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Recording in progress. >> Good evening. There's feedback. There is. >> Maybe we can turn this off. Daniel? >> Daniel. >> Aaron, can you go on mute for a second? Hello.

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Yeah, can you go on mute for a second? And Liam, can you go on mute? >> [clears throat] >> You want me to do what? >> Can you both go on mute for a second? >> Yes. >> Go ahead. >> Good evening. >> Okay.

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>> That that appears to work. Okay. Good evening. The Red Bank Historic Preservation Commission will hold a regular meeting on Wednesday, June 17th, 2026 at 7:00 p.m. at 90 Monmouth Street, Red

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Bank, New Jersey. Adequate notice of this meeting has been posted at Borough Hall, filed with Borough Clerk, and provided to the Asbury Park Press and the Two River Times. The Commission has maintained a policy cutoff hour of 8:30 p.m. for its hearings.

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Please uh stand for Pledge of Allegiance. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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>> We'll start with the roll call. >> Luis Almarini. >> Present. >> Marjorie Cavalier >> Present. >> Liam Collins >> Present. >> Paul Cagno, absent. Carice Malsch >> Muted.

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>> She's [laughter] present. >> Present. >> Present. >> Anthony Satoro, absent. Michael White, absent. Betsy Betsy Valera >> Oops. >> Present. >> And Matthew Cummings absent. >> Um the meeting minutes were not yet

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available for this meeting. The I mean the meeting minutes from the May meeting. So, at our next meeting in July, we will review both the minutes of this meeting and the minutes of last month's meeting. The uh next matter is the 2025 annual

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report, which was included among the materials that were distributed Monday. Um Does anyone have any questions or comments on the annual report before we put it up for approval?

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>> It looks fine to me. >> Looks good. >> Yeah, nice job. >> Well done. >> Okay. May I have a motion to approve it? To >> I'll make the motion. >> Thank you. And do I have a second?

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>> I'll second. >> Nice. Thank you. >> Now we'll just do an all in favor. >> All in favor? >> I. >> I. >> Good. >> And now turn to the reports. Uh we'll start with the minor works

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review committee which has started now to have meetings twice a month uh on specific dates. I think it's the Wednesday before this meeting and the Wednesday after this meeting. >> Yes. >> Um and those are uh

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I think they're recorded or >> No, they're not recorded. >> they're they're viewable. >> They are published. Um the meetings are published and yes, they are um viewable. We do meet via Zoom at 9:00 the

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first and last Wednesday of every month. >> Yeah. >> Um >> We had two so far. >> Yes, we have had two so far. So we So far we have reviewed

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uh five applications. Um four were for signs and the sign applications were for 88 Broad Street, 7 Broad Street, 30 West Front and 39 Broad Street. We also reviewed um an

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application for 23 Wa- um Wallace Street. Um and this was for the replacement of uh balcony railings. Um and the reason why this went before the commission was this um due to the fact that the balcony

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railings um was for maintenance uh purposes and it did not change the character of the building itself um and it's a fairly new building. Um and so there were no real historic significance

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and it faced the rear and the side. Um it wasn't directly the improvements were weren't directly facing um uh Wallace Street. >> Mhm. Okay. Thank you. Um

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River Center, Anthony's not here so no report. Historic Sites and Design Guidelines. >> Okay, um so tomorrow I will be participating in the panel in Morristown. Uh

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Steven asked that a representative from Red Bank come to join a representative from Cape May County to talk about the process that we went through. So, that is tomorrow from 2:00 to 3:30.

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And uh we'll see how it goes. Um I also uh kind of mentioned it here. Um one of the properties that came before us for review had the ribbon cutting. Uh all of you were invited to

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that. So, I I did go and um thanked the owner for keeping one of the recommendations that I think Karen was particularly interested in. That one point they were talking about

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removing two windows from the second floor and putting some kind of ornamentation there instead of keeping the four windows that were part of the Sears model. And they did keep the four windows. So, I just, you know, thanked them for that.

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So, Yeah. So, that's all I have. >> Very good. Thank you. Is there anything to report for the Certified Local Government Designation Committee? >> Uh yeah. So, included in the package

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tonight, um I put together basically what is And I haven't discussed this with Shauna, but basically it's our master checklist uh um basically keep track of our progress as

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we move through this process. So, I I don't think we have to go through every single line item tonight, but um maybe offline Shauna and I can go through it and for the next meeting we can go through and at least review and

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and and see what progress um has been made already. Um and then uh we can present that at the the next meeting. Uh there are a couple other things that are connected to the um

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certification process and are actually items on the checklist. Uh the one thing is the training that each commissioner is supposed to um go through every every year. So, there's

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seems to be a couple of different ways to do this. Um one way is we can uh we can um attend conferences or we can also request that the historic preservation

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historic preservation office send someone to train us specifically on a certain topic. So, maybe what we want to put on the agenda for the next meeting is what types of things we would like to be

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trained in and then I can work with Shauna and we can um request a trainer to come from the state preservation historic preservation office and provide us training during one of our um

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commission meetings. So, that's uh that's one way that we can make sure that we're adhering to that requirement as part of the application process so we're all doing our minimum amount of training.

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>> You're talking about number five, right? The historic preservation So, in the end the last comment that there is design guideline work you've contributed to. So, would that mean that since we were

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working on these design guidelines last year that everybody would have satisfied that requirement? >> Um, I don't know. It's a It's a good question. Maybe that's uh we can we can bring that up with the

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um historical preservation office when we talk to them about the training and see if that that would fulfill that requirement. I'm I'm not sure, but we'll find out. >> Yeah, I I would find it helpful to to

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kind of get a list of very specific list on things that we could do including um you know, maybe there's some online things that that could be done, you know, instead of

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physically going to a conference cuz I know that for example, the library you know, you can you can either click on pre-recorded training you know, would be another option for some people who would find it

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difficult to carve out time to to actually physically live stream something. So, I think that would be helpful. >> Okay. Well, yeah, we'll find out um when we talk to the the historical

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preservation office. So, I'll report to you on that in in the next meeting, but it's just to I guess so everyone's aware of what the check what's on the checklist and um and so we can start

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ticking those off as we progress through our process and then um the other thing is the resume. So, we each have to submit a resume to the as part of the uh CLG application process.

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So, I just put together a basic guideline um for you to each tailor your individual resume so that basically it highlights your experience and skills that you bring to um

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you know, that's an asset to the to the commission. Um I think if we could maybe set a deadline for that, maybe if everyone would have their resumes to Shauna,

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let's say by September. Um and then uh that'll be another thing we can kick off our checklist. >> Okay. Okay. >> Okay. Yep. So, that that's all. >> Um I just have one more question. >> Okay. >> That when you talk to the people at the

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state, if you could get clarification on uh item number seven, um articles, walking tours, exhibits, talks on local history or preservation. So, could you know

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>> talking about the resume or the >> No, I'm talking checklist. Yeah, no, that one I'm talking about [clears throat] I'm talking about the the resume. >> All right. Okay. >> All right. So, could you include things that you've done independently? Like if

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you visited other historic cities and >> Absolutely. I I think anything that's going to add to you know, our case um that that would be absolutely uh you know, worth putting on there.

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>> Oh, okay. And and so, finally, um when we're talking about attendance of training and such, are we shooting to submit this in 2027, so so we would

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like when does the clock start for conferences and all that? >> I think if Well, we'd have to the application due in March of 2027, but it will be um I think

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basically for the previous year, so it'll be this calendar year. >> So so one of the things that we could put in the minutes would be to have the commissioners thinking in terms of

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what they're doing this year to to maybe kind of work to to really make sure that we have everybody attending or doing something in that category.

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>> Yeah, that's uh this Yeah, if everyone can review the the guidelines for the resume, then um you know, like I said, anything you can add to your resume that's going to build

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our case for being a strong commission is is going to be beneficial, so >> Okay. >> um >> All right, so if maybe we could highlight that for everyone. Right?

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Cuz we still have the summer to, you know, to plan things in the fall. Right? >> Right. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Okay. Thank you. Thank you.

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Moving to uh the two items on the agenda for old business, starting with HPC 107, which is 65 Washington Street. Um we had an initial discussion of this at the last meeting. >> Is Can you hear him?

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Liam and Aaron, can you hear him? >> Can you hear him? Lou? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Thank you. Um this is the This is a home that is in the historic district that was uh purchased a couple years ago

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and restored that a nice restoration. Um we actually had been given the benefit of reviewing and and approving the plans. Um once restored, it was sold to new owners. The new owners would like to put

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a prefab shed and garage um at the end of their driveway in the back right corner of the driveway, which could be accessed from the driveway along the south right side of the house.

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Um once extended to the garage, um the garage the end of the garage that has the garage door in it would be visible from the street as well as the roofline of

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the garage, including the roof pitch. Um before I give my thoughts on it, maybe I'll I'll ask if others have had a chance to review the proposed plans and any comments on it.

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>> Okay. Um my my concern is uh that to me the orientation of the roof does not match the orientation of the home, which under the design guidelines is

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something that that it should copy. And if we truly want to make a recommendation, I think that matters, it's almost I think my view would be

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it should take on the appearance of a of a carriage house since this is a Victorian house. So, some kind of ornamentation, fretwork that that could match the front of the house.

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And that's not the impression I get. I I'm concerned about the fact that it's all wood, property matching next to it, that kind of thing, but as a historic home,

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I think it should look or attempt to look anyway as something that has been there cuz I don't know if anybody remembers there was a a garage on the property on the opposite side of where they're placing it that had to be torn down

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because it was wood and it was in such disrepair. That's kind of a hint of things to come with this all wood uh garage. But, I think that um it's oriented the wrong way in terms of the

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way that the roof is presented. >> Could Okay, could you are you suggesting that Well, there two ways to interpret your remarks. One is that the roof isn't sufficiently

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pitched or the pitch of the roof should match the pitch of the major architectural elements >> like flipped. >> It's flipped. >> Which by the way is my opinion as well. I I I I think the pitch of if I don't know what the roof pitch of the house is.

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It might be 9 over 12. Whatever it is, um the garage should have the same roof pitch so that when you glance at the property your immediate reaction is that that garage belongs to that house. They're they're one they're of one

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>> There should be There should be elements that You you would kind of associate that they're together. >> Right. And and right now it it the design as submitted looks like a very standard shed roof pitch which is a

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shallow roof. I you know, a shallow pitch. It might be three over 12. I I don't know. Um, and that would be my number one recommendation. Now, another interpretation, are you suggesting that they rotate the garage 90° and put it

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across the backyard so that the the the shingles of the roof are visible from the house? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> And that the the wider part of the garage is is facing front. So they're going to swing around.

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>> Well, um, >> Well, originally originally they said >> I I'm of the opinion that that isn't I note that when you look at the house, it's got gables facing in various directions. >> Right. >> So,

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in in my opinion, it's not as important the orientation of the garage in the backyard and if they were to put the orientation of the garage as in their plans with the door facing the street and with the right roof pitch, that roof

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pitch matches a dormer that's on the second floor second and third floor above the front door. >> Mhm. >> If those roof pitches matched, I think it holds together well. I understand it would look good also if you turned it

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and put it across the backyard. >> if you they're bigger the they're everything that you see about these carriage houses is like the wider part is facing forward the same as the width of the house as opposed to just a narrow a narrow approach.

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>> I have a uh I have a >> I mean it would help if they were here and they could you know but they're not. So that's >> Is the um will the uh doors be uh carriage doors or is it going to

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be a roll down door? >> Um as in the rendering it looks like it's a standard roll down door. >> Okay. Yeah, originally the the garage was on the other side of the backyard and it was accessed on you know through a

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shared driveway with the the house to the left. Um and so from the road you couldn't see it from from the street. >> I mean it it I don't know what this means when they say in garage doors and ramps it

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says in the specs 9 by 7-ft legacy solid. So [snorts] if you go by the picture I can't even the picture is such bad quality I can't tell what the door looks like.

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>> Yeah, so 9 by 7 would just be one big roll down door basically. >> I'm assuming it's going to be a standard roll down door. And given that is facing the street it would be nice if I mean there are roll

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down doors that are constructed in such a way that they mimic carriage doors uh including the hardware so that at a glance from the street it would look like carriage doors. That would be that would be a better design for this

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property than a standard metal roll down door. >> Yeah. Particularly if it had windows in it. I don't know if that's if that shows on the rendering or not. >> Well, it does say that the door is

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solid. So, I infer no windows. >> Mhm. >> Which I think would be fine. I mean, frankly um in a carriage in the original garage that had the carriage doors. I don't think that had a windows in it.

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>> No. I don't remember windows. Do you, William? The the original >> Yeah, although I'm pretty sure that that garage is not the original carriage house for that house. That was uh That was built after, I'm pretty sure.

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>> Okay. >> From what I remember. >> Given the age that house, that's entirely possible. Um more thoughts? Recommendations? Comments? >> So, the out the exterior of it will be

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clapboard or what what will that look like? >> Good question. Structural details and siding. Smart tech siding. Okay, I infer that that's basically a plywood based

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product. Like T1-11. It's it's basically a a product that's used commonly on more contemporary homes. >> Okay, but it looks like clapboard or

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>> No. No, I think it'll look like vertical siding. I I Again, it's you know, a big problem with this is that we haven't been given a sample of siding. We haven't been given a sample or a clear picture of the

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garage door. We have comments on the picture of the roof. Um we have comments on the orientation of it. Um if if they get this done, you know,

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>> Yeah, they did um e- email me. I've been in communications with them up until, I believe, yesterday. Um and they did inform me that they were going to attend this meeting. >> All right.

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>> They asked for the time and the date um and the location. Um I provided them with all of that information and they're not here. Tonight's meeting time. They did ask for uh if they could bring samples, if there

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was extra cost and everything, and I told them all of >> more the more we discuss this, more I realize how little we've been shown. >> 7:30, so it's getting late for them to show up. >> Oh, oh, yeah, no, well, yeah, the

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meeting time is at 7:00 and I mean, that's >> Yeah. >> They've had the opportunity. Uh well, we can either make a recommendation as to things we would like to Again, we don't know what the siding is.

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Yeah, no. >> Would you um would you like for me to reach out to them again and maybe suggest possibly for them to do virtual if they want to come in virtual or drop

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>> why don't why don't we ask them >> for more materials? >> Yes, sam- we want samples of the siding, the roof shingles, the door. What else? >> well, the the other question I had was

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if this is an automatic garage door, they're not going to have the doors swing open manually, then doesn't that also suggest electrification of of a all wood shed which

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Yeah, but the concern is if it's just all wood and it's not following I know this is zoning things, but I'm concerned about the size where it sits on the property, how much clearance because I think there's a garage directly next to where it is on the next

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property, and if that's all wood and there's catalytic converters and stuff in there, I'm I'm worried not that I have to worry about it, but I am worried. >> A good question as to and that's not a HPC matter, but it's more of a

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zoning and permitted uses matter. Is a can a homeowner >> Mhm. >> buy a shed with a wood floor and use it as a garage?

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>> Um it's just a setback, so we look at like how far it is from the property line. >> we don't care that it's a wood floor. >> We don't care. >> Okay. >> That's that's probably is the building department construction code, but as long as within its setbacks

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>> Mhm. And has this gone before them? >> No. >> Does it have to? >> Um depends on the size. They don't look at anything under 100 square feet. >> Oh, this is bigger than >> Yeah, it's going to be bigger. >> So they will look at this. >> Yeah. >> Have they done that yet?

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>> No, not until they get out of zoning. So they have to get their zoning approval first. >> Oh, they don't Why? Because of setback? >> Yeah. They have to first come forward into zoning, get zoning, and then they'll get the >> So can we at least

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can we at least provide them with some preliminary concerns that we have? You know, to kind of >> Here's why. >> You know? >> You know, look, I said at the last meeting I built a garage on my property and I've been through this before.

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I don't think they want to informally ask the construction department, "Hey, you know, coming your way might be a request to put a prefab garage with a wood floor on a property." >> They'll stop them if if it doesn't

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conform to construction code. >> is this, if we know it's not going to pass there, why why not include that in this discussion here, so then when it goes to construction? >> They'll deal with it when they deal Yeah, they'll deal with it when they'll

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deal with it cuz they don't >> Okay. >> But I think >> waters when >> But I also think that one of the one of the hopes that I've expressed in the past is that if somebody is

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like we can have a conversation with applicants to make some suggestions rather than wait until it's a no. So I think that we should still reach out to these prop >> That's why I'm asking. Do you want

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>> The most >> me to reach out to them to say, "Since this is the second time we are um you were unable to come to the meeting, do you want to drop off your samples of

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your um materials? And then maybe maybe it's difficult. I think they both work in a city or something like that. So I think it maybe it's a thing about their timing to come call in virtually maybe and

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present what they have to do. Um maybe it's it's that type of a situation. >> Mhm. >> Can you actually text them right now? Maybe they're >> They're >> in transit or >> I understand. Having, you know, commuted

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through the city for many years and now 7:00 is a very early time. Um >> All right. Yeah. >> But at the end of the day, if they want to get something done, they they don't have to come here personally. They just have to give us enough information.

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>> Mhm. >> Make a recommendation, and they haven't done that. >> But is Shawna going to tell them our thoughts? Are you going to tell them our thoughts? >> I gave them the last recommendation the last time that we had I gave it >> What, on the roof pitch?

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>> Yeah, I gave it all of them. I gave them the picture that uh Liam I'm not Liam, but that Paul provided. I remember you guys. >> The old garage. >> Yeah, the old garage. I gave them the screenshot. I sent to all of that. >> And they made no changes after that.

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>> They didn't. Uh my last response Uh The meeting is again I can stop. I tried to make it. Uh I can pay again. That was the 16th. That was yesterday at

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1:25. They said no. And then they said at 1:30, they said >> Sorry, can't hear you. >> Oh, no, I was just reading through my email. >> So, the the other thing that you could

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reference is page 78 of the of the de- >> Gave them all of that. >> Oh, okay. Okay. All right, then moving on the Broad Street Historic District property owner consent letters.

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>> Oh, yes. Okay. Um So, for um as you all know, we did submit the grant to the Historic Trust for the Historic Heritage um tour grant. Um

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We are we're allowed to submit without the consent letters for the 50 properties. Um And uh we were giving that I've given that opportunity um to to submit the consent letters

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um after we submit the full submission. However, we have to submit the um the letters prior to them making their final decision, which is

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uh get in which is in August. Um And so the letter I have attached the letter um and the consent form that um I sent to Marin at River Center, who I'm working

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with um to reach out to the property owners that we know that are, you know, willing to um that we know would be more willing to sign it to get us the plaques. Um give us consent to put the plaques there.

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Um I know Marin's a little busy right now with the what the watch party that's kind of driving everybody a little crazy right now. So, once that's passed, um I'll be reaching out again to talk to her more. Um but I did get more consent um from

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John Anderson, who owns like several properties. I know um the Bauer family owns several properties in the downtown. Um uh so, I know a few of them that I can send it to um

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just on my own. Uh but uh that's there. I also have an interview after the um conference is over, this is the historic preservation conference is over. I do have an interview with the

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Historic Trust um about our two grant applications. Um the one for the um historic plaques and for the architectural survey and for a new um historic preservation element.

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I do have that interview, but that's to be scheduled after the conference. Um the representative uh did reach out to me and said uh she she's a little wrapped up with the conference. So, once that's all done, uh they'll be scheduling that just to have

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a uh conversation on our submission. Um >> So, what's the name of that person that you're going to be in talking with? >> Um I left the letter upstairs. Uh I forgot her name. >> Could you When you tomorrow morning when you're your office, could you text me?

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>> Sure. >> Just in case I find myself sitting at the table having lunch with somebody. >> Sure. She was very nice. Um and yeah, she it was like I felt like I spoke with her before last time, too. Um and she

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didn't make it seem like it was anything hard for us to get. Um >> Yeah, I just want to >> And she >> if [clears throat] she sees my name tag and you know, mention something. >> complimented us, too, on our application. Um and said that we uh I mean, our grant

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writers are always great. Um and uh she was very impressed with our our application. So. >> Also, if you could text me that um or email me. I know a lot of these people, so I'm really hoping I can go tomorrow

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and talk to >> Yeah, so so yeah, she did say that she was impressed with our application and we did put together a good packet. So. >> Okay. >> Okay. Perfect. Thank you. And moving to new business, 199 and 205

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Broad Street. >> [cough and clears throat] >> Okay, so for the minutes, um, Marjorie Cavalier is going to recuse herself from discussion and any vote to take place because I am a client for the property owner

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and have also, uh, gifted them a copy of our design guidelines. So, I'm going to remove myself from the dais now and then I'll come back for adjournment. >> So, uh, do you want to

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introduce this one as to since it came from >> Uh, sure. Um So, the 199-205 application is a zoning board application.

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Um, this property is not within the, um, Broad Street Historic Preser- uh, Broad Street Historic District, nor is it a, um, individual site historic site. However,

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um, it I believe in Paul's, um, email, uh, the >> in 2015. >> 2015. >> It's the same property. >> homes. >> Yeah, yeah. Right.

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>> Two of them next to each other and they're of the design that's common on >> On Broad Street. >> On Broad Street. And Maple also has a lot of these and a lot of them have been converted as have these into >> office buildings. >> office buildings housing, uh,

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professional offices. Uh, one of these two properties, I think it was 199, even though it's not designated historic, even though it's not a historic district, back in 2015, the HPC at that time

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granted some awards to a few homes to recognize uh good historic preservation efforts. And this 199 Broad Street was one of the buildings, one of the resources that received an award.

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>> Um, can you hear? I can't hear anything. Oh, you can't hear us. Can you hear us? Well, I can hear you, but I Yeah, going back to >> What I said >> Yeah, he was talking about them historic house.

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>> Okay, I'll repeat. Sorry. Can you hear me now? >> Yes. >> Okay. 199 and 205 Broad Street are not designated historic properties. They're

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not in a historic district. However, they are uh older Victorian homes of a style that was commonly built along Broad Street, um, that, you know, the

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South End of Broad Street, as well as along Maple. >> Mhm. >> And like many of the homes on both streets, these over the years were converted into professional use. So, they're you know, um, commercial use.

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So, they're now housing professional offices. Um, for example, Smallwood, uh, an asset manager is uh, you know, has offices in in in one of the properties. Um, although they're not designated historic

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and they're not in a historic district, um, one of the two properties, 199 Broad Street, um, was renovated uh, just over 10 years ago. And in 2015, the HPC at that time

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uh granted an award to that uh that building uh for, you know, outstanding historic preservation efforts, you know, in in terms of the work they did to bring that into the state it is today.

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So, uh you know, it it did get some HPC recognition in 2015. And uh although not designated, it's it it is an attractive uh property. Now, going before the zoning board now

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is an application to make pretty significant modifications >> Mhm. >> to the uh to both buildings, including building a bridge >> Connecting the two. >> connecting the two.

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Um and that's not come to us because it's not designated historic, it's gone to the zoning board. >> That is correct. Just the zoning board um because it's not within the HPC's jurisdiction, so it wasn't an oversight

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um that I wanted to make clear. That it wasn't an oversight on anyone's part, it's just that it wasn't in the juris um we my office reviewed the inventory um and to make sure make sure

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that uh the block, the lot, the address, everything um was not on any list and the historic preservation element and on the registry and um this property was not there mentioned at all. >> Yeah.

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>> Um so Paul sits on the zoning board, as you all know, and so he wanted to bring, as you all saw in the email, um um, bring it to the

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commission's attention that, um, the commission should have some type of commentary on, um, this proposal uh, because of the recognition that it

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received from the prior HPC in 2015. >> So, perhaps, maybe what we do and it when is the zoning >> Tomorrow. >> Tomorrow. Um, I mean I think that a productive thing to do would be to for

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us to recommend to the zoning board that although these two properties are not designated historic although they are not in a historic district um they

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both have elements and, uh, history and location, you know, they're they're on the same street as, uh, the historic district further up the street. They're they're not far from, uh,

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the house across from the post office that is designated historic. >> Mhm. >> Um I I I would just ask the zoning board to notwithstanding the lack of a formal historic designation to consider

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respecting um, the um current state of both properties and the historic elements of both properties and I'd ask them to favor um, preserving as much of the historic

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character of those two properties as possible as it relates to any other proposed changes. >> Okay. >> So so you know, minimize changes that

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would cause the properties to lose historical elements that they have now. >> I'll draft the letter. >> Yeah. >> With your exact statement. >> Okay. >> Um anyone have anything else to add? >> Is there are they interested in being designated

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as historic sites? Just out of curiosity or is this Paul is Paul does Paul own these or I'm not quite sure I understood what he was saying, but why if I appreciate what he's you know, bringing it to our attention. Um if they're interested in

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being historic sites, that might be something that we get started on as well. >> No, I think it's just he says he's >> Yeah, I know. Yeah, I'm both of >> I'm on the board. So it just

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>> I I I would expect that on the contrary whoever is interested in doing these making these changes probably >> doesn't >> is interested in not having them designated as historic >> Yeah, I figured that and one could dream

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if >> So um All right, yeah. And >> Yeah, what's the point of having the bridge? Is is that mean that the the properties will then be consolidated into one big property? >> Um

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>> I I I I haven't I assume no one has renderings. >> I think it is going to be consolidated and probably subdivided because um the two are going to join and then the

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back and then in the rear is going to be um residential. They're going to build a residential building in the back. >> Three sets. >> All right, that's >> Yeah. >> I mean, it just seems like you know,

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going backwards as far as trying to preserve the character of Red Bank. It's just they're cramming more in. They're you know, it's just >> Mhm. >> It's just I don't know. I I don't know how we can

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stop it. It's terrible and everybody I talked to is just horrified about it. So, I I don't know. I don't know what the answer is. >> All right. Well, I think I think we have our statement.

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>> Okay. >> I think it's a good statement. Yeah. >> Okay. >> All right. I would Do you want to do a formal vote or um do you just want to just do the statement? >> Um Oh, yeah. Why don't we have a

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resolution? Uh any anyone a resolution that favoring making the statement that I described? >> Yeah, I'll put it into motion. >> Okay. And do I have a second? >> A second. >> Thank you. Okay. And all in favor?

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>> Sorry, who made >> I. >> I think you should do a voice vote. >> Oh, fine. >> Made a motion. It was >> Uh >> Oh, did you make the motion? >> Liam made the motion. >> Yeah. letter. So, the motion is to send the letter to

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>> Mhm. >> Um Betsy Paul and then so, Louis Almerini >> Yes. >> And Marjorie Recuse Liam Collins

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>> I. >> Karen Smeskel >> Yes. >> And Betsy Valera. Okay. >> Any anything else to discuss? Public comments? Anyone else? >> Did we Sorry, did we have any feedback

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from the uh what uh Shauna and Christina presented to the council? >> Oh, um the ordinance was adopted. Um it becomes in effect in 20 days.

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I think it's 20 calendar day 20 calendar >> Okay, that's great news. >> Yeah. >> Congratulations. >> Oh, so the ordinance to um adopt I'm

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sorry, the ordinance to designate the um sites that are on the state and uh national registries um >> [clears throat] >> was adopted

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at the last council meeting. >> Okay, that's great. >> And so it take goes into effect in the next 20 days from that meeting. >> So is the master plan going to be amended? >> No, it's the ordinance is amended.

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>> Right, but now in the way the master plan reads as published, it just says TBA for for those >> It it doesn't matter because the ordinance is what rules. >> Okay, I mean it's just >> Yeah, the the it doesn't like the what

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dictates the the law and is the ordinance. >> I guess what I'm saying is that the master plan is available on the Red Bank site. And if you are changing something that's

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in the master plan, does some kind of note have to be made to somebody accessing the master plan that it has been amended, that is no longer as read in the master plan? >> No. Master plans are updated every 10 years.

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Every 10 years is updated, well, re-examined every 10 years. Um >> Okay. >> But the most important thing is that the ordinance is updated. And so when we adopted this ordinance,

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now it's incorporated into it. So people more so pay attention to the fact that the ordinance is changed and now it's going to be incorporated into it. I understand what you're saying, but that document is going to be outdated

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many a times because we're changing a lot more other things within it, too. So it over time it's going to be outdated because things are going to new policies are

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going to be changed. >> Okay. I I mean, I just didn't want it to fall through the cracks because I know how hard it was to try and figure out what was what in terms of the element and everything. >> going to be fall through the cracks because the It's adopted now as the ordinance. So as

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long as people know how to read an ordinance and that an ordinance is now law and is you now have know how to read code. >> Okay. >> It's It's in the code. >> And that that'll also be another thing we can check off on our our uh CLG check

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off list. >> Yes, so it's it's there now. >> Yeah, that's great, Shauna. Thank you. >> Yeah. >> So So that So when we're accumulating pieces for that, we would put this in there. Liam?

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>> For the checklist, yeah. >> application. For our application, we would physically put that ordinance in the application? >> Um at least Well, I think so. We have I think we do have

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to include the list um of um designated buildings, so that would be part of the list. >> So, I mean, as as something else to speak to them about, I mean, in terms of

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evidence required for this application would be a question. What kind of evidence do you have to attach to the application? >> The evidence would be the signed ordinance. >> So, yeah. >> So, I have a copy of that. >> Okay. >> [clears throat and cough]

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>> Okay. >> If there's no other business, do I have a motion to adjourn? >> I make the motion. >> Do I have a second? >> A second. Do I have a second? >> I'll second.

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All in favor? >> All in favor. >> Aye. >> Aye. >> Thank you, and good night. >> All right. >> Thanks, everybody. Good night. >> All right.