WEBVTT METADATA Video-Count: 1 Video-1: youtube.com/watch?v=eMBo4JYAZss Part: 1 1 00:00:14.080 --> 00:00:30.160 in the Two River Times. No new cases will be heard after 10 p.m. which is also our absolute drop dead date since time, excuse me, since it's way past my bedtime. And if we need, we will um stop for a recess at 8:30 if we need it. Roll 2 00:00:30.160 --> 00:00:46.079 call, please. >> Mayor Portman >> here. >> Shauna Ebanks here. >> Christina Bonitakis >> here. >> Dan Manuso >> here. >> Lewis Dementoto >> here. >> Barbara Bis here. >> Megan Massie absent. >> It Hernandez 3 00:00:46.079 --> 00:01:00.399 >> here. >> Fred Stone absent. And Brian Parnean >> here. We've got a couple of administrative matters that we will move to the end of the meeting. And our public hearing tonight is uh Bridge Avenue and Oakland Street, block 41, 4 00:01:00.399 --> 00:01:16.720 lots 2345601 6027 uh block 63, lot 550167 and 701. This is Denzar at Transit LLC. This is the train station redevelopment. Mr. Murphy, welcome. >> Thank you so much, Chair. Everyone can 5 00:01:16.720 --> 00:01:33.520 hear me with this microphone. >> We're okay. Before we start, let me just uh mark in the exhibits that I have, the pre-mark exhibits, and you can pretty much follow along on the TNM review letter. Uh, exhibit A1 is going to be the preliminary and final major site plan and major subdivision plan. Exhibit A2 6 00:01:33.520 --> 00:01:49.759 will be the preliminary and final major subdivision plan. Exhibit A3 will be the architectural plans. Exhibit A4 will be the landscape plans. Exhibit A5 will be the boundary and partial topographical survey. Exhibit A6 will be the traffic impact study. Exhibit A7 will be the 7 00:01:49.759 --> 00:02:05.360 storm water management report. I then skip a couple. We'll go to A8 will be the engineers report for proposed water and sewer service. And then A9 would be the affordable housing plan. Those are the exhibits that I'm pre-marking on behalf of the applicant. I then have the following exhibits on behalf of the 8 00:02:05.360 --> 00:02:20.000 board. Exhibit B1 as in board one will be the TNM review letter. Exhibit B2 will be the BFJ planning review letter. Exhibit B3 will be the Environmental Commission's review and exhibit B4 will 9 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:37.120 be the Shade Tree Commission's review. >> That's all I have. >> Thank you. So, Murphy, you just want to put your appearance on the record. >> Sure. Thank Thank you, councelor. Um uh for the record, good evening. Uh Chris Murphy with the law firm of Murphy Schiller and Wilks here on behalf of the 10 00:02:37.120 --> 00:02:52.879 applicant. Um, we're here tonight seeking preliminary and final major site plan approval along with major subdivision approval for the development of the north parcel of the Redbank Train Station redevelopment area. This project is known as the rail at Redbank North. 11 00:02:52.879 --> 00:03:08.800 On June 11, 2025, following extensive public study and input, the the Burough Council adopted the Redbank train station redevelopment plan. Our application is the first to be presented under this plan. We're proud to say that we've been it's been designed to comply with the plan's goals and standards. Um 12 00:03:08.800 --> 00:03:24.879 we are seeking one minor deviation related to to internally lit LED halo backlight signage. Um which the plan anticipates that there could be a potential deviation. Um we'll go over that uh this evening. Um, the project proposed is a five-story mixeduse 13 00:03:24.879 --> 00:03:39.840 transit oriented development inclusive of 175 residential units, approximately 15,750 ft of retail space and structured parking consisting of 331 parking spaces. Um, this project uh represents 14 00:03:39.840 --> 00:03:56.879 an important public private partnership. Um, the applicant has worked handinhand with the burough of Redbank, the state of New Jersey and NJ Transit uh to bring this vision to life. This development is part of NJ Transit's land plan under which the state aims to create 20,000 new affordable units as part of transit 15 00:03:56.879 --> 00:04:12.799 oriented development throughout New Jersey. The rail at Redbank North is also part of the burough's fourth round uh housing element and fair share plan helping the municipality meet its constitutional affordable housing obligations. Importantly, this project will serve as a link to the burrow. It 16 00:04:12.799 --> 00:04:27.919 will link this burrow together. Um it is entirely open to the public. Um it is not a private enclave. It is a community asset designed to benefit all residents and visitors to Redbank. We think that's incredibly important. You're going to see that tonight in our presentation. Um, as council said, the application has 17 00:04:27.919 --> 00:04:44.560 been deemed complete. We've received and reviewed the engineering and planning reports dated June 26, 2026. Um, as well as comments from the shade tree commission and environmental commission. As you will hear tonight through our witness testimony, we have addressed or will address um each of the comments 18 00:04:44.560 --> 00:05:00.960 raised in those letters. Uh and we look forward to continuing to work collaboratively with the board's professionals to resolve any remaining technical items. Um we're truly excited to present this project tonight. Uh we believe the record will establish a nearly conforming uh project that advances the goals of the redevelopment 19 00:05:00.960 --> 00:05:17.360 plan and represents a tremendous opportunity for the burough of Redbank. Um with that, I'd like to call our first witness, Stuart Johnson, our architect. >> One moment, Mr. Johnson. Everyone, for everyone that's here, I just want to give you a little game plan of of what we're heading towards tonight. We do not 20 00:05:17.360 --> 00:05:32.880 anticipate finishing this application tonight. Uh you are all welcome at some point to get up and ask questions or make comments. So, the way we normally do that is there's going to be a couple of uh presenters from the applicant tonight. The first being their 21 00:05:32.880 --> 00:05:47.840 architect. When their testimony is finished uh and the board is done with any questions of the applicant, the public is welcome to come up and ask the applicant any questions about the testimony you've heard so far. That is not the time for comments. We do 22 00:05:47.840 --> 00:06:04.960 comments at the end and we do limit questions and comments to no more than 5 minutes. Um but you're all welcome to uh get up and ask questions or make comments when the time comes. So, I just want to make that clear for everybody. I very much appreciate everyone being here. Go ahead, Mr. Murphy. 23 00:06:04.960 --> 00:06:19.680 >> Okay. >> Let me swear in M. Mr. Johnson. Mr. Johnson, do you swearing testimony you're about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth, self God? >> Uh, yes, I do. >> And just state your name for the record? >> Sure. Uh, Stuart Johnson. Uh, last name Johnson. J O H N H N H N H N H N H N H N H N H N H N S O N. >> And you are a licensed architect in the state of New Jersey. 24 00:06:19.680 --> 00:06:35.440 >> I am. I'm a registered architect with the current New Jersey uh New Jersey license. Yes. >> Thank you. And your license is in good standing? >> It is. >> Thank you. We don't need anything further. >> Okay. >> Uh Mr. Mr. Johnson, um you've been qualified as an architect. Um for the benefit of the board, can you uh provide 25 00:06:35.440 --> 00:06:51.280 an overview of the architectural elements of this project? >> Sure. Um I'm I'm going to begin with my first exhibit here this evening. This is an existing aerial site plan. Uh I don't believe it was in the submitted packet. I'm h happy to mark this. >> Council, are we going to mark this as A10? >> A10. Okay. 26 00:06:51.280 --> 00:07:07.280 >> A10. Okay. And then I have a flip chart of colorized building plans that I'll refer to next uh that are the same as what was submitted. They're just colorized. I don't know if we want to submit the flip chart here uh consisting of a certain number of sheets or if we want to mark each sheet of the flip 27 00:07:07.280 --> 00:07:22.960 chart. >> You could mark it in as a package assuming they're all the same. They're all related. >> Correct. >> Okay. So, so first of all, what is A10? It's a >> It's an aerial site plan. >> Aerial site plan. Okay. >> A10 is going to be a flip chart certain 28 00:07:22.960 --> 00:07:39.599 number of pages. Correct. >> Oh, you're saying all this is A10. The flip chart is all is part of this exhibit. >> If you're okay with that, we can mark the flip chart here as one exhibit. >> Oh, instead of the second thing. Okay. So, the first the A10 is going to be a package with the aerial exhibits, the 29 00:07:39.599 --> 00:08:00.400 aerial site plan, and the colorized building floor plan. Is that correct? >> Correct. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> How many pages is that? >> Uh, eight pages. >> Eight pages. >> Eight pages. Okay. And this is not part of the architectural plans that we have. >> The existing aerial site plan is not. 30 00:08:00.400 --> 00:08:17.360 Everything else is. It's just a colorized version. So, we added color to building plan. >> The mic. Um, nothing gets picked up without >> Sure. Um, the existing aerial site plan was not part of the package. Uh, everything else is. We just have a colorized version of it. So, um, 31 00:08:17.360 --> 00:08:34.080 >> so remaining seven pages are just colorized versions of what's inside the architectural. Okay. >> Correct. Uh so if I begin with first exhibit here, I'll just orient the board and the public about the site. I think most folks here are familiar with the site. Um the subject property is comprised of 32 00:08:34.080 --> 00:08:50.160 a lot of semblage which is which is comprised of two blocks. The lot area is denoted or highlighted here with the red dash line. It's triangular in shape. uh redevelop the the two lots are within a redevelopment area that are subject to the Redbank 33 00:08:50.160 --> 00:09:05.680 train station redevelopment plan which most folks are aware of. Uh the site is approximately 3.9 acres and it has frontage on Mama Street here to the north. It has frontage on West Street here to the east. We have frontage on Chestnut Street here to the south and 34 00:09:05.680 --> 00:09:23.040 the New Jersey Transit Commuter uh rail line here uh to the west. uh site is currently improved predominantly with surface parking almost 100% imperous coverage as we look at it today you know consisting of asphalt either sidewalks or surface parking uh a few structures 35 00:09:23.040 --> 00:09:39.920 that sit on site um the the parking lots and the infrastructure that are located there obviously serve the commuter uh the commuter train and parking use uh the site currently as exists today is biseected by Oakland Street here that 36 00:09:39.920 --> 00:09:54.640 provides the vehicular access to the site. The site is generally flat as most folks are aware of. Uh there's no known environmental constraints here that you're uh looking at. Um the site also uh contains the historic uh New Jersey 37 00:09:54.640 --> 00:10:11.600 Trans train station as well as the gatekeepers booth which is located here in this corner of the site and a few other miscellaneous structures and sculptures which the redevelopment plan calls for either the rehabilitation of or the preservation. Um, so that's just sort of a quick orientation of the site. 38 00:10:11.600 --> 00:10:28.320 Um, next I'd like to highlight on just a few of the goals and objectives that are outlined and authored within the redevelopment plan before we go into our uh, presentation tonight. And I think when we present the architecture and the site plan, the orientation of the buildings, uh, you know, the articulation and the massing and scale 39 00:10:28.320 --> 00:10:45.600 of the buildings, I I think you'll see it's largely in line with with the development goals and objectives. But just to highlight um you know at a very sort of high level um number one was to increase the connectivity to the existing Redbank uh central commercial district right so that allows for uh uh 40 00:10:45.600 --> 00:11:00.959 pedestrian friendly corridors and connectivity to existing retail um and businesses that are found within the downtown. We also wanted to support uh multimmodal transportation. So that's train, bus, biking, walking throughout the downtown. We wanted to uh promote uh 41 00:11:00.959 --> 00:11:17.519 new multif family housing both market rate as well as affordable housing. We wanted to enhance the public realm at large, right? And largely through providing community open space. I think you'll see that through the new plaza and wounderf. Uh woundf is a Dutch term, but it's for a shared street. So I think 42 00:11:17.519 --> 00:11:34.880 you'll see that the plaza area and the landscaping and the hardscape area that we have between our building and the train station is a wer shared street which offers for a real community amenity for community events. We'll hear more about that from our landscape architecture here this evening. Um also 43 00:11:34.880 --> 00:11:49.839 a reduction in the impervious cover again largely almost 100% impervious coverage. There's a lot of storm water runoff that occurs on the site today. So storm water management retaining that water on site reducing heat island effect right so introducing pvious 44 00:11:49.839 --> 00:12:05.040 coverage green areas on site um to reduce that heat island effect uh community facing uses right that complement existing uses downtown attractive architecture so vibrant architecture high quality building materials on all sides building and 45 00:12:05.040 --> 00:12:23.839 lastly efficient mix of parking options and preserving the historic train station and the other structures uh that we made reference Uh so with that then I'll move to the second sheet of this flip chart >> having trouble seeing you're welcome to come up and stand to take a look at the 46 00:12:23.839 --> 00:12:40.560 exhibits. >> So this is a colorized version of sheet A3. This is the ground floor plan of the building. It uh depicts our proposed building and massing. Um the building conforms uh with the bulk uh requirements in regards to the setbacks 47 00:12:40.560 --> 00:12:55.680 from each of the street frontages uh building coverage, impervious coverage, height, etc. Uh we'll get into the overall building design. Um as I noted, the site's a unique shape. It's almost triangular in shape here. It was important that we have frontage having 48 00:12:55.680 --> 00:13:11.760 frontage on three public rightways that that the building have a presence and a frontage on each of those rightaways. Each of those streets have a different street typology as well. West Street, Chestnut, and Mammoth each have a different street typology. Uh the redevelopment plan speaks to that. Um 49 00:13:11.760 --> 00:13:28.000 our primary residential lobby is located here. And the residential lobby has access off the Werf as well as West Street. We also have a secondary residential lobby that's located here at the intersection of West Street and Chestnut Street. It was always anticipated that the massing of this 50 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:45.519 building be designed to read like two separate buildings. It's a long site and the site obviously uh being triangular in shape and with this new uh shared street that we're providing on on on site, the way you experience the building evolves as you navigate onsite 51 00:13:45.519 --> 00:14:02.079 either from one street frontage to the next or uh walk or drive here along this shared street, you experience the different uh the building differently. So it was important that the massing of the building, the architecture and the building materials that we developed uh two different architectural language uh 52 00:14:02.079 --> 00:14:18.959 languages that allowed for two distinct reads but also harmonized with one another. And we'll see that in a few minutes here when we share some illustrative perspective renderings on the ground floor of the building. These two buildings uh stand as two distinct buildings on the second floor in a minute here and we have dashed lines 53 00:14:18.959 --> 00:14:34.240 that indicate uh there's a bridge connection that connects these two buildings. So we have residential units in the residential corridor that connects uh the two buildings on the second floor. Um the building's also unique here where we have a fivelevel structured parking deck that's wrapped 54 00:14:34.240 --> 00:14:50.639 on three sides. So when I say wrapped on three sides that means we have activated uses ground floor retail on the ground floor, residential apartment units on the upper floor. There's a portion of the one facade, it's actually wrapped on three and a half uh three and a half elevations or frontages. There's there's 55 00:14:50.639 --> 00:15:08.079 a portion of the facade here uh where it's not wrapped due to the depth of the lot and the setback from the property line and you'll see uh later, but we're proposing an artist mural on that wall to activate uh that orientation of the wall. Um within this vertical pre-cast parking 56 00:15:08.079 --> 00:15:24.720 deck, we have 331 structured parking spaces. Uh vehicular ingress and egress access is here off of West Street. We have pedestrian access uh both from West Street as well as from the water. The ground floor level and the basement 57 00:15:24.720 --> 00:15:41.600 level uh provide for a total of 93 parking spaces which are public parking spaces for transit and for the proposed retail. The upper levels of the parking garage are uh dedicated residential parking. We have a secure key fob gate that's located here and a ramp that 58 00:15:41.600 --> 00:15:57.920 provides vehicular access to the upper floors of that garage. And that uh creates for separation between the private residential parking and that of uh the uh the uh public parking. Um in total we have 451 parking spaces for the 59 00:15:57.920 --> 00:16:13.519 project. There are 331 spaces within the new structured parking garage. Uh we have 61 on um on-site surface parking spaces that are located here within the wound. So those are for public and transit use. We also have 59 parking 60 00:16:13.519 --> 00:16:30.480 spaces that are located across the train tracks here also for public and transit use. We uh we will hear more from parking to break down access to that from our civil engineer who will follow. Um so the building as shown here is a total of 175 residential apartment 61 00:16:30.480 --> 00:16:46.320 units. Uh that's comprised of 140 market rate units and 35 affordable units. So that's 20% of the units are affordable which complies with U-Hack requirements. The affordable units are designed in an inclusionary manner, which means that they're spread throughout the building. They occur on each floor of the 62 00:16:46.320 --> 00:17:02.720 building. Um, they have sideby-side entries with the market rate units. Walking or driving around the site or walking on the interior of the site, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference of the affordable verse market, same access to the residential amenities, access to parking, um, and, uh, similar 63 00:17:02.720 --> 00:17:20.480 finishes between the units. Um the unit mix breakdown for the project. We have 24 studio units which are all market rate units. We have 84 one-bedroom units uh which is comprised of 77 market rate and seven affordable units. We have 62bedroom units which is comprised of 39 64 00:17:20.480 --> 00:17:36.400 market rate and 21 affordable units. And we have seven three-bedroom apartment units which are all affordable units. Um and again the affordable units conform and comply um with the U-Hack requirements. Stuart, just to interrupt for one second because I think it's important. None of the studio units will 65 00:17:36.400 --> 00:17:52.720 be affordable. Correct. >> That's correct. The studio >> and then all of the three-bedroom units will be affordable. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> Yep. >> Thank you. >> Um also on the ground floor. So, so the building masting is generally four levels of residential over ground floor commercial. Um the building uh the 66 00:17:52.720 --> 00:18:07.760 building on the south portion of the site here which fronts on West Street and Chestnut. We have a handful of residential apartment units located on the ground floor. Uh the area uh colored or pocheted in yellow is the common circulation space, the residential lobby and amenity areas where we have 67 00:18:07.760 --> 00:18:23.520 co-working and touchdown spaces for residents of the building to gather. Uh the areas that are colored in pink are residential amenity spaces located on the first floor. So in total we have about 7,338 ft of indoor residential amenity in a lobby space on the ground floor of the 68 00:18:23.520 --> 00:18:39.679 building. Um adequate size package room, mail room, on-site leasing and management. the first level of residential, the actual units themselves are elevated from the adjacent sidewalk. So, it's about three feet higher than the adjacent sidewalk, which allows for their window sills uh to be 69 00:18:39.679 --> 00:18:55.280 approximately 5T higher. So, that's nice for privacy and safety walking along the street, right? The window sills are are at about eye level or just, uh, you know, above for for uh the average person. Um if we look at the northern 70 00:18:55.280 --> 00:19:10.799 portion of the building here, the areas in blue and purple denote the commercial retail and or restaurant space. So uh the application has a total of 15,570 square ft of commercial space on the ground floor. Uh 10,000 ft of that is 71 00:19:10.799 --> 00:19:25.760 anticipated to be restaurant and food and beverage type use. And then uh the remaining 5,750 ft is convenience type retail. Um most of that retail fronts on the public right away or on the uh for some of the 72 00:19:25.760 --> 00:19:41.520 retail and the restaurant anticipated areas. We have areas where we're anticipating a seasonal cafe dining on the ground floor for indoor outdoor serving. Uh that area especially on the corner here is defined with some raised planters and our landscape architect can 73 00:19:41.520 --> 00:19:58.120 talk more about that. But again uh that allows for new attractive storefront windows to activate uh the public realm and the human scale of the site. Um if we move then we can move then to the next uh page. 74 00:20:01.760 --> 00:20:16.799 So the next page is sheet AO2. This is the basement level. I had noted that the vertical structured parking garage had one basement level. So the ground floor and the basement level are both for public parking. Uh the parking garage provides for vertical accessibility. 75 00:20:16.799 --> 00:20:40.240 Elevators and stairs. uh 12 lit um provides for secure access. If we move then to the next sheet, this is sheet A4 and sheet A4 brings us to our first full residential level. So this is the second level of the building. We can see now that the north 76 00:20:40.240 --> 00:20:55.600 and south halves of the building are being connected here by the central corridor of the building and these units. We've designed the architecture to read as a bridge connection. Uh, and we'll see in the perspective renderings how the streetscape and the ground plane allows for that. Um, we have about 12 77 00:20:55.600 --> 00:21:12.320 1/2 ft of vertical clearance under the underside of that which allows for light and air and allows for that bridge reading and clearance. And we also have storefront windows of the ground floor retail and or amenity space, you know, that flank that central uh area to provide ambient light in the early evening hours. So we can see how the 78 00:21:12.320 --> 00:21:28.400 building massing here uh with its form and geometry wraps the parking garage on three and a half sides. Uh the one portion of the parking garage here that is exposed, we are proposing an artist mural. Um the applicant has reached out to the local arts committee. Um, and 79 00:21:28.400 --> 00:21:44.559 we'll see what we're proposing here in a minute, but the final design of that mural and what would go on that wall would certainly be subject to uh the arts committee review and recommendation um and final approval either by this board as a as a conditional of approval or as a condition of approval for the 80 00:21:44.559 --> 00:22:01.360 arts uh arts committee to have insight um on that. Um at the second level of residential uh this is accessed via vertical elevators that provide for accessibility. Every unit is a type A adaptable unit. The affordable units again are spread throughout the 81 00:22:01.360 --> 00:22:16.559 building. They generally stack for efficiency. We can see the building again being uh you know comprised of studio 1, two, and three-bedroom apartment units overlooking this shared uh streetscape in Werf. We have a small indoor club room located on the second 82 00:22:16.559 --> 00:22:32.159 floor for residents to congregate and gather as well as a small passive uh courtyard area uh that has a small pool and outdoor dining opportunities for residents of the community. As we move to the next slide, we'll move to the typical uh third uh fourth and then 83 00:22:32.159 --> 00:23:01.360 fifth floor of the building. So sheet A5 is our typical third floor. Again, it's largely consistent with the floor below. The only difference is that uh we don't have the amenity space. One of the points to note here uh is that while the building is a long facade, we've designed it to be broken up. So we 84 00:23:01.360 --> 00:23:18.000 have articulation in the facade. It's not a flat static facade. Uh there are design standards in the redevelopment plan when an elevation's longer than 100 feet that we break up um with meaningful articulation every 40 feet or so uh with ins and outs of the building. So what 85 00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:35.960 you'll see here on the building are ins and outs that are in and out about 12 to 24 in. We'll see that in the renderings in a minute. That allows for shadow lines and expression of our vertical drip ears. That helps to break down the scale and reading of the building both horizontally and vertically. 86 00:23:39.440 --> 00:23:59.120 So next we move to sheet A6. Very similar. This is the fourth floor of the building. Sheet A7. This is the fifth floor. The only difference here is that the affordable units uh you know in order to conform with the mix some floors have um 87 00:23:59.120 --> 00:24:21.039 you know one more affordable onebedroom than the floor uh above or below it. Uh then lastly, we move to the roof plan of the building. So this is a flat roof building. Any rooftop mechanical units are well set back from the roof edge. Um you know, they're set back at least 20 88 00:24:21.039 --> 00:24:37.520 feet or so from the roof edge. So they're really not visible walking or driving around the site. We are proposing for um a passive rooftop amenity deck. We can see that here where we're um popping an elevator up to the roof provide for vertical access uh outdoor dining and seating opportunities 89 00:24:37.520 --> 00:24:53.919 for residents that largely overlook this new public plaza and streetscape here and looks towards uh the that's orientated towards the train station. Um we can also see the upper level of uh the uh parking garage. Um for most level 90 00:24:53.919 --> 00:25:09.440 the parking garage is not covered. All the spaces below that are every unit will be guaranteed one covered parking space on the lower levels. Um that includes the market rate units and the affordable units. One point to note as well is that we are more than conforming 91 00:25:09.440 --> 00:25:24.720 with the minimum parking requirements for both the public and commercial use as well as the residential parking uh that is outlined and prescribed in the redevelopment plan. Um so with that I'm going to move to the exterior architecture for the project. So, 92 00:25:24.720 --> 00:25:46.080 >> chair and uh counselor, I will mark this. We have um what I believe is seven renderings. Do you want to do it as one package or would you like us to mark them separately? >> As one package. Yeah, I think we'll do that as A1 and we'll do 93 00:25:46.080 --> 00:26:14.000 >> extern. >> No, this is the rendering package. >> Susan. Susan, excuse me. Susan, do you have a question before we move forward? >> Do the two of you swear that any >> just I guess before we get to the renderings, I did have a few questions 94 00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:34.000 on Sorry, you already put it up, but >> we can go back. Um, >> you want us to go back to one of the pages? Yeah, that would just be helpful because they're technical questions, not on architecture so much. Um, if you just go to the ground floor plan. So, you you indicated that these these 95 00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:49.919 parking spaces on the ground floor as well as in the basement of the garage are going to be designated for public users, the commuters and the shoppers, etc. Correct. just go through how a person would access or would get to and from a parking space for to the training station for example. 96 00:26:49.919 --> 00:27:06.080 >> Sure, I'd be happy to. So, um, as I noted, vehicular ingress and egress access to the parking deck is located is is located here on West Street. There's plenty examples of shared parking decks for public and private both within the burrow here and adjacent municipalities. 97 00:27:06.080 --> 00:27:23.440 Um, the circulation in the deck here, it's two-way uh vehicular circulation. And the drive aisles are 24 ft wide. The parking stalls are 9 by8. We have accessible parking spaces, EV parking spaces. But as noted here, we have 47 parking spaces on the first floor. Um, 98 00:27:23.440 --> 00:27:39.200 comparable number on the basement level. And we have a ramp here. So this is a speed ramp which provides vehicular access to each level of the garage. So if I were a resident coming in the building, I would turn right. And we have a key fob gate arm here. residents would have a sticker on their 99 00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:54.000 windshield. It's, you know, it's a quick action overhead uh gate. So, it's a few seconds and the gate is up or down. Um, now, if I'm a transit customer, uh, or a retail patron, I can certainly hunt and look for any of the spaces, any of the 100 00:27:54.000 --> 00:28:10.640 47 spaces on the ground floor. If I don't find any, I can proceed down the ramp. There will be signage that indicates public parking, wayfinding signage on that first floor. And then I can proceed to the lower basement level. Again, it'll be well lit. It'll be square. It'll be safe. We have a 101 00:28:10.640 --> 00:28:25.840 comparable number of spaces there. On the lower basement level, we have an elevator here, which is one of these elevators is a private elevator just for the vertical parking garage. So, it's it's a public elevator. Doesn't have secure key fob access. The second 102 00:28:25.840 --> 00:28:42.000 elevator here only opens on the residential floors. Um, so that's for residents of the building only. Uh, but if I parked on the basement level, I could use the stairs to gain access out to the public right away. Or I could get on the elevator and uh, uh, come up one floor and I could exit through this 103 00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:57.840 common public corridor where we would have ticket uh, pay machines that would be open after hours or, you know, the same hours that the deck or parking garage is operational. And you know obviously you have a clean sight line to the train station and train platform 104 00:28:57.840 --> 00:29:14.000 >> and that corridor will be maintained by the developer. >> That would be maintained by the developer. The entire building and operation would be privately maintained by the >> is it the vision do you think that the a portion or many of these spaces would be permitted comparable to the existing 105 00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:30.159 permitted surface spots. So that rather than going in and hunting and and looking for a space, a lot of these a lot of these folks might be actual permitted commuters. >> All of the spaces will be numbered and if there's an existing system there where I'm an A transit customer and I 106 00:29:30.159 --> 00:29:45.520 buy a monthly pass and I'm assigned that number, yes, this has that capability. >> Okay. And then um just still with parking on the roof, you mentioned um those are only residential parking spaces because they they would be only accessible via the key fob. Correct. 107 00:29:45.520 --> 00:30:09.279 Correct. But then you also said um every apartment is guaranteed a covered parking space. So who's actually parking on that roof? Is it that they get one space that's covered and one that's not? >> So residents of the building. >> Yes. >> We have a total of 331 spaces within the 108 00:30:09.279 --> 00:30:26.480 deck. Uh the ground floor and basement of 93 spaces. Those are public. So we have 238 spaces dedicated for residential within the parking garage. If we take away the upper um if we take away the upper floor level at the deck um we are more than the required we're 109 00:30:26.480 --> 00:30:42.080 providing more than the required parking for residential. Um so so that allows for uh every every parking space to have at least one covered parking space. >> Okay. >> Typically in these residential communities um residents are charged a fee for parking. Now, obviously, 110 00:30:42.080 --> 00:30:56.960 affordable units are capped at what their amenity fees and or rent. It's all one, you know, all one fee. But market rate units, they uh they pay a rental fee, they pay a parking fee, they pay a onetime yearly access fee to the amenity, the fitness center, the club 111 00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:13.200 room, the co-working, all of that. Um, typically there are two different fee charges for a covered versus an uncovered parking space. It also becomes sort of a first come, first serve in what's available, right? Once the building's fully leased, um, you know, you have maybe a handful of residents 112 00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:34.320 moving in or moving out every couple months, right? So, >> just one more question. If you could go to like the third floor. >> Sure. >> Four plan. >> So, um, >> yeah. So, you've got a double loaded corridor 113 00:31:34.320 --> 00:31:50.720 for the south building, but all of those units open onto open, you know, windowed areas. Um, and it looks like around the parking garage, you're single loaded corridor, which is good. You're opening out. The one pinch point looks to be right there at the corner. Um, 114 00:31:50.720 --> 00:32:08.320 just below the open walkway. It's a bit of a smaller unit. Um, yeah, that there is that I can't read it. Is that unit or a market rate? >> That's a market rate studio unit. It's a 577 square foot studio unit which is a nice size unit. Um 115 00:32:08.320 --> 00:32:22.960 that's that's a generous size for a studio unit. It also has a sleeping al cove here which provides for you know uh sort of a dedicated sleeping nook or out cove for a dedicated bed. It's not traditional studio where it's all just one central living space. Uh but that's 116 00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:39.200 an attractive unit to a young professional. So >> the window would be basically for the living room likely living room area. Am I not talking? I'm sorry. >> So, Miss Favat Miss Favate, uh, this is 117 00:32:39.200 --> 00:32:55.760 this is like approximately 15 feet 15 17 feet wide right here. So, uh, you know, I'd envision we would have two double windows, right? So, you probably have almost 12 feet of glass in there, which allows for adequate light and air into the unit. Um, as I said, the 118 00:32:55.760 --> 00:33:23.600 sleeping al cove here wouldn't be a wall with a door, right? So you would get some light uh >> okay >> light spillage into the bedroom area. >> Thank you. That's it. >> Mr. Chair, are we Can we move on to the rendering? Great. Thank you. >> So this package has been marked A1. It's 119 00:33:23.600 --> 00:33:44.880 the rendering package. Seven pages. All right. U so we're very pleased and excited to share this with the board. Um obviously we submitted 2D flat elevations which meets the checklist requirements. The 2D flat building elevations don't describe architecture. 120 00:33:44.880 --> 00:34:01.360 They don't describe buildings or massing and how they're being broken down. So we have seven views that we've generated here and we're going to take you on a walking tour around the building. We're going to begin here uh with a perspective view. These are luster perspective views, but this is a view looking west from Chestnut Street and 121 00:34:01.360 --> 00:34:17.200 West Street. And we're going to take you on an orientation down West Street uh to Mama Street into the Wounderf and then arrive back at this intersection and corner. So, what we're looking at here is the south building. So, I had noted that we have two different uh exterior 122 00:34:17.200 --> 00:34:33.359 building material uh pallets that we're proposing. We have physical building materials that we brought with us. Uh both of the buildings are predominantly masonry brick veneer buildings that are well proportioned. We can see here the ins and outs and the articulations that we've created on this facade. So uh it 123 00:34:33.359 --> 00:34:49.919 was important to us to create a weighted base to the building to relate to the human scale of the streetscape. Um and then also a midsection and a top portion of the building. So understanding that these buildings were five stories was important to create a sub a strong subc cornice line here at the fourth floor 124 00:34:49.919 --> 00:35:05.280 between the fourth and fifth floor to draw the eye there and help to break down the scale and reading of the building. At the corners of the building we have some vertical articulation and you know architectural tower elements. Um we can see some brick detailing here where we're showing brick corbling on 125 00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:21.280 some of the vertical uh pilasters and columns of the building. Um we've also recessed here um where the windows are. So where these brick peers are articulated on the facade, it's not a flat brick. It's not a this is not a 126 00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:36.560 thin brick. This is a full um you know full full bed depth brick. Um the ground floor is also unique here uh that uh given where the property line is and uh being set in from where the curb is um 127 00:35:36.560 --> 00:35:52.240 the ground floor of the building running on West Street and on M Street are recessed and the redevelopment plan contemplates and allows for the upper upper portions of the building to can lever up to five feet over the ground floor. So what we see here on the ground floor on West Street is obviously a 128 00:35:52.240 --> 00:36:09.359 shadow line which helps to sort of define that base of the building. We're using a darker masonry brick veneer. This is a endicott manganese brick. Um and we have a sample of that to share with you here this evening. um strong kind of sub corners line here at the first floor. The floor to floor 129 00:36:09.359 --> 00:36:24.800 on the first floor is about 15 and a half feet. So that allows for 12 and 1/2 ft to the underside of the ceiling which acquires which which allows for market rate um clearances for the retail for the residential lobbies but also as I noted the first floor of residential is 130 00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:40.720 elevated about three feet from the adjacent sidewalk and then their window sills are about two feet off the floor. So again, the window sills are about 5 feet off of the sidewalk. Um, we've also just uh uh designed brownstone stoop style entries here for the residential apartment units that front on West 131 00:36:40.720 --> 00:36:55.520 Street, which is recommended in the redevelopment plan. Um, and required. Uh, now we only have three residential apartment units on West Street. I think that's there were only ever three to four units contemplated on West Street just given the break of the building and where the retail is, where access to 132 00:36:55.520 --> 00:37:10.560 parking is. um the stoops themselves are not allowed to uh project into that setback. In other uh jurisdictions, I've seen exceptions where the stoops can project up to 3 feet or up to 5t within the setback as loud as you know as long as 133 00:37:10.560 --> 00:37:27.280 we provide adequate walking distance. Um here it's any portion of the structure. So that's you know that's other pieces of the building. So the stoops run parallel to the building. So we've recessed the entry door a few feet. We have a design. Um, we have a a light 134 00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:41.920 sconce adjacent to each entry door. The entry doors are a lighter wood tone, but you walk out onto a five- foot landing. And then we have three or four risers that run parallel uh to the building. Um, the uh building material of the stoops themselves is a lighter color 135 00:37:41.920 --> 00:37:57.280 cast to draw accent uh to them. and they're nicely articulated and defined there with the landscaping that we can see the landscape beds that are between them and also between uh those private stoops and the public sidewalk. Um so again, we're very pleased with with uh 136 00:37:57.280 --> 00:38:13.119 the articulation of the facade here. Um the brick that we're using on the upper portion of the building, this is a warm uh slurry gray brick. It's actually a custom blend of three different bricks. And we brought a sample here this evening to share with everyone. Maybe I'll bring that out now, Chris, and you 137 00:38:13.119 --> 00:38:28.640 let me know if we have to mark physical samples or not. >> I think so. Yeah, >> you're going to show >> I'm happy to pass this around to the board, >> but it's quite heavy. Um, >> it gets to go in office. You want to 138 00:38:28.640 --> 00:38:46.079 keep it? Uh, but yeah, it's >> You can keep it. >> You can keep it. >> You can keep it. Why we're gonna have to >> do you want to mark it in as an exhibit or do you just want to >> I think you're I think you're absolutely right. I think this is A11 and you're going to keep it >> A12. >> Okay, great. 139 00:38:46.079 --> 00:39:01.920 >> And what what are we calling this? >> So, um >> what brick is this? >> This is the slurry gray brick. So, we could call this the slurry gray brick physical sample. >> SL the brick you showed us last year this color. >> I was not here last year. I'm the 140 00:39:01.920 --> 00:39:16.720 architect associated with this application. Uh there was a planner who the applicant was working with um through the development of some of the design standards and early visions. My take away from some of those conversations was that there was a 141 00:39:16.720 --> 00:39:33.839 cooler early renderings of this portion of the building were a light gray metal, a corugated metal, and then there were iterations of a silver gray brick or a cool gray brick. Um, we think this is a very warm brick that harmonizes with the next brick I'm about to show you. Um, 142 00:39:33.839 --> 00:39:50.079 again, this is a custom blend of three different bricks that are produced by the same manufacturer. Uh, we've installed this brick on other buildings in the New Jersey area. Um, but it's a pretty uh brick that again we think works well and harmonizes with the downtown. Um, 143 00:39:50.079 --> 00:40:05.839 >> okay. So, I doubt we're going to pass it around, but maybe just put it >> I'll leave it here. >> Just wall me in here. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. >> Okay. >> Chris, why don't we introduce the other red flower while we're doing >> Sure. Is there only Are there two 144 00:40:05.839 --> 00:40:21.440 bricks? >> There two bricks. >> Okay. >> It's actually pretty bricks. We may as well show the >> And you carried all that in yourself. Okay. >> All right. So, we're on A13. >> A13 we're going to see in a minute here, but this is the custom blend brick that 145 00:40:21.440 --> 00:40:36.400 we're proposing for the red brick portion of the building. >> So, we're red brick. red brick material sample. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> Again, it was important that we share the two because we think the two harmonize well with one another while providing a distinct and separate look 146 00:40:36.400 --> 00:40:53.000 and reading of the two buildings. >> Is that safe? Is that all one piece? >> This is the bricks. Are the bricks separated? >> They're separated, but they're connected by a handle and met and metal. Is there a way that 147 00:40:53.920 --> 00:41:08.800 we could get smaller hand samples of each smaller handboards of each? That would be >> so we'll get those and we'll submit them to the board secretary. >> Yeah, I need >> but you need them. Yes, >> it was important to us that we brought 148 00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:25.119 the larger sample of the brick with the mortar because >> let's maybe put these I feel like the table might be at risk. >> One over there. Okay. >> In your workout. >> Okay. And then we have one more one more 149 00:41:25.119 --> 00:41:44.079 sample. Okay. So, we're going to be on A14. >> Okay. >> So, >> okay. >> We have one more brick and Chris. So, this is a handboard. We can get a handboard size of the other two again. Um, >> can you describe this so we can 150 00:41:44.079 --> 00:41:59.440 >> So, this is a Endicott. It's the manufacturer's anticed it's manganese. It's a manganese brick, but uh >> something simpler. >> This is This is the charcoal brick. >> Charcoal brick, correct? >> Charcoal. Yeah, >> charcoal brick. 151 00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:14.560 >> I don't either. So, >> okay. So, that's A14. >> Okay. >> Skip the gym today. So, I'll share this with the public. Okay. Great. >> Again, this is the lighter brick that we're using. >> It was important that we actually put mortar on it so we can see >> how the brick warms up when that 152 00:42:14.560 --> 00:42:42.000 happens. Thank you. >> So, we're going to continue on our walking tour here. >> And just to be clear for the record, this is A1, page two of seven, >> correct? Okay. Correct. So, this is an illustrative perspective view. It's a 153 00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:58.800 view looking west uh from Oakland Street and West Street. I know the public and the board have seen similar renditions of this view along uh the advancement of the design standards of the redevelopment plan. So here we can see uh the south portion of the building, 154 00:42:58.800 --> 00:43:14.160 the north portion of the building. We have that warm uh slurry gray uh brick blend that we're using on the south portion, the red brick blend being used on the north person. Our primary residential lobby is located here in the foreground at the base of this building. 155 00:43:14.160 --> 00:43:29.760 We have storefront windows of that lobby and co-working and amenity space that flank uh that muse or that area along Oakland Street that goes underneath the building here for this bridge piece out to uh the Wounderf and that shared 156 00:43:29.760 --> 00:43:46.880 street and ultimately uh the NJ Transit uh train station. Um, so I did note that again the clearance on the underside of this bridge piece or massing is about 12 and a half feet clear. We can see that we have lights on the underside of that to illuminate that in the early evening 157 00:43:46.880 --> 00:44:02.640 hours. And again, we have storefront windows from the amenity space and then the retail and cafe space on the right hand side that offer attractive um ambient lighting in the early evening hours. Um on the right hand side of the building again we can see here the red 158 00:44:02.640 --> 00:44:18.800 brick veneer that we're using on the building. Again a punched window design predominantly masonry brick veneer being used up to the fourth floor of the building selectively in five stories in certain areas. We have an architectural uh feature element here. Uh we have uh three different uh vertical fiber cement 159 00:44:18.800 --> 00:44:35.440 panels that we're using on the building. We have an iron gray, a night gray, and a pearl gray. So, a a light gray, a medium gray, and a dark gray vertical fiber cement panel. Um, we're using two of them in combination on the south building and then two of them in combination on the right building. So, 160 00:44:35.440 --> 00:44:51.119 again, we see some synergies there in the building materials that we're proposing >> on on the right side there. Yes. >> To the left of the red brick. >> Yes. >> What material? Looks like Darth Vader lives there. What what material is that? >> That is a f that's a vertical fiber 161 00:44:51.119 --> 00:45:06.960 cement panel. So that's a uh you're referring to this tower. >> So that's fiber cement being used on the building >> and that's facing West Street. >> That's facing West Street. >> As long as it's fiber >> fiber cement. Yes. It's a vertical fiber cement panel. >> Do you have a sample? 162 00:45:06.960 --> 00:45:22.640 >> I have a sample if we want to. >> Yeah, let's mark it. >> You're okay. >> Doesn't make any sense. >> That's A15 fiber cement panel. >> And just so the record's clear. Just so the record's clear, if these are 163 00:45:22.640 --> 00:45:38.160 this is what the materials are going to be used in the building. You can't switch it afterwards if the board approves this application. These are the materials you're actually going to be using. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> Correct. >> But not really what you submitted last year. >> We didn't submit anything last year. This the first time the application. 164 00:45:38.160 --> 00:45:52.800 >> So it's not the first time we saw drawings of the application. >> We didn't we didn't see materials, but we saw color. >> Sure. And just to be clear, those were illustrative renderings that were part of a redevelopment plan, part of the redevelopment plan showing what the 165 00:45:52.800 --> 00:46:08.240 building could look like that you were not involved in. Correct. >> Correct. But I think I mean, if we look at some of the imagery that was attached in the appendix to the redevelopment plan, I do believe the colors we're showing here are similar, very much in harmony with that. I mean, again, we we 166 00:46:08.240 --> 00:46:25.760 welcome review of that. Um, but again, we think they're pleasing uh a color. So, we have three different colors. Um, I want to hold them up here, but these are all by James Hardy, who produces a vertical fiber cement panel. 167 00:46:25.760 --> 00:46:42.560 They come in panels of 4T by 10 foot. Um, we have iron gray, which is the darker gray. So, it's not sort of a true black Darth Vader color. It's iron gray. It's a nice matte color. wicked dark and so much darker than the red that we saw last year. 168 00:46:42.560 --> 00:46:57.440 >> I realize you didn't do last year, but the the the rendering that was submitted during the process last year shows red brick. >> Mhm. >> On that location, not the darkness. I'm just saying that's, you know, that's what was represented to us that you were 169 00:46:57.440 --> 00:47:14.079 going to build. I realize it wasn't the application that we have tonight, but it is different than we anticipated it was going to be and in my opinion worse. No reflection on you. >> You shouldn't. >> I mean, um, >> don't take it personally. 170 00:47:14.079 --> 00:47:29.839 >> Welled. Um, so three different fiber cement colors again, dark gray, medium gray, and lighter gray color. So on the red brick building, we're proposing to use these two together. on the lighter on the lighter gray. >> You thought you started to give us the 171 00:47:29.839 --> 00:47:45.839 names of them. There was iron gray. >> Iron gray. >> Uhhuh. >> Uh night gray. >> Night gray. >> And gray slate. >> Gray slate. >> Yes, sir. >> Is the lighter one going in the middle in the walkway? The >> Yeah. So, the lighter gray is being needed. 172 00:47:45.839 --> 00:48:01.599 >> If you could just use the mic, please. Sorry. >> The lighter gray is being used in the center here for this, you know, bridge massing piece. Um, again, keep in mind that there are shadows on the building here with the sun angle, but this is being used in the center portion. It's 173 00:48:01.599 --> 00:48:17.680 being used on this upper portion to provide for uh connectivity. >> And when you say lighter gray, which of those three is the lighter gray? >> That is the gray slate is our lighter color. >> Slate is the lightest. And then night gray is the middle. >> Night gray is the middle. Correct. Iron gray is the darker gray. 174 00:48:17.680 --> 00:48:35.280 Um, and again, I mean, I welcome if there's a break here where we can put these out with the brick samples on the table and the public and the board can certainly look at them. Uh, we think that that iron gray harmonizes nicely with the brick color, the red brick color that we're showing. Um, again, 175 00:48:35.280 --> 00:49:01.680 certainly welcome comments as well. Um, >> okay, let's keep going. Thank you. This is A1 page three. Correct. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> So, this is a view looking west from Mama Street and West Street. Uh we can 176 00:49:01.680 --> 00:49:18.720 see the existing uh twotory or one-story commercial and I believe to be residential on the second floor, but the Wanitos restaurant located at that intersection. Um we can see just down West Street here again the lighter color uh building 177 00:49:18.720 --> 00:49:35.680 where our residential lobby is where the vehicular ingress and ingress accesses to the parking garage the red brick building. Now I did note that there was a portion of that parking garage which was exposed uh we're screening it with a with a building wall but then we're proposing an artist mural. So this is a 178 00:49:35.680 --> 00:49:50.960 illustrative rendition of what the artist mural could be. also that that facade area of that elevation is obscured by the adjacent building or lot which is partially in front of it. Um so again this gives a better representation of kind of how it's experienced walking 179 00:49:50.960 --> 00:50:06.640 or driving down that street. Uh if we transition now to Mama Street, we can see how the ground floor is set in and the upper floor of the building can lever about five feet. Uh we have a wood tone material we're using on the underside of that sophet. We brought a 180 00:50:06.640 --> 00:50:24.559 sample of it. Um, we want to work. >> Yeah, it's a A16. What is this now? >> This is a um this is a sophet that's being used on the underside. >> Can you spell that? Sophet. >> Sophet. S O Fit T. 181 00:50:24.559 --> 00:50:40.240 >> Okay. >> Sophet being used where? On on the first floor of the building where um where the second floor of the building can lever out over the >> first floor sit material. >> Correct. And what color is it? >> Uh, summer wheat. 182 00:50:40.240 --> 00:50:54.960 >> Summer wheat. >> Summer wheat. It's a bl it's a blondish wood wood. >> Are you going to have sophets for every single >> wherever the building on the second floor can? >> No. No. I meant Are you going to provide us a sample? Is that what you're going to be doing? >> Sit. 183 00:50:54.960 --> 00:51:11.680 >> This is This is the soffet we're using on the second floor where it can levers. >> But there's that first floor before >> it meets the first >> where it meet. The first and the second >> the second floor meet, right? the set of the >> okay >> I would say that's the sophet of the first floor right >> and I think council's question is just 184 00:51:11.680 --> 00:51:27.920 is there multiple sophets different sophets or is this the sophet >> this is the one material we're proposing it occurs on west street occurs on mama street it's the same on the buildings yes >> thank you >> yeah um but again largely a mason brick veneer we could see the ins and outs on 185 00:51:27.920 --> 00:51:43.280 the building so uh the expression of these vertical brick peers so for example here the building is inset about 24 in which creates a shadow line uh and relief. Um we're creating an articulated sub cornice line at the fourth floor 186 00:51:43.280 --> 00:52:00.319 right to draw our eye there. Let that upper floor sort of fade away uh to respond to the scale uh the street typology there on West Street. Um next we'll move to >> and just to be clear the mural that's up there is not the mural that will ultimately end up because you haven't settled that mural yet. You're gonna the 187 00:52:00.319 --> 00:52:22.880 condition was gonna you're going to work with the visual arts committee to come up with a final design. >> Correct. We've >> work with you to create a condition that outlines that. Yes. >> Okay. This is page four of that package A1. Correct. >> Correct. So this is a view looking south 188 00:52:22.880 --> 00:52:38.960 from Mama Street. We're now approaching the entrance to the Werf. Um, so, uh, Mama Street is here in the foreground. We can see the, um, articulated and activated storefront windows where we're proposing the restaurant use. Uh, turning the corner here, we can see the 189 00:52:38.960 --> 00:52:55.280 raised planters that we have that define areas for outdoor seasonal cafe dining. Um, >> can you just for the record, can you spell that the Danish word or Dutch word, whatever you say? >> Uh, werf. Uh, werf. It's a Dutch word which means shared 190 00:52:55.280 --> 00:53:13.359 street. >> Thank you. Sure. Um, again, this shows a wellproportioned masonry brick veneer building. It shows how we're creating horizontal and vertical breaks. Um, and again, we we believe conforms with the redevelopment plan in regards to the articulation of 191 00:53:13.359 --> 00:53:29.200 the facades and creating uh meaningful breaks um with jogging the building in and out. Also creating a varied cornice line both at the fifth floor of the building as well as that sub cornice line. Again, it was important to us to draw our eye to the fourth floor as 192 00:53:29.200 --> 00:53:46.079 opposed to maybe extending the brick a full five stories, specifically on the Mama Street frontage. Um, and then uh that same uh vertical expression of the brick peers and masonry then marches down the building as we enter into the wounderf. Um, we can also see here in 193 00:53:46.079 --> 00:54:01.520 this rendering where we're proposing some of the retail signage which are raised uh channel cut dimensional letters. They're actually side lit versus back lit. So, they're dimensional um channel cut letters that are extruded one inch with acrylic and there's an LED 194 00:54:01.520 --> 00:54:16.720 light there that provides for an ambient glow on the side of the light. Um I think you could find comparable um commercial lighting within within the downtown. We think it's tastefully designed. Uh you know, it's a it's a bronze color. Um the letters are 195 00:54:16.720 --> 00:54:32.640 approximately 18 inches in height and we're proposing um one per frontage for retail. Um and then we do have some signage for the building being proposed on the upper upper corners of the building. Again, these are raised channel cut dimensional letters that are 196 00:54:32.640 --> 00:54:47.200 affixed to the facade. That's a wall sign versus a canopy sign. Um again, dimensional channel cut letters affixed to the building, pin mounted and affixed to the building. They would be side lit. Um, so again, they'd be extruded approximately one inch with white 197 00:54:47.200 --> 00:55:04.800 acrylic and allow for that um, you know, elegant ambient glow. >> And to be clear, that's what we would be seeking a waiver for or a deviation from the redevelopment plan, the back the sidelighting of the >> side lighting andor back lighting. Yes, that that type of illumination. >> So, a question about the signage. Um 198 00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:20.800 each tenant will be required to follow that sign requirement >> um to comply with that that sign branding even if it's different from what it's there. You'll be requiring them to have that same style. >> Yes, 199 00:55:20.800 --> 00:55:37.040 >> if they occupy that space. >> That's our understanding. And again for large complex redevelopment plans like this, that's that's the understanding. So if if a specific tenant uh or vendor goes into that space and they have their own branding and their own colors, their 200 00:55:37.040 --> 00:55:53.680 own sign size, they would have to file a signage application for this board or the appropriate board, right, to seek approval for a different type of that was unique to that vendor. >> So you won't enforce that all the 201 00:55:53.680 --> 00:56:09.920 signage has to be unique. I mean, sorry. It has to be >> has to be consistent. >> Yeah. Well, I think the idea the building is going to be privately owned. I think the idea is to come up with a cohesive signage design that all tenants 202 00:56:09.920 --> 00:56:24.319 are following. >> I'm simply saying if Starbucks is looking to come in here or someone else and their sign is green or they have a different size, they certainly would have to propose that first to the applicant and or owner of the building and their operations team. Secondly, 203 00:56:24.319 --> 00:56:40.000 file an application to the burough. >> Yeah, but they can make them. >> So to answer to answer the question, there's gonna be a condition all the signage has to conform and but some like any other applicant can they always can come in and ask for relief from that 204 00:56:40.000 --> 00:57:01.040 condition and that and the board would be able to say no. >> Sure. >> Yep. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Uh Chris, sheet five. >> Okay, sheet five, A11, sheet five. >> Sheet five. Um so now we're within the winer. We're within the public street. 205 00:57:01.040 --> 00:57:16.319 Um again, we'll see more and hear more architect who's next in regards to the function of this space, uh the hardscape materials, the planting, how it how it gets used. And I think on the color rent site plan, we'll see better access to 206 00:57:16.319 --> 00:57:33.280 the train station. Um but this gives a very nice depiction of how the building relates to scale within this public realm. Um so in the foreground here we see the bridge connection. Again we have about 12 and a half ft of clearance. Um the warf has all flush curbing so raised 207 00:57:33.280 --> 00:57:49.680 curbs. There are ballards that provide for uh pedestrian safety and vehicular protection. We have street trees. We have various colors and materials and textures being used as the driving pavers, the walking surfaces. And again, we'll hear more from our landscape architect, but again, we see that 208 00:57:49.680 --> 00:58:06.160 activated ground floor of restaurant andor retail space, residential lobby, and amenity space, which flanks both sides of that Oakland Street uh passage, which becomes a pedestrian route. Um, again, a varied varied cornis line. 209 00:58:06.160 --> 00:58:22.000 Again, you can see how each building has a distinct look and feel, but again, we think architecturally they harmonize and work well with one another. The brick detailing again uh is is articulate. Um it's we have uh reveals that we're 210 00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:37.119 showing on some of these vertical brick peers as we as we transition to this building here. Some stepped uh step corbling that we're using on the brick. And again, you can see the ins and outs and articulation where the building uh juts in or out uh 12 to 24 in. And a 211 00:58:37.119 --> 00:58:57.920 consistent sign band here on on the first floor of the building. page five. This is six. Correct. >> This is page six of A11. Thank you. >> So, page six now is a view northeast. Uh we're just looking back uh slightly 212 00:58:57.920 --> 00:59:16.240 north. Um from a from a comparable view, uh the sun looks to be about 4:30, 5:00. >> Just so we're clear, Stuart, just for the board, that red brick on that building is the same red brick throughout that entire building. Correct. >> Correct. So it's not a darker red brick on that first image you showed that it 213 00:59:16.240 --> 00:59:32.559 looked like there were some shadows might have looked a little bit darker, but that is that brick in the sun. Correct. >> Correct. If you're out jogging at 6:00 in the morning versus midday at noon versus 4:30 and if we're out there at um 8:00 in July versus 8:00 in February, 214 00:59:32.559 --> 00:59:48.240 obviously there's different lighting on the building. So same brick. Uh we have a physical sample of it here for the board. Um didn't mean to interrupt. >> Yeah, sure. >> Again, I think shows how the buildings have been designed as readings of two 215 00:59:48.240 --> 01:00:03.920 separate buildings. Uh we think that creating a step and a break here, we're providing the reading of this bridge connection. Um we're maximizing glazing and translucency to the extent that we can. Obviously understanding we have residential apartment units there. We 216 01:00:03.920 --> 01:00:19.920 can see that wood tone material being used in the sit on the underside of this which warms up that space. Uh also lighting on the underside to provide for um accent lighting during the early evening hours. Some sculptural elements um some of the vertical light posts that 217 01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:36.839 we're using on the project and again our landscape architect will speak more to that. But again, we're very pleased um with this view and happy to share this with you. We have one more view. Um I guess we'll call this sheet seven. Yep. sheet seven of A11. 218 01:00:44.319 --> 01:01:00.880 So sheet seven of exhibit of exhibit A1, we've come full circle now and we're now back on Chestnut Street, but this is a view looking north from Chestnut Street. Um we can see the existing Redbank uh train station here on the left. Uh the vehicular ingress and egress access to 219 01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:17.839 the site. um the existing Armory building here in the background. So, the corner of this building provides for a secondary residential lobby. We have some co-working and lounge space for residents on the interior of that space. Uh large storefront windows to provide for a beacon and activated use on that 220 01:01:17.839 --> 01:01:33.280 corner. Again, we have a proposed canopy sign there on top of the canopy at the entrance. uh that warm slurry gray uh brick blend being used on the second, third, and fourth floor of the building carrying that five stories on the corner here 221 01:01:33.280 --> 01:01:50.480 accent. And then that darker brick being used on the fourth floor which is inset uh where we have the the building being caned on the upper floors. Again, we can see a cohesive design within the streetscape and the wounderf. Um so this is the last view that we have to share 222 01:01:50.480 --> 01:02:06.640 coming full circle again. Um the buildings are attractively designed. Um I feel architecturally that they conform with the design standards and harmonize uh with the goals and objectives of the redevelopment plan. And we're very 223 01:02:06.640 --> 01:02:21.839 pleased to share our vision of architecture associated with the application. >> Great. >> So before the questions start, um can we please rather than having to hold on to these, can you email us >> a PDF of this or >> Absolutely. We'll email you the PDF of 224 01:02:21.839 --> 01:02:37.839 this and the and uh A10 as well. >> Thank you. >> A10 and A1. >> That would be appreciated. That way we don't have to hold on to bees and then you'll get us the reduced bricks and everything like that. >> Sure. So, thank you. >> Anyone from the board have any questions for Mr. Johnson or Mr. Murphy? 225 01:02:37.839 --> 01:03:00.079 >> Do you have a color rendering of the West Street um entrances, the residential entrances on West Street? >> Uh I think the sheet A1 shows them. Um, welcome. Sheet A1 here of the exhibit shows them. 226 01:03:00.079 --> 01:03:20.720 I'm happy to walk the board up to the public, >> please. >> That makes sense. >> Why don't we walk >> on West Street? >> We have three units on West Street. >> So, we have one stoop here. is a second stoop and then a third stoop. A warmer 227 01:03:20.720 --> 01:03:37.440 wood tone we're using on the entry doors. Again, you walk out to a five- foot landing outside each private entrance and then the risers run parallel to the building as opposed to perpendicular to the street. That's due to the setbacks in the property line being inset from the existing curb. Uh 228 01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:52.079 the redevelopment plan didn't contemplate uh those. So if we were to turn the stoops perpendicular, that would certainly create a variance condition um or a deviation. Um they're separated here with landscaping. So we 229 01:03:52.079 --> 01:04:07.680 have landscaping between the stoops and and the sidewalk as well as in between each of those private entries. >> Thank you. I'll make up a word here. I anticipated them to be more stoopish. Okay. When we 230 01:04:07.680 --> 01:04:23.359 talked about it last year, it felt like it would be more of a a stoop like a like house. >> Do they encroach at all into the setback? >> The >> because they are allowed to. >> The stoops do not. Uh our understand >> to do two feet. There's a footnote. 231 01:04:23.359 --> 01:04:41.280 >> Maybe they do. I'd have to review that. >> Okay. And I can't speak for the board, but I mean it is it would be a variance, but it might be worth looking at. >> If if asked after talking about this at length last year, I can't imagine 232 01:04:41.280 --> 01:04:57.520 that the board wouldn't wouldn't consider a variance for the stoops to be more stoopish. >> There's it's a footnote on the bulk table, Stuart. It just says ground floor entrances to residential page 13 of the redevelopment plan. 233 01:04:57.520 --> 01:05:14.559 >> Sure. So um yeah, so the stoops do project two feet into the setback, right? The the setback on >> 15t, >> right? So the facade here, right, the facade is 234 01:05:14.559 --> 01:05:31.200 inset 10 feet from the property line. The stoops which run parallel, right? We have a 5 foot x 5 foot landing and then um stairs that run parallel to the building. The stoops do have an eight-foot step back, right? So, so the facade is 10 foot step back. The stoops 235 01:05:31.200 --> 01:05:48.640 do project two feet into that 10-ft step back. If we were to orient them 90 degrees towards the street, we'd be looking at a one foot setback or, you know, an 18 inch uh setback from the property line. Um, if that makes sense. 236 01:05:48.640 --> 01:06:03.599 >> Does that property line get you to the to the uh sidewalk or does it get you to the actual to the street? So the property line is sort of at the it's it's at the curb line. So we have a we have a five six foot sidewalk adjacent to the curb and then 237 01:06:03.599 --> 01:06:19.119 we have plantings. Right. So we can certainly go back and study I think what the chair is asking is if the applicant would consider looking at engineering what would happen if we were to rotate the stoops to you used the word earlier. Um >> you can say go ahead >> but certainly we would have to talk 238 01:06:19.119 --> 01:06:33.520 about the deviation or the relief that we would be required in order to do that >> and in that case those dupes could theoretically go right up to the sidewalk if des if possible. >> I mean we see that obviously in urban areas and in downtowns often uh and then 239 01:06:33.520 --> 01:06:50.000 we see plantings between them that that create that separation. >> Um >> but there would be no planting between the sidewalk potentially and the stoop which would make sense because you wouldn't walk over sidewalk. You wouldn't walk over The condition we have now creates a little more privacy for the unit because we have plantings. Uh 240 01:06:50.000 --> 01:07:05.680 maybe we'll see it better on the landscape architects plans and he's up next and he has a larger site plan. I think this condition creates a little bit more of a private condition for the residents because they're the stoops are they have more separation from the public um sidewalk. But certainly we 241 01:07:05.680 --> 01:07:21.359 could study rotating them and advise to any deviation or relief. I think that would maybe be better um to ask for the relief for the side for the front yard setback. Um because the way that it looks right now, it looks very backstage 242 01:07:21.359 --> 01:07:37.680 back entrance. If it's supposed to be >> Yeah. If it's supposed to be for people to enter into their um >> units, it it looks like it's a back door. um supposed to be in like a alleyway instead of fronting on a street 243 01:07:37.680 --> 01:07:54.000 where across the street from it it's single family homes. >> Okay. Sure. >> Well, I think we can go back and look at that and we can come back with some potential solutions. >> Yeah. >> I would also just add I think the purpose here was to soften this add something that was human scale because this is 244 01:07:54.000 --> 01:08:09.440 >> the area of the site that is most closely this is very closely adjacent to detached single family homes a neighborhood. I think the intention was to soften this. This brings something human scale. Um I would also suggest that perhaps the materials here, the the 245 01:08:09.440 --> 01:08:26.120 darkness of those materials causes it to recede in a way that also takes away from that feeling. Um I'm open to the configuration of the entryway, but I I agree with um the previous statement. 246 01:08:26.640 --> 01:08:43.839 Thank you. On this facade as well, I think maybe was there any um consideration of the scale of the buildings across the street in the articulation of this facade? Like you've you've you talked about a cornice, 247 01:08:43.839 --> 01:09:00.960 which is a sort of discontinuous cornice. Um, so I'm not sure it has the full effect of a true cornice to begin with, but if you were to potentially articulate a twostory 248 01:09:00.960 --> 01:09:16.560 uh facade or in some way relate to the scale of the buildings across the street rather than just a simple kind of ground floor um what appears to be retail in this image really from where I'm I'm not looking at it closely, but it looks like 249 01:09:16.560 --> 01:09:32.799 a retail corridor. So it may be something to consider. >> Uh noted. Yeah. I mean again we um I think the redevelopment plan contemplated five stories in this area and the massing. We were sort of obviously looking at that. I think again 250 01:09:32.799 --> 01:09:48.000 there is a weighted base here that relates to the human scale at the streetscape. If we look at the scale of the person here again we do have a residential lobby here. So those are storefront windows that does I think activate that corner and that plaza space that we're creating. Uh keep in 251 01:09:48.000 --> 01:10:03.600 mind that immediately across from this is the Armory building, right? The the handful of residential apartment units are single family homes that uh are are closer to Oakland, but on the corner here we have the Armory itself. And then so we have a varying typology of 252 01:10:03.600 --> 01:10:20.239 building types and scale. Um I certainly resonate with your comment. Um but again we we think we've nicely related with this strong subc corners line here relating to the armory and then as the building steps in scale and mass here as we get to Oakland Street it's more of 253 01:10:20.239 --> 01:10:38.400 this mass of the building in this corner here relating in scale and mass then um to the existing context. a more general comment um just reacting to the architecture um and what's been 254 01:10:38.400 --> 01:10:54.080 shown to us. Um we all know that a lot went into this and there was a lot of community involvement and a lot of good ideas and we have very high expectations. Um the this site is in the presence of some buildings that are very 255 01:10:54.080 --> 01:11:10.640 fond. Um like the the uh Galleria building, the Armory, the Anderson building. Um I think what's attractive about those buildings is they have a sense of permanence to them and they're very coherent architecturally. 256 01:11:10.640 --> 01:11:26.960 Um to me this feels like uh a sort of superficial level of differentiation in the architecture for the sake of different like adhering to the redevelopment plans request for differentiation. 257 01:11:26.960 --> 01:11:45.280 Um I can't really find coherence in all of the various material breaks why things stop in one place start in another place. Um it's it's quite noisy. I just uh when I you know like for 258 01:11:45.280 --> 01:12:02.080 instance that discontinuous cornice looks to be a dark material which is a separate material from the beige brick. Then you get to the corner and there's some kind of corbling detailing that runs four stories with a fourstory band 259 01:12:02.080 --> 01:12:18.960 of windows. But then you get around to the other corner and there's a brick spandrel midspan and then you go to the other portions of the building moving back and they don't relate to the front necessarily. They're differentiated differently. Then there's a dark kind of 260 01:12:18.960 --> 01:12:35.840 recess. Um, and that level of what I'm calling sort of superficial uh differentiation migrates all the way around the entire building and makes its way to the other building where then we have red brick that sort 261 01:12:35.840 --> 01:12:52.159 of is applied uh as a what appears to be a sort of thin veneer over top of dark fiber cement board. And there's just a lot going on. And I think um the community and the planning board's 262 01:12:52.159 --> 01:13:07.040 um vision for this was something that would stand up to the buildings that I mentioned uh with a sense of permanence and I just don't think this is there. I think it I think we took a step 263 01:13:07.040 --> 01:13:23.679 backwards. um some of the buildings that were presented to us during the redevelopment planning phase um carried a little bit of that. Um the main building that was on Mama Street 264 01:13:23.679 --> 01:13:39.360 that sort of held that corner from the train station. I recall a rendering where it was um kind of full brick. That one. Yeah. Simply detailed. Um >> when you say that you're referring to 265 01:13:39.360 --> 01:14:00.400 the actual redevelopment we're talking about redevelopment exhibit D >> in the >> 50 general why why did you differ from the what was adopted as a redevelopment plan in so many different ways on the architecture >> we do understand you had a plan that was 266 01:14:00.400 --> 01:14:17.199 adopted by the board and adopted which which is there and you've seen it. Why so many differences? >> So the plan, the bulk, the mass, the scale, the setbacks, the you know >> I get I'm talking about the architectural >> the design standards again my 267 01:14:17.199 --> 01:14:33.040 architectural opinion uh largely conform and are in line with the design standards. I think as we >> I don't think the board thinks they are >> and and that's what you're basically hearing from the board is that they think it's entirely different from what was approved by within the plan 268 01:14:33.040 --> 01:14:48.480 >> and and it just seems like the windows too on the facades are smaller than what we expected them to be. They're >> smaller than the ones facing I guess on the corner. 269 01:14:48.480 --> 01:15:06.480 I don't know if it's the scaling purposes of it, but it looks very just institutionalized. >> It looks like a a lot like the building at 170 Mammoth on the corner of the parking lot next to the bagel place is what it looks like to me. It feels like that old Redbank Register building. And 270 01:15:06.480 --> 01:15:23.600 I realize you're the new architect and I get it. But we liked what they presented before. Don't take it personally. We like this less. And I get that they hired you. You didn't want to put your mark on this thing. I understand that. I get it. But >> we really liked what we saw last time. 271 01:15:23.600 --> 01:15:39.840 >> I realized that wasn't the site plan application, but that's the feedback. >> No, I think this feedback is excuse me, Sher. I think this feedback is incredibly helpful and important. And I think that we're not getting through this application tonight. I think Definitely not. >> Definitely not. 272 01:15:39.840 --> 01:15:56.719 >> Um I I think that as part of this process, we're listening to the board and we're coming back I suggest you go back to what the board approved the first time as part of the plan because the whole reason that that's those are exhibits to the redevelopment plan is because that's 273 01:15:56.719 --> 01:16:11.440 what the board expected to see as part of the project. You're coming in you're not presenting that. >> The other thing that's not coming through in this iteration and it's not it's in the illustrative concepts. I don't think it's a technical requirement, but there was a top story 274 01:16:11.440 --> 01:16:27.760 step back shown in the renderings, particularly on Monmouth Street, which does help to create that meaningful, and that word was very intentional. I think it was Brian's addition, meaningful articulation to the building, um, which what we are seeing in this iteration is 275 01:16:27.760 --> 01:16:43.600 very flat on that top story. It's it's a vertical gray basically. And in the the illustrative plan and the the redevelopment plan, it was an actual step back with private spaces for those tops story uh residences which might have changed how the amenities were were 276 01:16:43.600 --> 01:16:59.280 allocated throughout the building. So again, it was a concept, but it was a concept that this board signed off on basically and the public >> and it's attached to the plan. It's not as if they some redevelopment plans just have this the uh the bulk setbacks and and everything like the bulk standards 277 01:16:59.280 --> 01:17:14.080 and that's it and the applicant's able to play around with it. That's not what this is here. There's actual exhibits with the architectural designs attached to the plan and adopted with the plan. So these are all deviations from the plan. 278 01:17:14.080 --> 01:17:30.640 >> Yeah. Well, I councelor I I believe that those are illustrative only. Obviously, I don't think there's any, you know, any >> they have to have they have to have an a point to them. Well, I think that it says right where you show the renderings in the redevelopment plan that they're meant to be illustrative only and that 279 01:17:30.640 --> 01:17:46.560 they're not indic indicative of any burough approval. Uh renderings, you know, have been updated to reflect building five store. I mean, this is we, you know, you see this sometimes in a redevelopment plan. Nothing within the redevelopment plan itself actually references exhibit D. I think they're in 280 01:17:46.560 --> 01:18:01.920 there as an illustrative for illustrative purposes to show and again I think this is this is a working process and this is a process by which you know we're a partner with the bureau on this where we thought what we were doing I'm not the architect of course but I think that what we thought we were 281 01:18:01.920 --> 01:18:18.800 doing was responding to some of the bureau's feedback throughout that process and clearly it wasn't what exactly what the bureau thought they were going to be seeing and I think that these uh I think that these conversations in this conversation in particular is very important for us and 282 01:18:18.800 --> 01:18:35.280 I think that we should continue with hearing your feedback and thoughts. I mean that was you know uh a strong way to you know open the questioning from the board of course but I think that we maybe move through our landscape so we could see a little bit more and and hear 283 01:18:35.280 --> 01:18:50.800 some more feedback from the board and then we're coming back to the board with possibly some changes that satisfy some of your concerns. The other comment I would have if if allow Mr. Chairman is um we talked about West Street, we talked about the overall 284 01:18:50.800 --> 01:19:06.800 amassing which I think you've hopefully gotten the point. The other issue I have is the Oakland walkway. Um and I understand that the architecture has changed. There are more units above. It's less glass. But it doesn't feel like this is a 285 01:19:06.800 --> 01:19:23.600 public space that the public is welcomed to walk through. And so I'd like to see in your next round perhaps some kind of wayfinding particularly if you're coming from West Street like hey train station this way you know like inviting the public through to this space because right now it's feels a little bit like a 286 01:19:23.600 --> 01:19:39.040 tunnel that's 12 and a half ft above ground lit obviously but it's still not kind of welcoming the public in and really making that connection to both the Werf and the public plaza at the train station. Um, so I mean the redevelopment plan talked a lot about 287 01:19:39.040 --> 01:19:55.679 that as a public space and right now it feels very private and very kind of hidden >> and with regard to the stoops because I know uh the chairman made that brought that up. I mean the plan and we're looking at it over here is very specific on page 20 as the type of the the type 288 01:19:55.679 --> 01:20:12.159 of stoops that would be or apartment edges that would be appropriate for web street which is not reflected in the plan. So that's not in one of the exhibits that's in the plan. Yeah, that's that is in the plan uh councelor and and I you know we obviously recognize that of course um you know we 289 01:20:12.159 --> 01:20:27.920 would be seeking a deviation from the plan if we were to design them that way and you know you would think that the redevelopment plan would rather something be fully conforming to the bull standards but hearing the board's feedback tonight seems like you'd be open to seeing what that would look like 290 01:20:27.920 --> 01:20:43.600 even if it created a deviation that >> yeah I think that's like understandable if a deviation is needed to make it feel more Sure. >> Pedestrian. >> That's understood. >> I mean, the plan specifically says these would be appropriate for West Street, >> right? >> So, so that is what the board intended to look at. They don't use those words 291 01:20:43.600 --> 01:20:57.440 uh loosely. >> No, understood. I I think that there might have been a miss on the bulk in that, you know, in that street, but I think we um can certainly go back and if the board did want to see at least study it and >> does anyone else have from the board 292 01:20:57.440 --> 01:21:13.120 have any questions for Mr. John? >> Just one more. Um, I just am very cautious about the amount of Is that like a painted Hardy panel? Is that what is being proposed? >> Uh, James Hardy vertical fiber cement panel. 293 01:21:13.120 --> 01:21:30.159 Yeah, it's pre um it's fabric. It's it's painted in the factory. It has a 30-year lifetime. Um, I mean, they can be touched up. They can be painted in the field if they need to be. >> I understand. There's just a lot of it shown and that that is a kind of a 294 01:21:30.159 --> 01:21:50.520 highmaintenance material in the fact that it 10 years from now will need to be repainted maybe less. >> We have not seen that >> it's a painted material is what I'm saying. >> I agree that we have clients who have maintain 295 01:21:53.520 --> 01:22:09.840 >> okay just sort of a general we would hope to see um durable lowmaintenance materials in abundance. >> Sure. I mean again architecturally I've opinionated that this is durable. This is low maintenance and you know I think 296 01:22:09.840 --> 01:22:26.639 you see similar materials that were used on the in the design imagery that was associated with the appendix in the in the redevelopment plan. Um but again this would be appropriate to create relief other than fivetory masonry everywhere and to create that articulate 297 01:22:26.639 --> 01:22:41.760 I mean I'll just share certainly thank you chair thank you board member comments back and ways we incorporate I also welcome and encourage you to dig in on these and look but I think in some ways we've also 298 01:22:41.760 --> 01:22:58.719 added where some of the design imagery attached to the redevelopment plan uh while maybe having a step back in a certain area had less articulation across the length of it ways go back and look at some of the comments we heard today. Looked at how 299 01:22:58.719 --> 01:23:14.480 we might emulate that into the design. But I think there's a number of strong moves that are happening here uh that again are in concert in harmony with with the design standard and build upon the foundational design work of that imagery. Um I've been through this 300 01:23:14.480 --> 01:23:30.960 process I think. Um and again everything builds upon those community sharets and the design imagery was generated and then we have to engineer the building but we have to keep it in line with expectation design standards. 301 01:23:30.960 --> 01:23:46.639 >> I do like the idea of the cornice on the fourth floor um to help the break. So if it's like a mesh between what was presented last time with that decorative cornice um that stands out, I think it would help. But I just want to circle 302 01:23:46.639 --> 01:24:03.440 back to the parking um for the residents. So you will be charging an extra fee in addition to the rent for the parking spaces to the residents. I just am not too comfortable with that because 303 01:24:03.440 --> 01:24:21.440 that's should be included with a feature of the of the parking. I can understand part um a extra charge for an extra space monthly, but to charge residents monthly to live in an apartment building 304 01:24:21.440 --> 01:24:38.159 where parking would be limited for them if they were to park on a street is just an issue. >> Yeah. I mean, if you're going to guarantee the parking, you got to guarantee the parking. And and saying you're going to guarantee the parking by charging them an extra fee isn't guaranteeing them the parking. And then 305 01:24:38.159 --> 01:24:52.560 those people who don't want to pay for the parking are going to park on the street which is going to cause problems. >> I I think that the applicant would be and I don't think we have to agree on a condition necessarily right now. >> It's going to have to be a condition. >> The gap it sounds like the the board 306 01:24:52.560 --> 01:25:08.239 wants to see the parking included in the gross rent. >> Yes. >> At least the >> one space >> an extra space would be an extra space. >> Yeah, that that's understandable. But the one space is it's kind of needed 307 01:25:08.239 --> 01:25:26.080 because of the limitation in parking >> and we don't want to force um people on the street taking up other you know spaces that are meant for the residents that live there >> or going to shop in those shops. 308 01:25:26.080 --> 01:25:40.880 >> Anyone else from the board have any questions? How how deep is the actual covered you know the walkth through? I know it's open in the on the west on the Oakland street west street side. How deep is the actual 309 01:25:40.880 --> 01:25:56.719 uh it's approximately 68. So the floor plate here is about 68 feet deep from one side to the other side. We also have to keep in mind the uh the width right you know almost the rightway if you will or the width of it. Um, again, I think if we look at the scale of a human 310 01:25:56.719 --> 01:26:13.920 person there in perspective, um, I think that's a generous space. I I know, you know, we heard uh about signage and visibility. We saw on the other renderings there's clear sight lines of the twotory double-decker NJ Transit trains and the platform. And I think uh 311 01:26:13.920 --> 01:26:28.960 we'll hear more from our landscape architect about some of um the signage and the visual cues with within that public realm. But I do really think it's an an inviting space. It's well lit. It's welldesigned both hardscape and landscape. That makes for it to be 312 01:26:28.960 --> 01:26:45.520 inviting. Um, but to answer your question, uh, it's about 68 feet deep. It's about 12 and a half ft high. It's well lit. We have storefront windows on either side. I'll take two questions. Sorry. T, can 313 01:26:45.520 --> 01:27:00.719 you put that rendering back up? The one from Mona Street. >> Sure. So where it is labeled signage at the corner that kind of tower feature what is that material is that a different color of fiber cement 314 01:27:00.719 --> 01:27:18.800 >> that is it's the medium gray so >> but it's like vertical >> so it's the night gray it's a board and batten >> so it's a board and bbatton which creates a vertical uh groove um you know a vertical or you know oriented band uh 315 01:27:18.800 --> 01:27:34.000 the design imagery that was attached to the redevelopment plan showed corrugated material. It showed limited material. It showed, you know, materials that had articulation. And again, we thought it was an appropriate material to use to create a break. Um, we certainly 316 01:27:34.000 --> 01:27:50.239 considered going five stories with brick. And maybe that's something we look at is is going five stories brick on that corner, which better book ends. In the prior rendering, we saw where we went five stories with the brick, five stories in the center. We chose not to do that to break down the scale of it 317 01:27:50.239 --> 01:28:07.760 and relate matter to that fourfloor corner line, but I could see I could see perhaps that we look at bringing the brick five stories here. >> Yeah, I think you might think about that because right now >> the move that we made. >> Yeah, it's reading as the that's the 318 01:28:07.760 --> 01:28:24.159 primary color and material um is that that gray. Even though it's not the darkest gray, it's still gray. I think that might be helpful. Um other thing that the redevelopment plan talks about is sustainability and green design features. Can you speak to what the building is doing? 319 01:28:24.159 --> 01:28:41.280 >> Sure. Yeah. I mean the the building and the site design is quite smart um in regards to smart design and green design. I mean from from a site standpoint, the site's almost 100% impervious coverage, right? So we're we're managing site storm water design. 320 01:28:41.280 --> 01:28:58.320 We're reducing the island effect. Um, in terms of principles of access to transit, we have the Red Bank NJ Transit train station immediately across the way. We're providing bicycle parking internal to the building for residents. We're providing bicycle parking for transit. Um, in terms of all the 321 01:28:58.320 --> 01:29:14.800 appliances for the apartment units would all be Energy Star approved uh appliances. Um, all the lighting would be LED lighting. So, that that that reduces the draw. Also, Energy Star lighting. Uh we typically see auto off movement sensors within the garage. You 322 01:29:14.800 --> 01:29:31.440 know common areas of the building which reduce energy load. The windows would be all be low you know low programmable thermostats in all the apartment units. Uh low flow water fixtures 15% of the required parking uh for 323 01:29:31.440 --> 01:29:48.320 reevelopment plan would be also EV charging throughout that parking garage. Um and a number of the building materials low VOC, low emitting um you know really creating a smart design and a sustainable lifestyle. 324 01:29:48.320 --> 01:30:05.600 >> Can I ask I know Mr. Chairman this is usually your question but since you mentioned the fixtures within the units the affordable units will have all the same materials inside of them as the as the market rate units. Correct. >> Correct. >> Okay. same materials, same appliances, same 325 01:30:05.600 --> 01:30:22.159 carpet. >> You can't under UX standards, you can't differentiate between affordable units and >> not anymore, but it wasn't that long ago that someone did. >> So, the answer is yes. Sometimes we see different finishes on appliances. Uh, this applicant is proposing that same 326 01:30:22.159 --> 01:30:38.960 appliances, same finishes, same carpet, >> same walled material. So, not to jump on Christina's thunder, but um so all of those are positive things with regard to sustainability and green building, but they do feel pretty standard at this point. Um is there 327 01:30:38.960 --> 01:30:54.960 anything else that your team has looked at in terms of electrification of portions or even all of the building? Um you know, other communities are advancing pretty far along those lines. And the redevelopment plan also speaks to, you know, solar ready uh aspects. you want to speak to the potential to 328 01:30:54.960 --> 01:31:11.440 put panels on the roof or canopies on the garage roof? All of those might be in play. >> Yeah, I mean there's nothing preventing uh there's nothing preventing um the erection or or or installing a solar footake canopy on top of the parking 329 01:31:11.440 --> 01:31:27.920 garage. That could certainly be done at a later date. Um the roof is a flat roof. We do have a number of penetrations and mechanical equipment that are up there that don't that that doesn't lend itself to a whole lot of real estate or area for photovoltaic but certainly the roof would be solar ready. So that could be something that could be 330 01:31:27.920 --> 01:31:43.280 added at a later date. Um >> and by solar ready you mean pre-wired. >> Well unfortunately >> because that's usually what that means. >> Unfortunately the utility power we had solar on the roof we generated solar. We can't send that. We're not 331 01:31:43.280 --> 01:32:00.679 allowed to do that. Um but yes I mean we would have the capability of adding that and you know certainly using that for house loads or offsetting house sending that back um building would have that capability. 332 01:32:01.199 --> 01:32:18.800 Um, speaking of the um sustainable or environmental friendly measures, um, the lighting should be down lit. Um, >> yes. For you're referring to the >> on the street. Yes. The exterior. >> Yes. Um, the site lighting, I mean, 333 01:32:18.800 --> 01:32:35.719 we'll hear more from landscape architect about site lighting, but >> but on the building, too. >> Building lighting would be shielded. It would be down lit. Not trying to light the building up over over accentuate the lighting building shielded and that lit 334 01:32:39.120 --> 01:32:57.280 >> might have a few. Um, is there residential uh bicycle parking, secured bicycle parking? >> Yes, there is. I think 88 spaces internal to the building. >> Yes. Uh, and would you be the one to speak to 335 01:32:57.280 --> 01:33:14.000 um the roof elements, the the green roof and what that consists of, or would that be the landscape architect? >> Um, well, our landscape architect can certainly speak to the design of the common rooftop amenity space, the pavers, raised planters, and some of the, you know, maybe tree balls that are 336 01:33:14.000 --> 01:33:29.679 located up there. Um, and the raised planters, we're not proposing a green roof, per se. Um, so there's not a green roof associated with the application. >> So what you're um the application includes green space on the roof. 337 01:33:29.679 --> 01:33:45.960 >> There is green space associated with the with the passive rooftop amenity space. Yes, planters plantings. Yes. >> So it's not specifically designed to assist in storm water management or something like that. It's more of an amenity. >> Correct. 338 01:33:46.480 --> 01:34:04.159 Is there um drop off parking for like Amazon and UPS and FedEx and >> there is so uh we actually and I think we'll hear more from our civil engineer follow our landscape architect right truck turning movements etc. We have off- streetet loading uh two bays that 339 01:34:04.159 --> 01:34:20.239 are within the south building um adjacent to the residential lobby and then we also have uh a striped loading area um immediately adjacent to that and then also on Mama Street um or loading or service to the retail and the back of 340 01:34:20.239 --> 01:34:35.760 house i.e trash and recycling or short-term delivery. Um all of those events are coordinated and scheduled events. Trash is by a private hauler, same times each week. Uh, Tuesday mornings and Friday mornings. Building management's on site. Residential 341 01:34:35.760 --> 01:34:52.159 moveins, one occurring at any time. Coordinated schedule through building management. FedEx obviously is on a route. They arrive at the same two times each day. But, um, yes, we've dedicated areas on site and on street for that. 342 01:34:52.159 --> 01:35:17.520 Do you mind putting up the ground floor plan again because I think that's the along the west street um corridor next to Wanitos is where a lot of that I think is going to occur. Be helpful to see. >> So we're referencing A10 sheet two. 343 01:35:17.520 --> 01:35:33.600 >> Okay. Can can you maybe explain where the loading areas are? And I think there might be a couple transformers there as well. >> So the loading area is here. The off streetet loading is located here. Um again the the exhibits that were attached to the redevelopment plan 344 01:35:33.600 --> 01:35:49.440 contemplated that they showed a loading area. That hasn't changed. Two days off street that occurred. There's also a striped area in front of that that that could be used for short-term or convenient drop off immediately into the lobby for mail or 345 01:35:49.440 --> 01:36:05.920 UPS or FedEx. We also have a striped area over here on Mama Street. Um, in terms of trash termination, recycling, that's all terminated internal to the building and internal uh trash rooms that are mechanically ventilated. Building management again would manage 346 01:36:05.920 --> 01:36:23.760 that uh uh by a private hauler uh no differently than other mixed use or commercial buildings throughout the the downtown of the burough. Um we obviously have the capability of loading from onsite during off hours on on the woundf. Um and you know the majority of 347 01:36:23.760 --> 01:36:37.920 the mechanical equipment is screened internal to the building. I think there was a question about that. Um, so again, smartly designed, >> but I was trying to understand in reviewing this what was sort of happening right next to the Wenito's building. It looks like there's a sort 348 01:36:37.920 --> 01:36:54.880 of a corridor with some grass, I think. >> Yeah. Um, so Wanitos is right here. We separated our building. It applies with the international building code. It complies with the setbacks of the redevelopment plan. We've created separation between our two structures. 349 01:36:54.880 --> 01:37:09.920 Um, we'll hear more from a civil engineer, but I believe these are grass papers in this area that are a pushade or we have a walkway that leads to the parking garage for egress. Uh, 350 01:37:09.920 --> 01:37:24.639 area there on the right. Um, you know, we do have two padmounted transformers there to the building. Uh there is one more here that is a requirement of these types of buildings and it for the utility provider and their requirements. 351 01:37:24.639 --> 01:37:42.320 Um we're not a allowed to put them inside the building create a transformer vault. So we have to be smart about where they go and obviously mitigate views and impact. I think we've done that. Um thank you. Another 352 01:37:42.320 --> 01:37:58.800 comment on the Oakland Street Rammenade. Um, so what's what's the total length of the building approximate west facade from north to south? 353 01:37:58.800 --> 01:38:16.320 >> You're referring to this length here. >> No, actually like north to south. The entire mass is it's somewhere 600 feet or more >> of the pretty much of both buildings combined. the entire frontage both combined are a little over 600 feet. Yes. So and and that that was a chief 354 01:38:16.320 --> 01:38:33.199 concern during the redevelopment plan which was what led to the language around meaningful articulation which is also what led to this discussion around this Oakland Street prominade and uh articulating the architecture in a way 355 01:38:33.199 --> 01:38:49.520 that essentially created two distinct buildings rather than one um sort of monolith uh reading of the building from the west. And um in the appendix of the 356 01:38:49.520 --> 01:39:05.119 redevelopment plan, there were some images of like a glass pedestrian bridge that um felt very light and allowed a sort of view even down the whole Oakland Street corridor through that Oakland 357 01:39:05.119 --> 01:39:20.239 Street prominade um without the feeling of it being obstructed by five stories of building And so I personally, and I don't know how the rest of the board feels, but I think 358 01:39:20.239 --> 01:39:36.639 that was a really strong point of the redevelopment plan that I would like to see come back as opposed to just um adding five more floors of units there. I understand it's it's more units, but 359 01:39:36.639 --> 01:39:54.400 um and maybe there's a happy medium, but I think it's something that needs to be explored further because right now um >> I think we when we um recommended to remove the sixth floor um one of the final renderings uh move the the some of 360 01:39:54.400 --> 01:40:12.239 the lost units into that space. However, the last set of renderings that was provided to us had larger windows. Um, so it still gave that feel of like a see-through um transparency and I think 361 01:40:12.239 --> 01:40:28.560 what is being proposed the windows are smaller and so it it doesn't give that same feel where what was proposed before or what was rendered to us before gives more of a larger you know. Sure. 362 01:40:28.560 --> 01:40:45.760 >> So maybe there's some sort of happy medium that can be achieved. >> Yeah. And and the divides in the So this is being proposed with the light divides and the windows are thicker. Um the opening is is smaller. Um whereas what 363 01:40:45.760 --> 01:41:00.639 was proposed last time was when um what is it? ceiling to floor um wider opening with kind of like the windows taking up the maybe the average length of what a 364 01:41:00.639 --> 01:41:16.639 of a what a room would be. >> Um so that that feel was there. >> Yeah. I mean but welcome the comment and again I I I watched the YouTube vision sessions with the community with the public. I certainly sat with the 365 01:41:16.639 --> 01:41:33.119 applicant and learned the history. As you alluded to, early massings were six stories. There are renderings that were attached when it went to five stories. And even the floor plans that were attached as exhibits show residential units. So, at some point in the evolution of this, it was always contemplated we'd have resolution or 366 01:41:33.119 --> 01:41:48.320 we'd have residential units there. I think some of the early renderings were illustrative because glass actually reflects sky and reads darker than translucency in reality. Um I think we could go back and certainly look at it. 367 01:41:48.320 --> 01:42:04.639 Also, we have to navigate these windows. By the way, what we're showing here, these are floor to ceiling. Uh this is, you know, we have 9 foot ceilings. We're showing an 8 foot header for that window. And we are bringing the window sill to a few inches off of the floor. So we are showing this is a nine foot 368 01:42:04.639 --> 01:42:20.239 wide window. So three pieces of three foot blast then two pieces of three foot glass. So this is six feet by eight feet and this is 9 ft by 8t. So that's quite large. I mean we obviously also have to navigate what again some of the 369 01:42:20.239 --> 01:42:36.239 illustrative imaging didn't also contemplate demising walls between a bedroom and a living room right and or you know mechanical and structure. So again it's a balancing act of actually engineering the building and bringing it to reality and constructibility within the construction type that we are with 370 01:42:36.239 --> 01:42:51.040 the units that contemplated and the density of margarita affordable housing etc. Um we could look at curtain wall and spandre spandre glass there make it all glass. I also think that this is my architectural opinion. I think that 371 01:42:51.040 --> 01:43:08.000 that's also not appropriate and not in form or in harmony with the two. But again, we could go back and study maybe there's an opportunity to expand the width of some of those windows. Um we certainly hear the comment and again it's a balancing act. >> It might help to have more articulation 372 01:43:08.000 --> 01:43:23.520 between the windows. I'm looking at the rendering that was in the final plan and and I understand like the that might not have been totally engineered, but there is a little bit more articulation so that um the windows are not kind of receding behind the flat gray uh fiber. 373 01:43:23.520 --> 01:43:44.639 Um so it might be something to explore in conjunction with potentially making the windows larger if possible. >> Windows operable? Will will they be operable? >> Yes. Yeah, we'll have operable windows in all the apartments. >> Anyone else from from the board have any 374 01:43:44.639 --> 01:44:00.400 questions? >> Uh just a a quick one um out of curiosity and and for our future alignment um can you confirm does does this conform to the 25% I believe it was 25% red brick standard that we had in 375 01:44:00.400 --> 01:44:15.280 >> Yes. uh we can we'll be back and we can provide that percentage but yes the building conforms 25% of the exterior building materials that we're proposing on these public rightways are that red masonry brick veneer uh that we showed 376 01:44:15.280 --> 01:44:32.639 >> just just suggesting we really like it uh as my colleague here mentioned I think that echoes a lot of the historic buildings that have stood the test of time in in the town so more of that is good I think also used in a way that's maybe less asymmetrical um and and 377 01:44:32.639 --> 01:44:48.159 larger surfaces >> would echo those a little bit better. >> Susan, just a question. That 25% was it like per I know it's supposed to be considered um one whole building, but it's described as two separate building. 378 01:44:48.159 --> 01:45:04.960 Was it 25% per the separation in the building or just for the overall north um north uh what is it? North side. I think it was everything because I went and looked at the same 379 01:45:04.960 --> 01:45:20.800 thing and I think so there so it's being satisfied largely on one building or all I would say on one building >> which the design imagery again attached to the redevelopment plan also represented just I mean for I don't think red brick was being proposed on 380 01:45:20.800 --> 01:45:34.639 the south >> they weren't >> massing of that building in the >> on the one story in on Oakland and west that had um a red brick there. >> Yeah. 381 01:45:34.639 --> 01:45:49.520 >> And it was intended to maybe merge some of the white panel that was in the southern end of that building with more of the red brick. I think that's where the transition we wanted more of red brick, not to reduce what was on the 382 01:45:49.520 --> 01:46:09.040 northern side of that. >> We can certainly study that. You know, I think the comment is is there opportunity to introduce some red brick on the southern massing of the building? We could certainly review that. >> I think the language could have been more precise, but I think the intent was that it would be kind of consistent 383 01:46:09.040 --> 01:46:23.199 throughout the site. >> I just have a couple questions and starting off, can we assure any revised plans that you guys submit reflect all the building materials and colors that were discussed today? 384 01:46:23.199 --> 01:46:43.920 >> Yes. And you spoke about parking that I believe you said the top garage floor would be reserved for residents. And then you also mentioned something about the basement floor. >> So we have multiple levels of the ground floor. The basement uh in total is 93 385 01:46:43.920 --> 01:47:00.679 parking. Those spaces would be public and transit spaces. Above the ground floor, we have a secure peop remaining spaces in the parking deck. All of the upper floors on the garage, including roof of residential use. 386 01:47:01.600 --> 01:47:22.840 >> Thank you. I just I just uh want to reiterate it. Um the original plan had two buildings with kind of a public space between them and the walkway on top. 387 01:47:23.119 --> 01:47:40.320 It's a very close, huh? Okay. So, it just this is that all got filled in uh with this thing and I don't know what you could do to get it back to that 388 01:47:40.320 --> 01:47:57.119 original thing. I think that happened maybe when it went from six floors to five and you had to get more um more uh apartments to make up for the lost floor. 389 01:47:57.119 --> 01:48:14.239 And it just it's not the same anymore. And if you look at it now, it looks like one huge wall. And and and there's nothing inviting for the public between them. Even though you could go there, I'm looking at it, it 390 01:48:14.239 --> 01:48:35.360 just doesn't look it doesn't look very public oriented. If anyone from the public has a question regarding the testimony so far, Mr. Boku, you're the first to jump up. >> I know you know this already, but please 391 01:48:35.360 --> 01:48:50.880 state your name and address for the record. >> William Boku, um, Greater Redbank NAACP president. uh one glaring um missing point in the architecture. 392 01:48:50.880 --> 01:49:14.400 Uh >> I know you're going to phrase this as a question, right? >> Yes. Is a question. >> Yes. >> So, um you have 24 uh studios, none of which are affordable. 393 01:49:14.400 --> 01:49:36.480 and um the bed the three bedrooms are affordable. Why isn't there any spread of affordability in the studios? >> Good question. Um the the U-Hack makes reference to 394 01:49:36.480 --> 01:49:53.280 that no more than 20% of the units need to be one-bedroom or efficiency units, but they also have a minimum bedroom count. Um so we are providing the onebedrooms versus studios uh to meet the minimum bedroom count that's required by the state. And generally 395 01:49:53.280 --> 01:50:09.360 speaking, I would just note that in many cases, people would prefer that the affordable units not be allocated to studios because they want a larger unit for the affordables. So, while there are efficiency units, we spread them through 396 01:50:09.360 --> 01:50:25.679 the onebedroom. >> Yeah. And Chris, so a studio unit and a studio unit and a one-bedroom unit are both single occupancy units. The one-bedroom units are larger than a typical studio unit at that point being more desirable um more habitable floor 397 01:50:25.679 --> 01:50:43.280 area. Okay. So, second question with respect to parking uh the parking that's allocated seems like uh they're there for uh what you call tiny cars. Now I in in in terms of 398 01:50:43.280 --> 01:50:59.520 uh the space that's available if you look at AD Oakland uh long trailers can park people trying to uh what you call it u uh come out there and do service of whatever could 399 01:50:59.520 --> 01:51:16.239 park long trailers. Is there any uh what you call accommodation for uh the guy that moves in who is a landscaper and needs to uh park his vehicle with a with a trailer? 400 01:51:16.239 --> 01:51:33.520 Uh no, there's no accommodation for trailers. Um the one clarification, all the parking spaces are 9 ft wide by 18 deep. That's a residential site improvement standard, state standard. Drives are 24 feet. um that code. That's 401 01:51:33.520 --> 01:51:51.320 what you find in most typical parking downtown uh surface parking lot parking that accommodates most size vehicles. Uh no, it doesn't accommodate trailers or commercial. 402 01:51:52.400 --> 01:52:08.080 >> Does that then not limit the type of people that are going to be living here? So also the the ordinance I don't believe conticts that the ordinance talks about size of parking spaces. I 403 01:52:08.080 --> 01:52:23.679 think uh the burrow of Redbank itself has a has an off street parking stall dimension um that that is standard for a building like this. >> Okay. Is there going to be an HOA? 404 01:52:23.679 --> 01:52:39.920 >> Uh this is a this is anticipated to be a rental community. So there would be an on-site leasing and management office but not a homeowners association. >> Okay. And uh with respect to a fee charged for parking, uh how's that going 405 01:52:39.920 --> 01:52:54.560 to be administered? >> That will not be administered because we are going to agree that there is no fee charged for parking. >> Okay. >> They're going to put it in the rent. >> Okay. All right. Uh there'll be further >> Yes. >> Thanks, Bill. 406 01:52:54.560 --> 01:53:10.760 >> Thank you. Anyone else from the public? Sir, in the middle, come on up. Give us your name and address, please. >> Hi, good evening. My name is Paulo Rodriguez Haymon. I live at 18 Hubard Park. 407 01:53:11.280 --> 01:53:28.080 >> The truth, the whole truth, brother. >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> I am also a commissioner from the environmental commission. So these comments were also provided through the EC to Shauna. But uh >> these are questions now, not comments. 408 01:53:28.080 --> 01:53:46.880 We got that letter. We will deal with that. >> Okay. So specific >> please form anything you've got in as a question regarding the testimony given so far. >> Okay. The questions would be for the storm water management in relation to 409 01:53:46.880 --> 01:54:03.199 that. Better better when the engineer testifies, but you can keep going for a few more seconds before I tell you to come back. >> Okay. The hook is out, just not just yet. >> It's it's very much an engineering question. >> I watched Late Night at the Apollo. I >> I don't want to I don't want to saddle the architect to answer a question for 410 01:54:03.199 --> 01:54:17.440 the engineer. >> Okay. So, the question would be, can there be more proactive storm water management instead of meeting the criteria, taking this as an opportunity to improve storm water runoff? We are 411 01:54:17.440 --> 01:54:33.440 adjacent to the Navas Inc. which is surface water body. It's the pride and joy of the town and it is not doing so well. So we would appreciate can you guys >> Well, I appreciate the comment. I think as the chair said that that's probably more appropriate for the engineer and we'll be happy to answer that when when 412 01:54:33.440 --> 01:54:49.440 he testifies which probably will definitely will not be tonight will be at the next hearing and we do have your the letters from environmental commission. Um, and uh, we will obviously address all of those comments in that testimony. >> Okay. >> Um, but I now I know it's coming, so 413 01:54:49.440 --> 01:55:05.360 we'll be ready for it. >> Shall I go on for native plants? >> Uh, that probably is landscape. That's the next guy. >> Okay. >> You come back up. Don't >> All right. What about the lighting? Just the last one on the lighting. Thank you for the down lighting clarification. And 414 01:55:05.360 --> 01:55:24.080 then the uh the question would be pertaining to the color temperature going to 2700K for dark sky compliance and supporting wildlife. >> Is that you Stuart or 415 01:55:24.080 --> 01:55:40.239 >> Yes, for building mounted lighting but uh probably site lighting that's better for the landscape architect and the civil engineer. >> Okay. Lastly, the pavers uh SRRI that might be for the architect as well. >> That's for the landscape architect and 416 01:55:40.239 --> 01:56:06.599 or civil engineer. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you. Thank you so much. >> Come on up, sir. >> Good evening. Uh Frank Bvaka, 38 South Street. I do >> understand. 417 01:56:09.360 --> 01:56:23.760 >> Yes. >> Can you just spell your last name? I'm sorry. >> Yes. Beva B as in boy. E V as in Victor. A C QUA. >> Wow. I butchered that on my own. Geez, that's terrible. >> Well done. Thank you. 418 01:56:23.760 --> 01:56:39.280 >> Uh just to clarify, uh there's two questions about parking. Uh, what are the proposed number of public and transit parking spaces that'll be available to the general public um in development? I heard 93, but I wasn't sure if I heard that right. Uh, versus 419 01:56:39.280 --> 01:56:55.679 the number that are there now, which I believe is 219, but if you could clarify what that actual number is and any net loss of those parking spaces. And secondly, >> let him answer the one question. >> Sure. Go sir. >> So detailed parking breakdown will be 420 01:56:55.679 --> 01:57:11.920 provided by the the civil engineer. I think I noted that earlier simply providing the general number of spaces but to answer your question uh the civil engineer will respond to that. >> Okay. Be another night. >> Um and secondly uh you referenced I 421 01:57:11.920 --> 01:57:27.199 believe a traffic and parking study. Has that been completed and will it be available to the public or is it already? >> I don't believe I made any reference to a parking study. Uh Mr. Murphy, you could add as to what report was submitted. >> Yeah. So, so I did when I was marking it 422 01:57:27.199 --> 01:57:43.760 in, there's a traffic impact study which is available through the zoning office. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Will be available online. >> It's a public I don't think it's online. >> Okay. >> It's not going to be online, but you can make you can go up to the zoning office and review it. >> And we will have traffic testimony as part of our presentation at a later 423 01:57:43.760 --> 01:57:58.719 date. Okay. >> And I'll let I'll let everyone know that the traffic engineer never in the history of the world has testified against their application. >> So be ready for that. >> Okay. >> Okay. Thank you. 424 01:57:58.719 --> 01:58:15.920 >> Thank you. Who's next? Ma'am, come on up. >> Hi. >> Name and address, please. >> Mary Rollinsson, 335 Broad Street, New Jersey. >> Want me to swear you in? Ma'am, do you swear any testimony you're about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, 425 01:58:15.920 --> 01:58:32.080 nothing about the truth of God? >> Yes, I do. >> Thank you. >> Uh my question has to do with uh parking. Um you might be aware that at nighttime or late afternoon when there are a practice going on at the armory or when there are games at the armory, both 426 01:58:32.080 --> 01:58:48.080 the the big parking lot and the ancillary lot are chock full of cars of people who some come from Redbank, some don't. So, I wonder if any consideration has been given to what's going to happen on those afternoons and evenings or the 427 01:58:48.080 --> 01:59:04.800 nights that people go to see uh the Yankees or the Mets or or the Knicks or go to Madison Square Garden for concerts, where would they park? >> I thank you so much. I think that's probably best for the traffic engineer. Um, but we'll note that and we'll 428 01:59:04.800 --> 01:59:22.800 definitely answer it. Thank you. You ready for me, Dan? Go >> ahead. >> Linda Cohen, 28 Riverside Avenue. >> And Miss Cohen, do you swear in testimony about the gift? Shall be the truth, the whole truth, but the truth shall be God. >> Sure do. >> Thank you. 429 01:59:22.800 --> 01:59:39.840 >> Okay. Um, with respect to the parking, what parking that was lost and um what how parking of course will be reclaimed. You spoke about 15,000 square feet of >> No, Miss Cohen, I I think that it's sort of a similar question to what was just 430 01:59:39.840 --> 01:59:56.000 asked and the answer was let's wait for the traffic engineer to talk about traffic. >> Not not exactly >> at the parking. >> Not exactly. >> So, this is an architectural question. >> Well, um, no. >> Then it's the wrong witness. This is the architect. >> Okay. We're talking about retail space 431 01:59:56.000 --> 02:00:12.800 and we're talking about um a serviceoriented and I'm wondering how uh that works within the confines of the architectural space in terms of for a retail establishment. What kind of retail do you have in mind? 432 02:00:12.800 --> 02:00:44.239 That's what I want to know. >> Oh, okay. Because you were talking about parking. So, okay. >> Sorry, Mark. >> That that's okay. Well, it was just we were just talking about parking. We said don't ask about parking. Yeah, we can answer that question. >> I'm sorry. >> Who wants to ask a question next? Come 433 02:00:44.239 --> 02:01:02.320 on up now. Hi, I would like to ask >> what the name and address, please. >> Gabrielle Miguel uh 28 Riverside. >> And let me Yeah, you got to speak more into the microphone or you can listen to 434 02:01:02.320 --> 02:01:18.400 >> you. Um Gabrielle McIll, 28 Riverside Avenue. >> And let me just swear you in this. Miguel, do you swear any testimony you're about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the true self? >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. I'd just like to know what the required setback and the proposed 435 02:01:18.400 --> 02:01:44.239 setbacks are. The building to the street on the side streets >> that we can answer. >> You can answer that right there. >> Get there. >> Page 13. >> 13. Right. Um, 436 02:01:44.239 --> 02:01:59.199 so Mama Street, the minimum building setback on the ground floor is 10 feet. On West Street, 10 feet, Chestnut Street, 15 ft. That's for the north parcel. And then the south parcel, Chestnut Street, 12 feet. Herbert Street 15T, Leonard Street. We're not here to 437 02:01:59.199 --> 02:02:14.800 talk about the south parcel tonight. So um, so 10 feet, 10 feet, and 15 feet for Chestnut Street, which this application conforms with. So that's 10 ft from the building to the street itself, >> the ground floor building structure to 438 02:02:14.800 --> 02:02:31.679 the property line. And in many instances, the property line is in inboard or inset from the curb. So from curb to building structure is a greater dimension >> and roughly what what is that in your plan? 439 02:02:31.679 --> 02:02:46.239 >> Well, our our plan conforms with those stepbacks. So we have on Mama Street, our building is 10 ft set back from the property line. West Street, we're we're set back at 10 ft from the property line and Chestn Street 15 ft from the property line. >> Okay. And you're saying that that's 440 02:02:46.239 --> 02:03:02.239 that's not from the street itself. It's from >> So the property So the property line is the rightway or the property line. >> Got the curb is outboard. So if you actually measure from the curb to the building on Mama Street, it would be 441 02:03:02.239 --> 02:03:18.400 greater. So for instance on Mama Street from the property line to the building is 10 ft and from the property line to the curb looking at this here it appears to be another seven or eight feet. So from curb to building obviously it's a greater dimension >> right 442 02:03:18.400 --> 02:03:38.880 >> that's typical. >> Thank you. >> Thank you >> Mr. Hill. Uh, good evening. Alan Hill, 64 McLaren Street, and I promise this is a question addressed to the architect. >> I want me to swear you in nevertheless, 443 02:03:38.880 --> 02:03:54.159 Mr. Hill, did you swear a testimony you're about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth, self you got? >> I so affirm. >> Thank you. Um, you can tell from my accent that I'm not around from around these places, but listening this evening brought to mind a 444 02:03:54.159 --> 02:04:11.360 terrible tragedy that happened in my home country some years ago involving um a project very similar to this where um a large modern building caught on fire 445 02:04:11.360 --> 02:04:27.199 and the cladding of that building then went up like a Roman candle and more than 70 people died and in the subsequent um inquiry. It turns out that 446 02:04:27.199 --> 02:04:42.880 the the builders had used substandard cladding and this cladding was not to UK or even EU standards but was actually built to US standards and supplied by a US 447 02:04:42.880 --> 02:04:58.800 company. Now, what I would like to be assured is that the cladding that you've uh demonstrated this evening is far superior to that sort of and will meet modern fireproof uh standards because 448 02:04:58.800 --> 02:05:14.480 I'd hate to see that happening here. I'd hate to see our already stretched fire department dealing with a tragedy of this nature because I'm not certain they could do that. So, um, you know, we've seen how pretty some of these, uh, 449 02:05:14.480 --> 02:05:33.760 claddings are. How safe are they? Thank you. >> It's an excellent question for the architect. Well done. I didn't think you had it in you. >> So, Mr. Manus, thank you for your praise. statement as well as question but all 450 02:05:33.760 --> 02:05:49.920 here for comply with state state building code NFBA fire protection requirements any local uh construction ordinance here within the bureau yes >> the building sprinklered >> building is fully sprinklered building 451 02:05:49.920 --> 02:06:10.719 will be sprinklered NFPA13 which is above and beyond what's required by the building code >> someone else from the public I have a question. Everybody just came to listen. I have the same siding on my house and I will tell you when it was installed a 452 02:06:10.719 --> 02:06:27.599 few years ago, I desperately tried to light a piece of it on fire just for fun to see if it would burn. And damn, it wouldn't burn. I have plank on my house. It wouldn't burn. Now, I'm not saying with a proper application that you couldn't burn it, but I tried. 453 02:06:27.599 --> 02:06:46.239 And I used to propane things and I still couldn't catch it on fire. >> Um, on that note, Mr. Chairman, before before we do anything else, >> oh, there was another question. Okay. >> Hi, I'm Jackie Carneahan, 28 Riverside Avenue. >> Let me just swear you in a bus here 454 02:06:46.239 --> 02:07:00.719 together. >> There's a lot of us. >> All right. Do you swear a testimony you're about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth stuff you got? >> Yes. I just was wondering you all have spoken a lot about these original designs. Can we see them? >> Yeah, it's a public document 455 02:07:00.719 --> 02:07:18.800 >> where we have to come here to get them. >> Okay, great. Because I'm looking at Red Bank Green wondering if that's what you're talking about. Love to see it. Great. >> Although there were probably renderings on the original Red Bank Green articles, but >> there are, but I'm not sure if what I'm looking at is what you're looking at. So, 456 02:07:18.800 --> 02:07:33.360 >> Donna, I just curious. >> Is it on the site too? the burough site >> redevelopment plan. >> The redevelopment plan is >> redevelopment plan. Yes. Yes. Yeah. That when we were talking about the original what was in the appendix of that redevelopment plan and that full plan are on the burough website. 457 02:07:33.360 --> 02:07:49.440 >> Okay. Great. Okay. Thank you, >> Mr. Chairman. You know, in um further what Brian was talking about before as to the openness and I think you mentioned it also the wanting the public to feel like they were welcome to walk through here. Uh there is an excellent 458 02:07:49.440 --> 02:08:04.079 example within the plan. I think it's page 27 if we can find it. There it is. If you can put that up on put it up on the screen. >> Sorry. >> I think that's what you know it's very 459 02:08:04.079 --> 02:08:20.639 open looking and inviting and I think that's with the bridge the way it's looking. Um I think that's what the board was envisioning. I mean I don't want to speak for the board but but that's what I imagine. Just so we're on the same page, councelor, is this part of the redevelopment plan that was adopted? Are 460 02:08:20.639 --> 02:08:39.360 you sure of that? It's not part of an earlier version. >> Included in like many versions of the appendix >> because I don't have that. >> If you don't have that, it's page 27. >> I don't. No. >> Okay. I'm just going by what? >> Sure. Of course. I just want to clarify. 461 02:08:39.360 --> 02:08:55.280 >> All the way down. >> Okay. And I think that was frankly an earlier iteration before the sixth story came off and they put more units above Oakland. >> That was >> okay. >> That was the trade-off. >> Well, it's still a name. It's still something. 462 02:08:55.280 --> 02:09:10.800 >> Yeah, that that was the more recent one. >> This is the view that is in the appendix >> on page 50, appendix D. >> It's sort of the same idea though >> as what's on page as to what we were just showing you. >> Yeah. Yes. 463 02:09:10.800 --> 02:09:26.639 which seems to be missing from the current design. >> I think the only thing different here, the windows are a little bit wider. We're showing the same thing. Floor to ceiling windows. The distance between the header of the window and the sill is the same. Color of the material is the 464 02:09:26.639 --> 02:09:42.159 same. And I believe that's fiber cement or implied to be. Obviously, this was an objective image implied to be the height clearance to the underside of that bridge piece and the width of it is the same as what we're showing here. I think the only difference is that the windows 465 02:09:42.159 --> 02:10:04.960 themselves are a little bit wider. And I think we had said one of the things we'll go back and look and see if we can't make our windows a little bit wider. >> Okay. Um, I think that the windows are not the issue. I think the open spaces 466 02:10:04.960 --> 02:10:22.079 that we see in that one, the um ability to walk a little bit further and and to feel like you're not squished between two buildings um is what I'm seeing here. The I don't see that in what 467 02:10:22.079 --> 02:10:37.520 you've showed me tonight. I felt very claustrophobic. Um, well, hm. Yeah, it was like a tunnel. This is this is like and and the dark and the darkness of the of the of the buildings 468 02:10:37.520 --> 02:10:54.400 um that makes it even seem more claustrophobic. It's it's very to me it's depressing. I'm sorry. I don't mean to be critical, but um I'm going to >> No, listen. I I think that we've heard this comments and I think we're 469 02:10:54.400 --> 02:11:10.320 certainly we go back and and I think you know this is not a professional statement but if I looked at the images in the redevelopment plan it looks to me like a cheap building that my client would develop in an urban center I think this is much better but I'm hearing what the board's saying and I think we can go 470 02:11:10.320 --> 02:11:26.719 back and I think we can look at that and we can look at especially this this walkway or what was a walkway and is now apartments and how that looks and I think we can come back and give the board something that I think meets us in the middle then Please do because, you know, we're not against this project. 471 02:11:26.719 --> 02:11:44.639 We're we are looking to have the best >> that we can have in Redbank >> and and this does not >> I don't feel like it fits in the neighborhood either. So, >> and I've lived there all my life. >> And when you come back, can you please have some renderings specific to that 472 02:11:44.639 --> 02:12:00.719 plaza area uh so that the board can really see what it is rather than just the street view? >> We have that next year. our landscape architect as >> he he has those >> public space. >> I apologize. I didn't know they were forthcoming. >> More to follow. Um >> which I don't think we're going to get to. 473 02:12:00.719 --> 02:12:17.520 >> We'll see. Linda, another question. >> I just want to know from >> Tell us your name again so we know. >> Linda Cohen, 28 Riverside. >> Still on her own. >> Yep. Still Linda Cohen. Um, my concern is that when I remember a couple years ago, we were never going to 474 02:12:17.520 --> 02:12:35.280 have projects quite this huge. This is a massive project. We have a massive project right now at the VNA. And I don't know how anybody else feels about this, but I think it's a little overwhelming for our sweet little town. I mean it is getting to the point where 475 02:12:35.280 --> 02:12:52.960 we are inundated with building and we have an infrastructure issue. This is a small town. We have flooding. We have problems with with water. We have sewage issues. >> I know you're wrapping this up into a question, right? >> Yes. I'm sorry. The question is why do 476 02:12:52.960 --> 02:13:10.239 we have to have five floors and this mass of a project in an area that right now isn't even coming close to anything like that. But we do have something on the other end of the town that's pretty daunting. I don't know how that happened 477 02:13:10.239 --> 02:13:31.679 with this planning board, but I really would like to know. I really don't have an answer for you. Um, beyond the fact that someone owns a piece of property, they have the right to develop it. It was bigger when they came in. In the beginning, it was six 478 02:13:31.679 --> 02:13:50.159 stories, not five. >> You have planning for it. You can say no. >> Well, we we we said no to several things, including six floors. Um, and I don't know what to tell you. You know, 479 02:13:50.159 --> 02:14:07.360 I mean, people have a people have the right to develop a property, and I don't think it's as bad as the VNA site. >> Our entrance to Redneck is a disgrace. While I would agree with that's one of my regrets of being here um more than 480 02:14:07.360 --> 02:14:23.840 once over the years that site um I don't feel quite the same way about this. So I don't think this is as bad as that which we can disagree on. That's fine. But um this is what the applicant brought. We 481 02:14:23.840 --> 02:14:40.400 spent a great deal of time in many meetings talking about it and this is what they've come back with which I think they're hearing that we don't love it as much as we loved the previous I don't want to call it an application but the renderings that we 482 02:14:40.400 --> 02:14:58.960 liked better before but >> can't we just say this this is too big for that property >> well we did and they made it smaller >> maybe it's not small >> maybe it's Maybe we should look at it from an architectural point of view. What fits 483 02:14:58.960 --> 02:15:16.800 and looks good and brings something to this area rather than just taking things away from our area. Right now, what I'm seeing in Redbank for the last 25 years is getting me really upset. That's all I have to say. It's not a question and I apologize for that, but I 484 02:15:16.800 --> 02:15:32.800 am really, really disappointed with this planning. All >> right. Just so just so the board's aware, this was a conversation that needed to happen uh two years ago or whatever when the plan was adopted. Uh it's not a conversation you can have today. The architectural aspects of it 485 02:15:32.800 --> 02:15:47.599 because it doesn't reflect what's in the plan, I think, is fair game. But as far as reducing the size of the building, the plan's adopted that this is a variance-free application. So, >> right, it's variance free because we we made it that way. I I'm not denying 486 02:15:47.599 --> 02:16:04.320 that, but I'm saying it's not I I don't want the public to be deceived that this board has the power tonight to say make the building smaller. >> Now, I already ruined Mr. Denholt's day once. >> We don't have that power. >> When we went down to five stories, that was the look on your face was priceless. 487 02:16:04.320 --> 02:16:20.560 Um, so, you know, I I I hear what you're saying and and we can disagree and that >> I know it's not you. I realize that I read all the comments online. I don't respond, but I read them. Um, and boy, 488 02:16:20.560 --> 02:16:36.800 do I want to respond. Uh, but I don't. Um, I get it and that's why you're all here and and we appreciate that you're all here. And when it comes to comments time and you all want to come up and say the same thing that Linda just did, who knows what kind of impact that will 489 02:16:36.800 --> 02:16:52.559 have. the the previous meetings, it wer's view of this redevelopment plan that got it down from six to five stories. We took a floor off the building at the 490 02:16:52.559 --> 02:17:10.399 request and from the feedback of the public, which is why I very much appreciate people being here >> at the entrance. And now we're going to have a circus at a train station. >> Your definition of a circus can be completely different from someone 491 02:17:10.399 --> 02:17:27.200 else's. >> Question. >> Come on up, Bill. You're still under oath. >> Tell us again who you are so we have it for the record. Not that I don't know who you are. >> William Puku, 90 Bank Street, President 492 02:17:27.200 --> 02:17:43.040 Greater Red Bank, NAACP. uh you testified that uh the roof is a flat roof and uh is going to be solar ready uh of sorts. How many car charging stations will be 493 02:17:43.040 --> 02:18:00.080 available and how will people get access to that? >> That that is a question that our architect can answer. Thank you. >> Great question. Um the specific number will be provided are by our civil engineer 15% generally 15% of the parking in the garage that we have will 494 02:18:00.080 --> 02:18:16.319 be level two EV charging uh first third of that installed day one and then all the infrastructure and conduit to support the remaining twothirds brought online um you know within the timets that are prescribed and outlined uh in the MLU ordinance um but that should be 495 02:18:16.319 --> 02:18:34.880 adequate for the building. We've sized the electrical infrastructure to accommodate that there for both public spaces. I mean no different than a public the charging station will be managed by a third party 496 02:18:34.880 --> 02:18:50.240 company like say charge point you know the the uh the building owner and the operations team will partner with a u management company like and there'll be wall chargers uh first come first serve uh but they'll be 497 02:18:50.240 --> 02:19:06.719 accessible for both the private residential spaces as well is in the garage >> can you talk a little bit about the aspects of the actual public transportation area and I saw some renderings a little bit more ahead and if it's not a question for you whoever 498 02:19:06.719 --> 02:19:23.519 it may be I'm interested in the actual open space for the public while they access public transportation. Um what are the amenities that are being offered to riders? What is I love the idea of a shared space. What makes it sharable and accessible for folks? >> Yeah, that's an awesome question. um our 499 02:19:23.519 --> 02:19:46.639 landscape architect who's next I think will shed a lot of light on the public open space which is amenity for the public as well as residents of this building 90 street will the public have access to the pool 500 02:19:46.639 --> 02:20:09.680 >> no Anyone else in the public have any questions for the architect? Okay. Suzanne here this state your name. >> Uh Suzanne Vcomi 25 Cedar Street. >> Yes. And Stormy, do you swear any 501 02:20:09.680 --> 02:20:25.840 testimony about the Gable will be the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth? I'll be God. >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> And for the record, I'm not speaking for any board or uh position I hold in town. I'm speaking on my own accord. Uh, so this is definitely a big pillow to swallow for everybody, especially 502 02:20:25.840 --> 02:20:42.840 residents that live few houses away. I feel bad for you. Um, my question is, you're going to have an influx of people. One of the big things is are are they going to be able to have pets like dogs living in this apartment? 503 02:20:43.680 --> 02:20:59.520 >> Uh, yes. This will be a pet friendly building. >> So, I mean, I have dogs. I rescue a couple dogs. Uh, I feel bad for the residents because there's a poop problem in this town. So, is there going to be a dog run or something so they're not, you know, walking on people's lawns and down 504 02:20:59.520 --> 02:21:14.800 the street that there might be some amenities for that? Because let me tell you, on Bridge Avenue, it's horrible. Between the the poop and the alcohol bottles and the trash on the street, Bridge Avenue is a mess. So, I would hate to add to that. 505 02:21:14.800 --> 02:21:35.040 Uh, no, no dedicated dog run is proposed, but there's ample open space here on site. >> Something you might want to consider, I think, if memory serves me, the VNA building, which officially I do hate the way it 506 02:21:35.040 --> 02:21:55.520 looks, um, has a dog walking grass area on the roof. I think >> you remember that. >> Yeah, we can certainly review options to consider that. >> Yeah, just something to just something 507 02:21:55.520 --> 02:22:11.040 to think about. Yeah. I mean, I want to shoot people who leave the poop in front of my house with their dogs, too. So, I'm not going to do that. >> Arson, murder. Yeah, Sean is keeping a list of the things I'm interested in. Anyone else in the public have any 508 02:22:11.040 --> 02:22:42.600 questions regarding the testimony so far? Okay, we are definitely going to stop at 10 o'clock. So, bring your landscape architect up and let's get started. >> Sure. >> Thank you, Stuart. I mean it's helpful. 509 02:22:43.120 --> 02:23:50.160 Okay. Thanks. Uh, next we're going to call our landscape architect, Tom Bower. >> Let me swear you in, sir. Do you swear any testimony you're about to give will be the truth, the whole truth? Only the truth of God. >> Yes, I do. 510 02:23:50.160 --> 02:24:07.280 >> And just state your name for the record. >> I think you turned it on. >> Yeah. Hold. Yep. There. >> There you go. Uh, Thomas Bower. >> And you're a licensed You're a landscape licensed landscape architect. And yes, our carman landscape architects 511 02:24:07.280 --> 02:24:22.640 >> and your your license is in good standing with the state of New York. Thank you. That's all we need. >> Great. Tom, uh you've been qualified as an a landscape architect. Uh can you walk the the board and the public through your plans? >> I can. Sure. >> We're going to mark these exhibits. These are have not been provided to the 512 02:24:22.640 --> 02:24:39.760 board yet. We're starting at A17. >> Um >> and you're going to provide us with smaller copies of these? >> Yes, we're going to email everything to the board. Great. >> Um so what are we calling this? This, excuse me, this >> this is called this, it's entitled the streetscape. >> Streetscape. Okay. >> The rail at Redbank North 513 02:24:39.760 --> 02:24:55.600 and it is a master plan. Yeah. Okay. So, what I'd like to do, uh, following Stuart, who has given you a very nice synopsis of of the of the project, I'm going to dive into a little bit of, uh, more specifics having to do with each of the areas of of the site. I'll start 514 02:24:55.600 --> 02:25:12.880 with the plaza uh, and I'll proceed then through the Warf area. We'll talk a little bit more about the prominade and then I'll finish up with the streetscapes and actually then finish up with some of the amenities on the upper rooftops which I think you'll find interesting as well. So uh you saw the 515 02:25:12.880 --> 02:25:28.880 existing conditions plan from Steuart uh which showed the the site as it is today and we all know it's a couple decades old. It's in it's tired. it's worn out. And we think that the new new plaza at the train station is going to be a very vibrant uh pedestrianoriented uh 516 02:25:28.880 --> 02:25:44.880 wonderful outdoor space for for the entire for the entire town, for the for the public. Uh so if I may refer to this area, here's a train station. Uh the tracks obviously here, this is uh Mammoth Street to the right, which is to the north. Uh and we have to the the 517 02:25:44.880 --> 02:26:00.399 bottom of this is the the Warnerf as we have envisioned through the project. We'll hear more about that. But we think we have a wonderful outdoor public space that is fully accessible uh is is complimentary to the architecture of the train station. If you recall, previously 518 02:26:00.399 --> 02:26:15.359 going back, there was at one point in time a more contemporary site plan for this area. We've gone back and coordinated with New Jersey Transit and with Shipo, the historic preservation folks, and modified the design to be much more of a traditional plaza area. 519 02:26:15.359 --> 02:26:31.840 We think we think is works very nicely. We're using natural materials. We have brick pavers. We have blue stone pavement as well. We have seat walls that inframe the the train station. Uh we have a a broad area, two areas of lawn for flexible programming 520 02:26:31.840 --> 02:26:48.560 opportunities. Uh within this area, we actually have a bus stop here that supports two buses and a bus stop in this location. Uh we have uh parking adjacent to the woundorf that flows directly into and provides access to the to the uh to the to the park and the 521 02:26:48.560 --> 02:27:05.760 plaza off of Mama Street. We have two main entrances for the pedestrians. One uh up near the tracks at this location and the second near just above the wound. We have the west entry area and the east entry area. Uh within here we have the gatekeepers booth obviously 522 02:27:05.760 --> 02:27:21.600 which which we're keeping which is historic obviously along with the train station. We also have I'm going to jump to another exhibit here for for the moment and I'm going to highlight a couple of >> we're going to mark for the board's reference. This is A18 and can you just tell me what this is? This is 523 02:27:21.600 --> 02:27:37.680 >> for A18 is called existing conditions and potential relocations of of elements within the within the plaza. Okay. It's called existing. Yep. >> Existing conditions slashp potential relocations. Got it. >> Perfect. Uh and the existing conditions are to the left. And again, you can see 524 02:27:37.680 --> 02:27:52.560 the train station Mama Street to the right. And you can see the condition of it. We know it's some failing pavements. It's vehicular circulation through here which buses travel through today. There's a weak landscaping. But there the what I want to point out here is that we have the gatekeepers booth in 525 02:27:52.560 --> 02:28:08.800 this location. uh Mayor Rohern's marker in this location uh which was dedicated years ago. There's a circular metal artwork that was provided again years ago by New Jersey Transit which is a a groundmounted circular area that 526 02:28:08.800 --> 02:28:25.600 highlights the state of New Jersey and the city of red and a burrow of Redbank and that's in this location. And then also right here which you can't even get to really is the Count Basy bust that's within this landscape area. So what we're proposing to do because they're important elements to to Redbank is we'd 527 02:28:25.600 --> 02:28:41.600 like to relocate a few of those obviously train station stays and and the gatekeeper booth stays. However, given this traditional layout of the brick patio and seat walls, what we're suggesting that we do is take the the uh the bust of count basy and locate it in 528 02:28:41.600 --> 02:28:58.160 this location to the right of of the main entry area and then the O'Harn memorial plaque in this location as well. So they would flank the walkway going in. And then right here in the center would be that the dedicated uh New Jersey transit uh map of New Jersey 529 02:28:58.160 --> 02:29:15.280 and again you walk right some of you may not even be familiar with that. It's out there. But I think that's a good solution that was not on our original plans but this is a result of some of I think some of Susan's comments and requests uh uh in her report. And this may in fact require a deviation because there's some language in the 530 02:29:15.280 --> 02:29:31.760 redevelopment plan that talks about not relocating these monuments and maybe >> Yeah, I had spoken with the engineer about this. um they they called I think earlier this week because the redevelopment plan does say that these elements need to be preserved in place and um so they were sort of suggesting 531 02:29:31.760 --> 02:29:47.520 well now because of the the changes to the landscape plan that and as I understand are largely because of the state historic preservation office a lot of these elements are kind of going to be in lawn area and and perhaps hidden so it might make more sense to move them so that they are placed more prominently 532 02:29:47.520 --> 02:30:03.840 um that would require a deviation from the redevelopment plan. I think it probably makes sense assuming that they are truly preserved and and will just basically be put back uh in their condition in these new locations. >> Yeah, I think it's a great idea. I really do. And I give you credit for for 533 02:30:03.840 --> 02:30:19.200 bringing that up. So, I think it's a very brought up, but but I'm happy to take credit. >> We'll give you credit. >> We'll give you credit. We'll give you credit. >> So, the next exhibit is to the left here. This is entitled >> So, we're going to do A19. >> A19 is a is a a 3D perspective of the 534 02:30:19.200 --> 02:30:35.200 plaza. It's entitled Train Station Plaza >> Plaza 3D perspective. >> It's a rendered view. And again, you can see in the foreground is the the uh gatekeepers booth. So that view is taken in this direction looking across here. I'm up in here a little bit. You can see obviously the train station, the train 535 02:30:35.200 --> 02:30:51.359 tracks. We have a train to the right. This is the the uh northbound train uh area. Uh and as you can see is the the pl the plaza is is uh uh respective of the train station architecture. We have ample lawn areas for flexible 536 02:30:51.359 --> 02:31:06.800 programming, whether it be for a movie night or for a music in the park, that kind of a thing. So, I I think that's it's very effective and it works very nicely. It's a beautiful landscape. We can see the building obviously in the distance. We see the retail area below, residences above. Great views from those 537 02:31:06.800 --> 02:31:22.880 residents of of the plaza in the park. Mama Street is here to the left of the of the of the exhibit. And you can see the bus. This is the pulloff for the buses. And we have a bus stop in this location. Nicely designed. Again, we have ample landscape, terrific attention to the ground plane. What's very 538 02:31:22.880 --> 02:31:38.640 important throughout the entire site is how we've addressed the ground plane, the pavements, what we walk on every day. No different than the carpet in your living room. The brick pavements, blue stone, and we have we'll talk more about some of the pavements in the Warnerf. But in addition to that, we have ample landscape, beautiful shade 539 02:31:38.640 --> 02:31:54.319 trees, flowering trees, ground cover that we'll talk a little bit more about again. Uh lighting is very important. There was a comment earlier by someone asking if we could go to 2700 Kel Kelvin as opposed to 3,000. We're certainly agreeable to that. That's fine. All the 540 02:31:54.319 --> 02:32:08.880 lighting is dark sky compliant. There was a a comment about that earlier as well. So, I think that this is a very nice uh uh rendering that I I think expresses our vision for this plaza at the train station. So, that was uh A19, Chris. 541 02:32:08.880 --> 02:32:26.720 >> Yep. So, we're going to go to A20, which is again A20 is entitled Train Station Plaza as well. Just a different view. This is looking at the front of it. Again, that's viewed right here. I'm I'm standing now in the drop off area. That car, >> just so we're clear for the record, are we calling this train station view 542 02:32:26.720 --> 02:32:41.520 front? Is that >> Sure. Okay, >> that sounds good. >> Okay. >> Train station view front. We're standing here is a drop off area. >> I'm sorry. >> This is a west view. >> This would be a west view. So I'm looking west. Yeah. >> So let's call it train station west view. 543 02:32:41.520 --> 02:32:57.280 >> West view. Okay. >> So drop again drop off area here for access uh for uh patrons to to visit the the train station or pick up someone drop someone off. So we're looking directly into here and again you can see the attention to detail on the ground 544 02:32:57.280 --> 02:33:13.120 plane. Red brick pavers, blue stone borders, uh brick seat walls with attractive lighting uh and ample circulation throughout the area. uh lawn areas again again for flexible programming and I think it's a very 545 02:33:13.120 --> 02:33:28.880 functional and uh a purposeful tastefully done as as Stuart has said before very tasteful uh solution to to the plaza. Next, let me jump into the some of discussion about the wounderf. And we've created this wounderf years back because 546 02:33:28.880 --> 02:33:42.880 I think it's a very very important element of the site plan. Uh because it allows access from the building from the retail residential area to connect to to the train station plaza uh without being a road that would cut through it. It is 547 02:33:42.880 --> 02:33:59.200 as w as a Stuart alluded to it's a wer is a Dutch term. It it means a living street or a shared street. It's intended to provide access for vehicles, bicycles, pedestrians, and in fact, the the Dutch would tell you that the be in 548 02:33:59.200 --> 02:34:15.359 this case, the car is actually the invited guest and that the pedestrians are really the primary user of this area. Maybe a stretch, but but what it allows is the vehicles to slow down due to the nature of the geometry as well as the nature of the the paving materials 549 02:34:15.359 --> 02:34:31.840 as well. Let's just make sure we mark this in as as a >> this is A21. >> A21 >> Warnerf. >> So Warnerf Yes. Exactly. So this is a view taken right about in this area. We're approaching the the intersection here. You can see it's treelined. We have street lights, decorative pavement. 550 02:34:31.840 --> 02:34:46.880 The center line is marked with a with a with a different paver than the drive lanes. The the space is 24 ft wide as your typical cartway is. There is uh angled parking on the uh I'm sorry 90 degree parking on the plaza side and 551 02:34:46.880 --> 02:35:03.200 there is parallel parking on the retail side providing ample parking throughout the area and you can see it's a lovely area and again by nature of the material a little bit of texture on the ground plane the the the dynamic striping uh is afforded to to define parallel parking 552 02:35:03.200 --> 02:35:20.479 spaces and perpendicular parking spaces all designed to provide a great element within in this whole area and again a smooth transition. It's fully accessible. Uh there are no curbs throughout this area. Safety is provided via ballards, trees and lights to to 553 02:35:20.479 --> 02:35:36.960 define where the where the cars can go. So we think it's a it's a wonderful element and again looking walking through and driving through it's a great spot, riding your bicycle through it and looking down upon it. We always talk about the importance of of these public spaces to the residents that we're 554 02:35:36.960 --> 02:35:53.840 marketing to. So enjoyable for the public on a grade as well as those those living in in these apartments. >> I have a question. >> Yes, ma'am. >> The how come there's not like a dedicated bike lane? Um and I know understand that it's a shared street um 555 02:35:53.840 --> 02:36:09.760 because there isn't a dedicated bike lane. Will there also be um symbols in the street letting people know that? >> Historically, there are not. Again, you kind of answered your own question. It's not a dedicated bike area because it is a bike area, >> right? >> It's in invite and it's to it's allowed 556 02:36:09.760 --> 02:36:26.000 for bik bicycles are invited. >> Could there be a shard system in there? It certainly could as we do in some other urban areas on just normal streets, but we've never done one. We've done several wounders before. We've never done any markings or dedicated bicycle lanes in there. I don't think 557 02:36:26.000 --> 02:36:42.080 it's necessary. >> Okay. And then >> speed limit be >> Oh, go asked about speed limit. I'm sorry. Speed limit. Speed limit. Uh, that's a very good question. Typically, they would be posted at five or 10 miles an hour. Very slow. Very slow through 558 02:36:42.080 --> 02:36:59.520 here. It wouldn't be 25 miles an hour. Yeah. But again, I would have to ask the traffic engineer to confirm that. That would go under his >> and um the I know Christina brought this up earlier about the bike rack parking. 559 02:36:59.520 --> 02:37:14.720 >> Yes. Yeah, that's a good point. Let me let me tell you about that. In this area we had it was two two points Sean let me tell you there is uh uh New Jersey Transit has asked us to do what is called an Ooni and that is located in this area and that is to support uh 560 02:37:14.720 --> 02:37:30.240 enclosed bicycles and I have a graphic here. Here you go. >> What is it called? >> Let me go back to >> Ooni uni. >> O ne E. >> I thought it was like sushi. I don't I don't know. >> O ne I believe it is. >> It's an oonie. >> Oonie. That's the product and you can 561 02:37:30.240 --> 02:37:46.080 see it here. And I think I have it in another view as well. Uh it actually has a green roof on it. It's enclosed. It's glass facade. It supports I think 23 bicycles uh per per section. And uh it's it's something that has been requested by New Jersey Transit and we're happy to use 562 02:37:46.080 --> 02:38:00.720 >> So you all are providing that? >> We are. >> Okay. >> Yes, we are. Yes. >> And then we can there's been a request for additional bicycle racks uh and throughout the site just to open up which we can certainly uh accommodate. That's easily done. 563 02:38:00.720 --> 02:38:16.640 >> Was that the only one? There was in our packet another uh rendering that looked like it might be on the other track side to the south. >> On the track side. No, we've done nothing. >> Okay. >> Opposite the track side you're asking. 564 02:38:16.640 --> 02:38:32.880 >> Yeah, I guess I'm just Yeah, it it >> I mistook the direction. >> That's okay. Okay. Next. Uh unless there are no questions on this, I will go to >> Yeah, I'm sorry. So, how many I just want to make sure I'm clear. Uh, how many park how many bike parking spaces are there? 565 02:38:32.880 --> 02:38:50.080 >> I believe there are 23 >> 20 cuz before someone said, unless I wrote down wrong, I wrote time. >> 61 on the street or are you talking about the Ooni? >> The Ooni and the Ooni. >> No, 16. >> 16 at times two. >> 162 at the train station. >> That's correct. 16 times two. 566 02:38:50.080 --> 02:39:06.640 >> And then how many for the building? >> 80. You said I think >> before someone said like 88 or something. I think there are 61 on the street on parked on on the wound. I believe that's the case. >> If that's what you're asking me. >> I know. Someone said 88 before. 567 02:39:06.640 --> 02:39:23.200 >> There's no It wasn't me. >> No, I got the >> No, 88. >> Internal to the building for the res. >> I'm being told by Stuart that that's internal to the building. >> All right. So there So 80 there are 88 bicycle spaces for parking for the residents. >> Yes. >> Inside the building. >> Inside building. Okay. And then so on 568 02:39:23.200 --> 02:39:39.840 this on the wornoff there are 61. No, that's that's vehicle parking spaces. >> So there no bicycle parking spaces there. >> There's 32 total in the Ooni >> and that's it outside. >> That's it. Yes. Okay. Yes. >> But if would we be asked to provide a few more? We can do that. 569 02:39:39.840 --> 02:39:55.600 >> Yeah. You might you might want like if someone orders takeout or something and someone rides a bike for takeout, they have a place to park their bike. >> There is ample area in the retail in the retail space. We have ample outdoor space. We can provide a few bicycle racks in there. Okay. Yes, we can. So you'll you'll install bicycle racks. 570 02:39:55.600 --> 02:40:10.640 Yeah, that's right. You'll install bicycle racks uh to the engineers view. >> Yeah. Okay. So the next exhibit, Chris, are we up to 821? >> Yes. So we're up to 822. >> A22. So this exhibit, I think, is very exciting one. This is called the Wooner 571 02:40:10.640 --> 02:40:27.920 Farmers Market. We have the opportunity, I didn't mention this, but we have the opportunity with the Wounderf to actually close the street as we've done in other urban areas. uh often uh we can close it at Mammoth and either close it at the at the uh Oakland Prominade. So this is it's open for parking here and 572 02:40:27.920 --> 02:40:42.800 this is closed or we can close the entire pro uh uh uh wounderf on a designated afternoon or weekend something of that nature. And that gives us the opportunity to do a a tremendous farmers market or a fair arts fair or something along that wound. uh which 573 02:40:42.800 --> 02:40:58.319 would be a tremendous draw for Redbank and I think it'd be very popular and again because it's at the train station would would would would garner terrific activity. It'd be a great great activity for uh for Redbank we believe. So that's that's what this image is showing. You can see the tents excuse me the tents 574 02:40:58.319 --> 02:41:14.000 and the uh farmers market uh all the way down through the war. >> Is that is that owned by Is that space owned by the uh the building or is that public space? I I don't know. figure out that program. We would have 575 02:41:14.000 --> 02:41:30.640 to as a burrow go into discussion with the developer transit um to find out who exactly will be operating and maintaining that. >> I feel like that will be covered in the redevelopers agreement. >> Yeah. >> All right. I just I didn't know because I didn't know like is this something 576 02:41:30.640 --> 02:41:48.800 that's under the uh developers control or is that something that be under the burough's control? Yeah, you have to figure it out. That answers that question to be figured out. Uh my next exhibit is let's talk a moment about the uh Oakland Street crossing. >> We're on A23. Oakland Street crossing. 577 02:41:48.800 --> 02:42:05.280 >> A23. All right. Oakland Street crossing. Again, this is a rendering maybe a little bit redundant, similar to one that Stuart had earlier, but you can see this is looking from this is looking from uh from the Warner side here, looking down through. So, we're looking this is a view looking to the east along 578 02:42:05.280 --> 02:42:20.479 Oakland Avenue right through this through the center area. You can see the broad prominade, the 12 and a half foot opening that that Stuart talked about. You can see to the left of the retail area and the activity, the landscape, the trees, the lights, people, ballards defining it. Again, attention to the 579 02:42:20.479 --> 02:42:35.600 pavement detail very very important in this area. Uh some sculpture I did we didn't mention art in the in the in the uh plaza as well. starting with art here, there's also the opportunity for public art throughout the plaza, which is which is very very important and and 580 02:42:35.600 --> 02:42:51.920 desirable even if it's rotating art uh as I'd love to see in the in the plaza. >> So, my two cents is let's let the art be flat because we don't need anything else to block the view. >> I'm sorry, say again Oakland. I I'd be worried that that pyramid thing >> Yeah, it's a place >> further. I know 581 02:42:51.920 --> 02:43:06.560 >> that's a place. Yeah, >> I think maybe that is where you were going to put the the metal circular flat artwork perhaps. That's a possibility. That's a possibility if you would prefer that there as opposed to this location at the plaza. Yeah. Both both appropriate locations. Yeah. Sure. Sure. 582 02:43:06.560 --> 02:43:23.120 >> But but again, so this is a view looking what do I say to the east. I have another one which is actually a kind of an interesting view >> looking in the opposite direction. This is from the west. And this we actually did this as a night view. And again it's >> So just so we're clear, A24 Oakland 583 02:43:23.120 --> 02:43:39.120 Street crossing night view. >> Night view. Good. Good. As far as any art that's going to be um installed, would you agree as a condition that that be subject to the visual arts committee the same way the mural was in that way? >> Does that make sense? >> Oh yeah, of course. >> Okay. Sure. Sure. So again, there's been 584 02:43:39.120 --> 02:43:54.640 discussion as to whether or not this is an inviting prominade or not. My opinion is it can be extremely inviting uh properly detailed. Again, attention to pavements on the ground floor. Uh attention to plant material, street trees, shade trees. again to provide a 585 02:43:54.640 --> 02:44:11.840 uniform continuity uh of an an overhead canopy that's appropriate. Uh lighting as you can see with the string lights here which were not on our plan but we certainly want to do string lights through here. Uh seating throughout here and we have retail to the right of this image. Uh the lobby and amenity spaces 586 02:44:11.840 --> 02:44:27.760 to the left. I think this can be a terrific uh prominade and to me it feels very inviting. So, I'm not sure why some people think it is not. Uh, but I think it certainly can be properly detailed. It's all about the detail. Okay. So, that's it for Oakland Street Prominade. 587 02:44:27.760 --> 02:44:45.120 Um, and then we're going to go to >> I'm sorry. So, there will be no um outdoor seating within found within that prominade. Um because I know after like several iterations of the that prominade area, 588 02:44:45.120 --> 02:45:01.680 there was the contemplation between um seating for the uh commercial space >> or um it was like permanent or some had circular tables. So I just wanted to clarify what type of seating or if there will be any seating. >> Yeah, I think I think seating is very 589 02:45:01.680 --> 02:45:16.800 very important for two reasons. One is we anticipate a restaurant on this corner as it is tenatively scheduled. So there would be outdoor cafe seating in this location which would actually be under the bridge. So even in inclement weather we could dine outside. It' be a very lovely spot. But even in this area, 590 02:45:16.800 --> 02:45:32.880 the balance of it where we have the allay of trees, we actually have honeyloust as a light leaf tree flanking this area is what the suggestion. But seating in that area, outdoor seating would be a wonderful idea whether it's fixed or whether it's movable uh in either case, but I think seating would 591 02:45:32.880 --> 02:45:48.240 again make it more of a draw and more inviting. I think it's a good thing, >> but it would never obstruct pedestrian access. >> No, absolutely not. No, we want to provide and encourage pedestrian access through it. Exactly. Um, while we're just talking about that very specific spot and those proposed 592 02:45:48.240 --> 02:46:04.240 honeyloust trees, um, yeah, did you have any consideration for the environmental commission's um, comment about making those silver cell plantings for healthier trees? >> I think there was some indication of the silver cells I don't think are necessary. I think if we use the structural soil that he mentioned that 593 02:46:04.240 --> 02:46:20.160 would be adequate that for the good health of this. We've done this in many of Jersey City and a whole many of other other urban areas. We find it to be very successful. Well, the silver cell is really not necessary, >> but the structural soil is very accommodating and properly fed and new and and irrigated, these trees should do 594 02:46:20.160 --> 02:46:36.080 very well. And I I saw the the gentleman from the environmental commission left early, so I was going to address some of his concerns, but uh my next exhibit >> A25 amenity deck the amenity decks. We're going to talk about the rooftops now. Okay, we have two we have two of them. 595 02:46:36.080 --> 02:46:51.920 This is an overall area. I just wanted to show you this image so that we can see how it relates to the park and the balance of the site. So, we have at this this area that I'm circling here is level two. It's the second floor over top of the of the building and it has a pool area and a couple other amenities 596 02:46:51.920 --> 02:47:06.640 I'll talk about in a moment. And then this other area here, this is way up on top and very way up top top of the building above the fifth floor of the building. So, you have second floor and up on top of the rooftop. So, just to show where they are, I'm going to look at a little closer for you. 597 02:47:06.640 --> 02:47:21.680 And that would be >> amenity deck details. >> Amen. This is next exhibit. Amen details. So, this is just an enlargement of what we just saw. >> A26 amenity deck details. >> Amen uh plan details. Yeah. >> Amenity deck planning. >> Okay. So, this area again, this is the 598 02:47:21.680 --> 02:47:37.920 pool area. We have direct access from the from the door from the end indoor amenity space. We have barbecue area. We have communal dining. Uh we have a television under a canopy. Uh we have chase lounge seating, concrete pedestal pavers in colors that are appropriate 599 02:47:37.920 --> 02:47:54.160 for a rooftop. Uh we have some landscape in an what's called an intensive planting area. So it has soil depth in this area, a planting plan uh to so this is a great great look nice little amenity for the residents of of the entire building. And they have a pool 600 02:47:54.160 --> 02:48:09.279 and and I'm going to show you an image of that in a moment. But while this is up here, the balance of that uh up on the top floor, we have Stuart indicated earlier that there's a elevators, there's an elevator vestibule in this area. The back side of that will be a a 601 02:48:09.279 --> 02:48:25.600 bar uh and seating area, kind of a juice bar, if you will. It'll be covered with a canopy, which is actually a green roof. I'll show you in a moment. We have communal dining. We have other niches of, you know, lounge seating on the rooftop for casual dining and entertainment. We have a lawn 602 02:48:25.600 --> 02:48:41.920 area up top here and we have some private barbecue areas as well. So, the residents can come up. It's a great spot. We have great views from up here. We talked about views before, the importance of that. This is certainly a great area to to maximize your your view of Redback. So, with that, I've got two 603 02:48:41.920 --> 02:48:58.880 more, I believe, two more views here. >> Uh, just a quick question. How would that green space near the barbecues be buffered from the parking the top floor? How will it be buffered from what ma'am? >> From the top floor of the parking. I assume that's the same level. 604 02:48:58.880 --> 02:49:14.560 >> Oh yes. Yeah, that's correct. There is a screen wall here and there is a screen wall here that will define this area and and provide uh stop views from uh onto what will be mechanical area but there will be fire access to stairwells in 605 02:49:14.560 --> 02:49:30.000 these two locations for for egress purposes. Okay. Okay. So, my next two exhibits, >> Tom, do you do you know the building the height of the elevator? >> Um, I'm forgetting the architectural >> the elevator structure. >> This is maybe a Steuart question. >> 15T. 606 02:49:30.000 --> 02:49:46.880 >> So, 15 feet on top of the top story on the roof. >> This will stand 15t above this deck level. Yes. Right. And again, that's a lobby and with two elevators uh for access. So, there's elevator access and stair access in two locations. >> So, this next image 607 02:49:46.880 --> 02:50:01.760 >> Yep. We're at 827. >> 827 is actually a view of this second floor rooftop. You can see the Oakland prominade down below. This is West Street, Oakland Prominade. And you can see the pool, the fine. So the pool is utilized three months of the year as we 608 02:50:01.760 --> 02:50:18.800 know. So that will be closed, but the balance of that area will be utilized year round. So residents will be able to barbecue, sit under the trellis. Again, you see a little bit of a green roof, uh tables, chairs, umbrellas, that kind of thing. So a nice outdoor space. And then uh lastly all the way up on the 609 02:50:18.800 --> 02:50:35.680 top is this view. >> Sorry to interrupt. A28 >> 828 is called rooftop amenity deck. >> Fifth floor above floor. Yeah. Fifth floor. >> Fifth floor view. >> Fifth floor rooftop view. Okay. >> Yes. >> So this a view looking basically to the north. We can see the train station in 610 02:50:35.680 --> 02:50:51.120 this location. Here's the the warf down below. Street trees heavily landscaped. And then we're up on the top of the fifth floor. Uh and uh you can see the this is the elevator uh building right here. The lobby >> elevators within that lobby. This is a 611 02:50:51.120 --> 02:51:06.960 green roof over top of it. There's a a juice bar down below. Some communal seating, some barbecue opportunities. >> Uh then there's some lush landscaping throughout. Again, this is what's called intensive landscaping because it has soil depth for for planting so that we're able to plant trees and various 612 02:51:06.960 --> 02:51:23.439 other uh vegetation. You can see a screen wall in this location answering your question about how we buffer the mechanical equipment uh beyond on both sides and then there's private barbecue areas uh for the residents to uh either rent or use however they decide to manage it up in area. But this would be 613 02:51:23.439 --> 02:51:38.960 a great rooftop and again from up here standing at the parapit looking down across uh the ability to to observe the park, the plaza to watching the trains go by just a great spot. Great spot. >> Another quick architectural question for Stuart. What's the height of the 614 02:51:38.960 --> 02:51:57.680 parapit? >> It would it it ranges from well 42 inches depending on where it is. >> Okay. Thank you. >> But we would need it to be 42 in with some other accommodation purposes. Yeah. 42 inches is required. Yeah. >> Yes. 615 02:51:57.680 --> 02:52:13.600 >> 42 in is fall protection where we have >> private amenity space. Sometimes where we have a lower barit we may have a railing map in this area. >> Yes. We don't want anyone falling. Right. 616 02:52:13.600 --> 02:52:30.080 >> And sorry one more not you might be asking this Christina but um >> the rooftops that are so maybe you could identify what's a true green roof in terms of storm water and drainage versus what is a roof with greenery on it because I think we've got both situations here. 617 02:52:30.080 --> 02:52:45.840 >> Yeah. A lot of times when when people talk about true green roof for for storm water, you're typically talking about the the u uh the trays the the green roof tray system which you do on large extensive areas of rooftop. This is a little bit different. That's many many 618 02:52:45.840 --> 02:53:01.040 times designed for aesthetic reasons as well as storm water. This is more designed for aesthetic reasons as opposed to storm water. Although the soil obviously when it rains it will retain some some some some water. It will retain storm water but that's not the intention here. Okay. 619 02:53:01.040 --> 02:53:17.359 >> Yeah. Thank you. >> Where are you running the storm water roof too? >> That would be an answer a question for the civil who would be next at our next meeting. Yes. Yes. 620 02:53:17.359 --> 02:53:38.399 Somewhere downhill from the roof. Yeah. Right. Um I had some questions we're in a totally different area but the um plaza design near the train station. I was just trying to understand what exactly 621 02:53:38.399 --> 02:53:57.760 were um the requirements placed by Shipo there only because I mean personally I had a preference for the more naturalistic shapes in sort of the >> previous design which I was saying was more contemporary I think. >> Yeah. Um, so just wondering the the 622 02:53:57.760 --> 02:54:14.160 rationale for this plaza specifically the >> um I I understand this the seating walls is a functional surface, but just the placement seems like it might inhibit movement through that plaza. I I use the train, I use the bus. 623 02:54:14.160 --> 02:54:31.359 >> People are often sprinting to catch one. Uh and kind of any encumbrance there might be feel like a nuisance. So, I'm just wondering where that came from. >> Yeah, I think that access today with this plan is much greater than it is today in terms of move, you know, pedestrian movement throughout. If 624 02:54:31.359 --> 02:54:46.240 you're parking in a garage or dining at the retail area and need access across, I think it's pretty it's pretty easy access. There's ample pavement, but not too much because we're concerned about impervious cover. That's that's why we like the lawn areas as well, but I think there's ample uh uh pavement area for 625 02:54:46.240 --> 02:55:02.319 circulation. I my guess is that this is about 24 feet wide uh thereabouts in that area. Um so I think I think it's it's it's good and uh Shipo just didn't like the the contemporary design. So that's we we tried to they like this kind of direction 626 02:55:02.319 --> 02:55:17.520 >> we call more traditional they like this much more >> and they have jurisdiction essentially over that >> we wanted to work together >> because I understand that they they wanted the building to be more prominent >> building absolutely case this is you know this is and I don't disagree that 627 02:55:17.520 --> 02:55:31.680 it wants to this is the the the gem >> to be like the line of sight that >> this is the diamond in the rough right here this but it's not very rough anymore it's rough today not rough anymore but it's a beautiful obviously A beautiful building. Red Bag's very proud of it and I think it presents itself 628 02:55:31.680 --> 02:55:51.439 beautifully in his in his fashion. Yeah. >> Anyone from the public have any questions for Mr. Bower about his testimony so far? Suzanne, come on up. >> Suzan 25 Cedar Street. >> Uh, is there any public access to 629 02:55:51.439 --> 02:56:06.960 restrooms? >> I guess to restrooms. >> Yes. >> Uh, that's a good question. I don't know. Are there restrooms in the train station? I don't know the answer to that. >> Can't use >> I don't know that. So, no, we're not providing any restrooms in this plaza. No. 630 02:56:06.960 --> 02:56:23.840 >> So, it's a lot of public access space. Where would people go to the bathroom? >> Well, don't look at me. >> Well, that that's a good point. I mean, if if there was a community event and it had needed a permit for that event, then 631 02:56:23.840 --> 02:56:40.479 there would have to be accommodations made port John's and that kind of thing. I would trust at a minimum. Yeah. >> Uh my second question is um when we have a lot of snow falling, how are do you have like designated areas for the abundance of snow? Because on my street 632 02:56:40.479 --> 02:56:56.720 they kind of stick them in people's driveways and >> yeah, >> put it out. So is there going to be enough space for the snow being removed so it's safe to walk? C >> certainly the lawn area in this location, but if you're going to shovel the pavement, you can put it in the lawn area. It's not going to hurt anything in the middle of winter. So I wouldn't worry about that too much in this in 633 02:56:56.720 --> 02:57:11.920 within you're saying within the park closet space. >> What about the other place that that street that you said that's passive? >> I think that would be as you would allow any typical street and and s in the burrow >> and in that rendering it had three cars. One car facing towards one car to the 634 02:57:11.920 --> 02:57:28.960 left and not that one the uh a pass picture there was three cars. Um >> I'm not sure which one but in terms of different >> Yeah. So is it is it oneway street or is it a two-way street? >> Two way street. So, it's four lanes. There's going to be two parking. >> Well, there's two two lanes for travel 635 02:57:28.960 --> 02:57:46.640 and there's two 90 degree parking on the plaza side and parallel parking on a retail side. >> And is that going to be I don't know if it's a question for you, 24-hour parking or is it going to just be limited parking? Like in some towns, they require people to leave after a certain time to keep the flow and usage. Um, I 636 02:57:46.640 --> 02:58:03.120 don't know if you've >> Well, I I'm not sure if it would be metered, if the town wants to meter it or anything of that nature. I'm not sure, but it would be certainly it's open 24 hours. >> Okay. >> Yeah, >> Mr. Kernan, >> thank you for remembering. Um, I'm just 637 02:58:03.120 --> 02:58:19.359 curious about like right now you can drive straight up to the ramp in the handicap spot and take your suitcase or whatever and get right up the ramp. And it looks like now there's a lot more space to walk. >> It's a little further. >> Yes. >> So that's correct. That's correct. So for someone who is maybe 638 02:58:19.359 --> 02:58:33.120 >> Y >> So for people with disabilities That's right. >> They have to walk a lot further. >> A little further. It is further. Yeah. >> Okay. I just >> Yes. >> Okay. That would be nice to not have to do. I'm just saying that. 639 02:58:33.120 --> 02:58:59.200 >> Thank you. >> Please tell us your name and address. >> Wendy Jagger, 211 Mama Street. I do >> um I I don't understand where ride share and taxis are supposed to hover because 640 02:58:59.200 --> 02:59:17.200 they do hover and I don't see where that you where that's supposed to be. >> Well, we we have a drop off area in this location would handle three three cars staged in this location right here. Um, >> typically there's at least two or three 641 02:59:17.200 --> 02:59:33.120 taxis that sit there and wait when the trains are coming. >> They could stage there then. Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. I don't know if that's adequate, but >> Yeah. >> The other question I have is you've got so much stuff on the roof. There was some discussion about potential 642 02:59:33.120 --> 02:59:49.760 uh solar. Where is that going to go or where where is it? Have you considered where that would fit? >> That would be a question for the architect. Yeah, just to be clear, we're not proposing solar. However, there was a discussion that if there was solar, that 643 02:59:49.760 --> 03:00:13.520 could be in the form of a canopy on the on the rooftop parking deck >> potentially. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. >> Still sworn uh William Poker 90 Bank Street. Um, if some organization wanted 644 03:00:13.520 --> 03:00:31.359 to hold some kind of a community event in that landscape area, uh, what would they need to do to make that happen? >> I think I think that that's similar to the question I asked before. Um, and because I was curious who controls this 645 03:00:31.359 --> 03:00:46.479 area and I think what I heard was that hasn't been determined yet. >> No. >> So that's that it hasn't been determined yet who's going to run that area. If it's the town, it's going to be a completely separate uh mechanism, I I imagine, than if it's the private developer uh controlling it. And that's 646 03:00:46.479 --> 03:01:09.520 all going to be decided later on as part of the developers agreement. >> It's a very good question. I I I just don't we don't know the answer because we don't know how it's going to end up being controlled. >> Thank you. >> Come on up. >> Yes. Once again, Frank Bvakqua, 38 South 647 03:01:09.520 --> 03:01:26.960 Street. Um, I was just curious as to what pedestrian access would be to the public parking area from say the train when we're getting off the train returning to your car or uh in the morning in the opposite direction of course relative to where you would enter 648 03:01:26.960 --> 03:01:46.720 the parking garage to park and then get to the train. if you could clarify those aspects of the design. >> The parking garage access is off of West Street. >> Off West Street. Okay. >> Right. For for vehicular access or pedestrian access. 649 03:01:46.720 --> 03:02:02.800 >> Pedestrian access is off of >> You mentioned pedestrian access from the garage as well. >> Well, if I Yeah, in either direction. If I'm pulling into the garage and walking to the train or if I'm returning to the garage from the train, I just want to see how far that 650 03:02:02.800 --> 03:02:19.600 >> If you're pulling into the garage, you go here and you can exit at this location. >> Yeah. >> Go to the train or come back in this area >> to access your car. >> Yeah. >> So, the access would be down that uh I believe that's the the Oakland Street extension >> adjacent to adjacent. This is Oakland 651 03:02:19.600 --> 03:02:42.160 Street extension. Yeah. And this is the door to the garage. I see. Yeah. >> All right. Thank you. You come up again. If you come up again, Bill, I'm going to create a limit. >> Okay. >> To the number of times people can speak. >> That's fine. >> I don't know what it is, but it's going 652 03:02:42.160 --> 03:02:57.120 to revolve around you. >> Okay. You wouldn't be any different from everybody else. >> All right. So uh currently uh the train station um ticket office closes at a 653 03:02:57.120 --> 03:03:12.800 certain time. Now this development is going to bring a lot of uh perhaps traffic in there during the winter or uh in the high summer heat. Is there going to be some kind of a canopy for folks 654 03:03:12.800 --> 03:03:30.560 that are waiting for the train or buses? Well, the the train station itself has a very large canopy, right? If you're familiar, right, this does you can I don't Can you see the dash line here that wraps around the train? That's a that's a shaded area adjacent to the train building, the train station. 655 03:03:30.560 --> 03:03:47.200 >> You mean the same as it is right now? >> As it is today? Yes. >> No, but that's not adequate in uh >> Isn't there a large canopy on the platform? >> Yes, there is >> platform. Just in fairness, we don't control that. That's NJ Transit would 656 03:03:47.200 --> 03:04:02.960 control the train station. >> Yes, you are right. >> Yeah, the can the canopy is up there, >> right? The canopy is up there. So, uh piggy piggy backing on uh Miss Viscomi's thing. I think there should be a what 657 03:04:02.960 --> 03:04:20.560 you call it a provision of a a rest something rather than a a part what you what you call that? Yeah, we can't build a public restroom on just on our site. I don't think, you know, that is something that we would be doing here. I think 658 03:04:20.560 --> 03:04:35.439 that if there were events, we still haven't decided exactly who's controlling that, who's controlling those events. Um, you know, as our professional said, there would be a permit likely for some sort of um some sort of laboratory on the site, but uh 659 03:04:35.439 --> 03:04:50.960 temporary, but as part of this project, we can't build a public restroom. If and certainly the restaurants would have restrooms or somebody retail may have a restroom. So somewhere along here would be a restroom. >> Sure. >> You're you're basically creating an opportunity for people to stop pooping 660 03:04:50.960 --> 03:05:09.359 on the lawn. >> I think it's something glaringly missing. Be a great idea for New Jersey Trans put a bathroom in the station accessible from outside. >> Okay. Yes. Yes. Yeah. And I and I think 661 03:05:09.359 --> 03:05:24.399 this is a great opportunity. Uh I mean we're going to be addressing more things later as this thing goes on. And um this is not time for comment, you know, but these are all the things that we have to 662 03:05:24.399 --> 03:05:44.640 take into consideration uh uh including but not limited to displacement of uh people that are already living in the area. Anyone else from the public? Hey, how are you? >> Good. 663 03:05:44.640 --> 03:06:05.439 >> Hi, I'm Danell Johnson, 28 Place. I'm the chair of the RBC. >> Yes. >> And just speak. >> Okay. When I get this ask the questions that the RBC has. >> You can ask them for yourself. 664 03:06:05.439 --> 03:06:20.000 Okay, that's fine. So, I have a couple of questions. I'm not sure if this is the right time. So, you tell me. Actual plants. Is that a now question or a later question? >> Just a question. >> Um, we have questions about Well, I have questions about the actual plants like 665 03:06:20.000 --> 03:06:37.680 Pacandria, laropi, and uh some of the other things. >> We can chat about that. Sure. >> Okay. So, can we nyx the invasive pacandria? >> We certainly can. That pak let me just say a couple things. Pakasandria is listed as an invasive plant. Not that that sounds horrible, doesn't it? Invasive sounds like it's going to take 666 03:06:37.680 --> 03:06:52.960 over the world. It really is a very mildly aggressive plant. If it was planted in the out in the open, it it would grow and it grows by ryomes, the roots that go below and and it grows slowly, but it does grow and that which makes it invasive. In the air in an 667 03:06:52.960 --> 03:07:08.640 urban area like this, we use it all the time because it's contained between sidewalks, building, it's retained. There's nowhere for it to go. So, it's not invasive. It doesn't invade anything. We like it because it's a beautiful plant. It's very hearty. It 668 03:07:08.640 --> 03:07:24.800 creates a green mat that is urine proof from dogs and it's very effective. We use it all the time. So, in this environment, it's really not invasive. Although it is tactically listed as an invasive plant. Having said that, if you would ask us to change it, we will be 669 03:07:24.800 --> 03:07:41.600 happy to do that. But I would encourage you to reconsider. It's a great plant. >> The other one you're going to ask about is Laria. >> Laia. Yes. Laria is is a non-native. It's not a native plant. Again, laria is a low grass. It's a beautiful grass. We use it all the time. It is not native. 670 03:07:41.600 --> 03:07:58.399 That doesn't mean it's not not a good plant. We use it a lot of time again in the urban areas again because it's dogproof. It's urine proof. It takes urine and it mats up and it creates a beautiful green ground cover. We like it. It's not native. I think that's okay. A lot of trees are not native. 671 03:07:58.399 --> 03:08:13.520 Quanzen cherries aren't native. They're beautiful trees, right? Many trees, but Japanese maples are not native. Beautiful trees. Some of you may have them in your yard. Some of your public may have them as well. Beautiful trees. Just because it's not native doesn't mean it's not a good tree for our landscape. 672 03:08:13.520 --> 03:08:28.960 >> Can I make a suggestion on this? Sure. >> You're having that dialogue and you seem to feel that maybe they um you know might be convinced otherwise that they have a >> I'm trying to convince them, but >> No, I understand that. But but since we're not finishing tonight, maybe you have a maybe you have a meeting with the environmental committee. 673 03:08:28.960 --> 03:08:45.920 >> Happy to. Sure. and and maybe you all can work it out ahead of time. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Does that make sense? >> Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Um I'm sorry. I didn't I didn't hear your response about the Silva cells. I couldn't hear you in the back of the room. >> I don't think it's necessary. Not nec 674 03:08:45.920 --> 03:09:01.520 structural soil. >> Okay. >> Very to accommodate the trees. Yeah. Yeah. >> All right. I know rainwater runoff is the engineer. Um papavers. Can the pedestrian paper area use permeable section with an open base? So the hardcape does some storm water work. >> That's possible. Yes, we could review 675 03:09:01.520 --> 03:09:17.680 that with the civilization here. >> I mean clearly this past week we have seen what non-perial uh impervious surfaces are capable of in different communities around our area. Um rooftop open space. That's it. >> That's it. That was easy. Thank you so much. 676 03:09:17.680 --> 03:09:36.080 >> Thank you. >> Can I get two more quick ones in before we >> quickly because my cat is about where I am. just he texted me. >> Two very quick ones, Tom. Um >> if I can remember what they are. Okay. So, I think one of the renderings you 677 03:09:36.080 --> 03:09:51.120 showed um what looked like some improvements to the the track infrastructure itself and also um on Mom Street looked like some some brick treatment of the on street parking. Um both of those looked very nice. I just 678 03:09:51.120 --> 03:10:07.200 was curious um have you coordinated with New Jersey Transit on the tracks part and have you coord coordinated with the burrow on Monmouth and what kind of approval? >> We're not proposing any track improvements. >> Okay. Because it it somehow looked nicer. >> No, that's nice rendering then. 679 03:10:07.200 --> 03:10:23.279 >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. But so on Monmouth um that was the it was one of your details showing a rendering on Mama Street that looked like it was brick paver treatment. >> Oh, you could see it actually on the top one. this one. >> Um, so >> this is this is you're saying this was a 680 03:10:23.279 --> 03:10:38.800 track improvement. >> If you look on the left side on Monmouth, >> yes. >> So, is that a a new brick treatment in what looks like a parallel parking or bus stop area? >> This is this is our bus stop area. >> Okay. So, you're proposing to make that improvement. >> Yes. 681 03:10:38.800 --> 03:10:55.200 >> Within the Mammoth Rightway. And I guess that would require burrow >> Yeah. >> approval. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> And that's on in terms of plans, Susan. Yes. >> Um >> that is this area right here. >> Yes. >> Just to quickly touch on that. If we're not doing standard pavement within the 682 03:10:55.200 --> 03:11:11.200 burrow right away within the roadway, it we wouldn't need to approve that. >> If if we were not doing standard asphalt pavement within the roadway, we wouldn't need to approve that. If they're doing some type of vehicular pavers, >> actually we have I just realized there's 683 03:11:11.200 --> 03:11:25.760 a discrepancy. Our plan shows it as asphalt. The rendering somebody our artist license puts there. So, you're saying it should stay as asphalt, >> which is fine. >> Yeah, >> it just requires approval, right? 684 03:11:25.760 --> 03:11:45.439 >> Yeah. >> Some something to ponder maybe. >> Yeah, we can think about that. The red brain. >> Just the the only other thing I was thinking about for next time you come back is I I I do understand Shipo wanted to see like the lines of sight and everything sort of leading to the train station building. I think you've kind of 685 03:11:45.439 --> 03:12:01.439 achieved that next to the tracks, but on the Monmouth entrance, it it feels like more could be done to kind of orient people's line of sight. >> That's what I was saying. >> That's where I think it works. Yeah, exactly. The the down I don't know what direction that 686 03:12:01.439 --> 03:12:16.720 is. That's >> east, I guess. >> This is east. >> Yes. Um just to sort of, you know, when you're coming off of Mammoth, kind of like take your line of sight and your your walking path up toward the train station. Right now it's kind of leading you more to the wounder. 687 03:12:16.720 --> 03:12:31.760 >> Something to think about with maybe with pavement or >> Okay. >> modesty. >> Suggesting maybe broaden this out. Is that what you're saying? >> Possibly. Maybe play around with it. >> Okay. Sure. >> No huge change there. >> I would also just really quickly add I'm really hung up on those low walls. I 688 03:12:31.760 --> 03:12:47.600 just it feels like such an impediment toward the various directions of movement that naturally happen. >> Walls. >> Yeah. I I like the idea of the seating. if either those moved to the outside of the lawn um for seating or if they were 689 03:12:47.600 --> 03:13:04.640 maybe like round walls that surrounded a tree and gave shade. Something like that I think would provide a lot more to the public space. Personally, >> my other comment on that was that they're not the most accessible. The seating walls. >> Yeah. >> For for groups that include people in 690 03:13:04.640 --> 03:13:21.760 wheelchairs. >> Agreed. >> Okay. >> So, something to think about that. Yeah, sure. >> Okay, >> chairman, one more quick comment and not to belabor the point, but to belabor the point. Um, uh, Shauna, I asked Sha to 691 03:13:21.760 --> 03:13:40.239 pull up this image and, um, I just wanted to be as constructive as possible with these comments so that next meeting, um, you know, we're really making some progress. Um, and >> this is page this is exhibit this is exhibit D page 49. 692 03:13:40.239 --> 03:13:55.920 >> Okay, >> this is much better by the way. >> So this this image um again when we approved this uh redevelopment plan we weren't saying this is it but we were saying this is a really good firm starting point for the discussion. And I 693 03:13:55.920 --> 03:14:12.080 think this touches on the the idea of meaningful articulation one in that um rather than 12 to 24 in applied sort of facade elements there's actual um depth that uh is usable space creates 694 03:14:12.080 --> 03:14:28.479 balconies sort of differentiates the architecture. Uh, and it's very clearly layered in terms of, you know, three clear distinct layers in the facade that are kind of very rational and sensible. 695 03:14:28.479 --> 03:14:45.239 Um, and there's a certain rhythm rhythm to the articulation of the white boxes. Maybe they're dark, maybe they're something else. But I just wanted to pull this up because I think it illustrates that quite well. 696 03:14:45.760 --> 03:15:04.239 Mr. Johnson, do you hate red brick? Just wondering. >> I have to respond. I love red brick. >> Okay, good. Use more of it. It can't be more expensive than Hardy Plank. If I told you how much it cost to side 697 03:15:04.239 --> 03:15:21.439 my house, it would blow your mind. >> Was a lot. Shit's expensive. >> So why'd you try to burn it? brought a little piece of >> ladies and gentlemen, thank you all for coming. I really do appreciate when the public comes come to the next meeting 698 03:15:21.439 --> 03:15:37.279 which is probably going to be September 9th we have open. Do you guys have Is that good for you? I mean, we'll make it work if we can't do something before August is is out. >> August is out. 699 03:15:37.279 --> 03:15:52.960 >> So September 9th carried without further notice. Yeah. >> Yeah, I'll get to that. Yeah. Okay. So ladies and gentlemen, we're going to carry this application to September 9th with no further notice. You won't read a public notice hung outside. It will not be in the newspaper. I'm sure Brian from 700 03:15:52.960 --> 03:16:09.359 Red Rank Green will write about it at length, but um September 9th with no further notice. We have a couple administrative matters. Anyone is welcome to stay for them if you want. >> Thank you all for your time. This was >> Thank you. >> very productive. >> We have the regular meeting minutes of 701 03:16:09.359 --> 03:16:26.080 June 10th, 2026. Does anyone have any additions, subtractions, or comments from the board that they would like to add? We have a second. All in favor? Very good. 702 03:16:26.080 --> 03:16:46.160 Couple of minutes left. >> And we have the resolution for 15 Leonard Street, Block 72301. >> I make a motion to approve. There >> second. All in favor of the resolution. That's it. Motion to adjourn. 703 03:16:46.160 --> 03:17:05.000 >> Second. >> Went to the next meeting. >> Um nine. >> Yeah. July 22nd. >> July 22nd. Back here. Thank you everyone. >> We'll talk. All right. 704 03:17:05.760 --> 03:17:09.120 Feeling more good at it.