##VIDEO ID:CAgK_gPY_OA## e e e e e e August 6 board of appeals meeting and today on our agenda we have 943 Main Street as well as 264 Ash Street if you would like to speak on either of these matters today I'd like for you to stand up now please we're going to swear everybody in at once make this easy if you're planning on speaking today stand up and raise your right hand do you solemnly swear that your testimony before the board of appeals today will be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth the response is I do I do I'm not opposed to it okay so actually do this in reverse order the first one up today will be 264 Ash Street and Zoning Board of Appeals will hold a public Hearing in the select board meeting room at Town Hall 16 W Street Reading Massachusetts on Tuesday August 6 2024 at 7M on the application of attorney Josh Leon pursuant to mglc 4A section 9 for special permit under the reading zoning bylaw sections 5.32 7.0 7.2 7.3 and 7.32 has the an existing legal non-conforming two family dwelling and reconstruct a new two family dwelling on the property located at 246 Ash stre assess map 12 lot 126 and bring Massachusetts just one second unless there's any objection I will dispense with the reading of the abuts list except to say that the abuts were notified as were the following select board town clerk Police Department fire department building department Conservation Commission Health Department assessor's office engineering division cbdc members and Associate members of the board of appeals as well as the planning boards of Wayfield Linfield North ring STA wuber and Wilmington floor is yours Josh good evening attorney Josh leam here tonight on behalf of sgsg realy LLC it's the owner of the property it's an LLC but it's actually the Cresta family uh they're here with me tonight it's it's Nancy and Richard Cresta they're sitting back here they actually live across the street um so they live within the neighborhood um they've talked to a lot of the Neighbors about this as well um so I think we might have some folks here in tonight support uh but to give a brief overview this is an application for an existing pre-existing non-conforming two family dwelling at 264 4 266 Ash Street uh this property dates to about 1890 for the assessors records which is consistent with the construction style and the nature of the property um the property is non-conforming with regards to use because it's located within the S15 zoning District which is not allowed to family however it is pre-existing non-conforming and to that if I may approach the board I have copies of Street listings going back to 1972 in paper but then I have 1936 and 1944 that I went to the library and took a photo of which didn't come out very well but they all reflect the same addresses 264 266 with different families living in each one so it does predate the zoning in in 1944 uh may I approach thank you very much I've actually marked the two addresses and this is all of them within one packet [Music] so I think if you if you quickly look through the street list I I start with 2000 to keep it simple uh and I've put a star next to to these two units uh for this property and it goes back to we have 1991 1988 then we have 1982 then we have 1974 and I can submit the 1936 and 1944 electronically or I'll go back and get better quality copies um but if anyone does want to see them I I do actually have them here they're just they didn't come out very well um but just for purposes there's the 1936 and then here we are with the 1942 so uh what we're proposing today is to raise the existing U kind of tied two family building to build a new two family within the same lot the only other non-conformity besides use is front yard setback so the existing property is set back approximately between 10.6 feet and 18.1 feet from the front yard that is non-conforming because in the S15 District 20 feet is required our proposal is to build a new two family dwelling that conforms entirely with all zoning dimensional requirements so we will actually make this a more conforming property as a result of this proposal if you approve it tonight with a special permit um the other piece to it this property is you know it's an interesting neighborhood and that it's a very transitional diverse neighborhood so obviously the standard for the board under 7.2 is that you find that what we're proposing is not substantially more detrimental to the neighborhood than the existing non-conforming two family use I know you're very familiar with that standard I think it might be useful to reflect on really what is the nature of the neighborhood if you do a quick review of Just from the Assessor's Database and you click on the property types you look at it uh from an aerial view within just 300 ft you have industrial properties behind you have the rmld building just four properties up to the north you have commercial whether it's retail office and Automotive all within that same area you have at least 12 two Family Properties just within 100 yards there's also two multifilm properties three units or more also one with on on this very Street at 284 as Street another one on Main Street um with regards to what their abutters are the abutter to the north is a two family the abutter to the South is a two family the abutter to the rear is industrial and it's the re reading medical office building a pawn Meadow Drive that you come to off of Walkers Brook So within the neighborhood but there isn't really a consistent standard of what is the nature of the the homes and the structures now certainly there is a resident single fil residential feel when you cross the street and start getting closer within the neighborhood itself but just on this side of the street there are five two family buildings in a row then there's a single family then there's a three family on the other direction you then get to the rmld and then you start getting to office and you get closer to the railroad tracks So within the of the neighborhood I would pose to you that the two family proposal that we're making as a duplex two family style would be consistent or would be again a diverse transitional type neighborhood um really beyond that our argument is that we believe it's not detrimental at all to the neighborhood let alone substantially more detrimental so we would pose that we think this would be appropriate especially based on the precedent of this board When approaching similar projects and actually ones that are even more challenging the board has consistently found that you know if it isn't really going to be a significant deviation in the neighborhood it would be appropriate to special permit in these circumstances so uh with that it closes my presentation we're happy to answer any questions that the public might have thank you questions for Mr we can do comments and questions from the board first I have one question uh for the street listings was this the only ones that showed up as two families or uh within the street with the street listings that you yeah so what I've done is I've only gone I only had those at my office we just have kind of our own collection of Old Street listings and bylaws don't trust me um I went through the box those are the ones we had handy so I quickly copied those and then I said you know what they're going to want to see one prior to 1942 shot over to the library went into the historic local Records Office pulled out 36 pulled out 42 took a photo of both both of them show both 264 and 2 2c6 with separate families living in each inter okay so this is a two family by virtue of the fact that it's been a two family for close to 100 years not because it was ever formally changed Chang to be a two family or authorized to be a two family correct I did look through the building permit records and we really didn't find anything other than something for the barn in the back which wasn't very helpful this lot imposes on both a it's also it's a in a residential district but it's also in an industrial district is it not that's correct Al although the home you're talking about taking down and replacing is all in within that's accurate resal so the entire part of the work we're proposing is entirely within the residential the S15 portion of this lot um you'll see on the plot P that was submitted the line doesn't carry all the way across but you can see where it connects into the lot lines that is the industrial district to the rear that's why there's an industrial park behind us um that's why the reading office Reading Medical Office Center is behind us as well but it's been around longer than the bylaws it has yes existed in this town which I think is what 1942 May yep and that's why I think those two Street listings the 36 and 42 both show that for this property it was a two family at that time in Prior at that time was legal correct okay I see that there is uh as best as in the sighting how are you going to be able to mitigate that when you're taking down the house I think it's going to be expensive they're going to have to follow all the protocols for D to make sure they do containment um that's part of the reason that the new construction makes more sense than simply renovating what's there getting you know all the modern efficiencies taking care of all the Environmental aspects there's lead paint for sure in the property the asbest siding the asbest rof so it's something that this is actually it's going to improve a lot Beyond just um creating a new to family it also allows us to address a lot of those other concerns is this considered a historic property at all it is not do you know if the town has multiple families registered to move uh they have historically and that's what the street listing ultimately went towards was if there was a little I may have covered in some spots unintentionally but there's a little Aster it meant they were registered to vote at that time okay does the board have any more questions comments let's open up for public comment is anyone want to speak or be heard on 246 Ash Street he what say 246 oh all right the wrong all right Manda what are you doing to me I'm just kidding 264 Street or 246 for that matter yeah yeah okay let's close for public comment any further comment from the board I'd like to remind those of us who were here at the time that about a year ago we considered on the same street right down the street um a request to basically legalize a property that had been used as a two family for quite some time 337 in maybe we did not approve that one we did not find last year right yeah I think I think it was roughly a year ago um and I'm wondering if anybody on the board can recall any differences between that one and this one they did not have stre yeah that was an necessary dwelling unit yes yeah 337 they were trying to go from the accessory they were trying to go to a single to an with an accessory dwelling unit to a two family right okay that was the difference yeah differ I do remember that entertain a motion if I I'll make a motion okay question before I do that because there's six of us here and five SP uh one two oh yeah all right so the okay you can take the first one you should I take the first one because I was making comment during this one sure okay I would move to Grant the petitioner attorney Joshua leam a special permit pursuant to Mass General law 48 section B under section 9 under bylaw section 7.2 to tear down an existing legal non-conforming two family structure and reconstruct a new two family structure on the property located at 264 a Street in Reading in accordance with plot plan of land dated January 3rd 2024 with the revisions through July 24 2024 prepared and certified by Haze engineering 603 Salem Street in Whitefield and the architectural drawings that were included with the application the standard conditions for special permit do apply and I'll read them for the benefit of everybody the petitioner shall submit to the building inspector a certified plot plan of the proposed construction and proposed Foundation plans prior to the issuance of a foundation permit for the work the petitioner's final construction plans for the new structure shall be submitted to the building inspector along with the as buil Foundation plans prior to the issuance of a building permit and the as buil plan showing the completed construction shall be submitted to the building inspector immediately after the work is completed and prior to the issuance of an occupancy permit and I just want to add a condition no driveways are approved here and driveways are subject to review and approval of the engineer division make that a condition yes right that's [Music] fine I'll second that all those in favor unanimous thank you very much for your time tonight you appreciate than Youk you okay let's see here let's see good night thank you next on our agenda I would like to calling is working tonight yeah thank you uh next our agenda is 9:43 Main Street the zoning board of appeals will hold a public Hearing in the select board's meeting room at Town Hall 16 W Street Reading Massachusetts on Tuesday August 6 2024 at 7 p.m. on the application of Daniel Huntington pursuant to mglc 40a section 9 for special permit under the reading zoning bylaws sections 5.32 7.0 and 7.2 as may be determined by the zoning board to allow a change of pre-existing non-conforming commercial use on the property located at 943 Main Street in ring yes unless there is an objection I will dispense with the reading of the abuts list except to say that the abuts were notified as were the following select board town clerk Police Department fire department building department Conservation Commission Health Department C's office engineering division cbdc members of the associate members of the board of appeals as well as the planning boards of Wakefield lynfield North Reading ston and wber and Wilmington we already saw everyone in so if Mr Daniel Huntington would like to present sure do you want me to come up to the podium yes please case number 24-10 and just very quickly actually before we get started I do need to just Mick folks way that Mr hun and I do know each other outside of the these particular circumstances however under no circumstances that was he aware that I was probably even on this board or have we had any discussions whatsoever about uh about Mr hunting's application for this matter you would to recus yourself from voting no I don't believe it's necessary okay you don't believe it's necessary then we'll believe you okay right so I'm Dan Huntington I own 941 and 943 Main Street and reading I purchased it a few months ago with my father who's sitting here um right now I do believe we have a special permit for a aut body/ mechanic um that I would like to change in order to accommodate um a different tenant in there and I have uh Tai here today Ty KAS and the owner of Eastern Pine Pest Control who is uh wants to utilize that property for his his business so I would like to apply for a special permit that I do believe would be less detrimental to the surrounding area um I kind of want to get away from the mechanic oils things like that the property was recently um deemed clean and cost a lot of money for the previous owner to remediate all the soil and all that stuff so um I would like to just hand over the podium if that's okay to Ty to talk about what he's looking to do with the property and um then we can feel some questions after that sure and if you have a current picture I looked it up online but I think kind of the property yeah I didn't bring one I'm sorry sure oh don't I sorry I should have been in the files my first zard here so the property currently is mixed use and it is on the same lot as a single family dwelling with a separate address um at some point or it they created two addresses 941 and 943 but they are both on the same lot of land um and then there's it's like a roughly 1300 ft garage with two bays um that was as far back as I can remember and you know going dating back to the 60s and 50s as a mechanic um was in there so I'll let Ty talk a little bit about what he does and what he's going to do with the property already I'm ty nice to meet you all uh so yeah I own a general uh pest control company basically we do was control ant control radent control at 943 Main Street um we're looking to do a similar thing to what we're doing in North ring right now which is uh we've been there for the past six years and um similar residential setting uh we've had no complaints during that time um we service many of the local homeowners there uh we're on the road for like 90% of the day so we're mostly just using the office just to sore uh ladders uh grab lunch grab a sandwich uh grab water and hit the road again so at the actual office we don't really do a whole lot versus uh just going there quickly grabing something and hitting the road so if you guys have any questions please let me know just very quickly the the residence that's attached to the property as well is that ultimately what's what's going to become the office if you said no no no so totally separate entity okay so then it was just the two garage Bays that'll end up being the office correct yep so what would you be storing in there uh so mostly like uh office stuff every so often I go there to use a laptop um we have some extra ladders that we're going to have there um we'll have a small storage uh unit for product um that's pretty much it food things like that really not pull off what happens with all the uh the rodents and or whatever you catch do you bring anything back there or got it so um we do mostly trapping so basically it's like small snap traps for mice so we do put that in trash bags we'll be putting that in a you know stored uh unit for uh trash barrels and just dispose of that um as needed what lodger ones um we really don't catch a whole lot of larger ones um we don't do a ton of rat control but if if we were doing that we'd be doing the same thing we don't do like wildlife control so get stored there yeah so there's no no uh raccoons or or anything like that just small rooms just reading through the application it does say that you guys do end up storing leaders of uh liters or gallons of the insecticides and pesticides that you may end up having to use um in terms of just oversight and some of the concerns do you have did you have to obtain a permit from the town as well in order to store any of those particular insecticides or pesticides that you use that's a good question I I don't believe so not as far as I know we'll be having them in a stored locked box most of the products we have in our trucks um we come back to grab the product maybe once a week small quart size bottles um but I don't believe we need a special permit for that have you needed any permits in any of the other locations I believe you said you were North Reading starting now or up to this point yes we didn't need any special per for you keeping both locations I'm not we're going to fully move here this a smaller garage and North rading so looking to upsize a little bit you're operating on North rading now right we are Y what do you do with your trash now uh should we just dispose of it on a trash day weekly basis okay may ever thought about just taking the trash you collect from day to day and taking it to the ready disposal um I could consider that so in terms of like any uh products we we we use uh the it's like once a year this hazardous waste day if we do have like bottles or anything like that we'd be using the town hazardous waste day so anything in the trash is really mostly uh food uh just kind of common everyday items the thing I concerns me about trash is that I don't think you like to see you putting stuff in trash and that's going to have an odor or whatever okay I'm sorry can you say that again an order anything that in TR that's in trash that's going to smell or anything like that okay I reluctant to allow that to occur understood y um couple other comments this is an interesting one really because it goes way way way back I did ask the town to look up some of the previous if there was any decisions by the zoning board and historically there were three decisions on this property first one goes back to n December 19 50 and at that time uh they wanted to extend that cement structure and I believe it was denied and then back in 69 they wanted to apparently replace a wooden shed in the back of that thing up there with a with a cement one and that was approved then the last one was in in April of [Music] 2002 and that one was to replace the shed with with a new one that was denied but a couple of comments that I took out of that 2002 decision was that it recognized that there were three things on that property the garage the house and the shed and the other thing is that the they acknowledg that the garage use was for an auto repair uh yeah but I don't know to this day when Auto Repair started on that property but I got to believe it might go back as far as before I was born might go back to the 20s for all I know okay but it certainly goes way back I think before the bylaws came into effect which we heard in the last case was 1942 so it's definitely been an approved nonconforming use for a long long time um so uh if that were to start if you were to start all today and that thing was never there and you wanted to put something there it would totally be denied then you would not be this board would not Grant it but it is Grandfather I recognize that so that does affect a decision got can I just clarify something um on your application you're you're applying for a special permit you wrote I am requesting a zoning change I I think that's probably a a misunderstanding of the semantics of it or whatever you're not really requesting a zoning change right so I actually is it from my application or was it I'm not sure who wrote this but that's the application in regards to his business he wrote the okay like the summary so the the summary was made but the application I need right for the zoning I believe yeah yeah I don't I'm the zoning of the area would not change you're just asking to do something there I would like to just change the use of the right okay and there would be no construction going on nothing like that no not um building anything further out or anything like that we just want to change the spe the uh special permit use okay I have a question maybe for both the board and so is he giving up uh his right to do um auto repairs and if he were to do in the future he'd have to come back and get they' have to another special permit for the to go back to I thought it was kind of inconvenient have that type of business amongst the residentials yeah and I honestly don't I know that there have been um complaints from Neighbors in the 80s um I did some research on the property because you know there used to be a spray booth there and they had a permit to spray cars but you know that all is like has fumes and everything like that so all the spray booth and the fans have all been uh removed prior to my purchase of the property so right now it's just basically a 1300 ft rectangle with two garage Bays that I would like to just use or get a permit so that way you know someone like like him and his business could you know come in you know Park some of his vehicles that say his name get his name out there it's in a great location um and um that way you know he can run his business out of there and I don't need the extra garage space for anything personal so um that's what we're just kind of looking to do do you have any idea when Auto Repair ceased on that property um I don't I mean I would say like a year maybe a year maybe I've been living up in that Nick of the woods since 2004 and there's been no such thing p that property to my knowledge um the previous owner did have like all all of his stuff in there he passed away so the wife um ended up having to sell it but he had all his mechanic stuff in there and when was that and um prior to the sale of the property so I would have to ask um the previous owner when she removed it I don't know when I bought it it was clean made him stuff stored in there but I just don't remember seeing any I think he was doing more actual work being done there I don't remember when I I seen it a couple years ago I may if I may he owned two shops and this was his auxiliary shop and kind of his toy shop he had oh he had some very exotic expensive cars okay what's your name he would Philip Huntington okay he swen I'm sorry I'm uh also I'm Dan's father and I'm an and I spoke at length with his wife and he he was using that and for an overflow shop uh and uh and to and he would saw his uh he had some very very nice cars he passed away about a year and a half ago so up until that point he was kind of in and out and he was also making the shop very very nice to keep his cars in he cleaned out all of the Bodywork dust and everything else but he was bringing cars over that were finished that were overflow okay as far as painting or anything there he stopped paintting I don't know when he took the spray booth out but he stopped spraying over there because the booth that he had in there was not a what we would call European Booth his de Booth he had did not scrub the air leaving it basically filtered the air coming in so uh it created a problem with the neighborhood so do you know when the bodyw work started there when you uh 20 years ago 25 years ago he was uh he started that was his main shop when he first started they they live in they live in North ring he lived in North R because that would say that it started after the bylaws were in place body work there might have been other mechanics it yeah they differentiate between an auto body shop and an auto mechanic so it maybe circumstances it's still business rather than residence is it not it would still be business rather than residence but the auto mechanic may go back Beyond uh the beginning of the around 1938 it was 1938 notorized by the board it was repair repair and gas station yeah it was there was there was two underground storage gas tanks that that's business that's the business S I would think that especially since they've been here since then including in 2002 that issue would have come up if it had been an issue yeah I just I'm surprised that was never approved by the zoning board yeah but like you said it could have been predated back to zoning I mean we could be missing a file I mean the way myself and town staff look at it it's been you know it's been auto mechanic use Grand before before he was in there his ten was about 20 years but he was renting originally from another person and he moved in there it was an auto auto body shop he took over an auto body shop 20 years ago and with before that I don't know other than that there was a friend of his that sold him the property eight years ago or 10 years ago uh but had owned it and rented him the property as an or field shop can can I ask a question how many trucks at any given time would be there like if all of your guys are coming in for lunch at the same time how many trucks and how big are they got it so every size pickup trucks we have one uh small commercial van I'd say on average on any given time we usually don't have more than two um if it was maxed out and we did have everybody there we would have four vehicles there how about overnight uh so overnight right now so we have myself I bring a vehicle home it's just one vehicle that we have overnight at the moment and then during the winter it'll be two vehicles which we should be able to store both in the uh garage so there's actually mentions in the 1950 uh uh zba uh announcement of a an auto repair shop being present at that point in time which would have been a non-conforming use then too so I think we're it was recognized as a nonconforming use question was my question was was it ever approved ilal and they just recognized that existed at that time and and we we'll never find that record I guess in the town hall so we're asking a question we don't have the answer to any further questions from the board let's officially open it for public [Music] comment so we'll have them step up to the podium and you guys can sit down for a second we'll have you go first uh hi my name is Michael Sandberg I live at 935 Main Street I'm going to butter to the property which is we're talk about 941 and 943 I'm 935 right next door to the property just just House of of the property on Main Street and I really only had uh three questions that I really that I wanted to ask the applicants not really the board the applicants to find out more about uh you know what would be going on so if I could just just read them uh I noticed for example that um there's no signage of East Pine at lynfield Essex or the North Reading address not none of the addresses if chemicals are stored at any of these addresses should an appropriate signage be present to alert firefighters in case of fire so that was the first question I had that there's no signage at all so I was really I was really shocked I know two of the addresses are residences the ones at Essex and lynfield and the uh there's a garage in North Reading uh but even that doesn't have any sign on it whatsoever regard e Pine so I been curious as to why yeah absolutely so we actually only have locations right now in North Reading and a small uh like co-owners in ess6 we used to operate out of Linfield it's uh originally it's my parents own uh so right now uh you know we we're not going to put signage on a home uh in North Reading we don't have any signage there but at 943 Main Street we do plan to put signage in so let me ask why wouldn't there already be signage in North R yeah that's a I mean you're thinking reading in a sense as a as an elaboration of what you have at North read so it's not clear to me why you don't have specification in North R yeah that's a great question and nice to meet you by the way um so uh in North ring we have um our landlord there he has a garage behind our building and he has a big Retro's garage sign it's like four feet in diameter um so that's his signage there I'd asked him if we could put our signage there but um he was pretty it's like a historic sign so he wanted to keep that there so that was actually one of the reasons I'm I'm wanting to move to reading is because I would like to get our name out there I would like to have our signage but that's been something we haven't been able to do so far so that was my first question uh my second question is the uh North Reading garage has multiple buildings for for storage why add a reading address only three miles away I think he's going to I believe this is a replacement rather than relevant it's not a gerain question well no it's it's the question I would imagine is uh I believe he probably answered it as part of the uh as part of the initial presentation they are not necessarily adding a separate building they are replacing the North Reading business with a reading business I see I didn't read anywhere that the North Reading was going to become defunct but so that's that's the issue you're going to drop the North Reading property uh what can I ask why why make the rout from North R to part of it was a signage um but the other part is just a bigger location um but actually North Reading has multiple large buildings I actually visited the site the other day much larger than what's available in reading so so you mean like a a different building in North Reading not act at the same address if right behind the garage there are a number of other large buildings that could potentially be used for storage much greater many times greater than what would be available he doesn't own that property so he can't just I'm just asking if I may question R is if I may answer that question our rent is very conducive and that's why he was so financially believe me our rent is very conducive and and it's it's being used there is no other uh building that we can use back there my uh landlord the Richardson's garage sign that I was referencing so he uses that uh there one like building behind there and he uses that for his uh business trucking business yeah actually it all looked pretty quiet when I visited the other day uh okay the last question I had um is easn pin's published hours of operation are 8:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. weekdays and 10:00 a.m. to 4: PP p.m. weekends these are inconsistent with the shorter 9:00 a.m. to 5 p.m. weekday only hours requested for the reading address how will the applicant reconcile these differences let the applics yeah it's a good question so I I wasn't actually aware of the 9 to5 so we will be open 8 to6 but if that's an issue we could just use the building it was actually put 9 to five wait it was put in the application 9 to 9:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. and not including weekends but yet you're open 8:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. weekdays and something like a good8 hours on each of the weekend days as well least that's how you published it how you've been so what are you actually planning to do in Reading got it so I I didn't make the application so I'm not 100% on that but um if that were to be an issue I could just use it from 8 to 5 I would love to be able to get in there you know whenever we can uh I guess can I ask that where did you see that that was published the hours online no no like on the application it is in the application you see it on the application it it speaks about 900 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. and doesn't mention weekends at all I mean I I I fill out an application can read it to you last paragraph of the first page okay yes it is got it so yeah I did put that in there um if if that were to be an issue I certainly could do that I could tell you it's in a butter and you know in terms of work being done and activities I would naturally prefer not to have weekend activities in fact that's I think how it's been uh for the auto body shop I think the auto body shop has only been operating on on weekdays and I can tell you as as a as the nextdoor neighbor they've been entirely quiet I never heard from them at all anything went on the only time I ever had any occasion to visit them is when I had to drop off some mail that was inadvertently sent given to my address instead of theirs uh so that would be my preference if if they were to open and reading to stick to the hours at they actually put in the application anyway that's that's all I had to say okay respond if you want thanks if you wouldn't mind standing just so we can pick you up absolutely um so I I can definitely clear up the the weekend issu we don't use the shop in the weekend at all um we don't we don't work on the weekends but we do take phone calls on the weekend uh so I I mostly work for my house so the technicians go there I go there maybe a couple times a day to check in on things and whatnot uh but during the weekend we don't do any uh any field work or anything like that so I might pop by on the weekend on like a Saturday if we have like a Amazon package or something like that grab it bring it in the shop um I would I definitely made a mistake here I think I was just thinking like N9 to5 like I did not mean to do that uh so I apologize for that but um I can certainly tell you we're we're a very quiet operation like we going into the morning around around 88: to 9: sometime between that time frame uh we grab our stuff we go we're out for really 95% of the day the guys come back for lunch sometimes they'll come back at the end of the day uh sometimes they don't uh because they bring the trucks back to their home uh but we could start there at 8 that would be that would be very useful for us but I think in terms of what you're uh used to I think it'll be it sounds like very similar to how we operate and you don't anticipate any chemicals being stoed it on site we will be storing products on site um the products that we use are typically lower in toxicity than what you'll find like under a sink or in a home garage or uh when you go to like the pharmacy there's different uh classifications of insecticides um the insecticides that we use are either organic or classification one insecticide um which basically means there a caution warning on there and if you go to like Walmart or Walgreens you'll find the shelves are stacked with uh warning and uh danger labels which you'll find probably under your sink or in your garage in your shed as well so the products that we that we use are really low in toxicity you know comparative to to what else is out there well and I guess lastly you'll feel you feel that you'll have adequate signage so that if should an occasion require for firefighters to come they'll know what they're dealing with absolutely yeah the board can make that a condition as well if we decide to approve it um I think there's several things we might want to condition right I'll address those we let's hear from anyone else that would like to speak um I have difficulty standing this is the mic so just talk that way um my name is Margaret Cowell I live on Main Street uh I have address I'm sorry 958 um so I'm kind of across the street so to speak um I have some huge concerns here one with the chemicals used I've had someone come in to deal with mice and so forth in my own property to recognize the number of different and varied in um chemicals that can be used and the toxicity and there are some where if they put out containers or whatever else any other small animals Etc can access those chemicals and and um potentially die and be very sick from them and we've had comments about those when they put in a building recently and and they Disturbed a lot of rats and people came with these type of containers um so right away your product is toxic and it's not just a concern if it catches fire it's a concern because it's out there and it's in the area you're also catching and bringing back um animals in a trash situation and you're just going to put them in the local neighborhood trash when it's picked up which is a weekly thing which means that potentially um on a Friday somebody can start and you can have a week's worth of dead animals in trash bags um yeah I'm sorry that's just unacceptable from a neighborhood standpoint we abot across Main Street are wetlands so we have all kinds of small animals already and many different types um protecting them and making sure that raccoons aren't eating mice out of a trash bag and then carrying it in ETC has to be a concern and so I mean just the idea that somebody would have dead animals and bring them to our neighborhood for a week and think that well what if the trash doesn't get picked up on time or what if you know there's just too many variables there this is a neighborhood with children and dogs and pets Etc and I think this is introducing something that really needs to be looked at um I'm not convinced that you do that or have to do that in your present location because you don't have uh it sounds like anyway you don't have a lot of families and dogs and people in that area so I mean there is that can I ask how many people are um in your business yeah yeah it's it's myself and four technicians so there's five people and how many vehicles um so we have five vehicles um I have one at my home they have four vehicles as well so at any given point in time based on a decision I mean if you get um an okay to come here you could put your five vehicles there and all five of those Vehicles will have product in it and now it looks to me as if there's a container beside the garage it's gray is that the shed mine that's mine oh so is that going or is that no that's mine that's my personal storage so it wouldn't be in there no he's going to have like a locked cabinet everything's going to be inside there is no storage of chemicals outside of the building and anything that would be that he's using would be in his Vehicles so nobody would be able to get access them and he's already talked about how the toxicity of the chemicals that are used he's mostly organic and like so and he doesn't trap large animals it would be like a mice a mouse and I've killed seven mice in my house in the last month and I put that's neither here nor there I mean I I think I have to consider there is a there could be a um we could get a dumpster there's a lot of ways to you know there are exterminators in every town so where do they put there you know what I mean like there has to be it's not in a yard and it's point going to ask you to address the board specifically okay um so we can ask we can ask you to please finish your comment and then Mr hun you'll have an opportunity to respond this sorry from my history and of living where I have since the late 80s there were different tenants in there in other words um at one point the owner of the garage was also living in the house then that changed a little bit and then it went empty for a while then somebody got it um and that was when the painting booths and so forth and that was when the town clamped down and said nope they had to go because they were starting to use those that tenant or whoever was doing it moved out and it was empty for quite a while until the person that recently passed away I believe moved in or brought he didn't move into the house the house has been empty but he brought his thing there and people could bring there'd be two or three cars parked out front and then there'd be worked on but there was no noise there was no odors there was nothing I mean it was a very quiet operation um I still I'm not convinced I guess um I I hesitate to do something because we can't undo it okay if all of a sudden there's a problem with his trash or or there's another tenant that's irresponsible then we're dealing with it and it's really hard to undo it this is a neighborhood this was an attached thing this was like a secondary thing I don't want to keep a person from doing business or renting a property but why would we invite in something that has so many variables that are in the negative for the dogs and the children and the people in the community sorry but I'm just saying there have to be other places thanks if I may I may and I going ask Ty question sir I'm going ask you to come up to the Podi pleas is Tai licensed is he dealing with control sub substances that he's licensed to handle and and he he is inspected this is a licensed uh operation this isn't somebody that uh is just working out of his backyard or his garage and going around shooting chemicals he is licensed to do what he's doing and knows how to handle the product safely and this isn't this whole thing about all the animals that are going to come there the Deluge of animals I would imagine usually if he catches the mouse on someone's property it goes right into their garbage pill he doesn't have to bring it back to a shop uh I know where that that's where they go when I catch him in my house uh so uh I I don't see real impact here I where where I see an impact is if Ty does not come in this will be because this is an investment for me and my son and my son is a we would prefer this to be something like this but this will be a repair shop and and then we don't want it to be a repair shop we don't want to have cars there we don't want 10 cars on the property if there is a repair shop you will have 10 cars on the property parked overnight because they have the right to do that at this point we have that right we are trying to reduce the impact on a neighborhood and the good neighbors so that's all I got to say is someone living in the house yes what one of you or or no no this is rental problem this is uh uh I live out of state uh my son lives in reading this is a venture father son Venture and uh we we are not planning on selling the property we uh are planning on owning the property for a long time uh and keeping it nice and and being good neighbors at this point if you go past the property and look at it there's a great Improvement in the visual on the property property's been cleaned up we've had tree services in we've done we planted flowers we we Dan is a resident he lives is a quarter mile away Drives By it his children go to the schools he drives by it every day and uh it's he would like it to look nice all the time and we want to be good neighbors and we feel we've had a lot of applicants to rent it to we felt was the best fit minimal impact minimal uh cause coming in and out he's not retail and he's not selling he's not selling product he's just using it as basically his office and a and a rally point for his men because they all work in the field they don't work in the shop which in my mind you cannot find a better tenant or a better business because you don't have the traffic and and you don't have the mess outside uh we're if it was if it went back to its original usage which we don't want because this property was a major expense for the remediation the property is totally clean it had three underground storage tanks it had uh contamination in the earth and it was deemed in February totally clean we want to keep it clean and that's what I have to say thank you just ch one more question are there any deed restrictions on the property is there any what are there any deed restrictions on the property itself there was no restrictions mrus could you address the um dead mice issue again um I I just I can imagine and I don't know if this is how you operate or not but I can imagine that if over the course of a week your four different trucks have been collecting dead mice in various places you might have 20 30 dead mice that you're putting in a garbage can and putting in your garbage and do I have that potentially right or and how do you control that yes it it is different on a weekly basis like this time of year we aren't really dealing with the ton of mice it's more so like in the fall in the winter that we deal with that type of thing well either way whatever but yeah in in the fall and the winter it can be different every week but that that may be an accurate number um but in terms of like in in the area that we are in now uh it is a residential area it's very very similar to 943 Main Street we've had zero issues within that time um with the trash situation we've never had a problem with that we've never had a smell or we've never had animals going after it it's a use very secure uh uh barrels which is something we always promote to our uh clientele as well because we do have some of that issue at client homes if they you know get raccoons going after the trash barrels or whatnot and we'll tell them uh what barrels to use and I apologize I forget any of the uh points that you brought up but I think one of them was the impact on uh the local Wildlife so we won't be using any products at at 943 Main Street we're already operating in Reading North Reading Winfield that's like our main area so the the service that we provide isn't going to change or like the products that we use um we're very environmentally conscious uh companies so those things are really important to us as well um but yeah in terms of what we're actually doing at the garage itself there's really no harm to like local Wildlife or really anything else for that matter and since the six years that we've been in North ring um we've had zero issues there with with any of those things that you mentioned um and I know you mentioned that previously there Auto Body Shop seem like they're very uh pretty lowkey but that was what was there before you know we don't know what's going to be there in the future so we know we're a quiet operation but if there is an auto body shop that goes there it might not be a quiet operation it might be you know you you don't know what they're going to do but we we know we're Qui operations I hope that gives you some some peace of mind let me just make sure I get this straight so the Hazardous Materials get used offsite at the customer's house rodents get collected that's get that is what gets thrown away not the hazardous material that gets thrown out on a specific dat and then you store that in a locked something in yep yep so like any any bottles or anything like that we we store away and then either there's hazardous waste companies can collect that or every town pretty much has a hazardous waste day where you can bring those uh bottles to uh so we take advantage of that and once the mice or rodents are deceased that doesn't attract other mice that yeah we we've never we've never had issues with that um it's just the raw product right it's just in like snap traps so it's just like a it's kind of gruesome but um that's kind of the most humane way to do that so yeah they're just in snap traps they don't attract other animals or anything like like that and the barrels that we use even if it did attract animals they they can't you know penetrate uh through those barrels they're industrial thick or yep just as a point of clarification you're retaining your business in North ring as well as just moving to reading moving the whole thing to reading so you're moving out of North rading yep when you were in North rading what kind of zoning District were you in do or residence it's um light industrial I think is what it's called I could be wrong that's a big difference that that was industrial this is a residential area it's a big difference it it is in it's within a residential therefore these things become bigger to think about okay that's all I'm saying so I have a problem I totally agree with this lady I have I have I do have a problem with that and the question is how do we deal with it um so anyway can I add one other thing or yeah can I not allowed to can see one no you can anything you got to say we're here to see we're here to hear it just briefly we haven't CL uh I've visited the north rading site take taking pictures and of course I know what's what's right around the corner the North Reading site is a little uh is somewhat less residential than the reading site it's the garage that's located there is really further field from any neighboring properties uh so it is more isolated so I'd be I would have been surprised if there was a lot of neighbor interaction with what was going on there that's all I to say is there any more public comment we got one more Kathleen Murphy you have to swear me in or whatever you do oh uh do you swear the testimony before this board is going to be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth I do so you go y um I live at 946 Main Street across the street from this office and I second what Margaret said and this gentleman's concerns I don't think poisons have any place in a neighborhood I think they get into the environment whether you want them to or not and I just think what why put this kind of a thing where we live I mean what's more important neighborhood or you know this company that could go somewhere else we're not going anywhere else are you concerned with the chemicals being in the trash or just both in the building and in the trash and wherever else they might be I mean something could leak and I just think it's a bad idea I I I'd rather see a ballet school or something like that I'm serious I'm serious I wouldn't find that objectionable and I don't think it would have a negative impact on the neighborhood I think you the prior business had a negative impact it polluted the soil and everything well his TRS would pollute the air I called the police once about an old car that was outside of the um body shop and that was apparently he had trouble starting some of these old cars so we would put them out and let them run and this was spewing exhaust fumes all over the place and I called the police and they took care of it and it never happened again so I I didn't really have a problem with the uh the body shop and I also don't like the idea of a business running on weekends in a neighborhood give us a break we have exhaust from Route 28 we all live on Route 28 and uh another consideration would be adding the exhaust from five more trucks to that exhaust I mean we're dying slowly so you're trying to speed it up you know I just think it's a bad idea I think you ought to think twice about the people who live there and and less about somebody wants to make money want to comment thank you thank you Mr chairman Tony dzo 130 John Street I apologize for my lateness but I was wondering if the applicant has shown any evidence that the uh non-conforming use has been in use for the last 24 months it's been used as an auto body shop as far as we can tell since it's been established yes but has the auto body shop actually been open and operating for the last two years according to his testimony there was an auto body repair we we'll let the applicants be the only reason I asked this is because under Section 7.9 a non-conforming use that has been abandoned or not used for more than two years will no longer be considered a non-conforming use or grandfathered and must revert back to the underlying zoning thank [Music] you what's the answer to that question the town has been under the impression that it's the use was has been within two years within three within two to two years well comment was within two years within the last two years T had two years okay so we have the building Department's comment that it's been considered active we F the maybe hundreds of calls on this property and our response has always been the only use that could be there by right would be an auto body or auto repair shop so that's I mean probably 100 phone on this property in the past 6 months you know potential buyers and the town stance has been that they could buy right continue the use of an auto body or AA any other use would need a special permit so that's that's I guess the town stance on it not not just mine but you know with some other staff that that has been our this property's been there's been a lot of inquiries about it it's been brought up a lot there's been you know a lot of different companies and that's all has been on stand since the first phone call a very quick public comment on this question if you still wanted to and then the only thing I can add regarding its recent use is that it's been pretty quiet over the last couple years I think I have seen a gentleman in the shop when I delivered mail to him but whether they were really actively working on cars there's no way that that I could say okay and there haven't been many cars outside okay at all let's close public comment and and um it's open enough for discussion for the board um you're you're going to sit on this one well if it's going to go back to what it was before and that already proed that it polluted the land it ex exhausted um all kinds of chemicals out into the air I wouldn't want I live near the neighborhood but I wouldn't want to live AB budding that property and um I believe this business if it goes in a couple of Minor Adjustments with the uh trash um I really don't see uh being detrimental to the N neighborhood especially what the garage is all contained and everything I'd rather see this than a garage or a mechanic I don't know how the mechanic shop I used to drive by I drive by there cuz the kids go to school there so I would see cars out there within a year a year ago two years ago less than that um it kind of looks weird having an auto body shop in the middle of the neighborhood you know I'm with you on the the auto body shop I you think it doesn't really fit in canel it it's a good thing I think this would be a little less detrimental I know we have had some concerns with the neighborhood I think some of those concerns have been addressed if we condition if there were to be an approval here we would most certainly have to be conditioned on signage warning signs um you know industrial trash use uh that's um thoroughly concealed I would limit the garages to be being used uh for two cars overnight um you know during the day is different um we could consider limiting the Saturday use if I did hear some concern Saturday he already said they don't do it oh he said he works from the home the weekend they just take calls oh okay that those are my thoughts I mean ultimately the standard here is we may Grant the uh the petition for special permit if the proposed use it is not substantially uh detri more detrimental than the existing use if you look at any auto body shop particularly and the chemicals that they leech into various Lee Fields and a lot of the surrounding kind of issues that come up with any audio body auto body shop it is substantially it is a very very bad uh circumstance it's also a former uh because it have the gas tanks it's also a former gas station which generally will create limitations based upon how that property can be used used as well it generally I know that uh I had circumstances with another uh former gas station that ended up not being able to be used for residential property for at least 107 years so there are limitations to what the property can be used for and I honestly based upon the uh the information that the applicants brought forward I believe that the proposed use is not substantially more detrimental than the existing non-conforming use so I'd be I'd be in favor of granting the special permit with have certain I'm in agreement with that I I don't I don't know so much about the conditions particularly the parking I mean as far as I'm aware in that district there aren't any restrictions on anybody owning proper you know that that say you can only Park so many vehicles in your driveway so I don't know if if it's a appropriate to limit that but I mean I'll I will um you know take take the applicant or actually the the proposed tenant at his word about the way the business operates um I do think that there is a potential concern um and we would want to put on some conditions to make sure that there aren't carcasses of animals sitting in the garbage for you know six days um that that isn't secured but that's my primary concern that the chemicals again I take him at his word that they're not um any harsher than than what probably I have in my garage right now um so or you see on the shelves of Walmart so um and they're being disposed of that the yeah and they're being disposed of properly when they do have an empty bottle or something like that um so yeah I'm I'm inclined to agree that it it is not substantially more detrimental than the special use that the property has had for as far as anybody knows many many many years um since at least 1919 if you look at some of the uh decisions right and if the um this would change the permitted use to this Pest Control business nothing more nothing less um if there were any further change um requested after that it would have to come back to us and at that point the standard would be that it would not it could not be stantially more detrimental than the pest control business so the way I hear these businesses described and I think your standard is actually going up um and the next time around it would be even higher um so I'm inclined to permit it with perhaps with some of the conditions that we've been discussing I don't think anyone disagrees with the fact that this is a better situation than was there I mean you can't argue with that one okay I'll get back to this two-year thing though two uh is it the does the town feel that there has been activity at that outo repair shop within the last two years yes I mean I only been here three years and I can remember signage cars I mean I can't tell you what they were doing in there but I mean there's been the sign has been there there's been cars on the property you know we believe there's been activity I mean I guess okay how do you um so I would also need to be proven to be abandoned too there's been no exactly no direct evidence that the property's been that the uh the use has been abandoned all right CU that's a good point he made a good point okay yeah if the facts fit yes but I have several thoughts relative to potential conditions um I think and I'll just throw them out on the table for discussion okay one is that we we condition this thing on that that that what only what will only happen there is Storage of pest supplies Pest Services and supplies okay nothing else uh with regard to signage you're whatever you plan on doing for signage you're going to have to come back to him for approval of that because the signage bylaws are pretty stringent M so you're going to have to get approval for whatever sign you want to do you just can't put a sign up okay oh I know that are you there is a sign on the building now so I would assume that just need his approval yeah approval I sign that's hours of use I think you said in here 9 to5 Monday through Friday that's what you said I I don't I I'm not going to I'm not going to limit him to the mistake he made appli no I understand that but I'm saying I I I would like to suggest that we do put in a limitation on the on the hours people you call it 8 to 5 Monday to Friday you call it 8 to5 can I speak for a second yes uh is it okay what what since I finish his points first and then uh I'm not opposed to Saturday but I don't like it but I'm not opposed to it um story parking I would suggest we maybe condition on liing against two two vehicles Max one in front of each door that's a thought thought to talk about okay you mean do you mean overnight or at a time period I would say uh I wouldn't have any problem what overnight but it has to be only during work during whatever we we agree on are the operating hours the other thing is the trash issue I live in that neck of the woods okay I have trash in my garage where I might find a road in my backyard and throw them in the trash throw them in the backyard but if I put something like that in my trash bucket in my garage I better not leave the doors open because it could happen all right and if I put him in my trash out in the front yard for the pickup I've seen my trash opened up and all over the place so it's it's a concern and and I think one thing I might suggest to you folks is that if you're picking up trash during the course of doing your day's work keep it in the truck and come trash day put it out and pick up okay rather than store it in this building that's an alternative we're you did to think about okay it would get pretty stinky in the truck I would think get worse if you're think it would get pretty sticky in the trunk that's not my concern it's not their concern okay there's it's going to get sticky no matter where you put it there's conditions and there's I'd rather have it there than in that garage if they were a sealed bag I think that's the condition there should be sealed bags in in the container that uh he's talking about container than a bag a bag can be opened up pretty easily he's already said that the containers that he uses are industrial and have he's never had a problem with it where he is so are we still taking any public com at this point I don't believe it's you can speak on this one if you if you want yeah I just had a question are we limit is there other instances in town where we limit a business's hours based on where the location of their business businesses so can we really be able to say that you can't H your building on Saturday when thinks not that I can recall way back I think we did that with some of the car wash plac I I deal with construction I that's about that's about it car was watch that would be based on noise and like the McDonald's we had the concern about noise but for the McDonald's um but that was also at 9:00 10:00 at night right but yeah that that was inherently we were talking about 10 p.m but we we never talked about limiting their hours I don't think it was just the drive-thru yeah yeah I just build up com discussion very quickly a response on this discussion so I currently live on Grant Street which a uh a l Street and I've been living in Reading since 2011 and and as you guys all probably aware the pns convenience store that used to be there is in the S15 District as well and now it is a uh con place of construction Tango construction and that has similar size parking lot and he has anywhere from 7 to 10 cars in that parking lot Monday through Sunday and overnight he uses the dumpster for construction debris everything else and he operates on Saturdays and Sundays I drive past it all the time I just wanted to throw that in there very quick just yes I'm sorry I um I was wondering if the town has certain standards because we're not talking people who are responsible ma' could you identify yourself again just for the record I'm sorry Margaret Cowell thank you um I'm not talking about that and I wasn't addressing it from that standpoint I said once there if there was a problem it would be a problem for the landlord as well I mean as as far as a business but are there certain Town parameters where all of a sudden if he decided to park three broken down cars out front or whatever else there's certain rules and regulations that would be applied by the landlord even but um and as far as trash is concerned um and the chemicals does the fire department or the town are there any supervisory boards that that say here's what you can do and here's what you can't so that we'd have some kind of an application process because like I said I don't want to stop a business from anything like that but I I am trying to understand how it's hard to be in a situation where somebody is irresponsible and now you've got nowhere to go because everybody is passing the buck as to what happened so you can't you know dictate for every opportunity and and possibility but quick response on that actually just very quick question if I can ask you to to approach again the podium and I'm sorry if you could say your name again I'm sorry my name is Ty uh Ty Mr uh Mr Huntington said that you are required to have a license to operate this business correct what is the what type of uh train training what type of certification what type of oversight is there from any sort of licensing board for the operation of your business yes every technician and my self is required to have a pesticide applicator license um so that's a test you take to you know show you're knowledgeable in this space um that's really the main test that uh license that everybody needs and everybody in our company does have that and that is a state board or is that done by individual towns themselves or um so that's the Department of Agriculture so they monitor everything we do pretty much um we give like a insecticide use report every year year um a few other things you need to maintain your license um on a basis you need to get uh cus every 3 years so you basically need to take courses to show you're continuing to study in the space and staying knowledgeable on the new standards um so that's kind of the ongoing uh studying that you need to do and the standards that are generally brought up are usually for environmental impact things along those lines as well do they address the environmental impact of the actual insecticides themselves or pesticides I apologize yeah yeah absolutely so that's really the biggest thing is environmental safety um things have changed in Pest Control quite a bit over the past 10 years or so so integrated Pest Management is um kind of the new standard so it's basically before you even use an insecti side we we do this very much um before you even use an insecticide you want to take a look at the problem at hand and see if it even needs uh our use at all it might need you might need to trim a bush back you might need to clean and drain you might need to unclog gutters you might need to do uh mechanical change to the building you know seal up the foundation so that's the first step Second Step would be uh organic uh insecticide use and then the third step is if needed you would use a synthetic insecticide and are there any sort of limitations or uh requirements as part of the license for disposal of the of the insecticides pesticides of any of your any of the uh the animals that you end up trapping things along those lines what type of limitations and what type of requirements are placed on the business as a result of the license yeah absolutely and I think it's important to note we're we're a general uh insecticide or pest control company so we're really doing the very basic stuff we don't do Termite Control we don't do uh mosquito control so um the the equipment that we have on hand is really pretty minimal use like we're treating the exterior of uh foundations very lightly treating areas that you know uh people wouldn't use usually come in contact with or pets or anything like that um I'm sorry can you say the initial question again I apolog uh no just in terms of uh disposal disposal so yeah yeah that's absolutely part of the uh process for getting your license knowing how to do that doing that properly so that's absolutely something that a standard that they hold us to and what kind of Standards do they actually uh do they actually set for disposal itself yeah so it's um basically to take advantage of those hazardous waste days you use uh hazardous waste uh companies cleaning uh product properly uh storing product properly and if I could touch on the uh trash subject quickly because it kind of Falls in line with with that um basically what I what I would propose because we really can't put it in our technicians trucks they'll all quit on me if they're having uh mice in their uh in their truck for the week so what I would propose is to basically use like a uh container outside of our uh uh the garage itself have a lock on that that has to be locked at all times I use industrial grade uh Barrel that animals cannot get through always keep the uh trash and keep my 90% of our trash is food common everyday items we really don't have a lot of lice uh in these trash bags but always have them sealed always have them in those barrels in that locked container and then only bring them out you know the day of uh for for trash right do we place any restrictions on uh what can be put in dumpster or anything along those lines for any businesses based upon what uh a property would be able to use or anything like that uh not that I know of I mean the health department may but nothing I've they don't want construction debris is just really what I know but other than that I I would think that if we want to make sure that something is not substantially more detrimental then there are conditions that make sure that that happens or within our purview okay and I think that uh so yeah if you could yeah I was gonna I was going to bring up one other point I'm sorry bring this uh off topic but uh to the cars I know I had mentioned that right now we keep right right now we actually don't have any cars there I think a couple months ago we had one vehicle there we're mostly bringing the cars uh home but I would like in the future we we do want to grow um so if we could bring more cars there in the future I wasn't trying to say that we wanted to limit it to two cars if we could have more cars there that'd be great um they're just going to be part there uh not doing anything not you know causing any harm they're not going to be uh worked on you know from a mechanical standpoint they're just they're just going to be hanging out there and mostly that would be during the winter would that be overnight only or would that be uh throughout the course of the day as well um it could be throughout the course of the day like if we have an extra vehicle but mostly overnight I'm usually at any given time we would have one vehicle uh during the day um just as a backup vehicle I I can't guarantee that but that's typically what we've done in the past I'm sorry sorry we' we've closed public comment at this point let's I entertain a motion or if we want more discussion I'd like if the committee is done discussing I'd like to take a stab at a motion sure um I'd like to move that the board um regarding application number Z 2410 of Daniel Huntington for a special to permit to allow a change of use to a pre-existing um to a structure that has a pre-existing non-conforming use to allow the change of use to a The Pest Control business as generally described in the application um with the conditions that all um garbage including especially um carcasses of dead animals um be secured um and not put outside until trash day and um kept kept in a secured manner as as the um applicants proposed tenant has described to us um and that no cars that only two cars be parked outside overnight on the premises or trucks more could be inside but only two outside overnight um that appr apprpriate signage be erected um to um warn um First Responders of the presence of any chemicals on the property that the chemicals be um appropriately secured um as has been described To Us by the applicant and that um the Eastern Pine's usage of the premises be limited um from 7:00 a.m. to 10: p.m on weekdays and the special permit would be further subject to the following regular conditioners uh number one is not applicable actually the none of these are applicable because the um building is not being changed I will second no say the sign is is subject to approval yeah sign is subject to the normal approval process which we don't specifically do um all those in favor all four out of five passes okay thank you everybody thank [Music] you sorry that yeah that has do with rebuilding if they nice to meet you guys you [Music] [Music] that's okay we already we already pretty much discussed it during the hear okay that'll be in'll be um [Music] yes um did anyone have any comments on the minutes from July 2nd I'll only say that I was actually not present for that one so I would ch um so I use they them pronouns so my um prefix is mix MX I mared [Music] up there just the one set of amendments y to approve the amends as amended uh and with minut changes that she has second favor move to a journ second jarn we're off the record I just want to make