##VIDEO ID:eDFMlh6Vkh8## e e e e e kilum School building committee meeting we have some people um on online so we'll take a a roll call vote Pat here Sean here John I'm here Chris here Kirk here Ed here Greg here Nancy here and Carla's here thank you everyone um quick review of the agenda we will have public comment liaison reports um update from our designers on traffic and the energy feasibility study the OPM update for financials and schedule we will have a um spirited debate about chapter 149 149a we'll review meeting minutes and then talk about about um next meetings so is there any public comment online uh Ray Porter for public comment go ahead Ray uh Ray Porter rmld Commissioners uh reading uh Franklin Street um just want to support the recommendation that will be coming up before the committee uh the recommendation from the sustainability committee rml has worked with the architect and went through the options available which will be presented uh and um continue to offer their support for the project so um supporting that recommendation um that'll be part of tonight's discussion uh and just putting that out there at this point in the meeting thank you thanks Ray anyone else see none we'll U Move On are there any leaon reports anyone online Okay um we'll go to the designer update Jenny [Music] and hi folks okay um I'm going to give a little traffic report and then talk about the hbac with a much reduced pallette of slides I gave you all a more comprehensive backup for you to study over the weekend but um have really compressed it down but if there's any questions I have all those slides as backup so hopefully a quick update on the traffic um I don't think that the proposed layout has changed much since we last looked at it um we have um a loop road a long parent Loop drop off that allows us to get lots of the um queuing cars off of uh Char Street and that Loop drop off um goes around a staff parking area with enough parking for um all of the K through 5 and the rise teachers the bus um the Bus drop off from um the buses arrive come into the site from haal Street drop off here um on the south side of the building and then exit into the parking queue um there's a active and uh loading unloading zone of eight Vehicles right in front of the school where no no parking is allowed but um along the rest of the drive here marked in red there's parallel parking for parents um along that road and we're also proposing these um offsite improvements that would create actual legal parking spaces on TR Street which don't currently exist but those improvements would not be part of the kilum project we're just recommending that that be done um so the the part that I wanted to share with you um is the um traffic modeling that was done by our traffic engineer that shows based on their model uh what the traffic conditions would look like with the added um with the new design and the added um load of The Rise um kids so in the I think I have four of these slides there's four different scenarios um in this is the morning drop off for the K through 5 so the K through 5 and the prek drop off and pick up are staggered um so that those all those CS aren't arriving at the same time so in the morning during the K through 5 arrival we expect 195 vehicles and um with that we expect to have eight vehicles in the active unloading Zone 22 cued onsite and six Vehicles cued offsite so um currently in uh what we observed last January there were uh cars queued all the way down to Wakefield street so it's a big improvement from the current condition um and when the prek um preschoolers arrive um starting their school starts 20 minutes later than um the KY through five students um we expect 81 vehicles um we expect four of those to be um dropping off in the active unloading Zone and then 30 Vehicles parked on site because more parents with little kids more of them Park and walk their kids in rather than Chuck them out the back door and in the afternoon which is the most challenging condition um at the kilum um with the prek um departure we expect uh 53 vehicles and um 30 of those would be parked on site and then 23 would be parked um on Char Street and or holl Street these parking spots on holl street and in the K through 5 departure this is the most challenging condition um partly because um one of the guiding principles for for traffic that we had at the start was that um the the practice which they currently have at the school of parents primarily parking and then walking to pick up their kids is an important part of of building and maintaining a sense of community at the kilum so they wanted to maintain that even though it's a little bit less efficient in terms of moving vehicles through than a rolling pick up so we anticipate that a few kids fourth and fifth graders may still be picked up um in a rolling um pickup and um we anticipate that would be 24 vehicles um that those families would choose to you know communicate with their kids and just wait there for me I'll pick you up and the remaining cars would be parked um with 30 parked on site and 91 cars parked off site so we do still have um you know car is parked all the way down uh Char Street and along haal Street and along these tributary roads um the difference is that there is from the current condition is right now there is no basically there's no legal parking or the only legal parking is on haal street so every parent who's waiting there to pick up their kids has to be parked illegally which creates I think a condition where it's like what's the difference if you park on this side of the street or that side of the street like you're going to have to park illegally anyway so by providing a way for people to pick up their kids and park legally hopefully um and you know supporting that with some targeted enforcement hopefully you can improve the um the parking conditions of you know some of the issues right now with people parking on both sides of the street and people can't drive by and parking too close to the corners and things like that any questions about the parking I mean the traffic which is the parking no okay actually yeah go Ahad joh sorry um not the question much as to comment I guess my only concern about this and I'm not sure it's is solvable the um the vehicle arrival period is 240 to 3 for the afternoon is um say overly optimistic in our experience I mean all the schools parents start queuing by like 220 for 245 pickups right so I I don't I don't think whatever this model proposes is going to happen in that 220 to 240 timeline is actually going to happen I think it's going to be more congested than that I'm not sure there's a design that solves for that sort of Behavioral problem but it's it's kind of reality we to expect here we we to did that comment did come up in our community traffic meeting and what our traffic consultant said is that um people one of the reasons that people arrive so early is because there is no legal place to park so they arrive earlier to get a better spot it's kind of like um you know reacting to the existing conditions and they have found that when they improve um traffic conditions at schools then people realize after a while like oh I actually don't have to be an hour early I can just come 15 minutes early and and I'll be able to get a spot and it'll be fine so you're right we we can't we can't control people's behavior but hopefully uh we are optimistic that this will improve even that if I may just say one thing the word safety we should say it 400 times um having all those parking spaces contiguous to the site on both sides on aall and on Charles giving them real you know sidewalks and and parking spaces on one side of the street it changes everything um about this traffic plan and it's much safer it's much more pragmatic it is a great improvement over what's happening right now even this worst condition because on the worst condition you actually have people parked on both sides of all those side streets going way back and it's uh as we all know it's crazy and so I think um having watched this develop I think it's a it's a a good effort and I think as long as you hire GPI or whatever which you already have in the past um to work on your side streets and all of that you can really make great strides thank you this this will be the school with the best traffic pattern hands down people are so concerned about it and they're concerned about the nuances just to have all of this onsite parking and spots available and and then it it hands down it would be the model School in my opinion did you come uh yeah well so um Sean kind of asked the same question the same observation that I did is just um you know because I think I think the anticipation is that most of the loops parking at 225 to 240 will be for prek and then you know and but Behavior has been that you know even you know um K through five parents are there at that same time um hopefully that improves over time that once that once they cycle out the pre cycle then there's more you know spots you know kind of in the loop for uh K to five parents um but the the question that I had um was uh do we know how many buses kind of come through um you know morning and afternoon um I know it says there's room for five I just don't even I four four four yeah and and as as you know and superintendent knows one of them just comes by drops off five kids and leaves like it's it's very light and they don't anticipate that increasing because it's a neighborhood school and there'd be no reason for it to increase and then remind me again how wide the the drop off yeah um I believe it's 20 feet is the travel Lane super wide because that's the width that's needed for emergency access perfect yeah so wherever you are you can always if someone's parked on the side dropping someone off or anywhere you can always drive by easily could probably drive by three cars yeah because we because we worked with the fire department and everybody to Who Loved this Loop they love their Loop good thank you thank you okay on on to our entree um so the energy feasibility study um this is just a recap of um our goals for this analysis and what you asked us to investigate we've checked off um the first five and we're of coming back with another pass at the cost comparison um from our discussion in November um would anyone like me to review the um HBC systems and go through what they are that be helpful the the reason that the reason that Jenny's asking is because if the people who are on the sustainability committee raised their hand or were at the last meeting who was at the last sustainability meeting were you you don't know Greg was not about half okay so we want to be understanding that not everybody understands all of this and we're we want to show you what the recommendation is but we're willing to backtrack so do you want so spend two minutes just those options please so the full geothermal is a system that is taking pulling um using the ground as a heat sink um to um pull heat kind of like a refrigerator or an air conditioning unit but using the ground as the sink rather than the air um and that option has 60 geothermal Wells it's also I have the energy use intensity on here that's the it's the most efficient of these systems but not by far because the hybrid geothermal and the half geothermal are very similar around 25 and 26.5 um eui the hybrid geothermal is the same as the um full geothermal but with 40 Wells it's not producing as much heat and cooling from the wells themselves so for the coldest days and the hottest days there's a um added cooling tower to provide more Cooling and a boiler to provide more heating the half geothermal is a little more complex to explain it separates two parts of the heating and cooling system so in addition to actually heating the spaces we're also providing ventilation to provide fresh air into the classrooms that fresh air comes from outside and it has to be heated as well in the full geothermal system the geothermal heat is being used to heat and cool that fresh air in addition to to Heating and Cooling the rooms um in the half GE thermal we've separated those two systems so the ground Source heat pump is being used to heat and cool the rooms via basically like a radiator it's called a chilled beam but similar to a radiator and um the ventilation air is heated and cooled via an air source heat pump um like one that you would buy for your house like a a mini split kind of situation um and then the air source system is um an air source heat pump right it's it's um a little bit less efficient has a higher energy use intensity um because um it's still using that same kind of refrigerator air conditioning technology but rather than using the ground as a heat sink um it's using air as a heat sink and the air has higher variability and its temperature so it's less efficient and then the chiller boiler is gas fired um a gas fired boiler an electric Chiller um which are still you know the efficiencies of this equipment are still you know quite High compared to equipment that was available you know 10 or 20 years ago but that's definitely the least um energy um the least efficient system in terms of energy use intensity okay good so then you asked us to dig a little deeper into the inflation reduction act and what is anticipated to happen with this with the new Administration so we um called on this um nonprofit called undaunted K12 who have been our um a great resource for us they not nonprofit that um both lobbies for um um bills to support green schools and is a resource for information for um the industry so they um published a an explainer and uh kind of their opinion of what they think is uh likely to happen with Ira um so that's just um shared bullet pointed for you here um so their points are the IRA did receive bipartisan support and there is no appropriation that's required to fund the IRA so those are kind of points in favor of thinking that um this funding may be more secure but on the con side um they share that Republican leaders have sent strong signals that the new Administration is likely to pursue some changes to the IRA um they've specifically called it out and it's unclear there's some parts of the legislation that are clearly more at risk than others but this piece of the legislation called elective pay which is the piece that applies to um funding for schools it's it's quite unclear um how that uh will fare in this and um the Administration has indicated that they're they intend to pass a tax bill within the first 100 days so if that happens then we'll know sooner rather than later what is to happen any questions about that okay so then I've taken out all the in between stuff and just gone straight to the summary so this summary contains four different scenarios starting from the left there's a no solar P PV with Ira funding no solar PV without Ira funding um with solar PV with IRA funding and with solar PV without Ira funding and in each scenario there's um the town Shar less incentives and grants we could call it the first cost and then the life cycle cost so if we look at this um the numbers highlighted in red are the lowest cost under each scenario um and the one in yellow the half geothermal is the sustainability working group recommendation so what this shows is that that the IRA is such a game Cher in this scenario whether it stays in effect or does not stay in effect really dramatically changes the viability of these options the recommendation of the working group is since we don't know what's going to happen with the IRA to um balance that Unknown by selecting the option that is not the best in any scenario or not the lowest cost in either scenario with or without Ira but is a good contender in either scenario um the um working group also um points out that the half geothermal system is less complex than the hybrid geothermal there's less equipment and it's simpler to maintain it has to a certain extent not 100% redundancy but some redundancy so that if the geothermal side fails the air side system is unaffected the air side system fails the geothermal is still is unaffected which would help you to maintain some building operations again not 100% on the coldest day of the year but provides some redundancy which increases the building's resiliency and it's um offers optimal energy performance and reduces operational carbon it's only slightly less efficient than the most efficient option we had which is the the full geothermal I I wasn't at that meeting and I after I saw your choice I was like well that's clever and um I just wanted to add two or three thoughts towards that one this is the exact um system that swamp Scott ended up with that you went to visit and the reason it ended up with that system was because there was no Ira it didn't exist and this was after they went through their own uh calculations and all of this this was the most pragmatic long-term and short-term and uh least you know kind of redundant system um it's actually very simple I I like it because it has less Wells Wells cost a lot of money to drill and one of the things that Pat had said in the past was the difference between 44 Wells and drilling them in time and 60 Wells I believe is about a month and a half of work or something it could be um of time and um also we have a tight sight so the idea of drilling less Wells while still maintaining a geothermal system has advantages to it um and I like that uh people thought about what if it happens or doesn't Pat asked me before the meeting um if we decide if it turns out that we know in couple months that the IRA is going to happen no matter what can we change our mind and I said as the architect I said as long as it happens prevote June whatever we and the next day we start drawing our drawings we can I believe that we can um go to a full geothermal system if that's what you choose if that's how you go that is my um because I I think that's only fair and I'd like to say that if you wait too long of course it'll cost money and redesign right now we've only done narratives and some design um and we'll work with the mechanical engineer so I wanted to say those few points I hope that was helpful I just want to clarify um what happened at the last meeting of the sustainab sustain ility group um and clarify the roles of people um it's not up to us as the committee to make recommendations concerning what system is to use it's up to the mechanical engineers and the architect to give a recommendation and for us to accept or reject that recommendation I think we've got it backwards if we think it's we're just a bunch of diletant you know we don't know nothing about air conditioning and stuff like that I mean I know something about the laws of thermodynamics but I'm not a mechanical engineer and what's this guy this lady yeah but he is so I mean we we seem to be having the attitude that that we are recommending a system no the mechanical engineers have to recommend a system and give their reasons and we have to say we agree with them or disagree with them um how would you categorize your decision to put forth a certain system then well what happened at the meeting was that they the mechanical engineers were were very reluctant to give any recommendations they kept giving numbers and figures and stuff like that in the end I asked them what is your gut feeling sure what is your recommendation as professionals and then they came up with this recommendation sure we all agreed with it and that's the way it should be so let's not let's not couch it in in the terms that we are the ones deciding on the system no we're not um you as the architect and your subc Consultants they're the ones deciding on the system and giving a recommendation based upon their expertise and it's up to us to accept or reject it so I just want to get that clarified uh we're not we're not designers we're not designers I agree with John and what I would say is this a recommendation is based on a lot of things and it can be based just on numbers and it can be done or it could be based on all the criteria that we've learned is important to this group but also to reading and to your sensibilities and to your other people so our recommendation needs to be based on a lot of criteria um everything we feel in here too I mean it's it's it's it's not black and white it's a gray zone so this is the best recommendation that seems to meet as best as possible all the criteria that we've heard about the uncertainty of the IRA the the desire to have an electric building but have it not be too complicated this the the best energy for the future but not you know to all those different things so I totally agree with you and I feel good about this choice if you do and I do want you to feel good about it because you've learned so much about it but you're right that it in the end we have to stand behind our work and our recommendation I don't and but we we are terribly people Pleasers and we do want you to be happy and um this has been something that has taken a lot of time and we want to hear from a couple other people to see how they feel about this approach thanks John anybody else have some thoughts yeah um um I thought it was I thought it was a really good meeting I kind of agree and disagree John obviously we need we everything we do needs to be on a recommendation from our structural our mechanical but they need to work within parameters we give them for example if we gave our mechanical engineer the parameter that we don't have enough money to build this building we need to do the absolute lowest you know initial cost then they need to react to that um that's not what we told them and that's not where we are but there does need to be it a little more than um simply a recommendation from the designers they need it's a it's a you you know back and forth it was great that you kind of forced the mechanical engineer to pick pick one um that was that was that was very helpful to the conversation I thought it was an excellent meeting I thought a bunch of different people came to the same conclusion from a different direction I was focused on I was kind of focused on the fact that with without the IRA it looked like the half geothermal kind of always came in second or in a very close second and when you look at the um the energy usage I think it's 25 and full geothermal is 246 so it's very close um there's discussion about the potential um there a little bit of discussion about half and hybrid geothermal which um which I couldn't give too much information on like the mechanical systems but again the mechanical engineer was very helpful there and pointing out to us that he felt like the half geothermal is a much simpler system um with with less oper effectively less moving and operating Parts with Joe and Kevin really liked and um and it does have some redundancy um careful when we say redundancy the air side and the geothermal side standing alone wouldn't heat the heat and cool the building in the coldest and warmest days so it would be operational but if the geothermal was completely down the air side would keep the building you know tempered to not freeze and in a shoulder season you know could probably operate the building um and those were just sort of the different stakeholders had at the meeting had different um different things they were latching on to but for the most part everyone was kind of you know moving towards that that same Center Point and you definitely when you prompted the the mechanical engineer to pick one as I would say otherwise we were getting nowhere you know nobody was giving an opinion you know you don't give opinions you got that that definitely helped a lot any time you want an opinion desperately ask me careful what I'm saying what I'm saying is the professionals have to design this building and they have to lead and we have to follow to a large extent and you know accept or reject what you say and give you feedback but um we're not the designers we are a committee and we don't design by committee any time if you look at the notes from about four months ago Lee Sherwood was shown to have said I think you should do the half geothermal system and if you look back you will find that good um I actually did I'm I'm very comfortable that the sustainability group um would recommend going with the mechanical engineers recommendation toe I totally agree with the with the outcome but I I don't want this committee to get into a situation where it's thought that we are the ones that are deciding on the color of the carpet in the multi purpose room you know we're not that's we we're just saying yes or no to what the professionals tell us the structural engineers going to say I'm going to use steel for this and wood for this and stuff like that and we're going to say yes because you've made a good case for it don't ask us to tell you what to do and and I thought we were kind of getting a little bit along that way where you were looking to for us to tell you what we thought um no we're just a bunch of amaters you know so one of the people who is not an amateur is um and I said that in the English way amateur is um Joe Huggins is he online should be yes I am Joe were you at that meeting yes I was and I just want to say that um I think Pat said it very well Kevin and I both felt as though this option the half geothermal did give us um at least a level of redundancy that we're comfortable with because obviously like to have that um and our job is to keep the schools open um and not have a risk of a freeze up or a shutdown for any particular reason um so with that that was one of the big deciding factors through both myself and Kevin um and less moving Parts also um so we're pretty um pretty happy with the decision that's been made um Ray Porter has his hand up online yeah thank you as as a house is not a school but in one house I have a ground Source heat pump a geothermal in another house I have a uh air source exchanger the idea of combining the two technologies in this way I think is going to be very beneficial uh it it takes care of the limitations of both systems by being able to overlap and I think it'll be able to optimize heating and cooling for the use of the system system um as it goes it doesn't have to be heat the whole school or cool the whole school uh you'll be able to Target that in a very efficient way also I'm pleased that as we consider the numbers and options uh that uh solar the benefits of solar are factored in uh so you you see the the benefit that that results on on a life cycle cost so um the discussions we had with the Architects rmld um I I support the recommendation uh good evening everyone this is Wasim CES I want to start with thank you John to ask me this question that for me to answer it I just want to clarify here uh as that said we want to be careful about redundancy maybe best to say it's resilience so our system is more resilience than a full geothermal system because I have two system on board it's not only one system feeding the whole school I have different technology to feed the school so if one fail I have another one to carry some of the mode we will not be able to see the whole thing but we will be able maybe to keep it operating in a seasonal or shoulder season I just want to clarify this so we are all on the same page uh I'm happy that everyone's agreed on this uh uh system I believe is the best on the whole option that we have there thank you w that's the end of my um presentation actually just one thing as as we move um into the design one thing I think will be helpful um is take look at a cross-section from the existing building to the street and where the geothermal Wells other utilities the foundation the unsuitable and some different things I think those are questions you're going to need to answer like number one figuring out where finished floor is and you know my brain immediately goes next to the the the process of you know you know how we contract it and how we get the G the the wells installed you know we talked about an early package or maybe you just put it in the contract ra but if we could I would imagine you'd need to do that if we could get something like that um that would be very helpful just a cross-section showing the you know the relev relevant the relative elevations of the different parts and we I I will answer that by saying that over the last two months while doing other work as well we have been redesigning and pushing the Contours on the entire site and the finding the the right um elevation for the new building which is actually almost in line with the with um Hil street now just a couple feet higher okay it really barely slopes up because we wanted it as low as possible but still be able to drive in from Charles and way up high and have all the right slopes to come across the whole site we spent a lot of time on that we've also looked at the at the foundation of the existing building the distance of the new building to during construction so that we know that we can build a new building without any underpinning so we've done all kinds of that that work um to verify that we have the building in the right place at the right height I think we're we're very close excellent I did that's what you wanted to hear I bet yeah yeah could I just John I think John's already done it I already did that as well but um can I just ask one question because you have an expertise just going to say who's the expert now no well you know I always check things go ahead trust but verify it's reg thing um question of the new building versus the old one where it is yeah has the uh has it the uh fire department signed off on what they require for Access between the two buildings the new one under construction and the existing one during construction in other words is there is there enough room for them to be happy firefighting we haven't we haven't spoke specifically with them about the in between construction time and that slot between I do know that the the tightest it ever gets is 20 the tightest it gets is 21 22 feet and then everything else so there is a slot of at least that and and it gets a lot more than that in other places that's the pinch Point um and and I'm guessing that they will have enough access at least for we can make enough access for them at least for um parking on the site and bringing their um okay bringing their hoses from either side I mean it's just an issue that I think no no it's very it's the next steps yeah I I I believe some of the wells were a little closer were they not from my memory not the building itself but some of the some of the wells and that might that might reduce the access around around there and are they happy to have that at points where yeah at certain points okay thank you do you have a vote I think we're I think we're ready for vote make a motion um I move that the uh kilum School building committee accept the recommendations of the sustainability uh Advisory Group to go with half geothermal second do a roll call vote uh I like a discussion oh sorry discussion um would it not be better to accept the recommendations of the design team sure if you want it that way rather than the the sustainability committee sure how about it will be both because the whole idea of of having working groups was that they were going to do the work and verify a lot of things with other inputs and then bring those recommendations back here so you're just like in the educational group we talked to the experts um we got information from the designers and they're experts and then once it was vetted out we we brought it back we say in collaboration yes that sounds great in collaboration so accept great any other discussion Pat yes Sean yes John yes Chris yes Kirk yes Ed yes Greg yes Nancy yes and Carla yes the motion passes I feel like we should be clapping shall we that was harder than a lot of thank you really thank you for to to LBA to cers to Wasim and his group to sustainability working group um this was a huge undertaking this was one of our Monumental and most important decisions so um thank you because I feel like we we we got to where we got to and I feel like everybody's happy with the outcome remember when you talk about this to your con constituents that half geothermal with air source means it is still a fully electric building that happens to just take energy from a couple different places but mostly from the ground and they should know that when they cared obviously people from the public who cared so much about this um are probably getting what they were requesting in the beginning just want people to remember that and presumably it's at least 50% from the ground um I think it's a lot more than that um if we actually go through the numbers with Wasim just at another time it actually um it's just at very peak times that it can't carry the whole load from the ground that's my understanding is is the we haven't talked about photo book takes no is that later on the agenda I can't remember another day another day yeah best best next time we meet January 22nd another day another it's an add-on well congratulations everyone on that note we'll get to the finances thank you guys so much for allowing us to have the designer uh speak first part of our financial update is in tune piece of finding out which direction you wanted to go to so that said all right I'm just going to share my screen for the finan update that will allow me oops I everyone there you go okay can everyone see my screen all right so um up on the screen is our typical overall summary again we typically don't spend that much time on the slid it's kind of just the backups are in the slides as we get through it unless anyone has any questions I will move on to the budget adjustments so we actually do have an update on budget adjustments but and this is a new item but I will actually propose to return the slide I will explain um within the committed cost and then we can come back to this budget adjustments if that's okay with everyone so um within our committed cost which is where we um actually have three listed at this time for committed cost that are need contracts new contract POS um and right now if you guys actually recall over the last summer we actually talked about doing SD cost estimate so what the first um commit uh committed cost is actually for is for Amendment one for callers to have um am Fogerty who is our third party cost at cost estimator um now this is just bringing forth that cost and I apologize we should have brought this sooner but we did discuss this over the summer now we're just at that point and um that's what we're recommending for this cost is the 15,500 for that piece alongside that is lb's um Amendment 11 which is for 15 for500 $40 what this is as as you know with all this investigation of hbac systems we actually had them assist us with further cost estimating and that's what this um piece is for just for that additional cost alongside that is the third uh Co committed cost what we're recommending is amendment uh 12 for LBA uh for that along the backup is actually for the test Wells knowing that this was part of the discussions with the hvc direction so um those three are the ones we will recommend for this um month's committed cost I can come back to this but basically that's what this adjustments is for is that, 1500 for that recommendation of the um SD costs um estimating for RP so that's what the adjustment is for so just to clarify what this is moving down to our invoices for this month um oh this is actually lv's uh October LBA Services uh which totals to $3,354 70 um so that's a three top three that's combined next will be our uh CPL actually November invoices for this month which is 26444 uh as of right now we do not have obas November which we you'll see at the next Jan anuary meeting just to clarify we are technically a month behind but that's okay just for records uh so those are the three two invoices that we have um if you will because it's combination for LBA which we can ask to vote towards the end if that's okay and then moving to our cost um oops cash flow uh again this EV and flows we can continue to monitor this but we're in the positive which is great it's actually better seen at the graphs if you will um we're we're keeping track of this and I'm sure as you know once we approve this this will obviously increase from that those approved expenditures for this month as far as the schedule goes we actually just went ahead and highlighted this piece um just to make it a little bit easier for everyone we're moving well into the SD cost estimating piece um along with just kind of moving on to where we're going with msba and moving on to our next Focus which we the vote uh but that's kind of where we currently stand for the overall schedule timeline so um that I know K went through this pretty quickly but does anyone have any questions is the end date right John yes I did make sure to your to your point I did confirm it was if if anything I actually improve the closeout time frame for you but I did in fact confirm it was unfortunately just a month to day version but it is still correct how it happen yes y so thank you I can go back to any invoices if yet anyone has any questions um I think that's the one that's really do we need a vote or two separate votes for the um for the one for the commitments and one for the invoices I I think um so I'm in commitments right now yep um I'll make a motion um to accept or approve the the three commitments presented by Colliers second second any discussion so we're we're talking about um coler's Amendment one lb's Amendment 11 and 12 and um so amendment number one for 15,500 lb's Amendment 11 for 1,540 and LBA is amendment 12 for 66,9 124 any discussion nope okay uh Pat yes Sean yes John yes Chris yes Kirk yes Ed yes Greg yes n yes and Carla yes and the amendment passes thank you tack on this one um uh move to um except approve um uh two invoices uh one for um LBA invoice number 21043 in the amount and surely make sure I have this right 13, 35470 113,000 oh 100 I'm sorry 113,000 347 correct um and invoice number one uh call your invoice number 10536 in the amount of $ 26,44 I think that might be 1 5366 that right 1 5366 thank you no that's okay second second it um by Pat any discussion seeing none Pat yes Sean yes John yes Chris yes Kirk yes Ed yes Greg yes Nancy yes and Carla yes and the motion passes thank you everyone wonderful thank you Charlotte thank you um schedule so we went through the schedule that was the last slide yeah I'm at chapter 149 vers 1498 yes so congratulations everyone so happy you guys came to a consensus on the hvh HVAC direction that said um I'm sure we've had plenty of discussions with the 149 versus 149a approach um now that we've made this decision I think we can still work on the early packages and have that discussion of um The Well sites the drilling um even the electrical early packages with um uh switch gear generator which we're actually working with Whitman on at this time um with all that being said I think in my opinion there is a kind of a direction that we could move forward towards but I'm open to this discussion with this group on if they have a preference on their approach of either the 149 or the 149a um I'll just John and I jump in one um CH just quickly chapter one 49 is design bid Bill where we'll complete the design put it out to bid to a contractor chapter 149a we would hire a construction manager at risk um though had participated in the design process um you know I think John and I have summed up our our positions we don't think it's complicated enough to Warrant see them at risk and and I think I think it it I think there's there's you know data out there that shows it's somewhere between a 5 and 20% premium um that I don't think is warranted I would Su that so I don't disagree I didn't want to sway in any direction I feel like we can all come to a conclusion unless anyone else has any other opinions but I think we we can make that work as well y do we need a vote for that yes please go ahead John you do the you got to do the please yes make sure we have make sure we have the minute it's reluctant it's reluctantly that he's going to make this point I move that the committee accepts the recommendation that we proceed on the basis of chapter 149 construction design bid build design bid Bill yes yes second second did by Nancy any discussion okay moving to the vote very exciting yes Sean yes John yes Chris yes Kirk yes Ed yes right yes Nancy yes and Carla yes wonderful congratulations thank you feel like we need to clap again I know big milestone today John John set the everyone straight at the last meeting I appreciate it thank make decisions and move forward that's right okay so moving to to um the meeting minutes of the last meeting so for for the 1120 meeting minutes everybody on to review I think I did okay take a [Music] second ready sure uh I move to accept the meeting the uh 1120 2024 meeting minutes as submitted second second byad any discussion okay see you none Pat yes Sean yes John yes Chris yes Kirk yes Ed yes Greg yes Nancy yes and Carla yes and that motion passes um thank you everyone the um and I I should say we did have a um a neighborhood open house um last Monday um it we have a lot of the same people attending we did have um a new person come um I think it's always good to get the information out I feel like there's um there is a lot of redundancy we decided to cancel our um community meeting in January um we will as we just because all of the information is always presented here and it's it's just a lot of work to to do that um and and and I shouldn't say it that way I should say that um as we move more towards the vote we are going to you know there's going to be possibly groups in town who are going to you know Vote or and and push for One Direction or the other and there will be a lot of information sessions and stuff um that we will be available for with that but this you know ask the community for their input has been really valuable to this whole process so far so um our next meeting is going to be Carl can just to be able to kind of I just wanted to uh thank you for um the presentation I thought your presentation was excellent there and and actually it did spark you know even the audience that a seasoned audience I still had questions um and so it did bring up um you know kind of additional clarifying questions and I thought that you know that really the discussion was um it was an advanced and different discussion than we've had in the past one so it's it definitely lends itself there's reasons to have them um even if you're getting the same audience and I and and I Echo what you're you're what you were just commenting I think it's going to start to Branch you know um you know as we get into 2025 and we get a little bit closer to uh you know to uh you know having a date of the vot but uh yeah again I really want to thank you for you know kind of all of your work there I know those doing those presentations preparing for them aren't easy doing them aren't easy so um you really did a great job with it and um you know and again I think it's U it's you we're kind of well set up going forward LBA gives me all my information um and and the communications working group has been unbelievable um there were letters sent out by snail mail yeah to 283 I think they put together 283 W just trying to really reach everybody it was everybody within a thousand foot radius which is twice the distance we usually that's great just so they would get that thing in the mail how many people attended it wern't that many was no no I mean slightly less than that a tough slightly probably 10 you and who else 12 of my closest friends great um thank you everybody for all your work this year it's it's been a um we've made a lot of progress yeah did you need to say something I was just going to say um there won't be probably in much more neighbor um interest until we start doing a test whe and and then you know when the machines arrive on site and people say what the's going on here yeah we should have an open house after the test wall start yeah so I think you know you have to have some activity on the site in order to generate some interest from the neighbors so don't be surprised if after the this well starts to drill that you get lots of phone calls and requests for meetings and stuff like that we'll let them know too before that yes I'll ENT motion when's our next it's um January 22nd January 22nd thanks sorry about that move to ajour Second thank you Pat yes Sean yes John yes Chris yes Kirk yes Ed yes Greg yes Nancy yes we're adjourned thanks everyone happy holidays e e