Good evening. The Redbank Historic Preservation Commission will hold a regular meeting on Wednesday, May 20th, 2026 at 700 p.m. at 90 Mama Street, Redbank, New Jersey. Adequate notice of this meeting has been posted at Burough Hall, filed with the
Burough Clerk, and provided to the Asbury Park Press in the Two River Times. The commission has maintained a policy cutoff hour of 8:30 p.m. for its hearings. Please rise for the pledge of alle allegiance.
Thank you. Roll call. >> Louisis Al Marini >> present. >> Marjorie Capalier absent. Liam Collins >> present. >> Paul Kagno. >> Paris Smells. >> Anthony Satero absent. Michael White
absent. Matthew Cummings >> present. >> And Betsy Valera present. >> Thank you. The uh minutes of the meeting of April 15th have been were distributed in advance with the materials to uh the
members. Do I have a motion to approve them? Thank you. A second. >> I'll second. Thank you. >> All in favor? >> I I >> um next uh report from the minor works
review committee. the minor works committee um was not able to meet until notice um as per recommendation uh by our board attorney. Um and so
during that this break um we have decided to meet every second and fourth Wednesdays at 900 a.m. um virtually on Zoom. the meeting was noticed um and
sent to the paper and is posted on our um website. The notice is posted on the bureau's website. So going forward, those are the dates that we will be meeting. Um if there's no meeting um or no applications, then the meeting is just cancelled but um without any notice
but it's advertised and it will be held via Zoom. We will not be accepting public comment but it's just a discussion and and approval of the applications. >> Thank you Shauna. Uh river center leazison zone. Uh I
believe Anthony is not >> here to report. Okay skip that. uh historic sites designation. I believe I'm not sure the the group did anything any report anything to report.
>> Yes. >> Watching them online. >> Yes. >> And I could not figure out is there a new membership for the historic site or are they the old members continuing >> that? So, you're asking whether or not
they're um if it's the same committee that's on the historic sites designation and the CLG designation. No. So, two uh another committee was then formed two weeks ago, I guess. No, two two meetings
ago. >> Yes. >> Okay. And uh I think the same for the surf for the CLG designation committee. Nothing nothing to report. >> I think Liam had >> Oh, Liam. Yeah.
>> Um so I think Christina and Shauna presented the um the list to the council for their first review. Mhm. >> Um so I I don't maybe Shaunie it'd be better to give an update on what
happened in that meeting. So, at the last council meeting, which was last week, um the ordinance was introduced to amend the existing um zoning ordinance, which is the historic which the historic preservation ordinance is included in um to include
the sites that are designated um by national on the national registry and on the state registry. Um so that's up for first reading and then at the next uh the process is that at the um next
planning board meeting which be which would be June 10th I believe um it will be reviewed for master plan consistency the ordinance um because it's amending the zoning ordinance and then it'll be
at the next council meeting after the 10th. I'm not sure what meeting that is. um it would be the 11th because it's always preceding a a planning board meeting is is a council meeting. Um so at the 11th
at the June 11th council meeting that's when it's the um second reading and adoption of the ordinance. So that's the process. >> Okay. Thank you. Liam, anything to add to
that? >> Is your is your microphone on? >> Oh, sorry. So, uh that we need to uh certify the resumeumés of everyone and also to make sure that everyone's done five hours of
training um by the application time which is next March. >> Okay. >> Yeah. All right. If there's nothing else to report, um there is nothing on the agenda for old business, so we can go
straight to new business. And the first item on the agenda, which is Mammoth Boat Club, also known as 31 Union Street. Andy and team, >> um you could use the handheld mic right there.
>> Yeah. Put slide up if you want. I can I can startle while you while you fool with that. Um, first of all, I want to thank the commission for the support over three years and us getting finally getting this project underway. You wrote letters every year and you've always been supportive and that very much
helped us getting the grant this year and getting the project going. And we really we really appreciate that. Uh it we were never dinged on having having local support. That was one of the strong points. We had other issues with the application over the two years, but and and the competitive nature of that
thing is pretty insane, too. But we had other issues uh and we overcame them, but we always had support and that meant a lot. So we really appreciate that. Just introductions. Charles Chichester is our engineer from Millsur. We'll talk a little bit about them. He'll be doing most of the presentation after I do the
introduction. Brian Bugby is our vice commodor. Bob Kent, member of the committee and our expert sort of on local matters. He's he served a bunch of place and my wife Jeannie came with me just cuz I promised her dinner.
Um, so we're just going to go through very quickly. I'm going to go through very quickly the first couple of slides, a scope overview, project recap, and then Charles is going to take over. And as many details as you want to get into on the project, we're we're prepared to do. And obviously if you have questions afterwards, we're happy happy to do that
too. So ne next slide I guess it's simple. We're going to take a 140 year old building, going to move it 50 ft, going to put a foundation and move it back and we're done. Okay, it's not a big deal. Um it it it is a big deal actually. Uh and the foundation is is
failing and we're really essentially we're repairing the foundation. At its essence, this is a repair job. It's not we're not trying to do anything to the building. We're not trying to make any changes to the building except where we have to. You'll see there's some flood vents. There's some things going in
there that that are part of the National Park Service thing. We have flood vents internally going in. Um but all we what we're doing is we move the building back. We replace the bulkhead because that's pretty much at end of life. We um
install the 60 helical piles and we put the building back. The first floor dock I talked a little bit about we have a dock on the first floor that's that dock is going to have to be replaced. The second two decks will stay in place. So there's no restoration there. Um then we
repair any damage and we hold a party because we're all done. Ne next next slide. I want to go through these quick cuz it's in recap. So we we started I don't have the dates here. About four years ago we had a uh competition. We went out to a bunch of architectural
firms and Mills and Snoring were by far the best the best response and I've been a good partner ever since then to be honest. They've really been a good partner and we're working with them uh very closely and their engineering firms to get this done. It's it's at heart an engineering project but there's a big
architectural component in the historical architects. That's what we had to had to go for. Um soon as mills and touring came on board we got the plans and an estimate created. We have an estimate from a professional estimator that we've been using. Uh we got it took a long time, but we got
CAFRA permits and Army Corps of Engineer approval. We needed both of them to get the job done. Uh and at that point, we got the grant from the state at the end of September of last. U the trust has recently approved our plans. The uh the trust, you'll see the letter in there.
Um there's waiting one signature from the state historical commission. The trust has a uh me memorand it's in the container of the letter has a memorandum of understanding with the uh folks at the state his and essentially the state historical preservation commission takes
the word of the trust and they do the work and they just sign it on the basis of thisou that they've done. Um so we've just released bids for we've qualified vendors and done all these crazy other things. We've just released the construction bids about a week ago and
we had people there uh this week today. We had the vendors there. Three vendors are um qual or m met some minimum level of qualification. We're trying to get them to give us more information about how they qualify. All three of the vendors we believe can do the job. There's some concern about meeting state
standards and things and some of them will meet them but they need to tell us that. We've having some pulling teeth issues with that. Um, and we're going to start construction in the fall of 26 and the plan is to be back in there for this for the 27th season. So, that's kind of where we're that's kind of where we're
at. Um, we expect bids back at the beginning of June. And with that, I think I'll turn it over to uh Charles to to go through. Next slide, I guess. >> Yeah. Um,
yeah, we can go back to the forward one, the photo, the first photo. Where was that? Yeah, there's a that's the second photo. Yeah. Oh, there it is. Okay. So, this is the boat house from the water and you can see how close to
the water it is here. Um like he um Andy had said, it's it's about a foundation uh rehabilitation. Um but going through that process of rebuilding the foundation um it was decided to lift the building some and
there was a lot of back and forth on the lifting and we settled on 21 in above where it is now. That'll bring the first floor out of tidal flooding for the most part um but not out of 100year floods
and things like that. So that's why we've added all the vents on the lower floor, 25 uh flood vents that are stainless steel and they will open automatically to let the water in and out uh when a flood event occurs. Um but
in that lift of 21 in um our stairs and ramps had to grow some not extravagantly but enough that we wanted to uh you know make sure we covered all that. So, we still have accessibility to the first floor. Um, we had an option to go a
little bit higher. Um, but you know, then the ramping gets much longer and into the property where all the boats and everything else are stored. So, we settled on that 21 in and we think that's the that's the right choice at this point. Um, but in that lift, um,
you know, like I said, new stairs, some new railings, um, new ramps, new, uh, railings there. Um, the style you can see on this waterfront picture that shows all the railings on the balconies there, that's the style we we intend to
duplicate on anything we do for our stairs or ramps. Uh, it's a very utilitarian design and is worked on constantly. Um, but you know what's nice about it, it is simple enough that just general DIY and and the club members can
do that work. Um, it's all wood railing system at this point and painted. Um, for the decking surfaces, we want to use a composite decking for durability. They have some of that now. Um, and we want
to replicate that. It's in a gray. uh doesn't stand out but uh should last uh longer. Um and uh one other aspect I'd like to talk about is around the perimeter of the building now that it if
you can go to the next photo please. Um you can maybe the next photo after that. Okay. Uh this is a great photo. This is the main entrance here. You can see that this building sits right on top of the Macadam. You know, there's a few steps to get into the front door, but
that uh cedar shingle goes right down to the macadam. So, when we lift this up 21 in, we're going to have a gap between the first floor and the macadam. And that's where we intend to add some louvers. And I think you might have seen those in the drawings. They show up um
in the elevations and in some details. And that louver system is just allow uh open enough to allow water in and out. There's a metal stream keep fish from getting under the building and getting trapped during a
flooding event. Um, and that system is also built out of a composite material, a PVC uh trim material, so that will not come apart with all the water. Um, and besides that, around these flood
vents and anything that might happen during the move, there's going to be some cedar shingle replacement and we want to replace in kind um and some lights u for our new ramp that that will be on the east side. Um maybe
uh the next photo. Okay. Yeah, you can see there's some ramping on this side already. Uh this is between the boat house and the park. um going east there. Uh and this is still going to be our side where we're going to do all our ramping and come up
on this side. But because of this ramp, we also want to provide some more lighting uh on this for safety. And I think uh we we uh gave you a product cut on that light. It's a brass um nautical themed with a hood on it so it's not
shining everywhere else that it doesn't need to. Um and it and it'll age in well. So that's our thoughts on the lighting. So that's the go ahead. >> The surface here, the new decking, will that be the composite material?
>> Yeah, that that'll be the composite. >> What's there now? What? >> It's it's that a pressuret treated lumber. >> Yeah, probably. Okay. The one of the things that gives a lot
of confidence is that the building survived sand. One of the reasons it did was because left side come out and help put pressure on the building survived without foundation
and now you know 189 building 1890 1930 that's even 1930 they laid bill foundation very important
I've got the pleasure of being inside the building and I noticed that a lot of the floors were pretty slanted. So when you put the new foundation, will that straighten up the floors on the upper? >> Well, that that that was a question that came up with the contractors today, too.
Um when they lift it up, they have to be very careful that they don't damage the building. I mean, it it is somewhat fragile. Um, if the floors get a little bit more level, that would be great. But, you know, in some cases, you're it's it's settled that way and some of
the timbers are already compromised in that direction. So, if anything, it will get more level. But, uh, yeah, it does look like a boat deck. >> Part of the character, too. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Is there an elevation where we see the
new flood vents in the document? >> Yeah, there is. If you can go into those drawings. >> Just curious with the with the additional height at the base. Um what uh in for the expanse of the new exposed foundation in between the new vents,
what will that be? What will be that exterior cladding or material? >> Let's see. Oh, keep getting there. Yep. Keep going. Okay. There. Yeah. And if you can maybe zoom in on the bottom right hand image. Oh, that's okay. Yeah.
Go down a little bit. >> Yeah. Perfect. Okay. So, you can see the main entrance here. And on the left and right of that main entrance, you see some peers and then the louvers. And those peers are going to be parched uh CMU block.
>> PGED finish. >> Yeah. >> Perfect. Yeah. Yes. >> Very traditional screen. >> Yeah. >> You could see one at the bottom right hand corner. You see that? Just above the floor line. There's a a clouded um
bubble pointing at it. Yeah. Right. Oh, you were just on it. Uh up to the right a little bit. >> Oh, okay. Right there. That's one of them. That's one. >> That was going to be my question. >> Yeah. >> All right. So, it looks like the flood vents open to the actual first floor.
>> Oh, yes. Yes. >> Okay. Yeah. What's What are those rectangular vents below? >> Those are just open to the um crawl space. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. So, there How many flood vents are
there? >> 25. >> Yeah. >> And there's only two pictured, I think. Well, I think one of them you can't see because it's behind um some handrails there, but if you keep going around, you'll start to see them. Some of them
are also joining from room to room. >> So, if it comes in, it'll go into the bathroom. It'll go So, >> so in fact, I see 25 on the outside of the building. >> No. All right. No, not all of them, though. >> And what's the size of each flood vent roughly? >> You know, I was just looking at that.
They're pretty They're very standard. I think they're about 10 by 12. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah, there is a cut in the the product data I think we sent you to. >> Yeah. >> I just had a question. I noticed um the
grill vents or the muttons on this photograph, you don't seem to have any, but on the other previous slide on the other side of the building, you did have the grill vents. So, and originally the building does have grill vents. >> What? >> Uh I'm sorry, not grill vents. I meant the window vents. I mean the window grills. I'm sorry.
It's been a long day for me. >> You don't seem You seem to be missing the window grills on this slide here. On the other slide, the previous slide, the other side of the building. The grills. See that? You see the window grills? >> Oh. >> So, I want to just confirm the original structure has the grills, right? The
historical muttons on the building. >> Listen to the photos there. 20 years ago. >> Oh, >> all right. So, those that's how it looks now. One side has the grills, the other side doesn't. >> Keeping We're keeping the windows in place.
>> Yeah. Oh, all right. So, the whole building has the grills. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I think you could see there. >> Right. Right. I saw them on the building, but then I didn't see them on the drawing. So, I was wondering if you were replacing them,
>> right? Okay. >> Yeah. Um, we do want all the windows and doors to operate after the move. So, there will be some touchup. >> Is the roof made of cedar shingle as well? I couldn't tell from the picture.
>> Cedar shingle. >> The >> I think that typically with the ice very lightly. >> I was asking about the roof. Is the roof made the same? Part of the roof is part of it is >> okay.
If you look at the roof in front there is shingle back there is slate that's slate on the other building, right? There is some slate and some shingle.
None of that contract. What >> have system. You don't have to go around and jack the whole thing up pretty much atce. >> What's the timeline?
We expect to be we expect to be out of the club end of September back in the club again. A lot more by a couple times. Will we be able to watch the building
get lifted? Can we buy tickets for that? very minimally put that definitely plan to have something something done. There's some discussion of having Do they lift it at one time or do they do it very slowly? I've also heard that
over over multiple days. >> I think I think a lot of the work goes into sliding uh steel under the building. So they make a almost a crib for it and then they put the jacks under that crib and then I think once that's
all set it'll go up, you know, within a day and then somehow they slide some wheels under it. >> Yeah. >> Inches inches an hour. Do you remember when they moved the charter school? The building that is became the charter school, it used to be
next to the Riverview Hospital and uh they moved it down Front Street down Broad Street. They had to take down all the telephone wires and it was a big kind of event. I mean, could be interesting to to build it up into some
kind of event for Redbank to celebrate. as we're progress there is a warning. Five level. Any more questions? >> Just want to say thank you for all that work and for preserving a iconic
building in Redbank. >> This this commission really helped getting Jennifer and she's very cooperative and helpful and one of the things
everyone together very very clear that that helps What I'd like to do is uh formalize our position on it. Do we uh have a motion to approve the plans as submitted?
>> I motion. >> And do we have a second? Thank you. Louis Almarie, >> yes. >> Liam Collins, >> hi. >> Paul Ko, Paris Smells,
Matthew Cummings, >> yes. >> And Betsy Valera, >> yes. >> Thanks. And I just want to say we have a bunch of events this weekend anyone directly
knows how to contact me our calendar to have you as I said if you guys could bring the technology over we have zoom but if you need the recording microphone >> we have we have screen, but we we do
general meetings. Oh, we're happy to have you there. We're happy to have you at any of our events or any call. >> That's fine. We might get a couple of new members.
>> Um, one thing I would just be remiss if I didn't say it. I know you have many things logistically in the works, but while I have your ear and as you're talking to contractors, I just want to bring up the burrow did recently pass a microlastics ordinance. Since I know you're using TX, it's very simple. It
just requires, especially where you are on the water, just want to mention it because it's a sensitive area. It just requires that that is um kind of housed when it's being cut and things like that to reduce the um debris, dust. If somebody can give me the
>> I'll put an RFI back up right now. We're in bed now. >> You know we're out of bid and I will >> sure. I will tell them that's what you got to do. >> Yeah. It's mostly just like tent it while you're cutting. It's very simple. But yeah, >> I got it. But if you don't, you know, >> you like you'd like to tell people this
before you sign. >> Absolutely. Yep. any other thing we recent have to put that in. >> They have they have to do it and I'm sure they're supposed to know it. I mean, there's a there's a general note in there that says the contractor
responsible for knowing all local regulations, but something new like that. >> Yeah, that's why I mentioned >> Okay, thank you. >> Yeah, thank you. You're welcome to stay or leave, whatever you'd like to do.
>> You You may want to take a peek at the weather before you make that decision. >> So, in the event it's not good outside, you're welcome to >> or ask your wife if she's hungry. She probably wants to go Oh, nice.
Very nice. Thank you. Okay, moving to the next item of new business which is 65 Washington Street. Is anyone >> present? >> Unfortunately, the um applicant was noticed late about the
meeting. Um so they were not able I don't think they were going to try and make it but um they were not able to make it today. Um, but if we have any comments that I can give them, we have the application. If there is any
comments that I can give them, um, I'm happy to pass it along. >> Yeah, I mean, I I looked at their application. This is this is the house. We've looked at this house before. This this is one that was in
disrepair and it was purchased and completely rehabbed. and they did a fine job on it. Um, beautiful, you know, they they kept the original clouds and a lot of the original trim. Uh, unfortunately the
slate roof was shot, so they had to replace that with slate line shingles. Um, but you know, and it's been it was then put on the market, sold. So, the current uh the new owners
wish to uh add a garage and they've you know that's the subject of this topic. Now, I looked at and I don't know if you looked at what was submitted. Um and I have some questions and suggestions for them. you know,
specific. I mean, what it looks like they want a onecar garage, and it looks like the way they're going there is to get a prefab with a wood floor, the kind you almost ship in and drop.
Um, and the the roof pitch clearly doesn't match the pitch of the current house. Um, and the siding doesn't match the current
house. And um, I I you know, my my comments to them would be that it would be preferable if the appearance of it was were consistent with the current home,
uh, particularly the roof pitch and and the siding. And also um another suggestion I would make to them and this is based on my own situation. I actually was in a similar situation when I bought my home in Redbank. It did not have a
garage and I sought to have one built and uh I ended up having one built at a price it's less than this is going to cost them. Although it was 12 years ago so it' be double that now but still it's in the range of this. And uh it was
built as a pullbar. You can't tell from the street, but it's basically a onecar garage with six pilings. They're sunk 3 ft down in cement and the whole garage is hung off that. And um you know, the price they were
quoted now for this shed with a wood floor garage size is about 17,000. And mine cost less than that 12 years ago. I believe even if you double the price, it's still only a little bit more than this. So my suggest I would be pleased
to talk to >> Would you recommend that they maybe attend the minor works committee meeting next week? >> I mean I think it's a personally a it's like an almost it's a new construction. Yeah. >> Or an addition accessory construction.
So I think the whole board should hear. I think they should come back. >> You know, it's just like to talk to them, talk it through with them or >> you can know that we have some reservations about what they submit and we have some suggestions >> that at the end of the day we don't
think will add a lot to the cost. Now, I'm hoping they didn't, you know, this isn't one of those cases where they already committed to because I saw the paperwork. said their order was placed in March. So, you know,
>> isn't isn't there an ordinance where if you take down an old garage that you can't put up a new garage? >> Yeah, I don't know if it's going to have to go to zoning, but um you know, our guidelines do address accessory structures and I think um I don't know
if they have a copy of the guidelines or not, but it's on page 78 and 79 of our guidelines. So, I agree. Um the roof drew my attention. Uh the materials drew my attention and the location quite frankly looks like you know according to
our guidelines if it's not going to match the house or be a have any defining characteristics uh of in a historical nature then it really we don't really want to see too much of it from the street. So there is an issue to me with the roof with the
materials and the location. And by the way, when you do a pull bar construction, you can then have a concrete pork. >> Yeah. >> So if you came over my garage, I opened or you walk in it, I will have to tell you that it's a pole in order for you to figure that out.
>> It looks that conventional. >> So >> and it was at the time it was half the price of the masonry foundation if you're building a one or two car garage the a proper masonry foundation if that's what you're doing is half the cost.
So, in my email um correspondence to them, uh they responded that we plan on making the garage the same color as the house with a black door or accents. Um they said it's a simple garage shed that will be painted to match the house. The
architecture simil similar to that of the rendering from the lap structure that they've provided. Um they are a large company that supplies mostly prefab and standalone structures. They do a nice job matching the house. Further will make it nice with shrubbery
and gardening around it following all setbacks. So yeah, that was my >> Will it go in the same location the old garage is in? >> They're going to have to get a varian. It looks like it's on the property line. >> They're going to be
>> Was there ever a garage? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Back there originally. They tore it down. >> Yeah, they tore it down. Do we have pictures of the old garage? >> No, but I could ask them to do it. >> Um, they did state that they will be
following um the 8 foot sideyard requirement and rear yard requirement. >> So, no zoning. >> Any of these are to scale >> the rendering that they provide. >> If if if I could only change one thing,
what they've asked for, I'd change the roof pitch to match the house. And is the roof color shingles the same? Are they putting the same? Uh, >> the roof should match. >> Yeah. >> And the siding should match. >> And by the way, I know I'm pretty sure
the house was the original crafts and they painted them. I personally would be okay with party plank that matched >> the exposed. I don't know what they have >> the side. for the garage. >> for the garage.
>> Okay. >> So, if if if I'm I'm not saying they have to if the house has original wood siding, they don't have to do exactly matching siding on the garage, but it should be at a glance. If you look at
it, it should look like the house siding. >> A copy of the guidelines >> where we can email. >> It's page 78. And I used a different I used a local contractor that actually does business a
lot of business out west Mammoth County. They they actually build boulevards on farms, etc., etc. So, this was a small job for them, but they're still in business and I'd be glad to recommend that. Having said that, the contractor they picked is a good contractor and I
think they they would be equally capable of doing whatever I'm suggesting. The only thing is I don't know if they do pole barns, but that isn't, you know, we're that's up to them. If if they want this
structure, I'll tell you right now, a a a shed with a wood floor is not going to last as long. If if money is the reason, which I suspect it is, wholeborn costs very little more than what they
>> P it is literally literally P O L E. And it's called that because it's when you see this big, you know, on a farm and you see a huge horse that goes for, you know, hundreds of feet. The way they build those is they sink holes in the
ground and then they hang walls off of the poles. >> It's even better. I had to Google it, too. A simplified construction style that became popular during the Great Depression when farmers began using old telephone poles to build coste effective
structures. >> I will send them their comments and just tell them the next meeting. Yeah. >> And one of the other issues with that house was the uh access of the driveway. There was a there's a dormer sticking
out on the side of the house and so they weren't able to extend the driveway on the right side of the house all the way to the back because it it would need access of the neighbors. I know that house is kind of wide on a narrow lot. So, you're
questioning whether there's enough clearance in the driveway. >> Yeah. >> They may not even be using this garage to put car. >> All right. Okay. >> Although, they did say they were going to run a couple of >> like pavers or bricks, >> right?
>> Like leading up from the existing driveway to the garage, which almost suggests that they bring a vehicle up. >> Yeah. Originally, they accessed that backyard through the driveway on the shared driveway on the other side of the
house. >> Interesting. >> And that now it's got a ranch fence there, so there's no way to access >> way. And I when you look at the picture, I mean, flip side, they could rightly say the
roof pitch of this garage as they proposed it. There's a garage on the next property that has the same low roof pitch, >> right? >> That's it. And also, there's a bad addition on a house, the backyard that has an almost flat roof. So, there's all
kinds of stuff around them, you know? But look, if you're doing something from scratch and it doesn't cost much to do it nice, >> yeah, >> spend a little extra money and do it nice. Um the I would like to uh just uh draw
one's attention. There is a picture of the old garage um as it stood for however many years >> on Google >> Street View and you'll notice the beautiful doors um that were once there
and also the correct roof pitch. >> Yeah. The the former owners did not keep the the Yeah, they didn't keep the >> Right. They did they didn't keep the screen doors um that they said they would keep. >> Oh, wait a minute. Is that their garage
or was that their garage? >> That's the house. >> Oh, >> okay. >> And I I was pretty sure there was some kind of ordinance in place that that said if you tore down a garage, you were
not allowed to rebuild another garage. I mean, it happened. Oh, it's if you can't rebuild it if it's non-conforming. You have to build it conforming. >> Okay. So, it's got to be conforming to Okay. So, that means conforming to our
new guidelines, >> the zoning orders. >> Also, zoning setbacks. >> Yes. >> But since it's in the historic district also to the >> like both standards, so it has to meet the setbacks and the height. Not really the design, but the setbacks and the height.
>> Okay. So, do we want to draw their attention to how Well, I imagine they know how it looks. I don't did I I think the house was sold with the garage show or you don't know where did the renovators think that there was a garage when >> when they bought it the survey.
>> Yeah, they may have never seen how it originally looked. Maybe we can just draw their attention to it. >> And that's on the Google Street View. Yeah, sometimes you can't >> I I like charact that probably wasn't even the original.
I don't Maybe it was the original barn. >> Yeah. Yeah. October 21. What's that? >> Okay, thank you. Uh, any other matters >> on the on this topic? Um,
we're saying these homeowners probably weren't aware of the design of the previous garage or were they the ones who who demoed that existing It's new homeowners. Okay. >> I know this house was uh >> it was recently >> sold after it was
done. They picked up for a nice price. My question just was if new if new documentation comes to light that they were not aware of, are they obligated to respect this uh the pre-existing
structure or is it kind of none of their business because they didn't own the property when it was demolished? I I think we're making, speaking for myself, I think we're making reference to pre-existing structure just to show it has a lot of the elements >> sure >> that
>> I was describing. It has a steeper roof pitch. >> Sure. >> Now, it has garage doors that were typical of garages built >> carriage >> 75 100 years ago. >> Great. Um
certainly no requirement to do that now, >> right? >> Yeah. >> I guess >> we can we would just be making an appeal to them in in good faith that >> here's what it used to be. >> I
the fact that they bought the house >> means they they obviously have an appreciation. Sure. >> For the architecture >> for sure. >> So I think they I expect they would be welcome to ideas that you know don't
cost a lot more to get >> something that's better looking than what they've been presented. >> They could have just gone around looking and found this and and gone to this vendor and said, "Okay, what what can you do?" And this is what the vendor
presented. This is this is our product. and just said, "Okay, fine. We'll do that." Without looking at alter, >> right? Yeah. It's quick and easy, but a piece of new construction of that size could be done in an affordable way. Definitely.
>> Any other business to discuss? >> Question about um historic plaques. Does that come under our jurisdiction? If we're looking for a plaque for someone who was born or lived here, >> we would have to pay for it,
>> right? But the idea of getting permission to put it up, >> I guess it's the property owner. So, where would you like to put it up? If it's on public land, it's council. If it's on a property owner's land, do
that again. >> In particular, I know somebody has been looking up um there's a couple before. >> Yeah. >> A couple of well-known photographers who either were born here or Diane Arus for
one that she lived here for during World War II and she's a very well-known Yeah. her husband got a it's a yeah, he got a job at uh Fort Mammoth during World War II and that's where she actually learned how to take photos and I kind of feel like we should have
something. Uh yeah, you never know. Um my daughter's a a photographer. Yes. So I didn't know whether we were the right place to go. Somebody, a couple people asked me about this and I said >> if they want to put it up on their own
property, they can. Like if they want to buy their own plaque and put it up on their own property, they can, but if it's public land, that has to go through council. >> Okay. So, this is there's nothing that the town of Red
City Redbank would be doing to honor um people. Maybe the river center would be ones that we could do to I don't know. Just, you know, I'm just trying to figure it out. So, if it is >> So, you're looking for funding for it.
>> I'm not. I'm looking for information on where to go to find out information. I'm the first person they ask. >> I think if it's like funding related, then we have to probably find funding for it. But if for the plaques itself,
but if it's permission to put it on a property, we just have to know who owns it. >> Got it. >> Okay. >> And who's going to pay for it, >> right? There is um
there is something we got information about. Um >> right. So, I um did apply to the historic trust for um historic grants. Um a historic grant for historic for plaques, but that's related to the
downtown as part of like a historic tour and um yeah, as part of a historic tour in the in the commercial district. >> Okay. Sean, I just had one other question about the uh 65 W. Uh,
you know, it says Wallace on here. I just noticed, but I guess that's a mistake on the drawing. Um, >> yeah, it says Washington on the one side and Wallace on the other. >> I think maybe like I said, it's not
drawn to scale and her um whoever it is, they I think they probably did like a AI generation of it. >> Yeah. So yeah, this is a this means that Wallace is in the back and Washington is in her front like that. That's why I
really hate people using AI. >> That's interesting. So, but the fire pit and those papers and that's not for >> the back of No, because you can't see it. This is the back of the house. This is the house. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Like we didn't need any of that. But I was just curious when I saw it. I was like, "Oh, are we supposed to?"
>> Well, she kind of did it for the zoning portion of it, so I can see it as a zoning officer, >> but um but yeah, this is why I really hate when people think that they're trying to be smart by doing an AI rendering and it's not really cuz
>> this would all look like a sideyard setback, but it's not. It's like rare yard setback. So, it would be rare here. The lines for rear yard should have been here. But if you type in something, this what it's going to give you. >> And is that a gas fireplace? Do you need a What is the What is the rule about
those fire fire? >> Um there there isn't a rule. It's all pavers. Um it's permitted because it's all impervious, but um because they're all putting up pavers. >> And is that gas or is that wood? >> I don't know. And that's really for the
um construction official if they're running any lines to figure that out. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I don't think that driveway is 10 feet wide. I don't I don't think there's >> I'll bet you the 10 feet is >> it's ignoring the bay window. >> Yeah. Right.
>> Because the bay windows up here. >> Yeah. >> If the house is here, the bay windows there. >> Yeah. That the house is >> house is barely shown. >> Yeah. It's not at all still. Yeah. So again, that's why I hate when people present these things because it's
not a true. >> Yeah. >> The more you stare at it, the more you can make sense. >> So yeah, that's >> it makes you go, "Oh, is the garage one and a half stories?" >> Yeah. >> It is not.
>> It is not. >> It is not. Unfortunately, when we have this type of technology, people think like it's >> if it's bad, it just means more people will have jobs. It's okay. >> True. >> Criticizing
this. I mean, there are actually programs actually. >> Yeah. Rendering. >> Yeah. Yeah, the AI, you know,
>> I I was wondering if we could talk about one one thing. I had an idea where >> I don't think there's anywhere on our website that allows for someone to apply to become a designated property. Like say I I own a house and I would like to
>> Yeah, >> I would like to have it designated. We do >> have to reach out to my department because again if you go through the ordinance it says that you first have to make a presentation >> to the commission then to planning board
and then it'll be on council. So either way you'd have to come here first. So you'd have to contact my office. >> Does it it says it on our on the historic preservation commission. >> I can make it clear that um that's how you can designate your own a property.
So, >> okay. >> As a local historic site. Yes. >> Okay. >> Do I have a motion to adjurnn? >> Motion to adjurnn. >> How's the weather? >> Do I have a second? >> Second.
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