manage all of that? Can they charge for bringing people in? There's a whole bunch of policy related things embedded in this that um I think we've made some initial um assessments on, but this is definitely an area where we want some
some more feedback. Um and then we talked about this. I mean, there's things in there about um insurance certificates for groups that are bringing things in that are going to be using certain areas in the community in in the rooms. Um but versus um somebody that might want to have a birthday party
or a small meeting in the small group, there may be different um requirements for that that that we have to consider. Um there's an initial set of fees. There's a fee schedule that that's in there for for conversation, but I think that's really more of a town staff
decision, but the short story is we've tried to put all that information together for folks to take a look at. So um last um pieces on on all of these um we have to understand how do we once we do come to conclusions on these how
do we communicate the policy um we we do expect to have these as Jenna was saying packets for people to fill out whether it's for signing up for the for the for recal whether it's wanting to rent a room or whether it's wanting to use the fitness center these things will be
available for folks. We'll have written copies. We're hoping to put as much of this stuff online as possible. Um cut down on the use of paper where where where possible. Um how is the policy enforced? Um so that's going to be fall to the responsibility
of um town staff and that are responsible for recal. Um and they'll need to come up with a an approach for what is what does a policy violation result in? Um you know, and how does one um approach that? and define it. Um, so
that's still something that's uh up for conversation, but I think it's important that we recognize there should be some uh policy on that in particular. And then um I think the last piece is actually one of the most important and I I think I said this the last time we were here. Um none of us expect these
policies to be perfect. Um so we will um expect to review them on a regular basis most likely every year um going through from a recal perspective. And uh one thing I heard mention just so from Jenna's perspective um these policies
cover multiple areas. It isn't just COA. There's some there's some wreck stuff. There may be other things that are impacted. So the policy review process is going to have to be a little bit more broader in terms of who gets to look at which policies to review because it it
may they may not just all be you know in the perview of COA but they may be other groups um responsible. So we just have to think about how to do that. And I I think as long as we recognize that that's that's an important step in this as well. >> Yeah. And just to piggyback on that, if
there is something on the list of existing policies or procedures or something that you see in this particular slide, I think it's going to pop up again. um something that like so the forms for therapeutic rack maybe we
won't present that formally here but if you have a special interest in that please let me know and you can come in and meet with me as as an aside or meet with Chris or meet with the recreation administrator because it'd be impossible
to go over all of these forms in detail but we can give you what we have so you can look at it even if we don't go over it in a formal meeting and if there's like some suggestions you want to make or again want to have those private meetings with staff if you have a
special interest that would be great. Um so we're open to all the help that we can get really. So um and I think did you have anything else with your >> No. Okay, great. And then the last one is just the updated timeline. We hope to
present um some programming things in the next meeting. Um hopefully we have everything buttoned up to present at the next meeting. I'm not quite sure when your meeting date is. I'm sure you'll discuss that later, but um hopefully we can get that buttoned up and um if we
can't maybe we can move it to early December at to your next meeting. So it's just the same timeline as it was before. We're on track and we can open it up for discussion. John,
>> I've got one question on the um programs form and two questions on the the uh the gym or the recre the gym for the question I have on on this participation form. At this one point it
says um also I consent the publication and distribution of photographs or videos taken of me or my children by the releases during the participation of town reading community services program. What's the thinking behind that? That
some someone signs this and then all of a sudden their child or or their picture winds up someplace that they might not want. >> Right. So in that case, if they don't want that, then they would have to opt out of signing that. And that's something that we actually discussed in
our last meeting, I think, is making that a little bit more broad, just saying, are you comfortable with this policy, opt in or opt out of photographs. So we'll know that whoever is coming in participating in a program at Raal, if they have not released their
photo consent, that we know that we can't use it. So they wouldn't >> Did you ever think of if you took the photos checking with them first whether you can release it? >> Well, that would be in the packet in the initial packet. They'll have to figure that out when they sign up. So we'll
know right when they sign up and it'll be under their account. >> So I mean maybe I didn't express myself correctly. Say you take a picture of them and you want to use it, but before you use it, you go to them and say, "Is it okay if we use this picture?" Did you
think of that option? >> Well, I assume that there's probably going to be a lot of pictures being taken. >> So, >> it's always good to get consent first before you take a photo and then go get consent. >> It's a liability thing. Most
organizations when you know require you to actually sign off on photo consents. But to Jenna's point, if you say, "Hey, I want to opt out of it." I think the town does have to respect that. But I think at least getting that out there is the first thing. And to your point, John, if if people's are taking photos,
then they should be aware that that if they don't want their photo taken or if the parents don't want their photo taken in that case. I mean, I'm I'm pretty sure Reading Wreck does something similar. Um, >> yep, we do. >> I mean, I I most of the organizations that that I've been involved in with our son would do have the same thing and
say, "Hey, you need to have a you have to have an authorization." So, I don't think it's an unusual thing, John. Um, >> okay. and my two questions on the other form um for the for using the equipment. >> What form was that that you just
referred to? >> The membership forms. >> Yeah. So I can actually >> it's part of the packet >> part of the membership. Yeah. >> So the question >> three or four >> that that I have on on the on the gym
form. Did you consider having the person have to have their doctor sign off before they use the equipment and that it be mandatory that they get trained on the use of the equipment? I I'm just bringing this up because I just signed up to use the equipment in Wilmington and I had to have my doctor give the
okay and I have to be trained by a trainer. I hear I see in this thing it says you have the option to be trained by a trainer. I think it should be mandatory. >> Yeah. And we did actually ha have it as mandatory to begin with. But then there was some brainstorming going on that
some people because it won't just be 60 plus using the equipment and some 60 plus folks can go into the gym and be fine and know what to do and know the equipment. So, um, would people be upset if they had to go through a mandatory
orientation and then would we have trouble getting someone, a personal trainer for example, to come in and give them the rundown of the equipment and how to use it? So, but we we did start off like that. >> Yeah. What about the doctor's form? What
was your thoughts on on not having that? So on the um form, the fitness equipment room form, there is something that says that at any time we can ask someone to go through an orientation
or um be required to tell them that they need a doctor's note to continue. So if we see like someone falls, God forbid, or someone looks a little shaky on the equipment, um we we have the right as staff members to tell them like, "Hey,
you need to do an orientation." Look at me and handing me the doctor's appointment right away. Think about it. >> Can we have to also think that this would be I mean, I would be insulted if someone had
>> I'm in the 60 plus, right? So, you know, it's kind of either way. >> I I just think it's maybe a little bit more protection for the town that the doctor has said it's okay. >> I mean, I can't remember. Sorry. Is there language in there
sort of suggesting this point that that you need you're taking personal responsibility for your >> Yeah. So, I thought that's >> we have the reliability release form like we do now. the center. If you sign up, you sign it on the computer.
>> Um, we don't do doctor's forms, but even at the center now, if someone if we know someone has gotten outside of the center, if they get injured or something, I have requested a form from the doctor um before they return um just to make sure they are good to return.
>> Jenna, did you say you have a current photography policy >> in wreck? Yeah, there's there's like a general photo consent form and liability figured. >> Yeah. >> And and we have that at the PSC now, too. If you sign up on the form that gives the emergency contact, if you read
down below, it says the same thing, you know. Yeah. >> To give us permission to take your photo. Also, you know, I think the staff, I think Jenna would agree too, a lot of times, like if I take photos of a group, >> I usually ask too. I let them know before I take a photo. Like 99% of the
time I'm like, "Hey, it's okay. I'm gonna take a photo if you'd like to opt out if you don't mind maybe stepping to the side or I'll try to get a different angle." >> Yeah. >> So, >> I'm sure with some things in Wreck >> when you got a whole team out there and stuff, it's much harder to do that kind
of a thing, but you have the general policy already. So >> back on the training, people have belonged to a lot of wise over the years and almost everyone has required that you go to a equipment orientation before
you're allowed to use it. It's 20 minutes and I'm really nice person. Makes you feel like you know how to do all this stuff. But I always learn something. You mean there's a right way to hold your arms. There's a right way to hold your legs. There's a right way to set settings. And there's a wrong way. And you're not going to guess it on
your own. So I I see it as a free and it's free. So I see it as a free benefit of Y membership and common sense in terms of safety. Um the doctor's note I think is more discretionary than someone could be 15. You know it happens every
year. We hear some poor 15year-old falls over dead on the football field. No one know. How would you know? You know how would they know? They don't. But but the learning how to use equipment that you're going to sit and use that could be dangerous if if you used it wrong. It's just common sense.
>> And are you proposing in your your form or your policy that um this applies to all age groups? >> Yes. >> Whoever wants to use the fitness room should go through this orientation. >> Yes. >> Yeah.
>> 18 plus. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I'm just curious about that. 18 plus and I don't know if this is where we're opening up for discussion or not. >> Which which 18 plus? It's a lot of it's all over the place. >> I know. >> And I'm curious why we're doing 18
>> as opposed to what? >> Maybe 21. >> Oh, okay. Because we've also got zero to three and something else. >> Oh, yeah. For the walking track and things like that. >> Yeah. >> Well, and that's up for discuss. >> That's another issue. Yeah.
>> Yeah. So are you questioning like what are you questioning specifically about the age? >> I'm just questioning in terms when you're an adult is 18 plus. So that's kind of what we went by >> is okay. >> Right.
>> It is when you're an adult you're considered an adult at 18, >> I think. So you're a legal adult. >> You can move out of your house on your own. We ask you can you can sign for yourself and your parents can no longer
make decisions or anything. >> They can't talk to you. >> It's too early. It >> should be 21 >> 35. >> So does that mean to 17 can't just go into the workout room on
their own? >> Right. >> Okay. They got their own thing going. >> Yeah. Yeah. They wouldn't be allowed inside that room at all. >> I do have a question, John. You signed up for the fitness room in Wellington. Did it cost? >> No. >> See, that's the other thing I'm
wondering about too is >> the same question. >> The cost will it be no cost but 60 plus and it's under 60 that it will cost? >> I I think that's what should be proposed on the table personally. Yeah. that in
reading it should be um free for 60 plus or a minimal minimal payment or you're going to have to go by income guide guidelines because there's a lot of people that can't afford $60 a year even
to to do this. to some of us maybe that's not very much. But um we really have to figure out how that's going to affect the seniors who might want to have an option to use the gym. My inclination
I mean this whole building replaces the senior center. So my inclination is that becomes a freebie for the uh 60 plus population. on that. Go ahead. >> I was gonna say on that line, I would
like to understand I'm thinking I'm not criticizing it. I just like to understand it about >> why we need fees for things. >> Sure. >> I mean, in the building itself, it's going to be paid for because we're borrowing the money. Poof. It's paid for, >> right? >> Um staff, I keep hearing we're not at
the moment expecting more staff. So, standard budget item, poof, paid for. I mean, yeah, maybe a little bit of equipment and stuff and there'll be heating and water that would be more because it's a bigger building, but I'd like to understand how that translates into which things do we really need to
be charging a fee for and not and why is that necessarily I don't know, again, I'm not saying it's bad. I just don't understand yet. Why is that the burden of the people who choose to use it as opposed to, you know, roads I'm never going to drive on while I still have to pay taxes that are going to make sure
there are good roads and schools my kids that I don't have are never going to set foot in. I pay for because it's it's a community asset that people can choose or not choose. And I I just would like to understand how that translates into what we're thinking about charging for
not. Plus remember I know the ARPA money is going to go away but in the past the COA has um subsidized a lot of activities and I would expect that will start again. I would just like to understand the finances. >> Sorry. >> Oh go you go.
>> Um keep in mind it's only been we've only been using ARPA up until 11 months ago essentially last November. Um we've always charged we've the PSSE has always had fees especially for like exercise classes. Um so if you gone you know it's
it was about five bucks if you go to like Zumba or line dancing or >> so all the all the exercises before um were fees. >> Um >> okay. >> Yep. And it was only last November is
when we went to a free because of the ARA we had a >> so it hasn't so keep in mind >> um it's been just less than a year where we >> we haven't had fees I just want to understand
>> mostly for exercise >> before the pandemic when we had elder services there is always a suggested donation to feed >> community lunches >> right >> um but then on top of that We kept a lot of the things like the trust funds like birthday lunch trust funds kind of
covered the movie and pizza and then some other activities throughout and then we kind of compensated with operation >> special things that brought entertainment in the age usually. So, so I just want to make sure we all know that there has
pretty much always been a fee for not everything, >> right? >> But for a good portion, >> right? >> So, just keep that in mind. >> Right. Well, that's exactly what I'm asking. I just need to understand that and >> especially when we're getting into the rec things that I have no knowledge of what that's
>> and after and that ARPO is kind of running out. So, we are going to have to go back to those fees. I know we've discussed this um and we're getting to that. We're getting close to that again where we will there will be some fees. >> But when we get to the things like the exercise room, those were I think a
little bit more substantial. >> Yeah. And and since especially since we don't have trainers that will be there. >> And that's that's the other thing too. So a lot of other commun like some communities don't charge, some communities do charge. >> Um need I got had a really cool model
when we visited there that that's a senior center only. But they charged the fees and then they would they took all the fees, they went to a revolving fund and then they did hire personal trainers to come in and offset that. So there was
someone that was able to go in and monitor the room and assist people on a day-to-day basis and they have it until this day. You know, they have people come in and monitor that room. Um the other thing with the fee based um was
that we know that if something's free, everyone's going to go. So it's kind of like a control thing too because the room's not all that big. But I think to NY's point, um I don't necessarily think like 60 plus free and the rest of folks
have to pay, although that's an option for sure. Um, but I think maybe like a discount, you know, if it's of a regular if >> discount the income, you know, the income guidelines apply to that. >> Yeah. And we do need to generate some
type of, you know, revenue in the building to offset costs, you know, because there's going to be cleaning equipment in there. There's going to be paper towels. People are going to they're going to have to be inspections. If people do want an orientation, we have to pay the trainer. So there are
different fees that >> equipment breaks. >> Yeah. That have to be offset by something. >> Jean, I see you. But first, Kate and then you. Okay, Jean. >> That's what I >> Chris to your point that there used to be fees which I remember. Um I didn't
realize the switchover had been so recent. >> Um >> did you see any change in participation? Because let me just say to NY's point earlier when I used to look and see what the fees were and they were small but
when I would think about them okay so if I want to do say like two exercises classes a week and then in a month that means this much coming out of my budget. I used to wonder what then was the impact of that on some of our seniors. Again, we've got to
write uh demographic spread of income in our seniors and because we don't have more fine-tuned data around that point, I don't know how many were affecting with even a small charge and I wondered just
from this experience, did you see a change in attendance? I mean, it's that's a challenging question to answer because >> Emily, Emily, can you mute yourself? She's picking up somebody.
>> Um, it's a very challenging question to answer. I I see what you're saying. Um, of course, if you go free, numbers always tend to go up a little bit. That's just I mean, >> common sense. Um
now when we start to charge what's going to happen? >> Yeah, that'll be an interesting >> it's going to it's we're gonna we're going to know a lot. >> Um you know my guess is things will dip a little bit but at the same time you know we run a very good system and
programmings and a senior center that people really like to be there. Um, so I, you know, do I think it's going to dip down to prepandemic levels? I think we not as much. I think it'll dip a little bit,
but I don't think it's, you know, and and I could be totally off on this. I mean, I have no we start to, you know, you never know until you start charging again. >> Well, and the other question isn't just how many, it's who. Did we change the people, right? If you see a change in
the people again, then that tells us something. >> And I don't know again if you have can see that enough to be able to comment on it. You'd have to be looking at the exercise classes and see who's there and who's not and stuff. But I was just curious.
>> I I think that's very important though that we track that information and it should be part of the process. Y >> so that and a lot of that can be done because we do have the passes now. >> Yeah. um and people do use them
to the computer. So I think it's very important to track that because it is a piece of information we don't have now. We might have it visually but we don't have hard concrete data. >> We doc just doesn't have it off.
>> Well, if you look at we're going to know really quickly. If you look at the PSC report, health, wellness, and fitness, >> we're, you know, if there's a dip, we're going to be I can easily track. I mean, we have hard facts right here like if that number goes down when we start to
ch charge, >> more than likely that, you know, there's a correlation. >> That would be really good if because I haven't seen that information in there in that report. So, >> no, it's always it's been in every >> Oh, it just has overall by month and
combined. >> Yeah, but this is like Yeah. I mean, you could narrow it down. >> Yeah. >> But this is like all the fitness classes. >> Yeah. And that's what I think when we need to >> we could break it down further if you want. >> We need to break it down further to look at it. Jean
>> Jean, you can unmute yourself. >> Hi. Okay. A couple of questions. I was reviewing the registration form, the draft one, and we're talking about uh 18 and plus registering for this new
facility, but I have not and maybe you're going to be putting it in. Is there a time frame for those that are younger than 60 plus to come and use this facility or is this
going to be from 8 on? Yes. So >> that's me. Sorry. Um, so if there's a program that's a child signs up for, their parent signs up for, obviously they'll be in the building at that time. Otherwise,
they would only probably be in the building when there's like open gym time or if they're going to walk the track with their parent or go to an intergenerational program, something along those lines. But I thought there was at one point,
it was brought up several times with this A and B concept that we first started out with that the seniors would be from 8:30 say to three and then opened up to the other resident age bracket
>> all ages. >> Yeah. No, that that wasn't presented at town meeting. >> Um There was no there was we've discussed this several times about the designated hours versus
the designated spaces and there was never a commitment to make it 60 plus only from 8:00 to 3:00. >> I guess we'll have to >> so basically so if I may so then
this is really not going to be just a an AB concept with a senior center. Am I right? According to the town, that's what it sounds like. Correct. >> Well, there'll be designated spaces for the 60 plus, which we have talked about before and that will be presented next
month in the programming schedule in the programming policy. >> Um, and there'll be priority programming in the rest of the rooms as well. So, if there's a certain day and Chris needs every single room in recal from 8 to 3 for the 60 plus, then that's what will
happen. >> All right. But then >> staff will work together. >> But we're speaking right now you in previously that you were mentioning about uh the fitness room and equipment. There was one point I thought for the uh
equipment. We were probably only going to be starting out with three pieces of equipment. So if we up the budget to acquire additional equipment >> Oh, I don't remember only being budgeted for three pieces of equipment. Joel said
it at a PBC meeting that there were two pieces of >> We were all We were all there. >> Interesting. Okay. Well, I can double check on that tomorrow, >> but yeah, that's not my impression. My impression is that there'll be a couple bikes, a couple ellipticals, a couple treadmills,
but they're not in the budget. >> Yep. Okay. I'll tomorrow. I think we should Yeah, we should stay on the ta the task though. My, if I may, my concern was twofold with the registration form. I think
something needs to be stated within the document that if the facility is used by the seniors that those people that signed up and paid a fee that they think they can come at any time, that needs to be
clarified. Well, people aren't paying a fee to come into the building. They're paying a fee for the programming and for the a fitness equipment room. >> So, if someone comes up comes in and gets a recal key tag, they can come in
and walk the walking track at any time. They can come in during open gym hours. Um, things like that. And then all the other programming fees they'll have to sign up for the actual program >> and you're gonna build this room as a sort of program.
>> So that's Yeah, that'll be a separate separate fee. People can go in at any time. Yeah. >> Is there a consideration though that the fitness track be um uh programmed at certain times just for the senior
community? I mean, when you've got an 18y old on that track and a 35y old on that track and then I saw strollers being allowed on the track. I mean, that's pretty dangerous. And um >> yeah, wouldn't seem dangerous, but yes,
if you look at the walking um policy, it does state that the track will be closed for the community during designated programming times. So, it could be Wreck that runs a program on the track. It could be 60 plus walking club that has a
um designated program from 9 to 11 on a Monday. Um and then it would we would post it. >> So one of the things that I think the Council on Aging would be looking for is dedicated programs on the track that
people can then walk into and and use without um >> Sure. Yeah. We've talked about that. Yep. And that's on the policy too. There'll also we >> agree >> there'll also be things like I mean remember for seniors this what we have
is the gathering place for seniors that doesn't mean there's a program particularly now that we're going to have a lounge >> um and other like the art room the thought was people would keep it locked and people could go in when they wanted and work on their work independent of
classes. So sure that's not program time. So this is just >> sign in with your >> tech and go where you want and do what you want. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> Yep. That that that's my understanding too. >> Okay. >> That someone who's 60 plus can come in
and scan their key tag and go hang out in the lounge. >> A dedicated senior. >> Yeah. Right. >> Well, and the and and it'll be designated on the programming schedule too that it's drop in art. Like you can't just come in on any day you want and if it's open, go sit. It'll be like
drop in art because we'll know that the the >> So that will be interesting to see how you put that together the programming because that's really really important for the senior community. >> Yeah. No, I agree. >> But the lounge is going to be drop in
lounge time. It's going to be anytime you want. >> Yes. Right. Okay. >> Agreed. >> Okay. But also, you know, the lounge will be the space where if you have an activity, >> that's where they can they when all the seniors come an hour early, >> you know, to wait, you know, they can go
wait in the lounge. I mean, that's one of our biggest issues now is >> and I would hope that as you see in um Wilmington and other places, >> there's some over there for tomorrow morning waiting right now when it's not. This is another place that people go in and find people who want to knit will
just grab their coffee, go in and they'll sit in their multi-purpose room and they'll knit away. And it's one of the things that makes it spontaneous and welcoming for people. >> We saw that in North End over there playing some games,
>> right? But again, it's it's not programmed time, >> right? The building, the staff, no one knows it's about to happen. It's just >> this is >> right. And there will be some rooms that are like that in nature. Okay. But probably not every room. >> No, not every room. >> Yes. Okay.
>> There's it it depending on how what the increase is and participation, you might have you might find that more of these rooms are being for just such that activity. And um um I just think it's
really important to um program that in so it blocks the times like the puzzles right now. I don't know where that happened. Upstairs in the kitchen. >> Okay. So the puzzles happen. So that means that a lot of the rooms and we
really only have four rooms. Four rooms >> dedicated dedicated rooms. We're not calling the um gym a dedicated space and we're not calling the kitchen area a dedicated space. We never really were.
We were talking about those those four rooms, which one now is fitness room for all ages. So, we're kind of going backwards. >> How did that become for all ages? >> No, the fitness equipment room.
>> The fitness equipment. Yeah, that's always been for all ages. >> But there's no at town meeting. It was all >> meeting is not the all being everything. It's one of many presentations. >> And if we had done that, we might have
stood up and said no. >> Can I just point out sandwich pretty much restricts it to 18 and over and No, actually no. All ages are welcome, but youth under 18 must be supervised by an adult. So, we
>> in the gym. >> No, it's in the gym and on the walking track. >> And we have that in the on the walking. >> I didn't see them supervised. I saw a different language. I saw something about a responsible adult being there. That doesn't mean they're being supervised. >> Yeah.
>> Over over 15 in one place, they they can be independent. Let me open up the um indoor walking track policy here really quick >> because that's something that's on there. I don't think the gym has has a associated policy, >> but I assume that we
>> have 15 on something. I don't remember which one. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Ages 15 plus must may use a track independently. Hold on, let me share it. Am I still on the Zoom? >> Hold on a sec. Where's my Zoom? Okay,
there I am. Let's pull this up. >> I think this is all new for everybody and really putting, you know, really discussing this and I think the operations plan >> that will be released next week, next month >> is going to be much lengthier
discussion, but I think >> get into the program soon. >> Yes. Because we have different understandings >> as a COA than than town does. >> I think it would be helpful for a number
of us to I mean you've had months to work on this and you've done a great job. You've come a long way. Not criticizing. We're just trying to understand and suggest the discussion. But I think afterwards we need to take some time to digest what we're hearing here because there are some surprises.
Sure. And write it up and share it. And I do want to encourage people to look at town meeting again too. And if there's certain points in the presentation where you think something was said that is different from what is in here, please point it out. Send me the send us the
link. Send us the time because we do have to pay attention to what we presented to the public. >> But that's because this is what people voted on in our community. >> So that's what they voted on. So things things can be flexible and programming
can be flexible and things like that, but designated hours and things like that, that's where you get into a slippery slope and you really do just have to pay attention to >> Let's go back and look at But it's not just >> But here's the walking track policy.
>> Y >> um so the track is free of charge. We do have a non-resident fee that we can implement and 0 to 12 must be accompanied by an adult to walk the track. Ages 13 and 14
may use the track independently but an adult must be in the building. So, you know, if like mom is, >> you know, at Zumba or something, but their child wants to walk the track, >> they're not supervised. >> And then age 15 plus may use the track independently
>> and they're not supervised. I I I think that I know you like sandwich. I would revisit sandwich. I think they have a lot of good policies. >> I did use a lot of sandwich, but you can't see it. >> You can't suggest we can bug about it. >> This the particular ages. I didn't that
was something that we went over as a group. So, and I looked at multiple other different places like even across the country and what they do. But what it comes down to is we've got a facility that we have promised the community is priority for seniors. We've been told on
numerous meetings that there isn't children's programming. It's come up many times. Um I don't agree with that. We'll >> find a children's programming. >> We It's been said to us
>> and um >> we need to understand what we're doing. I don't I bet there's not another community center in the state that has priority for senior programming. There are lots of community centers that include some senior programming. Maybe a
lot, but it's not priority. It's a different situation and we need to make sure that what we promised the town, which is that we get priority is what's happening. And and I think the other >> I think because we are the representation of the 60 plus community.
We are, you know, we are we are >> and as someone said earlier, I forget it was Nancy or who I mean >> this building is replacing the current senior center. So that in and of itself >> carries a message about what the purpose of this building is. Yes, it's larger
than that. >> Yes. >> But the spirit of the fact that this was presented as a replacement for is an important one to keep in mind. And it's not only a replacement poor, it's
solving the problem that was identified 12 years ago now that it's not nearly big enough that there's a much bigger demand than what we are able to meet with that building. >> So do you have an issue? >> We're fixing that hopefully. >> So I think too instead of like getting like way too into the weeds right now is
that you focus on what you don't like about those ages and what you would like to change about those ages specifically. Like are you saying that you just want it to be 18 plus? Are you saying like you know is it just the designated programming for the 60 plus?
>> Personally what I'm saying is I want to make sure we've taken care of number one on the business which is making sure that the priority is there throughout the building to meet the need of seniors. What happens beyond that to my mind they're welcome. So I'm a little concerned about the younger kids. I
think having a parent somewhere in the building is very different from being I don't think it's supervised and I saw sandwich and I said yes I'm not crazy supervised. >> I think that's like but I I think we're getting a little off topic here. Just like Jenna said
>> like let's let's just take I mean I we keep going down into the weeds a little bit. Let's just if we look at this let's like write down what our concerns are with >> we will >> Yeah. And >> we will >> and then present them. We will. >> So we will.
>> So if so tonight we especially address membership, fitness room and rentals and we started the conversation about those operations but next month is when the operations plan will be >> programming >> um for programming will be shared with us >> right now.
>> If we can get that more than a couple days ahead of time so we really have a time that we should do that would be great. one other just wait I'm sorry >> well I I just wanted to ask one question because I'm a little confused now with
what I've heard so I'm trying to remember if in the discussion of the fitness room and the track at the moment you're saying the plan is not to have any dedicated hours in those two spaces
where the hours would be dedicated to 60 plus am I hearing that right and it would have to be like a program >> right but at the moment that's not something you've decided I'm >> Chris could put that forward as a >> we will do we will do programs like
we'll probably do >> I don't know what it's going to be I'm just going to throw an example like maybe >> like the group >> well we're going to probably do a schedule be like Monday Wednesday and Fridays from 9 to I'm just saying what you know senior walk I mean it could be
8 to 10, whatever, nine, you know, we'll schedule that in so we have dedicated space >> particularly to the wait room, the track. Um, >> okay, >> those two. >> So, that's how it would be dealt with as a programming thing. Okay, that's what I was trying to get clear, but it could be
a free form program, >> right? It could just be this fitness and fitness reserve, right? >> Just like anything else we do now, we'll revisit it. Like it's like the puzzles. You know what? We tried one thing. Numbers were a little off and we're like, you know what? People are talking
about puzzles. We're going to throw puzzles in there. >> We're going to program how many p for what? >> Do the puzzles. >> Yeah, we actually we have like four or six sometimes. >> Do you need more? >> No, we have a lot of puzzles. >> We have everybody.
And to to finish my com my only comment was when I was trying to get that clear in my head is I do think there could be an issue uh if it's not separate >> I like kids I hang out with a lot of kids
>> 13 and 14 year olds in hordes in groups and a group of two or more can get a little unruly. So, like Marilyn, I'm a little uncomfortable saying they could be up on the track by themselves as long as an adult is in the building. Um, if
it was during a time where there would be a lot of seniors using it. That's my only comment. I do think that that >> that language and depending upon how you're separating the ages is going to make a big difference when we see the final plan. We talked about that too because
during the school year there won't be those that that problem because kids will be in school. >> School vacation. >> I'm getting there. I'm getting there. But when school vacations roll around and summers roll around, we see what happens. And then if we notice that it's
like infiltrated with kids all the time because a lot of the kids in the summer, they go to summer camps. They go away. They, you know, they do a lot of things. So, we're not going to be running our summer camp at recal. Um, it's not big enough, actually. So, like the summer camp will still stay where it is. And
so, but if we do notice that there's a problem and we need to do those designated times or hours or specific programs a little bit, tighten it up, then then we'll do that and we'll revisit it. >> And lessons learned from what happened in Lexington, >> you know, we're gonna
>> so we're gonna be we're gonna be looking at all these policies. I think it's good. It seems like tonight your big concern is just the age, which is good. I mean, well, there's more, but one one of the big the age I like on the track. I'm just saying as a >> it's an example,
>> but it seems to be a concern um that we can talk about. >> Jean, last comment. >> Uh I do want to make a last comment. This was I thought we covered a lot of good topics this evening, but it was
mentioned about town meeting, but I'm also going to mention that when the town residents voted on the ballot, it said senior center recal. And that's what was voted. So, I'm I'm really concerned that
we cannot forget being a Council on Aging board member. I'm advocating for the seniors and that's all I'm going to say and thank you. >> Thank you. That's a good final comment. >> I just went back to the presentation
from last week too um last month rather and we do we did go over the different spaces and all of those things. um you know the community access to the indoor track, the fitness equipment room, all of those things. So um
>> just because we've seen it doesn't mean we've agreed to all these things. >> We're just reiterating what was has been presented in the past. time. >> But I think we're being open to what's being presented, but it doesn't necessarily mean that
>> that we are in agreement because we're waiting, you know, >> yeah, what's being proposed at last meeting things were being, >> you know, nothing was officially proposed, >> right? >> And and it's not that I my um hair in
the back of my neck goes up when I hear someone saying something like, "Tell me what you don't like about the children being there. We love children." That's not the issue. It's just making sure that we're first order of business is we're finally in this town taking care of what the seniors need. And if we can
then share the space with whoever wants, more power to us. But first is taking care of what the seniors need. And I I have one last one quick one. Um, the way we're talking about the registration process going, it it it felt to me, and
again, maybe it's just because you've only done the family one and you haven't done the individual one yet, but a really important part of what is offered in this building is social services for the entire community. I don't see those people necessarily having a membership tag. This is someone that realized or
the veterans or the veterans, they did away with SNAP. It's gone. I've got one can of peas left. I need help. These are people are going to be walking in for social services. And we had talked in early discussions about two separate
entry takers at the same desk. And I think that Sandwich was the example again or Randolph. Um because within elder and human services because you're the one that manages it, there are people who are not of the same intent of why they're there as someone who comes
to participate in a program. There are people who are coming for services. But we do just so you do know though >> currently if they come for services or >> programs we put them in the system >> right >> the same system they get registered
>> they still get >> they get registered because we have to take notes >> there's a whole process so pretty much right now anyone that comes into PSC >> okay >> like 99% of the time >> they they they put their information in
>> Okay well that's good I hope that helps Um, but it's still that's a process. That's not just a wave my tag like everybody else and I'm in the building. It's it's a separate process. It's a separate line with a different pace, a different purpose. >> But that's why we have confidential, you
know, files. But, you know, they all get put in the same way. >> Yeah, I know. I know. But I'm just saying they all get put in at the front desk, >> but then they go to wherever they need to. >> I understand. But when you got 30 people coming in to go to gym and they've got
their tags and they want to come in and go pump and off they go. That's a different pace of the line. It's a different group atmosphere from people who are like, "Am I in the right place? I'm going to need help. I'm not one of those people that's running through with
little tags." And the notion was two separate ticket takers, for lack of another word. There'll be a there'll be a place where you can go separately to swipe a card and check in. >> Yeah. >> And if you're there to sign up, you go to the right next to to a separate line
or whatever you want to call it so the person at the front desk can sign, you know, sign. >> All right. Okay. >> Yes. Just like we do now. You come in, >> if you're already signed up, you swipe at the computer right inside the door. If you're new, you walk around the corner to the front desk and we have you
fill out paper. >> All right. I I wasn't feeling it in what I read. I just wanted to make sure we've got these distinct parts. >> And this is getting down in the weeds again. >> But if I hold on, >> yes, make one comment. Yes. >> I'm sorry. I just want to make one
comment just setting expectations for the programming. And I think I said this at the last meeting, but I just wanted to be clear. >> We're not going to be here next next month or whenever it is with a programming policy that tells you exactly what's going to be in the center at each and every time. That is not the intent of the programming policy. The
intent of the programming policy is to lay out how do things get organized and prioritized and how what is the responsibility? Is there a group that's going to be doing that? How how is that all going to get structured? Good. >> So, I just just want to make sure it's clear because I don't want to set the
wrong expectation that we're going to show up with a schedule going to look at it say it. No, sorry guys. We're not doing that. >> This will get to the heart of a lot of >> Yeah. No, I I think it will. And and obviously from my view having gone through that really what's going to dictate how the center is used, right?
Um I will make this one comment having been involved in recount from almost the start. We we have discussed generated hours, but we threw that off the table from day one. I can I can attest to that. Um but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't and we've always talked about
prioritizing the senior needs in all of this. And I think that's gonna that that has to come through in the in the programming aspect. So, I think that's really what you guys are struggling with >> what you're going to tell us. >> All right. Thank you.
>> All right. >> Yes. Um, elder and human services report and the trust fund report. >> Yes. All right. So, we had a great um September. As you can see, you can look down through there. Um and just to just to
clarify if you look at these categories on the left you know these are just basic categories to keep overall statistics each of these categories can be opened up and you can see like all the programs underneath of them. So you know if it's like under health wellness
and fitness if you know you go in there under health and wellness fitness category and you will see Zumba and yoga and chair yoga and strength and balance and go on and so forth. So you know just so you know those can be broken up.
Anyhow we had a great September. Um you know as always our our our goal is to hit 3,000 plus interactions a month. So, we're at 3,048. Um, and that's duplicated, but you know, it's we're we're exactly where we need
to be and what what we can do with the Pleasant Street Center. Um, great volunteers on the bottom. Uh, Janet's doing a great job. Um, on the second page, you can see the weight list. So, we had um Labor Day
lunch. We had a weight list, beginner line dancing, not lon dancing, line dancing, sorry. Um had six, you know, fiber arts. You can see our um weight list right there. Um we officially got word from Brad Jones. We're do we he is
doing the Thanksgiving dinner. I just the other day heard from. Um, so they're going to do it on Friday, November 21st from 12:30 to 3:30, but it will not be at Hillview this time. It'll be at
Teresa's Prime in North Reading. Um and the shift for us was um we typically do it on a Saturday, but Teresa's um couldn't do it um couldn't do a Saturday that Saturday. So they bumped
us to a Friday in North Reading to I think is doing theirs on Sunday. Um so that's the only shift this year is rather than a Saturday, it's on a Friday afternoon for us. So we're but we're excited. It's one of those events all the seniors always ask us about and
wondering if it's going to happen and they really enjoy it. So, >> um Carrie has been working hard. Um um she has a lot of things coming up all during the holiday season. Carrie, our case manager. So, she's uh organizing a
little little giving tree that'll be outside of her office. Not a big one. It's just going to be a little giving tree of like 10 maybe 12 little things. Um um Carrie started a coffee talk with Carrie today um this morning at 10. Was
pretty successful. Um a lot of people don't get started, John. Um you know um you never know where the conversation goes with that. >> That's what I wondered. Is it structured or is it just questions and answers? you know, they're always supposed to be
structured in a certain way, but you know, >> takes a left. It >> it takes a lot of times it takes a really quick left turn and you know, it just goes down a lot of rabbit holes and >> is that usual that you
just remember? >> Yeah. the thing I had expressed at kind of meeting I mean at at counseling aging a few years ago when there were 15 of us and I was the only guy how hard it was to get a word in age 11 women in me John left early
>> Tom's here already John left a little early >> you need to find some other guys to drag with you >> we have men's group Wednesday so come back to men's group >> I mean it was a nice group I'm it's great that Carrie's doing it people got excited about it. It's a great number.
Um, you know, we'll see how it goes, you know, in the next couple months. A lot of times you do it a lot of people and then it drops off. So, we'll see. But, you know, I know we people signed up regardless of it if it takes a left turn and then another left and then a zigzag.
>> Is that a weekly thing then now or? >> Uh, I think it's a monthly. Okay. I think it's a monthly. Next one's in November. >> Um, but it was good. Um, so kudos to Carrie for getting that started. Um, and Carrie's also um working um starting to
work a lot on adopt a family. So there'll be a food basket um downstairs at PSC, you know, collecting food for adopt a family. So just like we did last year, there'll be a it's not out yet, so please don't show up tomorrow. Um but if you want to donate, if anyone wants to
donate some food, they can drop it off there in the box. Please, please, please check the date on the food. We prefer nothing, you know, from like 2018,
you know, it it always happens and we always have to go through it, >> but you know, please, it shouldn't be expired. >> So, I do ask that. So, it, you know, we
had another great month. Um October is turning out to be another great month. We've had a lot of lot of things. One thing um one thing that's really um we're really slammed with right now is our Shine appointments. Open enrollment started um
October uh 15th. I think it was 15. >> No, ends on December 7th. Opened on October 15th. some letter went out about a week and a half ago to I think every older adult in the world.
Um and all of a sudden we just got calls about a week and a half. It was on I know on a Friday I had you know and then Linda on the Monday got another 26 calls on the internet >> ended one of the most popular plants >> and yeah >> and we're allowed
>> and right so right now we have 48 people on the wait list that we're trying to find I it it's just it became a little bit bit of a mess and we're you know I had Stonem call me last week saying hey we have no slots Melrose has
no slots and we're just we're working with elder services and everything to try to usually get everyone in. We have fantastic shine volunteer shine counselors, you know, Duo and Woolridge
and Mike Fel, I can't pronounce his last name. >> They are both fantastic >> and they this is just a a crazy time and it's just became So that's the update on Shine. Um, just to let everyone know,
it's just madness and it'll be madness until December 7th. And my guess it will be madness afterwards, too. Um, we're trying to find a solution for that right now. It's just trying to find 78 slots
right now. >> Are you aware of all the info sessions that Blue Cross is running to deal with? Yes. Okay. Because there are >> videos people can watch, but they're also inerson meetings people can go to. The library had one. >> Yeah. >> But they've got like hundreds of them all over.
>> It's like a tutorial on what or like >> I went to I went to one when I first joined Medicare and um went to a bunch of them actually. The Blue Cross one was excellent because they didn't just answer questions about Blue Cross. They also answered questions about Medicare
and stuff. And they were extremely well trained and it's a situation where you know 20 people they're 18 will be interested in the same question. So, and it was back and forth and and they were I mean they're trying to get people to come so they're being nice to everybody.
I found it excellent. But there's a long I can send you the link if you don't. >> There's always good information but a lot of the older adults I mean even sometimes I look at it and I'm like >> I'm like
scratch my head a little bit. >> It's really >> What's that? >> My own. Yeah, >> healthcare coverage. I mean, it's overwhelming. >> It's overwhelming. And I have to say I the videos and those things are great.
Um, but it doesn't compare to actually getting in with Joanne and Mike because I have to say they are fantastic at explaining it. They can help them log in and get into the account on the computer and explain it. >> They put all your medications in the
exactly what it's going to cost at which >> drugstore. the whole nine yards. >> Yeah. And >> that that's the best. >> Oh, Joanne, is that you? >> It is me. >> Jo, I'm talking about you.
>> No video. But anyway, I just wanted to uh comment on Marilyn's point about the Blue Cross uh video. They do in fact do an excellent training session, but I have to say they are biased and it is a
very um you know concrete session that is tailored to each individual person and more times than not Blue Cross in particular their prescription drug plans are the least >> uh or the most expensive and the least
uh used. So, you know, I want to make sure that Blue Cross that video, you know, there's no need for people really to see that. It's pretty generic and as I say, it's bi biased to Blue Cross Business. That's all I have to say.
>> Jo, they're also running inerson meetings. >> Is golden. >> No, but Oh, I know. Get shine. It's absolute gold. >> That's true. So, that's true. for someone who might
>> never talk bad about Joan or Mike. >> What's next? Chris, >> can I just ask you a question? So, are there not enough volunteers? Are there because there are more people? Is that what's happening or do we have the same amount of people?
>> Joanne, correct? >> Volunteers. >> Joan, correct me if I'm wrong. Um, but I think because that letter and there was a shift in in inurance. Yeah. >> We just have a lot more because people are trying to figure out what to do.
>> Well, a friend of mine went to sign up to be a Shine counselor, but you have to go anywhere in the state. >> So, it wasn't She lives in SUS and was going to do, >> but you could be sent to Springfield. So, that's what my understanding when
she went to become a Shine counselor. The reason um the reason I think for the increase in volume this year is because of the inc incredible changes in the Medicare advantage plans and also in the
prescription drug plans. So many people unlike any other year have gotten um letters that their Medicare Advantage plan no longer is accepted by their primary care physicians. So um there
have been significant changes that have I think led to the um the increase in volume and particularly in the uh costs as well. Some of the drug plans have gone up $50 a month. Um you know they've
gone from$1 to $150 premium for a month. Um, but that that as I say is part of the reason for the increase in volume. In regard to the shine counselors, each shine council works in a region and you
are you're assigned to a spot in the region. Ours is Mystic Valley Elder Services. So, we can be assigned to any place in the Mystic Valley um catchment area, but not Springfield. Thank God.
>> Except for Mike and Joanne. Their only region is running and they are not allowed to go out that at all. Ever. Thank you, Joanne. I appreciate it. >> Thank you. >> Um uh as you can see, trust fun report.
Um I printed off the trust funds. you know, we really haven't touched them, which is good. Um, you know, that'll have to change um in the future here. Um, but, you know, they've been growing, so you can take a look at those. If anyone has any questions about them, please feel free to reach out to myself.
I'm happy to talk come in. Happy to have sit down and talk with you about it and go over this budget sheet. I'm sure Jenna's the same way. She's happy to, you know, help answer any questions. Um, but you can kind of take a look at at those >> from what they used to back in the old
days. They used to they'd be the trust people from the trust board or what whatever it is. Sorry, trust people. You know who you are. Um, they used to come annually and give an estimate based on the prior few years a rate of return
of what the expected interest would be for the coming fiscal year. And Jane used to use that to budget and plan special events for the whole year. So they'd say, you know, based on what we've got, we think you're gonna have $10,000 in interest this year, give or take. But it gave her a ballpark so
planning could be done because these events don't pop up overnight, as you know. And so it was a tool that the council on aging could use to plan and it was if you look into some of the background documents related to the trust it talks about recommending that
they have that annual give give us a ballpark of what we've got to work with that would I think be really helpful in helping us to become a more productive council on aging. We've known you know and the goal is to spend it. It's intended to go out and do good with it.
Could you send us um an email or Chris an email with exactly kind of what you just said >> and then we'll forward it to Diane. >> Okay. Okay. >> Because I know that we talked about her coming in and like talking about just the general report, right? >> But I don't know different. That's a little different.
>> I had I hadn't heard that. So that's great information to have. >> It is great. >> Yeah. So many things. So many things. That's like a broken record and make the same same comment I make every every meeting. Why can't we get the same report that comes out of the treasur's
office? It's so much easier to read. >> What the budget report on the on all the trust funds? >> Yeah, that's what comes out of munice. >> That's what comes out of munic. But but that but if but but if you go to the treasur's office and and ask for the
report on the trust fund, you get a different one that's easier to read. And I brought this I know I'm a broken record about this, but I just don't see why it doesn't happen. >> Asked for one that's easier to read. Many of us who even met with them and ask for an easier one. >> There's like once a year that we give
like a report that's a little bit more easy to read, but that's developed by Diane Morbido. Not and not something that Chris or I could do because she's a financial expert. >> It's not a standard report that you push the buttons and the dates.
>> Yes. Okay. >> I have a question but I don't know how to raise my hand. >> Just this new fangle technology. I can't figure it out. Um so I have a question. I I know that
there's an open position on the um on that board for the trust fund uh an associate position. Would it make sense for someone from our committee to sit on that board as well um just so that they
can attend the meetings and report back or is that I'm willing to do that? >> Looks like you have some time on your hands, John. I I think what that bad idea >> what that board is about is my understanding is how to invest all the
trusts and make as much money out of it. Our thing is different. Ours is how to spend the money they've made. So that kind of I mean it's useful information but it >> feel free to look into it. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Because it would be helpful
>> to have the bigger picture. >> Yeah. and someone who's a direct line of contact to >> Diane follows Diane and see if she'll give us back >> PBC update. You want to pass around your information now? >> Yeah, this was my what I did for this
was um and if it doesn't have draft written up here. It It says format summary. It should say draft. Okay, because this came out of um I copied the uh uh narrative from the whole meeting
into chat GBT and this is what came out. Yes, there are lots of areas which I could not correct. Um I'm not picking on you, but um um um it's basically the um
there's a couple of things going on here. The CBDC um CBDC did approve both the recal and pickle ball project plans and they granted a waiver for five parking spaces. I
thought that was important for everybody to know if you didn't. You'll also see in here there's this reference to 60 plus design documents and 90 plus design documents. I'm trying to figure that out. I have not seen those documents.
Although I've been told I've received the documents, but maybe I'm not looking at the right documents. So, I will continue to uh to uh figure that out. It's got to be me because of of the different levels. Um
there are some additional fire and code reviews that are going to need to be done as requested by the fire and building department. Um the budget overview that Peter did basically said
that everything was status quo. We were headed on the right track. Um and the contractor pre-qualification both for the contractors which is the general >> the general
>> uh general contractor as well as the filed sub biders from which those general contractors will be able to pull from um is an ongoing process. Pre-qualification is anticipated to be
completed by late October. Um design and construction up dates. Uh um there's uh clearance for plumbing components. Site borings for both pickle
ball and retail projects were completed and reports are under review. So basically what this is saying is it's moving forward. Um as as expected they are looking at solar energy options.
Um there's going to be a financial analysis completed within ton of one or two more months. Um operational planning um is commencing and conti and will continue which is great. Um, and they're
not and and operations. The the permanent building committee is not too concerned about the intricacies of operations, but they're glad to see that that's all happening. >> Um,
outreach and communications. They I guess at the last meeting I wasn't at this meeting on October 8th, but at the last meeting they did talk about use of the website for some things. It would be great if that could
be brought back and some updates be done to that because there is a following. >> Go ahead, Jenna. We had a meeting this week and I think it was based on something that you sent to Jane about this very thing outreach and more updates and what's happened since town
meeting. So under improving reading on the town website there is an update. >> Yay. >> So all righty. um an upcoming the next meeting was um uh
scheduled for November 5th and then another one on December 3rd. We do have this finance committee subcommittee review and um that's going to happen before the November meeting and then
they voted to adjourn. But if anybody who's online wants to see this, just let me know. There there are typos, it doesn't it's not a complete it's not um um it might not make sense, but if
you're curious, you know, call Jane, call June or call Peter. >> So the video >> or or watch the video because the video is is out there. So, and I would highly encourage people to come and listen. Um
um Marilyn's a regular attendee there and um uh Karen is and I miss this one. I'm gonna miss the next one, too. >> Yeah. So, I would encourage you to come because you glean infant or listen at
least you glean >> interesting information from these. You do. >> Thank you so much, Nancy. >> You're welcome. >> One one point that I heard and it's in case they did have the first time it's happened. Um, and
>> it was not what was hoped would happen. It's not a big deal, but I just sort of want to make the note for history. They are dipping into the contingency for one of these things. Um, Jane had thought there'd be money in something and she found out she couldn't use it, so she had to ask that they go into the
contingency fund. So, it's just something to keep an eye on. >> What was that? >> There were a couple of things that they've gone into the contingency fund. I think one of them might have been this >> the consultant they hired for the pre-bids. I don't I don't think the town
paid for that. I think that came and there and there was another one >> the fire thing >> but I thought they did it for and I could be wrong but I really noted but I mean Jame wasn't thrilled to have to ask for it. I mean you can sense her pain. It's not our ideal to have to do this
and it's not a big deal. I'm not making a fuss. I'm just noting that it's something we need to keep an eye on. I think the other one >> it's in here. I can ask specifically what >> and if any of our our members who are
listening or are in attendance and are very knowledgeable when it comes to construction and plumbing and fire extinguishers and I I encourage you to um to participate and um talk to me
because I'd be interested in talking to you about verify. >> All right. Thank you very much, Nancy. >> Just want to announce that there is the connected reading open house at the library Maryland is going to be there
October 28th. Are you looking for somebody else? >> I would love to have someone sit at the table there. And Chris does not have a table for elder services. So I volunteered that we would represent them as well. We've got a big stack of pleasantries. So if someone would share
the table with me and just Okay. >> Anybody else wants to? Then we can break it. How long is it for? >> Two hours. Five to seven. It's free pizza cookies usually. Last year you went over though to the friends. Are you not Are they not doing it? You're welcome if you want to come. Last year
you didn't go with friends instead. >> Oh, the friends table. >> I'm in the same situation. I I might be able to give you some time. >> That'd be great. >> I'm usually there, too. >> We have the downtown trick or treat, but I can go there after. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Keep you company. >> Okay. Just, you know, when you get three
people, which would be a huge amount to come. >> Five to seven, right? >> Five to seven. Um, it it's nice. You meet really interesting people. Most of them are new to reading and you find out how excited they are about the town and it's fun to tell them we've got these resources and they love the event. It's
a nice event and it's not terribly long and 20 pizza and cookies usually. Yep. Still free pizza this year. >> Yeah. Thank you for organizing that being willing to volunteer. Thank you Nancy and John if anybody else is able to go. All right. Um, the next item is
discussion and vote to change the our monthly meeting start time. We changed last month's to six o'clock. Some of us seem to like that and we decided that we'd hold off and wait until this this month to actually discuss it further and
vote on it because we didn't have it as a vote, I don't think, the last time. Maybe we did, but we we didn't feel ready to vote on it. Um, I'm open to hearing comments about changing it, keeping it at 6:30 or moving it to six o'clock.
>> I move the question. >> We have to have a motion first, don't we? Do we have a motion? You're the one that asked us to table it last. >> No, not thinking about it now. I just want to get it. >> We need a mo motion first and then we can >> Okay. >> Well, don't we need to discuss it at
all? Well, yeah, we have moved motion discuss. >> Okay, so we do have discuss coming. It would be good to know that everyone actually can come at 6 at a minimum. >> Do we have somebody want to discuss >> make a motion?
>> Yeah. Somebody want to make a motion? I make a motion that we move the council on aging annual meeting timely monthly meeting annual annual monthly
>> monthly meeting from 6:30 to 6:00 p.m. >> Do we have a second? Second. >> I move the question. >> I think it's irresponsible to not ask if at least everyone's capable of coming at 6. >> Well, the question's been moved. There's no discussion.
>> Well, I'm commenting on your >> thing that um >> that means we have to vote now. Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay, >> we do. >> All right, >> John. >> No, >> I'm going to be outvoted. So, just go ahead.
>> Oh my vote now and get over with it. >> Yes. >> Carolyn, >> I'm gonna I'm staying because we've not discussed this properly. >> Okay, Karen. Yes. Jean, >> I'm going to abstain. >> So, what do we got? >> So, wait. Okay.
>> You're voting on the moving of the question first. If someone moves the question, you have to vote whether to close discussion. >> Okay. I I I vote. Yes. >> Oh, we missed it. >> Wait a minute. >> We have to vote. >> Thank you, Emily. >> So, we have to vote to approve to to
move. [Music] >> Thank you, Emily. If you vote yes on moving the question, there's no more discussion. >> I don't know this. >> So, anybody who can't make it at six o'clock doesn't get an opportunity to
say that they can't make it at six o'clock. >> You could just vote me down and get over. >> I don't know that you'd have gotten voted down if we've been allowed to discuss it. >> Well, if you vote no against If you vote no now.
>> Yeah. on the motion to move the question. Then you will open it for discuss. >> No, it says it says I'm looking up move the question and under Robert's rules, you must first be recognized with that by the chair and then say I move the question >> to immediately end debate and proceed to
a vote on the pending motion. >> That's what >> this requires a second is not debatable and typically needs twothirds vote to pass. >> So lose vote. So we were >> so not we weren't voting on the motion. We were voting on
>> moving >> that's a little confusing Karen. It said at the end it requires twothirds vote to pass. That makes it sound like >> to move the question >> to move the question right. So we are voting on moving the question. >> She made a motion >> and I'm not even clear what the
>> motion. Thanks John. Just >> next time we're going to vote yes just to get this thing over. A motion or the question is to change the time. >> The question is to change >> change the time. So John moved
>> to move the question. In other words, go right to a vote on the question >> with no discussion. >> With no discussion. I don't remember if it was seconded. >> Now we have to vote on his motion whether or not we want to move. Well, but then I said the same thing, Karen, but
>> Yeah, but that but you know what? That was Gemini and and AI. That was an AI summary. >> Okay. >> So that's they >> but after contradiction to it >> that so the call call the question definition is a motion used to end the
debate on a pending question and bring it to a vote immediately. You could think of it as a vote to begin the vote. Call the question is a meeting protocol that >> Yeah. So you just withdraw. Can you both withdraw like what you >> start over? Yes, we can resend the
motion. >> Are both of you? Let's have a normal conversation. >> I rescend my motion. >> John, >> rescend. Resend. >> Otherwise, John, we're going to be here till I don't know 10:30.
>> Okay, I'll resend my motion. >> Thank you. >> Yeah, >> rewind. Rewind. Okay, so you're resending your motion. I think I I what I heard was I had to res
going to you right here. >> So the question is if we move it to six o'clock >> um which it seems like people might want to do, is that something that's possible for everyone to to change the starting time to six? Will it work for your
schedule? >> Yes. >> What do we do with the members though that aren't here? What what do you want to do with them? Well, it was on the agenda and I didn't hear from anybody about what they would say. So, I'm assuming
>> that way. >> Yeah. >> I don't know. >> Who knows what people's dinner plans are? What their family are? Who knows? >> You want not make six? >> I probably There might be some times where I won't be able to make it in person. I'll have to attend by Zoom, but
I should be able to make every meeting at six o'clock one way or the other. >> Okay. Yeah. Who can't who can't make it? >> We can always make a new motion if we do this next month and find out we've got two people here. >> Why are we in discussion now? >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> So, why do we want to just do this anyways? Just half an hour. >> You mean to change it to six? >> Yeah. >> It seemed to work very well the last time. And in the winter I'll be I mean I I prefer it earlier especially now it
gets dark so early and it's going to be cold and you know we get out of here because you know tonight's meeting is going to be two hours. >> I like to think I get home earlier. >> It is nice. >> There's also a good chance you just extended another half hour. don't want to do. I mean six o'clock it just
>> well I think last month too Karen you said >> there are times because when stuff's going on one of the other groups >> also meets and they tend to meet at seven when they have to call a special meeting and then six at least allows us
to do some of what we need to do and go if we need to go to those other meetings >> and >> yep >> so I like that perspective too. Any other thoughts, Julian? I know you are not in favor of that. >> I'm not in favor of it, but I it's not
really pressing. I mean, I can do it. I just prefer not to. That's all. >> Can you share with us why you prefer six? >> I I think I said before, I'd rather go to 7 o'clock if I had my choice. >> Really? >> Yeah. I'd like to relax a little bit and I come down for a meeting. But any rate,
if it makes any difference, I'm just about to vote yes on the start thing. All right. >> Can I make a motion to change the time of the monthly Council on Aging meeting from 6:30 to 6:00 p.m.
>> And I'll second it. >> Thank you, John. >> All right. Now we can vote. Oh, any discussion? >> Any further discussion? Seeing none. >> Karen, >> yes. >> John, >> yes. >> Anthony, yes. Marilyn, >> yes. >> Karen, yes. Jean,
>> yes. Thank you. >> Okay. And then um future agenda items, the big thing is talking about when we can have our November meeting. >> Um because town meeting is in November and we can't have a meeting obviously
against town meeting. Um and we want to give the we want to give you all time to put together your plan. So we can't move. I would say don't do it the be like the third November 3rd would be too early.
>> Um >> what about the 17th >> town meeting if it does go >> and the 10th >> the 10th the 10th is when it starts right starts on the 10th >> and these three sessions.
>> Could you do a Wednesday instead of a Monday for November? Could we do it November 4th or 5th? >> Fourth is election then. >> Okay. >> How about like the 19th
>> president building committee I think. Yeah. Usually >> is the 24th too late. >> I don't want to get into Thanksgiving week. >> Thanksgiving week is >> How about Friday night and COA Springs
for the pizza? Friday. >> Any Friday, we'll come for pizza. I can't come here because town hall's all locked. But >> right, right. >> But there's some people that work on Friday that can let us in. >> We're not in it on a Friday. >> Okay.
>> What about What about the sixth of November? >> What about the sixth? >> How about we give ourselves a little bit more time? >> Yes. I would say like the right around the 12th or maybe the 19th of July. >> The 12th or 19th work for me.
>> I can do the 12th. >> The thing is those of us who are telling meeting members that's three meetings that week. You okay with that? The 12th. >> How about the 19th >> might not go to the that last date for >> it?
We won't know it in advance. And that that means nobody else I don't know that we can even schedule something that is could potentially be >> you're not supposed >> but the 19th of November >> works. >> Yeah. The Yeah,
>> 19th Wednesday could work. But we need to see and then we just need to see where we have to have the meeting because there could be some >> What is town meeting again? Yeah, town meeting is 10, 13, 17, and possibly the 20th,
>> but probably not. I don't know how much is pressing. >> What's wrong with the 18th? >> 18th. I don't know if there's um Oh, there's probably not a select board meeting. You think? We have to find out what else is going on. >> The 18th calendar.
>> Sure. I mean, at Gillette for a conference, so I don't know that I'm going to be back by 6 on the 18th. You won't be able to change it to 6:30 again. >> Should we just do the try the 19th
>> 19 on my calendar works >> 19. >> Okay. Is that okay? November 19th >> at 6 o' c. >> Okay. any pressing future agenda items,
feel free to just email me. >> Okay. There were some on here um >> future agenda items >> that were in the minutes >> that were >> I'll take a look at that. >> I saw those. I did see them somewhere and I couldn't remember where I
>> was Kate and me two discussion and you and I mentioned to that it's the month. I don't know if you were ready to propose, but next month you could do it now. >> Probably a specific reason.
>> I'm ready. John Motion to second. >> Jean, >> yes. >> Aaron, >> yes. >> Don, >> yes. >> Nancy, >> yes. >> Marilyn, >> yes. >> Aaron, yes. Thank you all. >> Thank you.
>> Thanks everybody. 6:00 we would be done before 8 and >> yes I mean that's not a guarantee with That's right.