Yeah, I can hear you. Okay. >> Good evening. >> Bank Historic Preservation Commission will hold a special meeting on Wednesday, November 12th, 2025 at 6 PM at 90 M Street, Redbank, New Jersey.
Adequate notice of this meeting has been posted burough hall filed with the burough clerk and provided to the park press. The commission has maintained a policy cutoff hour of 8:30 p.m. for its hearings that are
scheduled at normal time. This is a special meeting. So tonight um we are going to have to cut off at 700 p.m. because there's a planning board meeting in here. Um and uh one of the items on the agenda is on the planning board
agenda. So it's important we get through that. >> Can we all stand for the pledge of allegiance? >> Pledge allegiance >> to the flag of the United States of America to the republic for which it
stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. We have a roll call. >> Louisis Al Marini >> present. >> Marjgerie Cavalier >> present. Liam Collins >> present.
>> Paul Kagno >> present. >> Aaron Smells present. >> Anthony Satero absent. Michael White >> here >> and Betsy Valera >> here. >> Thank you. Before we go any further, does anyone present have any comments on
the agenda? administration administrative matters of the meeting minutes. Uh the minutes of the meeting of October 15th. Um I trust everyone has had a chance to go over that. >> I I didn't. I'm gonna have to abstain.
>> Okay. Um, well, you weren't present, so >> yeah. Right. >> Uh, do I have a motion to approve and second? >> I can second. >> Thank you. >> First, >> all in favor?
>> I >> Well, Paul, uh, Liam, you are absent, too, so >> Oh, okay. >> Did he read them online? I didn't I didn't read them online. He could vote on it if he read it online. >> Is that right? I thought you had to be here to be able to >> No. Well, no,
>> you could be tomorrow. >> Yeah, I just didn't have a chance. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> Uh let's move through the reports. We'll start with the minor works committee. >> Um the minor works committee met well um
met virtually to discuss a sign. I think we're still in the process of discussing a sign. Um, we haven't made a decision yet. Um, >> sign on what address? >> Mama Street address 65
>> 65 Mama Street >> is that? >> It's next to Barefoot Bride. >> Okay. Um, it's >> across from the Big 11. >> Yeah. >> Right. Yeah. No, we Yes. Okay. >> All right. So, we Yeah. the
>> at the next meeting we'll report back. That's >> committee is continuing to consider it. >> Okay. >> Um do you have a report on the river center? >> Yes, we um that's what we considered today and >> Okay. Sorry. That's how we considered
today the sign and it was everybody voted yes for the sign. >> Okay. >> Okay. That's why it was asking. >> Okay. Thank you. Mhm. >> Is that the extent of the river center business? >> Thank you. Moving to the historic sites
designation design guidelines committee. >> Okay. So, um we're going to do the design guidelines next. So, I'm just going to say the second part of it is the survey of the properties, historic properties, which will be a separate
booklet and also separately online. And 20 out of the 75 properties have been surveyed. >> And these are all properties within >> the business district. >> Oh, excellent.
>> Sorry, I'm late. I get so much traffic. >> Actually, your timing is to >> So now we roll up. >> Yes. So that's it. >> Okay. Good. So, we can move ahead uh with the HPZ HPC design guidelines
um and see if uh there are any comments before we Well, >> well, Stephen's on so I don't know if he wants Yes. I don't know if he has anything to add or want to share. >> Stephen, >> hi everyone. Um not much not much to add
beyond uh the version in front of you incorporates uh the comments discussed back in uh August and October and then the ones I received subsequently um via email. I think overall it's a
really strong set of design guidelines and and I hope you guys you know advance it tonight. >> Yeah. Do any members of the design guidelines uh committee >> committee? No, we're we're happy with
the draft as is and I would make a motion to approve. >> Can I ask a a question first? Hi, it's Paul >> Shauna. >> Yeah, you can go ahead. >> All right. Um, so I just had a question
because I know that um, Lou and myself and um, Anthony and maybe some of the other members were also inquiring at one of the meetings and I didn't see it in the guidelines. That's why I'm asking under windows. You know, how are we handling
black frame windows um, in the historic district? I didn't see it under the windows section. So I don't know does that give us you know we have these set of guidelines when something comes in and it's not addressed in the guidelines do we use
our experience and and uh you know our knowledge to make a decision on what we want to propose to them you know my understanding of black windows was always historically more prevalent in commercial buildings industrial buildings throughout Redbank and you didn't necessarily see them in
residential buildings. Now, we do have one the new renovation at 65 uh Washington Street. She wound up putting in what I have come to learn after this weekend after going to the open house uh what she's calling bronze windows. If
you look at them from the street, they look black, but she's calling them bronze. And quite frankly, she wasn't very happy with putting them in. You know, there must have been a misunderstanding because she was telling me though, I had to put the bronze in. I had to put the bronze And I said, "Why did you have to put the bronze in?" I said, "Uh," she
goes, "Well, I was told I had to do bronze." And, you know, so I said, "That doesn't really make sense to me." But she did make that comment to me, which was uh, you know, um, I personally, you know, I think you probably all know that I'm not a fan of the black windows on residential
buildings. So, Stephen, if you could address that, you know, if it's not addressed in the guidelines, how do we address it going forward? I think it's addressed um under guideline five for the windows about primary windows. Um it's not as specific
as getting into the color of the mutton. I do think um that's something you can you can certainly look at when you get like a specific cut sheet, but um it is potentially going a little bit beyond
the HPC's um position that you don't review paint color or kind of color in general. Um, but guideline five under windows speaks to matching historic profiles,
operations, and mutton patterns. And if the muttons are a very dark color, they're not going to be very discernable. Um, so I don't think it would be meeting that guideline if they were black on black. >> Okay, great. Thank you. And there's also a very
um kind of elaborate matricy on pages 87 and 88 in the appendix about appropriate types of windows. Um some of which do offer black muttons uh but many of the ones toward the left the more appropriate ones do not.
>> Thank you. Um, I had a question or a comment um under the uh demolition section and I was just wondering if if it's
necessary or if that's maybe more under the zoning board um jurisdiction, but if in the case that that a demolition was approved um to have maybe a a plan uh in place
ahead of time for what the what the new structure will look like before the demolition was approved. >> I didn't see that anywhere in in the wording. I I just I didn't know if it again would be under the HPC
um guidelines or if that's something that the planning or zoning board would would have in their their ordinance. >> So you're you're asking Liam that if somebody gets approval to demolish a building, if we have any authority to to
input on the design of what replaces that building? >> Yes. >> Yes. that the that the replacement uh plan should be in place before the the old structure is taken down.
>> Right. We do not have that authority. >> Okay, that was my question. If who does have that authority then? >> I don't think anybody does. I mean, if if somebody were to take down a building on Broad Street
and they got approval to take down that building because for whatever reason, we can't we can't tell them to make it look like the other buildings on Broad Street. >> We're not >> Well, Michelle regulate new
construction, >> right? So part of the >> Michelle there are criteria to be followed for demolition and which include the consideration of the character and quality of the existing building the
justification for its demolition etc. So assuming they go through all of those criteria and let's assume it's there's the criteria for demolition are satisfied and they want to come in and build another building and it's in a historic district and it's covered by
new construction guidelines. They're very usually very difficult uh you know you but you can't it doesn't the demolition the criteria doesn't determine what's going in there in the future. So just for the if I could just quote
that on page 58 says and specifically in the business district new storefronts offers an opportunity to achieve compatibility with the historic streetscape although non-contributing buildings may lack architectural significance. Their storefronts can be
designed to reflect the traditional features and rhythms of the nearby contributing historic building. emphasize new should emphasize that is typical of the new 20th century
commercial buildings. So we are saying this is a guideline. This is not necessarily a mustdo, but we're putting forward what we hope will will maintain the character of of Redbank.
and and as as noted in the very beginning of the book, purpose and intent of the guidelines, it says each application is considered on a case-byase basis and the HPC
retains the discretion to weigh the guidelines accordingly. So somebody comes to us, we look at the guidelines, we now have something that, you know, it's not just, well, I think or Karen thinks or, you know, Lou thinks. We we
have this book to to to offer us some ways that we can suggest and then we give our recommendation to the planning board and and you know so we can't we we're not saying you must because you
have no idea about what everything should be considered. >> Okay. So new construction in the historic district then has to come before the HPC. >> Yes. Yep. Okay.
>> Okay. That's that's helpful. >> All right. Thank you. >> Any other comments? >> Any other comments or >> So, I still have a motion that hasn't been seconded. >> I would like to do one other thing, which is >> open it. >> Open it to the public for comments or
questions before we put this to a vote, especially in the context of comments made. Are there any comments or questions from anybody in the audience? >> Thank you. >> Okay. So,
>> make a motion to accept the guidelines. >> Do we have a second? >> I'll second. >> Thank you. >> Okay. >> Al Marini >> in favor. Marjorie Cavalier.
>> Yes. >> Liam Collins. >> Hi. >> Paul Kagno. >> Yes. >> Karen Smells. >> Yes. >> Michael White. >> Yes. >> And Betsy Valera. >> Yes. >> Thank you.
>> Very good. >> Congratulations. >> So, Michelle, >> congratulations. >> Thank you. >> Well done. if you could just um just for the public and for the board to just talk about the next step of approval just to run it down for everybody. So
the the guidelines will now be sent up for adoption and I don't I I don't know whether or not it they've been their advisory to the planning board yet but it and it depends on you know that at a certain point in time if council
introduces these guidelines then they would have to be referred to the planning board for the planning board's report and its consistency with the historic element of the master plan And uh then that go will go back for a
second reading uh at before the governing body which is the time that there will be a public hearing on it. And if they adopt it, it will then become integrated into your existing historic preservation ordinance as the
regulatory guidelines that you will be following. You the these are extremely well done. I think you're going to find that it makes a very big difference in terms of how you're able to handle your work. I've
seen a lot of versions of these. Uh, and this is a particularly well. You you all of you work together so well to create this. So, >> thank you. >> Thank you, Stephen. You did a great job. >> I think Paul has a comment. >> Yes. Thank you. Um, you know, I just had
a question. If it goes to the planning board and they read it and decide that there's something that they don't like about it, what becomes of it? Do they get to change it right there or would they send it back to us? >> They they do not have to send it back to the commission, but ordinarily that's what happens. There should be you're all
one governing a you know, you all work together collaboratively. So many times the like a planning board if they had some comments or questions, they'll feed it back. I strongly recommend that when it does get introduced on first and and adopted on
first reading when it gets sent over to the planning board that you have a representative present at those meetings because sometimes you can just answer the questions right there and then. >> So it's at 7 o'clock >> so we can stay >> so >> yes >> technically I just want to fill in
Michelle. So, Christina had suggested that before it goes to the council for first reading that um the planning board gets a presentation beforehand. So, they're not going to take formal action with that tonight, but Stephen was gonna
>> we're hoping to get out all the kinks at this meeting. If planning board has any issues, they've had the document for over a month now, I think, >> or less than a month, but they've had it for some time, right? >> Um the final final draft, >> right? >> And I I plan on staying for that meeting
in case they have questions about our process and and any kind of things that they need clarification. So, >> I will stay as well. And I had recommended as well that you have this step with the planning board so that because let's assume the planning board
were to propose changes after it was introduced. Then when it comes up for second reading if there's a substantial change it can't be adopted. It has to be reintroduced. So this just smooths out the process and makes all the partners in the process together. So it's great
idea. I was unaware that that was being done this evening, but >> trying to knock it all out. >> Yes. Well, >> in time in time for Christmas gifts. >> Yes, >> that's my that's my goal. >> Well, I I wouldn't be too optimistic about getting it adopted at council
level because they have to advertise, they have to prepare it, they have to put the cut so it may not and they don't like to separate first reading. No, and very rare for a town to separate the first second reading into a different calendar year. In fact, there are many
municipal attorneys who take the position that you can't do it based on some technicalities in the law governing the adoption of ordinances. >> So, there has to be a certain period of time. So, it may not be adopted in this
calendar year, but I can see very easily happening in 26. I think the fact that you are able to have gone through this and you've spent so much time and were so careful about these that's a really good Christmas
gift. >> But if the council is able to do the first and second that's you know like it's it's you know next week's gone because it's the league and then you have Thanksgiving and all of a sudden what do you have? >> Oh I don't know that I'm going to be reappointed.
I I haven't heard one way or the other. I don't think anybody's >> I mean because this is my my term is up. >> Your term is up, >> right? >> So can we discuss it later just because we are on it and we do have an >> applicant.
Good. All right. Excellent. So we can move to new business. >> Got a decent amount of time left. So 62 Washington Street. >> Um if you can use Forgot which mic that works. I think this one works. Yeah. So,
just bring it really close to you. December. I was told December. I know. Just tap the tap the tap the microphone. So, Nope. So, it's the next one. Sorry. It's the next one. That
works. Go that one. Yeah. No, that was my fault. I forgot which one. >> Got a 5050 shot at it. >> And just bring it really close to you. >> I'm just tapping right here. >> There you go. It works. That's a good sign. >> Yes. >> Okay. How are you?
>> Very good. >> Good. Um yeah, so we are purchasing a home at 62 Washington Street and we are looking to make a few changes on the outside. Um mainly um changing the paint color to a
different color. Right now it's blue and we're looking to do a color called Brand Stone which is on the Benjamin Moore Williamsburg collection. Uh so I I believe the link for collection kind of aderes to uh historic colors and then
additionally we are looking to uh on the side elevation of the home. Sorry, are you able to hear me? >> I just want to make sure that Zoom hears you, but I'm good. >> Yeah. Okay. Uh there's one window on the uh side elevation of the home in the back of the house that we're looking to
close uh in order to have a more functional kitchen on the interior. And then um we also were looking at uh we're going to need to replace the windows and the doors. They're all they're both in
very shape. The house has been neglected for a long time. Um, and then there is also a couple of chimneys um, above that we were thinking about removing um, just because they're rather large in the interior of the home.
They're not actually fireplaces. They're just sort of nonfunctional. Um, so I have plans and everything and I have a bunch of photos. I don't know what you guys need, but um, happy to share any anything with you and any questions. >> Could we pass the photos around?
>> Oh, yeah. um >> I also have >> yeah have plans as well if you want to see your plans So, you're you're replacing the front door. >> You're looking to replace the front
door. Yes. Um, it's rotted at the bottom, >> but you're keeping the design of the front door with the stained glass at the top. It's not just regular transom window, but yeah, we would keep up top. And then this is a this is a material
list as well. And then just some photos. Um >> the general condition of, you know, the siding and stuff is why we're looking to actually I I forgot to mention we're looking to replace the siding because the siding is the house has a lot of termite damage.
>> So um you know if microphone the uh the siding of the house is really not in repairable condition of wood. I really like the color >> on the plants. >> Oh, >> you had mentioned that there is a
basement level window. Oh, yes. >> The basement is >> kind of above grade. >> Yes. >> But there was a window that had is blocked off right now. >> We're going to reopen that. >> Okay. And and you had a rendering of
the after. >> Yeah. >> Look at it. It didn't look like the window had been opened unless I was looking at >> Yeah, we uh tried to do some patchy BT and it didn't quite do exactly what we Okay. Unfortunately, >> it would be the same. It would be the same.
>> A basic question. So, the the way it is now, um the at the that basement level, it follows the contours of the bay window above it, right? When you open it up, is the window going to be recessed and level with the plane of the rest of
the the front of the basement or is it going to be is it going to follow the contours of the bay window and the open window at the basin level will be directly above the middle bay of the bay window? >> Uh so it would be the window would be in the middle bay and yes I think that the
plan is to you know keep it in line with the foundation >> that basement level has a bay. Yes. Yes. >> Oh, okay. Okay. >> I can't because >> I know it's it's hard to say temporary houses. It's not unusual. Builder sticks
a bay and it overhangs. >> No, no, no. This this goes all the way down. So, >> it's a shame those doors can't be saved because >> Yeah. At least from the street. They're beautiful. >> They are. Yeah. There's a lot of a lot
of damage and locking mechanisms no longer work on the inside. there's just like these sort of bulks. So, unfortunately, there's not really in great shape. So, we're looking to um do like a, you know, wooden door with like a 3/4 type thing similar to actually what 65
has across the street. Um but I, you know, I think we're open to suggestions. So, >> well, we'd encourage something that at the end of the day looks like the door that's there. now obviously redone
structurally so it's new >> right okay >> um tell us about the roof and your plans for the roof >> yeah so it is a slate roof looks like it's original um we want to save it um
there are some areas of the roof that uh are missing some shingles so the plan would be to try to patch in, you know, matching shingles if we can. Um, that that's that's our first preference. And if we can't do that, um, I did in
that in that uh the documents I sent you some some photos of maybe some other options as well. I looked up architectural uh slate looking shingles. Um, and then also synthetic slate shingles. But our our first preference would definitely be to keep that that
has some beautiful detailing. Um, but we need to be able to find the appropriate pieces that fit in where there's some spots missing. >> Okay. >> Um, were you aware that uh the former
owner of your house has a Wikipedia page, James Avati? >> No, I'd be very curious to hear about that because we have been trying to do some research on who all the owners were. Well, he is a famous uh illustrator and um he designed a lot of
uh paperback covers. Um and his father is also a famous New York City um photographer. >> What was his name again? >> James Avati. A v a ti. >> Thank you. I can also I can also connect
you with someone who does research of a prior owners. >> That that would be great. Yeah, we're trying to we're actually trying to find some uh original photos of the home if we can somewhere. Uh we'd love to be able to >> incorporate those into the artwork of
the house so that we haven't quite had any luck yet, but we're working on it. third. >> You know, I have a I have a >> Sorry. Go ahead, Paul. >> Okay. Um, you know, I was looking at >> So, it looks like you also are going with the the black windows. Is that
right? >> And if you can explain, you know, how are you going to maintain the historic character in the windows if you were to paint them black? you know. >> Yeah. Go ahead. >> No, I was I'm just concerned and and are the windows um you know, the woodwork
around the windows are going to be white and then with the black is that what the plan is? >> You know, it's just and this is just my it's it's my opinion and the other members may disagree, but it's it's it's just following this trend of uh you know, these farmhouse style windows in
these historic homes. I don't think this is a this is more of a renovation than a restoration, right? I mean, because that's just my it's my opinion of it. I don't think it it brings back the character of the house. I I personally speaking with the black windows, I'm I'm
not a fan of it. Um and I don't know how you're going to maintain the character of the house with the black window. Um I just think it totally changes the character and the look of the house from the street. The black windows for us are are not a dealbreaker. We would be open to doing
white windows. Um, you know, we we do like the look of the black windows and in order to, you know, stay with the original appearance. And I I've done a little research on I guess the um, you know, what it looked what home did, you know, in the 19th century, you know, was
that a common thing? And there's, you know, I think some conflicting uh thoughts on that. Some people, you know, some things I've read have have said that there was a lot of windows that were, you know, dark greens and and and dark like bronze and black and things like that. And others say it's, you
know, more traditional white. So, the uh with that being said, the trim that we're looking to do now, the trim that's all on the outside of the home, we we're looking to maintain all that and just sand it down and re repaint it. color that we're looking to do called Parish White, which is more of a like off white
creamy color almost. Um, so, you know, I was just a little bit concerned with doing the white windows with this kind of cream color because I thought it might be a little bit, you know, too stark. That's why we had originally discussed maybe doing the black or the bronze. >> That's a good notion and
>> I think we would agree with that. If is there are there windows available that would match the parish white? >> I don't I don't think so. Usually these window makers they have sort of, you
know, a menu of colors and it's like three or four colors. Um there might be something that's somewhat close to it. Um I know I I did see some Toby looking windows that we could do, although I don't know that that would be any better. But >> you could almost kind of reverse
engineer it where you find a manufacturer that has windows you like in a color that's close to parish white, not quite there, and then just match the paint to the windows, >> right? >> And it wouldn't be Parish White, >> right?
>> Historical, you know, Benjamin Moore collection. But the overall result I think would preserve the look of the buttons and the, >> you know, better than having the problem with either bronze or black
>> is that it just washes into it. It It's a completely different more modern look. I know it's very trendy now >> on cars. Opera windows were a big thing in the 70s. Now people make, you know, there none left on the road.
It's just to keep in mind >> it's a trendy thing and >> now also Windows 20 years from now might need to be replaced anyway. So we can't Yeah. I I wouldn't say it's a deal
breaker for us either, but our preference is when you're going to renovate, restore something as, you know, whether it's homes, automobiles, bring it as close as possible to what was there originally. >> Right. Understood.
>> So, that's the spirit. >> And I think we're open to that. You know, I don't we're not married to the black windows. >> Yeah. Um, but I do think white would just be a little stark with that sort of cream color that we're doing on the outside. So maybe there's, you know, a
taoby or creamy window that I can find that. >> Well, if the windows, if they make a bronze that matches the siding that moves it in a direction where you're, oh, okay, I see what's going on. Because I mean there are plenty of as you
mentioned there are plenty of historic homes where they blended colors and they would repeat colors within elements of of the home. >> So >> yeah, >> but stark black certainly unless there's other black in the
exterior to tie into it would just look like it would almost look like you went out and bought cheap vinyl black windows cuz they were in a clearance aisle. I don't understand. >> Yeah, I agree with Liam also on that. You know, I think if you're concerned
about the white window ab budding a parish white that it's not it's going to stand out. I think the black would stand out probably 10 times more against the white personally. And I know that color is subjective, but I do believe in my heart that you will be so happy by not
doing the black and and uh and being and being sucked into this trend of farmhouse historic home, which I am not a fan of um as I've said. But in any event, um I agree with uh with what Lou said there um with respect to uh trying
to match the window and I don't think you would be that disappointed with the white on parish white personally, but um if you needed to match the parish, I think that would be the better way to go as well. So, thank you. By the way, I love that house. One of my favorite houses in the entire district.
>> House, too. >> It is beautiful. Thank you. >> So, can I just show you a picture on the future cover where the outside wood is like a buff color >> and then the window is white. >> Okay. >> So, >> is that can I can I
>> Yeah. So, I mean that just gives you an idea and your your color match would be not as obvious as that either. Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, honestly, we're we're we're definitely open to doing the white windows. Not it's not a deal breaker for
us really. >> Okay. >> Um I just I wanted to just uh re-emphasize that that is one of the last slate roofs left in uh Washington Street. So if you were able to to
salvage that, it would be really great. Um the other thing I was going to mention is about the the front door. If you're looking for a master carpenter, I have a I have contacts in in um Lancaster, Pennsylvania, the Amish
community, and they might be able to help you if you needed to get a custom made that would that would replicate that door. So, um Shauna can give me my contact details if you need to get a hold of me. >> Okay. Thank you. I mean, is the is the
only I'm not opposed to doing the the the full solid door. I do like to have the glass only to be able to see out. Um, is that something that you guys would be opposed to to have having a partial glass door? >> I I'm not opposed to a glass in the in
the door. >> I think this the shape of the door is probably more important. >> Yeah. >> We kept the design. >> Okay. you want it. You want to step back and look and think >> so,
>> oh, that looks like the original door, >> right? >> That's when you know >> we're going to try actually to find maybe, you know, maybe go to like one of these architectural salvage places and find something that maybe would fit in there. >> Probably a little bit hard to find those
dimensions. Otherwise, we will most likely have to get something custom made, but um I think we would prefer to have the glass because just easier to see out of, >> right? >> And you know, back to the roof, one thing you might consider
if you know in in terms of salvaging at least the most important part of the roof. I assume that roof goes all around the house. So, it's possible that you may be able to collect enough shingles from the back
run to replace the damaged ones in the front, right, >> that are visible from the street >> and do something else in the back >> and do you know a uh I think you had in your plans uh indicated there was a vendor that sells
>> Yes. >> basically it's composite slate. It looks like slate. >> Yes. But something like that along the back. Um and that way it would be restored, >> right? >> You know, the part that's visible to >> Yeah. No, I mean, we're we're definitely
um we're we're going to do everything that we can to save that slate roof because >> hundreds of years. >> Exactly. And you know, as old as it is, as old as it is, and you know, it does have a few things wrong with it, it's actually still in pretty decent shape
quite honestly, as far as I can tell. >> Yeah. >> So, it's just a few missing. >> Is it is are there leaks? >> No leaks right now. >> Oh, that's a very good sign. >> Now, the top roof is, you know, the top roof is like a regular asphalt, you know, threedimensional roof. Doesn't the
the slate is not up on the top part. So I think you know because it's a mansered roof, you know, maybe the water just kind of runs down. You're not really getting leaking. Uh but but we have not seen any any leakage. >> Yeah. Just the house across the street that has been completely redone.
>> Yes. >> That was leaking all over the place that was unfortunately not salvageable, which is too bad because it was a great looking roof. >> It's also a slate roof. >> That was slate. Yeah. Yeah. And they did they were interested in saving it, but
part of it was too far gone and it was leaking all over. There was water damage everywhere. So it's it's in a way the design that that house has with the asphet on the top
of the >> So once you replace the shingles on the roof, are you also planning on um getting it clean? Because it does look like it's been weathered. Yes, it's uh it definitely needs a a nice soft washing because it's it's it's got a lot of stains. So, that would be part of our
plan as well. >> Okay. Thank you. >> And the the replacement siding would be >> um Hardy board is what we're looking for. The fiberment just smooth and then we would paint it with that uh the color the Randolph stone is what it's called. >> Okay.
All right. Any other comments or questions? >> I have a question on the siding. So, the siding is going to remain in terms of the >> I mean, you're going to replace the siding with the um with the Hardy, but
um it's going to be the same uh for lack of a better word, uh I don't I mean, format is not the same word, but it's going to be the same >> clapboard. Clapboard. Well, like it's like in other words, it's going to look like the siding looks now, except it's going to be replaced Hardy board. Is
that right? >> Correct. >> Right. It's not going to be like the little shingles up front and then the long shingles on the back, right? It's going to be like how they currently had it. >> Clap, you know, they call it plank flap party sighting, but it's it it resembles a clapboard sighting.
>> Okay. You know, yeah, I know there was some discussion about the sighting. I I get, you know, we all understand that the Hardy board will last you forever. You know, with that being said, there are contractors, you know, there's a contractor in Montlair who comes down here and can do wood, make wood look
like new, and I'm sure you've looked into that. Um, Geekis from Monontlair. I don't know if you ever heard of them, but Geek is Contracting from Monontlair is incredible. And some other members on the board probably have some, you know, some contacts if you're interested in restoring the door, interested in
restoring the old hardware inside of the house. You know, I know my house has door knob has door knobs in the interior doors that are just beautiful, you know, and we were able to save a lot of those things and the front door. I know what you're talking about with those latches. I have it on mine um on 65 Wallace and
we were able to save it and only because Geekas was able to put it kind of put it back to together and it wasn't terribly e expensive. I wouldn't be surprised depending how badly damaged yours is that it was cheaper than getting the new custommade door. But I mean, just keep in mind that there are contractors out
there that specialize in this stuff that could be um cost-effective for you as well. Um you know, so just one thing that I wanted to add to that, but I'm looking forward to um your project and uh best of luck with it. >> Thank you very much. Appreciate it. >> And actually, I'd encourage you to take
a look at 32 Wallace. It's a home that was recently restored. It actually had asbestous siding on it. They took it off. >> Yeah. The great house. And that is wood siding. I >> That's some wood siding. They they uh took the asbestous siding off and
restored the wood siding that was under it. And actually their uh trim color, I think, is pretty close to the parish white that that you're looking at. And they went with windows that appear to be they're not parish white, but they're
kind of a beigey. >> Okay. They're very complimentary. >> Okay. >> I'll take a look at that house for sure. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. A lot of the windows are original
that also. >> Oh, they they're painted. >> They're original windows. >> Oh, wow. Okay. >> They're not. Yeah. >> Really? >> So, here's a case where they painted the original windows and >> not white but in a complimentary color.
So, it's it's it's darker than the parish wall. Well, here you want to come over >> 32 Wallace. >> 32 Wallace. 32. >> They even have a baggage room in that house. >> They worked on this for a long time. >> It's all like >> Yeah, it's nice. It's very I do like the
um and this I saw on Anderson or one of these window places, they do have this sort of beigy looking window. So, we are open to that as well. >> Yeah, that that that could be nice. >> Yeah. Um, yeah, I think we're we're open to that for sure. >> Great.
>> Yeah. So, I guess we're done with that. >> Yeah. >> Oh, I think Michael, you had a >> Oh, I was just going to say, well, congratulations and welcome to the town. This is a great house and a great district. Um
I um I do think that if if there's something to sacrifice in terms of this the changes that you suggest I I would for me it may be one the kitchen window. Um I mean it helps to remember that the
buildings from this period are are rare and you know basically like like treasures for the town. Um and the architects who designed them were very principled and had really clear notions and you know
you logical notions of balance and um a balance between openness and mystery to say that there's a tendenc even in some places vering on menace. I'm not saying that anything that you're you're suggesting here is in that
category, but that tends to be where it goes. And it to some degree it seems to be at odds with the spirit of of um Second Empire houses, Gothic, Neo Gothic. Um so for me, I feel like it's it's you
know, even the chimneys have have a purpose. They have a placement. They have a proportion. They have texture that is part of the overall spirit of the house. Yeah. For me, the door and the slate are almost like, you know, non-starters.
Um, the doors might have some glass. It seems like the proposed one is a little too much, not for my taste, but for the spirit and the logic of this house as a design principle. >> That's all I want to say. And as as as far as the window is concerned on the
side there, and we we did consider other ways to not cover that window up. Fortunately, the way that the house is set up on the interior, um there's a there's a beautiful arch between the kitchen and the living room that is
>> pocket door is very beautiful. Um, so in order for us to keep that arch and have a functional kitchen, we had to close one window. >> And really the only place that we can have a a full wall of cabinetry
>> and still have a functional kitchen really is along that wall. >> Yeah. >> And so that's why we were proposing that. I'm just going to throw something out there because I just got back from Europe and in Europe they what I noticed because that's what I'm looking for
examples. You could leave the window and then just enclose it on the inside. So from the outside >> it still maintains that the window was there originally, but it's behind a cabinet from the inside of the house. Uh
and and there was an example of an abbey where they painted a window on the outside that they couldn't restore because of bombing during World War II. So they wanted the outside to be maintained as it had been prior to the 1940s.
>> If there are no more comments, I'd like to motion for vote. >> Yes. >> Oh, Karen wants to make the motion to >> make the motion.
>> I will I will second >> and then we can give you back your plans. Thank you. And before we put it to a vote, >> um, an option would be anyone has any
wants to put it to a vote subject to modification do that. >> No, just let let them go with it. I think >> as is. >> Yeah, as is. >> Okay. >> Well, I would like to put it I would like to make a motion then I'll make a second motion to approve it subject to the conditions that we've discussed
subject to not black window. Um, personally that was my, you know, if anyone else has any conditions either, but the applicant seemed okay to um, with not doing that. So, I don't want another situation where the the house across the street, I mean, she was pretty clear to me at the open house
today that she didn't want to do the black. She she felt like she had to, which was bizarre to me. So, to me, the application, if he's okay with it, if he's not married to the black, then let's let's let's say it, you know, application approved, not married to, you know, not going to do the black windows. Okay.
>> And the applicant has nodded his head that the applicant has nodded his head that he would agree to that which as he stated previously. >> Okay. All right. So now just for clarity uh do we have a motion >> with the condition >> with the condition?
>> I'll I'll do that. I'll amend my motion. >> Karen's gonna second. Okay. All right. >> Proceed for the vote. >> Lois Alini. Yes. >> Marjgerie Cavalier. >> Yes. >> Liam Collins. >> Hi. >> Paul Kagno.
>> Yes. >> Schmemells. >> Yes. >> Anthony. >> Abstain. >> Uh, Michael White. >> Yes. >> And Betsy Valera. >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you. Good luck. >> Congratulations.
>> Thank you. You know, there's a >> Do we have a motion to adjourn? >> I I've made a Let somebody else make the motion. >> Oh, I'll make the motion. >> That's a Thank you. And a second. >> Tomorrow is the library. >> Second for adjournment. Sure. >> Yeah,
>> we have a second. >> Um, I just want to remind everybody that the meeting at the library tomorrow for Q&A is at 6:30 and Stephen will be there. So if anybody wants to attend in the audience
>> for the three of us who are on the committee or just in the audience even >> move right in. >> No, you don't have plays. I was supposed to be up here. I was like in a habit that I just sit in this
>> current >> potential restoration >> approved >> and I I'll go in and revise your development permit. >> Okay. So, and then we can submit the intensive procedur >> Ed McKenna is my attorney so he'll be going through
>> Yeah, I know. They don't make them. >> I'll tell you something your applic. >> All right. >> Very good. Thank you. >> Take care. >> Meetings going.