brief portion of this to get started. Um, so the zoning board appeal to hold the continuence of a public hearing in the select board's meeting room at town hall 16 street writing, Massachusetts on Tuesday, June 3rd, 2025, 7 p.m. on application of Sean Mendes on behalf of
the property pursuant to national law chapter 4 section 10 for variance under Reon by law section 4.5.2, 6.0, 6.3, and 7.4 for as may be determined by the zoning board to construct a garage with a non-conforming reyard and sideyard setback on the
property located 80 street ces map 16 lot 247 in ready Massachusetts um and so we have an email from there from them asking for this case to be continued to the June meeting
um so can I have a motion to accept that accept the request to um continue the application to the June Okay. Second. All right. All in favor? I Great. That was quick. Um, all right. So, we're going to move on to case
number 25-04, 39 Summer Avenue. The zoning board of appeals will hold a public hearing in the select board meeting room at town hall 16 street ready Massachusetts on Tuesday May 6th 2025 7 p.m. on the application of Steven
Chame pursuant to Mass General law chapter 4A section 10 for a variance under reading zoning bylaw section 4.5.2 6.0 6.3 7.4 and a special permit under reading zoning bylaw section 7.0 7.3 and
7.3.2 to as may be determined by the zoning board to construct a two-story addition with the knock performing front yard and sideyard setback on the property located at 39 Summer Street summer a such as map 20 lot 86 in Massachusetts unless there's an objection I'll dispense with the reading
of the utters list accept to say the butters were notified as were the following the select board the town clerk the police department fire department conservation commission health department assessor's office engineering division CPDC and the members and associate members of the board of appeals as well as the planning
boards of Wakefield, Lynfield, North Reading, Stone, Wuburn, and Wilmington. Testimony given before this board is taken under oath. So, if you think you may want to speak, please stand and raise your right hand. So, I don't know if anyone's going to talk for Yeah. for 30. If you just stand up for
me, please. Um, and raise your right hand. I swear the testimony given by me before this board will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. The response is just I do. Okay. Thank you. Um, yes. So, if you want to come forward and give us a little overview of
the um what you're going to do. Sure. All right. So, obviously on So, on the westerly side of the house, there's already that granted back in the 80s. I'm looking to extend that to the front of the house and put an addition with a
master bedroom on that side. the special uh assessment or variance required for that on the eastly side of the house is where the uh side step back primarily would be and so I'm looking to put a twocar garage essentially I'm trying to move the driveway over to the left
reason being it's safer um it's more adequate for both myself and my wife to back out with twocar garage and I'm looking to put a family room and then a twostory edition with uh two bedrooms for my children and a
And so I'm requesting the side variance of 9 ft, which is at the very front corner of the lot. So if you look at the way that the lot is set up, it gets drastically wider the further back you go. And so due to the conforming lot, I need that that variance uh at the very
front. So that's the issue that I'm currently running into. And though based off of the topography of the actual land itself on the right hand side, there's no way to put condition the ledge that's in there. I think that is as well um for
the uh the addition of things like that. Okay. Um so you're looking for basically separate a special permit for the I say right side of the house facing it and then a variance for the left side of the house facing great.
Um yeah I guess anyone is there anything else you want to say before we start asking questions there? Okay, great. Uh, do you want to start ahead? Um, I just have a question. Have you um explored building it going more towards the back
as opposed to the side so as to avoid needing the variance? I did. The problem is there's less the further back you get there. Um, and so the further I push it back, the contour of the actual band is truly steep as well. So it's just it's not feasible.
Okay. Anybody else? Yeah. So, the ledge is on the left side of the house looking at it. It's the It's on the back left hand side. So, if you're looking at the house, it's the back left up on the hill and then there's ledge through the back right side as well. I see the left side
of your house is much higher than the driveway. Correct. Uh correct. Yeah, I think the right house. Okay. Right now you have a onecar garage underneath. Yeah. And that's not really even usable. Yeah. Small. So have you is this your first step or
have you went to the town about the tree removal and all that? So, I've been trying to fight this tree since I moved in 10 years ago. And so, I've talked to them about this plant and based off of what the uh head of engineering said and board said, this would be the first step
and there wouldn't be an issue with the tree if this So, we granted it. They would grant tree removal. Yep. And it's understood based off my conversation with them that I would be responsible for paying for the tree and they would be responsible for taking Okay. Also,
the engineering department because I sometimes it could be a nightmare moving the the curb cut or Yeah, I talked to Ryan. I think it is. Um I know you're supposed to be so many feet away from your neighbors an ex another existing curb cut. Yeah, he looked at he didn't
seem to be concerned um both with the curb cut assuming that I'd have to close a portion of that other side of the driveway because I believe it can only be a certain width. Yeah. Yeah. He said he he didn't seem concerned about that. And then the the tree was obviously contingent based off of what is it now
about 24? I I honestly don't know. You should make sure that they will give you another 24. Okay. Well, it isn't considered full re uh it's a renovation but not brand new construction. the
total house. Sometimes it, you know, it's a it there's a line you need to cross for full renovation or of or 100% construction to abide to certain uh curb cuts.
You had you had mentioned um hold on, let me look at what I'm talking about. Never mind. Yeah, this is what you wrote to ask about. I guess 47 summer street or Yeah, that's that is what I was going to ask about. Yeah. 47 47 summer a he said it's
within the setback. Yeah. 12t 7 in. So there was a special assessment already granted on that. So I mean my addition requesting the six wouldn't segregate the surrounding homes because there's already a special permit I think is what
you call so he's closer I I don't know if it was it would have been a special permit or a variance. Did you So they got a special permit back in 2014 to build I believe up on what they had like an existing deck. I think that's part of the paperwork that I sent over was that
decision. Oh okay. Okay. I have Okay. Yeah. So, I think I think that mostly applies to the special permix. It looks like they they took down an existing threeseason porch that had a 12oot setback and constructed over that. Yeah,
that's right. So, I I asked multiple times uh when the the zoning bylaws went into effect. to look like that screen and porch was constructed in the late mid60s and Reading wasn't able to tell me when the the bylaws went into effect
because if they were back in the '60s then obviously there would been a variance granted but there's no record of it um for that screened in Porta and the the documentation that is there um it gives um I think two side step backs either
for the right or the left and for my portion of the house it just says I think uh a neighbor or land. There's no justification of the setback perimeters there. I can give you the exact what it says.
And so I guess why are you picking out 47 Street particularly just because you know they've got a non-conforming structure. Yeah. Yeah. And and part of the questions for the variance is how this will I don't know make the appeal of the neighborhood worse or detrimental. Detrimental. Yeah. Yeah.
it. There's already an existing You're saying my neighbor can do it, so why can't I? Oh, well, I was just pointing at the fact that it was granded, not necessarily that. I mean, but where I'm requesting six feet is at the very front of the property line. And
so, if you look at where the special assessment, it's like right in the middle of the property line. And so if anything, I think it'd be more detrimental to somebody in the middle of a property line requesting a variance or special assessment than at the very front of a property line. Yeah. So I think this is a little bit different just because I mean I think that at
least in my opinion like I think the special permit you're asking for on the right side of the house isn't a big issue because you're just doing something that's already there. That's exactly what this 47 street. Yeah. So I think that the 47 summer street is a good parallel to what you're trying to do on the right side of the house because it's something that's already there and you're building over top of
it. Yeah, definitely agree. which is why I asked where the when the bylaws went into effect to see when the variance was granted, but there's no Yeah, there might not no record of of that information. Yeah. Um but no, definitely agree with you on that. My point is it can't be any more detrimental if the six
of is granted to the neighborhood for part of the variance question. Uh I yeah I think part of the I guess I guess so one of the things that um we run into a lot is that the criteria for variance is much higher
than for a special permit. Sure. And so I think that since there already was something there to consider that much differently. And so when we're considering an application for a variance we have to go through those four questions that I think you responded to um in pretty great detail. And that's dictated by the
Massachusetts law. It's not something at the town level. Correct. Um and so I think that I think that's where we have to have the conversation if if we think we're meeting all four of those criteria, of course. Um I think I'm having a little bit of a hard time um
seeing that you're meeting all four of them. Um which one primarily? Um I think mostly the hardship and then also um how this could be um granted without the gradient from the zoding ordinance. Um
just because there doesn't seem to be any justification for why this property would be any different. Um I understand the le actually does make sense to me but it it kind of just seems like to me like you want to build this which is understandable. Um, but the zoning
ordinance is put into existence for a reason. Um, and so I think if we just grant this, there's not enough justification to say why that wouldn't make it not apply to anyone else either. That's fair. I mean, the way that the house sits is not even aligned on the
plot plan. I mean, it's if the plot if the house was pivoted instead of running across the street, then sure, I'd have no problem with it. My issue is where the plot line gets wider the further back you go. Yeah,
that's that's my biggest issue. That's that's the hardship is the way that the plot and the way that the house currently sits. Doesn't really get wider. It just actually I think technically gets narrower. It's just at an angle. So, it messes things up. Yeah. Yeah. If the original house structure was not
set horizontal to the actual road and it sat correctly on the plot plan, I would have no issue. But the way that the house was constructed, that's where I'm running into the issue. Um, I mean, to me, if you look at going through these different criteria, the
first one is the unique circumstances of the plot. And it it's they it's not talking about the way your house is constructed. It's the unique circumstances of your land, soil conditions, the shape or topography. And in this case, I would say it's the shape and the topography if there's ledge that
prevents you from using some of it. So that I think you've hit that one okay. Um I think you've probably hit the second one. Okay. Too that if we enforcement of the bylaw would involve hardship. Y um because you're right it
is difficult to build you know something substantial which you need um on that lot. My problem is when you get to the the neighborhood because the fact that your neighbor is already closer to the lot line than he should be legally
because you got a special permit for that. Um means unfortunately for you that if you're also closer to that same lot line, it's doubly crowded. You know, I I I disagree on on the on overly crowded because you're
talking about one that's at the very front of the driveway and the land and then you're talking about one where the setback is kind of in the middle of the property. They're they're drastically far apart. Yeah. You're talking 30, 40, 50 ft. And so I'd push back on on the
overcrowding. I could get your point if I needed a 10-ft variance where where his special assessment or permit is. Sure. Definitely a crowding thing, but we're almost opposite ends of the house. Yeah, I I see that. Yeah, it's not like
they're they're right next to each other, right? Um but yeah, they're actually parallel. Um, I get your neighborhood argument and I I do think um like my colleagues
that it's more applicable to the special permit as far as being more or less detrimental to the neighborhood. But again, we kind of go back to the criteria and you have to meet the intent or purpose of the bylaw, which then goes to the variance in this case because
you're creating a new non-conform uh or yeah, a new nonconformity Um, so I think you definitely got the first two at least. Um, the fourth one's probably more tricky, I guess, or I'm not convinced on that issue. I guess I
would also say too that I think it in terms of it being detrimental or not, the fact that you're violating non-conformity on both sides that is I think making it more detrimental rather than less. Sure. So, let's take a step back on that. So, that paper street, nobody knows who owns it. Reading does
not want to take any responsibility whatsoever for it. He's about prospect street. Correct. Yeah. And so nobody's claiming ownership of that. A tree fell on my property, had damage on it. I had to eat the cost of it, and no one knows who owns it. So I I'd have
to disregard that argument that building on both sides is detrimental to the neighborhood. So, in the neighborhood, do you and your you and your neighbor on that on that side kind of treat that strip as Well, this was news to us and the only reason it came to light is because the tree fell down and reading
wanted nothing to do with it. Couldn't tell us who owns it. Um, and they essentially said it's you you guys are on your own. Okay. So, it it's basically a vacant lot or something. Yeah. I mean, if you guys want a Grammy ownership to build on that side, I have no problem. Then you don't
have a don't then you don't need a special permit because you're not encroaching on the side on the side on this side to the back, but we also don't have that power. Yeah. The only thing I would suggest to you if you're not confident with the
board, what you're hearing and everything is that I mean I know what it's like to have the kids and you want everybody in the room and but even if you went to the setback, you'd still have enough room. Let's say that again. Sorry. If you had
to redesign this and go to the setback. Yeah. at 15 ft. Yeah. So I' I've tried with the architect. So the way that I'd have to reconfigure you lose the garage. Well, e even that I by adding this I have to remove a bathroom that's in the middle
of my cape and that becomes the hallway to the addition of that house. And so the only feasible way would be to move the bathroom in between the two bedrooms that I'm looking to put upstairs. So, the two bedrooms are over the garage
with the bathroom, the the new the new proposed. Yeah. Okay. Because there would be no bathroom up there if I'm not able to put one because the existing bathroom becomes the hallway to those two bedrooms. I mean, you Well, there would be. It
just would be your master bath. You have to not have a separate master bath. Oh, I see what you're saying. But I can't but the weight of the I can't tell how much room you have from the from
your from your uh bathroom door. Yep. To a hallway where your um where the bedroom ends. Do you have there? Do you know?
Are you talking about my current bathroom? I'll show you. No, I'm the plan. Hey Here's the the addition on top of the garage. Correct. Correct. Okay. Here's your bathroom. You're talking about this hallway. Yeah. So, the bathroom is actually
the bath. This is the bathroom currently. I know. But the new construction, you're going to put it here. Yeah. And if you cut it down six feet, you still have room to get to this bathroom and get to your Yeah. Yeah, but the way that the architect was explaining it to me, if I squish this,
if I squish this by six or seven feet to accommodate it and then the bathroom comes in the way that the bath or the bedroom layout would be, it's just not adequate to fit. Well, the the secondary bedrooms, correct?
Yeah. The Yeah, these two would be new. This would be obviously new as well, but where I run into is and and I I get your understanding of I wouldn't be able to have a master bathroom, but No, you will have a master bathroom. It's over here. Yeah. And so this is already one room.
This is an existing room. And so I I'd have no place to put a communal bathroom. I mean, that's the You know what I mean? The communal would be this one. That's correct. [Music] Well, I'm I'm not understanding you, but I'm just saying if you cut this if this
was shrunk six feet this way, you still have the same exact layout except these bedrooms. The bedrooms get Yeah, they get Oh, you got 19 ft. I mean, right now you have a huge bedroom. Yeah,
it's uh Oh, thank you. That's easier. Oh Jesus. Yeah. In fact, if you could kind of hold it up and show us what you're what you're talking about. Any cheaters? Yeah. So, you have almost you have the bedrooms are long, Frank. Yeah.
I'm looking at the plans in front of you. I'm just I just hold it up in the white house. You got them. We just don't know what you're talking about. So, this is the addition on the on the left side of the house, right? Got it. Okay. Where the twoc car garages are. Yeah. This is above it. Yep. What I was suggesting
that that's upstairs. Next one's upstairs. Yeah. He has two big bedrooms here with the bathroom. Right. This was pulled back to six six more feet. Yep. You would still have a big bedroom. You'd still have a
hallway to get to this bathroom. I I trying to understand what your his architect is saying, but yeah, cuz I don't have the dimens. If I had to guess this dimension, it's it's 23 ft. Mhm. Yeah. 24. Oh, it's 24 including Yeah, it's a Well,
the walls and the closets, you still needs a door to get into the bedroom. You just have to redesign the the closets, which you still have. You would still have room, right? I don't think you're going to lose a bed bedroom.
Yeah, you will lose a garage though. It's an option. You could you could you could take the chance and see what the board says. I appreciate that. Or you could continue it, redesign, come back, either present it again if you
feel confident, if you fill the the um the hard chips all up, or you can come back with the second design and say, "Okay, yeah, we shrunk it six feet. It'll work." Or you could take the chance and I'm trying to think cuz if Well, let's take a step back and
tell them what the consequences are. So if we vote on this tonight and we decide not to grant it to you, you have to wait 2 years before you can come back to us with the same project. The same project? Correct. Okay. So if you continue it tonight, that means that we just punt it to the next meeting. You get the information you need, you come back to
us and we can discuss it again. Still have it doesn't line up. You follow once you stop pushing the house back. I'm sorry. Could you identify yourself and were you sworn in? If you're going to speak. Sure. Yeah. I swear I tell the truth. The
whole truth is not about the truth. Say again. I swear I tell the truth. The whole truth. Nothing but the truth. Just I do. Sure. Okay. And then sorry, what's your name? Harus. Okay. So, I'm Steven's dad. Okay. So, one one problem is you do lose the garage. The garage that's there
now is useless. Can't use it. And when you start pushing it back, you have the impact of the the ledge in the back. So we're talking about making sideways. Show me about making it narrower. Instead of 24 feet, make it 15 feet. So
it's not this doesn't become I don't know if you have mention on that proportionate and the hallway you need that bathroom on the existing home that's on the top of the stairs. That's the hallway going down. So to be
proportionate, that's the dimension that we need to make it work. Yeah. you going through the three, four times with the architect. I'm not sure I understand what you're saying about the bathrooms. I think from what I see, the the bathroom is on the plan on the second floor could be
shifted over. Seems like no problem. I don't see a bathroom on the first floor that's conflicting. There's no bathroom on the first floor that's conflicting. So, you're talking about the bathroom on the second floor? The proposed one that's in between the bedrooms. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah. So on the second floor on
the living take that left wall and go right and you lo you've got a long hallway right now and you just lose lose part of that hallway. Yeah. This is on the living floor. What's that? The family room. That's the family room. That's just an open room, right? Yeah. Correct. No, no, no bathroom on that
one. Okay. This is what I was talking about. So currently it doesn't matter. Right now this would be this would be right now there's a bathroom up here. Yeah. This is the back of the house. So that bathroom comes out and that's the hallway to come down.
So once you start to slide things down, the room sliding this way, sliding this way, the rooms aren't proportionate. Everything starts to slide. I can't exact dimensions. I mean, I guess like I don't want to get like we're not here to design the building. No, I know. Just give you an Yeah. To be
honest with you, I've already dumped five to seven grand into these plans. I want to go back. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the reason the reason we're talking about this is because one of the factors we look at is if you really need this to accomplish what you want to accomplish or if
there's another way to do it. Sure. So, um because variances are sort of extreme relief because if we allow it, it's there forever on that piece of land, of course. So, um, and just for Amanda,
we're referencing A102 second floor plan. That's what we're all talking about. Thank you. And personally, uh, you know, letters and statements from neighbors, I mean, they're nice and everything, but if they sell their house and it goes to the next
person, then they get some stuck with something that they probably didn't want, you know. No, I know, but I'm in the same boat. I know the special assessment I but it's the same situation whether it's a variance or a special permit when you're selling the house at the end of the day.
I know you guys look at it differently, but it's the same. It's the same situation though. Yeah. Well, so there was one project that we had, I think it was at the last meeting that they were discussing the width of the garage or was it two meetings ago? It was two meetings ago. Yeah. Okay. So, like do we
remember what that minimum dimension was for the double car? You were saying they're 12 ft. A standard garage door is 12 ft for for a single double. So the double would be 24. Yeah. You still have a uh you'll have uh 18 ft wide. It become
a single garage with storage or motorcycles or whatever else you have, which is better than what you have now. Yeah. I mean, there's water seeping. It's not It's not usable. I'm saying, but I I I do hear you on that.
I I tell you the truth, this board here is great giving options. I've seen boards that give zero options. Yeah, I appreciate it. Those two years hurt. Yeah, I'll point it to the next meeting. I guess like so just to be clear like we did the special permit and the variance
are two completely separate things as we're as far as we're concerned. I think we could do the special I think. Yeah, we haven't thought about it much, but I think Okay, sorry. It's already a public comment. I don't think anyone's here. All right, cool. Um, yeah. So, I guess just like lay out your options like the the special permit and the variance are
separate. So, we could grant the special per or we could vote on a special permit. We haven't talked about it much, but it seems like no one's as many objections to that. So, we could do that and continue the variance if you wanted to. That's perfect. I'll go back to the architect. I'll talk to him. I'll see what options he has and then I'll come back
and state my case. Just check. So if you if they were to hypothetically grant the special permit and then say come back and whether they deny or you withdraw the variance, would that affect the other work that you're doing?
Because if you if you get approval for that and then you change it, just say like if you're coming back anyway, you may want to keep the special permit. Yeah. As part of it rather than do a peace meal. So when
you nothing would change on the right hand side of the house, I suppose if you granted that nothing's going to like that at one point. Okay. I have a question. Yes. Hypothetically, I come back here, architect, you guys vote, you you don't
approve the variance here. The special is it the special permit? Yeah, the special permit. Hypothetically, if I was to if somebody was if I was to sell the house, somebody buys it, they knock the house down and keep that special permit foundation. Does that get granted or
would would I be able to keep that foundation? They would have to keep the whole foundation. That's it. No, you you could rebuild on an existing foundation. They'd have to leave, I think, a wall up or something. Yeah, but I I could theoretically take down the
entire portion of the house and keep that. So, I think that would end up being at the dis if they a previous person was to come in, that would be at the discretion of the building commissioner's decision whether or not they believe you would have to come to the board. Yeah. But reality, if you if
we grant you the special permit Yeah. and you and you go to the 15 ft there, you don't have to come back. No, no, no. I get that. But hypothetically, say you grant me this special permit, a street. Yeah.
Say you grant me this special permit for the second bedroom master bathroom and I knock down this portion of the house and rebuild it. Am I still grandfathered with the special permit to do as I please with this? That's a question. Talk to there's
a percentage. Yeah, but I What kind of foundation do you have there? Stone. No, found concrete. Oh, it is. You wouldn't be able to reuse it. I'm just asking. I think it's like someone discretionary. Yeah, I would ask for. All right. I mean, the the point the special permit
is easier to get because you already have a non-conforming use and you're not increasing the nonconformity at all. But if you are seen to abandon the nonconformity by knocking down the house and you're no longer doing it and how much depending on how much time passes depending on you know other things it
would be taking I know what you're saying. I've done it. Yeah. I mean I'd keep a I'll keep a wallet hypothetically I'm saying just to keep that uh line there. It could be done. Okay. But yeah, I don't want to say yes 100% because I
think there's a percentage or just talk to the building department. They'll give you that. So come back here. I think I would just suggest that just the building department. No, we could No, we can vote on that. We could vote on the special permit today. Okay. But since you're coming back in June anyway, I
think you're getting the idea here that the special permit isn't really giving us much trouble. Yeah, of course. Um know if we technically could issue them separately just for the simple fact that it's application. Same application. So, I went through this and asked if I
should do it separately or not for this specific reason. And they said, "Please, it makes sense to do it together." Okay. I would say I would say there's no harm in keeping it together unless you It sounds like the special permit isn't the isn't the issue anyways. Yeah, that's not the issue. Okay. Unless you wanted
to go ahead and start construction on that part of it regardless of what happens to the other part. Sure. So once a special permit is is granted, how long is that in effect for to to finish the construction? Right. I think you have to start within a year or
something. Yeah. A year. Okay. Year. Yeah. All right. So if he came back and he come and he come back with the whole application, but but the news the new one. I mean, I'll come back with some different plans from the architect to see what he's coming up with. I have
no problem with that. Okay. Yeah. I don't have to refile or any of you guys just schedule another meeting will tell you. Yeah. Just continue it to the next meeting. Okay. It's the same application. Uh, understood. Yeah. Okay. Is that what you want? Continue next
meeting. But I know talk to the uh engineers. You sure there's no ledge right there in the beginning? Okay. What side of the house are we on? Yeah. Can I move I'll move to um accept the homeowner's request to continue um application 25.
Oh, sorry. Uh oh, we did. What is the what is the disposition of this hearing? Is it projected or continued? It's continued. It will be. So, there will be an opportunity at the next meeting. We we did open it up for public comment, but we can let him speak. Yeah, he got
something to say. Yeah, you just you can speak now if you want to. Yeah, it'll be on the record. Sure. Sure. Okay. Go ahead. And that way you want just identify yourself. My name is Jack Williams and I live at
46 Summer. I'm diagonally across from Steven's house. Stephen is a is a a very good neighbor and uh has a lovely family. And so it's with a certain amount of hesitation that
I speak in opposition to this project. And I want to uh speak about the street, the neighborhood, and the building. The
street comes uh when it was laid out, the upper hill had a line of red oaks. The lower portion had a line of American ash, many of which are still there. All of the red oaks are still
there. I have saved that oak twice from the axe. And uh those trees give a great deal of of quality to one of the most beautiful streets in uh in
Re. So I would I would ask that Steve seriously consider keeping that tree if possible because part of the entire neighborhood. Would you be opposed to him moving the tree somewhere else if you can't move that tree? It's big. It's
too big. It looks big. Uh, as far as the neighborhood is concerned, the the project that is being envisioned is far too large. It's a neighborhood of small capes. I live in a
Cape. The one next to me is identical as a Cape. Uh, the house next to Steve on the right is identical in in size, small scale. The house to the left is a Sears Robuck house, believe it or not. That's
cool. And so it it it came in a railroad car. Wow. But it's a modern house with all of the different uh masses clearly articulated. So it has a very nice scale. So, what is being proposed is a large
flat twostory, excuse me, threetory elevation with no balconies, no porches, no dormance, no articulation at all except for two narrow uh changes in plane. It is a very benile
and uninspiring elevation. Totally out of character and totally out of scale with the neighborhood. I would ask Steve and I want to remind the board
that Massachusetts has both a title law and a practice law for architects. And as I read these drawings, there's no architect involved. You can't refer to somebody as an architect unless they are a registered
architect. He is. He's a legal architect. Benchmark survey. Benchmark has to survey. Jeffrey Allen. Jeff Allen. Jeff Jeffrey Allen is an architect. Yes. He's He doesn't say it. Certified. He may call himself an architect, but that's against law.
Regardless, I would ask I'd be good to have him stamp it either. Sure. I'll have him stand. No problem. It's it it it's May I speak? Uh I want to let him finish. Yeah, let him finish. Yeah. So, and so I say all of these things because
I feel that that there is an alternative and that's the envelope of space behind the house and that there is no hardship here and that in fact uh that part of the lot uh is is eminently buildable. Uh
it might not be in the confirmation that they have envisioned at this point but I don't see a hardship at all. Okay. So I would I would like to know what the status is at this moment.
Is there going to be a continuation? The status is Do I need to come back? I mean, we we'll give you a chance to to speak again to respond to him, but the status right now is that he asked us to continue it to June. I was about to make a motion to accept that which means that this application I think he's going to
make some amendments to the plan but as amended that we pick up where we left off and will you be sending out to the abutters the same information? It does not get sent out again. Oh, you you can get a copy of that from town hall if he
makes amendments. Yeah. So, typically when someone makes like amendments to the plan, they're supposed they need to submit them to me prior to the meeting and then I will upload them to the website as well. Or if you want to come take a look at them, you're more than welcome to come into the office and take a look at I'll do that because it it
could be that many of the issues that I've just mentioned have gone or it could be that there's some of them are still there. You're not going to get insist in the mail though, just so you know, for for the next meeting. All right. I can I can we I can get the the date of the of the and typically what I
also try to do is I try to post the agenda the week before the meeting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're aware of I I used to be on the historic commission. Okay. So I know all the I know the stuff. Okay. Thank you. Thank you.
Go ahead. So, I understand his uh his concern with the tree. Um, as far as it relates to the overall neighborhood, Peter, how big is your house? It's definitely not a cape in terms of size. Yes. I think it's
about 1,600 ft. Could you identify yourself, please? Oh, sure. Yes. So, I'm here. I live in at 46 Summer. the owner of the house with a little saddle. Uh yeah. Yeah. To tell the truth, the whole truth is not the truth. I'm just I
dot total house 1600 ft. Yeah. Elevation from the street to the top of your house much higher than my proposed. That I I doubt it. And Jack, you know that you stare at my house. you know, his his is his is completely different than anyone else's in the entire neighborhood.
That's true. So, to to pick out, not to mention the drawings that I had as far as uh design for the outside of the house that had to get done for uh for the hearing, that's subject to change. It's certainly not going to be a straight 60 ft foot house. I can tell
you that right off the bat. Well, all I can react to is the drawing. Well, that's fine. You guys don't have to talk about each other's houses. No, you you can do what things in your right. You can but but my point is the the the proposed addition is no different than
what the neighbor to the right of me has. And so that that's not a fair argument and you know that. I I well gentlemen you guys don't speak to each other. Just it's not a fair argument. You cut it down six feet. You could you could build your addition. So you're within your right. You could do whatever
you want. As As for the tree, I've been fighting for this tree for the last 10 years. It's destroyed every car I've had from sap. It's it's a it's a serious issue backing out. It has a complete blind spot as you come around. It's just it's a safety hazard to be honest
with you. Just before you go forward, I advise you make sure you have confirmation the tree and the the curb cuts. Yeah, no problem. So, just get it in writing from the engineering guy and I would then you waste all your money and then you'll have an S driveway. Yeah. No, of course. Yeah, I can. That's
not relevant for our purposes. I think he's just getting that advice more broadly. Yeah. No, I appreciate it. So, do you still want to move it to June? Perfect. Okay. I move to accept the homeowner's request to move application 25-04 to our June meeting to continue
it. All right. All in favor? All right. Thank you. Um All right. Thank you everyone. All right. Question. When in June, sorry. It's the um first Tuesday in June. First Tuesday, June third.
Um I think I think you might have the schedule. Is it a t is it a Tuesday? It's always a Tuesday. I may be in Chicago for work. You can only You can move to July then. I I can tell you right now. I'm sorry. It's the
third. Yeah, I'll be in I'll be in Chicago. Um, do you want to move it to July 1st? Yeah. Well, let me just make sure that's the date that I'm gone. Sorry. You can always continue it to July
later, right? Yeah. Jul Yeah, July 3rd. I'm Yeah, I'm in Chicago. Yeah, if we can move it if if possible. Okay. And I'll amend my motion to move it to continue to the July meeting because the homeowner is unavailable for the June
meeting. Second. I appreciate it. Thank Thank you very much. Thank you. [Music] Um there's no one here for No, he's right there. He's behind the over there.
Just sitting there quietly. Yeah. Sorry about that. I cannot. All right. The case number 25-05 26 Riverside Drive. Um so the zoning board of appeals will hold a spell my notes. Um, we'll
have a public hearing in the select board room and town hall 16 Ready, Massachusetts on Tuesday, May 6th, 2025 at 7 p.m. on application of Chris LE pursuant to match general law chapter 4 day section 10 for a variance under reading zoning bylaw section 4.5.2 6.3
and 7.4 as determined by the zoning board to construct a deck attached to an existing pool with a non-conforming sideyard setback on the property located at 26 Riverside Drive. Service map 11, lot 264 in Ready, Massachusetts. As objection, I'll dispense with the reading that list is except to say the
butters were notified as were excuse me the following. The select board of town clerk of police department, fire department, building department, conservation commission, health department, assessor's office, engineering division, CPDC, and members and associate members of the board of appeals as well as the planning boards of Wakefield, Winfield, North Reading,
Sonum, Wren, and Wilmington. Testimony given before this board is taken under oath. So you may want to speak, please stand and raise your right hand. I swear the testimony given by me before this board will be the truth. The whole truth, nothing but the truth. Response is just I do. I do. Great. Thank you.
Okay. Um yes, give us like a little overview of the case and what you're asking for. Sure. Um I do have some some pictures that I uploaded to the portal. Um I have my laptop if it's easier to view on the laptop for anybody. God. Um
I have mine. Okay. And um there was a testimonial that came in on Sunday if you were able to I sorry we're going to read it in. Yeah, I have that too. If you need it uh just let me know. Thanks. U so thank you for hearing the the
variance um requests here. Um so to move back I'd say last fall we went through the proper permit for uh a 18 foot above ground pool and at that point it went
through um Brett's um leadership for that permit pull and I think Paul was the person that signed off on the final for the pool itself. So that was uh late October of when that actually went
through for the electrical and everything to be running. Um so that was all signed off correctly and the permit was approved off of the setbacks for the pool. Um, so with the the plot plan that
was um submitted for the the permit originally, the pool was not on there and the um proposed deck was just a um more or less a scratch drawing from me. So we we ended up going through uh John
Sullivan for the plot plan that has been proposed as part of the the portal packet. And really what we're looking to do is um have a deck when it when I for me when I hear attached it means like
physically attached to the pool. And what we're after is just to have basically a a deck from the property line on the foundation line to the pool. Not necessarily attached to the pool. It may like overhang, but it's primarily
for convenience of um my children and my wife to have access to the pool and and myself in a way that is relaxing and um priv private to an extent in in our yard. Um so for for the plot plan,
that's what you're looking at from the existing pool and the proposed deck. Um my understanding is with the plot plan on this proposal is that the variance that comes into play is the that
sideyard setback in the backyard where the circle of the pool cheat sheets into it's still our yard but it's it's that 10.2 in the plot plan. Um as opposed to the the 15.4 four
that you would see in the in the table. Um, with with that, I actually went through and went around to each of that directly around my my dwelling and had a
conversation face to face. many times was invited into their home or just communicated um in person on whether or not they wanted uh to object to it and brought that to the um permit poll and was
advised that you still needed to go through this process. So that had been up uploaded to the portal um in support of the construction that we're looking to do for the deck on the pool. And then um our direct neighbor, which would be the abuter on
that 10.2 line, um they couldn't make the the physical meeting, so they ended up recording an additional uh video and the transcript that Amanda um printed out and did that today. Thank you. What number house was that? Just what number
house was that? Um 20. I think they're 20 26. I think I'm 26. They I think 20 202 22 Riverside Drive. Oh. Um so they would do that 10.2 with a circles on that plot
plan. Um so they they went above and beyond being part of that original signature of the surrounding of butters to provide that video as that was the line in question. Um so for me it was just following the the procedures you
know coming at it from the right way of approaching you that for the pool itself and then for the deck that we wanted to do right and have a proper permit for. Um so really that's my case is to have the ability to have the proposed deck.
Um I do have in terms of the answers on the the portal for the submission of the variance. I was advised to do the variance by Brett in that conversation prior to Brett leaving and I think Glenn coming back uh in that position. So that
it was through that conversation with Brett to go through on the variance versus the special permit which I heard that word today. I don't know the differences between the two on whether or not the variance would be needed versus a special permit in this case. But for me what we were looking after is
just to have that deck be part of the foundation. It's not going past that 15 foot 15.4. Um, so for me it's if the pool wasn't there and we wanted to do the deck and then had done the pool and just
moved the pool to the right that 5 ft not knowing that that was going to be an issue, we would have done it that way, but it was more not knowing and then the pool's there and now coming into the variance meeting. So um, here I am. I think that's everything. Um, happy
to answer questions or provide the video or whatever. I've got a couple questions. Sure. It this is you're not removing your current deck, are you? Or or are you you're just adding more deck basically to be Yeah, it would be the pool. Yeah, it would be a separate Okay.
Yeah. Um have you explored the possibility of moving the pool? What would that involve? Um it would be a complete removal of what we just got permitted and done last October. It's
covered. It's not even been used. So, we haven't explored that. Um, it was thousands of dollars to install and to buy. So, avoid that if at all possible.
Um, at the time of the the pool being built and permanent, if that was advised to me to do that, I would have put that into consideration before building that there. Yeah. Um and that
that space is um basically where we would like to put that is there's the existing deck and then there's a staircase um all within code and that's been permitted and pulled and um it it would be a totally separate
deck only for the pool purpose. Is there a reason you can't extend the deck towards what I have here is the existing shed instead of going towards the pool deck the uh setback.
Can I approach? Isn't this Yeah. Yeah. It's it meets the setback. This is the issue, right? The tent the the pool. Yeah, that's a pool. Yeah. So, are we look So, was he looking for variance on the pool? Is that what I think? Well, the problem the problem is
the problem is that this the standard for the pool. I have pictures. Is that is that what the issue? So, just to get every because I'm a little confused. So, you put this pool in last year. We let Amanda explain you. Yeah. Yeah. So, a
pool is allowed um a certain distance I think I think 10 feet. It can be in the setback if it's under a certain amount. Okay. things become closer to the home. I think it's 10 ft. It's considered attached. So when you put the deck there, by putting the deck there, the
pool by extension is considered attached. So therefore, it goes from being conforming to non-conforming because it's now considered attached. And now 5t into the 15T. What makes it attached? The deck. The deck will know
what makes it attached. Let's say it's so it's um let's say it's a foot away from don't have do you know I think within I don't know where it is in the bylaw off the top of my head I was looking in the bylaw and I didn't find anything structures are considered attached I think if it's within 10 ft so
by putting within 10 ft yeah by putting the deck there the pool is considered a structure oh I did find that one yeah so by attaching the deck to the pool like the pool it becomes one more structure that's also But if
that was in the context of garages. Yeah, that's why I didn't think it applied. If I I Yeah. I don't know if this is beneficial to have just as a visual. Yeah. So that's why that's why you see it. Yeah. So it's because the deck is
attached to the home and to the pool attach back. Sorry my words from and you would have put the pool somewhere else had you known the word or they had told you right so so I made sure from the
foundation all the time that's 11 ft and the setback was 10 so we did it a foot away from the foundation this needed to be 10 it's 10.2 too. So when the circle was dug
out, it was with the fact that it would be pulled properly as the permit for the pool. Had had I known that if technically if I did the deck without the pool and then um the pool was you
could have put it a little way or less than 5t to the left like looking this to looking at this way to the right. then there would be no issues. So let me go in front of your stairs though. Yeah. So that that was the um so this is the
testimonial from Mike. I can play that if need be. But so this is the current deck. This is the stairs. Um the foundation here is 15. Um so this is Mike and Bell's sideyard which is so the deck's going to be right for that small
window. Um, so this this window should be removed. Then there's going to be no window there whatsoever. Just be siding. Um, so the deck would end at the foundation line and then the foundation to this is 15. So really what what we're
looking at is um is that upper deck going to be connected to that one? No. In no in no way. No way. So it's just a it looks like the space. Yeah. So this is another visual that um so basically the
foundation line is where the filter is. Yeah. That is where technically is going to to end. The the staircase up to the deck would basically like a 45 degree angle, but this would be a totally separate structure from the deck and it
would end at that 15 ft line here. And nothing is changing. Like the pool's not changing. The deck's not changing. The deck, what I would want to do is be a little bit above the pool so it's just an overhang so people can put their feet
in, but not in any way impeding on Mike and Bell's I can I can I go through sort of a little miniature legal analysis here? Yeah, please. I found in the bylaws the the reference to pools is in
5.51.3 which says that a swimming pool or similar home recreational facility shall be permitted at any size provided it is not located in the setbacks. But then the next sentence says a says the opposite. A home recreational facility
may be located within a required sideyard or required rear yard setback provided not larger than 25% of the principal structure which this isn't. Um, so that seems to me to be saying that something like that, a pool or a
tennis court can't be completely within a setback or can't be entirely in a setback, but it can infringe upon the setback because that um, by law is very confusing, but that's the way I interpret it and I
think it's a reasonable interpretation. Then we get what Amanda referenced earlier, which is the 10 feet thing. And that is which is where we got the nile.5.1 letter. Right. Okay. That's under general
provisions and it's talking about any accessory building or structure including a garage that is less than 10 ft shall be considered attached to the principal structure. However, I don't think a pool is the same thing as an
accessory building or structure because under this other law, a pool is a home recreational facility. It is not a building or a structure. Therefore, the attached thing does not apply to the pool. Therefore, if the pool is not
attached to the deck, I don't think variance is needed. That's my legal analysis. I so Zach's pausing. Thank you. So basically, if you didn't attach it directly to the house, if you
had a freestanding, as long as it is not attached, it can be right up against the pool or the house. The deck cannot be attached to the pool. So to the pool, anything that's within, unless it's the
principal structure, the 10 ft would be considered attached. So you're saying that if it's attached to the home, you wouldn't consider the pool attached. Yeah. If it's attached to the home, it's conforming. It's fine. It's within the setback. The only thing that makes it
that makes it infringe on the setback is the existence of the pool. But the pool to my mind is not an accessory building or structure that is considered attached. That's how I interpreted it. I'm just kind of following the process.
Yeah. to completion. But that's how I read it in how every neighbor that I can't call it a building. Call it a structure. I got to say is that in the definition of structure in the zoning files, it says includes swimming pools. Oh, it does. Okay. All right. Sorry. Never mind. I tried. They do separately classify as a home recreation thing.
Yeah. When they say that, I'm taking it as that. It's mobile. It's not a fixed structure and it's not in ground. Theoretically, not easily. That's not an actual fixed structure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What where where was that? Where
did you find that definition? I think that's why they were very looking for the definition of structure. Yeah. Any combination of parts or materials assembled and joined or mixed together in some definite manner or pattern at a certain location for any purpose or use,
whether or not courts or athletic and recreational activity and the equipment and paraphernalia associated with any such court. but shall not include fences, garden walls, and paved areas used solely for vehicular or pedestrian access. All right. Structures include
swimming pools, tennis courts, sports cards, and it's that part. All right. What type of swimming pools though? It just says swimming pools, but that's the same terminology that's used for that other one that I was on the ground totally different on this side.
Um, if we were to do that, then we're basically looking into Val and Mike's backyard. And for for us, it's a privacy. It's the same thing. It'll be considered. Can you explain the privacy? I thought it was because it was attached
to the um house. I mean, from here, if we're looking at it from a privacy standpoint, there's a there's a tree here that blocks between our two yards. And if it's set back here, um, what we're looking at there's the space here
is is basically unusable for really anything else. And for privacy, for being on the deck, coming up and down, accessing side here. Um, sorry if I'm looking at
uh trying to get another photo. Um, so this is the current deck. It would just be access would be here on um from if it was where he's proposing.
We'd literally be looking at our neighbor's backyard while we're on our deck. Wait a minute. The pool is 10 ft 9 in away from the house. And look how close it is to the stairs, too. So this Amanda, could you repeat that again?
What makes it attached? We're looking at it right now. We're looking at it. All right. It dep All right. Now I have a comma problem. Any accessory building or structure, comma, including a garage that is less than 10 ft from a principal structure on
the lot, no comma, shall be considered attached to the principal structure. If it's less than 10 ft, it's attached. If it's not less than 10 feet, it's not attached. And this is 10 feet nine. 10 nine. So, it's not attached. Do we even
need a permit though? Or I don't think he does because I think the it comes down to the deck being put there. So, the deck considered a structure and it's now by extension attached to the pool. The deck is not attached attached
to attached to the pool. Yeah. There might be a gap between them. In that case, the set of stairs is not within 10 ft of the house. It's not attached to the deck. So, in that case, the stairs are attached to to the pool.
Are they are they? Well, according to what you said, it's closer than 10 ft. What stairs? What makes it attached to the pool again? Any accessory dwelling or structure. the deck itself being attached to the pool.
So, you can go in and out of the pool from It's not attached to it physically. It's just next to the pool. It'll be a couple double check with, you know what I mean? Cuz then the stairs would be considered attached. This is saying I mean, I can only inter and I'm a lawyer. I can only interpret the
bylaws the way they're written and that's what we're trusted to do. Um, and according to this, I I do agree that it's a structure. A pool is a structure under that other one. But only structures that are less than
10 ft from the principal structure are considered attached to inherently. So the stairs are less than 10 ft. What stairs? Right here. I think the stairs are Are you talking about the existing stairs? No, you're talking about the
existing stairs. I don't care about the existing stairs. I know, but if you're going to if we're going to say that the deck that he's building is going to be attached cuz it's less than 10 ft. Is the deck that he's building attached to those stairs? No. No. What I'm saying is maybe I'm confused. What we're calling
attached to the pool? Yeah. What are we considering attached to the pool? So, why are we considering this deck attached? There's two meanings of the words attached. You're thinking physical attachment. I'm thinking uh the bylaws are are
talking about legal attachment. If it's within 10 feet, it's considered legally attached. Even if it's not physically attached, set of stairs within 10 ft. I think those stairs are attached. They're just not encroaching on those dimensions. I'm using the attach in a legal form that the stairs are within 10
ft. The only piece of this project that violates the setback is the pool itself. Correct. but he got a permit for it. So, I'm not concerned about that violation in itself. The argument or the the problem
is that when it was rejected, it was because they were considering that adding a deck to it turned it into a structure that is attached. I I I don't understand the logic of why
it became a problem, honestly. I've right I've heard in this conversation that you don't need a permit that it it may not need a variance that it we're talking we're talking through this right so from your expertise to me go just
going through the process of trying to do it the right way I mean for me I'd defer to what your ultimate decision is but it seems like it is a technicality and I feel like if if we were to do the deck first and know
going into where the pool needed to be. We would have put the pool where it needed to be. And since the pool was permanent and we When you got the pool permit, did you tell them that you eventually intended to do a deck? At that point, we didn't. No. Um there's I mean
there's some some reasons for the deck that I I really for for health reasons that I I didn't want I don't want to make really public, but that went into the the idea of why we wanted to go with the deck. what what what I've been doing here is
trying to interpret the bylaws correctly but in a way that we can help you right um yeah understood completely so um did you you understand what I'm saying I don't know that this is 10 ft if we're
going to call anything violation I think that's what he's trying to say the permit was given to him which he should have got a variance in the first place no these ones I think oh the stairs that Yeah, stairs would be considered it's already structure. Yeah, but I think we're also a little confused about if
the 10 ft thing applies to decks or if it's just like a physical envelope of the house. I mean, the deck itself is fine. What makes it not fine is that they're considering the pool to be part of it.
pull by itself, it would have been okay. But now we're So it sounds like what really needs to happen is the deck just needs to be a little short of the actual pool so it's not physically touching. It's not anyways to me. I don't know. That doesn't seem
like Yeah, I don't think it's a problem. That's why I asked you what is considered attached is 10 if if the if the the pool being within 10 ft is considered attached to of the house attached to the house it is
within 10 ft of those stairs stair stairs don't count the structure it's the foundation of the house not 10.9 but if we put a deck that's not the foundation of the house that also doesn't count so right
what do you getting a variance? That's my question. That's what I'm That's what I'm getting to here. Yeah. If the structure I see what you mean with house now. Okay. If the pool
is not attached to the deck physically, then it doesn't become part of the deck structure and we're not it does not create a nonconformity. under the way I am interpreting these
bylaws which everybody seems to agree with agree with except possibly Amanda but I'm just sharing the information. I don't necessarily disagree. Yeah. Okay. So yeah, I guess and in that case you do
we do not need to allow a variance because you do not need to have a variance and we've done that before in past cases. Yeah, not sure if you were on it then. We've had cases before those corner lot cases that we had a couple of
years ago where we decided that you don't need to request a variance because the way we're defining this, you don't violate it. Okay. Because he probably seen this one before. Sai has seen this one before, by the
way, but he's retired. Yeah. Um should we issue a fine date? Yeah, that's that's what we should do. So carefully worded. Yeah. Let me puzzle this through. Okay.
Um, I move that the ZBA make a finding that no variance is necessary for the plot plan and the plan that has been um
included in this application because the pool is not going to be physically attached to the deck and it is not considered attached to the house in itself because it is more than 10 ft
away. Therefore, the pool um does does not cause a problem um to the um construction of this deck and the deck itself does not need a variance. It conforms. Second.
Yeah, that's good. Uh before we vote actually though, can I just read all the letters for the record? Yeah, I forgot to do that. Um, thank you Dr. So the signatures that were collected by the applicant are
actually you just want to read this. I want to read the video the transcript while I try to find this the the transcript of the um rather the summary of the video that was submitted. Um, Valerie and Michael Walsh submitted a video testimonial stating that they are
the property owners located at 22 Riverside Drive to direct abuing neighbors to 26 Riverside Drive. They apologize they're unable to attend the in-person meeting on Tuesday, May 6, and we're hoping the zoning board of appeals would take in consideration their video testimonial. They have known Chris and
Lisa for over two years of living in the neighborhood and are 100% in support of their new deck project and anything else they might want to do. If the board has any questions, they noted they could be reached and they gave their phone numbers. Okay. And in addition to that, we also
have a signed letter um from a number of the neighbors in support of this project. Um I'm going to do my best to read this cursive here. So, it's Joe and Dolores Pello at 32 Verside Drive. Matt and
Justina, Justina, thank you very much. 29 Riverside Drive. Uh Tim and Chris Kelly 56 Sunny Sunnyside Drive. Um Chris and Maria Cole, thank you. At 25 Drive, uh Valerie
Wallen, Valer Valerie Mike Walsh. Walsh. Okay. At 22 drive. Um and then we'll sign a letter in support. Um Okay. Um and just note um Oh, well well let let's vote, I guess. Yeah. So all in favor of the motion
I seconded that I don't just note though that it is a condition that they not be attached right understood going into the whole thing. Um I did have one question with the the original permit total in
the denial letter is that can that now be can that permit or that I'm told still Sure. So typically what will happen is we have to issue the findings. So, we have about two weeks to draft that, send that out, the 20-day appeal
period. And then once we once the appeal period is over, if no one has any objections, then you can come in and get a certified copy from the town clerk. And then you register that with the registry of deeds and bring a copy of
that back to the building permit and then Ken can work with you to change it from a letter of denial to whatever actual building permit you actually need. off of like this was the the decision, but the fact that that like no variance
was needed like that's still I guess what what am I logging with the registry of demons? Sure. So it's the decision. So there's a 20-day appeal period for the decision. So like if one of your brothers say they had a problem with it, they could file like agreements. Okay. But once that 20-day appeal period is
done, then you can Okay. June most likely um like date wise typically ends up coming pretty close to like the next meeting. So sometime around June we have about four roughly 14 days to draft it and post it and send it out. Okay. We try to get done as
quick as as we can. Um so once it's posted I usually will go make a note in the portal when it's posted that I uploaded um a copy of it when you can pick it up and then like administrative stuff. Awesome. Thank you very much.
You're welcome. Thank you. Thank you. Do you have something you're gonna say? No. Okay. Um minutes from last week. Month. Month. Last month. Yeah. A spelling. Yep. Thank you. Thank
you so much. Have a good night. I just had a spelling mistake on Everett's last name. There's no E at the end. Let me just cross for you. The extra E at the end and I wasn't at the last meeting. So to
approve as amen on that decision. I think it's the right one because do we you know how some pool have those little closing meeting real quick? Yeah, let's close the meeting. Oh, did you I thought you closed it. Yeah. Uh any other business? I move to adjurnn. Second. All in favor? All
right. Great.