Good evening. The Red Bank Planning Board will come to order this 14th day of January, 206. The time is 7:00. Adequate notice of this meeting has been posted at Burough Hall, filed with the
Burough Clerk, and mailed to the Asbury Park Press and the Two River Times. No new cases will be heard after 10 p.m. The board will adjourn for recess at 8:30 p.m. >> office first. Do you have it out?
>> Yes. Do you want me to I've been just told what the internet? >> Okay, give me two seconds. >> I think it's fine. I got it. All right. So, I need
Shauna, Barbara, Brian. You guys ready? Right. Just raise your right hands. Do you uh just repeat after me? I state your name. >> I Shauna Ebanks. >> I Brian. >> Thank you. Do solemnly swear >> Doly swear
>> that I will support the Constitution of the United States. >> That I will support the Constitution of the United States >> and the Constitution of the State of New Jersey. the >> constitution of the state of New Jersey. >> And that I will bear true faith >> and I will bear true faith >> and allegiance to the same
>> and to the governments established >> in the United States and in this state >> in the United States and in this state >> under the authority of the people >> under the authority of the >> of the people. I do further solemnly swear >> I do further solemnly swear >> that I will faithfully >> I will >> faithfully
>> impartially >> partially >> and justly >> and >> perform all the duties >> perform all the duties >> a planning board member >> board member >> to the best of my ability >> to the best of my ability >> so help me God so help me God >> congratulations to the three of you >> and welcome Shauna as a uh as a as a
member We get to do. >> Okay. Now I can do a roll call. >> Okay. Mayor Portman absent. Shauna Eans present. Christina Bonitakus >> here. Damuso absent. Lisento
absent. Barbara here. Megan Massie here. Jose absent. Hernandez here. Frederick Stone here. And Brian Parne here. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Now, time to reorganize the board.
We'll accept nominations for chairperson. >> I'd like to make a motion to nominate Benoa for chair. Second. >> There any other >> nominations? Roll call, please.
>> Sean, yes. Christina Bonakis, >> yes. Barbara Boles, >> yes. >> Megan Massie, >> yes. >> Wilson BB, >> sorry I cannot hear Hernandez, >> yes. >> Frederick Stone, >> yes. >> And Brian Figan, >> yes.
>> I'll move on to the vice chairman. There any nominations? >> I nominate whoever goes. >> Other nominations. Roll call, please. Okay. >> Bonnie Erings. Yes. Christina.
>> Yes. >> Robert. Oh, sorry. Megan Mass. >> Yes. Is Hernandez? >> Yes. >> Frederick Stone. >> Yes. >> Brian Carnegan. >> Yes. >> Board Secretary. >> No.
I nominate Sha E. Banks. >> I second. Okay. Um, Christina Bonak, >> yes. >> Barbara, >> yes. >> Megan, >> yes. >> It's Hernandez, >> yes.
>> Frederick Stone, >> yes. >> Brian, >> yes. Attorney. >> I nominate Mark Lex. >> Second. >> Attorney Mark. >> Oh, Mark. Second.
Sean Evans. Yes. Uh, Christina Bonitakis, >> yes. >> Barbara Boz, >> yes. >> Massie, >> yes. >> Is Hernandez? >> Yes. >> Stone, >> yes. >> Brian Bar, >> yes. Thank you so much. I appreciate it.
>> Engineer. >> Engineer. >> I nominate TN. >> Second. >> Shauna Ebings. Yes. >> Christina. Yes. >> Barbara, >> Big Massie,
>> yes. >> Itel Hernandez. >> Yes. >> Frederick Stone. >> Yes. >> And Brian Carnegie. >> Yes. It will take you a while to get used to calling your own name. >> The newspapers, Two Rivers and Aspberry Press.
>> Two. >> Two Rivers. >> Two Rivers for official newspapers. Rivers Times and Asbury Park Press. >> Are you nominating them or >> I will nominate them. >> Not going to be an all favor.
>> All in favor? >> I >> Nobody reads newspaper. >> Conflict board professionals. I I nominate Kevin Kennedy for conflict board attorney and CME as conflict board engineer.
>> Second. >> That should be >> all a roll call. >> That should be a roll call. Please professional. >> Shauna Ebanks. Yes. Christina Bonitakez. >> Yes. >> Barbara Boz. >> Yes. Lea Massie. >> Yes. Hernandez, >> yes. >> Fred Stone,
>> yes. >> Brian, >> yes. Meeting calendar, >> it was previously distributed, so you can just make a motion to accept it. And that can be all in favor. >> I motion to accept the um 2026
board calendar. >> Second. >> All in favor? I >> I >> um meeting minutes approval for the meeting of December 10th. >> Motion to approve. >> Second.
>> Second. >> Christina Bonak. >> Yes. >> Yes. Megan Massie. It's Hernandez. >> I don't know if I was here for that one. So I think you were stoneain.
and Brian Bley. >> Yes. >> Resolution >> resolutions. Move that we approve the resolution of approval P15852 one Riverview Plaza block 9 lot for
33.01. >> Motion to approve. >> We need a second. Christina Bodakis. >> Yes. >> Barbara Boz. Yes. >> Shauna Ebanks. >> Oh, yes. And Shauna Ebanks by the Spear.
>> Ryan Carnegan. >> Yes. Uh, other than that, yeah. For consistency, >> any master plan consistency approved.
>> That's the first item of business, Mr. Chairman. And so, uh, Sha, I think you wanted to say something on that. >> Oh, yeah. Um, so the first item for master plan consistency is the, um, council proposed resolution for a
designation of block 39, lot 30 as an area in need of redevelopment, oh, sorry, of rehabilitation. Um, this lot was originally uh missing from the designation that we did. I believe it was back in
>> it was like April or something like that or or no no last year >> October October. Um this portion was omitted was overlooked because it belonged to the um driveway for that
site. Um and so we are now trying to add it back into the um to connect it into the rehabilitation area. So, we're just looking. So, you've already basically gone through this entire study. I think everybody knows
the properties and uh we're just asking to add it into it. So, we just need a motion to find it in need of uh that it meets the criteria for rehabilitation and basically the criteria was that it's an abandoned piece of it's a vacant piece of property. It's been vacant utilized.
>> Um so, we're looking for that. And I also produced a resolution uh to that effect. So, if you want to make a motion to both uh declare that area need rehabilitation and adopt the resolution in one vote, I'm perfectly fine for that. >> I assume you're going to refuse
yourself. >> No, it's not. >> Oh, it's not the transation. Okay. >> Um I motion to >> find it to find that it meets the criteria and also to adopt the
resolution to that effect. The uh block 39 lot 30 meets the criteria for an area need of rehabilitation and to approve the resolution. >> Seconds. >> Yes.
>> Yes. >> Megan Massie. It's Hernandez. >> Yes. >> Fred Stone. >> Yes. >> Barbara, I'm sorry. Brian, >> yes. Get it together. Um, and then the second ordinance.
>> Yeah. Now, this one actually is a master plan consistency on the ordinance. Yeah. >> And these are the historical guidelines which the board looked at at the last meeting and the board didn't have any problem with it. Uh so if the board just wants to make a motion that you find it consistent with the master plan, Shauna can send a letter to council indicating
as such. >> Motion that the board accept it as appropriate for the me fitting into the master plan. Whatever the appropriate words would be >> consistent with the >> consistent. Okay. Thank you. Consistent
with the master plan and we we approve it. >> I move to second. Okay. Shauna E. Banks. Yes. Christina Bonitakis. >> Yes. >> Barbara Boz. Megan Massie. >> Yes.
>> Hernandez. >> Yes. >> Fred Stone. >> Yes. >> And Brian Bar. >> Yes. >> We didn't do the restriction. >> Oh, yeah. We did. >> We did. >> Yeah.
Okay. Next to new business, an application uh for 183 Doctors James Parker Boulevard, block 90, lot 12.01. Uh the applicant being 183 Dr. James
Parker Boulevard LLC RD zone. >> And Mr. Mr. Chairman, before uh we proceed on that, I did advise Mr. McKenna earlier that it's my recommendation that this application be reviewed by a uh board planner who TNM
has and because it wasn't done for this hearing and I think the planning testimony would be important and I I I know I know Jackie agrees with me that that would probably be a good idea. So I've already told Mr. McKenna, we're not, unless the board disagrees, it's not my recommendation that you decide
this application tonight, that you give an opportunity, you let the applicant put on as much testimony as they wish. Let the then carry the application to the next available meeting and in which time the board planner can review it and come with their recommendations. >> Yes.
>> Um, I have to leave now. >> Thank you, B. >> Thank you. Thank you. And I'm going to mark in as we're so the recordable will note note that Miss Boaz is leaving the DES because she has to leave for personal matters. Uh and Mr. Chairman I'll just mark in the following
exhibits. Uh exhibit A1 will be the site the preliminary and final major site plan dated July 1st 2025. Last revised October 20th 2025. Exhibit A2 will be the minor subdivision plat for for the property dated March 1st 2025. Exhibit
A3 will be the architectural plans uh dated August 11, 2025, last revised September 26, 2025. And exhibit A4 will be the storm water management report dated October 1st, 2024. And then the other exhibit I have is for the board.
That'll be exhibit B1 as in board one, which is the TNM engineering review letter, which is dated January 2nd, 2026. Those are all the exhibits that I have. Mr. If you want to put your appearance on, we can turn it over to you. >> Good evening. Thank you very much.
Please excuse me. My voice is somewhat compromised uh as a result of about two weeks of a cold. So I I apologize for the horses. Um I'm Jenna. I'm here on behalf of the
applicants and Jurgensson. They are the owners of property uh lot 90 lots 1201 and 1202. Um just by way of introductory parks I know board would be all famili
etc. This is a very unique piece of property located right next to the coffee corral and between the coffee corral and red bank housing authority on James Parker Boulevard. It is 75 75 ft.
Excuse me. 75 ft. Um owners of the property took uh the consideration of what to develop here. Very serious spend about major reviewing
options. Um Mr. real estate several. Uh if you look at the neighborhood in in the area in question, they had the option of building, believe
it or not, under a of six town houses been kind of done side by side going down either side of the property. They could have put multiple town houses in a number of different locations. What they also did, however, was study
the neighborhood. And in doing so, what they discovered was if you go down James Parker Boulevard, particularly in the area of this of this problem, as you go west, almost all the houses in that area, two family houses. So they
were trying to somehow or another at a point where they were trying to fit into the neighborhood as much as possible and they gave up the option of developing it more heavily and having more units and trying to fit it in with
the neighborhood uh and the surrounding property. That was their goal. So he bribed that plan that is before you this evening and as I said I'm going to ask Mr. O'Neal to uh go over a few of the other properties but other options that
were available to them and also give you some history with what was there previous. Uh if you go there today, what you will observe is one house that's located literally about 280 ft at the back of the property with nothing uh in
front and that is the reason for the weak uh opportunities as far as developing properties, but we were trying to identify as much as possible with the neighbor and that's how we got to the to where we are today. We we
acknowledge the fact that this has what is traditionally known as a flag lot, but really the flag lot is serve is serving as driveway for the two two family homes that are being proposed on this particular application. Um
there's that is the best way we felt at the end of the day uh of providing access to entire piece of property um and allowing each of those two family homes be developed provide as much green
area as possible with them while providing adequate parking for them. Um, also I I would advise you that I had previously checked with the Redbank Housing Authority to see if we had ability to utilize your property in the
event that you saw fit to approve the application as far as access to their property or building and also access to their property essentially because the driveway is going to be almost it's
literally adjacent to the housing in front of the property. So we took the time to meet with as authority representative and they advised us they had no opposition whatsoever and they welcome the uh the
application as it as it was to me. Um excuse me again. So on that note what I'd like to do is call our first greatness. He's the Bamil
a number of projects here and uh he is the architect that was retained by design the project that you had for you today. I know you have the floor plans and he'll run through the floor plans with you
also as I indicated give you a little bit of history about the property itself and what options we looked at. So on that note, I'd like to ask >> is Mr. O'Neal only testifying as an architect this evening? >> No, he's going to testify as
professional. >> That's what I assume. Okay. >> Yes. >> Absolutely. All right. Mr. O'Neal, do you swearing testimony you're about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth. >> And just say your name for record. >> And you are a licensed architect and a
licensed planner in the state of New Jersey. both licenses are in good standing and you intend to testify on in both capacities this evening. Is that correct? >> Thank you. Go ahead. >> Um uh in my planning testimony
architecture so they may get a little overlapping. I'll sum up in planning testimony but really start out kind discussing the property and then get into the architecture. So it won't be quite as >> No. Can I make a s I'm sorry I reviewed
these tapes. So often sometimes sometimes it's really hard to hear. So if you could just speak into the mic because I'm sure our planners would want to hear what you you have to say too. >> Is that better? >> I think so. >> It doesn't because we're not hearing it
through the mic. >> She's getting it on the recording, but we're not hearing it through the speaker system. >> Yes. the be witness mic usually works. >> Yes.
>> I mean, we can hear you. >> Yeah. >> But but it's not we're not we're hearing your voice. We're not hearing it through the speakers. >> Like when I talk Hello. >> Yeah. >> When I listen to it for resolution compliance, I'm like, "What's going on with my computer? Why can't I hear
anything?" >> Exactly. >> Would it help if I sat there? >> It might. Well, let's see what Sean is able to do in the back. >> Probably >> they're being replaced very soon. If
anyone was concerned, >> been saying that for a while, but it's true. >> Sit there. Yeah. >> If you don't like >> I'll try to use this. >> It's okay. >> Something
up there. >> No, we can hear you now. The speakers also it's working. >> Yeah. >> I got it. Sha just go ahead >> and Shauna is gonna Okay, thank you.
>> Okay, so if we just kind of describe the site, I know Ed did, but I I'll just go over it briefly again. This is two existing lots. They both have fronts on Doctor's Chain Parker Boulevard. Uh it's 0052 acres, which is 22,500 square feet
in German. uh it's in the RD residential zoning district that does allow two family houses and based on the lot size if you do the math we allow up to six units and so as Mr. McKenna said we did look at a bunch of different options for
this which I'll get into in a second. Um could you go to the next slide? These are some photographs um along Parker Boulevard and you can kind of see this one. You can see that this is the driveway for the
housing authority and then this is the big nothing leading to that house over 250 ft back. So that's what exists. Um let me just I'm sorry. We should probably mark in these photographs. Uh how many photographs are we talking here?
>> Just four. All right. We'll mark that in as exhibit A5. Can you see? >> Can you zoom in? >> You just want to zoom into each one. >> Yeah. Make it full screen presentation. Okay. Yeah. >> So, this is across this one is across
the street which leads to Johnny Jazz Park which is on the corner of Shrewsbury Avenue and Dr. Park. And to the right we just said was the So we're going west on the other side of the street to the right of work. This way
that would be the site viewed from Dr. Parker Boulevard. This one just again that's the driveway. And then Sean if you go down to the left the lower Okay, so this is the coffee corral is here and this so this is looking back at
the site the back the house is way back here and if you go to the last one which would be to the right of this one y this is the kind of event building maintenance buildings secondary buildings of the coffee and
again this is Dr. Can you go to the next board please? Thank you. So this is an aerial photo of the site. So in the red is the property. So again
here's the house. This is the senior's housing authority property. This is the Elks Club. This is the coffee corral which uses to this is uh four buildings three of which are houses one is an office building and they're set back
about 150 ft from the river property one and then to the west are the single and two family houses that extend to Leon Avenue and across the street soon. All right. So let me just Is this the same photograph that's inside the uh our own newsletter or separate?
>> No, we should we should mark it separately. Okay. So this is exhibit A6 which is an aerial with the subject property act. If you go to the next slide. Okay. So this is is this just be another.
>> Okay. >> All right. So tell me what it is. Well, again, it's a colorcoded use diagram of um the area around the subject properth. >> So, this light blue are institutional
uses, which would be the public housing authority in the Elks Club. The red are commercial uses, yellow are residential uses, one and two family. And then these are the two proposed buildings. This one being a two family house. This being a two family
house. And the parking there will be. So you so this is the this is the development plan. Now, as uh just to we don't have any other graphics of this, but we did look at getting these the driveway on this side of the property, which would
be the east side of property, and lining up six town houses here, which would have uh detached garages, one per unit. And so that would meet the density requirement and we could meet the
setbacks, but there would be two more units and there'd be more lot coverage. So, um, our client decided not to do this. Then we looked at doing this with three two family houses because that would maintain six units. And we did
meet with um Jackie and Shauna kind of informally just to get a feel for it. And they agreed and well, they said and we agreed that it was two deaths that that even though we could make argument that it would meet the the ordinance, we felt we all felt it was two deaths. So
we basically came down to having these two buildings and um I'll get into the architects of that. >> May I ask management of this? Is this going to be is this a single association or or how is this going to be managed?
>> It's going to be a cross agreement. Um I have about three or four similar examples of that. The two parties enter into agreement. uh they create a fund so that they're in they pay in addition to
whatever the costs are they they have a monthly obligation they pay into a fund maintain the properties that include landscaping plowing etc. >> Well why are you not just doing a condominium of four units?
We we considered that idea was make them rentals at at the time that we discussed it. The idea was to make the rentals because we thought that was worth
by the community making the rental. >> Okay. So, so they're all going to be owned by Okay. >> Correct. You can still do what condo and have multiples. I'm just saying I think I think it I think some of your problems go away if
it's all one lot with with the four units on it. >> Some some of them at least in my mind. >> Yeah. No, I understand. I mean that that's an option that that we could avail ourselves of that. The board felt that was a better option. We could avail
ourselves of that. >> I'm just stupid attorney. I don't ask me but but that just that just stupid but >> but uh that that is something we discussed I don't want you to think for a second that wasn't something that we
discussed and if at the end of and if at the end of this case the board feels that would be a better option then then if you advise us on that then I'm sure sure we will discuss it amongst ourselves and like it in all likelihood
reach a conclusion that that's acceptable. We create a homeowner association. You know, one of the one of the things that we do in connection with that just that we're trying to we we spent a lot of time looking at the
area in question, housing needs, and that that was our conclusion. Perhaps the meant to smooth. We don't know. Well, how are the uh as long as we're on this subject, assuming that we do it the way you wanted that you're proposing now, the the two family each of the two
families, how are they going to be governed? >> I'm sorry. >> So, so you have two two families. How is the two I guess they're all going to be regal by the same person? Okay. So, that's not an issue. Right. Right. I got it. Thanks. Is >> this open now to
>> Yeah, I mean boards can the board can always jump in if it has a question. Was there any um >> off >> was there any uh discussion of doing just like a six uh what is it called like a forplex
quadlex six >> uh instead of instead of the two separate buildings? >> Yes. >> Okay. And >> look at that option. And again, um, my clients felt that the two family option was most
prevalent to them, but prevalent in the neighborhood. And so rather than the town houses or a small apartment building, which is built building it, uh, they opted for this because again we we stressed to them that we
could have the six units. >> Yeah. So therefore, but they they were pretty adamant about this option. >> I'm just worried about the amount of asphalt that you're putting down for that. >> I think I can I can speak to that a little bit.
>> Sure. No, just because I know that it floods a lot to begin with and then you're you're putting on more you're putting down more asphalt, >> right? Um and and Mr. Burrito speaks to that also. All right. Can you go to the next slide,
Sean? I'm sorry. I'm not sure whether you know what this is. >> This a new exhibit also, right? It's a new exhibit. >> Yes. >> All right. So, it's going to be exhibit A8. Just tell me what it is. >> It's a Sandborn tax ax map. >> I love this. >> The late late 1920s.
>> From the late 1920s. >> Okay. Now what a sandborn map is I'm not telling you something to not a sandborn map is back in before the
digital world the towns would have lots to define properties by size and tax rate but they would not have the improvements and the Sandborn map company would map the improvements and update these improvements every couple
of So, you know, when you look at this instruct the new that's where the colors come from in planning lingo to determine which is you when you draw them, which one is commercial, which one's institutional, which one's whatever. So
they're the same ones. Shauna, can you move to the Yes. Thank you. Now this is our property. What's what's always interesting about looking at this is the now buildings that are no longer here. So this whole thing here is part of housing authority. So things were consolidated. But the thing that's
really interesting about this in that's the 1925 house that exists now. There was an up and it was in front of it on Dr. park. So there were two houses
with a common garage building between that was shared. So what we are proposing is really not all that different than what is on this map from roughly 100 years ago.
So when you look at this again, you see the one building and our one building faces this way. The difference is that our backfield in turns 90 degrees to face that way because it's a better view this fix that we think it's better for Duke. So, so this is a historic
precedent on that particular property when the property got subdivided because there's a subdivision now goes like this. But we're proposing instead of having it perpendicular to Dr. Boulevard, make it arrow.
That's really the difference. And then the flag lot or access easement allows you to get to the back building, which obviously happened here at some point, which is why when you go there, the driveway is 250 ft long.
Go to the next slide. So, we're talking about a subdivision to rearrange buildings. So, they're front to back. Um, we're also there two two family houses. They're on separate lots. Um, the access we just spoke about which is
here. And if you look in the middle, there's a substantial amount of plantings because of the way we designed the parking. So these houses do not have garages
because garages take up about 600 square ft each. So that's another 1,200 square ft of lot coverage. So to not have what we we don't have garages, what we have instead are eight parking spaces, which is a few districts. And then we have
islands within it that create this almost small grove of trees. Now from a sustainability standpoint that that does is it reduces what it calls heat which is what happens when you have a lot of stable parking lot in
the summer and all the concrete heats up and then radiates out and that's why it's so hot for parking lot as opposed to on somebody's lawn as opposed on somebody's lawn retreat. So, we think from a sustainability standpoint, this is a far better solution,
create this grove of trees that will shield the parking lot, which won't be I mean, you'll have to be standing in the uh housing authorities driveway to see this park. The building blocks it and then this provides this kind of green
oasis in the parking areas around. Now, >> was that an exhibit? That's We don't have that, right? >> Well, Mr. Burrito has this in his pack, but we colored the trees. >> So, I don't know. Is that Is it new? >> If you colored the trees, we probably
should mark. It's annoying, but yeah. Not on your end, on our on our end. But so, we'll mark that in as exhibit A9. It's the uh landscaping plan. >> Yes. >> Powerrise landscaping plan.
Okay. Color enhanced better. Yes. >> Now, because we turned the back unit so that it based Dr. Parker on the long axis here, we have one of our C variances, which is the combined
sideyards are a little short of what's required. But we did that for a couple of reasons. One, the distance between this and the house on Shrewsbury Avenue is 130 ft. So we felt that we weren't really impinged on that garden. And then this
is the Elks Club parking lot. Back here is a parking lot for another professional development. And then the distance between the building and one of the units in the senior center is about 40 ft. Which is actually a little longer than it is now between the existing
house. So we felt that this was a better alternative because when you look at the two buildings which are the same, it's an old developer trick which is that you keep changing the perspective of the building so that they don't look the same.
That's why you have windy roads middle town going through hotels so that you never really see the same house look from the same direction so it looks like whole different. Um so we think that because of what's around the context that variance is
justifiable and that the turning of the house relative to the other one below again Sean if I don't you don't mind going down a bit right you see this one is turned because again this distance is more similar to the houses around they
tend to be thin so we could make one thin and deep the other is wide Now, if we go to the architectural plan, which I think Sean has in the next one here, right? So, each unit is 1,650
square ft, three bed. But if you look at most three-bedroom houses, you might be able to get it down to 1,500. It's really tight. 1,650 is comfortable. The rooms are good sizes. kitchen's decent size bedrooms all work. We do have a partially finished attic which would not
be used as a bedroom. There's no bathroom, but it would be like the classic wreck space or something and that's 170 ft. So together that would be 1,800 points. Um, Jackie had asked for some calculations
and I did that graphically on the next sheet, Jackie, to show that's 170 where that sub 170 came from. So, if you could scroll to the next, it's a little hard to see. It's writing here. It's X. So the ordinance says it's the
area that's seven feet and above. So if you take this area here and the staircase that equals 116, >> okay, >> which is the big deal is that in both the building code and in your zoning ordinance, if the finished attic is
greater than oneird the size of the second floor, then it's considered a store. And as Jackie correctly points out in the letter, if that was the case, we'd be asking for a three-story building, which would be another variance. But since it's less than a third, it's a finished attic, which
means we have so there is this feature here is another sustainability thing. this. If you look at a lot of really old houses, and we're talking about going
back to like mid 19th century, they have what's called a Belvadier. And a Belvadier was kind of like a a little tower of glass in the middle of the building where no light would protrude. So there's always a dark part
of the house in the middle because houses got bigger and more square. That was just the way it worked. So what these will do cuz the staircase runs on either side of this. So there's a party wall between this light will spill down the staircases and basically make more
light in the hallway. And the sustainability part of it is you'll use a less electricity and lighting. Uh they also will be operable. So what will happen on a nice spring day or a really fall day is when these windows
are open, it's called a flu effect just like a flu fire does except there's five. Um the warm air will rise as it normally does come out and exit here. And so this will create what they call a convection
loop which will keep the house cooler which will reduce air conditioning which energy which is what makes it sustainable. U again in the engineers letter in the basement we have a we have a it's not finished initially we have a bathroom
down there. Uh the bathroom will contain what's called an ejector pump. So the effluent that the bathroom uses is pumped up and then pumped into the sewer line and then goes out into the normal
system. So it's not anything more than a small pump that fits into an area through and it's covered by coverage water based
from there is another question about the beer. decks. So if you put it back to the technical >> um could you go first please? >> Yeah these areas these decks
um they have been altered based on kind of a final revision of these and we just kind of missed revising this. They're they're on Mr. the burritos plan. They're 10 foot by 11t. That's what they'll do. Um we will have two staircases to
maintain the the um landscape units here. And in between the two is where the trash receptacles will go for each unit. In this area here, this recess here, that's where the condensing units will
go for this unit. on the other they're symmetrical so they'll be screened with a decorative fence. I don't think there's enough room for landscaping. I mean that we'll try to landscape them otherwise it >> does that create a variance I don't
does the location of the condensers >> well no they're not >> that in the setback I just >> they'll be here here here >> the condensate there'll be more
a lot too. >> I have a question. >> And then the elevation. >> Sorry, just No, no, just a quick question. Um, what are you thinking about garbage pickup? How are you going to handle that?
>> Well, the cans will be brought out. >> The people in the back are going to roll the cans down. Okay, >> we've seen other locations. Usually what they do is they have a cart the can put it to the cans that are in the cart.
The real cart where I'm sorry >> where are the where are the cans kept? >> Right. And right oops sorry right here.
So this is one deck. That's one deck. It's landscaping offer here kept here. So keep them on the side and and the the bar the bar unit has to walk around here and
so they walk out. They'll walk around. But the the back unit this one. >> Yes. So, so, so the person who lives on the floor where they can >> in the back. All right. So, they both have access to the back. >> Yes.
>> Okay. Okay. It's a side by side. >> Got it. So, um Oh, the elevations and I guess it's kind of So the this would be a dimensional asphalting system. There are metal
roofing highlights in some of the box windows and things like that. Uh it'll be fiber cement siding, you know, horizontal lap siding. So it's like a platform and then in the gables would be a bat siding and break up the mass. Color hasn't been finally chosen. We
kind of like like a very off color. I think that comes out against the trees really well and you know for nine months of the year but that that's my preference >> and uh the material sighting um is is
this like common along Shberry Avenue? >> Well, most of the stuff on Shberry Avenue is probably vinyl but but compile wise >> absolutely it definitely that way that's why we selected it.
The house is 25'6 in high. So it meets the ordinance. Okay. So now if I go to my planning decimal maybe positive. So we really as again the engineers letter pointed out it's really since it's an allowed use it's
really about positive negative criteria. So being a positive person start positive criteria. Um if you look at the positive criteria uh there's a list of different positive aspects to a project
and this would meet in my opinions um letters A, E, G and I. A is an appropriate think considering what's uh E is population densities and again we're below what's what's the say so I
can't see why that's not a positive thing. Um, again, it's appropriate relative to context and also appropriate relative to use. And again, we are in a housing crisis. That's nobody's kidding anybody about that. So, using this as a
residential use as opposed to some of the permitted non-residential uses, we think it's a positive aspect. And the last is visual environment. I think what we've done with the house is to reorient them. I think they do blend in with the neighborhood to some extent. We do have a setback variance from Dr. Parker
Boulevard. That's on purpose. We wanted to set back an amount similar to the other houses, not sell way back. Um there are areas of town where you can uh petition the board to um
average the setback relative to the neighboring properties and we think we qualify for that and we would be doing so building the houses to the west are all probably
maximum about 15 ft probably so 18 ft regarding The master plan as you know from the master plan there are these four categories in the master plan it's organized a little differently. One's called balanced. The part one has to do with smart growth and the big issue with
smart growth is targeted info development. This is absolutely positive with targeted. Uh the second would be uh residential quality of life and I think a lot of that has to do with adjacent land uses mix of resources available. We're close
to uh we're close to a bus line. We're walking distance from train line. Uh we have a park on the corner. We have serviceoriented commercial right on Truth Avenue. So I think it's an ideal.
Uh the other next section is called equitable. Um and that's again the access to public facilities. So we talk about John Jazz Park and the bus and train access. Also number three talks about strengthening strengthening the existing neighborhood context. So a lot
of two family houses even more two family houses and certainly the senior center which is multif family we're not overdeveloping the study uh we could develop it but the last one is prepared which is environmental sustainability and I talk
about the e island and the trees and center where there are on that and miss talk about the school work better but I know that's something that we've gone back and forth with and we're very the storm situation
more than oh no I'm sorry the negative criteria again it's less dense than allowed by ordinance it's an allowed use the neighboring properties are not really impacted again to the north you have similar setbacks with two family house
units the south there is not residential development not negatively impact many there. To the west is the driveway for the housing company and to the east is a large open space where the coffee corral is and you need to remember that I don't
know which board approved eight years ago but that site is approved for a shopping center and that shopping center would have a parking lot back which is actually a very nice thing but it would be adjacent to our property. So again, nothing developed on that property is going to
be impacted by these two two. I think we meet the mission. So therefore, I don't think there really is a data. I think we meet the standard of positive criteria significantly out. Did you say earlier that you could build
an as of right plan with six um six units? >> Build a density of six, >> right? But >> an as of right application with no variances whatsoever. >> We when we looked at the town houses we thought that they were done.
>> So you don't have a copy of that plan to show the early thing we did >> almost two years ago. >> No. No. I appreciate that. >> Yeah. It's just it's hard for me to imagine how something like that could be on there with no various relief
whatsoever. But Make it skinny. >> Yeah, that'd be really skinny. >> I don't know. I'm just trying to envision it. >> Be honest with you, it was the first thing I showed my client because I thought that was going to be the thing
that they would want to do. >> Well, and it would be similar to what's at the end of Dr. James. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Yes. I'm just I I'm stuck on this parking lot in the middle of the lot. >> Well, again,
>> is anyone else it's a >> Does that bring you joy? >> Four spaces. >> But do you require four space, eight spaces? >> Yes. The recent standards open. I thought RSIS updated their their
language where it's no longer the minimum is it's the maximum parking is two spaces. >> Yeah. Right. >> Yeah. Which totally switch flips the narrative that we don't need eight
spaces. But you can Right. It's no longer the minimum, it's the maximum. So if you could prove that your site doesn't need it, you don't have to put it in the maximum. Yeah. Like think there's
three criteria underneath it. >> Yeah. Like Redbang being like a town centerish place type. It is a protesting proximity to transit
would be another you know my take on parking. So sorry the test center would determine that you would like to see a smaller parking lot with less space. It's my my clients have said that
they have an addition is >> I am but one person but yes that would be are definitely flexible on the >> you're trying to beat what we thought was the ordinance. >> No, I I just
>> I'm sorry. Um I forgot in in our talks, did we ever discuss turning both houses the same size, not um as in making it both long way and not that
long and vertical? Yeah, we did talk about that and and >> I think and then I think I remember that the the turning and having them look different was considered to be more positive than having as I recall
>> the parking lot too. So if we're if we are minimizing the parking we may turn both to be on one. I mean it's something we >> from and I feel like we've seen four
different versions of this >> at least. Um >> so there I think you did look into that and maintaining the number of spaces at 8. Um there wasn't enough space to
back out of the last one. It was and and and come out because your driveway is already thinner than it should be. So >> easy >> if they if you want to reduce the spa allow them to reduce the spaces maybe. >> Oh yes,
>> that might be >> out spaces. But I've always looked honestly I've always looked. >> Okay, Jackie. I just need I just need I I believe you. I believe you, but I just need clarification of this on the record
because this is I don't know everything and it's new to me this RSI thing. >> So your letter says that they require eight spaces. So you're saying they don't require eight spaces that they could do they could do they could do two spaces.
>> The red ordinance the red bank ordinance >> forget the ordinance. and talk about RSIS. >> RSIS and I have it I I could pull it up um was changed in 2023 maybe. >> Okay.
>> Ruters did a study from developers funded by developers I believe >> where they changed um the exact wording to it's no longer the minimum
requirement. Now it's the maximum requirement, but you had to there were I could pull it up. There's three or four. So in the past, right, you would have if a town wanted to reduce the number of spaces required
and not be consistent with RSIs, you'd have to present a plan and that plan would have to be approved by the by who was it? DCA, right? >> And there were certain towns that allow that they allowed that. that goes away because they changed the
wording to maximum, but there's still two or three like there's at least three things that an applicant has to justify. So now you don't have to justify to DCA, you justify it to the board. >> Okay. So that let let me let me
>> So now you could come in with like a hundred a 100 unit apartment building and you and come in with one parking space and the board has the right to say yes. >> Well, I'm just trying No, I'm I'm using the absurd example just so the board understands it because if it's a maximum, not a
>> minimum, that doesn't make it doesn't make sense to me. So I'm just I need to understand >> and that's why you have to there's those let me just pull it. those requirements you'd have to hit um >> if I can say that I think it shifts the
burden. I'm not aware of >> it sounds like it. >> Yeah. Which is interesting. >> It's been done enough. >> It shifts the burden to the town, right? To to the town to >> the developer to justify >> Yes.
>> Yeah. To provide >> I see I see what you're saying. Okay. That that makes more sense than what's going in my head. do so it gives them an avenue to prove it >> for the Jackie you agree with that that that's what it is is that the board could require the eight spaces if it
wishes and but the developer has a right to say look this is why we only need one space >> okay that makes sense to me then >> in fact when I opened up my RSI it just went straight to that section >> okay >> um >> and I'm learning this for the first time today too so because I've never I've not
had a board engineer tell me so So actually market it's especially happening not in in small much smaller developments like this it's it's happening in the larger you know 40 units 50 units whatever used to be two
spaces now it's 1.2 right.3.4 for and especially um for example like on on bomb street case right out here they're two blocks with transport >> yeah and and and the New York bus
>> it it it makes perfect sense now that I understand that it's just the board could still enforce the eight spaces if it wished but but you have the ability to easily more easily grant the what what used to be a variance or or a waiver from the RS that makes perfect
sense to me so I I'm sorry to waste your client's time with educating me. I do not charge you for that. But I I appreciate >> I appreciate you telling me that >> maximum maximum number of parking spaces
instead of minimum. It's in old. >> Do you just say what the criteria or the >> I'm trying to find that >> justification that the applicant has to approve >> just because if they're going to reduce their number >> it changed
>> then we have to know well they have to know >> here it is 4.4 So I'm reading from 521-4.14 parking. >> Oh, sorry. >> Turn it up.
>> Oh, sorry about that. So for 521-4.14 from the RSIS. So the table table 4.4 specifies the maximum number of parking spaces planning boards and other local reviewers shall require. Maximum. The
number of parking spaces is based on the number, size, and type of dwelling. Reviewers may allow fewer parking spaces when warranted. Factors that may affect parking include the following. Number one, household characteristics. Number two, access to mass transit. Number
three, geographic location. And number four, off-site parking resources. Approvals with fewer parking spaces with fewer parking spaces shall be exempt from the dimminimous exception process.
the notice requirement shall not apply for approvals with fewer parking spaces. So that whole process of of getting that the you know a plan in place for the town goes away >> right >> and look at it per development.
>> Okay. All right. >> It's highlighted all over it. It was >> you can send that to me also. I I >> Okay. But but go ahead. So, so, so yes, just so the board's clear, the board could require the full parking that they're proposing or you could
for less. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> Yes. And and I was just going to put it out there if you know Redbank is designated as a town center like the two spots per unit is a very suburban place type you know standard. So you you would
have an argument I don't even know if I'm allowed to say this to reduce the the amount of parking >> and >> they would be agreeable. Well, then does that change your would that then
allow for you to revise your site plan to not only just the um parking lot, but the orientation of the the units? Yeah. Are you maxed out on
unit on square footage for the units currently or is this a coverage issue? >> I don't think it's >> So, so essentially if are you maxed out on impervious right now? I don't have the data in front of me.
Like if you reduce the amount of paved parking surface area, could you then potentially increase the size of your units? >> No, I don't believe so. Okay. just meeting just on that point while they're talking
because now now I'm curious um if if the while they're talking if the board wanted to reduce the uh reduce the number of parking spaces but the applicant said no we want to have our
max parking because we feel like need it. Could the Would the board be justified in denying an application because they refuse to lessen their parking? >> Um, be a legal question. >> Yeah, I don't think they would. >> I'm just throwing That's a fair
response. I don't know the answer to that. My instinct would be that they would not be able to do that. So, >> it's never I've never encountered that. It's always the other way around. >> It's always the other way around. This time it's emanated from us. So it's just
>> I would agree it's a lot of paving a residential site. It's a lot of paving. >> You have something Mark therefore I think could justify. >> I agree. It's a lot of paving for a residential. >> Yeah, I think you could.
>> Yeah, of all. Are there any there's doesn't appear to be any sort of buffer plantings? It's not a requirement that I'm aware of on the sideyard where the rear of the building is. >> If you look at Mr. Burritos, that's an early concept plan. If you look at Mr.
Burrito's plan here, well, it's not hard to see, but there's buffer plantings everywhere. Here, back here, there's street trees in front. And then this is as treated as it could possibly be. >> I was Yeah. The only the thing that
catches my eye that's just a little awkward by way of the orientation of the front building is that it effectively sets the rear of the building at the sideyard, right? So that you have your trash enclosures, your decks, your AC
condensers up against the sideyard of the coffee corral property, >> right? Is that correct? >> Yeah. logic was that that's never going to be a res. >> No. Yeah. No, not really. >> That that's never going to be a residential development.
>> So therefore, it's going to be support services and parking for a shopping center or the coffee ground. And therefore, I don't really see there being >> I understand that that was the logic of earning this. Plus, that allowed the driveway to throw. This kind of stops
your view and kind of makes this more important. We've got government lasting trade and if we were wanted us to do so, we could definitely decrease the parking and therefore in
purpose area and addies. If this is the direction the board want the majority of the board wants to go, can I get an idea for the applicant? How many parking spaces are you looking for? because I think that's an important question for the applicant to know like
what are you looking for? >> I mean I'll say but then we could have a dialogue. >> Of course I you're just one person and but I think there's now been two people who who have made the comment. So I I think you should give the opin said they're open to the discussion. I think you should give them an idea of what
you're looking for. I see like four four to six or is that that's two extra spaces that I just threw in. But like I would say four I would say four >> minimum. So one space per
house or house >> but the four to six you know if you have company and and that sort of thing seems to be >> I'm also curious and I don't know if that this is at all possible. I know you had said that the housing authority did they say that they you would grant you
access like they would open up that fence for access to the site? >> Oh yes, excuse me. During the construction phase? Yeah. >> I thought it crazy like could you
There's a whole parking lot there that is underutilized. That that parking lot is never full. But it's just it's just for the construction phase. They're not going to let them on it to park it. >> I don't know. >> Don't know.
Strongly suspect. Oh, I used to represent totally they don't have the flexibility. They operate on a pretty rigid guidelines. But then a lot of it has to do with federal government not just red
set of rules as I said I learned it the hard way I know but uh that they've been I mean we we are actually going to plant if they ask us to we discussed this with
them do we even be willing to plant on their property. >> Yes. >> And we told them we're more than just do it. So we would work with them. It's an >> extra.
>> Oh, right. I forgot. >> So we can't really plan much on our side, but we could plan on the other side if they >> want us to allow us to whatever the mechanism is. and then create massive on but they would have to do something
different >> I would hope so they like mow down all their trees so they kind of need >> cut down all their trees >> well can we just continue that discussion of what the opinion just just so we know where this is going because this is
obviously going to change the direction >> um just been thinking about like the operations for a coffee trail. Um, it's pretty busy most times. And if we're eliminating parking in say guest parking
to park on a street, I would I would aim for the six instead of the four. Um, just because I know how crazy it gets across like that and street itself on both sides. people are crossing and it I mean it's
predominantly more during the morning time but yeah I would I would aim for a six >> but you agreed to that they don't need the eight >> no >> you yes you agree I drive down there pretty much every day and I will tell you that there is street
park there But it it's happened to us all. >> So could the could the people who these two family homes park on the street? The answer is yes. Unquestioned. But but I just want everybody to understand it's not as though there
won't be anybody else parking out there. It's utilized, but they could they could very well park out there, especially as it gets later in the day. It's just it's a busy cut through because everybody goes down Leon Avenue. They take a right hand turn on James Parker. They go to
the light. She was very active and they keep going east. You know, I mean, I see people doing it all day. >> And you just told us your cut through. >> How smooth is my cut through? and the the uh housing authority actually just
requested to eliminate one of the off streetet parking spaces in front of their um property because of the sight triangle and it's difficult for them to come out. So, it does limit it. And then there's also the Thrive parking um Thrive development which is um deficient
in parking as you know Ed. Um so they were counting on the off street parking spaces too. >> Yeah. >> Well the on street parking spaces. Sorry. >> I mean we can make it. Is is anyone in disagreement of going down to six? All
right. So, so not everybody has says then we know and and you're immunable to doing that. >> Yes. All right. So, you just cut the parking lot back and I I don't know if you can give us that. Can you calculate that while we're sitting here? Is that possible? I'm I'm not trying to put I'm
expecting you're going to say no. But >> can I make a suggestion if they're going to come back? Can we kind of hash out other things that the board might suggest so that they don't have to keep >> Yeah. >> revising their plans? >> I was going to suggest I was going to
suggest that next. >> Can I ask you to do that? I didn't since we know we're coming back. We would rather share, you know, get the board's thoughts and try to incorporate everything that we all think is a good idea. So when we come back we have a
revised plan that would reflect what we've been discussing. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So you could answer we have to have public >> um >> I don't believe there's any public here
on this application. If I am incorrect raise your hand. All right. We'll note for the record that there is no public wanting to comment on it. So, uh, we would open to the public normally, but there's literally no one here for it. So, that would just be noted for the record. >> Mr.
>> Mr. Greo, do you swear any testimony you're about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the true self? You got it? >> I do. >> I just state your name for the record. >> AJ Ger >> AJ Gerrio, 265, Route 34, Colts Neck, New Jersey. >> And you're a you're a licensed engineer
and your license is in good standing in the state of New Jersey. >> It is. >> Thank you. Go ahead. Do you want Does it make sense for him maybe to move up here? Is that Oh, you have everything open up in front of you. Don't um I don't know. >> That might be
>> Can that might be past. >> You could just stretch it across. Yeah, I will. Get as close to you as possible. Thanks. That's okay. You have any question? That's not Thank you. Well, there was much discussion on how
how the propertyy's laid out. Um, I need to push this. So, >> we can hear we we we can hear you. >> I'm sorry. Obviously, there's much discussion how the property is laid out, so I won't be repetitive and do that. Um, but basically, the the entire property drains northerly towards James
Parker Boulevard. Um the property is only a half an acre in area, but there's, you know, a fairly extensive drainage system provided for the property. Um there is no um public sewer out on James Parker Boulevard, which
made it a little challenging for us. So, we have a series of uh 12-in ADS pipes throughout the property to collect all the water um within the site. Um and we feed those that that storm sewer system to two underground detention areas. Um
they're going to be um storm uh tech chambers, arch chambers in a stone trench to provide infiltration. Um outflows from the infiltration will come down towards James Parker Boulevard and we're proposing a bubble basin on James
Parker Boulevard. So for most storms, no runoff will leave the site. It'll all be infiltrated back into the ground. But if there's a hundred-year storm, a small amount of water may flow out of that bubble basin and then flow down James Parker Boulevard towards Leighton. That's the way the storm sewer is going.
Um the nearest storm sewer is a few blocks down Leighton. So it's it's several hundred feet from the property. So that's why we're not proposing a direct connection to an existing storm sewer system. Um Mr. O'Neal to explain the the landscaping
question. What what's a bubble basin? >> A bubble Yeah, I apologize. Should should explain that. But basically, a bubble basin is just a catch basin that you might see on the street, a drain, okay water. Um we're proposed and and they're throughout the site, but the final one, the most downstream uh bubble
basin or catch basin is going to be located right um at the driveway where it where it enters onto James Parker Boulevard. And basically, if these real large storms come, and I'm talking a storm where James Parker Boulevard is probably going to have, you know, a good amount of water flowing down the gutters
anyway, um the water will just flow out of that basin and then continue down James Parker Boulevard. So, that that's what a bubble basin is. Um used more nowadays with the the new storm water management regulations and um you know, the very uh regulated storms that we
have to control. Um but anyway, that that's how the storm >> just another question. Um it was said before that the site is likely to flood or have some storm water issues or >> No, I'm not aware of any sort of issue
and we we've done several >> we've done several so uh soil borings throughout the property both for the foundations and and for the drainage system. um we hit no seasonal high water table, no ground water, which is good because these infiltration basins um you
know they're designed according with with storm water the D storm storm water management regulations and the bottom of those basins have to be a minimum of 2 feet above where that seasonal high water table would be. So that sometimes restricts the use of these underground systems but we didn't encounter that um
at our subs subsurface evaluation and we also um found all very permeable favorable soils which was good for the property. So I think the storm water is handled in in a very prudent way. Um the landscaping we discussed um lighting we
prepared a lighting plan with um I'm not I don't recall exactly how many fixtures but it'll light the parking lot in accordance with the burough standards. Um all the utilities will will be coming from James Parker Boulevard. Um currently there's gas and water that goes all the way back 280 ft
to that existing house. Um those will likely be all all new utilities. um as well as a sanitary main running along the side property line um that both of the uh buildings will connect to. Um that's basically it. Um we're proposing
a new uh concrete uh curb and uh apron at the driveway. Uh new sidewalk along the front of the site and any curb or whatever that may or may not be damaged during the construction um the applicant would agree to fix and provide new curbing and sidewalk if required.
Any questions? I'll be happy to answer. >> I might add also that there was a requirement that we televise the line. >> Yes. >> Um which we are uh willing to do to televise the line and deal with any issues that may pop up while televising
the line. So to make sure that that our flow goes through without any problems and >> sanitary >> Yeah. Yeah. >> sanitary solution. And I I did had time to to review Jacqueline's uh technical comments. Um and I don't really unless
the board wants me to go over any of them. Um but they're all sort of minor and technical in nature and we would certainly agree to any revisions we make that would um for her revision for her review and we would revise to her satisfaction.
And I believe we're going to be making some revisions before we come back. So, um, I'll incorporate any technical revisions we can as well as any of the plan changes that the board is suggesting suggesting. I think my emphasis just in terms of the
storm water aside from the technical >> I think um what we would like to see in addition to it's all in our letter you know c certain grading changes and um inverts um I don't think we got the soil test results
>> yeah you you did question that and we'll provide permeability test so >> that's it's all hinging on that right everything you're thinking all watering you're putting in the ground and you're telling us that there's going to be less water from a peak runoff out of the site
than it is today and that's all it's all going to be in permeability. Correct. >> And if I don't if we can't check the soils and verify that then the whole then we can't we can't sign off on on what's being proposed. >> That's un that's understood and and we'll provide those those test results
to you. >> Thank you. Anybody have a question? >> I guess for the board in general to to echo Jackie's concern earlier, are there other issues that the board sees that
they would like addressed prior to the next hearing? All right. I don't hear any. So, I guess all we're looking for Go ahead. Just a qu. What's the uh like to see the front elevation of that front building? Do you have that available? The one that's
tucked to the side. Um >> I have that in a in an elevation, but context. >> Okay. If >> it would be good to see. I just >> again the only thing that I'm kind of struggling with with that building orientation is that it's effectively
your street front. is the side of Gilda, >> right? So I >> which isn't great in my mind. >> Well, I think you're thinking about a side. So the image goes to the left.
>> So that's the >> upper left is the street. >> That would be facing the street. >> Okay. >> And is that's a entry door. >> Yeah. >> Into the building. So you still see the front entry. >> Yes. Okay. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah, that's helpful. >> Do we want to see them rotate the back house? >> I don't personally have a problem with the back. Does anyone else know?
I mean, I completely understand why the building's rotated for access into the site and the way you situated the drive aisle and everything. >> Yeah, >> you will see them, >> right? >> But they'll be different
>> the windows. Um, so it's a bay window that is next to the deck. Um, and then it seems like it should it might just be because it's offscale a little bit. Um, the two
windows next to the door, are those of like the same size? >> Which this elevation? >> Yeah, this elevation. So, I'm a little just thrown off about the size of them, especially if they're going to be facing
the um >> the it's going to be a representation of the front of the house. >> Are you these windows? >> Yeah, the both. So, that's the window. >> These windows are about four feet tall. >> Okay. And then >> they're there in the dining so that
there's a like if you're entertaining and shaving dishes, >> right? So that's why it's at the height that >> these two are taller because of I believe that they're remember
>> but are they both the same size? >> Yeah. No, one's caught in the bay window or taller. The other >> no next to each other. Not that they would know. No, >> these two. >> Yeah, >> they should be. >> But you're right. >> The same.
>> They should be the same. They should be the same. >> They It's only because if that's going to be, as Brian's point, that's what's going to be on doctor's face. They should be a little bit bigger. It just looks like tiny, you know.
>> Yeah. I don't know. Like I don't know if we're overstepping uh you know, what we're allowed to comment on. They're really well you can definitely ask for an elevation to see what it's going to look like that 100% you can ask for that is not overstepping
>> but I think being that it's the street front elevation and the building is turned to the side so this is effectively the side of the building some like a little more attention to the entry from this side since it's facing the street
>> would I think would be helpful >> certainly I think the easiest Do you think would be enough? >> Yeah. Like even if you took the the metal roof around the way you did on the bay side or or some sort of >> modification. >> Yeah. >> To to kind of address the street
>> in a in a more meaningful way I think would be helpful. >> Discuss. >> Yeah. >> I don't think that's a big issue. >> Okay. >> So the other unit in that building is the o like would be the opposite would mirror that, right? The entrance. >> Yes. >> Be in the back.
facing >> the same >> because I'm also like cognizant of the fact that and I understand the adjacent lot is zoned to allow for effectively a whole parking lot there. So,
um but I am going to cough corral all the time. I'm always looking at that lot. Um, and I don't, this may be a question Shauna, you may know. Um, is the zoning requirement of the coffee corral lot, would it to ever be
redeveloped require buffer plantings against that sideyard? >> It would. >> It would, right? >> Because it if it's parking, then it needs um the landscaping. >> Okay. So, that would kind of solve it right there.
>> Yeah. because it seems quite exposed to have the decks and the AC condensers and that sort of thing right up against that sideyard, >> but seems that we've already covered that in the zoning if it ever does get redeveloped
>> in neighboring properties going to be required >> to plant buffer trees that are on site. >> They are okay. Yep. So, okay. Yeah. >> All right. So you So you might be Ed,
you'll be able to get us a rendering of what this is going to look like from the street because I think that's what is looking for. Yeah. Okay. >> Anybody else anything? >> I think to do discuss the time
we have to adise our clients and professionals. >> Three years. >> Yeah, it's been three years. We already put in so uh but I mean get an idea from from our professionals >> how long you need. >> Yeah. And and and the board also Jack
you want to have your planner. Uh >> prepared and and I I can't tell how much we appreciate your your um you know your importance. We want right by the tent
and we all live here. So it's uh >> yeah we're right back. They they had property right back forever. >> I was born in River. >> Uh it's a it's a good
>> but u yeah. So what so what are you in for? I think I think we're pretty much open, right? That >> Yeah, >> that's so it's really your call >> to address your plans and how much time.
>> Oh, >> I prefer to work on a deadline. So when when is the next available time? >> I mean, we have a meeting in >> in the end of this month at the 28th and then February 11th. So >> obviously that meeting would be probably the meeting after that. Yeah,
>> February 11th. So >> fine. >> So are we trying to get to February 11th? Is that we're trying to >> Yeah, we're going to jer it to February 11th if that works for you, Jack. >> Are you able to get us because
I don't want to have the planners review the old plans. Well, we got to have them done 10 days ahead of time. >> Yeah. I mean, I I I don't think the physical change is going to be all that much. It's going be more of a dotting the eyes and crossing the tees with your
your technical comments. >> Um could >> could we get it by the 28th or >> do we need do you need the soil testings? Are you >> He said he already soil testing all done. >> You would have everything. Yeah. Okay. But he hasn't.
>> Yeah, there's a lot of things in Jack. >> I I I could get them I can get them by the 28th if I can. >> Okay. All right. So So you're com Everyone's comfortable with the 11th. Yeah. >> They get us the plans by the 28th. We'd have enough time to have the planners review those by the 11th.
>> Okay. >> I know. And we can get the letters out. You know, it's it's just tight for everyone. That's all. >> Yeah. All right. So then we're if there's nothing else then we're looking for a uh we're going to carry this application a motion to carry this application to the
February 11th meeting without further notice. >> I motion to carry the application to February 11th. >> Second. All in >> favor? Okay. So I know there's no public here, but I'm going to say nevertheless. Uh this application is being carried to the
meeting of February 11th at 700 p.m. You will not receive any further notice. If you wish to be part of this application, please be in this room at 7 p.m. on February 11th. Thank you. >> Thank you. I want to thank the board for
it time. We appreciate the >> Thank you. >> We definitely meeting. Yeah, >> we are pressing >> motion to adjourn meeting. >> We're good. >> All in favor? I
>> are adjourn at 8:35.