The Red Bank Historic Preservation The Red Bank Historic Preservation Commission. Sorry, third time's a charm. The Red Bank Historic Preservation Commission will hold a regular meeting on Wednesday, September 17th, 2025 at 7 p.m. at Naom
Street, Red Bank, New Jersey. Adequate notice of this meeting has been posted at the burough hall, filed with the burough clerk, and provided to the Esbury Park Press and the two river times. The commission has maintained a policy cut off at 8:30 p.m. for its
meeting. So, please join us in uh rising for the pledge of allegiance. Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, of America, and to the republic for which it stands. under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all. Okay, so uh roll call. Shauna Marini absent. Marie Cavalier present. Liam Collins present. Paulo absent Scott present.
Anthonyo, I'm here. I'm not working. I'm Betsy. Is that not working? You want to move over here? Oh, yeah. This whole round though. Is it working for you? Wait. I didn't even put over here then.
Okay. Okay. All right. More of a technical. None of them seem to be working. All right. So, the first item on the agenda is public comments on the on the agenda. So, you're presenting. So, we'll
get to you in order. Okay. So, administrative matters. Uh, we did have a meeting last month. Anybody like to move the minutes? I wanted to ask if we could amend the minutes. Um, and I'm sorry, I probably
should have brought this up with Shauna before, but I didn't get to read the minutes till just a couple hours ago. Okay. Um, I don't know what the procedure is to do that. I um, it's just something that I commented on in in the last
meeting and it wasn't uh, it wasn't um, recorded properly or at least didn't it wasn't what I meant um, in in the meeting. Um, okay. Okay. So, I don't know if um
when you amend the over there for now. Sea, when you amend the minutes, you just have to ask that everybody agrees with the way you thought it should read and then Shauna when she'll go in and change it. So, there's a historical record of
the way that you believe it should have read. Okay. Okay. So could kind of just give us a summary of the section and then how you would like it to read. Okay. So just under the um
4850 Mammoth Street. Okay. when we were talking about the that uh renovation that was going on there and I had commented on how uh that was one of the only original
u facads of a house from that time period left on Mammoth Street, but that there were uh what happened is in like the 1930s or 40s, the existing houses um on Mama Street that were built back in
the 18, you know, 80s, 90s and 1900 um had, you know, 20 or 30 foot front yards. And what happened in the 1930s and 40s, they started building storefronts onto these original houses.
You can see that like if you go behind um uh El Caesar the the bagel oven, you can see how the there was a house there that they just built a storefront onto and and so there are several houses on Mama Street like that. So what I was trying
to convey in the in the meeting was that that was one of the only houses left on Mama Street that that had the original facade. But the um the 1930s40 architecture I was talking
about were the storefronts that were put on in the 1930s and 40s. thought that um that that house should reflect the 1930s um architecture. So, how how would you like it to read in the how would you like it to read in the
minutes? Um what would you like to amend? So, it says right now it says columns commented that Mama Street has existing structures that reflect the archite architecture of the 1940s and so the applicant should reference the design.
But I think it should say that I commented that Mama Street um had existing structures that that commercial facads were built on in in the 1940s.
and that that property 4850 Mammoth Street is one of the only existing homes that reflects what the street looked like as a residential street originally.
Okay, Sha, do you understand how we'd want it amended? Yep. Okay. So, Liam, um, would you like to make the motion to amend the minutes and approve the minutes as as as amended? Um, yes, I would, but I would like to
also um there was another thing I I wanted to amend as well, which was in the paragraph right before that. Um, so Chair Almarini asked if the applicant
had any references for the duplex design, which was initially part of the structure. The applicant replied that they did not have any reference. However, there have been several renovations to the building that are not original to the structure. Liam Collins recommended that the applicant contact
the public library for consultation on the original design. Um, so the the I the the reference I was asking him to
to consult is the old tax maps in the library. So I I don't know if if I um if I used that term tax maps, but I think that's what I well that that is what I
meant. Okay, got that. Yeah. So, with those two amendments, then I would I would uh move to uh to motion to uh approve them.
Okay. Uh second second. Anthony second. Anthony wasn't here. Oh, I wasn't here on that. Yeah. Okay. I'll second it. I'll second it. All in favor? I I Thank you. Okay. Um, the reports, uh, was there
anything that went before the minor works committee the last month? No. Okay. Uh, Karen, um, river center liaison. Uh, nothing that I No.
Okay. Um, so the historic sites guidelines and survey. Mhm. So, one of the calendars that we talked about said that this would be the second approval by this uh commission before it
moves forward in the process, but we're still waiting to hear from the state states review of the draft. Great. So, therefore, everybody's information, it will be approved at the October meeting. Um,
so the last meeting of of this group talked about which properties would be surveyed and the discussion pretty much was that they would that Stephen would focus on the Broad Street historic design
overlay. Uh the reason for that is they have the most frequent alterations and tenant turnover and so therefore uh the scope of that survey would would have the greatest benefit. So he had gone through the
149 parcels of the Broad Street Historic District and he determined that about 70 of them were more than 50 years old, retained mi medium to high architectural integrity
and have not been previously surveyed. So uh from that list he's going to check for various sources very like nine earlier surveys have been done on some of Broad Street and he's going to give
us uh an update um at our meeting at the end of the month uh which will be the fourth fourth um fourth Friday not the last Friday of the month because of Halloween. So,
uh, any anybody have any questions or comments? Okay, I guess. So, uh, we don't have any old business. So, moving on to new business. We have an applicant, uh, from 34 Washington
Street coming before us to talk about exterior improvements. So, if you'd come up and um give us your names and you could sit uh so the you can sit right there so the mics can pick. Yeah, those
Sorry, it looks like a witness stand. That cannot be intention. First time these are just ready to be replaced. Like really um just press the button to speak to it.
I can't hear. Is anybody in the room saying anything? Okay. Yeah, now we can hear. Can we? Oh, yes. I I can hear. Yep. I couldn't I couldn't hear before, though. Right. I can hear now, too. Good. Can you hear me now?
Yes, you're good. Start over. Okay. Hi. Um, Dana Burkowitz from 34 Washington Street and I'm here with my husband Guy Ohana. Um, we are looking to resside our facade of our garage, our detached garage and
our entire house and pave uh do brick pavers in the driveway and the path to the front walkway. Okay. Is there a special shingles on there now? It's vinyl siding on there. Oh, it's vinyl. And And you don't know.
You don't know what's underneath them? It's possibly that that maybe, but we're not so sure. You You have also shingles like asphalt shingles. You have the asbestos shingles probably.
You have like the vinyl and then you have shingles, but not as the top part. I'm not so sure we can. Okay. Okay. Are you going to put the siding right on top of the shingle? You're going to take
the vinyl siding off and and put the new siding on top of the the asphalt shingle or is it as shingle? That that I'm not so sure about it. But
we going to put decide if is if is asbestos we going to actually put it. We're not going to remove the asbestos. on top of it. But the vinyl siding, you're taking the vinyl siding off. The vi the vinyl siding wouldn't be coming off yet. And guy is a general contractor,
a licensed contract. Nice. It's handy. Oh boy. So he So just I mean curiosity is this a multiple family or is this
it is we we own the building but we do have a tenant below us. Yes. Oh so there's just two apartments in it. Two Yeah. Up in up. Yeah. Okay. It's the same entrance then. Same initial entrance and then her
apartment downstairs is to the left and we go to the We don't need to know just as a back entrance to Yeah. Gotcha. Well, I guess my biggest question um I don't necessarily have a problem with the Hardy, but the
What's the reason for wanting to go vertical? Is the all the siding vertical or just the top? Just the top. The top by the um just the top there where with the point. Yeah. And then the garage just for some
detail. Just a little bit of change of detail. Um I guess that's my my only is my real concern. Um just because no other houses are like that in the district. They all they traditionally all go horizontal. Would you be opposed to I know it's a
stylistic modern there. No way to do it. I just didn't know if it's okay. That would be my comment. Yeah, we we we want it to complement the other houses, you know, was we don't want it to necessarily go, you know. I love that you're upgrading, you know,
like it's clearly needs it, you know. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. And that's great that you're be doing the work. I want to I want to add something. So basically if I'm looking at the TV is any chance you can do those horizontal just like the just that very very peak
and the peak over here and the peak here not that much I think it's going to be like here and that here and then this one can be siding because I know my neighbors if you going around the neighborhood to do like a scallop up there or something. Exactly. So I was wondering if it's
possible to do that too. Well, I'm trying to, you know, we're we're in the midst of coming. What do we say in the guidelines? Uh, in the design guidelines, we we do have we do have some suggestions for uh
detail or uh you know, as as Anthony, I don't think I'd mind it like you're saying, maybe just at that very, but it would definitely stick out to me, I would think, walking around that district. I was driving it again today. I'm like everything's horizontal there. If there were uh I know there are
several houses on our block that have the scallop. Yeah. Yeah. New one that's being renovated up the street. Do a whole Yeah. If I would like to change it a little bit. It is a big house. Present on that block. This one has like a little This one has
a diamond pattern, you know, just on the peak. I don't know if you've seen that around. Yeah, it's hard to see there. Like a herring bone or there's all different kinds. Yeah, just a diamond, you know, and and uh I mean that would be fine on that peak if you wanted to have something a little
different. Just look that peak. Yeah. Not house. Yeah. And just around like you said that top window up there, right? Yeah. And and one of these the diamond or that wood shingle scall Yeah. And and um so do you currently live in Red Bay?
Yeah, we live in this. They live in the Oh, okay. So I I just would if you want to get an idea of the details that we're talking about if you go down like Irving Place or or there's a house a blue house on Reckless Place that has that that
uses that diamond and also one on the corner. So you know because it's just a a little just a little section just a little section it be that would be our suggestion. No no problem. The only other comment I have would be in regards to the blue
stone walkway or you talk about ripping that up. It needs to be replaced structurally. Okay. It's dipping that is failing. Um what do you what do you have? So I mean everyone's partial to it just because there's not much left of it in
the town. It was the sidewalks. It was the path for everything. It was the not the limestone. The blue stone. The blue stone. But I wish they have it. But I But you can't I mean if it's failing like you know there's not no other really way to
it's not really it. We can we can we can we can jack it up because you have a pool actually when you go to the house. Yeah. Basically Yeah. I can lift it up and preserve it. On the other side I don't have
Well, I I don't know. You could if you could listen. I get if it's broken. I get if it's trip, you know, whatever. Yeah, actually. Yo, you're He wants to sign up for that. Says they don't like it. Blame us. Yeah. We do. I wish I had everything with that
blue stone. And we took we tore all that blue like blue stone all the way. I think one of my neighbors just purposely kept it. Yeah. Well, it it has the longest lasting power. Obviously, it's been here for like 150 years. So, we'll keep it.
And I also read something that, you know, it it it also because of the design in it is is safer like in ice and things, but there's texture. Yeah, there's a texture to it. So So if you're going to do something different on the side, I mean, maybe
it's possible to find some cement pattern that kind of looks like it. I like the brick, like the driveway. You're going to do the driveway in that brick, right? That'll look really nice. I I like the brick. I like the pattern. I was actually oh disappointed when I saw I excited and disappointed that to
tell you about the blue stone fine with that totally fine to save it is broken up because of course the the main walkway on the sidewalk is blue stone so right fine with that too okay yeah the brick I I love with the brick okay um any other comments Karen
anything I had a I had a question about the garage I I live around the corner, but I'm not in town right now, and I couldn't walk over to see it, but I don't think the garage is maybe original to the house.
Uh I I couldn't tell from the Google map picture. Um but I was going to suggest or advise if u you're you're going to put a solid brown door on the garage. Is it a double
garage or is it a single garage? Double. No. No. I mean, it's a single. Single door. Yeah. Yeah. Single door. Okay. I mean, originally that would have been a carriage house, and I I mean, I know it's a
expense um issue, but if there was any way to make it look more like a a carriage house door instead of just a solid, you know, solid brown colored door. Maybe if there were windows on the
upper, say quarter or something like that or something that would more mimic a No, we have pictures. Yeah, I know. We don't oppose the windows. Yeah, we It's actually even Yeah, you wanted it to. No.
Yeah, just just the lights across the top. I mean, I know it doesn't have much. Not very visible. He's like in the back and almost situated. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not suggesting like swinging
doors, but just something that would maybe mimic more a carriage house look since, you know, that would have been what that neighborhood had originally. Got to get more familiar with this.
Yeah. Doors with um windows is just privacy of what he stores in there. Oh. Um that sounds shady, but he has a lot of tools. No, no, no. It's I I understand that completely.
Yeah. Yeah. That's garage doors like that. Like, you know, growing up, we had the glass and I used to break it with a basketball, you know. It was just a suggestion. Yeah. I will do my best to preserve the, you know, um
integrity. We want to keep it as as as classic as can be. I think all of this all the changes sound really nice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Bears in the making. I get it.
How about the porch? Uh the porch the porch and the the railings. Um will that remain the same? Yeah, the we we've updated them just to pretty much look the same way. Um
we have new uh new porch um decking. Yeah. On on the flooring. On the flooring and the and the and the roof of the deck which is which is brown and we did a mahog type.
Yeah, we did it on the top too. Okay. So, um you have those comments? Sure. That's recording. Okay. All right. Cool. So, thank you. Um, thank you so much. That got a vote. Yeah.
So, Anthony, you want to move it? Yeah. Move to vote. Approved as is with comments. The comments of at the top. Yeah. Okay. All right. I'll second. Thank you. Yeah. Good luck.
Where do I seem? We have to vote. Everyone's got a vote. It's coming soon. It should be available on Amazon by Christmas time. A copy will be on our website and on our website. So, you can get a hard copy for like $25 and or you could
look at it on the website. So, and the draft is on the website already, isn't it? Or not? Yeah, on uh last month's agenda. I don't know if it was on the public one, Shauna. I think I logged in that way. So, we probably want to put it on the for
double check. Um, let me do roll call. Marjorie Cavalier. Yes. Liam Collins. Hi. Karen Schmelto. Yes. Anthony. Yes. And Betsy Beler.
Yes. Okay. Thank you so much. Thank you guys. Have a good evening. Thank you for your help. with it. Amazing. Okay. Um, so with that business concluded,
we really don't have any any other public non-aggenda items. Yeah. Oh, can I just make a comment? I just wanted to share with everybody Anthony joined earlier today for the mural
cutting at 27 West Street. the beautiful black and white mural from a dor photograph of the former Red Bank airport. Anyone y'all when you're back, you should Oh, I I've seen it. Yeah, it's so beautiful. It is beautiful. Yep.
The detail like you could stand in front of it and you can see the guys faces. It's crazy. It's really It's not there. I thought I had published it for the other day. Yeah. So, I And and again, I really like the black and white, too. Yeah. It's cool.
It's really Yeah. Okay. So, um motion to adjurnn. Anyone? A motion to adjurnn. Second. All in favor? I I I
Okay. So, um I won't be here the next meeting in October. So, um I hope you do approve the guidelines. Hopefully, we're there. Yeah. And move it. Yeah. No, it's coming along. Yeah. All right. Thank you.
Thanks everybody. Hi. Did you get my text yesterday about I