Hello. The Red Bank Historic Preservation Commission will hold a regular meeting on Wednesday, January 21st, 2026 at 7 p.m. at 90 Mama Street, Redbank, New Jersey. Adequate notice of this meeting has posted at Burough Hall, filed with
Burough Clerk and provide to the Asbury Park Press and the Two River Times. The commission has maintained a policy cut off hour of 8:30 p.m. for its hearings. Check to ending earlier. >> Uh shall we stand for the pledge of
allegiance? >> Aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation under God indivisible and justice for all. Marini
>> present. >> Marjorie Cavalier >> present. >> Sam Collins >> present. >> Paul Kagno >> present. >> Smells >> present. >> Anthony Satero absent. >> Michael White.
>> Betsy Valera. >> Matthew Cummings >> present. This being uh the first meeting of the new year uh the first uh matter to attend to is administrative. It's formalizing reorganization of the
commission for the year. Sha would like to >> Sure. >> lead us through that. >> Um can I get a nomination for the chairperson? >> I would like to nominate Lou uh to be
reappointed. I'll second that. >> Are there any other nominations? >> I'd like to nominate Marjorie for vice chair. >> Oh, wait. We're doing chair. Sorry. >> Sorry. Sorry. >> Okay. If there's no other nominations,
then we will move for the vote. Okay. Marjorie Cavalier, >> yes. >> Sam Collins, >> hi. >> Paul Cno, >> yes. >> Karen Schmemell, >> yes. Michael White, >> yes.
>> Bera, >> yes. >> And Matthew Cummings, >> yes. >> Thank you. And then you'll take it over if >> um I could if you'd like. >> Yeah. >> Uh >> I just get you into the spot. Go ahead. >> Thank you. Um the next position is uh
vice chair. Do I hear any nominations? Nominate for vice chair. >> I do. Do we have a second? I'll second. >> Do we have any additional nominations? >> Oops.
>> Can we put it to a vote? >> Marie, >> yes. >> Liam Collins, >> hi. >> Paul Kagno, >> yes. >> Yes. >> Michael White, >> yes. >> Valera, >> yes.
>> And Matthew Cummings. >> Matthew. >> Yes. Thank you. Um, third position board secretary. May I have a nomination? >> Wouldn't that be Shauna? >> Yeah, you still have to
>> Oh, all right. I nominate Shauna. >> Second. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Any others? Shall we put it to a vote? >> Lois Almarie, >> yes. >> Marjorie Cavalier, >> yes. Dam Collins.
>> Hi. >> Paul Kagno. >> Yes. >> Smells. >> Yes. >> Anthony Sero. >> Oh, he's not here. Sorry. Michael White. >> Yes. >> Betsy Bolera. >> Yes. >> And Matthew Cummings. >> Yes.
>> Thank you all so much. >> Thank you all. Fourthly, uh nomination for board attorney. Uh may I have a first nomination? I nominate show.
>> I second that. >> Louisis Al Marie, >> yes. >> Marjorie Cavaler, >> yes. >> Collins, >> hi. >> Paulo, >> yes. >> Smells. >> Yep. >> Michael White, >> yes. >> Betsy Valera, >> yes.
>> And Matthew Cummings, >> yes. for official newspaper. Historically, it's been the Two River Times and the Osprey Park Press. Uh you're welcome to either um nominate those or suggest an
alternative. Do I have any first? >> I just have a question and I don't know Shauna. Um how about the streaming things that we like red bank green and >> they don't have um it's there's like a
legal matter that legal thing that they don't have. They have to have like certain amount of insurance um insurance coverage. So it has to be like an official that can print online and um and hard copy. Oh, so
>> so it has to be something that appears in print. >> And so when they do report on our meetings, it's basically if they're either here or watch the Zoom and then they >> Yeah. So this is for like our calendar
or any um like meeting notice to be on their on the um on the legal notice section >> to notify them >> to notify the public. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Thank you. >> And also, uh, it's changed.
Um, there's a new law that just came out, um, happened like in December, really, um, that our legal notices have to be on the burrow's website under a section that is strictly designated only >> I don't think your microphone's on.
>> Um, a section that is strictly only designated for all legal notices. So, if you go on the website, there's like a um on the side there's a tab where it says legal notices and you can all the meetings for like council the legal notices for council, for planning board,
zoning board, um historic preservation, they have to be posted on the website and then it will also be posted when the SEC um the state gets it together. It'll also be posted on the state's website. All legal notices for every municipalities is a
new requirement >> as of sorry as you you said as of >> as of Jan as of January >> effective January 1st >> January 1 but the state website isn't ready yet. So it's ready.
>> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Great. Thank you. >> So that doesn't really require a nomination or anything. >> No, it's approving it. >> Yeah. Um, so a motion. We need a motion. >> I move
>> take a vote to approve it >> and a second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I then the uh meeting calendar. >> Now the meeting calendar was provided with the materials. It is my
understanding, Sean, please confirm that the schedule like this past year is every third Wednesday. >> Correct. Unless it's a special meeting. >> Agreed. So, uh again, it this was the
exact dates were provided with the the meeting materials. Do I have a motion to approve those dates? >> I just have a question. So, They are all continuing to be the third
Wednesday of the month. Are there any exceptions because of legal holidays or anything like that? >> No. >> Anything like that coming up in 2026? >> No. Um uh we double checked and cross reference all the holidays, Jewish holidays. Um
nothing else falls with it. The only exception is the November meeting. um that falls on the week of the league where if anything happens myself nor will Michelle be available. Um so I took that meet the November meeting off
because that's the week of >> so actually to be clear there are only 11 meetings yeah on this on the schedule. There is no meeting currently scheduled for November. Although obviously if we were to get to September or October and felt the need to meet
during November, we could do what we did. >> Yeah. We'll do a special >> a few months ago and do a special meeting. >> Uhhuh. >> So >> I need a motion. >> We need a motion to approve the schedule and a second. Do I have a motion?
>> Motion. >> Thank you. Second. Sorry. >> Thank you. >> That was Matthew or Paul. >> Okay. All in favor? >> I The next three things to approve are the uh
memberships of the minor works review committee, River Center leazison, and historic sites committee. Let's start with the minor works review committee. Could you just um for the record list the people that are currently on that committee?
>> So the members of the U minor works committee are Liam Lou and Paul >> that's currently on it unless change. >> I nominate all three people.
Do I have a second? >> Second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> And then the um representative for River Center is Karen. >> I'm gonna nominate Anthony Satero.
>> Oh, and Anthony. >> No, I am going to nominate Anthony Sat. >> Oh, you're nominating Anthony. Okay. >> Yes, I am. I think he has a better chance of working with that. >> Perfect. >> Just a practical question. Does Anthony
know you're nominating him? >> Oh, yes. Yes. >> Oh, okay. So, I'll second that. >> Okay. >> And all in favor? That's right. >> Hi. >> And then the historic sites committee um
that consists of Karen, Anthony, and um Marjorie >> and also we have been including Marian Center. >> That was because we were working on the design guidelines, but she's not. >> Yes. So, I just wanted to make clear
that going forward that at this point and we'll talk about some things in uh under the reports and new business. So, I could see >> that group continuing with some tasks
uh for 2026. >> Okay. Oh, um Anthony actually is not going to make it tonight. His daughter's sick. Sorry, that's what I was reading. Um, so can I get a motion for that to approve the same people? If
>> I motion, I move to approve the same people. >> And a second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Okay. Thank you. I think that takes care of the reorganization of the commission.
Moving to the next topic, uh meeting minutes. The last meeting was the special meeting of November 12th. Um the minutes were provided with materials. I think there were some minor >> Yeah, I made the changes
>> that you made um that Paul and I know about because they affected parts of it that discuss what the two of us have discussed. Uh, do I have are there any comments on the minutes or do I have a
motion to approve it? As >> it's not working, but I think we can all hear it. >> I don't have any white lights, but I can just use my >> You going to get it? >> Get it? Yeah, it does. Okay, I think now
you >> Oh, that's what happened. >> Okay. Yeah, it's not plugged in. >> Yeah, you should be working now. >> Okay, that's it. >> Um,
I will only say that I'll abstain from voting on the minutes because I haven't seen it. Um, for whatever reason, I can't access uh the meeting minutes from November. Lou, you did have some corrections on something that I had said, which I think is about the window color,
>> not the house code. >> Yes. Um, there was a paragraph describing you expressing concern uh about the window color being black,
but it left out the word window. So, it just read as though you the discussion was about the house being painted black, which obviously was the case. >> Correct. Just putting the word window in there would fix it. >> All right. Thank you. >> Do I have a motion to approve the
minutes? Someone who's actually chance to see. >> I'll make a motion. >> Thank you. And I'll second it. >> And uh Paul, you're abstaining. All in favor? >> I >> and Matthew will abstain.
>> Okay. >> Thank you. >> And now we move to the reports of the three uh subcommittees starting with the minor works new committee. >> No. Oh. Uh. Oh, here it is. Sorry.
>> Okay. Um the minor works committee uh reviewed four applications over email. Um we reviewed 60 Broad Street, 74-76 Mammoth Street, and 137 Broad Street for
all for signage. They were all approved. 60 Wallace. Um several members actually um had pointed out to me that they were um they had conducted some improvements to their porch without first being um
receiving uh approval from this commission. We had sent out um code enforcement to do a stop work um and for them to come in and um submit a formal
application, but by then they had already, you know, had almost finished near finished the work. Very nice gentleman. Um came in and he filed the paperwork and the minor works committee reviewed it and found that there wasn't any real significant change. They were
just doing repairs um to the porch, but because of how badly it was rotted, it looked like they were taking it down um and doing more than what they needed to do. Um so the minor works committee decided to approve that. Um
>> I just have a question. Um why why didn't they go through the process? Did anybody ask them why they didn't go through the process? >> Uh Paul, I think did you speak to them? >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> All right. So um he actually called me
after he meaning the owner called me after um after code went out went out and saw that he you know the Porsche was being ripped off. So um I guess to Mary's point I'm also curious how it got
approval by code. Um how did they issue a permit without saying hey you live in the historic district you need to go to historic first. me. He was done for the most part. And I had told him when he called me, I said, "Yeah, you're supposed to you should have been told when you went for your construction permit that you
need to go speak to his store because you're ripping your porch off." And he knew, he said, "Oh, I I would have, but they never told me that I had to." Um, and then he started talking about an emergency and I had to do this and I had to do that. and and I said, "That's all well and good, but you should have been
told um that you needed to run by the historic what exactly you're doing before you rip off your porch in the historic district." So, he was very nice and kind, but he was just kind of played it as though he had no idea he was supposed to come. So, I think the Mary's point is how does he get a permit from
code? Code doesn't recognize somehow. So, maybe we should set something up that when someone comes in to rip off a porch in historic that code can say, "Hey, you need to go to historic." >> Let's see. building department that issues I'm not calling person um >> but usually and and this is like a
regular that they do kick back almost every application so I'm not sure what happened where the disconnect happened because usually they always um ask even for uh to check with zoning for anything
like for simple things too um they they always kick people back first to check with zoning so I'm not sure why um he because he didn't even file, sorry, he didn't even file a zoning permit um for the porch repair. So, which would have
triggered them me to look and see um whether or not they were historic property or not in a historic um district. So, I'm not sure where the disconnect in communication. Maybe the way he how he phrased it in the building department said, you know, but usually I'm very surprised that um in this
instant that they didn't send them straight across the hall because that's what usually they always do. like everyone has always said, um, we can't get permits because, um, building department wants me first to check with you and then I would have to like sign off as a zoning officer, sign off on
their application if I don't need, um, a zoning application. So, again, I'm not entirely sure what happened there. >> Um, Paul, do you know how long they've owned the property? Did they mention it in your conversation at all? >> No, I do know when they I was living at my house when they purchased it. So
they've been there maybe not quite a decade. You know, he doesn't live there now. He he rents. >> Okay. The reason the reason I asked that, if as some of you may recall, the first year that I was on the commission, I did a walkabout on the element as it
existed then. And then we followed up with sending a letter to every property owner reminding them that they were in a historic district and that this was the process. So, I don't didn't know doesn't watch with
me at all because we did send out something in writing to everybody on that list. So, I mean, going forward, you know, is that somebody who who is not a I could see if it's a new property owner somewhat because there are signs
on every corner in that area that they're in the historic district. So, you know, it's it's kind of disappointing to me that people continue to do it and then say, "Oh, I didn't know." So, I mean, it's I feel like we're always going to get that,
honestly. Um people like to ask for forgiveness a lot and it um when it comes to doing work um I've had the instance just for example I mean it's not in a historic district but I have where a business owner he ordered the
sign a sign that was non-conforming and was ready to put it up and then it wasn't until after he put up um he submitted his zoning application I denied it because of um some of the features and he was like oh I already
bought the sign and I'm and I was like it doesn't conform to anything. He was just like, well, I already bought the sign. Can't you just let me put it up? So, I get that a lot. This is this is not going to be your first time and everyone knows, you know, he knew to file the zoning application,
>> but he just didn't wait to order the signage, right? >> So, I'm I'm I don't think there's anything we can do more than what we did. We we have a very elaborate um uh method of getting the word out. And
again, um no fault to the building department. I feel like it's what was said in their interaction that they may have just said, you know, gave them the permit. It may have been that it's an emergency because one thing that um the building department, well, the construction code official overrides
everything. So, if they say that it's an emergency um repair that needs to be done, they can get it without getting first the zoning approval and then they have to come back and get the zoning approval. So, that may have been it that they use the word emergency.
>> Yeah. And then where term of art that I know might feel like was given to them, you know, by the builder or the contractor to say, "Hey, you know, maybe we don't need a permit. It's an emergency." >> Yeah. Right. Um, so with that being
said, uh, he did finish it. Um, I couldn't tell. It looks nice. Um, but I couldn't tell if the railing actually is the same style or a little bit different. It looks a little bit different. It It looks like he basically
did the same thing. Yankee gutters are gone, though. He's going to put he's going to wrap it in um regular gutters, which I don't imagine we would have discussed that. Um, so it looks like it was professionally done. He looked at the roof a little bit, you know, so it was quite a
project. Um, as compared to a broken step that's an emergency needed to be done and it was a ripoff, >> but I guess thank goodness it was done nicely. One comment I have and this is beyond scope beyond the scope of this
commission but it affects this commission and and others all the way up to mayor and council. Is there software out there like an application that could be you know a process management system? So if someone
comes to cons so have every address in redbank in there and tagged what's historic someone comes from a historic district and goes to construction says I want to do this construction puts it in the system and it pops up this is
historic and it basically stops every has to go through >> instead of relying on people. So we do it we do have our right now our system that we have to process application it it goes between all three departments um
building department fire marshal uh code enforcement and zoning um it doesn't pop up that it it's historic pops up whether or not they have um zoning approval so my office kind of holds all the keys
>> I'm talking about a more nuanced way of doing it And in a way that is it puts everything Yeah. >> in in the application. >> So that once if the tagging is done right, >> uh any request coming into any
department will immediately flag and send notices to >> police department only looks for if they have zoning approval. If zoning signs off on it or doesn't sign off on it, they just they don't issue a permit no
matter what. Mhm. >> So if they go into our So the program that we use right now is SDL through all departments. >> Mhm. >> And if they go on SDL and they search the address, if they don't see a zoning approval,
>> and we actually require all um applicants to provide the building department with a copy of the zoning approval um when they go for building permits. So it automatically pops up when they search and they see um that there's no zoning
It just doesn't show that it's historic. It really all of that the the factchecking happens back in my department >> which handles the zoning of peripheral so it all goes together. >> Okay. Um apologies because we kind of
went off the minor work a little bit but just to clarify going forward back. >> Yeah. So okay. >> Thank you. any anything else to report from my works or move on? >> Um, just a brief update. I don't know if
this is actually going to happen. Um, I know everyone had mentioned the I forgot what building it was on Broad Street. Um, the one that painted without >> the register building. >> Yes, the register build. >> Um,
they have gotten several fines. They haven't been showing up to court. Um well, yeah, they haven't been showing up to court. They have received several court dates and they refused to show up. I've actually talked to the um the architect and he was just like, I don't
know what the building owner is doing um because he knows that he was supposed to file an application and he knows he has all these court dates, but he refuses to show up. So, I think like the most recent court date, um, the judge is pretty frustrated, prosecutor's pretty
frustrated. So, I think they're about to do I don't know what they're about to do, but they kind of had it with them because they haven't been showing up and they say that they're going to show up, but they don't show up. >> So, it seems to me since they did so many renovations on it, don't they need a CO before they can rent it or
anything? >> I'm pretty sure. So either hold the CO >> I I can't hold it >> anymore as a as a penalty. >> I don't think the building the building department works within the uniform construction code. So whatever they say
like whatever the rules are for them. They can't hold up like a whatever. I don't know how it really works 100%. Um, but all I know is there's a lot of fines that's happening because they have yet
to show up to court one and submitted an application to us for um work that they've done. They just haven't been showing up to court. >> Okay. So, can we put that um under old business so we remember to ask about it
in future meetings? Sure. Okay. Thank you. River I guess it's still a report from Karen. >> Yes. Karen a report on the river center. >> Well that's the issue. I have no report.
I think we need to set up the the uh conditions for this um liaison because Marin will occasionally send me something about assign but I know that there have been meetings and afterwards
I've mentioned and she's apologetic but not take I'm not quite sure whether she and I have a a communication issue or that she's just got it's not in her horizon. in but I think we need to sit
down with her and say what are you going to do or how are we going to do this do does the liaison come to every meeting um at least to the visual um the vic meetings which is the visual committee um and I so that has to be
done because it's an afterthought um there were issues of course with the historic committee in terms of what her connection with that. So Shauna, it would be a good thing to to really clear
that up so that she has an understanding that it's not just arbitrary, but it's an actual connection between us. Be when I did talk to her, she said, "Well, I'm she wasn't quite sure either. Give her the benefit of what the connection's
supposed to be and >> happy to take that child. I'll be work on that." Good. >> And then and then you'll pass that information on to Anthony since he'll be taking over.
>> Okay. >> Okay. So, I'm up next. Um All right. So, everybody has a copy of of the published guidelines. Um I just want you to know that a hard copy, a library ready copy, two library
ready copies will be given to the Redbank library when they're available. Um the survey of properties has been completed uh the committee minus Marin because the
uh surveys are not something that she was involved in. Um it's 250 pages >> and we're having our final Zoom meeting on Friday with Stephen. Um and uh it it
then will be submitted to the state because they are the ones because they funded most of what was done here in Redbank and as a condition of that funding that's when we added the surveying of
historic properties to it. So once the state responds that it is it is acceptable and it is available. I I think it was sent out to everybody again 250 pages. So let me just say if you
haven't gotten to it, it follows the similar format in the beginning. It does get a little bit of history. It doesn't go into the detail about the style of buildings as much as the design guidelines did. Um, and then the rest of
it is is just um a format that the state requires. And so that will also go to the library, two copies of the library. And and we I think will be the only ones that get a copy of that. And like the design
guides, it would be my recommendation, especially if we know that one of those properties is on the agenda to make sure that you review the research that that Stephen did before uh coming to the meeting. I mean, I'm not saying you have
to lug around 250 pages all the time, but at least it's a reference if if you look at the agenda and you know that it's that it's there. Um, so I am very happy with Stephen's work
on this and I know that we're going to talk about some things in new business about other projects we want to do going forward in Redbank. So I'll I'll wait until that's under new business. But um I I would highly recommend him and and
encourage him to submit if we get additional uh grants or funding to do more projects here at Grand Bank. So >> I Oh, go ahead. >> I was going to say is the um are the guidelines and the surveys available online? So we could point Let's say
>> Yeah. So I was actually gonna add um so first for the guidelines um council did first reading at the last meeting. Um so the we're ready for there and first reading and so second reading will happen tomorrow and tomorrow will be
fully adopted into our um um into our historic preservation ordinance. So that makes it really legal um and gives it the teeth that you guys were hoping for. Um, and it'll be nice to know that today I did get a call and someone had a
question about um, standards for the um, design overlay district, which is the Broadway historic um, district. And I pointed them straight to our design guidelines and they were very happy about that. >> I'm not sure what they were planning on doing, but they
>> Yeah, they were referenced to it. Um, >> and was very happy about it. um the design guidelines. If you go on the burrow's website under commissions um and boards, uh you scroll down to
historic preservation page. Um I did do a little revamping of it just making it more um it flows better. Um so I've added the um design guidelines which there is a tab for design guidelines and it's a brief description. I I showed um
Lou actually there's a brief description of what the design guidelines are and the purpose of it. There is a presentation um that le that um >> Stephen the library along with that PowerPoint and then it's a copy of the um design
guidelines. So it's very much if anyone wants to know how to use it which that's what the um presentation at the library was mostly about was how to use the design guidelines. So if they want to refer back to the video um that is there for them as good reference. So that
section is there. Then on the other hand with the um architectural intensive architectural survey once we get the final draft I will have that uploaded onto the website under the historic preservation commission's page. If you
look there now, um there is another tab that has to do with um the architectural survey. Um that has to do with surveys of properties. So it consists of the um Mammoth County survey that was done um that is on the Mammoth County website
and historic website that's also there. Um and this new intensive survey that Stephen did will be uploaded once we have the final draft and it's approved by this commission. Um also what else is on my page? Um the list of
the inventory is also there. So there's another tab that has the inventory there too and it describes there. So um I kind of organized it a little bit better. Um now that we have these these uh important documents that that's being done.
>> So um with that said, we don't have any old business. So, as a followup to what we the the foundation that we've established uh over the last year, and I guess um this would be highlighted in our annual report to the council as as
one of our accomplishments this year. So, under new business, um do you want to talk about that or should I just talk about what we >> I can talk about it. Okay. Um,
as you all know that we uh were able to do the work of the intensive survey and the design guidelines through the historic trust grant. Um, I had reached out to our grant writer to look into
applying again um for us to possibly and this is again all up to the board um to say what our scope of work would be but um to do either well I approached it as um doing updating our historic
preservation element. the element is not very um it's it's not very comprehensive as I've seen other towns um historic element and um being done and it's not like very
directed f focus and with goals um so I'd like to ask the commission that if we do apply for the grant again um that we update our historic preservation element which is actually a goal in our master plan is to get is to to work on
that. Um and then as I was speaking to Marjorie, she was uh she also mentioned that in the um architectural survey that um Stephen is working on, he will also
provide um a a recommendation for us to do another section of an intens of Redbank for an intensive survey. So, um, we can apply for the grant to do another intensive survey and or do the historic
element. >> And and the other thing I don't know and I'll open this piece up for conversation. Um, as you travel around the country and in Europe, if somebody has had this kind of intensive survey done, there's
usually some kind of memorialization of it on the building. doesn't have to be big, you know, just basically some kind of plaque that gives some information about the building, when it was constructed, maybe the
builder. I'm I'm not sure how far we go, but uh Shauna says that's also something that we could look out and see in these intensive surveys that were just completed or will be completed. Um, and
then how do how do we approach those property owners? Does the river center somehow uh join in with the funding? Because they tend to be in the business they they're all in the business district. Doesn't have to be a big
plaque, but just kind of somebody walking down would get an appreciation for when that building was established and maybe who designed it or or whatever. just to kind of look into it as as something going forward. So, I don't know. I'd be interested in seeing,
you know, what people think about that. >> Would it be attaching like a QR code that people can look up on their phone? >> It could be it could be anything. I mean, you know, if you had a QR code and and some of you who are aware that I
worked on with kids from it high um about the walking tours in town that on that sign there is a QR code to kind of link you into the tours and stuff and one's at the train station and the other is at Riverside Gardens. you know, there
there could be a QR code, but you know, at a minimum, uh, just the fact that if they were all uniform plaques and had nothing, even if it was just the date, the building, and the the designer or the first occupant or whatever, that would be open. But it would be dependent
upon if we could get some funding for that, you know, because we are not fun for the new members. We we do not have a budget. So we would need >> You do have a budget. There is a budget. >> Oh, we have a budget.
>> Well, your budget is mixed in with the budget for um like the planning board, zoning board. It it's through my department. So I try to set like a good b. >> So it's like basically training though. >> Yeah. Training and if there needs to be
like gap funding um for any grants that we apply for. So I try to think ahead. Um so for example the um historic trust grant >> um we were responsible for I believe
15,000 >> um that gap that was our gap funding. So um yeah so I we do have a budget I have to plan >> corrected but you know didn't think we had a lot of money to talk about. No, we
don't have a lot of money to talk about, but um there is some money. >> Okay. So, so that's that's where you know if everybody approves um that's where um I think we should expend some energy
in the next year going forward. So, I plan to um reach out to again the grant writer to see if he can um his team can find um look out for grants for any um historic placards or things like that.
>> Okay. Thank you. I know that and I can't remember the name but um we got the information this website we go on and it's I think it's through the development people uh do you know what
I'm talking about and they do signage and things like that and uh I will come back with the information once it enters my brain but hold on a second let me save my computer that may take care of some of any issues there? But
>> okay, so I guess just adjourn. >> Um any comments from anyone listening including if any online if there are any members of the public on anything on the discussed on the agenda or not?
>> No. Okay. All right. Then uh do I have a motion to adjourn? >> Motion. Do I have it? >> All in favor? >> I >> I thank you and good night. >> Thank you.
>> Thank you, >> Christina. How are you feeling?