##VIDEO ID:qvKm1WY7Tjs## e e recording in progress we'll see see for the challenge the I make a joke I know all right okay we call this meeting to order of the rld Board of Commissioners uh November 26 um and U see we the meeting is being audio recorded held remotely on zoom and live streamed on rctv um and the board is recognizes the importance of hearing public comment put the description of the chair and items on the agenda once recognized all persons addressing the board shall State their name and address prior to speaking it's the role of the chair to maintain order and all public comments for ensuing discussion um members participating remotely I believe that's Pam y anybody else NOP that means we need to do gooll calls y okay with that um oh y call the C for second we never did that okay um any comments from leaz board no yeah so um acting as contact person for the killum building the school uh sustainability committee person whatever we had we had a good discussion today um Greg Megan met with a number of people from the architectual team uh and Carla uh the chair of the scho school building committee and talk through I guess we're really looking at two options one town owned and one rmld owned and kind of talk through what which each of those two scenarios meant and and what the relative value is there's still some details about um how much energy they're going to need but there still five ventilation system options I think four electric ones fossil fuel powered um but the degree to which they are electric it depends whether it's ground s seat pump or air s seat pump or combination of both so they're working through those uh as well as I think their different ventilation scenarios in terms of ducted or not ducted or so until they kind of sort through that they're not quite ready to give us a number to finalize our our cost proposal to them but we we talked through what the parameters were and uh good discussion a timely discussion um so I'm I'm glad it's happening and uh that's great going good any G back up for this um there's that's still in the discussion as to whether or not the part of that will depend on the nature of the use as a emergency shelter because that has specific requirements for being independent of external sources whether there'll be a generator there um it'll also matter whether as far as backup battery storage whether that's an rmld facility owned or whether that they're owned if they they're doing the panels then there probably won't be a battery there um they'll just use the power behind the meter and then draw power from the grid as as they need if arm rmld owns it then we'll probably maximize the area back it up with battery and deliver power they need and then keep the rest so yeah still evolving but the discussion is is good um yeah and we're going to attend so we have an intermediate meeting but Our intention is to attend the next SBC meeting on the 16th right December and there's an intermediate discussion between now and then to finalize those details so um yeah no making good progress I'm very glad they um we've got high level interaction now between the chair building committee and rmld um that needed to happen it it probably couldn't really have happened before now because there were too many things floating around but now that we're getting down to the details of now we know how build the building's going to be and what the surface area of the building is and a couple of these other things is it's now time to kind of get a little more granular on the power numbers so Megan Greg thank you for uh for that that was awesome quick quick question um primary meter or Transformer based it dep so they're still um they think their load is going to be significant like one k a th000 KVA they want 2500 amps at 480 3 we'll see what the number really comes out to be yeah so it it depends upon what they final is it's it's on the margin yeah who who owns it who maintains it with the public building that becomes the key it becomes a very very important thing for maintenance in the future I would highly advise that it's rmld owned and M maintained regardless of if it if it takes up more space it's just it's just a something to think about past experience you might have experience Denis with schools and I don't know if ARL owns them or Wilmington owns them but it could be very very problem problematic if the town owns um the Transformers sometimes just changes the changes the dynamic I think from Town's perspective would rather not own the Transformer but I think From rml's perspective you guys would rather not only the times yeah gonna be responsive no matter what oh yeah absolutely but I just I know there was you know there's been some talk or you know as we come across some things with water department whatever so yeah but um going back to the school I was at the Westwood um msba um conference that they just had and they they did a tour of westw which is geothermal andola and um the panelist um up on the um panel all talked about different things about geothermal and the woman from reading that was I think on the school board brought up that maybe the geothermal Wells would go under the school and every single solitary one of the um board panelists highly recommended you do not go under a building with geothermal you never replace it and they said it it becomes other issues unless it's your last res never go to the building um and for like one we we're looking at building a school would put us out in the fields and it would come none of the piping or anything would go into the building but she did bring up the fact that it was going to be angled under the building and every one of them kind of Express concern said do what you need to do or what you want to do but if it goes under the building I'd be concerned so I just yeah um I know in my house there's a um glycol line that goes under the foundation like any plumbing system might but as far as the wells I think the concern is structural primarily that you wored about these Wells aren't that big that I would worry about there's no exchange with the ground except heat you know thought to replace the they said there were issues which every system eventually has an issue yeah just said that down the road and they said again it's up to each town but yeah they would highly recommend you to not going to the building with the wells even in angle so I just figured i' share that with part up and writing's name was used I I personally don't remember exactly where the wells are most of the well heads are not in under the building but there might be some angular drilling that I saw in a drawing and I don't know if goes under a footing or not I just figured I share what was the top yeah yeah thanks anything else not public comment you have Rebecca in the Rebecca are you there yes sorry um I am here I just wanted to make sure that um we were going to discuss um the issues I raised at the last public comment it wasn't clear from the agenda and I realized i' had forgotten to ask three questions um the first question is I was wondering how many uh residential customers you have at the 50% level who would be owed a refund and um and then uh after that I was curious to know how many residential customers would be left after you um take out the 50% level customers how many will you have left and how many commercial customers do you actually have right now and um and of course I'll be very interested in any plans to increase enrollment in this program or uh expand the use of opt out programs rather than these optin things where you have to do something and that are very underutilized from the numbers I had been told Last Winter thank you thank you yeah we did Greg and I talked earlier this week and it is it is on Greg's report to address uh those questions so thank you yeah I just add one thing too um I don't know if everybody has read but uh yesterday I released my retirement letter to the media it's on it's been posted on the post and it's also in the uh recap everything in ready so it's definitely definitely no turning back no turning back at this point getting you getting a parade who knows what I'm maybe I'll get this chair named after I think it should be the room already named after somebody he's right over here wind spur the confence maybe the table named after oh there we go I see it thinking wi spur I'm what do we know about wi spur wi spur was a commissioner for many many years I don't remember the exact number of years but he was a commissioner for many many years is that his actual name or is that his stage name Winford spur wind spur okay the spur the spur family was was very um prominent here in reading for many years they ran um asart which is down off of Haven Street they did U if you ever get the uh pictures and they have the little things that mount the corners they manufactured that and did very well over a long period of time so they were very when I believe was was an was an attorney the corners he was an attorney here in reading and he served for many years on the board and when we were on Haven Street the the conference room was named after him when we moved here the board felt was appropriate to name this conference room him we have another conference yeah so anyway whatever whatever you know thank you pH and okay congrats and you know many thanks and everything thank you for your service yeah we we be able to say that a few more times so okay um ready to move on with minutes okay any comments oh oh yeah want Vic and I spoke just want to reiterate from last week that you know uh appreciated the discussion and definitely welcome as much and as robust input from the cab in any form as as you guys put in and uh yeah want to restate that to you know Dennis and all of you thank you thank you yeah no no I think it's important to recognize that you know the way rmld is structured to be governed and and and I'm saying this I'm the reading representative on the camp but I'm trying to take take a camp perspective Camp first perspective clearly you know the way it's structured there's no ambiguity as to how it's govern commissioner but it's very clear that more than what it's almost three4 of the load yep and the revenue comes from from books I reading yep and so you know Wilmington and all the towns are really important players in the whole scenario so so it's appreciated I know Phil you always has historically been you know always sought input from the cab and I know sometimes you have not voted because there was I know one particular instance where there was not a decision from a cab or something so let appreciate it and I think that Spirit needs to be maintained so I just want to reinforce what you said yeah and any initiative and motions and you know ideas are more than welcomed and appreciate it thank you um and and we need to get the Linfield position yes we trying to bug them but okay so anything else on on that or anything before then we the minutes okay so uh yep C moves that the rmlb citizens Advisory board approved the July 25th 2024 Open Session minutes as presented on the recommendation of the general manager and the board secretary second volte hi hi I assume that when you talk the board secret you mean the cab board secretary I assume you mean that yes so maybe you should add that make sure that just gets yes yes yeah C implied yeah word Cab in front of board cab cab is a board we can't SL [Laughter] Jason okay want to have a motion on our minutes move the arm the Board of Commissioners approved the May 14 2024 June 5th 2024 July 5th 2024 July 15 2024 July 25th 2024 and August 14 2024 open session meeting presenting the recommendation general manager and the board secretary second all in favor I okay five yep okay so we are at Peter how you doing good how are you good good bring up on she starts it you she goes in the presentation mode all right this is the RL real liability report for the board meeting here the first slide all right so these are in Industry metrics to uh engage how we're doing on our reliability our reliability is excellent you can see on a s we're at 1596 year to date the industry average Regional average is 33 minutes we're at just under 16 minutes and we are lower than last year uh the next indic see is the safety system average interrup Interruption frequency index we're at 0.22 in the regional averages 0.52 so we've been doing U really good with uh a reliability anybody's got any questions um what who are the regional um players is it mun or is it uh I I I it's everybody it's the regional and then there's the national yep we go to so so I have a question so I mean rmd has had a track record of good reliability for several years MH and it's really good to see it being maintained so like I mean we keep hearing about this what like I think we'd like to understand is what are some of the most important activities next that is that is done right next so here's the causes of network outages this will drive your yeah I saw that but you talk about activities and so so you asked the question so so yeah so so what are the most important activities that the team has to do and how many staff members are actually engaged in this so it's something that I've seen this kind of data before the kind of question I'm asking has not I have not asked before or not been asked before at least in my presence so I'm just curious so please go through this but then answer those questions okay so you'll see the major cause of U outages is trees and Wild um we have two tree Crews on right now that continually trim around our system they have maps and areas of coverage so they every think it's three years is it they every three years they go once through the whole system they cut back as far as they can up to eight feet uh sometimes a little more restrictive than that but they try to mitigate that as much as possible so two Crews is how many people four four people two two man Crews okay person up in a bucket and uh somebody on the ground and just on that note to add to that point PC um several years back we used to have one crew um and so we increased the crew because the trend line so we're using analytics in terms of what the frequency outages what the sources are and the frequency Etc um there's been a major effort in both North Reading and Wilmington over the past several years and the D town by Town those have come down right now we're focused primarily on the town of ready not and we're do everything but there a there's an intense Focus literally this winter and has been for a while but on the town of reading um on the main lines first the the primary lines and then on the secondaries but literally the meeting we had this morning um with the Ops team was it's just a focused effort on the town already the good news is that um all four towns require us to do an annual vegetation management plan the town of read that's a little bit more restrictive um right now given the fact that uh it's not summer season um the tree Warden has more time to look at those vegetation management plans so we're going to try and accelerate But to answer your question we've got crew specifically targeted toward trees and then you can talk about the work we're doing on the skate Bas Etc the wildlife the green so the other contributor is wildlife the tree crws you guys have it's not the outside company that you yes Northern okay yeah we we did we did look him um a year ago at potentially bringing that inhouse but we decided for the near- term to continue to subcontract the tree work okay so it's four people from outside who are contracted to us yeah every day yep well 4 and then you talked about we are better than other utilities like say is it because they don't have I mean they just have more trees to deal with is that is that is that the simple answer for everyone else well I can struction stands are a little different we use um insulated tap wire we use U squirrel guards we use different types of cover up uh different construction standard spacer cable is a big thing uh spacer cable has a thick insulation on it we we run that practically everywhere uh it's very tree Hoten it's resistant to uh contact between trees squirrels things like that and and the other thing you know so specific to the wild life um we are trying some new materials and new techniques in terms of protecting our equipment so that as a squirrel jumps across you know is it they inevitably do they don't make contact they don't they don't create a short circuit so part of the stuff part of the equipment that we put in place this year is really trying to drive that Wildlife down but those are the two big drivers um so on the wildlife piece is basically trying to minimize the places where the world in particular yeah can Short Circuit the system make sense mean that's part of our there's additional insulations that we're putting on equipment to make sure that's more challenging and then we're also doing that in the substations we have some particularly in substation three I won't call them bird strikes from the traditional but we're trying to also protect yeah undergrounding is expensive right but like a lot of places people are undergrounding caes and yeah that's another way to do it but undergrounding has its own set of challenges too there's no perfect answer I mean very expensive yeah there's and it's and it's not perfect it is depend upon for us right now we're going to be primarily overhead for quite some time does that help give you an idea how's it in nor sorry in Dan um it's similar numbers to Red because I think your your liability also as good right yeah similar numbers I me we're B small system um we Benchmark ourselves only with AA which is other Public Power but Regional and systems of similar sizes um but yeah I for all the same reasons we have we had a few years that went through put a ton of animal protection up um we cycle trim regularly um we have asset Replacements all sorts of stuff you can use the data if you have a certain area we had some cable older style cable that that we don't usually install anymore that was failing so we get out there and repit immediately um so there's all sorts of ways to tackle the reliability okay no thank you I mean these are like small issue but at the end of the day you know reliability is something that really matters to first and foremost yeah I don't I don't so are you g to talk about like feeter hardening cable replacement all that stuff I don't I don't want to if you're gonna uh we we do that on a daily basis you know we have a poll inspection program where out there inspecting poll could place some polls um every pole we put in um is taller uh we're replacing Transformers uh we inspect and replace Transformers we're always looking at the load on the Transformers and prioritizing them by age and uh whether or not they're overloaded um squirrel guiding all our Transformers um one of the new things we're doing we have these skat mate switches that you know it's got the steel cross on we found a manufacturer of a a cover up to help us cover up the steel cross on to uh prevent squirrel contacts from the rigid P live rigid pods the cross on so it's a continuous thing we're doing thank you and that was the last slide there on well I got one more slide after that so that's all about the trees and Wildlife that contribute to nearly 60% of our outages and this is our where we got a diamond level for the op 3 uh award level for the Public Power the recognition of utilities dedication operating efficient safe and reliable distribution system we 98 out of 100 excellent one one quick thing I mentioned b r t night I I was thinking about it when I left one of the meetings you know you always worry about um rmld when the power fails but it's the other 364 days a year when you're sitting in your house watching TV where it's nice and warm and you didn't think about arability at all that's when everyone here did their job and it really matters is so this is great information but it's it's the up time and the very minimal downtime we have is a network that most other towns don't have and or networks don't have and it's definitely appreciated there's actually a metric for that as AI as aai which is how often is the power actually on and it's usually 99.9999 something at0 22 is it's how often is the power actually there yeah so pretty so they do you can track that statistic to you know reliability and and yet for all the things you guys said you know in terms of how much we value it but it gets when when we are talking about schools and reliability and what do we need for a backup and do we need a generator when when we can look at our own network and saying it's you know a m tiny fraction of the time that there'd be a loss to power uh and that bridging that that hour or two hours or or whatever that event is is a manageable quantity um being able to not have a generator not the service to put that generator and having something that um can provide it a short-term Gap to to something it it affects school it affects the business that depend on it it affects you know the entire community so it's it's a it's it's a big thing yeah absolutely good job guys yep thank Team all right motion we do the motion get we'll get the backup then move that proposal ifrp IFR that's an income that's an accounting thing move the proposal ifp 20 24-33 for one parents the number one and parents material handle a truck would tradein be awarded to James a Kylie company for $457,900 bid is all came as well but uh we open that bid have all five b Works rejected they missing their bond they're given a checklist are supposed to be in the package they miss some things so so KY they could spend another hour for a half million dollar contract but they don't bother yeah they see they only keep going up the trucks okay so what what's going to be traded here Mike what's that what's going to be traded uh what truck uh basically what we're trying to do now we have a lot of older trucks but uh a lot of anywhere between 10 and 15 years old older so basically we're going back in the the the records to see uh which trucks have the most maintenance done to it or you know the ones that have the most trouble because uh it's hard to say just one truck because they say it's going to be here in a year and a half it comes in two and a half years nice so basically whatever one truck's G us some the biggest headache we trade that one in they don't care which one it is no not so much you don't really I mean you you got a trading value of $2,500 how sure are you with that number $2500 yeah good question I don't I don't want to live through truck gate again oh that's you don't have truck gate when you trade it in to Phil's point I mean is it possible to do the deal without the trade in and then put that up for auction like through whatever that process is that we have now no I just try to just get rid of it it it gets you out of truck gate it gets you out of auctioning it it's it's worth it's worth nothing you know basically to okay at that yeah the truck pretty much maxed out try to seven or 10 years trade the trucks in don't yeah right now we have a lot of maintenance issues trucks you think about leasing any to supplement they're very hard to get to we right now we have one rental bucket and one rental digger yeah there's nothing yeah so many contractors work and take them all couple trucks for auction well yeah we we did we did actually look at at a different kind of a maintenance program um earlier it was earli this year oh in terms of we'd still own them but they' be under a maintenance program but at the end of the day didn't didn't P out economically so but we continue to look at other ways to do it and we do because of the maintenance we have on the older track we getting more and more frequent that there's a dollar issue but the bigger issue is the truck's not available for the to use yeah it then it has a bigger imp implication yeah it's a lot of money on a Cru that's what we're gonna buy trucks yeah yeah one of the big things too with the trucks is U like like Greg spoke with that program it was for smaller vehicles but I mean even those small vehicles to to get actually get your money back or the most uh back for a return you have to cyle them through every like four or five years otherwise after like that four or five years the marus tanks or nothing MH and like the trucks the hottest thing because you can't just go to a lot and buy them yeah you know when things were good you you get one in a year now it's you know year and a half two years or longer so makes a lot tougher where seeing none ready for a vote y you all in favor missam thank you very much Mike next okay the next one move bid 2024 d38 for on Call electrical maintenance and repair services be awarded to dagel electrical construction Corp for $4,875 presuming to Mass General Law chapter 30 paragraph 39m As the lowest responsible and eligible bidder on the recommendation of the general manager this is a three-year contract yeah those three three bit um on this contract and our deo's lowest bid up they came in um off year One cost $ 31,6 26 Northshore Tech bid it they came in second 46,000 and your electrical solution came in 41,000 for year one basically um being 10 and 15 they will 105,000 lower each year for the contractor okay so my Mr chair my question on this one is the Deo bid seems much lower than the others have we done due diligence on this company yeah we've used them a lot in the past we like 50,000 Less on one and 40 so they just want to make sure they're G to be around for the three years oh they've done a lot of work here in the building definitely be around okay yeah they've been around right uh right now they have our traffic signal contract but they're subsidiary with power line corp which we uh do a lot of our line work contracted that we've used for a long time and I think reading's used them as well yeah currently they currently okay was a second on that oh sorry is that yeah my question is um I guess same route as Phil's question but maybe just slightly different do we have a sense of what drove the price here lower than the other two biders is it an hourly rate are they using fewer resources why is it so different it's basically based on an hourly rate so the whole the whole contract basically hourly rates they they do a fix price for 200 hours at regular time and then uh they submit also uh 50 hours for Saturday Sundays for legal holiday time so based on like their two man crew journey man and Apprentice but probably the big difference is that they know we yeah very with us so me that's that's probably a big thing got it okay thank you office building is in Wilmington and their office building is in Wilmington small yeah they pretty much can walk in the building and know where everything is it's not like they not guessing anything so I know for things and one that we've been bidding for different construction projects um like a simple roof I have a price from 55,000 up to 175,000 between six different bids so there's no Rhyme or Reason to why did that power plot when it's the same thing but I think some companies throw a number at it and because maybe they have too much work and they don't they don't really need it and they're like what whatever yeah if they get it they're doing it get the right number so we had a motion in a second right y okay U anything else no ready for a vote yep okay m ifp2 24-20 a sub equipment package be awarded to Dish DTR packaging subsystems LLC for 2,169 presuming to Mass General laws chapter 164 paragraph 56d on the recommendation of the general manager all right which is the bid for the gave me the thumb I know we're trying to get it time we good yeah sorry yeah go ahead yeah so this uh sub equipment pack we of 115 KB um Breakers three of them and the rest of the equipment 115 KB equipment for substation SE we had five bids uh two were considered uh non-responsive and disand was the lowest at 2 million 10,695 so I have the same question do we know that we done do Diles on this company I don't remember yeah they're quite familiar in the uh that industry I know one of the bids that got withdrawn Stuart Herby's I think we've used them very much in the past from remember they actually bid this they they just mared it up they used the same uh same packager the the budget amount was a million right it was twice as high yes when that when this was first done at the substation I believe had a different design and the breakers were uh much less expensive they were under $100,000 the breakers are up over $360,000 right now in this three of them what what equipment have we already purchased I know I thought we had bought some equipment last year as well I we 15K switch GE the switch gear transformers this is the last pie PLM was waiting for information from uh National Grid pensions and some ratings for this design of the 115 KB equipment okay so it took a while again to get any information out of them yeah and then I I know this so so this dollar amount this is um basically construction capital budget plan from yeah last year it's carried over a couple carried carry over this is an example of carry over comes into play exactly so then so carry over comes at the flight it's in this year so you know I know we'll just cash it'll be this will be a 2020 five cash event cash event yep even though we budgeted from the previous year y yep okay and then I know kind of back to what the VC was saying um about about you know those those types of jobs I'd love to hear like a status report on on how that Pro progress is going on on the substation build and you know like we talk about reliability it'd be great to hear about reliability you know what's going on in the substations as well you know how how you you know maintaining them keeping them up to date I know um you know maintenance programs that you that you have going on that just know quick a quick couple of you know bullets yeah we did this type of Maintenance in the substation you know it's a different world break it goes down the circuit goes down tree goes down a couple houses go down so it's a it's a you know big massive SC yeah yeah so it's great to hear about the you it's good so we'll probably do we're we're now in a much more active phase of station six in particular um y so maybe we do every a quick update either we could potentially do it every month or every other month like right now the Transformers or in the process of um uh the first one the first of the two Transformers is built the second one is in in construction right now we're doing uh we're doing inspections on those virtual inspections as well they're going to get delivered before the end of the year probably could be before the end of year early next year so stuff it's moving that's great that's great love love to hear about that and and then the other element is um last year we did a lot of work on station five Transformers so between station four and station five Transformers station five was the one that was near end of life it's still near end of life but we did a lot of Investments over the past two years in terms of rebuild associate Transformers and the switch gear Etc so we've got significant life left on station five every fall we take that offline and inspect the bus inspect The Brak as the substation crew takes care of that's great we can probably more details but there lot okay other questions on Transformers or I mean switch here Transformers this will become a topic soono yeah um anything else no no ready for a vote y m repor 5 thank you okay then we have a lot of stuff on Greg's update than and one that we talking about on on the phone today but I got The Cure cure Sage c yeah cor yeah the cor we're buying corsages now C we'll talk a little about them as well so um there's a lot percolating um we'll talk about the team um some programs um anys we couple different topics so I think core piece we've got some new team members um where I guess as a summary we are uh we are nearly done with rebuilding the ird team um Megan is is the director of that team um we've got a couple of new individuals that started in October um another one that's starting next Monday um we've got two open positions left in the ird team um so there's obviously learning to be done Etc um but there's a lot of excitement in terms of the kind of work that we are doing here at our at our MLP uh we also have electric maintenance worker that's um that started this week actually um and then we also um uh in terms of open positions we have a either a second class or first class position posted and open um that's a coveted job so there's a lot of interest in that one we are we have an open position for a system engineer um and then we have again two two additional ird open positions but we're we're at the back end in terms of doing any major recruiting so we're feeling pretty good about the team um in terms of new customer programs um uh there's the connected homes program which is tied to shred the peak um that's a much more automated system we had talked last month about um the shoulder months being significant in terms of number of calls there's a we'll probably in the next few months we'll take a time to walk you through some of the things that are happening on a regional level with uh significant uh additions of storage systems I'll talk about that in just a minute um it's going to make our it's going to make it more and more challenging for customers to participate and Shred the peak so what we're trying to do with some of these programs is figure out alternate ways to automate them um connected homes is one piece and that piece is now active so we'll do a lot more Marketing in terms of those programs rml direct D drive electric is basically an education program for EVS and a communication vehicle for EVS um the LGE management device we talked about this a while back um but it's now the programs in place and the rebates in place um it's with a partner called stepwise um they came out of the green Labs program um again I trying to work closely with the the Greater Boston area um startup companies that are trying to do Innovative Technologies and um in terms of external marketing um we were we were not very well we were not proactive in terms of external marketing uh with the past six months um but as I mentioned to you before um our new communication man our new marketing manager is uh in place and knows what's going on so we started publishing the newsletter uh we're going to try and do that on a quarterly basis rather than a monthly basis so people actually read it um we're going to restart the webinar program and the podcast 2025 um the web site update is in process it's nearly done in terms of the conceptual changes that we're going to make we work through a a standard platform so we don't have a lot of flexibility but trying to make sure it's as update as possible uh we talked before you guys will be part of the logal update um that'll be an early 2025 event um we've got a we had done a lot of legislative work back in u the first quarter we'll do some additional legislative work updating them in terms of what we're doing um we are seeking support from them the good news is that uh two important bills uh were passed last week they have a lot of implications for us um and then be um it won't be till early of 2025 um Megan is very familiar with the uh we're trying to be consistent with a standard program in terms of doing our carbet metric um so she's got just have like a comment on that I thought that you are a team member of the group that put together the state plan right for car yes yes it was so so so so the plan for 2050 yes so Megan was one of the members of that team so she's familiar with the goals that have been set for the team for the state state and and the metrics yeah and the metrics so because the the metrics that we use are like we talk about zero carbon but actually the right way to do it is talk about emissions with reference going back to 2004 I think in that document it referred to 2004 whatever that whatever yeah the Net Zero Target is against 9 but yeah so so so so so so there's goals for 203 and then you know different goals and it's in percentage of it's like reductions in percentages of ions and not percent carbon well remember so this will be an additional metric that we will voluntarily post and we like the suggestion but the retirement metric still remain we that it's not in Li of that we have to do the 2030 20 240 and 2050 Target that's those are specific requirements that we are remain obligated to do that's a compliance so we'll continue to do that this will be something in addition to and the point being is that we've got some good inhouse expertise in terms of what would be a good system but that'll be in early 2025 that as now that the ird team is starting to be filled out um we'll be able to put that back on the list thank you the other element is that the town of reading just recently released their Net Zero plan we remain very supportive of it um we will be part of the Implement there's things that affect us because our activities get rolled into town of reading and so will not only be supported we'll actually be an implementation part partner of that as well go Ahad question about stepwise yeah if I remember correctly in the older version they were replacing the they were letting homes that had like a 100 amp um system basically act like it's a 200 amp system is that what you're talking about here or is this something different not so much act like a 200 system but it would it would it would be an alternative to putting a 200 so the idea so you don't have to upgrade do a 200 amp system right you do a bypass or something or oh it's not a bypass it's a digital it's a digital Eliminator limitate limiter um so they don't go over the intention is to create an alternative to to having it the cost for someone it's an Al it's another it's a reduce it's a cost it's an alternative cost reduction for somebody that wants to add heat pumps or EVS Etc but it basically is it's another mechanism initially they were doing it for EVS but now expanded well they've expanded it out as well so um what does it mean basically that that the EV charging gets cut off if the AC is going on or something correct it'sit prioritize right now the commercial product is only on EV but they're working they're looking so because I know they started off with EVS yes so kind of gets into the question of that they're using a third party vendor that third party vendor right is is communicating with that home and how is it communicating with that home and how often and you know so so you get into that and I know the vendor that you said you said green you partnered with whom to do that no that's it's their own product and their own platform so the control will be coming uh to the the customer can actually control themselves but the the the overall like when you look at the Lo load profile they have their own platform they're not using a third party if that's what okay so so so all the back is within that company okay so we're basically saying you're only going to get X and this company someone sets that at that home well right based on what the customer so wants how how there's a physical limit where if it's if you have 100 m panel the total Lo cannot will not go over that so like like ex set if the charger will only work when the other load is not being used and and they're going to install this and and who who so not up the cost customer pays it's behind the meter behind the meter customer pays you get a rebate for it yeah and then you're on this you're run this new rate not new rate okay you're getting a rebate for the just's getting a gadget right to put in your house getting a GG to do this right it's it's a it's an alternative to so we have a rebate for a 200 amp service panel upgrade yep um which and we have one for a for service panel upgrade as well and not all homes are not all customers or homes are in a position to do that so this is an intermediate step but it's also better for the system to because it's going to mean you're steading out your load on a per site basis I guess the check the check and the balance on this on this system right we're saying go go ahead and install the system right this is a third party software right or or or device that you're putting in and then you're saying you're not going to go with 200 amp it say tomorrow all right up my up my value right where's the checking the balance on this piece of equipment that was installed if if you're not in control of it right who has control of it the control is behind the meter so if the customer agrees to do that but it's a physical control it's not a human control yeah I'm all trusting of everybody but I I guess you know if you're not in control of the but we cannot control behind the right that's right at the end of the day um the service panel is still 100 amp panel and so the service panel itself is going yeah it it's got it own built-in limitation um and so this basically is a different way for customers to put if they want to put bigger load in where they only have that load at the end of the day the B it's not bigger load it's additional load it will still be cap at the 100 amp that built into the existing system y if and when they want to do a turn we have a rebate for that but again okay those are all back to your point this is where you know um we want to provide we want to provide incentives encouragement for people to manage their load this is one mechanism to do it it's a creative one but it's their system so we're we're very careful in terms of not getting too deeply involved in the customer side of the meter yeah we're going we're going to explore more and more of that one of the things that that we're going to dig into we've we've talked about it before and done some initial research but for example um you know relooking at the heater program right right right that's examply so that's so we there was a there was a technology that was put in place there were some problem with the technology you we arm got out of the program um there's still value for doing load management this is one mechanism that is tied to it it's right now it's the TV but they're going to expand to it we're not choosing vendors um you know we're we're not endorsing the vendor um it it is actually tied to a grant that uh the company won for the state um so we're we're part of the test bed for them actually rolling the system out Etc and our local wiring inspectors are absolutely all on board with us yeah okay they has to go through the wire inspection process to be clear this reate is not for that product it's for law management device there are four types um just different whether it's uh really like smart panel that's one type where the panel itself can modulate the the load the loading so it functions it functions in a similar way but it depends on where that device is installed so for this company it's installed between the panel and their charger but then if it's a smart panel it's the panel itself so we will pay the rate for that panel so it's not just for this company's product we were very careful not we're not endorsing any company specific um yeah before you move on to land I have a question about uh um I had seven openings at one point that I that I saw in a recent presentation and I'm saying three coming in um October and December with two openings three plus two is five so there's what's happened with six and seven so six will be Communications manager which will be a 20 that wasn't that communication manager wasn't part of that six and seven yeah yes it was yeah please um it was so the six that number was we were basically approving the 2025 budget so that there there additional positions that will end up filling in 2025 because that that number was part of the 2025 budget really we we want to fill so how how many total ird Specialists not doing communication not doing billing do you have positions for with and they're for which they are still two openings what's What's the total capacity this specialist have three positions and two are field we're looking for the third one no I'm that's not the number um the total number of specialists in ird is a number between 11 and 13 at one point there was eight filled with seven openings and I see five here three coming in October December and two with open positions so I'm still missing I still don't understand how many we have filled how many are open and what is our total number of people in your department so I think there's a distinction of like when we are requesting the budget we we we want to make sure we have the budget if we fill the position so there are at least two positions we're not actively recruiting for correct right now okay so this yeah so that would be the two that I think you're wondering what's the question all right I think you want we have enough staff yeah I mean I mean at one point what I understood we were like half full and we're not these are good um but I want to make sure that we're not just saying oh we're done and still not be have the team that we need to have there my my next question is you've got five people coming into a team that's got seven or eight people in it you've nearly doubled your team how are we doing on transition what are we doing on training how are we getting them in how do we make sure they're they're productive and integrated and you know I do training that's my my my uh my my my big thing so have we have we got a program for that are are we understanding what they know and and how they transition into the organization and can begin to deliver yeah so we have uh pretty much all the standard operating procedures drafted so so that's one uh the main guideline to train new people and because I I don't know if Greg explained this before it's not just specialist in this team so we have Engineers we have analysts and we have Specialists whatever they have different roles and responsibilities and have different you know standards and and procedures for them and the good part is always have existing staff who can help train the newer staff and the nework staff even though they may not have worked in this field or in this utility setting before but they burn in new experiences and expertise as well so I don't have a manual written and that's what I tell new employees I don't have a manual for you but we all learn every day but we have the standard like process in place that's the most important thing and the rest is really about your critical thinking your analytical skills your you know dealing with situations especially when you talk to customers how do you handle the customers I I just want to make yeah I I I appreciate that and and yeah every job you you learn on the job um I'm just reacting to some comments that were made by past staff I came in I had questions I had no one to talk to everyone was busy that that that's not the situation we've got now we've got a process by which there's followup there's opportunity to get questions answered people are available it was a very different manager before wasn't all right well I just I just want to make sure Megan you've got you're you've got your help that there a plan that we're I want these I want these people to be successful what I want I want I want the department to be successful I don't want them to be like coming coming and yeah no I we've had we've had a couple situations which which were not good and I I don't want to blame it on a a manager because there's a couple of those which were independent of that um so I my question is and and my encouragement is let's make sure we get give the people the support they need so they can be productive and contributing to the organization that's that's what I want reguire all right right I like what you're saying because Tim and I doing that in town of witon now with our staff and um you look at it is the investment is really the people helping them be successful not them being successful right you've got to do what you have to do to give them the opportunities and encourage them and help them grow into the position yeah oppos to here the keys there's the door on board yeah yeah exactly right yeah no I mean exactly that and um you know yeah I mean you're you're bringing someone in because they they have some experiences and you want to take advantage of that but then there needs to be a pathway pathway where their contributions are heard and integrated and and accepted and valued so um you know yeah I mean it goes both ways and I just want to make make sure we're creating an environment that's that has that is supportive of that values that and and not kind of what the had been before because this is an important department we got a lot of stuff going on we need we need people to do it um so I'm glad we've got some crew coming in and there there's an enthusiasm and energy well good I I'm for enthusiasm if anything enthusiasm is long way I'm I'm I'm All About all right just have a comment right thank you for asking that question and I I just extended to the whole organization I just we don't talk a lot about this but what would be good to know is what is the standard procedure for example Peter or Michael in your departments how do you how do you manage people do you all have weekly meetings uh just just just just a general sense like you know we have plenty of meetings team meetings team meetings talking I'm not talking about these meetings I well we have we we meet regularly during the week during the day uh we have different areas where we just congregate talk about different jobs if something comes up we have a Thursday scheduling meeting staff meeting we have Monday morning uh scheduling and kind of staff meetings to see what's going on over the weekend uh that engineering and operations were all part of engineering operations are Co there a big table so question that comes up they have a easy place to to meet as an example we discuss jobs that come in the door future jobs stuff the schedule uh they having trouble over the weekend trouble the night before uh so it's not hard to hear somebody talking to their cubic so everybody knows what's going on down there it's pretty uh then then and Greg at your level do you have your staff how often do they meet like once a week or so we meet formally as a full staff um once a week and then we meet um I meet individually with every one of them and actually some of the with with my direct reports plus some of my direct reports and their direct reports on some critical issues for example um you know the the the U line foran for grid assets which is a substation and also Ami we meet and as part of the MDM progress so anyways um I meet I have a series of meetings um our staff meeting is limited to 1 hour and those other meetings are limited to half hour um I am uh am noted for moving the agenda forward and not D around with the meeting Y and then we have as well yeah so we try not spend too much time we trying to spend time and the other element is I'm spending um because of my background and power supply and ird I'm spending more time not only with Megan but also the some of the recruits here's how we think about power supply here are the key questions you know here's here's here's what we're trying to achieve relative to load uh load forecast here to some of the factors so it's meant to be a training discussion so we'll have brief 15 minute discussions I'm down there they're up here so there's a lot of um we're we're trying to focus the training on answering specific questions back to your point R of you know what are the challenges that are in front of us and as we talked about just this morning at our staff meeting while over the past six months um the world's continued the energy world's continued to evolve and so we're back focusing on the issues of the energy world around us there's a lot Happ so you know we're we're picking back the pace back up to address those issues but there is a I I I I just think ird is unique in terms of the nature of the work everyone kind of doing a little bit of different different stuff similar for the entire art team including customer service billing and Communications marketing we do weekly meetings and I have H oneon-one check with every direct report every other week so someone called me I'm a tight touch manager I work with them quite a bit my door is never closed people come in with questions I always work with them I never say I'm too busy right so that's why I I made the comment about different managers and also on the other side I do hold everyone I I hope everyone hold themselves accountable for their jobs so um we're also in the process of developing Career Development plans which is more of a performance evaluation tool it's a tool but the evaluation is comprehensive but it's a good to for everyone to understand what the expectations are and then you know so two two-way Fe feedback appication all right just ask no yeah thank you the team that day it's about team that's why I always took the gym update with the team well it was it it was a hard hit it was not the best time to become director of ird I can tell you that okay I'm gonna continue on moving on thank you thank you for they prompted me to do just quick quick quick snapshot um I think the key thing is that fourth Bullet From The Bottom um we talked about this before but you know we are anticipating in 2025 to try and close at least one of those parcels um there's a lot of parcels that are on the on the table um relative to battery storage and solar PV um croar so that 10 megawatt system is going to go into River Park campus in fact um speaking of siding and prits Etc the um the easement was recorded today got that P today um the PO line is getting so that's going to be basically a 1 q225 commissioning um that'll be in the River Park Campus it had we ended up moving it to a couple different places in our Network which is why it's later for anybody than we wanted to have it installed but it will it's it's got a solid footprint now there's another 10 megawatt um citizens project at rmld station number three um that's where the current um Minute Man system is located the 5 megawatt system that citizen system will be summer of 2025 um both of these systems uh required some additional um level three three ISO New England submissions um Peter and the team have been working through those we are uh uh we are we are in good shape get to to those submission to the system impact studies um The Battery Systems so too much details right now um there's the 500 KW mobile system is station to um that's going to that'll end up getting uh installed and is meant to be mobile that little picture there is is an example of it in the first quarter um we will probably come back to you in December with the uh approval to add another 800 kW to those these um all of these the cards the citizens and the mobile systems are all shared savings model so there's no capex U we've got a dialogue we've got a partnership Grant submitted with Alim that's another long duration new chemistry and then going back to the bills that got approved and passed uh at the state level last week they have implications in terms of the 100 hour battery system we talked about earlier this year as well um and Reay already provided an update on the kilum school um renewable Choice um so last of two pieces so if you guys remember we put renewable choice in place um a couple years ago it it's in a point in time where we were 26 in the in the mid 20s of retirement of certificates and we wanted to provide a mechanism for customers that want to do either 50% 75% or 100% certificate renewable individual customers um the retirement certificates um for our policy 30 that we update each year we'll have to do that's one of the action items for February but it was 20 26% in 22 29% in 2023 and if you remember back in February this year um we worked through some analysis looked at our power supp power supply portfolio and the certificates associated with that and for a minimal amount of money we were able to uh go to 55% retirement um there are a total of 100 back to the question uh of the public comment there's 104 participants as of October 100 residential or cni um out of those it is 20 are um are um 50% and then um the other 80 are split between 75% and 100% um as our retirement rate increases um the benefit of this program decreases um we're you know this year we're at 2 we're at 55% retirement however um while we in 2023 um we did not update the rates to reflect a 29% retirement rate which would have reduced the rate um hence there is about a $15 bill credit that will be issued to all three residential rate classes um so we will we will do that in January the January billing we will make all the corrections in December for all of this as well and then in 2024 where it's a more significant piece because we went from 26% to 55% um that rate wasn't updated it will be updated it was in the process of being updated so it'll apply to the December billing but for those customers that are at residential customers that are at a 75 or 100% level for 2024 there'll be a onetime $115 Bill credit for those roughly 80 people and then those that are 50% those 20 customers at a 50% level it'll be about a 70 7 $77 Bill credit um for those that'll apply to 2024 um we will reach out individually to um the 20 50% residential customers to see if they want to move to the 75 or 100% level they're not required to um but we'll do that so we had some corrections to do because we did not adjust the rates appropriately um again the corrected rates will be done in in the next month literally next week's billing schedule it'll start late next week and then uh we'll do for each individual customer but that's the order of magnitude the 80 um customers that are on 75 or 100 and the 20 that are on um 50% levels we will do those Bild credits and that'll apply to January billing so 2 2,000 it's 100 out of it's 100 out of 100 are participating so it just jumps off the page discontinue the program right I mean if if if we we had it one of the reasons why we jumped to 50 is we had a 3% increase tabled per year we're going to go very gradually right and we're gonna go very massive and that's why at that point that under that premise it makes sense and and then and then we said okay we're we're this close we're here already based on our Pro profile okay make the leap we it was a great pick up by Rebecca like obviously okay but it it just jumped off the page at you was a 100 people okay I I a new program different type of program but you're gonna run to the 7 six 2040 to 7 you're gonna have the same conversation right Phil will be here and and Phil will be having the same conversation we missed we did the same thing again right we we oh you know we we missed it what's the we're at 50% well we're at 55% right now 55% 5% and the 2030 Target is 50 it's a state mandate so what's what's the point I'm just saying right right now what's the point of the program we're we're going to be advancing based on that graph continuously per estate so what's the benefit of having this program right now that I does it cost you more to do it does it cost more to keep it I just I mean it makes administratively a bit Yeah but but is that cost is offset by the rate right the rate offsets the cost well we we you what the dollars we collect in the program we use to retire additional certificates that's how it was originally designed so so that's a watch but it does take administrative cost to to manage it um for for 100 people if there was 5,000 people involved with it sure but there's not I mean and we're progressing by a mandate to get here I think at this point it's we're yeah we're pass it oh we're pass the 50% we're not pass the 75 but to your point Bob you're right we're headed there we're headed so so yeah I mean I think I I I do think the logic of the program needs to be reassessed I'm not quite with Bob that we we're there already let's just end it I think there still in thec sentive for someone that wants to go beyond arm of these going an incentive to support that and and a way roll that into the credits we retire right yeah and that's kind of my my concern too I'm in the 100% program okay and I'd like to see you know instead of getting a credit back maybe we get the maybe we give somebody the option just keep it and retire more more recks there's another option add another option there okay we're gonna so right we could do that but you know with people in the program I mean I can understand where Bob's coming from yeah because you know it's it's not here's here's the suggestion um we need to so every February one of the discussions we have is what's going to be we make a recommendation to the the cab and the BC but what's the certificate retirement rate so we did that back in February and we all agreed you know we gave a couple choices but decision was 55 now there's a qu and that curve to the right underneath there indicates that when we go above that um now the cost becomes more significant so that's going to be a discussion that we're GNA have in February oh she still here still here I don't know Rebecca but Pam's got a question y so hang on so just one so we do so I think it's actually a valid question to ask at our February meeting because that's going to be the it'll be linked go back to your question Bob it's going to be linked to what we want the retirement rate to be for 2025 that we have to make a we have to make a formal decision we're going to do for 2025 and that might be a good time to say we leave at 55% and we leave the program in place or we move it up and we get rid of the program those would be some options that we haven't had a chance to analyze yet Pam good Pam yes yeah I mean I think they're certainly related but they're not those two things are kind of mutually exclusive conversations right I I think you know we're talking about what are we going to do in terms of the 55% or greater that's for the entire population versus a group of individuals who who want to do more to to push you know the organization closer to 75 or 100% which which as we know the law is not going to require us to do for for quite some time so I I think where where we should think about it certainly the program is is not successful enough at only 80 participants right I would like to understand what our communication strategy is to number one communicate that hey we've made some great progress you know we're we're doing this at a low cost we're overachieving in terms of our um you know State mandated mandated commitments but here's your here's your opportunity to to opt in um additionally and and I you know frankly I'm I'm also in the program I I I don't remember exactly what the cost is because I opted in so long ago you know what what is what is the incremental cost to go to that 75% what is the incremental cost of the 100% And is that now potentially you know more feasible for folks who who have an interest I I would really like to see us you know really improve the communication and the um the the marketing efforts especially now that we have a marketing person on board let's let's take that first Spin and see what we can do if we determine after another year it's it hasn't moved the needle then perhaps we look at a different way to to make an impact with folks who who really want to do more but um I wouldn't want to throw uh throw the whole program out uh just yet especially after we've made such great progress last year as as an entire organization I I would just weigh into I would agree with Pam that I think if people it's it can be challenging people get a lot of information thrown at them but I think if people had had a way to an easy way to click a button and get into this it might only be like five or t bucks a month as I recall to get you up to 75 it's like a surprisingly small amount of money yeah it's not a big number you know it's G be less now with high retir right and it's like there's so many people who care about the issue I think the 80 or the 100 is not a failure of having the program it's a failure of that it's not a or it's not getting marketed you know effectively so um just just for context I'm in the solo one and two and then the 100% And they offset each other right terms case they do in the terms of the cost I also want to just also acknowledge to thank I believe this this correction is the result of the public input if I'm not mistaken uh actually I discovered oh you did you did okay so then well we still give credit to the customer for for showing up and letting us know about something thank you Rebecca even if it occurred at the same instant that you know you did it but since I'm told she's still here to are you here Rebecca and would like not here okay we all thank you or or at least yeah is it aord that she yeah I mean it's like it's it's great to have the input it's great to have people just paying attention of whatever it is that we're doing and weighing in it's helpful so thank you on on that and then is there anything else one last SL real quick yeah okay so um we talked about um so there's detail here at the very can you move the uh picture back up the upper right hand corner um so so we had a short discussion in the open session last week or two weeks ago relative to the home rule and there's some context that been in the communication to you guys as a group and it affects both the citizens Advisory board and the Board of Commissioners it affects all four towns um the motion that was approved last in 13th is a change in direction from what rmld has been um providing input to the town of ready home World committee um my recommendation is that at the next meeting we hold the review session with the attorneys and just to make sure you guys are all educated in terms of the tradeoffs Etc and you guys can leave the motion where it is or not but I just I wanted to make sure because it was we covered a lot of ground in a short period of time and I just think it's appropriate um for cab and the boc um just to be fully educated in terms of the decision and you guys can decide what to do from there so that's that's a recommendation from the general manager yeah so Mr chair please okay so so you know one of the things that was mentioned at the uh the chter Review Committee and it was mentioned by the Town Council that the the board had adopted 164 and she felt that was appropriate U you know to shift away from 164 which is what you know this motion is and we need to get clarification that's why the Minature is recommending that we U bring in Somebody To You know have you know go over this with us is potentially you know there could be liability the Commissioners it also could be the fact that we're seeding our some of our authority to the town which if I were at the out if I were at the four three outside towns I would not be particularly pleased with so I I do think it's it's behooves us to actually have somebody come in now if we decide to do nothing we decide to do nothing I've been beat up enough on this but you know we decide to do nothing we decide to do nothing at this point so you know I I think um is it possible to have Town Council come here I don't know if that's possible we' have we'd have to find that out because that's that's the opposing point of view right that's that's not opposing but a differing point so we we the the the form for that um it's easier for us to have that form at the uh at the town at the town meeting but there might be a mechanism um I know the request was made uh there might be a mechanism for us to figure out a way to do it here yeah either either either way it's just it's it's it's um it's an important discussion and having all the and you guys get to decide um it's a recommendation it's again it's a recommendation you guys are making to the home rule committee yeah um you just need to be as as informed as you possibly can and make the best decision you possibly can sure and I think what you're asking for is a little bit more input um I and I we'll figure out a me has been terms how to do that could be there or could be here I don't know they EI either either or yeah so that's I mean we'll just we'll work with the chairs in terms of between now and the 17th or of uh December that's the next meeting um the committee is in is kind of reforming itself the home rule committee not right now we're not not sure exactly where that committee is going to um there was a meeting scheduled but that has been cancelled because lack of a quum right now and with Mr Brown going off the committee and quite truthfully you know the last few minutes you only have the minimum number of members show up you know you know we haven't seen some of the representatives from the from the library and places like that some of the other committees who are on that committee that just have not shown up at this point and Mr Brown being off completely you know so I don't know what how the commit what where it's gonna get to this point Dennis yeah the only thing the one thing that jumps off the page here and um again I haven't done my due diligence on 164 it says M law 164 provides protection to the other towns served by the m so I think whatever decision is made has to be right on because it does affect the other three towns um and we've got a longstanding relationship as Port toown community in this Municipal more fortunate to be part of it but I think that jumps out at me to make sure that whatever decision's made is made based on what follows Mass General a laot yep not aware caveat disclaimer so my understanding is it's that the vote doesn't move us away from 164 it it acknowledges the opinion that said we're governed by 164 but there's other parts of state law that also bear on us and that includes about separation of powers and I think the in instead of abstraction about what section of the law it's Powers versus not having powers of our board and your board by by extension because if you look at the line edits that came from Attorney John Coy they removed powers that that our board and at least on paper have according to the Charter okay so then if it does that if it does that well you guys advise us so then if we're if we don't have the powers then you're advising a weaker body I mean that's the other way to look at it um but I'm this is non lawyer translation and again I I live in the world and M show law for working with with the town right and nothing's ever easy and nothing's ever Crystal Clear correct by far and um but having a legal opinion of exactly what to do covers everyone involved it and protects all four times so that's my only thing it's like whatever decision's made needs to protect you guys y individually because Master lot goes after that the organization but go after to the the people themselves for making the decision and doing it as part of being on a committee we are saying that we're GNA follow Mass General law certainly are following the law so I'm not saying we're not we are I'm just saying we've got to be clear or confident that whatever decision is made protects everyone involved including the towns and greates my belief which could be wrong is that we just said keep the charter language which has been in there for 21 years and don't change it we didn't look for any changes we didn't ask for them and just that was the vote that we took and I think I mean end that it protects powers that also protects yours as the C and again M law it's when push comes the shove um whatever you you think you can follow it's Mass General La when it when it ends that's why I'm just saying make sure yep whatever legal opinion is given yes that's what pushes your final decision that's all I have to say if you need a a sleep aid there the two legal opinions are they're in the October and I think also the yeah the package in the packet and and they're tough going but if I read them three times and then I sort of started to understand the arguments we'll we'll so the action is we I'll work with as a general manager I'll work with the chairs to figure out how we want to put it on the agenda in the near future or not but so F can correct me if I'm wrong if the home R Charter committee doesn't get reformed that and the status is that the hom roll Charter will still have the provisions that the rld attorney wanted to strike they'll have the provisions that the reading attorney wants to preserve that will be the default no that's that's not 100% correct okay good thank you the committee has not taken a formal vote no I to say put it in or take it out no I so so right right right they have to take a formal vote to even send it to town meeting it'll probably an April town meeting okay so there will have to be a vote they'll have to be a vote for the whole thing okay because not everything is finalized at this point okay so it does have to go to town meeting because it has to go to town and then from there it goes to the voters the voters have to vote after that is that right that's correct no it's it's got to go to the voters no the town CH the town meeting is votes on the charter not not no it's got to go to the voters my understanding it's got to go to the voters now I I don't have those peers in front of meting so some action does have to be taken at some point we have to figure out what okay so that's right so I think the other key point is that historically rld D has challenged the text that's right and the home World committee has not accepted our these recommendations and historically the attorney general has accepted the town of readings the home Ru Charter language the ag office back in 2003 this will be the import that needs to comes from the lawyers they made a 30-day opinion right and so there's a lot of there's um there's more to that so just they made one opinion back in 2003 and that's all the ag office has done just technically correct well so all all I'm all I'm sharing with you guys is um you can decide to do want to do but last vote was a different it was a different path than historically rmld vard has been pursuing you're referring to one vote in 2014 right when you said no but so I mean you you're colleague next to you has been consistently attending these yeah so there were 20 there was a lot more discussion in 2023 and 20123 in 2003 with the rmld challenging the text as well M and and the town could do whatever they want the issue for back to Dennis's point for the protection of rmld as an organization and the Commissioners and us is that we follow the laws that we need to follow and on and what you're what I'll let the lawyers talk about it but 43 the recommend what is in the current Town Charter is not consistent with chapter 164 that's the that again there's more details behind it but so so what I'd like to recommend is that if you're going to open this up I'd like to have the camp also take a vote on what the recommendation is and i' like to make sure that you know all three of you do vote okay because you'll carry it it depends on how you vote so so I want to make sure you guys participate please and again I go back to all the training for MCH General law and purchasing you go to the inspector General's office you get trained by them they make it crystal clear that the laws you must follow and if you don't and again no matter what it they could come after you personally so I just want to I'm saying protect yourselves as well I'm not trying to scare you I'm saying make sure you get all the information and if you feel comfortable with it then that's what you should do but if you don't right it's it's just Mass General La usually isn't flexible right and just just the bottom line conclusion of the Town attorney is that the charter does comply with Mass General law WR again if you feel confident and want to vote on that but I just say whatever opinions you can get to protect yourself and rmld right do your due diligence because it's it's just not worth the effort or the headache on the other side yeah that's all yeah yeah and I want to request that all of you participate please so it mean like an effort to participate I again I just I'm not I don't have a side either way right now I just I'm just sharing information based on trainings that I'm forced to do I just want to help protect everyone involved that's right all thank you on to move to Citizen advisory schedule scheding my question is like we've just got December on the schedule right now do we want to think about January or you not no let's please do I'm going to truly struggle to make a lot of meetings coming up soon because com to the budget time which is Tuesdays and Thursday nights uh the msba committee I'm on is um Wednesday nights the permanent building committees on Wednesday nights and Monday nights so I'm gonna make as many meetings I can but Wednesday night's definitely not a good night for you every night in January Monday through Thursday is not a are you planning to have this topic discussed on December 17th it's up to me and you right I mean we because we yeah I mean I guess just to go not to keep re rehashing this but there was six or seven months of process going on with Phil and um we we had it on our agenda on September right right September when was the meeting in your high school dentist was that the September meeting October no that was and so we had a discussion then the memos were there then we discussed it then then again we discussed it the following meeting and the me subsequent memos and some Communications from you Greg articulating many of the things you said tonight y were provided to our board by Greg by email plus an additional Memo from Coy John Coyle all of which we had when we undertook our vote on the 13th so I don't know the reopening is not necessarily that we're gonna you guys so we can we can decide what we do on this on the December 17th let's go to scheduling yeah yeah okay and so scheduling is going to be January of 2025 let's try and do February of 2025 and so if if you're if you're neutral um you know Thursdays are so um like I said Monday through Thursday so Tuesday's better Tuesday's always better okay so out of the whole group should we try and shoot for Tuesdays in January let's say the 21st nope that's a Wednesday next week is fine well for Wednesday everyone do Wednesday aside from Den I am I am probably not in state that week of the of the 18th at all can we do the week of the 27th sure that makes it the 29th for I'm look so I'm you guys look at your calendar my calendar suggests that the 29th is a Wednesday yeah yeah of January January works would that work for you I'm good I'm asking Jason I'm asking Jason asking you I'm gonna make what I can25 so that's what did we decide 29 29 Lunar New Year great yep that works for okay the 29th six o'clock joint meeting how about February is six o'clock okay yes yeah February 19th or February 26th I'd say the 26th 19th school vacation week great 26th it is going that work February 26th all right can can we push let's try to do March as well since we're there about the 26th of March uh I can't do it that week can we do it a week earlier 19th okay uh no I I can't do the 19th I can't do it all that week okay how about we do an earlier meeting earlier in the week earlier last one how about you d T Tuesdays the 25th or April 2nd which is a Wednesday when is the election what day I think it might be April April which day well first that would be that would be appro Tuesday right would it be the ninth then no do one right before the end that that would be good okay let's let's do one that March last last March Tuesday March 25th so 25th or 26th so it's gonna be I don't know that I can we not do the the 19th or the 18th no is can four or five of us do that that's I can't do it but you can proceed if the other four can I can't I don't think I can do the following so Dave you can't do the we4 I don't think so I mean we're trying to plan a trip yeah let's set that one later on I think we need to set this LLY later so we'll decide in December I think we gotta look at all9 we have the next we have through February so let's leave it at that what do we have January 29th we decide on the March the March dat good okay um for a specific discussion about the charter right the point it just sounds like maybe a four PM 3:30 PM I know that's tough for everybody but we squeeze those in that might be a better time frame um rather they get somebody at night I don't know what about doing it as as part of the charter review committee meeting is this ask them to put it on the agenda and that's the context in which we have any further discussion about it at that at whoever our rep is if it I mean you could put it as an agenda item that AR wants to come there's a lawyer there and whoever of us wants to attend or you relying on like Phil said it might be tough to get a forum again they they have to get their they have to get their recommendation the Char committee is in right now because the the uh the representative from the bylaw committee backed out yeah so you gotta get you have that like I said we had we've had members that are on the committee that have never shown up yeah so you gotta have and you to have that like in stone we'll create an option um in terms of when try and get it done sometime in December yeah I'll defer to the two chairs right y okay all right you got sched what's next okay now we canj can we yeah okay see suggest move that the rmlb citizens Advisory Board to join regular session go call required second move of the arm Bo commission going executive session to Mass General L chapter 164 section 47d exemption from public records and open meeting requirements in certain instance under purpose number one to discuss the reputation character physical condition or mental health or the discipline or dismissal of or complaints or charges brought against a public officer employee staff member or individual and return to regular session for the so purpose ofour second that second sorry go e e for