e e uh 700 p.m. and I believe the entire finance committee is present so calling this meeting of the finance commit to order uh we are at least starting out hybrid this evening um so so long as any of us are on Zoom we'll do votes by uh
roll call um so doing attendance uh Mark zero here Emily Sison here Joe mcana here Maran Downing here Ed Ross here Andre Kum here John Sullivan here and
Joe caran here oh Jeffrey cor all right we had a long meeting last week with Sharon in that spot I didn't call on her for attendance I look like Sharon no though you are camouflaged with the vertical stripes I'm just saying all right anyway sorry about that all right
so welcome everyone um to the uh fourth in our weekly series of budget meetings um uh the um uh main part of the agenda tonight we'll be we'll be um dis you know hearing about the warrant for uh the town meeting uh annual Town meetings
here uh we do still have to vote on the budget um uh we'll have a time for public comment at the beginning um one thing about the order of the agenda as written we're doing the budget first but I'm wondering if we should uh if if it does anyone in the committee have a problem with us pushing that to the end
so that uh people who you know are here to maybe here about Pi ball don't have to wait for us to vote on 42 different budget line items me all right cool okay so in that case uh next next thing in order is public comment would anyone and I do have zoom open here so hopefully
I'll see would anyone in please oh do we have a signin sheet oh there is not one on the thing behind sign okay and yeah just say your name and Street that'll Mike Colman 18
mil Road recing for um and I am the President of the reading pickleball Players Association so the reading pickle ball Players Association is as surprised as everyone I
think uh on the quote for the pickleball courts in Simon's way um we were anticipating a quote significantly less than the 1.5 million we greatly appreciate the efforts of the
Town staff uh and all the boards working on this to bring this to town meeting and to validate the quote and make the project a reality there's tremendous need in town
within the town for this recreational space that directly benefits many of our community especially seniors We Believe seven dedicated lighted pick aall Courts at this location is the best solution and they
raised over $200,000 to support this project and we we're going to continue to try and make we are prepared to work collaborative collaboratively to identify
opportunities to reduce the costs considerably from um where they are now they will have less of an impact and reducing um on the town
and have less impact on reducing the number of courts or the quality of the courts we're see thank you anyone else I don't see any hands on Zoom so uh uh Matt uh would you have to go
through y so we'll we'll go through the warrant um Sharon is on Zoom so hopefully people can see her there's Sharon so um so we'll go through the usual articles I think Sharon um could help more on the First Financial articles article four and Article 5 so
article four is to amend the capital Improvement uh budget for fy2 the this is a standard article that we put on every year um there are several uh projects listed um you know Main Street traffic signals funding for rotor
control firewall upgrade um Leed replacement um so Sharon did you have anything to add to article four before we start taking questions on it yes um I just wanted to mention that we had had um for Haven Street some debt scheduled
that we didn't end up moving forward with which is why you see an increase for fiscal 25 and 26 it's just to add more Capital because Deb went down okay and do you want to go through the Articles one by one and take questions
at the end or do you generally do we take questions as they come up what's your preference on that I would say questions as we go just so people have it press that sounds good okay unless you don't want questions and then we can just do them moment that would good
too um so that's that's Article 4 if there's any questions on what's listed there so go ahead Karen did the did the debt go down by exactly the same amount that the capital plan went up
um almost I think that there were some other changes that we made um just here and there just based on priority um there were things that were added later um I would say probably fiscal 26 matches yeah fiscal 25 and fiscal 26
probably matches to some degree but fiscal 25 had something else added um I'm trying to think oh we actually had added an elevator for the fire um for um Main Street and then we moved it out so I
think actually probably are changes that would mirror what the changes are in the capital plan Sharon for um FY 27 the uh facilities master plan can you can you give a little um color around
that yes so um Joe hudkins had asked that we add um 200,000 to bring in a consultant to go over all of the buildings and determine kind of what the needs are at each um building and prioritize that that list of of to-dos
kind of um just to having a third party take a look at all the buildings and so that's what that is and um I don't know on but um do you know if that is I thought I did see Joe yeah so Joe um just a quick followup was that in
relation to what kind of happened within Parker or is it or is this this was just something that was already out there and um um already scheduled to happen yeah no this is something we've been talking about I think Sharon Matt probably for a couple years now to get a
good idea of where we are in terms of um we did the facilities assessments with the permanent building committee three years ago Y and so we've got a good list of the conditions of the buildings but now what the next question is which buildings on the school side would be
next for uh either a renovation or replacement and then on the town side and it's a pretty extensive process where we would have our consultant go through and talk to all all the stakeholders at the different you know on the school side um the use of the buildings look at the general conditions
and then sort of have a a road map in front of us for the future so that we know what's coming down the line um in terms of any replacement or Renovations of any facilities in town yep down good you good uh well I I
I I did have a followup um now in and so I watched a little bit of the select board uh meeting last night and they're talking about the overall like does this dovetail at all into uh the Town Master Plan and all or is this are these completely separate um and
distinct um projects and evaluations I think Matt might be better answering that question I at this point I see him is is separate but related I we're just beginning to talk about a master plan for the town we haven't done one in 20 years um Joe's had this on the
capital plan for for a little bit um I think generally they'll feed into each other because we're going to talk about you know buildings and projects um but right now I see them as sort of separate and we haven't really just scratched the surface on the master plan and then then
the last question is sorry Joe and Sharon just on my side so that that 200,000 that's just uh to um engage with the consultant or or is that already kind of scoped out that would be the real cost for it or is there something is that just a a
placeholder no that's anytime we give you guys a price it's it's a real number um it's been escalated also uh cuz we knew we were going to push it out to 27 um at the end of this we're going to get uh a pretty um detailed Report with um
sort of rough order of magnitude for each project um but it takes a long time to do because we have to sit down and meet with you know like all the stakeholders in the school in the town side so that that number is accurate awesome and and and how long do you think that that's that whole uh project
will take I'm anticipating six to nine months total time to do that sorry Joe thanks good um I saw I saw Emily and then Maran and then Jeffrey so we got lots of questions Emily please um Sharon can you
just remind me please the Parker Turf were planning to do debt for that starting in fiscal year 27 uh yes okay that was it I just wanted to make sure that didn't need to additionally go on thanks um Maran Dr
um this question is for Joe um I'm just trying to bring my image I just had up but in September 2019 um I think it was September 12 2019 that's what I found they did a a big school building assessment and so what
what would be different from then I I I you you mentioned something you did three years I'm not sorry to interrup I'm not sure which report you're talking about are you talking about the one that Gap did for the space planning is that what
you're talking about might be possibly yes yeah that was different that was to look at like the enrollment numbers and they had a um it was done by Gap and then it was redone again when we got close to doing work with the msba but that was to look at um like enrollment
figures District um District numbers and things like that it was not geared towards replacement of any of the buildings this is different okay I mean I know it was it was assessing whether the facilities were sufficient in size for what they want
what they wanted to do and I know that that that fed into the need for killum not just um you know enrollment but the condition of the building so I'm just wondering you know it it will it was it would be done by the same company that we had do
that work um who's been doing work for the town for quite some time now so it it does keep the cost down because they have a lot of the history on the buildings and they know the conditions of our facilities but this would go
deeper into that um I just want you guys to think about um you know the last time we did you know we know the MSB msba Renovations you know the high school the wood end and the barrels were the most recent but behind those we have buildings that are approaching 30 over
30 years since they've had worked under them so it's going to go a lot deeper into it and look at that type of stuff okay thank you um Jeffrey and I do see marks on
Zoom Jeffrey so Sharon if you could check the numbers here the FY 26 when I do the addition I get 388 instead of 386 and on the FY 27 I get a net decrease of 23,000 instead of a net increase that looks to be at typo on
both cases I think they I just entered it wrong so I can change that okay before we vote yeah all right um um Mark uh Hey Joel a question for you just on um you know the failed house got
approved last Fall's town meeting have bids come in for that yet and if they have what are they looking like against bids came in um we have we we've awarded the contract we're going to stop that work June 2nd hopefully get in
there early um we've been working closely with the athletic director and the superintendent um to get in there right after graduation they came in the price came in at $2.6 million to do that work um so
that's a good thing and there's some additional work that we'd like to get done in there that we're going to be prioritizing um as to like what's the top thing you want to get done and I'll give you an example one of them is new backboards for the Center Court another
thing is new curtains you know the divider curtains that are out there in the Fieldhouse the big curtains that they drop yeah that's that's a second thing a third thing could be um and the these aren't these aren't an order of what these are just I'm not ranking them
in my top priori is what I'm saying the third thing would be um school boards what's in there right now is um there's a there's a want to try to replace those with something newer and then a new
batting cage I don't think we're going to be able to fit all that stuff in there we kept it out of the main scope of work hoping we could add it in um but we might have enough money to do some of those things we'll just see what how the school feels about what's their top priority because we only have a certain
amount of money to deal with good news any other questions on article I did have one other followup sorry Joe I know you were looking to get this thing done quickly um so karon just I know we went over this um on uh in last meeting but
most of the things that you um that are um you know kind of negatives for FY 27 those were more most of those were just things that we were able to kind of push out or if we figured out where you actually have it denoted where we were able to kind of pay out of the revolving fund
correct yeah there was definitely some things that were coming out of the school lunch revolving fund um it was like a a school lunch band and then I think two um lunch service lines um came off of the the role I can't see fiscal
27 can you scroll down a little bit yeah just to remind me of what it is yeah we had the frch metal food service lines the barrel food service lines and the Food Service fan all of those are coming out of a a school lunch revolving fund instead of part of our capital in
the general fund and then other things had to be pushed out to make room for other things so it it's it's been challenging because nothing has calmed down yet with pricing everything's priced outrageously so and I don't know if it ever will return to what we're
used to but can sometimes when we're trying to make this balance I have to push things out not because we don't want them but because we can't afford them in our 5% um and and so uh thank you for that um and then um I I again
just want to uh thank you for adding the color on those as far as you know that um you know whether they're pushed out or um or or kind of paid from another thing I think that's very helpful um going forward if we could I think that
might also be helpful I mean I know you kind of go through it when you when you talk about it at town meeting but having some of that detail for the things that we're adding in I think would be would be helpful as well okay
great I was uh I I'll I'll second that feedback about actually having the U I don't think in past years we had the the how far out things were being pushed in in the warrant report here I could I could scroll to the very end and find the capital Improvement plan and and and
uh and find it there but it's much easier to be able to see right here okay so we have to push that truck one back one year we have to push this other truck back two years that kind of thing so thank you y okay great all right um on to five on to five Artic
Article Five is again an article that we see every year um this year will be amending the fy2 budget so in the background you have several um things listed for amendments um Sharon had put together this list with department heads
so um I won't read it to you cuz because it's right there but if you have questions Sharon or I could answer them for you there's a lot going on here go ahead Jeffrey so Sharon um when we talked about article four you were saying that the um the increases in capital were
offset by the decreases in debt that we because we weren't uh taking out any debt for the Haven Street so I see why in c99 where we have an increase for the capital that we just looked at in article 4 I don't see would I am I not
expected to see the the decrease due to us not having that extra Debt Service oh so there's um I think that service that we scheduled for pickle ball that took the difference there um if we were to move forward with pickle ball I believe
that might be the issue there okay I'd have to pull up the debt schedule to say sure but you're saying I'm not reducing debt but actually I think it's just that the 143 I think we reduced the fiscal 25 at November town
meeting so the debts already kind of all set there um we just moved some things around the 143 wouldn't be affecting the capital of the debt plan but the fiscal 26 would um this would have been things that we just moved around CU we
originally had had that um elevator for the fire um Main Street fire in fiscal 26 and then we were told to put it back to 27 and we moved him or I think we were 25 and then we moved it to 27 and now we're moving it back in so I believe
in fiscal 25 the issue is is that we had to we prioritize what we had for fiscal 25 um because we had some things that shot up on the priority list and we had to re reallocate in Fisco 26 it's definitely
um that the debt goes you know Debt Service changes and we have to um add more Capital um uh Mark is he on Zoom yes Sharon a question on benefits you've got uh disability retirement salary moved to benefits
104,000 so if that was moved to there was salaries reduced by 104,000 so no what what that is is um when when we have somebody who seing disability retirement um we we move at that April time meeting at the year that
they're about to go out they're not they're not approved for disability retirement but we're fairly certain they're going to go out in disability retirement we'll move their salary out of the department they work in and into the benefits line so we have to increase the benefits line to do that but it
allows them to speed up the rehiring of that person because they're missing a person and that person's still being charged to their budget and so this gives them a little bit more leeway to be able to to start that hiring process cuz they know that person's applied for a disability retirement is not coming
back but they're still being paid out of their you know their budget and so this moves it to a benefit line item and we don't usually have funding in that line item so I have to fund the line item to move it so they can do a hire so that's your estimate till that person's
retired that's my estimate of what that person makes in a year year um and for this fiscal year I'm going to move his whole wage cuz I I'm expecting that by July he should be fully dis on the retirement disability uh Joe um Sharon for the fire
vacation buyouts is that related to like um not to pick on but the chief's retirement or like are there other people there's like five or six retirement and fire this year and we never budget for buy out of people's vacation time because that would mean
that we couldn't do something else we don't have access really built into our budget so as vacation buyouts happen we asked for them in April um so that would be the total for I think five to six people over including Greg Burns but um
there would be five or six people that are retiring um in this fiscal year good thanks looking around further I will say that I tried to save some of the money by looking for savings that we had because there was just so much just coming it just it adds up I mean and and then I
looked at everything I'm like is there anything we can cut everything's pretty important um it's unfortunate it just it all adds up and snow and ice was the biggest ad that we had that we didn't have last year as requesting money for snow and ice we didn't have to ask for
that kind of money last year actually on that uh note Sharon um do we have uh obviously it varies wildly and it was very low last year but do we have a typical number for that that we usually see like I'm just more curious if this is you know in line with
normal yeah snow and ice um we we tend to be in a kind of it's not usually budgeted at what it what it would be for normal winter necessarily but the way it works is snow and ice if whatever you budgeted for in the prior year like you
have to stay at least at that number so you don't want to go too high with the number so our number is kind of in the middle of the range and so it tends to cover us fairly well for a good winter um but then a a typical New England winter not so much and we are kind of
used to Bringing these sorts of things in April um but if we were to give the number like if we s on average it's 800,000 or 700,000 or whatever it is um that would squeeze out other things and we'd be required to be at that 700,000
every year the other thing I should mention is s and ice is the one legal deficit that we can have so we don't necessarily have to do this but then I'd end up having to raise it on the recap which is just it's kind of the same exercise so you're you're you're look
you're taking it from free cash or you're raising it from your taxes and trying to increase your revenues to cover it so it's easier this way and this is the way we've been doing it I was just curious how I mean I'm I certainly remember this ritual every year and have heard you know Bob Fidel
and we now hear Matt give this this actually I think I've already heard Matt give this Spiel once of the we um the bit about how this is the one thing that we deficit spend every year um because of the laws around it I was just curious in terms of magnitude how big this deficit was compared to usual but I can
look at the old budget last year I think we asked for 25,000 think though in a normal a traditional winter 275 to 325 might be the ask because like I said the number that we have is kind of I'd say for a fairly
medium mild winter but we get you know slammed with snow it's not enough I'm I'm uh last or not I'm trying to take some comfort in the idea that last or not withstanding this is normally what happens um and so this is not
uh worse than that at least all right other comments or questions on Article 5 nope all right okay so article six is prior Year's bills we don't have any um
right now um I don't anticipate we will before town meeting but we keep it on there and if there's no prior year bills we just table this item so nothing really to discuss in article 6 tonight um article 7 is is the standard
opab article that we do every year um I I can defer to Sharon on that because she puts together the opab numbers but it's standard article that we do every year yeah so we when we build our budget we have budgeted numbers in the general fund and the Enterprise funds for their
contribution to the oped trust fund but we we have a practice of using it kind of as a hedge um and we don't move the money to the trust fund until April in case you know we want to use some of it um towards any deficits we might have in
health insurance um I think we already had taken a piece of this out when we were building the bud for fiscal 25 so um instead of 500,000 we only had 300,000 for the general fund and and then the Enterprise funds um stayed the
same so it's a smaller transfer than what we've done in in years where these issues with health insurance have been the case um but we are still contributing which is good um and you know we don't want to not contribute anything which is why I didn't bring it
down to zero and you know leave you know to help with the health insurance we had already taken a chunk when we realized it was 5.65% increase and we had like 5 and a half or whatever it was I took a couple hundred, at that point um because we
usually have 500,000 so 300,000 is where we're at I believe I'm sorry is a transfers of 200,000 sorry we took 300,000 out in the beginning when we're building the budget and we got our rate a little higher than what we had hoped
um we had taken 300,000 so I I correct myself it's 2,000 for the general fund 85,000 for water 25,000 for sewer and 10,05 for the storm water fund looking around for questions no all right let's continue
okay article 8 is another standard article that we do every year it's to approve the revolving funds um and they're all listed under article 7 in the background in terms of the inspection revolving fund we always have a few coming off and a few coming on so you see the cross outs of the ones
coming off and one coming on into that fund um the the big difference this year is we're adding a new evolving fund for Elder and Human Services um and that was requested by by Jenna and her team I think she's on the zoom if there's specific questions about it um tonight
but that's going to greatly help um the senior center Elder services to have that revolving fund to keep that money going and and spending it on equipment things that they need um on a yearly basis so that's really the big change in article
8 um man yeah so further to that um Elder and Human Services revolving fund I mean it says it'll be funded by user and rental fees from the Elder and Human Services programming I how do we know what that's going to be
because hasn't that been ARA funded and basically free for the past few years like what do we typically expect to to to come in from user and rental fees I think so I think recently Opa but before that there were us or in rental fees I
don't know Jenna if you're on do you have a sense of what those fees could generate every year she's on go ahead hi I was trying to start my camera but it's not not working for some reason
so sorry um we don't have the exact number of what those views will be obviously we're seeing record numbers at the center right now but yes all of our programs right now are completely funded by arpa so it would be hard to predict even given like the numbers before when
people were um coming to the center and being charged it would just be hard to gauge that without just diving in and seeing how it went the first year or two so I think the Expendable amount that we agree on as a team will be um relatively
reasonable and we hope to within the first year um take those funds and ask for more moving forward um if need be but this will be a great resource prior to co um the participants were actually playing the vendors directly as well
which a lot of other centers were also doing but obviously we know that that is not a best practice so we would really love this fund to be able to um grow our finances we only have a $50,000 expense budget right now went up a little bit um
they'll be going up a little bit in FY 26 but this will just tremendously help us continue to grow and have a sustainable fund I appreciate that it's just that if you're seeing record attendance it do you think some of it is imp part because
it's free and do you think that if you start charging you're going to get the same attendance or is it just nominal fees you know $5 for a lunch or or $3 or yes it will still be um we're hoping
to just ease our way in right so nominal fees for lunches or for transportation we have discussed also charging our non-resident starting um in the new fiscal year since we'll have this fund so it'll still stay the
nominal fees that that they were before um so we expect that people would still come but I can't guarantee what the numbers will be when people start getting charged um it could it could
it could go down it could stay the same I really can't predict and then if recal passes and we have a new building in the future it could double or triple so I don't have the crystal ball um but like as an example right you you guys some
are you in charge of Mata cabin like who like people regularly rent rent that and so we do rent the Matera cabin Recreation actually used to be in charge of the cabin but now that's under conservation and right now we do charge
rental fees for the um Pleasant Street Center and that goes into um the Elder and Human Services fund and into the general fund and um we deposit that through Community Services okay so that yeah that was what I was kind of getting to like so renting the Pleasant Street
Center I don't know how many people rent it other than for Elder events but that's in other source all right thank you yeah we do yeah we do get quite a few rentals um in there a month so I just clarify that this revolving fund is kind of um just kind of a a
mechanism to to pay those vendors who are doing the programming so let's say they're doing a yoga class you know the attendees come and they bring you know their fee that they're going to pay for it and this allows us to pay that that vendor from this fund prior we would
have had to record the money coming in as revenue and have a budget in that um Elder and Human Services area for expenses um which we don't have a big budget for so this kind of allows them to do programming above and beyond kind of what we have a budget for because
they're you know pay as you go kind of things and they're just blowing through this revolving fund where're we're doing a program people pay and that's what we use to pay the vendor yeah Recreation also has um a similar fund for their programming
uh Jo sure um might be a question for Sharon on the inspection revolving fund it's the larest or tied for the largest fund but it still seems like vague how that money can be expensed are used like if you look at the allowed expenses like
it covers a lot like even at the bottom of the description like records archiving other project related costs like how do we I don't know like how do we manage all that yeah the inspection Rings fund is used to cover
some of the wages of the people who are um monitoring those larger projects within Public Services you know so when the inspections and all of that stuff some of that stuff is being charged or support is coming from this revolving
fund to help pay some of their salaries to you know keep that program you know keep those um larger develop M monitored um and so the inspection and revolving fund does highlight the specific projects that are big enough where their
their fees go in there and that's where we pay the expenses related to that project but there are there are some supports that are um just built into our budget coming from the r offing fund to help pay for the staff that we have that does help with the monitoring so it's so
it's only used like for I guess new projects or um big projects to be projects that could be problematic if you know to the public if they weren't doing the right things so um they would definitely want to make sure that they're abiding by all
the zoning bylaws and all those things um all of the things that are required of them that that monitoring would be done by either staff or Consultants that we hire and that's what that money is for I do think that we have for the last
several years uh funded the economic development person out of here um because that was how we started with that position it's always been funded from here but um the rest of the support really is for people directly involved with the
monitoring thank you any other questions about the soling funds all right uh let's continue okay okay so on to articles um 9 and 10 because they're related and these articles I I don't think legally you have to vote on but I wanted to bring
them to your attention because they are you know some somewhat Financial so they deal with the town's acceptance of certain causes of what's known as the hero act um which helps serve our veterans and armed service people and it
contains two property tax exemptions one is essentially a Cola on a proper a property tax exemption that veterans already get and one is a new um exemption and and the language is it gets a little technical it's laid out in
the background um at town meeting I I'll have the assessor there as well in case there are any questions but um it's you know was recently made available to us to accept these these acts and we thought it was a good thing to do for our veterans to just give them a little
bit extra help with tax bills and whatnot so that's the that's the big picture on there guess I guess I had my own I'll call myself because I had my hand up first okay um uh Sharon I assume this is like similar
um you know uh abatements and tax reliefs where the levy size Remains the Same for a given year this effectively moves it around and in this case moves it off of of some of our veterans but it's kind of like taking and giving
them I believe this one is is this the one where they double the um exemption for them it comes out of our abatements um and so we have allowance for abatements and that rolls from year to year and so we have sufficient balance
to be able to cover this without too much issue I think the only thing we ended up needing to do was um I think if you noticed on Article Five there was building a bridge for munus to pull this into munus like they're going to have to
do a little bit of work um to have that information related to um these exemptions pull into the you know munus for the um for the real estate tax so they're going to need to make some modifications and build a bridge to pull
it all in um other than that I feel like our level of um abatements that we we budget for is still going to be sufficient all right uh Joe it was answered oh good so I'm looking around I don't see any
other hands on that okay so second half here all right yeah maybe um article 11 is the budget uh wait did you did you do 10 yeah yeah oh so that's what I I done them both together but 10 is a new
abatement and nine was the cola so um like I said they're related including the town counil it's cleaner to do it in two separate articles rather than one so that's the way we broke it up so article 10 is a one-time increase in the size of the abatement and then article 9 is a
provision that would cause the abatement to increase every year yeah that's the COA inre makes sense to me yeah thanks um article 11 obviously is adoption of the budget which I know that you you've heard the last meeting and we'll vote on tonight
um Article 13 is the next one requiring your vote and that's the funding for the high Haven Street project and I I we had this on in Prior years and asked for some borrowing um to help with this project um it we decided you know given
the financial State and the other projects going on that we wouldn't ask for the borrowing so we're we've got a $2.6 million Mass Works Grant to cover the bulk of this and we've identified other funding sources that are laid out in the report that we have under our
control that could only be used for special purposes um to make up the remainder so it's going to be mostly High Street a little bit of Haven Street um there's some maps in there Ryan our engineer had explained it to the select board at one of the recent select board
meetings um so we we still think it's an important project and I agree that we shouldn't go out to borrow for it but we have the funding available inhouse and with the Grant and if we don't if we don't do the project or we don't match the funds um we would lose that Grant so
that's that's quite a bit of money off the table and I think we've already spent something like $700,000 in just design and planning already you know from prior funding so 750 I think um time meting voted for so that's that's
that project if you have any questions I'll try to answer um Town engineer will be a town meeting as well to explain it fully yes do we have a map some more of what the improvements are actually going to be is I just um yeah I mean we have a a small map in you know that tells us the
streets um like in there we had we have some we had something more expansive when we were going to borrow for it but I could get you I can talk to the town engineer and get you what we have I couldn't call it up right tonight but there is more a better map than just what you see in the background at at least for time meeting I think sure yeah
no that's a good good idea great question I think that would be really helpful for town meeting okay yep so I see you're using certain other sources to kind of make up for the other 1.4 million dollar or something like
that so what what do we what other things could these other funds be used for other than this project that would be important I mean sustainability account 400k that could that be used anywhere in town or
only downtown I mean I mean this is from what I understand that could be used for um to sustain long-term environmental social and economic Improvement projects so that sounds like it could be you could spin anything to be that possibly but I mean you have within
reason but yeah it's a little more wide open the smart growth money these could be used for Capital expenditures um and should focus on the smart growth growth District that we have um and then the other um the other funds um what is the
West Street tip project so West Street so West Street uh Road improvements funds must be transferred to a like project I.E Road Improvement so it's a road Improvement project and we're transferring it here
um because it's a like project um I don't I don't know what was planned for West Street at the time or if it's done in the could it have been done to fix any other roads in town it's done so it's done I lived there when they did this it was down W I lived on West
Street during this the town actually yeah got gave me a little bit of money for an easement for the first Fe of my yard because they ripped out all the sidewalks they ripped the road down to the dirt regraded it they it was um fun it was it was it it was really cool watching a like a 70,000 lb Machine
drive down right in front of my house and pounding the ground flag um so I'm not disputing it I'm just saying there there's a lot of probably roads in town that could really use that money too right I mean this I just think that as much as we have a grant that we
don't want to give up some of this money could also be used for other other projects in town too this isn't the only thing that that these funds have to be allocated for I just wanted to fair enough be clear jar is there is there a certain amount of time though that these funds
have to be used by we are supposed to spend them on a certain timeline but I believe West Street had some State funding attached to it that was there was some hold up with that project so that extended out um the timeline of the project but it's
in our best interest to do something with it sooner rather than later because we're not supposed to leave borrowed funds sitting in a capital project are un needed we usually transfer them to a light project and that's what's being done here and is it a two-year period is
that right I I think it's like you know depends on the size of the project but yeah I would say 2 years is probably the the the max I would think on a project like that a couple observations for me here F first um uh like everything else Road
improvements don't get cheaper over time so there's another reason to use it um uh in terms of of everything could be twisted to sustainability that's true but I think train station walk ability is not a Twist that's pretty direct encouraging the use of of mass transit instead of driving is is uh pretty darn
good from sustainability point of view um I I I guess I just look at like okay lynen Street and Sanborn Street you know what's wrong with those streets right now I don't know what they're they're out of they're out of FR they're out of scope now so oh okay they're out of
scope the um you know full disclosure I live awfully close to this but I'm and use the train to get to work um so my personal stake and all of this but boy howdy High Street is a disaster area there it's like gravel at this point the southern tip of the scope I think is
where it K got hit by a car last year yes where there's no crosswalks or or anything certainly I thought it was on Lincoln no it was it was at it was at high in Washington yeah like okay I'm just I was just thinking with with the
two other projects that are coming on um if there's any road improvements that could could be associated with kilum or recal over there maybe it's built into the project I just didn't know that also could be used but I appreciate there's a grant here
yeah um Joe I think you had a hand and then I um oh uh Jane yes I just wanted to add a little color to this I was talking to the engineer on this article today uh yeah I've talked to them at length actually about this and um this is kind
of the culmination of about 20 years of work so all of the utilities in the downtown have been upgraded every single one gas water electricity sewer um and and that's going to cause damage to the roads so this project is you know
finishing that work and resurfacing that road um it will include I think raising the area at High Street so there's sort of like a um elevated uh platform if you will where haven and high come to together it could be used for a farmers market it could you know these are
design ideas that were floated previously so I just wanted to bring that back into uh the conversation we to little col I I I shared John's question about you know what because I I remember the very detailed plan of the larger project
that was previously proposed and things like that that raised uh intersection to slow people down and and um as someone who drives through there all the time because of where I live it would slow me down that's probably good so yes and it was well designed actually with fire
apparatus and you know police and fire are very much part of that design process too so the apparatus can get around I mean it will'll make you later to these meetings that's a ro I take you tried leaving on time no but I but I but I do think to your point Jo I think it would be and to to John's point
I do think it would be helpful to understand the reduced scale and what that you know and and revisiting even to the points that you just raised the green well the blue it says here um so it's just the green or green and blue not I don't believe it's Haven it's just
not yeah not all of that haven there's a little bit of Haven they call it lower Haven so I guess it's really lower just really lower we'll have some slides at town meeting like you suggest to show the differences and the engineer will be there to answer some questions any he saw the technical questions but that's
the the gist of it we do really don't want to lose that mass Works Grant so great okay ask one more question the um the funds that we're drawing from um is this
wiping any all some of them out or is there still will there be balance um Sharon may know better than I are there going to be any balances remaining in these funds once we use them Sharon smart growth
and probably very small balance um maybe a little remainder because the numbers they use are round um but not a lot would be remaining in any of the funds and is there a priority as far as like which ones to draw down would you have more time on or less time on or flexibility is there is there a pecking
order to how to use them um I think all of them are needed to reach what they need to complete the project and that's kind of the and they were selected um you know smart growth that can be out there for as long as we want um the West Street I absolutely
would recommend doing the West Street you know transferring it to something and this was a qualifying project um so depending on what kind of fund they're pulling it from um you know there would be you know if it's a borrowing absolutely that would be um one of our
first um priorities is to use that on something rather than take smart growth or something else but they needed all of this to get to the number they needed to complete the project so so for just to kind of a followup on that so typically when you know so in those you kind of
intimated to it I just want to you know kind of put a finder point on it so for any of these you still have to go through a process to make sure that um that you can reallocate it and if you for a specific project and it's applicable and approved before you can
actually get to this point correct yes absolutely we have to reach out to council and find out is this considered a like project you know can we move this funding from this to this and it has it has to do with what it would qualify for for borrowing terms um it's got to be
for equal or greater um so um this project matches up well with West Street and so that's why I was selected John sure that's smart growth uh stabilization fund that regenerates yearly right like we get money from the state
that we get money um periodically depending on what we have going on in the you know the smart growth District if we have projects going on there um so it's not every year but we do tend to get funds every every other year or you know I usually hear about it through
Andrew McNichol okay we've got funding coming in we'll you know be on the lookout and and we'd always be looking for it because prior to the vote we took last town meeting we actually had to um take a vote to actually put it into the stabilization fund it would come in as
general fund revenue and we' end up having to move it to the smart growth stabilization fund so um now we won't need to do that um but it's one of those things that does come in periodically I wouldn't say every year but maybe every other year I see money coming in okay
great thank you um I have an observation because I zoomed in on the uh the one image that we have and it does actually look like the phase two project limit includes the blue and the significance of the green is that that's
specifically uh the massw the scope of The massw Works Pro like the mass Works Grant is targeting am I reading that diagram the I mean it's I'm sure it's a eye test for you too on your print out but um fact I've got an this PDF I can there you go thank you thank you Jackie that's
awesome is the best in the business mb's project limit is the green and then and and uh phase two I think this is all is this all phase two or is this because it says reduce scope from phase two or is this actually just phase one that part I
think I mean it looks like more phase one um oh so maybe this is phase one equals mass Works equals what we're doing we don't know what we're doing and we're voting it I mean I am um I'm I'm trying to fix
that it says this project would focus on Haven Street ghoul Street to High Street and High Street corridors the area corresponds with the green designated an image below that's what the background says in article so it's green okay so maybe so that's High Street all right and then a little bit of I think there's
a little bit that little wing that goes to it that green a little bit of Haven Street that's in green I think that's what it looks like P that former pamp I think the blue was cut from the project and the green is no longer yeah okay so blue is
definitely out of scope that's the the uh that wasn't so I'd focus on the green for this project you might want a different visualization that just uh you know yeah just color in what we're doing it's just going to confuse people yeah yeah no we will that's a good suggestion
or or or or keep this and then just have another one that just focuses on what's in scope okay and not to be a wise guy but maybe have someone explain why it's still 4 million why it's still 4 million yeah because it looks like a lot of scope's been taken out you know why does it still cost that much yeah sure yeah
no we can I mean things have gone up too but you know obviously it's but I can explain this explain why the intersections are all the big intersections are all still in scope I'm guessing that's part of the answer and wasn't this originally like a s or $8 million it was going to be more with the borrowing and then there was also we
were looking at a Federal grant that never really materialized either so was like 7.5 I don't know I voted against it when it was yeah it was it was a more expensive
project no I mean if if it's a roughly a half half the scope and half the cost that yeah that SEL board did not support when it was 7 million before that's correct yeah but they did support this yes yeah not not coincidentally it didn't come to town meeting at that at
that price no yeah we pulled it at that time yeah y that was a I agree with that as well y okay all right any other questions question okay so article 14 is the borrowing for pickle ball um there's a
quite quite a lengthy background um in there and I think people follow this issue pretty closely what it now is um is a $1.6 million borrowing there's other funds that have been identified in terms of donations Recreation capital
projects um possibly some money from the B Bank TR fund um so I know we discussed it a little bit last meeting um Jane and her team have worked on this uh quite a bit and she's here tonight and and I would maybe defer to her for any
specific questions and she's working on this every day with with Jenna and Jim and everybody else so sure happy to answer any questions um just for clarification purposes in the background you'll see that the most recent cost
estimate is listed as say 1792 million um just for orientation Birch Meadow Phase 1 was 2.7 million Birch metal Phase 2 was 2.14 Million um staff um staff is fairly confident we
can did this um for 1.5 so that is what we're thinking we're going to bring to town meeting is 1.5 um and then with the mix of funding that we have 200 raised by rppa um
100,000 from Recreation capital and then 200,000 from the Burbank Arena so that's what we're looking at right now happy to answer any questions um or take you through what that estimate is covering so would we still have it at
1.7 92 or or or is that going to adjust down to5 we think we can probably get what we want for about 1.5 the cost estimate though is for 1792 that's correct that is that is what um this could be the potential Parker roof
that we keep on dipping into afterwards um I have no comment um no we would we would ask Town menu for 1.5 um and it would be our and we that would be the full project budget but then um you know we would when we go out
to bid if we need to we would reduce the project um but we would bring it in at 1.5 um and Jane by reduce the 1 by the 500,000 that's listed here so a really B million so the borrowing would be if
depending what the bid comes in as it could be less but yeah the the but just say it comes in at a million5 it really just be a million of borrowing that's correct um um just as a preliminary matter it
would be really helpful if there was a a breakdown of costs with what each part cost because if if if Town me sees this and says well we don't want to support Seven Courts but we'll support Four Courts like to to kind of understand is
the S you know what percent is this you know what is the site work what is the design fee this company's getting because I'm still shocked by the number I mean you pointed out Birch meow Phase 2 cost 2.7 but if you recall it was originally budgeted for 1.5 and then due
to I think the article I just read referred to raging inflation um between 2022 and 2023 we had to come back to town meeting for more money and I could totally see that happening with this project that this could turn into a you know another almost doubling
so I'm just a cost breakdown I think would be helpful I can do that to to understand because I and um I guess the select board probably raised a
lot of concerns that I had with just you know Court Al where do we have any backup plan on doing this at a lower cost are we absolutely only going to do it with post tension concrete and not asphalt yeah and I'm happy to get into that with and we never got any second
opinions on we could do this for Less because like so uh there are two opinions all of our cost estimates are run by two parties and they are reconciled and then they're reviewed um in this case they're reviewed by activity TS they are reviewed by the um architectural firm and then internally by Town staff so that's how we moved
that number down um and we've been very transparent with sort of here's what we got first and then as we moved it down um so so there are multiple opinions in this for sure it's not just one cost estimator with that information right we don't do that with any project um recal
uh and kilum both have two cost estimators and they're reconciled they come together and reconcile them so um let me take you a little bit through construction cost how that how that cost breaks down and we'll include this is this is very helpful to us what kind of additional information Town meeting's
going to ask you're absolutely right yeah and I and I'm I'm grateful for that so uh construction costs are estimated at 1.5 um the accessible path and driveway to the Burbank parking is about 31,000 in the cost estimate permits and approvals are uh some of them are
included Plumbing mechanical gas those kinds of things and then another 2,000 um for peer review fees for planning for cbtc um design fees are 90,000 um testing and inspections that's testing the concrete and all those
pieces is estimated at 10,000 um advertising and bidding is estimated at 3500 uh legal fee allowance is500 so the soft costs are at 107,000 and then we would be carrying a 9%
contingency at um 148,000 so that's what gets you that 1792 um we feel uh as we go forward the the nature of the geology at the site um is what's driving the post tension
concrete um asphalt so this is we're digging out fresh land here so Weston has a project that's very similar to what our project is um it is not an existing field it is not hard packed there are no catch basins or any drainage that is on site so that all has
to be built and contained all storm water must be contained on site as you know so that all has to be built and that's part of the site work that isn't seen isn't particularly interesting um but it has to be there and as part of the project and that is um it's it's not
uh feasible to say let's put asphalt straight asphalt down we've gone over this and had many many conversations with um our designer BH plusa but also activitas and um and uh I think Mark Novak from activitas explained a little bit about what the nature of asphalt is
in today's world we we talked to um a community on the and it's escaping me which one we spoke with they built similar courts they did all asphalt and uh they had to resurface the whole courts within 5 years so we anticipate that post tension concrete has a better
um life cycle cost and we would expect to not have to do any that kind of level of Maintenance would basically just be repainting and uh those those top coat uh factors it's effectively building a parking lot a parking deck out there
it's not going to move and um that's important because it will enable these courts to be used for a long long time without creating a maintenance headache so The Upfront costs are more substantial than Paving asphalt courts on an existing field but
it will create um what we believe is a very responsible and you know use of taxpayer dollars to build a a recreational facility that will stand the test of time no just can I just ask yeah I know like Wilmington Senior
Center put four pickle ball courts and I know there's a high demand here but if it becomes to be not all or nothing like well the town you know town meeting wouldn't support seven but maybe would support a smaller amount do you have a scaling cost or anything like that say
what we would support because I'd rather see them get something than nothing AG I guess 100% um what we would so what we would do what we estimate is that reducing by one Court would be about 110,000 um so per Court that's the number that they've given us yeah that's
I saw remember 194 below so how come it went down um because we didn't we took out um underground supports we don't feel we need okay below the post tension concrete we said we don't feel we need that um but so that's part of why that
cost came down Plus in that initial estimate there that was estimated with the idea that GC would be managing the whole project right the two projects together and so that creates a markup we took that away this would not be managed by a GC it would be
independent and that brings us down about 300,000 actually so um so yeah so we estimate about 110,000 per Court what we would do with this plan is we would go to uh activitas and our designer and we would say we want you to do a base
bid that's maybe five or six courts and then an alternate and an alternate and so we would bid the alternates so that if depending on what the alternates come in as we could go all the way to that Seven Courts and the lights but we would bid it in such a way that it would give
us um more bank for all of the options that we need to so we don't have to go back and redid so my last question and I promise this is last because others have it we can't frame this as like a not to exceed cost or will there be some Maximum on this if town meeting approves this do they know that we're not going
to approve borrowing more than some kind of amount if town meeting approves 1.5 it's 1.5 so they won't won't borrow more than that or they' have to come back and ask you have you would have to come back yeah but it's our It's Our intention and and we've been transparent
through this process we are very aware that our PPA is really look they really wanted Aid courts and we could not make it fit within the buffer zone and working with conservation and we've really run it through a lot of uh peer review internally all the different departments have been great um so we're
really at that seven Court we think we can fit that um but yeah I mean if if we can't do it we can't do it but staff is fairly confident that 1.5 will work you know I'm fairly confident that we can do this for 1.5 um so we think we'll be in a
favorable bidding environment when we bring this forward um we want to do it and we are carrying a fair contingency because we don't know kind of what's going to happen in the world right now um so yeah okay I see Mark on Zoom yeah Jan I would also suggest
looking at you know I did ask Joe about the um the field house and if that's I'm to buy 400,000 if there's any of that money that could go towards this and then if there's any other bids that have come in under um you know that that you
know that you know I don't think the trash cans or anything I don't think that came in under but just I mean if there's 400,000 available related to field house can any of that be used here um I don't know if that that would probably have to town meeting to move
that I would defer to um our CFO for a question like that um it would be our hope that the same idea our cost estimators are giving us conservative estimates so that we don't have to come back to town meeting but you know we think that we can probably bring it in at that
number okay so if there was savings let's say from the Fieldhouse floor and fleets from what we borrowed and what it actually cost we could go to town meeting and ask them to transfer that that that funding to another project um but where we already do have a bid um
that's lower than the 3 million you know we're probably not going to borrow 3 million so there won't be a lot of extra I mean it doesn't seem um unless we're adding in some of the things that Joe had mentioned um but if there is extra we do tend to go take it to town meeting
and have it moved to another project well I actually have a Fen question to that I did see your handed um the uh you know cuz we um we we we love uh rating the leftovers from previous projects because you know we we
hit free cash hard enough obviously already um and um uh any alternative is good so um but my understanding of that was that the project had to probably be more or less concluded before we started um uh redistributing its funds I would
think I mean it to be a completed project absolutely so we can't uh so next month we can't go giving out the field as flor's money yet not not no not going to start it till school gets out right right exactly that's my point is
it so so you know that Mark ask that question again uh you know in a year or two so if we borrow less I can modify our debt plan and that might make more Capital Money available um you know cuz I actually have um pickle ball on my um
debt schedule for $1.65 million borrowing um because the numbers have changed a few times since we got our original um conversation with them so I have a high number so if there is a borrowing that ends up being less than
what I have there when I make that modification at a future town meeting there would be room for for additional um capital or debt Ed so what's the what's the um timing like when ideal time to start
ideal time to um given uh approvals and so forth like what's the what's the whole schedule look like and then I I and I'm I'm hesitant to ask another question but I'll start with that one um that's a good question I think that we will continue the we'll move into design
development and then um so that's the next phase it gets you to 50% design and we and we'll just keep on going I don't think we'll be ready to bid the project until probably late fall early early uh winter time but it wouldn't start till the spring so so that okay so that given
that answer that's my guess I no no no yeah no that's helpful and again um so I I guess the again so some of these the thing is these numbers are still fungible for a lack of better term as far as like they're in a Range um is
is there a reason why to to bring it now versus in the like in the ne you know like so if we're not looking at this from you know kind of a uh from a timing perspective does it make sense to table and then wait a little bit longer um so
you have more you know Clarity if it's not going to um hurt the timeline as far as when you were going to start it I'm just kind of curious as far as you know um is it is there a sense of urg sense of urgency to do it now um
for things that I'm not GR being you know kind of project lies so um that's a that's another good question we thought about do we want to wait until the fall part of the appetite to go forward now is depending on how the design work comes it could be faster and so um it
depends on what's the boring environment um that Sharon will be um in and and will that be favorable to include this borrowing with other tranches of borrowing to to attain a more favorable rate um and then escalation so there's
escalation our projects and so you know a dollar today is worth less tomorrow so you know we know what it costs right now so that's kind of and the reason for I I'm asking is whatever whatever answer is the better answer to do it is
what I'm angling for so you know I mean I'm not trying to have it be a gotcha is that if it if it makes sense to say hey the reason why we're doing this now is for X Y and Z reasons then we should be communicating that you know like as far as
for advocating to to be able to do it um because of it's I I I'm from being in in and hearing these for a while when there's a little bit more things are a little bit more vague you you got to give a reason why it's fake you know
what I mean and you know I mean I think as you're talking to Tommy you know this too but you know and and having a huge appreciation um and and for the for the for the for the um uh reading pickable Community um because it's been something
we talked about for a while we're getting closer and like and if we're at that Tipping Point then let's you know let's make sure that we're there I mean part of the reason that we brought it forward now is originally there were pickle ball courts included in the Birch metal Phase 2 project right and so that was that was approved a while back and
that's getting ready to move forward um in the next few months so we those were taken out because of the noise and um you know reading pickle ball worked well with the town and residents say this is not the place and we do get complaints about the memorial Court um space so you
know we have a robust pickle ball community of all ages and we want them to be able to play and enjoy the play and grow the you know the people that are using it but then also you know uh respect our residents and their their want their desire for peace and you no
argument for me there at all yeah so that's why so because it was you know we took it out of that Birch meow Phase 2 and then as we've moved forward on the Simon's way you know master plan for that area that's why we're kind of here again I think that would be helpful sure like all of that is helpful like you
know um people have short memories um and so I think you kind of going through that and and as it's presented to toming I think will be beneficial um but just again we've sometimes you just want to know what's changed you know what I mean
and and and and but reminding them of the trials and tribulations through this I think is helpful and and again because it is um something where it I remember I don't know if it was last year or the year before we talked about self-funding that that's been knocked out of the park
I mean so I think all of these types of things that you know we've there's a a lot of progress that's been made so I think you know being able to you know kind of communicate to that I think will be helpful and put it in the best way I appreciate that thank you very much um I see uh Sharon hands
up yeah I just wanted to add that um we have the debt exclusions in May and if they both pass I would probably be borrowing within um you know 5 weeks and so I could borrow for pickle ball then and that was part of the decision to put it on this April um just you know if
we're going to be borrowing because it's we tend to not borrow for one small project we tend to look to borrow more than one because there's significant cost in issuing debt and so we try and um time it out so that all of our projects um are kind of meting money at
about the same time so that we don't have to issue debt more than once in a year or just issue for one small debt and so that was part of the decision making that made it um maybe we should move it for April because also with every project you want to time it so that it's not winter conditions when
you're starting um some of this stuff and so if we were borrowing as soon as possible for kilum if this project needed to proceed we could do that perfect that's that's helpful follow question go ahead sorry so shanon to that point though the one
say if it ends up being a million how far out would we go like the 15 or 20 years then on that 1 million like 10 years I think I have that as a 10year borrowing on my um debt schedule if I remember correctly for pickle ball is that what
you're referring to yeah exactly so yeah yeah I think I I've spread it out for 10 years um to make it a little bit more affordable each year I think originally I had it seven years when we thought the number was going to be lower and then I pushed it up to 10 got it okay all right
thanks Emily have a lot of thoughts about pickle ball um having talked with them for eight years in wreck about the me and the want and um excited that it feels close and disappointed as I'm sure
you are with the big big ask um it seems from what you said Jane the site work is the driving cost if recal passes does that change what this means for those courts so like bringing electricity obviously is going to come
with the building so that's a thing that is not going to be exclusive to this project um do we have a sense of what that saving would be you know will we so it sounded to me from Sharon that we're
waiting to even authorize debt or borrow until those things are resolved and understood so will we revisit if we have you know recal project moving forward like what does that mean for this individual project because I think
that would be helpful information for town meeting to have if it's a thing we can know I don't I think it's something that we can know um I don't know specific the specific dollar figure for that when we when we decided that we would pursue these as two different
pieces we um I I my direction was I want pickle ball to stand on its own two feet I want recel to stand on its own two feet um because if one passes and the other what doesn't we have to be prepared for it eventuality so we can get that number for you it's why we
chose the same um civil engineering firm the same um architect to to do both projects so you would see a savings in some of the underground site work right some of the the storm water retention um you would see savings a little bit in the electrical um rmld is a great
partner to work with so we're not see that is a huge cost right now it is a cost though to bring it to bring electricity to pickle all for lights um but that's not that's not a huge cost um so we would see more parking we wouldn't
have to duplicate some of these pieces so you know there could be a savings um there would be a savings I'll get uh for town meeting a specific figure as best I can that Mak sense no competition there's no competition yeah I mean like it like if both happen they're all ready
kind of sit in a ways that it doesn't impede that's correct well and pickle ball could move forward ahead of recal Rec's going to spend a while designing before they're going they're going to be longer designing um which is why I mean my estimate to you is very conservative anded um because pickle ball is on the
I'm sorry recal is on the they would go out to they would be ready for a bidding environment next like January February time frame so pickle ball would be earlier um but so pickle ball could go first the the road improved ments are not carried in pickle ball by itself
there are no Road improvements it'll still be Range Road gravel to get to pickle ball if recal passes there will be a road there so that's not carried into pickle ball cost so it'll be a better project as well um should recal pass but I can that's a great suggestion
so I will pursue that and the special town meeting second night yes so in theory we should be debating this article after in the after we debate on recal I know
it won't go to the voters until after to meeting is concluded but at least if we have a sense of town meetings appetite for the debt for the entire project I I think that would be helpful context information to include if it's something that you can magic some numbers if we
want we don't magic numbers we research numbers we back them up with data for sure we we will do that it's a fancy way to say that's an interesting the thought about what comes up one night is something I hadn't thought about I think been spoiled by some some Town meetings that ran very smoothly recently like one night for the budget one night for
everything else um um or you know one night for NBTA communities one night for everything else kind of stuff so um you know uh I guess I'd been before I looked at the warrant I'd assumed it was going to be everything else than the uh than
uh kill and recal and then uh the budget the following Monday um there is a lot here so maybe we don't get through everything else um then again the hopefully the budget is also not controversial this year so we could fit if if we don't do
everything else we could still get out in three I guess is what I'm saying that would be nice yeah I'm not selling a great time meeting no I mean I'm I'm I'm I'm wrestling with it out loud here as I'm I'm you know spring is always I think there going to be I think that the the
kill them and recal are going to take longer than we think 15 20 minutes may maybe the public hearing on the second but I think yeah uh John uh is the 200k from the Burbank trust committed to this project
or is there still another level of approval that that would need I would defer to Sharon for that the Burbank fund can be used whatever we want to use it for it wouldn't be using all of the funds it would just be using 200,000 but who who
decides Tom does that yeah Tom can decide that yes yeah so this is us spending the ver F if we spend it it's a proposal for us is town meeting not finance committee Sharon does that need 2third approval to use
it that I don't know um I would think it's majority but I don't know that for sure so we could check and find out it's not borrowing so I wouldn't think it'd be 23 but have to askor no that's that's notable cuz I'm
sure people might you know we have certainly seen projects you know pass or fail based on what the funding source required majority versus 2/3 and people on the floor moving the money around people on the floor say oh we
make it 300,000 out of Burbank well it's also majorities they could do that if they wanted to you know what I'm saying like be prepared for those types of amendments on the floor you why don't we just do you know 300 out of this and what you know and have someone you know see I think I think be prepared for yeah
be prepared for all of that you know on on the floor you know like oh someone asking the question how much is in the bur Bank Trust Fund that's right there and then you know or you know and then saying well why don't we just use all 400 okay yeah now I've heard rumors of other people wanting other uses for the
bur Bank fund like continuing the inclusive Sports and that kind of stuff no each comes each year so so I have a couple questions for you thank you um so this is one of the articles that I am a fle ball player but
also finan we don't hold that against so question number one long-term maintenance and operating cost okay with this do we have an estimate how much who will will pay for for it uh so it would become part of our operational budget
our Capital Improvement plan that it would you know like we take care of our other fields and and Facilities is there any appetite from the uh nonprofit to for some of that cost or um they have not indicated that right now my
understanding is they've been working to fund raise for these initial investment um it's our hope that with the post tension concrete and I've talked with Jim Sullivan the recreation D you know director um at length and it's his wish that um if it's asphalt it's going to be
a headache all the time it's going to require a lot more work it's going to require a resurfacing and that's going to get more expensive um versus the post tension concrete which has a 5year warranty but has a track record of 20 to
30 years like well proven everywhere so to give you a sense and also the ball sounds better according to Joe is that harder on the knees of the pickle ball players playing on post tension concrete versus asphalt or does
it matter you guys would know it depends on the Mike has an answer to that the concrete is is the base layer and then there's layers on top of that that are the the pling surface yeah and they're the same oh so it's still it's
still a hard base under it though but doesn't it's a pretty heart based tennis courts all them see so my other comment and this is putting my finance committee hat on is
uh obviously the cost for this is extremely high oh I think it's extremely high do we really need that many maybe we do maybe we don't but you are also residents of reading uh and one thing that I want to point out is for the next
10 years year we can pay in full all the public safety police and dispatch Capital items with 1.3 million and you're asking the town to pay so for the next 10 year we can actually Wipe Out the whole Capital plan for Public Safety
all items in there and that will cost 1.3 million so just I want to I want to point this out just so you can be aware um of what you can do with that much money if the need is there and if it's a community priority I'm all for it but
also putting my finance committee head we look at the capital plan very very close we look at the Deb borrowing very close I'm a former Treasurer I know how much money we will be paying per year for that borrowing so and then when I
look at the public safety and I look at police cars enforcement Vehicles fire placement all of these are planned for the next 10 years it cost 1 3 million so I just point that out um because sometimes timing is all
it needs if it's if we can wait a couple of years or even a year and then bulk it with another project like the like the recal maybe it's worth it um but I'm on the fence for this personally I'm a as I said I love pickle ball but um it's just
a cost it's wait maybe another site or maybe we invest and look at another site I know it's expensive but it's just that's my reasoning behind it if I'm a resident of ring and I love going to and playing P Ball but then I look at the
price tag for this and it's just it's a lot that's why I said because you could get some Court yes you know maybe there's a compromise I agree with me and maybe that's that's the approach but the resident that would be
the the uh intention when we go out to bid is to see is to have our designer kind of bit it with a base that's a little bit low and then altern it so we can get to that seven qut design but we'll have it here's what the base cost is without lights here's what it is at
you know six quarts five quarts whatever we decide um and I and I hear I hear your point I think that it's in line with other projects that we've done um in the recreation space um I also think when you look at pure communities that
are doing similar types of design we're seeing these numbers so we there's a lot of comparing us to you know asphalt courts on a flat field with catch basins and everything that already exist and that's not that's not a pure project and
to put something like that to put these courts in a space like that in Reading could be done but it would have an impact on residents exactly Vis the noise and so that's why the site and I I totally get it Andre and you're raising all the right questions and and the other thing that bothers me also is when
you say um unpredictable beaing climate that's another red flag that we there is lack of confidence in the cost estimate that they provide that's why that is there um so once they start working
there it's difficult the electrical work is is just is there's a lack of confidence in the cost estimate that that we have for this project and I'd love to to tell with you and talk about you know what what's driving that that lack of
confidence I have confidence in these numbers um there is there are power lines going through there already to the the gun range there's power on the road you know there's not gas on the road that's why you know weal will be an electric building um so you know there's
there's a lot of factors there these are conservative numbers so I think that I think we can I'm pretty confident we can bring it in at 1.5 still I feel I understand um I'll go and then joke um I mean on
the the I don't think anybody said this this particular time but I I do want to repeat the observation that like people have you know a lot of people spent a lot of time looking for a place to put pick ofall courts and I you know nobody's going to complain about
the noise next to the rifle range um that is uh you know probably um I mean that's the thing so I don't uh you know obviously I'm not crazy about the estimated cost and I see the estimated cost as a function of the site and I see the site as being not especially
negotiable because we have looked and we can't do it at Birch Meadow and we can't and I don't even know what the other choices are besides Birch meow at this point um uh we are already doing it at Memorial Park and can't do it more there um so so if the site's not negotiable
and the cost is a function of the site then you have to either accept the cost or not I think my thoughts a Joe yeah like Andre I definitely hear what you're saying like you know you look at the capital plan too and like that's 4 million a year
like I'd go as far as be more aggressive and get this done and take 50000 out of that and 500 out of free cash and go home because I you know we've been talking about this for a long time and I think there is a big need you know personally I don't play pickle ball much but you know I played Memorial a couple
weeks ago and the things are dumped now like there's all cracks and I I don't even know if you're going to talk about Memorial but like I you know we don't really soon we won't have a place to play Pick a ball and betting you know it's like I'm in the over 60 group with Maryann and like you know like what what are we going to do are we gon to stay
here we gonna you know move out of this town right so um I I hate like that we're financing this for 10 years I rather wish we were just getting this done because I I think there really is a need for this in ring so okay just pile on to Joe's comment my
Recreation hat on um you know Andrew you said if this is identified as a community priority you feel much more happy and comfortable with it I can tell you that we had more than one meeting where more than 60 pickle ball players came to town hall to talk about the need
in this town um and if that's who you can get to show up to a random Tuesday night Recreation meeting in town hall uh you know I know it's a Vibrant Community there's a lot of players and people wait for hours to play um it I I see it you
know at the beginning Mike can tell you I was like this is a want like you have some courts you can play and now it's it's a need there's just not enough space for the the demand that they're experiencing and I am my finance committee hat on that's a big number and
it's it's hard to swallow and watching us push out trucks year after year that are going to break down on our DPW guys and you we have a sander that's moved out I think three times at this point so it's it's it's hard and I I I hear that perspective too I'm I'm struggling with
the number but I do see that you know there's nowhere for them to go and you know if people are waiting two hours to play one game of pickle ball it is what it is so there's no indoor indoor space in
here for peeka ball is it they the wreck well I don't know if they still do but when I was on rep committee the recreation division sponsored indoor pickle ball in the winter in like School gyms um so I'm I'm sure many of you
played in those and will probably say they were not super sufficient but did the job for what what you needed in the offseason but um in in the spring and summer I so far as I know those programs don't exist but I have been out a wreck
three years now so I don't really know Jenna is on the call if uh y Emily is spot on um in the past year or two we have had a retired pickle ball Enthusiast um run some outdoor programming for us too in the spring and
summer Jack drink water so he's been tremendous and yeah our um indoor pickle ball programs as well as the outdoor pickle ball programs have been really successful and I mean you're impressed by the 60 people crowd I'm impressed by the raising $200,000 also
that I I haven't seen anything like that in my experience here there was one big donor in it too right however it happens it's Di and quarters doesn't matter it's it's it's super impressive and and and it was an
ask at the um at the financial Forum I don't it must have been last year the year before and so it's you know um yeah I I you know I I'll weigh in as well I know we're not you know anywhere near starting to vote on these but um I
I hear the um uh the concerns um uh but uh the I think the time is is the time is upon us to be able to act on it as a community okay all right any questions questions on that all right okay thank you thank you for that discussion thanks
to Jane and her team for all the hard work they've done on this article as you can see in Sharon as well um I think the last article that we require your vote on is Article 15 which is the lead replacement program lead mitigation this was in 2024 we did phase one completed
phase one of this project so this would be phase two so it's a borrowing of 1.5 um however through the MW there's no interest loan there's grants it's something that's a federal requirement
um so it's on the um on the warrant could be voted on the town engineer will be at town meeting to explain any more if needed um but we we've done this before and it's required and we have an advantageous borrowing on this plus
grants um we are asking for time needing to approve it so I have a question about the the borrowing of of um you know if we're really getting a a zero interest loan on this this is still and it's still going to be
displacing that that same you know this amount of of uh 2.5 million on the capital plan is that right or or is this actually somewhere else is this in water Enterprise this is this is Enterprise fund so it's separate from the general
fund and the M borrowings are usually 75 % Grant and 25% um loan sometimes they're straight loan and they're no interest so they're definitely desirable for that reason alone zero interest um it looks like
this one is saying it's 25% Grant so I'm I wasn't familiar with that but I it's usually 75% Grant and um 25% loan this one looks like it might be the other way around if I'm reading it correctly but
but either way it's a zero 0% borrowing which we won't get we doing General obligation bonds say I suggest that be do you think Sharon the5 sorry would that be a typo on this the 25% or I don't know I mean
Ryan makes us aware of the mwa offerings that we qualify for so it looks like he approved an additional 100 okay so I don't know there is a 20 5% Grant component for commun communities who
fully fund the removal of Le it could be that this is a specifically new Pro you know a new offering and that this one's 25 but most of the ones we've seen we we've we've accepted ones that were completely loan 100% loan um but most of
them have been 7525 but this one specifically says 25% Grant um so that's why I'm not sure but either way there you know it's some component of free money and 0% I can look and see what I put it on
my um de schedule for let me take a look was going double check with the town Engineers I was going to make a similar comment to to Mark in terms of d double check that because obviously it's it's a it's a you know 75% Grant is an you know even easier sell yeah so for sure
right so it does say communities who fully fund the removal so I I could imagine there are communities that say we're not paying the full cost of of removing lead services on private property right there's the part from the main to the shut off and then the shut off to the house is is usually the
homeowner's responsibility in fact we had to do ours shortly before this program started okay but you know having the uh the town fully fund removal is you know something obviously the state appearance to to want to encourage communities to
do do I don't know whe if I guess if Ryan's not on the line I'm curious this this unknown material right unknown service material I wonder what percent of those came back as actually being led you know there's something you don't know and now we dig it up did we find
that most of those are in fact LED or most of those are galvanized or yeah he's not on he wasn't available tonight he's not on the line but I could double double check that get back to you so my de scheduled because we have to authorize the full amount for 1.5 I do
not have a notation on it if it's 7525 split or a 2575 split but I have to authorize the whole 1.5 so that's what shows on my debt schedule so I'm not sure so we'll definitely have to get back to you but if there is a grant component that that
wouldn't be a borrowing that would be free money and he does say there's a 25 25% Grant component it could be a typo but all the ones I've seen have been 75% Grant 25% loan
any other questions on this so now I believe this is the part where we double back and vote on everything yep all right get my notes ready here because I want to give
uh uh we'll we'll do this one roll call so that Mark gets a chance to vote especially because I some of these may be split votes yeah how many how many articles you got to present the Articles and weren't you not going to be there for all the time I'm not going to be there for special night all right so
just so we're probably and and we're not assigning those yet CU we're not voting on those today after I'm just uh yeah hold on I'm counting 1 2 3 4 five 6 7 8 9 10 uh so yes one to do some double duty
here cuz we'll also have two more we'll have to need to report on on the two main articles for the special town meeting so we don't do article one yeah I have articles 4 five 78 you can do nine and 10 um as one well
no you can vote on them separ they're going to be separate on so 4 five 7 8 9 10 11 7 11 definitely 13 13 14 14 and 15 15 not anything else no
that's those are the only ones so the lead one was 15 okay it's a borrowing you need to vote on all right um I'm trying to remember do we need to be I guess we do need to do a motion for for each of these say motion for each and then motion for each
line and the budget score card right yes we'll give Mark a chance to sign off before we do that and give the before we do that what's that that one's five we do that last which whatever one we have to do in this scorecard we just do that one
last yeah no well we're going to skip over our article 11 for voting right now so that we can vote on everything else all right so let's Okay um yes please so we're starting with article four motion to recommend Article 4 of
town meeting as presented with Jeff's updates as as as amended I think is how we all put it yes please all right thank you Emily thank you Ed uh any discussion on that obviously
we you know Pepper with questions any more discussion any more discussion on that right any more discussion on that Ed uh all right uh seeing done uh let's vote um
Mark yes Emily yes uh Joe yes Maryam yes Jeffrey yes uh Ed yes andry yes Joe or sorry John yes and and Joe caran yes I'm so happy that I got Jeffrey then and then I received a skip John all
right that's 90 um Article Five uh update are you going to assign people oh yeah we should assign this um about say should I assign Ed because he had all the questions on it I think so what this four article four I'll take it thank you all right
thank you all right um Article Five uh updates to this year's budget motion to recommend Article 5 to town meeting as presented second actually I have an amendment another one if you can scroll down a little bit to the subtotal line
Jackie at n the 9 58 should be 988 or 998 sorry uh well you take 688 which is the net and you add back in the subtotal of the addition of the the 310 on the other
column you should you get 998 that's the quick yeah that's that's a typo I had to add 40,000 to the health insurance because the medx went up as of January um and I didn't incorporate incorporate that into my projection so I
failed to update that 958 to9 is that the correct number me look not 990 down all right there 998 because I added 40,000 so it' be
998 so that number is wrong but the the the from operating cash or the net free cash is correct I believe thank you for that catch so all he does Isa so recommend as
men second all right thank you Emily thank you Ed uh any other discussion all right let's vote uh Mark yes Emily yep Joe yes maranne yes
Jeffrey yes Ed yes and yes John yes and Joe caran yes I got all of us right for the first time tonight all right and that was 90 now as for the um I'm try to remember who had the most interesting questions about this one but it's been a while
um I'll uh maybe about say let's go with Jeffrey because that that the human calculator calculator if if if uh if anything changes between now and to meeting I know you'll spot itly
so I'm for you thank you all right and I'm afraid if there's a math error that I don't catch I'm going to be in trouble hold you responsible so are we tbling article six because there's nothing now or should we leave it as a blank I think we we we leave it until
until there's something if I mean prior years bills are very unusual to find at April town meeting um they're much more common at November town meeting obviously because we have we have done we probably met before 10e yeah I mean if if it it comes to that
we'll meet before meeting so all right so that brings us to article 7 OPB motion to recommend article 7 to town meeting as presented unless Jeffrey has another second all right thank you Emily
thank you Ed any discussion not really expecting this one it' be nice if we could save more but I think we're saving as much as we can all right um let's vote Mark yes Emily yes Joe yes Maran yes
Jeffrey yes Ed yes Andre yes John yes and Joe carahan yes that was 90 um I can do this too if you want all right go for it I was like if there's any volunteers I don't you
know I have no idea how prior chff did this if they just like had a list or it like they were much more heavy-handed the Tyrant anyway all right too soono okay all right so next up is uh
the revolving funds article article eight for article eight do you need separate recommendations on the two different revolving funds I don't think two different volume funds I think it's one is one is adding oh oh it's it's something that exists
it's just adding to the biop it should be done in one article no okay sorry I was thinking we were creating a new one we're just adding it to the bylaws right never mind so motion to recommend the contents of article 8 to town meeting as
presented thank you Emily thank you Ed any discussion all right uh let's vote Mark yes Emily yes Joe yes maram yes Jeffrey yes Ed yes andry yes John yes
and Joe carahan yes 90 again uh who wants to do that one I feel like I should save pickle ball for Emily so I'm put Emily on this one everybody knows I'm talking about pickle ball right right yeah no that's we we we understand it's it's been
you've spent years earning that privilege uh all right um uh andry like this one right let me write that down all right now uh hero act part one Thea
date uh motion to recommend the contents of article 9 to town meeting has presented second thank you Emily thank you Ed um any discussion seeing none uh
Mark yes Emily enthusiastic yes Joe yes Maran yes Jeffrey yes Ed yes andry yes John yes and Joe caran yes 90 um see if you say you're enthusiastic
about something I won't assign it to you but I won't because if we have to double I'm happy to do two you're going to do Whoever has this is probably going to do 10 as well probably yeah actually we should double up and do this one in 10 together that makes more sense so you do
all three I could do all three I love to hear myself talk or John could do n and 10 sure I think I think John could do nine and 10 all right there we go nailed it you're doubling the uh the the penalty for uh recommending someone don't forget that
we still have to vote on 10 we have not voted oh correct I know I haven't I haven't uh I haven't forgotten that so uh speaking of which motion to recommend the contents of article 10 town meeting as presented second thank you Emily thank you Ed any more
discussion didn't think so all right let's vote uh mark yes Emily yes Joe yes Maran yes Jeffrey yes Ed yes Andre yes John yes Joe caran yes all right uh skipping over the
budget okay we're done with the easy ones this one is Article 13 Haven Street uh streetscape improvements or yeah we keep saying Haven Street except it's totally High Street and there's like this much of but yeah once upon a
time still counts still counts motion to recommend the contents of Article 13 to town meeting as presented second thank you Emily thank you I so any discussion on this
one just we didn't have to do 11 I'm just looking back uh no we skipped 11 because we we have to do 11 yeah but we're going to like Mark's internet connection is going to mysteriously fail before we do 72 we have to vote on every line Y
all right um all right I don't see any discussion so let's vote on this one um Mark yes uh Emily yes Joe yes
maranne well a reluctant yes I'll I'll add that all right uh Jeffrey yes Ed yes andry yes John yes and Joe caran yes so that was was also 9 Z I'm not buy I'm on the record I'm not buying the cost but
we'll see all right well yeah but we're only yes then this is Emily you have't authorized yes I'll go ahead and write that oh we but we need um we do need to assign Haven Street um oh I'm sorry I thought this was pickle ball I'm like all confused oh yeah no that was wait
hold on that was Haven Street and High Street that was High Street take away my reluctant all right but anyway oh okay so so not Emily all right I talk so much I'll do Haven Street if if you want I'm fine with it okay you're fine okay that's that's that's especially given your vote the last time this came before
I changed my mind all right that's down say the reduced scope helped ease that one yeah oh gosh that's why we did it that's why we sorry it's been a long day read I hear that all right um so moving along
next would be article 14 motion recommend the contents of article 14 to town meeting as presented than thank you Emily thank you Ed any more discussion on this one talked about site we've talked about
$200,000 we've talked about 60 people at meetings all right let's uh let's vote uh Mark yes Emily yes Joe yes uh Mar you know my vote Yes okay oh so it is a yes
all right okay very well I mean it's yeah no it's yes but I just I hope they get something it may not be it may not be seven but it's not up to me yeah um uh Jeffrey yes Ed yes andry yes uh uh
John yes and there was I did you vote yourself uh yeah Joe Joe yes if I didn't say that down okay all right um okay and uh you know um before I get
forget to say cuz people may walk out at any time if you haven't signed in please do so that we can have uh people's names in the in the minutes for thanks all right so next up is Article 15 oh is let someone else can do the
motion if they really want it's not a rule like I said like to hear myself going sign Mark right so I should write Mark for 15 motion to recommend the contents of Article 15 town meeting as presented second thank you Emily thank you Ed um I haven't sign myself
either yeah yeah I figured you would do 11 though I mean that there is some logic to that yes um so all right um okay so any uh discussion on the lead pipe replacement program being none um let's vote uh
Mark yes Emily yes Joe yes Maran yes Jeffrey yes Ed yes andry yes John yes and Joe carahan yes 90 so getting over the part where some of our earlier votes were unanimous um
all right and uh Mark I'm giving this one to you by default um since we the others have all been given out you want to get that in before before your line disconnected all right I was losing my connection before well I'm about to say I'm uh pretty sure Ed gave me the budget
when I was not here last year so right so if you disconnect you're just going to get assign more things but yes all right so now I believe you need go Ahad I'll just but I approve the minutes too from last meeting if okay
all right yeah thanks Mark thank you all right so back to the budget on the we're definite the one night of tell meeting I know I'm going to miss is is May 1st right and but there's no way
we're doing anything besides kill and Rec I me I would think it'll be we'll take up the budget even if we run out of other things I'd imagine we would take up the budget at the beginning we always take up the budget at the beginning of a meeting so we take up the beginning of
umay we've always I mean if if someone's going to miss and they have the they have something that's going to be on the duck we just figure it out TR I'm sure yeah you traded out can you take up something from regular time meeting at a special time meeting we have to we'd have to close and reop and reopen okay
yes I'll come to think of it I don't actually I mean that's up to how the moderator wants to do it if if we're going to actually like adjourn town meeting from one Monday to the following Monday I think that's probably what will happen Okay that's what we okay then we'll skip special time Mee then it's literally impossible for us to uh bring
up any of the Articles we talked about tonight on that Thursday when we'll be there sweet so you'll be good okay spending scorecard is it in our packet am I the beginning of everything yeah sorry it was you know
when I was doing the agenda and we're like well obviously we're going do the budget and then was like oh no no we got to wait and see if Jeffrey has any amendments yeah you been crunching the numbers over there oh my gosh you need AI to do this for us right just
kind of go through don't ask AI to do math don't no kind of hallucination you can ask it to write I I no I should have asked a I had to write my uh budget summary I read it it was it could you it could have written it for you it got all person I'm not
sure if that's a compliment or no I mean you could have asked it but I could ask it to shorten it that's actually be curious what it does um but I probably won't now that's written all right um so let's see um I can't remember do we do a
motion on each line or do we just have a vote on each line we ation see how long it's nine let's see how long it takes yeah we motion and vote it'll be much quicker since we can raise hands but it's in a move to approve the the amount on line b99 we don't actually have to read the
whole yep all right okay so so now we have our format mov to approve the amount on line X um and then discuss it and then we can discuss it great so we're not going to are we hearing from town manager first
at all on anything no this is a culmination last we spent all of last meeting on this so yeah no I'm not saying any more the just check before ipped out before I start making motions no go right ahead all right
so motion to approve the amount shown on line b90 net no not approve recommend start over I got get right I'll second you every time so okay we're doing great so motion to recommend the amount shown on
b99 to town meeting second only thank you Joe uh any further discussion on this other than holy crap that's a lot of benefits I I just want to confirm that most to that benefits is the health insurance and other benefits weren't
also going up a lot we weren't asked to fund more but that's that's bigger than the health insurance increase benefits was something like 15 or 16 out of those 25 million okay uh I can look it up course no I mean it's it's said it's gone up 16 the benefits includes health
insurance um pension um so the pension goes up 88.3% so there's a lot going on in that benefits number not just is health insurance okay yeah cuz it because it's more than the health insurance that's just what I was asking I can't remember
Mar I responded to what you meant I'm not sure if it's what you said and I responded with the wrong words but I think you and I are both talking about the health insurance in particular as as a a the largest component of that line but but looks like something else went
up more significantly too if only if everything else was flat and 2/3 it went up by 133% we wouldn't get that that uh s big but other things went up as well yep okay no that's it I com we can take a all right um so all in doing this by
show of hands it's we're no longer hybrid uh all in favor uh that's a 8 z um motion to recommend amount shown on c99 Capital line of the spending
scorecard to tell me second thank you thank you Joe any discussion talked a bunch about in the form of article 4 but all right all in favor that's everybody so 8 Z motion to recommend the amount shown
online d99 Debt Service uh d99 Debt Service to town meeting sorry second you're good any discussion all in favor that's everyone 80 motion to recommend amount shown on
spending scorecard line e99 educational vocational to town meeting second uh any discussion other than another holy crap that's gone up a lot that's that's the voke school that's the V it's the voke it's it's totally
the V school and so it's kind of funny that it's not construction reckoned as capital but it's not really our Capital so like I get why it's you know does accom I mean it be accommodated across either way so what what Sharon's doing makes sense
terms of how it's trct all right then let's vote all in favor 8 Z motion to recommend amount shown on spending scorecard line f99 finance committee reserves to town meeting second any discussion same as every year
all right sounds good all in favor zero unanimous sorry sorry I have to I should actually say that jump jump in the gun no no no motion to recommend amount shown on spending score Celine g91 administrative Services wages to town meeting second thank you Emily
thank you Joe uh any discussion nope voting all in favor 8 Z unanimous motion to recommend amount shown on spending scorecard line g92 administrative Services expenses to town
meeting second thank you thank you Joe any discussion all right voting all in favor uh 8 Z motion to recommend amount shown on spending scorecard line g91a technology
wages to town be second thank you ell thank you Joe any discussion all right all in favor e zero motion to recommend amount shown on spending scorecard line g92 a technology expenses to town meeting
second thank you em thank you Joe any discussion voting all in favor see this is so much fun that's 8 Z we're uh sorry thank you I want to beat you this time no no no I appreciate it motion to recommend amount
shown on spending scorecard line h91 Public Service wages to town meeting second thank you Joe any discussion all right voting all in favor 8 Z motion recommend amount shown on spending score card line h92 Public
Service expenses to town meeting second thank you Emily thank you Joe any discussion voting all in favor 8 Z motion to recommend amount shown on spending scorecard line i91 Finance
wages to S meeting second this is our single solitary new half head count but we also know how busy Sharon is so I think that's you know any other discussion
all right let's vote all in favor 80 motion to recommend Mount shown on spending scorecard line j91 Public Safety wages we skip we skip finan from the record never happened Mo repeat rewind
motion to recommend amount shown on spending score card line I 92 Finance expenses to Second thank you Emily thank you Joe any discussion no voting all in favor 8 Z it switched where I had we can vote them out of War too it's not
against the lot well we don't want to miss any though yeah motion to recommend Mount shown on spending scorecard line j91 Public Safety we just to tell me second uh thank you Emily thank you Joe any discussion uh
wait now we're voting Ed that is 8 Z thank you motion recommend amount shown on spending scorecard line j92 Public Safety expenses to to meeting second thank you thank you Joe any discussion oh come on
boy Jo all right all in favor thank you 8 Z you saided chaos motion to recommend amount shown on spending scorecard line k91 Public Works wages to town meeting second thank you thank you Joe any discussion nope
voting all in favor 8 Z motion to recommend amount shown on spending scorecard line K92 Public Works expenses to town meeting second thank you Emily thank you Joe any discussion I
just don't know why it's dropping but anyway uh this is public minus 10% it just stands out the the tree cutting okay the tree cutting was a onetime thing the previous fiscal year all right I remember that one that's that's the one that we didn't
need in the yeah so all right yeah know the forry division in particular went way all right um so there was discussion how exciting all right and now we're voting all in favor 8 z i I do actually want to you
know people have concerns they should we should actually talk about all right thank you motion to recommend amount shown on spending scorecard line k93 Public Public Works snow and ice to tell meeting second thank you Emily thank you Joe any discussion
keep praying for warm weather all right uh all in favor 8 Z motion to recommend amount shown on spending scorecard line k94 Public Works street lights to town meeting second any discussion uh all in
favor Z motion to recommend amount shown on spending score card line k95 Public Works rubbish to town meeting second uh any discussion no thank you em thank you Joe make sure that's in the minutes and um any discussion nope all in
favor ETO motion to recommend amount shown on spending scorecard Line l91 library wages to town meeting second thank you only thank you Joe any discussion no all right voting all in favor need zero motion to recommend
amount shown on spending scorecard Line l92 library expenses to 10 meeting second any uh discussion thank you Emily thank you Joe no all right voting all in favor zero motion to recommend amount
shown on spending scorecard line m91 core facilities to town meeting second thank you only thank you Joe any discussion voting all in favor 8 Z motion to recommend a mount shown on spending scorecard line uh
M92 sound buildings to down meeting second thank you thank you I'm the one who can't even remember who's on the committee so like getting the numbers is all right um any discussion no voting all in favor thanks 8
Z this is a biggie motion to recommend the amount shown on spending scorecard line u99 school department to town meeting second thank you Emily thank you Joe any discussion any more discussion we had whole meeting for this NOP all
right let's vote all in favor 8 Z motion to recommend Mount shown on spending scorecard Line w99 Water Enterprise fund to town meeting second than you thank you Joe any discussion all right um let vote all in
favor motion to recommend amount sorry no that was me I was slow motion to recommend amount on spending scorecard line x99 sewer Enterprise fund town meeting second thank you only only thank you Joe any discussion nope all right
voting all in favor 8 Z motion to recommend amount shown on spending scorecard line y99 storm water Enterprise fund to town meeting second than you only thank you Joe any discussion nope voting all in favor 8
zero motion recommend shown on spending scorecard line z99 Peg access Enterprise fund to town second thank you Emily thank you Joe any discussion no voting all in favor 8 Z motion to recommend Mount
shown on spending scorecard Line zz9 Landfill Enterprise fund to town meeting second any discussion other than what a weird number for the line no all right voting uh all in favor
8 z shockingly uh 8 Z all right thanks Emily thank thank you Emily thank you Joe you just did nailed it oh God can't imagine doing that roll call all right um so let's see we actually reports took
12 minutes uh yes we skipped Lea on reports um because I knew there were a bunch of people who wanted to talk about pickle ball and I didn't want to get to that um but we can Circle back if anyone had any again it's only been a week since our last meeting but um there was a select board meeting um and some I
mean other committees as well so is there anything anybody wanted to report on I know your brain you prob if you if you had at the beginning of the meeting you probably forgot by now I know I would have I can give you select board reports
okay so they are going to have establish um they discuss the master plan where they want to pursue grants but they they're thinking of forming a committee to evaluate the master plan
for the town and I guess Finance wise two things happened they reappointed Sharon angstrom as Town accountant for 2526 and um they want to get they authorized another appraisal of the
Pleasant Street Center they're going to further discuss it but I know we had appraisals before um you know we were thinking of making it a replacement Senior Center so they they had a lot of discussion on how can they monetize something out of that whether it's
leasing it selling it you know make making some money off of it using it to offset cost of other things but I think they want to get another look at the value of it but is is the permanent building committee driving that or the select
board select board for the assessment yeah they'll do the assessment yeah they don't have a defin plan of what they're going to do with it it just gives them another option the permit building committee's scope is really cons buildings that are being constructed not
use of existing ones right they did the they did the building analysis that Joe was mentioning before they went through all the town buildings so yeah I think the concern was if they whatever other use if they were you they' still have to do some renovation of it to make it usable for whoever
might ultimately use it elevators those things like that and the gas leaks smell or whatever whatever the smell is the fact that we don't know what it is is Yeah a different problem say question we mentioned that they going to set up um for the um the
master plan committee a master plan are they just looking in the long or are they going to look at the capital they had a master I don't know about the capital it had both of them in the title master and capital yeah but they kind of sent spent more time talking Master it's like Master like the they had one in
2005 you know know what character of the town do we want what do we want this region to look like or that region to look like so that things aren't kind of just slapped together all over downtown and 10 different styles with okay this is the restaurant hear that they're
going to set up a a committee for the capital plant just I don't know no I I I I think Capital will be a part of it yeah I think a capital would be a part of it but it's I think it feels like it would be an outcome once they make decisions like say they decided we want
to make our town center be or something with the Eastern Gateway right yeah I was just going to say the same thing yep if that involved any construction but I think that it's just we haven't done it in so long and then in between there's been all this 40b and 40R and NBTA and
kind of just I want to call it noncohesive development and not a lot of good notes on you know like how to do the next one um so I think that you know that was part of it is you know looking at other Master plans and from other communi it's been raised at town meeting
over and over yeah but yeah but you know I I do think there'll be a section to it that looks at Capital and that's why I was asking the question about to Joel about the facilities plans to your question I I haven't heard
anything about the idea of of a capital planning committee I know that's a thing in in other communties yeah but they have they just have a standing committee that was I remember with the um I spoke with the select board member from Winchester who was talking about their recent CPA adoption and their their
Capital planning committee was itself a very engaged and opinionated entity in the in the process and I was like we don't even have any we don't have one of those yeah we we we' talked about having our own Capital yeah stop I don't know community and and there was one more
update that is kind of just when I said MBTA Community I said oh yeah I meant to update you this and and Matt could probably fill in I was speaking to a member of the cpdc who told me that we did get a letter February 25th they they mentioned it in the cpdc meeting that there's a first
half of the hurdle where we our MBTA zoning changes were approved by the state and now EO hlc the other the other division has to approve of them do you know more about that man yeah I mean that's true we did get a letter saying that and we we don't expect any issues with that but
um we did get a a letter saying that we're we got first a letter saying that we were in um temporary compliance and then when the RS came out and whatnot we got a second so I can share that with the fin com like I mean it's not so so
we are we in compliance yes um by and large there I I'll share the letter with you um I haven't read it in a little bit but I did review it with Andrew when it came in yeah I just think it would be a good announcement to the community if we're in compliance and we're you know
off the hook with the would to tell everyone good idea that's true it's not a finance thing it's a good idea can we just go back to like pleas the center so what what's the appraisal going to do though because I thought the last meeting we talked about I maybe I misunderstood it but I thought the
permanent building committee was going to be involved looking at the options so what would the what they what would the appraisal do just look at I don't know Jan was going to finalize codes and I'm going by a news article on it now I could remember we
doing AAL to do quot to find out how much it's worth if we want to if we end up selling it you know everything's sort of on the table at this point okay um so we we looked at some possible uses either Town uses renting it out to a nonprofit or or commercial entity and
also they want to know how much it's actually worth if we sell it so that's what the commercial and would we have that like a town meeting yeah yeah the goal is to get that before town meeting because that's probably going to come up at town meeting yes okay all right thanks and that's a historical
building yeah um yes or part of it partially yeah yeah parti okay the exterior yeah fire station yeah it's really cool I'm not even a big historic preservation I love that one
so all right um any other Bas on reports uh yes couple weeks ago the Eastern Gateway report was Eastern Gateway oratory committee report Report with that there will be a survey coming up soon and that survey is now available so find it on the town website give us your thoughts on what you like to see down
there thank you John anything else all right so next on the agenda is the um finance committee report to town meeting um I actually drafted it in advance of this meeting so you can look
at it um excellent D really you know really well done really really well done and and and a great idea to includeed in the um in the packet but I thought you did an excellent job thanks pretty
jealous were much shittier than I'm not I'm not I'm not trying to make you that no too bad this it happened I think you're setting the stage for the override warning in here just say it more over you're setting stage yeah it's
the back I have you know heard the you know idea I've heard right near the end of the packet yep I only have a 27 page packet oh I have a 30 page packet you got to go to you got go resent the
packets or just go to the the town calendar for today and then yeah that'll do it and bring up whatever the packets Gmail shows me all of the attachments so I just pick oh I don't even I didn't have go to the calendar SC scorecard was there we're
good to go yeah yes now but I do I mean to to your point Marian I have you know heard from you know you and others that you know it is our responsibility to be clear about you know not only this year's budget but future budgets and where we stand and so that's what I'm
trying to do yeah the ultimate would be just like reading it it's going to be in the um warrant and you don't read it but if you read read then I guess people would be forced to hear it if they don't re you know what I mean yeah I'm not planning we don't do these out loud anymore I I think back in the day there
was like a State of the State of the Town address by the selectboard chair and there might still be that we haven't for the last we haven't recently and I mean I think people kind of like the part where town meeting finishes sooner yeah which I don't to as much as I'd love to hear my own voice for three pages
um you could you could summarize you could summarize this in in five bullet point I I I will in fact com yes when when I well definitely defin a lot more color than that that's the I mean that is the
difficulty of communica the Nuance is important because if you just tell people like oh we increased free cash if you're telling people think we're a bunch of maniacs and what went up and you know the people who are new to here who didn't know well how much was the last override for again and right yes
how we how we've been plug in the gaps and S people don't understand that that's I try to explain it to people but it's it's nice to just see it laid out yeah so Sharon's got her hand up oh yeah uh
Sharon did we ever talk about um the increase to free cash did we vote to increase free cash from the $5.8 to $6 million to support the budget uh that wasn't inherently built into what you asked for us in the line it was it was
built into it but I guess um like I guess I was just wondering if we needed a separate vote because you guys voted the free cash level at 5.8 and everything I showed you was built on um6 million you know the 200,000 extra
needed for the health insurance was built in at this so I just want to make sure that nothing additional needed to be done well if we but if we did the not on the agenda if we did Article Five then didn't that include it in article no it's it's it's article one we're
talking about the we're talking about the FY 26 budget right and the fact that last fall our recommendation which I believe was a recommendation yeah budget guidance not budget mandate it's it's interesting we don't vote talked about different ways to cover
that extra 200 whether it be free cash or me changing my investment income projection or reducing we did we've voted benefits as it is so the only real options I have left are the free cash for um increasing my
investment in so I just want to make sure I'm clear thank you for calling that out explicitly because you're you're right we we um we did I mean so the thing is and I think I made this comment uh last the original
recommendation was yeah I made this comment last week where it's basically our choices are we could take it out of free cash we could take it out of something where we're counting on it going to Regeneration in which case we're taking it out of free cash so I honestly didn't think it mattered
too much which of those you know which way we take the extra 200,000 out of free cash um whether it's reducing regeneration by 200,000 or taking 200,000 out of free cash um okay so I don't know if people have a strong opinion about that it's kind of the same I just didn't know if you guys had an
official conversation specific feelings about where you wanted it to be do other people have thoughts you mean so it's free cash versus opab no it's free cash versus her changing adjusting her projection for
invest so you guys already voted theef l so that's off the table increasing investment income right sorry but I mean the the thing about the investment income projection is that it's just a projection we our vote does not cause investment income to change
more as a Pity um so uh you know it's it's either we um I guess that's kind of what I where I was going with the um I guess oped we could have actually seriously reduced um uh jeez this is not I know the rules
for reconsideration in town meeting I don't know the rules for here um but I guess we do a poll as to whether people actually want to go back and reopen line be recomend you don't usually like I'm sorry you don't usually tell me about you know what I can you know what the
revenues are that's that's just we don't vote on revenues so I just need to know that you guys are okay with the free cash being used or if you prefer me to do it the other way I think free Cas is safer like right CU we don't know yeah I mean so op I'm
against touching opab because we we are very like behind behind compared to other places and when I was treasur there were talks that the state could mandate it just like they mandate then they mandate pension yes and if they mandate it then you we are in kind of
big trouble but not big trouble but it's another thing that you have to and and free cash is the interest income is one thing that you always want to be careful cuz if you over budget and the interest income comes slow then you have another big old field so I not a
big fan of touching that interesting income in which because if we had another big hole to fill we would fill it with free cash so again it's a fre cash then or free cash now like we could we could you know I just say yes I think it's a good question how we want to
think about it and and opab versus not opab was probably um God I wish I thought about this clearly before I think that was the real question um uh I personally with Andre and terms of like we're not overfunding thing you
probably need now to change your budget summary uh do I you have 528 of free cash no I say we recommended in the fall and that it was subsequently increased to six okay yeah okay so I didn't read the second so I actually jumped the gun my letter would change actually my my my summary needs to change if we so your
summary needs to match what Sharon does yes Jo's already written it down Sharon I think we keyword is draft it's totally we can change it we can totally is this is support so it's not like because it's was in the packet technically we not
um talking about it now is not like an not open Med didn't specifically say it because you put this in the package I mean it's also it's also yes we're fine oml wise um thank you for for for looking into that but that that's yeah that I'm thinking about that um because
you know line the alternative to free c one of the alternatives to free cash would have been reducing line uh B9 9 that we voted on that is on our agenda tonight so um alternatives to you know what we did are in scope for discussions of what
we did um all right is there anyone who wants us to do anything besides just say okay it's coming out of it's it's in revenues and then which we don't vote on yeah recognized and understood but I
don't think we need do Sharon just give me a heads up if I need to change letter from six back to 5.8 um but sounds like you're leaning towards the six anyway so yeah I was leaning towards free cash because I know we have the free cash and I don't you know investment income we
don't know when that's going to start to plummet you know so that's that's where where I prefer to take it is from free cash but yeah it's not up to me when it comes to free cash it's up to you guys so Sharon on that on that point just I thought of something here so if you went
down the first path and you said okay well we're going to do it uh based on investment income H how would you um re-report or like what would be the stages say so say um you thought it was going to be you whatever the
investment income you overdid it by uh by 200 it came in um under 200 what would you what would you what would you have to do with that point um when you realize that like what what's what would the process be that you'd have to do at
that point so it would it would be if I had a deficit in revenues in total like because if other revenues are are up and cover that deficit for investment income then I wouldn't need to do anything just yeah so just the deficit so say if you
had a deficit I'm sorry so say if you did have a deficit in revenues what would you what would we I would have to bring it back to to town meeting and get free cash okay I it it be just like what we do it' be Article Five it would go into
Article Five the current year budget adjustments um just like you know when vacation bus come in so so given given that scenario I'm even more in line of what we what we did tonight so right because in that scenario guess what we
would do town meeting would' have to vote on spending for cash and it wouldn't have a whole lot of choices either cuz that's not like again we can't will the investment income higher yep Sharon thank you for bringing that up I'm definitely
um all right anything else to be said anything else about the yes yeah too well first like great letter the only thing about the like the third sentence oh okay it says like reading is well positioned to fund a level service budget and then you kind of say but I I
don't know if I put the if you could take the well out I'm not sure if we well to positioned I mean I know maybe glass is half full but yeah I mean or or okay so Point taking there's some semantics here about like well we're well positioned to fund it this year
that doesn't mean we're well positioned to fund it in FY 29 we're also taking a lot of free cash and you say that we could be using in the future right to to help yes we're well present positioned to fund it because we have a mountain of free cash but you say reading is able to
fund or yeah like some yeah just I mean that that's hold on I need to put this in my notes here um also I can't find my own letter I maybe I'm being too uh no no this is this is this is good feedback um well by then it's saying will we be able to
do it in the future because you you ask questions like right or like even your how is this possible you said the keyword is operating I felt like you should also say how is this possible you know inflation something I mean the 68% increase we can do that with operating
but why was there a 68% increase um free cash used right and it's because because the budget's growing right well right operating is growing at 3 and a half% and uh and revenues once you take out
the effect of the debt exclusion I think Sharon said that was like 3.49 which couldn't be closer practically um but then because accommodated costs that's was growing faster % is 30 and 13.6
yeah is is town and it's school not counting economic accommodated costs those are going both going up three and a half% but accommodated costs boy howdy so uh let me write this down about um
yeah I did read a bunch of these previous summaries before writing mine there's often a lot of talk about you know patting ourselves on the back for what a good job here we do here and we do do a lot of things right the fact no we didn't have any you know we didn't have any any employees and to schools go
on strike y so we managed to get those contracts in and just were able to pay them yes we didn't have to get about yes we had neither an override nor a strike like that is whereas practically everyone else had one of the two or
both so that's good and uh yeah but yeah unfortunately if if with Benefits doing what they're doing and rubbish disposal doing what we know it's going to do um so but yeah I'll I'll
I'll try to correctly calibrate the opening optimism there uh I mean we are again we're fine this year we didn't like there are no no there are no Cuts I agree yes um shows be
well J want to go home using a lot of free cash to be well position but I mean it's a well because we are well positioned by having a bunch of free cash that's the that was kind of where I was going with it if that's not clear I though that's that's actually again if you could leave the well
positioned and then like italicize current for just the yeah for the coming year you there also people that just read the first paragraph that's always you know that's true yeah no yeah I don't want well this isn't a news
article we got to have the headline right I do get to a bun cre the second paragraph Yes about say you won't believe how much free cash this town is us saying it's always like you know get it's a one
weird trick Town treasurers hate this all right okay um we're getting yeah we're getting we're getting Punchy too late all right um all right I mean I will stare at that sentence and figure out what I want to do with it when do you have to have it submitted that's a great question
tomorrow I think I think we're going to print with this tomorrow Jackie can correct me if she's on there so soon oh goly I feel like tomorrow oh we're done you know what it
was it was last year cuz I remember last year we talked about it but hadn't drafted yet but last year we ALS only had three budget meetings so this conversation would have been happening a week ago in which case there would have been a week left to spare before printing I did mine the night before so
all right um perfect the yeah okay all right well in that case I mean we could probably ship it as his somebody will find a typo Jeffrey I meany if you want something the English I mean American English punctuation the
period should be inside of the quote and after operating oh goodness we're going to get to that level and I don't three or four times through the document yeah I understand that you don't like it that way but that's American Standard
country phal all right yes then should there be a you know a colon after must either before the series of bullet points and this is that yeah every time you have an and or a but you need to press um I'll I'll accept
the the American quote thing I mean it's it's a it's I could blame my co-workers who are of course from all over the world or I could blame but the fact is I don't I Jeffrey's right I don't like the American custom on that I don't think it makes sense but uh anyway that's
um the rules as I scan through it Oh you mean the comma after is before no no the um the uh end sentence with a quotation the terminal the terminal symbol of the sentence goes inside the quotes even if
it is not part of the quote it just has to go inside the quotes because it does that's that's what I was taught in school and so that's why I'm not the moral the story you use too many quotes I mean you know they they say you can identify people by their writing
styles or whatever like the uh you know you did a good job I I I stand by you did an excellent job yes you got dead exclusions there ja yeah son of a gun oh my God goes ins I mean I could have okay so know what I'm doing next
time is safe no what I'm doing next time because what I what I I ended up I used um I used quotes to emphasize some things where it could have been italics but lesson learned invest to save is a quote actually it's a Tom wise quote from when he was talking to us about the school
budget but I liked it so I'm stealing it um future G uh I think so well we get in meeting on what are we going to we're voting on something on at 6:30 on this second is that's it vote on the special
our next meeting will be I unless something's changed and I'm hoping Jackie will yell at me if something's changed um at 630 actually we don't have a place yet I don't know if there's an update on that oh was it going to be the high school library but we thought go classroom or something classroom Library
High School is uh yes contined library is booked for that at 6:30 on the second for us yes sweet all right I feel more open having it in the library than having it in a random classroom I'm aare the precin meetings happen in classrooms but PR meetings are also part of town
meeting and are not actually no I like it we meet in the library that's you know anybody wants to watch us vote on two articles um it is kind of animatic because we've had about 17 different forums in which we've heard about recal and killum and then we're going to and there's more in the coming
weeks too that we don't we'll be yes and we'll be back we we will be at our 72nd uh such Forum that night but prior to that 72nd Forum we will get together and you know Pro just the you know however many of us are there in person vote on the recommending those two
articles but I understand the wording is not ready now we can't vote on it now so no you didn't want to the select Bo's going to close the the warrant on it on April 1st so we discussed doing it after this right and the word is pretty close so okay
all right so so that will be our and yes I think my you know my proposed agenda Maran you on this email thread was literally just that not anything else for that meeting not going to try to do minutes or anything um I don't even know when our next meeting is I don't know if
we technically have public comment and someone shows up to say something but I think that's probably it I mean if um if someone shows up to say something I'll let them but I wasn't planning on putting on the agenda strictly speaking anything we do that isn't a hearing doesn't have to have follow comment I think it's bad for him
not to but um well it's a hearing to vote on is it a hearing to open on the special time meeting warrant now no we have to have a hearing on the budget we don't have hearing on special time meting exactly so um and then the one thing I
was trying to look up uh is our schedule you had a placeholder for next Wednesday but I don't think you're going to need that no no thank you yeah Cate Forum next Wednesday yes yeah there'll be there
will be a candidate Forum oned so Wednesday is it Wednesday Wednesday and then yeah we'll have our um okay and then we don't meet again as a committee until June when we will undoubtedly be asked for some vcom
reserves to make something balanced the year time uh yes but we won't meet as a committee as oh Goa as I learned with that sentence about well positioned I be careful not to lean too much on people hearing every word so what's the coming year I didn't say forever okay but if if I'm leaning
too much of those words it's not clear communication toly noted I would would try to frame that differently to this time although it sounds like too late for this one all right uh so I don't think we have to talk about any future agendas
beyond that um I think we have some minutes to approve move to approve minutes from March 12th 2025 second thank you Ed thank you Emily um taking one more look feel like there was something that I was thinking
of nitpicking and then decided not to uh proba me a quote somewhere no because because when they analyze Jackie writing they're going find there's no Poots in it so ah
um obviously this wasn't busy meeting with lot of stuff oh yeah the library Professional Services line I think is for more than Outsource vendors but Amy did use the words Outsource fendors I actually rewound the
thing so like that's fine as minutes anyone else all right if there is no further discussion let's vote uh so all in favor of approving the minutes as presented uh any post okay and one obain
that was a 701 um what said he wanted to vote to approve before he left here he's not here so doesn't doesn't count all right in that case I will entertain a motion to adjourn motion to adjourn second thank you Ed thank you maranne uh all in
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