e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e well we've experienced that in recent past where people come in and ask for approval after it's all done yeah no we do a lot of work in Reading um so we definitely play by yeah okay all right okay that's the only comment I have at the moment I think I'll leave it to the rest of the board anything Patrick no the tricky part I don't know if you were um I I don't know how much you had heard about the the prior sounds like they to pull that so it was it was building a bubble that was mov conforming and it was maybe half like six inches into the um rear set back there are circumstances where where we are required to follow president and we have to try and find a way to uniformly apply certain rules across the board to everyone so it's circumstances where we there absolutely has to be such a compelling reason I know and unfortunately for me I don't necessarily know if this gets there when especially when we're still in the plan stages and we can there is a way to redesign to the extent uh just to try and find a Best the a best way just to get move that small amount over so um the just to to recap the we don't need it wider the whole point is the depth um so I know you had mentioned what can you bring it in yeah but we we don't need it wider um we need it longer yeah more dep so so there's no other way to to move it to give us the the depth that we were looking for I do understand your point you could get more depth by moving it sideways oh um no because we'd have to be um it'd have to move over what's the side set back 10 feet or8 feet we have to move over six feet to get that you know what I mean I think the saying we could make it a special permit because it be just classified as the same size as the existing back or the same setback um okay I want to talk about that um the other thing is I totally understand what you mean I know variances are hard to get I've done them in a few yeah one of the about a variance is that it stays with the property forever yeah it's so they could move somebody could move the next door and they don't like it you know or they want to do something so it but it's phased with the property forever you can't change it and I and I do understand um what you're saying about this but this is is also a unique lot I don't know what his lot looked like where they had but it was probably a bigger lot and I absolutely understand it but we've also come across many other circumstances where we have not necessarily granted that particular type of relief or circumstances that frankly are much more compelling okay I had one questions about the plans too and it look like maybe you had it corrected on the one you had but um the drawing on the that has like the layout of the the call architectural drawing yeah that one at least on the cop we had said 11 fo4 and on the plot plan it said 12 fo4 so just a little bit it's 12 it's 12 sorry about that okay uh I think it's adorable it's really nice yeah it's just it's hard to hard to rationalize how you can't find a way to do it by right which means how how do you get rid of that two1 of a foot I mean if it was six half a foot it's funny because it's 2.4 Ines it's six in well to the lot line but on the deck it's actually six inches it's just the way that the lot you know what I mean so it does add half a foot to the deck area but to the lot line it's it's ress yeah yeah one of the other things we look at when we deal with some things like this is that if you were if the current setback was 3.4 ft and you wanted to stay there you weren't creating a new non-conformity you so that's what I I we talked a lot about this um because I do understand how hard it is um and I what we did discuss we talked about that having what you exist will probably be approved yeah yeah yeah and the other thing that's should be a concern to you tonight too is we only have four voting members tonight we usually have five but one wasn't able to be here tonight which means we normally require four out of five oh okay to approve tonight you would need four out of four okay yeah so the other option available to you continue it until the next meeting with five members yeah I mean you got a better shot getting what getting approval okay I I understand thank you for that I have trouble listening are you are you Whispering for a reason Tony a voice my voice is yeah oh did you tell us that in advance I got here I was going to turn my hearing a back up okay that's the only comment I would make too because it's it's it's a tough sell yeah it really is a tough cell I think the one thing that I'm still not quite understanding is you said you weren't as concerned about the width of the deck right yeah so I think if you make it narrow it should bring it away from that lot line though too yeah so um so we weren't we didn't need to make it any big I mean this is just for a grill area so and you only have it's 6' 11 but then you take off uh the rails on each side now you're down to a little less than six and a normal Grizz around five feet it gives us a little room there but I mean um I if you make it six inches narrower you're going to lose anything and like I don't know exactly how the geometry will work when you plot plan it out yeah so it's something to that we could look at okay yeah yeah I guess like my my one is like I think one of criteria substantial hardship I'm not sure I can um see this being substantial hardship to have a 1.2 inches smaller like you just like cut the picture frame of the deck like 1.2 inch on the corner like it seems like that would be oh like sham for the edge yeah like I think that would beor okay yeah I think there are options available to you that would would still give you what you want yeah without take our shot without a need for varou we needed my suggestion would be to continue with the next meeting and take a look at what you could do to do that and if you could pull that off you wouldn't even have to come back here well put the on the second level St yeah so say that again so if we conform then we would just have to do a special permit if you got rid of the perola and just cut that two10 out one way one way or another ra tail you'd have to back for a permit okay yeah I can make the setback same as it was have to back for a speci okay but if you like conform which I don't think you want to do it have to be really yeah so I think like conforming in the sense would mean like having a full 15 yard set which I don't think oh yeah so yeah you don't want to on exting yeah yeah okay all right um know well I think we'll take our shot with you guys we'll come back to it yeah we gotta take another look at what we can do and what makes the most [Music] sense yeah so what I'm hearing what was that she asking about a special perment better re advertise yeah what um how does that what's that process like we got to know here yeah I mean we need to know we would have to get an updated plot plan to see what is actually so redo the design get the updated plot yep and then it could re then I mean if you came back and they decided on a special permit I mean it could still be advertised it still advertised the varant which is hard of it get so I think that they could just come back building could make that correct the board made the decision to I don't think it would have to be right but we need plan we need the new PL plan if it got continued to the next meeting then we would advertise it just get continued and if okay you came in with new plans and showed the board and they said a special requirment then we wouldn't have to re okay a few questions with that um would I know we have the you know you need everything would it be able to would we be able to come to the next meeting and I have new plans to show you or do I need to submit all that stuff prior like we did for this sorry I just wanted to make sure we didn't have to read advertise if you're going for a special permit because you came for a variance so pretty much what you just need to do is come up with new plans submit them um I talk to Brett about them I don't know if that's yeah I mean I would say be earlier to get the plan just so the board can look at them but I think I think if it was continued under the circumstances of a variance and you came in with a plan change for a special permit I think that would be sufficient I agree with that do we just continue your hearing to the next meeting and then you come to the next meeting with the new plans and review them again okay how do you what do you this is what you guys that's fine that's fine I guess we'll do that okay sounds good um well I would make a motion to accept the petition the applicants request to continue the meeting without prejudice until the June and I believe it's June the meeting 4th I believe yeah until the June 4th meeting of the board board favor yeah seconded Ines yes and there's whisper down here yeah second it yes okay and I'll close by saying I love it okay I really do really cute I drove by the house and you don't have a lot of room the best what we have wow okay don't yeah yeah I love my job um sorry so are we um oh do you guys need to motion or we all well thank you see you in June thank you thank you thank you thanks you too it for the night your last one yeah right move on to zba case number 24-6 87 Walkers book drive um the zon board to hold a public Hearing in the burger room at Town Hall 16 Wall Street Reading Massachusetts on Tuesday May 7 2024 at 7.m on the application of viewpoint sign and Awning student of Master Law chapter 40a section 10 for a variance under reading zoning by section 4.5.2 7.4 8.2 and 8.4 f as many determined by The Zing board to install a digital drivethru menu board at the property located at 87 Drive accors M 13 lot 3 and Reading Massachusetts an objection iens the reading of the except STS are notified as were the following the select board town clerk Police Department fire department building department Conservation Commission Health Department assessor's office engineering division cpdc members and Associate members of the board of appeals as well as the planning boards of Wakefield Lindfield North riding stonum wuber and wimington testimony given before this board is taken under oath so if you think you may want to speak please stand and raise your right hand I swear that the testimony given to by me before this board will be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth and the response is just I do I do great thank you uh yeah so if you want to just give us a run through of your case um sure it's a fairly contained so we have uh Duncan remodeling in the Shell gas station uh and so all the signs have been approved everything's uh fine the only uh hiccup was the menu point because of the code being H static requiring static and so the reason we're here is to get relief to put in a digital board as supposed to a static board and uh it's it's not like an advertisement like I do sell these you know like you see onto dealership for instance or a furniture store but um this is in the back of the building and it's just a clean menu that's used Nationwide for Dunkin Donuts they they've gotten rid of the static boards they don't even manufacture them anymore so all the new drive-through systems that Duncan and all the fact basically all electronic and integrated so the menu the interior menus and the speaker all are talking to each other so that's what we're asking for okay do they dim at night they do you're not facing any residential it's in the back of the gas behind you was like a highway right oh yeah it's industrial I oh right point away from the yeah yeah I actually do work for the owner of the gas station as well so I've been there a bunch and it's completely hidden back there except for I think a parking lot behind the abidon build is yeah but that's so it's like the perfect place to do it and yeah how long has Duncan been in that location that's what I said I wasn't for that question a long time yeah I did the original signs there when they when they moved in there um but it's hard to come up with years as you get older as I am thinking back number you know I think this might be their second remodel so be 15 years don't know I don't know yeah I don't know I've been there I've been there writing for 20 years and I think I was there when I got oh could be yeah yeah very well-run gas station I have to say they do they're good operators is this a when you're you're doing a makeover is this a rebranding of dun it is it is Dunc are required to do branding uh every so every X number of years uh and so the owner of this happens to own a lot of of dunkies and so they are continually updating stores throughout the you envision changes in in usage and traffic yeah so it' be pretty much that will be pretty much what it currently has yeah I I don't think any of that's changing okay yeah so you basically want to get into the electronic age yeah yeah and you know it's unfortunate for my company because we used to manufacture the static boards for Duncan and uh and now except for honeydew haven't quite gotten which program all the everything's electronic I mean the entire industry is electronic it's all gone all the static stuff is it's not even manufactured yeah are the menu boards freestanding or they are freestanding okay Y and the standing board and the new board would be exactly the same size they are the same size yes yeah so it's just a swamp Okay I did see in The Proposal there's mentioning something about like static versus Dynamic content on it do you know what like Dynamic content looks like is like like videos or is it just like animation no I don't I don't think it's videos I think it's just food items and they may just alter them throughout the day okay uh and you know for little lunch kind of thing I don't know how much to actually change it okay yeah but I mean you want to see it when you drive up to it right it's not like a message center where they're advertising okay yeah is it going to be is it going to be a facing away from the highway I think it I think you can see it from the car driving up to it in the back of the property yeah it's in the back you're perpendicular to the highway yeah and it's it's pretty far set back you know not not that you can see it but it's still pretty far you wouldn't be able to see it yeah I don't think you would even see Road either sit from the road building yeah okay so the only people are going to really see that is yeah the customer customer and how many boards is it just replacing with one yeah just that's the only question now I think it's the one menu board yeah I mean one of the problems I have and I've been on this board for a long time is that we live in an electronic age now my friends I'm a techy you know we're done with putting step Lads up to change sign boards and all that exactly okay exactly except for the Burlington all that's they still do that I think we live we live in an age now where Electronics is the name of the game right right so no I mean Duncan has to do it to compete in the the fast food Change yeah okay I don't have any further questions like so yeah yeah I think McDonald's with their remodel asked for something similar so McDonald's asked for something similar with their remodel right yeah it was the same yeah it was the same VAR for the same Bo their neighbors were impacted though and that's yeah that's why we kind of made them go back and forth a few times there yeah actually I guess a big maybe question related to that is like is there any changes to like the audio portion of it or is it just no I don't think yeah and it's just you know talking the person they don't change their menu board that often do they I don't think so because it's not thato they would yeah it's not that broad a menu yeah and that's the whole idea because it's you know inefficient to have too many items and I think the question I think you raised it was that the dimmer yes they come goes down it's going to be D are these These are LED yeah yeah I don't even make these they get shipped in any other questions I don't public comment I don't think there's anyone here so I would just say the same thing that we said with the last one that said we have four members present tonight okay on variance so you need all four yeses okay as opposed to no regular Board of five I heard that from the hall you can survive with four out of five yeah you have survive when four a four right you have the option of that's consciously deciding to wait till the next meeting or I mean take the gamble tonight yeah I mean strong reason to defer if we booted it down then you're you're stuck with not coming back for right quite a while right right two years I think yeah so it's up to you is we want us to vote or not uh okay I mean it seems you know like pretty easy request to me and you know I've been denied for message centers but this is just so uous that it doesn't seem like an issue I mean if anyone has objection and want to listen and then decide whether to if we're just doing a stroll pole essentially to an extent I mean I I'm I believe this is a simar circumstance and way have precedent already with McDonald's I believe this is technology moving faster than the leg so I think it's something that I believe that since all signs are going to be going towards uh these led uh lights and it's a circumstance where this is actually part of of Duncan trade dress as well and that is something that's uniform across all of their uh their facilities and something that's uniform across basically all of their own intellectual property I I'm I'm more inclined to agree to this one seen page well I'll make a motion okay I would move to Grant the petitioner Viewpoint sign and Awning and variance under reading zoning bylaw section 8.4 F to install a digital drive-through menu board on the property located at 87 Walker Brook Drive and reading in accordance with the drawings and sporting materials including with the application all favor great great thank you thank you appreciate it yeah you I did okay did good good questions with the yeah thank you very much okay I think that last thing is just the meeting from last week anyone have any comments on those or last month sorry not last week I did uh first page under 24 to4 second that second paragraph there it says the proposed work includes one a one-story addition with porch extension the current yard setbacks measure I would say it's singular the current setback measures 1.5 ft the that's all anything else Pro second all in favor I right is there any other business Amanda or Brett we have no I think my question is do you guys want a physical copy so you brought one in I think you brought I usually bring them in so yeah I wouldn't mind you want me to bring one in for you guys well I I'm old school I like to see it but I also kind of like read them I just read them online any yes the only thing I really need is like that is the denial letter and the plot plan and then everything else I can kind of look at online okay that's what I like to look at in reference I usually have one pictures are helpful too packet so if you guys want it or if you do want me to bring in like a full packet for you guys than I don't need the whole iint out what I great hope it gets better soon this is mostly self-inflicted I was uh coaching my daughter's lacrosse I thought you were gonna say you were at the game yeah he should be right he's going in every direction right now he sure is lovely so it was one of the things where we are kind of hand across thick at first I didn't start the club team I I physically could not hand I was always like the short slow kid so was a goalie so I am now the goie for my daughter I get bully a lot of I could never be bulli the ball thank you I grew up with brothers and I could not I could oh dear e e e 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